202: ‘You Tell Me If It’s a Dongle’ With Joanna Stern

0:00:00This should be easy for you. You do video now. You do so much video and now

0:00:03So just recording audio should be a cinch seats for me. This is complicated

0:00:07Yeah, I do all of I do

0:00:10Single-handedly all the video and audio production at the Wall Street Journal

0:00:13Which is crazy. Yeah, I'm just sitting in the recording booth all day

0:00:19Then I run and I deal with the cameras change the lenses shine the lenses. I

0:00:24Really I do fine and I don't even do the editing of my podcast. So

0:00:28It's I still find out no, I have I have a guy named Caleb Sexton who is awesome and does it

0:00:35He has an awesome name. Yeah, he does

0:00:37So you upload the stuff for him and then he listens through it and yep

0:00:42And he finds a place to cut in for the cold opening. He takes out all of our stupidums and Oz

0:00:46He makes sure our levels are good anybody who enjoys the audio quality of this show can think

0:00:51When I curse does he I've you know, I've I've listened to these podcasts. Have you ever bleeped me? I don't know

0:00:57No, we don't believe we had a thing a couple of years ago where I

0:01:01Mean that show never has that much cursing

0:01:04But we had a thing a couple of years ago where a couple of people

0:01:06Must have been listening in their cars or something and sent a note to to Apple

0:01:11That they were you know

0:01:13Mildly offended that the curse words got through and her kids heard him in the car and I got a very nice email from someone

0:01:18It was very nice from Apple and and it was a very, you know, it wasn't just like from an anonymous like

0:01:23iTunes at apple.com it was somebody who works there and like hey, I'm on the iTunes team. I'm actually a big fan of the show

0:01:28Just want to let you know if you're gonna curse that's fine, but you got to add the explicit tag

0:01:33To yeah RSS feed and that's all you have to do

0:01:36And so I did it and then I don't know it just sort of faded away and I don't we don't really bother with that anymore

0:01:42So you could swear and I don't think it'll be a matter but I don't well

0:01:46remember the time I was on and all people complained about was

0:01:50The sounds of the sirens and the street noise because of my New York City apartment. I I don't understand

0:01:56I do remember that and I don't know very angry with me, but I don't understand why it

0:02:01People would complain about that

0:02:03It didn't seem to me like it was any more excessive than what I would occasionally get in my at the we just moved earlier this

0:02:10year

0:02:10Yeah

0:02:10I think I remember it was the sirens because there were I used to live in New York City and it was

0:02:15there was like I was either near it was in I was near a precinct and they

0:02:19I think what happened was there were a couple of like very clear police sirens and people

0:02:27thought they were being pulled over when they were listening in the car.

0:02:29Oh, that is funny.

0:02:30All right.

0:02:31That's, that's kind of funny.

0:02:32Yeah.

0:02:33I remember one time I remember I got some tweets about it and people were very angry.

0:02:36And so I moved, I moved because of them.

0:02:39I moved to Jersey City where there are no police cars.

0:02:42We used to have in our old neighborhood for a while and thankfully the guy either sold

0:02:47his car or move but we had one guy I never figured out which car it was but

0:02:51it was a like the world's most sensitive car alarm and number one this was like

0:02:55five five years ago it's like who still has a car alarm what is this 1989 but it

0:03:01would go off and and there's nothing I could do like it was you know and it

0:03:05would you know there's definitely a car alarm and a club you have a club still I

0:03:09have a club no I don't have a club I'm just joking I used to have a club though

0:03:16Yeah, I mean, that's what that's what was the company that made the club. And they had

0:03:24like they had the they always had those commercials. Yeah, I'll tell you what, for a while, every

0:03:30single car in Philadelphia had the club on it. I mean, their market share was unbelievable.

0:03:34Right. And it was all and it was all the club brand product for anybody who doesn't know

0:03:39if you don't live in the US the club was sort of like a bike lock for your steering wheel.

0:03:44you'd expand it and it was like a bar that you would push it. I just looked up a picture

0:03:49of it. You should put the link to this. All right, I will make sure Erica's right in this

0:03:53right in the show notes. Right in the show notes. Wait. I'm putting it in. Yeah. But

0:04:02everybody had one. And I don't think it really did a damn thing. I mean, I think like just

0:04:07like anybody with like a hammer to break the glass of your car would then take the hammer

0:04:11and shatter the lock on the club. Everybody had one.

0:04:13You know what the club equivalent was for tech? Your password being 123456. That was

0:04:22the club that you would put on your that was the equivalent. Basically, when you have your

0:04:26password being 123456, you're basically putting a club on the front of your phone password,

0:04:30but the the O is zero. Right? I think I use that at one point. Do you ever have a car

0:04:39stolen? No. Amy had her car stolen when we first moved in together. This is my wife.

0:04:45She had back in like 1999 in West Philly and it's like the most bizarre

0:04:52experience like because she thought she remembered where she parked it and it

0:04:56wasn't there and she thought oh shit where did I park it and and it took her

0:04:59like 15 minutes of walking around before she realized you know what I think my

0:05:04car was stolen. That happened to me a couple of months ago but it was towed.

0:05:08Oh, really? Oh, so how do you know what happens? What do you how long did it take you to realize what happened?

0:05:14like

0:05:1615 minutes I

0:05:18Came back in my apartment building my neighbors like oh no, they were towing from that street and I was like, oh

0:05:25And that's how I realized I I you know, they were paving the street

0:05:30And yeah, the Philadelphia Parking Authority is the most efficient police

0:05:35Organization I've ever encountered in the world if you can call them, you know

0:05:39They're in some sense of the word the parking authority is law enforcement, right?

0:05:42the law says if you park here too long you get a ticket right and they wear sort of

0:05:46Copy sort of uniforms. They're so efficient

0:05:50It is astounding like there's on Walnut Street here in Philadelphia very busy Street lots and lots like the street where the Apple Store is

0:05:57And and there's hospitals down that you know hospitals high-end retail very busy Street

0:06:02I think I forget what time of day I think it's like 4 30

0:06:06You're no longer allowed to park on the left side of the street. It's like they want to open that up for traffic like

0:06:12If your car is parked there, it's towed by 431

0:06:16It is unbelievable how efficient it is. It's like at 4 30 and and one second

0:06:23There's tow trucks every day because somebody you know, it's a type of it's also the type of place where unfortunately

0:06:29Visitors they won't just take it like they won't take it first-time offenders. Nope. It's you're out big time because they want that

0:06:35You know, they want that for traffic. It's crazy

0:06:38But it's it's like if all law enforcement were that efficient it we would live in some kind of you know

0:06:43Sci-fi utopia where there is no crime

0:06:45Yeah, I mean I could probably do I mean this whole podcast could be about my like trials of I mean

0:06:52I just get a lot of tickets. I have a lot of parking tickets. I just like been collecting them lately

0:06:58I live in Jersey City now and I have to like it's alternate side parking for street cleaning

0:07:05and I forget to move it some days and you know.

0:07:08Well that's the other thing in Philly with the parking authority is if you have unpaid

0:07:11parking tickets they get you.

0:07:13I mean they have they they put the boot on your car.

0:07:17Which is sort of like the fancy version of the club really.

0:07:20Yeah.

0:07:21Well but far more effective.

0:07:23Right.

0:07:24I mean you're really not going to move that car.

0:07:28I remember one time we had a place, it was like two houses ago, and we lived on a very

0:07:32quiet, almost like an alley type street, but it did have broad sidewalks and it almost

0:07:36never had cars coming down. It was so untrafficked that you could, it was a great place when

0:07:43our son was very small, so we could go out and just play ball in the street. It was almost

0:07:46like we had our own little playground in front of the house. One time my father-in-law was

0:07:50visiting and I told him he could park, just park on the sidewalk, you'll be fine. And

0:07:55We've had guests come over and just had them park on the sidewalk in front of the house

0:07:59for a few hours and nothing ever happened.

0:08:01And of course, I actually left the house to go get something.

0:08:05Maybe I volunteered to go get coffee for everybody.

0:08:07And lo and behold, he had a ticket.

0:08:09And I took it off his windshield and looked at it and it was super expensive.

0:08:12It was like a $110 ticket.

0:08:15So I just put it in my pocket and I was like, "Oh shit, I got to pay this."

0:08:18I hope he never gets a confirmation in the mail like, "Thank you for paying your partial

0:08:24ticket."

0:08:25I've paid many a parking ticket on my parents' cars

0:08:28because I have a problem.

0:08:30- And people out of the city, they're like,

0:08:32"Why do you live here?"

0:08:33- Well, you know, I do like, speaking of parking,

0:08:37you know, I guess it's not an iOS 11 thing.

0:08:40And I guess it was in iOS 10, but I feel like in iOS 11 now,

0:08:44it's far more aggressive at telling me

0:08:46where I parked my car.

0:08:47- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:08:48That's a great feature.

0:08:50- Isn't it an iOS 11 thing?

0:08:52- I think it might be, I don't know.

0:08:53What about maybe just notice it? Hold on a second. I got to do something first. I guess

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0:11:22What do you want to talk about?

0:11:28I want to talk about so many things.

0:11:31There's so much new stuff that's come out.

0:11:34So much stuff. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think I know what people want us to talk about.

0:11:41Which is that?

0:11:41They want you to tell me that I wrote a terrible Apple Watch review.

0:11:45We should start with that. Did you get feedback then? I loved your Apple Watch review.

0:11:51Yeah, let's talk about it. I mean, let's talk about...

0:11:53All right. So inside baseball, I think people who listen to this realize this, but I feel

0:12:01like you kind of need the basic backstory on how... It's not just Apple product reviews,

0:12:06but you know, Apple product reviews are the ones I'm most familiar with. Where review

0:12:10units get seeded out to writers like me and you and you know, whoever else, generally

0:12:17about a week before, and then there's an embargo. We signed a non-disclosure agreement where

0:12:21we can't write about it. And like for me, the still most frustrating is like with the

0:12:26phones, you can't post pictures taken with the phones to social media until this embargo

0:12:30date is over.

0:12:31Yeah, you're not even really supposed to share with anyone information about the phones.

0:12:37I mean, if you if some some of these non disclosure agreements, you know, I won't specifically

0:12:43say companies, but they will say in it, that you can have even people within your family

0:12:48or that can it's really, it's it would only be people within your family or close colleagues

0:12:55that could know you were testing this device.

0:12:57Right. And and then there's an embargo did time, which is like, let's say Tuesday, whatever

0:13:02date at 7am Eastern Time, I think that's what it was for for the time that no one's on the

0:13:07internet usually.

0:13:08Well, they've...

0:13:09Usually...

0:13:10Well, Apple's actually gotten...

0:13:13It's better than some companies.

0:13:14A lot of companies will do midnight because they'll either say because of the markets

0:13:19or they'll say because of other international markets.

0:13:22I was talking about the financial markets, but they're also in terms of they're just

0:13:26scheduling around other time zones.

0:13:30But yes, we have to agree to the time of when we are allowed to then disclose our thoughts.

0:13:36And then generally, most of the reviews are ready to go and drop right at the moment of

0:13:41the embargo time.

0:13:43I personally have sometimes missed that by many hours because I'm so bad with deadlines.

0:13:50And lately though, I've had a good run of it.

0:13:52And I think ever since they've switched to these early morning ones, I've just in my

0:13:56mind the fact that I think I got to get done the night before means that if I'm a few hours

0:14:00late, it just means I stay up past midnight one, two, working on it.

0:14:05So it's easier for me.

0:14:06So anyway, all the reviews for Apple Watch dropped and I don't forget which day of the

0:14:13week it was last week, but it was pretty sensational because yours for the Wall Street Journal

0:14:20and Lauren Goodes for The Verge both seemingly ran into the same problem where the highlight

0:14:27feature of this device, the cellular networking, did not work.

0:14:31- Properly.

0:14:33- Yeah, reliably, right?

0:14:35Like sometimes didn't connect, sometimes,

0:14:37just didn't work the way it's supposed to at all.

0:14:39And obviously those are the two reviews

0:14:42that got the most attention,

0:14:44which obviously was not a good day for Apple.

0:14:48- No.

0:14:49And seemingly one of the reasons

0:14:51they got the most attention was,

0:14:54and again, this is some of the inside baseball

0:14:55is up until the very last minute

0:14:59when we were working with Apple,

0:15:01they were sort of figuring out

0:15:05what the sum of the situation may have been,

0:15:08or what were the reasons that Lauren and I

0:15:11had some different, you know,

0:15:13if you read her review carefully,

0:15:14and you read mine carefully,

0:15:16we had a lot of the same issues where, you know,

0:15:18connectivity would just kind of drop

0:15:20or we would be in these patches

0:15:21where I would say disconnected,

0:15:23at least that was what my experience was.

0:15:25The handoff between Wi-Fi and cellular

0:15:28was one of the things that I had. But up until that last

0:15:31minute, Apple hadn't really had statements about what they were

0:15:36willing to say could or could not be wrong with the product.

0:15:39And so when I first published mine, I had a statement from

0:15:43Apple that said, we're looking into these issues. Lauren had a

0:15:47statement that said something much more detailed, because

0:15:51Apple had sort of said, we know about this problem, which was

0:15:54the handoff situation. And so I then quickly had to also scramble an update with a similar

0:16:01statement that Apple provided to me. So you know, I think what I mean, I think it's probably

0:16:08a very small amount of readers who wrote to me and said, Well, this is going to be fixed

0:16:11in a software update. Why are you even sort of going after Apple for this this issue?

0:16:17And there's two things one, I didn't know the entire time I was reviewing that there

0:16:23was going to be a software update. And as far as I know,

0:16:27we still don't have a software update. And two, you you can't

0:16:31review based on a future promise, right? I mean, I'm not

0:16:35reviewing the the the watch series seven here, I'm reviewing

0:16:39the series three, which is what we have, which is my experience

0:16:43for the week that I had to test it. And, you know, just to even

0:16:47back up from there, and Lauren did another she she detailed

0:16:50this in her review. And I, you know, just mentioned that I had tested three of these

0:16:55products. Well, I had tested two and Jeff Fowler, my colleague, he had one as well.

0:17:01And he had had similar issues. So from my experience, it wasn't an isolated issue. Again,

0:17:10we don't really end up really knowing fully when these issues were really happening to

0:17:15either of us. But again, it's based on your experience as a

0:17:19reviewer. That's that's what that's, you know, when I when I

0:17:22write, I'm going to talk about or I'm going to relay what what

0:17:25my experience was.

0:17:26Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Especially since it wasn't

0:17:32resolved by the time the embargo dropped. I mean, it, you know,

0:17:35if they're going to insist on an embargo time where you can't say

0:17:39anything until this, you know, you can't you can't review this

0:17:42as a series of experiences over the week, you know, it's hate that, you know, they're

0:17:51saying at 7am the review drops. Well, that was your experience with the product at the

0:17:55time that the review dropped. It's I think it's totally fair. And, and I'm with you that

0:17:59you can't you can mention that a software update has been promised. But you can't review

0:18:03it as though the software update is out. And who knows if it solves all the problems you

0:18:08don't know, you know, it's right.

0:18:10- And I think some people also took back where I said,

0:18:15like, this was not, I had a line about how a phone

0:18:20is a lifeline and it does not do what,

0:18:24that many people may rely on on this connection

0:18:26and it does not reliably fit that part,

0:18:30it does not reliably fit that promise or fill that promise.

0:18:35And I still stand by that.

0:18:39There were three times specifically

0:18:42when I had the second version that they had sent me

0:18:45where I did lose connectivity.

0:18:46Some people have asked me, oh, well could it have been

0:18:48because you were on T-Mobile

0:18:49and in that area didn't have service?

0:18:52One time I did not have the phone and I didn't check it.

0:18:55So that could have been one of the reasons.

0:18:57But across the board all the other times,

0:19:00I'm very positive that I do get T-Mobile

0:19:03or AT&T service in those locations.

0:19:07- Yeah, if it's not as reliable at holding a signal

0:19:09as a phone, that's useful information, right?

0:19:12I mean, 'cause I remember,

0:19:14I was not a big phone guy pre-iPhone.

0:19:16I mean, I had one, but it was just literally a dumb phone.

0:19:19But I remember in the early days of having a cell phone,

0:19:24probably, I think I probably got my first cell phone

0:19:26around 2000 or so,

0:19:28and it didn't even look like a candy bar phone.

0:19:31It was this thing from Verizon

0:19:33that had an actual antenna you'd pull out.

0:19:35(laughing)

0:19:37- Was it like a skinny one?

0:19:38- Yeah, it was skinny, it was real skinny,

0:19:41almost like a even longer Apple TV remote control.

0:19:46It's like a long skinny thing.

0:19:48- Yeah, I had a Motorola phone like that

0:19:49that had something like that.

0:19:51- And Amy and I got 'em just,

0:19:53I think literally just so we could talk to each other

0:19:55while, if we needed to, in the car.

0:19:57And I remember that there were times

0:20:00you would just randomly not have a signal.

0:20:04It was cool to have the phone and you'd be like,

0:20:06'cause if you never had a cell phone before,

0:20:08it was like amazing futuristic technology.

0:20:11I'm talking on the phone and I'm not connected to anything.

0:20:14And it's like if I have to walk three blocks

0:20:16to get a signal again, well, that's the price you pay.

0:20:19But in today's world, I feel like I just have

0:20:24100% rock solid certainty that as long as my phone

0:20:27has a decent battery charge, if somebody calls me,

0:20:31it's gonna come through.

0:20:32- Get a ring, yeah.

0:20:33- Right. - Yeah.

0:20:34And if the watch doesn't work like that, that matters.

0:20:37- Yeah, no, absolutely.

0:20:39And I, look, I do believe that the cellular to Wi-Fi issue

0:20:44that will be fixed in a future update

0:20:48will solve some of the situations I had.

0:20:51I do also believe that there was something going on

0:20:54with my unit in terms of how it was connecting

0:20:57with the number sync with the iPhone.

0:21:00I believe that was another issue I encountered.

0:21:03And look overall I I can't explain why I had some of these drop connections

0:21:10I can just explain that I had them and I still have the same unit and I've still seen the same situation

0:21:14So that that's it. So the main issue that came out was that there was an issue with

0:21:21with public Wi-Fi like let's say like a Starbucks Wi-Fi and if you had previously joined this like a public Wi-Fi

0:21:29Network and it was therefore in like your I I don't know if it goes through iCloud or not

0:21:34but your personal circle of trusted Wi-Fi networks, then you could go out without your iPhone and

0:21:40Your if you're near that network you the phone or not the phone to watch

0:21:45I mean the watch would say hey, I know that network, you know

0:21:50John's already signed, you know sign, you know agreed to join this one and I'll get on this network

0:21:56But it was you know, it's it's one of those networks

0:21:58I call them captive networks where like in a hotel where like you have to it is free

0:22:03But you have to like click through sign in is you know, see either sign in or agree to terms or something

0:22:07Well, the watch can't do that right the watch has no interface for going through one of those captive networks

0:22:13So the watch is thinking I'm on and and if you've ever think if you think about it like when you're on like a laptop

0:22:18Or something when you get on one of those networks the Wi-Fi up in your menu bar says you're on Wi-Fi

0:22:24But you can't do anything until you like go to your web browser and you know

0:22:28Go to a web page and go through the thing. So the watch is thinking okay

0:22:32I've got a Wi-Fi connection, but it actually isn't going anywhere because it hasn't gone through the captive thing and therefore nothing works

0:22:39You're not getting notifications. You can't place phone calls. So that's a real issue

0:22:42But it sounds to me like you ran into issues that that might have been one of them

0:22:48But it seems to me like you ran into issues that can't be explained by that

0:22:52Right. I mean, possibly one or two times I can think about like, so you know, I can think back to where I have was in certain situations. One time where I noticed the dropout was actually when I went jet skiing in the Hudson for the video. And also just because it's really fun to go jet skiing right in front of the Statue of Liberty. I suggest everyone do it and no, I don't have some sort of foreign illness because of the water.

0:23:22but it is probably very dirty. It is dirty water. So I just I

0:23:27looked down at the end, I was able to successfully make a call

0:23:30from right, you know, I was in the middle of the end, you can

0:23:32see this in the video I made it, I made a call to my dad, it went

0:23:35through to voicemail. I was right in front of the Statue of

0:23:38Liberty. But when we were coming back and going back to the dock,

0:23:41I looked down and I had no connection. And I had no

0:23:45connection for about, I don't know, two minutes till I

0:23:48toggled on and off the cellular and then the cellular connection

0:23:51came back. Could there have been a Wi Fi network on somebody's

0:23:56boat? I don't know with those sitch with the

0:23:59I don't think I don't think so. No, and here's why I don't think

0:24:03so is that on that day one, when everybody on the internet was in

0:24:07a panic of Oh my god, what the hell is going on here? The fear

0:24:11was based on it was just such a hectic day trying to get zero in

0:24:17on exactly what was wrong. But the fear was was that the watch

0:24:20was joining these networks, even if you'd never joined them before. And as best I can

0:24:24tell, and according to Apple, people I've spoken to at Apple, that's not happening.

0:24:28That wasn't happening. It was only networks that you've joined before. But the problem

0:24:32is there's a lot of those networks like like here in Philadelphia, there's there's an like

0:24:38citywide Xfinity Wi Fi. Right. And so that's something it's not just like one coffee shop

0:24:46that has a network that you might be on like if I don't know

0:24:49if like if that's one of the networks that would cause this

0:24:51but you could be anywhere in Philadelphia. I mean, like, so

0:24:54it's very funny that you said that because that could that is

0:24:57what I think might have happened to me in Jersey City. And if

0:25:01that is in fact, the the cause I do have that Xfinity. It's Yeah,

0:25:06the same thing Xfinity Wi Fi. And that does sign in, I believe

0:25:11on both my phone on my phone and my laptop. But this was on a

0:25:16is on a loaner iPhone, which I'd never had been on that network

0:25:21before. Right. So that, that gives me another pause on that.

0:25:26I and funny part, like part of the backlash of this. And like,

0:25:31again, I think you got a lot of you know, I'm sure you like you

0:25:34just said before that you've gotten a lot of you got a lot of

0:25:36feedback from people if you're being unfair to Apple, which I

0:25:40don't see, I really don't. But you know, it's it's not your job

0:25:43to bend over backwards to give it a good review, you're

0:25:45supposed to give it an accurate fair review. Right. But then I

0:25:48got the backlash of hey, hey, groups, how come? You didn't

0:25:55mention all the connectivity issues with it? How come review

0:25:58says you didn't have the problem? Right? I didn't have a

0:26:00problem. Right. Yeah. And that like, it when I was reviewing

0:26:06it, it was funny, I actually was sort of, I have bad luck with

0:26:10some products. So this would be the third product. And you know,

0:26:16look, I have to say it's a very stressful situation, right?

0:26:19You're you're reviewing a product, you'd want it to work

0:26:21as promised, you want to be able to focus on how people should

0:26:24use this thing. And you're sort of derailed with this thing just

0:26:27doesn't work properly. And I had a similar situation with the

0:26:32Surface Book. I reviewed the Surface Book what two years ago,

0:26:37yeah, two years ago this October, and I can't because I

0:26:39because always remember the life situation because you don't

0:26:42sleep through these processes. You're just like, keep, you

0:26:45know, you keep going back to the company and tell them what

0:26:47happened and then try to figure out how to best position that

0:26:49through for readers. And so I had this problem with the

0:26:52Surface Book where the Surface Book just kept restarting. And

0:26:56the company kept telling me, Microsoft kept telling me, No,

0:26:58no, we've never seen this before. We've never seen this

0:27:00before. And then they sent me another unit and I would have it

0:27:03again. And oh, that's so weird that this happened to you. It

0:27:06is that we've never seen this before.

0:27:08And I did what I did and I reported that story

0:27:12and I said, I can't recommend this thing.

0:27:13And then it turned out that lots of people

0:27:14had the Surface Book problem.

0:27:16And surprisingly, Microsoft had seen this before.

0:27:18And we did learn later down the line

0:27:22that there were issues with the Intel chip

0:27:23and the chip set that they were using

0:27:25and graphics and all of that kind of situation.

0:27:27And in this case, look, I'm very happy to hear

0:27:31that most people are not experiencing this problem.

0:27:35It seems like the Wi-Fi thing is something

0:27:39Apple's gonna fix, and I'm happy to hear.

0:27:41What I have heard from some readers

0:27:42is that they've had a lot of hard time

0:27:44initiating the service,

0:27:46whether that be through AT&T or T-Mobile.

0:27:48People have just said, like,

0:27:49"I don't have service on this watch.

0:27:50"What's wrong with it?"

0:27:51And then they say they went back to the carrier,

0:27:53and then they get it sorted out with Apple and the carrier.

0:27:56- I had an issue with that with my review,

0:27:59and I felt uncomfortable about that,

0:28:01because our review units for the watch

0:28:05were when Apple handed them to us in our briefing

0:28:09where they give you the review and you sign the NDA

0:28:12and everything, was already paired

0:28:14with the review unit iPhone 8

0:28:16using an Apple-provided AT&T SIM card.

0:28:21And the part that made me uncomfortable about that

0:28:23is that to me, how do you get this set up in the first place

0:28:27is a huge part of the equation.

0:28:30And it's true that you only do it once.

0:28:33But to me, it's one of those things that makes Apple products

0:28:37Apple products, when they're truly feel like a good Apple

0:28:41product, is that even though you only do--

0:28:44- It's a seamless setup.

0:28:45- Right, and even with the packaging, even with the

0:28:48exorbitant expense that they put in their product packaging,

0:28:50I think it goes back to Steve Jobs that sure,

0:28:53you only open the thing once, but you also only get to make

0:28:56a first impression one time.

0:28:57And if the first impression is bad, you're starting off

0:29:00on the wrong foot.

0:29:01But the fact that I didn't get to review that process

0:29:03made me a little uncomfortable,

0:29:04that it was already set up and working.

0:29:06But it does seem like people are having problems,

0:29:08but it also seems to me,

0:29:10like I had Apple show me the process in the briefing,

0:29:13just to, you know, where do you go?

0:29:15Do you have to go to AT&T's website?

0:29:16Do you have to go to Verizon's website?

0:29:18No, you do it all through the app on your phone,

0:29:20and it's, you know, boom, boom, boom,

0:29:22and then it should just work.

0:29:23And it's like, well, that seems pretty good.

0:29:25But I wish that I could have done it myself.

0:29:27- Yeah, yeah.

0:29:28I mean, I wish I could have tested with my main phone number.

0:29:31that's always a big, I try to test every phone

0:29:34that I test with my SIM card because there's really,

0:29:38I mean, with iMessage it's easier

0:29:40because you get your text messages

0:29:42or you get it through your iMessage account,

0:29:44but phone calls and texts,

0:29:46you don't get the same amount of that

0:29:48if you've got a spare number or a loner number.

0:29:51But yeah, no, I mean, look,

0:29:53that was the experience I have other than the LTE issues.

0:29:56Look, I loved being untethered from the phone

0:29:59the for the certain little experiences I had with it. I

0:30:03think battery life. There is only so far you can go with it.

0:30:07But that's sort of how Apple has said, people will use this thing

0:30:11or they want people to use this thing. And other than that, I

0:30:15mean, it's a good Apple Watch.

0:30:16You've I mean, it and I think it makes a difference a

0:30:22significant difference. And I think it has with all three

0:30:24generations of Apple Watch, whether you're wearing the 42

0:30:27millimeter or the 38. I mean, and it's just common sense. It's like, even, even the 42

0:30:32millimeter Apple Watch is actually pretty small compared to a lot of other smartwatches.

0:30:37And especially now that it has cellular networking, it's like, wow, that's really remarkably small

0:30:42for a cellular networking device. And the 38 millimeter Apple Watch is significantly

0:30:47smaller than the 42 millimeter one. So there's, it has to be I mean, it's it's not even like

0:30:52a wow that sucks it's like well of course the battery life it can't be as

0:30:56good and I remember that you had some problems with the first generation one

0:30:59with with like doing workouts and then coming out of a workout and the battery

0:31:05life was halved yeah because I mean and in any of those cases when you're doing

0:31:09something that's like you're solely relying on the watch for a certain point

0:31:14you're either tapping for running your if you're running your gut you're

0:31:18tapping the GPS before there was GPS you were being and still is

0:31:22and Apple's done a lot of work to get the battery life down

0:31:24when when the heart rate monitors being tapped. And

0:31:26actually it is pretty remarkable now with the real time heart

0:31:30rate tracking how they've kind of kept the the status quo on

0:31:34the battery life. Without the LT on this thing, I really can go

0:31:39now about a day a day and a half. I forgot to charge it I

0:31:42think yesterday or the night two nights ago and so I had to

0:31:47I charge it when I like probably midday

0:31:49through my workday the next day.

0:31:51Which is, look, that's far better than where we had started.

0:31:56But I do look forward to the series.

0:32:01I mean, I guess, what do you think,

0:32:03when they have a new version of this,

0:32:04they're gonna stop with the series?

0:32:05Like would they redesign it fully?

0:32:07Will it be Apple Watch?

0:32:09- No, I think they like the series thing.

0:32:10I don't know. - The series thing?

0:32:11- Yeah, somehow it works for a watch.

0:32:16I think they'll stick with it.

0:32:18No, I'm glad to hear that you can get through,

0:32:20like a, I forgot to charge overnight,

0:32:22and it's at least, it's still not dead the next morning,

0:32:24so you have a chance.

0:32:25- Right. - That's actually pretty good.

0:32:26- And that was, I didn't work out that day,

0:32:28you know, I didn't like use the GPS

0:32:29or anything along those lines.

0:32:30And I also find when I'm working out more,

0:32:32I keep the screen on more, 'cause I'm looking down at it.

0:32:34- Right.

0:32:35- So, yeah, I fully recommend the non-LTE version.

0:32:41I'm looking forward to getting this update,

0:32:46so I can recommend the LT version.

0:32:47And again, I know that many reviewers

0:32:52have not had the problem,

0:32:52I know many customers have not had the problem,

0:32:54but I've had the problem.

0:32:56That's all I can speak to.

0:32:57I'm probably just bad luck.

0:33:01- I don't know, I've had really good luck with it.

0:33:05Last night we went out to eat

0:33:06at a really, really noisy restaurant,

0:33:07like so noisy that me and Amy and Jonas actually,

0:33:11when we first got seated, we were like,

0:33:13"Why do we come here?

0:33:14"This is too noisy."

0:33:15like that noisy.

0:33:16And I thought, well, this will be a good test of the watch.

0:33:18And I brought my personal phone,

0:33:20but wearing my, still wearing my review unit watch,

0:33:24but I'd left the phone that it's paired with at home.

0:33:26So it was on cellular. - Right.

0:33:29- And I dictated a text to Jonas right there on the watch.

0:33:33And Siri was fast.

0:33:35It got the entire sentence completely accurate.

0:33:38And it just worked in a very noisy restaurant.

0:33:40So I have to say, I've been-- - No, totally.

0:33:42- I've been really pleased with it.

0:33:43- I noticed that too.

0:33:44- I noticed that too and I had that in my review.

0:33:46I mean, when this thing was working, Siri was really fast.

0:33:49The text on, you know, just voice to text for texting

0:33:53was super fast 'cause I did really try and live with it

0:33:55alone for the day.

0:33:57And the best way to input text on this thing

0:34:01is with your voice.

0:34:01It's just hands down.

0:34:03I mean, the little sketch thing is just terrible.

0:34:07- You know, Jonas is really good at that though.

0:34:10He loves the little thing where he writes his responses

0:34:13and he's good at it.

0:34:14I don't know if it's because his fingers are still small or what, but...

0:34:17I think it is that.

0:34:18And also, being able to hit the little...

0:34:21If you need to delete, the delete button, like go back, is so small.

0:34:27It is so small.

0:34:29I'm looking at it right now.

0:34:30I'll tell you what.

0:34:33The other thing, before we leave the watch reviews, is that you...

0:34:35So you took a jet ski ride out on the Hudson.

0:34:40Nicole McGowan, who reviews these things for BuzzFeed.

0:34:43She swam like 1000 meters out into the San Francisco Bay and then placed a phone call

0:34:49out there.

0:34:51YouTube made me feel so lazy, like where my testing of the cellular was, I went to get

0:34:55coffee.

0:34:56I mean, look, that is a little bit more practical.

0:35:03I volunteered to walk to pick up from school.

0:35:07So that tagline, the marketing tagline I got this in the email yesterday from Apple, you

0:35:13telling you this is on sale, is make a call

0:35:15from your surfboard.

0:35:16So, and Lauren Goode actually did, she's a surfer.

0:35:21She did do that, which I was very impressed with.

0:35:24I mean, but yeah, you wanna take these things to,

0:35:28you wanna, I wanna put Apple's marketing claims to the test.

0:35:31And that was one of the reasons I wanted to live

0:35:34with the thing for the day was when I was sitting

0:35:36in the keynote, is it Jeff Williams?

0:35:39Is it Jeff who? - Yep, yep.

0:35:41he said, and that's how I started my video, you can live

0:35:45with just this watch and no phone. And he didn't mean it

0:35:48like forever. But that's what I heard, like in this in the

0:35:51contents of a sentence. So that's why I wanted to live the

0:35:54whole day with just the watch. And yeah, I also went on that

0:35:59trapeze, which was just the craziest thing I've ever done

0:36:02for work. Did you make it to the end of the video? Did anyone

0:36:06make it to the end of the video. For some reason, I was

0:36:11thinking, trying to think of ways, how will I get my heart

0:36:14rate up without really moving? You know, because that's one of

0:36:17the things that like, I was like, I'm really impressed by

0:36:20that. And actually, as someone who has like, some anxiety

0:36:22disorders, I was like, that kind of spoke to me during the

0:36:25presentation where they said, you know, people have found that

0:36:28when they look down at their watch, and they're, they're,

0:36:30they're feeling anxious, and their heart rate is up, it's

0:36:32comforting to know that it that it is that's that is the real

0:36:35biological function that's happening or the real affect.

0:36:39And so I was like, how can I make my heart rate go up

0:36:42but I won't be moving?

0:36:44And I was like, oh, heights, I'm so scared of heights.

0:36:48And so I forget who might have been sitting with me

0:36:50or I just was like, what about a trapeze?

0:36:53And then I just did that.

0:36:55But it didn't work because I had actually

0:36:57climbed up the ladder, which if the watch senses motion,

0:37:01it doesn't think that there's anything.

0:37:03but my heart rate did hit 157 standing on that thing.

0:37:06- It makes the assumption that you're,

0:37:08and now that it has the barometric thing,

0:37:11so it can tell that you're going up.

0:37:13- Right.

0:37:14- 'Cause like--

0:37:15- Yeah, the altimeter.

0:37:16- Yeah, it just assumes that you're going up a set of stairs

0:37:19or a ladder with a heavy backpack on or something,

0:37:21and that's why your heart rate is accelerating.

0:37:23But anyway, you have a dedication to your craft

0:37:25that I salute because I also--

0:37:28- I mean, it made for a great video,

0:37:29but I met, and people were like,

0:37:31"Oh, wow, you cut in that sound effect?"

0:37:32I'm like, no, that was me.

0:37:33(screams)

0:37:36The worst scream I've ever,

0:37:41my wife is like, I've never heard anything like that

0:37:43come out of you.

0:37:44I was like, yeah.

0:37:45- I have a severe height.

0:37:47It's not like, you know, I don't know.

0:37:51It doesn't really affect me very often,

0:37:53but I don't like getting close to an edge.

0:37:55And if I watch somebody doing something like that,

0:37:58my palms start sweating.

0:38:01There's one of the Mission Impossible movies opens with Tom Cruise rock climbing and it's

0:38:08uh... I think it's the one that John Woo directed, I forget which one, but it's like he's free

0:38:12climbing and he has no safety harness on. Of course it's a freaking movie, it's a fictional

0:38:16movie and I know that he's not going to, you know, the Mission Impossible movie is not

0:38:20going to open with Tom Cruise plummeting to his death, but when I watch it my palms get

0:38:24It's so wet and and it amuses Jonas to no end. Like I'm like here feel and it's it's it feels like I dip my hands in water

0:38:32Can't I just you know, there's a similar scene

0:38:36And I feel the same but it's ace Ventura

0:38:39To when nature calls and he's like on to the cliffhanger. He's like he's like it's like a cliffhanger scene

0:38:45No, the Mission Impossible one seemed to go back to it because there's another one reason in that skyscraper in Dubai

0:38:50and he's hanging on the outside of the building and again my palms just I could just cut my hands together and get like a

0:38:57Cup of sweat. I can't help it. It's involuntary

0:39:00But it also means that I'm now googling this ace Ventura

0:39:04I was ever hanging like that by my hands. I would have no chance of holding on because

0:39:10Hands would immediately just slick up and I would just

0:39:14Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I

0:39:20I probably wouldn't have like jumped off that trapeze or whatever they say glide off of it, but I just jumped

0:39:26If I hadn't been doing it for like if there hadn't been two cameras on me

0:39:31I was like, it will be mortifying if I if people at work think I didn't actually do this

0:39:35So you make these videos with a rig you got like a helmet rig sort of or is it more of is it a helmet?

0:39:41or just like a headband that mounts a

0:39:43camera to your like forehead so for the for the for the jet ski and the

0:39:49trapeze, it was a GoPro, you know, just a headband thing, the

0:39:54head mount thing. And then for the other scenes, because I do

0:39:57like to shoot with a nicer camera. We have a nice Sony that

0:40:01we put on a on a hockey helmet. Yeah. I mean, and I love it. So

0:40:08I, you know, I did this for my first time with the first Apple

0:40:11Watch video, and now I've sort of just made it into a series

0:40:13because it's actually one, it's it's a really fun way of making

0:40:17videos and sort of giving people a real first person perspective

0:40:21of how you how you'd use these things in everyday life. Now,

0:40:25granted, I realize that in everyday life, you don't go jet

0:40:28skiing in the Hudson or trapeze. But so I just like it as like,

0:40:33as a way to show that and then also, like, it gives me the

0:40:36ability to sort of voice, like these normal everyday

0:40:39occurrences or how you would use it versus sort of just talk to

0:40:42the camera or talk to the viewer and say, this is a watch. And

0:40:45and this is what I thought of it here,

0:40:47and this is what I thought of it here.

0:40:50So yeah, I've always just, I've now loved this dial,

0:40:52and it seems to be something people like.

0:40:55A lot of people complain about my voice in it,

0:40:57but I don't know, this is my voice.

0:40:59- I like it.

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0:43:49- Isn't it one more thing you also need to charge though?

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0:44:11- Does it eat into the size of the suitcase?

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0:44:45It just rolls like a dream, which is a big deal for me,

0:44:49'cause I used to have one that squeaked

0:44:52as I went down the airport.

0:44:53So it was a huge upgrade for me

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0:45:18It's a great product.

0:45:19I really, I haven't left the house without it in a year.

0:45:23- Do you have these stickers?

0:45:26- I don't think I have any stickers.

0:45:27or if I do, I don't know what I did with them.

0:45:30- That's cool, you can put stickers on the bag.

0:45:32- There you go. - So you know

0:45:33that it's yours.

0:45:34- Do you ever do the thing-- - You had me at stickers.

0:45:37- Yeah.

0:45:37Do you ever pick an ugly suitcase

0:45:41for like the one that you check in?

0:45:43- Yeah, yeah, that suitcase is never attractive for me.

0:45:47- No, because-- - Well, it's like

0:45:48really beaten up.

0:45:49- Well, the theory is, my theory, our theory is,

0:45:53A, they get beaten up anyway,

0:45:54but B, if you get like a nice black one,

0:45:57everybody has a nice black suitcase.

0:45:58And then it's like you're sitting there at the thing

0:46:00looking for your luggage,

0:46:01and every other suitcase looks like your suitcase.

0:46:04So we picked, it's not from Away, it's some other,

0:46:09just a dumb suitcase, not a smart suitcase,

0:46:11but we picked like this garish purple color.

0:46:14And every time we travel,

0:46:17somebody else has the exact same suitcase.

0:46:18It's uncanny, because they're thinking the same thing.

0:46:21- Exactly, but I'm designing you one right now

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0:46:32- Anything else on Apple Watch?

0:46:33- I always love your sponsors.

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0:47:07- You know what, I--

0:47:08- This actually looks very nice.

0:47:09- I have, before we get onto more recent tech stuff,

0:47:12let me just take, we'll take like a half time,

0:47:16and I'm gonna do some follow up here,

0:47:17clear up some issues from previous episodes of the show.

0:47:20Number one, I've been talking about Numan-O cookies.

0:47:24You ever had a Numan-O cookie?

0:47:25- No.

0:47:27Have I?

0:47:28I don't know.

0:47:29- Numan-Os are the Paul Newman Snack Food Company's version

0:47:32of Oreos, and they're the best Oreo type cookies

0:47:35you're ever gonna have.

0:47:36Because the, and it just came up a couple episodes ago.

0:47:41I forget if it was with Jason Sneller, who, but,

0:47:44Oreo-like cookies get a bad rap because all the fake Oreo cookies, to me, I've always

0:47:54tasted terrible in life.

0:47:55Never as good as a real Oreo.

0:47:57And I think, and this has turned into a sensation on my Twitter feed with people going out and

0:48:01buying Numinos.

0:48:03And it's unbelievable.

0:48:05I stand by the fact that the Numinos is a superior cookie to an Oreo.

0:48:09And you just read the ingredients, you can see it.

0:48:11It's like real sugar, not the partially hydrogenized corn oil or whatever the other crap is.

0:48:17Real chocolate wafers actually taste like chocolate and the cream filling in the middle

0:48:22actually tastes like cream instead of just pure sugar into a paste.

0:48:28It's overwhelming to me how many people out there, listeners of the show, are going out

0:48:32buying the Numinos.

0:48:34It's unbelievable.

0:48:35It's like something like, I would say at least 95% of the feedback, at least 19 out of every

0:48:40responses is, "Wow, you're right. These are way better than Oreos." And of course, you're

0:48:44never going to get 100%. But I didn't even think it would be that high. I really didn't.

0:48:49So anyway, my thanks to everybody.

0:48:50I gotta buy them now.

0:48:51Yeah, you gotta get Numinos. Just get the regular ones.

0:48:54Which, like, the regular ones? I'm looking on the website now. You don't suggest the

0:48:58ginger ones?

0:48:59Well, I like the ginger ones, but you gotta like ginger.

0:49:02What about Hinto Mint?

0:49:04I like those too. I do. But it's the standard Numinos.

0:49:07Peanut butter Numinos.

0:49:08Oh, and I will say this my son and I conducted a test and here's the one it this is part of the follow-up is

0:49:13A lot of people said hey, what about Trader Joe's Joe Joe's now Trader Joe's has a yeah

0:49:20They're in-house brand and there were some people who speculated that maybe Trader Joe's Joe Joe's were just rebranded new minnows

0:49:26I can see that. Nope. We did a blind taste test here in the house conducted by my wife

0:49:33she

0:49:35And my she didn't want to eat him but so my son and I both blind test tested

0:49:39Numenos side by side with Jojo's and both a clearly not the same cookie and B

0:49:45Both of us agreed that the Numeno is a superior cookie

0:49:48I I'm more concerned about these other options from Newman's cookies. Have you seen these orange chocolate chip cookies?

0:49:54No, I have not I although I'd have it orange

0:49:57Mmm, I don't know about that. I love Newman's I love Newman's own I

0:50:03every night I drink Newman's own lemonade. Oh, that's good. Sometimes

0:50:08the half a nap but I have the lemonade every night. Yeah, you

0:50:10got to get the Newman usually with vodka.

0:50:12Well, I mean,

0:50:16not an animal.

0:50:18Exactly.

0:50:20Got to get the Newman's just join. I'm telling you, I'm going

0:50:24to there's no way I'm not going to get the Newman knows now I'm

0:50:26getting them. I will say just goes back to the the free

0:50:30shipping, free overnight shipping with the Eros. I believe people outside the United

0:50:35States might have a hard time getting their hands on Numinos. There were some people in

0:50:39Europe who tweeted some pictures where when they tried to order them from Amazon, they

0:50:42were like $30 a package. They're not worth $30 a package. If you can't get them at a

0:50:49reasonable package of cookies price, you're not missing out that much. Here's one that

0:50:55you're going to like this. So a couple episodes ago with Jason Snell, I was talking about

0:51:01a very clever cable that I bought from Belkin. Now it was expensive because I got it like

0:51:06an idiot. I bought it at the Apple store. So it was like $29. But it's like a nice long

0:51:10…

0:51:11Are we going to be talking about dongles? I feel like every time I come on this podcast,

0:51:14we talk about dongles.

0:51:15It is sort of a dongle. Let me describe this cable to you.

0:51:20All right, I'm excited. I'm starting to cut you off.

0:51:22tell me if it's a dongle. It's a USB a on one end. So it's just like the standard old school USB

0:51:27thing. And on the other end, it's micro micro USB, but with a little lightning

0:51:33condom that is connected by a little Oh, I know it. Right. And so I know this.

0:51:40And it's it's a game changer for me because I still I hate micro USB. It's a three way,

0:51:47right? Well, no, no, it's two way. But all these people, a whole bunch of readers sent

0:51:52me I will put this link in the show notes. I've got it right here. But at the end of

0:51:55the cable, there's a three way. No, it's only two. The one I was talking about is only lightning.

0:52:00But the new one from mono price, this is the one I want to talk about. I'm going to put

0:52:03this link in the show notes. It's a three way cable from mono price. Now remember, mono

0:52:07price, we've talked about them before, like they make great cable. What was so special

0:52:10about yours? Well, it was just saved me one cable. So instead of I instead of taking having

0:52:16a micro USB cable in my backpack just for charging things like external just had one

0:52:22way out.

0:52:23See, I got you.

0:52:24I got you.

0:52:25Right.

0:52:26But don't buy that to anybody.

0:52:27Anybody went out and bought that on my recommendation.

0:52:28I apologize because what you really want is the new three way cable from Monoprice, which

0:52:31is one cable that does micro USB, USB C and lightning all on one cable.

0:52:37And so all you never have to worry if you have this cable, you could charge anything

0:52:42and everything.

0:52:43charge your Wii or not Wii what's it called the the new Nintendo thing the

0:52:47Nintendo switch you could charge an external battery pack that takes micro

0:52:51USB and then there's a little lightning one you pop on and and there it looks a

0:52:54little ugly almost like a like a trident because it's got two of these little

0:52:59caps to switch you know tip you know it but it's a fantastic cable and at mono

0:53:05price it's super cheap I forget what it is it's like here I'm gonna write an I'm

0:53:09gonna write another story I haven't been writing much lately but I I'm gonna

0:53:12to write another story about charging $9.99. You've now

0:53:17convinced me this this cable, this is what I was picturing

0:53:19because I got almost the same exact pitch from a company this

0:53:23morning as this, it's but it's a different company that makes

0:53:28this. It's not the mono price one, but it's almost it's it

0:53:33actually looks like a little bit like a higher quality fabric

0:53:36cable. You know, they have like the the fabric cords. That's

0:53:42what that's what we talked about the last time to the anchor one

0:53:44has the fabric on it.

0:53:46No, they make a cable onker makes a cable. Is it anchor or

0:53:50anchor?

0:53:50I don't know. I always say anchor now.

0:53:53Really, I'd go with anchor. But with my with my history of

0:53:57pronunciation, I have no idea. You know, I had the same

0:54:00conversation a number of months back, I was interviewed by a

0:54:04reporter at the verge who was doing a story on anchor. And

0:54:06because I basically become known as an anchor fangirl, I they

0:54:09interviewed me about it. And I kept saying anchor I think.

0:54:14Well, it's funny, you would bring them up because my next

0:54:17bit of follow up is, is on the sponsor. No, they are not a

0:54:21sponsor, but they have a 31. Actually, actually, let me let

0:54:25me hold off on the on the anchor thing. But I'll go with this.

0:54:27There's a panzerina I last week, we're talking about Apple's new

0:54:30sports straps that have like a velcro like enclosure or clasp

0:54:34or something like that. And I speculated idly, hey, can you

0:54:38just call that stuff velcro or is that a trademark or what's the deal and turns

0:54:43out I was exactly right it's exactly like Kleenex using Kleenex to describe

0:54:48facial tissue or Clorox to talk about bleach it is a trademark and I got an

0:54:53email from a reader or listener I should say that was very very interesting and

0:54:58he happens to know somebody who is a hook and they it's like they want you to

0:55:04call them hook and clasp. What they want you to call the generic version of Velcro is ridiculous.

0:55:11It's like hook and clasp or something like that. But he's an engineer who works on that

0:55:15stuff for the Velcro Corporation and apparently they did work with Apple on this band. It

0:55:20actually is like the most advanced hook and clasp material available in the world today.

0:55:27The thing that's neat about it is you can kind of tell just by looking at it that you

0:55:31You could use it for months and months and the hook part isn't going to get, which is

0:55:37the soft part, isn't going to get fuzzy the way that cheap versions of this will.

0:55:43But they don't want you to call it Velcro in this case because I guess Apple isn't licensing

0:55:49the Velcro trademark, even though they did work with the Velcro corporation to develop

0:55:54these bands.

0:55:56But anyway, the most funny thing, and here it is, I'm going to put it in the show notes.

0:56:00The Velcro company put out the most cringe-worthy YouTube video I have ever seen in my entire

0:56:07life.

0:56:08It is employees of the company.

0:56:12Don't play this now because it's going to wreck you.

0:56:14Play it when the show is over, Joanna.

0:56:18It is a song called "Don't Save Velcro."

0:56:20Oh no.

0:56:21No.

0:56:22This is called Hook and Loop.

0:56:23This one's a hook.

0:56:24This one's a loop.

0:56:25You call it Velcro but we're begging you.

0:56:26This is called Hook and Loop.

0:56:27This one's a hook.

0:56:28This one's a loop.

0:56:29Not only is it a cringe-worthy song, but I really do believe that they picked actual

0:56:42employees of the company because they can't carry a tune.

0:56:46Oh, I can't wait to watch it.

0:56:49So anyway, don't call it Velcro, but it is indeed advanced engineered hook and clasp

0:56:56whatever closure that Apple worked with in coordination with

0:57:01the Velcro company, even though they're not calling it Velcro.

0:57:04So anyway, that's a bit of follow up. And then

0:57:06I actually love that band. I had to cut that out of my video

0:57:08because it's getting too long. But I love that band.

0:57:10Which band? Oh, that strap. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:57:13That's strap. Sorry. Yeah. I love the bands. The Velcro. Don't

0:57:16say the Velcro.

0:57:17I thought you were saying I was like, What the hell are you

0:57:19talking about?

0:57:20Sorry. Yes, the watch band. Yeah.

0:57:24I could see how it's going to be a super popular watch band because it is,

0:57:28again, I don't think I'm a Velcro guy, but especially for workouts,

0:57:33it really is like, it's super lightweight, it's super soft.

0:57:36And I think it's going to be super durable.

0:57:38Yeah, I'd rather get that as the standard, which is I think the same price.

0:57:41If you, if you buy it on Apple's site, I think that if you just buy the,

0:57:46the, the series three or the series two with that band is the same starting

0:57:51price.

0:57:52Yeah. And I like a lot of people, uh,

0:57:54I find their standard sports strap, I think it's really fascinating.

0:57:59I've got some from the original Apple Watch and I've worn them over and over.

0:58:03I don't spend a lot of time with them, but I know some people who do.

0:58:06And it is amazing, their original sports strap, the rubbery one, it's incredibly durable.

0:58:11Like you would think maybe the hole that you poke it through would wear through or something

0:58:15like that.

0:58:16It's amazing.

0:58:17So my son Jonas has one.

0:58:18He has a red sports strap on his Apple Watch and he got an Apple Watch way back when it

0:58:22was a new thing. And I've looked at it in his sports strap. It's a little dirty. The

0:58:29red isn't quite, it doesn't look brand new, but it doesn't look gross. It just looks a

0:58:33little like something that an 11, 12, 13 year old kid has worn almost every day for a while.

0:58:39But the hole that he pokes it through is as good as the next as any other hole, like the

0:58:45ones that he's never used. So the durability on that is amazing. But I, like a lot of people,

0:58:49I find that it's a little sweaty. I find that my it's like my my wrist reacts to that rubber

0:58:54And I also don't find it intuitive to put on I'm sorry

0:58:58But like whenever I get my nails done and it's like I had to take my watch off and someone has to put this thing back

0:59:03On me no one knows how to put it on

0:59:05Once you know it you you you know, yeah, one two three on yeah

0:59:11That's why I like the the new non velcro, whatever it's called. Yeah

0:59:15Yeah, same price. I'm looking on the website. Yeah

0:59:18Yeah, I mean it could get dirty though. Yeah, it's your point. The other one's more durable

0:59:22It's like the velcro version of the Milanese loop with the magnetic thing, which is so so super easy to get on and off

0:59:29But unlike the magnetic one doesn't doesn't when you flex your wrist doesn't like get a little looser

0:59:35Yeah, no, it's a good fit. Yeah, I like that too. I didn't really write too much about it in my review either

0:59:41But it's it's really good. Yeah

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1:01:41Taking a lot of pictures of your son?

1:01:44- I am, I am.

1:01:46So I, well, I actually, this,

1:01:48'cause I was working so hard on the Series 3 review,

1:01:52I hadn't really been using the 8 Plus that much

1:01:55because I was using my other iPhone with the,

1:01:59that wasn't the one that was paired with my watch.

1:02:02So I started using the 8 Plus a lot

1:02:04to play with the studio lighting in his head.

1:02:07It's very funny.

1:02:08And then when he was born, I bought this Sony camera,

1:02:12which I'm obsessed with.

1:02:13It's the RX100.

1:02:15- Oh, that's a good camera.

1:02:17- Yeah, so I mean, most of the photos I've taken with him,

1:02:20I mean, I take a lot on my phone,

1:02:21but most I've taken on this camera,

1:02:23which I just like, it's just great

1:02:25to not have a phone with you sometimes.

1:02:27- So it's funny.

1:02:30So Jonas was born in 2004, and in 2004,

1:02:32my nice camera was still, it was a Canon SLR

1:02:36shooting 35 millimeter film.

1:02:37- Oh really? - Yeah.

1:02:39- Oh yeah, I guess so.

1:02:41- And so what I used to do is shoot rolls of film,

1:02:46and then when I got them developed,

1:02:48I would have the photo place that got the prints made,

1:02:51put them on a CD.

1:02:53But they're like, in hindsight, I mean, they're not bad.

1:02:56They're good photos because it was a great camera,

1:02:57and almost all shot with a 50 millimeter prime lens.

1:03:00And so in a certain sense, they're really nice.

1:03:03But the scans that they gave me are so ridiculously low res,

1:03:07like megapixel-wise, it's criminal.

1:03:09They're like, I don't know, like 1024 by 768

1:03:12or something like that, I don't know.

1:03:14So there's a, you know, in times of like,

1:03:18what kind of pictures I could be taking now if he was born,

1:03:21it's, you know, it's kind of seems like,

1:03:24he's only 13, but seems like not that old,

1:03:27but it's like, wow, it's like photo-wise, it's ridiculous.

1:03:29And then the other thing is right before he was born,

1:03:31He was born in January, and for Christmas,

1:03:33my mother-in-law got me, or got us as a family gift.

1:03:37She said, "Whatever video camera you want me to get."

1:03:40So I picked it out, she got like a Panasonic Mini DV.

1:03:45- Right, right.

1:03:46- And I thought, this is great,

1:03:48it's shooting digital on Mini DV tapes.

1:03:51But it's standard definition,

1:03:53and the camera was just humongous.

1:03:56- Did you ever convert them?

1:03:57- I've convert, you know, here's the stupid thing.

1:03:59I converted half of them.

1:04:01And I thought, there was a place here in town

1:04:03and it was kind of expensive, but I thought,

1:04:06well, I'm only gonna do half because what if I don't like

1:04:08the results and I did half and the results were good,

1:04:13as good as I had hoped.

1:04:14And then I've just never gotten around to going back

1:04:16to get the second half done.

1:04:17Like I still have them, I should use this as a kick

1:04:19in the pants to go do it, but I have half of them digitized.

1:04:23And you know, it's not bad.

1:04:24It certainly blows away anything.

1:04:26There's like three minutes of Super 8 footage

1:04:29of me as a toddler.

1:04:31But it's crazy that in 13 years

1:04:36that we've gone from shooting standard definition

1:04:39on mini DV tapes, and you still see

1:04:41the tape-like staticky artifacts every once in a while,

1:04:45to now you can shoot 4K,

1:04:47- Totally. - 60 frames per second video

1:04:50on your phone with optical image stabilization.

1:04:53It is absolutely insane.

1:04:56- And let me tell you a funny thing

1:04:57that just like sort of thinking forward.

1:04:59So I've been trying to work on a story

1:05:02about augmented reality told in augmented reality.

1:05:05And so as part of my current job of kind of also exploring

1:05:10some new video opportunities for the video department

1:05:14here at the journal, I started talking to a company

1:05:16that shoots basically depth video 360.

1:05:20Well, there's a couple different terms for it,

1:05:24but basically it's called volumetric video,

1:05:27which is like an object that's, you get the 360 view,

1:05:31but it would have depth to it,

1:05:32and sort of what the new iPhone camera can do,

1:05:34but only, that can only do it, I guess, about 180 degrees,

1:05:38but they can do it 360 degrees.

1:05:41So there's this company in LA that does this,

1:05:43and they almost went to their set and everything and did it.

1:05:46Turns out the file size is just massive,

1:05:48and awesome technology that just isn't really ready

1:05:51to be put into apps right now.

1:05:54And the woman who was doing the PR said,

1:05:56bring your new son with you,

1:05:59because this is how his generation

1:06:03is gonna have videos and photos.

1:06:06And isn't it gonna be amazing that you'd have this now

1:06:09as a place marker in time or a marker in time?

1:06:13Which I actually thought was a really good PR pitch,

1:06:17but also made me think, is it actually,

1:06:19is this how my kids, and your kid now,

1:06:23you said he's 13?

1:06:24You said? - Yeah.

1:06:26So 13 years from now, is that the type of video and photos that our kids will be taking?

1:06:32Yeah, I don't know. It's hard for me to say.

1:06:34Yeah, there's no way to predict. I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, are we going to

1:06:39be 3D objects that sit on tables? I don't know.

1:06:42Yeah. It's like I knew that the 3D TV fad from five years ago was nonsense. I just knew

1:06:50immediate is like this is this is not this is not good this is just a the

1:06:54industry's trying to get people to buy TVs that they don't they shouldn't want

1:06:57like is there something in the future though that will make the like truth

1:07:04indeed like you know what I mean like the the 3d that you could do five years

1:07:07ago is a gimmick and required goggles and stuff but is there something with

1:07:10depth sensing that could blow away thinking of photos and videos as a as a

1:07:15as a flat image, I think that's probably true.

1:07:20I think that will be true.

1:07:22And there's gonna be something, you know what I mean?

1:07:23And it's the same way that I,

1:07:25the way that I was like, wow, this is great,

1:07:26I'm gonna get this great digital video of my son

1:07:30as a toddler, and thought, this'll be great,

1:07:35I'll be so happy for the rest of my life

1:07:36that I've got this stuff.

1:07:38And literally 10 years later, I'm like, this is a joke.

1:07:40And I feel like there's gonna be something

1:07:41that's gonna make the video and footage

1:07:43that you're shooting now look like a joke in 10 years?

1:07:47- Yeah, I mean, like, I think the AR stuff

1:07:50is actually really compelling,

1:07:52'cause when you do look at it,

1:07:53and one of the tests that I've done

1:07:55where I'm sort of this 3D object that sits on a table,

1:07:59it does feel so much more lifelike, right?

1:08:01Like I do, I'm like, oh God, that really is me,

1:08:03and you can actually see the proportions of my face,

1:08:06and I don't know, it's just,

1:08:10the technology's not there yet, obviously,

1:08:12but I do wonder, okay, 13 years from now,

1:08:14what is the way we're looking at photos

1:08:17or preserving memories?

1:08:19- Yeah, I don't know, but it's always changing.

1:08:22There's no doubt about it.

1:08:24Yeah, I wanted to talk about this.

1:08:26One last piece of follow-up,

1:08:29and I think I was with Panzorino last week,

1:08:31but we were talking about the fast charging on phones,

1:08:35and I think it's a real nickel and dime move

1:08:38that with 800 to $900 phones.

1:08:43And I'm guessing with the $1,000 plus iPhone 10 coming up

1:08:47that Apple still ships the little measly five watt charger.

1:08:50And they have this new fast charging feature

1:08:53on the new iPhones.

1:08:55And I did some timing on it.

1:08:57It does charge faster than my iPhone 7,

1:09:00but it actually doesn't charge that much faster

1:09:02because I guess there's a certain threshold

1:09:05where they can call it quote fast charging.

1:09:07But iPhones for years and years now have charged faster

1:09:11if you charge them in a more powerful wall unit.

1:09:14Specifically for me, always just use the iPad one.

1:09:17Just use the iPad one everywhere.

1:09:18And your phone will charge much faster

1:09:20than it does in the little cube,

1:09:23the one that looks like a pair of dice or a die

1:09:25from a board game.

1:09:26But to get the true fast charging, you need a,

1:09:30Apple's, if you stick with Apple stuff,

1:09:32you gotta buy separately Apple's 29 watt charger.

1:09:36It's the same charger that comes with a MacBook,

1:09:39you know, the MacBook with one port.

1:09:41And Apple charges like $300 for this charger.

1:09:45(laughs)

1:09:46- Basically.

1:09:47- It is a very expensive charger.

1:09:49It does charge faster.

1:09:51But our friends at Anker, or Anker if you prefer,

1:09:55they have a 30 watt charger that's only 26 bucks.

1:09:58I will put a link to the Amazon thing in here for it.

1:10:00Apple's 20, here, I actually have a note.

1:10:03Apple's is not $300, it's $49.

1:10:06But as far as I can tell, the Anker won for $26,

1:10:09which is not quite, if only they would cut the price

1:10:13by a dollar, I could say it's half the price.

1:10:15But $1 away from being half the price of Apple's

1:10:18and is every bit as good.

1:10:20- Wait, are you talking about the four port one?

1:10:22- No, no, no, it's just-- - 'Cause I have--

1:10:25- It's a $26 charger that is exactly like an Apple charger

1:10:29except black.

1:10:30Here, I'll quick send you a link.

1:10:32It is.

1:10:33And I know-- - 'Cause I recommend.

1:10:35- If you have something to recommend, I will put that.

1:10:38- Yeah, but this is USB-C, this is what you want.

1:10:40- Yes, yes, and that's the thing.

1:10:42To get the true fast charging, you need USB-C.

1:10:44That's the thing I'm talking about, if anybody's confused.

1:10:47To get the true fast charging and to charge your iPhone

1:10:49the fastest way you possibly can, it has to be USB-C

1:10:52'cause USB-C has a higher power capability

1:10:56than older versions of USB.

1:10:58So it's a brick you put in a wall,

1:11:00a little tiny thing about the size of an Apple charger.

1:11:02you put it in the wall, you connect a USB-C

1:11:04to a lightning cable to your--

1:11:06- This is, yeah, yeah.

1:11:08- Now the other thing that Apple--

1:11:09- The one I have, which I think, again,

1:11:12I mean, maybe I should just start a whole new website

1:11:15that's dedicated to about charging.

1:11:17Because I have so many,

1:11:19I just need to write this column again.

1:11:21And it's funny, anytime I have a briefing with Apple,

1:11:23I always wanna talk about why they don't make

1:11:25better chargers, and they obviously do not wanna

1:11:29talk about that with me, ever.

1:11:32I have the four port USB, regular USB-A,

1:11:36but we'll charge just as fast as a whatever, a 29 watt

1:11:41or is it, what is the iPad one, is it 29 watt?

1:11:45- Yes, 29, not 30.

1:11:48- Which is, they have four ports

1:11:51and then you can plug in your iPhone and your iPad

1:11:55or your like, I plug in,

1:11:57that's the single charger brick that I travel with

1:12:01I don't have my MacBook and I just try you can charge your iPad iPhone and Apple watch in the same thing

1:12:06Here's the other thing that it's really hard to get a

1:12:12USB-c to lightning cable like and I don't think I think yeah, I think I'm right that mono price still doesn't make one

1:12:21So you got to buy apples and it's a $25 cable for just a goddamn one meter charging cable

1:12:30So even you know the cheapest way you can get fast charging on your iPhone to my knowledge with recommended

1:12:35Certified cables is to get the anchor thing you plug in the wall that has a USB C

1:12:40Port on it and then you get Apple's USB C to lightning cable, which itself costs 25 years

1:12:45But then you can charge your phone faster

1:12:47But I'm doing a story on this I'm making some time yeah

1:12:52I I think it's getting all this crap in and I'm testing it all yeah, I've seen this this you the anchors

1:12:58thing I'm gonna buy one of these I'll put this in this I have four of these so

1:13:01it's I have I have I have one of these at my office I have one of these at home

1:13:05and I keep one of these in my bag it's a 40 watt four port Michelle has one of

1:13:09these be wall charger now this these are USB a ports though yeah that's the thing

1:13:14I don't find that the fast charging I my personal no this won't this won't happen

1:13:18with the fast I mean this will charge faster than the dice right and and I

1:13:22don't charge as fast as what as the USB C new fast charging spec but I don't

1:13:27think the difference between this, that USB-A charging with a bigger charger, with like

1:13:32a 10 watt or greater charger, I don't think the difference is that great to buy it. I

1:13:36really don't in my testing. It does charge a little faster, but not that much faster.

1:13:41Unless you frequently find yourself in a situation where you've literally got five minutes to

1:13:46get the most charge you possibly can, and a 5% difference in the battery charge you

1:13:51get in five or 10 minutes is actually going to make a difference, which I can't imagine

1:13:54that scenario, it's not worth it. Yeah, this is a great product to keep in a bag for traveling.

1:14:00It's it's a 40 watt charger.

1:14:01Marie-Claire The one thing I have complaints about, yeah,

1:14:05the one complaint I have about this is that the cords just get tangled. Because you but

1:14:10but if you buy the fabric cords from Monoprice or from Anker, you're you're in a better place.

1:14:15John Green That's another thing about the cord. Yeah,

1:14:18the the cords that are made out of like, like a braided fabric, would you call it? It's

1:14:25like braided. They don't get tangled. And they're cheaper than I know. I love those.

1:14:29Anyway, this is good stuff. I love talking about cords.

1:14:35I definitely going to my editor right after this and asking to write this cord charging story soon.

1:14:42I've been I was like, I think he wanted me to wait for air power. Is that what's called air power?

1:14:47Well, I think that's I know it's not yeah air power air power. I keep power. I keep wanting

1:14:53to call it air charge. But it's called air. I want to call it I power. But yeah, I mean,

1:15:00I think that's probably its own piece. And I'm still so does air power work with the current

1:15:07Apple Watch? I believe so. But that may it might only work with the Series three watch. I'm not

1:15:15sure. That's an interesting question. I don't know. I guess I should.

1:15:22And does it work with the current AirPods?

1:15:24No, you'll need a new case.

1:15:26Has anyone seen my AirPods?

1:15:27No, it definitely won't work with the current AirPods because it goes through the case and

1:15:33that's what they showed on stage is that there's going to be a new case for AirPods.

1:15:37For AirPods.

1:15:38And the AirPod case, the way you'll know if it's new or old is that the little light that tells you

1:15:43Is it green or orange to let you know the charging state is on the outside not the inside?

1:15:48Because you'd be able to rest it and Apple's plan is that when these new air pods come out

1:15:53They're going to sell that case separately for people who already own air pods

1:15:57I see probably for some smart ridiculous amount of money, but

1:16:02You know, it is what it is. I don't know where my air parts are right now. I

1:16:06Do know that they went through the wash again last week and they yet again came out perfectly fine

1:16:12Just a little bit cleaner now.

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1:18:10Oh, I somehow I knew we were gonna end up

1:18:14on cables and chargers.

1:18:15I think it's important and I think it's worth--

1:18:17- Is it me?

1:18:18I mean, you brought it up this time.

1:18:19- I know, but I, well, I think it's us.

1:18:21- I love it.

1:18:22I actually, so I think I said this in this interview

1:18:28with The Verge is that Anker has become so popular

1:18:32because Apple does such a terrible job

1:18:34of providing solutions for charging its gadgets.

1:18:37Not only 'cause of the price, which we all know,

1:18:40but they actually solve the problems

1:18:42that Apple doesn't solve with their billions of dollars

1:18:45for R&D and for face detection and all these things,

1:18:50which is they solve the problem of multiple USB ports,

1:18:54better quality product, not a cable that falls apart.

1:19:00and now some of this fast charging stuff.

1:19:02Yeah, I just don't get it.

1:19:06I don't, I don't, I don't know.

1:19:09- I'm obsessed with, I have blown so much money

1:19:13over the years on portable battery chargers.

1:19:17The basic idea is that for days like when I'm at,

1:19:20on vacation like at Disney World,

1:19:23it just kills your battery, just kills it

1:19:26because A, I'm on the phone all the time

1:19:28waiting in lines for rides or whatever. And when you're in a big crowd like that, it's

1:19:32just, you know, even if they, as they've made service, self-service better there, it just

1:19:38kills your battery. Days like when we have the events at Apple, it's like I'm on the

1:19:44phone doing Twitter during the keynote in a room full of a thousand people who are all

1:19:48doing the same thing. And yes, the Apple has a really nice Wi-Fi network that's set up

1:19:52for that and it works really well. But somehow on those days, my phone just takes a beating

1:19:57and I don't want it to go dead.

1:19:58So I love having just that small, I don't want a big one.

1:20:01I don't want like a giant charger for charging

1:20:04six phones at once or for charging an iPad.

1:20:07I just want a charger I can keep in my pocket

1:20:10that I won't even feel like I have something in my pocket.

1:20:12And I've gone through so many of things like this.

1:20:15There was like a Mophie one I had for a while

1:20:17that they don't make anymore.

1:20:18It was really small, like a credit card size one from Mophie

1:20:21and it fell apart at some point.

1:20:23So anyway, the one I love best is this one

1:20:25I just sent you the link to I'll put it in the show notes. It's a $20 one from anchor

1:20:28It's the only thing I don't like about it so cute because it's cylinder. It does roll around

1:20:33But I kind of wish it was more like a pencil like where it had like at least one flat

1:20:40Side or something, but it's just like a little cylinder

1:20:43And you put it in your pocket and it's like you don't even notice it's there and and then I there's other ones that I've had

1:20:50I have a whole shelf full of these things and I have some that have built-in lightning cables, which is super convenient

1:20:55But all I do is I buy like a little the smallest possible lightning cable you can get I think Amazon sells one

1:21:01That's only like three inches long or something or four inches. I don't know

1:21:06The mono price one is six inches long, which is actually longer than you need for this thing

1:21:11But just get like a cheap

1:21:14three inch four inch six inch lightning cable

1:21:17Lightning the USB from Amazon or from both or from mono price or something like that

1:21:22You plug it into this thing and it just works and it's and it's super solid

1:21:26Like the build quality on the anchor stuff is so impressive

1:21:29Compared to other brands in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I you know

1:21:35I still have the smart battery case from Apple for my phone

1:21:38So I I don't buy some of these likes more peripheral battery chargers, but these are these are good things

1:21:45This one's just adorable. Yeah, it's real and it's just really really good really

1:21:50I don't know just really it just feels good. Whereas a lot of the ones I have from other companies

1:21:54I

1:21:56Didn't think about this but will the 10 so the tennis was to have two hours more battery life. Yeah, supposedly

1:22:03Are they gonna make a battery case for it? Yeah, they gonna make a battery case for it. Maybe I don't need one

1:22:08I bet that they don't I bet they don't

1:22:11Because it would yeah, I

1:22:15I think that there was always that I think Apple was late to dip their toes in that and they you know

1:22:21They introduced it like in a weird way like I think it was with the iPhone 6 or 6s

1:22:25It was definitely somewhere in that area because they didn't it was a success and and they didn't do it at their event

1:22:31they just sort of

1:22:33They just sort of they actually introduced it via reviews

1:22:36Yeah, so I had one of the I think they only seeded to like me and a couple of other people and I had you

1:22:42Probably had it too. I think we actually talked about it

1:22:45Yeah, and I mean I have always been a fan of that product. I know a lot of people thought you think it's ugly. I

1:22:51Love it. Yeah, I like it too

1:22:54I've spent a lot of money on them too, but it doesn't fit my needs because I don't need it

1:22:5990 95 percent of the days of my life and on the days when I do I'd rather still have my phone no case

1:23:06until I need to charge and then just have a thing in my pocket that I can plug it into for a couple of minutes and

1:23:11and get a little top off.

1:23:14But I can slowly see-- - See, I have the red one,

1:23:15and I have it on all the, well, actually, it just broke,

1:23:18so I haven't had it on.

1:23:20Somebody tried to shove their phone in it,

1:23:21and it broke the lightning port.

1:23:24But see, if I'm in meetings all day, and I'm on my phone,

1:23:28or on my commute, which isn't that long,

1:23:32I just am on my phone nonstop for 45 minutes

1:23:34with no service, so it's looking for service,

1:23:36and I can get to the office and be down to 50% already.

1:23:41- Yeah, yeah, you need something.

1:23:43- Yeah, I actually love that product a lot.

1:23:45- My guess is that the increase, I mean, they actually,

1:23:47I mean, I think the two hours of battery life

1:23:49that Apple is claiming is two hours of in-use battery life.

1:23:52And if that's true, if that's true,

1:23:54I think it's got battery life more,

1:23:56that's why they never made one for the plus size phones,

1:23:59is that they don't need it, so I don't know.

1:24:02- Yeah, no, and I mean, that should get,

1:24:04I think that should get me through.

1:24:07It should be, yeah, and it makes sense

1:24:09the OLED screen and I guess the more screen space or the, you know, they have more space

1:24:17in there to pack a little bit of a bigger battery.

1:24:19How are we doing on time? We got to wrap up soon, right?

1:24:23We do.

1:24:25Anything else you wanted to talk about before we do sign off?

1:24:31Tiny MacBook Air.

1:24:33Cables. Yeah, my review of the tiny MacBook Air.

1:24:38Did you see the Google Levi's commuter trucker jacket with Jacquard?

1:24:44I think I saw some tweets about it.

1:24:48It's the dumbest looking thing I've ever…

1:24:50I don't know what…

1:24:51I feel like the one problem with Google is that they don't seem to have anything inside

1:24:56the company that stops a dumb idea from coming out.

1:25:00Like I think it was…

1:25:01I think that it's good for companies to throw out crazy ideas like having a smart jacket.

1:25:08But then at a certain point before you actually ship it as a product, you've got to say, "Well,

1:25:12wait.

1:25:13This needs to be killed because this isn't...

1:25:16Let's go back to the drawing board and come back in another year or two with something

1:25:19better."

1:25:20It's not even worth going into, but it's just useless.

1:25:24It's like a denim jacket that you put a device in the sleeve and it becomes like a remote

1:25:29control for audio and for talking to Google Assistant.

1:25:33But this isn't new, is it? I mean, like that idea has been around for like ski

1:25:37jackets and Apple came out with one. Apple came out with one in 2003 for the iPod.

1:25:43It was like a, I forget, you know, and it, you know,

1:25:46the only advantage over this over that was that, uh, back in 2003,

1:25:50you still had to plug your iPod in, you know, it was, it wasn't wireless.

1:25:54It was all cabled to your headphones. And this is obviously over Bluetooth,

1:25:58But I just can't see, if you have to have headphones in for any, it doesn't have a display, so everything you get from it is through headphones,

1:26:04why not just put the smart thing in the headphones and then you don't have to have the jacket on all the time?

1:26:09Like, it's, it in no way is better than, let's just say AirPods, for example, where you don't have to wear the same jacket every day and keep the jacket on and all the time and,

1:26:19and then it came out that they say you can, you can only wash it 10 times before it loses the touch of duty.

1:26:26- You can only watch a jacket?

1:26:28I mean, granted, I don't know the last time

1:26:29I washed my jean jacket, but I mean.

1:26:32- Well, I actually got, I wondered about that

1:26:34'cause I don't really wash a jacket all that often,

1:26:36but I don't wear a jean jacket.

1:26:37But I did get email from some people

1:26:39who live in San Francisco and say

1:26:40that they wear a jean jacket often

1:26:42and they do need to wash it all the time

1:26:43'cause it picks up the many fine aromas

1:26:47of the city of San Francisco very easily.

1:26:50- God.

1:26:51- So my quip on "Daring Fireball" after it came out

1:26:54that it can only be washed 10 times was that it not only

1:26:58figuratively stinks, but will literally stink as well. And I

1:27:02was pretty proud of that one.

1:27:03I'm proud of you for that is I'm just looking at this. I don't

1:27:08understand. I mean that I've written so much about I mean,

1:27:11so much about this smart dumb tech. Oh, good. There's a guide

1:27:18to how to use your jacket. That's always what I've wanted.

1:27:20All right, we'll wrap this up. This is gonna be

1:27:22brush your side. You got to brush this. What the?

1:27:25These are going to be the best show notes ever.

1:27:27We're gonna I mean, the entire thing was show notes. And it's

1:27:32just all this show should just be called show notes. It's all

1:27:35just links to numino cookies and anchor charging products.

1:27:39Basically, what else was on your list here that you want? We did?

1:27:43Yeah, I think that was about it. That's it's fine. Oh, you have

1:27:46my tweet in here about the face ID on the watch. I still think

1:27:49that's a good idea. All right, let's wrap the show with that.

1:27:51what I that raised my I was like, Hmm, why?

1:27:56Mostly, I think it's because I've been taking the watch on

1:27:59and off so much. So I'm always typing in the little password.

1:28:03But also, there are so many times where, and this is goes

1:28:08back to the nose watch situation, where my hands are

1:28:13full, right? Walking the dog, I have a bunch of stuff in my

1:28:16hands, I'm going into the door, you know, my mail, I've got the

1:28:19mail, my bag, all this stuff. And I can't, I can't touch the

1:28:25watch. So I guess we would, I guess face ID would need to turn

1:28:29into some sort of other sort of gaze control. Yeah. But

1:28:33I could see that I actually know exactly what you're talking

1:28:36about. And and as somebody who was my face not able to control

1:28:40the watch as somebody who's a lot of the time still wears a

1:28:44like a analog mechanical watch. And you know, I've got like

1:28:48three or four, which counts as to some degree as a collection. When you have a

1:28:54handful of stuff, and it seems to me like that's the most likely time when the

1:28:59raised to wake on the watch doesn't work because you can't move your wrist

1:29:04crisply enough because like especially if like what you're carrying on your

1:29:08watch hand is a beverage, and it frustrates me every time I do that where

1:29:15I'm looking clearly at the watch face and it's just black.

1:29:19And I know that if I had a different watch on,

1:29:22I'd be able to see what time or the date or whatever is.

1:29:25So I could see that.

1:29:26I could see that if it had like a face ID thing

1:29:28that was always just sort of looking--

1:29:29- I think it's like gesture control, right?

1:29:31A little bit, or facial gesture.

1:29:33I mean, and look, I think that's where,

1:29:35I mean, there are a lot of,

1:29:37I think one of the most exciting things about the 10,

1:29:39and I don't wanna get into this,

1:29:40'cause I'm sure you've done many podcasts on the 10,

1:29:42and we can do it after the 10 comes out.

1:29:46I do think that Apple is setting up the technology here

1:29:49for some other paradigms to interact with the screen.

1:29:53And as dumb as an emoji might seem to some people,

1:29:57there's a lot of interesting technology in there

1:29:58that's allowing you to sort of move your face.

1:30:02And it's, I mean, how accurate some of that face stuff was

1:30:06that when I saw it in the demo

1:30:07was a little bit scary, actually.

1:30:10like it picked up me blinking, right,

1:30:13in my Animoji, poop emoji demo

1:30:18when I recorded it and sent it to myself,

1:30:20and it's in my video from the event.

1:30:22At the end, my eye sort of, I guess, blinked,

1:30:25but we cut it on that end,

1:30:27so it looks like I had like a lazy eye.

1:30:29(laughing)

1:30:32My Animoji has like a lazy eye.

1:30:33- Right, so the same way that you can snap a photo

1:30:36and have it snap at the wrong,

1:30:39just the wrong moment of like mid-wink.

1:30:42- Yeah. - You know what?

1:30:43I've noticed with the iPhone 8

1:30:46that I took some photos of my son

1:30:48and I thought like based on the snapshot

1:30:50that you get right when you press the shutter

1:30:52that I got him like mid-lazy eye

1:30:54and then I look at the photo and it's not

1:30:55and I think that the phone is being smart enough

1:30:58to detect it and say let me take the frame

1:31:01from an eighth of a second later.

1:31:04You know what I mean?

1:31:05- Especially if it's a live photo.

1:31:06- Yep, I'm convinced that the iPhone is doing that now.

1:31:10You know which product I want?

1:31:11- So anyway--

1:31:13- I want Face ID in the MacBook.

1:31:14- In the MacBook, me too, me too.

1:31:16I think totally.

1:31:19- Just I open the clamshell and it doesn't matter

1:31:22if I'm wearing, I love the thing where if you have

1:31:24your watch, it'll unlock it.

1:31:26It's one of the main reasons I wear the Apple watch

1:31:28while working, but it would be so much better

1:31:31if all I do is open the clamshell and it's like,

1:31:33oh, it's you, here you are, unlocked.

1:31:36No Touch ID. - Totally.

1:31:37I think it makes way more sense

1:31:38than the Touch ID actually in the Mac.

1:31:40- Yeah, because it would happen

1:31:44in a thing that you're doing anyway, right?

1:31:45You have to open the clamshell

1:31:48and literally nothing else.

1:31:49There's nothing else you would have to do

1:31:51other than have it trained on your face already.

1:31:53I think it's inevitable.

1:31:54- So I mean, and I don't know.

1:31:57I mean, hard to say if Apple wants us to be winking

1:32:00and moving and nodding our heads at technology,

1:32:03but it seems like I'm okay with it.

1:32:07It seems like that would be a fine use case in my life,

1:32:10especially when walking the dog,

1:32:12to look down at my watch, I don't know, blink or something,

1:32:15and it scrolls to my next message or something.

1:32:17I don't know.

1:32:18- Well, and you raise a good point about the unlocking,

1:32:22because most of the time, I don't have to type the number,

1:32:27because I'll just put the watch on and then unlock my phone,

1:32:30and then there's the thing where,

1:32:32- I never do that. - Once you've unlocked

1:32:32your phone after you've put it on, it'll unlock the watch.

1:32:35But now that the watch is being billed as a thing

1:32:37that you don't need your phone with, right?

1:32:39And it is. - Right, right.

1:32:40- That I think it actually, I think you're right

1:32:41that that actually does, you know, again,

1:32:43how in the world would they put that, you know,

1:32:45if it's such a big ugly notch on the iPhone X,

1:32:47we might be five years away from them being able

1:32:50to embed it seamlessly in the watch.

1:32:52But when it happens, it'll seem like,

1:32:54how did we live without it?

1:32:56- Yeah, and we'll see how Apple Pay works on the X,

1:33:00But as they demoed it, you look at the phone, right?

1:33:03And then you put it to the receiver.

1:33:05I don't know if it's the other way around.

1:33:07- Well, and the other thing you have to do on the 10

1:33:09is you have to double click the side button.

1:33:10It's like once you get into--

1:33:12- Oh, you do?

1:33:13- Yeah, there's some kind of like,

1:33:14and I'm not quite sure, I still don't know.

1:33:18And there was a whole bunch of things

1:33:19that came out yesterday, like an Apple white paper,

1:33:21and Renee Ritchie wrote an article.

1:33:23I'm still not sure what the order is

1:33:24and what exactly you're gonna see on screen.

1:33:27Because the thing about double clicking the side button

1:33:29is people aren't gonna guess that.

1:33:32So it's gotta be something on screen that tells you,

1:33:34double click the side button to confirm

1:33:37that you want to do this.

1:33:38But the whole reason to do it is that

1:33:41just because you're looking at your phone,

1:33:42nobody can come by you with a near-field communicator

1:33:46and authenticate a charge, right?

1:33:48That's the whole-- - Oh, that makes sense.

1:33:49- It makes total sense when you think about it.

1:33:51When you think about it of I don't wanna get ripped off

1:33:54just because I'm looking at my phone on the subway

1:33:56and some clever scammer walks by

1:33:59with a little near-field thing that confirms--

1:34:01- But the way it is now is you just have to authenticate

1:34:04by pressing down on the fingerprint ID,

1:34:07which I guess is the action.

1:34:09- But you do get a chance, though,

1:34:10to pick an alternative form of payment.

1:34:12If you don't wanna use your default card,

1:34:14you wanna pick a different card.

1:34:15So something will appear on screen with an interface

1:34:19for letting you pick another card or to cancel

1:34:22if you just say, "Ah, I don't wanna buy this."

1:34:26So something like that.

1:34:26- Well then maybe it ends up being that actually

1:34:28it's gonna be faster to still pay with your watch.

1:34:30- Yeah, I think so too.

1:34:32And again, with the watch, and it's similar to it,

1:34:34like with the watch where you put it into that mode

1:34:36by double clicking the button.

1:34:37Maybe that's-- - Double clicking the button.

1:34:38- Maybe that's what it is, is you'll just,

1:34:40it'll be just like the watch, to get it into Apple Pay mode,

1:34:42you just have to start by double clicking the button.

1:34:45I don't know, and that might be it, I don't know.

1:34:47But they'll have to somehow train people

1:34:49that that's how you do it.

1:34:51- Right.

1:34:52And yeah, oh look, I'm just super excited about Animoji,

1:34:54I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie

1:34:56I do think I think that part of the reason they made an emoji isn't so much because they think it's gonna be super popular

1:35:01Although it might be but it's you know, it's like those Apple watch

1:35:03weirdo emojis never really caught on but I do think that one of the reason they spent the time to make it was to show

1:35:09You just how accurate the face tracking is, you know the fact that that's what

1:35:13Right, right. It's it really does track like your eyes blinking in real time and the facial, you know

1:35:20Contortions you make and I think that it's sort of just like a proof of you know, trust us

1:35:24We're really we're not just taking a simple picture of your foot face. We're doing some serious 3d tracking here

1:35:29right

1:35:31Yeah, I mean I was I was most impressed by an emoji really

1:35:34Well, this is one of those things - one of the funny things about being reviewers is that once assuming I don't even know it's like

1:35:43You know, I wrote the other day that you know, Apple doesn't talk about things in advance even with with you know

1:35:48people like us. But assuming that we get review units of the iPhone 10, before they go on sale,

1:35:54it's you'll be one of the few people I can send an animoji to because I'll know that you're,

1:35:59you're, you're, you'll know, you'll know, I'll just be sending animojis constantly.

1:36:03Right. So like what we had the original Apple Watch you and I had, it's just, I don't know,

1:36:09just seem sending creepy mime hands all the time, right? And heartbeats and

1:36:14and little scribbles.

1:36:16- Haven't done it since the first Apple Watch.

1:36:18Haven't used any of that.

1:36:19- No, but you and I had like this 40 message,

1:36:22iMessage thread that was nothing but weirdo emojis

1:36:25and heartbeats and scribbles.

1:36:29It'll be like that with-- - It's true.

1:36:31- You'll be getting poop animoji from me,

1:36:34probably within a few weeks.

1:36:36- I gotta think about how I'm gonna really test animojis.

1:36:41It seems like a real job that Apple designed for me.

1:36:44- It does, 'cause it lends itself to video very well.

1:36:49- It does, yeah, which they're always like,

1:36:52what are you gonna do with this?

1:36:55Anyway, we shall see.

1:37:00- People can follow you on Twitter @joannasturn.

1:37:04- Yep. - @joannasturn.

1:37:06And of course, read your fine work

1:37:08and watch the video work at the Wall Street Journal.

1:37:11Always a pleasure to have you on the show.

1:37:15- Always a pleasure to be here.

1:37:16- Hope to see you soon.

1:37:17- Always a pleasure to talk about your sponsors, really,

1:37:21what I'm here for.

1:37:22- Thank you, Joanne.

1:37:23- I'm going to get some Newman's O's, Newman O's, Newman O's.