00:00:00 ◼ ► You've been away for a bit. I've been away and Peter and I spent the whole time talking
00:00:04 ◼ ► just about the media event. And Guillermo Rambo at 9to5Mac uncovered 67 things that are going to
00:00:35 ◼ ► I don't even have those notes. I actually do have a note, but it has no news in it. It has a bit of
00:04:03 ◼ ► how thoroughly they clean it mm-hmm so I don't know but there it is you can do it doesn't
00:04:09 ◼ ► really you know and I don't play on you once I got the new ones too well actually I didn't
00:04:55 ◼ ► In my experience so far they work a lot better and I thought the old ones work really well
00:05:17 ◼ ► When you first put them in your ear when you hear that that tone that says hey, I got you, you know, I'm in your ear
00:05:29 ◼ ► Yeah, I used to have to Easter I had developed this tick where I would open the case and wait a three-count
00:05:42 ◼ ► Well, I gave because occasionally I would open the case put one in quickly put the second one in the second one would
00:05:51 ◼ ► Right. And so the way I worked around that was open the case 123, put the first one in and then
00:06:03 ◼ ► untrain myself from that, which I'm having more difficulty than I expected because I don't need
00:06:15 ◼ ► exactly as promised. Just say it. Yeah. And it happens and she answers. The first time I did it,
00:06:21 ◼ ► I was shocked because there's no tone. There's no tone. Right. It doesn't, it doesn't, you know,
00:06:26 ◼ ► it doesn't give you that tone that it does on the phone. And I, it just did what I wanted. And I was
00:06:35 ◼ ► like, wow, wow. Was that an accident? Did I miss something? Did, is it, is that the way it's
00:06:40 ◼ ► supposed to work? And that is the way it's supposed to work. The only thing I still have,
00:06:44 ◼ ► I'm still very uncomfortable saying, you know, talking to it in public. Yeah, me too. So like,
00:06:50 ◼ ► I go out for a walk or a run or something like that. And I always look around to make sure
00:06:54 ◼ ► there's nobody around me before I tell it to do something. Right. Like, so, um, I do like an
00:07:02 ◼ ► idiot that I am. I often do a lot of grocery shopping, just like three items at a time,
00:07:06 ◼ ► you know, cause it occurs to me that I would, I would like a ham sandwich and I will just go to,
00:07:11 ◼ ► a nice little market we have a few blocks away where it's good Italian bread and good lunch meat
00:07:16 ◼ ► and pick up like two, three things, you know, listening to podcasts. And then I always take
00:07:21 ◼ ► my AirPods out. I've said this before. I think most people, I think people should consider this.
00:07:25 ◼ ► I like to take them out or at least take one out at the register so that the, you know, don't just
00:07:32 ◼ ► stop your audio, take it out to let them know, hey, I'm not listening. I'm not so inconsiderate
00:07:38 ◼ ► it that I'm listening to music or a podcast while I should be having a little retail exchange here.
00:07:43 ◼ ► But that means every time I leave the store, I've got to put it back in. And I often will want to
00:07:49 ◼ ► give a direction to the dingus, you know, for what I want, what I want to be listening to. And that
00:07:54 ◼ ► like store entrance is always busy. And I can't bring myself to do it like, and every single time
00:08:10 ◼ ► I don't know. I don't. I see tons of people wearing them, you know, more and more every
00:08:15 ◼ ► day. It is clearly one of not just a good product that I like, but also a very successful
00:08:22 ◼ ► product. Like it's gotten to the point, Amy, we were, we were out to dinner with friends
00:08:25 ◼ ► last night and Amy even said at one point at this point, sometimes she sees people with
00:08:43 ◼ ► winter now, I realized that for years, I really stopped listening or largely stopped listening
00:08:47 ◼ ► to podcasts while running errands in the winter because it was such a pain threading a cable.
00:08:58 ◼ ► headphones was terrible. Now it's not a problem. But the latency thing is super, super impressive
00:09:10 ◼ ► had the lowest latency of any wireless headphones I'd ever tried, and I'd tried a few. But
00:09:21 ◼ ► Switching devices is also a lot more reliable. Like, if you had them paired with your phone
00:09:26 ◼ ► and now you want to switch to your iPad, that doesn't seem to—sometimes that would just
00:09:34 ◼ ► Right, right. The only problem I can still have problems, the only device I still have problems
00:09:39 ◼ ► with is the Mac. I find that it'll work if I've recently logged out of the account and back in
00:09:46 ◼ ► again or rebooted. And then I'm not sure what, there's probably some audio thing that I'm doing
00:09:53 ◼ ► that it doesn't like, and then it won't see the AirPods again after that, whatever it is.
00:10:30 ◼ ► Tooth Fairy. So I guess I got to start putting these things in the show notes. So Tooth Fairy
00:10:35 ◼ ► is a menu bar utility from Michael Tsai that I think it makes it better switching it to your Mac,
00:10:42 ◼ ► but I don't think it's great. I think AirBuddy from Guillermo Rambo is much, it's much better.
00:10:48 ◼ ► Have you ever tried it? No, I have not. So when I first read the description, I didn't think it was
00:10:59 ◼ ► So AirBuddy works, makes it work. It really, I hate to say it, I mean, but it really works
00:11:08 ◼ ► near your Mac and it shows up in a nice little animated window like the little slidey panel
00:11:19 ◼ ► button that says connect and then you can connect and then connect. And then that makes
00:11:32 ◼ ► switch to my iPad. Why can't I just open the case near the iPad and hit a connect button?
00:11:39 ◼ ► Why do I have to go to settings and Bluetooth and stuff like that? It seems like it could
00:11:49 ◼ ► to switch between devices. And shouldn't I maybe be able to tell my Siri dingus? Shouldn't
00:12:06 ◼ ► got one iPad, then it should do it. That would be really cool. It seems like something that
00:12:20 ◼ ► So it doesn't work with AirPods too? Well, I think he did. He's not saying that, but he just
00:12:26 ◼ ► hasn't tested it out yet. Yeah. And there is a preference in the window. It says enable for other
00:12:31 ◼ ► W1 headsets. And AirPods are not a W1 headset anymore. They're the H1. So maybe he's doing
00:12:40 ◼ ► something at such a low level because he's so devilishly clever that it doesn't work. I actually
00:12:46 ◼ ► haven't noticed. I don't really use my AirPods with my Mac very often, so that's one reason why
00:12:57 ◼ ► **Matt Stauffer** It's definitely the device I use it with the least. So that's why I still
00:13:01 ◼ ► enjoy the experience so much, but it does every once in a while I do want to use it and it
00:13:06 ◼ ► often stumbles. Yeah, I use it for, of course, for watching baseball games on the iPad.
00:13:13 ◼ ► You're Seattle Mariners. Wow. What an opening to the season they had. You don't care. It's
00:13:19 ◼ ► pretty good. I do know I care, but I've been hurt too many times. So they opened the season with
00:13:25 ◼ ► 20 straight games where they hit a home run in every game, which is, I think, broke the
00:13:30 ◼ ► major league record. You would think the Yankees would have that record, but now the Mariners do.
00:13:35 ◼ ► Yeah, I have a lot of stupid ideas about sports teams that are that are based on just the the
00:13:42 ◼ ► branding and attitude of the teams from when I was a child. Like, like I feel that the Miami
00:13:49 ◼ ► Dolphins should always be a team that has a good passing game. But that's just because they had
00:13:54 ◼ ► Dan Marino when I was a kid and but that's just what I think. Right. Right. The Dallas Cowboys
00:13:59 ◼ ► should always have a superstar running back. That's just I just feel like that's the way it
00:14:04 ◼ ► should be. The Seattle Mariners to me should always be a team full of like 300-pound sluggers
00:14:11 ◼ ► who can hit the ball 500 feet. Like they may or may not be good. They're probably not going to win
00:14:17 ◼ ► the World Series, but they are going to hit the hell out of the baseball. That's just to me that
00:14:23 ◼ ► Mariners should always be a very hard slugging baseball team. Yeah. Well, and they have a park
00:14:28 ◼ ► for it too. Right. So, right. I do think it's whatever the hell it's called this year. T-Mobile
00:14:34 ◼ ► Park. Yeah. God. That's the worst. That role is trippingly off the tongue. Oh my God. Did you,
00:14:41 ◼ ► I mean, I wasn't, I wasn't a huge fan of Safeco Field to begin with either, but we got used to
00:14:45 ◼ ► that and now I got to get used to something else. See, that's the thing about super annoying.
00:14:48 ◼ ► That's the thing about selling these naming rights is bad enough, you know, when it just goes to some
00:14:53 ◼ ► crappy bank. But they switch it around and then you forget what they're called like our I don't
00:15:02 ◼ ► I think it's the wells Fargo center now. Yeah, that's our Philadelphia's like hockey and
00:15:07 ◼ ► basketball arena. But it's changed names at least three or four times since it opened. And it's
00:15:16 ◼ ► often not because it's like, because these banks merge, and then the bank who had the naming rights
00:15:22 ◼ ► doesn't even exist anymore. So they have to change it because they spend all their money
00:15:27 ◼ ► on advertising, right? It was and I kid you not. I think it was. I forget what it opened as.
00:15:40 ◼ ► called First Union and it was already called the whatever center and I guess they wanted to keep
00:15:45 ◼ ► the center name so that I swear for at least five or six years it was the first union center. If you
00:16:10 ◼ ► it's you know, and fine because it's now something else. But then you have to use that now I
00:16:14 ◼ ► guess they have to use the like the I haven't been up there since they changed the name,
00:16:22 ◼ ► it doesn't really go well with the, it doesn't go well with anything, particularly in baseball, but
00:16:56 ◼ ► you know, and it's a good number. It's the biggest number you got and you just sit there
00:17:00 ◼ ► at a table and you're looking at guarantee. You're looking at drawings of the sign guaranteed rate
00:17:05 ◼ ► Field. You're imagining the announcers welcoming you to guarantee Great Field 81 dollars a year.
00:17:12 ◼ ► The one thing that we have that is that I absolutely adore and get just like a ridiculous
00:17:17 ◼ ► thrill out of every single time I go by formerly Safeco Field is there's a name renamed a street
00:17:24 ◼ ► Egger Martinez Drive. That's good. And I that is I think that's delightful. Yeah and then see
00:17:33 ◼ ► And that should always be you know at least for a long long time will be Edgar Martinez Drive
00:18:00 ◼ ► Confusing no not at all. So anyway, I'm glad you have the new air pods. I'm glad you like them
00:18:19 ◼ ► I did not because I'm still I still do not have a wirelessly charging phone. So I'm still using an SE
00:18:33 ◼ ► See what happens because I'm not gonna run out and buy a wireless charging pad just for like my earphones
00:18:39 ◼ ► Amy asked me what to buy and I told her to get the wireless one just because it seemed to me like for 30 bucks
00:18:49 ◼ ► Even though she doesn't have she has a phone that could use a wireless charging pad, but doesn't have one set up anywhere
00:19:00 ◼ ► Yeah, I got I got Karen a wireless charging pin. She absolutely loves it. I had she probably would like it
00:19:06 ◼ ► So I probably should just buy her one. Yeah, I'm just a very cheap now - yeah, they really are
00:19:11 ◼ ► Well, but now it's like that was part of the thing with airpower. The dream was that you would know which one to buy
00:19:18 ◼ ► Right. Mm-hmm. Although it probably wasn't going to be cheap. It was certainly not going to be cheap
00:19:23 ◼ ► But at least I do particularly when it burned your house down. The idea of it though, it was
00:19:32 ◼ ► so appealing. And in hindsight, now that they've officially canceled it, and it's no longer like
00:19:37 ◼ ► it years for you. For five years, it was, it was a dream. I don't know, it seems like it was a long
00:19:47 ◼ ► time ago. But in hindsight, though, especially now that I have this, not just the watch,
00:19:58 ◼ ► charges that way. And I had a, I have my watch charger over on a dresser apart from my bed
00:20:03 ◼ ► and then I've got a thing there from my phone right next to my bed. And now that I've got
00:20:09 ◼ ► this third thing that can charge that way, it seems like it would be so perfect to just
00:20:19 ◼ ► that would be great. Long story short, I just don't, I haven't, other than to try it and
00:20:33 ◼ ► that by the time I want to listen to something, even if it's 10 minutes later, it's good to
00:20:39 ◼ ► Yeah. She well she the one I gave her is the one that like an anchor that stands up and
00:20:47 ◼ ► and so she has it next to her desk and that is for her. It's awesome because she's working.
00:20:55 ◼ ► She can just tap on it. It'll open up. I looking at her face and then she can do whatever she
00:21:00 ◼ ► wants to do right. I have that one on my desk too or maybe I don't know if it's the same
00:21:16 ◼ ► your face and you can use it and you can look at the screen and poke at it," but I never
00:21:52 ◼ ► Well, I just posted right before we started out, you probably didn't read it because I posted
00:21:58 ◼ ► like that's why I postponed our show is I posted a piece on the Galaxy Fold and yeah and I mentioned
00:22:05 ◼ ► the air power you know to compare and contrast the companies we'll get to that okay but uh
00:22:10 ◼ ► I actually posted I used the headline I want to know what you think I should have checked with
00:22:15 ◼ ► you beforehand I actually I used the headline this is my headline know when to fold them yeah
00:22:20 ◼ ► was it worth it for the pun or is that all yeah why not all right I might be the first to make
00:22:27 ◼ ► that fun. I'll say that but it's a it's a it's a solid pun. It's so obvious though, right? That's
00:22:32 ◼ ► the problem. I might be asking the wrong person. All right, let me take a break here. And thank
00:22:39 ◼ ► our first sponsor, new sponsor. Very excited about this. I love new sponsors. Express VPN.
00:22:46 ◼ ► Look, VPNs can protect you from cyber crime. You can get hacked. It's all sorts of bad stuff that
00:22:54 ◼ ► that can happen on an open network. But there's other things too. In addition to security,
00:23:08 ◼ ► and stuff like that. VPN totally protects you from that. So it's not just crime hacking,
00:23:13 ◼ ► that sort of thing, but just plain old fashioned privacy. A VPN can protect you. Express VPN
00:23:21 ◼ ► and anonymizes your internet browsing by encrypting your data and hiding your public IP address.
00:23:26 ◼ ► That's a big thing. You go to a website, they know your public IP address. It gives up a lot
00:23:46 ◼ ► turning on Express VPN protection only takes one click or tap using it, you can safely surf
00:23:54 ◼ ► on public Wi Fi without being snooped on or having your personal data stolen. It protects you when
00:23:59 ◼ ► you're do something like go to a coffee shop and you're on a public Wi Fi and you know, you get
00:24:03 ◼ ► like that warning or the question mark that says like, Hey, this thing isn't this this Wi Fi network
00:24:07 ◼ ► isn't even secure. You have Express VPN, you are protected. It's less than $7 a month, and you could
00:24:25 ◼ ► can get three months free at Express VPN.com/t t s. That's Express VPN.com/t t s. TTS for
00:24:39 ◼ ► the talk show. You get three months free with a one year package. If you follow that URL.
00:24:44 ◼ ► thanks to express VPN. What else? What else have I missed? Well, did you get yourself a Galaxy phone?
00:24:52 ◼ ► No, I did not. I'm surprisingly not on the on the list of reviewers for the for Galaxy devices. I
00:25:00 ◼ ► could probably get it, you know, you probably could. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I could not now,
00:25:03 ◼ ► but no, no, not now. Friend of the show and and off times guest just Joanna Stern wrote a,
00:25:12 ◼ ► a non review of the Galaxy Fold, just more or less excoriating Samsung for having given reviewers
00:25:20 ◼ ► something that was so clearly unfinished product, just absolutely scathing. It's hard to overstate.
00:25:29 ◼ ► Like I, at some level, I'd like what I tried to write about today is at some level, the whole
00:25:33 ◼ ► thing feels like a joke like haha Samsung, you know, they tried to sell a $2,000 phone that folds
00:25:39 ◼ ► and when you fold it, it breaks after a day or two. At some level, it is kind of funny,
00:25:44 ◼ ► but there is something profoundly wrong happened with that device or in the company with that
00:25:52 ◼ ► device. How did that get out the door? Yeah, well, it seemed like they thought that they
00:26:07 ◼ ► which I think makes it worse because it's the up and comer right Huawei is sort of the one of the
00:26:14 ◼ ► you know maybe one of the companies that really is putting Samsung in a bad place in China you know
00:26:19 ◼ ► well not maybe there's no maybe about it let me take that back definitely are yeah right
00:26:23 ◼ ► and so they're they're shipping one that means we have to have one too right we have to be first
00:26:29 ◼ ► yeah you know and I guess I understand the goal of wanting to be first and I totally get like I've
00:27:05 ◼ ► There's a part of me that really is annoyed that that Samsung the company that spent an awful lot of time making fun of
00:27:40 ◼ ► Might seem like a statement of the obvious given what I do what I write about what I talk about
00:27:48 ◼ ► aesthetic and there always has been and it's not even like it's the same aesthetic right like the the
00:28:04 ◼ ► Original iMac right totally different in every way, you know use of curves use of rectangles the plastics
00:28:18 ◼ ► But it I just mean though that it's a company that at a very deep cultural level wants to ship beautiful objects
00:28:23 ◼ ► Right, you know and and there's that offed offed off quoted Steve Jobs line that design so most people think design is
00:28:49 ◼ ► right? There's, it's it. What he really should have said is it's not just what it looks like.
00:30:27 ◼ ► that that's fine. That's fine for Samsung and that there are other people with consumers
00:30:40 ◼ ► and let's say it in theory it is very useful idea. It's an interesting idea to have a big
00:30:47 ◼ ► screen that can be folded into a smaller screen for pocket ability. You know it in theory
00:32:17 ◼ ► ships its other flagship phones with a thing that looks like this that you peel and then he cut to like
00:32:23 ◼ ► His review of like the last thing where he you know was unboxing it and peeling off the thing
00:32:40 ◼ ► Part of the process there where that should have gone up the chain of hey, we might not be ready
00:32:44 ◼ ► this might not be ready. This now might be a good idea. It, it, there must have been people,
00:32:52 ◼ ► engineers, and quality control, there must have been people inside Samsung who knew that this
00:32:59 ◼ ► was going to happen, that these things weren't going to work. And yet the company was full steam
00:33:05 ◼ ► ahead, giving out review units. They had press events that they cancelled yesterday, because
00:33:12 ◼ ► because they were, I guess, in Korea where they were going to have, you know, briefings
00:33:15 ◼ ► and they would until yesterday, they were planning to start selling these things Friday,
00:33:32 ◼ ► hands, how many of them were going to fail, maybe the reviewers just had it was just bad
00:33:36 ◼ ► luck that so many of them failed. But clearly, though, you're like, if you have enough of
00:33:41 ◼ ► them that fail after a day. I mean, you know, some phones, you can't test something for a year,
00:33:50 ◼ ► right? You can't test it necessarily for that amount of time before deciding whether or not
00:33:55 ◼ ► you can ship it. So you don't know if there's some sort of defect that's going to crop up in a year
00:34:06 ◼ ► Right? Like how could they not? How could they not have been using it themselves in some number of
00:34:12 ◼ ► them inside the company, even if it doesn't leave, you know, like, you don't leave campus with it,
00:34:21 ◼ ► a pre production galaxy fold. It had to have somebody had to have known. And there is I really
00:34:29 ◼ ► do mean this. I don't think there's any other way around it. Like, in theory, it could have been a
00:34:36 ◼ ► bad batch that was sent out to reviewers. But if that were the case, and Samsung were confident
00:34:41 ◼ ► that it was just a fluke that this batch that we sent over, all these reviewers got them from the
00:34:47 ◼ ► same batch. If they looked at the numbers and thought, "Hey, that batch was bad," they would
00:34:52 ◼ ► have sent the reviewers ones from a different production batch. I mean, it happens that you
00:35:03 ◼ ► Yeah, there was a there was an early problem with the watch, right? I yeah, I had a tactic. It was
00:35:08 ◼ ► a taptic engine. Yeah, I had a I had a watch review unit that the taptic engine failed after a day.
00:35:14 ◼ ► And Apple provided me, you know, the same day with a replacement and the replacement didn't fail.
00:35:23 ◼ ► And yeah, you know, I mentioned it in my review. They had they were having problems with one
00:35:28 ◼ ► supplier and they cut the supplier and that was one of the reasons why yeah, it was harder harder
00:35:50 ◼ ► it at all. But they were all very, very keen. I think they were just as keen to get me a
00:36:23 ◼ ► one that me personally experienced where I had the first generation Apple Watch, my review
00:36:28 ◼ ► unit, the Taptic Engine literally broke after a day. And it was sort of, it faded away,
00:36:34 ◼ ► right? Like, it was like, at first it didn't seem right. It just seemed like, Hmm, I could
00:36:44 ◼ ► then it seemed to get worse. And then it was like, this is definitely getting worse. And
00:36:48 ◼ ► I got in contact with them before it actually broke. And I was like, I really don't think I'm
00:36:55 ◼ ► nuts. I think that the taptic engine is failing on this unit. And then they were like, "Well,
00:37:00 ◼ ► we'll send a guy down from New York. Will you be home in an hour?" And I was like, "I don't think
00:37:05 ◼ ► you can get here in an hour." Damn if they didn't get here in an hour somehow. It's like a 90-minute
00:37:13 ◼ ► helicopter. Yeah. But in between then in between saying like, I really think I need a different
00:37:19 ◼ ► unit. And when they got here, it was completely dead. And, and, yeah, that happens. I don't this
00:37:27 ◼ ► is obviously not that type of situation. You know, it. This is a device that clearly never,
00:37:32 ◼ ► never should have been launched. I thought it was I said it and I think that it seems so
00:37:48 ◼ ► here per firsthand. A week ago, when the news broke that Notre Dame Cathedral was on fire and my
00:37:56 ◼ ► catastrophic fire, I thought, well, that can't happen. Right? No, yeah. I mean, that's why we
00:38:04 ◼ ► all that's why TV is it. TV is such an extraordinary thing, because then you turn on the
00:38:09 ◼ ► TV and you see that it is and it really helps whereas if I had only heard that I would have
00:38:17 ◼ ► corner of the attic or something you know you you it doesn't have an attic it did no it did have an
00:38:25 ◼ ► attic and that's actually where the fire started I guess no not anymore it's no longer as an attic
00:38:45 ◼ ► And apparently that's not wasn't unique that there's a lot of old cathedrals that are fire traps
00:39:00 ◼ ► the fire standards weren't quite up to snuff then and they were the church was long resistant to putting
00:39:34 ◼ ► flat out. If it wasn't a cathedral, it would have been condemned, you know, decades ago.
00:39:39 ◼ ► Condemned should tear it down, right? If it was any other type of building, it would have been
00:39:46 ◼ ► condemned. Yeah. Anyway, but I think then when then when those reviews broke last week, when it
00:39:54 ◼ ► wasn't even reviews of people, it was so early on in the process that it was tweets because nobody,
00:39:58 ◼ ► you know, everybody had only had it for a day or two. And, and Gherman's broke. And Gherman's the
00:40:04 ◼ ► one who at least was the first I saw who kind of explained to the whole screen protector thing.
00:40:09 ◼ ► He showed that picture. I loved it. The picture he showed he's like, this is the thing they said I
00:40:16 ◼ ► wasn't supposed to take off. It just looked like a piece of garbage. It didn't look like he took
00:40:40 ◼ ► She put a dog in it. Why not? I guess you know. Yeah, you might as well use it for something.
00:40:47 ◼ ► Yeah. No, I think that some people saw those tweets and it was obviously the, you know,
00:40:53 ◼ ► the little hubbub of the day because it seemed extraordinary. You know, any one of them, it would
00:40:57 ◼ ► have been interesting. Like, hey, here's the guy who got a bum review unit of this foldable phone,
00:41:02 ◼ ► but it was a bunch of them. I wrote and I wasn't being hyperbolic. I was like, this thing is not
00:41:10 ◼ ► going to ship. And I think that some people took that as me sort of exaggerating, like I said,
00:41:16 ◼ ► being hyperbolic, but I meant it. I just think it was it's so hard to fathom that a company of
00:41:21 ◼ ► Samsung size and it would would ship a high profile device that never should have shipped.
00:41:31 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it seems like this technology will be there someday, but it's,
00:41:38 ◼ ► well, guys, we'll see what the what the Huawei one is like. But it seemed that one seemed a little
00:41:44 ◼ ► bit better looking. It definitely seemed better looking. I, in theory, I like the idea of one that
00:41:51 ◼ ► folds outwards so that there's part of what I find distasteful about the greatly distasteful
00:41:58 ◼ ► about the design of the galaxy fold is that there's the main screen inside that you open it
00:42:05 ◼ ► up and you've got this sort of squarish screen. But then when you fold it, because it folds inside,
00:42:14 ◼ ► crappier screen bad specs, yeah, it huge, huge puzzles, like the biggest vessels on any
00:42:38 ◼ ► But on the other hand, design wise, it seems very dangerous to have the screen on the outside of
00:42:49 ◼ ► both sides. And therefore, you can't put it in a case. I'm not really a case person. I've started
00:42:56 ◼ ► taking cases with me when I travel and we go on vacation. And when I'm using my phone more as a
00:43:01 ◼ ► camera than a phone, because it's like, I actually really enjoy having a case that gives it a bit
00:43:08 ◼ ► more grip. Yeah, yeah, it seems like it often when you're holding it in the camera style,
00:43:13 ◼ ► you're holding it on the edges with your fingertips. Yeah. And then you have to push the
00:43:17 ◼ ► screen or I mean, you can hit the button, but you can usually push the screen in order. And I'm
00:43:22 ◼ ► always afraid I'm gonna pop it out of my hand. Yeah, I like that. I like it using a case for
00:43:27 ◼ ► that. But you know, without going on a whole tangent about why everybody puts their phones
00:43:30 ◼ ► and screens, everybody puts their phones and screens effectively, you know, for some reasonable
00:43:35 ◼ ► value of something close to everybody. Everybody puts their phones, whether they're Android
00:43:47 ◼ ► I get the novelty of it and why people would look at it. And if it works, if it actually
00:43:52 ◼ ► works and doesn't break, people would say, wow, that's cool. But I feel like at a fundamental
00:43:57 ◼ ► level I don't know that that'll ever be popular. So I kind of get why Samsung put the fold
00:44:03 ◼ ► can't i mean you really can't put that phone the huawei one in a case at all right because
00:44:06 ◼ ► i don't see how i don't see how you covering up the screen and then when you go to unfold it to
00:44:14 ◼ ► with some sort of cover to get it off right you could use it yeah and however bad the crease is
00:44:31 ◼ ► And I mean, you can't use it with a case. So I don't see how I'm not sure how practical that is
00:44:36 ◼ ► in the real world. The whole thing just both even both even admitting that the wall one does look
00:44:42 ◼ ► better. It doesn't seem practical and doesn't seem like something real people would actually
00:44:47 ◼ ► buy in large numbers. It all just seems like, hey, we've got these screens that can fold in a cool
00:44:53 ◼ ► way. Here's the like, let's use them. Let's really let's make a phone that you can fold. Let's make a
00:44:59 ◼ ► a screen you can fold in half. Again, sounds cool, but does it make for a good product?
00:45:06 ◼ ► I think the answer is probably not. But I still think the meta story of how in the world
00:45:26 ◼ ► that they did nobody use they built this and nobody used it. Or I think more likely that
00:45:41 ◼ ► shouldn't be built or shipped from engineering and quality control. And maybe at the production
00:45:49 ◼ ► level like maybe their pre production prototypes didn't fail this way. But then once they went
00:46:00 ◼ ► sure that's what happened with airpower. By the way, you remember the stories there were
00:46:05 ◼ ► a couple of stories in January that the airpower had entered production. And then we all thought,
00:46:11 ◼ ► hey, we're going to get these things right that they've entered production. I don't have
00:46:15 ◼ ► any sources who confirm this. I've heard talked to several people who worked on airpower early
00:46:21 ◼ ► on not recently, but I actually think it probably did enter production. Like I think the long
00:46:33 ◼ ► I think that those reports, by the way, there are other reports that there was a company
00:48:40 ◼ ► day. You know, they made a they made a optimistic a wishful thinking era by announcing it before
00:48:52 ◼ ► left to solve, but they figured out what raffle will figure it out. Yeah. And never actually
00:49:06 ◼ ► this wasn't going to work. And yet, either they passed it up the chain and it was ignored
00:49:13 ◼ ► by executives at a high enough level to make the decision that we, nah, we still want to
00:49:19 ◼ ► be first. Or maybe their culture is such that people were afraid to pass it up the chain.
00:49:25 ◼ ► You know, you know, the chairman of Samsung was the one who unveiled it, you know, maybe
00:49:29 ◼ ► nobody wants to tell him, you know, you stood up and, and unveiled a phone that we shouldn't
00:49:35 ◼ ► It seems like a company like an organization. I don't know. I mean, I that's possible, I guess,
00:49:57 ◼ ► Maybe they just scramble around so much in the background to make it work that it does,
00:50:04 ◼ ► It is the company that shipped the Note 7 which exploded and had to be recalled in a multi-billion
00:50:11 ◼ ► dollar recall. I mean, you know, an exploding phone is obviously a far bigger problem than a
00:50:17 ◼ ► phone that just doesn't work. And shipped to lots of customers. Oh yeah, it was huge. It was, you
00:50:24 ◼ ► know, it was tons of them. And they kind of, I was just reading about it to refresh my memory. They
00:50:32 ◼ ► They kind of bungled it to where they were late to really just give throw in the towel and just recall them all they were saying
00:50:43 ◼ ► You know right big range send it back to us and we'll put a good battery in and then they figured out the good batteries
00:51:00 ◼ ► I would I I wouldn't want I wouldn't I wouldn't want could you imagine being like an engineer at Apple at the level of
00:51:12 ◼ ► You're designing the connection between the lithium-ion battery and the rest of the phone and if you really screw up
00:51:18 ◼ ► iPhones might catch on fire if I'm designing that connection. There's already something wrong with you. Yeah
00:53:02 ◼ ► organization you're involved with, some kind of local organization, something like that.
00:53:07 ◼ ► Having your own website is so important and I really think it may be in the last 10 years
00:53:12 ◼ ► a lot of people shifted all of their online stuff to social media like Facebook and Instagram
00:53:19 ◼ ► and stuff like that. And that stuff is still important. It hasn't gone away. But I think
00:53:22 ◼ ► everything we've seen with especially Facebook in particular having that be your only online
00:53:27 ◼ ► presence and being reliant on them. It's putting something very important outside your control.
00:53:32 ◼ ► You have a website at Squarespace. Everything's under your control from the design to the
00:53:37 ◼ ► update to how everything looks and you get great analytics and stats. It's just a great
00:53:48 ◼ ► great. I recommend it thoroughly. Next time you need a website or next time somebody who
00:53:53 ◼ ► knows you and knows that you're a nerd who knows how to make websites, asks you for help
00:53:57 ◼ ► with the website, send them to Squarespace. And when you do send them to squarespace.com/talk
00:54:03 ◼ ► show, squarespace.com/talk show. You get a free trial and then when you do sign up, just
00:54:09 ◼ ► remember that same code, squarespace.com/talk show and the code talk show. No, the just
00:54:15 ◼ ► talk show and you'll get 10% off your first purchase. My thanks to Squarespace for continuing
00:54:21 ◼ ► to support this podcast. All right, what about all these rumors? Man, I guess we got to get
00:54:26 ◼ ► to that. Holy smokes. And talk about another one where I think the meta story behind it
00:56:47 ◼ ► Again, I knew this was going to happen by the way just as an aside when they switched to
00:56:52 ◼ ► Naming the Mac OS versions. I knew that I would soon start forgetting which ones which right?
00:57:19 ◼ ► And cheetah was a real lie because cheetah is of course the fastest animal on the planet and it was Mac OS 10 was
00:57:28 ◼ ► Just I'm painfully painfully slow at the time. It was easier for me. It was easier. Remember the cats just because
00:57:47 ◼ ► This place in California. I can all you know numbers they go in order and then you can sit there
00:57:53 ◼ ► You can figure out and and once you know the numbers you can sort of count backwards on your hand and go back to the year
00:57:59 ◼ ► You know, you can you know do a little subtraction there and you can get a year like at this point
00:58:03 ◼ ► I'm there's like was there was I know the new one is Mojave and all my Macs are now on Mojave
00:58:09 ◼ ► So I know that name but like what was Sierra was there a Sierra and then there was a high Sierra Sierra and then high Sierra
00:58:32 ◼ ► I guess it's all come about there was Yosemite and then el cap is the mountain in Yosemite. And so they use that
00:58:52 ◼ ► The the breadth of the leaks that Garram Rambo has is extraordinary. I don't think I could be wrong
00:59:03 ◼ ► I don't think there are many people at Apple who know about all of the things that he leaked
00:59:11 ◼ ► it's there's a you know famously compartmentalized company that one of the ways that they keep things under wraps is that
00:59:18 ◼ ► Teams don't talk to other teams about what they're doing unless they're working together
00:59:23 ◼ ► You know if they need to talk about it, but you don't it's not like everybody who goes and works people might be you know
00:59:43 ◼ ► Big important stuff for the company that gets the attention at the very highest executive levels. They don't know
00:59:58 ◼ ► Like I really just don't think there are many people who have access to this the breadth of information that he published
01:00:06 ◼ ► Yeah. And these are, these are kind of all over the place. I mean, it's all software basically,
01:00:19 ◼ ► are people like that, the highest levels of Phil Schiller's group and Craig Fetter, his group,
01:00:25 ◼ ► right? I don't think like Craig, right. Hand, you know, top executive, you know, managers underneath
01:00:35 ◼ ► him are leaking these things to 9to5Mac. And I would guess that those people like Frank Federighi
01:01:05 ◼ ► which I guess I should talk about, is my live show at WWDC. Are you coming, by the way? I might need
01:01:10 ◼ ► you. Well, you let me know if you need me. That will determine whether or not I'm coming.
01:01:16 ◼ ► It was two years ago, all right, Federighi and Phil Schiller were on together, and I asked
01:01:23 ◼ ► something about the leaks and that this really bothers you guys and Phil really got emotional
01:01:30 ◼ ► and he's very cool in that show. He's very laid back, but when he starts talking about leaks,
01:01:37 ◼ ► he can't help himself. He gets very angry and I really think he means it. I really think he
01:01:43 ◼ ► means it that one of the big reasons that he gets upset is that he thinks about all of the
01:01:48 ◼ ► individual teams who have been working sometimes for multiple years on something, kept it under
01:01:55 ◼ ► wraps, and we're looking forward to having the world learn about their work in just the right
01:02:01 ◼ ► way, the way that Apple wants to unveil it on stage in an event with the explanation of what it is,
01:02:09 ◼ ► why they're doing it, how it works, what it looks like done in the way that Apple thinks
01:02:16 ◼ ► gives the biggest pop and the most puts it in the most accurate light and then to have that spoiled
01:02:21 ◼ ► you know it just makes him angry because he you know he's he i i really believe that i really
01:02:27 ◼ ► believe that you know um i've seen it always happens it always happens when there's a big
01:02:35 ◼ ► leak thing like this where somebody i've seen it on twitter where there's people who think i think
01:02:40 ◼ ► Apple did this on purpose to get people excited about WWDC. There's no way all of this would
01:02:45 ◼ ► leak if they didn't want it to. And all I can say is, I mean, I can't disprove that, but no,
01:03:15 ◼ ► that they really, they put more work into the keynotes than I think a lot of people like
01:03:29 ◼ ► some people think that they do like, they are very, very interested in, and they think it's
01:03:34 ◼ ► it's important to announce things in a way that people understand them correctly. Whereas
01:03:47 ◼ ► part of what makes it curious is so Mark Gurman let's compare Rambo and and Gurman. Gurman
01:03:57 ◼ ► of information but he's not technical. He's not a programmer. He's you know just a reporter
01:04:03 ◼ ► who cultivates human sources. Like, Gurman, to my knowledge, has never done anything like
01:04:10 ◼ ► discover a URL that's public that shouldn't have been public, which is one of the things that Rambo
01:04:21 ◼ ► Trout and Smith got credit at the bottom of a couple of these 9to5Mac articles for helping
01:04:33 ◼ ► they're both extraordinarily clever and they're both really really talented at the to me black magic of
01:04:47 ◼ ► Download and I I wouldn't know what to do with I would compute. I have a computer science degree
01:04:55 ◼ ► I'm not an idiot, but I don't know how I would get in there and figure out that hey, there's a new drawing recognition
01:05:34 ◼ ► I don't really I don't know that I've ever been in contact with Rambo, but I know Stephen trout and Smith
01:05:46 ◼ ► More or less he just a couple of these popped and he just sent me a text message just to show
01:05:51 ◼ ► you know, send me the URL so I'd see it early and I'm not going to pry because he's not
01:05:56 ◼ ► they're not going to tell me anyway. I don't want to pry. Yeah. And I don't, I don't like asking
01:06:00 ◼ ► questions. I know that can't be answered. But I have admitted that I'm curious what the hell is
01:06:06 ◼ ► going on. Yeah. One of the other ideas that I, you know, was that maybe the source is like a build
01:06:21 ◼ ► like you take all of this various work and actually put it together into an iOS 13 beta
01:06:30 ◼ ► that can be installed on phones, right? When you really think about how big these operating
01:06:50 ◼ ► new APIs for AR and put them all into a single downloadable bundle that will properly install
01:07:01 ◼ ► itself on iPhones. Somebody who works in that area maybe would be the sort of person, like one person
01:07:09 ◼ ► might have access to an awful lot of information across the operating systems. I don't know.
01:07:15 ◼ ► Are there any of these things that they've revealed that you found particularly interesting?
01:08:24 ◼ ► But it's a floating rectangle that you can drag around the screen and stack them in an overlapping fashion and
01:08:38 ◼ ► Yeah, so like the video player the heads-up display is a window but most of what like like in Safari those tabs aren't windows
01:08:48 ◼ ► So I'm not quite sure and it doesn't seem clear from this leak whether they're windows like windows still seems wrong on the iPad
01:09:04 ◼ ► You know apps will be able to have multiple things open at once. So you'll be able to have I
01:09:10 ◼ ► Presume for example two emails open at once that you're writing like that's it is the thing
01:09:22 ◼ ► But there's an awful lot of times where I have two half-written emails open on my Mac more than two two, unfortunately
01:09:30 ◼ ► It's weird to me that something that some people can use like I'm not sure how people some people do it
01:09:47 ◼ ► But none of it seems as elegant to me is just having a couple of emails open at once. Yeah, right. Yeah
01:09:52 ◼ ► Anyway, it seems like some thinking along those lines has been which was rumored for last year and seemingly, you know, according to rumors
01:10:08 ◼ ► The marzipan stuff the one that I've forgotten about was there's also the the watch authentication
01:10:16 ◼ ► Yeah, what's different with that see I've lost I've forgotten half of these things. Well, it's just it's about using the watch
01:10:32 ◼ ► right right that that your Mac will be able to trust your watch for more things and you'll be able to use it for things that
01:10:41 ◼ ► Touch ID sensor and can use the touch ID sensor for you'll just be able to use your watch instead. Yeah
01:11:16 ◼ ► I have other watches I like to wear I wore a different watch yesterday and then I put my Apple watch on this morning and
01:11:26 ◼ ► And I should have taken a screenshot of it was like according to my watch my watch as far as my watch knows
01:11:34 ◼ ► I didn't move at all yesterday. I might have been dead. So because I didn't I didn't touch my watch
01:11:42 ◼ ► I mean, so you'd think that the watch would ask the phone if you move. I don't know. Yeah, it's I guess they're not talking to each
01:11:54 ◼ ► The other any other thing I can think of that you can do on the watch on your Mac now is Apple pay
01:12:10 ◼ ► You might be able to as an option say hey if you you know authenticate with Apple watch instead of having to enter a password
01:12:19 ◼ ► The marzipan stuff is obviously a big part of it. That was one of the first leaks they had where there's gonna be
01:12:26 ◼ ► And I think I do think they structured him. Well, like I think they started with the biggest story which was this
01:12:51 ◼ ► the books app with, that'll probably also be Mars Pan. And yeah, I guess we should definitely
01:13:00 ◼ ► talk about that. I feel like this, the long awaited breakup of iTunes needs to be talked
01:13:06 ◼ ► I thought the ATP guys I thought they had a really good segment on it that I won't repeat
01:13:19 ◼ ► We've we've all been frustrated for years that iTunes has gotten a bit cluttered and it takes on more stuff
01:13:24 ◼ ► You know and it used to be an app that it the funny thing that maybe the tragic part is it was beloved when it?
01:13:31 ◼ ► Right when iTunes came out man people loved it because everybody had just been managing their
01:13:37 ◼ ► Not everybody because I know there was sound jam which was actually the roots of iTunes and and panic had their audio on app
01:13:44 ◼ ► But you had to be like an indie Mac fan nerd to even heard of either of those apps at this point like normal people
01:14:00 ◼ ► Just pop a CD in your Mac and hit one button and it'll all be organized and they're all be named right, right like
01:14:26 ◼ ► Beatles songs with like a release date of 1999 because that was like the CD it was really
01:14:41 ◼ ► and and the the the eye of Sauron Steve Jobs himself obviously was passionate about this app and
01:14:55 ◼ ► meant to be the music playing app that Steve Jobs would not just use but want to use and
01:15:04 ◼ ► Screensavers, what did they call those the oh, yeah, they're still in there. Yeah, they're still in there. Everything's still in there
01:15:11 ◼ ► But it just seemed cool because then you if you were setting up your Mac to play music it wouldn't just look like a dumb
01:15:18 ◼ ► List of songs it you'd have as great visualizer doesn't that what they call it? Yes. Yes
01:15:24 ◼ ► Yeah, it makes your Mac look like a cool thing. Yeah, you're pumping music for your party or whatever, right?
01:15:58 ◼ ► Just small amounts of accumulation of technical debt that made sense every step of the way
01:16:17 ◼ ► It was like you just plug your iPod in and you get all your same playlists and all your music
01:16:28 ◼ ► And then when they made the iPhone they were like, well, we need some kind of data port
01:16:40 ◼ ► Once you have that it's like well then how are we gonna get software updates and stuff like that?
01:16:48 ◼ ► Well, we'll have why don't we just have iTunes treat the iPhone as like an iPod, you know
01:17:04 ◼ ► Like that was weird right like it in hindsight. It is very very strange that the if you
01:17:16 ◼ ► 2000 or 2001 whenever that was and then think about the fact that it eventually was filled up with dozens of mobile games. Yeah
01:17:27 ◼ ► I think we've got to the point where we don't do all that other man at the iPhone management stuff is not done
01:17:42 ◼ ► I bit the ball and bought more iCloud storage and we just use iCloud and it's a lot easier
01:18:02 ◼ ► Like it it comes in at about as fast as I could reasonably hope that it would over Wi-Fi
01:18:08 ◼ ► Yeah, and and it's gotten to me a lot. It's become more determinate like in the early years of it
01:18:17 ◼ ► Indeterminate like well wait, I don't have any photos yet, and I don't see anything spinning
01:18:27 ◼ ► 323 photos and it's like well, I've got a lot more than 323 photos. I've got thousands of phone
01:18:38 ◼ ► photos. And then eventually it would have a thousand photos. And then a day or two later
01:18:45 ◼ ► they'd all be there. But just show me a spinner and say you're working on it. You don't have
01:18:51 ◼ ► to update each number. You don't have to go 13,233, 13,234. Just show me that something's
01:19:02 ◼ ► to use it a lot because I get all these review phones and I just do them all over the iCloud
01:19:07 ◼ ► restore or set them up as new or something like that. Yeah, because the other thing too
01:19:13 ◼ ► is that the using iTunes for it was always a little confusing. Like that was one of those
01:19:23 ◼ ► if you didn't encrypt your backups, they didn't include pass an awful lot of important stuff,
01:19:35 ◼ ► have been encrypted from by default instead of unencrypted by default. Yeah, I think it
01:19:39 ◼ ► should have been. And I think that they didn't want to encrypt it by default because it was
01:19:46 ◼ ► passwords and then literally have to say to them there's nothing we can do. I guess that's
01:20:03 ◼ ► the interface was never quite clear. It was never clear that if you did encrypt it, you
01:20:10 ◼ ► would have a much better experience so long as you remembered it. It made it seem as though
01:20:16 ◼ ► it was just about like, hey, if you're spooked about having your backup unencrypted on your
01:20:20 ◼ ► hard drive because somebody might poke around in it, then encrypt it. I don't think they
01:20:25 ◼ ► made it clear at all that if you encrypt it, it'll also include a lot more of your stuff.
01:20:57 ◼ ► to on a regular basis. So that seems like a big improvement. It may not be exactly, you know,
01:21:05 ◼ ► I think we would probably think, I mean, who knows? It depends on how well the apps are ported over.
01:21:19 ◼ ► less painful but if it's like what was done you know with news and stocks and whatever it where
01:21:28 ◼ ► it's just like it slapped it's and now it's in a window and you can run it on the mac which i don't
01:21:34 ◼ ► think it will be but i guess the concern and the atp concern is hey everybody wanted itunes broken
01:21:40 ◼ ► up because it seemed like it was too much in one app and kind of got crufty um but in the be careful
01:21:48 ◼ ► what you wish for category of here you go, everything's broken up and then you get these
01:21:53 ◼ ► apps that might be too simplistic. Like there is if it's just the Mac music player is just the iPad
01:22:01 ◼ ► music player in a Mac window, you lose an awful lot of stuff that iTunes can do smart playlists
01:22:09 ◼ ► and complicated interfaces for making complicated smart playlists. And part of what we love about
01:22:18 ◼ ► Apple at its best is this, their ability to give you an app. The classic, you know, the old iTunes
01:22:28 ◼ ► in the early days is a perfect example where at a basic level it worked for everybody. You know,
01:22:33 ◼ ► anybody who really just wanted to play music on their computer had a pretty simple interface
01:22:36 ◼ ► that you could, you know, you could navigate by artist and by album. People could figure it out
01:22:47 ◼ ► smart playlists with ands and ors to exclude this and include that. They had an interface for it,
01:22:55 ◼ ► and you didn't have to write it in a programming language. You didn't have to do it by Apple
01:23:05 ◼ ► In other words, letting you use your computer as a computer, right? And I feel like at a very
01:23:13 ◼ ► flippant high-level description, part of what I think frustrates some of us about Apple
01:23:20 ◼ ► in recent years is not really letting you use your computers as computers anymore. Taking
01:23:44 ◼ ► I mean, it seems like what about letting you manage it is this new music app going to let
01:24:01 ◼ ► an idea that is for kids today who really have grown up in the streaming era and I kind
01:24:06 ◼ ► to get the beauty of the streaming thing where you don't you you're never gonna lose your
01:24:12 ◼ ► music you know it although I guess artists can leave your streaming service and you lose
01:24:17 ◼ ► access so but you don't have anything to worry about and it seems very simple right you know
01:24:24 ◼ ► and and with things like Netflix it doesn't even make any sense I mean I suppose there's
01:24:35 ◼ ► the back of a truck. Yeah, as they say, but for those people, for those people, there's
01:24:44 ◼ ► using iTunes for that kind of stuff are basically over a long time. I've been over for years.
01:25:01 ◼ ► it would be the date of something and I think there were some in iTunes that are even still
01:25:04 ◼ ► like that. Like if they remaster something, it's the date of the remaster instead of the date of
01:25:11 ◼ ► the original song. Which always besides the bonkers, like, okay, these Beatles songs are
01:25:16 ◼ ► not from the 90s. Here's one that will surprise absolutely no one who knows me. Long ago, like,
01:25:24 ◼ ► when I had a big pile of music all in iTunes, it eventually made me—I couldn't stand it anymore
01:25:33 ◼ ► that I had a whole bunch of songs where all of the apostrophes were stupid straight apostrophes.
01:25:45 ◼ ► the early iPods where they used the old classic Chicago bitmap typeface, the classic Mac one,
01:26:09 ◼ ► hand and type it. I wrote an AppleScript and I don't know if it took me less time to write
01:26:19 ◼ ► at least felt like I saved tons of time. Yeah. And it was extremely satisfying to me ever
01:26:43 ◼ ► feel like Apple should have gotten that right." But I could fix it, and it wasn't too hard.
01:26:58 ◼ ► Smith proved that it could be. So I won't say couldn't, but I think it's extraordinarily
01:27:17 ◼ ► And there's tons of iTunes, AppleScript out there. iTunes is a wonderfully AppleScriptable
01:27:29 ◼ ► you've ever wanted to do weird things with your iTunes, browsing his website and finding
01:27:45 ◼ ► kind of thing that might migrate over time or they just have to keep maintaining iTunes.
01:27:56 ◼ ► I mean, that's just a technique. I don't know. It seems like the music app will do whatever,
01:28:01 ◼ ► you know, we'll take whatever's in your cloud, right? Which is, that's a good question. Are
01:28:05 ◼ ► they going to be completely separate? Yeah. Because then you'd have, you'd have to have
01:28:11 ◼ ► which I don't think anybody wants to do. I mean, mine's like 23 megabytes or something.
01:28:23 ◼ ► a but I don't want to start again than that. I don't want to spend too much time bitching
01:28:32 ◼ ► even calling it Mars. A pan is the right thing to do because I believe I hope I'm not fooling
01:28:43 ◼ ► Marzipan we know today from the Mojave apps, news, stocks, voice recorder, and home, they
01:29:01 ◼ ► like iOS apps, especially like home just looks like an iOS app running in the simulator.
01:29:39 ◼ ► boy if these apps are like those apps that would be that would not be good in my opinion yeah it's
01:29:45 ◼ ► sort of like the classic the classic max stage before going to yeah but i guess that's one of
01:29:52 ◼ ► the other tidbits they revealed is that marzipan apps will be able to open more than one window
01:29:57 ◼ ► which again as a bullet point isn't really it's not really a a hey that's a cool new feature
01:30:08 ◼ ► for this year's marzipan, it's really just condemning the marzipan that they decided to ship
01:30:15 ◼ ► with Mojave a year ago, that they shipped it in a state where it still wasn't capable of opening
01:30:21 ◼ ► more than one window. Which to me, in the news app is one example, I think it's absolutely
01:30:28 ◼ ► preposterous that you're supposed to treat this as a news app and there's no way to open more than
01:30:32 ◼ ► one article at a time. If you have a long article and you want to finish reading it later but keep
01:30:37 ◼ ► reading some new stuff. It really seems pretty obvious to anybody who's ever used a Macintosh
01:30:43 ◼ ► that you should be able to double click a story and have it open. I mean, anyway, and voice
01:30:50 ◼ ► recorders is another one where it's it seems absolutely ridiculous that you can't have two
01:30:54 ◼ ► recordings open at a time on a Mac. It's ridiculous. So you know, that's a good sign. Like that's one
01:31:00 ◼ ► small bullet point that seems like a silly little thing. But I think it it's that bullet point
01:31:05 ◼ ► really is a hint that the true marzipan story is way deeper than what they revealed last year
01:31:13 ◼ ► they just had to reveal this little bit of it because they wanted a news app for mac because
01:31:19 ◼ ► they knew they were going to do this apple news plus thing and etc yeah yeah i i find i find still
01:31:28 ◼ ► find that app supremely frustrating i still and i and it drives me crazy because people will send
01:31:52 ◼ ► on your Mac, and it's in your services menu, and it'll take any Apple news URL and just
01:31:58 ◼ ► you select it in any app and run the service, and it turns it into the original URL for
01:32:32 ◼ ► link and it opened in news and like the story that I wanted to read that I've been sort of saving it
01:32:36 ◼ ► open that I wanted to read was just gone like and I couldn't go back to it. It was when I click back,
01:32:41 ◼ ► it would take me to the homepage. So yeah, this is not helpful. Yeah. And I get it, you know,
01:32:49 ◼ ► and just, yeah, I am going to beat the Mars a little bit like, but for example, I, and like,
01:32:54 ◼ ► I just think that the voice memos app is just atrocious. It's just a really bad Mac app,
01:32:58 ◼ ► app, but then people will say, "Well, it's better than nothing because I have voice recordings
01:33:09 ◼ ► through iCloud and at least have my recordings on my Mac. It's better than nothing." And
01:33:15 ◼ ► I will concede that it is better than nothing, but better than nothing as a company's slogan
01:33:22 ◼ ► is a lot different than insanely great. It used to be that we celebrated Apple for making
01:33:38 ◼ ► But there have been lots of transitional moments. I mean, like I was talking about, like the
01:33:42 ◼ ► classic, you know, when you had to get the classic interface when we were going from, you know,
01:33:53 ◼ ► Like what you're saying when you'd you'd have to open up a classic app because there was no native. Yeah carbon
01:34:02 ◼ ► Yeah, that was nine because you were basically running through operating systems, right? Right, right
01:34:09 ◼ ► But that's different though that to me though that was your it was clearly that's the old thing and you're hanging on to it
01:34:21 ◼ ► Whereas this is a new the thing that's different about this is that these are new things this voice memos app is new for the Mac
01:34:42 ◼ ► Because we're moving and theoretically I think we're moving from those iOS apps will not be the same either
01:34:50 ◼ ► It's not just a matter of moving the iOS apps to the Mac and making them more Mac-like.
01:35:09 ◼ ► The classic transition, the more I think about it, I get it that it's a transition, so I
01:35:14 ◼ ► But the difference is that, and I think Apple itself did a very good job right from the
01:35:19 ◼ ► the get-go of having all of their stuff was native on Mac OS X. They nativized everything
01:35:26 ◼ ► and if you were using Apple software, I mean there might be some exceptions, but for the
01:35:37 ◼ ► them and there was no way, I understand enough about how it works, there was no possible
01:40:37 ◼ ► then the battery died. Yeah, and that tile tracker in the end. That was the end of the story.
01:40:42 ◼ ► Very sweet gift. It's clever because I had been thinking about it and it is certainly it was,
01:40:47 ◼ ► you know, but the only thing I really used it for was testing it. You know, like I'd hide it
01:40:57 ◼ ► interesting unveil there. Yeah, I think we just spent like two days trying to find Karen's
01:41:15 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean, well, I'm fine. I don't know. I maybe I'm over imagining and for some reason I was imagining apples would be smaller
01:41:22 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe the tile would be but I don't know. I guess it probably would be. I don't know why I made that jump
01:41:27 ◼ ► I just figured it's gonna be way smaller because that's always been my problem with the tile thing
01:41:32 ◼ ► One of my problems with it. It seems like it's I'm not gonna put one of those on my keys for well
01:41:42 ◼ ► Yeah keys are the obvious one, but I don't lose my keys and and my daily carry key thing is just one key
01:42:03 ◼ ► Anyway keys are the obvious solution, but it seems like Apple wouldn't do it if it was just keys
01:42:14 ◼ ► To it or if when they announced whatever the thing is if it's so different that we have to think before we go back and think
01:42:21 ◼ ► Oh wait about remember Rambo's nine-to-five leak about the tile tractors. That's that you know
01:43:24 ◼ ► still looked like a regular platinum appearance, whatever you want to call it, Aqua appearance.
01:43:28 ◼ ► It's just that the actual text editor area would have a dark background with light colors,
01:43:33 ◼ ► and BB Edit is such a minimal app that whatever color the text background is really is what
01:43:48 ◼ ► it be in this very visually distinctive state where it doesn't look like all these other
01:44:00 ◼ ► look like BB edit with a dark, dark gray background. So terminal and BB edit. I've always used
01:44:05 ◼ ► a dark background just to have it look different. Yeah. And I can't explain it justify. It's
01:47:22 ◼ ► So you know, for something that people are supposed to quote unquote work on, it's, you
01:48:06 ◼ ► but whatever it looks to a Mac like it's an external display, but it's really just a little
01:48:10 ◼ ► dongle, little tiny dongle plugged in, but then it shoots the image over to the Luna app on your
01:48:22 ◼ ► so I spent $100 or whatever it costs to see it and was impressed and never used it because I have no
01:48:30 ◼ ► need for it. Yeah, that's why I don't have it. I'm sure it's useful for, I mean, I can think that
01:48:35 ◼ ► there are many people who would have that need. But it also seems, and as impressive as it is that
01:48:42 ◼ ► a third party shipped that product and has it working as well as they do, it really seems like
01:48:48 ◼ ► it's something that has to be built into the system to really work well and to get the API
01:48:53 ◼ ► support so that Mac apps can totally understand that they might be getting Apple Pencil input.
01:49:04 ◼ ► Right. I'm trying to think. I guess there's not much more. It's not worth going through
01:49:23 ◼ ► And I'm very excited about this because it's a longtime favorite of mine. Things from Cultured
01:49:30 ◼ ► code. Look, we all have things to do. Things helps you achieve your goals. Things started life
01:49:45 ◼ ► the first 500 apps in the App Store. Terrific rock-solid sync between all of the clients so
01:49:51 ◼ ► you can keep everything in sync across all your devices and always has had a terrific interface.
01:50:53 ◼ ► I don't know that I would use the app without it. That's how I like to organize my stuff.
01:50:56 ◼ ► You tag stuff, then you can look at everything tagged with the same tag, get them all grouped
01:51:05 ◼ ► an individual item or an item can just be, you know, just a simple reminder to, you know,
01:51:12 ◼ ► go to the grocery store. It really has you covered for the simplest stuff to organizing
01:51:36 ◼ ► out. And hey, they support all sorts of stuff in the OS on the Mac. They have action and
01:51:43 ◼ ► today extensions. So you can see it over there in your little today area on the right side
01:51:48 ◼ ► Mac. They have a watch app, they integrate with the system reminders and calendar series shortcuts,
01:51:56 ◼ ► and one of my favorites, Apple script support. It's a great, great Mac app. It really is. I use it
01:52:04 ◼ ► every day. I've been using it for years. And it's really it's one of my favorite apps. Now,
01:52:10 ◼ ► if you think it might be a vendor to you, here's what you do. They have a free trial for the Mac.
01:52:29 ◼ ► It really is a great app makes me happy every day. And I just love to see a terrific native
01:52:36 ◼ ► Mac app continue to be updated and do so well. So my thanks to things for supporting the talk show.
01:52:43 ◼ ► Uh, anything else? Is there anything we missed on this before we wrap it up? Uh, any other
01:52:50 ◼ ► stories? Um, I don't think you've talked about the Qualcomm thing, did you? Oh God, no, we
01:52:59 ◼ ► was a big one. Yeah, there we go. Now we have a, a final act. Uh, so what? So Qualcomm and
01:53:07 ◼ ► and Apple were fighting for years. Big stakes. Apple started withholding billions of dollars
01:53:22 ◼ ► Qualcomm chips. In the area of modems, they are the clear leader worldwide and they charged
01:53:31 ◼ ► for it accordingly. And then there's the patent licensing, which is patent licenses that Qualcomm
01:53:38 ◼ ► charges, even if you weren't using their chips. And Apple seemingly took a deep moral outrage to
01:53:46 ◼ ► this and felt that they were being charged for things they weren't paying for and that Qualcomm
01:53:52 ◼ ► didn't deserve. And then there were other aspects of it. This part I learned and I'm glad I learned
01:54:02 ◼ ► way that Qualcomm was charging for the license fees was based on the overall cost of the
01:54:45 ◼ ► that it doesn't really sound fair. Yeah. But on the other hand, you know, if if a dollar
01:55:49 ◼ ► You know, like, you know, some kind of thing where if they have X number of seats, they
01:56:02 ◼ ► But somebody thought of it and it worked and they're probably sitting on an island somewhere
01:56:08 ◼ ► But anyway, Apple objected to that and they were fighting and, you know, they were going
01:56:19 ◼ ► the next day. That was one of the interesting parts of the story, right? Because the question
01:56:32 ◼ ► these things often do settle. They sometimes do go to court, but it's really unusual to
01:56:38 ◼ ► go to court and start it and then settle right away. And then later in the same day, Intel
01:57:14 ◼ ► an iPhone. The first LTE iPhone, the iPhone 5 came out after the first LTE capable iPad,
01:57:24 ◼ ► which actually makes a lot of sense at a technical level. You think like, hey, the iPhone's
01:57:31 ◼ ► company. But these new chipsets tend to be bigger and hotter and not as integrated onto
01:57:38 ◼ ► a single tiny thing. And the iPad is a lot bigger and has a much huger battery and therefore
01:59:08 ◼ ► And that put and everybody who seems to know these things, I don't know jack about cellular
01:59:20 ◼ ► It is not surprising that one company like Qualcomm has a big lead because it is apparently
01:59:36 ◼ ► the details of how 5G works, it sounds insane. I guess their plan was let's go to stick with Intel
01:59:46 ◼ ► so we can keep fighting Qualcomm. And I think that there were some reports that Intel was behind.
02:00:12 ◼ ► hard place? The terms were not disclosed exactly. The closest they got to exposing the terms
02:00:33 ◼ ► And so somebody who could do the math on that figured out, you know, it was like, you know,
02:00:56 ◼ ► I mean, well, you, I mean, when you have one supplier though, it becomes, it does become
02:01:03 ◼ ► Right. Well, if they were if there were like at least a couple players, and right the other
02:01:08 ◼ ► x factor is that Apple is working on their own modems. Yeah, right. And apparently are years away.
02:01:15 ◼ ► But but very, very full steam ahead, I would imagine. And my understanding is they've set
02:01:21 ◼ ► up their own facility, which is near Qualcomm's and they're just like, yeah, they're trying to
02:01:25 ◼ ► they're poaching as many Qualcomm engineers as they can. Yeah, yeah. That's why they it's in
02:01:40 ◼ ► I don't know. It probably should be. I still remember Qualcomm as the company that bought
02:01:47 ◼ ► Eudora. Oh yeah. That was a bit ago. And then wrecked it. Yeah. But that's neither here nor
02:03:49 ◼ ► But White Sox fans would be happy. Yeah, I know. No, yeah. I mean, some people would definitely be
02:03:53 ◼ ► happy. I'd never have to buy a drink in Chicago again, even though I'd have this enormous
02:03:59 ◼ ► fortune of billions of dollars and could easily afford it by my own. Which would have been better
02:04:07 ◼ ► I knew we had one more major story. I'm so glad that you remembered it. I don't really have much
02:04:14 ◼ ► to say about it. I guess the only other upside I can think of is that this may not be good for Apple
02:04:18 ◼ ► Apple. It's you know, I don't have a lot of them. Yeah, I mean at least for now, you know,
02:04:28 ◼ ► it's going to take them like you said a few years. I always I wonder what I haven't kept
02:04:39 ◼ ► were saying oh they're getting into AR they're getting into these chips these modem chips
02:04:42 ◼ ► so you're going to be you know gangbusters because they're Intel and they're so big and
02:05:52 ◼ ► And I know I just got done. It's so unfair because I just got done saying how devilishly
02:06:00 ◼ ► They did make some modems, but they just didn't do well enough to make it a good business.
02:06:09 ◼ ► It does fit with the Cook Doctrine, which I think is interesting. I always link to Horace
02:06:13 ◼ ► dead used summary of it. It's some statement of a sort of mission statement that Tim Cook gave.
02:06:21 ◼ ► And it's longer. It actually espouses more than this. But the part that always sticks with me,
02:06:26 ◼ ► that one of the things Apple does, according to Cook's doctrine, is owning and controlling
02:06:31 ◼ ► the primary technologies behind the products that Apple makes. And I think they obviously
02:06:37 ◼ ► miscalculated on these cellular modems years ago. And on the flip side, one of the least heralded,
02:06:46 ◼ ► but I think most astounding strategic successes in the history of the industry, let alone just Apple,
02:06:53 ◼ ► was their decision to get into the mobile chip game with that. What was the company they bought?
02:06:59 ◼ ► Just that it was a small investment overall and you know turned it into these a-series processors
02:07:08 ◼ ► and I just I still remember the keynote where they announced I think it was the a4 was the first one
02:07:14 ◼ ► and that that was their design and the pride that Steve Jobs had in it was so palpable it was like I
02:07:24 ◼ ► just remember thinking like from this listening to the way he announced it that this really wasn't
02:07:28 ◼ ► about this A4 chip, this is about like Apple's future. Like it was a very big deal to them and
02:07:34 ◼ ► in hindsight it truly is. You know, I think they might have miscalculated on when they should have
02:07:42 ◼ ► gotten into the cellular mode because it may be miscalculated at how what a stranglehold one
02:07:47 ◼ ► company Qualcomm was going to have over it. Yeah. Well, ideally they will have set themselves up a
02:07:56 ◼ ► little bit better sometime down the road. The upside for us as users is we'll get better modems
02:08:02 ◼ ► because the Qualcomm ones are better. And I hopefully we'll get you know, maybe we'll get 5G
02:08:07 ◼ ► phones better. I don't really care. I don't I have to say it's not all rolled out yet. And right. And
02:08:12 ◼ ► it's not even close. There's a whole bunch of infrastructure even like, yeah, I mean, there's
02:08:16 ◼ ► so much that needs to be done in order for it to be truly meaningful that right. There's this
02:08:24 ◼ ► thinking that it's going to come in 2020 maybe but it may not come until 2021 but yeah it's
02:08:29 ◼ ► probably not going to be that big a deal well and yeah and the other thing is i have to say my lte
02:08:34 ◼ ► service is excellent most places i go like i can't think of i'm trying to think of things i do where
02:08:40 ◼ ► having something even faster would be better uh i you know i it's pretty pretty hard to come up
02:08:48 ◼ ► with anything like i stream video at the highest resolution i want i mean i guess there's coverage
02:08:56 ◼ ► Right, and penetrating into like basements or thick buildings. And it sounds to me like
02:09:14 ◼ ► I guess there was one more thing. Here we have one more thing. One more thing. We could
02:09:33 ◼ ► with updated internals. Yeah. So like like like the Mariners, we started with the Mariners
02:09:45 ◼ ► not getting my heart set on rumors of a smaller phone. I will believe it when I see it. I
02:10:21 ◼ ► now I can yeah now I can read text better and so now my my SE is you know I don't have to pump up
02:10:26 ◼ ► the text and it's not like getting like four words on the front of it. So I I'm back all in on on
02:10:35 ◼ ► small phones. It it sounds right to me that the if they were going to do another SE type thing
02:10:42 ◼ ► that doing it in the iPhone 8 size factor sounds about right even though I know for the those like
02:10:49 ◼ ► you and my friend Mike Davidson who's a huge aficionado of that smaller size and really
02:10:55 ◼ ► really was just bitching to me the other day about his iPhone XS being too goddamn big.
02:11:01 ◼ ► I know that you would rather have it be smaller but the 8 is definitely, I just picked it