The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► Did you hear something just go ping?

00:00:02 ◼   ► - No. - Good.

00:00:04 ◼   ► (both laughing)

00:00:06 ◼   ► - How's the new setup working?

00:00:09 ◼   ► - It's great, it comes with all these dials.

00:00:12 ◼   ► See, that's my old setup.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My old setup was just a mic and then add a USB

00:00:19 ◼   ► and the USB goes in your computer and that is it.

00:00:22 ◼   ► There's nothing else.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Oh, do you have like a preamp?

00:00:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, this one has, here's the box right here.

00:00:34 ◼   ► It's an Onyx Blackjack Premium 2x2 USB recording interface

00:00:40 ◼   ► from Mackie, and it's got a bunch of these dials and stuff.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Looks serious, I mean, it makes me feel very professional.

00:00:49 ◼   ► It's a very nice piece of equipment,

00:00:51 ◼   ► but now I've got all these dials to turn.

00:00:53 ◼   ► Marco told me how to set it up.

00:00:55 ◼   ► He just sent me a picture and just said,

00:00:57 ◼   ► just turn all the dials like this.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I did that.

00:01:00 ◼   ► All right.

00:01:03 ◼   ► - Man, that thing, wow.

00:01:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:06 ◼   ► Really, you have the one that's on Amazon?

00:01:08 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:10 ◼   ► How many dials?

00:01:11 ◼   ► - Well, this one's six, like all of them.

00:01:14 ◼   ► This one has all of them.

00:01:15 ◼   ► - No, this one is--

00:01:17 ◼   ► - The one I'm looking at has like 120 dials.

00:01:20 ◼   ► - No, no, no, this one has five dials, two inputs,

00:01:23 ◼   ► something for the monitor, and then--

00:01:27 ◼   ► This looks like one of your bad interfaces of the day.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Or the week or whatever.

00:01:34 ◼   ► It looks like an Access database gone wrong.

00:01:38 ◼   ► - Are you sending it by Skype or are you sending it?

00:01:42 ◼   ► Oh, I see it, I see it.

00:01:44 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:01:51 ◼   ► If that had shown up, if I had just done what Marco said

00:01:53 ◼   ► and this had shown up at my door, I would have just...

00:01:56 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, it would've been very cinematic.

00:02:01 ◼   ► It would've been one of those things

00:02:02 ◼   ► where I would've opened,

00:02:03 ◼   ► you know, you open the cardboard box from Amazon,

00:02:05 ◼   ► and then I would've seen this,

00:02:07 ◼   ► and then I would've just set the box down,

00:02:09 ◼   ► and I would've gotten my keys.

00:02:11 ◼   ► - Wiped into the ocean.

00:02:13 ◼   ► Just started driving.

00:02:16 ◼   ► - Just drive right to the Atlantic Coast.

00:02:18 ◼   ► - Oh, so you, okay, so you have the Onyx Blackjack 2x2.

00:02:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, oh god, if I got this, I'd just kill myself.

00:02:25 ◼   ► That's more manageable.

00:02:28 ◼   ► - You know what though, to me it looks like

00:02:30 ◼   ► it might as well be this.

00:02:31 ◼   ► This.

00:02:32 ◼   ► - Well it's five more dials than you're used to having.

00:02:36 ◼   ► - It's five more dials than I can handle.

00:02:39 ◼   ► - It's five times as complicated

00:02:40 ◼   ► as what you were using before.

00:02:42 ◼   ► - I don't know if it's because I'm getting older.

00:02:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:02:48 ◼   ► I think maybe it's a little bit of column A,

00:02:50 ◼   ► a little bit of column B.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Like I don't think I've ever been very smart

00:02:53 ◼   ► about dealing with complex interfaces.

00:02:55 ◼   ► But you know, it's like with the Apple Music stuff,

00:03:00 ◼   ► you know, and the iCloud photo library and stuff.

00:03:04 ◼   ► I need it to be one dial.

00:03:06 ◼   ► I like, you know, I like one dial.

00:03:09 ◼   ► - Right.

00:03:10 ◼   ► - So I don't know.

00:03:11 ◼   ► But you say I sound good, so we'll take it.

00:03:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, no, I think so.

00:03:14 ◼   ► What do I know?

00:03:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, you've got crackerjack ears, right?

00:03:18 ◼   ► - (laughs) Right.

00:03:21 ◼   ► I am not, no.

00:03:24 ◼   ► I've actually been struggling.

00:03:25 ◼   ► I bought a couple of Bluetooth headphones

00:03:29 ◼   ► when I got the Apple Watch.

00:03:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:03:32 ◼   ► - And was gonna write up a thing about it,

00:03:33 ◼   ► but I just don't even feel like I can do it

00:03:35 ◼   ► because I don't, first of all,

00:03:37 ◼   ► neither one of them is good, so.

00:03:40 ◼   ► - Which ones do you get?

00:03:41 ◼   ► - So I don't feel like I have a recommendation.

00:03:42 ◼   ► I got cheap ones, I got really cheap ones,

00:03:43 ◼   ► and I feel like I, and that's the other thing,

00:03:45 ◼   ► is I feel like I should try one that's like 100 bucks

00:03:46 ◼   ► 'cause I got ones that were like 30,

00:03:49 ◼   ► and they're terrible.

00:03:51 ◼   ► So it's like, so far that's the only advice I have

00:03:54 ◼   ► is don't buy ones that are $30,

00:03:56 ◼   ► which I don't feel like is great advice.

00:03:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know if you remember,

00:04:00 ◼   ► I would, when Joanna Stern was on a few weeks ago,

00:04:05 ◼   ► back in April, we were talking about it.

00:04:06 ◼   ► We both bought the same ones, these Beats ones,

00:04:08 ◼   ► which are overpriced.

00:04:09 ◼   ► I mean-- - Yeah, right.

00:04:11 ◼   ► That's what I've heard too, so I didn't wanna buy those.

00:04:14 ◼   ► But do those work okay?

00:04:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Well, the thing was is that we both were complaining

00:04:20 ◼   ► about latency and then it was a follow-up a week or two later some kind

00:04:24 ◼   ► listener of the show was like dude you got to get the firmware update and I'm

00:04:28 ◼   ► like firmware update for headphones I mean what the hell is that but it was

00:04:31 ◼   ► honest-to-god truth you go to beats audio and you tell them you got the

00:04:34 ◼   ► beats whatever they're called Bluetooth and then you you get a download and once

00:04:41 ◼   ► you got once I got the download and installed it it really did it I wouldn't

00:04:44 ◼   ► say it fixed the latency because I'm still you know I'm used to the zero

00:04:48 ◼   ► latency of a wired headphone. Right. But it's the latency after installing the

00:04:53 ◼   ► software update on these on these beats was like what you would expect from

00:04:57 ◼   ► Bluetooth headphones. You know it's there's like a fraction of a second

00:05:01 ◼   ► latency but it's reasonable. Yeah. Well one of these would not was skipping and

00:05:09 ◼   ► the other one the other one was and I wanted him for running the other one was

00:05:12 ◼   ► rattling.

00:05:13 ◼   ► So.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Well, I do think Marco tweeted the other day, asked if anybody running iOS 9 beta is experiencing

00:05:25 ◼   ► like some skips and fallouts with Bluetooth headphones.

00:05:29 ◼   ► And I hadn't really thought about it, but I think I was.

00:05:32 ◼   ► I think I am.

00:05:33 ◼   ► And so it's like the beauty of you switching to Bluetooth headphones is that now you're

00:05:39 ◼   ► are susceptible to software bugs and regressions.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Like we've taken this--

00:05:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's been more complicated.

00:05:46 ◼   ► - We've taken this thing that worked perfectly

00:05:49 ◼   ► since before we were born, right?

00:05:52 ◼   ► Like 1970, whatever, when we were born,

00:05:55 ◼   ► or for you, '68, whatever the hell it is,

00:05:58 ◼   ► there were headphones, you plugged them in,

00:06:00 ◼   ► and then you hear what you're supposed to hear,

00:06:01 ◼   ► and it works, right?

00:06:03 ◼   ► Until you step on the headphones or something.

00:06:05 ◼   ► And now we've replaced it with something

00:06:07 ◼   ► that when you upgrade your operating system,

00:06:09 ◼   ► maybe your headphones don't work so good.

00:06:11 ◼   ► - You need a firmware upgrade.

00:06:12 ◼   ► - Right, you need a firmware update.

00:06:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, you must have had speakers

00:06:18 ◼   ► with that big jack, right?

00:06:19 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Headphones, I mean.

00:06:23 ◼   ► - No, well, now I have a new pair that I'm wearing

00:06:25 ◼   ► as we speak right now because--

00:06:28 ◼   ► - Oh, they probably, yeah, this thing

00:06:30 ◼   ► has that big jack, doesn't it?

00:06:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so Marco said-- - I'm seeing that right now.

00:06:33 ◼   ► - Marco told me I had it, he was like,

00:06:35 ◼   ► "You have an adapter for that."

00:06:36 ◼   ► I'm like, well, I'm sure I do,

00:06:38 ◼   ► but who the hell knows where it is?

00:06:40 ◼   ► And he goes, well, then you should get new headphones too.

00:06:42 ◼   ► So now I'm wearing a pair

00:06:43 ◼   ► of Marco approved headphones as well.

00:06:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:06:48 ◼   ► - Well, thanks to cleaning out my basement,

00:06:49 ◼   ► I know exactly where my adapter is.

00:06:51 ◼   ► - Really?

00:06:54 ◼   ► You organized that stuff? - Yeah, I saw it.

00:06:55 ◼   ► I saw it, yeah.

00:06:56 ◼   ► It's one of those big coiled,

00:06:58 ◼   ► it's a long cable,

00:07:00 ◼   ► and it's one of those springy cables too.

00:07:02 ◼   ► So I could walk around.

00:07:04 ◼   ► because you know back in the day you wanted to listen to music and walk around

00:07:08 ◼   ► the room and do stuff and boy could I do that that was what that was that was

00:07:12 ◼   ► Bluetooth headphones back then it was a really really long cable because you

00:07:17 ◼   ► couldn't move your stereo oh but you still needed to move around and it

00:07:21 ◼   ► wasn't like you could put it in your pocket I mean that was like you know I

00:07:25 ◼   ► probably had that I probably got that thing before you know I probably had

00:07:28 ◼   ► that I probably had headphones for that kind of jack before there was before the

00:07:32 ◼   ► Walkman came out.

00:07:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, nice big fat headphones.

00:07:35 ◼   ► So anyway, yeah, rather than buy a $2 adapter,

00:07:38 ◼   ► I bought a $200 pair of headphones.

00:07:40 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:07:42 ◼   ► No, but in my defense, the headphones I had been wearing

00:07:47 ◼   ► were, they still work, and so I can't say that they're,

00:07:52 ◼   ► you know, somewhere my depression-era grandparents

00:07:54 ◼   ► are coming out of the grave to kill me.

00:07:57 ◼   ► But they still work, but they date back

00:08:01 ◼   ► to like when I was doing the show with Dan Benjamin.

00:08:04 ◼   ► I mean, they're pretty old.

00:08:05 ◼   ► And the leather on the thing that goes over your head

00:08:08 ◼   ► is all peeling off.

00:08:09 ◼   ► I guess it's not even leather.

00:08:10 ◼   ► It's quote, unquote leather.

00:08:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, that happened to me.

00:08:15 ◼   ► - Right, and so like every time I record a show now

00:08:17 ◼   ► or until I got these new headphones--

00:08:19 ◼   ► - Little things are falling out of your hair.

00:08:20 ◼   ► - Well, when I was done with the show,

00:08:22 ◼   ► the first thing I would do would be like to shake my hair

00:08:25 ◼   ► and get all the flakes of leatherette out.

00:08:29 ◼   ► So I thought why not splurge and get a new set of headphones.

00:08:32 ◼   ► - You're worth it.

00:08:33 ◼   ► You deserve it after how many years of podcasting?

00:08:37 ◼   ► - Like a year, two years.

00:08:40 ◼   ► - Oh, well, this show, right?

00:08:42 ◼   ► This version of the show.

00:08:44 ◼   ► - No, this show has gotta be up to three years now, right?

00:08:47 ◼   ► 'Cause this is episode 127.

00:08:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, so how does that, yeah.

00:08:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, three years.

00:08:52 ◼   ► - Oh my God, we're old.

00:08:53 ◼   ► - Everything's old.

00:08:58 ◼   ► So what else is going on?

00:09:01 ◼   ► So do you have, well you probably talked about music on like 20 other podcasts by now.

00:09:07 ◼   ► Well you know what though we should talk about though. I talked about it with Dalrymple and it was the day that Jim posted his "Well I Lost 4700 Songs"

00:09:18 ◼   ► And then the show went into editing I think we're I don't know when but it wasn't gonna air for like four days

00:09:25 ◼   ► And in the meantime, you know, he got called into Apple and he wrote like a follow-up and he straightened it out

00:09:30 ◼   ► And so, you know, it was his call but he you know

00:09:33 ◼   ► He's like I'm gonna take some of the music stuff out cuz it's not relevant, you know

00:09:36 ◼   ► It's a the danger of recording a podcast as opposed to live broadcasting

00:09:40 ◼   ► I thought it was funny, but he took some of that out

00:09:43 ◼   ► but we could that we should definitely talk about cuz I don't even know what the hell he took out but

00:09:47 ◼   ► I mean have you what's your experience been like anything like his or I have hardly done anything with it. That's the thing

00:09:54 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, we were on vacation when it first came out and I signed up for it

00:09:58 ◼   ► So who knows maybe my music is gone. I don't know. I haven't looked but I

00:10:02 ◼   ► Signed I signed up with for it, you know

00:10:08 ◼   ► Cuz it's free for a couple of months and I wanted to try the radio stuff out which is new to me

00:10:14 ◼   ► I mean, I'm you know, I'm the old guy who'd never tried the streaming stuff. Yeah, I guess I've tried Spotify

00:10:20 ◼   ► But it didn't really stick for me

00:10:23 ◼   ► And I tried the radio but it's it. I don't know. I haven't really done anything

00:10:30 ◼   ► It seems like all my music is still there

00:10:32 ◼   ► But I am terribly confused though because I'm I'm another one of these people where I do pay for iTunes match

00:10:37 ◼   ► I do have thousands of songs that I ripped from CDs

00:10:43 ◼   ► But now I've got the Apple music right what about you?

00:10:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, but I well I didn't count my songs before I

00:10:51 ◼   ► Join the service so I have no I have no way of knowing

00:10:56 ◼   ► If anything's missing or not actually as far as I can tell I mean other than going back and looking for specific songs

00:11:03 ◼   ► Which I'm not gonna do so I have not I can't say that I've experienced any loss of things that I

00:11:10 ◼   ► brought to the table

00:11:13 ◼   ► And the funny thing is about Jim's post was that I had used it and kind of liked it.

00:11:19 ◼   ► I mean, I liked listening to the curated playlists and I liked listening to the radio stuff.

00:11:27 ◼   ► And then I kind of just forgot about it a little bit.

00:11:30 ◼   ► Because that's kind of the way I've been using streaming services anyway.

00:11:36 ◼   ► I have these playlists that I make of music that I own and I usually end up listening

00:11:40 ◼   ► to those.

00:11:41 ◼   ► And then when I get bored with those, I'll go out and do discovery through some streaming

00:11:46 ◼   ► service basically.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Just say, "Okay, here's some songs that I like, play me some other stuff that's like

00:11:51 ◼   ► this stuff."

00:11:52 ◼   ► And then usually what I do is I go out and I buy the stuff that I like, just because

00:11:55 ◼   ► I'm 110 years old.

00:11:58 ◼   ► So I had kind of like, you know, I'd gone into that other that phase again where I was

00:12:03 ◼   ► just listening to things that I owned, and then Jim's post reminded me, "Oh yeah, Apple

00:12:08 ◼   ► Music is out there."

00:12:09 ◼   ► And I went back and I tried it again.

00:12:11 ◼   ► I mean, I agree that the interface is kind of confusing.

00:12:14 ◼   ► Like, I really don't quite understand the difference

00:12:16 ◼   ► between some of the tabs.

00:12:18 ◼   ► But I do like it for music discovery quite a bit.

00:12:23 ◼   ► I think the playlists are good.

00:12:25 ◼   ► And I generally find something that I

00:12:28 ◼   ► want to keep anytime that I start listening to it

00:12:32 ◼   ► for any extended period of time.

00:12:34 ◼   ► And then the other thing that I recently just tried,

00:12:37 ◼   ► which I hadn't tried the time before, was picking a song

00:12:40 ◼   ► and then telling it to make a channel off that song,

00:12:45 ◼   ► which I think works really well.

00:12:47 ◼   ► So as far as for using it for music discovery,

00:12:51 ◼   ► I really kind of like it.

00:12:52 ◼   ► And then the other thing that I like about it

00:12:54 ◼   ► is because I do so many playlists,

00:12:56 ◼   ► because I manage my playlists myself,

00:13:00 ◼   ► it will sync those through the cloud now.

00:13:02 ◼   ► So I don't have to sync back and forth between my phone

00:13:06 ◼   ► and the Mac where my music is on to get the playlist on there.

00:13:11 ◼   ► Yeah, see, I haven't done playlists in years.

00:13:14 ◼   ► Really?

00:13:15 ◼   ► No, I swear.

00:13:16 ◼   ► You just, what do you do?

00:13:18 ◼   ► You just pick songs that you want to listen to immediately?

00:13:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know, for the most part.

00:13:23 ◼   ► I don't really listen to a lot of music,

00:13:25 ◼   ► is the realization that I have come to.

00:13:29 ◼   ► It's not a service for you.

00:13:30 ◼   ► I am really looking forward to it.

00:13:34 ◼   ► I wanna get it in my car somehow.

00:13:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, that would be nice.

00:13:40 ◼   ► - I need like a new car, I guess.

00:13:42 ◼   ► - Is that what you, yeah, 'cause I have,

00:13:43 ◼   ► I mean, I basically, 'cause I have my phone in my car,

00:13:45 ◼   ► I have it in my car.

00:13:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I can put my phone in my car,

00:13:49 ◼   ► but I can't really hook my phone up to my car.

00:13:51 ◼   ► - Okay, well, you might just need a new stereo.

00:13:54 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, but-- - You don't necessarily,

00:13:57 ◼   ► no, I know you went out and bought a $200 pair of headphones,

00:14:00 ◼   ► but you don't necessarily have to go out and buy a new car.

00:14:04 ◼   ► - Again, it'd be a lot easier to just buy a new car

00:14:07 ◼   ► that had a Lightning jack.

00:14:10 ◼   ► - Honey, I need to get Apple Music in the car,

00:14:14 ◼   ► so we're gonna have to buy a new car.

00:14:16 ◼   ► - Here, sign this.

00:14:20 ◼   ► - Co-sign this lease with me.

00:14:23 ◼   ► - Co-sign?

00:14:28 ◼   ► - Oh, she's the only name on it?

00:14:31 ◼   ► - I'm putting the whole thing on her.

00:14:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:14:35 ◼   ► I thought that the...

00:14:42 ◼   ► - So you got your license back is what you're saying.

00:14:46 ◼   ► - Oh, I did, I got that back a couple years ago.

00:14:48 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:14:49 ◼   ► - I think it's such an ambitious undertaking,

00:14:55 ◼   ► the whole Apple Music thing, and I totally understand the...

00:15:02 ◼   ► the one foot on the shore, one foot on the boat,

00:15:05 ◼   ► it's kinda hard to make this shift

00:15:06 ◼   ► from being a download-focused service

00:15:09 ◼   ► that you don't wanna just pull the plug on

00:15:11 ◼   ► and that you still wanna support.

00:15:13 ◼   ► So if people do just wanna buy albums,

00:15:16 ◼   ► you can still do it to this new streaming thing.

00:15:20 ◼   ► I totally realize how complex this is.

00:15:22 ◼   ► And I agree with you that on the content side,

00:15:25 ◼   ► I think they nailed it.

00:15:26 ◼   ► I think from everything I've heard,

00:15:29 ◼   ► people really like these stations,

00:15:31 ◼   ► the ones that are human curated.

00:15:33 ◼   ► People really like--

00:15:34 ◼   ► - People even like Beats 1.

00:15:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly. - Which I don't,

00:15:37 ◼   ► I can't bear.

00:15:39 ◼   ► I mean, to me, that's like,

00:15:40 ◼   ► that was the whole purpose of this digital music process

00:15:44 ◼   ► was to get away from that kind of thing.

00:15:45 ◼   ► Like, I don't wanna hear somebody talking.

00:15:47 ◼   ► So it's not for me, but I'm kind of amazed

00:15:50 ◼   ► that so many people seem to like it.

00:15:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, to me, I think it's sort of trying to be

00:15:56 ◼   ► what MTV was in the '80s.

00:15:59 ◼   ► It's, you know, here's what everybody's listening to,

00:16:02 ◼   ► where everybody is people who care about new music.

00:16:05 ◼   ► But you know what I mean?

00:16:06 ◼   ► Like when we were in the '80s,

00:16:08 ◼   ► there was just one MTV, that was it.

00:16:10 ◼   ► And like, you know, the top 10 countdown every day

00:16:15 ◼   ► at five o'clock or whatever time it came on,

00:16:17 ◼   ► we'd play everything from Motley Crue to Madonna

00:16:21 ◼   ► to Lionel Richie, you know,

00:16:24 ◼   ► there were, it wasn't really segregated by genres.

00:16:28 ◼   ► It was just here's popular music,

00:16:30 ◼   ► everything from heavy metal to dance music

00:16:33 ◼   ► or whatever you wanna call it.

00:16:35 ◼   ► And here's what's new.

00:16:37 ◼   ► And I feel like that's sort of what they're trying

00:16:39 ◼   ► to do with Beats 1.

00:16:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's what it seems like.

00:16:43 ◼   ► - But on the flip side, somebody has to make an app

00:16:47 ◼   ► that presents all this.

00:16:49 ◼   ► And I do think it's kind of complicated.

00:16:51 ◼   ► And the other complaints that I've heard from some people,

00:16:55 ◼   ► And maybe it's just the nature of the sort of people

00:16:58 ◼   ► who like to read my stuff, that it's picky people.

00:17:03 ◼   ► But the thing that seems to drive some people really crazy

00:17:06 ◼   ► is that if you don't sign up for Apple Music

00:17:09 ◼   ► and you're not even interested in it,

00:17:11 ◼   ► the new music app is like,

00:17:15 ◼   ► there's tabs that just don't apply to you anymore.

00:17:19 ◼   ► And the other thing I know that people have complained about

00:17:24 ◼   ► is when you do sign up for Apple Music,

00:17:26 ◼   ► it puts my music last in the tabs.

00:17:30 ◼   ► - Right.

00:17:31 ◼   ► - And I thought that was sort of like a weird thing

00:17:34 ◼   ► to complain about.

00:17:35 ◼   ► It's sort of like, is the rightmost tab

00:17:38 ◼   ► the least important tab?

00:17:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:17:40 ◼   ► But I brought that up to my wife and Amy agreed.

00:17:43 ◼   ► She was like, oh yeah, that kind of,

00:17:44 ◼   ► to me she thought that implies

00:17:46 ◼   ► that's the least important thing in the app.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Whereas it's really, it might be for you,

00:17:51 ◼   ► depending on the size of your music library,

00:17:53 ◼   ► you might have like 40 or 50 gigabytes of music

00:17:56 ◼   ► and it's all stuffed into one tab in the lower right.

00:17:59 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, I mean the nice thing,

00:18:02 ◼   ► one of the improvements that I found was going in

00:18:05 ◼   ► and you can turn off connect

00:18:07 ◼   ► in, what is it, it's like restrictions, I think?

00:18:13 ◼   ► 'Cause it's sort of a, you know, it's like,

00:18:17 ◼   ► you don't want your kid,

00:18:18 ◼   ► you want your kid to have the iPod touch

00:18:19 ◼   ► but you don't want your kid to see like musicians swearing

00:18:22 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:18:23 ◼   ► I guess that's what that's for but you can turn off connect and then when you turn off connect it puts the playlist tab in

00:18:29 ◼   ► the spot where connect is hmm

00:18:31 ◼   ► so that was kind of nice that actually made it a lot better because since I

00:18:35 ◼   ► You know use playlists so much

00:18:37 ◼   ► And you don't really man

00:18:41 ◼   ► If you don't really connect that often and I really can't that often right? I never leave the house

00:18:47 ◼   ► So why would I need connect?

00:18:50 ◼   ► I haven't really that's one of the things I haven't really heard anybody follow up on like is connect working

00:18:55 ◼   ► Is it is are people using it? Is it taking off?

00:18:59 ◼   ► Is it really just is it or is it is it ping all over again and nobody's using it or is it somewhere in between?

00:19:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I haven't seen anybody even talk about it really no not since it came out

00:19:11 ◼   ► It just it seems like it's just like kind of a blog for the artists

00:19:18 ◼   ► In a way, I mean they just seem to post

00:19:21 ◼   ► Where they are post some pictures and maybe a little commentary

00:19:27 ◼   ► But I

00:19:31 ◼   ► Didn't find it very interesting or useful at this point anyway

00:19:34 ◼   ► And they had they had written something about like saying that they were you know

00:19:38 ◼   ► They were gonna bring more to it later

00:19:40 ◼   ► But at this point it was not really it's just not the kind of thing that I'm interested in. Yeah

00:19:48 ◼   ► So are you an iTunes match customer?

00:19:51 ◼   ► - No, I haven't been.

00:19:52 ◼   ► So I don't know if that makes it better.

00:19:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, I feel like that's sort of the point.

00:19:58 ◼   ► I feel like that's-- - The crux of the problem.

00:19:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, or the perfect storm of the problem.

00:20:01 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:20:02 ◼   ► And it never worked that well, I don't know.

00:20:05 ◼   ► I think I was telling, see this is one of those things,

00:20:07 ◼   ► I don't know if it got cut,

00:20:08 ◼   ► but I'll just tell the story again,

00:20:09 ◼   ► where Amy, where iTunes,

00:20:11 ◼   ► I forget if you can even sign up for a family plan there,

00:20:13 ◼   ► but Amy has, I don't know how many gigabytes of music,

00:20:18 ◼   ► but she's got enough music where it's like her total,

00:20:23 ◼   ► it's pretty big, and it's like she could never sync

00:20:27 ◼   ► her whole library to her phone,

00:20:29 ◼   ► otherwise it would fill up.

00:20:31 ◼   ► So she got the 128 gigabyte iPhone,

00:20:36 ◼   ► and now she can sync her whole library and have tons,

00:20:39 ◼   ► it's one of those things where like,

00:20:41 ◼   ► I think with a 64 gigabyte phone,

00:20:44 ◼   ► combined with a photo library and stuff, it would be tight.

00:20:47 ◼   ► And with 128, then she has plenty of room,

00:20:51 ◼   ► including every single song she has in her iTunes library,

00:20:54 ◼   ► which is what she wants, so that if she gets in the mood

00:20:57 ◼   ► to listen to something, she can listen to it.

00:20:59 ◼   ► And I don't know, she's had Jeffrey Zeldman luck

00:21:04 ◼   ► with cloud services.

00:21:06 ◼   ► It's like, I would set her up, and it would say that,

00:21:09 ◼   ► she wants it all there.

00:21:10 ◼   ► She doesn't want to have to stream it.

00:21:11 ◼   ► She doesn't want the cloud icons.

00:21:13 ◼   ► She wants all of her music on the phone

00:21:15 ◼   ► because she paid for the giant 128 gigabyte phone.

00:21:19 ◼   ► And it looks like it's all there, and then it's there.

00:21:21 ◼   ► And then a couple months ago, she came back from the gym,

00:21:25 ◼   ► and she's mad at me, not mad at our course.

00:21:27 ◼   ► She's mad at me because all of her music is in the cloud.

00:21:31 ◼   ► And I'm like, well, that can't be.

00:21:32 ◼   ► And then I look at her music app,

00:21:34 ◼   ► and every single song is in the cloud.

00:21:37 ◼   ► And I can't explain it, I don't understand.

00:21:41 ◼   ► So the way--

00:21:42 ◼   ► - And that was before music?

00:21:44 ◼   ► - Yes, before Apple Music.

00:21:45 ◼   ► So the way I fixed it for her is I just turned off

00:21:48 ◼   ► iCloud match, iTunes match, whatever it's called,

00:21:52 ◼   ► and just hooked her up by USB cable to her Mac

00:21:54 ◼   ► and just synced it like the 2007 way.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Just hooked her up to iTunes, said sync all of the music,

00:22:01 ◼   ► all of her playlists, and I said,

00:22:03 ◼   ► "I fixed your iTunes cloud."

00:22:05 ◼   ► And she said, "Thank you."

00:22:07 ◼   ► And now she thinks that iTunes Cloud works perfectly.

00:22:11 ◼   ► - Well wasn't the whole thing with match

00:22:15 ◼   ► that you would just sign up once

00:22:17 ◼   ► and it would match your previous catalog

00:22:20 ◼   ► and then basically give you rights to everything

00:22:23 ◼   ► that you got from Napster or whatever.

00:22:26 ◼   ► And then you just can cancel your subscription

00:22:30 ◼   ► after the second year.

00:22:32 ◼   ► You don't really need it unless you want it.

00:22:34 ◼   ► I mean so like in her situation,

00:22:36 ◼   ► she doesn't even want it in the cloud,

00:22:38 ◼   ► so she wouldn't really pass that first year

00:22:40 ◼   ► have any need to have an iTunes match.

00:22:42 ◼   ► - Right, but there was supposed to be a way

00:22:43 ◼   ► that you could just say,

00:22:44 ◼   ► but I also want all my music on the device, you know?

00:22:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:22:48 ◼   ► - I don't wanna have to pull it down by on-demand.

00:22:51 ◼   ► But anyway, I had a long story short.

00:22:52 ◼   ► - And that is definitely currently the one thing

00:22:54 ◼   ► that I find completely fiddly

00:22:56 ◼   ► and I don't quite understand yet is,

00:22:58 ◼   ► 'cause I like having it all on the device too,

00:23:00 ◼   ► partially because I have a Sonos and I wanna play,

00:23:03 ◼   ► and I wanna play something on the Sonos

00:23:05 ◼   ► has to be on the device at least until they get Apple Music, which they said

00:23:09 ◼   ► they're going to be doing. But if I want to play something on the Sonos it has to

00:23:14 ◼   ► be on my phone. I have to have something, I have to have it

00:23:19 ◼   ► physically someplace in order to play it obviously. I can't play it from Apple's

00:23:23 ◼   ► cloud because Sonos doesn't know anything about Apple's cloud. So, and

00:23:27 ◼   ► just trying to do that often befuddles me. But I think it's gotten a little bit

00:23:33 ◼   ► easier with an update they recently did because I think and maybe I just it was

00:23:37 ◼   ► there before and I just missed it but now you can go into like a playlist and

00:23:42 ◼   ► just say make this entire playlist available offline hmm yeah I don't know

00:23:49 ◼   ► and it should download all the music so my suggestion my suggestion and it was

00:23:54 ◼   ► just a flippant offhand and you know I you know maybe I'm just waving my hands

00:23:59 ◼   ► here and there's good reasons for it but my suggestion that I tossed out there is

00:24:03 ◼   ► why not make it an all new app? Just have an Apple Music app and then if you sign

00:24:08 ◼   ► up for Apple Music, you use the Apple Music app and it streams all the radio

00:24:12 ◼   ► and it the the thing I'm thinking just loosely maybe I'm you know being stupid

00:24:18 ◼   ► somehow maybe I'm overlooking something and yes if you have an iTunes library of

00:24:23 ◼   ► songs that you already own that app could just see those songs and show them

00:24:27 ◼   ► to you but it would never try to like delete them or do anything magic with

00:24:31 ◼   ► them and then you'd have two apps and then if you don't want Apple music you

00:24:36 ◼   ► could just keep using iTunes yeah which would play your music and then iTunes

00:24:40 ◼   ► could be iTunes and then Apple music could be this app that much like the new

00:24:46 ◼   ► photos for Mac app is like a clean slate both in terms of like the interface it

00:24:53 ◼   ► presents and in terms of the online syncing stuff that it's supposed to do

00:25:00 ◼   ► And there were a bunch of people like reactions.

00:25:02 ◼   ► You know, a lot of the stuff I write often gets

00:25:05 ◼   ► polarized reactions, but this was so completely polarized,

00:25:09 ◼   ► it blew me away, where like, it seemed like half

00:25:12 ◼   ► the people responding to that were like, yes, exactly,

00:25:15 ◼   ► you know, this is exactly what Apple should have done.

00:25:17 ◼   ► And the other half were, you're an idiot,

00:25:19 ◼   ► you're completely missing the fact that the entire,

00:25:22 ◼   ► but here's what's funny, I kind of agree with both sides.

00:25:25 ◼   ► Obviously I agree with the side that says

00:25:27 ◼   ► this sounds like an interesting idea,

00:25:28 ◼   ► and the people who say I'm an idiot,

00:25:30 ◼   ► which is like half the reaction,

00:25:31 ◼   ► we're saying the entire point of this

00:25:33 ◼   ► is to have all of your music in one app.

00:25:36 ◼   ► What was the slogan at WWC was one thought about music.

00:25:41 ◼   ► And I see the appeal of that.

00:25:43 ◼   ► But my response to that response, I guess,

00:25:47 ◼   ► is one thought about music sounds good,

00:25:50 ◼   ► it sounds like a good idea,

00:25:51 ◼   ► but I'm saying that if you look at the actual software,

00:25:54 ◼   ► especially iTunes on Mac, or I guess Windows,

00:25:58 ◼   ► which is probably the same.

00:26:00 ◼   ► It's just, it's more complicated now than it ever has been.

00:26:05 ◼   ► And we've been complaining about how complicated it is

00:26:07 ◼   ► for years, at least since like the iPhone came out, right?

00:26:12 ◼   ► I mean, sometime around that era is when people started

00:26:16 ◼   ► complaining that iTunes was getting, you know,

00:26:18 ◼   ► had too much on its shoulders.

00:26:20 ◼   ► And now with Apple Music in there too, it's more than ever.

00:26:24 ◼   ► It's all of the store.

00:26:25 ◼   ► It still has, you could still buy iOS apps in iTunes.

00:26:30 ◼   ► So it's all the music store, the entire iOS app store,

00:26:35 ◼   ► but not the Mac app store.

00:26:36 ◼   ► All of your music that you own.

00:26:40 ◼   ► And now it's got all of the Apple Music stuff

00:26:42 ◼   ► that you subscribe to.

00:26:43 ◼   ► To me, that's an awful lot that you're asking one app to do.

00:26:46 ◼   ► - Seems like, yeah.

00:26:53 ◼   ► It does seem like it should be broken apart,

00:26:56 ◼   ► and it's easy to say that 'cause we don't know

00:26:59 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:27:00 ◼   ► any of the real reasons why it's actually one app,

00:27:02 ◼   ► particularly.

00:27:04 ◼   ► - Right.

00:27:04 ◼   ► - But at this point, it's just--

00:27:06 ◼   ► - Right, and I wanna emphasize that.

00:27:08 ◼   ► - Completely unwieldy.

00:27:09 ◼   ► - Right, Marco mentioned it too in his post

00:27:11 ◼   ► that it's easy to think of a lot of reasons

00:27:14 ◼   ► why they didn't go that route,

00:27:16 ◼   ► why they might have fully considered it

00:27:17 ◼   ► and decided not to go that route.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And I'm not saying they should have,

00:27:21 ◼   ► I'm just tossing this as an idea of maybe they could have,

00:27:25 ◼   ► and maybe things would be better.

00:27:26 ◼   ► The one thought that occurs to me about it is

00:27:29 ◼   ► it might have taken a lot longer.

00:27:32 ◼   ► I mean, look how long photos for Mac took.

00:27:35 ◼   ► It was announced at WWDC last year,

00:27:38 ◼   ► and they even said when they announced it,

00:27:40 ◼   ► it would be early 2015.

00:27:42 ◼   ► I think they said early 2015,

00:27:44 ◼   ► or at least they said it's not coming soon.

00:27:48 ◼   ► And it still didn't ship.

00:27:50 ◼   ► it didn't come out of beta until like April or May.

00:27:53 ◼   ► I mean, it was very close to a year

00:27:54 ◼   ► after they announced it at WWDC 2014

00:27:57 ◼   ► before photos for Mac shipped not as a beta for Mac.

00:28:02 ◼   ► It absolutely takes longer to start over,

00:28:06 ◼   ► even if your goal is to have a simpler,

00:28:09 ◼   ► less complicated interface.

00:28:11 ◼   ► So maybe that's the main reason.

00:28:13 ◼   ► I don't know, that it's always easier

00:28:15 ◼   ► to just keep tacking on to iTunes

00:28:17 ◼   ► then to take the time to start something now.

00:28:19 ◼   ► Yeah, every once in a while you read one of these opinion pieces

00:28:29 ◼   ► or someone says that Apple's the new Microsoft, which

00:28:31 ◼   ► I think is ridiculous.

00:28:32 ◼   ► But this is like one instance where I actually

00:28:34 ◼   ► think it's kind of does apply in that iTunes does seem like it's

00:28:39 ◼   ► just become so overburdened with added features

00:28:43 ◼   ► that it's like Office was back in the early 2000s.

00:28:47 ◼   ► - Well, it is, as a general rule,

00:28:51 ◼   ► the idea that you just keep tacking into this one app

00:28:54 ◼   ► is sort of the Microsoft, in loose general terms,

00:28:57 ◼   ► it's sort of a Microsoft way of doing things

00:29:00 ◼   ► and not the Apple way of doing things.

00:29:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, and they've never gotten rid of anything.

00:29:06 ◼   ► - Right, I mean, and just comparing--

00:29:07 ◼   ► - And the Apple, it seems like,

00:29:08 ◼   ► we used to go through this throughout the 2000s

00:29:11 ◼   ► where like iMovie and things like that

00:29:13 ◼   ► where they would take something and then just like

00:29:15 ◼   ► blow it up and start all over again,

00:29:17 ◼   ► and you'd lose things.

00:29:19 ◼   ► But often you'd end up with a better app.

00:29:23 ◼   ► And in this instance,

00:29:25 ◼   ► they just don't seem to be doing that at all.

00:29:28 ◼   ► - What about, do they still have podcasts in iTunes?

00:29:34 ◼   ► I know on iOS, see that's another,

00:29:36 ◼   ► that's a perfect example, right?

00:29:38 ◼   ► So on iOS, they, yeah.

00:29:40 ◼   ► So in iOS, they created an entirely separate podcast app.

00:29:44 ◼   ► And on the whole, it's what matters anyway,

00:29:49 ◼   ► 'cause I mean, I know from the stats from this show

00:29:51 ◼   ► that most people listen to podcasts on their phone

00:29:55 ◼   ► or some kind of mobile device, so it makes sense.

00:29:58 ◼   ► But it's crazy that on the desktop,

00:30:00 ◼   ► they still have podcasts in there too, right?

00:30:04 ◼   ► And maybe that's another sign of the Mac

00:30:07 ◼   ► as a second-class citizen to iOS,

00:30:08 ◼   ► that they don't make a standalone version of.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - Can you tell what the client is?

00:30:12 ◼   ► Can you tell what the biggest usage by client is?

00:30:16 ◼   ► - Yeah. - On the list?

00:30:17 ◼   ► Is it the podcast's app or something else?

00:30:20 ◼   ► - Well, for me, it's Overcast.

00:30:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay.

00:30:24 ◼   ► Right, there's a little bit of selection bias there.

00:30:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, without question.

00:30:28 ◼   ► It's because, you know,

00:30:29 ◼   ► Darren, or Darren Fireball readers

00:30:32 ◼   ► and listeners of this show are way more likely to,

00:30:36 ◼   ► you know, to even know, I've heard of Overcast,

00:30:39 ◼   ► let alone, you know, be smart enough

00:30:41 ◼   ► to actually sign up for it.

00:30:43 ◼   ► And somebody sent me, after I tweeted,

00:30:48 ◼   ► I think I tweeted that, I tweeted the stats

00:30:51 ◼   ► that I get from SoundCloud,

00:30:57 ◼   ► which is where I host the audio for this.

00:30:59 ◼   ► And they said that they're like the producer

00:31:01 ◼   ► on like a general interest podcast.

00:31:04 ◼   ► Seemed pretty popular, you know,

00:31:05 ◼   ► some like 20 or 30,000 downloads per episode.

00:31:10 ◼   ► And for them, Overcast was way down.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I mean, it wasn't even close,

00:31:16 ◼   ► 'cause it was even behind other iOS clients,

00:31:20 ◼   ► just because it hasn't been out as long.

00:31:22 ◼   ► But, you know.

00:31:23 ◼   ► But I don't get it.

00:31:26 ◼   ► I'm trying to look it up here.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Where's the stats?

00:31:31 ◼   ► It doesn't say podcasts for iOS.

00:31:35 ◼   ► It's called, it's the background process

00:31:38 ◼   ► that does the downloading.

00:31:42 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

00:31:42 ◼   ► So you probably can't tell if it's the difference

00:31:46 ◼   ► between that--

00:31:47 ◼   ► - Apple Core Media.

00:31:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, if it's the difference between that

00:31:51 ◼   ► and iTunes on a Mac.

00:31:54 ◼   ► - Well, no, because then-- - No, you can't,

00:31:55 ◼   ► but you can tell by platform.

00:31:56 ◼   ► - No, but then it says, so here's my stats

00:31:59 ◼   ► for the previous episode with Jason Snell, episode 126.

00:32:04 ◼   ► So for the RSS version, which is just about everybody,

00:32:13 ◼   ► Overcast is 29,000.

00:32:16 ◼   ► Apple Core Media iPhone, which I take to mean

00:32:19 ◼   ► the podcast app on iPhone, this is about 17,000.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Then there's iTunes, which is 4,500.

00:32:28 ◼   ► and I think that's iTunes on the Mac.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Apple Core Media iPad, so it's interesting,

00:32:34 ◼   ► I do get it broken out between iPhone and iPad is 2,700.

00:32:39 ◼   ► Mozilla is 2,400, and I think Mozilla means,

00:32:43 ◼   ► see this is where I have to guess,

00:32:44 ◼   ► I think it means anybody who listens in any browser,

00:32:47 ◼   ► because you know how like every browser says

00:32:49 ◼   ► that they're like Mozilla?

00:32:52 ◼   ► - Right.

00:32:53 ◼   ► - Because there's no freaking way that Mozilla would come,

00:32:56 ◼   ► the actual Mozilla would come in ahead of Safari.

00:32:59 ◼   ► Then downcast at a respectable 1900,

00:33:05 ◼   ► pocket casts at 1700, Instacast, Castro,

00:33:09 ◼   ► and then way down at 200,

00:33:12 ◼   ► poor old Apple Core Media for iPod.

00:33:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:33:18 ◼   ► Very sad.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Not many, and I figured, I would have said a year ago

00:33:25 ◼   ► a joke that one of them was John Syracuse it but now he's got an iPhone that's right

00:33:29 ◼   ► No, so I do have good stats like that that's interesting

00:33:34 ◼   ► But to me it's crazy that they still stick. I

00:33:37 ◼   ► podcasts in the iTunes I

00:33:40 ◼   ► Don't even yeah. Yeah

00:33:43 ◼   ► And I wonder if some of it is just about they feel like if they put it in a different app now that people are

00:33:49 ◼   ► Going not open the other app

00:33:51 ◼   ► Really for you know, like a new service like music

00:33:55 ◼   ► - Well, and I guess it's so that there's,

00:33:58 ◼   ► I mean, they're called, I even, did I tweet this

00:34:01 ◼   ► or blog it, I always forget, but it's funny

00:34:04 ◼   ► that we call them podcasts, but nobody listens

00:34:07 ◼   ► on iPods anymore, everybody listens on iPhones and stuff.

00:34:11 ◼   ► But if you do listen to it on your iPod,

00:34:16 ◼   ► and it's not an iPod touch, it's like an iPod iPod,

00:34:19 ◼   ► then I guess you still need to sync it from iTunes.

00:34:22 ◼   ► - Right.

00:34:24 ◼   ► So I guess I understand why they haven't taken it out

00:34:27 ◼   ► for people who need to sync to an iPod,

00:34:29 ◼   ► but for anybody who just wants to listen to it,

00:34:31 ◼   ► I really think it ought to be a standalone app,

00:34:34 ◼   ► even on the Mac, that works just like the iOS podcast app.

00:34:38 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:34:39 ◼   ► - But what do I know?

00:34:41 ◼   ► - Huh.

00:34:43 ◼   ► Maybe that's next.

00:34:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:34:48 ◼   ► - Keep holding.

00:34:49 ◼   ► - Well.

00:34:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:34:52 ◼   ► that in the app store for the Apple TV.

00:34:56 ◼   ► Someday they'll come.

00:35:00 ◼   ► - All right, let me take a break

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00:35:51 ◼   ► It's an absolute racket.

00:35:52 ◼   ► You go to like Mattress USA or something like that,

00:35:55 ◼   ► and you shop the Sealy or whatever brand you want,

00:35:58 ◼   ► and you write them down, you write down what they cost,

00:36:00 ◼   ► what the model names are, you drive across town

00:36:03 ◼   ► to Mattress King or whatever the hell

00:36:05 ◼   ► the next store is called, and you look at the same brand,

00:36:08 ◼   ► and you look at the mattresses,

00:36:10 ◼   ► they all have different names,

00:36:11 ◼   ► so there's no way to compare.

00:36:12 ◼   ► They do this on purpose, so that it really is,

00:36:15 ◼   ► it's like a racket where each store gets their own

00:36:17 ◼   ► like model names from the same manufacturer,

00:36:20 ◼   ► so that you can't price compare.

00:36:22 ◼   ► And all the prices are high anyway.

00:36:24 ◼   ► And they've got 11 mattresses set up

00:36:27 ◼   ► that you're supposed to lay on them in the retail store.

00:36:30 ◼   ► Gross, number one, gross.

00:36:32 ◼   ► - That's how you get lice.

00:36:36 ◼   ► - It's probably a very good way to get lice.

00:36:39 ◼   ► Here's the prices from Casper.

00:36:41 ◼   ► 500 bucks for two, or not for two, for twin size mattress.

00:36:46 ◼   ► 950 for a king size mattress.

00:36:48 ◼   ► and then in between twin and king,

00:36:50 ◼   ► all the price points in between 500 and 950.

00:36:53 ◼   ► $950 for a premium king size mattress is crazy.

00:36:57 ◼   ► You're never gonna beat that at retail mattress stores.

00:37:00 ◼   ► It's an outstanding price point for a great mattress.

00:37:03 ◼   ► Here's the thing though, you don't get to try it beforehand.

00:37:06 ◼   ► You don't even get to sit on it or anything like that.

00:37:09 ◼   ► You gotta trust it.

00:37:10 ◼   ► But here's the deal.

00:37:11 ◼   ► They have guaranteed, I think it's like 40 days,

00:37:17 ◼   ► I don't know, 100 days, 100 day guarantee.

00:37:20 ◼   ► So you buy this thing, it shows up for free,

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00:37:27 ◼   ► that's like the size of a big dorm room refrigerator,

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00:37:32 ◼   ► you take it up to the bedroom where you want it,

00:37:34 ◼   ► you open this thing up, and it makes a really cool sound,

00:37:37 ◼   ► and then it sucks up all the air,

00:37:39 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden, you've got a mattress.

00:37:41 ◼   ► You've got 100 days from that point to sleep on this thing,

00:37:45 ◼   ► And if you don't like it, you just go to their website,

00:37:49 ◼   ► no hassle, they just go there,

00:37:51 ◼   ► you say, "I don't like this mattress,

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00:37:53 ◼   ► And then they take care, they send like a UPS guy

00:37:56 ◼   ► to like get the mattress out of your house

00:37:58 ◼   ► and that's it, it's gone.

00:37:59 ◼   ► That's how sure they are that you're gonna like it.

00:38:02 ◼   ► I don't think anybody ever takes them up on it.

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00:38:06 ◼   ► They sent me one last year, it's like brand new right now.

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00:38:13 ◼   ► You're shopping for a mattress,

00:38:14 ◼   ► You can't not beat these guys.

00:38:16 ◼   ► The other cool thing,

00:38:17 ◼   ► I don't know how many of you guys live in New York,

00:38:18 ◼   ► but my understanding is that if you live in New York City,

00:38:21 ◼   ► you can get this same day,

00:38:23 ◼   ► and they bring it,

00:38:24 ◼   ► like a guy straps it to his back

00:38:26 ◼   ► and brings it to your house on a bicycle.

00:38:29 ◼   ► That's how crazy the boxes are that these things are.

00:38:32 ◼   ► So it might be worth it to buy one of these

00:38:34 ◼   ► just to see the guy show up

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00:38:47 ◼   ► domain. They upgraded. It's casper.com, C-A-S-P-E-R dot com slash the talk show.

00:38:53 ◼   ► And by using that code, the talk show, I think if you just go to the URL, the

00:38:57 ◼   ► coupon's applied. Otherwise, just remember the coupon, the talk show, all one word,

00:39:03 ◼   ► and you'll save 50 bucks. So they're already low prices. You'll save 50 bucks.

00:39:08 ◼   ► Terms and conditions apply. I don't know what the terms and conditions are, but

00:39:12 ◼   ► it's a good deal. And I know a lot of listeners have taken them up on this and

00:39:16 ◼   ► I've gotten a lot of feedback from people who are like, "It really did sound

00:39:18 ◼   ► crazy to buy a mattress from a podcast." But I did and it was great. So my thanks

00:39:24 ◼   ► to Casper. One of the conditions is no lice. Yeah, no lice. Nobody has ever, nobody

00:39:32 ◼   ► - I was late on this mattress before.

00:39:33 ◼   ► - The light's free.

00:39:35 ◼   ► - How about the, 'cause this is the thing

00:39:42 ◼   ► I wrote the other day is just thinking about Apple Music

00:39:44 ◼   ► and the problems people are having.

00:39:46 ◼   ► My problems, it seems to me like everything's working for me

00:39:49 ◼   ► it's just that I'm confused about how it's supposed to work.

00:39:52 ◼   ► Compare and contrast with the new iCloud photo library

00:39:57 ◼   ► which I was more worried about

00:40:00 ◼   ► because I care much more about my photos than I do my music.

00:40:05 ◼   ► And I have backups of everything and I've got stuff,

00:40:09 ◼   ► but I just, I don't know,

00:40:10 ◼   ► I just worried that it wasn't gonna work.

00:40:12 ◼   ► And I backed up my phone beforehand

00:40:16 ◼   ► so that if I turned on this thing

00:40:19 ◼   ► and it erased my photo library on my phone,

00:40:22 ◼   ► I could just restore the phone to where I was

00:40:24 ◼   ► before I turned it off.

00:40:25 ◼   ► I backed up my Mac, I backed up my phone,

00:40:29 ◼   ► And I turned this thing on a couple weeks ago, whenever.

00:40:32 ◼   ► And again, everybody's had the same sort of first reaction.

00:40:37 ◼   ► If you have thousands of photos,

00:40:38 ◼   ► I think I've got like 17 or 18,000 photos total

00:40:41 ◼   ► from my old iPhoto library and what I took on the phone.

00:40:47 ◼   ► It did take a while for them to sync initially.

00:40:51 ◼   ► I don't know, a couple of days, something like that.

00:40:54 ◼   ► But lo and behold, maybe like a day or two,

00:40:59 ◼   ► two days after I signed up for this thing

00:41:01 ◼   ► and turned it on on all my devices.

00:41:02 ◼   ► All of my devices have all my photos.

00:41:05 ◼   ► And when I take a photo with my phone,

00:41:07 ◼   ► by the time I go to my Mac,

00:41:09 ◼   ► even if I'm just sitting here at my desk

00:41:11 ◼   ► and I go to the Photos app, there it is.

00:41:13 ◼   ► It's right there at the bottom of my, all your photos.

00:41:16 ◼   ► It is, and for people who say Apple never gets

00:41:23 ◼   ► cloud services right or something like this,

00:41:25 ◼   ► I would say the Photos thing seems like an example

00:41:28 ◼   ► where they did.

00:41:29 ◼   ► Have you tried it?

00:41:32 ◼   ► I have not.

00:41:33 ◼   ► I'm actually fiddling with it right now,

00:41:37 ◼   ► just because I was afraid of that initial sync

00:41:40 ◼   ► process taking so long.

00:41:44 ◼   ► And also, just the fact that I felt

00:41:46 ◼   ► like I was going to probably have to upgrade the storage

00:41:48 ◼   ► space because I didn't think I was going to--

00:41:50 ◼   ► because I think my libraries--

00:41:51 ◼   ► and that was the other thing I was trying to do,

00:41:52 ◼   ► was figure out how big my library is.

00:41:53 ◼   ► But that's always been my problem,

00:41:56 ◼   ► is that I just have too many pictures.

00:41:57 ◼   ► and a lot of them are just crap and should be thrown away,

00:42:00 ◼   ► but I don't wanna go through that process

00:42:01 ◼   ► of going through every single thing

00:42:04 ◼   ► and trying to figure out what should go and what should stay.

00:42:08 ◼   ► So I have not done it yet.

00:42:10 ◼   ► But it sounds like maybe I should.

00:42:12 ◼   ► - And I tweeted, I guess I, or I blogged about it yesterday,

00:42:16 ◼   ► and a couple people on Twitter,

00:42:19 ◼   ► obviously it's not working for 100% of all people.

00:42:21 ◼   ► There's some, I don't know,

00:42:23 ◼   ► does anything ever work for 100% of all people?

00:42:25 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:42:26 ◼   ► But it seems to me like there are a lot fewer people encountering problems with the iCloud

00:42:30 ◼   ► photo library than there are people encountering problems with the music.

00:42:35 ◼   ► And conceptually, to me, it is very, very simple.

00:42:39 ◼   ► It's all of your photos and all of your albums across all your devices.

00:42:43 ◼   ► And you have two options.

00:42:45 ◼   ► Download the originals to this device, whether it's a Mac or iOS thing.

00:42:48 ◼   ► And that means you get the original image that was taken from the camera or optimize.

00:42:54 ◼   ► And if there's something that's a little hand-wavy, it's what does this optimize photo storage

00:42:59 ◼   ► mean?

00:43:03 ◼   ► Somehow it means on this device you don't get the full-res versions.

00:43:07 ◼   ► iCloud will resize them to make sense on your device.

00:43:12 ◼   ► So I guess you get smaller ones on your phone and bigger ones on your Mac.

00:43:16 ◼   ► But on either case, if you turn on optimized storage, you're not going to get the original

00:43:21 ◼   ► image.

00:43:23 ◼   ► - The complaint I've seen on Twitter from people

00:43:25 ◼   ► is that even with optimized photo storage on,

00:43:28 ◼   ► it still takes up too much space,

00:43:29 ◼   ► that it's taking up 10 or 20 gigabytes on people's phones.

00:43:34 ◼   ► And they don't have that much space

00:43:35 ◼   ► maybe because they bought a 16 gigabyte phone

00:43:38 ◼   ► or 32 or something like that,

00:43:41 ◼   ► which is a reasonable complaint.

00:43:42 ◼   ► But then if you have, I guess the argument would be

00:43:45 ◼   ► that if you have a space-constricted device,

00:43:48 ◼   ► storing your entire photo library even optimized

00:43:52 ◼   ► is not a good idea for that device.

00:43:54 ◼   ► - Right.

00:43:55 ◼   ► - 'Cause I don't know what the solution would be.

00:43:57 ◼   ► I guess Apple could in theory store

00:44:01 ◼   ► even tinier thumbnails or something.

00:44:04 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure. - Yeah.

00:44:05 ◼   ► Isn't that what the Google,

00:44:08 ◼   ► I mean the Google service goes down real low, doesn't it?

00:44:12 ◼   ► - I guess because, and maybe that just is their

00:44:15 ◼   ► web-based route showing because something like Flickr

00:44:19 ◼   ► or any kind of web-based photo storage service,

00:44:22 ◼   ► there's the idea that it even could download all your photos

00:44:25 ◼   ► doesn't even make sense because there's no way to,

00:44:27 ◼   ► you know, you only get five megabytes of local storage

00:44:30 ◼   ► or whatever the limit is for a website with local storage.

00:44:33 ◼   ► - Where is, is that stored in, yeah, there it is.

00:44:39 ◼   ► Oh no, that's not it.

00:44:40 ◼   ► Oh, there it is, okay, yeah,

00:44:41 ◼   ► so my library is like almost 50 gigs.

00:44:44 ◼   ► - Your iPhoto library?

00:44:47 ◼   ► my photos library.

00:44:49 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause you have upgraded to photos.

00:44:53 ◼   ► - I've upgraded to photos, yes.

00:44:55 ◼   ► I have not turned on--

00:44:57 ◼   ► - How many--

00:44:58 ◼   ► - 8500 photos.

00:44:59 ◼   ► - How many pictures is it?

00:45:00 ◼   ► 8500, yeah.

00:45:02 ◼   ► So I've got 16,500.

00:45:04 ◼   ► - The big things are probably the videos.

00:45:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, probably.

00:45:07 ◼   ► - Does it sync the videos too?

00:45:11 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:45:12 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:45:13 ◼   ► They call it photos, but it's just like photos

00:45:16 ◼   ► your on your phone on the phone it really means anything you shot with a

00:45:20 ◼   ► camera yeah I know it's certainly very nice to have but I just I don't feel

00:45:27 ◼   ► like paying for an extra extra service because that's not gonna fit no that is

00:45:35 ◼   ► not gonna fit well what are you you still on that you're on the free tier

00:45:38 ◼   ► yeah I'm still on the free tier yeah yeah that ain't gonna work but that

00:45:44 ◼   ► That raises a good point though, that it's twofold,

00:45:48 ◼   ► which was A, why is the free tier still just five gigabytes

00:45:53 ◼   ► for this company with 200, again,

00:45:58 ◼   ► and it seems like it always comes up

00:45:59 ◼   ► when you're on the show, it's like,

00:46:00 ◼   ► let's spend Tim Cook's money.

00:46:02 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:46:03 ◼   ► - And so we'll put in our standard disclaimer here

00:46:07 ◼   ► that we understand we're not trying to say we're know-it-alls

00:46:10 ◼   ► and we know more than Apple how to spend money,

00:46:12 ◼   ► and that the way that you accumulate $200 billion in cash

00:46:17 ◼   ► is by maybe not spending your money willy-nilly

00:46:22 ◼   ► on every idea that two idiots on a podcast say

00:46:25 ◼   ► that you should spend money on.

00:46:27 ◼   ► I'm just saying it seems to me though,

00:46:29 ◼   ► given what other companies with less money

00:46:33 ◼   ► than Apple offer for free storage,

00:46:37 ◼   ► it just seems to me like maybe Apple could be

00:46:40 ◼   ► a little bit more competitive in that regard

00:46:42 ◼   ► as to how big the free tier is,

00:46:44 ◼   ► and that it would be in their interest

00:46:46 ◼   ► in terms of getting more people to use this,

00:46:49 ◼   ► the photo syncing, which I think they've put a lot

00:46:53 ◼   ► of work into and would like people to use.

00:46:55 ◼   ► And then the flip side would be

00:46:58 ◼   ► the 16 gigabyte devices thing.

00:47:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, completely.

00:47:04 ◼   ► - Because even if, and this was like when I asked

00:47:09 ◼   ► Phil Schiller on stage last month,

00:47:13 ◼   ► part of his answer defending the 16 gigabyte devices

00:47:16 ◼   ► is that more and more of people's storage is cloud-based.

00:47:19 ◼   ► But even if, as these people responding to me on Twitter

00:47:23 ◼   ► are pointing out, even if you turn on

00:47:24 ◼   ► optimized photo storage, if you have a lot of photos,

00:47:29 ◼   ► it still consumes an awful lot of storage on your device.

00:47:34 ◼   ► Or at least awful lot if you have a 16 gigabyte device.

00:47:38 ◼   ► Mm-hmm yeah, if you have a 16 gigabyte device you basically don't have any room to spare

00:47:42 ◼   ► Yeah, it's really it's just it's

00:47:48 ◼   ► And I lived with a four gigabyte phone for two years well. I think it makes sense

00:47:54 ◼   ► This is one of the differences between the music and photos if you just use the streaming for Apple music

00:47:59 ◼   ► I guess that makes a lot of sense on a 16 gigabyte device right that you don't have anything stored locally or almost nothing

00:48:05 ◼   ► That it really is just cached

00:48:07 ◼   ► and you're listening to the Beats 1 radio station

00:48:11 ◼   ► or something like that, that's fantastic, right?

00:48:14 ◼   ► That you can listen to a wide variety of music,

00:48:16 ◼   ► you can search for music, you can get the urge

00:48:19 ◼   ► to listen to a certain artist,

00:48:21 ◼   ► and as long as you've got the bandwidth,

00:48:23 ◼   ► if you've got WiFi or enough space on your cellular plan,

00:48:28 ◼   ► you can just listen to it without worrying

00:48:29 ◼   ► about the storage.

00:48:31 ◼   ► But with the photos, even again,

00:48:34 ◼   ► there's just no way to participate in this

00:48:36 ◼   ► if you have a lot of photos in your library

00:48:38 ◼   ► without using some significant degree of local storage.

00:48:41 ◼   ► And 16 gigabytes just is pretty brutally short for that.

00:48:48 ◼   ► - They don't really sell an eight gigabyte phone anymore,

00:48:52 ◼   ► do they?

00:48:53 ◼   ► - Not new, but not top tier,

00:48:58 ◼   ► but if you go and buy an iPhone 5C,

00:49:01 ◼   ► it's only eight gigabytes.

00:49:02 ◼   ► - Is it still, is it?

00:49:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Oh my God. So yeah they still do.

00:49:08 ◼   ► Yeah. So for all my I mean they still

00:49:10 ◼   ► said you know that's I consider that selling

00:49:12 ◼   ► it. I mean you can you buy it

00:49:14 ◼   ► on lock for $450.

00:49:16 ◼   ► Yeah if there's a buy now phone

00:49:19 ◼   ► if there's a buy now next to a button

00:49:22 ◼   ► next to it on

00:49:23 ◼   ► the website I guess yes technically

00:49:26 ◼   ► it is for sale.

00:49:27 ◼   ► But yeah I think your only choice yeah your

00:49:33 ◼   ► only choice if you buy a five seat

00:49:35 ◼   ► today is to get an eight gigabyte.

00:49:37 ◼   ► And it's just the way that it works.

00:49:40 ◼   ► So if they don't move the baseline

00:49:43 ◼   ► for the brand new top tier 6S and 6S+,

00:49:47 ◼   ► which again, I'm just guessing

00:49:49 ◼   ► that's what they're gonna do in September.

00:49:51 ◼   ► If they don't move the baseline up to 32,

00:49:54 ◼   ► then I don't know what they're gonna do.

00:49:56 ◼   ► Are they gonna, if they keep the storage tiers the same,

00:49:59 ◼   ► it seems like all the storage tiers will be the same,

00:50:01 ◼   ► and then the mid tier one is still gonna be

00:50:03 ◼   ► only 16 gigabytes and the low-end one might still only be 8 gigabytes which

00:50:09 ◼   ► seems crazy. That seems completely crazy. I mean the good news is

00:50:15 ◼   ► that they you know have have done the work to make iOS 9 require a lot less

00:50:21 ◼   ► storage space initially to upgrade which is was definitely I mean they pretty

00:50:28 ◼   ► much flat out said it was a problem at WWDC for iOS 8.

00:50:32 ◼   ► But for a lot of this stuff, it really is--

00:50:36 ◼   ► - You couldn't even upgrade your phone.

00:50:38 ◼   ► - Right, and it's like, and it really,

00:50:40 ◼   ► it really starts to, especially I think

00:50:44 ◼   ► with the camera stuff, really starts to directly conflict

00:50:47 ◼   ► where it's like, how can they brag about

00:50:50 ◼   ► how nice the camera is and how high the quality is

00:50:53 ◼   ► of the video?

00:50:55 ◼   ► - When you can store about four pictures.

00:50:56 ◼   ► - Right.

00:50:57 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:50:59 ◼   ► You can take one panoramic photo.

00:51:02 ◼   ► Burst mode up to two images.

00:51:07 ◼   ► - Now I know we've talked,

00:51:11 ◼   ► I think we've talked about this before,

00:51:12 ◼   ► but would you go back to the four inch phone?

00:51:15 ◼   ► - Oh, that's a great question.

00:51:19 ◼   ► I, in theory, I would.

00:51:25 ◼   ► And in fact, I just spent almost a week

00:51:28 ◼   ► using my four-inch iPhone 5S because I put iOS 9 on it

00:51:33 ◼   ► and I put my SIM card in it so I could actually try it.

00:51:37 ◼   ► I've since gone and upgraded my regular iPhone 6

00:51:40 ◼   ► to the latest iOS 9 beta because it's that,

00:51:44 ◼   ► at least for me, if you go switch to the iOS 9 beta

00:51:49 ◼   ► and your phone dies, don't complain to me.

00:51:51 ◼   ► But for me at least, it seems at least as solid

00:51:55 ◼   ► is iOS 8, so why not?

00:51:57 ◼   ► And I really, really like the San Francisco font,

00:51:59 ◼   ► and it's good for testing and stuff.

00:52:01 ◼   ► But I spent a week using it on my 5S

00:52:04 ◼   ► before I took the plunge with my iPhone 6.

00:52:07 ◼   ► And I really, really liked it.

00:52:10 ◼   ► Really, really, I love the size.

00:52:12 ◼   ► And I know that the screen is smaller,

00:52:14 ◼   ► and I'm rocketing towards needing reading glasses.

00:52:19 ◼   ► So I appreciate the bigger screen size.

00:52:22 ◼   ► But just as something to carry around,

00:52:24 ◼   ► I would do it.

00:52:26 ◼   ► But the big but is,

00:52:28 ◼   ► here's how I think they're gonna do the phones this year.

00:52:30 ◼   ► And I don't even think it's that hard to predict.

00:52:32 ◼   ► I think they'll come out with an iPhone 6S

00:52:35 ◼   ► and an iPhone 6S Plus.

00:52:38 ◼   ► And they will be exactly at the prices

00:52:41 ◼   ► of the current iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus.

00:52:45 ◼   ► And it'll have a new A9 system on a chip instead of the A8.

00:52:50 ◼   ► And it'll have a new camera in both.

00:52:52 ◼   ► I guess when people say the rumor is that there's gonna be

00:52:57 ◼   ► a rose gold option, that makes sense to me.

00:53:02 ◼   ► You know, just like when they first went to the iPhone 5S

00:53:07 ◼   ► was when they added the gold,

00:53:09 ◼   ► just so there's something that looks like--

00:53:11 ◼   ► - Some different cosmetic change.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - That you can tell at a glance this is the new one.

00:53:17 ◼   ► Who knows, maybe they'll even anodize

00:53:19 ◼   ► the aluminum differently,

00:53:21 ◼   ► go from space gray to space black

00:53:22 ◼   ► or something like that on the black one.

00:53:24 ◼   ► But just a color difference or something like that.

00:53:27 ◼   ► Then I think one tier down,

00:53:31 ◼   ► they will have a new phone called the iPhone 6C,

00:53:35 ◼   ► which would be, I think, four inches.

00:53:39 ◼   ► Possibly all new colors compared to the 5C.

00:53:43 ◼   ► - I would think so.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Well, probably the iPod colors.

00:53:46 ◼   ► - That's, yeah, exactly.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Like instead of that sort of pastel-y palette,

00:53:50 ◼   ► maybe more of like a bold, bolder colors,

00:53:53 ◼   ► like the new iPods, yeah, exactly.

00:53:56 ◼   ► - Which is, I mean, and they come in silver and gold too.

00:54:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, but I don't think they would do that

00:54:02 ◼   ► with plastic.

00:54:02 ◼   ► - You don't think they would do those with,

00:54:03 ◼   ► oh yeah, 'cause these aren't, the iPods are not plastic.

00:54:06 ◼   ► - No, they're aluminum. - Yeah, right.

00:54:08 ◼   ► - But I think colors like those colors.

00:54:10 ◼   ► But I think it'll be the same type of plastic case

00:54:14 ◼   ► that the 5C has, just with new colors.

00:54:18 ◼   ► A8, the camera from the iPhone 6.

00:54:23 ◼   ► And because the case is thicker,

00:54:26 ◼   ► it won't have the little nubbin sticking out,

00:54:28 ◼   ► it'll sit flush.

00:54:29 ◼   ► It'll be just like an iPhone 6,

00:54:32 ◼   ► except a four inch screen and a plastic exterior.

00:54:37 ◼   ► Which is a great phone and I'd be very tempted by it,

00:54:39 ◼   ► but I suspect I'll be an idiot and buy the bigger one

00:54:43 ◼   ► because I want the camera, really.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Even more than the faster system on a chip

00:54:48 ◼   ► is I want the best camera possible.

00:54:50 ◼   ► - I think I might get it.

00:54:54 ◼   ► - I would be very tempted though.

00:54:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think I really just prefer that size.

00:55:00 ◼   ► And I held one of those, a friend had one, the 5C.

00:55:06 ◼   ► I'd held them before, but I held it again recently.

00:55:12 ◼   ► And I really liked it.

00:55:14 ◼   ► It just felt really good.

00:55:15 ◼   ► I mean, the plastic, even the plastic felt,

00:55:17 ◼   ► It's a nice plastic and the seams are well put together.

00:55:22 ◼   ► It's a nice little phone, so I actually think I'm gonna go.

00:55:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna go down.

00:55:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I could see it.

00:55:28 ◼   ► What do you have right now?

00:55:30 ◼   ► - A six.

00:55:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, so it'd be a new phone.

00:55:33 ◼   ► - It's the same phone, just a smaller size in plastic.

00:55:37 ◼   ► As long as I can get, 'cause I have a 64,

00:55:42 ◼   ► so that would be, I guess that would be a question,

00:55:44 ◼   ► is if I could get a 64.

00:55:45 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah, I wonder.

00:55:47 ◼   ► - 'Cause I don't, well actually no, I think the...

00:55:52 ◼   ► - What do they sell now with the iPhone 5S?

00:55:56 ◼   ► - That's what I'm trying to figure out.

00:55:58 ◼   ► - 16 and 30. - 16 and 32, right?

00:56:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, so what you need is you need Apple

00:56:02 ◼   ► to up the minimum.

00:56:04 ◼   ► - Right, they would have to update the...

00:56:06 ◼   ► - If they go 32, 64, 128, then the two tiers

00:56:10 ◼   ► for the mid-tier one would be 32 and 64.

00:56:13 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:14 ◼   ► - I could see them doing it, I really could.

00:56:18 ◼   ► And then I think the, I guess, the 5S moves down

00:56:23 ◼   ► to become the--

00:56:27 ◼   ► - That's weird though.

00:56:28 ◼   ► - The free phone.

00:56:29 ◼   ► That's a little weird. - See that's what's weird.

00:56:31 ◼   ► - That's where, maybe they keep the 5C around,

00:56:34 ◼   ► you know, and they have the 5C and the 6C.

00:56:36 ◼   ► It is a little weird.

00:56:39 ◼   ► - That's the bottom part, yeah,

00:56:40 ◼   ► the bottom part is what's confusing to me.

00:56:43 ◼   ► What do they do down there?

00:56:45 ◼   ► 'Cause they have to have a free phone.

00:56:47 ◼   ► - Right, and I guess the reason it seems a little weird

00:56:50 ◼   ► to have the 5S be the free one is without turning it on

00:56:54 ◼   ► and without knowing what the specs are

00:56:56 ◼   ► of the system on a chip or the camera,

00:56:58 ◼   ► it just looks like it's the more premium device

00:57:00 ◼   ► compared to the plastic 5C.

00:57:03 ◼   ► - Right. - So I don't know.

00:57:05 ◼   ► - Doesn't it seem like they could just do a 5S,

00:57:07 ◼   ► I mean 5S internals in plastic?

00:57:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, but what would they call it?

00:57:11 ◼   ► They already have a 5C.

00:57:13 ◼   ► 5 CS.

00:57:14 ◼   ► 5 CS.

00:57:15 ◼   ► This is…

00:57:16 ◼   ► This is…

00:57:17 ◼   ► Apple circa 1993 would have been done.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

00:57:27 ◼   ► The Performa…

00:57:28 ◼   ► The Performa, the iPhone Performa.

00:57:30 ◼   ► The Performa 6400CD.

00:57:32 ◼   ► Well, of course it's called the CD.

00:57:35 ◼   ► It has a compact disc player.

00:57:37 ◼   ► That's the one I have.

00:57:41 ◼   ► 640i CD. It has Wi-Fi. Of course we have to put an "i" in there. What do you say?

00:57:54 ◼   ► What do you think? Do you think you think you're gonna go smaller?

00:57:57 ◼   ► Well, if I can get 64 I think I will. If what we're describing is what it is, if

00:58:02 ◼   ► it's basically iPhone 6 internals in a plastic case and the cases are

00:58:06 ◼   ► are not the current ones.

00:58:10 ◼   ► The colors are not the current ones.

00:58:11 ◼   ► They're the more like the current iPod ones

00:58:14 ◼   ► than the current 5C.

00:58:16 ◼   ► And I can get 64 gigs.

00:58:18 ◼   ► I will probably go with the,

00:58:20 ◼   ► what are we calling it?

00:58:22 ◼   ► 6S, 6C.

00:58:24 ◼   ► - 6C, I think it'll be called the 6C.

00:58:26 ◼   ► And I totally, I do, and having spent a week with it

00:58:30 ◼   ► just now, and I've never done that before.

00:58:33 ◼   ► Usually by nine months into the iPhone cycle,

00:58:35 ◼   ► I can't go back to the old one 'cause it feels too slow.

00:58:38 ◼   ► But the 5S to me totally holds up

00:58:43 ◼   ► and it feels a little bit slower than the 6, but not much.

00:58:46 ◼   ► It's like a really good phone.

00:58:49 ◼   ► The 5S is to me probably the best phone they've ever made.

00:58:53 ◼   ► It's held up past its prime better than any previous phone.

00:58:58 ◼   ► And I miss that form factor.

00:58:59 ◼   ► - Right, that phone to me was the pinnacle

00:59:04 ◼   ► of iPhone technology.

00:59:06 ◼   ► - And just the way that the sides are flat

00:59:09 ◼   ► and the size of it, it feels to me like I couldn't drop it

00:59:11 ◼   ► if I wanted to.

00:59:12 ◼   ► Like it just feels like undroppable,

00:59:14 ◼   ► whereas the 6 just feels, still feels like, you know, it's--

00:59:19 ◼   ► - It's slippery.

00:59:21 ◼   ► - It's a bar of soap every time you take it out.

00:59:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:59:23 ◼   ► Well, they don't listen to us, so.

00:59:28 ◼   ► - Nope, never.

00:59:29 ◼   ► - No, they listen to you, but they don't listen to me.

00:59:32 ◼   ► (laughing)

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01:03:46 ◼   ► I used one in Japan.

01:03:47 ◼   ► Um slept fine. Yeah, it's it sounded crazy to me. Apparently it again

01:03:53 ◼   ► I I know it's part of the the material they gave me but it's from what I've gathered

01:03:58 ◼   ► It actually is very common in yeah in Asia. Yeah, and that's the I mean the one thing that it does really well

01:04:03 ◼   ► It's like support you're like if you have got neck support problems

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01:04:16 ◼   ► - I guess I'm, 'cause I'm old.

01:04:18 ◼   ► So, something like this helps a lot.

01:04:24 ◼   ► - I know, it's one of those things where, you know,

01:04:29 ◼   ► let's face it, a hundred years from now,

01:04:30 ◼   ► we're gonna look back at us,

01:04:32 ◼   ► and everybody's probably gonna be a vegetarian, you know.

01:04:35 ◼   ► All the stuff we're doing.

01:04:36 ◼   ► - Savages.

01:04:38 ◼   ► - Well, I was--

01:04:39 ◼   ► - Or that like, that grown, that meat grown in a lab.

01:04:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

01:04:44 ◼   ► I hope by the time I'm an old man,

01:04:46 ◼   ► Hopefully we'll be able to switch to that.

01:04:48 ◼   ► 'Cause I was gonna say, isn't it,

01:04:49 ◼   ► it is kind of disgusting to think about the fact

01:04:52 ◼   ► that a lot of us have slept a lot of time

01:04:55 ◼   ► in a sack full of plucked bird feathers.

01:04:57 ◼   ► Like if you don't call it a pillow

01:05:00 ◼   ► and you just call it a sack full of plucked feathers,

01:05:04 ◼   ► it's-- - It is a little weird.

01:05:08 ◼   ► - Well, we're laughing 'cause it's weird and gross,

01:05:09 ◼   ► but if you take a deep breath and think about it,

01:05:12 ◼   ► it seems a little inhumane, I have to say.

01:05:15 ◼   ► - And which I realized-- - Yeah, there's like

01:05:16 ◼   ► a naked goose walking around someplace.

01:05:19 ◼   ► - Right, which is-- - This is cruel.

01:05:21 ◼   ► - Which is a little bit hypocritical

01:05:24 ◼   ► from someone who eats two or three steaks a week.

01:05:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:05:28 ◼   ► Like I realized that somewhere there's a cow

01:05:31 ◼   ► about to be slaughtered to be turned into a steak

01:05:33 ◼   ► who is like, "Hey, if you wanna pluck my hair out--"

01:05:36 ◼   ► - I'd much prefer. - Right?

01:05:38 ◼   ► Let's make a deal.

01:05:43 ◼   ► Did you see that the thing with that El Chapo guy

01:05:46 ◼   ► down in Mexico?

01:05:48 ◼   ► - No.

01:05:50 ◼   ► - You didn't see this?

01:05:51 ◼   ► The drug guy who broke out of prison?

01:05:53 ◼   ► - Oh, I saw an oblique reference to that.

01:05:57 ◼   ► So you fill me in on that.

01:05:59 ◼   ► - So I forget his real name,

01:06:01 ◼   ► but everybody just calls him El Chapo.

01:06:03 ◼   ► He's a Mexican drug lord kingpin.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Sort of a, who was the guy who was the head

01:06:09 ◼   ► of the Medellin Cartel back in the '80s?

01:06:12 ◼   ► was real famous. He's a guy who's like hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in drug

01:06:18 ◼   ► profits. And a couple of years ago, they caught him and they locked him up and he busted out

01:06:24 ◼   ► of prison. And he went on the lam. And then the US got involved and last year they caught

01:06:33 ◼   ► him again. And apparently what they said was... It's kind of an interesting story. It's...

01:06:38 ◼   ► Rita it's is that the official story was that it was with some intelligence from the United States and then the Mexican

01:06:44 ◼   ► you know national their equivalent of the FBI busted the guy at like a

01:06:48 ◼   ► Resort hotel somewhere in Mexico

01:06:52 ◼   ► You know like life on the lam was apparently really tough for this guy

01:06:58 ◼   ► But there's reports now

01:07:02 ◼   ► From other people that it wasn't even the the Mexican special police

01:07:06 ◼   ► it was US DEA agents wearing the

01:07:10 ◼   ► Mexican in federal police uniforms just for the optics, you know that they you know that it didn't look

01:07:18 ◼   ► It doesn't look good to people in Mexico if you us, you know law enforcement agents are running around Mexico

01:07:24 ◼   ► But they arrested the guy and the u.s. Said let us take this guy extradite him. Let us charge him in the u.s

01:07:30 ◼   ► Come on, the guy busted out

01:07:32 ◼   ► and

01:07:33 ◼   ► And as they were arresting him and they you know, I rained him whatever they call it the guy swore

01:07:39 ◼   ► He stood up and he said, you know, I'm gonna bust out again

01:07:42 ◼   ► And the Mexican government said no you're not not this time we're putting you in a supermax prison, you know, it's unbreakable and

01:07:53 ◼   ► And now the guy broke out again

01:07:59 ◼   ► Hey, it broke a busted right out. My joke is that they run the place like Arkham Asylum

01:08:03 ◼   ► But there's video in his room there in the first place

01:08:08 ◼   ► So the story that they said the day after he broke out is that they somebody you know?

01:08:13 ◼   ► Sympathetic to his cause some of the guys from his is you know his cartel they they started making a building

01:08:20 ◼   ► There was a building that was put up like a cinder block type

01:08:23 ◼   ► a very, very simple structure about a mile outside the prison.

01:08:28 ◼   ► And then inside this building, they dug a hole,

01:08:30 ◼   ► and they dug a tunnel underneath the prison

01:08:34 ◼   ► right into his cell.

01:08:36 ◼   ► And then they cut a little 20 inch by 20 inch square hole

01:08:40 ◼   ► in the shower.

01:08:41 ◼   ► - In the shower, that's what, yeah.

01:08:42 ◼   ► - In his cell.

01:08:44 ◼   ► And so there's video footage.

01:08:45 ◼   ► His cell was under 24 hour, seven day a week surveillance,

01:08:48 ◼   ► video surveillance, so they have the footage.

01:08:51 ◼   ► He's in there pacing for a couple of minutes,

01:08:53 ◼   ► and then he walks over to his bed

01:08:54 ◼   ► and puts on a pair of shoes,

01:08:55 ◼   ► and he walks into the shower,

01:08:57 ◼   ► and he just disappears.

01:08:59 ◼   ► He just goes down all.

01:09:01 ◼   ► And apparently they're really good.

01:09:05 ◼   ► His cartel is sort of,

01:09:08 ◼   ► has like mining level expertise digging these tunnels

01:09:13 ◼   ► because apparently that's how they get

01:09:14 ◼   ► a lot of the drugs into the United States,

01:09:17 ◼   ► that they've got like a-- - Okay, of course.

01:09:19 ◼   ► - They've got like a network of tunnels like this.

01:09:21 ◼   ► But it's a mile in a little hand dug tunnel.

01:09:26 ◼   ► But they had a little track down there.

01:09:30 ◼   ► It's pretty cool, they have pictures of it.

01:09:32 ◼   ► They've shown the media.

01:09:33 ◼   ► They rigged up a dirt bike,

01:09:36 ◼   ► like a little motorcycle onto a track.

01:09:38 ◼   ► So he didn't have to crawl the whole way.

01:09:41 ◼   ► And they had lights down there too.

01:09:43 ◼   ► But then he could just get on this little bike

01:09:45 ◼   ► that's on a track and then it just scooted him

01:09:48 ◼   ► right out to this building and now he's gone.

01:09:50 ◼   ► Yeah, lighted, it says lighted and ventilated tunnel nearly a mile long.

01:09:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:59 ◼   ► But now there's some controversy about it though because apparently they have not let

01:10:05 ◼   ► anybody from the media, they've let people from the media down into the tunnel and they've

01:10:10 ◼   ► let people into his cell and look at the hole that was dug and shine like a flashlight down

01:10:15 ◼   ► there. But nobody has verified that the tunnel goes all the way from this building right into

01:10:21 ◼   ► his cell. And there's the... So the conspiracy theory is that he didn't even have to do that.

01:10:26 ◼   ► That part was faked so there'd be some kind of cover story, but that...

01:10:31 ◼   ► For him getting out?

01:10:32 ◼   ► But yeah, but that the corruption is so bad...

01:10:35 ◼   ► Oh, so somebody just waltzed them out the front door?

01:10:37 ◼   ► Yeah. That somebody decided... And there's a couple of people who work in the prison

01:10:43 ◼   ► who've been arrested already for not doing their jobs.

01:10:46 ◼   ► But that maybe they took it,

01:10:47 ◼   ► maybe he cut them a deal where it's like,

01:10:49 ◼   ► I'll send your family so much money,

01:10:51 ◼   ► you'll do a couple years, you'll do five years or whatever,

01:10:55 ◼   ► but I'll make it worth your while.

01:10:56 ◼   ► And then they made this fake tunnel

01:10:58 ◼   ► just to have a cover story.

01:11:00 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:11:02 ◼   ► Either way that means that.

01:11:03 ◼   ► - I know, I like the previous.

01:11:06 ◼   ► I like to think that they made the whole tunnel.

01:11:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, I do too.

01:11:12 ◼   ► That's just, that's much more, that's much more romantic. The other one is, uh,

01:11:15 ◼   ► this, uh, disappointing that it's just simple corruption.

01:11:20 ◼   ► I don't mean to laugh. I mean, it's, you know, yeah, it's not,

01:11:29 ◼   ► it's not great that he's out, but right. I mean, you know,

01:11:33 ◼   ► they didn't kill anybody on the way out, but he'll probably get somebody. Oh.

01:11:37 ◼   ► And the other thing, the,

01:11:39 ◼   ► This is the other part that makes it so amusing,

01:11:42 ◼   ► is that he got into it, or either he

01:11:47 ◼   ► or somebody with his official Twitter account

01:11:50 ◼   ► got into a bit of a ruckus with Donald Trump.

01:11:53 ◼   ► Have you heard this?

01:11:56 ◼   ► - What was I asleep all week?

01:11:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

01:12:00 ◼   ► So I guess he busted out, and Donald Trump,

01:12:03 ◼   ► this fit right into Donald Trump's narrative

01:12:05 ◼   ► that Mexico is not to be trusted,

01:12:10 ◼   ► and that there's sort of a criminal element

01:12:13 ◼   ► running wild down there or whatever.

01:12:15 ◼   ► I don't know, Donald Trump shot his mouth off

01:12:18 ◼   ► that if he were president,

01:12:19 ◼   ► nobody would be breaking out of Mexico.

01:12:23 ◼   ► - I did see that, I didn't understand it.

01:12:25 ◼   ► I didn't because I didn't know who El Chapo was.

01:12:27 ◼   ► - But then after he shot his mouth off,

01:12:34 ◼   ► there was something like an unofficial Twitter account

01:12:39 ◼   ► for El Chapo that tweeted at Donald Trump

01:12:42 ◼   ► that he better shut his mouth and watch his back.

01:12:46 ◼   ► - El Chapo's media intern fired back angrily.

01:12:52 ◼   ► That's gonna look interesting on a resume.

01:13:02 ◼   ► - I was a social media manager for El Chapo.

01:13:05 ◼   ► - I just like the idea that the guy busted out

01:13:09 ◼   ► of the second, the most secure prison in all of Mexico

01:13:12 ◼   ► for the second time with all this publicity

01:13:15 ◼   ► and then he gets on Twitter and starts getting upset

01:13:18 ◼   ► that Donald Trump is talking bad about him.

01:13:20 ◼   ► So anyway, if anybody out there is listening

01:13:29 ◼   ► from El Chapo's crew.

01:13:31 ◼   ► - We're highly respectful.

01:13:34 ◼   ► - We are, and hats off to you for escaping.

01:13:38 ◼   ► No insult implied.

01:13:42 ◼   ► We don't need any trouble.

01:13:45 ◼   ► El Chapo put, what's it say here?

01:13:48 ◼   ► I just Googled this.

01:13:49 ◼   ► El Chapo puts $100 million bounty for Donald Trump dead.

01:13:55 ◼   ► Wow, that's from TMZ.

01:13:56 ◼   ► I don't know if that's true.

01:13:57 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:13:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, only if it comes straight from El Chapo's Twitter

01:14:03 ◼   ► account, can you trust it?

01:14:05 ◼   ► - I wonder if he has the check mark.

01:14:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:14:14 ◼   ► - Verified El Chapo.

01:14:18 ◼   ► - All right, what else is going on?

01:14:25 ◼   ► Bit of follow up, bit of follow up with Jason Snell

01:14:28 ◼   ► on the previous episode we had talked about the new Pebble Time smartwatch and

01:14:34 ◼   ► I complained about the the my two big complaints about the one that I bought

01:14:39 ◼   ► were that the screen it was very very low contrast I couldn't read it and the

01:14:44 ◼   ► fonts are too small and that the the vibration alert is way too strong and

01:14:50 ◼   ► powerful so they came out in the meantime I guess they did listen to my

01:14:56 ◼   ► show they put out a software update that gives you a little bit of control over

01:15:00 ◼   ► the screen and over the taptic response and so I got some email from people who

01:15:06 ◼   ► are like holy cow you just complained about this you know they've fixed it it

01:15:10 ◼   ► doesn't really fix either of them in my opinion the taptic thing maybe a little

01:15:15 ◼   ► bit but it still is is taptic thing it seems to me I installed the update it

01:15:21 ◼   ► does seem like turning that down lessens the feeling like I'm getting an electric

01:15:24 ◼   ► shock when it vibrates on my wrist, but it's still loud.

01:15:29 ◼   ► I still can hear it.

01:15:30 ◼   ► And the brightness thing doesn't solve any

01:15:33 ◼   ► of the problems at all, because the brightness

01:15:35 ◼   ► is only when the backlight is on, and it is brighter,

01:15:39 ◼   ► and that can help a little bit,

01:15:41 ◼   ► but it doesn't help the contrast at all,

01:15:43 ◼   ► and it doesn't help at all with the lack of contrast

01:15:46 ◼   ► when the backlight isn't on at all.

01:15:48 ◼   ► So I still have to give a thumbs down to the pebble time.

01:15:54 ◼   ► - I'm assuming that Pebble is in the smartwatch market share numbers that came out.

01:16:10 ◼   ► - I guess so.

01:16:11 ◼   ► - I think that's part of the news from this week, the smartwatch.

01:16:16 ◼   ► - It doesn't say specifically, it just says Apple, Samsung and others.

01:16:20 ◼   ► And Pebble's, well I don't know, is Pebble,

01:16:24 ◼   ► I would think Pebble would be bigger than Samsung,

01:16:25 ◼   ► but I really have no idea.

01:16:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know about that.

01:16:28 ◼   ► Samsung might be ahead of Pebble,

01:16:29 ◼   ► but Pebble's got it ranked somewhere on there.

01:16:31 ◼   ► I mean, they've sold, you know.

01:16:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, well they only have three,

01:16:34 ◼   ► Apple, Samsung, and others.

01:16:37 ◼   ► So this is strategy analytics.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Saying that Apple Watch captures

01:16:43 ◼   ► 75% global smartwatch market share in Q2 2015.

01:16:49 ◼   ► which doesn't, I mean, you know,

01:16:51 ◼   ► that doesn't seem terribly surprising.

01:16:53 ◼   ► Even though nobody really knows how many they shipped.

01:16:59 ◼   ► - No, nobody knows, so.

01:17:01 ◼   ► - So there.

01:17:04 ◼   ► - But on the other hand-- - You think you know,

01:17:08 ◼   ► you're wrong.

01:17:09 ◼   ► - On the other hand, nobody knows how many Samsung

01:17:11 ◼   ► has ever shipped because Samsung stopped reporting

01:17:13 ◼   ► all those numbers for everything, not just for watches,

01:17:16 ◼   ► but for smartphones and stuff too a while ago.

01:17:18 ◼   ► So, you know.

01:17:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I was talking about this with Dan

01:17:23 ◼   ► and Guy on our show and,

01:17:26 ◼   ► I just, why does Apple,

01:17:31 ◼   ► why is Apple the one that seems to report all this stuff

01:17:33 ◼   ► and nobody else does?

01:17:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's always a little funny to me

01:17:37 ◼   ► that Apple, which has long had the reputation

01:17:40 ◼   ► as being the most secretive of companies,

01:17:42 ◼   ► is the one that, you know,

01:17:44 ◼   ► reveals the most about its sales and stuff like that.

01:17:47 ◼   ► And now that they're not, they're still being held

01:17:52 ◼   ► to a different standard.

01:17:54 ◼   ► - Amazon doesn't even know how to put a label on an access.

01:18:01 ◼   ► - I like that people like--

01:18:05 ◼   ► - They'll only report numbers.

01:18:06 ◼   ► - Snell, when he was tweeting or posting some of the results

01:18:11 ◼   ► from all the companies that posted stuff

01:18:16 ◼   ► in the last week or two.

01:18:17 ◼   ► 'Cause in the interim, Apple has reported

01:18:19 ◼   ► its quarterly results and a couple other companies did too.

01:18:22 ◼   ► He calls them Amazon charts.

01:18:25 ◼   ► So among the many charts he made

01:18:27 ◼   ► for Apple's quarterly results is he made one

01:18:30 ◼   ► for Apple Watch sales and it just has a bunch of quarters

01:18:34 ◼   ► with nothing. - A line going up.

01:18:37 ◼   ► - Then a line going up and with no access.

01:18:40 ◼   ► Q3, up.

01:18:41 ◼   ► Sales are up from since before it went on sale.

01:18:45 ◼   ► Yeah, the first quarter is really the best, right?

01:18:52 ◼   ► They just shoot straight up.

01:19:00 ◼   ► So I haven't really been paying attention.

01:19:02 ◼   ► What has happened to Apple's stock price since then?

01:19:05 ◼   ► I know overnight when they first released their results, their stock dropped something

01:19:14 ◼   ► like 6% overnight.

01:19:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it looks like it's still down.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Although it seems like it's returned a little bit.

01:19:22 ◼   ► - Down from when though?

01:19:23 ◼   ► - Well, from before they reported the results.

01:19:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:19:27 ◼   ► So it's at 1.22 now.

01:19:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, before they announced their results,

01:19:36 ◼   ► it was up around like 1.30ish, 1.32.

01:19:38 ◼   ► - Still way up for the year.

01:19:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:19:41 ◼   ► - But it's been sort of flat since about February.

01:19:45 ◼   ► I mean, going up and down,

01:19:48 ◼   ► but not really getting out of that same range.

01:19:51 ◼   ► - Which, you know, on the whole,

01:19:55 ◼   ► again, what am I, am I a financial expert?

01:19:57 ◼   ► But it seems to make sense to me

01:20:00 ◼   ► that a large, very large, and predictable company

01:20:05 ◼   ► should have a relatively stable stock.

01:20:11 ◼   ► Like, I don't know.

01:20:12 ◼   ► To me, it has been, and I can laugh

01:20:15 ◼   ► because I don't have my money in Apple.

01:20:17 ◼   ► But I, and I worry sometimes.

01:20:19 ◼   ► I was thinking about it the other day

01:20:20 ◼   ► that I crack jokes about the volatility

01:20:23 ◼   ► of Apple's stock price.

01:20:25 ◼   ► And it occurred to me that there's probably

01:20:27 ◼   ► an awful lot of people who read "Daring Fireball"

01:20:29 ◼   ► and listen to this show who it's not very funny at all.

01:20:32 ◼   ► - Not very funny. (laughs)

01:20:36 ◼   ► - And again, and I don't think it's, you know,

01:20:38 ◼   ► I don't think it's the knee jerk,

01:20:39 ◼   ► oh, well, they're fans of Apple,

01:20:42 ◼   ► so they put their money in Apple.

01:20:44 ◼   ► I think it's probably because they're smart people

01:20:46 ◼   ► and it's been a very good buy for a long time.

01:20:50 ◼   ► And I think that a reasonable person

01:20:52 ◼   ► could reasonably expect that their future remains bright.

01:20:58 ◼   ► So this has nothing to do with investing in a company

01:21:01 ◼   ► 'cause you're a fan, I think it's smart.

01:21:03 ◼   ► And I think that when they reveal record-breaking

01:21:08 ◼   ► quarterly results.

01:21:10 ◼   ► And the market cap drops $50 billion in after hours trading.

01:21:16 ◼   ► It's not very funny at all.

01:21:19 ◼   ► - Why are we laughing?

01:21:22 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:21:23 ◼   ► I do think in all seriousness though,

01:21:24 ◼   ► I think, and again, I'm not an expert.

01:21:27 ◼   ► I know that one of the strategic differences

01:21:30 ◼   ► the company has made in this Tim Cook era

01:21:33 ◼   ► from the Steve Jobs era is that they've gotten involved

01:21:36 ◼   ► in the stock buybacks and the,

01:21:39 ◼   ► what do you call it when they give money

01:21:42 ◼   ► back to the shareholders? - Dividends.

01:21:43 ◼   ► - Dividends.

01:21:44 ◼   ► The dividends, I don't know, maybe not so much,

01:21:48 ◼   ► but with the stock buybacks,

01:21:49 ◼   ► that it actually, it's a way to mitigate that

01:21:52 ◼   ► because presumably, if Apple's smart,

01:21:56 ◼   ► they waited until after they announced these results

01:21:59 ◼   ► to do more of the stock. - To buy the stock.

01:22:01 ◼   ► - Right, that if they could,

01:22:03 ◼   ► if they are smart enough to foresee

01:22:05 ◼   ► that the fact that there's so many people

01:22:08 ◼   ► whose expectations were so high

01:22:10 ◼   ► that this was considered disappointing

01:22:13 ◼   ► even though it broke records.

01:22:14 ◼   ► - Well I guess that's the nice thing

01:22:17 ◼   ► about being an Apple investor currently

01:22:19 ◼   ► is that even if the stock is flat,

01:22:20 ◼   ► there are other things that make it an attractive buy.

01:22:24 ◼   ► - Right, right.

01:22:26 ◼   ► Just sit there and hold it

01:22:27 ◼   ► and you're gonna make more money than you would

01:22:30 ◼   ► compared to interest rates.

01:22:34 ◼   ► or spending it like I do.

01:22:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:22:38 ◼   ► But the five, you look at the five year,

01:22:44 ◼   ► it's pretty good.

01:22:47 ◼   ► There was a big, there was kind of a run up in 2012

01:22:51 ◼   ► and then it came back down towards the end.

01:22:53 ◼   ► But since then it's been climbing fairly steadily.

01:22:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, if you smooth out 2012 to 2013,

01:23:02 ◼   ► it still goes up.

01:23:03 ◼   ► It went, but it's, you know, it's in the long run, it looks like a,

01:23:07 ◼   ► clearly an anomaly. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Boy.

01:23:11 ◼   ► I mean it seems like we got the, we got over the, the fear that Tim Cook was not,

01:23:16 ◼   ► you know, not the man for the job.

01:23:19 ◼   ► Well it's, but, but the, the,

01:23:22 ◼   ► the run-up was under Tim Cook too because jobs died at the end of 2011.

01:23:27 ◼   ► Yeah. I think there was sort of, I think there was sort of a,

01:23:30 ◼   ► I think there was a mania in 2012 where there was,

01:23:33 ◼   ► holy shit, they didn't just shut the doors, right?

01:23:38 ◼   ► They didn't just shut the doors.

01:23:39 ◼   ► It seems like the company is still,

01:23:42 ◼   ► employees are still showing up for work.

01:23:44 ◼   ► The lights are still on in Cupertino.

01:23:48 ◼   ► So there was like a mania and they ran it up

01:23:51 ◼   ► and then there was the second half of the year,

01:23:55 ◼   ► which is, boy, I had some of the best claim chowder

01:23:57 ◼   ► of all time where the Apple board should fire Tim Cook.

01:24:02 ◼   ► Why has it taken so long for the Apple board

01:24:05 ◼   ► to fire Tim Cook?

01:24:06 ◼   ► - Those are good times.

01:24:09 ◼   ► - Good times.

01:24:10 ◼   ► I bet, again, I bet that was a great time to be Tim Cook.

01:24:13 ◼   ► Not that he was worried.

01:24:17 ◼   ► I'm sure he wasn't worried.

01:24:18 ◼   ► - No, no, not at all.

01:24:19 ◼   ► I thought it was funny.

01:24:22 ◼   ► - You know, Al Gore's online too.

01:24:26 ◼   ► Tim, I've been reading and...

01:24:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:31 ◼   ► It sounds, I guess that's a little bit more

01:24:32 ◼   ► like a Bill Clinton.

01:24:33 ◼   ► - That's a little bit, but still pretty good.

01:24:36 ◼   ► - Bill Clinton's on line three.

01:24:37 ◼   ► - Well, that's great, for some reason

01:24:38 ◼   ► Bill Clinton's on line three.

01:24:40 ◼   ► - I've been reading Business Insider.

01:24:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:43 ◼   ► - I'll do 'em.

01:24:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:46 ◼   ► Forbes.

01:24:50 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:52 ◼   ► Some guy on Forbes says you shouldn't be

01:24:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:24:56 ◼   ► - Is that true?

01:24:58 ◼   ► - Forbes contributor.

01:25:00 ◼   ► So the stock is doing well.

01:25:07 ◼   ► The company is doing well.

01:25:08 ◼   ► They have a lot of money.

01:25:11 ◼   ► And we still have five gigabytes of iCloud storage.

01:25:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:25:16 ◼   ► - And eight gigabyte iPhone 5Cs.

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01:25:35 ◼   ► You guys know Fracture.

01:25:36 ◼   ► They are the company.

01:25:38 ◼   ► You send them, you sign up.

01:25:39 ◼   ► We don't even sign up.

01:25:40 ◼   ► You just go there.

01:25:40 ◼   ► You send them your photos.

01:25:41 ◼   ► Pick a favorite photo of yours.

01:25:44 ◼   ► Give it to them.

01:25:45 ◼   ► Pick a size.

01:25:47 ◼   ► They print it directly on pure glass.

01:25:50 ◼   ► Your photo right on the glass.

01:25:51 ◼   ► They package it up, comes right to you,

01:25:54 ◼   ► and in the package is everything you need.

01:25:56 ◼   ► It's got a foam back.

01:25:58 ◼   ► You can just, if it's big,

01:25:59 ◼   ► it's got everything you need to mount it on the wall.

01:26:01 ◼   ► They give you the screws you need

01:26:03 ◼   ► for mounting it on the wall.

01:26:04 ◼   ► You wanna prop it up on your mantle

01:26:08 ◼   ► or on your desk or something like that.

01:26:09 ◼   ► They've got everything you need for that.

01:26:11 ◼   ► It's amazing packaging, amazing print quality.

01:26:14 ◼   ► But here's the thing.

01:26:15 ◼   ► It breaks you out of having everything digital

01:26:19 ◼   ► and looking at your photos of your family,

01:26:23 ◼   ► everything, places you've gone, stuff like that.

01:26:25 ◼   ► It breaks you out of only experiencing these things

01:26:28 ◼   ► on screens, right?

01:26:30 ◼   ► Your Mac, your iPhone, something like that.

01:26:32 ◼   ► It brings them into the analog world

01:26:34 ◼   ► and there's an emotional aspect to that

01:26:37 ◼   ► that it's just hard to explain.

01:26:40 ◼   ► I'm trying to do it right here, but it's hard.

01:26:42 ◼   ► But it really does mean something to me at least.

01:26:45 ◼   ► And I know that in my house,

01:26:48 ◼   ► We like having the pictures printed out

01:26:50 ◼   ► and it really makes a difference.

01:26:52 ◼   ► And there's no better way to do it than fracture.

01:26:57 ◼   ► Give your photos, this is what they say,

01:26:59 ◼   ► give your photos the analog beauty they deserve.

01:27:02 ◼   ► And it's amazing to me, given how good the iPhone camera is,

01:27:08 ◼   ► how big you can print a photo

01:27:10 ◼   ► that you've taken with your phone

01:27:12 ◼   ► and still have it look good

01:27:14 ◼   ► when it's hanging on a wall printed out.

01:27:16 ◼   ► I still, in the back of my mind,

01:27:18 ◼   ► I still think phone photo equals like 640 by 480.

01:27:23 ◼   ► Don't print it very big or you're gonna see the pixels

01:27:25 ◼   ► or whatever.

01:27:26 ◼   ► It's amazing what photos from an iPhone 5S or 6,

01:27:31 ◼   ► what they can look like when you print them real big.

01:27:34 ◼   ► And Fracture does a great job of it.

01:27:36 ◼   ► So here's where you go.

01:27:38 ◼   ► Go to their website, fractureme.com.

01:27:42 ◼   ► And the code for this show is daring fireball,

01:27:45 ◼   ► all one word.

01:27:47 ◼   ► And if it's your first order, you save 15% by using that code.

01:27:52 ◼   ► So go to fractureme.com and remember the code

01:27:55 ◼   ► during Fireball.

01:27:56 ◼   ► You'll save some bucks.

01:27:57 ◼   ► So go print a photo.

01:27:58 ◼   ► Print a photo.

01:28:00 ◼   ► Trust me, you're going to appreciate it.

01:28:04 ◼   ► I said on the last show-- they've sponsored the last show,

01:28:06 ◼   ► too.

01:28:06 ◼   ► They sent me a nice picture.

01:28:07 ◼   ► Complimentary, just as part of our friendship,

01:28:10 ◼   ► them sponsoring the show and me saying good things about them.

01:28:13 ◼   ► They sent me a print of me and Phil Schiller on stage.

01:28:16 ◼   ► Got it right here.

01:28:17 ◼   ► Right here in my office as I speak.

01:28:22 ◼   ► - Was he talking about me?

01:28:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:28:26 ◼   ► - He did, he was cracking jokes.

01:28:28 ◼   ► I like molds.

01:28:29 ◼   ► That should have been the title of the episode.

01:28:33 ◼   ► I like molds.

01:28:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:28:37 ◼   ► - It's on my resume now.

01:28:38 ◼   ► - It's on my resume.

01:28:39 ◼   ► He was mad that I cracked a molds joke.

01:28:42 ◼   ► - As well he should be.

01:28:46 ◼   ► - You can say what you want about iCloud.

01:28:48 ◼   ► Say what you want about 16.

01:28:50 ◼   ► You can say what you want about 16 gigabyte phones,

01:28:52 ◼   ► but you start cracking jokes about molds.

01:28:54 ◼   ► - Schiller's at your door.

01:28:58 ◼   ► - So have you seen this, there's a new documentary

01:29:02 ◼   ► coming out about Steve Jobs.

01:29:04 ◼   ► - Oh, the documentary.

01:29:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, that one.

01:29:07 ◼   ► - That's the one you wanna talk about, not the other one.

01:29:09 ◼   ► - And it seems to me like they are,

01:29:11 ◼   ► I mean, I guess it was done.

01:29:13 ◼   ► I don't even know why, the independent movie business

01:29:16 ◼   ► seems so complicated to me,

01:29:18 ◼   ► 'cause they screened it at South by Southwest this year,

01:29:22 ◼   ► which was March.

01:29:23 ◼   ► Alex Gibney, and I've seen some of his movies.

01:29:31 ◼   ► I saw his Scientology movie, Going Clear,

01:29:34 ◼   ► Scientology and the Prison of Belief,

01:29:36 ◼   ► which was really highly regarded.

01:29:39 ◼   ► And I find Scientology fascinating.

01:29:42 ◼   ► It's just such a weird, crazy thing.

01:29:45 ◼   ► Like it's a religion, like a religious cult

01:29:48 ◼   ► for rich celebrities. (laughs)

01:29:52 ◼   ► - No, you're gonna get letters.

01:29:54 ◼   ► - Well, I don't know.

01:29:55 ◼   ► - Talk about people coming to your door.

01:29:57 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:29:58 ◼   ► - Come to my door.

01:29:59 ◼   ► You know, I used to get a lot of Scientology paraphernalia.

01:30:04 ◼   ► Did I ever tell you that?

01:30:06 ◼   ► - No.

01:30:07 ◼   ► - Well, when I was growing up,

01:30:09 ◼   ► I read a lot of science fiction.

01:30:11 ◼   ► a lot of science fiction.

01:30:13 ◼   ► I consumed it vociferously.

01:30:15 ◼   ► Was that the word?

01:30:17 ◼   ► I read as much of it, voraciously.

01:30:18 ◼   ► I read as much of it as I could get.

01:30:20 ◼   ► And at some point I read some of the books by

01:30:25 ◼   ► L. Ron Hubbard.

01:30:27 ◼   ► I forget this series, I don't know.

01:30:30 ◼   ► It was one of the, some crazy shit that he wrote late.

01:30:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's the one that they made the stupid triple--

01:30:36 ◼   ► - No, I read that one too.

01:30:37 ◼   ► There was Battlefield Earth, which was one novel,

01:30:39 ◼   ► and then there was another one,

01:30:40 ◼   ► which was like a series of 10 novels.

01:30:43 ◼   ► And I didn't think it was good.

01:30:47 ◼   ► And it was weird.

01:30:49 ◼   ► It seemed, I swear to God, I'm not making this up.

01:30:51 ◼   ► I'm not making this up.

01:30:52 ◼   ► It seemed weird to me.

01:30:54 ◼   ► And I was like 10th or 11th grade.

01:30:56 ◼   ► And it seemed weird to me that the bad guys

01:30:59 ◼   ► in this space opera, it was something about aliens.

01:31:02 ◼   ► And most people on Earth don't know the aliens are there.

01:31:05 ◼   ► And then there's a good guy who's protecting Earth.

01:31:07 ◼   ► And there's bad guys from another planet

01:31:09 ◼   ► who are trying to take over the earth

01:31:11 ◼   ► or something like that.

01:31:12 ◼   ► And the bad guys are psychiatrists.

01:31:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, well. - And I thought

01:31:20 ◼   ► that was a little weird.

01:31:21 ◼   ► - Until you look into Scientology

01:31:25 ◼   ► and then it suddenly becomes.

01:31:27 ◼   ► - Right, but I guess I mail ordered the books

01:31:32 ◼   ► or something like that.

01:31:33 ◼   ► Well, then I started getting Scientology stuff in the mail.

01:31:38 ◼   ► And I did not ask for that.

01:31:41 ◼   ► And I didn't even know it was the same guy.

01:31:44 ◼   ► 'Cause you remember in the '80s,

01:31:45 ◼   ► there used to be commercials for the Dianetics all the time.

01:31:48 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah, right.

01:31:49 ◼   ► - With the volcanoes exploding and stuff like that.

01:31:52 ◼   ► They sent me stuff like that.

01:31:55 ◼   ► And my dad, it wasn't like an intervention,

01:31:57 ◼   ► but my dad was like,

01:31:58 ◼   ► "How come all this stuff is coming for you?"

01:32:00 ◼   ► And I was like, "Oh, well, I read this guy's

01:32:02 ◼   ► like Star Wars type book,

01:32:05 ◼   ► and I guess they signed me up for this."

01:32:07 ◼   ► He goes, "Well, donkey."

01:32:09 ◼   ► My dad--

01:32:10 ◼   ► - I guess I'm in a cult now, I guess.

01:32:11 ◼   ► - My dad's advice was don't get into this shit.

01:32:14 ◼   ► (both laughing)

01:32:17 ◼   ► - He was right.

01:32:19 ◼   ► - But anyway, Gibney made a documentary about Scientology

01:32:25 ◼   ► that was well-regarded, and I enjoyed it,

01:32:28 ◼   ► but I didn't think, I enjoyed it

01:32:31 ◼   ► because I'm interested in the subject,

01:32:33 ◼   ► but I thought it was sort of a weird documentary.

01:32:36 ◼   ► but now he's made one about Steve Jobs.

01:32:40 ◼   ► - Right, and this is the one that the Apple executives

01:32:42 ◼   ► have objected to.

01:32:43 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:32:46 ◼   ► - Like, ADQ, I think, was the one who tweeted about

01:32:50 ◼   ► how it was mean-spirited or something like that.

01:32:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

01:32:54 ◼   ► - Not the man that he knew.

01:32:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I guess he saw it at South by Southwest?

01:32:58 ◼   ► I don't know, I guess, I hope he saw it.

01:33:00 ◼   ► I hope he's not saying it without having seen it.

01:33:04 ◼   ► And the preview looks great.

01:33:06 ◼   ► I'll put the trailer in the show notes.

01:33:11 ◼   ► Here I am copying and pasting it right now

01:33:12 ◼   ► so I don't forget.

01:33:14 ◼   ► I think I've been doing a good job, just as a meta note,

01:33:16 ◼   ► I do think I've been doing a better job lately

01:33:18 ◼   ► of actually putting in the show notes everything

01:33:20 ◼   ► that I claim to put in the show notes.

01:33:22 ◼   ► The trailer looks interesting,

01:33:26 ◼   ► and it makes it look like it's a fair and balanced

01:33:30 ◼   ► look at the guy's life.

01:33:33 ◼   ► But the poster to me is a little worrisome.

01:33:36 ◼   ► Did you see, have you seen the poster?

01:33:38 ◼   ► - No, I have not.

01:33:40 ◼   ► - Let me see if I can find a link to the poster.

01:33:42 ◼   ► The poster is sort of a weird.

01:33:44 ◼   ► - So this is Steve Jobs, the man in the machine.

01:33:48 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:33:49 ◼   ► Not to be confused with the other popular movie, Ex Machina.

01:33:53 ◼   ► - Also that's Steve Jobs.

01:33:57 ◼   ► Which Steve Jobs builds a robot.

01:34:00 ◼   ► - Oh man, where's the poster for this movie?

01:34:03 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:34:05 ◼   ► Gotta find the poster.

01:34:06 ◼   ► - Is it in there?

01:34:08 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

01:34:09 ◼   ► The one that's just his face?

01:34:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like a weird Photoshop job,

01:34:13 ◼   ► 'cause that's not what he, yeah, you know?

01:34:15 ◼   ► It's, they've sort of, yeah, definitely.

01:34:19 ◼   ► 'Cause you can find the original image for that,

01:34:22 ◼   ► and it's like they've made him look sinister.

01:34:25 ◼   ► I don't know how else to say it,

01:34:26 ◼   ► but they've sort of sinister--

01:34:28 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, it's like it's all,

01:34:30 ◼   ► they made the background black instead of, right?

01:34:33 ◼   ► - Yeah. - It looks like he's in

01:34:34 ◼   ► the shadows instead of just standing in a room.

01:34:38 ◼   ► - And they kind of gave him like devil eyes,

01:34:40 ◼   ► you know what I mean?

01:34:42 ◼   ► Like they've, there's like a Photoshop filter.

01:34:44 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:34:45 ◼   ► The eyes do look different, don't they?

01:34:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:34:49 ◼   ► Well, he had very dark, he had very dark eyes,

01:34:54 ◼   ► so his eyes wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to see,

01:34:56 ◼   ► it looks at, you know what I mean?

01:34:58 ◼   ► like if you have dark brown or black eyes,

01:35:02 ◼   ► you don't see the cornea, or not the cornea,

01:35:04 ◼   ► what's that called, the iris like that.

01:35:06 ◼   ► - Right.

01:35:07 ◼   ► - But it makes it look sort of like what happened

01:35:10 ◼   ► to Anakin Skywalker when he went to the dark side.

01:35:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:35:15 ◼   ► I don't know, so I'm a little worried.

01:35:18 ◼   ► I do think-- - It's not talking

01:35:19 ◼   ► about the prequels.

01:35:20 ◼   ► - I am going to watch this movie, but I did not watch.

01:35:24 ◼   ► Have you ever watched the Ashton Kutcher one?

01:35:26 ◼   ► - I have not seen any of them.

01:35:27 ◼   ► I did not see the Ashton Kutcher one because I didn't even see Pirates of Silicon Valley.

01:35:31 ◼   ► I just I really don't have a lot of tolerance for these.

01:35:35 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:35:39 ◼   ► I mean I would rather read a factual account and I guess this is

01:35:43 ◼   ► this will probably be more factual but eh, yeah.

01:35:47 ◼   ► So you're not going to go see this. I don't have

01:35:51 ◼   ► plans to go see it. It's

01:35:55 ◼   ► Maybe it's too on point, I don't know.

01:35:57 ◼   ► It seems like,

01:35:58 ◼   ► it seems like the thing that I would go see,

01:36:02 ◼   ► so that's why I don't wanna go see it.

01:36:04 ◼   ► - No.