The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► John Gruber, I was so excited yesterday. I was in receipt of many exciting things from

00:00:04 ◼   ► China. Oh yeah, many Chinese things arrived in my house yesterday. And it's very early

00:00:09 ◼   ► for me. I slept in a little bit, so I'm kind of out of it. Yeah, so I was really excited.

00:00:14 ◼   ► I got the new big boy iPad and I hurriedly, I said, they said, honey, you watch, watch,

00:00:19 ◼   ► watch, watch some cartoons. I'm going to go to the office and I'm going to go restore

00:00:23 ◼   ► my iPad and I got there and I went, "Hmm?" because I have a Retina 5K iMac from two,

00:00:32 ◼   ► three years ago. The first Retina 5K iMac.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Yeah, that's why I still got that.

00:00:35 ◼   ► And I stood there like my late stepfather holding a cord with two different things on it going,

00:00:40 ◼   ► "Hmm, hmm." Looking back and forth and I realized at my office as it stands,

00:00:45 ◼   ► I do not have any way to go from this particular machine to USB-C that I know of.

00:00:52 ◼   ► It's it is funny. I don't have that either. I've got a bunch of I've got my front pocket of my

00:00:59 ◼   ► backpack is I got one of the that's where you store dongle town. Yeah, it's it's a very small

00:01:04 ◼   ► pocket. But I now have many, many dongles. And it's not, not even all of them are USB C related.

00:01:12 ◼   ► They just have right, I decided that I would, I'm never going to get caught short again without it.

00:01:17 ◼   ► Right, right. I have a bag that up until this week was real good for that purpose.

00:01:22 ◼   ► It's just that you're the one who studied math, you're the engineer, but if you think about it,

00:01:26 ◼   ► it used to be mostly as simple as you go on the road with whatever and you need some kind of little plug thing

00:01:34 ◼   ► that goes from USB-A to 30 pin. And now over time, as I got more other devices, not Apple devices,

00:01:42 ◼   ► that became micro, but usually mini, USB mini, you gotta account for that. So in that case,

00:01:48 ◼   ► I always get them wrong. But whatever the one is that's flat and popular, I got that

00:01:52 ◼   ► kind that's reversible, or flippable, right? Where you can put it in either way, and it

00:01:57 ◼   ► usually works. Because I would always get it wrong, you know, get it wrong more than

00:02:01 ◼   ► 50% of the time, I got one of those, I had all those, you know, but the problem is then,

00:02:06 ◼   ► then you start getting this this weird, like, anytime you draw that, do that network drawing

00:02:10 ◼   ► with more than a few dots and connect all the dots.

00:02:12 ◼   ► It becomes hopelessly confusing.

00:02:13 ◼   ► You had USB-C to that mix and now all of a sudden I, I, I don't know.

00:02:18 ◼   ► I feel like professor Frank or something like that.

00:02:19 ◼   ► I'm going to need several different is, and I honestly, there will certainly be

00:02:23 ◼   ► things where I complain about Apple today.

00:02:25 ◼   ► I'm honestly not complaining.

00:02:26 ◼   ► I'm just noting that like, I thought I had, I thought I had a wired man.

00:02:30 ◼   ► I had the, literally I had the anchor hub, the USB-C hub that was great for going on

00:02:35 ◼   ► the road I've got, I'm, I'm pretty like stored up at this point.

00:02:39 ◼   ► with having devices that charge faster.

00:02:42 ◼   ► Between iPads and iPhones, I've got the higher powered USB

00:02:48 ◼   ► adapters.

00:02:49 ◼   ► But now I need to revisit the whole system.

00:02:51 ◼   ► I have a go bag where I can just throw in a suitcase

00:02:53 ◼   ► and know to a certainty that everything from the Apple

00:02:56 ◼   ► Watch to the Fitbit to the Mac to the iPad

00:02:59 ◼   ► will all be taken care of.

00:03:01 ◼   ► And I knew I'd be good.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And I do need to revisit that.

00:03:03 ◼   ► And I think it's going to possibly get more complex.

00:03:06 ◼   ► You know, it is weird because it doesn't

00:03:08 ◼   ► too many things out there, right? Most of everything I've gotten either needs done,

00:03:13 ◼   ► you know, the lightning or the USB C now, but you still have some mostly lightning.

00:03:18 ◼   ► I mean, let's be honest up until you know, this week. Well, but then you've also got

00:03:22 ◼   ► your your oddball devices that need the I don't even know what it's called. My micro

00:03:27 ◼   ► micro was like my mini was the one that was was not even that many. Mini was the one that

00:03:31 ◼   ► was that's the Android ish one that's taller. Yeah. And like a trapezoid. Right. Kind of.

00:03:38 ◼   ► And then the one in what, like in everything else,

00:03:41 ◼   ► is modern devices, is micro, yeah.

00:03:43 ◼   ► - Right, and so like my external battery packs,

00:03:45 ◼   ► you know, those things need, always need micro.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Who knows why, thank God,

00:03:49 ◼   ► if we could get those things on USB-C,

00:03:50 ◼   ► it would really upgrade the world.

00:03:52 ◼   ► I think the Kindle still takes the micro, I don't know.

00:03:56 ◼   ► I've got a brand new-- - It does, it does.

00:03:57 ◼   ► - I have a brand new Kindle upstairs

00:03:59 ◼   ► that a guy came like three and a half weeks ago,

00:04:02 ◼   ► and I still haven't opened the box,

00:04:03 ◼   ► because it's like, busy,

00:04:05 ◼   ► it's like the busy time of the year for me,

00:04:07 ◼   ► I've got all these other things.

00:04:08 ◼   ► It's like, I can't dig around with a new Kindle.

00:04:12 ◼   ► - Well, you know, it's, I don't know.

00:04:14 ◼   ► This is actually a somewhat interesting, I think,

00:04:16 ◼   ► somewhat germane topic, which is like almost all the time

00:04:20 ◼   ► in Apple since let's say, what, 1998?

00:04:24 ◼   ► I mean, in all the time since then,

00:04:26 ◼   ► it always feels like we're in the middle of a transition.

00:04:29 ◼   ► Whether that's, let's start with, you know,

00:04:31 ◼   ► floppies not being relevant anymore.

00:04:33 ◼   ► the widespread adoption of USB-A, but really at every step along the way, I mean, it's

00:04:40 ◼   ► only people like my friend John Roderick that feel like it was 30 pin jacks forever and

00:04:43 ◼   ► then why does Apple keep changing it? It really is a constant time of transition, so you just

00:04:47 ◼   ► look at the one vector of this thing you plug in to your device, let's say the most basic

00:04:51 ◼   ► one. You need a way to charge your iPhone, well of course you need a way to charge your

00:04:55 ◼   ► iPhone, but in a lot of cases you also need a way to get data over that cable, which changes

00:05:00 ◼   ► things a little bit. Because if you are traveling and have multiple devices and you don't want

00:05:04 ◼   ► to be an insane person carrying like a Dr. Satchel full of these things around, you have

00:05:08 ◼   ► to really think all that stuff through. And the USB-C does complicate that. Because, for

00:05:13 ◼   ► example, I was thinking, so what do you use to charge your iPhone from your new iPad that

00:05:21 ◼   ► must be USB-C to Lightning? Do you have that cable?

00:05:24 ◼   ► No, I don't have that cable. I don't think I do. I really don't think I do.

00:05:28 ◼   ► I'm not complaining. I might have it. I'm becoming aware that I have to jump on my segue

00:05:34 ◼   ► and go back and forth to the house three times. And I still could not figure it was like it's

00:05:39 ◼   ► like the thing my kid does now. She's she's in fifth grade and she has these logic problems

00:05:43 ◼   ► where like Doug is sitting next to John and John has a hoagie and it's like you go. So

00:05:47 ◼   ► who's on the train? And and I eventually gave up and went with iCloud backup because I am

00:05:52 ◼   ► a compulsive iCloud back upper. I actually prefer the iCloud for the restore. It's come

00:05:57 ◼   ► so far, John. It's really stem to stern the entire thing. Oh, yeah. And again, so you're

00:06:03 ◼   ► making the point for me, which was, if we only account for power, that's one thing.

00:06:06 ◼   ► If we only account for data or, you know, that's another thing. Well, we are what we

00:06:10 ◼   ► still need to get our head around if we're going to stay in this universe is all the

00:06:13 ◼   ► other stuff too. We also, we do have the constant of mostly 10 hour plus or minus battery life

00:06:18 ◼   ► to keep in mind. But I mean, we've talked about this how many times where sometimes

00:06:24 ◼   ► your LTE connection some places is actually faster than the Wi-Fi connection.

00:06:28 ◼   ► You can do some pretty substantial stuff and not have to check on it

00:06:33 ◼   ► constantly. It's not like burning a CD in like 2002. Like you can,

00:06:36 ◼   ► you know that stuff is eventually going to work,

00:06:38 ◼   ► but you do have to take all that into account.

00:06:40 ◼   ► You have to then think about stuff like still USB,

00:06:43 ◼   ► USB keys for moving stuff around things like the files, uh,

00:06:46 ◼   ► apps and services. And you know, if we,

00:06:50 ◼   ► I guess what I'm trying to say is in order to avoid becoming a completely unhappy

00:06:53 ◼   ► old man. It is important for me to keep focusing on where things are and where they are going,

00:06:57 ◼   ► rather than gazing exclusively at where I thought they should be in 1987. You know,

00:07:03 ◼   ► I don't miss Scuzzy 50. I don't miss it. That was it was brutal. I you have to take into account

00:07:09 ◼   ► how the entire ecosystem works together and is moving. And of all the things we can be

00:07:14 ◼   ► skeptical with about Apple, I think one is that they have a pretty good idea about how

00:07:18 ◼   ► it will fit together. I hope. Yeah, I think the weird thing too that while testing this

00:07:24 ◼   ► new iPad, I at one point on the last day, I think because the reviews are going up Monday

00:07:29 ◼   ► morning, let me see if I have a fine timeline. Yeah, Monday was the iPads and Tuesday was

00:07:33 ◼   ► MacBook Air. I had been using this iPad for you know, the better part of a week, but Amy

00:07:40 ◼   ► is a much more avid iPad user than me and I wanted her to use it because I was really

00:07:45 ◼   ► interested in her perspective of would she like this size, meaning the 12.9. And so I

00:07:50 ◼   ► wiped it and gave it to her and let her restore her iPad thing. And again, that went so fast.

00:07:56 ◼   ► It was like, this could be a nightmare. This, you know, am I misremembering how quick it

00:08:00 ◼   ► was for me to set this up? And it was seriously, it was like, I don't know.

00:08:02 ◼   ► Isn't there a small part of your mind? I mean, like, so just real quick. So what I do, here's

00:08:06 ◼   ► my, I screw up was I'm running the developer betas on most of my iOS devices because I'm

00:08:13 ◼   ► that guy. And of course my backup was 12.1.1. And so I tried to restore and it says, "Sorry,

00:08:19 ◼   ► no luck." So I wipe, I start over and now I have to get to, but it turns out in the

00:08:26 ◼   ► time since then, even in that day, now it's got to be 12.1.2. So I got to get them both

00:08:30 ◼   ► up to 12.1. This is not a huge problem, but it was an extra like three hours, I'll told.

00:08:35 ◼   ► But what you're saying is correct. If you're in normie and just running normal software,

00:08:38 ◼   ► that's probably going to work fine.

00:08:40 ◼   ► And it is shocking.

00:08:41 ◼   ► All you have to do is go to reset.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Please be very careful and don't just do this while I'm talking.

00:08:45 ◼   ► You go to reset, you say erase all content and settings.

00:08:47 ◼   ► And then it just comes back up and you say,

00:08:49 ◼   ► restore from iCloud.

00:08:50 ◼   ► Which one do you want?

00:08:50 ◼   ► And that's it.

00:08:51 ◼   ► That's really-- it really-- it's shocking how fast--

00:08:54 ◼   ► oh, and also then the new thing where

00:08:56 ◼   ► you get basic settings from a nearby iOS device,

00:08:58 ◼   ► sort of like with the Apple TV setup.

00:09:00 ◼   ► That's great.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Yeah, and it really does speed things up.

00:09:02 ◼   ► It gets you on the Wi-Fi and stuff like that.

00:09:05 ◼   ► And so you don't have to type in your fiddly--

00:09:06 ◼   ► So you wipe it and give it to her.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Tell me what you think about this.

00:09:09 ◼   ► - Well, she likes it and she's like,

00:09:11 ◼   ► "Yeah, I think I want this size."

00:09:13 ◼   ► And she said, I think her exact words were,

00:09:15 ◼   ► "If the iPad is your jam, the size is your jam."

00:09:18 ◼   ► This is what people, you know, she got it.

00:09:20 ◼   ► - Talking about the big boy.

00:09:21 ◼   ► - The big boy, the 12.9 inch one.

00:09:23 ◼   ► But then it's like bedtime and she's going to bed

00:09:28 ◼   ► and she's got like one lightning cable

00:09:29 ◼   ► on her side of the bed.

00:09:31 ◼   ► And she's like, "How do I plug this in?"

00:09:33 ◼   ► And I was like, "No, no, it needs a new plug."

00:09:37 ◼   ► idiot. And she's looking at the bottom of this and she goes,

00:09:39 ◼   ► you're telling me this is different. And I said, yeah.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And she goes, you've got to be shitting me.

00:09:44 ◼   ► And she's like, well, wait, if I put the new plug over here, well,

00:09:49 ◼   ► that one plugged my phone, charged my phone. I was like, no, it's, it's,

00:09:53 ◼   ► box full of asterisks about how this is better. Yeah. And I'm,

00:09:58 ◼   ► I'm not even sold that it's better. You know, I, I get, I get,

00:10:02 ◼   ► I see the trade offs, right? I can make, I can make the list of pros and cons.

00:10:06 ◼   ► And, but she just looked at it and just was like,

00:10:08 ◼   ► you've gotta be shitting me. This is ridiculous.

00:10:10 ◼   ► How I've got these lightning cables, you know,

00:10:12 ◼   ► everywhere I need them around the house to charge,

00:10:15 ◼   ► whatever.

00:10:16 ◼   ► - I'll often buy the Amazon ones

00:10:18 ◼   ► cause they sell a six foot one or whatever,

00:10:21 ◼   ► the longer the one that comes with it.

00:10:22 ◼   ► I frequently buy them.

00:10:23 ◼   ► And when I do, when I get them from Amazon,

00:10:25 ◼   ► I buy them in pairs.

00:10:26 ◼   ► Cause when am I not going to need those?

00:10:27 ◼   ► Well, I've not,

00:10:28 ◼   ► because they get that little crayon mark eventually.

00:10:30 ◼   ► If you use them long enough,

00:10:31 ◼   ► you get that little corrosion on there

00:10:33 ◼   ► and you want to be able to switch them out,

00:10:34 ◼   ► that kind of stuff.

00:10:35 ◼   ► So I'm lousy with those cables.

00:10:39 ◼   ► I've been buying the ones from, I always forget the name of the company, Monoprice.

00:10:44 ◼   ► The Monoprice ones that have three caps.

00:10:48 ◼   ► So natively the cable has the micro USB, but then there's a lightning cap, like a little

00:10:55 ◼   ► lightning condom you put on the top and it's connected.

00:11:00 ◼   ► It's on like a little tether so it's not going to fly off like an Apple Pencil One.

00:11:04 ◼   ► So the one cable has all three things you can do micro you can do lightning, you can

00:11:09 ◼   ► do USB C. And as far as I can tell, you don't pay any kind of penalty on that. It's like

00:11:13 ◼   ► when you're going with you put the USB C cap on you plug it into the powerful 30 watt charger,

00:11:20 ◼   ► you're getting the full 30 watt, you know, just because even though it's at some point

00:11:24 ◼   ► going through a little micro USB thing, I don't see I haven't done I haven't send it

00:11:28 ◼   ► to you out labs, but it seems like you don't lose anything. But I have to say it's it is

00:11:34 ◼   ► ugly. It's an ugly little tentacle of many cables at the end of the cable.

00:11:39 ◼   ► It is and there are so many things about this is the first time in a pretty long time that except

00:11:46 ◼   ► for my desktop Mac, which is as I say, I think I got an August I want to say of 2016 whenever

00:11:53 ◼   ► whenever the 5k right now was relatively new. I'm up to date on all my devices right now.

00:11:59 ◼   ► I've got like, I'm a fancy boy and I've got recent versions of everything. And then what,

00:12:02 ◼   ► you know, it is funny what, what they say, you get used to this or you come to expect

00:12:07 ◼   ► this. It is kind of funny at almost almost every step I have been proven utterly wrong.

00:12:13 ◼   ► Like when I saw the notch, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. I will never not see

00:12:18 ◼   ► the notch all the time. And now I'm on my second iPhone 10 series and I see it but it

00:12:24 ◼   ► doesn't bother me. It doesn't bug me at all. And further to that point, so I spent just

00:12:31 ◼   ► enough time setting up this gorgeous new iPad yesterday, just enough time that when I popped

00:12:37 ◼   ► over to flip on the previous iPad Pro 10 inch, I went, "Hmm, that's kind of a modest sized

00:12:43 ◼   ► screen. It's no different than my feeling of picking up my kid's iPod she never uses

00:12:47 ◼   ► anymore just to make sure it's up to date. And I go, "Oh my gosh, this is like roaming

00:12:51 ◼   ► on a postage stamp. This thing feels so little." It is strange, but the corollary to that is

00:12:56 ◼   ► that you increasingly do notice how crazy some stuff is. It really feels like we should

00:13:04 ◼   ► be closer to truly wireless charging, for example. The apex of this, and thank God this

00:13:11 ◼   ► has gone away. Of course, the lollipop effect of sticking your Apple Pencil 1 into your

00:13:18 ◼   ► iPad never stopped feeling utterly asinine. Second only perhaps to that mouse you had

00:13:23 ◼   ► to flip over to stick the charger into. You get used to most all of it, but you also become

00:13:29 ◼   ► increasingly aware of like, "God damn, this thing is so good at so many of these things

00:13:32 ◼   ► that it does really feel like a little bit of a legacy relic to have certain things,

00:13:36 ◼   ► including a cable sticking out of the bottom while you're trying to use it."

00:13:40 ◼   ► I was thinking about this the other day. It's funny. I could tell you exactly what block

00:13:43 ◼   ► of the city I was on. I was just talking to, I don't know if this is like an age thing

00:13:46 ◼   ► or what, but more and more it's like I can remember exactly where and when I was when

00:13:51 ◼   ► I had a thought. Oh yeah. So I can remember them at all. I can usually remember. I think

00:13:56 ◼   ► it's the other way around. I think it's, you just don't remember much. You probably always

00:13:59 ◼   ► remember, but now it's the thoughts you do remember, you know, so what you got to see,

00:14:03 ◼   ► you've got the new pencil thing. Yeah, no, you didn't get the pencil. I did. No, I got,

00:14:07 ◼   ► I got everything. Yeah. I'm the four digit club. The new pencil is,

00:14:10 ◼   ► is the greatest little apple thing I can,

00:14:13 ◼   ► I raved about it better in at least three or four ways.

00:14:16 ◼   ► I raved about it in my review.

00:14:17 ◼   ► It was the little sentence of the review that apple picked up and put on there,

00:14:21 ◼   ► like what the reviewers are saying, which is always a weird thing for me.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I always think, I think like I can't, you know, I should,

00:14:28 ◼   ► I shouldn't understand that,

00:14:30 ◼   ► that apple reads my stuff and cares what I think, but it's like, Whoa,

00:14:33 ◼   ► I can't believe they're quoting me.

00:14:35 ◼   ► - You didn't use the shit sandwich one?

00:14:37 ◼   ► - No, I didn't use that.

00:14:38 ◼   ► But I feel like even though I raved about it so much

00:14:41 ◼   ► that Apple even picked that segment to talk about it,

00:14:43 ◼   ► I still don't feel like I did justice

00:14:45 ◼   ► to just how beautiful this thing is,

00:14:48 ◼   ► and every aspect of it.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Like, and I even wrote in my little thing

00:14:52 ◼   ► that it nears perfection for the concept.

00:14:55 ◼   ► So in theory, somebody could have a concept of a stylist

00:14:58 ◼   ► that works differently,

00:15:00 ◼   ► something that has like three little clicky buttons,

00:15:02 ◼   ► you could just sit there and click. You know, there's other ways to do a stylus. But the idea

00:15:06 ◼   ► of a stylus with no buttons that just works. This this new one is it is seriously near perfection.

00:15:14 ◼   ► The one and only idea I really sat there and thought, well, how would I even suggest an

00:15:17 ◼   ► improvement? The only thing I could think of was it would be nice if it had like haptic feedback

00:15:23 ◼   ► for that double tap thing. Because as it stands, you you double tap it and whether to tell sometimes

00:15:29 ◼   ► if it's taken, especially on an app that has been updated. Well, that Yeah, they don't

00:15:31 ◼   ► know that you've missed the pencil itself has no feedback to offer you. So the only

00:15:35 ◼   ► way you can get feedback is in the app you're using. And so like the notes app, which has

00:15:39 ◼   ► been updated for it, you know, literally racer will pop up, it animates and has a little

00:15:45 ◼   ► spring to it, you know, and it's like, okay, you switch to the eraser by by double tapping,

00:15:49 ◼   ► it would be nice if the pencil offered you that feedback. But other than that, I can't

00:15:53 ◼   ► even think of a way to improve it. It's so beautiful. And you're right that the and I

00:15:56 ◼   ► still what the thought I had the other day was was about the bad rap that the old pencil got

00:16:03 ◼   ► for that lollipop effect you're talking about because it was awkward. It did look silly. It

00:16:08 ◼   ► always and I don't know why every time I did it I feel like oh Christ don't break it you know it

00:16:13 ◼   ► just felt like because it's just sticking out and I never came close to breaking it you know but it's

00:16:18 ◼   ► not the kind of thing you would see in an Apple product photo you know feature it it looks really

00:16:24 ◼   ► weird and it's an anxiety making.

00:16:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it was, but I totally see why they did it,

00:16:29 ◼   ► right, it's totally justifiable because in addition

00:16:32 ◼   ► to charging and in addition to the fact that when the pencil

00:16:35 ◼   ► is low on juice, you really only needed to stick it in

00:16:38 ◼   ► for a couple seconds, you know, 30 seconds and you'd be good

00:16:41 ◼   ► for a long stretch.

00:16:42 ◼   ► But the fact that it also is what paired it to the iPad.

00:16:47 ◼   ► So if you've got one pencil and a couple of iPads

00:16:50 ◼   ► and you're not even, you know, it's like this isn't

00:16:52 ◼   ► your pencil, you just stick it in the lightning port

00:16:54 ◼   ► And it's like, okay, I got you.

00:16:55 ◼   ► Now this is the iPad is saying, this is my pencil now.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Got it.

00:16:59 ◼   ► It's brilliant.

00:16:59 ◼   ► You don't have to go to settings.

00:17:00 ◼   ► You don't have to pair.

00:17:02 ◼   ► There's no, it's brilliant, but boy, this is so much better

00:17:07 ◼   ► without having to actually stick it in a port.

00:17:09 ◼   ► Just snap.

00:17:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, and this is something I feel like I say,

00:17:14 ◼   ► I don't like to invoke the whole specter

00:17:16 ◼   ► of Steve Jobs for things.

00:17:17 ◼   ► I think it's pretty lame most of the time,

00:17:19 ◼   ► but there's a tremendous irony in the fact

00:17:21 ◼   ► that it is a stylus that is the product I look at

00:17:25 ◼   ► from the last five years and I go,

00:17:26 ◼   ► "Wow, Steve Jobs wouldn't like this."

00:17:28 ◼   ► Ironic, of course, 'cause of the You Blew It line.

00:17:31 ◼   ► But this is a very Steve Jobs kind of thing.

00:17:33 ◼   ► Just the subtle touches of,

00:17:35 ◼   ► this does not feel to me like a purely Johnny type of thing.

00:17:38 ◼   ► I think the first pencil feels like

00:17:39 ◼   ► a very Johnny kind of thing,

00:17:41 ◼   ► 'cause it looks great until you have to use it,

00:17:42 ◼   ► and then it's kind of silly.

00:17:43 ◼   ► And in this case, no offense,

00:17:46 ◼   ► but in this case, the thing looks great

00:17:47 ◼   ► no matter how you're using it.

00:17:49 ◼   ► The subtlety of like, it's fun.

00:17:51 ◼   ► I certainly must have thought of calling it the number two pencil, but that would have

00:17:55 ◼   ► been confusing. But adding that, what would be the one flat side, I think that's probably

00:18:01 ◼   ► a hexagonal plane if you'd done that all the way around. It feels like a pencil on

00:18:06 ◼   ► that part. Yes, it does pop right on. Another one that's so subtle, it feels real sturdy,

00:18:13 ◼   ► but the texture, it's so strange. They're so good at materials, the texture of this

00:18:17 ◼   ► If God forbid Steve Jobs ever had to live to see a stylist on one of his devices, I think he'd be proud of this one

00:18:22 ◼   ► I think this really

00:18:24 ◼   ► Especially for I consider this a 1.0. I feel like this is a real do-over

00:18:27 ◼   ► I guess the tips are similar

00:18:29 ◼   ► But this feels like a real do-over of the concept and I think he would be very proud of this

00:18:33 ◼   ► I think this would fit into his idea of how we interact with stuff

00:18:36 ◼   ► And that's you know, if you go back and listen to what he said, I think his context was clearly well

00:18:42 ◼   ► It was a classic job Z and if we don't have to use you have to use a style

00:18:46 ◼   ► yeah, it was about having you know a

00:18:48 ◼   ► Device where where where there are certain features that require this stylus and that's what he meant by blew it

00:18:54 ◼   ► I don't think that he even even then at that moment was opposed to

00:18:58 ◼   ► Say the fact that you know that there were plenty of people using Wacom tablets with Macintosh

00:19:04 ◼   ► Computers, you know and a stylus, you know that there's of course artists need a stylus to draw

00:19:11 ◼   ► But you know there's a classic job scene if Apple isn't selling X yet

00:19:15 ◼   ► Then every X on the market is both unnecessary and garbage garbage. Just just poor design. Yeah

00:19:21 ◼   ► another one of his I don't know this is apocryphal, but the I feel like I remember him saying at one time nobody

00:19:27 ◼   ► Nobody's gonna nobody watches movies. Yeah, it was I remember

00:19:30 ◼   ► It was when the first color iPod came out with and it only had support for photos

00:19:36 ◼   ► Yeah and talk about

00:19:39 ◼   ► That's the thing. That's the thing is I do remember having that particular whichever

00:19:43 ◼   ► iPad or iPod was the first one that could show a video. And I do feel like it was easily

00:19:48 ◼   ► one of the first things I ever bought as like a video thing from iTunes. I think I bought

00:19:54 ◼   ► a few episodes of the show Psych. And I remember specifically I was staying at John Roderick's

00:19:59 ◼   ► house in his mom's guest room and I remember having the dingus that would let me go to

00:20:04 ◼   ► RCA cables, and I was watching video from an iPod on a TV. But it did feel very exotic.

00:20:15 ◼   ► It did feel very--I enjoyed the episode y'all did about 2001 on the incomparable--it did

00:20:19 ◼   ► very much feel like something, you know, a little bit proto-Haywood, you know, like when

00:20:24 ◼   ► you're hanging out waiting to talk to the Russians and you pull out your video device

00:20:28 ◼   ► in portrait mode. But that was very exotic at the time. And now one of the reasons I

00:20:33 ◼   ► I suggest to people if you're going to be a dumb rich boy and buy one of these things,

00:20:37 ◼   ► don't buy 64. And everybody's like, well, why would I ever use more? I look now I'm

00:20:40 ◼   ► not using 64. I was like, this is a movie machine. If you have a kid, you could have

00:20:43 ◼   ► 10 movies on this thing all the time and never even notice. But if you, you pick you, you

00:20:48 ◼   ► get Scott Pilgrim, you get Harry Potter three, you get a few classic movies that everybody

00:20:52 ◼   ► likes and you put it on here. And now when you're somewhere with no connectivity, you

00:20:56 ◼   ► have a movie machine that looks stunning. This screen is bigger and certainly more colorful

00:21:00 ◼   ► in the screen that I grew up with as a child. And it is a primary way that tons of people,

00:21:05 ◼   ► especially young people, watch video now. That changed a lot.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't have anything that takes up significant space on my iPads other than

00:21:12 ◼   ► the movies. I don't have little kids anymore. So it's not, thank God though, that would have made

00:21:19 ◼   ► life easier if we had these things back then. It's so funny, John, so much of the stuff you

00:21:25 ◼   ► told me about. Our kids are, I think, three or four years apart. We were just looking

00:21:30 ◼   ► at pictures of them back in Wellington. They're so little. But it's so funny, the things you would

00:21:35 ◼   ► say about how your son is like, he's doing like three different things at once on three different

00:21:39 ◼   ► devices. I'm like, "Oh, that's so silly." How would you allow that? And I shot a video the other day

00:21:44 ◼   ► of my kid playing Minecraft while watching on the iPad, while watching Brooklyn Nine-Nine on the TV

00:21:51 ◼   ► as she was on speakerphone with her friend who was also playing Minecraft on an iPad.

00:21:55 ◼   ► It is there. The way they multitask is definitely a multi-device. It's like,

00:22:01 ◼   ► this device is doing this and this one's doing that. And so he's still like a big YouTube. Oh,

00:22:05 ◼   ► yeah. Right. Yep. Yeah. And it's so bizarre. And I'll have like a FaceTime call going with a buddy

00:22:10 ◼   ► in there. Like, I'm like, are you guys watching the same thing? And he's like, no, no,

00:22:14 ◼   ► we're not dating. Right. But you know, maybe this is part of this section is ends up being

00:22:21 ◼   ► somewhat thematic, which is like, you know, anytime you're looking at this stuff, when

00:22:27 ◼   ► you and I were maybe a little bit younger, we could always kind of groan and grunt and

00:22:31 ◼   ► point at the old who just didn't understand. And a certain time was, you know what they

00:22:35 ◼   ► didn't understand? A desktop computer. Like, oh, why do you need that? Why don't you use

00:22:39 ◼   ► a typewriter? And you're like, oh, you poor old man, you don't understand this. And now

00:22:42 ◼   ► we are the ones who are constantly in danger of becoming that. And like the presence of

00:22:46 ◼   ► mind that I think is valuable to hold in your head when it can occur to you is to look at

00:22:51 ◼   ► where this is and where this is going rather than exclusively looking at how it squares

00:22:55 ◼   ► up with what you've done in the past. Like you can get the terminal on lots of stuff,

00:22:59 ◼   ► but you know, just update. That's not the best way to do stuff nowadays. There's a lot

00:23:03 ◼   ► of really nice ways and learning to hue or mold or turn to the way that Apple is going

00:23:10 ◼   ► is not a terrible idea if you want to stay in this ecosystem. All right, let me take

00:23:14 ◼   ► a break here and thank our first special friend. It's our good friend at away. You guys know

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00:23:58 ◼   ► And before they the first time they sponsored the show, they sent me a carry on. This is

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00:24:09 ◼   ► on for years. And the damn thing looks brand new. It's really these things are very, very

00:24:15 ◼   ► well made. The wheels are still in perfect shape. And they even like months ago, they

00:24:19 ◼   ► were like, Hey, do you need a new, you know, do you want us to send you another suitcase?

00:24:22 ◼   ► I'm like, you don't have to send me another suitcase. My other one's still brand new.

00:24:25 ◼   ► I mean, I honestly it's, what am I going to do with the new one? That it's still, it's

00:24:30 ◼   ► like, I could use a new one, john, because they sent me one a few years ago, too. But

00:24:34 ◼   ► mine has been adopted. Like so many things in my home that used to belong to me, they

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00:25:00 ◼   ► You put this thing on top cinch it and then the shirts stay nice and flat while you're abusing your luggage on an airplane

00:25:08 ◼   ► It's great. It's a great little system

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00:26:25 ◼   ► value, great product, really. I mean this sincerely. I don't know what percentage

00:26:29 ◼   ► of listeners of the show are using away suitcases but I'll bet it's pretty high. Did you mention

00:26:33 ◼   ► the charging? No, I didn't even mention the charging carry ons come with the USB during

00:26:39 ◼   ► the lead a little bit because this thing is a but saver. Yeah. And we were just talking

00:26:43 ◼   ► about charging devices. It's got two two USB out ports. So you can sit there at the airport

00:26:48 ◼   ► and charge your devices if you have the right cable. And if you have the right cable that's

00:26:52 ◼   ► on you that don't blame away away travel. But it's it's also a I mean, mine's a few

00:26:57 ◼   ► years old right now, but it's a pretty high capacity battery.

00:27:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm usually able to get like, at least I feel like I

00:27:04 ◼   ► want to say, least serve for full charges out of it. And it's

00:27:07 ◼   ► got a it's got a higher it's got a pretty pretty good capacity

00:27:10 ◼   ► battery battery and it has two ports a well a sorry, that word

00:27:15 ◼   ► choice. It's got two two ports that you can use. So you can

00:27:17 ◼   ► charge two things at once. And one of them is a higher wattage

00:27:19 ◼   ► that will charge your iPad faster.

00:27:20 ◼   ► Now, did you know that you can get a free upgrade? If you have

00:27:24 ◼   ► an older one? I did this.

00:27:25 ◼   ► I need this. I need this. This is how we get the little pop out little toaster effect,

00:27:30 ◼   ► right? So the original, their original design, you could remove the battery,

00:27:33 ◼   ► but you needed like a Phillips head screwdriver and a couple of minutes of work,

00:27:37 ◼   ► which would might be tough if you're at the gate, you know, like the scenario, right?

00:27:42 ◼   ► The scenario where you would need to do this is if you thought you were going to put your suitcase

00:27:45 ◼   ► in the overhead bin and then they're like, we ran out of space. We need to gate check the remaining

00:27:50 ◼   ► bags and you're not supposed to put a lithium-ion battery in a checked bag. So you're supposed

00:27:56 ◼   ► to take the battery out. So some of the airlines now—I don't even know which ones—but

00:28:00 ◼   ► some of them have a policy where if it's not easily removable, you're not supposed

00:28:04 ◼   ► to get it on the airplane at all. And so Away has switched to a different design. You just

00:28:09 ◼   ► pop it, you just punch at it, and it pops right out, pops right back in. But if you've

00:28:13 ◼   ► got their older one, they'll send you a free kit to turn your old mounting thing into

00:28:17 ◼   ► a new one which is great and you're right it's super I don't know how many mega amp

00:28:22 ◼   ► hours you can get at least five charges on an iPhone out of it your management very but

00:28:26 ◼   ► now it's it's it's pretty boss yeah especially if for me because you're not really there

00:28:30 ◼   ► long enough to really like you know hopefully your bat your phone isn't at zero at the airport

00:28:35 ◼   ► but you know just to sit there on while you're waiting for your boarding group to be called

00:28:39 ◼   ► to sit there and you know fill up your iPhone as best you can for 20 minutes or whatever

00:28:43 ◼   ► it's fantastic. Yeah, you'll never be that guy at the airport sitting on the, I always

00:28:48 ◼   ► feel so bad for the people who sit on the floor. Yeah. It's usually, and you know, I

00:28:53 ◼   ► don't know if this isn't intended as punishment, but I am shocked at how often the available

00:28:58 ◼   ► plugs are near a garbage can. So it's usually somebody sitting there with McDonald's next

00:29:02 ◼   ► to a garbage can. You're like, Oh, you've poor son of a bitch. She got in the way, way

00:29:05 ◼   ► travel. Right. And then the other thing too is that at airports there's the newer things

00:29:09 ◼   ► to where there's like a bar, you know, like, and they have stools and it's like, here's a place

00:29:15 ◼   ► that is sort of these are waiting seats where you're, you know, supposed to have your laptop

00:29:20 ◼   ► out or something and there's there's ports for everybody. Those seats are always taken, you can

00:29:25 ◼   ► never get one of those seats. Like I don't even know who these people are like that. Who How do

00:29:29 ◼   ► you get one of these seats and it seems to me like people are like, wow, I'm so lucky I got one of

00:29:33 ◼   ► of these seats, I guess I'll just skip my flight. Stay here. Like I never have to put aside when I'm

00:29:42 ◼   ► traveling with the family and it's not really you can't really get like three of them. But even when

00:29:45 ◼   ► I'm by myself and I've got 40 minutes, you know, I've cruised through security, I've got, you know,

00:29:51 ◼   ► plenty of time to go. I never get one of those seats. So turn, you know, having the charger on

00:29:55 ◼   ► your suitcase and you can sit anywhere and you can you can charge your devices. With you it always,

00:30:02 ◼   ► we always end up doing after the sponsor read we do like a whole segment of

00:30:05 ◼   ► no we travel everybody wait so the one thing i want to say i will to talk about these chargers

00:30:14 ◼   ► is the the weird no no i do i they're good they're real good you know they're also good in a hotel

00:30:20 ◼   ► room where maybe you don't feel like maybe your anger doesn't work because you didn't bring the

00:30:24 ◼   ► right chords no but isn't it but you you mentioned this before where now the chargers the high

00:30:29 ◼   ► capacity ones like the one that comes with the the iPad in the box and I think

00:30:34 ◼   ► it's the one I think it might be the same charger that comes with the MacBook

00:30:37 ◼   ► Air the new air it'll be it looks different to me the one I've been

00:30:41 ◼   ► getting from the Apple Store you can tell me the wattage but it's the one

00:30:45 ◼   ► guys so freaking confusing because there's the tiny little boys that I know

00:30:49 ◼   ► what no the iPad comes with an 18 watt charger that's right it's not the right

00:30:53 ◼   ► And so I have taken stickers out of a Marvel Avengers sticker book and affixed them to

00:30:59 ◼   ► different things.

00:31:00 ◼   ► So I've got a wasp on the low wattage ones and a Hulk on the high wattage ones.

00:31:04 ◼   ► And I'm able to identify, when's the last time you tried to read what the wattage is?

00:31:10 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:31:12 ◼   ► I know your vision is pretty much that of a pirate at this point.

00:31:16 ◼   ► But it's very recently.

00:31:17 ◼   ► I use the triple click.

00:31:18 ◼   ► It's the only way I can read even what the thing is.

00:31:22 ◼   ► it's no because I was looking and I was comparing it and I recently bought a pixel three and that

00:31:29 ◼   ► Google gives you an 18 watt charger with the pixels you know and and it's a very similar

00:31:35 ◼   ► looking thing to the iPad charger except Google's is bigger of course but I'm trying to read what

00:31:41 ◼   ► the wattage is on it and I just gave up and like googled and found like the verges review and it's

00:31:47 ◼   ► It's like, Verge tells me it's an 18 watt charger.

00:31:49 ◼   ► So I was like, all right, it's 18.

00:31:51 ◼   ► I can't read.

00:31:52 ◼   ► - It's one thing for Apple to not tell you exactly

00:31:54 ◼   ► like what RAM is in this, et cetera, et cetera.

00:31:56 ◼   ► It's such an Apple move to A,

00:31:58 ◼   ► make it so you have to unplug it to see what it is.

00:32:02 ◼   ► B, have the writing be comically,

00:32:04 ◼   ► the type size is comically small.

00:32:06 ◼   ► And it's like having EEE over CCC.

00:32:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is.

00:32:10 ◼   ► - It's the lowest contrast decision you could have made.

00:32:13 ◼   ► - It is a very light gray text

00:32:15 ◼   ► on a glossy white background.

00:32:17 ◼   ► - I'm telling you, it's a Marvel stickers.

00:32:22 ◼   ► It'll save your day.

00:32:23 ◼   ► Yeah, no, no, this is,

00:32:24 ◼   ► as long as we're talking about chargers.

00:32:27 ◼   ► Yeah, so we have some setups where we try,

00:32:29 ◼   ► you know, my wife is a grown woman

00:32:32 ◼   ► and she doesn't want the house

00:32:33 ◼   ► to look like a bachelor lives there.

00:32:34 ◼   ► And so I try to make accommodations

00:32:37 ◼   ► where I avoid things like the octopus of cables.

00:32:39 ◼   ► And I really try to have a balance between,

00:32:42 ◼   ► okay, everybody has a place and a way,

00:32:44 ◼   ► 'cause everybody's got iPhones,

00:32:45 ◼   ► everybody's got watches, everybody's got iPads, and we need a place to charge those.

00:32:48 ◼   ► Of course that's my job because nobody else does it, not that I'm complaining,

00:32:51 ◼   ► but we have stations around the house and in one case we've got something that

00:32:56 ◼   ► I think was designed to be a old-fashioned, like a bamboo letter

00:33:00 ◼   ► sorter or folder holder. And so we've got that on a thing in the kitchen and I got

00:33:06 ◼   ► one of those little zip up three channel... have you seen the sleeves you can get?

00:33:11 ◼   ► I forget the brand name, but it's like a sleeve with a zipper on it and three

00:33:15 ◼   ► implied channels in it into which you can put cables and you don't get a big

00:33:19 ◼   ► tangle. Oh yeah. I think I know it's got a little bit of wiring in it,

00:33:23 ◼   ► so it can kind of hold a shape. And because that's mostly hidden,

00:33:26 ◼   ► I loop that around once,

00:33:28 ◼   ► put a bulldog clip on it and stick that behind this thing.

00:33:30 ◼   ► And it's mostly not ugly. I don't love going through the holes,

00:33:33 ◼   ► the channels for those things to do that. It doesn't work for me. So anyway,

00:33:36 ◼   ► we do that.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And that was great because I had three of my Hulk plugs on there.

00:33:41 ◼   ► So regardless of device, any lightning thing you put in there,

00:33:44 ◼   ► you're going to be good. And then as a consideration to my,

00:33:47 ◼   ► my grown ass adult wife,

00:33:48 ◼   ► I put one in the hallway because that's where she tends to leave her phone.

00:33:52 ◼   ► Right? So I'm doing that kind of Berkeley design thing where I'm going to wait

00:33:55 ◼   ► until people make the pass and then I'll put down the concrete and say, Oh,

00:33:58 ◼   ► you leave your phone here. I will give you,

00:34:00 ◼   ► I will accommodate you by putting this charger there with this very low key

00:34:04 ◼   ► wire. You can just kind of pull out and stick in there.

00:34:07 ◼   ► I got one. What are the round wireless chargers? Is it Belkin?

00:34:11 ◼   ► Who's the other one? What's the little round one?

00:34:13 ◼   ► I don't know. I've been buying, you know what I mean?

00:34:16 ◼   ► I've been buying anchor stuff recently.

00:34:18 ◼   ► I love anchor stuff.

00:34:19 ◼   ► So I've got one of those next to where I sit on the couch as well as another

00:34:22 ◼   ► lightning cable.

00:34:23 ◼   ► That's kind of there because everybody needs to charge stuff all the time.

00:34:26 ◼   ► And now we've got USB-C so this system is going to have to change a little bit.

00:34:30 ◼   ► Well, that's the thing, the thing that, that, that,

00:34:33 ◼   ► the transition that our family must go through down with our cables is that the not the end

00:34:39 ◼   ► of the charger that goes into your device, it's the end that goes into the charger, right?

00:34:44 ◼   ► They used to all be used to all be the old USB A or whatever that was called. And now

00:34:48 ◼   ► they're the new trend is that they're USB C. And that means we need new cables at the

00:34:54 ◼   ► other end. And I have to say and with all of the, you know, well, maybe Apple should

00:34:59 ◼   ► just move the iPhone to USB C and then everything's USB C. You know, I see the sense of that argument.

00:35:05 ◼   ► I don't think they're going to do it. But I see the sense of I do I see the desire for

00:35:09 ◼   ► me to not have those cables. But I think that's that's a little early for them to do that given

00:35:13 ◼   ► their install base. Yeah, it's but it I will say though that I need it is weird. USB C on

00:35:20 ◼   ► one end and lightning on the other cable is really weird because USB C and lightning are

00:35:25 ◼   ► so similar in terms, you know, if you really look at it, you can see that USB C is quite

00:35:29 ◼   ► a bit bigger. But that's a weird cable because it, it sort of seems like why are they different?

00:35:34 ◼   ► You know, why shouldn't they, they, they should both be the same, but they're not the same.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Yeah. Well, it's right right now as of the whatever. What's it been now? Probably 18

00:35:45 ◼   ► hours that I've had this in my life. It feels like we have a new family member who we dearly

00:35:51 ◼   ► love and it's very important to our household, but it's not simply just too tall for the

00:35:56 ◼   ► house we live in, but maybe a different shape than most human beings. And we're going to

00:36:00 ◼   ► have to find a way to accommodate that. This is not the end of the world. And we represent

00:36:03 ◼   ► a little bit of an edge case because what are you really looking at? Most people who

00:36:08 ◼   ► own an iPhone, especially if they bought it, this is coming straight out of my ass, but

00:36:12 ◼   ► I would guess that most people who are iPhone users who bought an iPhone in the last two

00:36:19 ◼   ► to four years, primarily, if you should have had a pie graph of their usage, it would be

00:36:24 ◼   ► a vast majority. It would be a big-ass iPhone with a lightning cable, right? I mean, how

00:36:29 ◼   ► many people have an iPad and a laptop and an iPhone? Certainly some, but I think we've

00:36:35 ◼   ► got a little bit of, I don't know, bias based on the people we roll with. In the same way

00:36:41 ◼   ► that like, I'm currently becoming very interested in how much people actually use iPads for

00:36:46 ◼   ► for real non-media jobs.

00:36:48 ◼   ► And it's been super interesting.

00:36:49 ◼   ► Federico's been doing the same thing.

00:36:51 ◼   ► It's very interesting to get feedback

00:36:52 ◼   ► from people who have real big boy jobs and use iPads.

00:36:55 ◼   ► But it would be really easy for us to say like,

00:36:57 ◼   ► well, you know, I have this problem.

00:36:59 ◼   ► Why doesn't everybody fix this?

00:37:00 ◼   ► And like, well, think about Apple, think about scale.

00:37:03 ◼   ► Like you gotta think about people all over the world

00:37:05 ◼   ► needing to make those changes at the same time.

00:37:08 ◼   ► And that's a big ask.

00:37:10 ◼   ► - I think it's weird.

00:37:11 ◼   ► And it's funny 'cause, you know, new iPads come out

00:37:13 ◼   ► And the new iPad Pro is a more interesting device

00:37:17 ◼   ► to write about than like eight months ago

00:37:20 ◼   ► or whatever it was when the quote unquote regular iPads

00:37:23 ◼   ► were updated, you know,

00:37:24 ◼   ► 'cause the regular iPads are mostly about price.

00:37:28 ◼   ► It is about being able to sell them for like 350 bucks.

00:37:31 ◼   ► And so there's no technology in it

00:37:33 ◼   ► that's new and interesting.

00:37:35 ◼   ► It's just, here's a really nice iPad

00:37:38 ◼   ► that's, you know, two or three years behind the cutting edge

00:37:40 ◼   ► and it sells for a lower price.

00:37:41 ◼   ► So that as a reviewer and a nerd, the pro is way more interesting to write about.

00:37:47 ◼   ► But there's a part of me this week, writing my review and talking to other people and

00:37:53 ◼   ► reading the other reviews.

00:37:55 ◼   ► That is like, here we go again, I know that everybody, you know, talking about this whole,

00:38:01 ◼   ► can you do your work on the iPad?

00:38:03 ◼   ► And why not just get a laptop, blah, blah, blah, when everybody, everybody can go on

00:38:08 ◼   ► for thousands of words on this. Everybody can do an hour on their podcast about this.

00:38:13 ◼   ► And it seems like we never get anywhere, right? Like, there's a part of me that I—

00:38:18 ◼   ► It's nothing different from politics, because the kind of—something I've really been

00:38:23 ◼   ► thinking about and prepping for this is like, how often the thing that we're doing is

00:38:27 ◼   ► the most obvious thing in the world. How much we're saying, "Yeah, but what about me?

00:38:31 ◼   ► Like what about the way I think about this?" And that becomes your form of argumentation,

00:38:36 ◼   ► Right is where your form of perceived persuasion when you know, that's not how everybody else thinks about it

00:38:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought I didn't you know

00:38:45 ◼   ► I still have a bunch of tabs open with a bunch of these reviews because it was so busy of a crazy week

00:38:49 ◼   ► It's just crazy doing an iPad Pro review and a MacBook. It's a lot. I mean, especially coming on the heels of the tennis

00:38:56 ◼   ► Yeah, it's it's a lot

00:38:58 ◼   ► But you know, I read some of them and you know, Joanna Stern is always a favorite of mine

00:39:02 ◼   ► And I really enjoyed her MacBook air review

00:39:05 ◼   ► She didn't do the iPad Pro though. Her colleague at the Wall Street Journal, David Pierce did.

00:39:11 ◼   ► A lot of these people who work at real publications only had to review one of the products. It was like

00:39:17 ◼   ► me and Jason Snell, I think, who... Oh, poor Jason. Jason did, I think he did all three. I know he'd

00:39:26 ◼   ► read, I know he did Mac Mini. I think the iPad, yeah, so on upgrade they talked about the laptop

00:39:32 ◼   ► in the mini, but they're holding off the iPad till next week, I think. But what was the

00:39:39 ◼   ► Wall Street Journal guys? David Pierce. David Pierce. He used to be at I think he was at

00:39:43 ◼   ► Wired for a while. And then he's like one of these guys can't hold the job. Yeah, he

00:39:49 ◼   ► was at the verge back in the day. I joke, but it's funny when you're inside this. There's

00:39:55 ◼   ► Just a lot of movement in these jobs people. Mm-hmm people are bouncing around

00:39:59 ◼   ► Right exactly it's true it is true a lot of grenades are still rolling around

00:40:06 ◼   ► Thanks Facebook, but his review was I

00:40:09 ◼   ► Thought I thought it was fair and I think that it was very honest from his perspective

00:40:15 ◼   ► but it was if there's a there's a trend in these it's

00:40:20 ◼   ► It is iPad reviews that say you can't replace your laptop with this

00:40:26 ◼   ► Where good buddy in the light Patel well well well

00:40:29 ◼   ► But I thought neil eyes was a better take on this because I thought that it with pierces

00:40:33 ◼   ► I thought that it's a common problem where he's using the second person you when he really means first person him

00:40:40 ◼   ► You know I can't replace my laptop with an iPad and that's where I am personally me personally John Gruber

00:40:48 ◼   ► I really feel like if I needed to do work, and I don't even do video. I don't even do video on my

00:40:54 ◼   ► review. So, you know, and I don't do a lot of photography. And you have somebody else at your

00:40:59 ◼   ► podcast? Yeah, yeah, I do. Honestly, honestly, I mean, you're not sitting there in fair, right?

00:41:04 ◼   ► All right. But there's a couple of scenarios immediate, you know, people who do video editing

00:41:08 ◼   ► and audio editing, there's a lot of those are the people who are saying, Look, I can't my workflow

00:41:12 ◼   ► can't move from the Mac to iOS or or if it does, it requires so

00:41:18 ◼   ► much fiddliness that it's not worth it. I'm not there. But

00:41:22 ◼   ► even me, I just feel like I always, you know, my analogy is

00:41:26 ◼   ► I just feel like I've put mittens on at times, and I'm

00:41:30 ◼   ► trying to trying to use this thing with a pair of mittens

00:41:32 ◼   ► covering both hands. And if I could, you know, switching to a

00:41:35 ◼   ► MacBook would be like taking the mittens off. That's just me. But

00:41:38 ◼   ► I try to keep it in mind at all times that this is a very first

00:41:41 ◼   ► person thing for me. And I see other people who are doing amazing amounts of work on their

00:41:46 ◼   ► iPad and really liking it. And so, you know, I try not to get into it. But I felt like

00:41:51 ◼   ► pierces was more about his specific needs and his scenarios were things like, well,

00:41:55 ◼   ► not everybody has to do that. And whereas I thought neil eyes was was a better take

00:41:59 ◼   ► neil eyes take at the verge was, was really generous. Well, and just really interesting.

00:42:05 ◼   ► And you know, like he mentioned specifically, that, you know, and I think it sticks out

00:42:11 ◼   ► like a sore thumb that that okay, we've switched to USB C and you could take a USB C like thumb

00:42:16 ◼   ► drive and you can't put Yeah, you can stick it in the iPad like, and I in the world when

00:42:22 ◼   ► they come up in files, it's the single most obvious thing in the world, right? I don't

00:42:26 ◼   ► and I don't think that it should you know, like the moment you plug it in that it should

00:42:29 ◼   ► pop up automatically and put something in your face and take over your screen. Like

00:42:35 ◼   ► if you had a copy of Trent almost like if you had a copy of transmit on your Mac and

00:42:39 ◼   ► it couldn't see files on the computer. Yeah. It's just well, no, I can't really FTP if

00:42:44 ◼   ► I can't get to my stuff. You're like, well, that's not really what it's for. It's forgetting

00:42:48 ◼   ► it's forgetting to remote directories. And there is I thought like new eyes review kind

00:42:52 ◼   ► of got to where Apple is trying to have it both ways. So Adobe's stuff featured very

00:42:59 ◼   ► heavily in their iPad Pro demos during the event in their demos in the hands on area

00:43:07 ◼   ► last week after the event, and then some of the promotional stuff that they are talking about,

00:43:11 ◼   ► but they, you know, and rightly so that they, you know, this, like the Photoshop for iPad looks

00:43:16 ◼   ► amazing. Lightroom on the iPad is right now because the Photoshop at least is you could

00:43:23 ◼   ► at least put an asterisk because it's coming in 2019. You know, there's there's like the verge

00:43:27 ◼   ► has access to the beta right now. It works. It's definitely you know, close enough to shipping

00:43:32 ◼   ► where it's usable, but it's clearly a beta. But Lightroom is a real thing for the iPad right now.

00:43:38 ◼   ► And I mentioned that they had these photos by Austin Mann, who was there at the event and at

00:43:46 ◼   ► the hands-on area. And he shot these photos—I forget where he was. He's seriously like—he

00:43:52 ◼   ► and his wife are like a mini National Geographic. 50 megapixel images from this amazing-looking

00:44:01 ◼   ► hassle bed, hassle, blad camera, Louise, and Lightroom just goes through and he's sitting

00:44:08 ◼   ► there and he's, you know, it's not like if I were doing it, it's like, well, I'll just

00:44:11 ◼   ► make it look black and white. I mean, this is a professional photographer with a great

00:44:15 ◼   ► eye and he's adjusting and he's de hazing, you know, like the de hazing is actually have

00:44:19 ◼   ► you looked at this and no, I haven't. It's like, it's magic. It's like something that

00:44:25 ◼   ► requires like maybe not AI, but it requires some inference about what constitutes a's.

00:44:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it is. I think it is AI. I don't know. And Adobe has this anti, you know, Adobe has

00:44:35 ◼   ► figured it out and it's amazing. So you have this image and it kind of looks cool, but

00:44:39 ◼   ► then you de haze it and it's like, Oh my God, I can't believe that's the same image. Wow.

00:44:43 ◼   ► But anyway, all of these things happen instantaneously, which makes it look like either these were

00:44:48 ◼   ► tiny little thumbnail images, you know, just, you know, 2000 by 2000 pixels or something,

00:44:53 ◼   ► not 50 megapixel or that these results were pre rendered and you're tapping these things

00:44:59 ◼   ► and you know, here's all these pre rendered results you can flip through but no, it's

00:45:02 ◼   ► all happening live on 50 megapixel raw images. It truly as a computer, it is truly a phenomenal

00:45:10 ◼   ► device in terms of you know, mega flops, whatever, you know, whatever you want to say about speed

00:45:14 ◼   ► is incredibly fast and it is doing things that you just have no expectation that it

00:45:19 ◼   ► would be that fast. And again, it wasn't why Apple set it up. I mentioned this on my show

00:45:25 ◼   ► last week, but they had a 15 inch MacBook Pro next door. And the reason they had it

00:45:30 ◼   ► there was to show you the Adobe CC lifestyle where you can make these changes on one device.

00:45:37 ◼   ► And it all goes through the creative cloud. And here you can see the same image and the

00:45:40 ◼   ► same changes you made instantly sync over to this other device. But the thing I did

00:45:44 ◼   ► on this MacBook Pro, which is, you know, loaded to the gills is probably like a $6,000 MacBook

00:45:49 ◼   ► Pro is open the same image and just pinch to zoom. And it wasn't slow, but it wasn't

00:45:54 ◼   ► like butter smooth and it's like so the iPad is blowing away it butter smooth when you

00:45:59 ◼   ► pinch to zoom on the iPad with these gigantic ginormous images. But yet what neil I pointed

00:46:06 ◼   ► out is the workflow of getting images into Lightroom on the iPad is kind of ridiculous

00:46:11 ◼   ► because when you plug in a camera or a SD card reader, the only app that can deal with

00:46:19 ◼   ► it is the photos app. And so you it's like built into the system. So the photos app recognizes

00:46:26 ◼   ► it and appears and says, Oh, okay, I see you've plugged in a camera. Would you like me to

00:46:30 ◼   ► import? Oh, that's so interesting. Because yeah, I mean, I guess in some ways, in some

00:46:35 ◼   ► ways, that absolutely makes sense. Because what else would you want to put it in? Unless

00:46:38 ◼   ► you're getting into a world where you've got stuff? So how do you get it? How do you get

00:46:42 ◼   ► lightroom get to put into files first? Yeah, what? No, you have to put it you go into photos,

00:46:47 ◼   ► and then somehow you've got to import from photos into Lightroom and, and like Neil,

00:46:51 ◼   ► I pointed this out to Apple. Well, and Apple said, well, you know, and he said very proudly

00:46:57 ◼   ► that Adobe is publishing a series shortcut that will import images from the photo, the

00:47:04 ◼   ► system camera roll into Lightroom and delete those images from the camera roll. So they're

00:47:09 ◼   ► not sitting there taking up your, your camera roll. It's accomplished through a series shortcut.

00:47:14 ◼   ► And this shortcut isn't out yet.

00:47:16 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:18 ◼   ► But it's like that is ridiculous, though.

00:47:21 ◼   ► It's like watch it run and stuff like in a regular Siri shortcut.

00:47:25 ◼   ► It just seems like a ridiculous workflow.

00:47:26 ◼   ► It's so Rube Goldberg.

00:47:27 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:28 ◼   ► It's like the better way, the more direct way to do it is to import on a Mac first and

00:47:33 ◼   ► then just open your iPad and have them appear through the cloud.

00:47:36 ◼   ► But that's not the message.

00:47:38 ◼   ► The message isn't, well, first step, go to a Mac.

00:47:42 ◼   ► Right?

00:47:43 ◼   ► one of those things. Like when step one is go to a Mac.

00:47:45 ◼   ► Now you really knew they blew it. Yeah. It's right. When your Mac is your stylus, like

00:47:50 ◼   ► you've got to go. Yeah. I, yeah. It's interesting because you're pointing out something that's

00:47:54 ◼   ► so interesting, which is like you show capabilities in these demos. Right. And God, I wish I could

00:48:01 ◼   ► remember it was John Hicks was talked about this app that he was using on iPad. It was

00:48:05 ◼   ► 20 bucks and I bought it last night and I was trying to find the name of it, but it's

00:48:08 ◼   ► this astonishing new drawing app with vectors and layers.

00:48:12 ◼   ► And I opened it up and I just closed it

00:48:14 ◼   ► because it was freaking me out so much.

00:48:15 ◼   ► It's incredible what this thing can do.

00:48:17 ◼   ► Layers and layers and layers and layers and layers.

00:48:19 ◼   ► I'll find it for show notes.

00:48:21 ◼   ► And so certainly you show off those sort of capabilities

00:48:24 ◼   ► where you go like, OK, if we added this down,

00:48:26 ◼   ► this is a thing that you can do.

00:48:27 ◼   ► And you're like, wow, that's really cool.

00:48:29 ◼   ► But then you're like, hmm, how does that scale up

00:48:32 ◼   ► if we want to really do that?

00:48:33 ◼   ► And in the case of something David Sparks used

00:48:35 ◼   ► to talk about years ago before iCloud syncing got good,

00:48:38 ◼   ► Like, are you gonna trust, you know, the early versions of iCloud sync to hold your career as an attorney?

00:48:45 ◼   ► Where that that that is now something he can do.

00:48:48 ◼   ► They have scaled that up and that now works and you can have folders and it works across all the things.

00:48:52 ◼   ► But once again, now we're in a funny little in between area where that yes, this has this capability that curl your hair.

00:48:58 ◼   ► But like, you know, good luck this week trying to use that as a professional.

00:49:02 ◼   ► Isn't that kind of part of the sticking point?

00:49:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

00:49:06 ◼   ► It just seems just seems a little spiteful. I use the word spiteful and it just feels

00:49:12 ◼   ► spiteful. It feels like, Oh, come on, this thing is so powerful and here's this USB drive

00:49:16 ◼   ► and I know that you speak USB and I can connect them and then nothing happens. Yeah. Yeah.

00:49:24 ◼   ► I don't know. I mean the only part about that that feels, I certainly wouldn't say dishonest,

00:49:29 ◼   ► but feels a little bit sketchy where you get into the asterisks is like I say, like how

00:49:33 ◼   ► you would use this thing in the field. Something that our good friend Marco Arment runs against,

00:49:37 ◼   ► I just think this is the classic example, is that what do you do with a one port professional

00:49:40 ◼   ► computer if you need to record a podcast? Like you think you live in dongle town now,

00:49:45 ◼   ► well welcome to dongle-tropolis, because that's good luck even trying to make that happen.

00:49:49 ◼   ► Something that seems like it should be so straightforward with a professional laptop.

00:49:53 ◼   ► But you know, this is my, so that's frustrating when you see the demo of the capability, but

00:49:59 ◼   ► then you are. And I'm not Federico, forgive me.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I'm not trying to say it is strictly an iOS software problem.

00:50:05 ◼   ► There's tons you can do. I keep returning to this one thing.

00:50:08 ◼   ► Every time I look at this, yes, this is the thing that is developing.

00:50:10 ◼   ► We're still so far ahead of where we were years ago, but with all of this stuff,

00:50:15 ◼   ► I still, I'm always,

00:50:16 ◼   ► I've become very sensitive to looking for the old man part of this. Yeah. Um,

00:50:20 ◼   ► and it's not always, it's not always germane.

00:50:22 ◼   ► Sometimes it is that Apple's just being stubborn or they're not ready to release

00:50:25 ◼   ► this cause it's not good enough for whatever it is.

00:50:26 ◼   ► maybe they're being spiteful, who knows. But I do try to always find the old man part in

00:50:31 ◼   ► all of this. Am I being an old man here? The same kind of people who were like, you know,

00:50:36 ◼   ► well think about when we, when you first got, you know, power books and, and, and, or, you

00:50:40 ◼   ► know, or any kind of like a laptop, the people who just let alone that it was a Mac laptop,

00:50:44 ◼   ► they just thought you were so silly. You'll never be, you, you're a child. You, that might

00:50:49 ◼   ► as well say Fisher Price on it. And now, I mean, and the truth was you could do a fair

00:50:52 ◼   ► amount then, and you can do even more now because that's how it works. But you and I

00:50:56 ◼   ► both have people who live in our household that we can look to for how a non-old person

00:51:01 ◼   ► looks at this stuff, and I try to never miss an opportunity. Even when they're doing a

00:51:05 ◼   ► quote unquote "wrong," I try to look to that. And I do think this is super valuable because

00:51:11 ◼   ► -- how can I put this? I don't have a smart way to say this -- but however we arrive where

00:51:16 ◼   ► we are in feeling that we have expertise with something, even if you can demonstrate that

00:51:20 ◼   ► expertise, you can prove that expertise. You can, in fact, I'm talking about expertise in a job,

00:51:25 ◼   ► not just with a given technical skill, right? But there are people you know, who are crazy smart and

00:51:30 ◼   ► experienced, who have gotten somehow, let's for a minute avoid how they got there. But we can take

00:51:34 ◼   ► it as read that this person really knows their stuff in their sort of domain, the work that they

00:51:40 ◼   ► do and the tools that they use in order to achieve it, right? I mean, we can certainly look at people

00:51:45 ◼   ► like that. Now, now what's interesting about that is some of the skills are things we started

00:51:49 ◼   ► learning. Think about the skills we started learning in the 80s and 90s and the problems

00:51:53 ◼   ► that we were going to solve with those skills. The tools that were available to us both educationally

00:52:00 ◼   ► and professionally. I guess what I'm trying to say is that is it not possible that there

00:52:05 ◼   ► will be a path to expertise in the future that doesn't take the same precise winding

00:52:10 ◼   ► road you and I took? And I think we always have to keep that in mind. So when I look

00:52:14 ◼   ► at somebody sitting in a Starbucks typing on the keyboard of an iPad and

00:52:19 ◼   ► I'm like oh god that looks I can't do that that is brutal there's no key

00:52:23 ◼   ► travel like how are you doing that and yet look at how many people that are

00:52:28 ◼   ► under 25 are totally happy to type on an iPad no right and but so something like

00:52:33 ◼   ► you and me like we all you gotta have your DOS keyboard like oh what do you

00:52:36 ◼   ► or your in your case your extended keyboard I guess I'm just trying to say

00:52:39 ◼   ► like I think we have to I think it's important to keep in mind that that long

00:52:43 ◼   ► long winding road to expertise, success via experience,

00:52:47 ◼   ► does not have to take the same shape that we did

00:52:50 ◼   ► in order for people to be successful.

00:52:52 ◼   ► I realize I'm beating this into the ground,

00:52:54 ◼   ► except this is something I so struggle with.

00:52:56 ◼   ► And I've talked to Syracuse about this at length

00:52:58 ◼   ► on Reconcilable Differences,

00:52:59 ◼   ► but my kid's sitting there with her Chromebook,

00:53:01 ◼   ► doing her homework in Google Docs,

00:53:03 ◼   ► and I'm like, "Oh my God, you're doing everything so wrong.

00:53:06 ◼   ► "Stop using the touchpad for everything.

00:53:08 ◼   ► "Learn the commands."

00:53:10 ◼   ► But you know, she hasn't died.

00:53:11 ◼   ► She hasn't exploded yet.

00:53:12 ◼   ► she's learning as she goes. But her path to whatever comes in her future must necessarily

00:53:18 ◼   ► take a different path than I took. And I really try to keep that in mind. It's not an excuse

00:53:22 ◼   ► for saying like, hey, it'd be great if the capabilities demonstrated here were supported

00:53:26 ◼   ► by an infrastructure that makes that scalable for professionals. But I think we also have

00:53:30 ◼   ► to watch the way the wind is blowing. I'm carrying on but do you kind of get what I'm

00:53:34 ◼   ► saying?

00:53:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I do. I you know, but then there's other problems where it there is no new way. Like

00:53:39 ◼   ► if the problem, like, I was talking to the verge guys after the event, you know, uh,

00:53:44 ◼   ► you know, in the media area and they were, they were just saying like, look,

00:53:48 ◼   ► look at our scenario, there's like three or four of them. Uh,

00:53:51 ◼   ► they're shooting with a standalone camera. They've got all this video footage.

00:53:55 ◼   ► And you know, these guys turn out the video like immediately, like they go up,

00:54:00 ◼   ► they rush into the hands-on area, they shoot some, what do they call it?

00:54:04 ◼   ► Like B roll footage. And you know,

00:54:06 ◼   ► They're shooting footage of the new iPad Pro shots of people like holding the iPad from different angles, right?

00:54:11 ◼   ► Meanwhile, yeah, maybe neil I is is is writing his narration for it

00:54:16 ◼   ► And then they you know within you know by like one o'clock in the afternoon Eastern Time

00:54:20 ◼   ► They've got like a video up on their site, you know, like a nice little four-minute very professional video

00:54:25 ◼   ► That gets tens of thousands of views immediately

00:54:30 ◼   ► And and they were like, well, how do you know? How would we do this on an iPad?

00:54:34 ◼   ► we've got all of this video footage, we've got a recording of audio, we need it, you

00:54:39 ◼   ► know, we need a USB microphone to get, you know, good quality audio for the narration.

00:54:45 ◼   ► How do we do how would we if I've got, you know, this 4k video here, and we need it there

00:54:51 ◼   ► on your machine, because you're the one who's going to edit it, how do we move this big,

00:54:55 ◼   ► you know, multi gigabyte video over there with if you don't have USB reader? I mean,

00:55:00 ◼   ► It's the sneaker net problem has still never gone away.

00:55:03 ◼   ► Like, cause eventually you're going to run into something where the files are big enough,

00:55:08 ◼   ► where you can't reliably shoot them over the air at each other.

00:55:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:14 ◼   ► And I don't know, I guess, I guess I would look at that and I don't know.

00:55:18 ◼   ► I mean, has Apple implicitly promised that you won't need backs anymore?

00:55:23 ◼   ► Cause I don't know.

00:55:24 ◼   ► I don't feel like that's on the table at all.

00:55:25 ◼   ► I think what they're saying is we're giving you, I mean, not, not, not to go back to,

00:55:29 ◼   ► I-- like SirQsa, I think automobile analogies often

00:55:33 ◼   ► fall short.

00:55:33 ◼   ► But there are times when the car versus truck analogy

00:55:36 ◼   ► does make a lot of sense, I think.

00:55:38 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, like, in any profession,

00:55:42 ◼   ► you choose the tools that you need and like to use

00:55:46 ◼   ► and work best for you, and you get great at them.

00:55:48 ◼   ► And in that case, yeah, that's a place where they got

00:55:50 ◼   ► room to improve, for sure.

00:55:54 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know.

00:55:55 ◼   ► I don't know what the next step looks like.

00:55:56 ◼   ► I would love to be a fly on the wall

00:55:58 ◼   ► to see what

00:56:01 ◼   ► IOS

00:56:02 ◼   ► as an interface looks like in the next two years. I think it's really fascinating

00:56:06 ◼   ► to think about where they're going to go next.

00:56:08 ◼   ► This device, this new iPad I've got, is now fast enough

00:56:12 ◼   ► that I, for the first time, it doesn't feel

00:56:15 ◼   ► onerous to create, what's the technical name for it, when you drag

00:56:19 ◼   ► over to the right and you pull up a second app.

00:56:22 ◼   ► What is that called? I don't know.

00:56:25 ◼   ► I know what you mean.

00:56:26 ◼   ► I don't use it much because it's kind of a pain.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Honestly, this is one area where they can--

00:56:32 ◼   ► so let's go back to this earlier thing.

00:56:34 ◼   ► Let's show some capabilities.

00:56:36 ◼   ► Here's a really cool capability.

00:56:37 ◼   ► Let's say you're looking at Safari

00:56:39 ◼   ► and you want to make some notes for a report that you're doing.

00:56:41 ◼   ► So you drag notes up to the right.

00:56:43 ◼   ► You can change how wide it is.

00:56:44 ◼   ► That's really cool.

00:56:45 ◼   ► It's not difficult, but it's not crazy easy.

00:56:48 ◼   ► And it's certainly not crazy fast.

00:56:50 ◼   ► And if it's not already in the doc,

00:56:52 ◼   ► you're going to need to do-- do you remember the theatrics you

00:56:54 ◼   ► would have to do with two fingers to get stuff up from the dock. I personally did not spend

00:56:58 ◼   ► a ton of time on it. I don't even know the name of it. I just don't use it that much.

00:57:01 ◼   ► I believe to a certainty there are people who do. What I noticed last night, just for

00:57:06 ◼   ► fun I said, "Oh, I'll just grab this thing from the dock and pull it over." Talk about

00:57:10 ◼   ► butter smooth, that worked great. But the basic concept of how you get to stuff that's

00:57:15 ◼   ► not in the dock is still not surpassingly pretty. And I don't know what that's going

00:57:19 ◼   ► to look like, let alone how we're going to see all the pipes and wires underneath that

00:57:22 ◼   ► in the next two years that would accommodate things like your Lightroom thing you're talking

00:57:27 ◼   ► about. Yeah. And I, I, I wanted to talk about this multitasking thing because again, I don't

00:57:32 ◼   ► doubt that there are people who swear by it, but to me it never seems worthwhile and I'll

00:57:37 ◼   ► just through observation I can point out, like I said, my wife is an avid iPad user.

00:57:41 ◼   ► It is her main computer. She spends more time, like she even gets the reports now, you know,

00:57:46 ◼   ► with the screen time, screen time. Yeah. I mean, and you know, her, her, she doesn't

00:57:51 ◼   ► use her phone a lot. She's just not a big phone nerd like I am my phone numbers are

00:57:56 ◼   ► gross. You know, it's like 200 pickups a day or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I don't

00:58:02 ◼   ► like that number. Well, I don't mind it. I'm not embarrassed by it. Of course. I'm not

00:58:06 ◼   ► surprised by it. So it's, you know, it doesn't bother me to look at it. I'm fully accepted

00:58:13 ◼   ► that I look at my phone all the time, but her iPad numbers are huge. She never uses

00:58:16 ◼   ► the multitasking features. She uses it the way the iPad to me was intended all along

00:58:21 ◼   ► where it is one thing at a time and it takes up the whole screen. But I also think though

00:58:25 ◼   ► that it is kind of weird. Like, like what do you use for Twitter? Do you do? I use the

00:58:31 ◼   ► tweet bot everywhere. Oh, you don't want to know. Okay. When I'm doing stuff for myself,

00:58:35 ◼   ► I usually use the Twitter app. When I'm doing stuff for my shows, I use tweet bot on, on

00:58:40 ◼   ► iOS, but it, the 12 point, that's not very fashionable, but I, I do, I do like some,

00:58:46 ◼   ► aspects of the regular Twitter app. But yeah, that's that's pretty much it. I always use

00:58:51 ◼   ► tweet bot in a in a relatively narrow window, like, effectively like a phone, you know that

00:58:57 ◼   ► whether I'm on a Mac or anywhere else, it's Twitter is a thing to me that goes in a long

00:59:02 ◼   ► skinny window. messages like when I'm messages doesn't make a ton of sense. I accidentally

00:59:08 ◼   ► hit whichever laws inch green, yellow, red laws and makes it fill the screen. I was a

00:59:12 ◼   ► aghast. It's not good for that. It's just it. It's not good because you get like, there's

00:59:19 ◼   ► you just get these crazy long lines of text that are actually unpleasant. You know, there's

00:59:25 ◼   ► there's a reason why books don't have 200 lines of characters, 200 characters per line.

00:59:31 ◼   ► It's supposed to be kind of skinny so that the paragraphs wrap to a certain size. Your

00:59:35 ◼   ► I wanted to be about 65 karat. Right. And there's no good way like when you've got the

00:59:39 ◼   ► 12.9 inch iPad in laptop mode, you know, you got it connected to the keyboard, there's

00:59:44 ◼   ► no good way to just have your Twitter client be a skinny window. Like you've got to even

00:59:48 ◼   ► to make it skinny, you've got to set up a second app to, you know, that may or may not

00:59:53 ◼   ► go with it. I don't know, I find the whole thing very, very convoluted. I feel like Apple

00:59:58 ◼   ► has over I don't know, it's very hard for me to express it, but I just can't help but

01:00:02 ◼   ► think that it's too clever by far.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Oh, I agree. And again, it's very important this particular week that I keep all of my

01:00:12 ◼   ► friends and say, "Yes, I have no doubt at all that there are people using multiple sets

01:00:16 ◼   ► of multiple windows." But you know, the nice thing is also that I feel like there is a

01:00:21 ◼   ► – I overuse this phrase – I feel like there's a little bit of a sleeping giant

01:00:23 ◼   ► out there, because I wonder how much people use extensions. Extensions do so much. Let's

01:00:29 ◼   ► Let me put it differently.

01:00:30 ◼   ► There are not that many occasions

01:00:32 ◼   ► when I need to persistently look at two different apps

01:00:35 ◼   ► on an iPad.

01:00:36 ◼   ► It certainly happens, and it's convenient,

01:00:37 ◼   ► but honestly, what I need is a conduit

01:00:40 ◼   ► for moving information from one place to another.

01:00:43 ◼   ► I mean, the one thing that's been there

01:00:44 ◼   ► for a couple, three years now

01:00:45 ◼   ► that I think is just dynamite is,

01:00:47 ◼   ► in your case, you do all your stuff in Notes.

01:00:48 ◼   ► I do my stuff mostly in drafts

01:00:50 ◼   ► or the increasingly moribund elements,

01:00:54 ◼   ► but what is great is if it's getting around holiday

01:00:56 ◼   ► birthday time, I could be looking at the web and I'm on a page, an Amazon page or whatever

01:01:02 ◼   ► page, and I can hit that little up arrow and send that to the shared note with my wife.

01:01:06 ◼   ► It makes a smart card and it drops that in as this beautiful clickable thing that we

01:01:11 ◼   ► can share now. Or I could send it to messages or I could do whatever. John, I know that

01:01:15 ◼   ► extensions is there and I could bet you like Street Fight style. I use extensions more

01:01:19 ◼   ► than 80% of other users. I still forget that I don't need to copy the URL out of Safari

01:01:25 ◼   ► to put it into messages.

01:01:27 ◼   ► All I need to do--

01:01:28 ◼   ► I mean, if you want to send your wife a YouTube video,

01:01:31 ◼   ► how do you do it right now on your phone?

01:01:33 ◼   ► Do you use the extension?

01:01:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I think I do.

01:01:36 ◼   ► See, I'm trying to wean myself off the copy and paste.

01:01:39 ◼   ► But like, per 25 minutes ago, that's a very 1991 thing to do.

01:01:45 ◼   ► The extensions change the game.

01:01:47 ◼   ► So for me, extensions and the swipey at the bottom--

01:01:50 ◼   ► I love the swipey bottom gesture to get between--

01:01:53 ◼   ► that's a terrible--

01:01:54 ◼   ► I know exactly what you mean. I love it. No.

01:01:56 ◼   ► - The swipey bottom is like for me,

01:01:58 ◼   ► the way that I get around the swipey uppy

01:01:59 ◼   ► to move between cards or move between apps.

01:02:02 ◼   ► I use those two a lot,

01:02:03 ◼   ► but they're for two very specifically

01:02:06 ◼   ► different kinds of things.

01:02:07 ◼   ► One is I need to move information

01:02:09 ◼   ► from one place to another.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Try to make yourself remember

01:02:12 ◼   ► there's probably an extension for that

01:02:13 ◼   ► 'cause it will save you so much time and effort.

01:02:16 ◼   ► I'm real good at hitting.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Instapaper is my first icon

01:02:19 ◼   ► in most of the apps on the left.

01:02:21 ◼   ► So I'm always adding stuff to Instapaper

01:02:23 ◼   ► that I occasionally read,

01:02:24 ◼   ► But that's really easy to do.

01:02:25 ◼   ► As far as the moving between apps,

01:02:27 ◼   ► that's usually because I wanna be doing

01:02:29 ◼   ► something different now,

01:02:30 ◼   ► or I wanna see something different now.

01:02:31 ◼   ► But I don't know, I mean, the demo value

01:02:36 ◼   ► of having those two apps open at the same time is very high.

01:02:39 ◼   ► I just have not found that many cases

01:02:41 ◼   ► where it's worth the effort to make it happen.

01:02:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, do you use Command + Tab on the iPad?

01:02:45 ◼   ► - Heavily.

01:02:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I don't-- - Right now, I've got,

01:02:48 ◼   ► right now, are you talking about using external keyboard?

01:02:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, using it, like usually, you know, with the iPad,

01:02:52 ◼   ► It's the Apple keyboard.

01:02:55 ◼   ► - I've got this thing, I've had this for years.

01:02:57 ◼   ► Right now, sitting on my desk, I have the Logitech K760.

01:03:00 ◼   ► It's not by any stretch.

01:03:01 ◼   ► I have many, many of these Bluetooth keyboards.

01:03:04 ◼   ► This is the one I just happen to keep at work

01:03:05 ◼   ► 'cause it's not as loud as my DOS.

01:03:08 ◼   ► And it's got the dingus where you can hit

01:03:11 ◼   ► the different Bluetooth keys to move between devices.

01:03:14 ◼   ► I just, I feel like people would,

01:03:17 ◼   ► their minds would be blown if they realize,

01:03:19 ◼   ► on the one hand how much stuff you can do with a keyboard

01:03:22 ◼   ► like a full feature keyboard not just the folio one a full feature keyboard

01:03:26 ◼   ► on an iPad in particular and as always with these things then what you end up

01:03:31 ◼   ► discovering is you discover how much you more you wish it could do

01:03:34 ◼   ► but it is very very powerful there are apps like so sometimes open up drafts

01:03:38 ◼   ► a recent copy of drafts and hit the show me

01:03:41 ◼   ► show me available keys what is that I don't even know command

01:03:45 ◼   ► a question mark or whatever yeah it'll blow it has multiple pages

01:03:48 ◼   ► things you can do with the keyboard and dress you have to go to pages to see all the stuff you can do

01:03:52 ◼   ► to answer your question. Yes, that I use that a lot by and large, especially with the smaller one,

01:03:57 ◼   ► I mostly use it in my hands. Right now I have the big boy sitting in front of me.

01:04:01 ◼   ► But I don't you think it's weird. I think it's weird that when you're command tabbing in the

01:04:06 ◼   ► iPad that when you have two apps multitasking together side by side in the command tab

01:04:11 ◼   ► interface, they're sort of married together. It's I don't know why it just gonna show you how often

01:04:17 ◼   ► I do this so I'm gonna go recreate what you're talking about right now. It's just a weird thing

01:04:21 ◼   ► like and so if you've got like Safari on the left and and like you said notes on the right because

01:04:27 ◼   ► you're taking notes about a thing that you're reading and it's helpful to have them side by

01:04:30 ◼   ► side but if you just want to keep Safari where it is on the left and then replace the thing on the

01:04:34 ◼   ► right with oh if your focal in the right one if your cursor is in the right one and you switch you

01:04:40 ◼   ► think that should change out I don't know I don't know what they should do it just seems to me like

01:04:44 ◼   ► they should rethink the whole thing. And I know that there were rumors of a major iPad interface

01:04:51 ◼   ► update for iOS 12 that got shelved last year on the grounds of let's just focus on reliability and

01:04:59 ◼   ► making the whole system, let's punt for a year on these UI changes and just make what we have work

01:05:07 ◼   ► better. And hats off to Apple. There were- Oh, yes, yes, yes. I love those years. I love the S

01:05:13 ◼   ► years. Well, I bet you know, like, I remember, like when when I was 12, shipped a month or two ago,

01:05:17 ◼   ► and people, you know, like, a couple of reviewers, like, put it on an older iPhone. And indeed,

01:05:23 ◼   ► it was faster. You know, it's like, I mean, my daughter's success. Right? Real, real speedy.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Yeah. So it's, and that was great that what they said they were going to do, and they did it,

01:05:32 ◼   ► but it's, I can't help but hope, I seriously hope that they have really big ideas for the

01:05:38 ◼   ► iPad interface in terms of multitasking and stuff like that. Because I just feel like

01:05:43 ◼   ► the way things stand right now, it's—I don't know. It still seems to me like the

01:05:48 ◼   ► native way to do everything is just go to the home screen, tap an icon, have it fill

01:05:53 ◼   ► the screen, go back to the home screen.

01:05:55 ◼   ► Steve McLaughlin Well, and so let me just throw this back at

01:05:59 ◼   ► you one more time. Why is that? That's because you probably had some kind of smartphone in

01:06:03 ◼   ► the past, but definitely you fell in love with the iPhone, right? And using the iPhone

01:06:07 ◼   ► is how you started.

01:06:08 ◼   ► - No, I never had a smartphone before the iPhone.

01:06:10 ◼   ► - Never at all.

01:06:10 ◼   ► You always had a feature phone.

01:06:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, like a $10.

01:06:13 ◼   ► - But the point being, once you got on an iPhone,

01:06:15 ◼   ► you never looked back.

01:06:16 ◼   ► And so that's like, even to this day,

01:06:18 ◼   ► there's still things I need to unlearn

01:06:20 ◼   ► based on nine years at that time of using an iPhone.

01:06:24 ◼   ► It's crazy.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Affinity Designer for iPad by Serif

01:06:28 ◼   ► is the name of that app, by the way.

01:06:30 ◼   ► - Those guys are amazing, the Affinity people.

01:06:32 ◼   ► - This thing's crazy.

01:06:35 ◼   ► I'll put it in notes.

01:06:36 ◼   ► - All right.

01:06:37 ◼   ► I just typed it in the note, but whatever.

01:06:38 ◼   ► - Wait, undo, undo.

01:06:42 ◼   ► Oh no, it just works.

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01:09:09 ◼   ► I don't like using HTML. So I just sent you another image that I would like you to look

01:09:14 ◼   ► at. So when I want to update my page, I don't even use the WYSIWYG. I write everything in

01:09:21 ◼   ► Markdown in NV alt. I keep that in one running file and then I copy and paste that and I

01:09:27 ◼   ► I just drop it into a big markdown field and that's how I update the page.

01:09:31 ◼   ► I don't know if everybody knows you can do that, but if you prefer to work in markdown,

01:09:34 ◼   ► it's all right there for you.

01:09:35 ◼   ► How cool is that?

01:09:36 ◼   ► And that works on Squarespace.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you're seeing this.

01:09:38 ◼   ► You're seeing the three Octothorps and that's a heading.

01:09:40 ◼   ► And you can just do that.

01:09:41 ◼   ► I do that locally and the WYSIWYG is great, but also you can put in full on regular HTML,

01:09:48 ◼   ► but it also that you can have a little markdown area where you drag the markdown, dingus over,

01:09:52 ◼   ► and you're good to go.

01:09:53 ◼   ► However you want to work, they will accommodate that.

01:09:55 ◼   ► And it is super solid and it looks great on every device, which is something I could never

01:09:59 ◼   ► do.

01:10:00 ◼   ► That's, they used to be a whole career, John, having everything look good on every device,

01:10:03 ◼   ► like armed armed with six months of Linda classes and a clear pixel, you could change

01:10:07 ◼   ► the world.

01:10:08 ◼   ► Don't need that anymore.

01:10:09 ◼   ► You got Squarespace.

01:10:10 ◼   ► It's really, really great.

01:10:12 ◼   ► So you get a free free trial and they got a code special code, go to squarespace.com/talkshow

01:10:19 ◼   ► squarespace.com/talk show.

01:10:22 ◼   ► remember that code talk show and you'll get 10% off your first purchase. So if you sign up for a

01:10:26 ◼   ► year, you can save 10% off the whole year. But the only the trick is you got to remember that code

01:10:31 ◼   ► because you start a free trial. You don't pay right away. You go there, you use this thing for

01:10:36 ◼   ► like a month before they'll say, okay, now you have to pay. If you want to keep using it, then

01:10:39 ◼   ► just keep that. Keep that in your back pocket talk show and you'll save 10%. It's a great service. So

01:10:45 ◼   ► next time you need a website, look at this. I've put a link to this thing in the show notes. Look

01:10:49 ◼   ► Look at this cool site Marlon has.

01:10:50 ◼   ► Easy to update.

01:10:51 ◼   ► - Oh, come on.

01:10:52 ◼   ► - No, but it's, but if you--

01:10:54 ◼   ► - It's made me lazy.

01:10:55 ◼   ► - Right. - It's made me lazy, John.

01:10:56 ◼   ► When I used to have to do everything by hand

01:10:58 ◼   ► in movable type especially, I was constantly tweaking

01:11:01 ◼   ► and now I'm just like, eh, they'll get it.

01:11:02 ◼   ► They're gonna look at it on a phone anyway.

01:11:03 ◼   ► Like, I'm not gonna spend tons of time on this

01:11:06 ◼   ► and that's exactly what I want.

01:11:08 ◼   ► What I want is a way to dump information onto the web

01:11:10 ◼   ► that people can get and I don't spend the rest of my life

01:11:13 ◼   ► wondering why the gray lines don't match up in Firefox.

01:11:17 ◼   ► It's like, ah, thank you.

01:11:18 ◼   ► I'm so glad to be out of that world never looked back never looked back John. Oh, I used to think it was fun

01:11:23 ◼   ► Wasn't time man, you know movable type was so great every every website was a house of cards where oh

01:11:31 ◼   ► 100% and every design you would finally you'd be like but but in button ie

01:11:37 ◼   ► the the box doesn't

01:11:39 ◼   ► The two lines don't meet in the corner and then you'd fix it and then you'd go back and it was suddenly broken everywhere

01:11:45 ◼   ► You forgot to manually assign a font face to every cell in the table.

01:11:49 ◼   ► What? That's how we used to live. Miserable.

01:11:54 ◼   ► Table layouts.

01:11:56 ◼   ► Oh my god. Well, you remember every TD, the time was, if you wanted to look good on Netscape,

01:12:01 ◼   ► every TD, if you wanted to use style sheets like some kind of nut from the future,

01:12:05 ◼   ► you had to have font face equals in every one of those in order for it to render correctly.

01:12:09 ◼   ► Nice, nice, lean code.

01:12:13 ◼   ► It was funny though because with table layouts they did they they were more likely to look the same everywhere

01:12:19 ◼   ► Like when we switch seen it changed the game seen it changed everything like wait a minute

01:12:25 ◼   ► Wait, how'd you make just the left side of the page yellow? How did you do that?

01:12:27 ◼   ► Haha, you've solved my yellow background riddle

01:12:31 ◼   ► Alright, so you bought the whole kit with this. I pet you got you got you got your iPad. How many gigabytes did you buy? I?

01:12:38 ◼   ► went with

01:12:41 ◼   ► Shame on Apple for these levels. I went with 512 because you wanted

01:12:45 ◼   ► Well, what do you think?

01:12:48 ◼   ► Right, there's a lot

01:12:51 ◼   ► Every time John every time I say now this is gonna be the one I keep in use for five years every time I tell myself

01:12:56 ◼   ► You can treat yourself right like you got it. You got to get the good one, right? I bought the

01:13:01 ◼   ► What's the maximum for the iPhone 512?

01:13:04 ◼   ► I think that max for iPhone is 512 and I bought that because I've always fun. I did too

01:13:08 ◼   ► But I seriously started doing the math on how much like 4k video I would need to shoot before it even came close and it

01:13:15 ◼   ► Right. It really is sort of a waste of money. I really it's like I forget how much storage I'm using especially with the iCloud

01:13:22 ◼   ► photos thing where

01:13:25 ◼   ► Once if you're you know, and I'm all in on the iCloud photo, so I don't need my whole photo library local on the phone

01:13:31 ◼   ► It won't crack. Yeah, I don't even want it. So I I really don't know why I bought the big guy

01:13:35 ◼   ► I'm still I'm still running into friends and I mean I get this in my own damn family where I'm supposed to be the CTO

01:13:41 ◼   ► And taking care of everything and I'm like, I just be like honey

01:13:43 ◼   ► You you haven't up you haven't updated your OS or plugged in your iPad in like weeks

01:13:48 ◼   ► Like it's everything's you're signed out of everything like what is happening?

01:13:52 ◼   ► But then you go and you get all signed in and everything and like I still run into this not so much in our household

01:13:57 ◼   ► But and I will still encounter people

01:13:59 ◼   ► I haven't seen this one or more but you remember it was even fairly

01:14:03 ◼   ► Recently that people wouldn't be able to update their OS because they were out of room. Yes. Yes

01:14:09 ◼   ► Yes, that was that couldn't have been more than two or three years ago. Yeah, it was a big problem ultimate

01:14:13 ◼   ► it was a big problem when they were selling 16 gigabyte devices because that's right because yeah a

01:14:17 ◼   ► Significant portion of your 16 gigabytes was the OS, you know, the OS was five six gigabytes

01:14:23 ◼   ► So you really you didn't have much whereas if you buy even at 64 even if you know

01:14:28 ◼   ► Which is now like the small size the fact that the OS takes up four gigabytes

01:14:32 ◼   ► It's most of that 64 is still your space. It's it just wasn't the case with 16

01:14:37 ◼   ► And yeah, that would that's a weird problem to be in you don't have enough room. You have to delete that's so it's so

01:14:44 ◼   ► Some like what five different angles three different angles. They've addressed that with offloading

01:14:49 ◼   ► you either need to delete photos of your daughter or yeah, or

01:14:54 ◼   ► How much do I want? How much do I want to not get hacked or I'm gonna need a minute, right?

01:15:02 ◼   ► Those videos add up though, buddy.

01:15:03 ◼   ► Whoo!

01:15:04 ◼   ► When you shoot video, just out of curiosity, when you shoot video on your, you're on a

01:15:09 ◼   ► XS?

01:15:10 ◼   ► Yep.

01:15:11 ◼   ► What do you, see, I had been on, I'm not sure why, I was on Peter Jackson settings.

01:15:15 ◼   ► I used to be on, I think I was on 1080 at 60, but then I heard the HDR only works on

01:15:23 ◼   ► 30 or slower.

01:15:24 ◼   ► Yeah, so I switched back, yeah.

01:15:26 ◼   ► That HDR is pretty bananas.

01:15:29 ◼   ► combining the first shot, the thing I shot like that, I did the auto HDR and I think

01:15:33 ◼   ► it was the first thing I shot on a phone that was shooting in stereo as well. Yeah. And

01:15:38 ◼   ► I was, uh, I'm not gonna say I like fell over, but I was like, wow, that the two of those

01:15:43 ◼   ► things together was surprising. Real surprisingly realistic. Yeah. The HDR, the auto HDR for,

01:15:50 ◼   ► I mean, I was shooting straight at the sun. So like in San Francisco, you get a lot of

01:15:54 ◼   ► fog and some sun and like it you know it looked a little little tricky and gamey but it worked

01:15:59 ◼   ► and it sounded just the sound of me like walking down the street sounded amazing i've i've been

01:16:03 ◼   ► shooting uh 4k 24 frames per second i wish i'm an upgrade i wish that it was easier to switch though

01:16:11 ◼   ► um like i kind of i get it you know i i do think that apple's camera ui team is one of the best

01:16:20 ◼   ► teams they have. The Verge even had a story recently about how it's like the camera app

01:16:25 ◼   ► UI design from iOS 7 going forward, like when they went to the new style is like the most

01:16:31 ◼   ► influential UI design of the last 10 years because everybody copies it. And, you know,

01:16:37 ◼   ► part of it is the shamelessness with with which some of these Chinese companies will

01:16:40 ◼   ► just copy anything.

01:16:41 ◼   ► Jared Ranere: A little pop up with the fake AirPods. Hilarious.

01:16:46 ◼   ► What do they call it? Q pods or like ear earbud or something like that. Fly pods, fly pods,

01:16:54 ◼   ► fly pods, fly pods. Yeah. But part of it is that it's such a good design and once you've

01:17:00 ◼   ► seen it, you can't unsee it. And I get it. And my God, is there an app that that on the

01:17:07 ◼   ► on the entire phone that more people use than the camera app? I mean, even with like, I

01:17:13 ◼   ► I guess messages maybe.

01:17:14 ◼   ► I mean, everybody uses messages,

01:17:16 ◼   ► but there's some parts of the world where people,

01:17:18 ◼   ► because they don't use text or iMessage,

01:17:20 ◼   ► there's some parts of the world

01:17:21 ◼   ► where even iPhone users are using what--

01:17:23 ◼   ► - If I had to name this today,

01:17:25 ◼   ► 10 years, 11 years on,

01:17:26 ◼   ► I would call this,

01:17:27 ◼   ► I would say this is a camera that happens to have a phone.

01:17:29 ◼   ► - Right, it's absolutely true.

01:17:31 ◼   ► And most people use the system camera app.

01:17:34 ◼   ► And even like an expert,

01:17:36 ◼   ► like there's like the Halide,

01:17:37 ◼   ► if you know what Halide is.

01:17:38 ◼   ► - Halide is correct.

01:17:39 ◼   ► Halide is worth spending some time with.

01:17:42 ◼   ► I know you're a stock camera guy,

01:17:43 ◼   ► but if you have some time and you know

01:17:45 ◼   ► you're gonna be able to get everything the way you want,

01:17:47 ◼   ► Halide is crazy.

01:17:49 ◼   ► - I love it.

01:17:50 ◼   ► - The control you get in Halide is nuts.

01:17:51 ◼   ► - But even if you use Halide for all of your photos,

01:17:55 ◼   ► Halide only does photos, it doesn't do video.

01:17:57 ◼   ► So you're still going to the system app to shoot video.

01:17:59 ◼   ► I get it that they're trying to keep it

01:18:03 ◼   ► as usable as possible for those 800 million people

01:18:08 ◼   ► who aren't camera nerds,

01:18:10 ◼   ► yet still give, have some features in there

01:18:12 ◼   ► that are as powerful as possible.

01:18:14 ◼   ► So I get it why you can't switch the video format

01:18:17 ◼   ► in the camera app, you know,

01:18:18 ◼   ► that you've got to go to settings and then camera

01:18:21 ◼   ► and then shoot video.

01:18:22 ◼   ► It's not the worst thing in the world.

01:18:24 ◼   ► But when you're right there in the camera,

01:18:26 ◼   ► ready to shoot something, and like, for example,

01:18:29 ◼   ► I shot a little bit of video, I don't even know why,

01:18:32 ◼   ► but I've shot a little bit of video inside the theater

01:18:37 ◼   ► at last week's event while we were waiting,

01:18:39 ◼   ► you know, everybody taking their seats.

01:18:41 ◼   ► And it was very dark.

01:18:43 ◼   ► It's a theater, you know, but it's 20 at 4K.

01:18:47 ◼   ► It was actually so little light

01:18:50 ◼   ► that it wasn't exposing the video right.

01:18:52 ◼   ► You know, so I wanted to switch to 1080,

01:18:54 ◼   ► which would let, you know, the video was, it was usable.

01:18:58 ◼   ► - You gotta do that in settings.

01:18:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it just, right there in the moment,

01:19:02 ◼   ► it just felt like, oh, what a pain in the ass.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Switch to settings, poke around,

01:19:06 ◼   ► you gotta scroll down to get the camera, you know, it's--

01:19:09 ◼   ► That's true, but that you so you're thinking maybe they don't want it to that you could

01:19:12 ◼   ► do some kind of a little left right carousel slider like well, like when you're shooting

01:19:17 ◼   ► 24 k 24 frames per second that there is a little thing in the camera app that says hey

01:19:23 ◼   ► 24 k 24 frames per second so that you know what what mode you're in. I kind of wish I

01:19:28 ◼   ► could just tap on that and then have it get a pop up. Yeah, I get a pop up. I get why

01:19:33 ◼   ► they don't but it you know and I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people have

01:19:38 ◼   ► no idea that you can change from the default you know they just shoot and

01:19:42 ◼   ► it's the settings boy the settings I might I have one thing to say about

01:19:46 ◼   ► settings I have lots of things to say about settings my one piece of advice

01:19:49 ◼   ► about settings is start scrolling up to down to get the search field you're

01:19:54 ◼   ► gonna make your life so much better like use the search field don't click there's

01:19:58 ◼   ► so much stuff in settings and it's so bananas every time I want to back up I

01:20:02 ◼   ► can't remember what area to go to for that now to make sure it's backed up like I did

01:20:07 ◼   ► last night just go flip from you know you don't talk about how would you describe that

01:20:11 ◼   ► you're in settings and there's the sections of settings on the left just drag down a little

01:20:16 ◼   ► bit and you'll get a search I know you know this all of you very smart doobies know this

01:20:21 ◼   ► but you'd be amazed how people don't know you can search for any area and settings rather

01:20:25 ◼   ► than having to remember and click I wonder if this if that's the sort of thing I wonder

01:20:29 ◼   ► if that's something you can do in shortcuts. I just suddenly dawned on me like I have you

01:20:34 ◼   ► been have you been into the shortcuts thing? I definitely wanted to talk to you about I'm

01:20:37 ◼   ► very Yeah, I don't want to say about cameras too. But the I love the idea of shortcuts

01:20:42 ◼   ► and I'm glad my friends are excited about it. It's, it's it's a little cute. And there

01:20:48 ◼   ► are some things that are very cool. I've seen people do if you see most of the Matthew kasalini,

01:20:55 ◼   ► you see people do the most amazing stuff with it. I go that's cool. But like all mine are

01:20:59 ◼   ► real like monkey stuff like show me this particular perspective in OmniFocus. You know, real,

01:21:05 ◼   ► real basic stuff that my, my, my, my short take on my short take on shortcuts is it's

01:21:11 ◼   ► neat. I'm glad it exists. If anything, I think it will remind people what they could already

01:21:16 ◼   ► be doing with Siri that they didn't know about. You can already do a ton of this stuff with

01:21:19 ◼   ► Siri. You don't need to make a shortcut for a lot of this. I mean, here's how it was a

01:21:23 ◼   ► little put it this way. How many people know that if you use the app deliveries by June

01:21:28 ◼   ► you can say, Hey, dingus open deliveries. I don't think now,

01:21:32 ◼   ► I think people don't know that people who have a watch may remember that,

01:21:37 ◼   ► but like really get good with that stuff before you worry about saying like,

01:21:41 ◼   ► you know, you know, remember to flip, flip the dog at 7 25 PM.

01:21:45 ◼   ► If this condition is met,

01:21:46 ◼   ► like I'm glad people are going to realize because of that,

01:21:50 ◼   ► but I'm very happy to use other people's for some stuff, but,

01:21:54 ◼   ► Oh, how do I say this? And so Siri gets so much better.

01:21:58 ◼   ► There's no point. I mean, there's so much I still can't add a thing to OmniFocus from my watch. The HomePod is just it's sounds good. But like I'm not going to invest a ton more in automation with my voice on this platform. When Alexa Alexa stop when the Amazon

01:22:15 ◼   ► dingus. When the Amazon ecosystem is so much more capable and getting better every Friday afternoon.

01:22:21 ◼   ► I'm going to spend so much more time with that. Well, that's a separate discussion, but I will

01:22:27 ◼   ► say the last thing about camera. Look, I see the last thing about camera. You go ahead and say what

01:22:30 ◼   ► you're going to say. All I want to say about camera is like, wow, it's just so amazing to

01:22:33 ◼   ► look at stuff we shot in 2007 2008. My gosh, it's gotten better. But the thing I keep saying to my

01:22:38 ◼   ► co-host on Dubai Friday, like we all bought the new phones, the thing I just keep saying, I keep

01:22:42 ◼   ► keep sending them photos and marveling and saying, they, I don't know what combination

01:22:47 ◼   ► of the hardware, the lenses, the software, that's certainly a huge part of it's got to

01:22:53 ◼   ► be software, but this sounds so dumb, but you really got to see it. You know, even in

01:22:58 ◼   ► fairly weird conditions, it gets a shot you're going to love. And so with a camera on your

01:23:05 ◼   ► phone and your kids doing something funny, you're going to be shocked how often it not

01:23:09 ◼   ► only gets it but it gets it real good and you know what it's not gonna be the

01:23:14 ◼   ► greatest photo ever taken that you're just grabbing your phone you're hitting

01:23:17 ◼   ► the button do a long press and hit it but you know what my daughter had a six

01:23:20 ◼   ► girl sleepover for her birthday and we went to the park to watch Coco there

01:23:24 ◼   ► Shawn Coco in the park it was real foggy out typical like October night in San

01:23:29 ◼   ► Francisco and I got the coolest moody shots by sitting mostly trying to be

01:23:33 ◼   ► kind of still but it got it it got the shot it got the HDR you can see the pink

01:23:38 ◼   ► of the jacket and the gold and the white and the and there's still a little bit of frizz

01:23:43 ◼   ► and the details on the leaves, but you can see it. And if you zoom in, yes, you're going

01:23:47 ◼   ► to see there's some noise. What am I trying to say? They have nailed the camera in your

01:23:51 ◼   ► pocket thing so hard. And whatever trade offs they made to like the world's greatest quality,

01:23:56 ◼   ► if you meet these conditions, they have made the snapshot camera of my dreams. Yeah. I

01:24:03 ◼   ► - I think that they feel that responsibility too,

01:24:06 ◼   ► that they know that however much

01:24:09 ◼   ► that there are professionals--

01:24:10 ◼   ► - Every second, every millisecond it takes

01:24:12 ◼   ► for that thing to flip on, you're losing memories.

01:24:15 ◼   ► - Right, and they realize that most people,

01:24:18 ◼   ► there's quibbles that somebody who really,

01:24:21 ◼   ► even at our level of being amateur is that we can explain

01:24:24 ◼   ► how the smart HDR can sometimes create

01:24:28 ◼   ► unnatural looking results.

01:24:30 ◼   ► It's as much, you know, but that it's still,

01:24:33 ◼   ► If you're shooting directly into the sun,

01:24:35 ◼   ► if you're doing that,

01:24:36 ◼   ► the unnaturalness of the results with this Smart HDR

01:24:41 ◼   ► is still better than having it all blown out

01:24:44 ◼   ► and having an unusable image, right?

01:24:47 ◼   ► It's still doing the right thing.

01:24:49 ◼   ► - People who don't know to just keep the light behind you,

01:24:52 ◼   ► keep the light behind you

01:24:53 ◼   ► and you'll generally have better results.

01:24:55 ◼   ► I feel so bad when you walk around and somebody says,

01:24:57 ◼   ► "Oh, can you take a picture of us?"

01:24:58 ◼   ► I'm like, "Of course, I'd love to take a picture of you."

01:24:59 ◼   ► And I've instantly, even with my tiny bit of skills,

01:25:02 ◼   ► I'm like, well, I'll tell you what, right now it looks like that light post is coming

01:25:06 ◼   ► out of your head and be kind of nice that the bridge was centered by friends and I'm

01:25:11 ◼   ► like art directing it because I know the shot they want me to take of them standing in front

01:25:15 ◼   ► of the theater marquee with the sun pointing at the camera is going to make everybody look

01:25:20 ◼   ► terrible.

01:25:21 ◼   ► You're not going to have anything usable in that image.

01:25:22 ◼   ► But friend of the show, Craig Hockenberry was telling a story a couple of minutes when

01:25:25 ◼   ► this feature first came out.

01:25:26 ◼   ► He's in it.

01:25:27 ◼   ► He lives out in California, Southern California.

01:25:28 ◼   ► an avid swimmer. And he was I think he swims almost either every day or almost every day

01:25:33 ◼   ► in the ocean in the ocean. And it's beautiful Southern California. So guess what? It's sunny

01:25:38 ◼   ► every day. Yeah, it started as a conversation about the watch. But we were talking about

01:25:42 ◼   ► smart HDR. And he just said that, you know, for years, he would go swimming and either

01:25:46 ◼   ► like as he's going in the water coming out, he'd see, you know, some family or some tourist,

01:25:51 ◼   ► somebody's there at the beach shooting a picture right into the sun. And every single time

01:25:55 ◼   ► He wants to eat, you know, and he's a very nice guy. And he, you know, but you can't

01:26:00 ◼   ► get it from his Twitter, but he's very calm, but quiet and kind and he wants to help. But

01:26:04 ◼   ► what are you going to do? You can't really, you know, you can't say, Hey, excuse me, I'm

01:26:08 ◼   ► a random six foot 10. California swimmer. Yeah, a German on the beach is not gonna accept

01:26:15 ◼   ► that. May I suggest that you flip this image around and you stand over here and you stand

01:26:20 ◼   ► over there just kind of think you're weird, even though what he's telling you is you'd

01:26:24 ◼   ► get a better image. So it will change the rest of your life as a photographer just learning

01:26:27 ◼   ► that one dumb thing. Right. And you know, but now that the cameras work better that

01:26:31 ◼   ► way, it's pretty amazing. Yeah. Anyway, that was my thing. Anyway, the shortcuts thing.

01:26:36 ◼   ► I Oh, yeah, you know me, I'm an Apple script nerd. And I've got the keyboard maestro. And

01:26:41 ◼   ► it's, it's big that that was sort of little fiddly things that I've done for myself over

01:26:45 ◼   ► the years and and carry around from machine to machine are big part of the whole reason

01:26:50 ◼   ► that I feel, you know, my whole I using an iPad feels like I'm typing with mittens, you know,

01:26:56 ◼   ► a big part of that is I've got all these little things on the Mac. And I see a lot of stuff into

01:27:01 ◼   ► services like I mean, yeah, tons of services. Yeah. When you go to that website where you turn

01:27:05 ◼   ► like a Perl script or whatever into a service like you're responsible for a lot of the serviceable

01:27:11 ◼   ► things there. Can I tell you, here's a cool shortcut I made. So it, you know, I've got so

01:27:15 ◼   ► many of those little services that do things with text that I you, you, if you want them

01:27:21 ◼   ► to have a keyboard shortcut, if you want to invoke them with a keyboard, it, you, you

01:27:25 ◼   ► wind up, I mean, I know that this is a problem you've had. Marilyn is when you start assigning

01:27:30 ◼   ► your own custom keyboard shortcuts to things, you eventually run into, you run out of keyboard

01:27:35 ◼   ► shortcuts to use and, and you start risking a conflict with the built in. You're going

01:27:40 ◼   ► start using your pinky a lot more right when you're for your Emacs like chords

01:27:45 ◼   ► right and when you use when you use an app like bbedit or drafts you know an app that is targeted

01:27:52 ◼   ► toward enthusiasts they have guess what they have a lot of built-in keyboard shortcuts already

01:27:57 ◼   ► but anyway so this trick that I figured out for myself is um you know how like when you're when

01:28:02 ◼   ► you open a menu like on a mac so you open the file menu you if you start typing something like you

01:28:08 ◼   ► you open the file menu. If you type n, it'll highlight the first item in the menu that

01:28:13 ◼   ► has starts with an n. So here in notes, you type n and it highlights new note. And then

01:28:19 ◼   ► you can select that with the return key. You can navigate the menu with the keyboard. So

01:28:24 ◼   ► what I did, I'm just like getting to the help menu, like command shift question mark, well,

01:28:27 ◼   ► or anything. So I've, that's another one, just command shift question mark and start

01:28:31 ◼   ► typing. It'll find anything. Yes. In a minute. That's what you're typing. That is a fast.

01:28:35 ◼   ► cool. But what I did is I made a keyboard maestro shortcut that opens the services menu from any app.

01:28:42 ◼   ► And then with that services menu open, it just leaves it open. So it just opens the services

01:28:50 ◼   ► menu. It just goes to I think I think the way the keyboard shortcut works is, I forget how I made it

01:28:57 ◼   ► I could tell you but how do you get the services from from any app with one thing, I forget how I

01:29:02 ◼   ► I did it but keyboard my sir has a way but then once that menu is open I can just type the name of any of

01:29:08 ◼   ► my services

01:29:09 ◼   ► And it'll start

01:29:11 ◼   ► So I have one I have a script I wrote called tweet deets and I was cute

01:29:18 ◼   ► but all it is is it expects as input a a

01:29:21 ◼   ► URL pointing to a particular tweet. So it's a URL that's like twitter.com slash

01:29:29 ◼   ► Whatever the guy's name is slash. Here's the big long number of the tweet ID

01:29:33 ◼   ► That's the input and then what this with the service does is it turns it into like a little markdown link with their real name

01:29:41 ◼   ► with the brackets around their name with the URL in the

01:29:45 ◼   ► Parentheses after the brackets and a colon and then it quotes the whole tweet itself and puts it in a look, you know with the

01:29:52 ◼   ► Okay, I use this

01:29:55 ◼   ► this all the time, but I didn't want to sign a custom shortcut. So all I do is I just have,

01:30:01 ◼   ► what I made is shift command X and that opens the services menu for me from any app. It's X because

01:30:10 ◼   ► X is the coolest letter of the alphabet and it's easily typed with one hand. And then I do that and

01:30:16 ◼   ► I don't have to memorize all these different shortcuts anymore. I just know the script is

01:30:19 ◼   ► called tweet deets. I type T W it's highlighted. I hit return and it runs. That's so great.

01:30:25 ◼   ► I've got Chrome extensions that do stuff like that. I've got there's several believe

01:30:30 ◼   ► I don't I imagine you're not a Chrome user there are several Chrome extensions that specialize

01:30:34 ◼   ► in doing cool stuff with markdown like what you just described with a with a keyboard

01:30:38 ◼   ► click.

01:30:39 ◼   ► I've heard that I'm not I'm not I'm not a Chrome user.

01:30:43 ◼   ► Chrome is so weird there's so much stuff that I don't understand like Chrome, Chrome,

01:30:48 ◼   ► Chrome, Chrome, like Chrome why don't you have standard UI elements where like I can

01:30:52 ◼   ► see stuff like

01:30:53 ◼   ► It makes me nuts

01:30:54 ◼   ► It's so weird.

01:30:56 ◼   ► And why is Chrome the only app where I hit Option Command H

01:30:59 ◼   ► and it doesn't hide the other apps?

01:31:01 ◼   ► Why is that?

01:31:01 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:31:02 ◼   ► Why is there so much that's weird in Chrome?

01:31:04 ◼   ► And what is happening?

01:31:05 ◼   ► What is happening with these tabs now?

01:31:07 ◼   ► These tabs, the tabs now-- the X on the tab--

01:31:09 ◼   ► Do you know that you can go back to the old UI?

01:31:12 ◼   ► Well, Syracuse says they might have changed it permanently.

01:31:14 ◼   ► I usually would go to flags.

01:31:16 ◼   ► But have you seen this latest where

01:31:17 ◼   ► they've got the X looks like-- Syracuse

01:31:19 ◼   ► and I were just talking about this on a soon-to-be-released

01:31:22 ◼   ► rectifs.

01:31:22 ◼   ► but like the X to close it looks like something

01:31:25 ◼   ► Jason Kotke designed as a mini font in 2000.

01:31:29 ◼   ► And then the thing next to it to launch a new tab

01:31:31 ◼   ► looks like the cross of St. John, like a flag.

01:31:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, see I can't look.

01:31:35 ◼   ► - And it hasn't been fully knocked out.

01:31:36 ◼   ► Like it doesn't, the transparency is not right.

01:31:37 ◼   ► It's so ugly.

01:31:38 ◼   ► - Send me a screenshot,

01:31:39 ◼   ► 'cause I've got my Chrome set running the old Chrome UI.

01:31:43 ◼   ► - And then if you're not in the app, right?

01:31:45 ◼   ► If you're outside the app, but you can still see it,

01:31:49 ◼   ► tab that you were in is now red. Wait, what the hell is going on here? I'm trying to quit

01:31:56 ◼   ► Chrome and when I do command Q instead of quitting it shows me a thing that says hold

01:32:00 ◼   ► command Q to quit. Oh, are you sure you want to quit? Are you really sure? Oh, you see

01:32:05 ◼   ► you have to press and hold command. See that that's that should be illegal. That is not

01:32:10 ◼   ► how a Macintosh program works. Yeah, that's cheating. Okay, so here you go. Have a look

01:32:14 ◼   ► at this that is what my three open tabs look like when I'm outside of so I see

01:32:23 ◼   ► it I see it that's pretty not pretty almost all there's tabs there again we're

01:32:29 ◼   ► back to the CCC EEE problem what the hell is this it's carpet when did they

01:32:35 ◼   ► switch this well you like that red tab isn't that pretty why is it right you

01:32:39 ◼   ► like the cross of st. John right next to there and a completely different design

01:32:42 ◼   ► language and it's like above the baseline like it's above oh yeah yeah

01:32:45 ◼   ► yeah but you can almost tell if you look real carefully the feed Wrangler one

01:32:48 ◼   ► that's that's that's more of the EEE and then door - is more of the like that's

01:32:53 ◼   ► more FFF I guess but in this case the tab that is nominally focal if you were

01:32:59 ◼   ► in the app is gray it's really bizarre yeah

01:33:05 ◼   ► anyway here's what material is that what this is material I I guess so I got it

01:33:10 ◼   ► switch mine back. Anyway, here's where I wanted to go. The whole shortcut thing. I think I think I

01:33:16 ◼   ► have been old manning the shortcuts app in iOS 12. Meaning it's, it seems a little bit fiddly to me,

01:33:24 ◼   ► it seems a little ridiculous that you're doing quote unquote programming, but instead of just

01:33:28 ◼   ► typing, if this then that you've got like, these, you know, things you drag out, and it's, you know,

01:33:34 ◼   ► graphical instead of, you know, text and it therefore makes it a little bit harder to

01:33:41 ◼   ► just copy and paste and share it with somebody else. You've got to share it. And I think

01:33:45 ◼   ► I've been like, kind of rolling my eyes at it. But now the more for you, good for you

01:33:50 ◼   ► for catching that the more that I'm talking to people about it, though, I think I'm totally

01:33:53 ◼   ► underselling it. And so after that event last week, and when I told you I ran into Austin

01:34:01 ◼   ► man, the photographer, and he was like, Well, let's go get a cup of coffee. And I was like,

01:34:04 ◼   ► that'd be great. So we went and got a cup of coffee. Um, you know what? It wasn't even

01:34:09 ◼   ► coffee. It was beer. That's fine. I think about it, but it was, it was a cool place

01:34:15 ◼   ► in Brooklyn that looked like a coffee shop, but they also sold draft beer. Uh, and he

01:34:20 ◼   ► was showing me some of these shortcuts he's made. So he's, he said, I'm on airplanes a

01:34:23 ◼   ► lot. He's, you know, cause not only does he fly frequently when he does fly, he's flying

01:34:27 ◼   ► around the globe. And so there, he's got a lot of time where he doesn't have internet.

01:34:33 ◼   ► And he's really gotten into the shortcuts and he's built a bunch for himself and they

01:34:38 ◼   ► do some really amazing things so he can just say to his phone, hey, dingus, I forget what

01:34:43 ◼   ► he calls it, but it's like, put me into shooting mode. And then in other words, this is like

01:34:48 ◼   ► he's going to use his phone camera to shoot. And it does things like turns on do not disturb

01:34:57 ◼   ► sets his colors the way you know, the brightness to where he wants it, right. But the thing

01:35:00 ◼   ► Casey List does a similar thing like for nighttime shutdown. Yeah, I love that idea. Yeah, that's

01:35:05 ◼   ► a smart use. It's super smart. And it's it does more things than I thought would have

01:35:09 ◼   ► been available through shortcuts. And then he just has the habit now of every time he

01:35:13 ◼   ► starts shooting to do that. Because like one of the weird things about the iPhone and I

01:35:19 ◼   ► I really, really hope that Apple makes this an option next year because I think it's overdue

01:35:24 ◼   ► is I think they have to start treating stop treating an incoming phone call as this magical

01:35:30 ◼   ► You need to stop everything you're doing.

01:35:32 ◼   ► I totally agree.

01:35:33 ◼   ► We're taking over your second.

01:35:35 ◼   ► I mean, second only the only second for me there is like a video in an ad or on Twitter

01:35:44 ◼   ► or something hijacking your sound and losing your place in overcast.

01:35:47 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you're right.

01:35:49 ◼   ► But that's the there is no event that destroys everything like a phone call.

01:35:52 ◼   ► So you could be shooting something and you could it could be you know, you're getting

01:35:55 ◼   ► this great video footage and all of a sudden a phone call comes in and it's it's racked.

01:36:00 ◼   ► Oh my God, I hadn't thought of that. That's horrible. So you put on, so what you want

01:36:03 ◼   ► to do is you want to have do not disturb turned on and you want to go into your settings app

01:36:06 ◼   ► and change, do not disturb to, um, to always be on even if you're using the phone because

01:36:15 ◼   ► by default do not disturb. Don't ring, don't do by default. Do not disturb. Only doesn't

01:36:22 ◼   ► disturb if the phone is locked and off and if you're unlocked and actually using it,

01:36:27 ◼   ► assumes oh well you don't mind if you get notifications now because you're using the

01:36:31 ◼   ► phone even stuff like getting getting messages pop-ups like if i'm trying to watch tv right like

01:36:35 ◼   ► sometimes i'll flip on the ipad and just walk around with headphones listening to msnbc because

01:36:39 ◼   ► i'm broken inside and any kind of a pop-up for like a like a notification pauses hulu so i so

01:36:45 ◼   ► if you're saying anything that could kai wash my video make that stop yeah so he's and he's also

01:36:51 ◼   ► got one he made called uh uh share my contact and it just he just says to his phone share my contact

01:36:57 ◼   ► and then it pops open his contact card with airdrop and then anybody who's nearby and i was like wow

01:37:03 ◼   ► this is actually almost as easy to share contact information now as the newton was back in 1994.

01:37:09 ◼   ► You don't even have to bump.

01:37:10 ◼   ► Do you remember that you could just point two newtons at each other and they would you could

01:37:16 ◼   ► could like exchange business cards. It was magic. It was amazing teacher that we still

01:37:21 ◼   ► haven't replicated 25 years later. Big IR used to be there's so much stuff you use IR

01:37:25 ◼   ► for everything was here and it was pretty reliable anyway. We need to beam your contacts

01:37:30 ◼   ► anyway. I got it. I'm I'm I'm committing myself now to becoming a bit more of a shortcut nerd.

01:37:35 ◼   ► I think I've undersold it. I think I feel I feel bad now that I might have done the same

01:37:40 ◼   ► thing. I didn't mean I just it was more of a not for me right now thing not least because

01:37:44 ◼   ► I used to be Merlin man and I if I could spend all freaking day with shortcuts trying to make a thing happen

01:37:50 ◼   ► And it's like no I've reached a point in life. We're like I'm happy to let other people do that for me

01:37:55 ◼   ► I there's a million things. I want to remain curious about and a whole whole bunch of stuff

01:37:59 ◼   ► I'm happy being in curious about learning how to do computer programming in a UI on my phone is something

01:38:04 ◼   ► I'm okay to leave to the youngs

01:38:06 ◼   ► But I do agree with you. I do absolutely agree with you

01:38:10 ◼   ► I do still think it's weird, comma, with that said,

01:38:13 ◼   ► I do still think it's kind of weird

01:38:14 ◼   ► that you like watch the whole thing run.

01:38:16 ◼   ► It feels gross.

01:38:18 ◼   ► It feels, it feels, I don't know.

01:38:20 ◼   ► It just feels like you're playing that board game,

01:38:22 ◼   ► Mouse Trap.

01:38:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:38:24 ◼   ► - It feels like you're dropping the marble down to watch.

01:38:26 ◼   ► It's like an OK Go video.

01:38:27 ◼   ► You're watching it spin around.

01:38:30 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's, no, the presence of it is amazing.

01:38:33 ◼   ► And I think decoupling it from the idea of using your voice,

01:38:37 ◼   ► 'cause right now when we think of Siri,

01:38:38 ◼   ► what does Siri mean?

01:38:39 ◼   ► As we've said before, Siri means like at least three, four different things.

01:38:42 ◼   ► And getting to the point of this being a piece of automation,

01:38:45 ◼   ► bespoke automation that you can invoke various ways that will,

01:38:49 ◼   ► that will become very powerful. And like I say, people like that,

01:38:52 ◼   ► Matthew fella, he's doing some, he used to be at workflow, right?

01:38:55 ◼   ► And he's on his own now. He's amazing. He does just his,

01:38:59 ◼   ► you see his screens and screens and screens at these,

01:39:02 ◼   ► I think he's got like 200 of them on his phone. It is magic.

01:39:05 ◼   ► Yeah. But that's, see, that's a weird thing though. That's where you start.

01:39:07 ◼   ► starts getting weird because you can't make like folders in that app so if you have like 200

01:39:11 ◼   ► shortcuts there it's just like one list absolutely okay let's do this you want to talk about this you

01:39:16 ◼   ► want to talk about what we're using or you're mostly just publicly putting a line in the sound

01:39:20 ◼   ► i'm just publicly putting a line in the same that i'm gonna what do i use this for honestly i added

01:39:25 ◼   ► a bunch it was so funny it was like pat nos waltz politically incorrect joke about tivo back in the

01:39:30 ◼   ► day where when you when this first became available on the phone it was like you just typed do you

01:39:36 ◼   ► want soup for dinner to your wife do you want to do that again it's like no no Siri I don't want to

01:39:40 ◼   ► do that again I did it that one time I don't I don't need to do that again like why you keep

01:39:44 ◼   ► suggesting that I just type a thing I just type it's like when Amazon says hey you know you bought

01:39:48 ◼   ► orange shoe trees you want to buy more orange shoe trees and you're like no nobody I already got the

01:39:53 ◼   ► thing I need what have I got I've got oh I have started using e24 I know I should correct myself

01:40:00 ◼   ► I have not tried this yet, but they've added shortcuts to eat 24 like grubhub so you can like order your your go-to meal with your voice now. Mm-hmm

01:40:09 ◼   ► I got I definitely got looking at OmniFocus

01:40:13 ◼   ► Perspectives some are real dumb find my air pods very happy to have that

01:40:18 ◼   ► play overcast

01:40:21 ◼   ► Kill the lights

01:40:25 ◼   ► Find Ellie's phone

01:40:29 ◼   ► That's a good one. If you do real good way if yes, you know if it's something you do a lot now

01:40:34 ◼   ► I'm so you're into it. You're using it. It's oh, no. No, I definitely done it. No, here's what I haven't done

01:40:38 ◼   ► So what I've done is that I've taken their serving suggestions to go. Yeah, I could see that being useful

01:40:43 ◼   ► Well, you're going to overcast and he's got a whole codex in there of all the different things that you can do with it

01:40:47 ◼   ► I've got played you by Friday. I've got my late accidental tech podcast

01:40:50 ◼   ► Um, I got all of those but like the mainly, you know

01:40:53 ◼   ► Sometimes I just feel like a dingling and go like I forget and I'm good at this John. I'm good at this

01:40:58 ◼   ► Not like other people say I'm good at this and I know what I can do with Siri and I still don't always do it

01:41:04 ◼   ► Yeah

01:41:04 ◼   ► So like me like I say mainly it's reminding me that I can say things like open

01:41:08 ◼   ► deliveries or what time do the Warriors play tonight or whatever I can just do that stuff and

01:41:13 ◼   ► You know, hopefully Siri will continue to improve to to where you aren't frustrated by what you just asked him

01:41:19 ◼   ► Before we move on. Yeah

01:41:22 ◼   ► What do you think about this new keyboard cover for the iPad?

01:41:27 ◼   ► Well, I spent a grand total about one hour with it and it's fine for somebody

01:41:31 ◼   ► It's it's what did I say to you last night?

01:41:33 ◼   ► It was like it's like typing on a pizza box with children's candy for keys

01:41:38 ◼   ► Smart you see yeah smarties. Yeah. Yeah. It's like typing on smarties on a pizza box

01:41:45 ◼   ► It's fine if you need it, but like there are way better solutions

01:41:49 ◼   ► Yeah, also when you fold it back your hands are touching keys. Yeah, we're new design, right?

01:41:55 ◼   ► So the new design the old design had like a weird

01:41:58 ◼   ► Asymmetrical hump because there was a piece that folded over the keys

01:42:02 ◼   ► But that at least was there so that when you folded it just opened it like a book and you don't want it

01:42:08 ◼   ► You just want to use your iPad as an iPad while you've folded the keyboard cover around to the back

01:42:13 ◼   ► And now instead of having the cover

01:42:15 ◼   ► That the weird asymmetrical bump now, it's just exposed keys and that's kind of gross

01:42:22 ◼   ► It's weird it will it shuts off those like my first concern was oh my god

01:42:26 ◼   ► So you mean it's making keys clicks and it's like no no

01:42:29 ◼   ► No, they're smart about that

01:42:30 ◼   ► this thing has like I think it's about 750 magnets on it right and a whole bunch of tungsten and it's

01:42:35 ◼   ► It's got so many fucking magnets, but it uh, no, but when you flip it around you are merely just holding a keyboard

01:42:42 ◼   ► It's not causing the keyboard to happen, right? But

01:42:45 ◼   ► There are so many I don't know. I don't know it's weird

01:42:49 ◼   ► Like, you know, my old friend Leslie Harpold used to say, I hate buying toys for my toys.

01:42:53 ◼   ► You know, um, that that's, there is a concerning thing where you feel like you're getting a

01:42:57 ◼   ► lot of stuff in order to get any value out of the thing that you have.

01:42:59 ◼   ► I have no doubt in my mind that that's going to work fine for somebody who travels a few

01:43:03 ◼   ► times a month taking on a plane.

01:43:05 ◼   ► But you know, you're really, you're always not that far from being to the point where

01:43:09 ◼   ► you're like, why don't you just bring your Mac book?

01:43:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I, oh, that's, and I just, and I can't get over the fact that when you put an iPad

01:43:15 ◼   ► into laptop mode, it is so top heavy because you've got the whole computer and a glass

01:43:21 ◼   ► touchscreen sticking up and you've got like the super lightweight keyboard.

01:43:26 ◼   ► Yeah, which is really I mean, it's it's more so we'll get some kudos. The way that it

01:43:32 ◼   ► magnetically with its 750 magnets magnetically snaps into one of the two grooves. I was slightly

01:43:40 ◼   ► shocked last night when I went to fold it back up. And I went, huh, and I got this resistance.

01:43:44 ◼   ► I was like, oh you you got this you're not gonna just slip out of there like you used to that that that was great

01:43:49 ◼   ► The experience of typing on this is garbage. It's

01:43:53 ◼   ► $200 it has no media keys and it is not fun to type on it feels like you're typing on the side of a tent

01:43:59 ◼   ► It's like it's just it doesn't feel good. It's

01:44:02 ◼   ► Well, I know you tell me how much time have you spent with it? I'm guessing not a lot

01:44:07 ◼   ► No

01:44:07 ◼   ► I did I did write the first half of my iPad review using it and and at one point

01:44:13 ◼   ► It just got late in the night and I was like to hell with this

01:44:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna finish this on my on this Mac hair

01:44:19 ◼   ► Which I was also trying to spend time with to write a review the next day

01:44:22 ◼   ► The calls coming from inside the review products. Yeah, but now I I think it's better

01:44:28 ◼   ► I you know and I see that a lot of people like it

01:44:30 ◼   ► But it is yeah $200 is a lot like a lot of money for what you're getting there

01:44:35 ◼   ► when a lot of money I like it and I think that Apple did the right thing here by making the the sort of keyboard piece a

01:44:42 ◼   ► solid non foldable thing. You know that there are no more, you know,

01:44:46 ◼   ► there's no more origami involved to getting it set up.

01:44:48 ◼   ► You just sort of open it and it slots in just one of two positions and you're

01:44:53 ◼   ► done. And it really is more, see if it's the only case you ever use,

01:44:57 ◼   ► let's be honest, like, so like me, I tend to like just the folio or,

01:45:00 ◼   ► or no case at all when I'm just sitting around the house.

01:45:02 ◼   ► If it's the only case you ever use,

01:45:04 ◼   ► it probably won't bother you because you're used to the thickness, the weight,

01:45:07 ◼   ► the keys, right? Like if you were through word,

01:45:09 ◼   ► like most normal people spend $200 on something you intend to use for three

01:45:12 ◼   ► years every day I think you'll definitely get used to it yeah that's

01:45:15 ◼   ► what you've decided to do yeah totally it's just hard for me to go back and

01:45:19 ◼   ► forth between a MacBook and this because there's so many differences and yes you

01:45:24 ◼   ► know the truth is I prefer the MacBook for that for that sort of you know we

01:45:28 ◼   ► use the word laptop I mean and just literally describe the setup that I use

01:45:33 ◼   ► which will make everybody's eyes roll so hard into the like why don't you just

01:45:37 ◼   ► use your perfectly serviceable 2015 MacBook Pro territory.

01:45:42 ◼   ► Well, what's your scenario? I'm sorry, I interrupted you know,

01:45:45 ◼   ► well, I'm just saying we use the word laptop to mean, you know, I

01:45:48 ◼   ► try to use the word notebook computer rather than laptop. Oh,

01:45:52 ◼   ► interesting. Cuz laptop does imply an all in one. Yeah, but

01:45:54 ◼   ► but yeah, but it is true. Well, and that you I don't like the

01:45:59 ◼   ► way that it literally implies a certain use case of having the

01:46:02 ◼   ► computer on your lap. You know, so in general, I try to avoid it.

01:46:05 ◼   ► But I mean mental model you get you get stuck to some paradigmatic idea of where that came from in the same way you say

01:46:11 ◼   ► I felt but the truth is we do sometimes use our notebooks on our laps, you know, like when I'm on an airplane

01:46:16 ◼   ► I don't I prefer to have it on my lap than to have it on the tray. Mm-hmm

01:46:21 ◼   ► You know, I don't know that you know filthy that thing is the train

01:46:26 ◼   ► When I take the train to New York

01:46:28 ◼   ► Which I've done a lot recently because there's been a lot of Apple stuff in New York

01:46:32 ◼   ► Some of the seats on the train you can get like a little table and that's nice

01:46:35 ◼   ► And then there's others where it's more like a traditional just a train seat

01:46:39 ◼   ► I put the I put my computer on my lap and I'm actually using it as a quote laptop

01:46:45 ◼   ► And I think that this new iPad keyboard the smart keyboard folio

01:46:49 ◼   ► It is definitely better for the literal use case of using it on your lap. I think it's angry and that's great

01:46:55 ◼   ► But boy, it's it is kind of weird. I

01:47:01 ◼   ► I stole this set up directly from Jason Snell and boy is it farcical, but for when I'm in

01:47:06 ◼   ► the house and like there is a use case for me that is, I don't know, kind of weird, which

01:47:10 ◼   ► is like, I like to stand, I don't have a standing desk.

01:47:13 ◼   ► My current standing desk is using my daughter's a disused Ikea play kitchen.

01:47:17 ◼   ► I have an Ikea play kitchen I stand at as the perfect size for a standing desk.

01:47:20 ◼   ► Are you serious?

01:47:21 ◼   ► Yes, I'm serious.

01:47:22 ◼   ► My wife hates it.

01:47:23 ◼   ► She hates it so much.

01:47:24 ◼   ► She keeps saying, you think you'd like to get a real standing desk?

01:47:26 ◼   ► And I'm like, I kind of like the Ikea kitchen.

01:47:28 ◼   ► It's it's real.

01:47:29 ◼   ► But other times I do like to stand. I like to eat. There's, I'm not a big sitter.

01:47:35 ◼   ► I can either stand or lay down. That's how I roll. If I'm standing in the kid,

01:47:39 ◼   ► if I'm standing in the kitchen, listening to NPR, making dinner, I need to lay down. I like to have

01:47:42 ◼   ► my, I like to have my iPad and my keyboard at a level that is sensible to me. Oh, if you're ready

01:47:48 ◼   ► for the privilege white guy hour, I have done this with two iPads and it is extremely powerful.

01:47:52 ◼   ► Here's what I do. Um, mainly what I'm doing, the normal one iPad setup,

01:47:57 ◼   ► I have something. Let me read you the SEO optimized title for this on Amazon.

01:48:01 ◼   ► Viozon iPad Pro Stand Tablet Stands 360 Rotatable Luminalloid desktop. It's called Viozon.

01:48:10 ◼   ► And it's a very pretty Apple-esque looking stand. So just Viozon iPad. Try that on Amazon.

01:48:18 ◼   ► Or I could send you the link. Yeah, just send me the link.

01:48:21 ◼   ► Yeah, so and so the there has a what do you call a clasp an arm?

01:48:25 ◼   ► It's got a spring-loaded dingus that you open up to put your iPad in there any angle for viewing that you want

01:48:31 ◼   ► portrait landscape full full swivel any way you want and I pair that with the

01:48:36 ◼   ► Modius laptop Pro keyboard from Mac version 5. Hmm. I got the same one. That's the snow keyboard

01:48:42 ◼   ► That's the one that's snow keyboard now forever. No, and it's not it's not a DOS. It's not a full mod. Yes

01:48:48 ◼   ► But like once you started using this thing around the house and you get those media keys

01:48:52 ◼   ► Don't you think like the media keys it sounds so dumb, but they really are great

01:48:56 ◼   ► Yeah, this is this is my if I need to type on the iPad as a device. This is an incredibly

01:49:02 ◼   ► There's a slight latency on the Bluetooth

01:49:04 ◼   ► The weirdest thing I get out of the latency on the Bluetooth is once you start using your iPad with a keyboard

01:49:10 ◼   ► Let me tell you the world's greatest move is gonna change your game command

01:49:14 ◼   ► Spacebar you now are about three clicks away from any app on your iPad. Yeah provide using spotlight

01:49:20 ◼   ► It is ridiculously powerful. My biggest problem there is it will start the spotlight search

01:49:26 ◼   ► There's a slight latency where I miss the first or second letter that I've typed you ever get that. Mmm

01:49:31 ◼   ► I've never noticed that not too bad

01:49:32 ◼   ► But that's a that's a hell of a setup and I that for me that works

01:49:36 ◼   ► I there's not a lot of times by the nature of the iPad

01:49:39 ◼   ► There's not a lot of times when I want to be typing on a keyboard while I'm sitting somewhere

01:49:44 ◼   ► But isn't that so part of the weird?

01:49:46 ◼   ► the way that I struggled to talk about the

01:49:50 ◼   ► iPad as a power user is the weird way that I we just spent a huge segment of the show talking about how

01:49:56 ◼   ► Finicky it is to you know to do multitasking stuff on an iPad

01:50:01 ◼   ► But in another way it really feels when you have a keyboard connected to it and it's set up

01:50:05 ◼   ► It really feels like you can just fly around and that command space to do it

01:50:09 ◼   ► So you're not you're not worried about poking on the screen

01:50:12 ◼   ► You're not worried about which apps are in your dock or which you know

01:50:15 ◼   ► Oh, I want to get to this app, but it's not even on the first home screen

01:50:18 ◼   ► I'm it's almost like introducing quicksilver to to a device where suddenly your keyboard just ever you you you you

01:50:24 ◼   ► Switch your POV about how this thing works and it just flies

01:50:27 ◼   ► You mentioned the the app deliveries a while ago, which is a fantastic little app. It's it's I don't know what it costs

01:50:34 ◼   ► It's a couple of bucks

01:50:35 ◼   ► But and it's been around since it started life as a dashboard widget. Remember that sure did

01:50:39 ◼   ► Now it's a real app for iOS and for Mac and you just no matter who's shipping you something whether it's like

01:50:46 ◼   ► FedEx or UPS or the Postal Service if you've got a tracking number you copy it on for that matter

01:50:52 ◼   ► Yeah, you if you type in your Amazon and you're logged in with your email

01:50:55 ◼   ► You get the full details or you can even just type in a link to it and it'll know right?

01:50:59 ◼   ► So you copy the tracking number you go to deliveries and deliveries will be like hey

01:51:03 ◼   ► your clipboard looks like a UPS tracking number. Would you like to add an item?" And it couldn't

01:51:07 ◼   ► make it more easier.

01:51:09 ◼   ► And it syncs. And it syncs across everything.

01:51:11 ◼   ► Yeah, that's the thing. It uses iCloud for syncing and it's all rock solid. And whatever

01:51:16 ◼   ► you've entered on one machine shows up elsewhere. And I've got the…

01:51:19 ◼   ► The second you update it on your Mac, your watch will ding.

01:51:22 ◼   ► Yeah. And you can use the Today widget on your phone. So you just flip over to the side.

01:51:27 ◼   ► And if there's anything coming, it'll say, "Here's your things that are coming. It's

01:51:31 ◼   ► days away, it's one day away. And if there's nothing, then there's nothing. It's great.

01:51:35 ◼   ► Anyway, but that to me is a perfect type of app where like when you want to get to deliveries,

01:51:41 ◼   ► you want to get to it right now and just paste this thing in but you probably not going to

01:51:44 ◼   ► put it in your dock is like one of your most frequently used apps. So like the the the

01:51:51 ◼   ► the command space for spotlight, D e l return is it's phenomenal, but it really makes it

01:51:59 ◼   ► in some weird ways, even though you think like the iPad is the one that's a weird computer

01:52:03 ◼   ► with a keyboard, it's sort of meant to be used just as a touchscreen. It is kind of

01:52:08 ◼   ► awesome with a keyboard. Right? Oh, it's absolutely. And you'll never see one of the most interesting

01:52:15 ◼   ► parts of this you'll never see until you put a keyboard on there, which is the little tab

01:52:19 ◼   ► switcher. So like you're no longer so you don't have to do three swipes, bottom swipes,

01:52:24 ◼   ► To say you don't have to go three bottom swipes. He goes tab either command tab tick tick tick and it takes you right there

01:52:31 ◼   ► It's it's pretty wild if you've never used it. Yeah. Anyway, that's my take on the iPad. Hey Jake. It is a very

01:52:37 ◼   ► complicated

01:52:40 ◼   ► Very complicated pretty wild though

01:52:42 ◼   ► I mean boy just maybe a subtle change of a pretty wild is if I flip on the right Bluetooth thing

01:52:48 ◼   ► So that I'm now the keyboard is now hooked up to the iPad. I hit space

01:52:52 ◼   ► I book get my face a tiny bit closer and it logs me straight in without touching the screen

01:52:57 ◼   ► Isn't that insane with the camera on the side? Yeah, I did not explain that well to people you

01:53:03 ◼   ► If you're using a keyboard, you don't have to you don't have to touch anything except the keyboard

01:53:07 ◼   ► Yeah, just as it sees your face and knows who you are

01:53:09 ◼   ► you can just like double tap the spacebar and yeah, and it's it's exactly it's

01:53:13 ◼   ► It just like on the phone. I mean, I don't understand the people who who are ambivalent better about face

01:53:19 ◼   ► It's got I want to stipulate it has gotten way better

01:53:22 ◼   ► I do not I disagree wildly with you view fans who said that you stopped noticing it after a day

01:53:27 ◼   ► I never stopped noticing it, but then I think it was a software update. It wasn't the tennis

01:53:32 ◼   ► It was I think it was a software update. It has gotten way better and it's crazy fast on the iPad

01:53:37 ◼   ► Yeah, it's it really I honestly don't I really don't notice it hardly at all on the iPad if it's in the right position

01:53:42 ◼   ► It really feels like you don't have a passcode on your device

01:53:45 ◼   ► It just feels like it's always ready to go double tap the spacebar and I'm convinced

01:53:50 ◼   ► Apple hasn't mentioned this but I a couple of the reviews that I've read I didn't mention it in mine

01:53:54 ◼   ► But a couple of the reviews have read and they all say the same thing that I think it works at a greater viewing angle

01:54:00 ◼   ► Than the phone because it's like you don't even have to be square in front of the iPad

01:54:04 ◼   ► You can be off to the side a little bit and it still works. I've been using this part-time for 16 hours

01:54:09 ◼   ► So I definitely feel like I can say this at this point

01:54:12 ◼   ► I have a microphone in front of my face right now.

01:54:14 ◼   ► And if I move just the tiniest bit,

01:54:16 ◼   ► it has no problem seeing me.

01:54:17 ◼   ► I agree.

01:54:18 ◼   ► That was my beef, John.

01:54:19 ◼   ► It wasn't just, it wasn't the time it took

01:54:21 ◼   ► once it recognized you to unlock it.

01:54:24 ◼   ► It was the time it took to recognize you.

01:54:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:54:27 ◼   ► - And I got a lot of false, like, oh, you got, no,

01:54:29 ◼   ► I need you to hold it here.

01:54:31 ◼   ► It's almost like you've got those index lenses

01:54:33 ◼   ► where I can see good far away here,

01:54:35 ◼   ► but I got to look down and hold it

01:54:36 ◼   ► in exactly the right spot here to read.

01:54:39 ◼   ► That's how I felt.

01:54:39 ◼   ► And I do agree with you.

01:54:41 ◼   ► I isn't that would be a strange thing not to announce. I ordered Oh, they don't want

01:54:46 ◼   ► the I didn't want the iPhone to look right. I think that might be it. I think they don't

01:54:49 ◼   ► want to say it has a better viewing angle. I will say based on my extensive use over

01:54:54 ◼   ► something like 16 hours. So far it has it has definitely it's much more. You know that

01:55:02 ◼   ► you know that $1500 phone we're selling? Yeah, this is better than that. I don't think they

01:55:07 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:55:08 ◼   ► - I don't, you know.

01:55:09 ◼   ► But it is.

01:55:10 ◼   ► - I wonder if that came out of something they learned

01:55:13 ◼   ► or caused to happen out of the need

01:55:16 ◼   ► to change the way it detects a different,

01:55:19 ◼   ► how am I putting this, terrible.

01:55:20 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:55:21 ◼   ► - If you want your iPhone to detect your face,

01:55:22 ◼   ► you have to hold it a certain way at a certain angle.

01:55:24 ◼   ► It can't be upside down, it can't be sideways.

01:55:26 ◼   ► Whereas the iPad just gets where your face is.

01:55:29 ◼   ► Do you think it's something--

01:55:30 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:55:31 ◼   ► I don't know what the explanation is.

01:55:33 ◼   ► - Ask them, you know those jackals, ask them.

01:55:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'll ask.

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01:58:47 ◼   ► So I look, we're in two hours in, we haven't talked about this election two years ago.

01:58:52 ◼   ► We, I don't think it has to be too surpassingly long. No, uh, because I don't have, I don't have

01:58:57 ◼   ► that that much to say, but I think it's worth the, I think it's worth revisiting over the,

01:59:02 ◼   ► over the years you and I have done a few things that, that have achieved evergreen status, right?

01:59:07 ◼   ► Like we got two things, two things we've ever done that anybody cares about. Yeah. We talked

01:59:11 ◼   ► about blogs right around the time people stopped making blogs. Right. And we talked about the 2016

01:59:16 ◼   ► election when it was too late to do anything about it. So you're welcome, everybody.

01:59:19 ◼   ► An awful lot of remember to like and subscribe and have a lot of people who took the

01:59:23 ◼   ► 2016 election as hard as we did. Really appreciated our show talking about it.

01:59:30 ◼   ► It seemingly has stood up there from people and you I've seen you know, people tweet at us or

01:59:36 ◼   ► something people like you know, I listened to it when it was new and it really helped.

01:59:39 ◼   ► And you know, from you know, middle of this July 2018. They're like, you know, I'd listen to it

01:59:44 ◼   ► it again just to see. And it was like, you know what, it really stands up. You guys did

01:59:47 ◼   ► a great thing. I'm going to listen to this episode every couple months forever. And it's

01:59:52 ◼   ► like, that's pretty impressive.

01:59:53 ◼   ► Jared Polin That feels good.

01:59:54 ◼   ► Dave Asprey Yeah. And we so we tried to talk about a polarizing

01:59:58 ◼   ► election in a non-polarizing way.

02:00:01 ◼   ► Jared Polin At first.

02:00:02 ◼   ► Dave Asprey At first.

02:00:03 ◼   ► Jared Polin You're not going to catch everybody.

02:00:07 ◼   ► Dave Asprey And, you know, there's a lot that's happened

02:00:10 ◼   ► in the last two years. There's a lot that's, as always with this, there's a lot that's

02:00:14 ◼   ► We're gonna be okay. John, you think we're gonna be all right.

02:00:16 ◼   ► There's a lot that's happened in the last two days.

02:00:18 ◼   ► I would like to please issue a correction and an apology.

02:00:22 ◼   ► We're not going to be fine. What the fuck was I talking about? I was whistling.

02:00:27 ◼   ► You were, you had had a holiday party.

02:00:28 ◼   ► I was very nervous and I was whistling past the graveyard and I said something

02:00:32 ◼   ► really, really stupid in the interest of comforting myself and our listeners,

02:00:35 ◼   ► which is, I said, I think we're going to be fine. I don't think we're fine.

02:00:38 ◼   ► I don't think we've been fine. I don't think we're going to be fine. And, uh,

02:00:44 ◼   ► We, you know, at that point I had lived with the election about as long as I've lived with

02:00:47 ◼   ► this new iPad pro, but we sure as shit aren't going to be fine.

02:00:52 ◼   ► No, it's just, it's not fine.

02:00:54 ◼   ► It is very bad.

02:00:55 ◼   ► You want to shoot?

02:00:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:00:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:00:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:00:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:01:00 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:01:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:01:02 ◼   ► You know, a lot of people aren't going to be fine.

02:01:03 ◼   ► I think it's worth acknowledging.

02:01:04 ◼   ► It wasn't fine.

02:01:05 ◼   ► It's not going to be fine.

02:01:06 ◼   ► I don't know if we'll ever be fine again.

02:01:08 ◼   ► Well, one of the things is that I get confused over. I want to simplify it. I want to simplify

02:01:15 ◼   ► my view of politics. I want to stop obsessing. I want to spend more time on talking about

02:01:23 ◼   ► new iPads and less time thinking about the destruction of the planet. And I think, well,

02:01:27 ◼   ► what's really important? Which one is important? And I think, well, and this is partly why

02:01:33 ◼   ► I was having a holiday party two years ago is I couldn't narrow it. I think to myself,

02:01:37 ◼   ► know what the worst part about this is going to be the climate change because climate change

02:01:41 ◼   ► is you know we got to fix this or it'll get already behind the count on that right we

02:01:46 ◼   ► need every day to get this fixed even then we need it and there's all sorts of other

02:01:50 ◼   ► stuff you know like they put a numb nut on the Supreme Court well guess what even the

02:01:55 ◼   ► you know 40 years from now there's nobody on the court who's still going to be on the

02:01:58 ◼   ► court you know that will you know even if it takes a long time for the Supreme Court

02:02:03 ◼   ► be flushed. You know, history has a long time. Whereas the climate thing I get I get worked up

02:02:08 ◼   ► about because if we don't, if we're already behind, and if we don't fix this, it isn't going to be

02:02:14 ◼   ► fixable, right? It's, you know, Miami is going to be under six feet of water. And, you know, that you

02:02:18 ◼   ► can't just, you know, a couple of buckets. Yeah, I'm gonna fix it. But then then I convinced myself

02:02:25 ◼   ► that no, no, even as bad as that is, it's the normalizing racism is the bigger problem.

02:02:34 ◼   ► And, you know, just sort of emboldening people. You know, I'm not surprised that there's an awful

02:02:41 ◼   ► lot of white nationalist racist jerks in America. No, no, he never takes any of the opportunities

02:02:48 ◼   ► that he has to be empathetic to anybody except himself and other people in power. But even today,

02:02:54 ◼   ► even today, the day of those shootings, the shootings in California, he only ever

02:03:00 ◼   ► finds, all he can find in himself is the, he has such a hard-on for men in

02:03:05 ◼   ► uniform. And he's always so, he's always so into these, the troops and the

02:03:09 ◼   ► first responders. Nothing against them, thanks, thank you for your service. But

02:03:12 ◼   ► you know what, could you have a little empathy for the people who were just

02:03:15 ◼   ► out having a drink that night? Do you have to, do you have to have such a

02:03:18 ◼   ► bukkake party for the one cop? You know, how about everybody else? How about

02:03:22 ◼   ► all the other people that every other president has ever found the ability

02:03:25 ◼   ► talking about normalizing he is normalizing an utter lack of empathy as

02:03:30 ◼   ► something that is not only okay but is desirable and makes you seem tough you're

02:03:36 ◼   ► seeing it emulated in the other candidates I'm not even seeing that's

02:03:38 ◼   ► anywhere near the biggest problem but the way that he has normalized that kind

02:03:42 ◼   ► of self-absorption and utter lack of empathy for anybody but the people that

02:03:47 ◼   ► could serve him that's gonna be with us for a long time too because now that's

02:03:50 ◼   ► the only way to fight it is to be the same way. It's where of a

02:03:53 ◼   ► generation where we, you know, I think you and I, I think we

02:03:58 ◼   ► maybe even talked about it two years ago is I remember being a

02:04:01 ◼   ► kid in the 70s, you know, a little kid, five, six, whatever.

02:04:04 ◼   ► And the fact that I had like, openly racist, great uncle, like

02:04:09 ◼   ► a guy who you would say, like, Hey, are you racist? And he

02:04:12 ◼   ► would just say, Oh, yeah, yeah, I don't like black people, you

02:04:14 ◼   ► know, it was just it was just that that was a thing of people

02:04:18 ◼   ► of a certain generation. And I kind of caught the tail end of it, of being able to have

02:04:23 ◼   ► like a great uncle who was just nobody, nobody saying anything about it. Nobody even rolling

02:04:27 ◼   ► their eyes and going, Oh, oh, Phil. Like, no, it was just that's, what was it? Like

02:04:32 ◼   ► Christmas story when he says his father, you know, painted with obscenities the way other

02:04:36 ◼   ► people would that way. Yes, my family painted with racism. It was just that's how they were,

02:04:43 ◼   ► - Totally normal, totally normal.

02:04:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I remember that, and then I just,

02:04:49 ◼   ► I took it for granted,

02:04:50 ◼   ► and I'm obviously approaching the whole thing

02:04:53 ◼   ► from a position of tremendous privilege

02:04:56 ◼   ► in terms of being a healthy white man,

02:05:00 ◼   ► heterosexual, anything you can check off

02:05:05 ◼   ► as not really being susceptible to bigotry,

02:05:10 ◼   ► I've got it, really.