The Talk Show

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00:00:22 ◼   ► Oh boy, I'm way into this.

00:00:24 ◼   ► You have no idea how long I've been, how I've been looking forward to this.

00:00:29 ◼   ► that weird? Should I not? Should I play it cool? No, I don't think it's weird at all. If anything,

00:00:34 ◼   ► I feel like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you about, I mean I've been wanting to talk

00:00:37 ◼   ► to you about this ever since we were in Montreal last year and we both talked to each other into

00:00:41 ◼   ► being super excited about the watch. Is that I feel like too many other people are playing it

00:00:45 ◼   ► cool and they're trying to be credible. Reserving judgment. Yeah, and that's totally cool to,

00:00:55 ◼   ► you know, I think just being completely honest. There's, you know, a lot of things to complain

00:00:58 ◼   ► about too, but I feel like, I don't know, I feel like not being excited about it. What's the fun

00:01:03 ◼   ► in that? Oh no, this has got, I mean, you got to treat this like Christmas. When I was probably

00:01:10 ◼   ► seven years old, I got a transformer watch, a wristwatch that was a transformer for Hanukkah

00:01:17 ◼   ► and I cried. Tears of joy. Tears of joy, yeah, tears of transformer Hanukkah joy. And I think

00:01:25 ◼   ► that I there's no reason I shouldn't have the same reaction literally as opposed as opposed to

00:01:31 ◼   ► the kid across the street who got a go bot's watch and cried because it's because it was the go box

00:01:40 ◼   ► go box was like the original Samsung

00:01:52 ◼   ► So you reminded me that I used to be a watch guy.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I haven't, I haven't for so long.

00:02:00 ◼   ► But when I was a kid, my grandfather was an accountant

00:02:04 ◼   ► and one of his clients was I think a reseller

00:02:07 ◼   ► of Casio watches.

00:02:09 ◼   ► And so every, like once a year, he would hand me down

00:02:13 ◼   ► the latest, like the last year's version of a data bank

00:02:16 ◼   ► or whatever it was.

00:02:18 ◼   ► And that was just, I think that was like just,

00:02:22 ◼   ► early gadget fetish for me.

00:02:25 ◼   ► And like you said,

00:02:27 ◼   ► last, your last episode with Multsy,

00:02:32 ◼   ► you were talking about how inscrutable those interfaces were

00:02:35 ◼   ► and how you basically had to memorize like the equivalent

00:02:39 ◼   ► of a NES Contra code.

00:02:44 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:02:44 ◼   ► - Just in order to like get to timer mode

00:02:47 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:02:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was like triple click the lower right button

00:02:50 ◼   ► to get into the mode where you can set the alarm.

00:02:53 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:02:54 ◼   ► - Which looked exactly like the mode for setting the time,

00:02:57 ◼   ► except that there was a little tiny button,

00:02:59 ◼   ► like an A, that would flash.

00:03:00 ◼   ► That meant, hey, this is the alarm.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And then you would just have to know

00:03:04 ◼   ► that you were setting the time for your alarm

00:03:06 ◼   ► and not changing the time on your watch.

00:03:08 ◼   ► - Right.

00:03:09 ◼   ► But once you got there, it felt so good.

00:03:11 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:03:12 ◼   ► One of the things, it's just a little thing,

00:03:14 ◼   ► and I know that it's,

00:03:18 ◼   ► I feel like the two main points of the big question marks

00:03:22 ◼   ► is should anybody be excited about Apple Watch in general

00:03:27 ◼   ► as just a thing they might wanna wear on their wrist?

00:03:30 ◼   ► And then there's this whole other angle

00:03:32 ◼   ► where I know that as time goes on, you say things,

00:03:34 ◼   ► and I keep seeing it on Twitter when people,

00:03:37 ◼   ► people like to complain on Twitter.

00:03:38 ◼   ► I don't know if you ever noticed that.

00:03:39 ◼   ► But then they'll say, you mean,

00:03:41 ◼   ► and they'll say, this is a really cool thing you can do.

00:03:43 ◼   ► This is a nice part of wearing the Apple Watch every day.

00:03:46 ◼   ► and then they say, you mean exactly like every other smartwatch on the market for the last

00:03:49 ◼   ► two years? And it's like, okay, yeah, you know, maybe they, you know, give some points

00:03:54 ◼   ► to some of these other guys for shipping first. I mean, but it doesn't take away that it's

00:03:58 ◼   ► a nice part of the experience on the wrist. And one of those things, one of those little

00:04:02 ◼   ► things is that you never have to set the time on the watch. It's like once you've paired

00:04:06 ◼   ► it with your phone, it always just gets the time.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Pete: Yeah, I mean, that's one of those things that's completely invisible. I've not once

00:04:15 ◼   ► thought about that fact except that's just the time you take it for granted because

00:04:19 ◼   ► clocks set themselves now that's what clocks do right and i was thinking about that with the

00:04:25 ◼   ► context of those old digital watches like i wrote about from my teenage years where i can't even

00:04:30 ◼   ► remember whether some of them and i i guess i just went through them every couple years because they

00:04:34 ◼   ► even back then they weren't that expensive by the 80s like in the 70s digital watches were really

00:04:39 ◼   ► expensive and by the 80s they were you know you get them for your eighth grade son without thinking

00:04:43 ◼   ► about it. But I think that I had some that you could set the month, even though it didn't show it

00:04:50 ◼   ► like on the face because it was like too much detail, but then at least that way when like

00:04:54 ◼   ► April 30th rolls around and it goes to May 1st, it doesn't tell you that it's the 31st.

00:04:59 ◼   ► I think. But it was like you had to—it just was another thing you had to set though. Like if the

00:05:05 ◼   ► battery—like when you did change the battery and had to start over from scratch, you had to set

00:05:08 ◼   ► so many different fields, the hour, the date, the time, the day of the week, you know, all this stuff.

00:05:13 ◼   ► But I think at that point in technology we didn't...

00:05:17 ◼   ► We didn't...

00:05:18 ◼   ► I don't...

00:05:19 ◼   ► I just...

00:05:20 ◼   ► I might be wrong about this.

00:05:22 ◼   ► We weren't thinking that far in advance to...

00:05:25 ◼   ► We wanted our gadgets to know how to do things themselves.

00:05:28 ◼   ► I don't think that that was an expectation.

00:05:30 ◼   ► It was almost like, "No, of course.

00:05:31 ◼   ► It's like a manual transmission.

00:05:33 ◼   ► You want that control.

00:05:34 ◼   ► You want to take out of the box, unfold the 18-fold mostly Japanese instructions."

00:05:42 ◼   ► And then figure out what is the code you need to get to to get to world time or something

00:05:53 ◼   ► like that.

00:05:54 ◼   ► And that's part of the thing.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I wasn't even complaining about it and I didn't complain

00:05:59 ◼   ► about it when I did it.

00:06:00 ◼   ► I thought it was a cool feature.

00:06:01 ◼   ► I was like, "Hey, this is great.

00:06:02 ◼   ► This way when a short month rolls around, I won't have to worry about it.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I'll go through the hassle now of setting everything so that I don't have to do it again."

00:06:10 ◼   ► Yeah, so are people asking you, I mean obviously people on this, people online obviously, but

00:06:17 ◼   ► people in the world, are they seeing your watch and saying, "Hey, what do you think

00:06:22 ◼   ► of that?"

00:06:23 ◼   ► Yeah, totally.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I'm about, I haven't kept exact count, but if I had to guess, I would guess that

00:06:31 ◼   ► I'm 23 out of 25 for when I use Apple Pay at Whole Foods.

00:06:36 ◼   ► And that's probably about right, because it's been a little bit over a month and

00:06:40 ◼   ► I go there just about every day.

00:06:42 ◼   ► I'd say about 23 out of 25 times, the cashier has commented on it, even though I'm definitely

00:06:48 ◼   ► trying to do it as subtly as possible.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Because I'm trying—it's like I'm playing a game where I'm trying not to be noticed

00:06:53 ◼   ► using the watch to Apple Pay, and yet they inevitably notice.

00:06:58 ◼   ► And out of the two times that they didn't, the one time it was a cashier who I'd had

00:07:03 ◼   ► before, and she just kind of gave me the, "Oh, you're the guy who already has the

00:07:06 ◼   ► Apple Watch."

00:07:07 ◼   ► And then there was one time where cashier didn't didn't make note of it. That was her and she batted her eyelashes and you moved on

00:07:13 ◼   ► She was clearly impressed

00:07:16 ◼   ► With your prowess

00:07:18 ◼   ► Technological prowess I used it. I used Apple pay this morning for the first time because I

00:07:23 ◼   ► You know

00:07:24 ◼   ► I've been preparing to be on on on your show and I wanted to do everything I could possibly do like exercise for instance

00:07:31 ◼   ► Just so I knew that, you know got the well-rounded experience this morning. I used Apple pay

00:07:37 ◼   ► with the watch and my go-to for Apple Pay because I never remember where it's

00:07:41 ◼   ► gonna be is I go to McDonald's. So I went to McDonald's I got my egg white delight

00:07:47 ◼   ► McMuffin. Used the watch couldn't be easier. Cashier could it did not give a

00:07:56 ◼   ► shit. I paid it you know I guess it worked like it was supposed to. I took my

00:08:03 ◼   ► sandwich out to the parking lot ate it in the parking lot and went to work and

00:08:08 ◼   ► now I feel prepared like with I like I have no extra commentary on that

00:08:12 ◼   ► experience except that it worked exactly like it's supposed to and it makes you

00:08:16 ◼   ► feel like I've got a I've got a currency device on my on my wrist that's the

00:08:21 ◼   ► thing is that I'm noticing is is just how all-encompassing it is as a device

00:08:28 ◼   ► and I feel like what they've done is they've just prepared like all of the

00:08:32 ◼   ► pieces have kind of culminated in this thing that you now strap to yourself.

00:08:37 ◼   ► Tom Bilyeu Yeah, and I can kind of say, and this might be where you're going to, but I can kind of

00:08:44 ◼   ► see how they've already laid like the groundwork for like the Apple Watch from five years from now.

00:08:49 ◼   ► Like not even just like a 2.0 from next year, but I'm thinking like a lot further down the road

00:08:57 ◼   ► where all of the things that it doesn't have,

00:09:01 ◼   ► like it doesn't do cellular networking on its own

00:09:03 ◼   ► and it doesn't have its own storage

00:09:05 ◼   ► where you can keep all of your videos and stuff like that.

00:09:08 ◼   ► I could just see where this would have it all.

00:09:12 ◼   ► And then you would, you know, you could like

00:09:13 ◼   ► have like your iCloud, your whole iCloud thing.

00:09:17 ◼   ► - Totally.

00:09:18 ◼   ► I was, yeah, I mean, it definitely,

00:09:20 ◼   ► that's where I wanted to get this conversation to.

00:09:24 ◼   ► mostly because like you know just in a as a partly as a response to people who are

00:09:28 ◼   ► basically just like being negative nellies about where it is now without the

00:09:36 ◼   ► presence of mind to remember what iva iphone version one is what was what it was and what it

00:09:45 ◼   ► was like what it was missing and and how it iterated and how you know in the in the preview

00:09:50 ◼   ► in the next eight years it got to this incredible all-encompassing tool that almost kind of

00:09:57 ◼   ► feels like it's fully matured and that people don't necessarily step back outside of themselves

00:10:03 ◼   ► and say okay this is what this device is now I wonder what it's gonna be five years from

00:10:10 ◼   ► now like you said.

00:10:11 ◼   ► Yeah I'm trying to remember some of this stuff that wasn't in iPhone 1.0. I know there was

00:10:18 ◼   ► no notifications, like so you couldn't slide down from the top to see any kind of notifications,

00:10:22 ◼   ► and there was no control center from the bottom. It was really just the home screen of apps,

00:10:27 ◼   ► and it was one home screen because there were no other apps. And you would just hit the

00:10:32 ◼   ► home button to go to the home screen and hit an app to go to an app, and that was it. Like,

00:10:36 ◼   ► that was the scope of the whole system. You're either in an app, and if you're in an app,

00:10:41 ◼   ► the app had the whole screen, and otherwise you were on the home screen, and then you

00:10:45 ◼   ► we'd use that to launch an app and that was it.

00:10:47 ◼   ► And part of the brilliance of the design

00:10:49 ◼   ► is how simple that was.

00:10:50 ◼   ► - Absolutely, and it almost had to be constrained

00:10:53 ◼   ► in order to just teach us what the thing was.

00:10:57 ◼   ► So we could get like sort of acclimated to the language

00:11:01 ◼   ► and then they could start to grow it out.

00:11:04 ◼   ► And I wonder, so then I wonder how you extend that

00:11:07 ◼   ► to the watch and what it's,

00:11:09 ◼   ► I mean, there are things about the UI right now

00:11:11 ◼   ► that I don't get naturally and I don't,

00:11:13 ◼   ► and they kind of annoy me, you know,

00:11:15 ◼   ► like the app, the home screen full of apps

00:11:20 ◼   ► is fun to play with, but I don't necessarily feel

00:11:24 ◼   ► like it's perfectly natural yet.

00:11:26 ◼   ► - No, and I'm, I still even a month in 'em,

00:11:29 ◼   ► I tapped the wrong app.

00:11:30 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, the tap targets are weird.

00:11:35 ◼   ► - They're not, maybe they're a little too small,

00:11:39 ◼   ► but they're definitely too close to each other.

00:11:42 ◼   ► That's the bigger problem isn't necessarily the size,

00:11:44 ◼   ► 'cause I did, I think I said this with Multi

00:11:46 ◼   ► or with Joanne Stern, I actually took out a ruler

00:11:49 ◼   ► and measured, and they are a quarter of an inch,

00:11:51 ◼   ► which is like the minimum, you know,

00:11:54 ◼   ► it's just basically the minimum size for a tap target.

00:11:58 ◼   ► But the problem is they're right next to each other,

00:11:59 ◼   ► whereas like on the iPhone, when you'd have like

00:12:02 ◼   ► quarter inch tap targets, you'd still put some spacing

00:12:04 ◼   ► between them.

00:12:05 ◼   ► - Right, and when you get it right,

00:12:08 ◼   ► it feels like magic, right?

00:12:11 ◼   ► But that, but unless it happens all the time

00:12:13 ◼   ► that you get it right, it's not real magic.

00:12:15 ◼   ► It's just the illusion of magic.

00:12:17 ◼   ► I feel like, one of the things that I realized is,

00:12:21 ◼   ► I use Overcast a lot.

00:12:23 ◼   ► That's probably my most frequently used app on the watch.

00:12:27 ◼   ► And Overcast just would by default,

00:12:29 ◼   ► when all my apps came over, when I sunk with the watch,

00:12:33 ◼   ► Overcast ended up to the right side, the very edge,

00:12:37 ◼   ► to the very right edge.

00:12:39 ◼   ► And I realized, oh, that's an easier tap target.

00:12:42 ◼   ► I don't know if it's I don't know if it's mentally or not. Yeah, because actually physically no that makes sense though because it's sort of like a

00:12:49 ◼   ► Fitz's law right where the the main the menu bar on the Mac is easier to click on because you can you can just slide your

00:12:57 ◼   ► Arrow all the way to the top and you can't go too far. There's a similar

00:13:01 ◼   ► I think there's a similar

00:13:03 ◼   ► Usability advantage to being at the edge of that app cloud because you can't you you can get sloppy on the side

00:13:08 ◼   ► You know what? I mean? Yeah. Yeah and

00:13:12 ◼   ► Guess that was the story of my college years as well sloppy on the side

00:13:15 ◼   ► So there's a clock in the middle that's what they called right

00:13:22 ◼   ► So, I guess it does that work and does that work in theory and in practice that the clock being in the middle makes it

00:13:31 ◼   ► An easier tap target then do you just kind of get a bull's-eye?

00:13:34 ◼   ► I I don't know cuz I almost never go back to the clock like oh really? Yeah, I just assume

00:13:41 ◼   ► that and to me it's it's like the most underreported thing and I think people

00:13:48 ◼   ► just sort of get it but it's like to me the thing you have to get over with is

00:13:53 ◼   ► the in this thinking that it don't treat it like a little iPhone on your wrist

00:13:57 ◼   ► and in the iPhone whatever you were last doing when you unlock your iPhone there

00:14:01 ◼   ► it is again when you come back with the watch just when you're done with

00:14:04 ◼   ► whatever like maybe you wanted to change to a new podcast because you're using an

00:14:10 ◼   ► Overcast and then when you switch and you cue it up and you now you've got the new episode of whatever you want listen to playing

00:14:16 ◼   ► in your earbuds, then you just put your wrist down and you're done and

00:14:19 ◼   ► Next time you want to go to your watch. It's just right back on the watch face

00:14:23 ◼   ► You know like you never have to clean up as soon as you're done doing what it is that you did on your watch

00:14:29 ◼   ► Just put your wrist down and trust that it'll it'll come back to the watch face on its own. Yeah, that makes sense

00:14:35 ◼   ► Do you have what are things that you've experienced?

00:14:39 ◼   ► having done so I remember when the when the first iPhone came out I had these

00:14:45 ◼   ► moments all the time of love like oh I just did something like I just I got a

00:14:52 ◼   ► link in an email I clicked the link it opened up in mobile Safari I watched a

00:14:57 ◼   ► video and then I closed it and I thought I could never have done that before you

00:15:02 ◼   ► know six months ago the you know I just did something that I that I this

00:15:06 ◼   ► technology enabled that I could never have done before it existed and I feel

00:15:11 ◼   ► like I'm having sort of similar things like just those those realizations of

00:15:15 ◼   ► with the watch of oh this is why this exists this is one of those little

00:15:19 ◼   ► vignettes that they put in their commercials yeah I think you know and

00:15:26 ◼   ► again I know that there are other smart watches or whatever you want to call

00:15:30 ◼   ► them that get text messages you know transcript you know zap them between

00:15:33 ◼   ► your you know your phone and your watch so I realized that it's not

00:15:36 ◼   ► necessarily exclusive to Apple watch but I've tried it I've have the pebble and

00:15:40 ◼   ► I've worn the pebble and it's it's a little different number one the Apple

00:15:44 ◼   ► watch is pretty reliable I find the Bluetooth connection to be really good

00:15:48 ◼   ► and with pebble it was always flicking out which probably isn't pebbles fault

00:15:52 ◼   ► it's probably the limits of third-party apps versus Apple getting to have you

00:15:59 ◼   ► know tightest possible integration at the OS level on both the watch and the

00:16:03 ◼   ► phone but it's pretty cool when I like I do all the grocery shopping that's why I

00:16:09 ◼   ► go to Whole Foods so I'm at the Whole Foods and I'm walking around and I feel

00:16:13 ◼   ► my wrist go and Amy says can you get oj2 and then I don't even at you know I

00:16:18 ◼   ► don't know it just just it's nice because then you know you don't have to

00:16:22 ◼   ► go in your pocket and get out of your phone you don't you don't have to take

00:16:25 ◼   ► it out of your pocket is that reason yeah sorry my headphones broke for a

00:16:29 ◼   ► second no that's okay hey let me take a time out here just real quick and let

00:16:32 ◼   ► you know that if I start sounding like a terrible robot or something tell me right away because

00:16:37 ◼   ► it's a USB problem not a Skype problem.

00:16:41 ◼   ► Not an emotional problem.

00:16:42 ◼   ► No but but I had to episode a few weeks I should what I should do of course is just

00:16:48 ◼   ► as soon as we're done recording go to Amazon and buy a new microphone and instead I start

00:16:53 ◼   ► each show and then realize halfway through that I should hold the guest hey if I start

00:16:56 ◼   ► sounding bad, tell me right away. Don't be polite and say, "I don't care." Because it means the

00:17:03 ◼   ► audio I'm recording is bad too. All right. Oh, that sucks. Oh, so you've blown

00:17:08 ◼   ► a couple of episodes. Yeah, it was like the last half hour of the episode with Serenity Caldwell,

00:17:14 ◼   ► and so I recreated my audio. I played it, listened, and did it again. And I think it came out pretty

00:17:21 ◼   ► good I think it actually made me it like I tighten up a lot of my argument that's

00:17:26 ◼   ► um that the French call it a spree to scalia so you could basically just go

00:17:32 ◼   ► back and retroactively say smarter things yeah exactly that's perfect that's

00:17:37 ◼   ► exactly what it was like okay I'm gonna do that after we record but it was the

00:17:42 ◼   ► biggest pain in the ass as I'm sure you can it well imagine what it's like to to

00:17:47 ◼   ► You have to redub it and the crosstalk was just you know, horrifying

00:17:52 ◼   ► But uh, so which what what watch are you wearing?

00:17:59 ◼   ► Okay, so what I ordered is the 42 millimeter space black steel

00:18:05 ◼   ► With the black links, right? Really? I'm and I'm not like I said, I'm not a watch guy

00:18:10 ◼   ► So even that felt like it was bordering on a little too dressy for me

00:18:16 ◼   ► But as I as I think is is common that one's being delayed in shipment pretty heavily and I ordered it

00:18:23 ◼   ► You know right after

00:18:25 ◼   ► The store opened. Yeah, I ordered the same one and I ordered it first

00:18:29 ◼   ► I ordered it before Amy's or Jonas's or any of the bands and it still it has not shipped

00:18:34 ◼   ► I don't believe that one has shipped to anybody but I could be wrong good

00:18:38 ◼   ► I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like I haven't seen anybody post pictures of such a watch. Yeah

00:18:43 ◼   ► I know it's weird to feel the privilege of a delayed shipment. I don't know like just

00:18:48 ◼   ► the fact like that we're does that make it more precious when it actually comes? I don't

00:18:53 ◼   ► know.

00:18:54 ◼   ► Well and it put and I you know I am in no place to complain because I've had the regular

00:18:59 ◼   ► steel link bracelet for five weeks now so it's.

00:19:03 ◼   ► Is that the one you're wearing?

00:19:04 ◼   ► Yeah that's the one that's the review unit from Apple. People have asked I guess I should

00:19:08 ◼   ► answer is that the typical review unit period from apple is 60 days i actually haven't even

00:19:14 ◼   ► looked at the thing that i signed but i it's always been it doesn't matter whether it's like

00:19:18 ◼   ► a new mac or a phone or tablet or you know ipad anything it's always 60 days and they don't come

00:19:24 ◼   ► knocking after 60 if you're still testing something i mean i never like use them as my own although i

00:19:30 ◼   ► guess i kind of am with the watch because i'm still wearing it but it's my thought is oh well

00:19:34 ◼   ► It's their fault that the one I order is delayed. I'll just keep wearing it

00:19:38 ◼   ► But I think that you know

00:19:39 ◼   ► They would even rather have me still wearing it and being able to write about it then

00:19:42 ◼   ► You know, what does the watch mean to them for me to send it back?

00:19:45 ◼   ► But anyway, I'll have this watch until mine comes and then I'll package it back up and send it back to them

00:19:50 ◼   ► Well, that's great. That's it's a loaner. They gave you a loan or just like your insurance company

00:19:55 ◼   ► So my insurance company is Roxanna's watch which I ordered

00:20:01 ◼   ► For her shortly after mine and actually everybody on the team here at sandwich

00:20:07 ◼   ► Got one and so they kind of staggered in

00:20:10 ◼   ► I think JP's came first. He got the Milanese loop

00:20:14 ◼   ► Yeah, it's really handsome

00:20:17 ◼   ► But she so I ordered her a 38 millimeter one steel

00:20:22 ◼   ► Stainless steel with the black sport band and as soon as it came I just said this is mine now and

00:20:31 ◼   ► What are you gonna do and she doesn't honestly she's

00:20:33 ◼   ► She's very sweet and she did cheat. It's not important to her

00:20:37 ◼   ► She's just letting me wear it until I am until I get mine

00:20:40 ◼   ► and also I wanted to just like I want it was so important to me that I get to spend time with it and

00:20:45 ◼   ► You know get to know it a little bit better on an intimate level

00:20:50 ◼   ► So that I could start

00:20:53 ◼   ► You know, let's say let's say

00:20:55 ◼   ► Conceivably, this is what I do for a living I guess

00:20:59 ◼   ► Um, so it was important to me that I know what the watch is like.

00:21:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean in all seriousness, it is absolutely not inconceivable

00:21:08 ◼   ► that you guys will be writing, directing and shooting,

00:21:12 ◼   ► uh, a promotional video for some new product. Part of which products experience

00:21:17 ◼   ► is a watch extension. Totally. I can't wait for it to happen. We haven't done it yet,

00:21:22 ◼   ► but now we certainly can. Right. And it's, you know,

00:21:27 ◼   ► I you know you do you but you have to use it to get it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And so I've got the 38

00:21:35 ◼   ► Watch face on and it's a little small for me

00:21:39 ◼   ► I think it's a little tiny and not because it looks tiny or dainty like, you know

00:21:42 ◼   ► Like like you were saying it it looks fine, but I want a bigger screen. I think

00:21:47 ◼   ► Just yeah, like a bigger screen. I I don't I I have actually no concept of how much bigger

00:21:53 ◼   ► here the 42 is gonna look and feel on my wrist.

00:21:57 ◼   ► But I know even incrementally, what is that?

00:21:59 ◼   ► Four millimeters out of, is like nearly a 10%,

00:22:04 ◼   ► oh well it's a little bit more than a 10% increase, right?

00:22:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's somehow, my guess is with you going

00:22:11 ◼   ► from 38 to 42, when yours shows up, you're gonna be like,

00:22:14 ◼   ► you're gonna have like 15 minutes where you're a little

00:22:16 ◼   ► worried you think this might be too big.

00:22:18 ◼   ► And then like, but then like 20 minutes later you're like,

00:22:21 ◼   ► oh no, this is right.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Which brings me to a strange phenomenon,

00:22:24 ◼   ► which is one of those first, you know,

00:22:27 ◼   ► just kind of like startling realizations that I had

00:22:30 ◼   ► having spent very minimal time with the watch.

00:22:33 ◼   ► It's just like, and I am talking about maybe 10, 15 minutes

00:22:36 ◼   ► of having the watch on my hand after I paired it

00:22:38 ◼   ► and I sunk it and put the phone back in my pocket.

00:22:41 ◼   ► The next opportunity I had to take the phone out,

00:22:44 ◼   ► it felt like a giant screen.

00:22:46 ◼   ► Like, did you have that experience too?

00:22:48 ◼   ► Where your phone came out and you're like, whoa,

00:22:50 ◼   ► This is like a flat screen that I just took out of my pocket.

00:22:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, a little bit.

00:22:54 ◼   ► Especially if you're trying to,

00:22:58 ◼   ► I don't think you're supposed to be dictating

00:23:04 ◼   ► large amounts of text on a watch,

00:23:06 ◼   ► but it definitely works for texting.

00:23:07 ◼   ► And I think that the Siri transcription

00:23:11 ◼   ► is really, really good, including when you're out on cellular.

00:23:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's great.

00:23:19 ◼   ► I haven't used it a whole lot.

00:23:20 ◼   ► I mean, I've used it a little bit,

00:23:22 ◼   ► but you know, there's the whole kind of

00:23:24 ◼   ► social acceptability of dictating

00:23:30 ◼   ► into your watch in public,

00:23:32 ◼   ► or dictating into your phone even.

00:23:34 ◼   ► Like if you're at the market,

00:23:36 ◼   ► you don't wanna talk to your thing

00:23:37 ◼   ► 'cause you sound like a dick, right?

00:23:39 ◼   ► - Right.

00:23:40 ◼   ► - I feel like that's the case.

00:23:41 ◼   ► Do you, like if you get a thing on your watch,

00:23:44 ◼   ► if you get a text on your watch from Amy,

00:23:47 ◼   ► and you're at Whole Foods

00:23:49 ◼   ► and you're not the only one in the aisle,

00:23:52 ◼   ► do you respond or do you do an emoji

00:23:57 ◼   ► even though emojis are for children?

00:23:59 ◼   ► - I'm kind of, I'm a little self-conscious about it,

00:24:05 ◼   ► but I try to, I just try to start walking in a direction

00:24:07 ◼   ► where I'm away from other customers

00:24:09 ◼   ► and I try to keep my voice down and cut my hands.

00:24:13 ◼   ► But I do, I cut my hands around the watch,

00:24:16 ◼   ► I realize, though, that it does kind of make you look conspirational. Like, you know what I mean?

00:24:21 ◼   ► Like, you're going off and whispering into your own rest. Like, 'cause like, the thing I'm

00:24:26 ◼   ► self-conscious about is I don't want to be loud talking into it. Like, I'll only do it in a way

00:24:31 ◼   ► that it seems as though strangers aren't going to hear what it is that I'm dictating, even though

00:24:36 ◼   ► if they looked at me and gave two seconds of thought about it, they'd realize I must be talking

00:24:40 ◼   ► to some kind of gadget. But as long as they can't really hear me and I'm not intruding on their

00:24:45 ◼   ► conversations and I don't mind and I feel like it's the way the future and got yeah,

00:24:50 ◼   ► it is the way of the future and God bless you for being polite and considerate about it.

00:24:54 ◼   ► And especially thinking about how many people probably out there and in the world wouldn't be

00:25:00 ◼   ► and also like think about how far we've come that it used to be like people

00:25:05 ◼   ► loud talking to their Bluetooth earpiece or whatever that were.

00:25:09 ◼   ► And I also think that it's, you know, and it just became acceptable and it's just,

00:25:15 ◼   ► you can't go anywhere in the Western world without seeing it, but at first,

00:25:20 ◼   ► 10 years ago, it was really weird when you would see grown adults, like in public,

00:25:27 ◼   ► thumb typing into a three-inch device with all of their attention on it. Like, it just was a

00:25:34 ◼   ► weird thing to be doing in public, is sitting there pecking away at an electronic device,

00:25:39 ◼   ► like you know like an eight-year-old on a Gameboy. But yeah but you know but now

00:25:44 ◼   ► it's it's it's everywhere. Right now it's so something we do. And hopefully that

00:25:49 ◼   ► the idea is that just like is in that movie Her where you see people on the

00:25:56 ◼   ► subway and everybody's whispering softly into their earpiece or whatever that

00:26:01 ◼   ► that just becomes a way of life and and nobody thinks twice about it. I think

00:26:06 ◼   ► think it's hopefully it's gonna happen and hopefully it doesn't create a cacophony of

00:26:13 ◼   ► environmental pollution.

00:26:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:26:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I loved that.

00:26:19 ◼   ► I loved it.

00:26:20 ◼   ► I loved it too.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Yeah, it hit me deeply on an emotional level but also it's just fun for future thinking

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00:26:29 ◼   ► Yeah, hold that thought.

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00:26:34 ◼   ► 'Cause I do think, I think the watch

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00:29:31 ◼   ► So her her I thought why?

00:29:33 ◼   ► It it's so I think it's gonna hold up really well

00:29:39 ◼   ► I like the movie and I think even where 20 years from now when we're past the point they're projecting to

00:29:45 ◼   ► Technologically and so there's obviously they're gonna have made some mistakes

00:29:49 ◼   ► I think it's gonna look pretty good in hindsight though sort of like the way 2001 seems great

00:29:54 ◼   ► Sure, or even or Blade Runner like the fashions are all sort of like weighted toward that era

00:30:00 ◼   ► Weighted toward the early 80s with the shoulder pads and the angles and whatnot

00:30:04 ◼   ► Just like the high-waisted pants in her are kind of weighted towards to on 2013 or 2014

00:30:10 ◼   ► I think it'll hold up and it'll sort of be emblematic of

00:30:15 ◼   ► of our version of futurism.

00:30:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I feel like the thing that they got right

00:30:20 ◼   ► and that Apple is clearly moving towards

00:30:22 ◼   ► is that your gadgets still totally matter as much as ever.

00:30:26 ◼   ► But your identity and your treatment,

00:30:29 ◼   ► they're all just front ends to like a cloud-based system.

00:30:33 ◼   ► And you just pick the size that you want at this moment.

00:30:37 ◼   ► - Right, and what they did in Her was they even removed

00:30:43 ◼   ► like a lot of the visual component

00:30:45 ◼   ► and just had it be so reliant on voice and sound,

00:30:50 ◼   ► which was an interesting way to go.

00:30:52 ◼   ► And I don't know how far we're gonna go in that direction,

00:30:56 ◼   ► especially with Siri and the state that it's in now

00:31:00 ◼   ► in terms of its ability to understand us

00:31:04 ◼   ► and communicate back.

00:31:05 ◼   ► I thought it was interesting.

00:31:08 ◼   ► And also just as a storytelling element,

00:31:11 ◼   ► by not inundating the technology with visuals,

00:31:15 ◼   ► they allowed the human elements

00:31:17 ◼   ► to take more of a front seat.

00:31:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I feel like it's,

00:31:23 ◼   ► like the touch components on the watch play into that too,

00:31:28 ◼   ► where it's not about what you're looking at.

00:31:31 ◼   ► It's some other sense.

00:31:33 ◼   ► And with her, a lot of the,

00:31:35 ◼   ► and cinematically, it has to be, it can't be touch, right?

00:31:40 ◼   ► I mean, at least not with the display outputs that we have at the moment.

00:31:49 ◼   ► Although I guess you can imagine some kind of game that ties into like an Apple Watch

00:31:52 ◼   ► and like rumbles on your wrist at certain points in a movie like the way that a rumble

00:31:55 ◼   ► pad in a video game would.

00:31:57 ◼   ► So maybe something like that is coming now that I think about it off the top of my head.

00:32:00 ◼   ► But you know, it just had to be verbal because that makes for cinema and it lets Scarlett

00:32:06 ◼   ► Johansson, you know, truly act.

00:32:08 ◼   ► Basically the best vocal interface in the world.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Her voice was just like representative of what technology, AI should sound like.

00:32:22 ◼   ► It really was.

00:32:23 ◼   ► Without being a creepy perv about it.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Like yeah, that's what I would want my robot to sound like too.

00:32:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:30 ◼   ► But to me it was the interaction that the characters had with the technology was so

00:32:34 ◼   ► ambient and you know you didn't have to break stride while you were getting off the train

00:32:37 ◼   ► to walk to your office building and something some kind of notification would come in. You don't

00:32:41 ◼   ► break stride and that to me is what the touch on the wrist helps to enable. Absolutely just

00:32:47 ◼   ► it's there you just kind of ambiently feel it and like in a tactile way. And so like what do you

00:32:55 ◼   ► feel like how's the how's the Taptic engine holding up for you? Do you enjoy it? I do. I

00:33:01 ◼   ► enjoy it a lot and like more and more as time goes on I've got my watch the sound off all the time.

00:33:07 ◼   ► I never… some of the sounds are too annoying and I find that they're not necessary.

00:33:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:33:13 ◼   ► I haven't really learned to distinguish between what the different sounds and the

00:33:17 ◼   ► different patterns and everything mean.

00:33:20 ◼   ► I think universally they just mean hey look over here or glance over here rather.

00:33:27 ◼   ► But it's never a displeasing feeling to like to just have a small like little minute

00:33:32 ◼   ► tap even if it happens whatever ten times in an hour or something or even

00:33:37 ◼   ► yeah because something's going up like some group chat that you're on is blown

00:33:41 ◼   ► up and is getting messages you know a frequent barrage of messages from

00:33:45 ◼   ► colleagues or something like that right I mean if you're doing something else

00:33:48 ◼   ► important like like recording a podcast and like and your wrist is blowing up

00:33:52 ◼   ► then that's maybe not as not quite not quite as fun but I for the first few

00:33:57 ◼   ► days after I had I was wearing the watch I was I found myself wanting more taps

00:34:02 ◼   ► like I wanted like well I'd be driving and I turned on navigation even though I

00:34:08 ◼   ► know exactly how the hell to get to where I'm going

00:34:11 ◼   ► turn on navigation just because it's kind of fun to get 12 taps to turn right

00:34:15 ◼   ► or something yeah that physically pleasing of a sensation I forget if I

00:34:20 ◼   ► talked to I know I didn't write about it but I may be a man but I did I got

00:34:23 ◼   ► driving directions to my accountant last month and so this was to get my taxes

00:34:28 ◼   ► done and the Daring Fireball LLC tag, you know, it's a whole afternoon. And it's, I

00:34:35 ◼   ► don't know, maybe like a 20 to 30 minute drive outside the city. It was actually the first

00:34:40 ◼   ► time I was driving with the i-Thing and I wanted to test the directions. Now I've been

00:34:45 ◼   ► going to the same accountant for years and years and years, so I know how to get there,

00:34:48 ◼   ► but I wanted to try the directions. But it was actually kind of an amazing, in one of

00:34:52 ◼   ► those like, I know people do this every day, but I don't drive every day, so it was a little

00:34:55 ◼   ► science fiction to me—is westbound out of Philadelphia, there's really only one road.

00:35:02 ◼   ► It's called the Schuylkill Expressway, and it's called the Schuylkill Expressway because it goes

00:35:05 ◼   ► right along the path of the Schuylkill River. And knowing how to spell the word "Schuylkill" is a

00:35:10 ◼   ► true test of being a Philadelphian. S-C-H-U-Y-L-K-I-L-L. Old Indian name. Anyway, you just go

00:35:18 ◼   ► out—but anyway, it's a notoriously bad road, though, because it's a lot of the way, it's only

00:35:24 ◼   ► two lanes in each direction and so any little accident and it just dies. And I ended up,

00:35:29 ◼   ► there was some kind of tractor trailer accident earlier in the morning and it had been shut

00:35:34 ◼   ► down for a while and Siri gave me what I thought was crazy directions. She was getting me off

00:35:41 ◼   ► the school goal almost as soon as I got on it and I thought, well, I'll just go her way.

00:35:44 ◼   ► And as soon as I took that exit and I looked ahead from what she steered me away from,

00:35:48 ◼   ► I was like, Oh my God, I would have, there's no way I would have made the appointment.

00:35:51 ◼   ► I would have had to like and trying to reschedule an appointment with your accountant when it's

00:35:55 ◼   ► already I don't know it was like April 4th or something like that it's like you're already

00:35:59 ◼   ► you know I mean he would have helped me out because you belong but it's still I would

00:36:02 ◼   ► have felt like it like a dirtbag you don't you don't stand your accountant up in early

00:36:07 ◼   ► April so she took me this different way where I've never been before and I really didn't

00:36:12 ◼   ► know where I was going and so I didn't know at the time what the difference between the

00:36:16 ◼   ► left and right taps were but it was enough that I just felt something and you could just

00:36:22 ◼   ► glance at your wrist and you know and it would say 600 feet make a left and it was great

00:36:27 ◼   ► I thought.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Oh yeah it was great and the display that the what you actually see on the wrist is

00:36:36 ◼   ► so minimal that it doesn't get in the way you can you can sort of interpret it at a

00:36:40 ◼   ► a glance because you're supposed to be driving and most of the experience is audio and you

00:36:47 ◼   ► know I typically when I'm driving I use Waze.

00:36:50 ◼   ► I put I mount my iPhone to the dash thing and I use Waze and Waze has better directions.

00:36:56 ◼   ► It's smarter about traffic.

00:36:57 ◼   ► It's smarter in so many ways but the audio quality sounds like it's coming through the

00:37:03 ◼   ► telephone rather than you know like a built-in library of or an internal audio engine.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I don't know technically whether that's true except Waze sounds like garbage and Apple

00:37:16 ◼   ► Maps sounds amazing.

00:37:19 ◼   ► So to go back and get directions from the watch sounds amazing and feels amazing and

00:37:25 ◼   ► it's like oh yeah.

00:37:26 ◼   ► It's again we should name one of those moments where you're like this is the future.

00:37:30 ◼   ► This feels like the future.

00:37:32 ◼   ► And even to pile on that, last week I had made a dinner reservation using OpenTable

00:37:44 ◼   ► so I could meet somebody after work.

00:37:47 ◼   ► And I get in the car and then OpenTable gives me an alert on my wrist, because they have

00:37:53 ◼   ► a watch out, gives me an alert on my wrist that I've got my dinner reservation in like

00:37:59 ◼   ► what 10 minutes or something.

00:38:01 ◼   ► And then I tap into the app on the wrist and go to the location and it opens up the map

00:38:08 ◼   ► and starts giving me directions.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Like holy cow, I didn't expect for it to do that, I didn't ask for it to do that, but

00:38:14 ◼   ► that's what the watch does in 2015.

00:38:17 ◼   ► Yeah, one of my first experiences like that was with, again I don't want to repeat myself,

00:38:26 ◼   ► but I think I said this the most, but it was on the Amtrak train and I had already saved

00:38:29 ◼   ► the pass to my pass book on the phone and it just, when I got to Penn Station, it just

00:38:38 ◼   ► appeared on my watch.

00:38:40 ◼   ► And then when we got on a train, the guy came by and I didn't have to fish anything out,

00:38:44 ◼   ► didn't have to switch.

00:38:45 ◼   ► I just held my wrist up to the guy and he scanned it and boom, we're on the train.

00:38:49 ◼   ► So it's awesome.

00:38:50 ◼   ► I feel sync between the watch and the phone is just really highly tuned.

00:38:55 ◼   ► I haven't felt it lacking in any way.

00:39:00 ◼   ► And that's kind of enjoyable to watch when you see different sync services between your

00:39:06 ◼   ► devices kind of fail at more points along the way.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Do you think it was a mistake for Apple to already have apps?

00:39:19 ◼   ► And it's absolutely true in some cases where the basic thought when they announced Apple

00:39:25 ◼   ► The watch kit back in November and said hey, we're gonna ship this in a couple of weeks

00:39:30 ◼   ► Way before the watch comes out

00:39:32 ◼   ► I just remember thing that sounds like a bad idea because you're asking people to write software even if it's a limited

00:39:38 ◼   ► SDK and it really is limited

00:39:40 ◼   ► But you're asking them to write software for a device that they've never used and so they're not really know

00:39:44 ◼   ► They're not really familiar with how they're supposed to use it

00:39:47 ◼   ► And I think it's definitely true that some apps really

00:39:51 ◼   ► Really suffer from that. Oh, absolutely

00:39:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I have a number of them on my watch that really suffered from that.

00:40:00 ◼   ► Now do you think or do you know anecdotally or otherwise whether any developers were given

00:40:05 ◼   ► early access to the watch specifically for making their apps better?

00:40:11 ◼   ► I think you have to define layers of access.

00:40:15 ◼   ► I don't think anybody got a watch.

00:40:17 ◼   ► I think some people clearly got access.

00:40:20 ◼   ► I mean and obviously a lot of people got the developer lab invitations.

00:40:24 ◼   ► And I think in the middle there's at each level there's a smaller number of developers who got

00:40:32 ◼   ► early access to I think to the labs though not not that they got to take a watch and wear it

00:40:37 ◼   ► but that they got to you know fly out to Cupertino and and write stuff yeah but on the other hand

00:40:43 ◼   ► sorry I think well I just think that for example though I would assume twitter is on that list of

00:40:49 ◼   ► companies that had really privileged access and I think that their app is useless almost

00:40:53 ◼   ► >> Oh, yeah, it's awful. But on the other hand, Marco's app is incredible.

00:41:00 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:41:01 ◼   ► >> And I have no idea how he kind of figured out what user patterns would make the most sense

00:41:07 ◼   ► without having the device in his hand. Except that, like, I'm never wondering. From the very

00:41:14 ◼   ► first time I launched Overcast on the watch, I never wondered how anything worked. It was

00:41:21 ◼   ► exactly where it was supposed to be. Yeah, I know he was worried about it. I remember,

00:41:25 ◼   ► because I actually helped him beta test then before he shipped it, just so that, you know,

00:41:31 ◼   ► I had the review unit and I could, you know, couldn't help much because he was getting ready

00:41:36 ◼   ► to ship it, at least a little bit of sanity checking. His big concern, or one of his concerns,

00:41:42 ◼   ► was that there wouldn't be any point to it because there's that now-playing widget,

00:41:47 ◼   ► which can work with anything. And his thought was, well, what's the point of even doing it

00:41:51 ◼   ► at all if the now playing handles everything. I said no, there's definite usefulness. Even

00:41:59 ◼   ► with just one day of testing Overcast on the watch, it was absolutely useful because there's

00:42:04 ◼   ► no way with now playing to do anything really other than just play and pause, whereas Overcast

00:42:08 ◼   ► on the watch, you can switch to a new podcast and stuff like that.

00:42:11 ◼   ► PAUL Yeah, I mean it's got context awareness. It knows what you're listening to, which is

00:42:15 ◼   ► hugely important for a podcast library where people kind of listen to every thing differently

00:42:21 ◼   ► and that's pretty awesome and I you know the now playing app is there but I don't know exactly what

00:42:29 ◼   ► it does and I don't know what it can what it hijacks and what it doesn't hijack and I'd rather

00:42:33 ◼   ► just leave it leave it alone I wish there was you know it's just one of those apple apps that you

00:42:37 ◼   ► just kind of put in a drawer somewhere. Yeah I kind of feel like as a pundit overall that it's

00:42:43 ◼   ► And it's the sort of thing that I try to be cognizant of, but I know that I'm being guilty,

00:42:47 ◼   ► is it's like Apple can't win. Because if they didn't have any apps, I would be complaining

00:42:52 ◼   ► that there should be apps already. And now that they shipped with apps on day one, I'm complaining

00:42:59 ◼   ► because the apps, some of them don't work so well, and some of them don't seem to have been designed

00:43:04 ◼   ► with the context in mind. Yeah, I can't wait till Slack's app gets good because I use Slack almost

00:43:10 ◼   ► more than anything besides email.

00:43:13 ◼   ► And I can't figure out how to actually respond to reply to Slack.

00:43:19 ◼   ► And if you just open up Slack, the Slack watch app, you're presented with two icons, one

00:43:27 ◼   ► of which is I think direct messages and one of which is mentions of your name.

00:43:34 ◼   ► And neither one seems to be great at tracking what conversations I actually need access

00:43:40 ◼   ► too.

00:43:41 ◼   ► And then if you get an alert in Slack, which I always do, there's no all you can do it

00:43:46 ◼   ► on the watch is dismiss it right away.

00:43:48 ◼   ► You can't actually reply from that alert, which I don't want to do because that's I

00:43:55 ◼   ► mean Slack is all about two-way communications, not broadcasting, broadcast of a platform.

00:44:01 ◼   ► Well in the same way that you can respond to text messages, right?

00:44:06 ◼   ► Right.

00:44:07 ◼   ► It's the fact that you can respond to text messages and dictate a little thing is what

00:44:12 ◼   ► you would want to do with Slack.

00:44:13 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:44:14 ◼   ► And which brings me to a point I was going to make, which is like how forgiving we now

00:44:20 ◼   ► can sort of let ourselves be of like dictating.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Do you call it Siri?

00:44:28 ◼   ► I do.

00:44:29 ◼   ► I call it.

00:44:30 ◼   ► I just call it Siri.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:32 ◼   ► So when you're dictating to Siri, even if it's like responding to a message, do you

00:44:37 ◼   ► - You know how you can choose a sent from iPhone signature

00:44:40 ◼   ► with mail, from mobile mail?

00:44:43 ◼   ► And the idea behind that was,

00:44:45 ◼   ► theoretically it was probably just so that you could see,

00:44:49 ◼   ► the other person receiving it cut you a little slack

00:44:52 ◼   ► for reasons of brevity or typos or whatever.

00:44:55 ◼   ► I feel like Dictated by Siri kinda needs its own little,

00:44:59 ◼   ► and by the way, I turn sent from my iPhone off

00:45:03 ◼   ► because I will like, I'll write a frickin' novel

00:45:06 ◼   ► in an email from my phone.

00:45:08 ◼   ► It's just like one of my, I play my email on my phone

00:45:11 ◼   ► like Beethoven and I take pride in that

00:45:15 ◼   ► with italics and proper quote levels and everything.

00:45:19 ◼   ► And so it would shame me to tell somebody--

00:45:23 ◼   ► - To try to make an excuse.

00:45:24 ◼   ► You wouldn't wanna-- - Yeah, yeah.

00:45:25 ◼   ► I wouldn't wanna do that.

00:45:26 ◼   ► But then again, if you're trying to respond to a message,

00:45:32 ◼   ► dictated into your watch and then beat

00:45:34 ◼   ► and then go on with your business,

00:45:36 ◼   ► you're not gonna sit there getting frustrated

00:45:38 ◼   ► because she misheard something

00:45:40 ◼   ► and maybe it's clear enough,

00:45:41 ◼   ► maybe it's like enough to get the point.

00:45:45 ◼   ► I've had a couple of misfires

00:45:48 ◼   ► with badly dictated messages, replies to text,

00:45:53 ◼   ► but that's just kind of fun.

00:45:55 ◼   ► - It's partly because there's like a tipping point

00:46:02 ◼   ► I've realized where as Siri dictation has crossed some point on the curve between too

00:46:11 ◼   ► slow and inaccurate to be useful and it's reached a tipping point now where it's quick

00:46:16 ◼   ► enough and accurate enough to be useful.

00:46:19 ◼   ► And I, you know, and this has happened for me sometime in the last year.

00:46:25 ◼   ► You know, and I wrote a piece about it about how it was so much better on my iPhone a couple

00:46:28 ◼   ► months ago like I think it a large part them ramping this up for the watch but

00:46:34 ◼   ► as it reaches that tipping point suddenly you trusted a lot more whereas

00:46:38 ◼   ► in the first couple of years where Siri existed and they had this dictation I

00:46:42 ◼   ► would double-check every time before I'd hit send and now I a lot of times I I'm

00:46:47 ◼   ► hitting send without really looking at it and sometimes they are there's some

00:46:51 ◼   ► pretty bad typos in there. Yeah I accidentally texted to Roxanna the other day she said hey

00:46:59 ◼   ► can you stop by the store on the way home and I think I did I responded I dictated do

00:47:08 ◼   ► you want me to stop on the way home or do you want to want me to come home first and

00:47:14 ◼   ► then I like I dictated that and then I went on with what I was doing what got sent was

00:47:19 ◼   ► you want me to come home? Do you want me to stop on the way home or do you want me to come home

00:47:23 ◼   ► first? I can't even." And then that's sent. And she was like, "What? Did you just say? What's

00:47:29 ◼   ► with the attitude?" Because it's like, it's like, it's like caddy. It's like kind of bitchy in the

00:47:38 ◼   ► wrong way. Yeah. Usually if it's, if it's good, meaning like it's not, it's going to be obvious

00:47:44 ◼   ► to your recipient, it's going to look like a homonym. You know, like if they read it

00:47:48 ◼   ► out loud in their head, they'll take a guess. I actually kind of like that, like with Amy

00:47:52 ◼   ► or other friends, you know, more technically inclined, you know, let's face it, it's

00:47:58 ◼   ► mostly who I'm texting. I like it when they can guess and they're like Siri or vice

00:48:04 ◼   ► versa. I'll do it to them and try to guess whether the weird typo in the message they

00:48:08 ◼   ► just sent me was because of that. Like, I feel like it's becoming a skill. Whereas

00:48:11 ◼   ► I can't even at the end doesn't sound like that. It sounds exactly like you're giving her a hard time

00:48:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it really does sounds intentional like Siri just manufactured some attitude

00:48:20 ◼   ► I can't I can't believe you would even ask me to do that

00:48:24 ◼   ► What do you think of the fact that Siri doesn't talk back to you to the watch? Oh

00:48:30 ◼   ► That's a good question

00:48:34 ◼   ► It somehow feels natural to me

00:48:37 ◼   ► Although I do feel like a lot of her personality is missing because of that

00:48:41 ◼   ► but it somehow seems right to me.

00:48:43 ◼   ► - True, but maybe we know that personality so well already

00:48:48 ◼   ► that's ingrained that we can kinda hear her voice.

00:48:51 ◼   ► Maybe like you did, it took me a couple days to realize it.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Oh, like she's not talking,

00:48:56 ◼   ► she's not talking through the speaker

00:48:57 ◼   ► when I ask her something.

00:48:59 ◼   ► She's just like, it's just coming out in text,

00:49:01 ◼   ► but I already can hear her.

00:49:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I guess that's why I was a little slow to answer

00:49:06 ◼   ► is because the fact that she doesn't talk,

00:49:09 ◼   ► or depending on your country and your preferences,

00:49:11 ◼   ► he doesn't talk, it sneaks up on you on the watch

00:49:16 ◼   ► and you realize only after you've really been using Siri

00:49:21 ◼   ► a lot that it never talks to you.

00:49:23 ◼   ► - Right, I kinda like it.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - It's a little bit more private.

00:49:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I had this thought that the watch is kind of,

00:49:34 ◼   ► maybe the watch is what cracks Siri open

00:49:36 ◼   ► more than, much more than any other, anything else.

00:49:38 ◼   ► the watch is kind of one of the of the of the many things that the watch is

00:49:42 ◼   ► watch is like a Siri machine basically yeah I think a large part of it I think

00:49:47 ◼   ► if you're not using Siri a couple of times a day then you're not really

00:49:51 ◼   ► getting the most out of the watch right I really do think that's true it's got a

00:49:55 ◼   ► freaking microphone in it it's I think that's one thing that's a lot of people

00:49:59 ◼   ► aren't really thinking about is you're wearing something on your on your wrist

00:50:03 ◼   ► that has a microphone in it that you can just talk to

00:50:07 ◼   ► and it can record your thoughts,

00:50:10 ◼   ► which makes it even more frustrating to me

00:50:12 ◼   ► that there's not a voice recorder app on it.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - That's a little weird.

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00:54:30 ◼   ► No voice recorder app was the thing I said, yeah, and there's no notes app

00:54:36 ◼   ► No voice recorder app

00:54:40 ◼   ► Like yeah, so like I mean you don't even need both of those

00:54:43 ◼   ► You just need one or the other because you could I feel I don't know. That's not true. I

00:54:48 ◼   ► Know what you mean though?

00:54:50 ◼   ► Because the whole idea is you just have a thought in your head you want to commit to the watch and

00:54:54 ◼   ► If you get dictaphone you want to put it down. Yeah

00:54:57 ◼   ► So why not like I do that all time do you do I I do

00:55:01 ◼   ► My number one use case for voice recorder app on the phone is when I'm working with a composer

00:55:07 ◼   ► and I don't like have an, you know, I need to like, I'll often like sing a thing if I'm

00:55:13 ◼   ► trying to express it and can't put it in words, I'll sing a thing and then I'll send it off

00:55:18 ◼   ► as an audio thing.

00:55:19 ◼   ► Or maybe sometimes we record temp voiceover with the voiceover app.

00:55:24 ◼   ► And every once in a while, I guess I'm driving and I have a thought and I want to record

00:55:29 ◼   ► it so I don't forget it.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Then that's the third use case.

00:55:33 ◼   ► But to me, the fact that there's nothing like that on the watch is unconscionable.

00:55:38 ◼   ► Yeah, the closest thing I could think of would be like, at least with the built-in apps,

00:55:44 ◼   ► would be like texting yourself.

00:55:46 ◼   ► I guess so.

00:55:47 ◼   ► But even then, it just seems a little weird.

00:55:51 ◼   ► And there are definitely third-party apps.

00:55:53 ◼   ► Evernote has a pretty decent app.

00:55:58 ◼   ► I forget what else I've tried.

00:56:01 ◼   ► And it seems like it's fairly focused on the watch specific thing.

00:56:07 ◼   ► I think if and when the day comes that there's a Vesper thing for the phone, it would really

00:56:12 ◼   ► just be a big plus button and make a new note and that's it.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Just hit plus, start talking, there's the text and then you're done.

00:56:20 ◼   ► This is really all I really want.

00:56:23 ◼   ► Sounds great.

00:56:24 ◼   ► I wonder if you could use Siri and just say, "Hey Siri, make a new note."

00:56:27 ◼   ► I wonder what she would do.

00:56:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

00:56:29 ◼   ► I don't know. Does she know how to work with reminders that or uh

00:56:33 ◼   ► Or any notes out that it still confuses me what Siri works with and what she doesn't work with? Yeah

00:56:39 ◼   ► I'm not sure. I don't think that would work on the watch. Although I'm not sure what happens versus the phone

00:56:43 ◼   ► You know, it's a funny thing when you're on a podcast if you use the phrase

00:56:47 ◼   ► Hey and in the name of the product it it

00:56:50 ◼   ► Will end up getting notes from people whose devices while they were listening to the show started going

00:56:55 ◼   ► I'm not saying we can't say it because it's hard to talk about it without saying

00:56:58 ◼   ► a series but it turns out though that it turns out that people who like listen obviously if you're

00:57:04 ◼   ► listening with headphones on which is probably how most people listen to podcasts nowadays it doesn't

00:57:07 ◼   ► but if you know a lot awful lot of people like my pal brent simmons he just likes to listen to

00:57:11 ◼   ► podcasts on his speakers at his desk while he works you know it's like he said like haven't

00:57:15 ◼   ► talked you know the way you know other people like to have talk radio on he just likes to have

00:57:19 ◼   ► podcasts it makes it sound like he's in a you know office full of friends or whatever but then

00:57:23 ◼   ► then it makes your charging iPhone at your desk wake up.

00:57:26 ◼   ► - That's awesome.

00:57:28 ◼   ► So I mean that's dangerous also.

00:57:31 ◼   ► Once Siri becomes more aware of operating

00:57:36 ◼   ► the insides of a phone rather than just referring

00:57:40 ◼   ► to the outsides.

00:57:41 ◼   ► - And it puts great power in front of us

00:57:44 ◼   ► 'cause we could do something like say the phrase

00:57:47 ◼   ► that would initiate that and then immediately say,

00:57:51 ◼   ► text my wife I'm leaving you send.

00:57:53 ◼   ► - Well that's dark, I was just thinking like

00:57:56 ◼   ► hey Siri make a fart sound.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - Oh right.

00:57:58 ◼   ► That's probably a little better.

00:58:03 ◼   ► - What are your favorite apps?

00:58:07 ◼   ► - I totally love the weather app.

00:58:13 ◼   ► I think that the weather app has one,

00:58:15 ◼   ► it took me a while to get used to it

00:58:16 ◼   ► and this is one of those apps,

00:58:17 ◼   ► this is the built in weather app from Apple

00:58:19 ◼   ► And it's one of those apps where it's, to me, surprisingly deep.

00:58:23 ◼   ► Because it starts with all of the cities you've configured on your iPhone weather app.

00:58:28 ◼   ► So it already knows the cities that you're interested in.

00:58:32 ◼   ► And you can scroll down to get details and you get like a 10 day forecast and all this

00:58:38 ◼   ► stuff.

00:58:39 ◼   ► You go side to side to switch cities and locations.

00:58:42 ◼   ► But then while you're on a city, you can tap it and it changes from like the next like

00:58:47 ◼   ► a clock style it's you know and to me that's optimized for the watch it's like

00:58:51 ◼   ► the next 10 hours of like precipitation the cloud cover and the temperature my

00:58:59 ◼   ► only complaint is I kind of wish that they combined the cloud cover and

00:59:04 ◼   ► temperature ones because I want the temperature and the you know whether or

00:59:07 ◼   ► not it's like likely to rain hmm you pay attention to the weather a lot I guess

00:59:13 ◼   ► you would have to. Yeah, we don't live in Southern California. I don't, I never ever

00:59:20 ◼   ► open a weather app but I'm just, I'm looking through it as you're talking and yeah it is

00:59:24 ◼   ► really nicely done. Yeah well and you know April, April's probably a good time to have been trying

00:59:29 ◼   ► it because April is the type of month where the weather is, you have no idea you know and just

00:59:33 ◼   ► because it's really cold in the morning when you wake up it might go up to 70 in the afternoon and

00:59:39 ◼   ► and you wanna see that.

00:59:40 ◼   ► So it's like just knowing,

00:59:41 ◼   ► like looking at the temperature right now

00:59:43 ◼   ► at 10 in the morning doesn't necessarily give you a clue

00:59:46 ◼   ► as to what it's gonna be like in the afternoon.

00:59:49 ◼   ► - So I think the weather app was probably

00:59:51 ◼   ► when I first put on the watch and it's loading the cities

00:59:55 ◼   ► and I saw the status spinner.

00:59:56 ◼   ► I think that's probably the first time I saw like,

00:59:59 ◼   ► oh, an app takes time.

01:00:01 ◼   ► It's not instantaneous like on your iPhone.

01:00:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't.

01:00:05 ◼   ► I still can't quite figure out

01:00:07 ◼   ► why sometimes it takes longer than others.

01:00:09 ◼   ► And maybe it's because I'm not quite sure how much of it is to blame on Bluetooth and

01:00:14 ◼   ► how much of it is like that the phone is checking the weather in advance already and already

01:00:22 ◼   ► has up to date weather information.

01:00:24 ◼   ► And then other times maybe the watch is like, you know, hey phone, tell me about the weather.

01:00:29 ◼   ► This guy wants to see the weather and the phone is like, oh shit, I haven't checked

01:00:32 ◼   ► in a while.

01:00:33 ◼   ► You got to wait.

01:00:34 ◼   ► Hold on.

01:00:35 ◼   ► And you know,

01:00:36 ◼   ► get smarter about caching that stuff and smarter about just collecting the data when you need

01:00:43 ◼   ► it and maybe collecting a little too much.

01:00:46 ◼   ► And maybe that's kind of like the, you know how like scrolling on the iPhone one wasn't

01:00:51 ◼   ► quite as glassy as it is now.

01:00:54 ◼   ► Maybe that's a kind of a sort of an analog to like waiting for data to load on the watch.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:03 ◼   ► What about you?

01:01:04 ◼   ► What are your favorite apps?

01:01:05 ◼   ► Well yeah like I said Overcast is probably I use it a lot.

01:01:11 ◼   ► Remote is really cool.

01:01:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Then again I've always been a I've always liked the remote app on the iPhone.

01:01:16 ◼   ► See I never did.

01:01:17 ◼   ► Even when it was before when people would complain endlessly about it.

01:01:21 ◼   ► Yeah it takes forever to connect but I think it's probably I'm still one of those people

01:01:27 ◼   ► that's just kind of still impressed by the fact that I can control my something on my

01:01:31 ◼   ► TV with my phone and it just it never doesn't amaze me and so now the fact that

01:01:37 ◼   ► I can do that a little bit quicker and the pairing like sort of seems to last

01:01:43 ◼   ► longer I think you know before getting dumped and I have to then reconnect I

01:01:49 ◼   ► just think it's it's pretty cool. I find that I have always I mean I just lose

01:01:56 ◼   ► the stupid Apple TV remote I lose it ten times every time I watch a movie I mean

01:02:01 ◼   ► I mean, not and lose it, meaning like,

01:02:03 ◼   ► is it on my left-hand side of the couch,

01:02:05 ◼   ► right-hand side?

01:02:07 ◼   ► 15 minutes, and all I wanted to do was quick pause

01:02:09 ◼   ► because Amy's asking me a question from upstairs

01:02:13 ◼   ► or in the kitchen or something,

01:02:14 ◼   ► and I just wanna pause the damn thing.

01:02:16 ◼   ► I really like having it on the wrist.

01:02:19 ◼   ► And it's one of those little things

01:02:21 ◼   ► where I feel like you kinda have to take

01:02:23 ◼   ► what people at Apple say at their word,

01:02:26 ◼   ► like when Tim Cook has said what he likes

01:02:27 ◼   ► about wearing the Apple Watch,

01:02:29 ◼   ► and he's, you know, I've heard him say it

01:02:31 ◼   ► like three or four times, that he likes using it

01:02:33 ◼   ► as a remote control to control his Apple TV.

01:02:35 ◼   ► And as somebody who never liked the one on the phone,

01:02:39 ◼   ► 'cause I always found then it's like, it's even worse,

01:02:41 ◼   ► 'cause it's a device that's just as small

01:02:43 ◼   ► and I can, you know, lose it between seat cushions.

01:02:46 ◼   ► But then, you know, what are the odds

01:02:48 ◼   ► that the current app is the remote app?

01:02:51 ◼   ► It's not, because I'm probably texting people

01:02:53 ◼   ► or checking Twitter because I'm doing two things at once,

01:02:55 ◼   ► and then I've got to double tap to switch.

01:02:57 ◼   ► But the way that the thing works on the watch

01:03:00 ◼   ► is if you're watching something, actively watching it,

01:03:02 ◼   ► it just automatically goes back to being the remote,

01:03:05 ◼   ► not the clock face or anything like that,

01:03:07 ◼   ► which to me is exactly what I want.

01:03:09 ◼   ► It's as though the device read my mind.

01:03:11 ◼   ► - Totally.

01:03:13 ◼   ► It's good for that.

01:03:15 ◼   ► A little tip, we taped the remote,

01:03:18 ◼   ► sorry, the Apple TV remote in our bedroom,

01:03:21 ◼   ► we taped it to like a little packet of Kleenex.

01:03:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:03:26 ◼   ► So that's a life hack.

01:03:27 ◼   ► But we, you know, the kids in bed with us playing with it

01:03:33 ◼   ► and he'll drop it down between the mattress

01:03:35 ◼   ► and the bed frame quicker than anything.

01:03:38 ◼   ► But yeah, so that's a fun one.

01:03:42 ◼   ► Other than that, I think activity tracker is really cool.

01:03:46 ◼   ► Heart rate monitor is really cool.

01:03:49 ◼   ► I like the fact that,

01:03:53 ◼   ► So we worked with Jawbone up as a client.

01:03:56 ◼   ► We did something with Fitbit.

01:03:59 ◼   ► So I've had the experience

01:04:01 ◼   ► of wearing these activity trackers,

01:04:04 ◼   ► but honestly it just always felt too cumbersome

01:04:07 ◼   ► for me to like keep something like with me all the time

01:04:11 ◼   ► that was dedicated to that purpose.

01:04:13 ◼   ► If I'm not gonna wear a watch,

01:04:15 ◼   ► then I don't really wanna wear a wristband

01:04:17 ◼   ► that only does that one thing.

01:04:19 ◼   ► But now that I've got everything in that thing

01:04:22 ◼   ► and the fact that it's an activity tracker,

01:04:25 ◼   ► now I'm finally getting the value of an activity tracker.

01:04:28 ◼   ► And so just earlier today,

01:04:31 ◼   ► if I can either take the elevator up to my office

01:04:34 ◼   ► or take the stairs,

01:04:35 ◼   ► and I know that this stupid thing is gonna remind me

01:04:39 ◼   ► that I have like 100 more calories to burn or something,

01:04:44 ◼   ► then I don't know why.

01:04:47 ◼   ► I guess I don't have as much free agency as I think I do,

01:04:52 ◼   ► but I'm gonna take the stairs because I'm a child

01:04:54 ◼   ► and I want a little trophy.

01:04:56 ◼   ► - I thought it was silly when I saw people say

01:04:59 ◼   ► that it had, somebody had a report,

01:05:01 ◼   ► it might have been a Wired magazine story,

01:05:04 ◼   ► like behind the scenes of the creation of the watch.

01:05:06 ◼   ► It probably was 'cause that guy had the most access

01:05:09 ◼   ► and that it's become common within Apple,

01:05:12 ◼   ► like in the middle of a meeting

01:05:14 ◼   ► for people to just stand up randomly.

01:05:16 ◼   ► Because a watch that they're wearing said,

01:05:19 ◼   ► hey, you know, you know, there's like your last chance to get another hour where you've stood for a minute and it's just like become part of

01:05:26 ◼   ► the in and again

01:05:28 ◼   ► It's like you can and within Apple

01:05:31 ◼   ► I'm sure that people would just chuckle because they know why you're doing it and maybe you wouldn't do it if you were in a

01:05:35 ◼   ► Meeting with people from another company, you know who aren't familiar

01:05:39 ◼   ► But that within the walls of Apple this create seemingly crazy behavior has become a norm

01:05:44 ◼   ► That you can just stand up for a minute and kind of you know, move your legs in the middle of a meeting

01:05:49 ◼   ► Because you want to make your watch happy and I have to admit I expected to turn that off and I still have it on

01:05:55 ◼   ► Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of fun. It's task completion

01:05:59 ◼   ► And I you got to think that an app is coming. That's more like a game

01:06:03 ◼   ► almost like yo level of stupid simplicity where

01:06:07 ◼   ► like it just reminds you it sends you a reminder to like pump your fists and

01:06:12 ◼   ► and you have to pump your fist no matter where you are.

01:06:17 ◼   ► And if you do it quicker, you get more points or something.

01:06:19 ◼   ► And then just idiots are gonna be

01:06:21 ◼   ► pumping their fists all over the place.

01:06:23 ◼   ► - I think that they did a really interesting

01:06:26 ◼   ► amount of design on those activity like summaries

01:06:31 ◼   ► and the stand reminders in terms of getting the balance

01:06:38 ◼   ► right so that you keep using it

01:06:41 ◼   ► and that it changes your behavior, which is the goal.

01:06:44 ◼   ► But combine that with,

01:06:46 ◼   ► obviously the team that made the watch has been using it

01:06:51 ◼   ► in some degree internally for a while, right?

01:06:54 ◼   ► Like a year, maybe longer, testing these prototypes.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Probably longer than that, that the people in the design lab

01:07:00 ◼   ► have been wearing the early prototypes

01:07:02 ◼   ► to try to fine tune the software.

01:07:03 ◼   ► And I feel like once they got into it for a very long time,

01:07:06 ◼   ► it would be easy to lose track of,

01:07:08 ◼   ► I think this is how a lot of first run experiences go wrong,

01:07:10 ◼   ► is that the team that makes it gets into it and gets it

01:07:14 ◼   ► and understands it and loses track of what it would be like

01:07:17 ◼   ► to have it on your wrist for the first day.

01:07:19 ◼   ► And then you feel like, my God,

01:07:21 ◼   ► this thing will not shut up about me standing.

01:07:23 ◼   ► And I feel like they dialed it back to a level

01:07:27 ◼   ► where it's really well-balanced between those two

01:07:31 ◼   ► in terms of being frequent enough

01:07:33 ◼   ► to get you to change some of your behavior,

01:07:36 ◼   ► but not so frequent that you feel like,

01:07:39 ◼   ► why in the world would this thing be bugging me like this?

01:07:43 ◼   ► - Totally, if you just, I think that's the case,

01:07:45 ◼   ► is if you ignore it, then it knows you're ignoring it.

01:07:48 ◼   ► And instead of, maybe instead of shutting itself off

01:07:51 ◼   ► completely, it just gives you less frequent alerts.

01:07:54 ◼   ► And so it's kind of like, it onboards you,

01:07:57 ◼   ► and then instead of you saying, this sucks,

01:08:00 ◼   ► I'm jumping off, it does just very smart little things

01:08:03 ◼   ► to keep you on.

01:08:05 ◼   ► And that's exactly what happened with me,

01:08:07 ◼   ► is like first I found it cool, then I found it annoying,

01:08:11 ◼   ► then I actually gave in and wanted to do what it told me.

01:08:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:15 ◼   ► And it has been a little bit of an eye-opener for me.

01:08:19 ◼   ► I've never worn any of those trackers.

01:08:21 ◼   ► It's been a little bit of an eye-opener for me,

01:08:23 ◼   ► like that there's definitely some,

01:08:26 ◼   ► shockingly a correlation between a very productive day

01:08:32 ◼   ► as a blogger and a very sedentary day.

01:08:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:08:36 ◼   ► Like the day that I wrapped up the second sort of Apple Watch review that I published

01:08:43 ◼   ► like a week ago, it was like my circles went nowhere.

01:08:48 ◼   ► It was like I finally got like on a chain, like I finally got on a groove and I was in

01:08:52 ◼   ► the zone and I felt like I had this article I'd been trying to get out for a long time

01:08:56 ◼   ► Alf and then it's like when I finished it, I looked down and it looked like my watch

01:09:01 ◼   ► usually does it like, you know, two in the afternoon.

01:09:03 ◼   ► You should win an award for that. All right, there should be like anti

01:09:07 ◼   ► You know how they give you the have you gotten some of those awards they give you like these. Yeah

01:09:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I just got like this silver concentric circles one. Yeah, they should give you like a booby-boo

01:09:17 ◼   ► Booby award, you know for for when you've really screwed up

01:09:20 ◼   ► Right and the thing is one of the things that's so interesting about this watch is

01:09:31 ◼   ► And I feel like it's one of those things that we just the first version of it the one that you and I are talking

01:09:35 ◼   ► About right now just has not even tapped into it. But the watch knows when you're wearing

01:09:40 ◼   ► Right it as soon as you take it off like to show somebody or to change the band or whatever

01:09:45 ◼   ► it knows it's off your wrist because the sensors are off and it locks the screen and

01:09:50 ◼   ► But that means that like if you are not going to wear it all the time

01:09:56 ◼   ► If you're gonna wear like your you know, dress watch when you go out at night or something like that

01:10:00 ◼   ► you're going to wear it sometimes. The watch knows when you're not being active because you're not

01:10:04 ◼   ► wearing it and it also knows when you're not being active even though you are wearing it,

01:10:08 ◼   ► which is a big difference, right? Like if I just decide to wear my old watch for another day

01:10:12 ◼   ► and I don't put the Apple watch on for a day, I'm not going to register any activity on the watch,

01:10:16 ◼   ► but the watch also knows that I haven't been like a complete turd.

01:10:20 ◼   ► Pete: Sure.

01:10:21 ◼   ► Ted, off screen Sure.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Whereas if you are, if you're wearing it, I think that's so interesting

01:10:25 ◼   ► and I feel like it could really come into play in a lot of different ways.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Jon Moffitt That's true, but it also entices you to keep wearing it until the moment you

01:10:35 ◼   ► shut your eyes to go to sleep, right?

01:10:37 ◼   ► Jon Moffitt Yeah, I totally underestimated that, you know, before I started wearing it, is how much

01:10:43 ◼   ► those fitness tracking things, even as somebody who's not super into those features, but they

01:10:48 ◼   ► still motivate me to keep wearing it and not wear my other watches because I want to get the credits.

01:10:53 ◼   ► Yeah I went for a run the other night and turned on the like what is it's not

01:11:00 ◼   ► it's the it's the exercise app it's not the activity tracker. Workout. Yeah the

01:11:05 ◼   ► workout app and I told it I was going for an outdoor run and I went I was

01:11:10 ◼   ► running I did I ran for 24 minutes I got home it told me you should probably run

01:11:16 ◼   ► for 30 minutes I went back out and ran for another six minutes I came back in I

01:11:22 ◼   ► I came back in the house, I took the watch off,

01:11:25 ◼   ► but it was still going 'cause it was like,

01:11:27 ◼   ► I didn't set a goal, I had just left it as an open exercise.

01:11:32 ◼   ► And I took off the watch and then like the bottom

01:11:34 ◼   ► of the watch was glowing green and it frightened me.

01:11:37 ◼   ► I didn't know why.

01:11:38 ◼   ► And then I just, like I researched it a little bit

01:11:41 ◼   ► and found out that the green light is how it actually

01:11:44 ◼   ► reads your heart rate.

01:11:45 ◼   ► Do you know about that?

01:11:46 ◼   ► - Yes, a little bit.

01:11:48 ◼   ► And I think it switches to a more powerful mode

01:11:50 ◼   ► when you're in the midst of a workout.

01:11:52 ◼   ► - Probably, yeah.

01:11:53 ◼   ► - And it pulls your heartbeat constantly

01:11:58 ◼   ► as opposed to doing it every six, seven minutes.

01:12:01 ◼   ► - Right, which is weird to me because,

01:12:02 ◼   ► if you and I are both sitting, presumably,

01:12:07 ◼   ► if you go over to the heart rate monitor

01:12:08 ◼   ► in your glances or whatever,

01:12:10 ◼   ► then it's gonna tell you your heart rate

01:12:13 ◼   ► was whatever three minutes ago,

01:12:15 ◼   ► but now it's reading, it's taking a new reading.

01:12:17 ◼   ► And that's weird to me when I saw that the first time

01:12:20 ◼   ► that three minutes ago it was like,

01:12:22 ◼   ► it was paying attention to my heart rate.

01:12:24 ◼   ► I didn't tell it to do that,

01:12:25 ◼   ► but I think it's kind of awesome that it did.

01:12:27 ◼   ► And so presumably there's like,

01:12:28 ◼   ► I've got a whole day's worth of data.

01:12:31 ◼   ► And if I were going through like medical stuff,

01:12:34 ◼   ► that would be kind of interesting to my doctor,

01:12:36 ◼   ► I would think.

01:12:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, 69 beats per minute a minute ago.

01:12:40 ◼   ► But now I just took it again, it says I'm at 83.

01:12:42 ◼   ► So I don't know, you got me excited.

01:12:45 ◼   ► I think I get nervous.

01:12:45 ◼   ► I think I get nervous when I look at it

01:12:47 ◼   ► and it makes my heart rate go up.

01:12:49 ◼   ► was six. I was I don't even want to say what mine was I was 95. That's it because I guess I

01:12:56 ◼   ► yeah that's why I'm because I'm excited yeah and I had a big lunch.

01:12:59 ◼   ► I think the workout app is an interesting app too I like it and I like the way that it is like

01:13:09 ◼   ► just brain dead super simple here's some big buttons for different types of workouts

01:13:15 ◼   ► go pick the one that you're gonna start right now tap the button and hit go.

01:13:20 ◼   ► Yeah although I wasn't sure I wasn't sure what to do when I go for a run whether I should tell it

01:13:27 ◼   ► how far I want to go or how long I want to go. Yeah I think like the last well I didn't do either

01:13:33 ◼   ► the last item on the list was just open ended just measure how how much I'm doing and then

01:13:39 ◼   ► we'll call it done. Yeah I think I think there's an interesting combination here and and again

01:13:45 ◼   ► I haven't used a Fitbit or any of those things but I feel like one of the problems that never made me want to use one

01:13:50 ◼   ► Is that they didn't really show you anything you just you know

01:13:53 ◼   ► At least the one that like Amy has it doesn't really have much of a display

01:13:56 ◼   ► It just I don't know like four bars that light up and then you have to plug it in your computer

01:13:59 ◼   ► Or sync it with the iPhone app and then use a different device to check what it thinks you did

01:14:05 ◼   ► whereas I feel like a lot of a

01:14:08 ◼   ► Lot of things with the phone to me are the key to their success is that the phone is both

01:14:14 ◼   ► both sides of the equation.

01:14:17 ◼   ► And two examples are Instagram and like Periscope

01:14:20 ◼   ► and Meerkat where it's the same device

01:14:23 ◼   ► that people are using to shoot the photos

01:14:25 ◼   ► and edit the photos and post the photos

01:14:27 ◼   ► is the same device that everyone else is using

01:14:30 ◼   ► to see the photos.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And I feel like that's the way that the fitness tracking

01:14:35 ◼   ► stuff on the watch to me works.

01:14:36 ◼   ► And I know it doesn't have like everything.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Like it's interesting where they cut it off.

01:14:41 ◼   ► Like I think it shows you like your last workout

01:14:43 ◼   ► but it doesn't show you your whole workout history.

01:14:45 ◼   ► You have to go to the phone app to see your workout history.

01:14:48 ◼   ► But that's because the history

01:14:49 ◼   ► is too much information for the watch.

01:14:50 ◼   ► It's just enough, but it's like,

01:14:52 ◼   ► here's what I think you did today.

01:14:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think that that kind of just speaks

01:14:57 ◼   ► to the whole purpose of the watch in general is just enough

01:15:02 ◼   ► and not too much because too much is just gonna be,

01:15:05 ◼   ► is gonna make people, is gonna turn people off to it.

01:15:09 ◼   ► And I've noticed that just with like the notifications,

01:15:13 ◼   ► - Do you use the Gmail app at all?

01:15:16 ◼   ► - No, I do not. - Or do you just use

01:15:17 ◼   ► Apple Mail?

01:15:17 ◼   ► - I just use Apple Mail.

01:15:19 ◼   ► - So Apple Mail, well, so Sandwiches email

01:15:24 ◼   ► is all run through Google.

01:15:26 ◼   ► And Google, like, you don't get Google push email

01:15:31 ◼   ► working very well through Apple Mail.

01:15:33 ◼   ► So what I do is I use the Gmail app on my phone

01:15:38 ◼   ► to right away push me an alert, you know,

01:15:41 ◼   ► notification that I have new email.

01:15:43 ◼   ► And then when I get that alert,

01:15:45 ◼   ► I know to go into my Apple Mail app

01:15:47 ◼   ► and it'll go and fetch that email.

01:15:49 ◼   ► It's kind of a roundabout way of being obsessive about email

01:15:54 ◼   ► but it works for me.

01:15:55 ◼   ► So I use Gmail as basically like an alert.

01:15:57 ◼   ► And so I've got Gmail alerts on my watch.

01:16:00 ◼   ► And what Gmail does when it notifies you

01:16:03 ◼   ► of a new email on your watch,

01:16:04 ◼   ► is it only gives you a few lines of preview of the message.

01:16:08 ◼   ► Whereas Apple Mail, when it tells you there's a new email,

01:16:12 ◼   ► you can actually scroll through the whole email.

01:16:15 ◼   ► But the weird psychological effect of that is,

01:16:18 ◼   ► because I'm obsessive about email,

01:16:20 ◼   ► if Gmail tells me about I've got a new email

01:16:23 ◼   ► and I can see only the first few lines,

01:16:25 ◼   ► then I know I can then kind of save it for later

01:16:28 ◼   ► and then go back when I have time,

01:16:31 ◼   ► go into my mail program,

01:16:33 ◼   ► and then I know I can respond to it then.

01:16:35 ◼   ► But if it shows me the whole thing,

01:16:38 ◼   ► I think that I have to respond to it right then.

01:16:40 ◼   ► So that's another instance of just enough info

01:16:44 ◼   ► to know to do something later with it.

01:16:47 ◼   ► And this is kind of like that time,

01:16:50 ◼   ► reevaluating your time that people were talking about

01:16:56 ◼   ► early on that the watch kind of affords you

01:17:00 ◼   ► is like the opportunity to take your iPhone out

01:17:03 ◼   ► less and less.

01:17:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I know, I've gone back and forth.

01:17:08 ◼   ► That's one of those things where I'm so,

01:17:10 ◼   ► I feel like it's just, I'm lucky that I've had the watch as long as I have, because into me,

01:17:15 ◼   ► and it's like my opinion has changed on it, where at first I thought that it was,

01:17:21 ◼   ► that this whole argument that it's about taking your phone out less, I was like,

01:17:26 ◼   ► I'm not taking my phone out any less. I didn't think I was, but then I thought about it and I

01:17:32 ◼   ► realized I kind of was. It's like, and to me, the difference is, do I want to do something?

01:17:37 ◼   ► If I want to do something, I still go to the phone.

01:17:39 ◼   ► But it's it's like, do I just want to check?

01:17:43 ◼   ► What do I want to check something?

01:17:45 ◼   ► Then I can just look at the watch and I don't know.

01:17:47 ◼   ► There's like a subtle difference there, and I'm sure you know, there's all sorts of things that are sort of gray areas where one.

01:17:52 ◼   ► But if I'm just checking something, it's it's I'm using the watch and I'm not taking the phone out.

01:17:58 ◼   ► So I am taking the phone out, but I'm not using it less like if it's something I really want to do, I'm still going to do it on the on the phone.

01:18:06 ◼   ► Yeah, and you want to do stuff.

01:18:09 ◼   ► I even want to do more stuff with the watch.

01:18:11 ◼   ► That's one of the first things I noticed is that because we're trained to do that, you

01:18:18 ◼   ► check something and then you do something about it right away.

01:18:21 ◼   ► It feels unnatural to check something, have it appear on the watch, and not do something

01:18:26 ◼   ► about it right away.

01:18:27 ◼   ► So you have to kind of get used to that, or at least I did.

01:18:31 ◼   ► it makes me want to be able to do more with the watch but I'm okay that I can't I guess.

01:18:39 ◼   ► But yeah that's the end of that thought.

01:18:42 ◼   ► Well but I feel like email is almost like ground zero for that line of thinking because

01:18:48 ◼   ► and this is the thing that I thought boy that sounds really weird but now that I've had

01:18:51 ◼   ► the watch a month it kind of makes sense is that the watch has your email you know from

01:18:58 ◼   ► mail dot app and on the thing but you can't write so you don't get to respond and you don't get to

01:19:05 ◼   ► craft a new message it's really just read only and it's and i've been using email forever on

01:19:12 ◼   ► all sorts of everything from you know terminals to you know dial up modems and i've never heard

01:19:18 ◼   ► of a read only email client before and it just didn't make any sense to me even though i don't

01:19:23 ◼   ► write that much email anymore compared you know with slack and and instant messaging picking up

01:19:28 ◼   ► up a lot of the smaller messages.

01:19:31 ◼   ► It just didn't make sense to me,

01:19:33 ◼   ► but I kind of think it is,

01:19:35 ◼   ► 'cause I think it's exactly that use case

01:19:36 ◼   ► where you said, where it's really,

01:19:38 ◼   ► even though you can read the whole message on the watch,

01:19:40 ◼   ► just in case maybe it is important,

01:19:42 ◼   ► it's really just about those first few lines.

01:19:45 ◼   ► Like, is this something you wanna go deal with right now?

01:19:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:19:49 ◼   ► - And I do think there's an anxiety reduction in that.

01:19:55 ◼   ► - Absolutely, you're exactly right.

01:19:57 ◼   ► It's anxiety reducing.

01:19:59 ◼   ► 'Cause what's the alternative?

01:20:00 ◼   ► You get a notification or you get a buzz in your pocket

01:20:03 ◼   ► while you're having a conversation with somebody.

01:20:06 ◼   ► It's rude to check the notification.

01:20:08 ◼   ► So then you have the anxiety of not knowing what it is.

01:20:11 ◼   ► So I think that's it.

01:20:13 ◼   ► That sums it up right there in an instant.

01:20:15 ◼   ► It's just suddenly just from the ability

01:20:19 ◼   ► to turn your wrist 40 degrees up towards you

01:20:24 ◼   ► and glance down at it,

01:20:25 ◼   ► you know that you don't have to pay attention to it.

01:20:27 ◼   ► then you go on with the rest of your conversation.

01:20:31 ◼   ► - Do you know who has a really cool app for,

01:20:33 ◼   ► and part of it is for the phone,

01:20:35 ◼   ► but I feel like the iPhone app is actually pretty good,

01:20:37 ◼   ► is the New York Times.

01:20:38 ◼   ► And I never had the New York Times thing on my phone.

01:20:42 ◼   ► I do read the New York Times on the web a lot,

01:20:44 ◼   ► but I never really use their apps.

01:20:46 ◼   ► But I wanted to test their watch app,

01:20:49 ◼   ► and they had one of the apps that came out

01:20:51 ◼   ► like way, you know, really early,

01:20:54 ◼   ► like the day after I got the review unit.

01:20:56 ◼   ► So it was like really, there weren't that many third party

01:20:59 ◼   ► apps in the app store yet to try, so I wanted to try it.

01:21:02 ◼   ► And the reason why is that they,

01:21:05 ◼   ► unlike every other news organization

01:21:06 ◼   ► I've ever granted temporary permission

01:21:09 ◼   ► to send me notifications for,

01:21:11 ◼   ► they really do only send you notifications

01:21:13 ◼   ► for important news.

01:21:15 ◼   ► So days will go by and they don't send you any notifications

01:21:18 ◼   ► because nothing really happened.

01:21:20 ◼   ► But then, you know, like the earthquake,

01:21:25 ◼   ► the earthquake hit over in Nepal then it's like well that's something I you know that was that

01:21:29 ◼   ► was actually worth you tapping me on the wrist to tell me that it had happened um and I you know um

01:21:37 ◼   ► I don't know where I was going with that well no I mean just once again it's just enough it's just

01:21:42 ◼   ► the important stuff it doesn't need to ping you every time you know whatever that's it says I

01:21:52 ◼   ► - I don't, like I have the breaking news app on my phone.

01:21:54 ◼   ► I have Circa and you can like scroll

01:21:59 ◼   ► through the top five stories and then you're good.

01:22:05 ◼   ► And if you wanna go any deeper, but like,

01:22:07 ◼   ► so here's another question.

01:22:10 ◼   ► Do you find yourself like lying awake at night,

01:22:13 ◼   ► like in bed, you've got your watch on,

01:22:15 ◼   ► you want to like consume more content through the watch

01:22:20 ◼   ► other than because it's a new toy

01:22:22 ◼   ► and you wanna play with it?

01:22:23 ◼   ► - Only in the first few days when I had it,

01:22:26 ◼   ► and that has totally worn off.

01:22:28 ◼   ► Like I don't wanna consume any content on the watch.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Another example, it's very common for me.

01:22:33 ◼   ► I mean, I'm guessing it's probably common

01:22:36 ◼   ► for everybody who listens to podcasts.

01:22:38 ◼   ► This is the whole reason I think people like podcasts,

01:22:41 ◼   ► is that we, as a, you know,

01:22:45 ◼   ► the type of people that you and I are,

01:22:47 ◼   ► we just cannot bear to be bored at all.

01:22:49 ◼   ► for like for 15 seconds.

01:22:51 ◼   ► I cannot, you know, and again, it's, you know,

01:22:53 ◼   ► Louis C.K. has entire bits about, you know,

01:22:57 ◼   ► how this just shows up what's wrong with us.

01:22:59 ◼   ► But like, if I'm in a store and there's two people

01:23:01 ◼   ► ahead of me at the register, I'm taking out my phone

01:23:03 ◼   ► and I'm gonna read Twitter or something

01:23:05 ◼   ► because God forbid I don't have something

01:23:08 ◼   ► to occupy my mind for the next 45 seconds.

01:23:11 ◼   ► It never tempts me to go to the watch.

01:23:14 ◼   ► Like, 'cause the watch isn't a do something, don't bore me.

01:23:18 ◼   ► know like again if I'm taking action I'm I want to go find something not to be

01:23:22 ◼   ► bored by I'd still go to the phone I think to go to the phone like the watch

01:23:27 ◼   ► is for things that you don't even have to think about you know what I mean I

01:23:30 ◼   ► don't know there's like a certain and again you know Apple's using the word

01:23:34 ◼   ► it's an official name of the featured glances but I think it's brilliantly

01:23:39 ◼   ► chosen word hmm what glances do you know that's a good question I feel like I

01:23:45 ◼   ► I would have been thinking about it,

01:23:47 ◼   ► like I've been waiting for the other watch I ordered to come

01:23:50 ◼   ► and I was thinking that I would set it up differently

01:23:52 ◼   ► and probably have a lot fewer glances.

01:23:54 ◼   ► I seem to have a lot and I kind of feel like glances are

01:23:57 ◼   ► like you really should just make them your favorites

01:24:00 ◼   ► and then that's like the quickest way

01:24:02 ◼   ► to get to those things that you do

01:24:04 ◼   ► because then you don't have to go to that home screen

01:24:05 ◼   ► where there's these tiny little buttons.

01:24:06 ◼   ► You just swipe up and swipe over and there's your glance.

01:24:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean when I first saw the idea of glances,

01:24:14 ◼   ► I thought that it was supposed to,

01:24:15 ◼   ► you're supposed to consider it like your doc or something.

01:24:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:24:19 ◼   ► - Those are your shortcuts.

01:24:20 ◼   ► But I think that's not what they intended for it to be

01:24:23 ◼   ► because theoretically you can access any of your apps

01:24:27 ◼   ► pretty easily anyway.

01:24:28 ◼   ► You don't need a shortcut.

01:24:30 ◼   ► I think it's just for like the little bits of information

01:24:34 ◼   ► that you want accessible to you very quickly

01:24:36 ◼   ► without having to launch the app.

01:24:38 ◼   ► That's what I think.

01:24:39 ◼   ► But I don't have too many of those things.

01:24:41 ◼   ► I mean like power, you know battery power is one of them.

01:24:45 ◼   ► What do I have?

01:24:48 ◼   ► - Yeah but I find with the battery power,

01:24:49 ◼   ► now maybe it's different for you

01:24:50 ◼   ► and I would be interested to hear that.

01:24:52 ◼   ► Like right now, mine is at 76%.

01:24:55 ◼   ► So and we're recording at, it's nine o'clock Eastern.

01:24:59 ◼   ► So I mean it's, I'm mostly through the day.

01:25:02 ◼   ► - Oh that's pretty good.

01:25:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:25:04 ◼   ► - Mine's at 59 but I pretty much obsessively like

01:25:09 ◼   ► lift my wrist every time I need one.

01:25:10 ◼   ► but I think that's a 38 42 factor, you know, like Joanna Stern and I were talking about it like

01:25:15 ◼   ► Apple's promised battery life is all for the 38 and then they just say in real small print

01:25:21 ◼   ► The 42 will get longer battery life in most contexts

01:25:24 ◼   ► And so but they don't say how much more because they don't want people to feel bad

01:25:27 ◼   ► About their 38. They just want you to get the one that's going to fit fit you right and I really think it's

01:25:33 ◼   ► Sorry, well, I just think that the battery life is not an issue

01:25:37 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not it's not going to screw anybody at the end of the day

01:25:40 ◼   ► like when they need to do whatever thing you get used to every day every night

01:25:46 ◼   ► you click in the charger and and that's and that's all you need to do it's like

01:25:52 ◼   ► yeah like you like you said you never have to think about it and there are so

01:25:55 ◼   ► many things like that that you don't have to think about and I think it's

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01:28:57 ◼   ► Thanks for asking.

01:28:58 ◼   ► - I was worried about him.

01:29:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, he got out.

01:29:01 ◼   ► So he was leading a crew of volunteers

01:29:06 ◼   ► doing a dental clinic.

01:29:07 ◼   ► He does that every year in Nepal.

01:29:10 ◼   ► He goes to India as well and they do Guatemala.

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01:29:45 ◼   ► we didn't quite know what was going on.

01:29:49 ◼   ► He managed to get out and landed a couple days ago

01:29:53 ◼   ► and he was on the news and I haven't watched it yet.

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01:30:01 ◼   ► - That's an amazing story and it's a great thing

01:30:04 ◼   ► that your dad does.

01:30:05 ◼   ► Your dad was a dentist or is a dentist now.

01:30:09 ◼   ► - He's retired, he was a kid's dentist, spaceship dentist.

01:30:12 ◼   ► His spaceships were all basically sort of pseudo Star Wars

01:30:17 ◼   ► themed with like mechanical doors, automatic doors.

01:30:22 ◼   ► - In other words, that's what you as a patient,

01:30:25 ◼   ► as when you would sit in like a little starship captain's

01:30:28 ◼   ► chair and then you'd get your teeth cleaned.

01:30:30 ◼   ► Is that what you're saying?

01:30:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, there were video monitors everywhere.

01:30:33 ◼   ► Old school, '80s video monitors.

01:30:35 ◼   ► There was like Starfield.

01:30:37 ◼   ► I think he had like real production designers

01:30:39 ◼   ► do the interiors of the offices

01:30:41 ◼   ► when he came up with this idea.

01:30:43 ◼   ► And everything was in that light gray

01:30:45 ◼   ► kind of Star Wars in inside spaceship yeah aesthetic it's pretty neat as a kid

01:30:50 ◼   ► and my robots and things yeah it makes being a dentist cool I mean honestly but

01:30:55 ◼   ► anyway what a great story glad to hear that he's okay okay well of course I

01:31:02 ◼   ► love your dad I haven't seen him yeah I know he used to go to Mac world right

01:31:07 ◼   ► here this is like the coolest dad ever spaceship Dennis chairs and took you to

01:31:12 ◼   ► mackerel. Yeah he's a good guy. I'll convince him to go again so he can come

01:31:19 ◼   ► out. He was um when the earthquake hit he was like he was getting acupuncture done

01:31:25 ◼   ► and he had like electrodes hooked up to his his feet and he had his eyes closed

01:31:32 ◼   ► and then opened his eyes and noticed that the whole world was shaking and

01:31:36 ◼   ► things were falling off the shelf. Everybody was running out of the office

01:31:40 ◼   ► where he was and he just ended up running out of the office with the electrodes strapped to his feet.

01:31:45 ◼   ► Darrell Bock No way.

01:31:46 ◼   ► PAUL Yeah.

01:31:47 ◼   ► Darrell Bock I thought you were going to say that he thought that maybe the electrodes were too

01:31:51 ◼   ► powerful. Like maybe it was just…

01:31:52 ◼   ► PAUL Yeah. Who knows what goes through your mind.

01:31:54 ◼   ► Darrell Bock I don't know.

01:31:55 ◼   ► PAUL It's not a natural thing for a human to experience.

01:31:57 ◼   ► Darrell Bock No, definitely not. I mean, and even though you guys as Californians are probably more

01:32:02 ◼   ► accustomed to thinking about earthquakes. But I don't know. It would drive me – it would be the

01:32:09 ◼   ► last thing that would occur to me. I would be like what the hell is going on and then like a minute

01:32:13 ◼   ► later someone say that was an earthquake dummy and I'd be like oh of course but that doesn't even

01:32:18 ◼   ► occur to me. Yeah no I mean it was huge it was huge it was huge. All right here's an idea that's

01:32:25 ◼   ► been popping up in my head with the watch I'm gonna hear what you think is as we go and trying

01:32:30 ◼   ► to think zigzagging between you know nitty-gritty details on the watch today and and big picture

01:32:36 ◼   ► thoughts like what's it going to be like in five years is like one thing I can't imagine

01:32:40 ◼   ► not or having on the watch because I can't figure out how they would how they would do the angles to

01:32:46 ◼   ► make it practical is how would they put a camera on it. Yeah I mean like it's interesting you you

01:32:51 ◼   ► said that because I think that's the number one missing thing right now hardware wise and I did

01:32:59 ◼   ► to me it would be it would be pretty natural I don't think it would be a front-facing camera

01:33:05 ◼   ► that like looks up at you because I think what the main use case of it is that you want to shoot

01:33:12 ◼   ► a picture of something else besides your face. It's not a FaceTime camera. It's a, you want to

01:33:19 ◼   ► avoid that seven seconds delay between reaching, you know, seeing something you want to take a

01:33:24 ◼   ► picture of, reaching your pocket, launching the camera app, shooting the picture. You want to

01:33:29 ◼   ► to avoid that so you just raise your arm and the camera is pointing outwards and there's

01:33:35 ◼   ► your camera and I feel like that cuts the experience down to maybe what two and a half

01:33:39 ◼   ► three seconds and I can already think of a number of times you know I have a two-year-old

01:33:45 ◼   ► you can never know what you never know what amazing funny thing he's gonna do next and

01:33:53 ◼   ► there's there there have already been lots of times when I when I've thought if I only

01:33:58 ◼   ► I could raise my wrist and shoot that. Yeah, well, I think that, you know, for reasons trivial,

01:34:04 ◼   ► you know, like, hey, I want to be able to shoot my kid or my cat, to the deadly serious. Like,

01:34:11 ◼   ► like the current world where ordinary citizens have a phone with them within seconds of being

01:34:19 ◼   ► launched at all times has changed the relationship with the police all around this country. Like,

01:34:26 ◼   ► a big part of what's going on with the protests in Baltimore and other cities is a lot of

01:34:33 ◼   ► ways based on footage that's come out that people have shot on their phones.

01:34:38 ◼   ► And if news is breaking, it's just getting to be at this point where it just seems like

01:34:43 ◼   ► we've always got a camera with us.

01:34:45 ◼   ► And—

01:34:46 ◼   ► Daishi T

01:34:46 ◼   ► And the lens can be anywhere.

01:34:49 ◼   ► The lens is like sort of the easy part.

01:34:51 ◼   ► It's the sensors a little bit more difficult than the capture mechanism and the storage

01:34:57 ◼   ► is more difficult than that.

01:34:59 ◼   ► But I feel like it won't be too long where the lens is really on everybody's wrist.

01:35:05 ◼   ► So where do you think they would put it though?

01:35:07 ◼   ► Oh, I have no idea.

01:35:10 ◼   ► I am not an industrial design person.

01:35:14 ◼   ► was a Samsung phone or not phone watch that that that had it built into the wrist strap

01:35:20 ◼   ► and yeah absolutely and what my experience with that and I love telling this story is

01:35:27 ◼   ► I was I was shooting a commercial where I was on camera and what they do when with wardrobe

01:35:34 ◼   ► and continuity and everything is the second assistant director it's their job to come

01:35:38 ◼   ► over and take a picture of you after every scene so you know they know exactly what your

01:35:42 ◼   ► wardrobe looked like. And so our second AD was all day throughout the shoot coming over

01:35:47 ◼   ► with his little point-and-shoot camera, snapping a photo, saving it for continuity. And then

01:35:56 ◼   ► towards the end of the day, he said, "Oh, let me grab you real quick, take a picture."

01:36:01 ◼   ► He didn't have his camera with him, so he held up his Samsung, what is it, gear?

01:36:06 ◼   ► Yeah, well, I think they have a couple phones called gear.

01:36:10 ◼   ► So he lifted up his Samsung watch and he snaps a photo and says okay we're good.

01:36:15 ◼   ► And I was like whoa I know that the Apple watch isn't going to do that but I already

01:36:20 ◼   ► want it to.

01:36:21 ◼   ► Right.

01:36:22 ◼   ► I want the feature but I know that they're not going to build it and I can see why Samsung

01:36:26 ◼   ► put it where they did on the strap.

01:36:29 ◼   ► But it made the strap everybody you know a lot of the reviewers said it you know the

01:36:32 ◼   ► strap is not comfortable because it's you know it's got electronic circuitry between

01:36:37 ◼   ► the side of your wrist and the watch face makes it thicker and it defeats what's clearly a central

01:36:44 ◼   ► part of Apple Watch's design which is this idea of band swap ability. So I wouldn't go there but

01:36:53 ◼   ► I can see why ergonomically they put it there. Anyway, the tension that I see is that it seems

01:36:57 ◼   ► to me like the tension is I expect to have a camera with me at all times but I also now feel

01:37:03 ◼   ► like soon enough I'll be able to go with just my Apple watch and you know yeah

01:37:08 ◼   ► but yet then I wouldn't have a camera with me so then I feel like therefore

01:37:12 ◼   ► dot dot dot they have to add a camera eventually yeah well I mean it's gonna

01:37:16 ◼   ► be iterative and the first version of the camera on the watch if there is one

01:37:20 ◼   ► is gonna look like garbage just like the first you know the first camera on the

01:37:25 ◼   ► iPhone looked pretty bad do you ever go back through your photos library and

01:37:29 ◼   ► and look at the first iPhone pictures you took.

01:37:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, totally.

01:37:34 ◼   ► - And they look terrible.

01:37:35 ◼   ► And that's okay.

01:37:36 ◼   ► And there wasn't a front-facing camera at first.

01:37:39 ◼   ► And that's okay.

01:37:40 ◼   ► And it didn't shoot video.

01:37:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, not shooting video.

01:37:43 ◼   ► Not shooting video is one that every time it comes up now,

01:37:45 ◼   ► I go back and I go back and I'm like, wait, is that right?

01:37:49 ◼   ► I gotta double check that.

01:37:50 ◼   ► And I go back. - Yeah, me too.

01:37:51 ◼   ► - And I go back and double check.

01:37:52 ◼   ► And it's like, holy shit, it did not shoot video.

01:37:55 ◼   ► It's such an integral part of the product now

01:37:59 ◼   ► that we would never be without,

01:38:01 ◼   ► that it doesn't make sense that they would ever

01:38:02 ◼   ► ship something without that.

01:38:04 ◼   ► And you just have to wonder how many of those things

01:38:07 ◼   ► are not in the watch right now.

01:38:08 ◼   ► - Right.

01:38:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:38:10 ◼   ► I feel like there's gotta be some way that they could do it.

01:38:13 ◼   ► I don't know if it would be.

01:38:14 ◼   ► Maybe it would be a front-facing camera,

01:38:16 ◼   ► so you could use it for face time.

01:38:18 ◼   ► But then if you turn your wrist away,

01:38:20 ◼   ► you wouldn't be able to see the framing.

01:38:23 ◼   ► You would just point your wrist at what you're shooting

01:38:25 ◼   ► and hit the digital crown and it would snap a photo

01:38:28 ◼   ► and then you could turn your wrist back

01:38:30 ◼   ► to see what it captured.

01:38:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, that seems like it would work.

01:38:35 ◼   ► I mean, we're not all framing up.

01:38:37 ◼   ► - Right.

01:38:38 ◼   ► - Our iPhone snaps pretty, very specifically anyway.

01:38:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

01:38:42 ◼   ► I mean, that's the sort of thing where I could be off base

01:38:44 ◼   ► and maybe there'll never be a camera on it,

01:38:45 ◼   ► but I feel like, I don't know,

01:38:46 ◼   ► seems to me like everything gets a camera eventually.

01:38:49 ◼   ► - It does and everything gets smaller

01:38:52 ◼   ► and faster and everything.

01:38:55 ◼   ► I loved that part of what of yours and Molt's conversation

01:38:58 ◼   ► where you were talking about the iPad and the rev cycles

01:39:02 ◼   ► and your reasoning behind, was this your reasoning

01:39:06 ◼   ► or was this somebody else's that you read?

01:39:08 ◼   ► The reasoning behind people not updating as much.

01:39:12 ◼   ► - It was sort of what I was thinking

01:39:14 ◼   ► but it was better put into words by that one comment

01:39:18 ◼   ► on Dr. Drang's blog, like a reader of his blog.

01:39:23 ◼   ► that was so smart I mean so you can recap it if you want I probably want to

01:39:28 ◼   ► his case probably still won't do as succinct a job as that guy did but it

01:39:32 ◼   ► was the basic gist was that we're only five years into this you know the first

01:39:38 ◼   ► iPad was five years ago so we're still in the first upgrade cycle and seems

01:39:42 ◼   ► like for a lot of people on iPad lasts you know four or five years and so we

01:39:46 ◼   ► still haven't gotten to the point where you kind of know how many people should

01:39:50 ◼   ► be you know if Apple is doing a good job with making new products every year how

01:39:55 ◼   ► many people should be buying one every year because their people are still on

01:39:59 ◼   ► their first one and they're pleased with it yeah and when why wouldn't they be it

01:40:03 ◼   ► does it does pretty much what what you needed to do which is it you can browse

01:40:08 ◼   ► web you can watch video you can do some creative kind of stuff and the processor

01:40:16 ◼   ► hasn't gotten that much faster and yeah Roxana's dad still uses the version 1

01:40:23 ◼   ► iPad that we that I had originally bought and we gave to him because all he

01:40:28 ◼   ► wants is to watch YouTube videos all day of like classical music and architecture

01:40:33 ◼   ► videos and stuff and it does it does a trick for him and I and it's such a is

01:40:39 ◼   ► it weird to say it's kind of like a secondary device it's not no I don't

01:40:42 ◼   ► think it's weird to say I think it's you know it is what it is you know and I

01:40:46 ◼   ► I think we're going to get, as time goes on,

01:40:48 ◼   ► we're gonna get more and more secondary tertiary,

01:40:51 ◼   ► we're just gonna surround ourselves with little displays.

01:40:54 ◼   ► You know, and that's what the watch is another one, I think.

01:40:56 ◼   ► Is that, I mean--

01:40:58 ◼   ► - Well it could be, but it also could be a primary.

01:41:00 ◼   ► Like I think that the second it gets a feature

01:41:03 ◼   ► that is a must-have feature that version one doesn't have,

01:41:06 ◼   ► I think it'd be, it's no longer a secondary device

01:41:10 ◼   ► and it's a primary device.

01:41:11 ◼   ► Like even like just consider what would happen

01:41:15 ◼   ► if the next, if maybe two years from now,

01:41:18 ◼   ► it's got a camera and people start seeing

01:41:21 ◼   ► that people who have just bought the new version two watch

01:41:25 ◼   ► are getting all these cool cameras or whatever.

01:41:28 ◼   ► Argument's sake, it's some other feature

01:41:31 ◼   ► that you can only do with version two.

01:41:33 ◼   ► - Right.

01:41:34 ◼   ► - And like, you know, the fact that the iPad got a lens

01:41:38 ◼   ► on it was not that killer app that the iPad needed

01:41:41 ◼   ► in order for people to buy more of them.

01:41:44 ◼   ► I think you can make an argument that the iPhone 1 suffered from enough feature constraint

01:41:54 ◼   ► that version 2 was where people started to really buy into it and it allowed them to

01:42:02 ◼   ► do more things.

01:42:04 ◼   ► And how many people did you see using a version 1 iPhone even three years after the iPhone

01:42:09 ◼   ► launched?

01:42:10 ◼   ► Oh, all the time.

01:42:11 ◼   ► Oh, really?

01:42:12 ◼   ► Well no actually I guess I would say the opposite now that I think about it.

01:42:17 ◼   ► Well I mean my question was kind of leading in the opposite direction.

01:42:20 ◼   ► I feel like there weren't that many people.

01:42:21 ◼   ► I feel like the iPhone 1 kind of disappeared quickly.

01:42:24 ◼   ► I could be wrong.

01:42:25 ◼   ► Yeah and because they didn't in the grand scheme of things they didn't really sell that

01:42:29 ◼   ► many in the first place.

01:42:30 ◼   ► I guess so yeah you're right and it could be just like a parallel model with the watch.

01:42:36 ◼   ► Do you know what made me jump on that and say yes was that there's one teacher at Jonas's

01:42:39 ◼   ► school who was using an original iPhone until like last year and that's so cool it's a beautiful

01:42:45 ◼   ► it is a beautiful device it's gorgeous i love the device and you know i i just don't think that he

01:42:52 ◼   ► was you know he cared you know about the technology or whatever but it was he just shot to mind is yes

01:42:57 ◼   ► i saw that one teacher who's still using an old iphone uh yeah but no i mean like the argument i

01:43:04 ◼   ► I was trying to make is that the iPhone 1 lacked so many features that then came out

01:43:11 ◼   ► in iterative versions that it became obsolete pretty quickly.

01:43:17 ◼   ► That's what I was going with.

01:43:20 ◼   ► And so that didn't happen with the iPad, but I think it will happen with the watch.

01:43:24 ◼   ► I think the watch will start to get new things that only later versions of the watch can

01:43:29 ◼   ► have.

01:43:30 ◼   ► you know, I think medical sensors and stuff like that too, you know, who knows what it'll be

01:43:35 ◼   ► We I wouldn't know I probably would not have predicted

01:43:37 ◼   ► It was the camera back then because I don't think our expectation was so low for cell phone cameras that I thought

01:43:44 ◼   ► Well, of course these pictures aren't great. It's a cell phone camera and it never not weird

01:43:48 ◼   ► Yeah that the landscape for video for mobile video back then was the flip camera. Yeah, I was just thinking about that because when the first

01:43:56 ◼   ► iPhone with video did come out

01:43:59 ◼   ► I remember comparing it against the Flip,

01:44:02 ◼   ► and the Flip still had better picture.

01:44:05 ◼   ► And you think, well, of course it had better picture.

01:44:07 ◼   ► It's a dedicated camera.

01:44:08 ◼   ► Whereas the writing was on the wall

01:44:10 ◼   ► that they just could not compete with Apple in the long run,

01:44:13 ◼   ► and the sensor technology is advancing it.

01:44:15 ◼   ► It's such an amazing clip that it didn't take long

01:44:18 ◼   ► for there to be an iPhone that blew the Flip away.

01:44:22 ◼   ► And then, just quality-wise,

01:44:24 ◼   ► let alone in terms of only having one device in your pocket

01:44:27 ◼   ► and already being on the internet, et cetera.

01:44:30 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:44:31 ◼   ► - No, but we have tons of videos

01:44:35 ◼   ► from the earlier years of Jonas's life

01:44:38 ◼   ► that were all shot on flips.

01:44:40 ◼   ► I don't know, I do know where the files are,

01:44:42 ◼   ► but it feels like a bygone era.

01:44:47 ◼   ► - It does, and because,

01:44:50 ◼   ► I feel like there's no longer this idea of scarcity.

01:44:55 ◼   ► Well, I don't know, it's an interesting question.

01:44:56 ◼   ► Do you feel like when you're rolling video on your iPhone,

01:45:00 ◼   ► do you feel like storage is scarce

01:45:02 ◼   ► and you wanna keep it to it,

01:45:03 ◼   ► like you wanna cut the clip short?

01:45:05 ◼   ► Obviously you're not gonna shoot a two hour video

01:45:07 ◼   ► of piano recital on your iPhone or something like that.

01:45:11 ◼   ► - No, I don't do stuff like that.

01:45:13 ◼   ► But I don't-- - Most of the clips

01:45:13 ◼   ► are gonna be like a minute, two minutes at the most.

01:45:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, the video story for us is weird

01:45:20 ◼   ► because, so Jonas was born in 2004

01:45:26 ◼   ► And so for, in January, and so for Christmas that year,

01:45:31 ◼   ► my mother-in-law got us a Panasonic Mini DV camera.

01:45:36 ◼   ► She wanted, you know, she was like,

01:45:37 ◼   ► "I wanna buy you a camera, you know, I want, you know,

01:45:39 ◼   ► "lots of video." - That's right.

01:45:40 ◼   ► - It was wonderful, and you know, she said,

01:45:42 ◼   ► "What, you tell me what to get."

01:45:43 ◼   ► And I got a, you know, I don't know, you know,

01:45:46 ◼   ► like a consumer, you know, dad,

01:45:47 ◼   ► it was a dad camera from 2004.

01:45:49 ◼   ► I thought it was cool how small Mini DV was, you know.

01:45:53 ◼   ► But then, you know, it's like, so first few years of his life, like 2004, 2005, 2006 especially,

01:46:01 ◼   ► it's all shot on mini DV tapes.

01:46:05 ◼   ► And I, because they were tapes, then you, to me, once you get over halfway done with

01:46:11 ◼   ► your tape, you're like, well, I'll just keep shooting because, you know, it'll say,

01:46:16 ◼   ► you know, like the little sticker on the tape that says Mother's Day 2006 or something

01:46:20 ◼   ► like that.

01:46:21 ◼   ► I might as well just shoot the rest of the tape though because the next time I want to shoot something

01:46:24 ◼   ► I want to start with a fresh tape. Yeah

01:46:26 ◼   ► So I think that those early years of his life where I was shooting mini TV

01:46:30 ◼   ► there's a lot of filler footage where I just let the camera go because I figured I'd rather just use up the tape and

01:46:37 ◼   ► then the next era is the flip era where most of the videos were shot with the flip and then

01:46:43 ◼   ► They're the clips are like just as long as you want them to be and it's you know

01:46:48 ◼   ► We don't need to we don't need footage of every single present being open on Christmas. This is good

01:46:53 ◼   ► We got the one where he you know was most excited and put it away

01:46:56 ◼   ► Yeah, and did you think that when you had a flip did you think of those videos as files? No, no

01:47:02 ◼   ► Not really, but I was always glad though that they would be more easily put on a hard drive

01:47:08 ◼   ► You know and moved from computer to computer than the DVD the mini TV tapes, which I've still never really dealt with

01:47:14 ◼   ► Yeah

01:47:16 ◼   ► I'm just so thankful now that we're moving to the side. Yeah

01:47:19 ◼   ► cliche but the era of the cloud and that literally, you know, it took five days for

01:47:25 ◼   ► everything to sync when I migrated to photos, but my

01:47:30 ◼   ► 25,000 photos and my

01:47:32 ◼   ► 2000 videos that I've shot are all somewhere protected in the cloud and I never have to worry about cassettes

01:47:39 ◼   ► I never have to worry about

01:47:40 ◼   ► You know obsolete

01:47:42 ◼   ► disk formats hard drives all that stuff is just like it's somebody else's problem now and

01:47:48 ◼   ► And it's not there's no barrier to going and recalling it

01:47:51 ◼   ► I don't need a deck to play all that stuff. I don't need a special cable, right? It's just it's just there

01:47:57 ◼   ► I think that's a beautiful beautiful thing that I

01:47:59 ◼   ► mean there a lot of lip service is paid to it because everybody's you know, the cloud is is what it's the

01:48:07 ◼   ► It's the golden

01:48:10 ◼   ► I can't even think of the words to express what I was trying to say.

01:48:15 ◼   ► The cloud is so whatever, it's just, it's trite at this point, but it's very real.

01:48:21 ◼   ► Like that data storage has sort of disappeared and we don't have to worry about it anymore.

01:48:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I like the way, to me it feels like magic when I take, and I take more screenshots

01:48:30 ◼   ► with my stupid watch than most people because I'm thinking about tweeting things like about

01:48:34 ◼   ► a stupid UI or maybe thinking about it for an article or whatever.

01:48:38 ◼   ► But it's really cool to me that when you do it and you take a screenshot, it just shows

01:48:41 ◼   ► up on your phone.

01:48:43 ◼   ► And then I was like texting them from my phone to myself or air dropping them, air dropping

01:48:49 ◼   ► them to my Mac.

01:48:50 ◼   ► And then I thought, I thought, you know what, I bet they just show up in the new Photos

01:48:53 ◼   ► app.

01:48:54 ◼   ► And I went to the new Photos app and there, you know, it says today and there's all your

01:48:58 ◼   ► screenshots.

01:48:59 ◼   ► They just show up.

01:49:00 ◼   ► You don't have to sit there and airplay them around, air drop them around to yourself.

01:49:04 ◼   ► You just wait a couple seconds and it just shows up in photos quicker than if you had

01:49:09 ◼   ► sent it.

01:49:10 ◼   ► It's there.

01:49:11 ◼   ► I mean, obviously images are heavier data than something like a contact, but you remember

01:49:17 ◼   ► that feeling of like when iCloud first got its shit together and you could add a new

01:49:22 ◼   ► contact on your phone, it would show up in your contacts app in your Mac instantaneously

01:49:27 ◼   ► or a calendar or something.

01:49:28 ◼   ► That's very lightweight data.

01:49:29 ◼   ► It was still impressive that they got it all working, especially after MobileMe.

01:49:33 ◼   ► But now that the fact that they can do that with images, which 10 years ago we would have

01:49:39 ◼   ► just like, everything would have choked instantaneously.

01:49:43 ◼   ► I think that's incredible.

01:49:47 ◼   ► It's really fun to watch and I think that the one thing that disappoints me is that

01:49:51 ◼   ► Apple hasn't done a great job of educating people on the fact that it exists and preparing

01:49:59 ◼   ► them for what it means with everything that everybody's like constantly collecting with

01:50:05 ◼   ► their devices.

01:50:06 ◼   ► I still kind of feel like Apple's nickel and diamond people on the cost.

01:50:09 ◼   ► I feel like the free tier could be significantly higher.

01:50:13 ◼   ► Like I don't mind paying four bucks a month or whatever I am for 200 gigabytes or whatever.

01:50:18 ◼   ► But I kind of feel like the free tier is way too stingy.

01:50:21 ◼   ► Like there's no way it covers everybody's photos and videos.

01:50:25 ◼   ► And then –

01:50:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:50:27 ◼   ► I bet they open that up pretty quickly though.

01:50:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so too that's but it seems like that sort of thing that that they'll just keep every WWDC

01:50:33 ◼   ► They'll announce new pricing and they'll always by the time May rolls around will always be bitching about you know

01:50:39 ◼   ► How much it cost because it was prices were set a year ago

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01:51:56 ◼   ► And to me, here's the part that to me. It's it is

01:51:59 ◼   ► It sounds too good to be true, but it's not is that they've got this thing they call valet transfer

01:52:06 ◼   ► So you sign up for hover you become a hover customer and then if you're like me, you've got domain names

01:52:12 ◼   ► registered from X Y & Z

01:52:15 ◼   ► Registrar's from like 1995 until today and are all over the place and the other companies aren't that great?

01:52:20 ◼   ► And you really just want them all under one roof. You don't have to do all that work

01:52:24 ◼   ► Just give your credentials to log into you know

01:52:28 ◼   ► Whoever registrar's use before give them to the people at hover and their experts

01:52:33 ◼   ► This is all they do is they deal with DNS and you know making sure all these transfers go by without a hitch

01:52:39 ◼   ► they'll just move all of your

01:52:42 ◼   ► Domains from wherever and from whenever you first booked them

01:52:46 ◼   ► They'll move them all into your hover account and then next thing, you know, like the next day. There you go

01:52:50 ◼   ► You go and log in the hover and all of your domains are right there

01:52:52 ◼   ► And again, it just sounds too good to be true

01:52:56 ◼   ► Cuz you think well you got to pay, you know, probably have to pay through the nose for that

01:52:58 ◼   ► No, that's just the the domain transfer thing is just part of the service of being a hover customer

01:53:03 ◼   ► It's just included in their customer service

01:53:06 ◼   ► Could not be less hassle-free

01:53:09 ◼   ► It's it's I can't even imagine how in theory they could make it less of a hassle to move all of your existing domains

01:53:15 ◼   ► to hover

01:53:17 ◼   ► All sorts of other stuff

01:53:20 ◼   ► DNS management bulk management tools for people who have

01:53:23 ◼   ► Tons of domains you name it. They've got it. So go check them out if you have any need for a new domain

01:53:30 ◼   ► name if you have

01:53:32 ◼   ► An old domain name that you would like to move to a really cool company with really good UI for managing it

01:53:38 ◼   ► Go check out hover.com and they have a promo code and here's what the deal they listen

01:53:44 ◼   ► This is gonna take some explanation, but they listen to the show. They're big fans of during fireball

01:53:48 ◼   ► They listen to shows like the talk show and ATP. So they pick the codes based on

01:53:53 ◼   ► Things that like I've been writing about or whatever

01:53:56 ◼   ► So this week's code is comeback kit all one word C O M E B A C K K ID

01:54:02 ◼   ► and that's that's my my nickname for

01:54:06 ◼   ► A young young New York Yankee named Alex Rodriguez who's having a good season. It's a comeback kid

01:54:12 ◼   ► It makes people angry. They don't be angry at hover

01:54:15 ◼   ► They picked date, but I've been the one talking about it

01:54:17 ◼   ► But people get angry about it because what he's coming back for from is a year-long suspension from performance enhancing drugs

01:54:24 ◼   ► Come back here come back kid

01:54:28 ◼   ► So my thanks to offer go check them out hover comm and the code is come back kid and then they'll know you came from

01:54:35 ◼   ► here and that you you don't even have to be a fan of Alex Rodriguez but you could

01:54:39 ◼   ► just type the code and you'll save some bucks and they'll they'll know you came

01:54:42 ◼   ► from here so that's that looks awesome that looks awesome I don't I mean I was

01:54:48 ◼   ► just I was looking at the site as you were talking about it I'm gonna use this

01:54:52 ◼   ► to register a couple of things I thought you needed to go to like shady places to

01:54:58 ◼   ► to get the new TLDs no but yeah I think you did it first I think you did it

01:55:04 ◼   ► first but that did not anymore yeah that's cool I like when you say our good

01:55:10 ◼   ► friends at cuz it's almost there's a little there's something a little good

01:55:14 ◼   ► fellas about it you know this is my this is my good friend hover or this is our

01:55:21 ◼   ► good friends at fracture well you know what it makes me the thing that makes me

01:55:25 ◼   ► happy about so many of these sponsors is that they come back and you know it's

01:55:30 ◼   ► like to me if I I love new sponsors too and so the rails tutorial you know

01:55:34 ◼   ► The thing is great first time that they sponsored the show. I hope they come back

01:55:38 ◼   ► Hope they have great success

01:55:39 ◼   ► but the fact that the other three sponsors

01:55:41 ◼   ► Hello was here a couple months ago and they you know

01:55:43 ◼   ► Like they only signed up for one the first time and then they were so happy with the results

01:55:46 ◼   ► They sold so many pillows. I mean, which is a crazy thing for me to say like I I

01:55:50 ◼   ► I could definitely like 10 15 years ago. Imagine a world where I had some kind of talk show

01:55:56 ◼   ► I wouldn't have known to call it a podcast at the time

01:55:58 ◼   ► But I could have imagined doing it and I could have imagined that the way that I did it was by selling ads

01:56:03 ◼   ► You know because that seems to be how shows always did work and probably always will I?

01:56:08 ◼   ► Could not have imagined that like one of the happy sponsors of the show was selling pillows

01:56:14 ◼   ► Right, I just doesn't it just I would not have occurred to me. But anyway, it's pretty cool

01:56:20 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, however, anybody can do any kind of business they want to know

01:56:24 ◼   ► hover has been a sponsor of this show as long as the show has had

01:56:29 ◼   ► Sponsors like years and years and years to some level of regularity, you know, at least every quarter

01:56:35 ◼   ► They've they've sponsored a couple episodes

01:56:36 ◼   ► So I mean it I and I sincerely mean that they're my good friends because they've you know

01:56:42 ◼   ► Been part of my business for a long time and I think I truly think they have a great product

01:56:47 ◼   ► It's super cool

01:56:49 ◼   ► Let's bring it home. But what are your last thoughts on the watch?

01:56:51 ◼   ► What do you what do you want to talk about that? We haven't talked to about yet

01:56:54 ◼   ► Well, I mean just we talked about the future a little bit

01:56:59 ◼   ► Mean I said the camera what do you what else do you think that the watch has in?

01:57:04 ◼   ► In two or three years that it doesn't have now well

01:57:07 ◼   ► I can't figure out how they'll do it, but I can't it to me. It's gotta gain its own networking

01:57:13 ◼   ► But then you know so you so you don't need an iPhone eventually is that what you're saying like yeah

01:57:19 ◼   ► But it's I'm not quite sure you know

01:57:21 ◼   ► Maybe it's just Wi-Fi

01:57:23 ◼   ► I would probably would be at first probably the first step to that would be to have true Wi-Fi

01:57:28 ◼   ► And I know that it this gets complicated because the watch does support Wi-Fi at a certain level

01:57:33 ◼   ► But it's really just using like that back channel Wi-Fi to stay in contact with your phone while you're on the same network

01:57:39 ◼   ► So like your phone can be all the way

01:57:41 ◼   ► On the fourth floor and you're down in the basement

01:57:44 ◼   ► You know getting clothes out of the dryer and it's still connected because it's on the Wi-Fi but your phone

01:57:49 ◼   ► I mean your watch doesn't get on Wi-Fi like if your phone isn't with you period that's really cool

01:57:55 ◼   ► I didn't realize that that's how that worked. I because I'd heard that it had Wi-Fi by right because Bluetooth

01:58:01 ◼   ► I the gist of it is I think Bluetooth is a practical range of about 30 feet and

01:58:06 ◼   ► You know, I think it gets kind of sketchy at that, but it definitely is true

01:58:11 ◼   ► I've I haven't some people have asked like have I tested exactly how far away the phone can be now because I don't do reviews

01:58:16 ◼   ► like that

01:58:17 ◼   ► like I'm not gonna sit there with a tape measure and

01:58:19 ◼   ► Measure whether I get text messages at 25 feet and do I get them at 26 feet and stuff like that?

01:58:24 ◼   ► But I've definitely had the phone way more than 30 feet away inside my house and I still

01:58:29 ◼   ► get text messages and stuff like that.

01:58:32 ◼   ► And that's so smart because the only places you're going to be that far away from your

01:58:36 ◼   ► phone in the first place are places where you know the Wi-Fi.

01:58:39 ◼   ► You have – you're on the Wi-Fi network and it's a friendly place.

01:58:43 ◼   ► Otherwise you're outside of a network and you're worried about everybody stealing

01:58:48 ◼   ► your stuff.

01:58:49 ◼   ► So everything's together.

01:58:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:58:51 ◼   ► So I don't know how the business of it would work because even if you buy a cellular

01:58:54 ◼   ► You still have to pay at least, you know, like 10, 15 bucks a month to get some kind

01:58:59 ◼   ► of thing.

01:59:01 ◼   ► And nobody wants to keep spending 10, 15 bucks a month.

01:59:04 ◼   ► But there's got to be some kind of way, I think, that once they can shrink a cellular

01:59:08 ◼   ► antenna and fit it in a watch and not have it, you know, decrease the battery to less

01:59:13 ◼   ► than a day, that it'll have independent cellular.

01:59:16 ◼   ► Well, is it okay to – is it fair to say that I don't really want that?

01:59:21 ◼   ► Like I don't – yeah.

01:59:22 ◼   ► I feel like if I stepped back to 2002,

01:59:25 ◼   ► when we were hooking our iPods up through Firewire

01:59:29 ◼   ► to our Macs in order to manage the libraries on them,

01:59:34 ◼   ► if you asked me, would you like,

01:59:36 ◼   ► if you could just have music on your iPod,

01:59:39 ◼   ► you didn't need to do it through your Mac,

01:59:41 ◼   ► or even the iPhone, you know,

01:59:43 ◼   ► like the iPhone you still needed to connect to your Mac

01:59:45 ◼   ► at the beginning.

01:59:46 ◼   ► And you asked me like, would you want that to not happen?

01:59:49 ◼   ► So you could just do everything you want.

01:59:50 ◼   ► I'd probably say the same.

01:59:51 ◼   ► I'd probably say, no, I'm good.

01:59:54 ◼   ► I like keeping everything on my Mac

01:59:55 ◼   ► and then just managing it there.

01:59:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think you're underestimating.

02:00:00 ◼   ► I don't think it's because, and again,

02:00:01 ◼   ► it's not because I think that you wanna do a lot

02:00:04 ◼   ► on your watch without the phone.

02:00:06 ◼   ► 'Cause again, I don't think that's ever gonna change.

02:00:08 ◼   ► But I do think though that you should be able

02:00:10 ◼   ► to just not worry about how close you are to your phone.

02:00:13 ◼   ► - Sure. - Like if you wanted to,

02:00:15 ◼   ► you know, and for exercising, I think that's a huge one,

02:00:17 ◼   ► is that you don't have to have your stupid phone

02:00:20 ◼   ► strapped to your arm in a band or whatever.

02:00:23 ◼   ► And that you can just go for a run for five miles

02:00:26 ◼   ► and if an important notification comes in,

02:00:27 ◼   ► you're still gonna get it.

02:00:29 ◼   ► So I think it's gotta happen eventually,

02:00:31 ◼   ► but I don't know, you'd have to switch to some kind of plan

02:00:33 ◼   ► where everything is sort of a la carte.

02:00:35 ◼   ► You know, you just sign up, you give Verizon $100 a month

02:00:38 ◼   ► and you get all of your devices.

02:00:40 ◼   ► It sort of works like that with the family plan now, but.

02:00:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I could see it, I could see that.

02:00:45 ◼   ► - I know, 'cause I'm not gonna, I almost missed it,

02:00:47 ◼   ► but GPS is another one.

02:00:49 ◼   ► and I know that the people who run and bicycle are,

02:00:52 ◼   ► that's like the number one thing

02:00:53 ◼   ► that they feel like this first one's missing.

02:00:56 ◼   ► - That makes sense.