24: Should You Register for a WWDC Ticket?
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Welcome to Under the Radar, a show about independent iOS app development.
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I'm Marco Arment.
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>> And I'm David Smith.
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Under the Radar is never longer than 30 minutes, so let's get started.
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>> So today we wanted to talk about WWDC.
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It was just announced as we record.
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It was just announced a little less than a day ago.
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And we wanted to talk about whether you want to go or not, because right now they're doing
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this kind of lottery system just like in the last couple of years where you can register
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to get a ticket and you have to commit to buy it to register. And then if you win the
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lottery and if you get awarded a ticket, they charge you a credit card that you've registered
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with them and it's not refundable. So you basically have to pre-commit $1600 to potentially
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getting this ticket if you want a chance of getting one at all. So this raises the obvious
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question for a lot of us of, "Well, do I want to try for this or not?" And David, I'm curious,
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Did you register, and if so, why?
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I have a lot of reasons why I registered for WWDC.
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It's very important for me personally, and some of these things will only apply to the
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way that I run my business and the way my business is structured, but for me, WWDC is
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a very unique opportunity, like the actual event going to it, beyond just the things
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that I could do at home.
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I think this year they're going to be live streaming the sessions. In past years it's
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been the videos that were available a few hours later. And so if you were just wanting
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to go to the conference, if you were just wanting to get the information that's presented
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from stage, there's really no need to go to WWDC, there's no reason to go to San Francisco.
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You could just do that at home. For me, though, the thing about WWDC that makes me want to
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go, there's a main reason and then there's a secondary reason. The main reason for me
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me is the labs. So every year at W3C, the way it's structured is probably good to
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have a quick overview. On Monday, and this year it's from the 13th to the 18th of June,
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on the Monday they'll have the big keynote addresses. In the morning there's usually
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the executive one, where Tim Cook and Phil Schiller and those kind of people will come
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up on stage and give the broad strokes of Apple's vision for the next generation of
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their software, typically. So what's coming in iOS, OS X, watchOS, tvOS, like the big
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high-level things, will break for lunch, and then they'll have the developer state of the
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union type of thing, where they talk in greater technical depth about all the things that
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were said in the morning. And then the rest of the week, Tuesday through Friday, is broken
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up into, there'll be sessions, which are sort of power-up or keynote presentations, talking
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about the various technologies that are introduced or things that are new, things that you want
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to learn about, and those are going to be live streamed and available.
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And then downstairs, at the Moscone West Center where it's held, they have the labs, which
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are where a bunch of Apple engineers, essentially, I think they usually say it's something like
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about a thousand engineers are on hand at various times throughout the week, will sit
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down and they'll have sort of office hours where you can come in and talk to people on
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the various technical teams.
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So say I'm having a problem with Core Motion.
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I can go to the Core Motion lab and I can sit down and I can talk to somebody who either
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wrote the APIs that I'm working with or knows the person who did.
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And for me, that's the part that is completely irreplaceable and in some ways, honestly,
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kind of essential for the way that I do my business because I have kind of made a living
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on looking at Apple's newest platforms and their newest technologies and being one of
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the first people to adopt them in whatever form that looks like.
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So whenever there's a new, like I just did with Activity++, there was this new API for
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accessing activity data, I submitted my app the moment it was possible to do that.
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And that works out.
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And for me, WWDC is this tremendous opportunity to go and talk to people about not really
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the "what" of what was announced, like things that you get from the video where they say,
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"Here's the five new APIs, here's the new things, here's what's going on," but being
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able to go and talk to an engineer about the "why," and to be able to say, "Well,
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this is… I can go and I can…" What I'll tend to do is I'll sit down and bang out
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a really rough prototype of something I'm thinking about maybe working on this summer,
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go down to the lab and be like, "Hey, this is how I'm doing it, and is this a reasonable
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approach?" Nothing even more specific than "Is this a reasonable approach?" You will
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often be from conversations then with those engineers, you can understand why they're
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doing things the way they are. And for me, that's kind of essential. And I'm registered
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for a ticket. I got my fingers crossed that I'll be one of the ones who's been selected
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for that reason. And then secondarily, and a bit more amusingly, I love going to WWDC
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because it's almost like every year being an iOS developer, there are a lot of things
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that are frustrating. There are a lot of things that are challenging. And that can kind of
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wear on you after a while. And the thing with about WWDC is I've had the privilege of going
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I think six times before, six or seven, quite a few. And every time I go, I always leave
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WWDC feeling excited, motivated, and just kind of like jazzed about the platform and
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the cool things that are coming. And you could say it's kind of like going back, it's like
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I go to San Francisco and I drink the Kool-Aid again, and that's kind of like the negative
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way to look at it, or you could just say, "It's a time to go and reconnect with
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the things that originally made me so excited for this platform," and kind of wash away
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some of the things that may have been frustrating in the previous year and kind of re-center
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and focus on, "Okay, what's going to happen the next year?" And so for me, the $1600
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and throwing my name in the hat just makes perfect sense.
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- Yeah, I mean, I have mostly the same kind of feelings
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I also registered and I also put down the potential $1600
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to potentially get a ticket.
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For me, it's mostly about the community side at this point
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because the technical stuff is,
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while it is strong and it is very good,
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you also don't, increasingly you have to be there
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less and less to get it.
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because every year, it used to be back in the olden days,
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back when you could sell apps for money,
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it used to be that they would put up the videos
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like three months after the conference
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or something like that.
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And then every year as the conference has become
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more and more oversold and over capacity,
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they've tried to address that issue of like,
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there's so many people who want to be there
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but just can't get a ticket 'cause there aren't enough
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or they can't get out there for scheduling or work reasons,
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or the other problem is it's just a lot of money,
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and a lot of people cannot afford to put down
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the probably all-in $4,000 that you'll be into
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to do this trip, something like that,
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'cause a big part of it is the hotel,
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but we'll see how that goes. (laughs)
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So it's a lot of money.
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It's a week off of work that you have to go do this,
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so a lot of people can't be there.
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So what they've been doing is making the videos available
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earlier and earlier to the point where,
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oh, and also dropping the requirement
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that you even had to be a paying developer member
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to even watch them, that used to be the case.
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Now, any developer account can watch them for free,
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and you don't have to have been there,
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you don't need the $100 full membership level.
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Any developer can watch these videos,
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and the videos themselves have gotten better,
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they have transcripts and it's searchable
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and all that stuff,
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and the production value has gone up and everything,
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and they are now releasing them so fast.
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Last year they were released within a day or so
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of the talks happening, and this year they're saying,
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as you mentioned, this year they're gonna be
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live broadcasting them, which has never happened before
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for anything beyond the initial keynote.
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So increasingly there's less and less reason
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why you need to be there as a developer.
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And that's why in past years I have been so scared
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that I wouldn't get a ticket, and I've been very lucky
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that for the last seven years I have gotten a ticket.
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And, although one year I had to sign up
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two developer accounts to get it.
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But this year, if I don't get a ticket,
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I don't think I'm gonna be as disappointed.
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And I'm still gonna go.
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And there's a whole question of like
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whether you should go out to San Francisco
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for that week anyway, even if you don't get a ticket.
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'Cause there are other things to do.
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There are other events that people put on,
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just not Apple, but you know, there's other conferences,
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There's the Layers Conference, there's Alt Conf,
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there's a lot of meetups and user groups,
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and there's just all these developers
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who were all in town that week.
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And so there's lots of social events.
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If you have any developer friends
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or if you just go to a bar near Moscone,
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you will find developers,
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and you can make developer friends.
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So there's a lot of reasons to be there regardless.
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So if I don't get a ticket this year,
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I think what I will miss the most
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is kind of the fun of being in the building
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and going to sessions live and going to the keynote,
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waiting with you and Jon and Casey in line
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and doing all that stuff.
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Well, will I really miss the line?
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- It's part of the fun, right?
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- I'll miss the camaraderie of the line,
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but maybe not the duration of it.
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But ultimately, I will have fun that week out there,
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regardless of whether I get a ticket or not.
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So the ticket will basically, if I get the ticket,
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the value of it is in structuring my day
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and giving me a place I have to be all day every day
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and a venue to go to and things to see and talks to see
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and kind of the focus of having it be like,
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my only job this week is to watch these sessions
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and then socialize at night.
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But my primary job this week
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is to watch these sessions live.
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Because when they post the videos afterwards,
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it's a little harder to find the time to sit down and do it
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because if you're just sitting at home in your office,
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you have all sorts of other work to do.
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You might have a family to also take care of.
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So your whole life is pressuring you
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during all other times of the year
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that you should probably be doing something else
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rather than sitting and watching a whole bunch of videos
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for APIs and stuff that you might not even be using yet,
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that you might just think might be interesting,
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when are you gonna find time to do that?
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Well, if you're there, your job is to go to those things.
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That is the reason you're there.
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You have that time kind of carved out,
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and that is what your focus is.
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If you're not there, or if you're there without a ticket,
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it's less focus, so I feel like I will miss
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that kind of focus and forced attention on the sessions,
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because that's a good thing.
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However, probably the biggest thing I would miss
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would be the Moscone sandwiches.
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No, just kidding, it would be the labs.
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It would be, as you mentioned,
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having the labs, having access to the Apple engineers
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has, not always, but has reasonably frequently
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provided me with pretty good information,
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oftentimes very good information.
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So that is the part I would miss the most
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if I don't get a ticket.
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But the rest of the conference, I feel like
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if you've gone to them for a few years,
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kind of know what it is, assuming they don't change it, you know, massively, which is not
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necessarily a safe assumption because they're already doing like the keynote at the Bill
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Graham Auditorium and so we're going to see like there's some changes in the event here,
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but I feel like I've gotten so much out of it in previous years that maybe it's time
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for a break. I don't know. I don't know. I think I'm certainly conflicted on the issue.
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That's why like if I do get a ticket, okay, well, I don't need to think about it for another
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here. And if I don't get a ticket, I guess I'll see what happens."
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And I think that's fair. Like, WWDC is, it's just, it comes, at least for me, it
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comes into this strange middle ground between being, like, strictly rational and somewhat
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emotional. Like, I have an affinity to it that is not just logical. It's not just
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like, "Oh, it makes sense to go here." Like, I have good reasons that I can justify
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to myself, and I think there are real reasons for like, I need to go and talk to people
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in the labs that are good. But if I didn't get a ticket, it would be sad in a way that
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it's just emotional. Like I remember in I think it was 2009 was my first WWDC.
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Yeah, me too.
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And like, I remember how exciting that felt. And there's a certain amount of nostalgia
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or and just like affinity that I have for the event where I think about it and it's
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It's just kind of fun. Everybody there loves and cares about the same things that I love
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and care about, that they're all doing the same job. It's a really fun environment
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to be in, and that emotional part of just every time. I mean, I've been to it for
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years, but I still... When it finally comes right before the keynote, and everyone's
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kind of finally found their seats, you're sitting down, the excitement of just being
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there in that room, with everyone's kind of waiting and anticipating what's going to happen,
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what's going to come. And in some ways, it's kind of impactful too, because the things
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that are about to be announced are potentially completely up-end my business, or change dramatically
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what I'm planning to do for the next three or four months. And so that puts a bit of
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stakes on the announcements, and so then being there for it, there's such an emotional,
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excitement that comes from it that I think I would miss even more than like, you know,
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I would really be sad to not have the labs, but just to not have that feeling of like,
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I don't know, excitement is the best word I have of just, while I don't love getting
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up really early in the morning and standing out in the San Francisco, I guess, winter,
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because it's freezing cold in June, but standing outside in that San Francisco winter where
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it's just freezing cold and you're kind of just like mulling around for a few hours before
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they let you in, which who knows, maybe at this new civic auditorium they'll have a better
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scheme for that rather than just wrapping us around the block three times. But there's
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just something exciting about it. And if you're a developer who's never been to WWDC, it's
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a hard thing to explain that feeling. If you're looking at it and it's like, "You know, I
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get pretty much all the information I need from just staying at home, that is absolutely
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true. There's no strict need to go to WWDC. The videos are live streamed. If you have
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questions and problems and that was something that would have been helpful to go to the
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labs, there are people at Apple you can reach out to. There's a whole evangelism team whose
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job it is to field similar types of questions, but it's just never going to be the same.
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And so I would encourage most people, especially if you've never been, to try it.
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Like put your name in and, you know, obviously everyone's mileage will differ, and you
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may just find it not really your thing.
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But for me, every year I've come back, I've always wanted to go back the next year.
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I've never gone to WWDC and then come back and said, "You know what?
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That's probably it for me.
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I'm probably done."
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Every year I come back just more and more excited, even as things have changed.
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have been a wildly different thing. Back in 2009, what would that have been they were
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announcing? iOS, or probably iPhone OS 4? Something like that? It is so much has changed
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since then. It's kind of the crazy things I remember when they introduced iCloud. That
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was a big deal at one of them. That was Steve's last presentation, or his last big one at
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least. Yeah, it was certainly, and I mean, obviously that side of things is even more
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more crazy when I think about the fact that I had the privilege of seeing Steve Jobs'
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keynotes. That's kind of special in a way that's almost a little overwhelming. Having
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been able to--I think I saw two or three that he presented at, and just seeing the legend
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is really cool. So that's kind of where I am. But I think, like you say, I'm going
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out either way. No matter what, I will be in San Francisco from the Sunday before to
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the Friday after. I will be there if I have a ticket. Awesome. As you say, it's lovely
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to give some structure. If I don't, I don't really know what I'll do during the day. I
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imagine I will watch some of the sessions. Maybe I'll do a bit more actual programming
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rather than watching and thinking about programming, which I don't know if that's better or worse.
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be a little easier to socialize a bit more. But one way or the other, I'm going to be
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there. Because I think even not being past the door and being inside, there's still
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something exciting about going to a place. Because I think I remember, I think it was
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Jason Snell was talking about this, where it used to be—there were events like Macworld
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Expo, which was a place where people could go to be around like-minded people, people
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who cared about the same kind of things, and there's something kind of fun and exciting
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about that. And now, the main event for Apple-minded people, where if you go there and just sort
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of, like, buy osmosis, we'll be surrounded by people who care about the same stuff. It's
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that one week, this week, in San Francisco. And so, I would just go just for that, just
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to be around these people. There are many people who I only see once a year, and I see
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them in San Francisco during WVDC. And like, I have friends, you know, sort of like whole
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friendships just based on that. And so it's kind of fun to just have that as a thing.
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Oh yeah. I mean, that's why like the idea of not going out there at all just didn't
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even occur to me. That's why as soon as the date was firmly announced yesterday, I
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booked the flight. And I don't know if I'm going to have the conference badge or not
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yet, but I booked the flight. And I booked the hotel months ago because hotels are easily
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cancelable for no money. And so like I booked the stuff because the idea of not going never
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even entered my mind. Of course I'm going. This is like this is the one conference that
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happens every year that it is like a fixed block on my calendar. It is non-negotiable.
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Like it would take a lot for me not to go. Like it would have to be like some like massive
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family event like having a baby. Like then I wouldn't go. But otherwise like it would
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be it would take a lot for me not to go to this whether I have a ticket or not.
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And you know the a little bit more on having tickets or not in a second but first I wanted
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to thank our sponsor this week.
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We were sponsored this week we decided to do something a little different this week
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we're sponsored this week by ourselves and our own apps because we both have apps that
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you can buy and it turns out we have a way to advertise for fairly low money here because
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we don't have to pay ourselves and we have to for our own stuff.
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So my half of this advertisement is, please, I would love it if you can give Overcast a
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try and if you're already an Overcast user and if you're not a patron yet, I'd love it
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if you could become a patron.
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You get a cool dark mode and you get to support the service and support server costs and stuff
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like that and my amazing extravagant lifestyle.
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I would like to encourage you, if you do not already, to try one of my fitness and wellness
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So I make a couple of apps.
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They tend to have a plus plus at the end of them.
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is pedometer++, sleep++, and activity++, apps that help you measure and understand
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your fitness and level of activity throughout the day and hopefully help you to make more
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active choices. And so if you haven't already, please go check either some of those apps
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out or Marco's Overcast and give us a try and support us that way. If you listen to
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this and you like the way we speak, maybe you'll like the things we make too.
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So if you're planning on going into WWDC without a ticket,
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there are a couple things that I would add to this
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just a little bit.
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So first of all, I agree with you, David.
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I'm a little concerned about what the heck
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I would do all day.
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The good thing is there are a lot of people
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who go out there without tickets.
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And so there are little gatherings.
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Sometimes some of the local companies,
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like I think Twitter hosted a keynote watching party
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last year, was that right?
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- That sounds right, yeah.
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- Yeah, and so sometimes local San Francisco companies
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who have offices in the area will host developer
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get-togethers and meetups and little events
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to watch some of the live streams.
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A lot of some people will just watch them,
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they'll rent a little conference room in the hotel
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that they're in and just have a small gathering
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of people to watch them there,
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or people will just watch them privately
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in little groups of two or three friends together.
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So there are a lot of people who go out there.
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The only thing is, if you already know people,
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if you already have established friends and contacts
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who will be there, it's a lot easier.
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If you're going out there and you don't know anybody yet,
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I highly suggest trying to get that ticket.
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Because it's a lot, it's not that it can't be done
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to go out there without knowing anybody
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and find people and make new friends,
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but it's a lot harder if you don't have a ticket.
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'Cause if you're in the conference building,
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then you're gonna be walking around
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and everybody around you is gonna be an iOS developer
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or a Mac developer, or a soon to be iOS or Mac developer.
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Everyone around you is gonna be part of that social group
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and there's gonna be so many other people there
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who, in the building, who are looking to meet people,
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looking to socialize, and looking to make new friends,
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looking to make contacts.
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Whereas if you're walking around the streets
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or sitting in a hotel room, it's harder.
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Again, it can be done, but it's harder.
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So if it's your first time out there,
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if you don't have a lot of friends already in the community,
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I do highly suggest trying to get that ticket.
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It will help a lot.
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And otherwise, if you are,
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regardless of whether you know anybody out there or not,
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If you're going out there to hang out
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and to meet new people, don't be afraid
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to go up to people who you see, who you recognize,
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if they're well-known developers or podcasters
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or bloggers, whatever, go up to them and say hi.
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Do not be the person who sits back and then tweets later,
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oh, I saw Jon Gruber today, but I was too scared to say hi.
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Because you know what?
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All of us people who you might know in this community,
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we're all just normal people.
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It's not like we're Brad Pitt.
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You don't have to be worried about coming up and saying hi
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'cause it's really cool for us to have anybody
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in real life know who we are because that's amazing
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because every day is not like that.
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And so go up to people.
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I think you will find that this is a very friendly community
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and we are all, the vast majority of us,
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are all socially awkward geeks.
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And so if you are worried,
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if you are a socially awkward geek,
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you don't need to be worried about that because all of us are and we are very welcoming and
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we are likely just as nervous trying to have conversations with people we don't know as
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you might be, but please come up and talk to anybody you find who you recognize. Also,
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don't be afraid to @reply, to mention people on Twitter, to ask people like, "Hey, where
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are you hanging out tonight? Are there any good parties that you might know or any good
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gatherings that are public or whatever. If you need access into a certain group of social
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community or group of friends who you're trying to meet or certain developer or certain
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writer or whatever else, you can be a little forthcoming. You don't have to stalk anybody,
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but you can be a little forthcoming because this is ultimately a very open community,
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to new people, welcoming of new people, and there's so many people out there who are all
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basically the same kind of person. We all like the same stuff. Many of us, as I said,
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are geeks, and we all like to say hi to people who share a common interest. So it's totally
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okay to be a little forward socially in meeting people when you're out there.
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Yeah, because I think, and just to extend that too, I remember clearly that first year
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going out to WWDC and knowing nobody. I couldn't think of one person that I knew when I was
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going out there. And at this point, my apps weren't particularly well known. It wasn't
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like I had a podcast or a blog or something that people would know me by. I was so fairly
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knew it did this. But I still had people that I admired, people that I respected, that I
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had in the back of my mind, like, "How cool would it be to meet these people?" And it
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took a lot of effort, and I remember it being very difficult to force myself to not just
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go back to my hotel room every night and go to sleep or whatever, or just work on my code,
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or things like that. It was so easy, and always the path of least resistance is always like,
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"You know what? I could go to this event, or I could go and just hang out at the Moscone
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Center. I could do that. Or I could not, and I could just have dinner by myself and then
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go back to my hotel room." And some nights I would have the courage to go out, and some
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nights I didn't. And the reality, though, looking back, is I wouldn't have the friends
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I have now and the connections I have in our community if every night I had just gone,
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had dinner by myself, and then went back to my hotel. I have dear and precious friends
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to me now who I got to know because at some point I went up to somebody and said, "Hi,
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I'm David Smith, I love your work, and it's a pleasure to meet you. There are so many
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people who I just admired and respected who then that's how I met that way. I mean, it's
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weird when they say that, "That's how I met you, Marco."
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Yeah, in front of the W.
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I remember meeting you at WWDC, and if I could have told my past self, "In a couple years
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you'll be doing a podcast with Marco," it would have sounded completely absurd to me.
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Like at this point, I think I was a big Build and Analyze fan, and it was this kind of whole
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thing. And you never know how these things are going to play out, and you just never
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know. But if you don't have—if you don't just like, "You know what? I'm going to
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do this." It doesn't feel good, but I know that it'll end up better.
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Like flossing.
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Yeah, whatever, exactly. It's just like flossing.
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Meeting us is like flossing.
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Exactly. It's such a wonderful analogy. But I definitely would encourage people to
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do that. And sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't. Sometimes you'll have really awkward
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interactions that feel like, "Man, that didn't really go well." But other times it really
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will. And it's the kind of thing—there's no magic answer for socializing. It's not
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like, "Oh, here's these three things that you should do," but it's the kind of thing
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that you just keep doing, and then you'll look back on and see how those moments of
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of just being like, you know what,
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I'm gonna go up and say hello.
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Well, eventually, you do it enough, it gets easier,
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and it starts to build some real connections
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that you can look back on and kind of just be amazed.
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- Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes.
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So I guess that's all the time we have for this week.
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Thank you, everybody, for listening.
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I hope that if you have the means and opportunity
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to consider going to WBC.
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I hope you register to get a ticket,
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'cause you have to do that basically now
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to have a chance of getting it.
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For everybody who registered
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who really needs that ticket to go, I hope you get one.
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And I look forward to seeing everybody this year.
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- Yeah, I imagine you'll be able to,
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one way or the other, you'll be able to find Marco and I
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in San Francisco, so if you see us, by all means, say hi.
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- You can definitely spot David by the color of his shirt.
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It's usually very bright and blue.
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Basically the brighter version of the color
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of OS X folders.
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Is that about right?
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- That's about right, yeah.
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Or maybe I think the better one to go for is
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if you have one of those blue developer watches
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that Apple Watch, you know, Apple put out
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when Apple Watch was first introduced.
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If you see something that's that blue,
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that's probably me.
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All right, thanks for listening everybody
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and always floss and we will talk to you next week.
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I don't floss.