The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► I'm nervous. Let me tell you why I'm nervous. John Moltz.

00:00:02 ◼   ► Late on me. I'm thinking here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking

00:00:06 ◼   ► and maybe we talk a little politics. Oh, wow. Here's what I'm thinking. This is what I'm thinking.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Did you watch it? Did you watch Bill Clinton last night at the convention? I watched a lot of it.

00:00:17 ◼   ► It was long. And here's why we can talk about it. And nobody can complain. Steve Jobs's wife,

00:00:24 ◼   ► Lauren Powell Jobs was there in the audience. And they showed her on TV. Did you know? Did you

00:00:28 ◼   ► to catch that? I did not see that part. She was sitting next to, right next to Chelsea Clinton.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Okay. So that makes it on topic. I suppose so. If you want to go there.

00:00:39 ◼   ► You know what? I would like to do it in a way. Can you do it in a way? Can we, can I praise

00:00:45 ◼   ► Bill Clinton in a way that is apolitical? That even if you were, you're a happy talk show listener

00:00:53 ◼   ► who loves the tech talk and really loves it when I talk sports, can we talk politics in

00:01:00 ◼   ► a way that wouldn't turn anybody off, regardless of how you intend to vote or your interest in the

00:01:04 ◼   ► election? I believe we can do it. I believe we cannot do it, but I'm willing to try.

00:01:09 ◼   ► All I want to say is that I just think Bill Clinton is the greatest speaker I've ever

00:01:17 ◼   ► seen in my life. It was really, it seems to me that have been the best speech of any of the

00:01:22 ◼   ► anything so far we've seen in the last two weeks. Right. If I were including, including Motorola and

00:01:27 ◼   ► Nokia, like I have a dual interest in politics, where on the one side, I'm interested in politics.

00:01:35 ◼   ► On a policy level, you know, like, like, what actually happens and which way it goes,

00:01:42 ◼   ► and I tend to be sort of liberal in that way. But I'm also very interested in politics as sport.

00:01:50 ◼   ► you know, the election politics and the strategy and how you frame stuff and how you make the

00:01:56 ◼   ► commercials and do that. And in that way, I can abstract my personal preferences, I think, to some

00:02:03 ◼   ► degree, and appreciate when the Republicans do things clever, cleverly or smartly. And, you know,

00:02:10 ◼   ► like I said, what I remember from the last decade is thinking that that Karl Rove,

00:02:14 ◼   ► I just remember thinking, man, I wish that guy were a Democrat.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:20 ◼   ► Because that guy was crafty.

00:02:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:24 ◼   ► I can respect it.

00:02:25 ◼   ► I can't say that I enjoy it.

00:02:27 ◼   ► Yeah, enjoying it is a little different.

00:02:29 ◼   ► I can appreciate it.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Maybe that's the better term.

00:02:33 ◼   ► And I would be depressed.

00:02:34 ◼   ► I would be very depressed, I think,

00:02:35 ◼   ► if I were a Republican this time around.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Because it doesn't seem to me like they've

00:02:39 ◼   ► got anybody like that.

00:02:42 ◼   ► They don't have a strategy or a cohesiveness.

00:02:45 ◼   ► They sort of remind me--

00:02:46 ◼   ► I thought their convention reminded me

00:02:48 ◼   ► of the first Democratic conventions that I can remember paying attention to, like the

00:02:55 ◼   ► Dukakis one in '88, where the reputation of the Democrats is that they're all sort of

00:03:00 ◼   ► all over the map and they don't really have a playbook for the whole party that everybody

00:03:04 ◼   ► sticks to it.

00:03:05 ◼   ► Everybody just gets up there and says whatever they want.

00:03:08 ◼   ► Right.

00:03:09 ◼   ► And the Democrats seem to have turned around where I think with the Kerry convention, they

00:03:15 ◼   ► were the ones that looked sort of hapless.

00:03:17 ◼   ► Now they seem to be really firing on all cylinders.

00:03:23 ◼   ► And just they have like a very simple message that everybody repeats.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Right.

00:03:28 ◼   ► That's what I wanted to say.

00:03:31 ◼   ► I can't wait to see it.

00:03:33 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Do you think – I am very curious to see if I get any angry email.

00:03:38 ◼   ► Oh, I'm sure you will.

00:03:40 ◼   ► I'm writing one right now.

00:03:42 ◼   ► What a week. It's been crazy, man. Everybody is releasing these phones but they're not

00:03:49 ◼   ► like releasing phones.

00:03:50 ◼   ► Yeah. I don't know if you saw Twitter this morning but I am also releasing a phone. Because

00:03:58 ◼   ► you got to – if you want to control your own future, your own destiny, you really have

00:04:04 ◼   ► to have your own phone, right? And I think it just makes sense for someone who is a freelance

00:04:10 ◼   ► writer to have their own phone.

00:04:12 ◼   ► Because I have a lot of content.

00:04:16 ◼   ► So anyway.

00:04:17 ◼   ► Do you have a name for it yet?

00:04:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:20 ◼   ► It's the Moltzphone Xtremo 3DX.

00:04:23 ◼   ► Oh, see, now I don't think that's a good name.

00:04:26 ◼   ► And it's all in capital letters.

00:04:31 ◼   ► So that's what makes a good name.

00:04:34 ◼   ► Do you spell – when you're right on your site and you have control over it and you

00:04:38 ◼   ► I don't have an editor. Do you spell the words like "razor" all caps like if they ask you to?

00:04:43 ◼   ► Like Motorola's style.

00:04:45 ◼   ► I try not to spell them at all.

00:04:47 ◼   ► But...

00:04:50 ◼   ► I would probably spell the razor part. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean I try to avoid it.

00:04:56 ◼   ► It just seems really douchey.

00:04:58 ◼   ► But uh...

00:05:00 ◼   ► It does seem like the razor brand. You know back when I had a razor flip phone.

00:05:07 ◼   ► Yeah, that seemed like it. I was like that was all capitalized for some reason. I don't capitalize. I don't capitalize. Yeah

00:05:12 ◼   ► There might be an exception somewhere, but if somebody asks for their word to be spelled all caps

00:05:17 ◼   ► I don't I don't do that. That's probably that's probably better. I mean unless it's an acronym

00:05:22 ◼   ► Exactly, if it is a legitimate actor dumb game. You're just playing a dumb game. They're playing right?

00:05:29 ◼   ► Like I think but it sometimes it's hard to figure out how to spell it

00:05:35 ◼   ► otherwise. And I'll give you a good example. Here's a good example. And I often I think if you looked

00:05:42 ◼   ► at the daring fireball archives, if you went through, I think it was probably one of the

00:05:45 ◼   ► hopefully rare places where I've been inconsistent is next. Yeah. And, and even worse, their operating

00:05:55 ◼   ► system next step, yeah, which they used to spell all caps, except the E was lowercase. And that's

00:06:02 ◼   ► And that's how they spelled the company name next, uppercase N, lowercase E, uppercase

00:06:08 ◼   ► X, uppercase T, which was sort of like a very '80s way of looking techy.

00:06:18 ◼   ► But it's against my style guide.

00:06:20 ◼   ► And I think that one of the reasons they do it is like a shameless attempt at getting

00:06:25 ◼   ► some extra – like if somebody is scanning a webpage or even going back further, remember

00:06:31 ◼   ► print?

00:06:32 ◼   ► It's a way of gaining attention, you know, that it makes this word pop out, you know,

00:06:38 ◼   ► that when you see razor, it's kind of pop out because the letters are all are all higher.

00:06:42 ◼   ► Likewise, I don't I don't I don't use the exclamation mark in Yahoo's name.

00:06:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:49 ◼   ► I should write that I have a long standing draft. I mean, like

00:06:55 ◼   ► Your your style guide?

00:06:56 ◼   ► sort of I wanted to write just about all these things you know yeah sort of about

00:07:02 ◼   ► my policies on punctuation and you know yeah my own personal style guide but

00:07:09 ◼   ► it's that the draft the title of the draft I don't even know if I said I'll

00:07:13 ◼   ► say it because it's been at least eight years so I'm probably never gonna do it

00:07:18 ◼   ► But the title is "Why I Won't Bang Yahoo!"

00:07:27 ◼   ► It also occurs to me, but anyway, I won't give them the exclamation mark.

00:07:35 ◼   ► Because you can't do that.

00:07:37 ◼   ► But then people holler at me.

00:07:39 ◼   ► People get mad.

00:07:40 ◼   ► I'm talking a little bit like my dad, because I spent some time at the shore

00:07:47 ◼   ► with my folks. My dad will use the verb "holler" to say that somebody's angry at you. But people

00:07:54 ◼   ► hollered at me about spelling Apple's products, not the way Apple spells them.

00:08:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:02 ◼   ► So like when I spell Mac Mini, I capitalize the M instead of all lower cases because it's

00:08:08 ◼   ► a name. It's somebody's name. If somebody like the writer, her name is Dana Boyd, she

00:08:17 ◼   ► stylistically, like on her own site and stuff, prefers to spell her entire name with lowercase

00:08:21 ◼   ► letters. But if I write about her, I'd capitalize her name like I would anybody else's.

00:08:24 ◼   ► Just to be consistent. To me, your name is a series of letters. You don't get to choose

00:08:31 ◼   ► which ones are capitalized. We capitalize them then according to a set of rules.

00:08:34 ◼   ► But then the iPhone is also a violation of that.

00:08:41 ◼   ► Right. And that's what people say I'm being a hypocrite because I always lowercase the I

00:08:46 ◼   ► in an eye product, no matter where it falls,

00:08:49 ◼   ► like the beginning of a sentence or in a headline

00:08:51 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:08:53 ◼   ► And one reason for that is that it just

00:08:55 ◼   ► looks stupid when it really looks awful

00:08:58 ◼   ► when you capitalize it.

00:09:00 ◼   ► And have you ever--

00:09:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:09:02 ◼   ► Sometimes in the New York Times, you see it,

00:09:04 ◼   ► it's capitalized at the beginning

00:09:05 ◼   ► of a sentence or something.

00:09:06 ◼   ► It just looks terrible.

00:09:07 ◼   ► It does.

00:09:08 ◼   ► And the other reason is that-- and I guess just

00:09:10 ◼   ► to explain my reluctance to do something so ugly,

00:09:14 ◼   ► I've justified it by saying by telling myself that it's a

00:09:18 ◼   ► Prefix sort of like

00:09:22 ◼   ► Like in a Scottish or Irish surname with the MC or an MAC

00:09:26 ◼   ► Where there's this it now there they started with the M but or like the somebody's name you put an apostrophe in there

00:09:34 ◼   ► right

00:09:37 ◼   ► It's like a--

00:09:37 ◼   ► --the apostrophe phone.

00:09:38 ◼   ► Or somebody's name has a D-E in it, you know, John DeMoltz.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And the D-E is lowercase.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Well, then that's OK.

00:09:45 ◼   ► It's like a prefix.

00:09:49 ◼   ► So I consider the I in those names to be like that.

00:09:51 ◼   ► And also, the lowercase I, it's not obnoxious.

00:09:54 ◼   ► It doesn't-- like, the exclamation mark in Yahoo to me

00:09:56 ◼   ► is obnoxious when I see it in the middle of a sentence.

00:09:58 ◼   ► It is.

00:10:00 ◼   ► The all uppercase razor is just obnoxious.

00:10:04 ◼   ► I mean, the phones that they announced yesterday, it's just ridiculous.

00:10:10 ◼   ► They're all uppercase.

00:10:12 ◼   ► Three phones.

00:10:13 ◼   ► I can't even remember the names off the top of my head right now, but they're all...

00:10:18 ◼   ► I can't either.

00:10:19 ◼   ► Yeah, which is another sign that it's not exactly working for them.

00:10:23 ◼   ► Motorola Razordroid Max?

00:10:26 ◼   ► Yeah, one of them's the Max, one of them's the M, and then the other one's like the Max

00:10:32 ◼   ► HD or something?

00:10:33 ◼   ► Oh no, no, no, it's the Droid HD. One's just the HD and one's the HD Max. And Max has

00:10:39 ◼   ► at least three Xs. But not uppercase.

00:10:45 ◼   ► No, they are uppercase.

00:10:48 ◼   ► Oh, even the Max?

00:10:49 ◼   ► Yeah, if you look at their website anyway, if you look at the product website,

00:10:53 ◼   ► they are actually uppercase.

00:10:54 ◼   ► Oh, now I gotta go. I gotta go.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:59 ◼   ► I think your pal, Paris Lemon, he had a post on Tumblr yesterday about that, I think.

00:11:10 ◼   ► I'll have to look at that.

00:11:12 ◼   ► Very hard to see.

00:11:14 ◼   ► Well, here's the site that I linked to yesterday at LaptopMag.

00:11:20 ◼   ► Now, they're spelling it--they're spelling Razer uppercase, but not Mac's uppercase.

00:11:26 ◼   ► But HD is uppercase, of course, because it's an acronym.

00:11:31 ◼   ► But I don't know, maybe you're right that Motorola spells it differently.

00:11:34 ◼   ► Yeah, because he had mentioned that, and I went to their product page, and it looks like

00:11:38 ◼   ► they are spelling it all uppercase.

00:11:43 ◼   ► Yeah, that's really going to help.

00:11:47 ◼   ► It's like they're yelling at you.

00:11:50 ◼   ► I wrote about this that I don't understand why they have the two versions of the HD,

00:11:57 ◼   ► the one the max and the non max because they're both big phones. And they both have big batteries.

00:12:03 ◼   ► It's not like hey, this one has a free if you know, for those of you who really burned

00:12:07 ◼   ► through batteries in a day, here's the one where we're going to just make it heavier

00:12:10 ◼   ► and put a big battery in for you. And here's the regular one. It seems it's not like here's

00:12:14 ◼   ► a regular battery is a big battery. It's here's a big thick battery. And here's one with a

00:12:18 ◼   ► the bigger, slightly thicker battery.

00:12:21 ◼   ► It just seems to me like they couldn't decide

00:12:23 ◼   ► and so they just shipped them both.

00:12:25 ◼   ► I don't understand why both of those phones exist,

00:12:29 ◼   ► whereas the M seems like it's obviously different.

00:12:32 ◼   ► It's smaller and it's cheaper.

00:12:34 ◼   ► So I can see why it exists.

00:12:36 ◼   ► There's a lot going on there I don't understand.

00:12:40 ◼   ► They didn't invent that.

00:12:42 ◼   ► And I mean the whole thing,

00:12:44 ◼   ► I don't understand why Google-- I kind of understand why they bought them, given where

00:12:52 ◼   ► they are now.

00:12:55 ◼   ► But I still don't understand.

00:12:56 ◼   ► I just don't understand Android.

00:12:57 ◼   ► No, I don't either.

00:12:59 ◼   ► I don't understand.

00:13:01 ◼   ► And the announcement, trying to follow along with the announcement yesterday, I mean, I

00:13:05 ◼   ► wasn't watching the video.

00:13:06 ◼   ► I was just watching live blog coverage and stuff.

00:13:09 ◼   ► I did.

00:13:10 ◼   ► I got confused at several points.

00:13:11 ◼   ► And I do – I was surprised – I guess I shouldn't be.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Maybe I should have taken Google at their word when they said that they were kind of

00:13:18 ◼   ► going to leave Motorola alone, that they weren't going to – I just couldn't believe it

00:13:22 ◼   ► because why would you spend billions of dollars to buy Motorola if you weren't going to

00:13:26 ◼   ► run them the way you want them to be run?

00:13:29 ◼   ► And yet that doesn't seem like what they're doing.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Like they're still putting like custom Motorola skins on the phones.

00:13:35 ◼   ► I mean they're saying – I saw a lot of the coverage of it says that it's toned

00:13:38 ◼   ► to down, that the skin is not as much on top of pure Android 4.0 as previous Motorola phones.

00:13:49 ◼   ► But it's still there.

00:13:51 ◼   ► And I don't understand because I thought Google has been pretty explicit that they kind of

00:13:55 ◼   ► want to discourage that, that they would like more phone makers to just ship Android with

00:14:01 ◼   ► a consistent, you know, everybody gets it.

00:14:04 ◼   ► And it also seems like they're shipping a slightly older version of Android.

00:14:07 ◼   ► They are. I think they did say that it would get the most up-to-date version, but it, you know, which was, of course, they have to say that, which is kind of odd.

00:14:16 ◼   ► But, yeah, they're not shipping the absolute latest version.

00:14:19 ◼   ► And here's the thing that drove me nuts yesterday, and I seriously, I wasted at least an hour, and with this combined with the Lumia ones, trying to find the prices of these things.

00:14:30 ◼   ► And me, like a dummy, thought, well, there must be somewhere.

00:14:34 ◼   ► And I just thought, well, maybe the coverage is-- there's so much news going on that none

00:14:40 ◼   ► of these sites-- maybe they just haven't noticed that they haven't reported yet.

00:14:43 ◼   ► So I was loading Gadget and then The Verge.

00:14:46 ◼   ► And I think I even went to Gizmodo at one point.

00:14:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:14:50 ◼   ► I blacked out.

00:14:52 ◼   ► And I'm like, I went to the Motorola site, and nobody has prices, right?

00:14:56 ◼   ► Am I wrong?

00:14:57 ◼   ► There's, I believe, how many phones were announced yesterday?

00:15:00 ◼   ► Five?

00:15:01 ◼   ► Because Motorola announced three, and there were two Lumias.

00:15:09 ◼   ► And there was only one price announced, as far as I know, and that was for the M, which

00:15:15 ◼   ► was $99.

00:15:16 ◼   ► Which was $99.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Yeah, and none of the other phones are shipping yet.

00:15:21 ◼   ► Right.

00:15:22 ◼   ► So four of the five phones announced yesterday, we have no ship dates yet and we have no prices.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Right.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Right.

00:15:31 ◼   ► And the other two phones now, we've got the Lumia 9200 and the Lumia 80 – no, not 920

00:15:40 ◼   ► and the Lumia 820.

00:15:42 ◼   ► 820.

00:15:43 ◼   ► And the 820 looks to me like a nicer size.

00:15:46 ◼   ► Like I really am not a fan of those bigger phones.

00:15:51 ◼   ► I've tried carrying some of those around, and I just don't care for them.

00:15:55 ◼   ► And the Lumia that I got to try last year, I think it's the 800, is exactly iPhone-shaped,

00:16:03 ◼   ► more or less.

00:16:05 ◼   ► It's really, really close.

00:16:06 ◼   ► And I found it to be delightful to put in my pocket and to carry.

00:16:14 ◼   ► Those are fairly good-looking phones.

00:16:15 ◼   ► I'm not a big fan of the bright colors, but I think they're--

00:16:18 ◼   ► But you can get black.

00:16:19 ◼   ► Yeah, but you can't get black, right?

00:16:21 ◼   ► Right. But it just seems like spec wise that the Lumia, the new 820 is really like low end,

00:16:28 ◼   ► like it's it's old tech, it's really like a low res screen. Like the 800 by 400, or, you know,

00:16:35 ◼   ► add a few pixels, whatever it is to make it 16 by nine, but it's like an 800 by 400 pixel screen.

00:16:41 ◼   ► Whereas the 920 as like, what, like a 1200 1280 by 768 screen. Like it's,

00:16:50 ◼   ► It's actually got more pixels per inch than the iPhone 4S.

00:16:54 ◼   ► Like by like two or three.

00:16:56 ◼   ► It's like 326 pixels per inch for the Apple's retina display.

00:16:59 ◼   ► And it's like 330 or 333 or something like that on this new Lumia.

00:17:04 ◼   ► Which sounds, that sounds great. I can't wait to see it.

00:17:06 ◼   ► Are you on a rocking horse?

00:17:08 ◼   ► I am.

00:17:10 ◼   ► There's some, there's some, do you have a boom mic?

00:17:14 ◼   ► I do. I'm going to try to sit still.

00:17:16 ◼   ► Yes. I think I hear.

00:17:18 ◼   ► Sorry, John.

00:17:19 ◼   ► I'm very nervous. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I understand. It's okay still is in lots of coffee. I'm sure

00:17:24 ◼   ► Hmm. I just took a sip. Yeah

00:17:28 ◼   ► But anyway, so they announced a phone where the software is not available yet

00:17:34 ◼   ► And it doesn't even have a firm ship date other than quote unquote fall

00:17:38 ◼   ► You know, so I guess sometime before December

00:17:42 ◼   ► And

00:17:46 ◼   ► No prices. I don't even think they said what carriers in the US are gonna carry it and I know it's a worldwide announcement

00:17:54 ◼   ► That they're gonna sell this thing all over the world in that I shouldn't be totally u.s

00:17:57 ◼   ► Centric and that Nokia does a lot better in Europe than they do in North America blah blah blah

00:18:01 ◼   ► But it's you know, tell me I mean it just seems frustrating to me. It's like I

00:18:04 ◼   ► Here's to me every product announcements. Here's what it is. Here's why you should care about it

00:18:10 ◼   ► Here's where to get it and here's what it costs and and now they're making these product announcements without

00:18:16 ◼   ► without where to get it and what it costs.

00:18:18 ◼   ► And we now have two in a row from Microsoft.

00:18:21 ◼   ► Right.

00:18:22 ◼   ► Right.

00:18:23 ◼   ► And I guess this one will be nearer term than the Surface tablets were.

00:18:27 ◼   ► I mean, a matter of weeks rather than half a year.

00:18:32 ◼   ► But it does seem weird.

00:18:33 ◼   ► And it just seems to me like a way.

00:18:35 ◼   ► I mean, where I'm leading with this whole thing is that it just seems very clear to

00:18:39 ◼   ► me that these companies have jumped the gun this week because they want to announce these

00:18:46 ◼   ► things before Apple announces the next iPhone next week.

00:18:51 ◼   ► And I don't understand why.

00:18:53 ◼   ► I don't –

00:18:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:55 ◼   ► I don't – I mean, I guess the theory is that you're – you put that placeholder

00:19:01 ◼   ► in people's minds so they don't run out and buy the iPhone.

00:19:04 ◼   ► But is that – is it really going to stop – I mean, how many people is it going to

00:19:07 ◼   ► stop from buying an iPhone?

00:19:08 ◼   ► You know, that's a very interesting way to put it, and that didn't occur to me.

00:19:14 ◼   ► That might be it, and I think it might be fueled a little bit by hubris where it –

00:19:20 ◼   ► Dan Bausch You think that people are going to stop from

00:19:23 ◼   ► lining up to buy an iPhone because you announced this thing that doesn't have any price or

00:19:27 ◼   ► ship date.

00:19:28 ◼   ► Michael Green Right, that they're so convinced in the

00:19:31 ◼   ► appeal of what they're announcing that they think that there might be a sizable number

00:19:36 ◼   ► of people who will think that way.

00:19:39 ◼   ► See, where I think it's crazy is, to me,

00:19:43 ◼   ► the whole point of doing a product announcement that

00:19:46 ◼   ► gets as much press attention as you can garner

00:19:50 ◼   ► is to drive people to action and say, look,

00:19:53 ◼   ► we want you to be excited about this,

00:19:55 ◼   ► and we want you to go order it right now.

00:19:57 ◼   ► Go buy one.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Right.

00:19:59 ◼   ► Go get in line.

00:20:02 ◼   ► Whereas I just feel like it's a very complicated message,

00:20:05 ◼   ► And I don't think it's the way consumers act is to say, here's this thing we're going to

00:20:09 ◼   ► have in a couple of weeks.

00:20:11 ◼   ► Remember it.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Stay excited about it and go get in line six weeks from now.

00:20:20 ◼   ► By contrast, today, as we speak, Amazon has announced a bunch of Kindle Fire Kindle readers.

00:20:32 ◼   ► What have they still is it literally as we're talking?

00:20:35 ◼   ► literally as we're talking yes it's going on right so do the news John Molt

00:20:38 ◼   ► they have announced a what's a kindle paper as people were joking that's the

00:20:46 ◼   ► Kindle paperweight but that's not the name of it it's uh it's basically it's a

00:20:50 ◼   ► backlit you know regular Kindle just like the basically just the e-reader

00:20:59 ◼   ► E Ink. E Ink with but backlit paper light I guess probably paper light and

00:21:07 ◼   ► like a hundred and starts at a hundred and twenty dollars something like that and then

00:21:12 ◼   ► also two new Kindle fires and one is a one is a nine inch HD so far that is

00:21:22 ◼   ► what I see so far and the big room up in the air yeah a big rumor is that they'll

00:21:29 ◼   ► be announcing a phone. Right. Well, we'll stay tuned. And we will stay tuned. Yeah.

00:21:36 ◼   ► What is their 8.9 inch? But they're, you know, they're announcing, they're announcing prices

00:21:42 ◼   ► and dates. Right. Well, and that's because, you know, and that's why Amazon is, in my

00:21:47 ◼   ► opinion, Apple's strongest competitor. Yeah, it's almost it's like they're in a position

00:21:52 ◼   ► of strength like Apple, whereas Microsoft and Motorola are not.

00:21:57 ◼   ► Right.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Well, this sounds like a good tablet.

00:22:00 ◼   ► 8.9 inches, 920 by 1200 display.

00:22:04 ◼   ► That's 254 pixels per inch.

00:22:06 ◼   ► So that's like right there in line with the retina iPad.

00:22:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:13 ◼   ► Right.

00:22:14 ◼   ► You know, I think it's-- I don't know.

00:22:16 ◼   ► It's sick that I even know this.

00:22:17 ◼   ► But I think the retina iPad is 263 pixels per inch.

00:22:21 ◼   ► And I would completely concede that nine pixels per inches is you could that's a rounding error

00:22:27 ◼   ► So that sounds good

00:22:29 ◼   ► the base Kindle fire

00:22:31 ◼   ► $159 with 7 inch tablets and what does the 8.9 inch cost?

00:22:36 ◼   ► Scrolling scrolling scrolling

00:22:41 ◼   ► I don't see it yet, but I don't see it

00:22:46 ◼   ► Well, that's how you do it. That's right. Here. We are here. We are live news Amazon helping out the talk show during the recording

00:22:53 ◼   ► Yeah

00:22:55 ◼   ► by just

00:22:57 ◼   ► Doing exactly what I said, here's what it is. Here's why you'd be interested in it. Here's where to get it

00:23:05 ◼   ► And consequently I get more excited by their announcements

00:23:09 ◼   ► Exactly. I mean even when they're just coming up I

00:23:14 ◼   ► last year when the the Kindle was was announced that that is probably the most excited I've been for another product announcement outside of Apple

00:23:21 ◼   ► ever

00:23:23 ◼   ► and I'm also intrigued by the the

00:23:26 ◼   ► the vectors of

00:23:29 ◼   ► Competition in other words who's more in competition with each other?

00:23:34 ◼   ► I mean ultimately they're all in competition. Like let's just say for the tablet market and you have a

00:23:40 ◼   ► 10-year-old kid who really wants a tablet for Christmas.

00:23:43 ◼   ► Well, you're only going to buy them one.

00:23:44 ◼   ► So in a sense, they're all competing with each other

00:23:47 ◼   ► to have an array of devices that you're going to choose from

00:23:51 ◼   ► and spend $200 or $300 or $400 on a gift for your eight-year-old

00:23:56 ◼   ► daughter.

00:23:57 ◼   ► But they're not really competing with each other equally.

00:24:05 ◼   ► I think Amazon is far more focused against Google

00:24:09 ◼   ► with this type of the tablets. Yeah. Oh, here. And you know what, here's an email I just got from a

00:24:14 ◼   ► reader. Here's a line from Jeff Bezos at the event for a high def device. Eight gigabytes is dead on

00:24:21 ◼   ► arrival. That's clearly about the the Google Nexus seven. Yeah, which only has eight gigabytes of

00:24:29 ◼   ► storage, which does seem very well, except I think he's there. He's talking about the nine inch.

00:24:34 ◼   ► So I think he's talking about the larger--

00:24:37 ◼   ► because the HD one is the larger form factor.

00:24:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:41 ◼   ► Well, I don't know.

00:24:42 ◼   ► And I don't think anybody sells--

00:24:43 ◼   ► I mean, Google doesn't sell a 9, 10 inch tablet.

00:24:48 ◼   ► Yeah, but the tablet they do sell only has 8 gigabytes.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:51 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:51 ◼   ► But I'm not sure.

00:24:52 ◼   ► I think that maybe the base Kindle still

00:24:54 ◼   ► has 8 gigabytes.

00:24:56 ◼   ► Do you fill up your iPad?

00:24:59 ◼   ► Not anymore, because I got a 32.

00:25:01 ◼   ► I mean, I used to have a 16, and I filled that up right early.

00:25:03 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:25:03 ◼   ► The 16 was a real struggle because I think I got the first one was only 16 because I

00:25:11 ◼   ► just thought you don't – I really bought into the idea that I would only just sink

00:25:15 ◼   ► – if I needed a movie, I'd put the movie on and then when I was done, I would take

00:25:18 ◼   ► it off and then it's –

00:25:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:21 ◼   ► You have to be – you have to get pretty adept at managing that.

00:25:23 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:24 ◼   ► And the thing that I have found too is if you're going to go on a trip and you want

00:25:28 ◼   ► some movies on your iPad, you got to put them all on before you leave the house because

00:25:31 ◼   ► you don't want to do it at-- you're not going to get it on the airport Wi-Fi.

00:25:36 ◼   ► You're definitely not-- they don't even allow you to do it over 3G if you have the 3G model.

00:25:41 ◼   ► And even if you did, one movie would use up the whole data allotment.

00:25:45 ◼   ► You don't even want to try it at a hotel with their Wi-Fi.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:25:51 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:52 ◼   ► It's just going to-- your iPad's just going to shut down and tell you, stop, stop, stop.

00:25:56 ◼   ► And your kid's sitting there screaming for Clone Wars.

00:25:59 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:26:00 ◼   ► You've got to load them up.

00:26:01 ◼   ► You want to load up a couple movies, you really – all of a sudden, 32 is what you need.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:08 ◼   ► So that's where I went the last time.

00:26:12 ◼   ► I don't do that with the iPhone.

00:26:14 ◼   ► I still go 16 with the iPhone because I just don't – because I have the iPad.

00:26:19 ◼   ► I don't watch anything on the iPhone anymore really.

00:26:23 ◼   ► See, I go – I max out my iPhone because I'm an idiot.

00:26:26 ◼   ► 64?

00:26:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I do.

00:26:28 ◼   ► I just buy the biggest one.

00:26:30 ◼   ► Because I'm a total idiot. I really am. What was my tweet from a couple years

00:26:35 ◼   ► ago? It's my all-time most-favorited tweet. I think it was something along the

00:26:39 ◼   ► lines of, "I don't drink, I don't gamble, my only vice is buying a new

00:26:47 ◼   ► iPhone every year. That and lying about drinking and gambling." No, I do. And

00:26:54 ◼   ► you know why it is? I put all my music on it, the whole

00:26:59 ◼   ► library. I synced the whole library and I need the 64 for that because otherwise, like twice,

00:27:06 ◼   ► like two times, I've been on an airplane and the only thing I have to listen to music is my iPhone

00:27:11 ◼   ► and I've been in the mood for something particular and it wasn't in the subset of my library that I

00:27:16 ◼   ► synced. And then I thought, well, the next time I buy a phone, I'm getting the big one, so I

00:27:22 ◼   ► net that'll never happen to me again. 128. Yeah.

00:27:28 ◼   ► Did you ever have a huge iPod?

00:27:31 ◼   ► I forget how big they got. They got absolutely enormous.

00:27:36 ◼   ► I did not. I got off the hard drive ones pretty early. It was before they went metallic. It was

00:27:43 ◼   ► still like white plastic. But I forget how big my biggest iPod was. But the hard drives quickly got

00:27:51 ◼   ► to a size where it was ridiculous. It was even just-

00:27:54 ◼   ► They really did.

00:27:55 ◼   ► yeah, buying a hard drive based iPod got you one that to me as a person who has, enjoys some music,

00:28:01 ◼   ► but is not like a huge, huge music guy like I've my library, I don't know. But it fits on a 64

00:28:06 ◼   ► gigabyte iPhone. It gets like in the 360 160 gigs. That's what that's all that's crazy. I think they

00:28:12 ◼   ► had one bigger than that, though. Didn't I thought that I thought they did too. I thought that they

00:28:16 ◼   ► think they got rid of the super huge model. Right. And now they just have the huge model.

00:28:22 ◼   ► But that's, you know, I still do, I do understand though that that's useful.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:27 ◼   ► And DJs, right, DJs and people who are just serious about music.

00:28:34 ◼   ► And I'm not that, I mean, I never have that problem.

00:28:37 ◼   ► It used to be, I remember one time, like a close friend was getting married, and because

00:28:44 ◼   ► it was, they were close, it's like somehow I forget why, maybe I was in the wedding party

00:28:47 ◼   ► or something. We had to go to the reception real early. And I got to see the DJ setting up. And

00:28:53 ◼   ► it's just like 20 minutes of going back and forth to his van to get milk crates full of CDs and

00:29:01 ◼   ► albums out of the van. And that's all, you know, that's all over now. Right. I remember like in

00:29:09 ◼   ► high school, like in high school dances, like the DJ would have, you know, just piles and piles,

00:29:14 ◼   ► you know, all like a library of CDs behind them. Yeah. Now you don't need that. You just have an

00:29:18 ◼   ► iPod. I'm looking, I'm looking back. Actually, I think 160 might be the largest it ever got.

00:29:25 ◼   ► Well, I could be wrong. I can tell you exactly how many pixels fringe are on an iPad.

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00:33:48 ◼   ► It starts getting rolling.

00:33:53 ◼   ► It's, you know, security comes over and gives me the spiel about not being allowed to take

00:33:57 ◼   ► your pants off here.

00:34:02 ◼   ► You're like you're like Bruce Wayne in the in the pool with a with a with a with some

00:34:07 ◼   ► with some some models.

00:34:10 ◼   ► The Kindle Fire HD.

00:34:12 ◼   ► This is the nine inch one will be available for $299.

00:34:17 ◼   ► $299 Wow. aggressive. Yeah, aggressive. setting the bar. Right. That's $100 less than I had

00:34:26 ◼   ► to. Yeah. Is it? I'm correct. Right? 390 399 for the iPad two, which is not a high res

00:34:33 ◼   ► screen. Right. I think I could be wrong. I have this hunch that when Apple unveils the

00:34:42 ◼   ► iPad mini that they're going to get rid of the iPad 2?

00:34:45 ◼   ► Oh, really?

00:34:47 ◼   ► I don't know, though.

00:34:48 ◼   ► I might be wrong, though, because maybe that's how they still fill in that.

00:34:52 ◼   ► Maybe it would still leave like a big price gap.

00:34:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it would.

00:34:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:57 ◼   ► I mean, we talked about this before.

00:34:58 ◼   ► We were, what, 250?

00:35:02 ◼   ► But now –

00:35:03 ◼   ► That's what I'm thinking.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Oh, 250.

00:35:05 ◼   ► But maybe they have to go – they might have to go 199 because what's the price on the

00:35:08 ◼   ► 7-inch Kindle?

00:35:11 ◼   ► Now it's less, so it's 160, I think.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Wow.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:17 ◼   ► Yeah, 169.

00:35:18 ◼   ► Yeah, 159.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Aggressive.

00:35:20 ◼   ► Amazon's kind of crazy.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Amazon's the guy at the poker table.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Oh, so now they've got three models.

00:35:28 ◼   ► They have the old Kindle Fire, which is actually an upgraded old Kindle Fire for $159, seven-inch

00:35:36 ◼   ► HD for $199 and then 8.9 inch HD for $299.

00:35:47 ◼   ► Ships November 20th at the top of the line there.

00:35:52 ◼   ► That's pretty late.

00:35:53 ◼   ► That shows you that they're pushing it.

00:35:54 ◼   ► I mean at least they have a date.

00:35:56 ◼   ► They have a date, right, and a price.

00:35:58 ◼   ► And a price.

00:36:01 ◼   ► Amazon's pricing.

00:36:02 ◼   ► willingness to sell stuff seemingly at cost or near cost.

00:36:08 ◼   ► That makes them like the crazy guy at the poker table.

00:36:10 ◼   ► Like the guy, like you're playing poker and there's Jeff Bezos and he just doesn't even

00:36:14 ◼   ► look at his cards.

00:36:15 ◼   ► You deal them out and he just leaves them on the table and he just says, "I bet $100."

00:36:20 ◼   ► And now you don't even know.

00:36:22 ◼   ► The guy's nuts.

00:36:23 ◼   ► You have no idea.

00:36:25 ◼   ► He's – I mean it's really aggressive.

00:36:28 ◼   ► I guess it works for them.

00:36:29 ◼   ► I mean, I they have a lot of content, right? So anything they sell it at costs, they anything

00:36:40 ◼   ► they get up above that is gravy.

00:36:42 ◼   ► Right. And they, you know, I just I know, you know, I they've just announced this stuff. So we can't say, you know, nobody, nobody's reviewed these these products yet. But I expect them to be pretty good. Simply because of the history where the original Kindle e ink tablet, or

00:36:59 ◼   ► E! Inc. reader. The first one was terrible. It was a complete turd. One year later, they

00:37:06 ◼   ► had a pretty good one. That's just how they roll is that they're going to ship one a year

00:37:11 ◼   ► too early just to hit the market and test the waters. They're going to fix all of the

00:37:18 ◼   ► egregious problems within that first year. That's what I expect.

00:37:27 ◼   ► They will never ever announce sales.

00:37:29 ◼   ► You didn't buy a fire, did you?

00:37:31 ◼   ► No, I didn't.

00:37:32 ◼   ► I completely resisted.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I wanted to and then by the time they shipped, I cooled off.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:41 ◼   ► It didn't seem as good as what I wanted it to be.

00:37:44 ◼   ► Like I said, I was excited for the announcement and then somewhat let down after reading the

00:37:49 ◼   ► reviews and hopefully these will be better.

00:37:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:53 ◼   ► I really do expect them to.

00:37:54 ◼   ► I really do think that it's more competitive, more directly competitive with the Google

00:38:01 ◼   ► Nexus than with the iPad.

00:38:05 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:38:08 ◼   ► But I feel like…

00:38:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I think these bigger ones now though, they're 4G.

00:38:13 ◼   ► I don't know what more expensive one is coming with 4G.

00:38:18 ◼   ► 32 gigs of space, $499.

00:38:24 ◼   ► I wonder how the E Ink ones are still selling.

00:38:27 ◼   ► I suspect--

00:38:28 ◼   ► I used to see it when I used to commute.

00:38:30 ◼   ► I saw a ton of those things on the train.

00:38:33 ◼   ► I really think, though--

00:38:34 ◼   ► I think with those E Ink ones-- and I could be wrong.

00:38:37 ◼   ► But I do think--

00:38:38 ◼   ► because I have one.

00:38:41 ◼   ► And I didn't even buy it for myself.

00:38:44 ◼   ► Our good friend Marco Arment bought it for me as a gift.

00:38:47 ◼   ► And it's the two-year-old one.

00:38:49 ◼   ► It's the Kindle--

00:38:51 ◼   ► I forget what model year it is.

00:38:53 ◼   ► but it's dark gray and it has a physical keyboard.

00:38:57 ◼   ► And I do enjoy it.

00:38:58 ◼   ► And I used it more than I thought for a while

00:39:01 ◼   ► until I really kind of got used to reading books on the iPad.

00:39:07 ◼   ► But I do think, though, that once you have one,

00:39:10 ◼   ► you don't really need a new one two years later just

00:39:13 ◼   ► because it's a little better.

00:39:15 ◼   ► I don't think it's as much like phones and tablets,

00:39:17 ◼   ► because you don't do as many other things.

00:39:21 ◼   ► I think a backlit one might change that to a certain degree.

00:39:25 ◼   ► Yeah, a backlit one might.

00:39:26 ◼   ► That might be a...

00:39:27 ◼   ► Yeah, but if it's just the regular one, no.

00:39:30 ◼   ► You don't.

00:39:31 ◼   ► Because I do see, when I see people on airplanes reading with an E Ink tablet, there are a

00:39:36 ◼   ► lot of them.

00:39:37 ◼   ► I see a lot of older Kindles.

00:39:38 ◼   ► I just don't know that people replace them as frequently.

00:39:46 ◼   ► What they drop the price to?

00:39:47 ◼   ► Now the price is down to $69 for an E Ink tablet.

00:39:50 ◼   ► I know there's some speculation that they were going to make it free.

00:39:54 ◼   ► That's the one with ads though, right?

00:39:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so.

00:39:59 ◼   ► I think that's the one with ads.

00:40:00 ◼   ► Yeah, the lowest priced one comes with ads.

00:40:02 ◼   ► Right.

00:40:04 ◼   ► That I would not buy.

00:40:05 ◼   ► So does the 7-inch tablet, does the 7-inch Kindle have any 3G connectivity or just the

00:40:10 ◼   ► 9-inch one?

00:40:11 ◼   ► No.

00:40:12 ◼   ► I think just the 9-inch one.

00:40:15 ◼   ► I think that's where Apple really, depending on the pricing, I think that's where they're

00:40:19 ◼   ► really going to steal the show on the iPad mini because I'm convinced that they're going

00:40:24 ◼   ► to sell it with the same either get cheap, you know, Wi Fi only is cheaper and for 100

00:40:31 ◼   ► extra bucks, you can get one with 4g. And then you know, the Nexus doesn't have it and

00:40:38 ◼   ► the Amazon one doesn't have it. Yeah.

00:40:42 ◼   ► So you're you flying out? I am flying out. I was just about to segue to that you're so

00:40:47 ◼   ► So astute, John.

00:40:48 ◼   ► I am funny.

00:40:49 ◼   ► I really am.

00:40:51 ◼   ► For the Big Apple event.

00:40:53 ◼   ► You will not be there, I'm guessing.

00:40:57 ◼   ► I still have not gotten my invitation.

00:40:58 ◼   ► You know what?

00:41:00 ◼   ► That's going to happen now.

00:41:01 ◼   ► It should happen.

00:41:02 ◼   ► You should get invited to stuff like that.

00:41:07 ◼   ► Well, that would be fun.

00:41:10 ◼   ► A lot of speculation, surprisingly.

00:41:14 ◼   ► people don't speculate in advance of Apple announcements?

00:41:17 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:41:23 ◼   ► Took me a minute.

00:41:25 ◼   ► Did you see-- have you seen the-- and next week's thing

00:41:30 ◼   ► seems pretty clear.

00:41:31 ◼   ► The invitation kind of hints with the shadow

00:41:34 ◼   ► that looks like a five.

00:41:35 ◼   ► The invitation seems to make it pretty clear that it's

00:41:40 ◼   ► going to be about the iPhone 5.

00:41:42 ◼   ► And I have heard from my famous little birdies

00:41:45 ◼   ► that I have heard that the event will only be about the iPhone.

00:41:50 ◼   ► And I think corresponding with that, iOS 6, which I'm guessing

00:41:54 ◼   ► will have some sort of feature that they hadn't announced previously.

00:41:58 ◼   ► And I'm guessing some apps, that they always

00:42:00 ◼   ► have new apps from Apple to show off the phone.

00:42:06 ◼   ► Maybe some new Siri features and stuff like that.

00:42:10 ◼   ► But that's what I've heard, is that the event

00:42:12 ◼   ► will be about one device, the iPhone 5, and the software that runs on it.

00:42:19 ◼   ► But just in terms of that sort of speculation and hype that people generate in advance of

00:42:27 ◼   ► these things, you see MacRumors paid a guy to do like a 3D render of what the iPad mini

00:42:33 ◼   ► could look like.

00:42:34 ◼   ► Oh, I just saw that quickly.

00:42:39 ◼   ► It's really well done and it's like done in WebGL, which I don't recall ever having used

00:42:46 ◼   ► before.

00:42:47 ◼   ► You have to go in the develop menu in Safari and turn it on.

00:42:49 ◼   ► But then it's like the old QuickTime GL where you can click and drag and rotate it in 3D

00:42:55 ◼   ► wherever you want, but it's a 3D render.

00:42:59 ◼   ► Really well done.

00:43:00 ◼   ► I mean, and it looks totally credible.

00:43:02 ◼   ► It looks like it could be an Apple device.

00:43:05 ◼   ► But I just can't fathom commissioning a guy to build a 3D render of what a product could

00:43:10 ◼   ► look like.

00:43:12 ◼   ► And I also saw that there are people like casemakers at that – there was a big conference

00:43:17 ◼   ► in Berlin last week, the IFA something conference, and that there were casemakers who based on

00:43:23 ◼   ► like leaked images and rumors of the iPhone 5 had built mock iPhone 5s so that they could

00:43:31 ◼   ► show their cases for it.

00:43:33 ◼   ► well there's there's even a there's like a full Android knockoff iPhone 5 this is

00:43:42 ◼   ► so great I got to look that up oh it's because they're gonna sue Apple that's

00:43:47 ◼   ► what they've said yeah and they're prior art right it's it all right I gotta

00:43:54 ◼   ► Google this. See if this will get it for me. I Googled for Chinese Android iPhone 5 suing

00:44:07 ◼   ► Apple. Here we go. That should get it. At Yahoo.com. Chinese company used leaked iPhone

00:44:13 ◼   ► specs to build knockoff hopes to sue Apple for patent infringement. Well, you got to

00:44:20 ◼   ► get in on that right? And well, they have a good argument. Their argument is that they

00:44:27 ◼   ► are shipping first. And so regardless that they based the admittedly based the entire

00:44:32 ◼   ► thing on leaked hearts from the iPhone five, that they're shipping the product first and

00:44:39 ◼   ► so they're going to sue Apple. It's called the goo phone I five. And it runs a custom

00:44:48 ◼   ► version of the Android operating system that mimics the look of Apple's iOS?

00:44:51 ◼   ► >> The Goofone i5? >> Yeah.

00:44:55 ◼   ► >> Is that what you said? It gets sued by Intel. >> I don't know. I'm not so sure that they're

00:45:02 ◼   ► that concerned about intellectual property. >> It's the circle of life. Apparently not.

00:45:06 ◼   ► >> Do you think, I mean, are they just that out of touch or do they know that by claiming to

00:45:13 ◼   ► sue Apple that it's like a public they know that that's just going to get even more publicity.

00:45:18 ◼   ► I have to think that they that's the latter right yeah they kind of know that they're they're just

00:45:24 ◼   ► getting publicity yeah but hats off to them that's off to them for having brass balls.

00:45:29 ◼   ► I wonder how that works out at the end though I mean that just doesn't seem like that pays off but

00:45:37 ◼   ► right you would just you would just get completely screwed at the end of the day having done that

00:45:43 ◼   ► Right. And it is, it's a slightly, well, not even slightly. It's actually a very different thing than

00:45:52 ◼   ► what Samsung did and arguably still does. Yeah.

00:45:56 ◼   ► Where what they've done is it's truly a knockoff. I mean, it is.

00:46:00 ◼   ► Yes. It really looks identical.

00:46:00 ◼   ► It's identical.

00:46:01 ◼   ► It's the only thing that's short is they don't actually put an Apple logo on the back.

00:46:06 ◼   ► Yeah. At that point, you might as well.

00:46:10 ◼   ► Right, you might as well because that's what like the handbag fakes do. And like when you buy a fake

00:46:15 ◼   ► Rolex, you know, for 20 bucks on the street corner, it says Rolex it, you know, it doesn't say like

00:46:21 ◼   ► relax or something like that. It says Rolex. I mean, it's, you know, it's like a complete fake.

00:46:26 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure why they don't why they don't do the go the whole way. I guess because they're

00:46:33 ◼   ► an actual company with a brand that could be sued, whereas knockoff handbags and watches

00:46:40 ◼   ► are all sort of underground. You know that there is no...

00:46:43 ◼   ► Yeah. There's no... Nobody knows actually who made that because they're being sold by...

00:46:48 ◼   ► Right.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:49 ◼   ► It's completely on the black market or the gray market or whatever you want to call it.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Yeah. This is great. This is probably my favorite story of the week. It really is.

00:47:00 ◼   ► Can you buy I mean, can you buy I should buy one I

00:47:03 ◼   ► Wonder you get many. Can you get one?

00:47:06 ◼   ► Probably not Hong Kong based or online design their cheapo Android phone after the alleged Apple iPhone five parts leaked

00:47:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's only available in Hong Kong, but maybe do we have listeners in Hong Kong?

00:47:19 ◼   ► So if I if anybody out there is listening to the show and you live in Hong Kong and you can buy one of these

00:47:25 ◼   ► get in touch with me email me go to during fireball and hit the contact form and

00:47:30 ◼   ► Let's figure out what the price is and if it's reasonable, maybe I'll try to get

00:47:36 ◼   ► one of these.

00:47:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:38 ◼   ► I'd love to see your review.

00:47:42 ◼   ► I should.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I should get it and review the hell out of it.

00:47:46 ◼   ► I'm worried though that I'd get lost that after the home screen that the whole thing

00:47:49 ◼   ► would be in Chinese.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:47:51 ◼   ► I'll tell you this.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Here's one thing.

00:47:55 ◼   ► I've gotten a lot of questions about this and I thought maybe the talk show would be

00:47:59 ◼   ► a good place to write about it is that I've already seen on Twitter people wondering whether

00:48:04 ◼   ► I have already gotten an iPhone 5 for reviewing. And others, you know, that, you know, I can't

00:48:11 ◼   ► speak for for anybody else. I don't know, it's all, you know, a little secret. And,

00:48:15 ◼   ► you know, who knows whether, but my understanding, and at least in my personal experience in

00:48:21 ◼   ► the two years since since Apple has started giving me products to review ahead of their

00:48:26 ◼   ► release. In my experience, they never ever even tell you that the thing exists until

00:48:34 ◼   ► the event. The event is when they-- that's the first time I am completely sure that the

00:48:40 ◼   ► thing even exists. And then after the event, they schedule a time where you come in and

00:48:48 ◼   ► then--

00:48:49 ◼   ► device yeah but not only so not only have I never gotten a product before it

00:48:55 ◼   ► was announced at an event I've never even heard about it beforehand didn't you

00:49:05 ◼   ► didn't get clued into mountain lion yeah mountain lions were because it wasn't a

00:49:10 ◼   ► hardware product yeah so they did they said would you like to have this

00:49:14 ◼   ► briefing you know we're gonna be in New York for a couple of days talking to the

00:49:18 ◼   ► press. If you'd like, you know, you can schedule a time and, and come up. And when they did, they,

00:49:24 ◼   ► you know, they, they gave me the mountain lion release on a loner MacBook Air. And that was

00:49:32 ◼   ► before they announced it that the idea, you know, but that's because they didn't have an event,

00:49:36 ◼   ► right? That that briefing was the substitution of holding an event. And I, if they had had an

00:49:45 ◼   ► event, I'm sure they would not have given it to me before the event. But and that's the thing is

00:49:52 ◼   ► that on this week's show today, September 6, I can say no, I do not have an iPhone five. I do not

00:50:00 ◼   ► even know I do not know with any certainty that there is such a thing as an iPhone five. I don't

00:50:04 ◼   ► know. For someone, if someone could overnight you one from Hong Kong, though, right? Definitely.

00:50:10 ◼   ► then you'd have one before whereas by next week's show uh which i intend to record after the event

00:50:17 ◼   ► you'll have uh there is a chance i i it would be nice i would i would be flattered it would be

00:50:23 ◼   ► great if there is a chance that i will have one uh but if i do i'll have signed an nda

00:50:30 ◼   ► you can't tell where they handed it to me where i won't be able to say

00:50:38 ◼   ► But I could say right now that I don't.

00:50:40 ◼   ► But once you have the NDA, you can't even lie.

00:50:42 ◼   ► I'm not going to lie.

00:50:43 ◼   ► I can't say I don't have it.

00:50:44 ◼   ► But I also can't say that I do have it.

00:50:46 ◼   ► You just can't talk about it.

00:50:47 ◼   ► Right.

00:50:48 ◼   ► That's how it works.

00:50:52 ◼   ► And I don't believe that they seed anybody.

00:50:54 ◼   ► I don't think that even Mossberg or Pogue or anybody gets them in advance.

00:50:57 ◼   ► I think everybody gets the same nine days.

00:51:02 ◼   ► So no phone from Amazon.

00:51:05 ◼   ► No, no phone.

00:51:05 ◼   ► I'm not surprised by that.

00:51:06 ◼   ► Event is over.

00:51:08 ◼   ► Right. And no phone. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm convinced. I am, you know, I don't have any,

00:51:13 ◼   ► you know, inside knowledge. But, well, I've heard things, I have heard some things that they're

00:51:18 ◼   ► working on a phone. But, you know, my sources at Amazon are nowhere near as good as like an Apple,

00:51:24 ◼   ► but just strategically, I'm, you know, it just seems like a no brainer. With the route they're

00:51:29 ◼   ► going, there's seems like a no brainer to tell to eventually do that. But I just think that it's

00:51:36 ◼   ► It's probably one of those things where they're not far enough along yet.

00:51:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:40 ◼   ► Which is this is and this is where Microsoft would completely announce the phone.

00:51:46 ◼   ► Yes, exactly.

00:51:47 ◼   ► And it would they would even say that, look, we're hoping to ship in mid 20 sometime next

00:51:52 ◼   ► year.

00:51:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:54 ◼   ► Big event.

00:51:55 ◼   ► Did you so you didn't watch you didn't watch the Motorola event yesterday?

00:52:03 ◼   ► I did not know.

00:52:04 ◼   ► Was it painful?

00:52:05 ◼   ► I was thinking about it.

00:52:06 ◼   ► It was a little-- well, the first--

00:52:09 ◼   ► and I guess some of this was just--

00:52:12 ◼   ► I don't even know who the band was, but there was some band

00:52:14 ◼   ► that they had.

00:52:15 ◼   ► And the video that they had online,

00:52:18 ◼   ► I mean, the first at least 15 minutes, if not 20 minutes,

00:52:22 ◼   ► was this band playing.

00:52:23 ◼   ► It was an hour-long video, and the first 20 minutes of it

00:52:27 ◼   ► was this band playing.

00:52:28 ◼   ► I just thought it was weird.

00:52:31 ◼   ► I mean, I know Apple has had bands come and play,

00:52:34 ◼   ► but mostly at iTunes events or iPod events,

00:52:37 ◼   ► where it's actually a music-related event.

00:52:41 ◼   ► And certainly in Mac world, where it's a consumer event,

00:52:45 ◼   ► where entertaining the people makes more sense.

00:52:50 ◼   ► It just seems odd when it's a press event,

00:52:53 ◼   ► because this thing was not open.

00:52:55 ◼   ► You couldn't just show up to go to this thing.

00:52:58 ◼   ► So anyway, so they play this thing.

00:53:00 ◼   ► The timing is wrong on that, right?

00:53:01 ◼   ► Strategically.

00:53:02 ◼   ► the way Apple does it is the right way you do it. You come out, you say hello, you start satiating

00:53:09 ◼   ► the curiosity of the people who are there. You start giving them what they want to know.

00:53:15 ◼   ► Here's what we have to say. Here's a little preamble. Here's a new product. Here's what it

00:53:20 ◼   ► does. Here's what it looks like. And then at the end, you're like, "Hey, thanks for coming. And

00:53:24 ◼   ► guess what? We have a band. We have John Mayer's here. Play a song." The music comes at the end.

00:53:31 ◼   ► Yeah. And then Eric Schmidt gets up and talks about, I don't know, talks about whatever Eric Schmidt talks about.

00:53:37 ◼   ► And he introduces the guy who is the new head of Motorola Mobility. What's that guy's name? I just wrote about it.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Ah, what's the difference?

00:53:49 ◼   ► Anyway, Dennis Woodside, who I noted yesterday, came from McKinsey, which is this big consulting, management consulting company.

00:54:00 ◼   ► company. Well, who else would be better to design a phone? With a long history. Yeah, and also

00:54:07 ◼   ► oversaw the acquisition of Motorola. And suddenly to me, that made more sense why they spent

00:54:15 ◼   ► $12.5 billion to acquire Motorola Mobility. And then they showed an ad toward the end.

00:54:23 ◼   ► And the ad I thought was just terrible because it didn't show the product at all until the last

00:54:28 ◼   ► second. It was one of those ads that shows things flying by, and they would say "thin" and it would

00:54:34 ◼   ► show a bunch of thin things. And then it would show... I can't even remember what the other

00:54:38 ◼   ► sort of characteristics of the phone that they were talking about, but they would show things

00:54:43 ◼   ► that related to the characteristics of the phone, but not actually show the phone until the end.

00:54:47 ◼   ► And maybe it's partly because those phones aren't all that great looking. Whereas Amazon

00:54:52 ◼   ► did an ad last night during the NFL game that showed

00:54:57 ◼   ► their products all over the place.

00:54:59 ◼   ► Who won that game, by the way?

00:55:01 ◼   ► I couldn't really say.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And I could say, because I know, but I'm not going to say.

00:55:07 ◼   ► And the ad shows-- it even shows boxes arriving in mailboxes

00:55:14 ◼   ► and shows all the candles and showed the new devices.

00:55:18 ◼   ► Sounds like a great ad.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Which I thought was interesting.

00:55:21 ◼   ► Right. And not something that Apple would do, but pretty good. And much more inspiring to go out and

00:55:30 ◼   ► actually buy the product than the one that Motorola showed. I just looked it up on ESPN.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Ends up that the Dallas Cowboys won that football game and now have the best record in the entire

00:55:42 ◼   ► NFL. Wow. They're going all the way. I think it's without question. Also top-rated quarterback in

00:55:52 ◼   ► the NFL Tony Romo. Wow. Huh. That's exciting. Yeah. New York Giants last place. Out of 28 teams in NFL

00:56:07 ◼   ► no team has a worse record than the New York Giants. I think Yankees been doing over the last

00:56:11 ◼   ► ten games

00:56:16 ◼   ► and or should we go back to politics john people get very upset when we talk

00:56:19 ◼   ► about sports should go back to politics because i get very happy to see them

00:56:23 ◼   ► they tune in for the pollock political talk not the sports talk

00:56:27 ◼   ► they get very upset when we talk about sports or we could talk about our

00:56:29 ◼   ► children

00:56:30 ◼   ► exactly

00:56:34 ◼   ► uh...

00:56:35 ◼   ► i you know what these events they do they make me uncomfortable to watch

00:56:38 ◼   ► Because I am spoiled.

00:56:40 ◼   ► I'm totally spoiled by Apple, which

00:56:41 ◼   ► puts on these events that are as polished and thoughtful

00:56:46 ◼   ► as their products.

00:56:48 ◼   ► And it's just event after event.

00:56:50 ◼   ► I can't recall in recent-- I can't recall Apple ever putting

00:56:53 ◼   ► together an event that seemed anything less than polished

00:57:00 ◼   ► and presents the product in a great light.

00:57:04 ◼   ► And I think, isn't it true that these events where the – these stage yourself events

00:57:14 ◼   ► are a relatively new phenomenon for most of these companies?

00:57:17 ◼   ► Because the way things used to be done was they would go to Comdex or something.

00:57:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:24 ◼   ► And announce these products.

00:57:25 ◼   ► It would be tied to these – call them, I don't know, conventions or –

00:57:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:30 ◼   ► And mostly, Apple was the one who started-- maybe somebody else did it before, but Apple

00:57:36 ◼   ► started hosting their own events and then everybody said, "Oh, we need to host our own

00:57:39 ◼   ► events."

00:57:40 ◼   ► Right.

00:57:41 ◼   ► And there was a thing yesterday's-- the other thing about yesterday's dual announcements

00:57:45 ◼   ► from Motorola and Nokia was that they were in the same city.

00:57:49 ◼   ► They were both in New York City and that-- I think the Nokia one-- I forget which one

00:57:54 ◼   ► went first.

00:57:56 ◼   ► But I think it was Motorola--

00:57:57 ◼   ► Nokia.

00:57:58 ◼   ► Motorola go first?

00:57:59 ◼   ► I don't know, but they were offering shuttle buses.

00:58:02 ◼   ► They each offered to take people from one to another.

00:58:06 ◼   ► The Nokia paid for a bus that said, "I love Nokia" in huge letters to shuttle the people

00:58:12 ◼   ► to it.

00:58:13 ◼   ► To show up at the Motorola thing.

00:58:14 ◼   ► Right.

00:58:15 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:58:18 ◼   ► It just all seems – I can't even imagine Apple doing that.

00:58:21 ◼   ► No.

00:58:22 ◼   ► If Apple held an event and somebody else happened to be holding – had the stones to hold one

00:58:26 ◼   ► in the same city on the same day, Apple just wouldn't give two craps about anybody who

00:58:33 ◼   ► wanted to attend both.

00:58:34 ◼   ► But if the timing made it difficult or whatever, that's your dumb luck for wanting to cover

00:58:41 ◼   ► both.

00:58:42 ◼   ► Because they know which one you're going to cover.

00:58:44 ◼   ► Right.

00:58:45 ◼   ► I can't imagine anybody being dumb enough to do that.

00:58:51 ◼   ► to say, oh, Apple's holding an event at 10 o'clock on Tuesday.

00:58:55 ◼   ► We'll hold one at noon.

00:58:59 ◼   ► Right.

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00:59:20 ◼   ► is that as soon as you launch the app, the most likely thing you want to do is start

00:59:23 ◼   ► writing an idea, start writing a note. So every time you launch the app, the first thing

00:59:27 ◼   ► you get is a new blank note. So you're walking around, you have an idea, you think I want

00:59:31 ◼   ► to write that down, take out your phone, launch drafts, and boom, you've got a new note. Start

00:59:38 ◼   ► typing it. Second thing they have is terrific sync. You sign up for their own syncing service

00:59:46 ◼   ► and everything instantly.

00:59:49 ◼   ► As soon as you type something on your iPhone,

00:59:51 ◼   ► it's in the iPad version.

00:59:53 ◼   ► Make a change on the iPad, it's on the iPhone.

00:59:55 ◼   ► And it just works great.

00:59:58 ◼   ► It's instantaneous and just perfect sync,

01:00:03 ◼   ► which I think is essential for any note-taking app.

01:00:05 ◼   ► - Absolutely.

01:00:07 ◼   ► - They have a great little custom keyboard,

01:00:09 ◼   ► a little bar above the keyboard

01:00:11 ◼   ► with a bunch of commonly used characters,

01:00:15 ◼   ► Including markdown fans they including an asterisk so you don't have to work to get asterisks for Italian for italics not Italian

01:00:22 ◼   ► Although you can write Italian drafts works in English and Italian

01:00:26 ◼   ► And a dash and I think M - they also have

01:00:32 ◼   ► left and right arrow keys for moving the insertion point and

01:00:37 ◼   ► Left and Wow word wise insertion point

01:00:41 ◼   ► All very, very conveniently located.

01:00:44 ◼   ► So you can go-- it's like using option arrow on a Mac.

01:00:48 ◼   ► So you can go word, word, word, left and right.

01:00:51 ◼   ► Nice.

01:00:52 ◼   ► Really, really convenient.

01:00:54 ◼   ► And as much as I love and think it's genius,

01:00:57 ◼   ► the text placement built into iOS

01:01:00 ◼   ► where you rub your finger there, if you just

01:01:03 ◼   ► want to go back a couple characters

01:01:05 ◼   ► and you're already using the keyboard,

01:01:07 ◼   ► having those arrow keys is great.

01:01:09 ◼   ► To me, it's a feature that Apple should-- I

01:01:11 ◼   ► I think Apple should really think about adding to iOS.

01:01:15 ◼   ► Really, really convenient, especially on the iPad,

01:01:17 ◼   ► I think, where the room is there.

01:01:19 ◼   ► And it looks like there's a host of output options, too.

01:01:26 ◼   ► That's the next best part.

01:01:28 ◼   ► You can post to Twitter.

01:01:30 ◼   ► You can post to Facebook.

01:01:31 ◼   ► Save to Dropbox.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:01:34 ◼   ► So you could use it as the sort of place

01:01:36 ◼   ► where you stash tweets.

01:01:37 ◼   ► If you have draft tweets, you can use it for that.

01:01:40 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:01:42 ◼   ► It hooks to Dropbox.

01:01:44 ◼   ► You can sync everything to Dropbox.

01:01:46 ◼   ► It hooks to Evernote, has support for printing.

01:01:51 ◼   ► And you can forward the text of any draft in the app

01:01:56 ◼   ► to a bunch of apps that they hook up with a URL protocol

01:02:01 ◼   ► so they can cross communicate.

01:02:02 ◼   ► You can send them to apps.

01:02:04 ◼   ► Here's the list of apps that they work with right now.

01:02:05 ◼   ► But it's growing all the time.

01:02:07 ◼   ► OmniFocus, Things, Agenda, and Tweetbot.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Big name apps, very popular apps.

01:02:14 ◼   ► So it sends stuff back and forth with those apps.

01:02:17 ◼   ► It's just great.

01:02:18 ◼   ► So Draft for iPhone is $1.99, and Drafts for iPad

01:02:24 ◼   ► is $2.99 on the App Store.

01:02:27 ◼   ► Go check them out.

01:02:28 ◼   ► So go to the App Store, search for Draft.

01:02:30 ◼   ► It's a great app, and I highly recommend it

01:02:33 ◼   ► for the iPhone and the iPad.

01:02:37 ◼   ► I'm pulling a Leo report. I'm downloading it right now.

01:02:41 ◼   ► I really recommend it. Oh, I know what I wanted to add to say. I wanted to say this this week

01:02:47 ◼   ► because it's one of those things that I won't be able to say next week. And the rumor, you

01:02:53 ◼   ► know, it's such a rumor that it seems like it's got to be true. The rumor is that the

01:02:57 ◼   ► screen on the new iPhone is going to be the same width, but it's going to be taller. And

01:03:01 ◼   ► it's going to be taller by the, you know, what are they going to do with the home screen?

01:03:05 ◼   ► are going to add an extra row of icons on the home screen.

01:03:09 ◼   ► And I've been thinking about that,

01:03:10 ◼   ► and it's actually made me a little nervous.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Because I've gotten my home screen--

01:03:13 ◼   ► my first two home screens, which are really the only two

01:03:16 ◼   ► I keep organized-- I know where all the icons are.

01:03:19 ◼   ► And I've kind of settled in.

01:03:20 ◼   ► I've kind of gotten into old man mode,

01:03:22 ◼   ► where it's very rare that I change an app in there.

01:03:26 ◼   ► And I don't know what I'm going to do

01:03:27 ◼   ► with that extra row of icons.

01:03:29 ◼   ► If you were Henry Blodgett, you could base an entire piece

01:03:31 ◼   ► on this.

01:03:33 ◼   ► It would obviously mean that Apple really angry. Yeah

01:03:36 ◼   ► Tyrate about how apples ruining her do you do you do you meticulously organize your your icons?

01:03:43 ◼   ► Mmm, I would not say meticulously home screen yet. Maybe like the first beyond that. Yeah, that's the first page. Yes, but

01:03:50 ◼   ► Anything beyond that is is kind of a it's a little bit more of a mess

01:03:55 ◼   ► Was it you somebody had a line the other day about Henry Blodgett where he was

01:04:02 ◼   ► it was a good crack about Henry Blodgett. Have you written about him?

01:04:07 ◼   ► It's easy. No. No. It's easy to make. It is. He argued that the iPhone 5 is doomed or something?

01:04:20 ◼   ► I think he said that the iPhone 5 is already annoying him.

01:04:24 ◼   ► Oh. I thought that was the other guy. The guy in the market watch.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Something like that.

01:04:28 ◼   ► But maybe Blodgett too?

01:04:30 ◼   ► I think yeah, it seems like there are at least a couple of them. It's a common that is a common refrain in

01:04:36 ◼   ► The run-up to an Apple product announcement that before it's even announced that you're tired of the hype

01:04:42 ◼   ► That they're tired of it and they yeah

01:04:44 ◼   ► And they always direct these complaint about the hype at Apple that it's a pretty that does this right?

01:04:50 ◼   ► But what what what could Apple do differently to to not have this hype? They don't say anything right said nothing

01:04:58 ◼   ► I can't I really truly believe that they haven't purposefully

01:05:02 ◼   ► Leaked anything all of these parts if it turns out that these parts that have leaked are legit and that this you know that we kind

01:05:09 ◼   ► Of already have an idea what this new iPhone looks like I?

01:05:12 ◼   ► Can't help but think that Apple is upset about that

01:05:15 ◼   ► It'd be funny if that if that company that's selling the Android one is it actually an Apple shell company

01:05:22 ◼   ► Oh my god, the Goop phone.

01:05:27 ◼   ► And it's all just a gag.

01:05:28 ◼   ► And to build up hype for the iPhone 5,

01:05:30 ◼   ► we're going to have this company sell a complete knockoff of it.

01:05:34 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:35 ◼   ► It's like a couple of times a month at like 5 o'clock,

01:05:39 ◼   ► they're blowing off steam.

01:05:40 ◼   ► And there's Schiller and Johnny Ive and Woz-- not Woz, Jaws.

01:05:48 ◼   ► Just the three of them sitting around having a beer or something and then set up in Hong

01:05:54 ◼   ► Kong's shell company to sell to Goofung.

01:05:58 ◼   ► What's the silliest name they could come up with?

01:06:00 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

01:06:01 ◼   ► What's the worst possible name you can think of?

01:06:03 ◼   ► Right.

01:06:04 ◼   ► And Goofung, it's sort of a knock at Google.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Could be if it ended up it was a shell company.

01:06:09 ◼   ► God, that would be great.

01:06:10 ◼   ► That would be so great.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:14 ◼   ► So, do you want to talk about the FBI thing? Oh, let's do that. Yeah. And then I think

01:06:27 ◼   ► we call it a show. Yeah. Yeah, the FBI thing is really weird. And you said your idea. I

01:06:33 ◼   ► didn't look mine up, but I did and I did not find any of mine. Yeah, it's it. But I'm not

01:06:40 ◼   ► 100% sure. Here's what I downloaded the file. It's like

01:06:44 ◼   ► 90 gigabytes. And they give you these instructions where you can

01:06:46 ◼   ► verify it. And you know, the empty five hash that you know,

01:06:49 ◼   ► it's legit. And you un decrypt it. And then you have a big text

01:06:54 ◼   ► file. It's like 130 megabytes or something like that. So I open

01:07:00 ◼   ► it up and BB edit with handles a big file like that, no problem.

01:07:02 ◼   ► And I start searching for my uu IDs from my devices I have in

01:07:07 ◼   ► active use. A couple of my iPhones and a couple of my iPads that have the UUIDs or UDIDs. I

01:07:14 ◼   ► keep calling them UDIDs. UDIDs. Device IDs. And none of mine were a hit.

01:07:20 ◼   ► IUDs.

01:07:21 ◼   ► Right. But I even got a couple of people on Twitter pointed out that there were two devices

01:07:28 ◼   ► in there named John Gruber's iPad. And I looked and there were two devices with that name

01:07:36 ◼   ► And-- but I looked and the UUIDs did not match any of the ones

01:07:41 ◼   ► that I have stored.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Now, it's possible though, because I

01:07:43 ◼   ► have had an absurd number of iPads

01:07:47 ◼   ► come through here where like review units from Apple,

01:07:52 ◼   ► because I've had new ones.

01:07:53 ◼   ► Like when a new one comes out, I had like a new iPad 2

01:07:58 ◼   ► and a new iPad 3 that I didn't keep.

01:08:00 ◼   ► You know, I get them, I use them for a couple of weeks,

01:08:03 ◼   ► and then I box them back up and ship them to Apple. And I buy my own, if I'm going to buy one

01:08:09 ◼   ► to actually own. But they've also given me ones like at that books event last year, the textbook

01:08:20 ◼   ► event in New York City. They just give them out like candy when they review stuff. Or with

01:08:26 ◼   ► Mountain Lion, they gave me one because they wanted to give me one that had iTunes document in the

01:08:33 ◼   ► cloud that's syncing that worked or whatever. They just set them up to be

01:08:38 ◼   ► able to review these features they want you to be able to do and they just they

01:08:42 ◼   ► just set everything up so that they're all ready to go and they just give them

01:08:45 ◼   ► to you you know and you don't keep them they you know you sign a thing that says

01:08:48 ◼   ► I you know I've taken this from you and it's possible it is possible that maybe

01:08:53 ◼   ► I had one of those that I plugged in and I just got lazy because I knew I wasn't

01:08:57 ◼   ► gonna keep it and just took that default name because I don't name them like that

01:09:00 ◼   ► I don't name them John Gruber's iPad.

01:09:03 ◼   ► I have other-- I name my devices different ways,

01:09:07 ◼   ► but I don't use that name.

01:09:09 ◼   ► But maybe I did.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Maybe I got lazy.

01:09:10 ◼   ► So maybe there were two of mine in there.

01:09:14 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:09:15 ◼   ► I like the idea that other people were naming them that.

01:09:17 ◼   ► But anyway, there's still no answer

01:09:19 ◼   ► of how this file came to exist.

01:09:23 ◼   ► And I guess that the intrigue is-- the initial reaction

01:09:26 ◼   ► I think a lot of people had was the suspicion that Apple

01:09:29 ◼   ► had been sharing this information with the FBI for some reason. Apple has since denied

01:09:36 ◼   ► that.

01:09:37 ◼   ► And the FBI has denied it.

01:09:39 ◼   ► All right. Oh, and the other thing to point out to keep in mind is that the this anti

01:09:43 ◼   ► sec anti social what the hell's their name anti sec is their name, I think that the hacker

01:09:49 ◼   ► group that released this claims that the original file that they took from the guy's laptop

01:09:55 ◼   ► 12 million entries and that they've only the public release was only a random 1 million

01:10:02 ◼   ► slice of it. So the only 10% of the numbers they claim were there were actually in this

01:10:09 ◼   ► public one. So just because you know, your UD ID isn't in there doesn't in there. It

01:10:13 ◼   ► wasn't in the full file that hasn't been released publicly. Yeah. And what the FBI issued a

01:10:20 ◼   ► statement but the state you know, and it's pretty rare for them to even address something

01:10:24 ◼   ► like this but it does have some wiggle room in there well the statement does but then apparently

01:10:29 ◼   ► they denied it they denied it much more forcefully on twitter which i think is also funny that the

01:10:34 ◼   ► fbi has a twitter account like see did you imagine like twitter was available like 40 years ago when

01:10:43 ◼   ► jaeger jaeger was alive you know what though that you say that but did you must not have seen clint

01:10:51 ◼   ► Eastwood's Hoover movie because there's like a faux pas in there. One of those things like,

01:10:57 ◼   ► oh, you know, like sometimes like I'm a font nerd. So sometimes there'll be like a movie that takes

01:11:03 ◼   ► place in 1953. And there's something in Helvetica. Well, Helvetica didn't come out till 1957. So it's,

01:11:09 ◼   ► you know, that's a faux pas. There was a scene in Eastwood's Hoover movie where Hoover was sexting.

01:11:16 ◼   ► Really?

01:11:18 ◼   ► Yeah, he was sexting on it on a little, uh, on like an iPhone. And then somebody pointed out to Eastwood

01:11:23 ◼   ► after it came out that the iPhone, you know, cell phones weren't gonna exist for another 60 years.

01:11:28 ◼   ► And he told them, "You're making that up. I have not seen the movie, but you must be making that up."

01:11:33 ◼   ► At any rate, the FBI, uh, their, their, their Twitter post was, was unequivocal.

01:11:40 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

01:11:41 ◼   ► And Marco has a link to something this morning about this guy, I'm sure I'm going to mispronounce

01:11:54 ◼   ► his name, Bojan Gajic of Flux ads, thinks that maybe it came from an app or a series

01:12:02 ◼   ► of apps from this company called Spank Apps.

01:12:09 ◼   ► That's just for real?

01:12:12 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:12:14 ◼   ► There was an app called Glitter Draw Free that this guy had installed that's sending

01:12:23 ◼   ► the associated push notifications token to a third party service.

01:12:27 ◼   ► Anyway, I don't understand it all.

01:12:29 ◼   ► But possibly, I mean, so people are coming up with, you know, trying to come up with

01:12:33 ◼   ► other ways that this might have happened.

01:12:35 ◼   ► And one of the theories is that it's a third party app.

01:12:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:39 ◼   ► be surprised if that's the source. Is it a third party app or an ad network maybe that

01:12:45 ◼   ► a bunch of apps use? Something like that? And it does seem like the more I looked into

01:12:51 ◼   ► it that it's whatever the source, it's not that egregious a leak. It's likely that a

01:12:58 ◼   ► bunch of ad networks all have your device IDs and your device names just because it

01:13:03 ◼   ► was, you know, that's how it was easy up until iOS 6. Apple's actually making that something

01:13:08 ◼   ► that apps can't do in iOS 6 is get these device IDs.

01:13:12 ◼   ► They're going to have another way of getting unique identifiers that

01:13:15 ◼   ► won't be the same across different apps.

01:13:19 ◼   ► So you'll have more privacy.

01:13:21 ◼   ► It's not a terrible privacy variation, but it's definitely something.

01:13:24 ◼   ► And Marco also is the source that linked to the write-up

01:13:29 ◼   ► I linked to yesterday about the way that you could use

01:13:36 ◼   ► a simple URL API from Open Faint, who is like a-- it's tied to a bunch of games, and you

01:13:46 ◼   ► could put a UDID in there, and it'll tell you everything they know about that UDID.

01:13:50 ◼   ► And for some people, it was coming up with things like their Facebook profile and pictures,

01:13:54 ◼   ► you know, like their avatar.

01:13:57 ◼   ► And when the guy first reported it, there was-- you know, it was actually even worse.

01:14:01 ◼   ► It even had like GPS data.

01:14:03 ◼   ► And after he reported it-- this is like two years ago,

01:14:05 ◼   ► or a year and a half ago-- they took out the location data

01:14:08 ◼   ► from that API code.

01:14:10 ◼   ► But there could be some other service out there

01:14:14 ◼   ► that has the same type of thing, and maybe

01:14:16 ◼   ► has the same sort of privacy problems.

01:14:19 ◼   ► Because once you know somebody's name and their location,

01:14:24 ◼   ► I mean, that's a lot.

01:14:27 ◼   ► That's a good way to get started on--

01:14:30 ◼   ► Having some fun.

01:14:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:31 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:14:35 ◼   ► You said that a little too eagerly, John.

01:14:39 ◼   ► Not that I would ever-- it's a good thing

01:14:43 ◼   ► I don't know how to do any of this stuff.

01:14:45 ◼   ► So you didn't even look.

01:14:46 ◼   ► You didn't even look at me.

01:14:47 ◼   ► I didn't look.

01:14:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:14:50 ◼   ► What am I going to do if it's in there?

01:14:53 ◼   ► Not much.

01:14:55 ◼   ► But there really is nothing-- I mean,

01:14:57 ◼   ► there's no-- you can't change your UDID.

01:14:59 ◼   ► It still is a weird story though.

01:15:03 ◼   ► Did you also see – and just to circle back, this might be a good way to end the show,

01:15:07 ◼   ► circle back on politics.

01:15:08 ◼   ► Have you seen this story about the hacker that claims to have stolen Mitt Romney's

01:15:14 ◼   ► tax returns?

01:15:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I did.

01:15:16 ◼   ► This is actually a really intriguing story.

01:15:18 ◼   ► So the story is that an anonymous hacker has posted these things on like Paste Bin and

01:15:28 ◼   ► claims and it's been verified that he walked into a Price Waterhouse Cooper's office in

01:15:35 ◼   ► like Tennessee and a guy on that said that a guy on the third floor let him in and that

01:15:42 ◼   ► he put he walked out with on a USB stick. I don't think he says how many but several

01:15:50 ◼   ► years of Mitt Romney's personal income tax returns before 2010, which he hasn't released

01:15:56 ◼   ► which has been very controversial in this election because presidential candidates typically

01:16:00 ◼   ► release many years or several years of their taxes. And there's a lot of speculation that

01:16:06 ◼   ► the reason he hasn't is that there's some stuff in there that's politically unsavory. In other words,

01:16:14 ◼   ► that he's probably paid a certainly low tax rate. And he also has a whole collection of people's

01:16:19 ◼   ► U.D.I.D.s. Exactly. But anyway, this hacker then encrypted the data and put the encrypted

01:16:31 ◼   ► version on a USB stick and mailed it to both the Democrats and the Republicans in an envelope

01:16:37 ◼   ► and with a letter that's exactly, you know, saying what he'd done and saying that he wants

01:16:44 ◼   ► Romney or the Romney campaign to give him a million dollars in bitcoins, which presumably

01:16:50 ◼   ► would be untraceable.

01:16:52 ◼   ► I think that's the way bitcoin works.

01:16:54 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure.

01:16:55 ◼   ► I mean, it's, you know, it'd be pretty stupid if it weren't that, you know, that bitcoin

01:16:59 ◼   ► works like cash, where once you transfer it, it's, you know, it's, there is no, it's not

01:17:05 ◼   ► like credit transactions.

01:17:07 ◼   ► There's no banking history.

01:17:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:09 ◼   ► He wants a million dollars in bitcoins before September 28th, or else he's going to release

01:17:14 ◼   ► it publicly. And if anybody else wants it, like in the press or whatever, the first one to give

01:17:19 ◼   ► them the billion dollars in bitcoins either gets the key or they'll destroy the key.

01:17:25 ◼   ► And, you know, it seems like it seems so outlandish. I mean, why in the world would

01:17:35 ◼   ► his tax returns be in Tennessee? But it does seem like, you know, the Secret Service is looking into

01:17:41 ◼   ► it and it seems like there might be some smoke to the fire. Yeah. It's interesting. You don't,

01:17:51 ◼   ► I mean, at this point, it's hard to tell, but. Well, I guess here's what I, what. It's either

01:17:57 ◼   ► a really outrageous scam. Right. Or a great espionage story. Right. And Price Waterhouse

01:18:04 ◼   ► Cooper's issued a denial, not really a denial, but just as far as we know, this hasn't happened.

01:18:09 ◼   ► But they haven't said anything. Here's what I wonder. All right. Are his tax returns in that

01:18:20 ◼   ► office in Tennessee? Right? If they're not, well, then they could say it's not even possible. We

01:18:28 ◼   ► have no tax returns for Mitt Romney in that office. And then the whole story goes away.

01:18:35 ◼   ► They haven't said that. But would they say that? You know what I mean? Like, it's one of those

01:18:40 ◼   ► things like, you know, not negotiating with terrorists, where maybe, you know,

01:18:45 ◼   ► even if it's not there, you don't say that. Because then if it were there,

01:18:50 ◼   ► you're not saying that would be a giveaway, that it was there. Did that make sense?

01:18:58 ◼   ► Yes, sort of. At this time, there is no...

01:19:03 ◼   ► yeah, this is their and it actually is sounds exactly like what the FBI had said about the

01:19:08 ◼   ► U.D. I.D. is in their official statement that at this time there is no evidence that our systems

01:19:14 ◼   ► have been compromised, which is not really a denial. No, I mean, and maybe they don't know.

01:19:22 ◼   ► Right. And I also would not be surprised if it's their policy to not really can truly confirm or

01:19:29 ◼   ► deny that it was even possible. They don't want to have people playing bingo trying to guess

01:19:36 ◼   ► where his tax returns really are. But I don't know. It just seems like the statement and the

01:19:41 ◼   ► way that the Secret Service is looking into this that there might be something to it.

01:19:47 ◼   ► ISKRA If PWC has a system, if they do people's tax returns and they have a system where they store

01:19:55 ◼   ► all this stuff. You could theoretically access it from any office.

01:19:59 ◼   ► It could be in the cloud, you're saying?

01:20:02 ◼   ► Yeah. I mean, it would be. It would be in their, at least on their, well, probably not

01:20:06 ◼   ► on the cloud, but in their WAN.

01:20:08 ◼   ► Right. Yeah. I guess that does make sense. I guess that if he had anybody, any Price

01:20:14 ◼   ► Waterhouse Coopers do it, that maybe they do have a system like that, that it wouldn't

01:20:18 ◼   ► just be local. I guess that does make a lot of sense, that it doesn't really matter that

01:20:24 ◼   ► You know if you're if you're in the Tennessee office working on some rich guys tax taxes you have access to the same

01:20:30 ◼   ► System not necessarily the same you wouldn't necessarily have access to the same

01:20:37 ◼   ► Right. I'm thinking too much about

01:20:39 ◼   ► My taxes is with my accountant where we're just you know

01:20:44 ◼   ► I just come in with a shoe box a shoe box full of receipts

01:20:47 ◼   ► exactly and and you know

01:20:53 ◼   ► It's like two slips of paper and like 110.99 from Macworld for a column I wrote.

01:21:01 ◼   ► I just throw it at him and say, "Here," and then half an hour later –

01:21:05 ◼   ► Tim Cynova You talk sports for 15 minutes and then he

01:21:08 ◼   ► does it all.

01:21:09 ◼   ► Andy Weisz Right.

01:21:10 ◼   ► Then it's all gone.

01:21:11 ◼   ► But I'm pretty sure Mitt Romney doesn't go to –

01:21:14 ◼   ► Tim Cynova I would guess that it's different for him.

01:21:16 ◼   ► Andy Weisz Wouldn't it be great if his tax return – if

01:21:18 ◼   ► If the guy – if it's totally legit and they don't pay up and the guy releases it

01:21:22 ◼   ► publicly and his tax returns are just absolutely like – there's nothing to it.

01:21:28 ◼   ► There's absolutely nothing interesting in them whatsoever.

01:21:34 ◼   ► Just nothing in them.

01:21:37 ◼   ► Just exactly like this 2010 one.

01:21:41 ◼   ► Why the fuss then?

01:21:45 ◼   ► At this point, everybody assumes that there's something preposterous in there.

01:21:49 ◼   ► Right.

01:21:50 ◼   ► That just shows that I took all this money and sent it to the Cayman Islands.

01:21:57 ◼   ► I paid $37 in income tax on $20 million in capital gains.

01:22:05 ◼   ► So what's your last thing?

01:22:10 ◼   ► you a nervous flyer? Yes. Did you know you knew that? I did know that. Yeah. And that's

01:22:17 ◼   ► why I thought to call this out. This is this is an incident earlier today. This is gonna

01:22:22 ◼   ► is it gonna freak me out? I'm not flying. I'm not flying anytime in the near future.

01:22:28 ◼   ► So here's here's the story. A US Airways flight headed for Dallas in Philadelphia was diverted

01:22:34 ◼   ► back to Philadelphia this morning because of a false threat that identified a particular

01:22:39 ◼   ► passenger is carrying explosives. Now here's the statement from Chief Inspector Joe Sullivan,

01:22:46 ◼   ► commander of the Philadelphia Police Department's anti terrorism unit.

01:22:49 ◼   ► All indications are this was a hoax and a pretty nasty prank played on a passenger.

01:22:54 ◼   ► So the plane goes up. And they the guy called in and said that the guy had liquid explosives

01:23:03 ◼   ► and planned and they had the flight in apparently the they named the flight and said where it was

01:23:08 ◼   ► was going that he was on flight 1267 going to Dallas.

01:23:12 ◼   ► It was a 730 flight.

01:23:15 ◼   ► And they named the particular individual.

01:23:17 ◼   ► Said he smuggled an explosive on a flight to Texas.

01:23:21 ◼   ► And so they immediately told the plane to come back.

01:23:24 ◼   ► And they gave it the full treatment with the--

01:23:27 ◼   ► I guess parked it on a runway as far away from everything else

01:23:30 ◼   ► as they could, surrounded it, had law enforcement board

01:23:34 ◼   ► the plane, and take the guy out.

01:23:37 ◼   ► Outside the plane then had him get down on his knees and and had like the bomb sniffing dogs, you know, give him the once-over

01:23:44 ◼   ► apparently the fellow was very surprised and and

01:23:47 ◼   ► and upset

01:23:50 ◼   ► So what was like a friend of his or something

01:23:54 ◼   ► Maybe not anymore. Yeah, well

01:23:57 ◼   ► Does this not seem like the stupidest prank you've ever heard of?

01:24:02 ◼   ► Yes, because I believe us pretty close

01:24:06 ◼   ► He liked it. The guy who made this prank, did he really think that he was going to get away with it?

01:24:12 ◼   ► I cannot wait to hear the rest of this story. This is the story that I am so intrigued to find the

01:24:19 ◼   ► bottom line. Now here's the other thing. The plane did eventually depart for Dallas around like 11

01:24:25 ◼   ► o'clock or 11 30 or something like that. Now would you, if you were on that flight and this happened,

01:24:29 ◼   ► you're, and it wasn't you who was the victim of the prank. You're just, you know, 20 rows back

01:24:33 ◼   ► And all you know is that the plane goes back to Philly and and then they explained this. Would you would you then take the flight to Dallas?

01:24:40 ◼   ► I probably apparently have many custom many of the passengers refused to get back on and refused to get back on the plane. Yeah

01:24:46 ◼   ► Well, I guess I mean, I guess you if you think that maybe there's somebody who had

01:24:52 ◼   ► Like is this bag still on the plane?

01:24:55 ◼   ► Right if you're getting on exactly the same plane

01:25:00 ◼   ► That would be that would be questionable right like, you know, or maybe he had a confederate or something like that like yeah

01:25:06 ◼   ► Yeah that whatever the odds are that the that any given flight you're going to be on is gonna have a

01:25:13 ◼   ► Terrorist explosion. Let's call it one in a million which is probably way too high

01:25:20 ◼   ► Let's say you're a nervous flier though, and you think the odds are one in a million

01:25:24 ◼   ► The odds of your flight having something like this happen after this on the same plane that the guy that had somehow left the bag

01:25:30 ◼   ► Or you know hidden hidden something in the bathroom or something like that

01:25:34 ◼   ► You got to figure it's it's whatever the odds are. It's greater than the one in a million of an average other flight

01:25:42 ◼   ► Right, yeah, the whole point of having a phobia is that you don't you it's not rational

01:25:47 ◼   ► Yes, you're obsessed with let me tell you about the irrational about it. Yeah

01:25:53 ◼   ► I'm less afraid. I might just to show you how irrational my phobia is. I'm afraid of turbulence

01:25:59 ◼   ► That's mostly what I'm afraid of I'm less afraid of being bombed but uh

01:26:04 ◼   ► And cats I'm also afraid of cats my wife terrified of turbulence

01:26:10 ◼   ► Really?

01:26:12 ◼   ► I I can see someday my wife if there's turbulence that I could just see her getting up go heading and just pop and open

01:26:18 ◼   ► The door and just jumping out and just taking a chance

01:26:22 ◼   ► You know, you can't do that. No, but that does not that does not work. Yeah. Yeah turbulence is a

01:26:28 ◼   ► Is not good for for my life. No, I know which is in really statistically speaking again

01:26:37 ◼   ► Statistically what it was the way that happened

01:26:40 ◼   ► I mean, it's always almost always on if there's like it just like a regular accident. It's almost always on takeoff or landing

01:26:46 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, we had a flight once we did have a flight

01:26:49 ◼   ► It was probably easily the worst flight that we ever took together.

01:26:51 ◼   ► We had a flight.

01:26:52 ◼   ► I forget where we were going.

01:26:53 ◼   ► It was San Francisco, but it was pretty long.

01:26:57 ◼   ► It was a long flight and it was so much turbulence that the seatbelt light never went off on

01:27:04 ◼   ► the flight.

01:27:05 ◼   ► Oh, God.

01:27:06 ◼   ► That is my nightmare.

01:27:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:27:08 ◼   ► So it was – and it was – I was like – I remember being lucky that – because I usually

01:27:13 ◼   ► have to pee because I drink so much coffee.

01:27:17 ◼   ► So not being able to pee, I remember I even had the thought, "You know what?

01:27:21 ◼   ► I don't care if the seatbelt lights off.

01:27:22 ◼   ► If I have to pee, I'm going.

01:27:26 ◼   ► I'll take them scolding me rather than peeing in my pants.

01:27:30 ◼   ► I'm not peeing in my pants."

01:27:31 ◼   ► But it ended up, I ended up – maybe it's like because I got lucky.

01:27:35 ◼   ► Maybe because I was thinking about it, I never really got to be that desperate in terms of

01:27:40 ◼   ► the peeing.

01:27:41 ◼   ► But it was a very long – that's a lot of turbulence.

01:27:45 ◼   ► And it was pretty bad for her.

01:27:49 ◼   ► Because it never really wears off either.

01:27:51 ◼   ► That's the other thing.

01:27:52 ◼   ► And I feel terrible for her.

01:27:53 ◼   ► Because it's not like, well, an hour in of the turbulent flight,

01:27:55 ◼   ► now she's settled in.

01:27:57 ◼   ► She was pretty much white-knuckled the whole time.

01:28:00 ◼   ► Oh, and I believe she had the thought when we got off

01:28:03 ◼   ► that we were going to drive home.

01:28:04 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:28:07 ◼   ► I would-- yeah.

01:28:10 ◼   ► I just can't wait.

01:28:11 ◼   ► I'm so hoping that this guy was just like his buddy,

01:28:14 ◼   ► and that he's just some knucklehead.

01:28:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:28:18 ◼   ► Who thought that you could be calling a threat like that,

01:28:21 ◼   ► and everybody would just have a good laugh.

01:28:23 ◼   ► You're going to do some jail time.

01:28:27 ◼   ► Oh, I think you're going to do some serious jail time.

01:28:32 ◼   ► There is no--

01:28:33 ◼   ► It's going to get real uncomfortable real fast.

01:28:35 ◼   ► There is so-- I don't know that there is anywhere

01:28:39 ◼   ► in Western civilization where there

01:28:40 ◼   ► is less of a sense of humor than airline security.

01:28:46 ◼   ► And you know there are knuckleheads who just

01:28:48 ◼   ► think that that's funny and that they can do that.

01:28:50 ◼   ► Right.

01:28:50 ◼   ► You should have seen the look on your face.

01:28:59 ◼   ► TSA, they specialize.

01:29:00 ◼   ► That's really the only thing they look for when they hire

01:29:04 ◼   ► is a sense of humor.

01:29:07 ◼   ► You get that feeling.