00:00:02 ◼ ► This is the day after the Big Apple event and every other person on my list of guests to have on the show soon is either
00:00:08 ◼ ► Traveling home from the Apple event or is going to be out trick-or-treating with their young children
00:00:27 ◼ ► You weren't on for a long time and now you're on back-to-back and we can judge how we did
00:00:52 ◼ ► They played that I love New York song and the thing yesterday and then one I'd never heard that song before and one of the lines
00:01:00 ◼ ► Love the stink of it or something. No, I love New York, but I I literally am fresh off the train
00:01:16 ◼ ► I thought I said I would eat my hat if Adobe didn't get to demo Photoshop for iPad, which they did
00:01:21 ◼ ► Yeah, so I don't really said yeah, so I don't leave any yeah, I mean and I don't think there's any way
00:01:26 ◼ ► We would have thought that they were not going to do that. Yeah, so I don't think there are any hats
00:01:29 ◼ ► I'm supposed to eat but I don't think this is I don't and I don't think that's revisionist history
00:01:47 ◼ ► Do being on stage for that to do to do Photoshop for iPad that I didn't even take a hat
00:02:14 ◼ ► Yeah, it is a it is a little credit card phone. I think Dan Fromer and I talked about it then
00:02:18 ◼ ► at some point. But yeah, there is a new phone that some company who has purchased the rights
00:02:24 ◼ ► to the name palm is calling a palm phone, but it's just an Android phone. I can't say who had it,
00:02:31 ◼ ► I believe, believe they're under an NDA. But, you know, and you go to these press things,
00:02:36 ◼ ► you get to see stuff like that, you know, somebody else was carrying it around, and I saw it and it
00:02:40 ◼ ► is adorable, but it is definitely not something that you could use as your main phone. I mean,
00:02:50 ◼ ► the point is that you can try and disconnect and turn off those things that are distractions.
00:02:55 ◼ ► Yeah, but the battery life or whatever. The battery life is so bad though, that even if
00:02:58 ◼ ► you're not using it, like if somebody is thinking, well, I could get it because I want to cut down on
00:03:03 ◼ ► using my phone. Like I don't even think that if it was your one and only phone that you could just
00:03:07 ◼ ► keep it in your pocket all day and have it. You know, not even that's a feature so you don't get
00:03:12 ◼ ► distracted. So not only is the screen too small to really use, it's not supposed to be on the phone,
00:03:17 ◼ ► turn the phone off. Right. It dies at 11am. You should just carry around a potato. Yeah.
00:03:22 ◼ ► It does seem like it is. It's not like a piece of junk. It does seem like a nice little iPhone.
00:03:39 ◼ ► wow and like the only button is the power button and so i said well how do you turn the volume
00:03:55 ◼ ► did you i i i guess i should have asked before you started the show did you watch the event
00:04:05 ◼ ► yesterday. That would have been a little awkward if I had not. Yes, I watched the event.
00:04:15 ◼ ► as far as the event goes, the event was fine. I think the announcements were nice. I mean,
00:04:20 ◼ ► we got to see the things that we were hoping to see and they turned out pretty well, if rather pricey.
00:04:26 ◼ ► It was a very rapidly paced event. I was talking to some friends at The Verge and those guys,
00:04:39 ◼ ► busy after these events. I don't know how they do it because you know, there's in the hands-on area,
00:04:43 ◼ ► they're getting the footage that they can edit together and then have like a narrow, you know,
00:04:48 ◼ ► narrate a, you know, here's what Apple announced today and get all this together and get it out,
00:04:52 ◼ ► you know, by like early afternoon. But they like to, um, and smart too, because they're on this
00:04:59 ◼ ► tight deadline. So what they like to do is every time there's like at the end of each section when
00:06:31 ◼ ► we'll get you a seat closer to the front." And I was like, "Thank you." I wouldn't say that I need,
00:06:39 ◼ ► Pretty close. So I said, "I don't need to be up front, up front. Just middle of the theater
00:06:46 ◼ ► would be fine. I'm not blind, but from the back, I definitely can't read the small print." And the
00:06:52 ◼ ► small print is often what I'm interested in. They're like, "Don't worry, John, we'll take
00:06:54 ◼ ► care of you. I'm in the third row. I was literally right behind in the second row right in front of
00:07:01 ◼ ► me was the guy with the the camera for the live stream shooting people on stage. I mean, there's
00:07:08 ◼ ► also I think there was also sit in front of him Johnny I've. So that was Johnny Ives head that
00:07:14 ◼ ► everybody could see I believe so. Yeah, because it was um, it was slightly distracting.
00:07:25 ◼ ► That's interesting. It might have been. I can't remember exactly. I was watching it on my iPad,
00:07:31 ◼ ► I will try to post. Let's see if any of my photos turned out usable. I have some photos that sort of
00:07:38 ◼ ► show the perspective of the camera guy looking at his display and the camera and Johnny Eye in
00:07:43 ◼ ► front of him and whoever was currently speaking on the thing. It was a pretty good seat.
00:07:48 ◼ ► So another seating related question then you were probably close to other Apple people was the was it retail?
00:07:55 ◼ ► Do you know if yes retail packed in there? Yes, I know for a fact that it was and they got excellent seats
00:08:22 ◼ ► But anyway right behind us in the fourth row were a couple of young women clearly from retail
00:08:47 ◼ ► It's hmm. They mourn they more know when they're supposed to applaud and the yeah things that they're supposed to applaud
00:08:53 ◼ ► Yeah, whereas the the retail people who filled up and they had you know, they had 2,000 some seats and they don't invite anywhere nearly
00:09:05 ◼ ► You know doesn't add up close to 2,000 so they had hundreds and I don't know how many you know
00:09:13 ◼ ► super enthusiastic throughout the whole thing clearly aren't like the sort of even though they work in an Apple retail store and obviously are like
00:09:29 ◼ ► But they didn't know anything about what was coming up so like for example when when they announced the iPad Pro and they said
00:09:48 ◼ ► When they showed how because it's a USB C port you can now charge your iPhone from your iPad
00:10:01 ◼ ► During this I don't know if you could hear it on the live stream, but during the NBA game demo
00:10:10 ◼ ► It was just so much fun. So after the thing was over, uh, Panzareno and I turned around
00:10:17 ◼ ► and introduced ourselves and we're, and they were just like, uh, what do you guys do? You
00:10:24 ◼ ► awesome. And we're like, well, what are you guys doing? They work in retail actually in,
00:10:33 ◼ ► of Philadelphia. I was like, I'm from Philly. I know the suburban square store before we
00:10:45 ◼ ► less the whole eastern seaboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's somehow it seemed like it was retail
00:11:12 ◼ ► I think that these are people who, you know, they're not the least bit jaded by these things.
00:11:19 ◼ ► I'm sure all of them had, you know, it was the sort of thing that if you're an enthusiastic
00:11:27 ◼ ► cold in New York yesterday, but still a nice day. And if all the retail people are from
00:11:34 ◼ ► more or less the Northeast, you know, they're used to it. All the California people from
00:11:37 ◼ ► Apple were dying. Somebody I know in Applebee art, she was wearing this. It wasn't that
00:11:52 ◼ ► cold. It was like 46 degrees Fahrenheit. You know, it's a chilly day, a little bit of wind.
00:11:55 ◼ ► wearing a parka. She had the hood. Oh, she looked like Kenny on the what's that cartoon called
00:12:01 ◼ ► South Park. You know, she had the parka up over her head and cinched. So she's just looking at the
00:12:07 ◼ ► thing. And she's shivering. And I'm just like, Why don't you go inside? Like, and she's like,
00:12:13 ◼ ► I need to greet people. I was like, it's torture watching. I thought it was cool. It was a very,
00:12:21 ◼ ► it's a beautiful, you know, everybody, you know, no surprise, the Brooklyn Academy of Music is a
00:12:24 ◼ ► beautiful theater. They had the hands-on area around the corner. You didn't even have to cross
00:12:28 ◼ ► the street in this—I forget the name of it—one Hudson place. It's like a former bank, like a
00:12:35 ◼ ► turn-of-the-last-century bank. You know, like the way that they just don't build banks like
00:12:41 ◼ ► that anymore. Like a cathedral, a cathedral to money. Carved ceiling and stained glass.
00:12:48 ◼ ► It's funny that none of them, yeah, I mean, none of those are, I mean, well, I shouldn't
00:13:09 ◼ ► And then there's the Brooklyn, I don't know if it's got a name, but it's the Apple Store.
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00:19:42 ◼ ► Uh, you know, I think he's gotten, he continues to get better and better at being the, the
00:19:49 ◼ ► host of these shows. Uh, it's, uh, you know, among all the different ways that replacing
00:19:56 ◼ ► Steve jobs is difficult, you know, replacing them as the guy who comes out at these Apple
00:20:06 ◼ ► three, four times a year, maybe, whereas there are other aspects of his job as CEO that are
00:20:13 ◼ ► every single day, from when he wakes up until he goes to sleep. But this is the one that's
00:22:26 ◼ ► think I kind of get it. It's not about not having affection for the product or not caring about it
00:22:32 ◼ ► or having a disregard for the people who want to buy it. It's more complicated than that.
00:22:48 ◼ ► it's a higher price than I'd like, but it really makes you wonder why the MacBook is still in the
00:22:55 ◼ ► lineup yeah well and i know what their line is their line is some people want the lightest yeah
00:23:02 ◼ ► laptop possible but the difference isn't that great right well it's three quarters of a pound
00:23:11 ◼ ► now you're doing a triathlon they didn't have any side by side they only you know the only products
00:23:19 ◼ ► they had in the hands-on area are were the new ones although they did have some some macbook
00:23:24 ◼ ► pros for some of the stations, but they didn't have any 12-inch MacBooks for comparison.
00:23:31 ◼ ► I think because, "Ooh, this is so small and light." Well, here's one that's smaller and lighter.
00:23:41 ◼ ► and our Twitter universe, the people who follow me—and I see this. This is a very, very common
00:23:48 ◼ ► question for me on Twitter in the last 24 hours is, "Who the hell is buying this 12-inch MacBook now?"
00:24:19 ◼ ► it's you're paying more and getting less of a computer in terms of you know how fast the CPU is
00:24:24 ◼ ► etc. Just to have smaller and lighter. I wouldn't I don't think especially I really you know,
00:24:33 ◼ ► it doesn't mean I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, maybe there are people who are concerned
00:24:38 ◼ ► about that. But that that's small difference in weight. But yeah, it's not me. Well, and the other
00:24:46 ◼ ► question that goes with that particular device is why wasn't it updated? And you know, again,
00:24:56 ◼ ► a product wasn't updated. It remains remains a product. Right. It's it's it's a different
00:25:12 ◼ ► the podcast to go to for any kind of technical analysis of Intel's product line. I just don't
00:25:21 ◼ ► because those guys know it and they'll tell you all about it. But But basically, you know,
00:25:26 ◼ ► I think that the 12 inch MacBook uses something called the M three and the M is for mobile
00:25:30 ◼ ► and it's you know, it's what allows the MacBook not to have a fan. And because it's sort of
00:25:37 ◼ ► more like Intel's attempt at something like the A12 or A11, you know. And supposedly these
00:25:46 ◼ ► chips that are in the new MacBook Air, which Intel is calling a core i5, it's, you know,
00:25:57 ◼ ► a lot more about this may say, well, it's sort of a dodge, it's like a marketing thing,
00:26:04 ◼ ► like mobile. Who knows? You know? Yeah, well, some people know, but I don't care. It's faster.
00:26:12 ◼ ► The Air is faster than the MacBook, but it's not as fast as a MacBook Pro. It's exactly what you
00:26:17 ◼ ► would think based on the product marketing. And the price, and you know, I complain about the
00:26:33 ◼ ► you're forced into it forces you perfectly into awkward choices. It would have been nice. It would
00:26:38 ◼ ► have it would have been nice if they could have said and you know the entry level model with eight
00:26:44 ◼ ► gigs of ram and 128 gigs of storage is 999 and the old macbook air is gone that would have been nice
00:26:53 ◼ ► but it's not it's 1199 you know it's 200 more bucks but i think the good news is that now that
00:27:01 ◼ ► we've seen the future of the MacBook Air and a totally you know every single bit of it from the
00:27:07 ◼ ► footprint to the silhouette to the keyboard to the display. This is obviously the future of the
00:27:13 ◼ ► MacBook Air and now we can see the clear path to where this will be $9.99 a year from now. You know
00:27:20 ◼ ► I don't know probably you know. I mean they have I think there have been times before when the lowest
00:27:26 ◼ ► priced laptop was 1100 bucks. Yeah, well, it'll at least be cheaper than it is now it will get
00:27:32 ◼ ► cheaper. Yeah. You know, so that's the you know, it's not good news if you need one right now,
00:27:38 ◼ ► and you're really kind of hoping to either get one for 999 or to get more for 1200 dollars,
00:27:49 ◼ ► I think for a lot of people, I think one of the big differences I really do think that most of
00:28:01 ◼ ► performance on the Mac as a thing that affects their work. I really think that anybody who's
00:28:13 ◼ ► other workflow. They showed yesterday, they had this in the hands-on station, they showed
00:28:48 ◼ ► up to it. You know, as testing devices, it can run like a whole series of tests on those
00:28:58 ◼ ► know, meanwhile, the CPU on your MacBook Air and coffee shop is exercising itself blinking
00:29:10 ◼ ► performance, you know, and other, you know, they had like another setup for video people
00:29:14 ◼ ► who might stack five Mac minis on top of each other. And then when they're finished editing
00:29:20 ◼ ► a video, they can send it to those Mac minis. Because the big thing video people have to
00:29:31 ◼ ► of different formats and sizes. You can just send that to five Mac minis and they all work
00:29:42 ◼ ► The other thing in the lineup, the other thing in the Mac lineup that sticks out is the 13-inch
00:29:48 ◼ ► MacBook Pro without touch bar, both price-wise and feature-wise, aka the MacBook escape because
00:29:58 ◼ ► And the thing that really sticks out about it to me is all the MacBook Pros with a touch
00:30:09 ◼ ► get updated this week and it's what does it cost like twelve ninety nine I think I think
00:30:16 ◼ ► it starts at twelve ninety nine I think you're right I'm almost certain it starts at twelve
00:30:25 ◼ ► it is with even without an update that I was told unequivocally it is a faster computer
00:30:30 ◼ ► at there's there's almost there's no benchmark you could get that's going to make the MacBook
00:30:34 ◼ ► Air with the same amount of RAM perform better than that MacBook escape. It is faster. But
00:30:46 ◼ ► the keyboard on the new MacBook Air seems to be the keyboard that an awful lot of people
00:30:54 ◼ ► to pay for the Touch Bar. I don't think I'll use the Touch Bar, but I want that fingerprint
00:30:58 ◼ ► sensor. So can I have the old function keys and a nice escape key in the corner, but give
00:31:02 ◼ ► that fingerprints gets the sensor and they've that's that's what this device has but that
00:31:07 ◼ ► 13 inch MacBook Pro that doesn't have it and yet it costs more that kind of sticks out.
00:31:12 ◼ ► Yeah. So I don't know if that machine is here for the long run. I think one one side of looking
00:31:17 ◼ ► at it is that that machine is is going to go away. Yeah. And the other side was that maybe Apple
00:31:24 ◼ ► likes to keep it around just so they can say that the MacBook Pro lineup starts at 1299.
00:31:30 ◼ ► that doesn't seem like something apple would would would you know well the question i mean i guess
00:31:35 ◼ ► part of the question though is what is what is the future of the touch bar yeah because that
00:31:40 ◼ ► will change a lot of this equation yeah and again apple you can ask like well why doesn't you know
00:31:47 ◼ ► why why don't you have the option of a touch bar in a macbook air you know uh and you know and
00:31:52 ◼ ► they don't they're not going to come nobody's going to come out and say look it had to be
00:31:56 ◼ ► be cheaper. But effectively, that's the answer. You listen to what they say, and it's like,
00:32:09 ◼ ► I don't know. Do you get the sense that they have some sort of vision for the Touch Bar
00:32:21 ◼ ► I think it's a great idea in general. I think that a bunch of fiddly little keys, F1, F2,
00:32:28 ◼ ► F3, F4, is a really 1978 computer idea. And so Apple obviously thought that too because
00:32:36 ◼ ► for a very long time now they've all defaulted not to being F keys unless you hold down the
00:32:42 ◼ ► function, the little FN key, and they default to features like brightness and keyboard brightness
00:32:47 ◼ ► and volume. I think that replacing them is, you know, those keys with a touchscreen type
00:32:59 ◼ ► is the right answer. Friend of the show and our mutual friend Craig Hockenberry has had
00:33:03 ◼ ► a great idea that he proposed on a slack that you and I are on a couple weeks ago where
00:33:13 ◼ ► 8 era. There's a hack that can do that. I forget the name of it, but I downloaded it and tried it
00:33:20 ◼ ► out and it was very fiddly and sort of like beyond my patience to try to configure, but it shipped
00:33:29 ◼ ► with a bunch of defaults and I tried a couple of the defaults and they were nice and I think they
00:33:34 ◼ ► were probably better. Some of it concerned me because for some reason the weather widget that
00:33:39 ◼ ► they had for it was using a Russian weather site. I was like, "Hmm, not sure what's going on in the
00:33:45 ◼ ► background here." So I ended up uninstalling it. But I think that's completely right. I think a
00:33:51 ◼ ► control strip would be much more useful for a broader group of people. And the weird thing
00:33:58 ◼ ► about the whole thing is that it seems like it's really more appropriate for just general users
00:34:10 ◼ ► have physical keys because they they're the ones who actually rely on those function keys.
00:34:15 ◼ ► Yeah. So I don't know. I'm optimistic because I feel like Apple is not a company to they
00:34:21 ◼ ► they I feel like they're one of their strengths is that they recognize their mistakes, you
00:34:26 ◼ ► know, and it may take them a long time and they may be completely silent until you know,
00:34:30 ◼ ► they don't they don't acknowledge them until they have, you know, here, here's the answer.
00:34:39 ◼ ► and say, okay, we kind of we kind of we kind of missed this whole move to GPUs and back
00:34:45 ◼ ► painted ourselves in a thermal corner, etc, etc. So we're back to the drawing board, we're
00:34:48 ◼ ► going to make an all new Mac Pro, it's going to be awesome. And you have to wait like another
00:34:51 ◼ ► two years. Yeah, they don't do that very often. So but I'm optimistic that it's just software,
00:35:00 ◼ ► something different or improve what they have in a radical way, and because it's just software,
00:35:05 ◼ ► everybody would get it. Yeah. And when I got it, it felt to me like watch zero, watch OS one.
00:35:15 ◼ ► And I thought, well, it showed promise, but it needs to be taken to the next level. And they
00:35:23 ◼ ► eventually did that with the watch. And I get the sense now, looking back on the watch, that they
00:35:28 ◼ ► probably had an idea that it really was going to be like a health, you know, much more health centric,
00:35:32 ◼ ► but they didn't have all that stuff ready up front and they wanted to ship it. Yeah. When they had it
00:35:38 ◼ ► and so they worked that in but but I kind of get the sense that they did know that at the beginning
00:35:43 ◼ ► and I maybe there's the same thing going on here and that other shoe will drop eventually but
00:35:50 ◼ ► right now I just don't know what it is. Yeah and there's some some touch bar things that I really
00:35:55 ◼ ► don't get like when you're using Safari it like tries to show you things that represent your
00:36:00 ◼ ► tabs in the front most window I changed that I can't I can't understand them I don't I look at
00:36:06 ◼ ► them and there's nothing yeah you know you can't see what they yeah they're them in enough detail
00:36:11 ◼ ► to for it to make sense so I changed it to like I think I've got the forward and back button yeah
00:36:16 ◼ ► and like oh yeah and then they get a thing that shows you all of the open yeah tabs on the screen
00:36:23 ◼ ► I have to admit, one thing I do use, I don't have it, I don't have, I spent six or seven
00:36:28 ◼ ► weeks using MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar as a review unit over July and August. I did
00:36:34 ◼ ► find myself using, in a lot of dialogue boxes, the buttons show up in the Touch Bar, like
00:36:44 ◼ ► a big blue Verify button, I found myself using that a lot. Just because I'm staring at the
00:36:50 ◼ ► the keyboard to type my password or whatever it is I'm typing. And then there's the button
00:37:02 ◼ ► experience, people thinking very hard about the ways that they could plus it, to use Walt
00:37:07 ◼ ► Disney's term. But I will say this, at the event yesterday and milling about the hands-on
00:37:20 ◼ ► the touch bar came up, it was, are they still gonna just abandon the touch bar was way more
00:37:31 ◼ ► really didn't come up. It really didn't. Yeah. And the thing that people a lot of people
00:37:34 ◼ ► I heard, it's not just, you know, it's the very obvious thing. A lot of people are like,
00:37:47 ◼ ► and click the keyboard. So I can't can't fully get used to the touch board because I don't use it
00:37:53 ◼ ► like half the time. Yeah, it's not available. Yep. The other thing I thought was very striking
00:38:11 ◼ ► Apple's relationship with Intel is strained. Yeah, the word the name Intel was not once mentioned by
00:38:18 ◼ ► anybody on stage. Nobody verbally think I think you're I used to you type you've got some place I
00:38:22 ◼ ► think you're wrong about Yeah, I think the woman I can't remember. I can't I can't remember any
00:38:27 ◼ ► other name. Yeah. Well, they do a whole group of new people. I don't know who anybody was. I have
00:38:31 ◼ ► a minor complaint about that. I wish that they would put the name of the employees on screen.
00:38:42 ◼ ► Because that's one small thing that Tim Cook is doing now that I don't like anymore. So if
00:38:46 ◼ ► it's somebody new, he will announce their full name. Like, here's John Ternus. And like the woman
00:38:53 ◼ ► he gave her full name. I don't know it either. I know exactly who you're talking about. Tall,
00:38:59 ◼ ► blonde woman. She was great. I think she said it all at some point. Yeah. Well, if she did,
00:39:04 ◼ ► she said it once. I was kind of listening. It might have been once and I'm almost certain that
00:39:09 ◼ ► then the word Intel only appeared on one slide and it was a very small print. It was sort of like the
00:39:16 ◼ ► like the diagram of the inside of the MacBook Air and in pointing out like here's this,
00:39:25 ◼ ► here's that, here's that, you know, here's where the chip is, here's where the graphics thing is,
00:39:33 ◼ ► eighth generation, whatever, and point into a thing. And then the entire Mac mini thing,
00:39:38 ◼ ► they didn't use the word Intel in any of the slides. Very telling. And they never talked
00:39:43 ◼ ► about the chip. They never said anything about what it can do. And compare and contrast that
00:39:48 ◼ ► with the iPad Pro later, where they were talking about it. Yeah. And part of it is I think that
00:39:52 ◼ ► they're very clearly unhappy with Intel and the performance of Intel chips over the last few years.
00:40:00 ◼ ► part of it is it's very it's not just rumors to me at this point this event made it very clear to
00:40:06 ◼ ► me that apple is on the cusp of moving the mac to their own arm chips yeah i mean what does cusp
00:40:12 ◼ ► mean does it mean 2019 i i don't know but at least in their hearts they're they've checked out
00:40:19 ◼ ► of their relationship with intel it was well and you could see and it was some of it was just
00:40:24 ◼ ► pretty obvious and when they did mention things like that they would say um the new mac mini is
00:40:30 ◼ ► five times faster than the old one which four years ago the last part left unsaid and then
00:40:37 ◼ ► you know they would talk about how much faster the iPad was it's 10,000 times faster than
00:40:43 ◼ ► the one that shipped last year right but and I think the other problem they had is that
00:40:47 ◼ ► they couldn't really brag about how fast the you know the Mac mini or the MacBook Air was
00:40:53 ◼ ► at doing X like some real world task because if it was a task that could be done on the
00:41:00 ◼ ► a new iPad Pro, the iPad Pro would embarrass it. Like, I don't know what, you know, I didn't
00:41:05 ◼ ► try to sneak into the hands on area, try to sneak Geekbench into the hands on area thing.
00:41:12 ◼ ► Some people do that. And I don't know, I honestly, I guess because you can download Geekbench,
00:41:21 ◼ ► store to authorize it. But you know, people try to do it. I'm quite sure that like Geekbench
00:41:27 ◼ ► scores would show the iPad Pro embarrassing the MacBook Air in terms of performance and
00:41:33 ◼ ► you know, alright, Geekbench is just an arbitrary benchmark in real world performance. So this
00:41:41 ◼ ► is an Apple. You know, you know, they obviously had a bunch of people from Adobe there. One
00:41:47 ◼ ► of the hands on stations yesterday was to show Lightroom. Austin Mann was actually there
00:41:54 ◼ ► to the photographer. I've linked to him on during Fireball a couple times. He does these
00:41:57 ◼ ► great iPhone camera reviews where he goes like around the world like he'll go to Africa or
00:42:02 ◼ ► Patagonia. You know, so everybody knows his reviews. They're there. He's a terrific photographer.
00:42:08 ◼ ► These are amazing shots. And he's also just a great he's a really friendly person and and and
00:42:13 ◼ ► his enthusiasm for encouraging everyone to be more creative as a photographer with their device is
00:42:20 ◼ ► just it's contagious. Anyway, he was there and they were using some of his photos that he had shot with
00:42:26 ◼ ► a hassle bed. I don't know how much a hassle bed costs, but it costs a lot. And it shoots
00:42:33 ◼ ► 50 megapixel images. And of course, they're raw. I don't even know if a hassle bed doesn't
00:42:39 ◼ ► shoot raw. So these are raw images from a hassle bed that are 50 megapixels. And they're
00:42:55 ◼ ► fast you pinch as though it's like a simple little photo off your iPad or taken with the
00:43:08 ◼ ► got to play with it and you can just say like turn it black and white and it's like this
00:43:10 ◼ ► whole 50 megapixel thing. It's almost as though the adjustments you make in Lightroom have
00:43:15 ◼ ► been already computed and you're just switching between images. And then they had a 15-inch
00:43:22 ◼ ► MacBook Pro next to it also running Lightroom. And the demo wasn't to make the MacBook Pro
00:43:44 ◼ ► as you sit down at a Mac, you don't have to do anything. They're already there. You know,
00:43:47 ◼ ► that was the demo. But I opened the same image on the MacBook Pro and use the trackpad to
00:43:51 ◼ ► pinch to zoom. And it you know, it was fast and I used to use Lightroom. I love Lightroom. I just
00:44:03 ◼ ► made things a little easier. It it scaled as you pinch to zoom in Lightroom on the trackpad. It's
00:44:12 ◼ ► scaled better than I remember Lightroom scaling a couple years ago on my Mac at home with far
00:44:22 ◼ ► And that's not because—that's just the way that the iPad Pro is fast in ways that don't
00:44:43 ◼ ► Well, one of the things that's come out since the event is that the terabyte one has twice the RAM.
00:44:52 ◼ ► You're skipping away. You're skipping ahead. You're skipping to iPad Pro. I kind of mentioned it.
00:44:55 ◼ ► I mentioned it only in the context of them not talking about Intel. Let's do Mac Mini first.
00:45:03 ◼ ► Yeah. But I got sidetracked by talking about how clearly Apple is going to move. There's just
00:45:09 ◼ ► 100% all the rumors aside, doesn't matter what, you know, Mark Gurman or has had sources to say,
00:45:16 ◼ ► which I think he's right. I think he's got it exactly right. But it just you don't need sources,
00:45:21 ◼ ► you can just listen to what they're enthusiastic about and why the iPad is as performant as it is.
00:45:27 ◼ ► And they need to bring that to the Mac, then and they just need to because these companies,
00:45:32 ◼ ► these systems aren't like it's not like the old days, when you can just take a computer
00:45:38 ◼ ► and pick the Intel chip out and put a newer Intel chip in and just stick it in a socket
00:45:43 ◼ ► and now it's a faster computer. Even though they are Intel-based computers, Apple is designing
00:45:48 ◼ ► these things as integrated holes the way they do with iOS devices, except they don't have
00:45:58 ◼ ► The Mac Mini. What about the colors for the MacBook Air? I think that's pretty, it's like
00:46:11 ◼ ► they've sort of switched to, there's like one true gold now for Apple's aluminum products,
00:46:17 ◼ ► you know, like the stainless steel gold is sort of a different look, but because I don't
00:46:26 ◼ ► sort of like it has a gold that has like a touch of pink, but you wouldn't call it rose
00:46:31 ◼ ► gold. I don't know how else to say it. I think if you like Apple's other recent gold products,
00:46:55 ◼ ► Somebody was speculating that because everybody bought space grey stuff as soon as they could that silver is gonna be the new space grey and people are gonna buy the
00:47:06 ◼ ► Yeah, I think that I think that space grey is a little bit more forgiving in terms of like
00:47:14 ◼ ► Think so, too because the MacBook Pro I had for a couple weeks this summer was was the space grey and you know
00:47:19 ◼ ► I had it and I got you know took it to the beach and I mean I don't use it on the beach beach
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00:47:36 ◼ ► Yeah, that's why it's good for them. I'm not surprised, but it's just another little way
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00:51:53 ◼ ► That's the story I was told. It's really great. They were like, "Look, we haven't updated
00:52:36 ◼ ► few years. I think it just would have made people who want the product to be alive feel
00:52:40 ◼ ► better because it's proof that Apple hasn't forgotten that the product is there. I think
00:53:04 ◼ ► to ask a question. I think people were afraid to ask about the Mac Mini cause he'd be like,
00:53:08 ◼ ► we still sell Mac Mini. What? And he'd be like, turn around to his shoulder and be like,
00:53:12 ◼ ► cancel that. There's one sitting over there. I think people were afraid, afraid to even
00:53:19 ◼ ► like I'm afraid Tim's gonna find out we're still selling this and kill it. But it ends up they made
00:53:24 ◼ ► a truly meaningful update. It is completely new. Everything is new about it, except as you said,
00:53:31 ◼ ► the form factor and that's based on their extensive, extensive conversations with their
00:53:38 ◼ ► biggest Mac Mini customers and that the things they heard is we want higher performance, we want
00:53:43 ◼ ► more RAM. We want you to go all SSD, you know, if we can get performance gains out of that.
00:53:58 ◼ ► Apple system, you know, ARM system on a chip that is used for like the secure enclave and stuff on
00:54:05 ◼ ► the MacBook Pros and then now with the MacBook Air that have the fingerprint sensor. The Mac Mini
00:54:11 ◼ ► obviously doesn't have touch ID or face ID because it, you know, there's nowhere to touch and it
00:54:16 ◼ ► doesn't have cameras. But it uses the T2 for all these other things that the T2 does like the it's
00:54:21 ◼ ► the it's the storage controller. So all this, you know, to get even faster SSD throughput,
00:54:28 ◼ ► it all goes through this instead of going through the CPU, all sorts of other things that that the
00:54:33 ◼ ► T2 can handle to make everything faster. I think that's where the video encoding comes from. Like,
00:54:39 ◼ ► They I think they said it was 900 times faster. Was it 90,000 times faster? I don't know. I think
00:54:45 ◼ ► it's a big number. h h vc video encoding is 900 times faster because they're not giving it to the
00:54:52 ◼ ► Intel CPU to do not because the Intel so slow but that it video encoding through a CPU is so much
00:55:00 ◼ ► less efficient than when you dedicate a little part of a hardware chip that you know, there's
00:55:04 ◼ ► a little part of the T two that the only thing it does is encode a GVC video. And it's like,
00:55:13 ◼ ► they heard from customers, though, is, here's the only thing is that we've, you know, we
00:55:28 ◼ ► you do, yeah, if you do change the size, we we can, we can deal with it. But if you can
00:55:40 ◼ ► Absolutely. So they called out long-time sponsor of the show, MacStadium. I don't know if they've
00:55:46 ◼ ► ever sponsored the podcast, but they've sponsored Daring Fireball many times. So I'll mention that
00:55:49 ◼ ► in the interest of full disclosure. Brian Stuckey is head--he used to run a business called Mac Mini
00:55:59 ◼ ► colo with the MAC Mini colocation. And MAC Stadium, I think it was a merger. But anyway,
00:56:07 ◼ ► what used to be MAC Mini colo is now MAC Stadium. And Brian Stuckey has been sponsoring
00:56:17 ◼ ► more like 15 years. One of the earliest sponsors. And I don't think I've ever met him actually,
00:56:27 ◼ ► see him, unfortunately. It's kind of hard to bump into everybody when there's 2,000 people,
00:56:32 ◼ ► but I know he was there, which is cool for him. I think he had to keep his mouth shut about going,
00:56:39 ◼ ► because I think if he'd been tweeting like, "I'm going to the Apple event," I think everybody—
00:56:49 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. But they showed max stadium and it was, you know, and they mentioned them on stage,
00:56:56 ◼ ► which was really cool. It's cool, you know, to me, for somebody who I've known for a long time,
00:56:59 ◼ ► I sort of ran this business as a little, you know, you know, started small and made it big.
00:57:04 ◼ ► But I was told that they there's all sorts of big companies that have similar set ups. I don't know
00:57:13 ◼ ► if they have quite as many Mac minis as Matt max stadium, but you know, thousands, literally,
00:57:17 ◼ ► there's a bunch of big companies with thousands of Mac Minis doing whatever. And they can't mention
00:57:24 ◼ ► them. They didn't even say who they were off the radar. It just wasn't worth it legally and getting
00:57:30 ◼ ► clearance. And a lot of these companies are so big that it's just, there's a bit of bureaucracy.
00:57:48 ◼ ► a lot of companies, you know, movie companies and stuff like that. I don't know, just just a lot of
00:57:52 ◼ ► people with that infrastructure. So keeping the form factor the same size was a big deal. And you
00:57:56 ◼ ► and I talked about this last week about the mini isn't all that many anymore. So why can't they
00:58:00 ◼ ► just make it smaller? And that's it? Because that's what many customers, many customers don't want
00:58:05 ◼ ► that. Basically, for however many consumers there are who would want that and wish it was more like
00:58:43 ◼ ► when you're doing any kind of movement, it'll pull it right off the table. And I would imagine,
00:58:47 ◼ ► I mean, you're not doing the same thing with one of those Intel NUCs, but to me, it doesn't need
00:58:53 ◼ ► to be that much smaller. So what's the retro pie? Is that like a raspberry pie type thing?
00:59:11 ◼ ► I just for the record, it's all on the open up. I paid for these at some point, I'm sure.
00:59:22 ◼ ► What else? What? What else about the magmini? I mean, there's not that much to say about it.
00:59:32 ◼ ► why will I will just say right here, I hats off to Mark Derman, who didn't have a lot of details
00:59:37 ◼ ► on it, but did did say all along that it was going to be geared toward toward a more professional
00:59:58 ◼ ► the old Mac Mini, especially I think the one that the previous generation in addition to
01:00:02 ◼ ► being old, was also I think, the least popular one ever, because they did things like solder
01:00:16 ◼ ► The catch is that it's not user accessible, meaning it's not like a simple thing where you
01:00:22 ◼ ► unscrew a little hatch and there's the RAM and you pop it out and put it in it's officially needs to
01:00:27 ◼ ► go to us authorized service provider because it's complicated to get to. So I think anybody who is an
01:00:54 ◼ ► Yeah. And I think that's part of that whole secure chain from the T2 to the storage controller
01:01:00 ◼ ► and through to the hard drive. So there's a reason for that. People may not like the reason, but
01:01:06 ◼ ► buy the storage you want when you configure it. But anyway, that's good news. Yeah, but effectively,
01:01:14 ◼ ► the old generation Mac Mini was made up of laptop components, and the new one is made up of desktop
01:01:20 ◼ ► components from the CPU to the RAM to the storage. And I think that's great. And it has tons of ports
01:01:26 ◼ ► on the back. That's another reason to keep the bigger size because it really is sort of ports
01:01:31 ◼ ► from one side to another. Lots of USB-C, a couple of the old USBs. It's got all sorts of ports.
01:01:40 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. The big ones, the little ones. One of the things I would say about the price difference
01:02:51 ◼ ► but obviously isn't coming out yet. So they had nothing to show. But it is a little weird
01:03:16 ◼ ► one in my life. I don't need one. I'm glad though for the people who do. I'm very happy
01:03:21 ◼ ► for all of you who are Mac Mini fans. I hope, I think everybody's happy. It seems like people
01:03:25 ◼ ► are happy. I guess I'm interested. You know, I'm going to wait a while and possibly pick
01:03:36 ◼ ► I think the base one would probably do fine. Yeah. I guess it kind of makes sense now too,
01:03:47 ◼ ► if you buy a Mac mini, it doesn't come with any keyboard or mouse. It's like bring your
01:03:50 ◼ ► own but now you know it's a space-grade device you can buy the space-grade iMac Pro keyboard
01:04:44 ◼ ► got the 11 inch iPad Pro 64 gigabytes and I just got the folio cover and then with taxes you know
01:04:53 ◼ ► it's practically a thousand dollars. It's a lot. Yeah and you know we were talking about this
01:04:59 ◼ ► before I mean and I don't want to bury it so we might as well lead with it. I mean the starting
01:05:04 ◼ ► price for these new iPad Pros is significantly higher than the previous starting point. I think
01:05:09 ◼ ► The old 10.5 iPad Pro started at $650. I'll round up a dollar. I get confused by $640, $650.
01:05:18 ◼ ► Now it's $800. So that's a big increase. And then the 12.9-inch one, I forget. Was it $999?
01:05:36 ◼ ► I guess you could get it for $799. Oh, I didn't know that. So you could get a 12.9 inch for
01:05:40 ◼ ► $799 and now it starts at $999. And they are selling older ones still, I guess, at their
01:05:48 ◼ ► lower price points. I don't know what to make of this. I know people are disappointed in
01:06:07 ◼ ► But I kind of feel like they're adding, you know, Apple, I don't feel like they're just
01:06:14 ◼ ► increasing prices, I don't, you know, just for the sake of increasing prices, and that they could be
01:06:20 ◼ ► selling these things at the prices from last year and still give you all of these improvements. I
01:06:26 ◼ ► think that they're like improving these products in significant ways that make them more expensive.
01:06:30 ◼ ► Like, it's I just tell you looking at having looked at the new iPads in person, they are
01:06:35 ◼ ► really, really impressive displays. And I think that these displays I think it's more expensive
01:06:41 ◼ ► to do this. It is. They're not just cutting the corners in a round circle there. There's a lot of
01:06:47 ◼ ► complicated stuff like neilite Patel and the verge had a great article about the iPhone 10 are and
01:06:52 ◼ ► the display masking and what they're doing to make the round corners look nice and not you don't see
01:07:58 ◼ ► in the 60 you know lowest storage configuration I want the entry level best iPad the price
01:08:10 ◼ ► and now the 10 s it's not so much about raising the price of the new best model it's making
01:08:17 ◼ ► the new best model a higher tier, you know, a premium product. And I will say having touched
01:08:29 ◼ ► side. Yeah, I love well, we talked about that. Yeah, we talked about that last we talked
01:08:32 ◼ ► about it in the context of the se. Yeah, I'm super excited. If you anybody who likes the
01:10:12 ◼ ► a little confusing in the hands. It was confusing to me in the hands-on area because they'd
01:10:18 ◼ ► Dave: Yeah, they'd hand it to me and they'd be like, "Here, you can play with it. Here's
01:10:22 ◼ ► the new pencil and you play with it." I'm like, "Wait, which one am I holding?" They're
01:11:32 ◼ ► pencil. I think it sounds like the smallest thing, but I think it just feels so much better.
01:11:40 ◼ ► It has a flat side. I know the old Apple Pencil was weighted so that it shouldn't roll off
01:11:51 ◼ ► it a flat side is the way to go. It no longer has a cap. The rumor came out that the iPad
01:12:03 ◼ ► switch the new pencil to USB-C." That was a good guess, but I think getting rid of anything
01:12:16 ◼ ► inductive charging is so much nicer. The fact that the flat side lets it stay stuck to the
01:13:26 ◼ ► No, I did not see that. Yeah. So I think they mentioned it in the event, but they didn't
01:13:29 ◼ ► really say it jumps you right to the system notes app. Uh, and you, it's a setting. You
01:13:35 ◼ ► can have it set to open your most recent note or always go to a new note. So if you use
01:13:41 ◼ ► the pencil to wake the screen, you can instantly go to, you know, whichever you prefer most
01:13:45 ◼ ► recent note or always a new note. And it's a lot like, um, when you take a photo without
01:14:03 ◼ ► you know, all without authenticating with face ID, you can't go look at your other notes.
01:14:10 ◼ ► Face ID works great in in the hands on area, you know, the the Apple employees had it trained
01:14:22 ◼ ► I observed with my own eyes it working upside down left, left, right, all four orientations.
01:14:28 ◼ ► That seems like a huge thing. There's a very cool animation that you get if your thumb is holding
01:14:36 ◼ ► the covering the sensor array. It will say your hand is I forget what it says like move your hand
01:14:46 ◼ ► move your hand dummy and then it has an arrow pointing to which you know where it's being
01:14:52 ◼ ► covered because you don't have to know you're not really supposed to know where that camera
01:14:56 ◼ ► you can use it in any orientation right and so if it's on the if your thumb is covering it on the
01:15:01 ◼ ► right it'll be an arrow pointing over there and if it's covering on the left the arrow will be over
01:15:05 ◼ ► there and and i and because i don't have a 10 or 10 anything higher than that um that's new right
01:15:24 ◼ ► that this the fact that it works in multiple orientations is done in software. And that
01:15:29 ◼ ► the reason it doesn't do it in software on the iPhone is that people don't hold the iPhone
01:15:32 ◼ ► upside down. So I mean, good enough. I have to say I don't I don't you know, I guess it
01:15:41 ◼ ► It would be nicer if it woke up in landscape, but I can't say that that's an annoyance.
01:16:15 ◼ ► Oh the pencil has engraving now you can get if you order it online you can get your pencil engraved
01:16:21 ◼ ► with your name and I wonder how much of that is just it has a flat side so why not and how much
01:16:27 ◼ ► of it is like people are like 20 yeah you're working in an office or 20 pencils and like is
01:17:03 ◼ ► I forget what Photoshop had it doing, but they had it doing something more Photoshop-specific.
01:17:10 ◼ ► That demo, that AR demo that they did with it, was actually, I think, one of the-- I mean,
01:17:16 ◼ ► I don't have an application for that, obviously, but I think that one looked really cool and
01:17:28 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, I saw in the hands on area, I saw a Lego demo again. And it's cool looking. And
01:17:41 ◼ ► that doesn't quite seem like it's almost on the table. It really does look like little Lego mini
01:17:45 ◼ ► figs running around the table. But I just don't I don't see the I see the appeal of a video game.
01:17:52 ◼ ► and I see the appeal of building Lego kits and I don't see the appeal of holding a thing in front
01:17:59 ◼ ► of a Lego kit and playing a video game. I don't see it. Well, I mean, like I said, I don't have
01:18:04 ◼ ► an applet. I mean, I'm not going to do a multi-layer Photoshop that I want to suddenly start animating,
01:18:13 ◼ ► but some people are probably going to need to do that. So the other big question I know that
01:18:20 ◼ ► Everybody has and I don't know what the answer is an apple isn't gonna to say is the big thing everybody
01:18:30 ◼ ► Thank you, and then I'm gonna mention USB C. Is it coming to yeah to certain other product?
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01:22:48 ◼ ► code talk show 2018. So lightning port. Yeah, a lot of people see this as the death now
01:23:02 ◼ ► devices and if the iPhone had USB C then you'd only need USB C chargers right you could have
01:23:09 ◼ ► a new recent vintage MacBook or MacBook Pro or MacBook Air you could have a recent vintage
01:23:16 ◼ ► iPad Pro or you could have like the next year's iPhone and then they'd all charge with USB
01:23:32 ◼ ► That was that was one of the funny things was one of the features that they announced for the iPad
01:24:03 ◼ ► I guess it kind of makes sense because now everything that uses a charging cable charges via USB C and the port is
01:24:13 ◼ ► It is definitely wider but you know, it's not thicker or wider enough that it would you know
01:24:26 ◼ ► USB C and you stare at the bottom of the pixel and you stare at the bottom of an iPhone recent iPhone and it doesn't
01:24:31 ◼ ► Look like the pixel has a bigger port it is bigger, but it you know doesn't look bigger
01:24:42 ◼ ► You know why but why specifically I mean I understand there's there are different there are some other pro reasons why they want to put USB C
01:24:50 ◼ ► on the iPad. Yeah. And if you listen to what they said about it, it's like driving a 5k display.
01:24:56 ◼ ► It is hooking it up to peripherals that I don't think would make sense or as much sense hooking
01:25:13 ◼ ► you can kind of do that now. I do it with certain but you have to have like a touch of a third party
01:25:19 ◼ ► app or something? Yeah, and then the third-party app has to like do the integration with the
01:25:23 ◼ ► files app. Right. You know, and it's it all seems a bit crazy from a Mac user's perspective.
01:25:33 ◼ ► You know, like it used to be before the Macintosh that it was technically tricky to mount another
01:25:41 ◼ ► storage device on a computer. You as a user would have to do something to mount the disk
01:27:42 ◼ ► know there's there's USB thumb drives you know that that that can be you know there's security
01:27:48 ◼ ► exploits that you you know you get like a bad USB thumb drive and stick it in your computer and you
01:27:53 ◼ ► can well that was that whole yeah the whole thing with the North Korea thing was they were handing
01:27:56 ◼ ► out those right those fans they're handing out USB fans to reporters everybody all the people on
01:28:05 ◼ ► Twitter were like, Do not use these. Right? Was it? Keep, keep cool and plug, please plug
01:28:26 ◼ ► look at the code path from the USB subsystem and the sandboxing and make sure that there is no,
01:28:34 ◼ ► you know, that, you know, that this, this can be, this can be done securely, that you should be able
01:28:39 ◼ ► to feel confident plugging a North Korean USB fan into your iPad and not be worried that it's going
01:28:48 ◼ ► to, you know, take over your iPad. It kind of, I don't know, it just seems to I think you're right
01:28:55 ◼ ► that you should be able to plug in external storage on these devices and have them show up
01:28:59 ◼ ► in the files app. Yeah, well, it's just, you know, they want to take they want to make the
01:29:04 ◼ ► I've had a real pro machine and that's got to come at some point right because there's you know, and and yeah sure
01:29:15 ◼ ► Take all the images or the video footage right off the camera over USB C and and and a couple of people and and these
01:29:34 ◼ ► involving like video and photography that just unprompted. They're like, and seriously,
01:29:43 ◼ ► it really is faster, like noticeably faster workflow. That's great. But sometimes it is,
01:29:49 ◼ ► it's not a camera, it is just a disc or you're working with somebody, you know, like me and you
01:29:54 ◼ ► are out there, you know, shooting video, and you've got the video on your iPad, and you I want to get
01:30:31 ◼ ► I don't know where they're going with that. I did hear I know another question I got asked
01:30:36 ◼ ► is I did not get to try this. I was already out of the hands on area. So I can't, I can't
01:30:42 ◼ ► verify this. But I asked Apple and they said yes, is when the previous generation of iPad
01:30:47 ◼ ► Pro's you could run two full screen apps side by side on the bigger one, the 12.9 inch,
01:30:53 ◼ ► but the the 10.5 inch one, you could run two apps side by side, but not like 5050 where
01:32:27 ◼ ► I don't know the details on this, but Stephen Troughton Smith seems to think that the 1
01:32:47 ◼ ► They have slightly more RAM, but that's kind of interesting and I don't quite get the use
01:35:49 ◼ ► I thought that was a great demo. I don't know if you if you notice this, but I thought it was a
01:35:53 ◼ ► really cool demo where it looked like they're editing this little section of a bunch of flowers.
01:35:58 ◼ ► Yes. And then and you think that's the whole demo, right? It's like they go through this thing and
01:36:03 ◼ ► she keeps going out. Yeah, she keeps zooming out and out and out. And then it's 3d. And then,
01:36:07 ◼ ► oh, we're animating. Right? Yeah. It was, you know, what's that movie? The Christopher Nolte,
01:36:15 ◼ ► the prestige. When you're doing a magic trick, it's not enough to do the trick. There has to
01:36:20 ◼ ► be the prestige at the end. It's like the kicker. The Photoshop demo on the iPad had that prestige,
01:36:27 ◼ ► where it's like, "Oh, and by the way, we were only looking at a little tiny corner of it. It's
01:36:32 ◼ ► this big." And like you said, "And we're using these layers to do it in 3D and render it in
01:36:36 ◼ ► augmented reality." And the butterflies animate. Now we're going to have some butterflies.
01:36:41 ◼ ► Yeah. That was really cool. But it really showed it look, all of us when they zoomed out. It's like,
01:36:47 ◼ ► oh, yeah, that looks like it could be a three gigabyte file. Right now I understand. But it's
01:36:52 ◼ ► you think like, well, three gigabytes, if it has four gigabytes of RAM, you know, you can see how
01:36:56 ◼ ► maybe they load the whole document and RAM, but it's like, you know, they have to keep the undo
01:36:59 ◼ ► stack. And right, you know, the it's more complicated. Yeah, I think that's right. I think
01:37:26 ◼ ► truly advanced computer science going on just in terms of memory management to make that
01:37:36 ◼ ► the company doing it, that they've got this history of memory management and stuff like that.
01:37:46 ◼ ► Yeah. Isn't it great to have Adobe on the right side of computing and to be really excited about
01:37:55 ◼ ► Adobe's new products. Yeah. Well, I can't think of anything else. That's a good wrap-up.
01:38:01 ◼ ► Okay. I thought it was a fun event. I, you know, I, what else? I guess we could watch it. I mean,
01:38:07 ◼ ► the only, the only one weird thing was like, they, they talked about how, how, you know,
01:38:10 ◼ ► how great they think it is that people do all this creative stuff with the Mac. And now we're
01:38:14 ◼ ► going to show you a video about that. And it was just like black and white pictures of people
01:38:18 ◼ ► sitting in front of their Macs. It's a slideshow. It's like, what? They didn't show anybody
01:38:33 ◼ ► Apple logo on the whichever laptop they were going away. That is something that came up
01:38:40 ◼ ► miss the glowing Apple logo. Uh, you know, I think everybody does. I think Apple knows,
01:38:45 ◼ ► know but they've they've made the displays so thin i don't i don't think they can do it anymore
01:38:50 ◼ ► yeah i threw i had it i had an old power book um that had i had like scrap for parts and it was
01:38:58 ◼ ► and uh i just was cleaning my office out the other day and i decided to get finally get rid of it
01:39:07 ◼ ► i was thinking maybe i'll put some leds behind this yeah that's pretty cool uh i guess the other
01:39:13 ◼ ► The only other thing to mention are things that didn't get updated. No, no news about IMAX period
01:39:26 ◼ ► Yeah, which is, doesn't exist. Is got to be the, I, I don't know what to make of it. I had nobody,
01:39:39 ◼ ► I couldn't even bring myself to ask about it. I tried a month ago and it was so uncomfortable.
01:39:49 ◼ ► not coming yesterday to me means it is not coming in 2018. I mean, maybe they're so embarrassed
01:39:57 ◼ ► about the AirPower thing that they will just put it on sale, you know, someday in November and it
01:40:02 ◼ ► just appear on that store and they're just don't even want to talk about it. I don't know. They
01:40:09 ◼ ► I don't know. They won't say. And if there's anybody at Apple who knows, they're keeping
01:40:28 ◼ ► Yeah. And they're obviously all in on inductive charging, and they're saying that the inductive
01:40:34 ◼ ► charging with the pencil and the side of the iPad is the smart. They can't say for certain,
01:40:40 ◼ ► but they believe it's the smallest inductive charger ever made by any consumer electronics
01:40:45 ◼ ► company. So they are doing world leading work in inductive charging. And presumably if this
01:40:54 ◼ ► air power ever ships, they obviously didn't mention it as a feature of Apple pencil, but
01:41:10 ◼ ► Yeah. I think the story with iMacs is nicer. You know, iAirPower is a disaster. I think the story
01:41:15 ◼ ► with iMacs is the iMac 5Ks are great. The iMac Pros are great. And they're just like how I said,
01:41:22 ◼ ► like they're really only interested in meaningful updates. They don't want a little 3%, you know,
01:41:27 ◼ ► well, we can swap the CPU out and you'll get 4% better performance. It's just that they don't see
01:41:36 ◼ ► that makes them much better. Who knows what that is? I would hope it's face ID, but presumably
01:41:44 ◼ ► that's coming eventually. It would be nice if it came next year. But I feel like if it's
01:41:59 ◼ ► I know. I know. I'd say I miss talking to you. So once a year, happy to do it once a year, once a week.
01:42:15 ◼ ► I'm going to mention the rebound with the fan of Lex. And then I'm going to mention it again,
01:42:24 ◼ ► the speedy arrow cast is yeah about coming and dan guy and dan and it's they talked about
01:42:30 ◼ ► comic books that have come to life yeah that's right right another comic hey is this daredevil
01:42:35 ◼ ► show good i've heard daredevil is good yeah i think this third season is is quite good yeah
01:42:39 ◼ ► um that just came out yeah i like the first season the second season i thought started out really
01:42:44 ◼ ► good and then peter off but um i think the third season has returned to form so yeah that showed
01:42:49 ◼ ► some of the other shows are not necessarily so great yeah somebody else somebody else told me
01:42:53 ◼ ► after last week's show that the hey don't don't hesitate that the new Star Trek Discovery is great
01:42:58 ◼ ► you know you did you know if you like Star Trek at all you're gonna love this uh so okay I've got
01:43:02 ◼ ► it I don't know when I'm gonna start maybe it'll be like a Christmas thing and I'll watch it with