00:00:00 ◼ ► I guess I should just say, I don't think I've told anybody, but a few weeks ago or months
00:00:03 ◼ ► ago I guess at this point I did a Q&A episode of this show where it was just me answering
00:00:08 ◼ ► listener questions. And it turned out my recording was corrupted due to a USB problem. I didn't
00:00:17 ◼ ► know it. I couldn't hear it. And so I had to redo that whole episode. So there's actually
00:00:20 ◼ ► two versions of that episode. And as I was just telling Molt, I think I did better because
00:00:28 ◼ ► I had never done an episode without a guest before. I think I was a little awkward. And
00:00:44 ◼ ► the kinks of that a little bit. I will say this though, and this is my question to you.
00:00:56 ◼ ► a long time since I've lost data on a computer, like app crashed or some kind of mix-up or
00:01:22 ◼ ► "Oh my God, there was something I had. I had it going on when I wrote that, and I'm not
00:01:27 ◼ ► getting it right." And never shake the nagging sense that, "Wasn't there a great point I made?
00:01:33 ◼ ► I don't have it." Like, yeah. I think maybe it's different with writing than with talking. But
00:01:39 ◼ ► yeah, that's exactly my point is that, yeah, there is something different about it. Like,
00:01:44 ◼ ► I could recreate a podcast, but I don't, I could never, I feel like I can never recreate an article.
00:01:49 ◼ ► Yeah, I think that's definitely true. I one time lost the audio, or I think it was badly corrupted
00:01:58 ◼ ► for some reason when I was recording episode of The Rebound. And so now I record with two
00:02:14 ◼ ► eventually goes wrong with both of them I'll get a third. Just like I'm just gonna keep adding Macs
00:02:20 ◼ ► until until I no longer have any problems. I have enough lying around I might as well use them.
00:02:45 ◼ ► of the original one or the original one. I so I don't have I have not had the only problem I've
00:02:50 ◼ ► had with the keyboard so far is that the well other than it being that keyboard and the typing on it
00:02:56 ◼ ► is not necessarily my favorite experience, but I haven't had any problems with keys malfunctioning
00:03:03 ◼ ► really other than the right shift key is slightly squishy. And this is you know that's two years
00:03:14 ◼ ► I have to send it back. I mean, it's like, I'm pretty sure I'm overdue. I still have the 15-inch
00:03:19 ◼ ► MacBook Pro from the summer. And I don't know, at some point I stopped using it. I used it for
00:03:25 ◼ ► a solid month, maybe like six weeks. And it was because it was summer and we were traveling too,
00:03:30 ◼ ► it was actually kind of natural. I literally, I wasn't even using my iMac at home. I was just
00:03:35 ◼ ► using that 15-inch MacBook Pro for everything. All my writing, all the email. And I said—I
00:03:42 ◼ ► think it was on the podcast even. I don't think I wrote about it. Maybe I did. Or maybe
00:03:46 ◼ ► I tweeted it. It wasn't on Daring Fireball. But at some point, like two weeks in, I mentioned
00:03:55 ◼ ► my left hand. It got stuck twice. But easily was unstuck just by pressing the key again.
00:04:15 ◼ ► it was like two weeks later and, and I was like, you know what, it's been two weeks and
00:04:20 ◼ ► I haven't had a problem since not a single, single problem. And then I used it for weeks
00:04:25 ◼ ► full time and never once had another problem again. So there was something, I almost feel
00:04:38 ◼ ► mean, it's like I reliability problems aside because the reliability thing is a whole nother
00:04:43 ◼ ► ball game like when the keyboard actually fails. Like I actually do think I really wonder
00:04:51 ◼ ► like I don't like the low travel. I know some people love it though. It's obviously subjective,
00:04:56 ◼ ► But it's like the tolerance is so, there's like no tolerance between the aluminum frame
00:05:06 ◼ ► Like that's partly what makes it feel so nice and premium because they don't jiggle at all.
00:05:17 ◼ ► I almost feel like with my previous generation MacBook Pro, the one I'm staring at right
00:05:23 ◼ ► like there's no way to make a key get stuck because it's like a bit of there's a bit of
00:05:30 ◼ ► Yeah, I have a lot. I have a lot because I have a kid and you know a kid who was younger
00:05:39 ◼ ► But like this this point one here is missing a missing a function one of the function keys
00:05:47 ◼ ► And for years he used my old MacBook Pro, which was like a 2010, I think. And that's missing a
00:05:56 ◼ ► couple keys too. Or actually, no, I think it's just... No, I know what the problem with that one
00:06:00 ◼ ► is. He spilled a drink on it. And the key, most of the keys just simply don't work. So I have it
00:06:05 ◼ ► upstairs with the keyboard plugged into it. Pete: Jonas' MacBook Pro, I think I mentioned
00:06:11 ◼ ► this on a show a while ago. Jonas, he needs a new MacBook or laptop. I'm not even 100% sure
00:06:17 ◼ ► He'll get a MacBook, but I think he will but you and I have talked about the gaming you see thing
00:06:21 ◼ ► Yeah, like he doesn't want a gaming laptop like he wants a gaming PC desktop, which I think makes sense
00:06:30 ◼ ► Yeah, it's you know and and then who knows what so, you know, we've been waiting for this event
00:06:35 ◼ ► We'll get to this, you know, but this event coming up next week when supposedly there's going to be new MacBooks
00:06:39 ◼ ► You know, it's like he really needed a MacBook before school started in August, but it just yeah
00:06:49 ◼ ► It's a little weird that they have—assuming that—well, we're going to talk about it later,
00:07:07 ◼ ► I forget. Did you see there was an interview with Schiller—I think it was in Gadget—had
00:08:11 ◼ ► pricing thing that they thought that if they shipped them all at the same time that they
00:08:15 ◼ ► would sell a metric crap ton of the 10 hours and not as many expensive ones. Yeah, that is actually
00:08:22 ◼ ► a good point. And I also think that product marketing wise, it would have been difficult
00:08:29 ◼ ► I got right about this on during fireball that advertising wise this year. And so I mean, maybe
00:08:35 ◼ ► it's, you know, it's a little bit six and one half dozen together because they probably I would think
00:08:42 ◼ ► it deliberately that way. And so yeah, they really were only ready then. But part of that
00:08:49 ◼ ► Well, I think my guess, and I have absolutely no inside information on this and that supply
00:09:03 ◼ ► not blabbing about. Oh yeah, we could have had that out a month ago. You know, Jeff Williams
00:09:45 ◼ ► the iPhones involved. Because last year, if the original 10 had shipped exactly alongside
00:09:53 ◼ ► the 8, the 8 would have been completely overshadowed. Nobody would have wanted to review it, or
00:10:01 ◼ ► the reviews would have been like one line. How do you advertise it? This other one that
00:10:07 ◼ ► looks so new and so much more exciting, right? Edge to edge, round corners, steel, shiny.
00:10:16 ◼ ► It's shiny. I mean literally shiny. It really would have put the eight in a tight spot to
00:10:24 ◼ ► ship alongside the 10 or even worse if the eight had just been the one to ship afterwards.
00:10:32 ◼ ► Whereas this year, the one that shipped first is the one that literally looks exactly like
00:10:44 ◼ ► but is bigger. And it looks so much the same that in the TV commercials, they're playing
00:10:51 ◼ ► perspective tricks to make them look the same size and then move the hands so you can see,
00:10:56 ◼ ► The one is bigger, you know, but they look so much the same that at first they it looks like two of the same phone
00:11:02 ◼ ► and the one that I think people are more excited about because you know, it's got amazing colors and it costs
00:11:09 ◼ ► 250 less I think you can really make the case that it costs 350 less and if you want the bigger one if you want
00:11:20 ◼ ► I I honestly think you could make the case that it's four hundred and fifty dollars less which is
00:11:25 ◼ ► Exciting if you can be very happy with your phone and save four hundred and fifty dollars
00:11:29 ◼ ► That is really exciting and so I don't think it's a coincidence that the one that is more exciting if not
00:11:35 ◼ ► Better but more exciting is the one that ship later is the one that ships. Yes, absolutely
00:11:58 ◼ ► This week's news, of course is the well, you know what I have follow-up. Let me do the follow-up first
00:12:07 ◼ ► Home kit and I've got these shades from a company called Lutron all around the house pretty expensive to be honest
00:12:41 ◼ ► a scene called "Open the Kitchen Shades," and then I could talk to my various Siri-enabled
00:12:57 ◼ ► way to do it in HomeKit. In HomeKit, you can define rooms and you can move devices between
00:14:42 ◼ ► know, you just, it's just so much better. It's ridiculous and so much more customizable.
00:14:47 ◼ ► I think the HomeKit app, the Home app could be better. But overall, I think it's really good.
00:14:59 ◼ ► you're effectively programming these things, but doing it in a visual way that I think is
00:15:06 ◼ ► approachable to regular people like you're not, you don't need to use programming language,
00:15:09 ◼ ► but you're just dragging these things and moving icons around. And it ends up that you can
00:15:15 ◼ ► effectively program these devices in your house. And I think it's pretty cool. So anyway,
00:15:24 ◼ ► We don't have an Echo. We don't have any of that stuff. And mostly, as some of the reason that we
00:15:31 ◼ ► don't have the Echo, so actually, my parents bought us one at one point, and they sent it back
00:16:05 ◼ ► going to be doing it nonstop or he's going to, you know, like screw with the scenario, you know,
00:16:09 ◼ ► the scenes and whatever. So I'm just like, I'm not dealing with that right. Jonas is so lazy.
00:16:15 ◼ ► He doesn't do anything. He doesn't, he never tells, he never does. He's like the opposite.
00:16:24 ◼ ► not only does he not have to get up, he could like literally just talk to his phone to turn lights on
00:16:32 ◼ ► It is funny to me how much how persistent Hank is at talking to Siri and just how many times
00:16:42 ◼ ► he will try whether he's like in the car and he's getting a bad connection and so Siri's not
00:16:47 ◼ ► connecting to you know home base to process the question or if Siri's not understanding what he's
00:16:54 ◼ ► saying he just he keeps trying and he keeps trying and he keeps trying and to the point where it's
00:17:07 ◼ ► Jonas had saved his money, by the way, and he pre-ordered Red Dead Redemption 2 yesterday,
00:17:16 ◼ ► which is, looks pretty cool. I like westerns. I don't, I'm so far out of the gaming scene.
00:17:22 ◼ ► But it's supposed to be, that's supposed to be the new hot game. Yeah. It's like Westworld
00:17:34 ◼ ► Or ps4 only for now. I can't imagine that it always be ps4 exclusive, but I wouldn't think so
00:17:59 ◼ ► For Christmas like whatever the first Christmas was when ps4 was available is when he got it
00:18:25 ◼ ► Yeah, it's got a full 1.4 megabytes. So he's only got 400 gigabyte hard drive. But he's all in on
00:18:36 ◼ ► downloadable games. I guess every time he gets discs is from relatives at Christmas. But he's
00:18:52 ◼ ► because Hank just got Destiny 2. And it was like, "Oh, good. You can go home and play this." And he
00:19:08 ◼ ► but it was after midnight, Red Dead Redemption 2. It's like New Year's Eve for people who like
00:19:15 ◼ ► video games. And the guy had the disk. I guess he got the disk during the day, and he tweeted
00:19:20 ◼ ► a screenshot. He had to download like 17 gigabytes before he could play. I don't see the point of it.
00:19:28 ◼ ► But anyway, I finally helped him out. And see, this is the thing I worry about the kid. Why
00:19:34 ◼ ► didn't he come to me to ask for an external drive for his PS4? And I'm so out of touch.
00:19:41 ◼ ► When the PS4 originally came out, you could not use external storage for games. You could hook
00:19:47 ◼ ► one up, and I forget what it would be for, but you couldn't do it to play games. And at some point,
00:19:53 ◼ ► Sony got their act together and issued a software update where, yeah, you can just plug in a USB 3
00:20:04 ◼ ► So yesterday, he was preparing to erase his entire PS4 to make room for Red Dead Redemption 2,
00:20:12 ◼ ► and I was like, "Look, let me help you out." And we hooked up a nice—I even got him a nice SSD
00:20:19 ◼ ► hard drive, so it would be nice and fast. I asked a friend of the show, Siracusa, if that was
00:20:34 ◼ ► Yeah, it involves sequential reads. Yes, would have done but I enjoyed the technical details.
00:20:43 ◼ ► I did. But so now he has a nice SSD external drive. But anyway, I before he came home from
00:20:49 ◼ ► school while I was coming down here to start the podcast. And I asked him if his game fully
00:20:54 ◼ ► downloaded because that's a you know, that's a real heartbreak for a kid on a Friday. Yeah,
00:20:59 ◼ ► like it happened. It happened like six months ago, there was some game that Jonas had been
00:21:03 ◼ ► been long waiting. And he thought he'd set it up to download while he was at school and
00:21:08 ◼ ► got home and there was like an error message. Right. And when I see error message, it was
00:21:20 ◼ ► you know, it would just stop it would not progress and then needed to back out and back
00:21:23 ◼ ► into it again. And it wouldn't lose what it had downloaded already. But yeah, it was something
00:21:28 ◼ ► like that. Yeah. If you just left it overnight and thought, Oh, boy, it'll be ready when
00:21:32 ◼ ► get up in the morning. Nope. So anyway, I texted him before or I said hello to him, but then I
00:21:38 ◼ ► forgot to ask. So I texted him while I'm down here recording with you. Did your game fully download?
00:21:59 ◼ ► How fast is he going to play through that? I don't know. If it's good, it'll take him a while. He
00:22:05 ◼ ► gets his value out of him, you know? He tends to... Well, it depends on the game too, because Hank
00:22:12 ◼ ► has blown through some games. I'm trying to remember what... because he did one recently,
00:22:15 ◼ ► he got some game recently, and it was just a few days later, he's like, "Yeah, I'm done."
00:22:19 ◼ ► Whoa, geez, really? Yeah, Jonas had one like that too, I forget what it was. But like Destiny,
00:22:26 ◼ ► Destiny is like, he's sort of fallen out of Fortnite, but for a while, I mean, in Fortnite
00:22:32 ◼ ► you don't even pay for it, which is ridiculous. So whatever he did spend on it to get costumes,
00:22:38 ◼ ► dance moves, whatever the hell he bought. I mean, it actually is what you buy, dance moves,
00:22:46 ◼ ► costumes. I have not seen that game. And Hank has, I think there's like a subculture that
00:23:28 ◼ ► It seems fun, I mean I played a little bit of it. Yeah, the only thing I can compare it to would be Bard's Tale
00:23:41 ◼ ► It was like a Dungeons & Dragons type game and it had like it sort of had like a 3d interface
00:23:55 ◼ ► Yeah, you'd move it was like the D&D equivalent of moving like one square on graph paper at a time
00:24:01 ◼ ► Right, but you'd go through, you know, you'd see the walls of a dungeon, you know, and you'd hit like up arrow to go ahead one
00:24:14 ◼ ► Like the most for whatever reason it's a weird number, but for whatever reason the most of a bad guy you'd ever encounter was 99
00:24:24 ◼ ► 256 yeah or something. Yeah, you'd think it'd be like 255 or 256 or something, but it was 99
00:24:32 ◼ ► And there was yeah, okay, so it was like more like a y2k problem, right and there was a room
00:24:38 ◼ ► There was a room you could go into and it had there were these bad guys called berserkers
00:25:13 ◼ ► I think I think you had like a party of six people. You could make a party of six people but like
00:25:20 ◼ ► so you were six but it was effectively you but you go in and it was sort of like Han Solo going into
00:25:24 ◼ ► that room with all the stormtroopers except like the George the George Lucas version the George
00:25:29 ◼ ► Lucas version yeah where he adds a bunch of it was like 300 of them right you first time because
00:25:34 ◼ ► 11 is not cool 300 school right the first time you go in you do just you're like oh my god I have no
00:25:39 ◼ ► were dead. Oh my God, where's the last—oh my God, the last save point was all the way back
00:25:43 ◼ ► there. It was like the most screwed you ever are. And then you got better at the game and your
00:25:47 ◼ ► characters all got better. And I'm sure it happened to everybody who ever played the game.
00:25:53 ◼ ► It dawned on you like, "Hey, a couple weeks ago, remember that room with all the berserkers?"
00:25:57 ◼ ► There were two spells that were exactly the same, lightning and a fireball. And they did the same
00:26:07 ◼ ► amount of damage. But I had one, you know, by the time I recalled it, I was like, I had both of them
00:26:11 ◼ ► and it was the perfect weapon, you know, spell to do against like a group like that. So you could go
00:26:17 ◼ ► back to that room. And then just instead of really fighting and fighting them, you just have your
00:26:21 ◼ ► wizard shoot them with lightning bolt, and they'd all die. And you got massive, massive, like
00:26:28 ◼ ► experience points and gold and whatever else. So and then you just back out of the dungeon. And
00:26:34 ◼ ► once it was out of you know, the memory it was sort of like, you know, like a scene loading,
00:26:37 ◼ ► like you'd be outside, you'd find a place to go inside, it would like then you'd load. So you just
00:26:42 ◼ ► go back outside, go back in, and then they'd all be there again. And then it was like, you know,
00:26:47 ◼ ► it was almost like a cheat code, like where you could, you know, like, remember in SimCity,
00:26:51 ◼ ► you could type something and you just get like a million dollars, you just go into that room and
00:26:55 ◼ ► kill the kill 99% 297 berserkers over and over again, and then you could buy everything in the
00:27:02 ◼ ► game anyway. Bard's Tale. It was a good game. Let me take a break. Thank her for sponsor.
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00:30:43 ◼ ► kind of felt—I do this every time. Sometimes, like last year's iPhone 10, I thought, "Well,
00:30:55 ◼ ► There's a lot to cover. How do I make this an actual article that has a flow instead of just
00:31:00 ◼ ► a list of bullet points? Here's my notes." I got a note in Apple Notes with all the thoughts I've
00:31:06 ◼ ► had before I sat down to actually write, write. And it's like, these are all good points.
00:31:13 ◼ ► "This is a jumbled mess. How am I going to do this?" And with the XR, I honestly thought,
00:31:19 ◼ ► like, "This is going to be the easiest review in the world to write." It is exactly like
00:31:22 ◼ ► a XS, except it has a different screen, which is still kind of awesome, and it's missing
00:31:58 ◼ ► It's that I don't want other reviews to get all the links before mine comes out, right?
00:32:03 ◼ ► Like I know that's what I would think. I mean, I wouldn't think you would I mean, there's no reason to care what Apple right?
00:32:19 ◼ ► I don't it's a lot it creates a lot of buzz and I guess maybe they figured that some people only real
00:32:33 ◼ ► Well, there doesn't have to be but it well, I mean I get the embargo but I don't get why would they would want everybody?
00:32:57 ◼ ► Like this happened with my series for watch reviews you lose the phone well everything, okay
00:33:13 ◼ ► Last month with the number one. I'm a terrible procrastinator. I don't think this comes as a surprise to anybody and
00:33:22 ◼ ► and I tend to start these reviews way too late. It's, you know, and it's just my nature.
00:33:32 ◼ ► But then once I get going, it's easy to keep going, but it's often too late. And so I was up,
00:33:39 ◼ ► literally up all night last month, writing my iPhone 10 s review. And because I was going to be
00:33:47 ◼ ► up at six, hopefully, to publish, even though I wasn't actually done by then. I volunteered
00:33:52 ◼ ► to take Jonas to school in the morning, which is, you know, like around 730, so that Amy
00:34:43 ◼ ► I know it'll say when I updated it. I don't know. I don't think I published till like 11 a.m
00:34:47 ◼ ► So I was like five hours after the embargo on that one and I did get a hey every I got a hey everything. Okay?
00:34:53 ◼ ► But I nobody I don't know that anybody else there might be somebody did but there I don't know if anybody else wrote reviews of both
00:35:05 ◼ ► S and series for watch well, that's the thing like most of the other sites probably have more than one person working on this
00:35:12 ◼ ► stuff, right? Right. I don't at least my best friends in the early reviewers, the gaggle,
00:35:20 ◼ ► none of them did both. And it was very difficult. I don't know. I don't know if you've noticed this
00:35:28 ◼ ► either. But the older you get, the harder it is to pull it on either. Like, yeah, really? Yeah,
00:35:35 ◼ ► that's not gonna get any easier. That's for sure. There was a time when pulling an all nighter to
00:35:39 ◼ ► write like a newspaper article or something, or even stuff for Daring Fireball in the early days
00:35:45 ◼ ► It is. Here's a story that's the convergence of all-nighters and procrastination and things
00:35:53 ◼ ► working out well is I had to write—I had a psychology class in high school, and I had to
00:35:59 ◼ ► write—I had this like big—we were supposed to do a big project, and we were supposed to have empirical
00:36:09 ◼ ► and then it hit me like, oh crap, we were supposed to like do practical research on this.
00:36:15 ◼ ► And so the thing I came up with was I'll stay up all night. I'll take my, my respiration and my,
00:36:22 ◼ ► you know, my heart rate and, and my temperature and there's my empirical research. And I got like
00:36:28 ◼ ► an A minus. That's actually very clever. It is. I typed it up on a typewriter too. It is sort of
00:36:37 ◼ ► like Inception in some ways. It feels like it after a while. Amy and I were just talking about
00:36:46 ◼ ► that. We went to college in the fall of 1991 and we both went to college. Oh no, I got a Mac in
00:36:56 ◼ ► college. But Amy went to school with her typewriter. Because Drexel University had like a program where
00:37:02 ◼ ► they didn't make you buy a Mac, but everybody had to quote, have access to a Mac. So you either had
00:37:07 ◼ ► to get one or you had to go to the you got coursework that required a Macintosh. And so you
00:37:13 ◼ ► did, you know, if you didn't own one, you'd have to go to the computer lab. And there were the
00:37:16 ◼ ► computer lab admittedly was very nice. What was it? Korman, K-O-R-M-A-N. And that was also Korman
00:37:24 ◼ ► was also where even if you owned one, you could go with blank floppy disks and get legally licensed
00:37:29 ◼ ► copies of lots and lots of apps like Microsoft Excel. They had a university-wide site license
00:37:36 ◼ ► to excel. When I first got a Mac and didn't really know anybody, and modems were like $10,000 or
00:37:45 ◼ ► something. That was really nice. By a couple months in, getting a copy of any well-known app
00:37:55 ◼ ► was no longer a problem for me, but it was very nice for those who were less into the "where's"
00:38:01 ◼ ► scene. I remember the other kid—because I didn't have a computer until I went to graduate school,
00:38:14 ◼ ► game i think was um strategic conquest was like the hot game in the in the mac lab at the at the
00:38:21 ◼ ► university of washington what else was there in the early i played that for years bolo there was
00:38:26 ◼ ► bolo remember that i don't remember bolo b-o-l-o i forget uh strategic conquest you say all right
00:38:34 ◼ ► oh yeah all right i'll put it in the stroke show notes did you see the uh there's a book out
00:38:41 ◼ ► called The Secret History of Mac Gaming. Oh, no, I did not see that. Oh, I'll put that in the show
00:38:46 ◼ ► notes. Yeah, that sounds like I haven't read it yet. But it's like, it is such a nice book
00:38:53 ◼ ► that it's like, the reason I haven't read it is I'm like saving it until, until like, I can really
00:38:58 ◼ ► enjoy it. I it's a terrible habit. But like, the better a book is sometimes with movies, too. It's
00:39:04 ◼ ► like, I'm really looking forward to this movie. But I don't want to watch it if I'm not like,
00:39:10 ◼ ► exactly in the right mood and the lighting everything you know i i don't want to watch it
00:39:14 ◼ ► there's a full moon and it's too much sunlight coming through the windows you know let's wait
00:39:19 ◼ ► till it's darker uh secret history and mac gaming bolo uh what else did i mention do you want to
00:39:26 ◼ ► talk about the the reviews a little there's a couple of details that are interesting in
00:39:30 ◼ ► in these other reviews that you that you bring up yes yeah and the one that i think is the funniest
00:39:35 ◼ ► is the one that Renee noticed. Yes, the misaligned lightning port. Yeah, the lightning port is
00:40:17 ◼ ► my God! I can't believe it!" And my friend at Apple was like, "Yeah, the display controller
00:40:29 ◼ ► or didn't read it. The gist of it is that Apple tradition always likes to center a line,
00:40:35 ◼ ► everything on the bottom. So if there's like speakers or the newer phone speaker grills
00:40:40 ◼ ► and the screws that hold everything in and the lightning port. And there used to be a thing,
00:40:48 ◼ ► there used to be like a circular port where you could plug in like audio devices. It was weird.
00:40:54 ◼ ► It wasn't even digital. It was like an analog port. I vaguely remember that. Yeah. Well,
00:40:58 ◼ ► Well, that one was in there all center aligned with each other. Yeah, they're all center aligned on the bottom
00:41:08 ◼ ► About that later maybe and the iPhone 10 are the lightning port is is lower. So if the phone is laying on its back
00:41:15 ◼ ► Screen up the lightning port is lower on the bottom of the phone than the speaker grills or the screws
00:41:24 ◼ ► It's not randomly placed like some the things on some Samsung phones seemingly are it's top aligned
00:41:31 ◼ ► So the top of the lightning port is aligned with the top of the screws and speaker grills
00:41:59 ◼ ► Yeah, completely like three holes on the one side and seven holes or six on the other side
00:42:09 ◼ ► Although that harkens back to what went the antenna lines were off on either side on the four, right?
00:42:28 ◼ ► or maybe with the 4s because the 4s yeah it was and it was weird because the the iPhone 4 is the weirdest phone in
00:42:34 ◼ ► History because there were two of them with totally different antenna lines because the Verizon one was really more like the iPhone four and a half
00:42:45 ◼ ► It was like January and it had different antenna lines that didn't have the attenuation problem that the iPhone 4 had and and
00:43:23 ◼ ► They because it's I don't I guess I actually it's probably because today's Friday and the iPhone XR
00:43:29 ◼ ► Actually shipped today to people I fix it probably does have it taken apart. They do. Yeah, that's out already
00:43:35 ◼ ► Yeah, because they go to Australia I god bless him for their dedication to that. Yes. That's crazy
00:43:56 ◼ ► Well, they must have I don't know if this just didn't load fully when I loaded it the first time
00:44:02 ◼ ► out. They were still putting up pieces of it. I'm not going to read it while we're recording. But I
00:45:20 ◼ ► marketing. Not that they're aware of was their answer, but who knows? There's a gazillion
00:45:27 ◼ ► phones out there. But I wrote that in my review and nobody wrote in to correct me like, "Oh,
00:45:44 ◼ ► it's really hard with OLED too if you look at how many of the OLED phones out there like
00:46:10 ◼ ► the round corners look perfectly round without like jagged lines and stuff. It's insane.
00:46:15 ◼ ► That's what I thought was so interesting about those two. Those two notes was basically
00:46:20 ◼ ► that, you know, they where they could, where they could physically do an attention to detail that
00:46:25 ◼ ► would make it more perfect, they they do it and then in the one place where they just physically
00:46:30 ◼ ► can't do it, they have to do something else. Right. And I guess I don't know what else they
00:46:33 ◼ ► considered with the lightning port, like they could have kept them centered aligned by moving
00:46:43 ◼ ► that would look worse. I'm sure they prototyped it and say, well, that's even uglier to have
00:46:48 ◼ ► everything pushed down. Yeah, but it's a small compromise. I honestly think it's less of a guy.
00:46:54 ◼ ► I think it's less of a compromise that we didn't notice. I think it's way less of a compromise
00:47:01 ◼ ► than the asymmetric antenna lines on the tennis which are there to support the quote unquote.
00:47:06 ◼ ► And that one kind of annoys me. I mean, who knows, maybe it's coming to Philadelphia. But as far as
00:47:36 ◼ ► the show, in fact, Neelay Patel and Matthew Panzareno. Obviously, the two big compromises
00:47:41 ◼ ► in the XR compared to the XS are the display, which is LCD instead of OLED. And the fact
00:47:48 ◼ ► that it only has one camera on the back doesn't have the telephoto. And I just thought it
00:47:52 ◼ ► was so almost comical how perfect their comments were, where Matthew said that he likes telephoto
00:48:02 ◼ ► lens so much that he thinks 80% of his photos over the last year were shot with the telephoto.
00:48:06 ◼ ► And he wishes he could set a preference so that when he starts the camera app, it starts
00:48:11 ◼ ► in 2x mode and he has to hit the button to go to the wider angle lens as opposed to the
00:48:18 ◼ ► And Neil I. Patel said I almost never used the telephoto lens and really focused heavily
00:49:34 ◼ ► No, that was the iPad. That was the original iPad event. So that would be like a year later,
00:49:43 ◼ ► I should tell this story. I think I've told it before. Maybe not. I tend to be a little secretive
00:49:49 ◼ ► with the... I don't have extensive experience talking to Steve Jobs, but the first time I did
00:49:56 ◼ ► was after the iPhone 4 2010 hands-on area in Moscone. I think it was the last phone that
00:50:04 ◼ ► it was definitely the last phone that debuted at WWDC. Big hands-on area. And it was more
00:50:13 ◼ ► pronounced back then than now, I think. But there was always this weird—and it was still
00:50:51 ◼ ► And then all of a sudden it's empty and then you get to play with them all to yourselves.
00:51:01 ◼ ► I just saw him standing by himself and I went up and introduced myself, terribly afraid
00:51:09 ◼ ► And instead, he knew exactly who I was and said he reads my site all the time and mentioned
00:51:24 ◼ ► everybody was in the meat. She knew everybody was in the media. And then she said, Hey, would you
00:51:28 ◼ ► like to talk to Steve? And I literally this is my reply. I literally said, Does anybody ever say no
00:51:33 ◼ ► to that? And she laughed and said, actually, no, nobody has ever said that. And then she walked me
00:51:38 ◼ ► over and introduced me to Steve Jobs. And we talked about the fun. He was like, Well, of course,
00:51:42 ◼ ► his first question was, so what do you think? And I just, I did it still is one of my it's probably
00:51:49 ◼ ► my I'd been waiting for what Apple calls retina screens for forever. They used to call them high
00:51:56 ◼ ► DPI. And there were cable Sasser and I have been obsessed with this. I don't know if 10 years prior
00:52:03 ◼ ► to the iPhone four, but when everybody thought it would come to the Mac first, and there were
00:52:07 ◼ ► WWDC sessions, I forget how many years before but they used to call it high DPI. And it was like,
00:52:12 ◼ ► get your software ready for high DPI. And like panic had changed all of the assets in all of
00:52:18 ◼ ► of their apps from bitmap images to PDFs so that they'd be scalable. And it never happened
00:52:31 ◼ ► totally different way where Retina Max, they did this whole 2x, 3x thing where you could
00:52:36 ◼ ► still use bitmaps because they were precise size. Back in the day, everybody was anticipating
00:52:41 ◼ ► that high resolution interfaces would be PDFs where you could scale them. You could go like
00:52:53 ◼ ► I'd ever seen a truly high resolution device. And it looked amazing. And we were talking
00:53:00 ◼ ► about it and we were talking about in the iPhone in addition to being retina, the iPhone
00:53:04 ◼ ► 4 was the first one where the display was fused to the glass. And so that it eliminated
00:53:19 ◼ ► for every one pixel. It was just like whole. It just felt like they'd leap left 10 years
00:53:23 ◼ ► ahead in display technology in one year. But the the other thing about being fusing the
00:53:31 ◼ ► display to the glass is in addition to being better to look at and especially better to
00:53:57 ◼ ► to you it happened to me. I don't think it no I don't remember that happened fairly early
00:54:04 ◼ ► on and so I'd spent an entire year with this one piece of dust in a very prominent location
00:54:10 ◼ ► And so I was talking to Steve Jobs about this, the iPhone 4 and how, how much, you know,
00:54:37 ◼ ► I said, so you couldn't that therefore something like this couldn't happen. And I took out
00:54:47 ◼ ► No, that can't happen. But with no apology whatsoever. You didn't get you a replacement.
00:55:31 ◼ ► because I had written something I had written a piece on during fireball complaining about the
00:55:37 ◼ ► The fact that you still had to like sync to iTunes on your Mac to get like your contacts and and certain things
00:55:51 ◼ ► Or it started off the record. I read daring fireball and then he didn't say use the name
00:56:10 ◼ ► never heard from him again. I got the email before I met him though at the WWDC. And so
00:56:24 ◼ ► still never was 100% sure. Right. Somebody's spoofed his address. No, but I guess actually,
00:56:33 ◼ ► now that I think about it, I guess he actually, what he outlined to me as their long term
00:56:37 ◼ ► strategy was over a year in advance, because iCloud didn't come out till his last year,
00:56:49 ◼ ► it was effectively a in the future that, you know, the truth will be in the cloud, as opposed
00:56:53 ◼ ► to, you know, that it will move to the cloud will be the center of your data experience,
00:57:41 ◼ ► And it feels to me subjectively more like a big XS and less like a small XS Max in that
00:58:00 ◼ ► But it's funny how a little difference here and there to me makes a difference in hand.
00:58:17 ◼ ► I bought a leather one from a company called Bellroy who I'm a fan of their wallets and
00:58:56 ◼ ► Maybe I guess that's maybe what I should do to segue away from Yeah, the SE is like, get
00:59:04 ◼ ► Get an eight get an eight plus borrow somebody's eight plus because the eight plus and again,
00:59:09 ◼ ► put the the plus size, the 678 plus size phones next to the tennis max, and they they're like,
00:59:17 ◼ ► it's like they're about the same. It's like the 10 s is bigger, taller, but it is a little narrower.
00:59:31 ◼ ► noticeable. But get it. And I guess just looking at the phone with the seemingly antiquated forehead
00:59:38 ◼ ► and chin. It all just seems puffy feels loaded. It's like the best way to get used to a bigger
00:59:43 ◼ ► iPhone is to get the eight plus and you try using that for a while. Okay, well, so anyway,
01:00:04 ◼ ► this. He added a note. He changed the section from moltz's iPhone se to moltz and Caleb's
01:00:11 ◼ ► iPhone as iPhones se and he wrote the note. I'll never give it up. I'll go to the grave
01:00:19 ◼ ► with a tiny phone. Caleb. Yeah. That is I am. I'm not gonna go that far, but I'll use it.
01:00:27 ◼ ► I'm gonna use it until it goes to the grave. I think it in the long term trend. It is absolutely
01:00:57 ◼ ► SE, which is just tiny compared to these phones. But even the iPhone 7, not plus, just regular
01:01:07 ◼ ► 7, I had it out. I always end up getting them out to compare this or that when I'm writing
01:01:29 ◼ ► I don't know. I'm still holding on just time, and I don't think that there's any hope currently
01:01:45 ◼ ► going to call them next year because one of the other weird things about these 10-S and
01:01:51 ◼ ► 10R names is the 10S just tacking S is fits right along with a whole bunch of other previous
01:01:59 ◼ ► S phones, S iPhones where the industrial design is almost the same. Maybe they move the camera
01:02:05 ◼ ► around a little bit, which is annoying because then you have to buy a new case if you already
01:02:10 ◼ ► had a case for the other one, but they move the camera around a little bit or the, you know,
01:02:14 ◼ ► the 5S, I think I'm almost certain was the first one with touch ID. So instead of having
01:02:43 ◼ ► But I can't believe they would call a phone next year the XRS, although maybe they would.
01:02:50 ◼ ► I'm overthinking it, right? That they'll just come out with another one that looks like
01:03:02 ◼ ► to me. I just can't believe though that they'd only do one year of this, that they'd put
01:03:06 ◼ ► all this work into this. We talked 15 minutes ago about how much insane engineering and
01:03:10 ◼ ► design work went into making this LCD go corner to corner. Why in the world would they do
01:04:11 ◼ ► I feel like maybe it's better illustrated visually, but basically it's like if you think of a sheet of
01:04:18 ◼ ► graph paper and there's like think of like the main the main sheets the main squares being like
01:04:25 ◼ ► the points but then you divide every one of those squares into two like a two by two array that's a
01:04:33 ◼ ► two x retina screen where the points are the the big squares and the pixels of the actual physical
01:04:40 ◼ ► display are the little squares within the square. So there are four per pixels per point. And in a
01:04:45 ◼ ► three X retina display like the 10 asks, you'd get a three by three array, like a tic tac toe board
01:04:51 ◼ ► of nine, nine per point. Right. But if you just look at the points, because like, like if you and
01:04:57 ◼ ► if you just think of like 16 point text, like if you just take the system font and you say,
01:05:03 ◼ ► give me 16-point text in the system font and write the word iPhone. The letter I rendered
01:05:22 ◼ ► either a 2x2 or a 3x3 within. When you look at that and you look at the phones in terms
01:05:37 ◼ ► and the standard resolution of the 10S Max, where the Max is just bigger in both directions
01:06:12 ◼ ► Dave Asprey It's a lot like, and it's like, it's like exactly like the, the iPad, iPad mini versus
01:06:18 ◼ ► the regular iPad of your, when they were the exact same pixel for pixel. It's just that the iPad mini
01:06:23 ◼ ► use smaller pixels and pack the same interface into a smaller thing. So the 10 R has the
01:06:32 ◼ ► exact same two scaling sizes as the 10 S Max. And so when you're in the standard zoom, just
01:06:52 ◼ ► instead of three by three. And when you zoom, it's like a scaled up 10 s pixel for pixel
01:06:59 ◼ ► or point for point. I mean, see, I even I get confused. But so, and the 10 s not maxed,
01:07:15 ◼ ► I feel like what is would naturally slot into this product array weird would be a smaller
01:07:55 ◼ ► Well, it is big enough though. But the other thing that I figured out looking at all of
01:08:06 ◼ ► inch display, not 5.8. I think that when you look at it, and I actually even bought a couple
01:08:12 ◼ ► months ago one of these, they're real cheap, I'm really glad I bought it. Like $15 on Amazon,
01:08:30 ◼ ► microns. Using that and doing like some Pythagorean theorem based on—because Apple tells you
01:08:41 ◼ ► it's supposed to be, and you know how many pixels there are. So if you just do a little
01:08:45 ◼ ► squared plus the square root of you know the two sides at the right angle is the length of the
01:09:04 ◼ ► which should round up to five point nine inches whereas i the i think yeah so that's taking it to
01:09:13 ◼ ► the curve? No, not the curve. No, and Apple, even in their footnote, admits that their measurements
01:09:18 ◼ ► are taken as the hypothetical perfect rectangle of the display would be, which seems a little bit
01:09:25 ◼ ► questionable, but it really makes sense if you think about it. It is fair if you think about it.
01:09:36 ◼ ► and you don't really scroll diagonally. You scroll up and down. And it just, any, you know,
01:09:42 ◼ ► Long story short, it just seems like they could, you know, they would just have points,
01:09:45 ◼ ► it would be the same points as the iPhone XS, except they'd be, each pixel would actually be
01:09:51 ◼ ► a little smaller. It's 163 pixel points per inch, as opposed to 153 points per inch on the standard
01:10:00 ◼ ► scaling of the XS and XS Max. Everything's just a little bigger point for point on the XS and XS Max.
01:10:07 ◼ ► And that was true on the plus size phones too, the 8 Plus and the 7 Plus, 6 Plus, 6S Plus. Those
01:10:14 ◼ ► phones point for point made everything a little bigger too in addition to showing more stuff.
01:10:20 ◼ ► So anyway, a 5.5 inch diagonal 10R next year, it would be quite a bit smaller than even the 10S.
01:10:29 ◼ ► You'd notice it. You'd notice it as being smaller in the same way that you notice that the 10R is
01:10:34 ◼ ► is smaller than the XS Max. I think it would make a lot of people happy. I think it would
01:10:42 ◼ ► be very natural. It almost fits the pattern where they come out with these 10-class phones
01:10:49 ◼ ► the first year in one size and then come out with the second size the second year. It's
01:11:22 ◼ ► Yeah, but if you just take a piece of paper and measure off 5.5 inches and try to put it on an
01:11:28 ◼ ► iPhone 7 it fits it. It's not a bad comparison. It would you definitely notice it and I think
01:11:38 ◼ ► make sense to offer them in two sizes. Yeah, and that's what I would I would I would probably
01:11:43 ◼ ► go for that. I mean eventually I'm obviously I can't keep keep this phone for I mean Caleb
01:11:51 ◼ ► know i ios 12 has been pretty good on this device because it actually uh it it lives up to the
01:12:01 ◼ ► faster it is faster like craig craig fedrige said they're gonna make it faster and i they actually
01:12:06 ◼ ► seemingly did yeah so uh i i can at least squeeze another year out of it if i want to and don't drop
01:12:13 ◼ ► it but uh i suspect that when the next version of ios comes out it's not going to be so friendly
01:12:19 ◼ ► Would I on the vice I honestly think that anybody holding out on it with an SE like you it?
01:12:50 ◼ ► See you'd give me hope again. They were just so I can get crushed again next year. Well, you know, what's funny
01:13:47 ◼ ► Family and friends because they were you know all going to iMessage like she opened up her Mac and then there's all these messages
01:14:18 ◼ ► I'm just gonna carry the 5s around for like a week while I test the you know in my other pocket while I carry the
01:14:23 ◼ ► Pixel 3 is my try to use it for everything fun and I will say god damn this phone feels nice in the hand
01:14:32 ◼ ► Everyone's well, they pick up my I have a four upstairs and I picked that up and I think that's a nice feel to
01:14:53 ◼ ► I think to get it, but I was staying in San Francisco and a friend of the show guy English was in town
01:14:58 ◼ ► I forgot why even though you know, he's Canadian. He he forgot which week he was supposed to be
01:15:03 ◼ ► Yeah, I think you forgot what week he was supposed to be there. So he was in town and we were having a
01:15:09 ◼ ► drink it like at a at the hotel at like six and i just stood it up i just stood the phone up i was
01:15:16 ◼ ► like just look at it it stands up you can just set it on the bottom and it just stands up yeah like
01:15:21 ◼ ► isn't that nice i think in general i like that i like the the right angle the flat edges rather
01:15:27 ◼ ► than the curved edges but it just it feels like you can it just feels like a phone he listens to
01:15:32 ◼ ► me it just feels like a phone you i hold this and i feel like i could go on like a roller coaster
01:15:40 ◼ ► nothing is going to make me drop this phone yeah and you put it in your pocket and it's like oh
01:15:48 ◼ ► well I got the battery replaced the Mi SE oh yeah did you was that through the uh the yeah
01:15:54 ◼ ► by the end of the either go prices go back up at the end of the year unless they change that
01:15:59 ◼ ► uh but so it was only 29 bucks that's it that's well if I'm gonna hang on to it I might as well
01:16:03 ◼ ► get the battery replaced. And how long did you have to wait for that? I remember at first it was
01:16:06 ◼ ► like a big one. It took a few days to get the appointments. Any of the appointments were booked
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01:22:03 ◼ ► during the apples event that he insists that they literally don't even not only do they
01:22:10 ◼ ► not use like external lights but they don't even use things I don't even know what they're
01:22:24 ◼ ► holding it up to bounce a little light off the bottom like they don't use anything like
01:22:28 ◼ ► that you know I mean obviously they are using professional photographers who are very good
01:22:32 ◼ ► taking photos with whatever camera they use. But in terms of—I think the photo that Shiller was
01:22:39 ◼ ► talking about was a 10-hour photo of a young woman at night leaning on a taxi cab with a neon sign
01:22:47 ◼ ► behind her. It was like a—there was some bounce. I think the way Shiller described it is there was
01:22:53 ◼ ► some bounce coming from the hood of the car because she was leaning on it, but that was
01:22:56 ◼ ► actually where she was, so it's fair game. The Pixel 3, they're talking about, in Google's
01:23:05 ◼ ► example photos, about their second selfie camera. It's super wide angle, like a fisheye
01:23:11 ◼ ► lens almost, so you can get more of your friends in. They have a side-by-side comparison and
01:23:16 ◼ ► supposedly taken at the same spot, but there's a guy in the one photo who has a smokestack
01:23:28 ◼ ► it's just showing how wide the angle is, and I think it's completely fair representation,
01:23:40 ◼ ► head. Well, let's photoshop it out." Don't do that. You can't do that in a photo comparison.
01:23:50 ◼ ► a grain of salt, but this night sight feature isn't yet shipping in the Pixel 3. So you
01:23:59 ◼ ► buy a Pixel 3, you open it up, you update the software. As of this recording, you still
01:24:03 ◼ ► don't have it. Google says it's coming soon. But apparently, some Android enthusiasts figured
01:24:11 ◼ ► out that if you just take the camera app and change one zero to a one, it's obviously like
01:24:19 ◼ ► a preference setting. "Is Night Sight on?" and it ships and it says zero, and you change it to one,
01:24:25 ◼ ► and then it's on. So people, you know, and then however, I don't even know what you do, but to,
01:24:31 ◼ ► you know, you install the app on your Pixel and you have this feature, it's rather astounding.
01:24:37 ◼ ► Vlad Savov at The Verge, I guess I should put this in the show notes, posted an article yesterday
01:24:57 ◼ ► These other ones look like other shots that I wish I could take right effectively what it's doing and it takes
01:25:08 ◼ ► Well, you can't just like open the camera hit the shutter button and have you know this shot in extremely low light limit
01:25:15 ◼ ► You know where a traditional cam photo with the exact same camera is almost all black with night sight
01:25:25 ◼ ► But it what it does is it takes a few seconds and you have to go to a special mode you have to turn
01:25:32 ◼ ► Panoramic mode or something like that. It's a different mode and then before you can hit the shutter
01:25:42 ◼ ► Then it uses all of them together with machine learning to like figure out what the heck it's actually doing
01:25:50 ◼ ► Not magic is it takes a couple seconds to get one of these images, but when you do it's really rather staggering
01:26:22 ◼ ► but it's their their example results in the paper were very so had a very similar look and
01:26:27 ◼ ► The people who wrote this paper also published this YouTube video showing examples of their stuff and they were using like
01:26:36 ◼ ► Real cameras like Sony RX cameras and stuff, but then using this it's machine learning take multiple exposures
01:26:52 ◼ ► Denoising algorithms, you know, like, you know, there's ways, you know, you take a noisy low-light photo
01:26:57 ◼ ► There's filters you can use in Photoshop to decrease the noise, but they there's severe, you know, they're very limited
01:27:31 ◼ ► Upset annoyed, you know, there's there's people who want the iPhone to be the better camera in every single regard
01:27:46 ◼ ► You know the pixel 2 from last year who think that it still takes better still photos than like iPhone tennis
01:27:51 ◼ ► It's obviously close but but there are specific features that Google has in their camera app that that are you know
01:28:00 ◼ ► It's not there's no there's no possible way that you can say this night sight feature isn't useful
01:28:04 ◼ ► It's and it's only a pixel. Yeah, I don't think that's I don't think it's a reasonable expectation to think that Apple would be ahead of
01:28:11 ◼ ► Google in every single regard because Google the Google right people are they're just too good at this. They're too good
01:28:21 ◼ ► It's just not fair to expect Apple or not reasonable to expect Apple to be first in every single regard
01:28:28 ◼ ► I wouldn't be surprised at all if Google if Apple comes out with a very similar feature in a year or two, right?
01:28:39 ◼ ► I need the absolute and some people probably do but I don't think most people I mean we talk, you know
01:28:44 ◼ ► you talked about you in a stern talking about how difficult it is to switch platforms for various different reasons and
01:29:03 ◼ ► Everything that's available. Yeah, Jeffrey Fowler who's now at the Washington Post as their tech columnist
01:29:23 ◼ ► and I think in a you know, I did a bunch of shots just comparing last year's 10 to the tennis and
01:29:28 ◼ ► It for most people what Fowler did comparing it to like an iPhone 6 is more reasonable because that's the phone people are upgrading from
01:29:56 ◼ ► I guess it's a I should mention this too because it was something people emailed to me about or a follow-up
01:30:03 ◼ ► I forgot talking to Frommer about the pixels last week. I mentioned that Google also has this picture this feature
01:30:10 ◼ ► Forget what they call it, but effectively when you tap on a subject in the display, you know
01:30:16 ◼ ► You're using the camera and you've got a cat and you tap on the cat to focus on the cat.
01:30:21 ◼ ► As the cat moves around, it keeps the focus square on that cat or whatever it is that you focused on.
01:30:31 ◼ ► It uses, again, machine learning to identify, "Oh, here's the thing and it's moving. We'll keep the
01:30:39 ◼ ► focus on it." It's really cool. Again, I have a Pixel 3 in the house, but I haven't even opened
01:31:00 ◼ ► The thing I want to mention is that apparently some higher-end dedicated cameras have had
01:31:05 ◼ ► a similar feature for a while. I don't think an SLR could do it because of the way SLRs
01:31:25 ◼ ► Somebody even said Fuji's, somebody actually even mentioned, I think who knows I have a
01:31:28 ◼ ► Fuji's like Fuji, all the good things you can say about their cameras are actually behind
01:31:33 ◼ ► on this feature. I think part of it is that my Fuji doesn't have a touch screen. It just
01:31:50 ◼ ► So how similar Google's implementation of this is to the implementation in Sony cameras
01:31:54 ◼ ► and whatever else, whoever else has them, I don't know. But it's a really cool feature.
01:31:58 ◼ ► And whether they're the first camera to have it or not, they're certainly the first cell
01:32:10 ◼ ► I should mention it because people have written to me about it is they have this picture called
01:32:20 ◼ ► you and the moment I hit the shutter, you're like looking away or your eyes are closed.
01:32:32 ◼ ► face and the eyes are closed." Luckily, I've captured three frames from the second before
01:32:38 ◼ ► and a few from this after and who here's one where his eyes are wide open and he's looking
01:32:43 ◼ ► right at the camera. I'll pop up and say, Hey, would you prefer to use this image rather
01:32:49 ◼ ► than that image? And some people have said, well, doesn't Apple have a similar feature?
01:32:55 ◼ ► Like when you take a burst mode or like when you take a burst mode, it puts a dot under
01:33:33 ◼ ► of the photos you take, it doesn't do anything because it doesn't trigger the, "Hey, this
01:33:45 ◼ ► don't know, I just, like I said a few minutes ago, there's some people who are so, suffer
01:33:50 ◼ ► so much consternation, worried that this can't be true that Google has better features on
01:33:55 ◼ ► the camera than the iPhone. This is one that it is. It's the, whatever Apple's doing with
01:34:20 ◼ ► her eyes closed. And I said this last week, but it just blows my mind that as she's telling
01:34:24 ◼ ► me how the feature works, I took a photo that triggered it and it said, "Would you rather
01:35:20 ◼ ► In another Verge story, I forget if it was a Huawei thing or who, but then the very next
01:35:25 ◼ ► today, obviously long in the works, The Verge had a long feature story from, I think, Sam
01:35:31 ◼ ► Biford, who I found it fascinating, like really digging into the Chinese phone company's
01:35:50 ◼ ► put their own UI skin on top of Android to give everything their own look. But like Xiaomi
01:36:00 ◼ ► and Huawei and LG, they all have their own—they even call them OSs, like MIUI OS and stuff.
01:36:08 ◼ ► It really is worth thinking of them as their own OSs based on Android. Part of it is fully
01:36:16 ◼ ► acknowledging that it's just completely standard amongst all of them to just utterly, shamelessly
01:36:22 ◼ ► copy the iOS camera app. I mean, they copy all sorts of things from iOS. They copy icons.
01:36:27 ◼ ► I think it was an icon. It was, it was like the music icon was like an exact, it was like
01:36:38 ◼ ► just the Apple health app icon with like an EKG line underneath the heart, like a white
01:37:02 ◼ ► what Byford wrote, might be the most influential software design of the last 10 years. They
01:37:27 ◼ ► tower? I'm trying to think about this. The case thing is weird. The fact that Apple doesn't
01:37:44 ◼ ► they purposefully not ready? I don't know. The fact that they don't even have cases yet
01:37:58 ◼ ► rumor, there were versions of the PR releases on September 12th about the new phones in
01:38:16 ◼ ► some original plan for Apple to ship a clear case for the iPhone 10R, which makes sense
01:38:21 ◼ ► because you know, if you're going to buy these colorful phones, right, why put them in an
01:38:29 ◼ ► was one of the things I was thinking what maybe why they don't ship with the cases they
01:38:32 ◼ ► want you to put a case on it but maybe and if you remember with the with the last colorful
01:38:37 ◼ ► iPhones the 5c the Apple cases had holes in the back yeah to show the color through right
01:39:05 ◼ ► like bullshit, but it was true. It was unapologetically plastic, and it was really nice. I did not
01:39:12 ◼ ► have one either because I got the 5S instead, which is actually in my hand as I speak. But
01:39:25 ◼ ► actual Apple employees in Cupertino. I forget why I was there. It was some subsequent event
01:39:35 ◼ ► or product briefing or something and I was at Infinite Loop and having lunch in the Cafe
01:39:42 ◼ ► Max. I forget who with. It was just very rare. It's unusual for Apple to invite members
01:39:50 ◼ ► of the media to stay for lunch. I just remember watching Apple employees walk around, and
01:40:05 ◼ ► an awful lot of people at Apple who were more interested in the fun aspect of Apple products
01:40:09 ◼ ► than the technical bleeding edge aspect of Apple products. I just thought that was really
01:40:14 ◼ ► you know that yeah you just eyeballing it roughly at lunch without being a creep you know but it was
01:40:21 ◼ ► the thing about the five C's is it was obvious it was a fight if it didn't have a case it was
01:40:25 ◼ ► very obvious you know because it looked like no other phone on the market let alone yeah their
01:40:30 ◼ ► iPhone yeah so I mean so is easier do you wonder if maybe that they they couldn't get I think they
01:40:37 ◼ ► tried to make a bunch of clear cases and they didn't work out for yeah I don't know or they're
01:41:15 ◼ ► a while though, I kind of want to have a case like on vacation, like in the summertime.
01:41:23 ◼ ► I tend to have sweaty hands and hot weather. All the modern iPhones get a little slippery
01:41:39 ◼ ► and then just if I feel like my phone is slippery, I like to, you know, when I'm on vacation,
01:42:00 ◼ ► it it's literally like a billion dollar industry selling phone accessories, you know, and
01:42:04 ◼ ► Yeah, I would guess easily. I think 95% of people put their iPhones in cases, maybe more I
01:43:52 ◼ ► So if I ever get a lemon that dies a day after the one-year warranty expires and I have to
01:44:25 ◼ ► Just but I dropped I saw I dropped that six and it cracked the screen and I got it fixed and I thought you know
01:44:36 ◼ ► I wanted to take a picture of something in a store and I held it up and it wasn't like taking it out of my
01:44:41 ◼ ► pocket and I just held it up to take a picture of like a shirt in a store and the phone just slipped right through my
01:45:16 ◼ ► phones combined since 2007. Not a single cracked screen. So I don't know. Maybe I'm lucky. Maybe
01:45:25 ◼ ► I'm careful. Whatever. I'm not a case person. But I remember we were at the fair, standing the line,
01:45:31 ◼ ► standing in the long line to do one of the rides and Hank's iPhone had the battery had drained.
01:45:39 ◼ ► And so he's like, "Can I play with your iPhone?" I was like, "Mmm, okay." I think it was a six as
01:45:44 ◼ ► well. And I was like, but don't drop it. Of course, like less than a minute later, smash.
01:46:10 ◼ ► like they of course had like best cases, best iPhone cases of 2018. I just I don't know what
01:46:16 ◼ ► we would do without the wire cutter. Like, like honestly, the why I guess they dropped the the
01:46:21 ◼ ► I wish they hadn't because I think that was a better name. But now they're just wire cutter.
01:46:24 ◼ ► But they have such good roundups of things like this. And they break their cases into such
01:46:32 ◼ ► sensible categories like super protective cases, you know, like the Otterbox style things that are
01:46:38 ◼ ► like, you know, you can like put it on a rink and hockey game and use it as the puck and it'll
01:46:42 ◼ ► survive. Super thin cases. And, you know, there's all sorts of, you know, any way you'd want to
01:46:51 ◼ ► separate it, you know, best letter case if you want to do it. And so I just went to their thing,
01:47:03 ◼ ► T-O-T-A-L-L-E-E. I mentioned this on a Slack that you and I are both on and somebody was like,
01:47:09 ◼ ► "I can't believe you bought a phone from a company with that name." And it was true. I saw the name
01:47:13 ◼ ► of the company and I was just like, "I'm not buying from these people." But they don't print
01:47:18 ◼ ► the name on the cases. Even in small print, the cases are completely unlogoed. They are expensive.
01:47:27 ◼ ► They're like $25 cases at Amazon which makes see I'm an idiot. I I there's so many like $8 cases
01:47:42 ◼ ► And I thought I bought like three of these cases that I'm have no intention of actually using I
01:47:54 ◼ ► But I just feel like without Apple branded cases. It might be helpful for me to say hey, here's some good ones, but I bought total Lee's
01:48:06 ◼ ► Can't help but think that clear cases are going to be a big thing. Oh, yeah for the 10r
01:48:19 ◼ ► Doesn't yellow over time and it doesn't crack. Apparently that's a problem with a lot of clear cases
01:48:46 ◼ ► tacky coming out of your pocket. You know, I feel like there's a fine line there. I actually feel
01:48:50 ◼ ► like Apple's polyurethane or whatever they call their plastic rubbery cases are a little too
01:48:57 ◼ ► frictiony coming out of a jeans pocket. My son swears by them though. He loves the Apple rubber
01:49:03 ◼ ► cases, whatever they call them. So it's, but it's, you know, it's nice and it is truly clear. It is
01:49:12 ◼ ► JAYLEE: Hank has a red leather case for his 7S. It's actually one of the first ones that he keeps
01:49:20 ◼ ► on most of the time. I mean, he used to have plastic ones, because I would always just get
01:49:25 ◼ ► him the cheapest one on Amazon. And he would constantly be just taking it. He didn't like
01:49:31 ◼ ► having that on, and he would take it off all the time, and then he'd drop the phone and break it.
01:49:35 ◼ ► It was like, "You have a case! Leave it in the case!" And this is the first one where I haven't
01:49:42 ◼ ► Yeah, well that's the other thing. Apple's cases are really good and it's weird, I guess,
01:49:47 ◼ ► because they are relatively expensive, you know, compared to third-party cases. That's why people
01:49:53 ◼ ► don't buy them because it also seems to me like eyeballing it at airports or wherever I go where
01:50:04 ◼ ► Nobody, just me. But I also noticed that nobody uses Apple cases. But I think the Apple cases are
01:50:09 ◼ ► by far the nicest. They fit. I had one of their leather cases for something, I can't remember,
01:50:15 ◼ ► I think it was the 6, and I have it like a knockoff one for my SE. And the only reason I
01:50:20 ◼ ► actually have it in a case, I would probably go without it, but my car mount is a magnetic
01:50:25 ◼ ► car mount. And so if I want to put it on that, I have to have that plate in there and I'm not
01:50:31 ◼ ► going to attach it to the iPhone, for sure. Yeah, my favorite cases by far are the Apple
01:50:37 ◼ ► leather cases. Jonas does not like them, though. He likes the rubber ones. He genuinely prefers it.
01:50:41 ◼ ► But the Apple leather cases are so perfect. I mean, they're obviously not the thinnest,
01:50:50 ◼ ► but it's obviously like a middle ground between being pretty protective compared to no case at all.
01:50:57 ◼ ► not like one of these, you know, once it's almost like a sticker, you know, but I like that. I bought
01:51:02 ◼ ► some of these for my 10 s from totally that are so they're so thin that that the camera bump still
01:51:10 ◼ ► sticks out. That's how thin they are. Like one of the nice things about a case and I actually think
01:51:15 ◼ ► it not to ramble all over the place. But I actually think you know, we I used to bitch about
01:51:21 ◼ ► camera bumps when Apple first introduced it with the iPhone six. It's like, what is this bump? Why?
01:51:26 ◼ ► You know, this is terrible. It feels like a pimple on the back of the phone and it's you know
01:51:45 ◼ ► Most people never notice because they use a case and with the case with almost every case the bump
01:51:55 ◼ ► Whereas these super thin cases from totally the clear one is not super thin. The clear one is like the sort of regular rubbery thickness
01:52:16 ◼ ► One of the things about it is that when you press the buttons like the volume and the power button
01:52:20 ◼ ► It doesn't feel like you're pressing a button that is pressing a button. It just feels like you're pressing a button
01:52:26 ◼ ► Yeah, well, it's just a bump right? I mean this one I think as a knockoff doesn't the same way as the real one, right?
01:52:31 ◼ ► Yeah, the only thing that to me the only thing that really really I always annoys me on
01:52:36 ◼ ► Using the case of any sort is the getting the volume toggle aren't are the mute toggle the mute thing. Yeah
01:52:46 ◼ ► That's that I've mentioned this before and that's what other people tell me other people are like you turn your phone off mute and it's like
01:52:52 ◼ ► Yeah, sometimes I do. I never do. I still think it's the weirdest thing that that's not copied by Android makers
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02:00:08 ◼ ► figure this out. Okay. Well, I think the surprise thing we can start with that is that Ming-Chu
02:00:16 ◼ ► Kuo says there'll be a new iPad mini. But not next week or he does say there's gonna be next week.
02:00:22 ◼ ► Maybe I'm wrong about that. I thought that he said, I thought he said that it's in the works,
02:00:28 ◼ ► but it's early 2019. Oh, okay. Okay. I don't think it's next week. And that, you know, it would,
02:00:35 ◼ ► it would in theory be aligned with if they do like a one-year revolution of the regular iPads too,
02:00:40 ◼ ► like if they do like a March or April event. But anyway, I think just any sign of life that the
02:00:45 ◼ ► iPad mini is not dead is news. Because the mini was something that maybe wasn't updated every year,
02:00:51 ◼ ► but it was updated most years until all of a sudden it wasn't updated at all. And I loved
02:00:58 ◼ ► talking, you know, again, tying to something we talked an hour ago about and my declining eyesight.
02:01:04 ◼ ► I loved the iPad mini when it came out loved it. I was like I would never buy a big iPad that thing is huge
02:01:21 ◼ ► But but I you know for the gaming and watching TV shows and stuff like that. I'd rather have in writing
02:01:31 ◼ ► Yeah, and that's the other thing for me that I do a lot more of than I did six seven eight years ago
02:01:53 ◼ ► But it's really it's almost like watching baseball on a phone is almost like oh, yeah listening to baseball
02:02:01 ◼ ► So yeah for watching stuff. I like the bigger one, but still I know there are fans of the iPad mini and
02:02:28 ◼ ► and it seems like there's enough people who still like that device that it's worth making one.
02:02:33 ◼ ► Yeah, and I did that. I actually dug my iPad Mini. The one that I own is actually an iPad Mini 2,
02:02:46 ◼ ► It is totally… I don't think… I think the idea that a big ass 6.5 inch 10s max is, you know,
02:02:57 ◼ ► Just no need for iPad mini anymore. The iPad mini is so much bigger than a 10s max. It's ridiculous
02:03:16 ◼ ► Yeah, it seems like that but the bet the bet the house on that because they haven't been updated for an entire generation
02:03:27 ◼ ► would guess they'll have A12s, but there was no, you know, the current iPad Pros are all A10 devices
02:03:32 ◼ ► haven't been updated in a while. Supposedly, you know, and shocker, I don't think you even need to
02:03:40 ◼ ► follow the rumors. I think you just need to look at what Apple's doing with iPhones and, you know,
02:03:44 ◼ ► the idea that the screens will go more corner to corner and have rounded edges at the corners.
02:03:59 ◼ ► Guillermo Rambo or both of them, who poking about iOS 12.1 betas concluded that the camera would
02:04:14 ◼ ► But that you would think that would, you know, maybe that's not important for the iPhone,
02:04:19 ◼ ► because when you're unlocking it, it's always in portrait, whereas iPads are equally used
02:04:25 ◼ ► both ways. So it would really suck if it didn't work both ways. Hopefully, that would be cool.
02:04:33 ◼ ► And the one that, to me, is more interesting, most interesting, is supposedly they're switching to
02:04:42 ◼ ► USB-C instead of Lightning, which in turn would also mean that I guess they'll need to make a
02:04:53 ◼ ► port on your iPad Pro. But that kind of sucks if you're like, let's say you're a big iPad
02:05:02 ◼ ► Pro user and you have an Apple Pencil. It kind of sucks that you've got to spend another
02:05:05 ◼ ► hundred bucks on an Apple Pencil just so you can charge it with the iPad. I mean, I guess
02:05:20 ◼ ► you know, there's there is a little dongle that ships with the pencil that lets you use
02:05:23 ◼ ► the turns it into a female lighting connector instead of a male lightning connector. Yeah.
02:05:44 ◼ ► know, German we seem and it's reported that there's a supposedly lower cost MacBook Air
02:05:49 ◼ ► replacement with a retina screen, but there's really no deep even from German. There's no
02:06:17 ◼ ► with Macbooks. I mean, very, very exciting. And the event is in New York at the Brooklyn
02:06:29 ◼ ► even hate flying, but it sure as hell is. A $61 Amtrak train that takes 80 minutes and leaves from
02:06:37 ◼ ► a train station I'm 10 minutes away from is an awful lot better than a transcontinental flight.
02:06:43 ◼ ► I'm terribly excited about that. Yeah, it feels downright luxurious. What else? I don't know.
02:07:00 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. So the iMac, I just looked up the regular non-pro iMacs are over 500 days since
02:07:08 ◼ ► the last update. And, you know, I think I tweeted about this and somebody was like, well, you know,
02:07:12 ◼ ► guess what? That's, that's the way Apple rolls these days. But the iMac, however much you want
02:07:17 ◼ ► to criticize Apple for letting certain products in the Mac lineup languish for well over a year
02:07:34 ◼ ► **Ezra Kleinman** The iMac is not a device that Apple has let languish. Even if you want to argue
02:07:40 ◼ ► that their focus is on MacBooks and portables instead of desktops, the iMac has never lost favor
02:07:45 ◼ ► with Apple. So 500 days is unusual. I almost feel like it's 500 days not because they've
02:07:53 ◼ ► taking her eye off the ball, but that the last update to the iMac 5k was so good that it could
02:07:59 ◼ ► go over a year without an update. I mean, obviously it's fallen behind the state of the art and Intel
02:08:03 ◼ ► chips. But I still have my desktop is the original 5k iMac. And then I don't know how long out here,
02:08:16 ◼ ► But the display adds, you know, the the, the greater color gamut, etc. It's even better display.
02:08:23 ◼ ► So I don't know but it's you know, everybody just says they might come out with new iMacs
02:08:30 ◼ ► Are they just gonna look the same and have the same display and they're just updating to newer
02:08:34 ◼ ► CPUs or is there going to be more to it than that? I don't know. Yeah an update to the Mac Mini now
02:08:45 ◼ ► In a room, you know, like it if that actually and it's weird like people are saying that might happen under a supplies
02:08:56 ◼ ► Is it going to be the exact same form factor and they've just here's a new one with a new chip?
02:09:05 ◼ ► Nux, I don't even know what it stands for. Well, do you know what that yeah, I don't either I know
02:09:20 ◼ ► The iPad mini is not many at all. I'm the Mac mini. I mean the Mac mini is no longer many at all compared to those
02:09:35 ◼ ► But you could you could put that external power supply next to it and it still is smaller than the Mac mini
02:09:43 ◼ ► So it would be exciting if it's like the next and the next use don't the next use flash
02:09:50 ◼ ► I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And these, I mean, like most of the current Mac mini still have
02:10:50 ◼ ► So that, you know, and I know, again, is it, you know, is it essential to Apple's bottom line? No,
02:11:00 ◼ ► And I want to get I want to get one as a Plex server, just as immediate for a media server.
02:11:14 ◼ ► In his article, I think Ermin said something about a new Mac Mini and said that it would,
02:11:17 ◼ ► you know, it didn't have any details about what it would look like or what else, but that it would
02:11:21 ◼ ► be somehow geared towards enthusiasts. And I can't help but think that what you're, you know, using
02:11:26 ◼ ► it as a Plex server or something like that is exactly, you know, the thinking, you know, that
02:11:31 ◼ ► why not sell have Apple sell something to Mac nerds who want to buy a Mac and have it running
02:11:38 ◼ ► all the time to do something like that? Like, why make Mac nerds go to other vendors? Why,
02:11:43 ◼ ► Why break them out of the Apple universe? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like Jason Snell went to the
02:11:51 ◼ ► trouble to Frank and Mac, whatever you call it, and he got a NUC and installed OS X on it.
02:12:05 ◼ ► Yeah. You know, I was thinking, I guess I could Google it. But I was wondering, it seems like
02:12:14 ◼ ► everybody makes a Hackintosh, it's always like a desktop. It doesn't seem like anybody makes one
02:12:18 ◼ ► out of a laptop. And I just got to thinking about it, like, I'm worried about these MacBook
02:12:23 ◼ ► keyboards. Like Casey Johnston, who writes for the Outline now and has written a bunch, a series of
02:12:33 ◼ ► pretty good articles, really good articles, I should say, on the MacBook keyboard saga.
02:12:44 ◼ ► "Well, it's obviously broken. You got a speck of dust under the key. What were you doing?"
02:12:50 ◼ ► You know, like literally, it was like, "What do you expect? There's a speck of dust in there.
02:12:59 ◼ ► And her most recent one was about, you know, does this new third generation MacBook Pro
02:13:55 ◼ ► In my experience Apple employees store employees will tell you, you know, if they don't know you're the guy who ready to use it fireball there
02:14:08 ◼ ► Some of them will give you the honest advice that you should quit your apps on your iPhone
02:14:12 ◼ ► I mean, they're not all you know, it's not all good advice, but it's honest advice. Well, they're not all reading off the script
02:14:21 ◼ ► Yeah, but on the other hand she's pointed to a Mac rumors forum post where there are people with new MacBook pros
02:14:31 ◼ ► But it doesn't seem to be as widespread. But anyway, yeah, it seems like it's gotten better at least
02:14:40 ◼ ► She said that somebody you know, a couple people have said to her like don't worry about these keyboards
02:14:44 ◼ ► They're moving towards all glass keyboards that don't have moving keys at all and we'll use haptic feedback
02:14:50 ◼ ► And I I know Syracuse has mentioned this you know that if the keyboards are always getting thinner
02:14:56 ◼ ► Eventually having a keyboard that doesn't literally click at all is the end goal and at that point I might be out
02:15:05 ◼ ► Am too old to learn how to type on something like that like yeah, I don't know if I could handle that either
02:15:19 ◼ ► At the store and typing incredibly fast. Oh, yeah, absolutely and I've just been like blown away that anybody could do that
02:15:27 ◼ ► I've definitely seen it at the Apple Store because they use iPads for all sorts of things
02:15:35 ◼ ► There's kids who use their iPad and they type faster than I type on a real keyboard on the iPad keyboard
02:15:46 ◼ ► Even with even with you know haptic feedback. It's yes. I think that's not gonna be good. I
02:15:56 ◼ ► You need a you know, you need a steampunk steampunk keyboard is what yeah, but anyway, I'm intrigued
02:16:03 ◼ ► It's obviously whatever Mac books they come out with next week. I'm intrigued what the keyboard story will be
02:16:08 ◼ ► I mean, I would guess the betting money is it's going to be the you know, third generation butterfly switches with the membrane
02:16:24 ◼ ► wouldn't I wouldn't expect that that's gonna happen but yeah is the air power going to come
02:16:32 ◼ ► out it's a little it would be a little weird if it came out next well that was the other thing
02:16:37 ◼ ► that cool said I think at the same I think he was predicting that would be so I think he was didn't
02:17:31 ◼ ► It would make perfect sense if she just bought them. Because I just think it would be a little
02:17:41 ◼ ► to say finally, but it certainly implied, and maybe they would. Maybe they'll even address
02:17:46 ◼ ► the fact that, yeah, this is a little ridiculous, and maybe they'd even put up a finally slide.
02:17:51 ◼ ► But it would be a little weird to me stagecraft-wise to say, "Okay, our power is finally here,"
02:18:03 ◼ ► ago, and the new Apple Watch just came out a month ago, and they don't tend to talk about
02:18:14 ◼ ► say and here's the new charging case for the AirPods would actually be something they could
02:18:19 ◼ ► say here's a new thing that actually charges with the AirPower. But then the other thing
02:18:23 ◼ ► that would be weird is if they don't announce the AirPower on Tuesday, then when the hell
02:18:28 ◼ ► is it coming out? I mean, I don't know. It's such a weird story. So anyway, weird stories
02:19:13 ◼ ► Yeah. I think the X factor would be if they've done something—iPad stuff, software-wise,
02:19:25 ◼ ► could there be some major new improvements to multitasking and stuff in the iPad version
02:19:37 ◼ ► the iPads? Are they still not going to have a trackpad? I feel like the lack of a trackpad
02:19:48 ◼ ► like my Mac. I just think it's really, really weird that Apple says we don't want to—we're
02:19:55 ◼ ► going to make touchscreen Mac books because it's a bad form factor for reaching out and
02:20:00 ◼ ► touching the screen to have this perpendicular screen that you reach out and poke at. And
02:20:06 ◼ ► here's an iPad that you can use like a laptop with a keyboard that we make. And if you want
02:20:16 ◼ ► said is ergonomically unpleasant. Like I think it's a really weird story that would go away
02:22:56 ◼ ► too. I've talked about this. Is by following the Apple TV design. So you could go to the
02:23:03 ◼ ► home screen. Number one, you can't go to the home screen on the keyboard now. So I think
02:23:13 ◼ ► do is move around the trackpad and it would pop the icons up like the icons on Apple TV
02:23:20 ◼ ► Yeah. It would just be like Apple TV. I forget what the name of that interface is, but it's
02:23:27 ◼ ► called 3D something. I don't know. But it was already running on iOS. There's no reason
02:23:33 ◼ ► it couldn't work on an iPad with a keyboard attached. So you wouldn't have a mouse cursor
02:23:43 ◼ ► it would just move around the icons. I think it could be very nice, and I think it, ergonomically,
02:23:47 ◼ ► it would be great because it really is ergonomically unpleasant when you're in a laptop form factor
02:24:07 ◼ ► I don't know why I can separate this in my mind because it doesn't really make that much
02:24:18 ◼ ► touches my Mac screen, I get unreasonably angry about it. But I will happily keep working
02:24:25 ◼ ► on my iPad if there's a bunch of fingerprints on it. I shouldn't say happily, but I will.
02:24:38 ◼ ► you before, I've had this MacBook Pro for four years, so the screen has been touched. But the
02:24:43 ◼ ► first time somebody touches my Mac screen, I really want to just take the computer back and buy a new
02:24:48 ◼ ► one. I just, it's like, all right, you know, you touch my screen, get me a hard drive, super duper,
02:24:56 ◼ ► clone the drive, go buy a new one, restore the drive, open it up, and now I've got a screen that
02:25:02 ◼ ► has never been touched by greasy humans. I really, I, nothing, my computer could be half functioning.
02:25:10 ◼ ► I, I, Karen used to, Karen used to pick up, I don't think she, she's got an error. She's got
02:25:16 ◼ ► 11 inch error now. And I don't think she does it at this device anymore because it doesn't,
02:25:45 ◼ ► Because your thumb would naturally go right over like the prime real estate of the screen, right?
02:26:29 ◼ ► there were 236 variations. But then somebody on Twitter was telling me that they think everybody
02:26:34 ◼ ► got a unique one. Because I don't know how many press invitations did they send out. If we know
02:26:39 ◼ ► there's 236 unique ones, there might be one for everybody. I don't know. Mine certainly doesn't
02:26:47 ◼ ► look like it was commissioned for me. It doesn't look like anything. Even if they did make one for
02:26:54 ◼ ► everybody. I think they assigned them randomly, but I did see something where somebody—there's
02:26:59 ◼ ► some kind of speculation that there are—that they've sent illustrators—there's illustrators
02:27:12 ◼ ► And Adobe debuted Photoshop for iPad. It's not out; it's coming in, quote-unquote, 2019.
02:27:22 ◼ ► but at their Adobe Max conference a week or two ago. And Phil Schiller actually was there,
02:27:27 ◼ ► appeared on stage, to say how happy he was about it and how closely Apple and Adobe are collaborating
02:27:34 ◼ ► on this. So we'd expect to see that again, probably. I would eat my hat if we don't see—I,
02:27:40 ◼ ► honest to God, would eat my hat if Apple does not have Adobe come on stage and debut and demo
02:27:46 ◼ ► Photoshop for iPad. As long as it's not another AR demo. And there's got to be some new angle
02:27:52 ◼ ► to it too. It can't just be what they showed at max. Maybe it's just some kind of new feature
02:27:56 ◼ ► in the pencil, you know, because obviously Adobe Max, it was on the existing iPad Pro with the
02:28:00 ◼ ► existing pencil. Maybe there's some kind of new features that are enabled by this. There's some
02:28:06 ◼ ► speculation that the switching to USB-C is about support for external displays with Thunderbolt.
02:28:12 ◼ ► So maybe it's something like that, like you can plug in an external display with your iPad and
02:28:18 ◼ ► you can have your Photoshop on a big screen. Who knows? But it's got to be—I will eat my hat if
02:28:25 ◼ ► Adobe is not on stage to demo this because I think it is—of all the apps in the world that Apple
02:28:30 ◼ ► would want to have a third party come up and demonstrate on an iPad Pro, I think Photoshop is
02:28:35 ◼ ► number one. I literally don't think there's another app in any category that Apple would rather
02:28:41 ◼ ► say there's—here it is on the iPad Pro. I really mean that. And it would fit in with the Steam
02:28:48 ◼ ► of illustrators, actual artists doing stuff. I think it's exactly the sort of thing that
02:28:55 ◼ ► the iPad is just way better than a Mac for. If you are the sort of person who can illustrate
02:30:07 ◼ ► before. The night before. The stupidest thing was when the Panzerino, I was staying in San
02:30:49 ◼ ► of surprises. We've got the Bloomberg thing. I don't have much to say about it other than
02:30:59 ◼ ► out on a limb there and now Tim Cook has called for them to retract the story. Right. And
02:31:03 ◼ ► that is it. You know, I don't want to get too inside baseball, but that's unprecedented.
02:31:12 ◼ ► articles about the retraction had an anonymous comment from presumably somebody in Apple
02:31:19 ◼ ► PR, you know, somebody close to the situation said that Apple had given long consideration
02:31:32 ◼ ► didn't want to come across as bullying. It is not a good look in general for the world's
02:31:40 ◼ ► largest company by share value to tell a respectable news publication to attract a story. It is
02:31:50 ◼ ► just not a good look. But the first and second biggest companies in the world, Apple and
02:32:00 ◼ ► companies do. It's certainly not something reputable companies do. Yeah, I think Bloomberg
02:32:16 ◼ ► the Washington Post put a team on this, the New York Times put a team on this, and none
02:32:20 ◼ ► of these other publications have come up with anything to corroborate this, let alone the
02:32:31 ◼ ► have found one of these super micro motherboards with a chip on it and said, "Here it is.
02:32:45 ◼ ► If there are such boards out there, the first security researcher who can publicly find
02:32:55 ◼ ► it was going to be famous. So I think Bloomberg screwed on that. I think Bloomberg is sort