0:00:00We've got rumors to talk about I love rumors. I know this is you know what I was thinking about
0:00:04I think this is sort of like I think this is the the the fall season here the you know, November December
0:00:11this is like peak rumor season because
0:00:14Nothing's coming out soon. Mm-hmm, but there are you know, Apple must be working on stuff for next year and beyond
0:00:20And so now is the time when the rumors start coming out
0:00:24The big one that I've seen the one that's got everybody in a tizzy
0:00:28is you know which one it is right yes I do which one is it it's the the
0:00:34headphone jack thing exactly right that the mini is a mini jack right yeah so
0:00:45the standard 3.5 millimeter headphone jack that's been in every device that
0:00:50I'm aware of for a long time is supposedly says one report who had it
0:01:00originally here let's see it was a Japanese rumor site right at some chapter
0:01:04of well not a rumor site but well I guess yeah so Mac rumors right it's Mac
0:01:14Odakara, which MacRumors described as often reliable.
0:01:22Often. Well, in the scheme of like publishing these things from the supply
0:01:28chain in Asia, often reliable, if you say it with a straight face, is actually high
0:01:33praise. High praise, right. But it was not sourced from DigiTimes, right?
0:01:41No, it's their... So they didn't get it from DigiTimes? No, their report cited a
0:01:47"reliable source." Okay. And I guess... So it says... Here's Mac
0:01:54Rumor's translation of it, or interpretation, I guess I should say. The
0:01:59report citing a "reliable source"
0:02:02claims the new same-sized Lightning connector will support Lightning-equipped
0:02:06and Bluetooth headphones and have a DAC, or a digital to audio converter, for backwards
0:02:14compatibility with wired headphones using a standard 3.5mm stereo jack. A 3.5mm to lightning
0:02:26adapter would be required. So I guess the gist of it, the way I interpret this, and
0:02:33And I don't think it's entirely clear.
0:02:34The way I just interpret it is that they're not replacing the headphone jack with a new
0:02:40proprietary jack.
0:02:41They are simply getting rid of the headphone jack and you'll just have to plug in to the
0:02:45lightning adapter that's already there.
0:02:49Or use Bluetooth.
0:02:52Or use Bluetooth.
0:02:53I don't see why this report says that the new lightning connector has anything to do
0:02:58with Bluetooth, though.
0:03:01Doesn't seem like that makes sense.
0:03:02No, yeah.
0:03:03I think that's a mistake. That's what I mean about it being a little confusing.
0:03:06I think what they mean is that you will, you know, your options will be to either plug in headphones with a lightning connector,
0:03:13A. B. use a new dongle that doesn't exist yet that'll be a, you'll stick it in the lightning port and then you'll stick regular headphones into this dongle.
0:03:24Or C. you'll switch to Bluetooth headphones.
0:03:28or D, you'll throw your phone in the river and go back to Blackberry.
0:03:37I guess the other option would be to...
0:03:41This would be a great time for Blackberry to come out and proclaim their support for the 3.5mm jack.
0:03:48(laughs)
0:03:50Another option, and I love it, I really do,
0:03:53I deeply enjoy it when other people's small children
0:03:56do this on, let's say, a train or something,
0:03:58is you could just use the speakers on the device.
0:04:01(laughs)
0:04:03- That's perfect.
0:04:04- Pumped up to a loud enough volume to, you know,
0:04:08overtake the sound of the train or the--
0:04:10- The train.
0:04:11- Or the jet airliner that you're riding on.
0:04:13(laughs)
0:04:15Who needs headphones?
0:04:17I know. So, but the whole, I mean, the whole thing, so this, this is portrayed as, which,
0:04:23you know, well, first of all, the, the, this is not the first time we've heard this.
0:04:27No.
0:04:28This rumor.
0:04:29Well, and I think this, this flow has floated also right before the, the iPhone 6, if I
0:04:35remember correctly.
0:04:36I think it started, it started though when Lightning debuted, because Lightning has always
0:04:42supported audio. And you can buy, they exist today. In fact, there's a pair of Philips
0:04:49ones here in the screenshot that MacRumors has. You can buy Lightning connector headphones
0:04:55today. The existing Lightning port can support audio, so you can do that right now today.
0:05:00That's not a new thing.
0:05:03So in terms of what they're saying about this so-called iPhone 7 having a new next generation
0:05:09and lightning jack, the female side,
0:05:13would be that it includes a digital audio converter.
0:05:20I don't know though why the dongle
0:05:22wouldn't do the digital audio conversion.
0:05:25But anyway, that's what they're saying.
0:05:26So I think right now, and I could be wrong,
0:05:29I could be definitely wrong about this.
0:05:31This could be something that maybe the dongle would work
0:05:33on our existing iPhones.
0:05:34But I think what they're saying is that
0:05:37to use standard headphones through the dongle
0:05:40and the lightning would require this iPhone 7 lightning port
0:05:44because it would include the digital audio converter inside.
0:05:47- Okay.
0:05:48- But otherwise I don't think any of this is new.
0:05:51You know, the fact that lightning can handle audio
0:05:53is definitely not new.
0:05:54You can buy these headphones today
0:05:56and use them on your phone today.
0:05:57And the rumors started as soon as that became clear.
0:06:00'Cause why else would they do it
0:06:03unless they plan to get rid of the 3.5 at some point?
0:06:07Yeah. There was also a smaller jack than the 3.5 millimeter jack that used to be used in
0:06:16Japan for years, because I remember I bought, when I was in Japan, I accidentally bought
0:06:22a pair of headphones and took them home and went to put them on my walkman or whatever
0:06:28it was. And I was like, "This is not right." But I think the reason it was exactly like
0:06:37that though was that was for smaller so the smaller devices there's so many
0:06:44jokes that I can't think of no I can't I can't think it's good I can't glad I
0:06:51can't think of any jokes stem from this no there's nothing there's nothing to be
0:06:57said well anyway people are some people are very very upset about this they are
0:07:04and however much controversy there was
0:07:09when Apple switched from the 30-pin dock connector
0:07:12to the Lightning adapter,
0:07:16and people accused Apple of doing this
0:07:19just to get people to buy more cables.
0:07:22It was a money grab.
0:07:24This is the accusation, that it was a money grab.
0:07:26And I think you and I have talked about this multiple times,
0:07:28that it was a money grab,
0:07:30and they wanted to sell new cables,
0:07:33They wanted you to buy new docks.
0:07:34They wanted you to buy their little, I think it was $19,
0:07:38just the little adapter that lets you switch
0:07:41a 30-pin thing into a lightning thing.
0:07:44I think it was 19.
0:07:45- Was it that much or was that the headphone price?
0:07:47- No, yeah, that's probably right.
0:07:49That's probably right.
0:07:50- Although maybe it was 29.
0:07:51- The headphones are something like 30.
0:07:53- Yeah.
0:07:54And I laugh about this.
0:07:59I laugh that people are upset.
0:08:01But I understand the frustration.
0:08:03I just laugh at how hard people take this.
0:08:07- Well, yeah, so the thing that it's portrayed as
0:08:11a trade-off for is getting a thinner iPhone, right?
0:08:15- Yeah.
0:08:16- Then that's the only, so it, and everyone says,
0:08:20I don't want a thinner iPhone, which,
0:08:23I mean, I don't feel like I need a thinner iPhone,
0:08:29but in fairness, you haven't seen a thinner iPhone yet.
0:08:32- No.
0:08:33you might really like a thinner iPhone.
0:08:35- Well, and as, oh man, here it is.
0:08:38So I looked it up on the store.apple.com.
0:08:40The lightning to 30-pin adapter, not a cable,
0:08:43just the little adapter.
0:08:44Right now it sells for $29.
0:08:46So I think it's, maybe it's always been $29.
0:08:48- Yeah.
0:08:49- And the lightning to 30-pin adapter
0:08:56that's more of a cable is $39.
0:09:01It's got a 0.2 meter cable.
0:09:04So it's a rather, like a 20 centimeter cable.
0:09:09And that's $39.
0:09:11(laughing)
0:09:16I do get the frustration there.
0:09:18It does seem to me, it seems very clear to me,
0:09:21and it just seems funny that it always comes up
0:09:24when you're on the show, that there's a sort of aspect
0:09:26of let's spend Tim Cook's money.
0:09:31that these things should be cheaper,
0:09:33and that whatever money they make from them,
0:09:36they would gain in goodwill by making them,
0:09:40if not giving them away,
0:09:42coming as close to giving them away as they can.
0:09:44That if they sold them, it cost,
0:09:46and presumably it costs a lot less than $29
0:09:49to make this dongle.
0:09:50They would make up for it in goodwill.
0:09:54- Right.
0:09:57- Is that true? - They're not interested.
0:09:57They're not interested in that.
0:09:59Well, I think it would be, it would be, it would make the pill easier to swallow.
0:10:04It, I, you know, I don't know that people would be completely,
0:10:08'cause if you're, if you're heavily invested in, in that jack, and I think, you know, I mean, I think some people are.
0:10:14I'm not, I wouldn't say that I am particularly. I do have many headphones that I wear with that jack,
0:10:21but I mostly use them for podcasting, and, and so I'm plugging them into a microphone,
0:10:26instead of plugging it into my iPhone.
0:10:30And I mostly, and I'm, you know, I'm not an audiophile,
0:10:36so I mostly use Apple's headphones
0:10:39when I'm using my iPhone.
0:10:41And then I also have a pair of Bluetooth headphones
0:10:45that I use for exercising.
0:10:47So it wouldn't really change my life that much.
0:10:50- I just find it a fun thing to talk about on the show
0:10:55because it's such a petty little thing
0:11:00in the grand scheme of things, if you really think about it.
0:11:03It's just not that big a deal in the life of an iPhone user.
0:11:09But there's so many implications of a change like this
0:11:13that it makes it fun to think about the trade-offs on Apple's
0:11:16part.
0:11:18So let's tackle some more of these implications
0:11:20of the audio jack.
0:11:23So one of them, like you said, the idea
0:11:25would be that Apple would be motivated to do this,
0:11:29because it would allow them to make the device thinner.
0:11:32That at this point, 3.5 millimeters,
0:11:34just for the port alone, is significant.
0:11:39You know, it's a constraint, given
0:11:42how the millimeter thickness of these devices.
0:11:45Now, obviously, there's existence proof
0:11:47that they can make thinner devices that still
0:11:49have that port.
0:11:50Like the iPod Touch, the current generation iPod Touch,
0:11:53is like a full millimeter thinner than the iPhone 6S.
0:11:58- Is it really?
0:12:00- Yeah.
0:12:01- Okay, actually I have them both here,
0:12:03but they're in cases.
0:12:04- Or almost so.
0:12:05It's like the iPhone 6S is like 6.9 millimeters
0:12:09and the iPod Touch is like 6.1.
0:12:11And still has a standard audio port.
0:12:16And the iPod Nano is even thinner still
0:12:23and still has the regular audio port.
0:12:28But as some people on Twitter have pointed out,
0:12:31if you look at the iPod Nano, the length it takes,
0:12:36the depth that the headphone jack has
0:12:39to go into the port to fit, it doesn't actually
0:12:43go underneath the screen at all.
0:12:44There's a chin.
0:12:46So it's not like it also has to fit underneath the screen,
0:12:50where I think it does on the iPhone.
0:12:52So thinness is definitely certainly one of the angles.
0:12:56I don't think it means that they couldn't make
0:12:58an iPhone 7 that's thinner and keep the jack though.
0:13:02It just probably makes it easier
0:13:04because it's one last thing to put in.
0:13:05And I think that the depth of the jack
0:13:08is actually more of a problem than the thickness of it.
0:13:10The fact that the standard audio port has to go so far in.
0:13:14God, this show could be torn apart
0:13:20to create a political attack ad against me.
0:13:22Here's another one.
0:13:30What do you think would happen if they said,
0:13:32we're taking out the audio jack because we
0:13:37want to put more battery in?
0:13:40That would be an interesting thing for them to say.
0:13:42So we took out the audio jack, and you'll
0:13:46get another hour and a half of battery.
0:13:50- That would be interesting.
0:13:52It would be an interesting way to justify it.
0:13:54- Instead of saying it's gonna be even thinner.
0:13:57- Right, because saying that it's even thinner
0:13:58really only seems to satisfy Apple's internal obsession
0:14:03with device thinness.
0:14:05And it could well be that it's more than just
0:14:09the taste of Johnny Ive and his team
0:14:13and whoever else is there that they want these devices,
0:14:15that they value thinness over the battery life
0:14:18that could be gained by just making the device thicker
0:14:21or keeping it the thinness of the,
0:14:24instead of making it as thin as they possibly can
0:14:27to get the same battery life as the previous generation,
0:14:29what if they kept the same thickness
0:14:31as the device thickness as the previous generation
0:14:36but used their newfound ability to miniaturize
0:14:39and thin things to just create more room for a battery?
0:14:42Right, that's the thing that some people,
0:14:45a lot of people seem to want Apple to do.
0:14:47It could well be that Apple has internal marketing
0:14:50like data, like, you know, that suggests, if not proves,
0:14:57that given the choice in a store,
0:15:00people will choose the thinner device.
0:15:02And that there might be, as much as many of us think
0:15:05that people would be happier with the thicker device
0:15:09that gets longer battery life,
0:15:10Apple might have some knowledge to know
0:15:12that at the point of sale,
0:15:14people are gonna buy the thinner one.
0:15:16And it would expose them to--
0:15:18- I wouldn't be, yeah.
0:15:19I wouldn't be surprised by that really
0:15:21because I don't think it's like,
0:15:23it's not like this for me anymore
0:15:24but that used to be the one thing
0:15:26when I looked at years ago when I looked at Android phones,
0:15:28I thought, wow, it would be really cool
0:15:30to have a phone that was that thin.
0:15:32- Samsung has one, it's one of the galaxies.
0:15:36It's not the flagship 'cause the flagship one
0:15:37has higher specs and can't be that thin.
0:15:40But there's one of the current Galaxy phones,
0:15:42Somebody, I saw somebody claim is only 5.9 millimeters.
0:15:46So Samsung's in a race for thinness too.
0:15:49And don't forget that these are the sort of decisions
0:15:52that when Apple makes now for next year,
0:15:54if they stick to the current plan
0:15:57of using the same hardware for two years,
0:15:59basic hardware profile for two years,
0:16:02with a seven next year and then a seven S
0:16:05the year after that,
0:16:06that if they make a mistake here and go thicker
0:16:11and Samsung goes way thinner and it proves to be a hit,
0:16:15they could be the same sort of thing that happened
0:16:16with larger screen sizes a few years ago
0:16:19where larger screen sizes clearly were selling phones.
0:16:24And there was even, it is one of those rare things
0:16:27that we have proof of because it came out
0:16:29in the court case, one of the court cases was Samsung
0:16:33where there was like an email,
0:16:34I think might have even been from Schiller himself,
0:16:36but it was certainly from somebody on Schiller's team.
0:16:39There was an internal email at Apple
0:16:40that said some people want what we don't have,
0:16:45larger screen phones.
0:16:47And they can't just scramble and, you know,
0:16:53come out with a new phone next month with a bigger screen.
0:16:55These things are, you know, have two year lead times,
0:16:59maybe even longer.
0:17:00So if Apple thinks or maybe even knows
0:17:05that thinness sells and they certainly know
0:17:07that Samsung is capable of making devices
0:17:10that are thin, if not other companies too,
0:17:13they may not wanna do this.
0:17:16Even if they also know that customer satisfaction-wise,
0:17:20after they've already purchased a phone,
0:17:22if it had the longer battery life of a thicker thing,
0:17:25people would be happier.
0:17:26- Yeah, it is strange though to see lots of people saying
0:17:33that they don't want something that,
0:17:37I mean, obviously this is presented as,
0:17:39no, you gotta get rid of this in order to get that.
0:17:41If they came out and just said it was gonna be
0:17:42a thinner phone, you'd probably get
0:17:44a slightly different reaction
0:17:45without the, you're gonna lose the headphone jack.
0:17:48But it seems like it used to be like,
0:17:52here are the things that, you know,
0:17:54seems like they might be coming in the next iPhone
0:17:56and everyone would be pretty excited about those things
0:17:59with the exception of lighting.
0:18:01- Yeah.
0:18:02- And I feel like, like I feel like I don't,
0:18:05I don't necessarily, I don't feel like I'm that excited
0:18:07about a thinner phone at this point.
0:18:09and we've had this discussion before too,
0:18:12I would rather have a smaller phone.
0:18:14- Yeah, it may not just be about thinness though.
0:18:16So I say it could be, it could help,
0:18:19and maybe it would help with battery life too.
0:18:21But there are other factors too.
0:18:23Like even if you could just concede for the moment
0:18:26that they could go as thin as they want to
0:18:28and still keep the other jack.
0:18:29That whatever thinness they're planning for
0:18:32for the iPhone 7, it could accommodate
0:18:34a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack.
0:18:36I don't know if that's true or not,
0:18:37but let's just concede it for the moment.
0:18:39It's also another point of potential water damage.
0:18:44One less port is one lens, one less thing
0:18:48to have to try to protect against water getting in there.
0:18:55Having two ports definitely takes more space
0:19:00inside the device than one port that does both things.
0:19:06that's just like a obvious fact.
0:19:08So in other ways, other than thinness,
0:19:10it might, like you said, batteries, one life,
0:19:12who knows what else they could use that space for,
0:19:15but they could certainly, they certainly take advantage
0:19:17of every bit of space that they can.
0:19:19- Yeah.
0:19:20- I don't know.
0:19:25- The problem is like, is charging.
0:19:26I mean, everybody's, you know,
0:19:27- Right. - worked this out already,
0:19:28but like when you're, and I do this,
0:19:30I do this sometimes where I put the headphones in
0:19:32and I'm charging while I'm at my desk
0:19:33and listening to something.
0:19:35and having to find a dongle and nobody really wants a dongle.
0:19:45Like a Y-adapter dongle.
0:19:47Yeah.
0:19:48The idea would be that even if you're on board--
0:19:51on the one hand, if you want to stick
0:19:52with your beloved old pair of headphones that
0:19:56has a 3.5-millimeter jack, then you
0:19:59need a dongle to go 3.5 to lightning.
0:20:05And it can't be a tiny little dongle,
0:20:07because we know how long the adapter is on the headphones.
0:20:13And I'm looking at it right now.
0:20:16Yeah, at a minimum, it's at least, what, half an inch?
0:20:23Not that small.
0:20:24So you've got this thing sticking out
0:20:26of your phone plus the actual cable itself
0:20:28from the headphone that sticks out from the phone.
0:20:30So it's, you know, cumbersome.
0:20:33But even if you're willing to go on board
0:20:35with a new pair of lightning headphones,
0:20:38which presumably Apple would ship with the device
0:20:40and other companies are already making,
0:20:43if you wanna charge and use those at the same times,
0:20:45you'd still need an adapter
0:20:46so that you could have two lightning inputs,
0:20:48one for charging, one for the headphone.
0:20:51And I'm not even sure if that would work.
0:20:53- Yeah, unless you have inductive charging.
0:20:57- Right, and I fully concede.
0:21:00One of the things, this is just one of those things
0:21:01where I just like to sit here and think about it
0:21:04from Apple's perspective, and I don't really have
0:21:07strong feelings one way or the other.
0:21:08Like me trying to justify it and thinking of the reasons
0:21:11Apple might wanna do it isn't me saying
0:21:13I think this is a great idea.
0:21:15I'm not sure, I think it's interesting
0:21:18'cause there's so many trade-offs,
0:21:19but the needing to charge or wanting to charge
0:21:23while you listen with headphones
0:21:24is absolutely, positively a real thing.
0:21:26I see my son doing it all the time.
0:21:28His devices seem to all live in the--
0:21:32like the best charge they ever seem to get
0:21:34puts him in the yellow.
0:21:35[LAUGHTER]
0:21:38Yeah, I think Hank is similar.
0:21:41I mean, so even just since this rumor popped up,
0:21:44I've spotted Jonas at least twice using his--
0:21:48I think it was both times it was his iPad--
0:21:50but using his iPad with headphones,
0:21:52watching video while it was charging.
0:21:55So I fully concede that is not just something people want to do.
0:22:00It's something people like my son would have to do other than to stare at a black iPhone.
0:22:05Just let it go out.
0:22:06Yeah, just stare at the black screen of a dead iPad.
0:22:10So I don't know how Apple solves it.
0:22:12Maybe the answer is, of course, that they don't and that this whole story is bullshit
0:22:16and that they're not getting rid of the separate jack.
0:22:18Well, that's the other thing that's kind of ridiculous about the whole thing
0:22:22is it has really been widely discussed
0:22:26and it is all based off this one.
0:22:29- Right.
0:22:30- This one source.
0:22:31- Like so inside Apple, there's somebody, you know,
0:22:34some team that clearly already knows the answer to this.
0:22:37I think that this is one of those decisions
0:22:39that's already been made.
0:22:41And they're either, they're laughing one way or the other.
0:22:45(laughing)
0:22:46Either way, they're laughing.
0:22:48Like if there is an iPhone,
0:22:50If there is a regular, good old fashioned 3.5 millimeter
0:22:54headphone jack on the iPhone 7 next year,
0:22:56the team inside Apple is laughing at all of the thought
0:22:59that we're all putting into this and all the consternation
0:23:02out there on the web.
0:23:03And if there's not, they're at least
0:23:05chuckling at the people who are saying,
0:23:07there's no way they would do this.
0:23:09It would make everybody too furious.
0:23:10Yeah, they're no stranger to controversy.
0:23:17So I don't think--
0:23:19It's funny though, because it is clearly controversial.
0:23:22And it's like there's something about Apple that makes them--
0:23:25one of the ways that Apple is clearly
0:23:27different than other companies.
0:23:28Is they're the only company whoever
0:23:30seems to face these things?
0:23:31I never see-- for one thing, other companies
0:23:36tend to keep legacy ports around almost as long as they can.
0:23:40As opposed to looking for a way to get rid of legacy ports,
0:23:43they look for a way to keep them going as long as they can.
0:23:47Yeah, it's like they don't want to lose that one extra sale.
0:23:50And then even when they do, I don't know
0:23:52how they escape the criticism.
0:23:54Like, Android phones-- iPhones have gone from--
0:23:59and for the sake of an argument, if you just
0:24:02count the iPod as a sibling predecessor to the iPhone,
0:24:08they've gone through two ports ever,
0:24:1130-pin, starting with the original iPod, to--
0:24:16Nope, the first one had FireWire.
0:24:18Right, so it was the same on the 30 pin end,
0:24:22but it was only FireWire on the other end.
0:24:24But you needed a new cable, so we'll call that--
0:24:28Wait, wait.
0:24:29No, it was a--
0:24:30No, the original iPod was FireWire on both ends.
0:24:34Oh my god, you're right.
0:24:35Yeah, you are right.
0:24:36Yeah.
0:24:36I'm totally wrong on that.
0:24:38So there are-- all right, so here's
0:24:39the changes they've gone through,
0:24:41including all the iPods.
0:24:43The first one was FireWire, FireWire.
0:24:45Then they went 30 pin to FireWire,
0:24:48and then it was 30 pin to USB.
0:24:51But if you just made like a clock radio that
0:24:53had the 30 pin thing, it would work with whatever your iPod
0:24:57was, and then lightning.
0:25:00Other devices, the ones that just use like USB,
0:25:02went through--
0:25:03I forget the names of them, but there's
0:25:05like sort of the thicker mini USB.
0:25:09Then there's the thinner new micro USB.
0:25:12It was like there was like mini USB, micro USB,
0:25:15now USB-C, which is nice because it's like lightning and you can't put it in upside down.
0:25:20It works both directions. For some reason when they switch, they don't get the controversy.
0:25:26Yeah. That always used to make me laugh because people on the Android side would make fun
0:25:31of Apple for like, "Oh, your ports match." And I was like, "Yeah, 100 years."
0:25:38And it's like I know some people are saying that would say, "Well, no, but Apple is the
0:25:43the only one who tries to gouge you for $29 for an adapter.
0:25:48But in short order, you can go to Amazon or Monoprice,
0:25:56for example, and get a high quality adapter that's
0:25:59not made by Apple for a reasonable price.
0:26:01So I mean, you can make the transition.
0:26:03And those are the only places that people on Android
0:26:07buy cables and stuff like that.
0:26:09So the fact that Apple's first party adapters and dongles
0:26:13are seemingly exorbitantly priced.
0:26:16It doesn't really make things worse
0:26:18for anybody who's sensitive to that
0:26:19and just goes to Amazon.
0:26:21I mean, it's not like Amazon is some obscure company
0:26:23that nobody's heard of.
0:26:24(laughing)
0:26:26- It might be slightly cheaper to get USB adapters.
0:26:33- Might be.
0:26:34- Because the other ones, I mean, the other ones,
0:26:36somebody has to license from Apple, right?
0:26:38They have to license one end from Apple.
0:26:40- Right, but there's other--
0:26:41- It still gets down to the point where it's,
0:26:43okay, we're still talking about like 10 bucks.
0:26:46- There's other hassles involved though,
0:26:48and they're all reasonable.
0:26:49I mean, these are all reasonable complaints.
0:26:51They're actual truth, the actual truth, they're obvious.
0:26:54But the problem where,
0:26:56like in a two-person household,
0:27:01where Person A has,
0:27:05or at one point, you both have phones
0:27:07with the same port on it,
0:27:08and then one of you upgrades to a new one
0:27:10and it has a different port.
0:27:11And now all the various places, like in that kitchen
0:27:14or wherever you might share a little charging station,
0:27:18now you can't just use the same cable.
0:27:19And you've got to either have two of them everywhere
0:27:22or divide up the territory 50/50.
0:27:26Doesn't matter whether it's Lightning and 30 pin
0:27:28or USB, micro USB, and USB-C. It's the same problem.
0:27:32But somehow this only becomes like a public brouhaha
0:27:36with Apple.
0:27:40get that. I don't get it either. I guess it's because I don't know, I mean I guess you could
0:27:50feasibly have a choice if you're on Android you could have a choice to go to a phone that
0:27:54has like the connector that you like, which seems like an awful way to make a decision
0:27:59to buy how to buy a phone. I really like mini USB and I'm gonna buy whatever phone has a
0:28:06mini USB jack. Do not try to sell me micro USB.
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0:33:52Let's go back to the,
0:33:54if we go back to the audio port thing,
0:33:56I wanna just say this.
0:33:57That's the idea of, let's just say, in theory,
0:33:59that Apple could either, like, let's just say for like
0:34:03a month after the new iPhone 7 comes out,
0:34:05and it doesn't have the headphone jack,
0:34:07if they just have like a fishbowl in the Apple store,
0:34:11where you can go in and just say,
0:34:15"Hey, I need another one of those adapters."
0:34:17And Apple, you know, they just give you one.
0:34:20Not only would you get one for free with your iPhone,
0:34:23that you could just go to the Apple store,
0:34:24and if you want like two or three of them,
0:34:26they'll just give you like, you know,
0:34:27a reasonable number of them.
0:34:29And then after that, like after the holiday season's over
0:34:34or something like that, they just settle in
0:34:36and sell them for, let's say,
0:34:38I mean, I think the cheapest they could possibly
0:34:39sell them for is, let's say, $9.95.
0:34:42It doesn't seem to me like they would sell them for less,
0:34:44but that's pretty cheap.
0:34:45Why don't they do that?
0:34:47Why don't they just give them away like candy?
0:34:50- You got me.
0:34:52- I think, well, there's two explanations.
0:34:56One is the cynical one, which is that they really
0:35:00do purposefully sell them for an exorbitant price
0:35:02because they want the money.
0:35:04And my two explanations aren't necessarily
0:35:09at odds with each other.
0:35:09There could be different groups within the company
0:35:11that agree with both of them.
0:35:13So there could be like a Tim Cook bean counter side,
0:35:18Jeff Williams operation side that says,
0:35:20if we can sell these for $29, that would be great
0:35:23because we can make them for $3.
0:35:26The other side, the product marketing side, might be sort of a, if we don't make it painful,
0:35:36sufficiently painful to make this transition, even knowing that there's a cost to our image
0:35:44because people will see us as money grubbing and purposefully making annoying port decisions
0:35:50on the iPhone every year.
0:35:52But if we don't do this, if it's not sufficiently painful, it won't motivate people to move
0:35:56to the new thing.
0:35:59And think about it with just the fact that there already are lightning headphones out
0:36:05there but as far as I can tell, very few people use them.
0:36:09And there aren't as many as I guess Apple would like.
0:36:13I'm assuming they're more expensive.
0:36:14They haven't liked.
0:36:16Yeah, and I guess they have to be licensed.
0:36:18I don't know.
0:36:19Yeah, they would have to be, right?
0:36:22I...
0:36:24Well, the thing, I mean, the only thing that's a...
0:36:28I think that's certainly probably true in the switch from 30-pin to Lightning.
0:36:34Because I think Lightning was just a... it's just really legitimately a better experience.
0:36:41The only thing that is kind of a...
0:36:44I mean, obviously some of this is because we don't really know the whole story yet, even if it's happening.
0:36:49But like if late the but the charging situation is not really a better such
0:36:53Situation right that is not a better experience. Hmm
0:36:57Yeah, so I guess the other question to ask is what would make this configuration better because I really do think Apple would only this
0:37:07Is only going to happen if Apple thinks that overall this is better in some way
0:37:11Yeah, and I don't I'm not quite sure I see it especially with the charging and
0:37:17listening at the same time angle.
0:37:19We may or may not have just spent the first hour of the show talking about something that's not happening that I don't even think is
0:37:27going to happen.
0:37:27But I just think that it could because it just sounds like something Apple would do, which is more or less what I said when I
0:37:33blogged about it.
0:37:34I just I just started it just sounds like so appley like we're gonna get rid of this thing that
0:37:39it seems absurd to get rid of and
0:37:41and knowing that it's going to make some people very angry
0:37:45and make everybody else at least mildly annoyed.
0:37:47Yeah. Well, they've been doing it for, you know, they've been doing it since the iMac, right?
0:37:53Yeah. The other whole angle on this, and I've seen tons of people on Twitter,
0:37:57we absolutely have to mention it, can't go on without doing it,
0:38:00would be that the idea that maybe Apple expects people to switch to wireless headphones
0:38:07and that maybe even the default ones that will ship with the iPhone will be wireless
0:38:11and that yes, the you know if you want to use
0:38:16your old headphones you can do it with the dongle if you want to get a new pair
0:38:20of lightning headphones you can do it without a dongle
0:38:22but that the default experience will switch from you know
0:38:26connected headphones to wireless headphones
0:38:30and they would have to ship Bluetooth headphones with
0:38:33every iPhone.
0:38:36I mean, it certainly would be more expensive.
0:38:41My experience with wireless headphones, though, is not perfect.
0:38:47I do like it for some things.
0:38:48I do like it when I go jogging.
0:38:51It really is.
0:38:52There's no configuration of, even not even counting connecting it to an iPhone, but just
0:38:58connecting it to the smallest iPod Nanos that they ever made or whatever the small one is.
0:39:06No way does exercising with a wire connected to your ears is it eventually you're going to get tangled up in it.
0:39:17So for that it's great but there's some problems with it where the latency isn't great.
0:39:23It certainly isn't the instantaneous latency of a wired connection.
0:39:28You know like when you hit the clicker on your ear thing to pause it takes a moment.
0:39:34there's and it's noticeable that it doesn't pause the audio immediately yeah
0:39:38it's a fraction of a second for me now after I've updated the firmware on on
0:39:43these beats ones that I have but it's definitely noticeable every time I
0:39:47notice that every single time because I'm used to I have you know I don't know
0:39:50a lifetime of thinking that as soon as I hit pause my audio pauses I mean that
0:39:55was true even in the cassette era yeah did the beats um skip ever or sort of
0:40:00like stutter every once in a while yeah cuz that's I've got these plantronics
0:40:07ones that I that I like well enough they're fairly comfortable and they stay
0:40:11on real well but yeah I mean they I tried several really cheap Bluetooth
0:40:16headsets and they were well I was really trying to find something that would work
0:40:20with the watch because I wanted to be able to run right you know just like
0:40:23leave the house with just the wearing just the watch and my and my Bluetooth
0:40:27headphones and the cheap ones just did not, you know, this is, there was too much,
0:40:31way too much skipping. I couldn't, it wasn't a good experience at all. So I got
0:40:34these Plantronics ones which are much better, but still every once in a while
0:40:37you get a little skip. Mostly, much more with the watch than with the phone, but
0:40:42even so I think I've gotten a couple, you know, a couple instances with the phone
0:40:46too. Yeah, wanting to go and, you know, if I could just put, if I could have a copy
0:40:51of overcast on my watch and have the actual tele overcast or even I would even maybe even go back
0:40:59to Apple's podcast player if it wasn't possible for third-party apps but if I could have the
0:41:02podcasts on my watch and leave the house with nothing but the watch and bluetooth headphones
0:41:09that would be fantastic because yeah any any possible way of carrying the phone stinks for
0:41:15if you're going out running or something like that yeah yeah um but it's hard now
0:41:20And it's just kind of frustrating because that's one of the things that was one of the first videos.
0:41:26Yeah.
0:41:26Like in the first watch demo, you know, they show these people jogging with headphones.
0:41:33Yeah.
0:41:33It's like, that's not really...
0:41:36Yeah.
0:41:36That didn't really pan out so well.
0:41:38No, and when you... once you get to wireless, the pairing process, no matter how much effort they put into it,
0:41:44is nowhere near as seamless as the pairing process of a wired pair of headphones, right?
0:41:48Oh, yeah.
0:41:48pull it out of this one, stick it into this one,
0:41:51and you're paired.
0:41:52Whereas if your wireless headphones are normally paired
0:41:55with your iPhone, but you wanna just leave and pair,
0:41:58you know, have it with your watch, you've gotta go,
0:42:01I forget what you even do,
0:42:03I think you have to do it on the phone, right?
0:42:04You go over to the phone and launch the Apple Watch app
0:42:07and pair it from there, and then it's unpaired from here.
0:42:09- Yeah.
0:42:10- It's, I don't know, it just seems to me like to make it,
0:42:15to make that work and make it be the default experience
0:42:17that we use for headphones seems like it's not there.
0:42:21And the Bluetooth latency thing,
0:42:22and the skipping and stuff like that is definitely an issue.
0:42:24Amy has a pair that she bought,
0:42:26I forget what brand they were,
0:42:28but she just went to the wire cutter and bought their,
0:42:32here's our recommended pair of Bluetooth headphones,
0:42:36and she just got those.
0:42:38(laughs)
0:42:42She was mad, she wanted Marco to do a wireless headphone
0:42:45thing because she was very upset
0:42:47because they were not good.
0:42:48I think what happened is I think that the wire cutter
0:42:51might be values that cost a little bit more than quality
0:42:55than we do because hers skip a lot.
0:42:59- Weren't they still, weren't those still
0:43:00a couple hundred bucks 'cause I looked at those too?
0:43:02- Yeah, they weren't cheap, that's the other thing too.
0:43:05It wasn't like it was, here's what we recommend
0:43:07'cause it was super low cost,
0:43:08it was sort of a balance between cost and...
0:43:12- Okay.
0:43:13- And the Beats ones I bought were, I don't know,
0:43:16They were like three or $4,000.
0:43:18- Oh my God.
0:43:19(laughing)
0:43:21You're kidding.
0:43:24- Yeah, I'm kidding.
0:43:25- Okay, for a minute there.
0:43:28- I think they were.
0:43:29- I thought that was possible.
0:43:30- I do think that they were 200.
0:43:31- 100 bucks probably.
0:43:32- I think they were like $299 or 249 or something.
0:43:35It felt like I, this is why--
0:43:37- 'Cause I looked at that, yeah.
0:43:38- It felt like as I was cashing out,
0:43:41I bought them in an Apple store just to look at them
0:43:43and I thought, I'll buy these Beats ones
0:43:45because these have come out recently.
0:43:48I think they came out this year,
0:43:49so it was after the Apple acquisition.
0:43:52It's not a very Apple-y product.
0:43:53It's not like Apple has,
0:43:55these were probably designed beforehand.
0:43:56I mean, and they use micro USB, which is real gross,
0:43:59but for the charging.
0:44:02But I figured if the Beats ones don't work right with Apple,
0:44:06and I say this knowing Beats's reputation
0:44:08that the audio quality for Beats headphones of any sort
0:44:11is not that great,
0:44:12and that you're overpaying for the brand.
0:44:15But I just figured if the Beats ones don't work right,
0:44:21which ones will?
0:44:22So I might as well just pay for it.
0:44:24But paying $249 for a pair of these things really felt like
0:44:27I was paying like $4,000.
0:44:30(laughing)
0:44:32- Well, the Plantronics ones were like 90 bucks.
0:44:36And they're okay.
0:44:39- But if even the cheap ones from third parties
0:44:42cost $99, can Apple really afford to?
0:44:46- Well, when I say I bought some cheap ones,
0:44:47I mean, the other ones that I bought were like 30 bucks.
0:44:50They were really cheap.
0:44:52- Wow.
0:44:53- And I don't recommend that.
0:44:55- No.
0:44:56- So I had to go, so I basically, I tried these other ones
0:44:59and I was like, okay, this is a terrible experience.
0:45:01And then I got the Plantronics one, so I tripled my Outlay
0:45:05and was satisfied enough.
0:45:09I mean, so I got the watch and I wanted to be able
0:45:11to do this, you know, running with the headphones.
0:45:13And I, at the time, like back in the spring,
0:45:17I wasn't sure how much I was gonna like the watch.
0:45:21And so I didn't really wanna dump a lot of money
0:45:25on this whole thing.
0:45:26So I wanted, particularly for the headphones,
0:45:30I wanted to pay as little as possible.
0:45:32- Yeah.
0:45:32So I don't know, it seems to me that Apple
0:45:37would have to improve the state of the art considerably
0:45:41to make that possible as the sort of default experience
0:45:44for how we're going to listen to stuff
0:45:46from our iPhones to make wireless.
0:45:48And I say wireless rather than even Bluetooth
0:45:50'cause maybe the way that they would do it
0:45:52would be to use their own wireless.
0:45:55- Airplay?
0:45:57- Yeah, I don't know.
0:45:58- I hope it's not airplay.
0:46:00- Well, but use something other than Bluetooth
0:46:03simply because I honestly don't think
0:46:06Bluetooth is all that good.
0:46:07Like I quipped last month that, you know,
0:46:10the slogan of the Bluetooth consortium is,
0:46:13"Just wait till next year."
0:46:15But it really is, it's been forever.
0:46:17Ever since I first bought my first Bluetooth product,
0:46:22it has always been, you figure it out,
0:46:24you finally get it working,
0:46:26and you realize this isn't that great,
0:46:28and it's kind of finicky, and sometimes it loses.
0:46:31It loses its connection, even when it's right next door
0:46:34to the thing it's supposed to be connected to,
0:46:36and then you go and read about it,
0:46:37and they're like, "Just wait till Bluetooth 2.0.
0:46:39It solves all these problems.
0:46:40And then Bluetooth 2.0 comes out
0:46:42and you realize that it has all these problems
0:46:44and they say, "Just wait 'til Bluetooth 3.0.
0:46:46Just wait 'til Bluetooth 4.0 with low power
0:46:49and stuff like that."
0:46:50But it's, now they're saying,
0:46:53whatever the next Bluetooth is
0:46:55is gonna solve all these problems.
0:46:56I mean, I hope it does someday,
0:46:57but I wouldn't be surprised,
0:46:58I really wouldn't be surprised at all
0:47:00if Apple just goes proprietary on it
0:47:02and figures out their own short range
0:47:05wireless networking thing.
0:47:08That'd be nice.
0:47:10- I don't even know if networking's
0:47:11quite the right way to put it,
0:47:12but you know, wireless connector technology.
0:47:14Just do it on your own.
0:47:16I don't know.
0:47:17- I don't know.
0:47:18My experience though with AirPlay has not been great.
0:47:20So.
0:47:21- I think that that's more complicated though,
0:47:24'cause I think AirPlay is, who knows?
0:47:27- Yeah, it's dependent on a lot of different things, right?
0:47:29I mean, 'cause it has to go through your network and.
0:47:31- Right, and it goes,
0:47:32it's not just Bluetooth or something.
0:47:34It's, you know, goes over the wifi channel
0:47:36and stuff like that.
0:47:37The other thing, but it gets back to charging,
0:47:39and it gets back to, you know, that there's,
0:47:42if you're using wired headphones and sharing the same port,
0:47:45there's a problem, or if you wanna charge it,
0:47:48there's a charging problem with wireless headphones too,
0:47:49which is that your headphones can lose their battery power,
0:47:53and that's a real pain in the ass.
0:47:55And so if your default headphones are wireless,
0:47:59now you're just adding yet another thing
0:48:01that you need to charge to your life.
0:48:04Like, I understand the appeal of,
0:48:06wow, this is yet another thing that I don't need a cable for anymore to use, but on the
0:48:12other hand, now you need another thing that you have to charge all the time.
0:48:17The Beats have decent battery life.
0:48:20It's about what I kind of, I guess, about the best I could have hoped for, but it's
0:48:24not great.
0:48:25I mean, you definitely have to remember, if you use them all the time, you have to remember
0:48:28to charge them a lot.
0:48:31The nice thing about the Plantronics is when you turn it on, and actually I don't think
0:48:35it doesn't work. It should do it when you turn it off, but when you turn it on it tells
0:48:38you how charged it is. It says "battery full" or "battery partially full."
0:48:45It's like the smallest icon anybody's ever created, but when you pair them with your
0:48:49iPhone there's a little charge indicator up in the menu bar.
0:48:55For everything or just for the beats? Oh, maybe it's just for the beats. I thought
0:48:58it was for the beats. Yeah, I don't remember seeing that, but I wasn't looking for it.
0:49:03of a battery that's horizontal, it's a little vertical battery. It is so small that I can't
0:49:09see it if I have my contact lenses in. I can see it, but I can't read how high it goes
0:49:15because I could just tell that there's a little rectangle there.
0:49:20Tim Cynova You sure it's not your detached retina?
0:49:23Dave Asprey No, it's not. Even if I close my bad eye,
0:49:27I just can't make it out if I have my contacts in. If I have my glasses on, I can take my
0:49:31glasses off and then I can see that close but it's just way too small.
0:49:37What's the indicator on your Plantronics? How does it get to suggest how much
0:49:41battery is left? When you turn it, when you power it on, when you put them on and
0:49:45power them on it tells you it talks. Oh, like with a voice? Yeah. Well, what
0:49:52does it say? Battery full. I think it just says connected or headphones
0:49:59connected and then the beat refold that says think it's just something else but
0:50:05camera what it is the beats just play a tone but the tone definitely doesn't
0:50:08change when when you you know given the battery life well anyway coincidence of
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0:53:56What's the other-- there's another rumor
0:54:02that came out today, and it doesn't make any sense.
0:54:06It doesn't make any sense at all to me.
0:54:08So I didn't even know how to write about it.
0:54:09I thought, you know what?
0:54:10If it doesn't make any sense, it's better for the podcast.
0:54:14I say that, but I really mean that.
0:54:16I actually mean that.
0:54:17I find that having a podcast in addition to a blog,
0:54:21the best stuff to talk about on the podcast
0:54:24is the stuff that doesn't make any sense to me.
0:54:27And this is a story--
0:54:28MacRumors picked it up.
0:54:30This is about the-- do you see this with somebody--
0:54:34I don't know who the source is here.
0:54:35But somebody is saying that Apple
0:54:37is working on next generation iPad, MacBook Airs, 13 inch and 15 inch. That'll be coming
0:54:48out.
0:54:4913 inch and 15 inch?
0:54:52I'll send you the link right now, but I'll read it to you. This is information from Taiwan's
0:55:01economic daily news
0:55:05and what they say
0:55:10is
0:55:12apple may be preparing to introduce a revamped macbook air at next year's
0:55:15worldwide developers conference according to taiwan's economic daily
0:55:18news
0:55:19nail a little google translate link to the original if apple holds true to
0:55:22recent history would be that would be in june
0:55:25blah blah blah
0:55:27uh...
0:55:30unclear whether an 11-inch model will also be included. I went to the Google
0:55:35Translate thing and it did seem like that's what the original article which
0:55:38was written in Chinese
0:55:39you know said that it did definitely mention the 11-inch and you know
0:55:43trying to read between the lines of the
0:55:46you know the Google Translate English
0:55:49it seemed like they're saying that it might happen or might not.
0:55:53But they're saying 13-inch and 15-inch sizes. No
0:55:56no other stuff about the specs or anything like that,
0:55:59no news about whether they're retina or not.
0:56:01This whole thing makes no sense to me whatsoever.
0:56:05- No, no, it makes no sense to me either.
0:56:08- Because to me, starting even just with the naming
0:56:12of the MacBook, the one that only has one USB-C port
0:56:17that's for charging and connecting peripherals,
0:56:20which by the way, might be a hint as to how much Apple cares
0:56:25about you having to use some kind of y splitting dongle
0:56:28if you need to charge and listen to something
0:56:30at the same time.
0:56:30But anyway, the name of it,
0:56:34the fact that it is thinner and lighter than a MacBook Air,
0:56:37but they just called it the MacBook,
0:56:39certainly suggests to me that the MacBook Air
0:56:42is only hanging around because it can be sold cheaper
0:56:46than the MacBook.
0:56:47And as the price of making a MacBook drops,
0:56:50eventually the MacBook Airs are gonna go away.
0:56:53It doesn't make any sense to me
0:56:54that they would do a next generation one.
0:56:55- Yeah, yeah.
0:56:56It's very strange.
0:56:59And different sizes.
0:57:01- Yeah, the only thing that would make sense to me
0:57:04would be if, here's the only way
0:57:07that this story makes sense to me,
0:57:08is if they're not talking about MacBook Airs,
0:57:11but instead the devices they're talking about
0:57:13are in fact next generation MacBook Pros.
0:57:16'Cause then 13 and 15 inch are the two sizes.
0:57:21And compared to the MacBook, the current MacBook Pros
0:57:27are rather thick.
0:57:30And it seems like Apple sort of prefers, aesthetically,
0:57:34the teardrop profile for laptops,
0:57:37and that the MacBook Pros, the Retina MacBook Pros in both
0:57:40sizes, have the symmetric rectangular sort of profile,
0:57:45simply because that's the best that they could do at the time
0:57:47to get all the components in to drive the retina screen.
0:57:51So my guess would be if there's any truth to this story,
0:57:54it would be, this would be my guess,
0:57:55is that new MacBook Pros are coming next year
0:57:58and they might go back to,
0:58:00they might go to like an Air style teardrop profile.
0:58:04- Yeah, yeah, 'cause if you go through that
0:58:08and replace Air with Pro, it makes a lot more sense.
0:58:11- Yeah, and I just think marketing-wise,
0:58:13I feel like the current situation
0:58:15where they've got three types of MacBook,
0:58:20even if you just count the pros and the
0:58:24heirs as the same but which size do you want which I think is fair
0:58:28I don't think people are confused by whether they want to 11 in jail 13 in
0:58:32chair
0:58:32or 13 in chair 15 and are fifth 13 inch pro 15 inch pro
0:58:37I I still think though that having to choose
0:58:43that that the the mac book existing alongside the air is just a little bit
0:58:46confusing
0:58:47And I know that there's a, well, do you want a retina screen or, you know,
0:58:51do you want to have the super thin, even more portable size?
0:58:54But it just seems to me like it's all about what price points they can hit.
0:58:58And right now they can't hit that eight 99 starting price with this Mac book.
0:59:02And so the air lives on until it, you know, yeah, until it can.
0:59:07Is the, is the retina screen itself that, I mean, is that the price difference?
0:59:14I mean, is that component
0:59:16that expensive I guess?
0:59:19I think so combined with having a graphics card that can drive it
0:59:24because it has to go, you know, it has to really, you know, from a graphics card
0:59:27perspective it really is more of a 4x
0:59:30difference in performance than a 2x. It's really the
0:59:33total number of pixels not just how many pixels are in
0:59:36an inch in one dimension. I really do think it's
0:59:41you know definitely, definitely expensive. It doesn't seem like they would
0:59:44discontinue the pro and rename it the air.
0:59:48- No, that doesn't make any sense.
0:59:51- That's another logical possibility going through this,
0:59:54but that seems unlikely to me.
0:59:56- Yeah, because you can quibble about some of Apple's
1:00:00product naming strategies,
1:00:02and whether they make sense or not,
1:00:05like the way that the third generation iPad
1:00:08just became the iPad, not the iPad 3, right?
1:00:13Wasn't that when they did that?
1:00:14There was like the iPad, iPad 2, and then iPad.
1:00:18- I think right now we have iPad Mini 2
1:00:23and iPad Mini 4, right?
1:00:25- Yeah, something like that.
1:00:27- There's no iPad Mini 3 on sale.
1:00:31- Right.
1:00:31So like when they decide to just number stuff
1:00:36versus, you know, like, and you know, there's it,
1:00:40the whole thing is a little, I don't know, messy, right?
1:00:44iPads just get a number that increments,
1:00:46even if the form factor stays the same,
1:00:48but the iPhone gets this S every other year.
1:00:53But nothing makes like,
1:00:55nothing goes contrary to common sense,
1:00:58which is what it would be if the iPad,
1:01:02or if the MacBook Pro got renamed the MacBook Air.
1:01:05It's just that that doesn't make any sense,
1:01:08'cause it would be heavier than the regular MacBook.
1:01:13Pro to me says this is more powerful and therefore it's a little heavier.
1:01:19Whereas Air says this is lighter.
1:01:22It also makes sense to me because something like what they intend to call it in marketing
1:01:28is exactly the sort of thing that whatever the sources in Taiwan who told them this would
1:01:32have no access to whatsoever.
1:01:36Because that's just the sort of thing that really doesn't leak out of Cupertino because
1:01:41there's no reason for it.
1:01:42They just know the code name for it.
1:01:46Like the companies in Asia just know something,
1:01:49it's called like N68 or something like that.
1:01:52- Yeah.
1:01:53So what's the current, so the current difference
1:01:57between the Air and the Pro is mostly,
1:02:00is the retina display and--
1:02:04- It's actually very complicated.
1:02:05It's a really, like if you just had to buy one
1:02:08right now today, it's to me a very complicated decision.
1:02:11So aesthetically, the retina screen
1:02:14is the biggest difference.
1:02:15And so if you really want a retina screen,
1:02:16then you're gonna get the regular MacBook.
1:02:18But the Air, even though it's cheaper, is faster.
1:02:22It has higher performance.
1:02:23- Huh, I wasn't aware of that.
1:02:29I guess 'cause I've never looked at,
1:02:30I haven't looked at a MacBook Pro
1:02:32in the interest of buying one in years.
1:02:36- Right.
1:02:38'cause I'm all like, I'm, you know,
1:02:40I've been on the air for a while now, so.
1:02:43And I actually have recently been thinking,
1:02:45ah, that's great, I've got, mine has been,
1:02:47is from 2012, so I'm kind of thinking,
1:02:49it's gonna be time to upgrade soon.
1:02:53This seems like kind of a bad time to do it.
1:02:56- I think it probably is,
1:02:57because I really don't think you wanna buy,
1:02:59you don't wanna buy another MacBook Air
1:03:02without a retina screen.
1:03:03- Right. - Whatever the performance
1:03:04games would be, and they're, you know,
1:03:06three years is pretty significant,
1:03:07but I think you could probably get by until they,
1:03:12at least until you see what they come out with next year.
1:03:15- Yeah, and I don't, yeah, right,
1:03:17'cause I don't wanna get a pro,
1:03:19and I feel like I somehow just have this feeling
1:03:22that the upgrade in next year's MacBook
1:03:26is gonna be significant.
1:03:27- Yeah, you mean the just plain MacBook with no modifier.
1:03:31Right, and I just feel, I don't know, I know nothing.
1:03:34I don't have any information about,
1:03:37Well, I just know nothing in general,
1:03:38but I know nothing about Apple's product plans.
1:03:41I don't ask people to stuff like that anymore.
1:03:45But just common sense-wise, I'm almost certain
1:03:49that there'd be a new MacBook next year.
1:03:50And it's probably going to be a pretty significant upgrade
1:03:53over last year's, because A, last year's
1:03:55had a lot of very obvious flaws.
1:03:57So there's low-hanging fruit of how they can make it better.
1:04:00And B, it's the first generation of anything
1:04:05that Apple is almost certainly to be able to improve it
1:04:07one year over another.
1:04:09It's only when products have been around
1:04:11for three or four revolutions
1:04:13where they might let it sit for 18 months between an update.
1:04:19Because they've gotten so good at doing blank
1:04:23that this is good enough,
1:04:25this is actually gonna be able to be appealing to customers
1:04:30for 18 months or even closer to two years.
1:04:32Yeah.
1:04:33So I don't know.
1:04:37I think if they could make the MacBook better next year
1:04:44and then maybe keep the same one that they started
1:04:47selling last year but drop the price significantly,
1:04:51introduce a new one that's better,
1:04:53keep this one around at a lower price point.
1:04:58Get rid of the error.
1:04:59Yeah, maybe they could get rid of the error.
1:05:00- And especially too, maybe if they could,
1:05:03if they can make the pros thinner,
1:05:07or in teardrops to some degree.
1:05:09- And improve the performance of it.
1:05:12- Right.
1:05:13Maybe like the 13 inch,
1:05:16or maybe the 11 inch air stays around
1:05:20just to hit that 8.99 price point,
1:05:22whatever it is that it starts at today.
1:05:23- Well yeah, it seems like the kind of thing that,
1:05:24right, it would be, you know,
1:05:26what we always call like the educational option,
1:05:30whatever the cheap thing is.
1:05:33Something that you really have to go into the store
1:05:36and ask to see.
1:05:37The starting price is for the MacBook Air right now.
1:05:4311 inch starts at $899 and 13 inch starts at $999.
1:05:47So who knows if the MacBook could drop that much year
1:05:51over year.
1:05:52But maybe it could get close.
1:05:55What's it start at now, $1299?
1:05:58- Yes.
1:06:00- I just loaded the page, but I had to wait
1:06:02for Apple's excellent animation to load
1:06:07before I could find it.
1:06:081299, so yeah, I really doubt that it's gonna go
1:06:15from 1299 to 899 in a year.
1:06:17So I guess the error gets another year.
1:06:20- No, there's no way it's gonna go that low.
1:06:22But they haven't always been that low.
1:06:24- Right, but I think they could set it up in a way
1:06:27where they don't emphasize it that much in the way
1:06:29that they don't really emphasize very much the free iPhone 5S.
1:06:37That they give a lot of publicity to the new ones, the MacBook
1:06:41and the MacBook Pro.
1:06:43And then there's the MacBook Air in the back.
1:06:45Yeah.
1:06:46But for a long time, they started at--
1:06:48I mean, they started at $999.
1:06:52And there may have been even a point where they started at $1,100,
1:06:55the laptops.
1:06:56Oh, definitely.
1:06:57I mean, they used to cost $5,000.
1:06:59- Well, yeah, I mean, I don't mean that long ago, but.
1:07:02And it almost seems like, I don't think they'd be
1:07:06too adverse to going back to 9.99
1:07:08when they have the iPad Pro sitting in the middle.
1:07:13- Right, that's an interesting point
1:07:14that maybe they could get away with actually raising--
1:07:17- Somebody comes in, they only wanna spend X amount,
1:07:20and they say, "Well, how about this?"
1:07:23- Right.
1:07:23'Cause, you know, let's face it,
1:07:25their heart isn't really in the lowest possibly priced
1:07:31products on the internet.
1:07:32That's for sure.
1:07:33Although, I mean, I would say that the MacBook Air of all
1:07:40of them, of all the lowest priced ones,
1:07:44is probably not such a bad machine.
1:07:48No, it's not a bad machine.
1:07:49I just think, though, that being non-retina--
1:07:54- You know, it gets back to the whole argument
1:07:55that we had many times about,
1:07:58hey, what should Apple do with the next generation iPhone?
1:08:01Should they keep the same thickness?
1:08:03It's already so nice and thin,
1:08:05and just miniaturize everything and put more battery in
1:08:08and extend battery life,
1:08:09or should they make the device ever thinner?
1:08:12And Apple tends to lean towards making it thinner,
1:08:14and lots of people wish that they would
1:08:16just make the battery life better.
1:08:17That's exactly, I mean, bottom line,
1:08:19putting the argument about just one USB port aside,
1:08:22I think that's ultimately the biggest complaint
1:08:26people have about the MacBook,
1:08:27is that the Air was thin enough
1:08:29and that they should have just kept
1:08:31making battery life better.
1:08:32- Yeah.
1:08:34Wow, really?
1:08:36People still complain about the MacBook Air battery life?
1:08:39It's pretty good now, isn't it?
1:08:40- Well, it is pretty good, I guess.
1:08:41- Yeah.
1:08:42- But that they, you know, or that they could have--
1:08:44- As someone who does not have a current one, I would--
1:08:46- Well, and maybe with the performance and stuff too.
1:08:48- People don't know how good you have it.
1:08:49- Maybe it's not even battery life,
1:08:51but maybe it comes down to things like performance
1:08:52that they wouldn't have had to go with this low power core M
1:08:55CPU, they could have had to just keep making,
1:08:59just keep that form factor and just switch
1:09:02to a retina display and keep making the performance better.
1:09:06I mean, more or less, I think that what people wanted
1:09:08was for them to do a retina MacBook Air.
1:09:12And it looks, I think it looks like they're never
1:09:14gonna do it this--
1:09:15- No, I wouldn't think so either.
1:09:16- This rumor we're talking about aside, I just don't see it.
1:09:19- No.
1:09:20Yeah, I mean, I agree.
1:09:21I think this is the pro, not the air.
1:09:25- Yeah, it didn't say anything about colors.
1:09:28It'd be interesting to know whether the pro
1:09:29is gonna go with color options for charcoal.
1:09:33What do they call it?
1:09:34No, not charcoal, space gray.
1:09:35- Space gray, yeah.
1:09:37- I would love to have a space gray one.
1:09:39- Yeah.
1:09:41- I don't want, I don't covet the MacBook at all
1:09:43because it's, I want more RAM
1:09:46and I like having a MacBook Pro.
1:09:47But I do covet the way that it looks.
1:09:50I love the Space Gray.
1:09:51- Yeah.
1:09:54Although it starts with eight gigs of RAM.
1:09:59- Yeah, well, I have whatever the most is.
1:10:02I think it's 16.
1:10:03- You got it, okay.
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1:10:06It's all browser tabs.
1:10:10- Must be nice.
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1:12:48What else you got to talk about?
1:12:53What else is going on this week?
1:12:54Maybe I should have something to talk about.
1:12:58- You should, well, do you wanna talk about,
1:13:00you wanna talk about, well,
1:13:02you wanna talk about Star Wars at all?
1:13:03(laughing)
1:13:04- No.
1:13:05- No, okay.
1:13:06I know you don't wanna talk about--
1:13:08- I don't wanna talk about spoilers.
1:13:09Yeah, I know you don't want to talk about spoilers.
1:13:11All right, so if we can do it without talking spoilers,
1:13:13then I will definitely talk about it.
1:13:15Well, OK, so do you have tickets?
1:13:18I do.
1:13:19Oh, definitely.
1:13:20And this is one where I really care,
1:13:23and Amy is sort of vaguely interested, but not like me.
1:13:30And I didn't know you had to pre-order.
1:13:32I'm the dad who no longer understands
1:13:34how movies, theatrical movies, work.
1:13:38I remember when I was young and my dad found out that movies were $5 for a kid's ticket
1:13:44and he couldn't believe it.
1:13:45He just absolutely couldn't believe that it cost $5 to go to a movie.
1:13:50I'm like that now both with prices like when Jonas and I went to see Spectre and I didn't
1:13:58know about this online ordering.
1:14:00It doesn't make any sense to me.
1:14:01It seems to me like if you want to go see – I just assumed that if you want to go
1:14:04go see Star Wars on opening weekend, you got to go, you got to drive somewhere and then
1:14:08you get out and you go wait in a big long line with lots of people. And after you wait
1:14:13in line, you go see the movie. But it turns out what you need to do is buy your tickets
1:14:16in advance. I didn't know this. Amy did and really sort of saved my bacon.
1:14:21So are you, wait, are you saying you cannot buy tickets at the, no, you can't. But I think
1:14:25for opening weekend because yeah, because you'll never get in. Yeah, I don't. I think
1:14:29you'll never get in unless they open,
1:14:32unless they surprise people by having more screenings of it
1:14:36than they're publicizing in advance.
1:14:38- Which they might do,
1:14:40'cause that seems like that would be, I mean,
1:14:43yeah, train.
1:14:45- Although they might pre-sell,
1:14:47maybe you have to figure out the second pre-sale date
1:14:49to get in on those.
1:14:50I mean, it seems as though,
1:14:53it seems like it might, before it even happens,
1:14:56that it might become the biggest box office
1:14:59- Yeah. - opening weekend ever.
1:15:00- I think it's gonna be huge.
1:15:02It's gonna be.
1:15:03So I think I'm out. (laughs)
1:15:06- Oh, 'cause you don't have tickets.
1:15:07- 'Cause I don't have tickets.
1:15:08I don't have tickets yet.
1:15:09Well, so,
1:15:10my son doesn't like going to the movies that much.
1:15:15He doesn't like going out to the movies that much.
1:15:18And so I approached him with the idea of going to that.
1:15:21And he, at first he was going,
1:15:22"Yeah, you know, da, da, da, da."
1:15:24And then when I showed him the trailer,
1:15:27he was a little more interested.
1:15:28So I still haven't gotten like a firm commitment
1:15:32and I'm not exactly sure when we would schedule this event.
1:15:36So I feel like rushing out and buying tickets
1:15:40is like I'm not on an even footing yet.
1:15:42- Yeah, I wonder if there's like a StubHub aftermarket forum
1:15:45like sporting events.
1:15:46Like it seems crazy, but I mean,
1:15:49it's absolutely insane how hard it was.
1:15:52And it was one of those things where I did it
1:15:53the first night that they went on sale at the right time.
1:15:56And really, I must say,
1:15:58only because my wife was like,
1:15:59"Are you gonna buy Star Wars tickets?"
1:16:00And I'm like, "What are you talking about?"
1:16:01And she explained to me and I immediately ran to,
1:16:04I think it's Fandango.
1:16:06- Yeah, yeah. - It's a funny thing to say.
1:16:08And it was like buying an Apple product
1:16:11when they first go on sale,
1:16:12like their website was going down.
1:16:14It was saying ridiculous things like--
1:16:18- Yeah, that was the other thing,
1:16:19like I couldn't actually get on Fandango.
1:16:22- It was saying things like that the movie theater
1:16:25didn't have any tickets available for a certain show.
1:16:28And two minutes after they went on sale,
1:16:30I was like, that can't be.
1:16:31It can't be that they've sold out in two minutes.
1:16:33And in fact, it wasn't, but it was like
1:16:35their back end was just completely blown apart.
1:16:39And then the worst of all any kind of thing like this
1:16:42when you're in like a mad rush to buy tickets
1:16:44is when you get through, you get the tickets you want,
1:16:48and you're going through the process
1:16:51of like signing into Fandango,
1:16:53and then it just says like, an error occurred.
1:16:56(laughing)
1:16:58And you're like, do I have tickets
1:16:59or do I not have tickets?
1:17:01And you don't know.
1:17:02And it's hard to even check if you have tickets
1:17:04because their website is down.
1:17:05And then you go and find out that no,
1:17:07you don't have tickets yet.
1:17:08It was stressful.
1:17:10But I do, I have tickets for,
1:17:12I think it's a 10 o'clock showing on Thursday,
1:17:17the night before it opens.
1:17:19- Before, yeah.
1:17:20- And I've already been told that I will be responsible
1:17:24for taking Jonah's school.
1:17:26(laughing)
1:17:29- Congratulations.
1:17:30You're getting up early.
1:17:33- Yeah.
1:17:34- You're staying up late and getting up early.
1:17:35- And then I got, I think I have Saturday afternoon
1:17:37matinee tickets at a, it seems like a better theater,
1:17:40like a place with reserved seating.
1:17:42- Oh, so you have two sets of tickets?
1:17:46- I have two sets of tickets.
1:17:47I have Thursday night and then Saturday matinee.
1:17:50- I was trying to find it.
1:17:54I was gonna show you one of the things that,
1:17:55you know, when Fandango was going down,
1:17:58were they, one of the images that,
1:17:59which you may have seen or may not have seen,
1:18:01but one of the images that they showed
1:18:02was Han and Chewie working on the Millennium Falcon.
1:18:05So it's like, you know, something's gone wrong,
1:18:11and it's like, you know, Han's got the goggles on,
1:18:14and they're like welding the Millennium Falcon
1:18:17from like, Empire Strikes Back.
1:18:20- That's actually pretty funny.
1:18:21- Yeah.
1:18:22Nicely done.
1:18:24You know, that's one of those things I have to rewatch.
1:18:26I have not rewatched those films in a while,
1:18:29at least ever since it was announced that,
1:18:33hey, Disney's buying Star Wars
1:18:36and we're gonna reboot the franchise,
1:18:38or not reboot, but, which I think would be terrible.
1:18:41That would be like, reboot would be like,
1:18:43we're gonna recast Han Solo.
1:18:44No, that'd be awful.
1:18:47But relaunch it.
1:18:48We're doing the trilogy that everybody always wanted
1:18:52to take place after you know the one that you loved.
1:18:55I immediately just stopped watching all of them
1:18:59and I thought I'll just you know,
1:19:01I'll wait and then whenever this movie actually comes out,
1:19:04you know we'll have like a little family movie weekend
1:19:06then we'll watch all the old ones.
1:19:07So I'm excited to do that.
1:19:11- Including the prequels?
1:19:12- Yeah, I think you have to include them.
1:19:15- God.
1:19:16- I don't know. - It's so hard.
1:19:18- You know that's an interesting thing.
1:19:20I've said this before on the show where it's,
1:19:22I've noticed, and Jonas has been watching him
1:19:25since he was ridiculously young.
1:19:28He's never been a kid who's,
1:19:32he's sort of a very gentle kid in real life.
1:19:34He is not like a, get Rammy and Roughhouse sort of kid.
1:19:40And so he, like dealing with like a violent action movie,
1:19:45if you, even considering Star Wars is sort of violent,
1:19:48has never caused him to like act up in ways.
1:19:51And it's never you know he was afraid of the rank or and oh and he didn't like watching the Wampa
1:19:55He'd run out of the room for that one every time yeah
1:19:57But he you know but he could handle that sort of thing too like you like so if they're like he didn't want to see
1:20:02the Wampa
1:20:04But it wouldn't like keep him up at night or make him cry all it did is when he watched Empire Strikes Back
1:20:09He would just he knew when it was coming and he just ran out of the room
1:20:12And then he just sort of wait until he could hear that it was over and then he'd run back in yeah
1:20:18And he was fine. So we let him watch him early. The thing I noticed was that
1:20:21They all blurred together for him as a kid and maybe you know, I'm sure somewhere if he's listening Syracuse is
1:20:28Really angry at me that I didn't really strategize this aspect of my father that I just let him watch what he wanted to
1:20:36But my theory on that was that I just can't see if if you've got
1:20:40Unlimited access to Star Wars movies that you can watch in your home on a nice TV
1:20:45I just couldn't bring myself to not let him do it.
1:20:49Like, it would have driven me nuts to, when I was a kid, if I could have had all the Star Wars you could eat,
1:20:55to not be able to do it. So I let him do it and it blurred together.
1:21:00And I noticed when he'd play with his friends early, like kindergarten and first grade,
1:21:04A, it impressed me and I really enjoyed the fact that he and his friends were really into Star Wars,
1:21:12Not quite to the way that you and I were back in the day
1:21:15You know the way that really Star Wars was everything to me everything and yeah, and you know
1:21:2377 through 83 or so
1:21:25It was the only thing that mattered
1:21:28It's not quite like that, but they were you know it was more than just you know well this week
1:21:33They're in the Star Wars and the next week. They were into something else
1:21:36They were really into Star Wars for all but it all blurred together for them like they just didn't see to
1:21:41Two trilogies where one was better than another they just see it saw them all and I found that very odd
1:21:48Yeah, that is interesting
1:21:51Hank has never seen the earth the prequels. See you're just like Syracuse. Oh, you're probably a better
1:21:56Well, I started out like that. I started out like no he's not gonna he's not gonna see him
1:22:02and then you know we got through the
1:22:05You know, he's so he's seen all the
1:22:09original movies a few times. Not relentlessly like I have, but he's seen
1:22:14them a few times and then he got really into the Clone Wars, the animated show.
1:22:19He was, and for him that's really his Star Wars, I think. But how do you really
1:22:24like that a lot? So why would you let him watch the the Clone Wars but not watch
1:22:27the prequels? I think the Clone Wars animated show is better than the
1:22:32prequels. In many ways I agree, but I feel like they're of a piece because
1:22:38it's clearly in terms of the timing you know it's it's entirely within the realm
1:22:43of you know Anakin and Obi-Wan you know being the buddy cops yeah but so as well
1:22:53so when Clone Wars ended I thought okay well maybe now in this lull is the time
1:23:00to watch the prequels and I got what I got like a fan at it I thought if I'm
1:23:06I'm gonna do this.
1:23:08I'm at least gonna cut out as much Jar Jar
1:23:10as I possibly can.
1:23:12And so I offered, I said, okay, we can watch the,
1:23:15and he said, nah, I'm okay.
1:23:17- You realize that this is a lot like,
1:23:20it's a lot like a religious cult.
1:23:23(laughing)
1:23:26Right, like where you're raising your son
1:23:31to not believe in Jar Jar.
1:23:33- That's right.
1:23:34Well, I don't think I'm wrong.
1:23:36No jury in the world would convict me.
1:23:38Right, but imagine how this could play out, though,
1:23:41over the decades, where let's say he does agree
1:23:43to watch with you.
1:23:44And you guys watch The Phantom Menace,
1:23:48but you watch your fan edit cut.
1:23:52And I'm not doubting that that fan edit cut is probably
1:23:54a better picture.
1:23:56And it might be a really great experience
1:23:58if you've never seen the Lucas cut.
1:24:01But then imagine like 30 years from now--
1:24:04He sees the Lucas cut.
1:24:05And he's talking to somebody of similar age.
1:24:08And they're like, remember that Jar Jar.
1:24:10And he's like, what the hell are you talking about?
1:24:12- He's only in it for like five minutes.
1:24:14Why are you railing it?
1:24:15Why are you railing it?
1:24:15It's Jar Jar.
1:24:16He's like in the background and he's not even doing anything.
1:24:21Cut out all of his ridiculous antics.
1:24:25- I saw him.
1:24:27- But so he didn't want us, he didn't want us.
1:24:30He was kind of done.
1:24:32And then since like, as I thought,
1:24:34oh well after the rebels thing,
1:24:36the guy was like oh he likes the animated stuff,
1:24:39maybe he'll watch Rebels and now he's like no, no.
1:24:42It's like he's moved, it's like he's moved on.
1:24:44But he might be, he might be coming around
1:24:49to the movie though, so I'm hoping that's gonna happen.
1:24:52- Yeah, maybe Disney might solve this problem for you,
1:24:55but they'll just bombard him with the marketing and--
1:24:58- That's right, yeah, and other kids at school too.
1:25:02- Right, exactly.
1:25:03I think that might happen as well.
1:25:04- But also largely partly due to Disney.
1:25:07I feel like Disney knows how to...
1:25:09Like it's a good thing Disney doesn't try to sell cigarettes.
1:25:13- Yeah, he was in, yeah really,
1:25:16he was in the hospital for a few days and he's fine now.
1:25:20But when he was, well he was sick,
1:25:23and this was just like last month,
1:25:25or no, this is currently still this month,
1:25:27but when this airs, it will have been last month.
1:25:32started watching James Bond movies. Which he had not seen before. And I had offered,
1:25:38I think I had offered once or twice before, but he was not, you know, he had not, he didn't really
1:25:42know enough James Bond to be interested. But I think one of them just ended up being on the
1:25:47hospital TV and he started watching it and liked it. And so we watched, I think we saw three of the
1:25:54Pierce Brosnan, and then we watched both of the Timothy Dalton and a bunch of Roger Moore. And
1:26:00that was as far as we got.
1:26:02But he's seen like now, I mean, you know, in the span of like
1:26:06three weeks he's seen
1:26:10a great swath of James Bond that he had never seen before and he liked him.
1:26:13He thought that and I think because he was sick, so when we got home
1:26:17I showed, I started showing him
1:26:19Casino Royale
1:26:23and
1:26:24I think that
1:26:26it's updated and sort of more realistic
1:26:29tone was not as comforting to him as like the slow pace of the older ones. Like being
1:26:39sick, he wanted something that, you know, Roger Moore running around in pants up to
1:26:46his chest in the 80s was kind of something that was kind of comforting.
1:26:49Yeah, the Roger Moore ones, and again, they're probably in hindsight, and as time goes on,
1:26:54they're my least favorite. But I love them though, because they were the new ones when
1:26:58when I was a kid.
1:27:00And it's funny because to me as a kid,
1:27:04the Roger Moore ones looked just crackled with newness,
1:27:08like just like an unopened package from a company,
1:27:13an unopened Apple product, they just seemed new.
1:27:17And the Connery ones seemed old,
1:27:19like in the way that everything in Star Wars
1:27:22was meant to look old, like the Millennium Falcon.
1:27:24And it's just ridiculous 'cause it was only a difference
1:27:27like 10 years, but I could just see the difference.
1:27:29I could see that the suits that Connery was wearing
1:27:33aren't in style today, whatever year, 1979 or '80
1:27:37or whatever I was watching.
1:27:39I was like, it looks so '60s, it looks ancient.
1:27:42Because it just seemed to me like,
1:27:43like when I was a kid, when I was a 10-year-old kid,
1:27:45the '60s seemed longer ago than they do to me today.
1:27:49'Cause when you're a kid, your sense of time is so acute
1:27:55and your sense of newness and currency and stuff like that.
1:27:59And I just love the more ones.
1:28:01But even in hindsight, now that the more ones look dated
1:28:04and I think probably are the most dated of any of them,
1:28:08'cause they were like the ones that I feel like
1:28:10were just the most faddish.
1:28:12- Yeah, his outfits and a lot of those are just hysterical.
1:28:17Even the earlier ones.
1:28:19I mean, by the time it gets to the 80s,
1:28:21he's just so old that it's kind of painful.
1:28:26- I kind of excuse it because I think the '70s
1:28:29were a really odd decade where it would have been
1:28:34very difficult for them to dress him
1:28:38in a more timeless fashion.
1:28:42Like I feel like you can get away with that
1:28:44in most of the-- - It wasn't cool.
1:28:46- Yeah, and it was so decidedly uncool
1:28:48that it just couldn't be done.
1:28:50But overall, the more ones, to me, they just go down like ice
1:28:55cream on a hot day.
1:28:58You don't have to work to get into them at all.
1:29:02And they don't ask you to accept anything unpleasant.
1:29:07There's a nasty edge to the Connery ones.
1:29:10Certainly in terms of the content, there's nothing that--
1:29:12it's really alarming, and they're not particularly
1:29:14violent because of when they were made,
1:29:15or at least in terms of what's actually shown on screen.
1:29:19But there's a certain nasty undertone to Connery's Bond.
1:29:22Yes.
1:29:23Yeah.
1:29:24Yeah.
1:29:24And Moore's was much more relaxed.
1:29:27I've always said, too, like talking about these,
1:29:29one of the things is that with Moore,
1:29:31he played it in a way that there was a sense that he knew
1:29:36he was James Bond and had already read the script
1:29:39and knew that he was going to-- he knew that no matter what
1:29:41predicament he was in at the moment,
1:29:44hey, I know where the third act ends.
1:29:45I'm in a raft on the ocean with a beautiful girl.
1:29:48(laughing)
1:29:49- It's all gonna be okay.
1:29:50- Yeah.
1:29:51Like he just always played it as a guy
1:29:56who had already read the end of the script
1:29:58and knew where this was going.
1:30:00- There's still, I mean, there's one of them
1:30:02and I can't remember, I wanna say for your eyes only,
1:30:05but like where he slaps the female,
1:30:10- Oh yeah. - The woman around
1:30:14And it's really kind of threatening to her.
1:30:19And then of course they end up.
1:30:22(laughing)
1:30:24It's like, oh come on.
1:30:26- In the sack. - Nice.
1:30:29- Yeah, that's our Nogues.
1:30:30I don't remember which, they blur together.
1:30:33But it might be for your eyes only.
1:30:35And it's a scene that seems,
1:30:39you wouldn't have really thought,
1:30:40well you might have,
1:30:42you would have thought twice about it.
1:30:43but it would have felt natural for Connery's bond to do it.
1:30:48And it really felt out of place with Roger Moore's.
1:30:52Not even that Roger Moore as an actor couldn't do it,
1:30:55but it just didn't go along with the rest
1:30:59of how he played the character.
1:31:01- Right.
1:31:02(laughing)
1:31:06- Just be clear here that you've,
1:31:12Your parenting is such that you've never allowed your son
1:31:15to see the PG--
1:31:18- Yeah, this is why I draw the line.
1:31:20- Jar Jar Binks, you've drawn the line.
1:31:23- That's too far.
1:31:24- James Bond slapping--
1:31:27- Wanton misogyny, A-OK.
1:31:31- Violent misogyny.
1:31:33- Yeah.
1:31:33- That's okay.
1:31:35All right, let me take a break here before we wrap it up.
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1:34:39What else we got?
1:34:41We gotta wrap it up.
1:34:42Seems like somebody asked my answer.
1:34:45>> I think I was actually thinking of the man with the golden gun,
1:34:47just to be clear.
1:34:48>> Yeah, you know what?
1:34:49Now that you say that, that makes sense.
1:34:51That does make sense.
1:34:51>> And the one, what was the other one I mentioned?
1:34:54For your eyes only, is the one that looks like it has incredibly cheap production
1:34:59values.
1:35:00>> Yeah, I think that was one of the- >> I think that's the cheesiest of them.
1:35:03The Man with the Golden Gun ends with a climactic fistfight between Roger Moore and Herve Villages, who was a little person.
1:35:15James Bond chasing a little person around the master bedroom on a yacht.
1:35:21It's also got, see that one has,
1:35:24not only does it have misogyny in it,
1:35:25it has racism played off for laughs
1:35:29because it's got that southern sheriff guy in Thailand.
1:35:35- Right. - Yeah.
1:35:37And some of the things that he says are just awful.
1:35:40God.
1:35:42- Really bad.
1:35:43- It's just terrible.
1:35:44- That was an odd decision to bring that guy back
1:35:48because he was--
1:35:49(laughing)
1:35:50I guess people really--
1:35:53- The racist Southern sheriff was so popular in--
1:35:56- Right. (laughing)
1:35:58Let's bring him back again.
1:36:01- What was he in, what was the first one he was in?
1:36:03It was the one with the Paul McCartney theme song.
1:36:06- Live and Let Die.
1:36:08- Yeah, Live and Let Die.
1:36:10That they had to bring him back.
1:36:12Who they've brought back when they've brought people back
1:36:15is always interesting.
1:36:17I can't believe you don't have Star Wars tickets.
1:36:20- I'm probably gonna regret that,
1:36:21but I'm regretting it already, actually.
1:36:24- Anything else?
1:36:27Trying to think if there's any other news this week.
1:36:29I don't really think so.
1:36:30Little slow.
1:36:31- Did you read, did you see the Frasier Spears post?
1:36:35- No.
1:36:36What was it on?
1:36:37iPad Pro?
1:36:38- iPad Pro, yeah.
1:36:40- Yeah, what did he say?
1:36:41- Let me, let me pull it up here.
1:36:46Can the MacBook Pro replace your iPad?
1:36:48(laughing)
1:36:51It's very clever.
1:36:52- Oh, that's, that's, I can tell where he's going.
1:36:56- Yeah, I mean, the rest of it basically goes
1:36:59(laughing)
1:36:59along those lines.
1:37:01- Oh, I should send, I'm gonna put this
1:37:03in the show notes too.
1:37:04I don't, I forget if I link to this on my site or not.
1:37:07Sometimes it's like when I have something to link to,
1:37:09I forget if I ever get to it or not,
1:37:11if it's not real important, but there was a,
1:37:16This sounds like it's exactly the same sort of thing.
1:37:18It's a review of a gasoline-powered internal
1:37:23combustion engine car from the perspective of a Tesla owner.
1:37:27[LAUGHTER]
1:37:31Oh my god, it is so great.
1:37:33Gas car-- I'll put it in the show notes
1:37:36so you can find it there.
1:37:37OK.
1:37:39This sounds like it's of a similar angle, which
1:37:42is kind of genius.
1:37:44I mean, you've seen a lot of posts about,
1:37:48I mean, particularly because of the things
1:37:50that Tim Cook said about whether or not an iPad Pro
1:37:52can be used for serious work,
1:37:53and you've probably discussed this many times,
1:37:55but it seems like that was something
1:38:00that we settled a long time ago,
1:38:03and people are still trying to make this an argument.
1:38:06- If you're an artist, note-taker, or teacher,
1:38:09you're going to really struggle without the native ability
1:38:12to use an Apple Pencil on the screen.
1:38:14(laughing)
1:38:16Oh, that's good, that's really good.
1:38:19- And how are you gonna use it standing up?
1:38:20You can't.
1:38:22It's very difficult to use a MacBook Pro while standing.
1:38:25Downright dangerous to use one when walking around.
1:38:30- If you are a road warrior,
1:38:34the MacBook Pro's total lack of cellular connectivity options
1:38:37would be a serious hindrance to a proud man.
1:38:39(laughing)
1:38:41That's really good.
1:38:43Alright, I don't think there's anything else.
1:38:48Unless you can think of something.
1:38:53No. We'll show movies for another hour and a half.
1:38:56Yeah, no, maybe not. Maybe next time.
1:38:58Okay, next time.
1:39:00John Moltz, people can get all the Moltz they want on Twitter.
1:39:06And then some.
1:39:07that's @moltz and then they can see your very fine website. Very nice, very nice
1:39:16website. Very also it's also very fine but it's but it's mostly very nice
1:39:19website at verynicewebsite.net. Right and your podcasts, your regular
1:39:26podcasts are... I do 48 podcasts. You know what, Snell's got you beat. Oh yeah, no,
1:39:32there's no competing with Snell. I've got a theory, I wanted to bring
1:39:36Oh, he was just on the show and I thought about it and I just didn't want to I don't want to make him
1:39:40uncomfortable but I did it has occurred to me that Snell might be a uh remember that movie The Prestige?
1:39:46Uh yeah. Yeah and I kind of don't want to spoil it for anybody who hasn't watched The Prestige
1:39:53but I'll just say this. I haven't seen it in a while so I'll have to refresh my memory. Yeah
1:39:56but I think it might be a prestige type scenario if you know what I mean. Okay. It'll make sense
1:40:03to people who've seen the prestige.
1:40:04- Okay, okay.
1:40:05- Or should I just spoil it?
1:40:07(laughing)
1:40:10- No, you're not gonna do it?
1:40:11- No.
1:40:13- All right, then I won't, yeah.
1:40:14- Do you know what though?
1:40:15- You don't want Star Wars spoilers,
1:40:16people don't want the prestige spoilers.
1:40:18- Right.
1:40:20I do think, I should say this before I wrap up,
1:40:22I keep forgetting to do stuff like this.
1:40:24A lot of times I wanna tell people who listen to,
1:40:26I don't wanna talk to you.
1:40:27I get so caught up talking to the guests
1:40:29that I forget to talk to the audience.
1:40:30I wanna talk to the audiences for a second
1:40:32just say that I'm thinking about talking about Spectre
1:40:36on an upcoming show.
1:40:38And it's not going to quite be the old way that it was with Dan
1:40:40where we really do a point by point review of the movie.
1:40:43But there's stuff I want to talk about with that.
1:40:45And I haven't talked about Skyfall either.
1:40:50But I might.
1:40:51And so if you're thinking about--
1:40:53if you want to listen to it while it's fresh,
1:40:57and you've been procrastinating on going to the theaters
1:40:59to see Spectre, you should stop and your homework for the talk show is to go see Spectre.
1:41:04Okay, I'll have to do that.
1:41:07And then no one will be mad when I actually do it.
1:41:09And then they can't.
1:41:12Is it going to be with Jonas?
1:41:15I haven't decided.
1:41:16That's a possibility.
1:41:17I mean, I did go see it with Jonas.
1:41:19It's a possibility.
1:41:20I haven't decided what to do.
1:41:21It's got to be something different.
1:41:22That would certainly be different.
1:41:24That would definitely be different.
1:41:26Not unprecedented he's been on the show before.
1:41:28Yeah.
1:41:29He was pretty young when he did it too, because it was back all the way back with Dan.
1:41:33I have to say this, one time we were at Shake Shack
1:41:37here in Philly, and this was like a year or two ago, and a guy came up and he said
1:41:41"Hey, are you John Gruber?" And then I was like "Yeah, yeah."
1:41:45And he was like "Oh, I love your podcast." And he turned right to Jonash and he goes "And you were great on the podcast."
1:41:49That was one of my favorite episodes that I've ever had.
1:41:53And it was a very nice guy and it wasn't weird at all. He did it very, very good.
1:41:57That's very cool.
1:41:58That's nice.
1:41:59Yeah.
1:42:00Do you see this thing?
1:42:01I got one more thing.
1:42:02Do you see the thing with the Amazon, their new thing with the Prime Air drone?
1:42:07No.
1:42:08Oh, I have to put it in the show notes.
1:42:12They've released a YouTube video and they've got... showing their latest generation actual
1:42:21working prototype Prime delivery drone.
1:42:25Oh, this is their Cyber Monday thing or or I guess but it's it's kind of cool. What's cool, too
1:42:30I don't know how close they are to legally being allowed to
1:42:33To actually use this but they're saying that what is actually shown in the video
1:42:37It's not like they've it's like a CGI or anything. It's an actual device doing what they're saying is being done in the video
1:42:43Which in and of itself is cool because it's you know, it's a real thing
1:42:47But the really cool thing I thought and really interesting is that the video is narrated by Jeremy Clarkson
1:42:54the ex-Top Gear host who had a couple of drinks and a steak and punched his producer.
1:43:05It happens. You know what? It does happen. It does. I don't know. I still feel like with that
1:43:13story and then they had what they call in England, they sacked him because he punched his producer.
1:43:19I say though, you don't know. I don't know that we've ever gotten a full story on that. There are
1:43:24of times when somebody needs a punch. So, who knows? You do not know what he was driven to.
1:43:29You don't know. But it makes for a great video, though, because obviously part of what made that
1:43:34whole thing sensational is that Top Gear is a well-deserved and much beloved TV show.
1:43:39And this video is sort of done with that same sort of style. And, you know, it just has--it's
1:43:46not just because he's hosting it. It just has that same sort of feel and touch. And it really--it's
1:43:51It's something I never even considered when I found out
1:43:54that Amazon had won the bidding to get Jeremy Clarkson
1:43:58to do an, I guess it's still as yet unnamed,
1:44:01car show for Prime Video, or whatever they call their
1:44:06video service for subscribers.
1:44:08When they did that, I thought, okay,
1:44:11so now they're gonna get what used to be called Top Gear,
1:44:13they're gonna get it, you know,
1:44:15and you have to be a Prime subscriber to see it.
1:44:17I'm looking forward to seeing it.
1:44:19Didn't really occur to me that they would take use of that
1:44:21and sort of turn him into like an in-house spokesperson
1:44:25and the same video team and to be able to do that,
1:44:28which is incredibly valuable 'cause it's so good.
1:44:32It's so well done.
1:44:33I'll put the video in the show note,
1:44:34but it's really, really good.
1:44:36It's not just interesting like, wow,
1:44:38they have a robot that can fly through the air
1:44:39and drop packages at your house, which is a cool idea,
1:44:43but I really think it's fascinating to me now
1:44:45that Amazon has the top gear host and production team
1:44:49an in-house marketing team. It really ups the value of their stuff.
1:44:54I don't know if there's a rumor or what, but Amazon's Prime Video
1:45:00is now coming to the Apple TV? Yeah, yeah. If we prepared for the show at all.
1:45:06Right, right, right. We could have talked about that for an hour.
1:45:10We'll just drop that at the end. Long story short, somebody wrote to Amazon to
1:45:14complain about the fact that there's no Prime Video app on Apple TV and they got
1:45:19And the answer that didn't seem to go through like any sort of official channels, but somebody sits at Amazon ropak and said that we're working on it
1:45:26Which if true is good to know
1:45:30But I took that with a huge grain of salt because it did not seem to come from
1:45:34It just didn't write to me. It seemed like somebody who was just like well like, you know
1:45:40We're working on it. We are if we have an iPad app, I guess we're having I don't know could happen
1:45:47But anyway, who knows I guess it's more hope though than we've had before so it would be nice
1:45:51Yeah, they did it because there's good stuff on Amazon that you know is exclusive, right?
1:45:55What do they call this thing prime prime air video with Jeremy Clarkson, so I'll put that in the show notes - that's pretty good
1:46:04All right, John, thank you very much. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Okay, but but
1:46:12Bye.
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