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277: Stormtroopers Are People

 

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  number 377 to Center 2015 [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Snell [TS]

  it's finally here after many years and [TS]

  many podcasts devoted to a film that had [TS]

  not yet opened and that we had not yet [TS]

  seen it has opened and we have seen it [TS]

  and so in the first of our perhaps [TS]

  endless series of episodes about star [TS]

  wars the force awakens i am joined by [TS]

  three people who with who I've been [TS]

  talking about this film since before it [TS]

  had a name or a director but Dad more'n [TS]

  hello doctors doctors you it's hard to [TS]

  tell the world [TS]

  also joining me of course serenity [TS]

  Caldwell [TS]

  hello droid please people group [TS]

  and uh and also here I wouldn't do this [TS]

  without John siracusa hello [TS]

  you know we start working always don't [TS]

  need a director named they just need a [TS]

  number that's the number for us to hang [TS]

  our hat on a Roman numeral that's all we [TS]

  need [TS]

  where the Roman numerals a long time ago [TS]

  in a galaxy far far away [TS]

  let's ponder how they weren't there not [TS]

  in the movie they're only in the crawl [TS]

  the crawl is written by people who are [TS]

  the crawlers canonical jason i wanna [TS]

  hear another word to crawl [TS]

  yeah but it's not from a galaxy far far [TS]

  away it's the cross for us anyway that [TS]

  is to existential that will be another [TS]

  episode that will do probably next like [TS]

  thursday so anybody have any opening [TS]

  statements [TS]

  John yeah Ren anybody I I'm with the [TS]

  opening statements box is open now who [TS]

  would like to give a statement i will [TS]

  give a statement alright so I my [TS]

  statement is just it's a Star Wars movie [TS]

  guys huh [TS]

  it is a movie without going into details [TS]

  will go and very shortly [TS]

  it is a film that feels like it belongs [TS]

  in the star wars universe [TS]

  it made me feel like I was watching star [TS]

  wars the entire time i had the same [TS]

  stupid grin as i do when i watch the [TS]

  original trilogy it feels it feels like [TS]

  a Star Wars movie and that was the that [TS]

  was my number one criteria going in is [TS]

  that it i wanted it to feel like a star [TS]

  wars we didn't have to be beautiful it [TS]

  didn't have to be perfect but i wanted [TS]

  to have that energy and I on that it has [TS]

  fulfilled i agree i was i was thinking [TS]

  this is sort of people like the prequels [TS]

  are gonna hate this but the first Star [TS]

  Wars movie in 32 years John do you have [TS]

  an opening statement i do I was you know [TS]

  dang go first [TS]

  alright i can do you have anything skin [TS]

  which is a shorter I don't even know why [TS]

  not i like to make mine up on the spot [TS]

  that's that's been the trend lately so [TS]

  now are now i'm doing that's where they [TS]

  got the last get the last spot know you [TS]

  is an instigator of you opening [TS]

  statements you get that you get the [TS]

  coveted findings dieter that's the [TS]

  Bourbon instigator innovators run ashore [TS]

  here whenever got 32 more hours of [TS]

  podcasting do again [TS]

  yep yes that's right away visit the [TS]

  telethon the next 12 hours will be your [TS]

  dance phone and what would you what [TS]

  would you like to say i would like to [TS]

  say that I i really i really enjoyed [TS]

  this movie and I agree that you know for [TS]

  the first time in decades it's a did [TS]

  feel like I was watching a Star Wars [TS]

  movie [TS]

  what I'm most fascinated by is this as [TS]

  the launchpad for this next this you [TS]

  know latest chapter in the Star Wars [TS]

  franchise saga depending on how you want [TS]

  to call it [TS]

  uh-huh having seen this movie I'm i [TS]

  think there's too many choices which [TS]

  will go into discussing but i think i'm [TS]

  i'm actually really kind of jazz to see [TS]

  what the rest of this trilogy looks like [TS]

  knows [TS]

  yeah they've raised some very [TS]

  interesting things but overall it was [TS]

  fun it's a lot i would argue it might be [TS]

  funnier than any other star wars movie [TS]

  intentionally sorry 99 the prequels [TS]

  which are hilarious but i think it might [TS]

  be the most intentionally funny of a [TS]

  star wars movies which I which is a [TS]

  weird feeling and most of all is weird [TS]

  to go into a brand new Star Wars movie [TS]

  that I've only seen once that was good i [TS]

  don't like that's just a weird feeling [TS]

  you have right now but it's generally a [TS]

  pleasing feeling John take it away huh [TS]

  yep [TS]

  alright so this is just we're recording [TS]

  this one day after seeing this movie for [TS]

  the first time and a very long build-up [TS]

  i wish i was in the theater 24 hours ago [TS]

  right now watching it for the first oh [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  yep summer so it's kind of hard for me [TS]

  to get a handle on in terms of like the [TS]

  grandiose opening statements that I had [TS]

  like prepared for years here and scamper [TS]

  Empire Strikes Back you're never right [TS]

  so just to give this couple head [TS]

  counselor and and i'll give a longer [TS]

  like summary assessment I'm sure we all [TS]

  will of the of the movie at the end sure [TS]

  we've discussed all the spoilers and [TS]

  everything but if you want like a [TS]

  spoiler-free capsule review here's what [TS]

  I'd say the force awakens is a good [TS]

  movie with many small problems [TS]

  none of which over overwhelm it's [TS]

  essential goodness I thought I keep [TS]

  coming back to which doesn't really make [TS]

  any sense but it's stuck in my head is [TS]

  the world is safe for Star Wars movies [TS]

  again huh [TS]

  the force awakens is just you know the [TS]

  opening move it went in what will be a [TS]

  steady stream of new movies in this [TS]

  universe it's respectful of its origins [TS]

  it's competently made it opens far more [TS]

  doors than it closes and it makes me [TS]

  excited about Star Wars again and you [TS]

  could say what more could a star wars [TS]

  fan a score well I could ask for a hell [TS]

  of a lot more but what we got is pretty [TS]

  good and I will love is my life I do [TS]

  have an opening statement but it's [TS]

  actually very similar to John's which is [TS]

  I think I feel like this film had a [TS]

  couple of jobs that had to do because [TS]

  yes it's a work of art in there acting [TS]

  and current crafts that are involved but [TS]

  it's also the first film release from [TS]

  disney after buying Lucasfilm for [TS]

  billions of dollars so it has to do I [TS]

  think two jobs one of the jobs is it [TS]

  needs to feel like Star Wars and make [TS]

  people like Star Wars movies again and [TS]

  make them feel like they did when the [TS]

  original Star Wars movies were were [TS]

  released it needs to have that star wars [TS]

  eNOS about it right and job number two [TS]

  is it needs to set this thing up as an [TS]

  ongoing venture so it needs to look [TS]

  backward and tie into the past but also [TS]

  build up for the future and those are [TS]

  tricky and you do too much one and it's [TS]

  a nostalgia trip and not much more you [TS]

  do too much of the other and you leave [TS]

  maybe the existing fanbase waiting by [TS]

  the door and what I would say about this [TS]

  before we blow this boiler horn is it [TS]

  did both jobs [TS]

  it did the job that needed to do and the [TS]

  result is a movie that was extremely [TS]

  enjoyable I liked it a lot but I'm [TS]

  impressed by the fact that managed to [TS]

  walk that line between being a fan [TS]

  service for the people who love Star [TS]

  Wars know it by heart and leaving the [TS]

  story at a point where you're thinking [TS]

  more about the future than the past for [TS]

  maybe the first time since returned to [TS]

  the Jedi came out so that's my opening [TS]

  statement should we fire off the spoiler [TS]

  horn now for the other moms know what [TS]

  nobody wants to diagnose Oilers let's [TS]

  just pretend we can talk about education [TS]

  more let's talk about that they had no [TS]

  let's talk let's analyze that trailer [TS]

  now that we've seen the movie [TS]

  again trailer conducted do you like that [TS]

  trailer John not inside that trailer was [TS]

  awesome so glad and watching but boy [TS]

  that was a good travel trailer [TS]

  yeah it was it was I can't watch the [TS]

  movie again and help us watch the [TS]

  trailer again it's pretty good pretty [TS]

  good trailer pretty good trail right [TS]

  here it goes were firing up the spoiler [TS]

  horn if you have not seen don't know how [TS]

  this is possible are you listening this [TS]

  force awakens don't listen any further [TS]

  unless you're a bad person who likes [TS]

  spoiler [TS]

  alright Luke Skywalker has vanished [TS]

  luton guy Locker has its and a super [TS]

  excited by the way because that was one [TS]

  of those tidbits that had somehow made [TS]

  its way into my conscience there was all [TS]

  this like where's Luke stop mark hamill [TS]

  tweeted a great picture of him reading [TS]

  USA Today that had like a story where's [TS]

  Luke and it's like him peeking over the [TS]

  paper I i saw that picture and and the [TS]

  how it managed not to spoil me was [TS]

  because I thought the whole like me [TS]

  after I quickly scroll past it was the [TS]

  idea that hey he's not in the poster [TS]

  he's not in the trailer and if you go [TS]

  there holding him back as you know JJ's [TS]

  all about like withholding that's what i [TS]

  thought it was about like oh you're not [TS]

  going to see him to get to see the real [TS]

  movie haha true that's it it's kind of a [TS]

  little bit of both [TS]

  it's not a gets as much teasing as it is [TS]

  actually yeah i think i had heard rumors [TS]

  about the fact that as a character he is [TS]

  supposedly missing at this point in time [TS]

  or maybe I'd stumbled across the legal [TS]

  action and so no idea about that but I [TS]

  love like the the opening of the scroll [TS]

  at how else could you better open the [TS]

  scroll because he is the one most [TS]

  appease the most important character in [TS]

  the Star Wars right right like yeah and [TS]

  and the first sentences he has vanished [TS]

  like well there you got steaks [TS]

  immediately is making and it was it was [TS]

  good from the perspective of feeling [TS]

  like worrying i was going to be spoiled [TS]

  to be like oh that's right up front I [TS]

  feel good [TS]

  quickly learned that much that's great [TS]

  okay we're starting their right and [TS]

  you're already you're already invested [TS]

  in that because you care that looks like [TS]

  our has vanished why would you not you [TS]

  know exactly what is he had three movies [TS]

  and he's like super important [TS]

  yeah yeah it's much better than some of [TS]

  the other calls and we could talk about [TS]

  know it's great it's the first sensible [TS]

  girl guys you know who's there are no [TS]

  trade disputes in the cross no it'sit's [TS]

  I i was struck by that while we're star [TS]

  afterward Lauren told me that she she [TS]

  had that moment when she was sitting [TS]

  there and I'm sure we all had this at [TS]

  some point in the movie where you're [TS]

  like for her was I don't know what the [TS]

  next words are going to be like as it [TS]

  said episode 7 she's like wow I don't [TS]

  know what's in the crawl which is a and [TS]

  for me it was I don't know what what's [TS]

  going to what we're going to see when [TS]

  the crawl is over and we pan down [TS]

  famously as you doing all the Star Wars [TS]

  movies anymore anything more about the [TS]

  crawl i get to see the infinity that is [TS]

  the first sort of [TS]

  somewhat problematic issue is the the [TS]

  one thing that I feel like this movie [TS]

  doesn't have a good hand on is the like [TS]

  sort of galactic politicals didn't like [TS]

  situation because like there's a [TS]

  republic not politics for you ate it but [TS]

  yeah I need some trade negotiations [TS]

  please no Senate chamber there's a [TS]

  republic but its backing a resistance [TS]

  that is like separately banking areas in [TS]

  the area but it see it that's not really [TS]

  up it ends up being kind of weirdly a [TS]

  point but also not really a point very [TS]

  odd it's a brand-new yeah i mean the [TS]

  movie did not spend a lot of time on it [TS]

  i am sure that there were scenes at some [TS]

  point that were cut but regardless i [TS]

  don't think that it made that much of a [TS]

  difference in the plot it just for those [TS]

  of us who like lots and lots of little [TS]

  world-building tidbits and I cannot [TS]

  believe we're complaining about [TS]

  government after complaining for three [TS]

  episodes about how the prequel focus too [TS]

  much on it [TS]

  I but i think that the amount of hand [TS]

  waving there is actually all right [TS]

  especially I'm trying to put myself back [TS]

  in the mindset of original trilogy right [TS]

  where when we didn't have Empire and we [TS]

  didn't have Jedi as like these are the [TS]

  things that come next and we know about [TS]

  this and I'm like does the does the the [TS]

  political situation makes sense in in a [TS]

  new hope [TS]

  yeah i mean they talked a lot about the [TS]

  Galactic Senate the Senate not being [TS]

  there any more than there are things and [TS]

  there's a Rebel Alliance despite the [TS]

  fact that there's a Senate like there's [TS]

  there's some stuff there that I feel [TS]

  like is not necessarily equally [TS]

  confusing but I don't blame Abrams for [TS]

  glossing over it especially because we [TS]

  got three movies of trade negotiations [TS]

  like we might hear more about the geo [TS]

  political spectrum in the next movie [TS]

  which would be okay or knowing ryan [TS]

  Johnson MHP about characters and like [TS]

  weird dream sequences and I'd be okay [TS]

  with that too i think my point was more [TS]

  than it could have I think it could have [TS]

  been simplified further I'm and that was [TS]

  just adding a third party there with the [TS]

  Republic the first order and the [TS]

  resistance was just kind of a decision [TS]

  for me again not enough to hamper any of [TS]

  my job [TS]

  roll like liking of this movie overall [TS]

  it was just one of those things where I [TS]

  kind of took me out of things [TS]

  yeah my only my only reason for that for [TS]

  for saying oh well it sort of makes [TS]

  sense is there is a point in the movie [TS]

  spoiler horn where the capital of the [TS]

  Republic is theoretically blown up yeah [TS]

  and then that becomes a lot harder to [TS]

  explain if it's just the Republican the [TS]

  first-order fighting each other because [TS]

  that's like well the capital of the [TS]

  Republic was blown up but Prince land [TS]

  and the general and her base was not [TS]

  blown up and there's other stuff but [TS]

  there was the majority of the fleet was [TS]

  blown up but also not this fleet so why [TS]

  why weren't they on that like there [TS]

  there there are potential plot holes [TS]

  there that i think would also be [TS]

  confusing from a different angle the [TS]

  long answer I guess the short answer is [TS]

  they wanted to reset back to like know [TS]

  there's a scary big first order and the [TS]

  tiny bit of scrap long as it's like they [TS]

  said they needed something for the big [TS]

  weapon to hit the Republicans and there [TS]

  is a target which is a problem i think [TS]

  later in the movie the whole Republic [TS]

  it's like well you know we don't explain [TS]

  too much better probably just don't get [TS]

  too attached to their companies because [TS]

  yeah just wait about 55 minutes and then [TS]

  the Republican but but on the other hand [TS]

  if there's no Republic what the hell [TS]

  does a superhit they don't even know at [TS]

  that point where the resistance is like [TS]

  well we know where the Republic planets [TS]

  are we could take them out and so that's [TS]

  that structurally little problem but I [TS]

  think you're right that eventually it's [TS]

  like we wanted we want to reset to [TS]

  scrappy factions because that's more [TS]

  that's more exciting and that's why it [TS]

  kind of doesn't matter [TS]

  um because in the end when you're [TS]

  watching a movie you can revert to star [TS]

  wars terms which is there a storm [TS]

  troopers flying those ships and their [TS]

  bad and then there are the rebels [TS]

  essentially flying be ships and they're [TS]

  good and the other details kind of don't [TS]

  matter even though and perhaps or the [TS]

  business for ancillary materials but I i [TS]

  agree that if you think about it it's a [TS]

  little distracting and the reason that [TS]

  it's still in there is exactly what John [TS]

  said it's like you you need to have [TS]

  something to be threatened and the you [TS]

  know the Alderaan proxy in this story is [TS]

  the the the home planets of the of this [TS]

  of this Republic but i think if you look [TS]

  at the insulating material they talk [TS]

  about a little more the idea that [TS]

  it was a you know after Return of the [TS]

  Jedi the galaxy kind of got carved into [TS]

  where there are places where the Empire [TS]

  sort of still held sway and there are [TS]

  places where the where the Republic kind [TS]

  of took it back over and then the first [TS]

  order is sort of a a a movement that is [TS]

  trying to integrate yeah that's trying [TS]

  to take over [TS]

  you know it's like a it's almost like a [TS]

  dark jedi sith like splinter group [TS]

  trying to reassert the power of the old [TS]

  Empire and so it's kind of a four-party [TS]

  content which is which is super again [TS]

  which is I'm glad that's not you know [TS]

  talked about a lot in the movie yes to [TS]

  my politics i feel like i got done with [TS]

  a sentence or two here there but again [TS]

  fairly minor a pic and I I just think [TS]

  back to some of our earlier podcasts [TS]

  like theorizing what's going to be [TS]

  please see ancillary materials we have [TS]

  provided a pending Tom about like oh [TS]

  well what has happened since like [TS]

  because it's so hard to mop up all that [TS]

  like remaining empire after the death [TS]

  star has gone right like it just give up [TS]

  right and so I i guess i was looking [TS]

  forward to a little bit of that [TS]

  explanation of like what what the hell [TS]

  happened [TS]

  well this isn't about opening more doors [TS]

  than it closes though because like sure [TS]

  when you watch this movie but what my [TS]

  wife said well I thought it as well as [TS]

  like they can have prequel to these [TS]

  groceries [TS]

  yeah and movies are set up for people [TS]

  like this happens after Return of the [TS]

  Jedi it's like yeah but with enough room [TS]

  between where you can have prequels to [TS]

  be like oh I want to see the bottle of [TS]

  the battle of jakku and understand what [TS]

  the whole you know like you can a [TS]

  standalone you can have standalone such [TS]

  and I think that's where a lot of the [TS]

  bad books and comics are sorry seems [TS]

  really in this in this in this open [TS]

  space [TS]

  yes there's a crawl and it has lots of [TS]

  politics in it that are very much like [TS]

  okay politics anyway let's let's move on [TS]

  to the movie and the movie takes us to [TS]

  this a shot of jakku which is a planet [TS]

  where there's a lot of garbage because [TS]

  there was a space battle there a long [TS]

  time ago and the opening shot we get is [TS]

  of a galactic what is it like a Star [TS]

  Destroyer that's a that's a in [TS]

  silhouette and then you see the shit [TS]

  yeah and then you see the ships coming [TS]

  out of it and into the light and that's [TS]

  I thought that was a really clever image [TS]

  that we haven't seen before in these in [TS]

  these star wars it's a very j [TS]

  Abrams image it's similar to the one [TS]

  that's right before the opening credits [TS]

  in Star Trek actually yeah and I don't [TS]

  necessarily think that's a bad thing [TS]

  it's a it's a very different angle that [TS]

  we've got none star was open and crawls [TS]

  before and I'd I was a little thrown out [TS]

  of it I'm like wait a second there are [TS]

  two planets and we're coming from below [TS]

  oh ok it's out it's a nice it's a nice [TS]

  way I think of entering this universe is [TS]

  saying like this is a Star Wars film but [TS]

  also this is very much JJ Abrams is star [TS]

  wars film this is an honor this is your [TS]

  parent star wars hell yeah we're going [TS]

  to we're going to have dimensions guys [TS]

  time for a brief break let me send you a [TS]

  message from our good friends at cards [TS]

  against humanity it is an honor and [TS]

  privilege for us at cards against [TS]

  humanity response to this very special [TS]

  episode of the incomparable at the time [TS]

  of recording we have not actually seen [TS]

  the new Star Wars movie but we want to [TS]

  send our congratulations on a wonderful [TS]

  film that is sure to become an instant [TS]

  classic our condolences on the death of [TS]

  a film franchise that meant so much to [TS]

  us as kids or are middling satisfaction [TS]

  at a safe reboot that met the bare [TS]

  minimum of our own insane expectations [TS]

  we were either impressed the JJ Abrams [TS]

  was able to show us inventive new worlds [TS]

  and characters or we were really [TS]

  disappointed to see Disney strip-mine [TS]

  all the remaining your way out of a [TS]

  bunch of tired old tropes at least the [TS]

  visual effects were either incredible or [TS]

  just okay this movie either made us feel [TS]

  like kids again or ruined our childhoods [TS]

  once and for all but either way we'll be [TS]

  excited to hear about it on the [TS]

  uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks to our friends at cards against [TS]

  humanity gonna say the first of what is [TS]

  a sure to be many controversial [TS]

  statements of offering the prequels in [TS]

  this podcast but i think that vo the [TS]

  opening crawl pan down and next like [TS]

  three to five seconds of film or [TS]

  whatever of the prequels feel more like [TS]

  traditional star wars than this one does [TS]

  after this one is bad but I think you're [TS]

  right that it's like JJ putting his [TS]

  stamp on it but if you like what feels [TS]

  like clip what feels like classic George [TS]

  Lucas traditional star wars the pan down [TS]

  from the opening crawl in episodes 1 2 & [TS]

  3 100-percent all feel exactly like [TS]

  spike classic traditional rodeo [TS]

  trilogy Star Wars me this one did not [TS]

  feel like that which is not necessarily [TS]

  a bad thing I think is going to be a [TS]

  theme for the entire movie i think it's [TS]

  like that that what I talk about in [TS]

  passing it has to feel like Star Wars is [TS]

  feeling like Star Wars like Ren said [TS]

  like oh this is a Star Wars movie and [TS]

  it's feeling like Star Wars as in it [TS]

  feels like the original trilogy and I [TS]

  don't think it has to work should feel [TS]

  exactly like the original trilogy but it [TS]

  really shows like you know it it it [TS]

  wakes you up and you know the subsequent [TS]

  seeing that we will discuss with you [TS]

  about to say this is star wars but it is [TS]

  not the star wars that you remember it [TS]

  is not going to be yes so tied down to [TS]

  the original trilogy mindset because [TS]

  seriously just go pull up episode 123 [TS]

  and watch the first seven seconds after [TS]

  the crawl [TS]

  they feel so freaking star wars ii those [TS]

  sounds are such great Star Wars movies [TS]

  if you only watch the first yeah [TS]

  then stop and you know reject don't read [TS]

  the chrome just that this part of the [TS]

  crawl [TS]

  yeah initial imagery yeah and i'm not [TS]

  sure but visually speaking that's the [TS]

  most the the strongest thing there's a [TS]

  lot of theaters are dark and you don't [TS]

  get a lot of shadow detail and so I'm [TS]

  not that big a fan of the particular [TS]

  opening shot but that's it's a minor [TS]

  detail i think the opening the other [TS]

  thing it is the opening set piece of you [TS]

  know the stormtroopers and all that [TS]

  stuff again seemingly intentional move [TS]

  away from the way star wars were shot [TS]

  the things you normally see the subject [TS]

  matter we immediately [TS]

  Jason you mentioned earlier like the [TS]

  whole like there's bad guys and good [TS]

  guys [TS]

  these movies immediately go into gray [TS]

  areas that none of the original trilogy [TS]

  touched [TS]

  well the fact that stormtroopers are [TS]

  people with many other people people [TS]

  with Johnson feelings and who are going [TS]

  to eventually be involved in the plot of [TS]

  this movie in a non-trivial way as [TS]

  opposed to being you know either closed [TS]

  or cookie cutter things [TS]

  yeah yep it's really interesting and for [TS]

  he for me this is where the i'm not [TS]

  going to call it necessarily a rewriting [TS]

  but the Limoges to New Hope start [TS]

  because UD even even from the from the [TS]

  very beginning you've got the inversion [TS]

  of the Star Destroyer type type ship and [TS]

  then you immediately go into the hangar [TS]

  with with stormtroopers so instead of [TS]

  seeing the [TS]

  you know the people preparing for a [TS]

  stormtrooper attack we actually get the [TS]

  stormtroopers we get a close-up of a [TS]

  bunch of stormtroopers in a hangar as [TS]

  they're speeding down to the planet's [TS]

  surface which is as you guys are saying [TS]

  it's like it's already such a [TS]

  interesting subversion the idea that oh [TS]

  yeah we're actually going to spend some [TS]

  time with with the troopers on a are [TS]

  like what we're going to spend a [TS]

  micro-level interaction with the dark [TS]

  side and the evil empire / first or [TS]

  because of their I mean there's always [TS]

  been scenes with the darkside folks but [TS]

  it's never been it's never been personal [TS]

  stuff unless it's the empire the emperor [TS]

  and Darth Vader it's always been kind of [TS]

  like yeah the Empire's this big giant [TS]

  glob Oh people and individualizing the [TS]

  very quickly is fascinating especially [TS]

  as we get to jakku at an end of [TS]

  individualizing also the infantry [TS]

  because I feel like an original trilogy [TS]

  you spend some time with characters who [TS]

  had metals on their chests and they had [TS]

  you know minor personality traits and [TS]

  you know boardroom squabbles and brushes [TS]

  with death while talking to Vader and [TS]

  various other things that they made the [TS]

  major string but once you got down to [TS]

  the rank-and-file those movies were not [TS]

  interested in except for maybe did you [TS]

  see the you know those two stormtroopers [TS]

  talking to each other about that [TS]

  whatever-it-was in your spirits and [TS]

  stuff in new help [TS]

  yeah but their droids yeah but this one [TS]

  seems much more interested in making you [TS]

  recognize that you know that that [TS]

  everybody has their reasons even the [TS]

  rank-and-file stormtroopers like that [TS]

  they're so angry at finn later because [TS]

  he's a traitor and that they have lines [TS]

  lines they're not there they are go get [TS]

  them [TS]

  blast them you know I mean like they're [TS]

  yeah that they're clearly people with [TS]

  feelings inside these suits and exercise [TS]

  by saying we maybe have a clone army [TS]

  the interesting thing to me this is [TS]

  where I think that the exploration into [TS]

  the universe in the clone wars animated [TS]

  series and rebels actually has paid [TS]

  dividends in the main in the big star [TS]

  wars movies because I feel like clone [TS]

  wars to you know very specific extent [TS]

  got into the lives of [TS]

  on infantry and you know all of that and [TS]

  I it may be there are parts of this [TS]

  movie that actually feel very much like [TS]

  animated series scenes to me and in a [TS]

  great way in a like oh hey we've learned [TS]

  from you know we've learned from our [TS]

  past prequel mistakes and we have a good [TS]

  idea of how to how to shade more gray [TS]

  and how to show more about this world [TS]

  that we have here 24 kind of just [TS]

  glossed over [TS]

  yeah it's kind of a shot across the bow [TS]

  is in some way to make the characters [TS]

  have sort of individual personalities [TS]

  because it is becoming more you know [TS]

  sort of like let's not worry too much [TS]

  about you know clones even though i [TS]

  think i agree that the clone war series [TS]

  does do a fantastic job of turning those [TS]

  individuals into characters you know [TS]

  sort of the prequels never really dwell [TS]

  on that too much and I think also [TS]

  interestingly from the the stormtroopers [TS]

  perspective you know you think back to [TS]

  the original trilogy and even though the [TS]

  stormtroopers as John mentioned like [TS]

  couple times we catch them having [TS]

  conversations or what have you and they [TS]

  seem to be distinct people different [TS]

  with different personalities [TS]

  it's telling that we never really see [TS]

  any without their armor on even when [TS]

  like on Luke knock out the stormtroopers [TS]

  in the four in New Hope and take their [TS]

  armor we don't see like the trust up [TS]

  around troopers right like we don't see [TS]

  faces you know we we have no idea those [TS]

  are always going to be faceless [TS]

  characters and accept while I mean with [TS]

  the exception really up in here like we [TS]

  still don't really see much of my faces [TS]

  but there are different clearly like [TS]

  different characters under the helmets [TS]

  there's men and women which is great [TS]

  nah not just as much like there's a part [TS]

  later we're like a stormtrooper who [TS]

  reports to one of the other Imperials is [TS]

  clearly a woman's voice is the only [TS]

  different body types as well like yeah [TS]

  exactly guys you recognize that guy [TS]

  I recognize that God before with you at [TS]

  the ammo across his chest or whatever [TS]

  you know [TS]

  yep yeah so I mean that is it is really [TS]

  interesting and it's a good way of [TS]

  distinct like distinguishing itself from [TS]

  both the prequels and the original [TS]

  trilogy is I find this moment that [TS]

  actually reminded me of of the robot [TS]

  chicken star wars where is the robot [TS]

  chicken star wars you know it's all [TS]

  about filling in the gaps between the [TS]

  scenes but things we assume about these [TS]

  movies we've seen so many times and it [TS]

  and and how normal people would react to [TS]

  that and there's a moment like that [TS]

  where [TS]

  kylo Ren is mad that that Ray has [TS]

  escaped and he's smashing up the [TS]

  interrogation room and assume troopers [TS]

  come around the corner and hear the [TS]

  explosion that like slowly back away [TS]

  right oh my god because they're there [TS]

  they're not dumb they're like oh he's [TS]

  having a tantrum we're gonna go they're [TS]

  not you know they're not faceless [TS]

  nameless drones they may have only [TS]

  letters and numbers for their names but [TS]

  they're you know they are still [TS]

  individuals under there and they have to [TS]

  be because Finn one of our main [TS]

  characters is actually a stormtrooper as [TS]

  we as we are about to find out it in my [TS]

  notes here like I was trying to figure [TS]

  out how to break them up by like I had a [TS]

  section that was like good decisions and [TS]

  bad decisions and then I just like I [TS]

  realize that just now down to good bad [TS]

  whatever any of the first bullet point [TS]

  in my good section is the general [TS]

  treatment of all characters as real [TS]

  people and it doesn't just include the [TS]

  bad guys [TS]

  old people are real people young people [TS]

  men women bad guys good guys there are [TS]

  monitoring distance which all complain [TS]

  about in a bit but for the most part the [TS]

  movie is amazingly good at treating [TS]

  everybody as a character maybe not an [TS]

  important character but there's almost [TS]

  nobody here who is categorically [TS]

  pigeonhole let's talk about jakku at [TS]

  night we discover there's a conversation [TS]

  with its maximum Saito and oscar isaac [TS]

  where maximum saito is handing over some [TS]

  information this is in in the the fact [TS]

  that this plot is sort of a remix of a [TS]

  bunch of existing Star Wars plots this [TS]

  is the these are the Death Star plans [TS]

  this is the map to Luke Skywalker and [TS]

  it's being handed over by Max von Sydow [TS]

  who obviously has this this history with [TS]

  with Leia and the resistance and he's [TS]

  got this information and he's passing it [TS]

  on to Oscar Isaac who is powe Dameron [TS]

  her the best pilot in the resistance and [TS]

  he's gonna he and his droid bb-8 are [TS]

  going to take it away and and go back to [TS]

  the resistance [TS]

  except of course the stormtroopers that [TS]

  we just saw taking off they land and [TS]

  abet a big a big battle ensues we get [TS]

  our first view of kylo Ren here who [TS]

  stops a a blaster blast in midair for a [TS]

  while and then when you let go at the [TS]

  end [TS]

  it it continues its path he ends up [TS]

  taking podium ran back with him [TS]

  we also we also meet a storm trooper who [TS]

  gets who sees one of his buddies get [TS]

  killed and the blood from his buddy's [TS]

  hand is on his helmet which helps us [TS]

  identify which stormtrooper it is and he [TS]

  he refuses to participate in the [TS]

  slaughter of the of the village and is [TS]

  obviously very disturbed and and not [TS]

  participating to the point where we're [TS]

  color and actually notices on his way [TS]

  back to to his shuttle [TS]

  yeah i'm interested by that choice [TS]

  because I i wondered at the time you [TS]

  know i think i read very much into that [TS]

  as some sort of possibly force related [TS]

  thing would be and and I I think that's [TS]

  still left kind of unclear as of the end [TS]

  of this movie whether or not that is [TS]

  true but it definitely because they talk [TS]

  a little bit about you know he's thin [TS]

  later on in terms of his like how all [TS]

  the stormtroopers are conditioned and [TS]

  programmed from a very early age he [TS]

  mentioned he was taken away from his his [TS]

  family they never knew them and so [TS]

  you're kind of left wondering like well [TS]

  what why did he make this choice if [TS]

  they're also brainwashing condition like [TS]

  what triggered that in him was just [TS]

  seeing you know one of his his other [TS]

  comrades die or is there something more [TS]

  going on is his first battle he says yes [TS]

  it's not as if you know he's being [TS]

  exposed to this but it's true what makes [TS]

  him different and what is kylo Ren [TS]

  noticing there just his lack of [TS]

  participation or is he noticing [TS]

  something else that is special about [TS]

  thin in that moment because he certainly [TS]

  knows enough to know exactly what his [TS]

  his number his serial number is later [TS]

  when it's revealed that he has helped po [TS]

  escape from the Star Destroyer a [TS]

  significant number incidentally his [TS]

  behavior was noteworthy like it was [TS]

  clear that he wasn't firing and his body [TS]

  language that's why we could identify [TS]

  him when he was too far away for us to [TS]

  see the red things we could identify [TS]

  based on its body language don't think [TS]

  you need to read anything into that it's [TS]

  just yet and also it sit there seems to [TS]

  be a precedent in the first order of [TS]

  like sometimes it doesn't take with the [TS]

  stormtroopers also previously had never [TS]

  had he demonstrated any non-compliant [TS]

  behavior before like it's a thing that [TS]

  they watch for apparently so it's not [TS]

  it's not out of bounds of this would [TS]

  happen that the training would always be [TS]

  a hundred percent so I think everything [TS]

  can be explained in the universe in the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  with him just being yet another one of [TS]

  those guys that just happened to this [TS]

  guy who had non-compliant problems he [TS]

  was when he was sent down for like [TS]

  reeducation like they have an HR policy [TS]

  on it already like you know sending down [TS]

  with a reconditioning chamber check his [TS]

  weapon and yeah and it's ending boundary [TS]

  condition we can she said he was he was [TS]

  a little more resourceful than the other [TS]

  guys he had a pilot ready for him and he [TS]

  you know he got out and ended up being a [TS]

  thorn in the side because he's you know [TS]

  he's different he's more adventurous [TS]

  than the other guys that said I think [TS]

  you can also make a strong argument that [TS]

  a lot of the events that transpire in [TS]

  this movie happened as things that would [TS]

  be so this is one of the things that I [TS]

  thought was interesting compared to say [TS]

  you know JJ star trek movie right the [TS]

  first star chick movie i remember having [TS]

  complaints about how certain things are [TS]

  too coincidental Kirk crash land on a [TS]

  planet that is the same planet old Spock [TS]

  is on and you know in Star Trek that [TS]

  doesn't always fly because there's such [TS]

  a heavy influence in like science and [TS]

  reason and rationality thought and all [TS]

  that [TS]

  where's the star wars you do have the [TS]

  elements of the four so you i feel like [TS]

  there is a potentially compelling [TS]

  argument in that these things are [TS]

  happening to these people for reasons [TS]

  that are being dictated by the forest [TS]

  the fact that they these characters meet [TS]

  each other or the fact that they find [TS]

  the morning fuckin not to jump too far [TS]

  ahead but like the fact that Morsi [TS]

  awakening [TS]

  yeah exactly i think that is exactly the [TS]

  point of this my website that's not how [TS]

  the force works [TS]

  look don't get out of the ship because I [TS]

  everything is because of the force is a [TS]

  great plot device because like its way [TS]

  later we had like flashbacks and flash [TS]

  forwards like that is explicitly [TS]

  explained exactly how the force works [TS]

  all you'll see the past and the future [TS]

  and it's always in motion and it's like [TS]

  all great we can go with that is the the [TS]

  ultimate plot device in any kind of [TS]

  movie it's like free foreshadowing and [TS]

  free backstory but but at some point you [TS]

  have to just say like you know these are [TS]

  just people like a bit there's no the [TS]

  force is not like fate right so I don't [TS]

  worry is you know I mean that just I [TS]

  think that's an open discussion [TS]

  well Finn is an open question we don't [TS]

  know I said I just think in this movie [TS]

  they weren't leaning heavily on any [TS]

  hints to defend really like you can [TS]

  everyone can't be for sensitive you [TS]

  gotta lay off a little bit so we'll see [TS]

  we'll see where the second movie goes [TS]

  it's a good [TS]

  there's a good line here where we're a [TS]

  programmer and says to kylo Ren which [TS]

  one of us talk first who talks to talk [TS]

  first hear that that was the first [TS]

  break-in them in [TS]

  movie like because it when you're [TS]

  starting this movie we got the craw [TS]

  we've got the little thing we've got [TS]

  some serious talk about the map looks [TS]

  Skywalker we're concerned about where [TS]

  Luke is and everything like i should [TS]

  always be royalty right and and then you [TS]

  don't know where you're going with this [TS]

  yet right until they track him down in [TS]

  front of a no-collar endows all these [TS]

  scary things that's cool lots of cool [TS]

  battles and shooting bb-8 go to disco to [TS]

  that very serious that's the first break [TS]

  in like cutting the tension and you know [TS]

  what the first character 22 joke to be [TS]

  snarky do not take a situation seriously [TS]

  to use humor as a defense against a very [TS]

  bad situation which is a tone that is [TS]

  extremely prevalent in the original [TS]

  trilogy and this huge stretches of the [TS]

  prequels that are just straightforward [TS]

  and dour and serious and everyone is [TS]

  talking about plot points and super deep [TS]

  feelings and I was sorry master i forgot [TS]

  you didn't like flying [TS]

  yeah it is but there's also it's also a [TS]

  very modern sensibility as far as humor [TS]

  goes like I felt like this was a kind of [TS]

  wine that you would see on like a like a [TS]

  like a Parks and Recreation speed [TS]

  commerce something like that which is [TS]

  which is fine again I think there's a [TS]

  lot of stuff in this movie that is like [TS]

  well you can't make a movie with you [TS]

  know even if its star wars and there's a [TS]

  certain amount of time listens to it you [TS]

  can't make a movie necessarily with the [TS]

  sensibilities of 1977 or 90 80 that you [TS]

  in 2015 it's just some stuff doesn't fly [TS]

  some stuff does but likey [TS]

  and so I felt like this sense of humor [TS]

  in this is snarky and stuff which is [TS]

  totally consistent but it even if L to [TS]

  leave in a little bit more not quite [TS]

  like break the fourth wall ridiculous in [TS]

  some ways but like and I liked it when I [TS]

  enjoyed it I laughed I I'd like I said [TS]

  up front this is I think the funniest [TS]

  written star wars movie of all of them [TS]

  and so I thought that was a way i did [TS]

  not expect it i think that's the other [TS]

  thing is like it was so snarky and so [TS]

  kind of like self-referential in some [TS]

  ways that it seems surprising and [TS]

  jarring but it was still hilarious but a [TS]

  release tension to me because I was like [TS]

  a like it you know is this going to be [TS]

  like the prequels we're just basically [TS]

  in and it's as one is relying on you [TS]

  because you can be honest the whole [TS]

  moving be awesome like c The Godfather [TS]

  right but you can be honest all movie [TS]

  and just totally blow and so this ad is [TS]

  like yet source is filled with humor [TS]

  like having just watch the original [TS]

  trilogy leading up to this [TS]

  you just reminded of just it'sit's not [TS]

  simpsons level joke per minute but it's [TS]

  like it is not a scene that goes by [TS]

  without one good singer too good singer [TS]

  since you can have just an entire [TS]

  opening sequence with nobody saying that [TS]

  like an end it humanizes the characters [TS]

  in it lets us know that it's not going [TS]

  to be it's not expecting you to be all [TS]

  dark and serious and greedy for the [TS]

  whole thing that these are real people [TS]

  that they're using humor as a defense [TS]

  and that things are things are less [TS]

  formal like they should be less formal [TS]

  did the most formal is the Republican [TS]

  the prequels and then you've got the the [TS]

  rebellion and this is just like leftover [TS]

  chaos and garbage in factions and will [TS]

  be even more informal like it this pilot [TS]

  po of course he would be sarcastic and [TS]

  carefree he's not even really an account [TS]

  of military outfit is is in the [TS]

  resistance which is even more it you [TS]

  know informal then you know a rebel [TS]

  alliance [TS]

  yes he's a roguish pilot for a for a [TS]

  roguish or gonna sage right and some fun [TS]

  backstory for people who have read some [TS]

  of the tie-in novels and that comics is [TS]

  that his parents i believe are both in a [TS]

  comic yeah that's right about shortly [TS]

  after and they're both Rebel Alliance [TS]

  pilots so kid is basically grown up his [TS]

  entire life in let's fight the Rebel [TS]

  Alliance and be crack you know [TS]

  crackerjack pilots ace which is awesome [TS]

  his his character is one of the we [TS]

  talked about you know overall all of [TS]

  these characters having really beautiful [TS]

  kind of defined either arcs or just [TS]

  beings they feel like 3d 3d people and [TS]

  despite the fact Poe dameron's probably [TS]

  in the in this movie the least of our [TS]

  three sort of new main characters but he [TS]

  is instantly recognizable as like okay I [TS]

  know who this person is and very quickly [TS]

  become despite the fact that he has very [TS]

  few lines and very very little scene [TS]

  time he doesn't feel like an archetype [TS]

  he actually feels like a person and and [TS]

  I do think that some of some of the [TS]

  humor and some of the way that he [TS]

  interacts with bb-8 and with other [TS]

  characters really goes a long way into [TS]

  making him a shaded person even though [TS]

  he doesn't have a ton of screen time [TS]

  yeah we get most of his time here [TS]

  where he is that that that lying about [TS]

  who talks first and all that and then we [TS]

  see him in the interrogation where he is [TS]

  he is obviously survived a lot of [TS]

  interrogation already and is kind of [TS]

  mocking kylo Ren about it and you gotta [TS]

  do a better job and then he gets kind of [TS]

  forced and we see him groaning under the [TS]

  strain and then we cut to kylo Ren [TS]

  walking out of the room saying it's in a [TS]

  it's in a droid he got everything that [TS]

  he needs to know out of him so he wasn't [TS]

  able to resist that time for a brief [TS]

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  incomparable my good decisions list i [TS]

  had mentioned like these people being [TS]

  characters not archetypes the one the [TS]

  one danger you have these movies is [TS]

  people trying to do the the mapping oh [TS]

  he's like Han Solo and that was like [TS]

  Luke Skywalker and that's a new Princess [TS]

  Leia and I thought it was a smart [TS]

  decision to intentionally or not resist [TS]

  that straight mapping because you go [TS]

  with poets like oh he's like the Han [TS]

  Solo is the sarcastic you know guy who's [TS]

  making quips and do it but he's not he's [TS]

  so much more like Ernest and bouncy and [TS]

  optimum [TS]

  stick and good-natured that but he's not [TS]

  the looky there because he doesn't have [TS]

  any for stuff and you you know he's a [TS]

  good pilot he's his own person like you [TS]

  keep trying to do the mapping is like [TS]

  what you see more like looky now he's a [TS]

  new character his name is powe this is [TS]

  what he's like and that comes through in [TS]

  his scenes and I felt like a lot of [TS]

  things they did want to emphasize the [TS]

  ways that this is not your new Han Solo [TS]

  proxy this is not your new luck our [TS]

  proxy this is a new person and this is [TS]

  what this person is like this but his [TS]

  droid is like the street is you know [TS]

  like that was some refreshing I think [TS]

  that's a really good way of putting it [TS]

  because I felt like yeah I definitely [TS]

  was trying to do that in my head in some [TS]

  ways it's going along and almost to the [TS]

  point of feeling like well it's almost [TS]

  like a mix and match game but I think [TS]

  you you nailed you hit the nail on the [TS]

  head would be you know these really are [TS]

  ya there are traits within them that are [TS]

  reminiscent of traits that we've know [TS]

  from other Star Wars characters or other [TS]

  characters in general that we have seen [TS]

  in fiction but none of them are cookie [TS]

  cutters of previous character and [TS]

  especially especially him i think he [TS]

  could have been so close but a few [TS]

  scenes that he's in his general like a [TS]

  goofy good-natured optimism is so unlike [TS]

  Han Solo's like cynical worldview that [TS]

  all behind Solis's is just shaken out of [TS]

  him he's just so happy to see that guy [TS]

  he's he's an idealist clearly to write [TS]

  like you mean the fact that he's in the [TS]

  resistance period signifies that even [TS]

  though if he's like if your key [TS]

  resistance crack cases like you should [TS]

  but he's also a do-gooder he's a deputy [TS]

  white American baby [TS]

  he's the new guy in his name is powe [TS]

  we'll just go with the New Republic's [TS]

  best pilot he knows he knows [TS]

  general and by name so it's been kung fu [TS]

  panda kinda yes he's he's pretty great [TS]

  one of the things that I i noticed from [TS]

  that interrogation scene by the way it's [TS]

  very quick and I wonder if there were [TS]

  more shots that had to be taken out for [TS]

  the pg-13 rating but as as ren leaves if [TS]

  you look at this in future and future [TS]

  viewings the entire bottom side of his [TS]

  face is covered in blood and I i imagine [TS]

  that there was at one point of shot of [TS]

  like actually like you know your [TS]

  traditional oh no my mind is being [TS]

  probed blood is coming out of various [TS]

  orifices I'm glad they didn't show that [TS]

  because i feel like it's become kind of [TS]

  a an archetype in turn are [TS]

  but just a trope in terms of that but it [TS]

  but seeing that very quick shot of oh my [TS]

  god his face is completely you know [TS]

  covered in geyser in blood that's oh my [TS]

  god this guy this guy doesn't mess [TS]

  around [TS]

  there's more blood in the first 10 [TS]

  minutes of his movie than probably any [TS]

  of them except for maybe a new hope and [TS]

  then there's not there's not much blood [TS]

  in any of the Star Wars movies I like [TS]

  that they didn't they don't overdo it [TS]

  you know there are a couple scenes [TS]

  especially early on but I feel like it's [TS]

  not it's not like it's not like guys but [TS]

  everything was really that would not [TS]

  feel like a star wars movie right like [TS]

  you know there is a certain amount of [TS]

  its not sanitized but it's colorized [TS]

  let's say the interrogation scene like [TS]

  that is also am basically mechanically [TS]

  sound good competent filmmaking [TS]

  introducing the scary thing that the bad [TS]

  guy can do that will come up more than [TS]

  once in the movie that will become a [TS]

  significant thing you have to become [TS]

  familiar with and also establishes him [TS]

  as a scary president is a force choke [TS]

  him know you just stand there and stare [TS]

  and now he's got the extended handling [TS]

  and I wonder if like that was the actor [TS]

  who came up with that it was in the [TS]

  script like his move is he extends his [TS]

  hand and puts us five fingers in front [TS]

  of his face in a certain way and it [TS]

  physically is like on like pulling the [TS]

  thoughts out of your head and that's [TS]

  that's his thing like I can you know [TS]

  it's kind of like you know an empathetic [TS]

  bond where like I can see what's in your [TS]

  head and I could feel what you're [TS]

  feeling and is using it to you know for [TS]

  evil ends to get information out of them [TS]

  and it works it establishes this is a [TS]

  real thing and he's pretty good at any [TS]

  kind of enjoys it in the super creepy [TS]

  that was all really good and it's not [TS]

  just that one seeing this will this will [TS]

  become important later and it said just [TS]

  good solid storytelling and also to your [TS]

  point earlier about that how not mapping [TS]

  characters obviously this kylo Ren is [TS]

  meant to evoke darth vader and you know [TS]

  that becomes clearer and clearer as we [TS]

  go along but it's also very clear from [TS]

  the beginning that he is not Darth Vader [TS]

  right i mean he's a lot of these things [TS]

  their scenes where he's like crouching [TS]

  down like the way he speaks it is these [TS]

  you know his speech patterns incredibly [TS]

  different much as formalized for reasons [TS]

  that we will discover ya in on the in [TS]

  the the nitrate on jakku at one point [TS]

  when he says to take programmer and with [TS]

  them in the shuttle [TS]

  he's like taking us or something so i [TS]

  totally [TS]

  lost off and I'm like no he's not he's [TS]

  not speaking as Darth Vader when he's [TS]

  not it's not be more with whores voice [TS]

  right god it's like it's very casual a [TS]

  lot of points and he has these moments [TS]

  with a lot of the other characters even [TS]

  interrogation scenes or something [TS]

  working speeches very colonial very fast [TS]

  and that's again it resists that define [TS]

  because he's not the fader you know [TS]

  India the darth vader fan [TS]

  yeah he's a fanboy the key scene with [TS]

  with him is there's a scene where he's [TS]

  brought bad news [TS]

  bye-bye somebody who's wearing his [TS]

  little outfit that's similar to the [TS]

  outfits that the guys who brought Darth [TS]

  Vader bad news right and the guy is [TS]

  totally expecting especially when he [TS]

  turns his lightsaber on totally expected [TS]

  to be chopped in half by kylo Ren and [TS]

  we're expecting him to be chopped in [TS]

  half by kylo Ren and what does he do he [TS]

  has a temper tantrum and smashes up the [TS]

  tables and stuff and then he does choke [TS]

  the guy like 10 asked the well you have [TS]

  any s is there anything else they said [TS]

  well there was a girl to when he chokes [TS]

  him a little bit and then you let him he [TS]

  lets him go [TS]

  so this is not Darth Vader right Darth [TS]

  Vader was just like super cool customer [TS]

  and had it all together when they're [TS]

  just gonna char the HR departments have [TS]

  this fight against joking their [TS]

  employees [TS]

  yeah first order is i still kill [TS]

  employees were they were very valuable [TS]

  you have a new policy on destroying the [TS]

  equipment like maybe a special tantrum [TS]

  room it was like a good shot expensive [TS]

  consoles and you know that's the bridge [TS]

  someone's gotta come in there and fix [TS]

  that no no but he's a bit that's the [TS]

  whole point with him and we learn as we [TS]

  learn more about him have he has he is a [TS]

  well he's a he's a baby [TS]

  he said he has he's a big baby and he [TS]

  has temper tantrums and he's a he's a [TS]

  essentially a child with force powers [TS]

  who is being exploited poorly trained by [TS]

  by a very bad person is exploited badly [TS]

  trained al indulged to do what sort of [TS]

  oil whatever he was he is spoiled and [TS]

  and you know we learn more about that as [TS]

  a ghost but it's very clear from the [TS]

  very beginning that he's you know he [TS]

  doesn't have it together he has he [TS]

  didn't have a nice little tidy office [TS]

  that he goes in with it takes his mask [TS]

  off yes he has he just freaks the hell [TS]

  out and lightsabers up a room from time [TS]

  to time it's not [TS]

  it's really going to New Hope where [TS]

  Vader had sort of a corporate competitor [TS]

  like you know me like really where they [TS]

  were in the boardroom and having [TS]

  arguments and stuff but you know Vader [TS]

  had not yet emerged as the clear top of [TS]

  the pyramid in the Imperial organization [TS]

  until conveniently the rest of them are [TS]

  blowing up and he tumbled away right [TS]

  really helped his career but this one [TS]

  same thing kylo Ren you think well he's [TS]

  the guy with 4th power surely he's in [TS]

  charge but he's got his co-workers [TS]

  always in there undermining into his [TS]

  boss and yeah dirty looks and stuff and [TS]

  it's clear that like you maybe have [TS]

  force powers but like competency wise i [TS]

  mean it's a it's a pretty fair fight [TS]

  here like they're both kind of a little [TS]

  bit young and and fresh and brash but [TS]

  they have and they both have ambitions [TS]

  his ambitions I want to be like Darth [TS]

  video guys ambition is maybe I want to [TS]

  be like Hitler not quite sure what he'll [TS]

  do is don't mess with the weasleys yeah [TS]

  yeah no you know um so before we move on [TS]

  just one a couple quick things about [TS]

  tone and just general set dressing sound [TS]

  on the initial after that anit those [TS]

  initial few shots in space which are [TS]

  very jabe rooms we get these beautiful [TS]

  sets on jakku and this very it feels [TS]

  small in a in a way that star wars [TS]

  movies haven't felt in a long time where [TS]

  I mean I think one of the one of the big [TS]

  downfalls of the prequels and I was [TS]

  thinking about this the more than that [TS]

  after seeing the force awakens for a [TS]

  second time and is you get sort of this [TS]

  these big giant gaping sets like these [TS]

  huge palaces on Naboo you get the [TS]

  Galactic Senate on and even even on [TS]

  Tatooine was like let's do a giant [TS]

  podracing stadium what's not and and [TS]

  with force awakens we're back to these [TS]

  very sort of small it almost intimate [TS]

  sets that feel [TS]

  not not quite real in a in a weird they [TS]

  feel movie real they feel like they are [TS]

  they're almost sets in there almost [TS]

  reality and that really works for me for [TS]

  Star Wars this kind of this this slight [TS]

  off-putting feeling of this isn't a real [TS]

  town or doesn't quite feel like a real [TS]

  town but at the same time it very much [TS]

  sets the scene for what it needs to the [TS]

  fact that when bb-8 roll [TS]

  the way you can see all of this action [TS]

  happening in the background and it just [TS]

  feels so lived in it feels authentic and [TS]

  the fact the fact that there's a you [TS]

  know there's a revamped x-wing that's [TS]

  sitting there and huge and in I don't [TS]

  know there's there's tangible wait to [TS]

  the opening few scenes which i think is [TS]

  is lovely even when they get to the Star [TS]

  Destroyer type on type I ship it still [TS]

  has that sort of weedy lived-in feel on [TS]

  and the other thing in that in that vein [TS]

  is I love i'm not sure ben burtt was [TS]

  holy and charger if he was in charge of [TS]

  sound this go around but the modulation [TS]

  on adam drivers voice for kylo Ren is [TS]

  perfect i love the fact that everything [TS]

  feels compressed they did this wonderful [TS]

  wonderful thing where they essentially [TS]

  just they suck all of the air out of the [TS]

  mix so you have this room tone and then [TS]

  anytime he speaks it's almost like [TS]

  turning on am almost like turning on a [TS]

  calm where there's this little bit of [TS]

  fuzz and then all of a sudden all the [TS]

  room tone goes away and then he has this [TS]

  slightly muffled short clipped speech [TS]

  and it instantly it it's it's a very [TS]

  different as we were talking about [TS]

  earlier it's a very different style than [TS]

  james earl jones it doesn't have the [TS]

  booming i'm on a pretty you know i'm on [TS]

  a dais I am powerful Darth Vader and it [TS]

  and it fits his temper tantrum kind of [TS]

  boy but the the fact that as well he [TS]

  speaking basically all the air just [TS]

  disappears and you just hear these quick [TS]

  little short flip sentences [TS]

  it's every time he speaks it feels [TS]

  almost like a bullet in the scene just [TS]

  Bam Bam he had to send away to later fan [TS]

  com to get that means it worked hard and [TS]

  I'd like because that's that's one of [TS]

  the big great payoffs later when he [TS]

  takes the helmet off the idea like he [TS]

  doesn't need the helmet but his hero [TS]

  Darth Vader had the helmet so he sure as [TS]

  hell want to helmet and he doesn't need [TS]

  something to change his voice product [TS]

  Bader had one so he's going to check out [TS]

  better fan common look at the best [TS]

  modular they have it may be customized [TS]

  it to give him that sinister types and [TS]

  on your right like we had so many recent [TS]

  movies where the bag [TS]

  it was weird voices whether it's Batman [TS]

  with bein or Batman himself or any other [TS]

  movement or someone tries to sound [TS]

  sinister gravely and it's really easy [TS]

  for it to go bad obviously Darth Vader [TS]

  is like the first the canonical like [TS]

  that defined his character they did such [TS]

  a good job with essentially just james [TS]

  earl jones booming voice and heavy [TS]

  breathing in between some little bit of [TS]

  fuzz thrown in and that was it and you [TS]

  can just repeat that but you get a lot [TS]

  of mileage out of the fact that this it [TS]

  in universe in character is someone who [TS]

  idolizes Darth Vader that of course is [TS]

  gonna try to do something like that [TS]

  everything you what you wanted to be [TS]

  understandable and also sinister and I [TS]

  think it's also important that like [TS]

  Darth Vader himself that his out of mask [TS]

  voice differs substantially from his in [TS]

  mask was like when you get you know the [TS]

  helmet comes off in Jedi and and I can [TS]

  talk and you're like oh he sounds so [TS]

  different obviously it's a different guy [TS]

  that picks but even if it's the same [TS]

  accurate and garbage talking through the [TS]

  fuzz and not talking with fuzz helmet [TS]

  off different you know different scene [TS]

  different different vibe entirely yeah [TS]

  and into the point earlier point about [TS]

  CGI and you know like the fact that [TS]

  there's actual tangible stuff here i [TS]

  think that this this takes the right [TS]

  advantage of CGI and uses it in places [TS]

  where it is smart to do so and reduced [TS]

  and provides a better product and then [TS]

  doesn't apply in places where it doesn't [TS]

  need it and we're practical sets and [TS]

  practical effects work much better [TS]

  disagree with a few minor points will [TS]

  get to the bad section i think overall [TS]

  they make good choices on on where to [TS]

  deploy that we're not it's not [TS]

  universally perfect because they you [TS]

  know i would love to have seen some some [TS]

  characters that were more based on [TS]

  puppets but I think unfortunately that's [TS]

  just not the way that that is going [TS]

  right now but it is nice that they the [TS]

  problem as we've all admitted the [TS]

  problem with a lot of the prequels is [TS]

  just the overabundance of CGI every [TS]

  single thing being fulfilled against a [TS]

  blue screen for the most part that is [TS]

  not done here it shows the direction [TS]

  shows the dead that JJ was can talk to [TS]

  actors too so you know even in his first [TS]

  10 minutes we're looking at something [TS]

  very very different no Emperor said that [TS]

  a a large part of the cgi for the non [TS]

  you know nan nan did like the onset cgi [TS]

  stuff was erasing wires and things that [TS]

  they did a lot of practical stuff and [TS]

  then the cgi was just [TS]

  used to hide the controls for the [TS]

  practical things i would say about this [TS]

  and we should just talk about jakku more [TS]

  generally because otherwise we'll be [TS]

  here until morning i would say this is [TS]

  very cool is a very Star Wars II kind of [TS]

  place and the i say that because it's [TS]

  full of garbage and that is that is star [TS]

  wars to me [TS]

  Star Wars to me like we see raise [TS]

  apartment right where she's living and [TS]

  it's just bullcrap and she's got her [TS]

  x-wing doll x-wing pilot doll and she's [TS]

  got next wing blast helmet that she [TS]

  wears at one point for fun and and it is [TS]

  a and she makes her little kind of bread [TS]

  out of powder and and is grilling her [TS]

  meat on her about her Bochy or whatever [TS]

  and you're like she's surrounded by [TS]

  technology what she does is scavenge [TS]

  technology and yet she's not living in a [TS]

  shiny future [TS]

  she's living in the just the pits in [TS]

  terms of of her her standard of living [TS]

  she's going day-to-day and finding [TS]

  garbage and bringing it back for scraps [TS]

  essentially and then we get the reveal [TS]

  that she's literally living inside a [TS]

  wall of fallen walker that's okay and [TS]

  that is star wars to me is stuff like it [TS]

  the fact and then throughout the jacuzzi [TS]

  scenes right down to the fact that at [TS]

  one point when the the two fighters are [TS]

  chasing the Millennium Falcon and Finn [TS]

  hits one of them and it crashes into the [TS]

  into the sand the scavengers immediately [TS]

  run over to it to pick it up pick it for [TS]

  parts immediately because that's what [TS]

  you do on jakku because it is a garbage [TS]

  planet and the people who are surviving [TS]

  there are subsisting on picking through [TS]

  the wreckage of this space battle that [TS]

  was there 30 years before that's very [TS]

  Star Wars to me [TS]

  speaking of the scale thing that the non [TS]

  kylo Ren said previously this the scale [TS]

  that I think of like the tote to [TS]

  describe it is the even though it's [TS]

  different tone is the blue milk scale [TS]

  their scene in which the scale things [TS]

  that are significant to the scene are at [TS]

  the level of blue milk and there's tons [TS]

  of them here you just mentioned the food [TS]

  preparation thing or even just hanging [TS]

  out of the stall where you figure out [TS]

  where you're going to get for your stuff [TS]

  yeah it is it is a ate a small scale [TS]

  like it's still set it's still an [TS]

  outdoor [TS]

  thing or like you know inside your [TS]

  little hot or whatever but that that i [TS]

  think is a really important part of this [TS]

  movie they spend a lot of time on to [TS]

  their credit establishing ray her life [TS]

  her routine in giving it room to breathe [TS]

  giving it room to see her crawling [TS]

  around the Star Destroyer like you have [TS]

  to spend a year on doesn't have to be a [TS]

  subplot where she runs away from [TS]

  something inside the Star Destroyer she [TS]

  goes into town tries to get the money [TS]

  should bring the thing back she makes [TS]

  her meal sheets it she puts on the [TS]

  helmet like the give that room to [TS]

  breathe to get you to identify with [TS]

  character yes but to give you even a [TS]

  better picture of her life than you ever [TS]

  gotten even Luke swear he's complaining [TS]

  about having to go out to the fields or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  especially a lifelike as it doesn't [TS]

  there's a lot of dialogue I think she [TS]

  has a pretty lonely life doesn't live [TS]

  with a bunch of the people she doesn't [TS]

  have friends she's not talking about you [TS]

  know being jealous of her friends and [TS]

  and bags went off to the rebellion [TS]

  there's no bigs it's just her and yet [TS]

  she lives in and started for injunction [TS]

  neck and a guy who's really mean to her [TS]

  and weird bread that they probably have [TS]

  in Japan that comes out of the water and [TS]

  so I really love i really love the blue [TS]

  milk scale that entire thing and i love [TS]

  the amount of time a dedicated to what I [TS]

  think it really helped movie yeah i [TS]

  agree let's uh let's talk about Ray [TS]

  before we get to Finn one of our one of [TS]

  our main characters we meet her she's a [TS]

  scavenger she's picking things out of a [TS]

  imperial star destroyer i will say that [TS]

  that is crash i will i'll point out that [TS]

  i believe that's basically a match cut [TS]

  that we see a pole being being taken [TS]

  prisoner and and there on the there on [TS]

  the Star Destroyer in the inn in the [TS]

  launch Bay and then she's in the launch [TS]

  Bay of the destroyed Star Destroyer it's [TS]

  just kind of a nice contrast that [TS]

  they're on one that's working and cheese [TS]

  and the one that is just a piece of [TS]

  garbage on the ground super cool that's [TS]

  pretty nice but she's so so ray when we [TS]

  meet her she's a scavenger [TS]

  she's very she's but she's also marking [TS]

  time on the inside of her a department [TS]

  waiting for somebody and who has not [TS]

  shown up and then you know she she meets [TS]

  she meets a droid who doesn't want to [TS]

  doesn't want to abandon her and follows [TS]

  her around [TS]

  and so we're gonna I guess we're gonna [TS]

  have to talk about bb-8 as well but uh [TS]

  you know she's she ends up being this [TS]

  kind of amazing character I had a moment [TS]

  later the movie where I thought well [TS]

  wait a second now so she's basically a [TS]

  Jedi in training or will be in training [TS]

  but she's got force powers and she can [TS]

  fly the Millennium Falcon and has to [TS]

  bacchus or copilot what can she do we [TS]

  need anybody else [TS]

  this is just go she's also a nobody she [TS]

  has no friends [TS]

  yeah he is she is professionally weird [TS]

  front basically from isolation like she [TS]

  is self-sufficient screw myself and yeah [TS]

  some might say self-sufficient to a [TS]

  fault and like it she's such an [TS]

  interesting quirky character because i [TS]

  didn't like in getting back to like [TS]

  comparing to look who's our closest [TS]

  analogue he seemed like he like went to [TS]

  school like he went to middle school and [TS]

  he went to high school and he's working [TS]

  the field he's got friends and hang out [TS]

  or whatever she is a weird she's like a [TS]

  weird hermit and training like she's got [TS]

  nothing going on and she's clearly like [TS]

  very cerebral and in her in her world [TS]

  and her in her interactions with ensure [TS]

  she interacts with in the way someone [TS]

  who lived alone out in the woods but [TS]

  even though she goes into town every day [TS]

  but none of those people are her friends [TS]

  like they have the scene where she looks [TS]

  at the old woman scrubbing the parts get [TS]

  that you know a brief glimpse of her [TS]

  potential future it's like yeah is that [TS]

  is i did i'm going to be coming back and [TS]

  forth with parts and given to the bigger [TS]

  the guide him ripping me off until it [TS]

  looks like that woman but she goes back [TS]

  to know I'm waiting I'm waiting for [TS]

  those people like if if we want to save [TS]

  time on the on the race section we're [TS]

  going to say is there anything in there [TS]

  K can anyone say anything bad about ran [TS]

  this podcast so I i have nothing bad to [TS]

  say about right in this podcast by did [TS]

  discuss the friend of mine the worry [TS]

  that people are going to come away with [TS]

  this especially people who were not big [TS]

  fans of female characters as leads in [TS]

  movies and be like oh well she's a [TS]

  mary-sue because she's good at [TS]

  everything and to that i say screw you [TS]

  good I'm know if but she's not she's not [TS]

  she's not she's not good at everything [TS]

  the fact that she's she's talented at a [TS]

  number of things yes um what all of [TS]

  these have actual basis and definition [TS]

  her character like she's talented in [TS]

  electronics and tech because she's grown [TS]

  up [TS]

  around electronics in tech and this is [TS]

  done in such a going back to prequel [TS]

  comparison here this is done in such a [TS]

  such more organic way than Anakin's [TS]

  affinity with tech is done in the in the [TS]

  prequels where it's like all I'm just [TS]

  really good at fixing things like guess [TS]

  i'm just going to comment about how I'm [TS]

  really good at fixing and flying things [TS]

  yeah where is Ray is just kind of like [TS]

  yeah I can do that I can fix that I can [TS]

  figure that out probably oh that was the [TS]

  wrong switch okay well we'll fix it [TS]

  somewhere else [TS]

  good timing yeah well like she's that [TS]

  one character what happens at one point [TS]

  yet [TS]

  yeah run it not even her piloting she [TS]

  gets a lot of things for someone who's [TS]

  always Mary Sue she's an expert pilot [TS]

  not not really she really things up that [TS]

  money fucking quite significant figures [TS]

  it out as my question in fact about her [TS]

  background is I can understand her being [TS]

  mechanically savvy because she is [TS]

  crawling around inside of various crash [TS]

  spaceships and salvaging them but when [TS]

  she talks about being able to fly unless [TS]

  she's completely BS in fin [TS]

  she's completely BS in fin [TS]

  I had a question what drives that should [TS]

  she drives the speeders like yeah here's [TS]

  my backstory for like you have a pilot [TS]

  right Luke is doing the same thing on [TS]

  Tatooine is like oh you know I'm a great [TS]

  pilot was like well where you flying [TS]

  well he's like what you guys are doing [TS]

  and come on you're exactly right but [TS]

  it's not you're going in space so i have [TS]

  to think that in various x rays had the [TS]

  opportunity to do the equivalent of [TS]

  beggars Canyon you're not flying very [TS]

  high and maybe he received drives around [TS]

  speeders but part of like salvaging and [TS]

  getting things like surely she's had the [TS]

  opportunity to various times to repair [TS]

  and ride every kind of speed and every [TS]

  kind of like a low-level womp rat [TS]

  bullseye beggars canyons you know [TS]

  zooming type of video we just don't know [TS]

  we don't think we don't know her [TS]

  background but I think that shows when [TS]

  she gets in the big ship which is not [TS]

  like what you mean your t16 back home [TS]

  and has no idea what the hell to do with [TS]

  that thing [TS]

  yeah and she comes she figures it out [TS]

  but it's very much a trial-and-error its [TS]

  carbon that should be garbage that she [TS]

  was garbage [TS]

  what I really liked about that just a [TS]

  character in general is how incredibly [TS]

  naive and vulnerable she is in some [TS]

  regards like that the shot of her [TS]

  sitting at the base of her a department [TS]

  with the Rebel Alliance helmet and just [TS]

  looking up at the stars and just has [TS]

  this this strange goofy grin on her face [TS]

  when she's like yeah I'm pretty much in [TS]

  the worst place imaginable but i have [TS]

  these tangible links to my potential [TS]

  tangible links to my past and someone's [TS]

  coming from me and I can believe in like [TS]

  a greater power which is and it was done [TS]

  so much in such a better way than in it [TS]

  that even the Luke origin story where [TS]

  you know Lou Luke is a Luke suffers from [TS]

  some some teenage angst lose super whiny [TS]

  and annoying in a way that is looked [TS]

  away his name is it were me come on [TS]

  yeah I think ray is raised character is [TS]

  fantastic i mean i love that you know as [TS]

  point out that she can be sort of [TS]

  strange and off-putting but she's also [TS]

  like super self-sufficient [TS]

  I think the some of the best scenes with [TS]

  her are running around with a within why [TS]

  do you keep taking my hand I can run [TS]

  like that [TS]

  it's really great that what are you [TS]

  doing for you today that was that was [TS]

  another because you're going to be a [TS]

  he's trying to be a hero and she's like [TS]

  I'm fine I got it together why are you [TS]

  taking my hand and asking me if I'm okay [TS]

  that was that was kind of beautiful i [TS]

  think the casting a just doesn't make to [TS]

  make a note about the casting of days [TS]

  really who before this is in very little [TS]

  she's done like a handful TV episodes [TS]

  essentially i don't know where they [TS]

  found her but amazing at the yeah [TS]

  closest analogue I could think of that [TS]

  she actually really reminded me of [TS]

  hayley atwell like doing anything and I [TS]

  was like how he had this is totally [TS]

  channeling the same thing for me and in [TS]

  the same great way because I i love [TS]

  hayley atwell his portrayal of agent [TS]

  Carter in that way and so I think that [TS]

  the Rays just she's she's a kind of [TS]

  heroin that we don't see enough and [TS]

  again you kind of have to resist the [TS]

  mapping of her onto Princess Leia [TS]

  because she is similar in that she is a [TS]

  you know a heroine who's gonna you know [TS]

  make you fight her own battles and stuff [TS]

  like that but she's she's spunky and [TS]

  kind of self sufficient in a way that we [TS]

  get and not and and down-to-earth and [TS]

  not like kind of icy royalty right like [TS]

  there's a very different character here [TS]

  she's as John would say she's different [TS]

  character name is ray and I think that [TS]

  it's incredibly well done [TS]

  I thought the character was well done i [TS]

  thought the portrayal was the the best [TS]

  as she and john-boy I feel like your [TS]

  time for my favorite characters here but [TS]

  yeah that's this [TS]

  she's great [TS]

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  of my favorite I interactions with her [TS]

  is or just the way the way that we [TS]

  really get introduced to her as a [TS]

  fighter i love the fact that John Vegas [TS]

  character essentially stumbles stumbles [TS]

  into town and here's you know fighting [TS]

  going on and his first thought is oh [TS]

  shit oh crap [TS]

  the first order and he looks up and it's [TS]

  this girl and he's like oh no you're in [TS]

  trouble [TS]

  I'm gonna save you and he takes two [TS]

  steps and then she precedes to high kick [TS]

  somebody in the face and then beats [TS]

  everybody else down for trying to steal [TS]

  her droid and that it it's just it's [TS]

  such a lovely subversion of again the [TS]

  traditional both women in distress and [TS]

  just I you know [TS]

  oh yes I'm a hero i'm gonna save you oye [TS]

  you can save yourself then I'm just [TS]

  awkwardly staring here okay and now I [TS]

  gotta run [TS]

  it's not just as a version but like what [TS]

  they typically do in the movies where [TS]

  they want to do this like you know that [TS]

  the whole terrible thing I don't has [TS]

  ever got coin but the whole idea of a [TS]

  strong female character worse where [TS]

  people hear the word strong and I think [TS]

  like muscles and they're not thinking of [TS]

  it as in like a well-constructed female [TS]

  character because they would say well [TS]

  strong that's the word you picked and [TS]

  that's the word everybody says but like [TS]

  what movies tend to do is overcompensate [TS]

  so an actual Mary Sue or whatever like [TS]

  that the the woman lead is not only is [TS]

  she not the typical you know damsel in [TS]

  distress but in fact the movie takes [TS]

  great pains to show that she is actually [TS]

  better than all the men in the movie [TS]

  which is not what you it's over [TS]

  compensating it's not what you need to [TS]

  do it as in like the only way we can [TS]

  pull this off is to essentially you know [TS]

  to make our two times as good as the men [TS]

  and then she'll be accepted as an equal [TS]

  to the men whereas in this movie but [TS]

  they do with with Daisy is just have her [TS]

  go about her life and the wheels going [TS]

  about it and then have the men have the [TS]

  men be the ones who act differently than [TS]

  in other movies so the woman doesn't [TS]

  have to be too at times as good as [TS]

  everyone else they have to have the men [TS]

  come upon and the man is the one who has [TS]

  the instinct that that that has the [TS]

  movie tropes and he has to change his [TS]

  behavior he has to go oh wait this isn't [TS]

  going the way I thought it would go [TS]

  he's the one who does different things [TS]

  not seen her seen can play without him [TS]

  being there straight up [TS]

  she's assaulted that trying to get BBA [TS]

  backsheet fend them off that seemed to [TS]

  work fine but but the guy is there and [TS]

  the only thing that is different about [TS]

  the scene is how how fins section of the [TS]

  scene goes cutting out of the scene the [TS]

  scene play straight and it's fine put it [TS]

  an interesting and the seams still plays [TS]

  the same way but he's the one whose [TS]

  expectations observer and the thing I [TS]

  love about Ray is it's clear that her [TS]

  isolation has led to her not even being [TS]

  and her lifestyle has led to her not [TS]

  even being exposed to the gender roles [TS]

  that Finn has clearly at least been [TS]

  exposed to a little bit he's grabbing [TS]

  her hand she doesn't even have a context [TS]

  to understand why in the world would you [TS]

  be trying to grab my hand like I'm a [TS]

  child or something to lead me away right [TS]

  and like you know they are you okay [TS]

  she has no precedent for like why would [TS]

  man be coming up to me said yeah I'm [TS]

  alright let's let's go like you cannot [TS]

  really like she doesn't have context for [TS]

  the end makes sense because why would [TS]

  you have the context because she's been [TS]

  self-sufficient she's been she's [TS]

  socially isolated as well as physically [TS]

  isolated from people so i just love the [TS]

  fact that she's allowed to be herself [TS]

  and that everybody else's patterns and [TS]

  expectations are screwed up and they [TS]

  bounce off and it doesn't she doesn't [TS]

  have to be the one to say I will now [TS]

  express the reality down on you be by [TS]

  being 20 times as awesome as every man [TS]

  and therefore that's why that's why you [TS]

  that all now except that i will accept [TS]

  you as an equal because your 7 17 times [TS]

  as good as I am [TS]

  even Han Solo later you know later when [TS]

  they're when they're in the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon together you know she's kind of [TS]

  matter-of-factly is like I'm gonna come [TS]

  sit in the copilot's seat and you're [TS]

  gonna deal with it because you need [TS]

  somebody to prime these fuel pumps also [TS]

  you know if I hadn't been around you [TS]

  probably would have exploded in [TS]

  hyperspace so good you know I'm just I'm [TS]

  just gonna be here I'm gonna do my thing [TS]

  I i know a little bit about ships it's [TS]

  cool yeah she's a she's also essentially [TS]

  she's the chosen one right i mean that's [TS]

  where we end up with is that she's also [TS]

  she's also really good because she [TS]

  special like these these kinds of [TS]

  stories have the chosen one who has the [TS]

  power that you know she's been living on [TS]

  this off in the middle of nowhere but [TS]

  she's actually vitally important person [TS]

  in the galaxy because she's got the the [TS]

  powers at the force and perhaps her [TS]

  history ties into that but it doesn't [TS]

  really matter because you know she's [TS]

  feeling that Roland so of course she's [TS]

  awesome but she doubts that role much [TS]

  more than look too by the way because [TS]

  like Luke is like well I i'm looking at [TS]

  you know look off to the horizon and i [TS]

  would like to go out and he wants to be [TS]

  great rebel pilot and he becomes a great [TS]

  pilot he seems to fall pretty natural [TS]

  into of course I'm not before some [TS]

  pretty important guy like a really [TS]

  awesome pilot and I help the rebels with [TS]

  the whole death star thing and she's [TS]

  like adult you know in the trailer [TS]

  I'm nobody liked it takes her some [TS]

  convincing for she doesn't see [TS]

  lightsaber like this is my destiny I [TS]

  must take up the mantle she's like no [TS]

  like she's still thinking about getting [TS]

  back and wait for our family to come [TS]

  back on jakku she's she's not [TS]

  immediately said well of course I've [TS]

  always known my entire life I would be [TS]

  the savior of the entire universe she [TS]

  hasn't known that she just wants her [TS]

  parents to whoever was that to come back [TS]

  and she is very resistant to the idea of [TS]

  her being special or a savior in any way [TS]

  yeah let's talk about where we're [TS]

  hitting all the characters here so let's [TS]

  talk about thin we should get to it [TS]

  John boyega he is the defect he is the [TS]

  storm trooper who effects essentially [TS]

  but he's not in the resistance [TS]

  no no i'm totally on the resistance now [TS]

  I'm actually I'm not the resistance and [TS]

  i really love definitely in the [TS]

  resistance [TS]

  um I love the idea [TS]

  random Star Wars you know like random [TS]

  tidbits obviously like his operating [TS]

  number fn-2187 2187 is layers cell on [TS]

  the Death Star so like that's totally [TS]

  thanks for yet another knotted to our [TS]

  our previous one but i really ask again [TS]

  you know I i love this character because [TS]

  he is well he is a clearly like a [TS]

  character that works in the star wars [TS]

  universe he's not a character we've [TS]

  never really dealt with before he's [TS]

  kinda wants to do the good thing but [TS]

  he's also really kind of out for himself [TS]

  and he doesn't really want to fight for [TS]

  a cause but he's not like cynical and [TS]

  jaded like he is like kind of attempting [TS]

  to be a hero but he also kind of knows [TS]

  where to draw the lines a little bit of [TS]

  a coward but he does seem to come [TS]

  through when the chips are down [TS]

  I just I really enjoy John play goes [TS]

  performance he is enthusiastic and [TS]

  hilarious and number of ways like why [TS]

  you bring me it's the right thing to do [TS]

  and you need a pilot [TS]

  I need a pilot and so i I just I thought [TS]

  it was such an interesting character to [TS]

  watch him develop over the course of [TS]

  this movie and I think him and it's [TS]

  great that he and Daisy really have [TS]

  fantastic chemistry because i feel like [TS]

  the two of them in any scene was great [TS]

  like they just the way they bounce off [TS]

  each other is perfect i thought he and [TS]

  oscar isaac also have fantastic the [TS]

  whole time fighter sequence well they're [TS]

  escaping from the Star Destroyer is just [TS]

  great and the enthusiasm with which they [TS]

  greet each other when they finally [TS]

  reconnect is just so welcome and and [TS]

  cool right like it's there is no macho [TS]

  male strutting there's no trying to out [TS]

  man each other there's no competing [TS]

  they're just genuinely super excited to [TS]

  see each other and that they're not dead [TS]

  and and that's refreshing and it's great [TS]

  to see that kind of camaraderie now [TS]

  let's it's cut its camaraderie under [TS]

  fire [TS]

  we're ok we're going to be thrown into [TS]

  these crazy situations together and and [TS]

  and something great is gonna come out of [TS]

  it and it's the the same interaction [TS]

  that he has with poe dameron he has [TS]

  almost immediately with with Ray as well [TS]

  where it's okay I'm you know he he [TS]

  originally gets chased after x ray and [TS]

  bb-8 because BBA [TS]

  a droid who we should talk about a job [TS]

  and I'm seize Finn is like you're [TS]

  wearing my Master's check it is where [TS]

  you guys don't know what you're shocked [TS]

  you what are you don't my gosh which is [TS]

  it was funny so great but it's only so I [TS]

  i really like John boyega I think you [TS]

  did a great job Finn is a problematic [TS]

  character in some ways and and follow me [TS]

  here he he does not have a direction in [TS]

  this area because i'm a role you know [TS]

  his his he does his direction is a ways [TS]

  away [TS]

  that's nice about it is that he did he [TS]

  has bravely a character that wants to [TS]

  run away and axon that feeling a lot he [TS]

  does not want hehe at no point really [TS]

  does he want to join the fray until I [TS]

  guess the very end he really is about [TS]

  and we see it most it when they're at [TS]

  the at the the cantina basically and [TS]

  he's like I want to talk to those guys [TS]

  about going to the outer rim that's good [TS]

  i'm just trying to get out of here it's [TS]

  like it and yes that's a little bit like [TS]

  Han saying I just want to play not like [TS]

  yeah he was here I get bigger he's got [TS]

  PTSD essentially from being a [TS]

  stormtrooper he doesn't he wants out of [TS]

  this whole thing even at the end he just [TS]

  wants to go back and get raised like [TS]

  whatever your mission like the only [TS]

  reason he's like come with me ray and go [TS]

  to the outer rim like he wants to run [TS]

  away really badly and is never convinced [TS]

  that i need to join the resistance [TS]

  nopee just want to say ray okay well if [TS]

  you want to let me finish what I was [TS]

  saying is he's like Han in saying I just [TS]

  want to get paid in the sense that his [TS]

  goals are not initially what other [TS]

  people's goals are right and and his his [TS]

  goal is is essentially i just want to go [TS]

  away I will lie and say that I'm part of [TS]

  the resistance it will get me further [TS]

  away you the first order is gonna win we [TS]

  need to run away from them come with me [TS]

  and we'll run away and and so it's an [TS]

  interesting it's an interesting are can [TS]

  do he ends up getting kinda hit by a [TS]

  lightsaber in the back and we never hear [TS]

  from him again he's just sort of like oh [TS]

  he'll be fine [TS]

  kiss him on the forehead see ya later [TS]

  buddy and then and then that's it so [TS]

  it's he's an interesting character [TS]

  because he is not though he's not the [TS]

  lead raise the lead but he is he is one [TS]

  of our important characters and he [TS]

  hasn't yet you know by the end perhaps [TS]

  the first time we see him in the next [TS]

  movie he [TS]

  now have a direction but in this movie [TS]

  he is he is not with the program at any [TS]

  point and it's kind of fun but it's it's [TS]

  it's I don't know it's it's an [TS]

  interesting choice because that means [TS]

  that he's you know he ate almost every [TS]

  scene he's their kind of because he [TS]

  doesn't want to be but while he's here [TS]

  you might as well do something useful [TS]

  that sort of his rights is like it's [TS]

  like r2d2 c3po they had they they come [TS]

  from space on the Star Destroyer down to [TS]

  the planet set the plot in motion but [TS]

  essentially there they are essentially [TS]

  direction as well it's not as if c-3po [TS]

  has a big stake and and the rebellion in [TS]

  the empire but those droids trace you [TS]

  through the whole plot so thin spinning [TS]

  out of his little you know start [TS]

  stormtrooper thing end up spinning down [TS]

  the planet picking up people as he goes [TS]

  and spinning through and at various [TS]

  times trying to get away more than the [TS]

  droids but they then again r2 r2 is on a [TS]

  mission so we had something to do with [TS]

  c-3po was like yeah you know me from the [TS]

  windows of these the bars Nostra [TS]

  recognition yeah all right finish the [TS]

  c-3po of this movie fine or the floor or [TS]

  the forest like yeah i mean like i don't [TS]

  think he needs to have any direction [TS]

  other than a wheel that is that is the [TS]

  experience of his character [TS]

  it'll be interesting when in the next [TS]

  movie if they turn him into a company [TS]

  man or whatever but for now like I I [TS]

  enjoy the fact like even even the Rebel [TS]

  Alliance thing like oh yeah I'm part of [TS]

  the rebound he was saying that to [TS]

  impress a girl yeah it's only his only [TS]

  connections are personal like he has a [TS]

  friend who cares about the friends and [TS]

  by the end of this movie is not yet [TS]

  convinced of anything having to do with [TS]

  the geopolitical struggle he doesn't [TS]

  even have a name until very early [TS]

  that's true here right like he's not [TS]

  trying to overthrow the the first-order [TS]

  he just wants to be [TS]

  he just wants to be gone right he just [TS]

  wants to be out of there and not killing [TS]

  people and and has not said I you know [TS]

  again I'm not a member of the of the [TS]

  resistance that's not who he is yet it's [TS]

  it's and we'll talk about this i'm sure [TS]

  a little bit later one of the delights [TS]

  of this movie is that it is very clearly [TS]

  the first in a in a in a new story and [TS]

  so not everything [TS]

  there's a lot of loose ends there's a [TS]

  room and is an orphan start energy and [TS]

  exactly right and there's time he [TS]

  doesn't need to come all the way around [TS]

  so at the end he's like I have joined [TS]

  the resistance now and now i have [TS]

  learned my important character trait [TS]

  that has changed me as a person that [TS]

  doesn't really happen he gets knocked [TS]

  out [TS]

  bye bye bye Adam driver and and it [TS]

  nursed back to health back at the base [TS]

  at the end of the movie and that's it [TS]

  right but he shows character though [TS]

  right like that's the thing sure to pick [TS]

  up a lightsaber and does a little [TS]

  lightsaber battle which is cool [TS]

  um anybody more to the point it's about [TS]

  i mean like a you know I think that's [TS]

  turning his friend well yeah exactly [TS]

  like everybody and puts the entire [TS]

  resistance at risk to go back and save [TS]

  his friend on Starkiller base this is [TS]

  true so so he is a hero of some sort [TS]

  even if a cowardly reluctant hero at [TS]

  times I mean I think that's where I like [TS]

  collected lying here okay fine I'm okay [TS]

  with that [TS]

  nobody cares nobody cares about other [TS]

  people he's got he's got his guy he's [TS]

  not careful is not battery more alright [TS]

  he's just yeah he's he's got his own [TS]

  agenda and it's fine like it's a it's a [TS]

  noble agenda to a certain extent even if [TS]

  it is more limited in its worldview and [TS]

  that's what I like about it is that you [TS]

  know he does pick up the lightsaber [TS]

  defendants friend even when it's pretty [TS]

  clear that he's gonna get his ass kicked [TS]

  yes for me what a-what nothing [TS]

  necessarily redeems Finn but what makes [TS]

  finais a exciting character and [TS]

  something that I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to seeing them flush out in the [TS]

  next feat to movies is that last battle [TS]

  where essentially he's come all this way [TS]

  to rescue ray and she doesn't really [TS]

  need rescuing but you know he's gonna [TS]

  he's gonna be there for her anyway and [TS]

  when she gets flung 30 feet into a tree [TS]

  and he doesn't know if she's gonna wake [TS]

  up essentially like I have the last time [TS]

  that this dude was alone with Ray he [TS]

  dragged her off to god-knows-where and [TS]

  did god-knows-what to her and I don't [TS]

  know but like she's my friend and she's [TS]

  somebody I care about and i'm going to [TS]

  take a stand and that I think is his [TS]

  defining moment in this movie and he [TS]

  wasn't as telegraphed as well as it [TS]

  could have been but I like and I know [TS]

  that they're going to be people who are [TS]

  super bummed out that Finn is not the [TS]

  Jedi in this movie and you know maybe [TS]

  movie is for Ferris who knows least you [TS]

  still got two movies got used to use a [TS]

  lightsaber a bit here a while that is [TS]

  his personal culmination of his story is [TS]

  that he said he's fighting to save for [TS]

  it's just like there's not that moment [TS]

  where he where he says all right [TS]

  everybody i'm going to join up because [TS]

  that the we'll deal with that later [TS]

  right it's just another movie [TS]

  their inner demons because it's clearly [TS]

  feels bad about himself he feels bad [TS]

  that he was a stormtrooper he also got [TS]

  it feels bad that he was a traitor [TS]

  because people are always yelling [TS]

  traitor and yeah as bad as bad with that [TS]

  sculpture Gaius that is to say like you [TS]

  know if you like I'm a traitor because [TS]

  you guys are bad like like but every [TS]

  just asking why the trash is he's always [TS]

  right factor like he doesn't get much in [TS]

  the way of lines to develop his own [TS]

  character like to explain to say out [TS]

  loud what his character is doing but he [TS]

  does have one which is you know why did [TS]

  you lie about the the rebel things [TS]

  because she looked at me away no one [TS]

  else has ever looked at me for no one [TS]

  else has ever looked up he doesn't feel [TS]

  he's worthy of admiration and when Ray [TS]

  looks admiringly add him when he thinks [TS]

  when when she thinks he's part of the [TS]

  resistance [TS]

  that's why he buys into that line is so [TS]

  resistant to give it up and why he [TS]

  attaches on ray so much is like this is [TS]

  someone who looked up to me if if [TS]

  briefly for a reason for like you know [TS]

  and that's why he wants this part you [TS]

  know he is he is neat he's in need of he [TS]

  needs to believe that he is actually [TS]

  good person when really he isn't most of [TS]

  the things he does are not good and [TS]

  that's why he's so attached array and so [TS]

  fighting the Stormtrooper is trying to [TS]

  to fight against his old self like I'm [TS]

  not I'm not you guys anymore you guys [TS]

  are bad and I don't like what you do and [TS]

  then fighting to try to defend Rafe [TS]

  usually because he's really bad at it it [TS]

  is him defending this one person who [TS]

  briefly looked up to him so I don't I [TS]

  don't know where he goes from here but I [TS]

  think it's tough self-esteem was his big [TS]

  problem in this migraine that and and [TS]

  having a lot of badlock yeah that never [TS]

  having a blaster winning needs one [TS]

  yeah okay bb-8 let's see the alevi be a [TS]

  what a what a what a fun droid this is [TS]

  this little but I'll just before I no [TS]

  rain is going to talk about great bb-8 [TS]

  it is here i'll just say i love that Han [TS]

  Solo calls in ball move ball so i didn't [TS]

  i didn't think it was possible to [TS]

  actually enjoy bb-8 as much as i did in [TS]

  that I i went into it basically being [TS]

  like of course is he's a little droid on [TS]

  e I'm gonna love him by default i'm [TS]

  holding a tiny bb-8 in my hand I bought [TS]

  one long before I saw the movie so [TS]

  clearly already had like a pro droid [TS]

  bias going into this [TS]

  but i think the moment that he endeared [TS]

  himself the most to me is that initial [TS]

  meeting with ray I where he you know [TS]

  she's just like town's that way go deal [TS]

  with your secret mission [TS]

  I don't want to deal with you I don't [TS]

  have friends grumble and BB just looks a [TS]

  tray and then starts purring and I don't [TS]

  know what it was about vba as tiny cat [TS]

  which totally sold it for me and I'm [TS]

  like yep [TS]

  ok i'm on board this train I but the the [TS]

  thing that I really love about bb-8 is a [TS]

  he's he's his own lovable self without [TS]

  having to play on our two strips in fact [TS]

  he's despite being an astromech and [TS]

  having our to like mechanisms on I don't [TS]

  feel like I feel like he and r2 are [TS]

  completely different droids [TS]

  I don't you don't have vb it doesn't [TS]

  feel like one of the endless remixes of [TS]

  droids that we saw in the original [TS]

  trilogy right this is a it's around [TS]

  droid it is this is a different kind of [TS]

  creature and when sounds different too [TS]

  good good sound design on bb-8 being [TS]

  seen it distinct from r2d2 yes yet at [TS]

  the heez I think much more whereas our [TS]

  tues Artoo's curious but naaa na like [TS]

  almost selfless way i want to say or to [TS]

  just kind of barrels into things [TS]

  bb-8 i think is much more like Oh are we [TS]

  going into this now okay but I want to [TS]

  see where the bad guys are going to peek [TS]

  out between your legs but uh I'm gonna [TS]

  stay back here and you know I don't heat [TS]

  he just has such this except except when [TS]

  he like chest bumps r2d2 try to wake him [TS]

  up at all sad to me that was so sad [TS]

  which it literally felt BB is a kitten [TS]

  of this Lincoln baby [TS]

  it is a tiny is a tiny droid kitten with [TS]

  boundless energy and the ability to do [TS]

  crazy things but then he comes up to you [TS]

  know he comes up to the veteran droids [TS]

  he comes up to r2 and it's just kind of [TS]

  like knock knock mr. cat wake up with [TS]

  Ruby obviously bb-8 like all droids [TS]

  broadcast like a wireless signal about [TS]

  who they are and what's going on with [TS]

  them because because I c-3po in the in [TS]

  the scene where we see that c-3po and [TS]

  explains that you might not understand [TS]

  who he is because he's got a red arm [TS]

  which is a good joke he immediately says [TS]

  come on bb-8 let's get out of here my [TS]

  god they knew each other yeah really [TS]

  funny video is is fluent in over six [TS]

  million forms of communication human you [TS]

  always assume that all droids know each [TS]

  other [TS]

  sure I is my personal favorite BBA teens [TS]

  were still wouldn't be missed the falken [TS]

  fighting working just a flip the ship [TS]

  over and it just fall every time the boy [TS]

  was like wait and he finally looks on [TS]

  enough that it is your little things [TS]

  that comes into play love that he has [TS]

  told cables and not only that we see you [TS]

  use told cables just to sustain himself [TS]

  midair but also he's like alright i can [TS]

  use tok apples to like get myself out of [TS]

  out of holes or climb stairs things that [TS]

  you know don't really make sense for [TS]

  your average astromech droid bb-8 is a [TS]

  is as pedestrian says one-of-a-kind my [TS]

  am 18 he just he's a droid full of [TS]

  personality and all of the little things [TS]

  that he pulls out of course like he [TS]

  shocks finn he's very you know he's very [TS]

  impetuous as as droids go but he just he [TS]

  has all of these little personality to [TS]

  works and works and little little [TS]

  pockets of useful things here and there [TS]

  and and then you get really ridiculous [TS]

  things like oh he has a lighter that [TS]

  happens to look like a thumbs-up side [TS]

  when he turns it upside down and you [TS]

  know in the prequel that that motion [TS]

  would have bombed that would have been [TS]

  like a oh god why are you making a droid [TS]

  do that my and I have a little here [TS]

  yeah that guy like that scene that [TS]

  seemed with the little thumb [TS]

  I've seen the movie twice now is that [TS]

  was the biggest last of the entire [TS]

  theater yeah times B and i think it is [TS]

  all entire like so much of comedy about [TS]

  timing [TS]

  it's not so much about the concept it's [TS]

  about the timing like he has exited that [TS]

  it comes quickly that they don't dwell [TS]

  on it that it's not like it get ready [TS]

  he's gonna do a funny thing they it [TS]

  that's why i kept that's why the laugh [TS]

  comes it's so fast and it's gone because [TS]

  guys like yeah right on he goes pop boom [TS]

  and then they cut away that's it i will [TS]

  say i love i absolutely adore that [TS]

  entire scene where John boyega is trying [TS]

  to talk [TS]

  bb-8 into not reading amount and it only [TS]

  weighs looking back and forth he doesn't [TS]

  know it's like I but he's anything [TS]

  outright the droid has to decide what's [TS]

  right instead of following orders and [TS]

  saying BBA go that way Ba do this [TS]

  bb-8 help me with that the droid has to [TS]

  make a call here like a judgment call [TS]

  and his little head goes back and forth [TS]

  yeah all right [TS]

  mmm yeah I guess we'll do this now it's [TS]

  it's uh and seeing him roll right all i [TS]

  was going to be skeptical about like [TS]

  seeing him roll around in the desert [TS]

  like is it doesn't really feel like that [TS]

  droid could actually roll around in the [TS]

  desert and the fact is it does it's that [TS]

  it feels perfectly natural [TS]

  there are a couple really nice moments [TS]

  not just when he's bouncing around in [TS]

  the Millennium Falcon but there's a nice [TS]

  moment where he gets kind of blasted [TS]

  across the room in something where [TS]

  there's an explosion and and you see the [TS]

  ball and he's like behind the head the [TS]

  head is behind and you see him land and [TS]

  the head pops up which I thought was [TS]

  really nice [TS]

  there's a oh I'll also say when he is [TS]

  bouncing around inside the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon I there is literally the sound [TS]

  effect of a bouncing basketball in in [TS]

  the I heard that there's a little bit of [TS]

  Clank in there to know but there's that [TS]

  but there's one of the sound elements [TS]

  terry's is somebody like recorded a [TS]

  basketball bouncing on the on the floor [TS]

  so that's pretty funny that kind of like [TS]

  clanging sound of the other of a fully [TS]

  inflated kind of basketball bouncing on [TS]

  on concrete or something [TS]

  so that's in there i love that and I and [TS]

  when he moves the only moment was in [TS]

  when he's in the forest and Ray turns [TS]

  around he's like oh you shouldn't be [TS]

  here and I'm like how did he get there [TS]

  that was like that's why I know he's [TS]

  good but he's that good at this but but [TS]

  it is it is the movement seems very [TS]

  natural and I Oh what it's a great idea [TS]

  to have the ball droid and it all it all [TS]

  really work so all of my kind of [TS]

  trepidation of like are they really [TS]

  going to be able to pull off this droid [TS]

  he's the best just think of our to an [TS]

  end or r2 is way harder to explain our [TS]

  to get to places like all right there's [TS]

  no way with your grandparents you could [TS]

  have gotten there maybe if you have your [TS]

  jets from the prequels and we just [TS]

  didn't see you use them all actually [TS]

  pretty good for God's always skeptical [TS]

  about the stairs even but like they have [TS]

  that nice to me today I'm going [TS]

  downstairs chairs as long as you got a [TS]

  better than are too frankly sorry yeah [TS]

  well so i'm honestly the end of the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  all I was there is it a shot where rake [TS]

  lines of a bunch of stairs and bb-8 is [TS]

  not a knot on that journey ba is elected [TS]

  to stay home with no Cameron but are too [TS]

  and Chewie are there and you just get [TS]

  this mournful reply from chewy and r2 [TS]

  just kind of rocking back and forth [TS]

  being like I don't like stairs I'm [TS]

  storming the castle [TS]

  yeah I essentially and all I could think [TS]

  of was man I wish maybe it was there [TS]

  because i would i would really enjoy [TS]

  little bit below ball droid climbing up [TS]

  the stairs with Ray but the the other [TS]

  thing that I think sold bb-8 for me was [TS]

  the the heart that they have destroyed [TS]

  admit I mean when he finds out that pose [TS]

  when he thinks that PO has been murdered [TS]

  he has this beautiful little like he [TS]

  goes from being an attack attack dog [TS]

  mode to almost completely shutting down [TS]

  and being so mournful and that [TS]

  translates to when we find out later [TS]

  that are too has gone into low power [TS]

  mode is basically shut himself down [TS]

  because Luke has left without him which [TS]

  ye i'm i'm still halfway convinced is [TS]

  intentional that Luke actually gave our [TS]

  two yes I directive on but but it's [TS]

  still but you totally believe it in the [TS]

  moment when threepio's like r2 shut down [TS]

  because he misses his master and be you [TS]

  can see be a tree-like sympathetic [TS]

  reaction being like I know it was like [TS]

  who's a master and finally bb-8 is the [TS]

  only droid that can make our to feel [TS]

  like an older unit like can make our to [TS]

  not feel like the start like this [TS]

  scruffy yeah the scruffy little Astro [TS]

  mac that could end it i really like [TS]

  giving giving him some gravitas like [TS]

  giving our to some are two is an older [TS]

  joint around for a lot of movies yeah [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  r2 r2 has the you know may still be a [TS]

  little bit enough start roy but has the [TS]

  has the elderly spirit now because the [TS]

  torch has been passed on to be 82 to go [TS]

  fly the Astro Mac battles and to go all [TS]

  do that do all that fun stuff [TS]

  yeah I'm surprised you didn't mention [TS]

  him racing out to meet his master like [TS]

  that he just got borrowing so beautiful [TS]

  yeah cash max into trend is really a hug [TS]

  side yeah I said little kitten little [TS]

  kitten [TS]

  yeah there they wisely cut away when [TS]

  posed bending down to greet the oncoming [TS]

  bb-8 there's nothing really came good [TS]

  they can come and take it away and then [TS]

  they cut back and they're just hanging [TS]

  out and talking some good good editing [TS]

  their avoid the awkwardness of what does [TS]

  happen when the speeding right meets [TS]

  them and they don't really hugs got no [TS]

  arms it would be weird i would totally [TS]

  hug the BB unit just pick him up [TS]

  yeah he's not that heavy unless you [TS]

  john-boy a guy and apparently [TS]

  stormtroopers have never lifted anything [TS]

  uh ok so we talked about that we've [TS]

  talked about most the characters ran you [TS]

  want to talk about how around a little [TS]

  bit let's talk about color and then you [TS]

  can go first turn okay well [TS]

  kylo Ren so this is absolutely so he's [TS]

  been solo Ben Ben Organa Solo know the [TS]

  the son of land on which I admit I was [TS]

  good enough about spoilers that I did [TS]

  not see this coming [TS]

  I I as soon as it was said I'm like oh [TS]

  yeah of course it's perfect sense and [TS]

  one thing I don't know if we want to [TS]

  talk about or not is the there are a lot [TS]

  of parallels between this movie and the [TS]

  choices made in this movie that parallel [TS]

  some now-defunct and discontinued it [TS]

  expanded universe stories as well as [TS]

  earlier movies yeah I was the force I [TS]

  was thinking the most notable thing here [TS]

  is not the temptation of [TS]

  of a of Anakin Skywalker and the [TS]

  prequels although I suppose that there [TS]

  too but i was thinking very specifically [TS]

  what we hear in dialogue from kylo Ren [TS]

  is very much the flip side of what Luke [TS]

  talks about in the original trilogy [TS]

  which is to the temptation of the dark [TS]

  side and here we interestingly has him [TS]

  tempted by the light side and in that [TS]

  scene where he confronts Han Solo out on [TS]

  the on the bridge there which is also a [TS]

  Luke I am your father kind of parallel a [TS]

  little bit he talks about how you know [TS]

  he's he's struggling and it's difficult [TS]

  and the way to read that is that you you [TS]

  think he's saying it's difficult because [TS]

  the dark side is tempting me but he's [TS]

  actually saying the reverse which is no [TS]

  one's thinking about is paying attention [TS]

  well yeah i know you pick because we [TS]

  have seen so much of the movie we know [TS]

  that but we know hon doesn't know that [TS]

  because hot it's it works because the [TS]

  audience knows the audience knows what [TS]

  he really means exactly thanks ru what [TS]

  you want me to uneven might you could [TS]

  you could argue the heart that hun knows [TS]

  that that's a possibility on it doesn't [TS]

  doesn't matter as far as I was concerned [TS]

  gotta do it is you can anybody yeah [TS]

  that's not white if you're not white [TS]

  knuckle in the armrest at that point I [TS]

  mean I don't know what's wrong with you [TS]

  yes so kylo Ren is a fascinating [TS]

  character i am so excited to see where [TS]

  his character goes in the next two [TS]

  movies because he's been set up so well [TS]

  here we are impetuous we've talked about [TS]

  we talked a little bit about how he [TS]

  reacts you know too bad news and just [TS]

  he's he's out of control he's not he's [TS]

  he's the opposite of what we think about [TS]

  when we think about Jedi even six Jedi [TS]

  he's exactly you know we don't know who [TS]

  who smoke like his his master and the [TS]

  darkness really is exactly don't know if [TS]

  they're if they're six related [TS]

  all we know is that Ben Morgana solo [TS]

  there was an incident when he was young [TS]

  when he was being trained where he [TS]

  inadvertently slaughtered all of Luke's [TS]

  young disciples III think he was the [TS]

  leader of the Knights of the the Knights [TS]

  of Ren they were saying like that i had [TS]

  in the flashback scene where ray touches [TS]

  the lightsaber and show a whole bunch of [TS]

  stuff from both the past and the future [TS]

  is some crazy asian asks yeah they show [TS]

  like kylo Ren in front of a bunch of [TS]

  other dudes what I have the read i got [TS]

  from [TS]

  again knowing nothing about expanding [TS]

  universe or any of the rumors i still [TS]

  haven't read most of the backstory is [TS]

  that like looks Janet training the new [TS]

  jedi and one of his students get some [TS]

  weird dark ideas in his head whether by [TS]

  himself or whether it was influenced by [TS]

  somewhere outside and he sort of [TS]

  organizes you know like darkness sleep [TS]

  seeps into the class like 11 bad kid [TS]

  makes all the other bad kids act up but [TS]

  much worse and so the dark side to sleep [TS]

  then and that they showed him like [TS]

  killing somebody like maybe they just [TS]

  they went through and tried to kill a [TS]

  bunch of people you know these are all [TS]

  still untrained eye this point but he [TS]

  basically had a band of followers and I [TS]

  don't know where they are now always has [TS]

  it that that that uh that cause [TS]

  disruption in the classroom we're going [TS]

  to come that you know and then Luke goes [TS]

  off as like the theory i I've seen and I [TS]

  kind of subscribe to now based on what [TS]

  little I know is that Luke goes off the [TS]

  bases say it's better for me to bail and [TS]

  think about what is screwed up before [TS]

  these guys are full train Jedi's rather [TS]

  than to try to like this fixing this [TS]

  would be this 1i have to kill all these [TS]

  guys so he just goes off leaving them [TS]

  essentially uncreated crappy Jedi with [TS]

  their lightsabers don't even work that [TS]

  will sparks coming out of and everything [TS]

  like that and they think they're big [TS]

  band at tufts but as we see he's really [TS]

  just a messed up scared kid who's got [TS]

  the wrong heroes [TS]

  yeah yeah could be could be could be but [TS]

  regardless he's the one of the notable [TS]

  things that happens in the very last [TS]

  thing that Snoke says is get kylo Ren it [TS]

  is time to compete his complete his [TS]

  training because this thing is we've [TS]

  seen it [TS]

  this is he's not Darth Vader all the [TS]

  water is interesting about him is that [TS]

  he is in some ways imagine Darth Vader [TS]

  with the possibility of playing a [TS]

  legitimate possibility to be redeemed [TS]

  like Darth Vader so far gone that his [TS]

  Redemption comes at the end of his life [TS]

  but I think we all have to hold out hope [TS]

  as a part of the storyline that they can [TS]

  get through to him and that he has a [TS]

  possibility of redeeming himself and [TS]

  that's I think that's interesting [TS]

  because Darth Vader is beyond redemption [TS]

  but perhaps the kylo Ren is not well [TS]

  they push they push them far away from [TS]

  on the bridge that like his whole thing [TS]

  is he wants he wants this pain to be [TS]

  gone and he thinks he can get rid of it [TS]

  by like going fully already successful [TS]

  matter not we'll see in the next movies [TS]

  even more [TS]

  tortured or has he broken through to [TS]

  something else but he's moving farther [TS]

  away not closer that was my question to [TS]

  me I mean I feel the way John does which [TS]

  is I felt like watching that scene is [TS]

  like wow that's like AI mean that's like [TS]

  pretty much the worst thing you can do [TS]

  right there and you did it strikes me [TS]

  struck me as likewise so he's not [TS]

  getting married anytime soon if that's [TS]

  true me because it's so bad you can't [TS]

  just about facing the next movie and be [TS]

  like now you know okay he's done some [TS]

  bad stuff they're a little easier down [TS]

  general Organa going to welcome him back [TS]

  you know like it's it it he he really [TS]

  seems hell-bent on getting past this [TS]

  whole having a conscience light side [TS]

  temptation here he wants to go to the [TS]

  darkside his hero is darth vader and you [TS]

  know the thing is like didn't didn't [TS]

  look tell his students that like in the [TS]

  end Darth Vader turned it around he's [TS]

  not necessarily it could be maybe they [TS]

  have been murdered a dropout bloggers [TS]

  that that we did that lesson maybe maybe [TS]

  they're like all that's end-of-semester [TS]

  stuff we're gonna work up to that I and [TS]

  i think the other problem your is sort [TS]

  of interesting issue here with kylo Ren [TS]

  as a character is that this whole like [TS]

  yeah the whole light side darkside thing [TS]

  for him is a very it is interesting that [TS]

  a flip this on its head and that they [TS]

  have this sort of temptation there and [TS]

  that you do have that scene that you can [TS]

  read both ways while he's talking to her [TS]

  on the bridge but I yeah I don't know [TS]

  why it's interesting character he is [TS]

  very much like he's like a rebellious [TS]

  teenager right like that's kind of what [TS]

  the read on him is like I don't like my [TS]

  parents im gonna go my grandfather's [TS]

  cool i'm gonna go like you know totally [TS]

  do the thing that my parents would be [TS]

  really important that I did you know and [TS]

  and it's hard to tell like I you know [TS]

  having seen Adam driver and a few other [TS]

  things I kind of expected him to take [TS]

  off the mask and have like the weasley [TS]

  moustachy as a lot of other places and [TS]

  so when he's clean-shaven it's a bit [TS]

  like it just in me it it makes such a [TS]

  big impression of how young he looks [TS]

  there and it's not clear to me exactly [TS]

  how young he is supposed to be i would [TS]

  say probably or around 220 may be like [TS]

  but like maybe a little bit older than [TS]

  that but he said what I think there's a [TS]

  cover your swing and yeah that direction [TS]

  but like either way like you know he [TS]

  does read as sort of the rebellious [TS]

  teenager who is you know for taking [TS]

  everything [TS]

  met his parents were into and really [TS]

  just determined to kind of control but [TS]

  with a little conflict in there because [TS]

  somewhere you know inside him he does [TS]

  realize that maybe there is that isn't [TS]

  the best solution so it's an interesting [TS]

  character [TS]

  I i think that it's it's tough to redeem [TS]

  him easily after what we saw him do and [TS]

  that's going to be a very I like you [TS]

  know we talk a little bit about where [TS]

  you start with this being the launchpad [TS]

  of the new trilogy and what's to come [TS]

  next and I think that is an [TS]

  exceptionally interesting question given [TS]

  how much stuff that has been mirrored [TS]

  from the original trilogy but the the [TS]

  very start different directions they've [TS]

  chosen have you guys seen him and girls [TS]

  yeah it so I I've watched all the girls [TS]

  and that's the main place I know him [TS]

  from and I think a lot of people are [TS]

  like if you've seen him on girls it's [TS]

  kind of weird like oh it's that guy from [TS]

  girls and you get taken out of it in [TS]

  terms in terms of the shirt is on here [TS]

  so let's pick if it's but in terms of [TS]

  the casting like it can take you out of [TS]

  it for a second because like oh he's [TS]

  like my girls but the thing is i think [TS]

  it's brilliant casting because whether [TS]

  it's because he's one of those actors [TS]

  who lets a lot of his own personality [TS]

  show through it all of his characters i [TS]

  haven't seen enough to know this or it's [TS]

  because they cast him because of his [TS]

  role and girls the way his character and [TS]

  girls deals with emotions and [TS]

  emotionally difficult situations in a [TS]

  very unhealthy way it's very similar [TS]

  than the very unhealthy way the kylo Ren [TS]

  deals with his emotions and like [TS]

  what's-his-name that everyone's [TS]

  Cumberbatch like Cumberbatch both of [TS]

  them look a little bit alien yeah a [TS]

  little bit ly arranged located they look [TS]

  a little bit alien like both of them is [TS]

  white Sherlock is a person who doesn't [TS]

  process emotions or the same century and [TS]

  was everyone else same way everyone [TS]

  else's needs kylo Ren he looked easy he [TS]

  acts messed up [TS]

  he's weird like he's not entirely stable [TS]

  as they would say the home the whole his [TS]

  whole life I've felt both the actor and [TS]

  the character have that vibe so this is [TS]

  good casting i love his big crazy hair [TS]

  yeah just you know i love is weird [TS]

  looking face and I just love his whole [TS]

  vibe and yes all those things are very [TS]

  adam from girls like but it's the right [TS]

  wake up with this character like it just [TS]

  so happens that this character in many [TS]

  ways is like adam from girls but you [TS]

  know that [TS]

  got off on a darker path so I i love his [TS]

  weirdness I look in the same way that [TS]

  kind of like you know the action movie [TS]

  trope really good action movies have [TS]

  like any a bad guy who is a little bit [TS]

  mentally unstable and you don't quite [TS]

  know what he's going to do and he's a [TS]

  little bit weird and that adds something [TS]

  to him with collar and I feel like [TS]

  there's not like especially if he [TS]

  totally hit his goal is like to [TS]

  disassociate he wants to disassociate [TS]

  from his feelings from his past from [TS]

  everything from his parents and if [TS]

  killing his father is gonna help him [TS]

  disassociate but like is he even [TS]

  controllable is smoke gonna turn hits no [TS]

  it's not going to turn him into a [TS]

  beating a lap dog like he's gonna be and [TS]

  as they would say an agent of chaos in [TS]

  the next two movies on I imagine that [TS]

  that when we see him again he is going [TS]

  to be either in training to be or will [TS]

  be a Sith Lord [TS]

  I think that's where we're going is that [TS]

  he's going to be Darth [TS]

  something-or-other because he wants to [TS]

  continue down this path and then his [TS]

  training will be complete and Inhofe [TS]

  solo [TS]

  yeah well it'll be talking about a bad [TS]

  so that would not be good so good that [TS]

  already know better but that's exactly [TS]

  right by one of the things we should [TS]

  talk about is is 0 is the loose ends and [TS]

  where we go from here because I think [TS]

  that's one of the beautiful things about [TS]

  this story is there are lots of loose [TS]

  ends i read an interview with JJ Abrams [TS]

  where he said specifically and I think [TS]

  he's dead on one of the great things [TS]

  about the original Star Wars is there [TS]

  are all these statements that are made [TS]

  in it that hint at just giant backstory [TS]

  or wide swathes of universe that are not [TS]

  addressed or explained in anyway it's [TS]

  just like oh well there's this thing and [TS]

  then you find the clone wars whatever [TS]

  and it's just kinda like they move on [TS]

  and you have to fill in the gaps with [TS]

  your imagination and there is a lot of [TS]

  that in this film and I like that [TS]

  because i feel like in a lot of [TS]

  blockbusters modern blockbusters there [TS]

  is this economy of scope where the only [TS]

  things that get mentioned are the things [TS]

  that we need to resolve the story later [TS]

  and otherwise we take it all out [TS]

  otherwise it's just mopped up and it's [TS]

  perfectly tidy and Star Wars has never [TS]

  really been that and this movie is not [TS]

  like that there are lots of things that [TS]

  are tossed off that you never get any [TS]

  more information about so there's that [TS]

  aspect of it and then there's the aspect [TS]

  of it that this is very clearly a film [TS]

  that when you get to the end you're [TS]

  excited [TS]

  find out what happens next because this [TS]

  is not the completion of a journey it is [TS]

  step one on a new journey and that's [TS]

  really exciting but it does mean that we [TS]

  are left at the end of this film with [TS]

  all these questions about like hey Finn [TS]

  has the back [TS]

  you doing okay and bl bb-8 oh right he [TS]

  belongs to PO he can't go with with [TS]

  fitted with ray what's gonna happen [TS]

  there and Luke Skywalker say something [TS]

  all of these things are to come but uh [TS]

  so I think it's exciting that we're at [TS]

  that point where we've got not only kind [TS]

  of things that may never be a a dress [TS]

  like that where Luke's lightsaber was [TS]

  found in the yeah I i really wanted to [TS]

  know and I were another time you want I [TS]

  so badly wanted to know that because I [TS]

  was like wow that's been it was like [TS]

  they fell down the word best been like [TS]

  like 30 years ago was in the garbage the [TS]

  same junk collectors are just waiting [TS]

  for lightsabers to fall from the sky [TS]

  scavengers don't don't let a lightsaber [TS]

  fall from the sky in your head [TS]

  pro tip slowly turn off they had like a [TS]

  like a little switch that when you pass [TS]

  out that just turn off we saw that in [TS]

  fact but you know it is exciting that [TS]

  we're that we have to think about where [TS]

  we're going next year right what's the [TS]

  next movie about because you mentioned [TS]

  what where where does kyle ringo and I [TS]

  thought about that that's the beauty of [TS]

  it is that where is Rako we know the [TS]

  film ends with her on the top of them [TS]

  the mountain which she clearly has been [TS]

  in mental contact with Luke Skywalker in [TS]

  her dreams because she says I imagine an [TS]

  ocean I see the island [TS]

  yeah I like they didn't hammer that home [TS]

  that is known for you to figure out yet [TS]

  but it's it but then we go and there's [TS]

  the ocean and there's the island it's [TS]

  like okay she's been seeing either [TS]

  mental contact or being seeing the [TS]

  future whatever but you don't really [TS]

  like that that's the beauty of the [TS]

  forest she's been seeing her past and [TS]

  her few that's how the fortune when she [TS]

  sees kylo Ren betraying his classes the [TS]

  Jedi Academy she see a course she's [TS]

  agreement about that island that's her [TS]

  future she just didn't know should have [TS]

  a context for understanding this was no [TS]

  one like you never explained her you [TS]

  know you're gonna see the future in the [TS]

  past in the force [TS]

  no no [TS]

  strange dreams yeah yeah yeah I know it [TS]

  but it's a presumably she's going to be [TS]

  trained and and Luke's there looking [TS]

  like a like obi-wan Kenobi and he's [TS]

  gonna presumably train her in the ways [TS]

  of the force while smoke or somebody [TS]

  whoever Snoke is other than like a giant [TS]

  holographic column is is gonna do the [TS]

  same for color n so you know that's [TS]

  that's the you know we can see the [TS]

  pieces are being moved here and then of [TS]

  course there's been the attack on a [TS]

  republic so who knows what the backdrop [TS]

  is in terms of the kind of the Galactic [TS]

  story there's a lot there's a lot here [TS]

  to two questions is are they just [TS]

  standing on the top of that mountain for [TS]

  like a really long time [TS]

  III just like staring each other down [TS]

  that's all that's on my bad list now [TS]

  he's first his first task yeah well it's [TS]

  like I get her extending her hand but [TS]

  it's like they had the shot where she [TS]

  extends her arm with the lightsaber and [TS]

  they have the helicopter shot helicopter [TS]

  is usm boat [TS]

  no I know how I got a helicopter shot is [TS]

  so wrong so lord of the rings that just [TS]

  made me sad i have a lot of the rings [TS]

  and survivor as my reference points that [TS]

  first of all being a Jedi [TS]

  how long can you hold the lightsaber up [TS]

  yeah well so here like this this is [TS]

  actually the longest section in my bad [TS]

  section is correct about the helicopter [TS]

  shot because it is such an obvious [TS]

  misstep it is so unnecessary is so short [TS]

  here's what's wrong ago and already said [TS]

  Lord of the Rings has that visual [TS]

  language staked out in modern we so does [TS]

  survive or another reality programs [TS]

  there's no precedent for that kind of [TS]

  shot and the rest of this movie or the [TS]

  rest of Star Wars and there are certain [TS]

  problems inherent in helicopter shots [TS]

  the background is the fastest moving [TS]

  thing in the background shot and it's in [TS]

  focus because of the huge focal depth [TS]

  because of the zoom on the thing so you [TS]

  are mostly distracted by the dazzling [TS]

  background of moving behind them instead [TS]

  of looking at the characters that draws [TS]

  your eye and because the helicopter shot [TS]

  your actors have to hold the same pose [TS]

  for a long time and inevitably the [TS]

  emphatic outstretched hand that you saw [TS]

  in the actual you know medium shot is [TS]

  gone in the helicopter shopping she's [TS]

  been holding her arm out like for an [TS]

  hour while the helicopter the drone [TS]

  circles may keep holding your arm out [TS]

  the upholding your aren't you just don't [TS]

  get as good performances all my god i [TS]

  just want to remove that shot so badly [TS]

  the movie really could working with with [TS]

  Luke just pulling his head back and like [TS]

  scary like any card that like that [TS]

  wouldn't [TS]

  didn't have the courage of his [TS]

  convictions you didn't have the courage [TS]

  to end with the sharp cut you can with a [TS]

  sharp cut after she extends her arm you [TS]

  could end after Luke takes his hood off [TS]

  you can end with just a look at on [TS]

  Luke's face because the whole idea is [TS]

  that's the deciding moment what's going [TS]

  to happen is Luke going to accept the [TS]

  call [TS]

  I mean he's a hermit for a reason you it [TS]

  was here has he been expecting her so [TS]

  it's all in his facial expression but [TS]

  this just so many ways you could have [TS]

  cut that and ended it dramatically if [TS]

  you had the courage to do so all the [TS]

  helicopter shot all JJ why i didn't i [TS]

  didn't hate the helicopter shot i hated [TS]

  the length of it because it seemed to [TS]

  completely ridiculous that she would [TS]

  have her arm extended for that matter [TS]

  that yeah that was thing we all walked [TS]

  out of it being like are they still just [TS]

  yeah I'm here for like three million [TS]

  that its artistic license and that I [TS]

  think that it's just she hands the [TS]

  lightsaber and then they decided it's [TS]

  freeze frame but it looks off but it [TS]

  does she handle like that's the [TS]

  detention of the moment is that [TS]

  lightsabers offered we don't know if the [TS]

  light there was accepted because again [TS]

  Luke has his peace out on this whole [TS]

  thing like he is contemplating he is a [TS]

  way we don't know if he's been calling [TS]

  to her with the dream where she's just [TS]

  been dreaming about it because it's her [TS]

  potential future but Luke is not signing [TS]

  up to be like he's not there helping the [TS]

  resistance out he's he's away [TS]

  yeah reason so the whole thing and uh he [TS]

  said he's away for a reason but our to [TS]

  activated for a reason I just like to [TS]

  say episode 8 should start with them [TS]

  still staying there is dark out but [TS]

  that's just be the first shot when you [TS]

  look at all right we're good I are done [TS]

  great episode 8 will gloss over that [TS]

  because really I was most interested in [TS]

  this thing is what the setup is like how [TS]

  do you convince Luke to come back he's [TS]

  got reasons for thinking like that that [TS]

  he's doing more harm than good and he [TS]

  needs to to go away or maybe he's on a [TS]

  research mission like you don't know [TS]

  what the whole deal is but I just don't [TS]

  like that his best friend got killed [TS]

  come on by his former student / nephew [TS]

  like that's a pretty good reason to come [TS]

  back [TS]

  i don't like losing is you don't know if [TS]

  if he is not if he's a way for a reason [TS]

  that is that is convincing him that he [TS]

  will need to be convinced you know that [TS]

  that like that the arguments to be made [TS]

  if they just cut for words like oh now [TS]

  raise trained and Luke was a trainer [TS]

  wait how do i get recalled why you [TS]

  decided to come back we're going to be [TS]

  good [TS]

  but also i mean i think there's were [TS]

  overlooking a major or not necessarily [TS]

  overlooking but not talking about a [TS]

  major aspect of this which in part is [TS]

  raised parentage and in part is you know [TS]

  if it was just about convincing Luke to [TS]

  come back [TS]

  Leia would have been on that on that [TS]

  train like a layout and finally oh no [TS]

  I'm saying that when they when they go [TS]

  to leave its ray chewy and r2 if it was [TS]

  just about her if it was just about Luke [TS]

  need to come back and help us you know [TS]

  defeat ray and defeat rent and defeat [TS]

  all of this problem this first order [TS]

  nonsense she would have come but it's [TS]

  not it's not just Luke me to come back [TS]

  its Luke here is this super powerful [TS]

  Jedi that just had a run-in with your [TS]

  failed apprentice let's maybe you should [TS]

  consider training her and also maybe [TS]

  she's your daughter maybe she's real is [TS]

  related to you either way she's a very [TS]

  powerful Jedi TVD I go igo strongly [TS]

  against the like I'm really hoping she's [TS]

  not in any way related to them i think [TS]

  the the explanation in some way like i [TS]

  don't know i came out of the sort of [TS]

  like over the more metatextual analysis [TS]

  of like of course she is a person who is [TS]

  like from a desert planet who is [TS]

  untrained who come goes off to join the [TS]

  rebellion and get sucked into events [TS]

  beyond her control and I feel like maybe [TS]

  there's there's yeah he again yeah [TS]

  Johnson me annoyed with me for talking [TS]

  about the force again but I feel like [TS]

  there's a pattern right like there's [TS]

  certain amount of patterns that keep [TS]

  that arise in in these kinds of movies [TS]

  and you mean you can you can take sort [TS]

  of adjust of campbell approach it if you [TS]

  want and say like the hero's journey and [TS]

  how these things work but I think in [TS]

  some ways it had to be that the person [TS]

  who was going to be able to defeat the [TS]

  person defeat a villain who is related [TS]

  to him like the most powerful Jedi blood [TS]

  is gonna have to sort of come from the [TS]

  same humble origins and follow a similar [TS]

  path of the patterns i was seeing was [TS]

  getting more cynical take like look this [TS]

  program whereby you take children that [TS]

  you may want to hide that maybe force [TS]

  powerful and put them on a desert planet [TS]

  this program is not working now this is [TS]

  this this relocation and adoption foster [TS]

  family desert planet first child it is [TS]

  totally that they need to stop that [TS]

  because it just you know what happens [TS]

  like I have their life on the planet but [TS]

  then they come out from the planet and [TS]

  they're just a problem for everybody so [TS]

  if you think you're hiding in there it's [TS]

  not going to work you can make your [TS]

  getting them out of the game there it's [TS]

  not going to work stop putting these [TS]

  kids on desert plants like this is [TS]

  dennis assuming that she was put there [TS]

  intentionally hard part of raised part [TS]

  of rays story in the next film [TS]

  definitely has to be you know why was [TS]

  she left on jakku who is she [TS]

  you know what lets her what's her story [TS]

  and how she deals with that because if [TS]

  she if she was you know i'm not sure my [TS]

  gut feeling is that she was left there [TS]

  temporarily and then something happened [TS]

  perhaps even a a terrible thing [TS]

  involving Luke Skywalker's of people's [TS]

  or something but something something bad [TS]

  happened and then and and she's now sort [TS]

  of stuck there but I don't know why [TS]

  would you put her there temporarily in [TS]

  the care of that evil gruff guy who [TS]

  doesn't give her another that's what a [TS]

  hand or two like when it is a little [TS]

  girl screaming personal drafts of the [TS]

  script had her with maximum so those [TS]

  character and that's I it's not really [TS]

  clarified in this version [TS]

  who exactly who she's staying with a [TS]

  lead to hear the gruff guy in that one [TS]

  flashback be like come on girl stop [TS]

  crying yeah it's it's a it's a mystery [TS]

  but obviously that's that's a key part [TS]

  of her story that we would have to deal [TS]

  with him and still I mean I think she's [TS]

  related to the resistance in some way [TS]

  because she has a tiny x-wing doll and [TS]

  it's not like unless unless someone was [TS]

  carrying around a tiny x-wing doll in [TS]

  that Salvage which I highly doubt i'm [TS]

  guessing the tiny x-wing y'all is her [TS]

  excuse is made in making her sighs yeah [TS]

  the battle of jakku is all around her [TS]

  but she's not idolizing x-wing pilot [TS]

  right so there's something you don't [TS]

  know about the origin of skywalker she [TS]

  knows about the morning on solo all of [TS]

  the items you Jedi mind-trick sheet it's [TS]

  not like that comes out of thin air [TS]

  she knows the Jedi mind-trick exist [TS]

  because it's part of the myth of Luke [TS]

  Skywalker in the midst of the force that [TS]

  she is you know come in contact with [TS]

  through the the tales of the war she [TS]

  knows Han Solo's and you know that war [TS]

  like she knows all the stories I mean [TS]

  and they just may sound fantastical but [TS]

  she's play-acting them by putting the [TS]

  helmet on everything [TS]

  not ever like she's not like looking to [TS]

  the sky longing to join the rebellion [TS]

  she's more like you know putting it on [TS]

  her head like the same way could put on [TS]

  like a fireman's helmet only some only a [TS]

  few kids actually have the ambition to [TS]

  become fireman but everyone was on the [TS]

  fireman helmet so she's putting on the [TS]

  pilot helmet like that would be fun but [TS]

  that's not my life so we should talk [TS]

  about we've been talking for a while but [TS]

  we've got some stuff to cover yet a [TS]

  classic series classic trilogy [TS]

  characters you know we mentioned yet han [TS]

  Solo getting killed by his son but han [TS]

  and Leia and you know Luke appears at [TS]

  the end but but if you've got thoughts [TS]

  about he doesn't even get a line and [TS]

  he's like second bill the poster i think [TS]

  a second building the credits that's [TS]

  what blew me and Harrison Ford seconds [TS]

  mark hamill really hit his agent isn't [TS]

  me [TS]

  it is pretty good well you know he's [TS]

  obviously going to appear again and [TS]

  whereas Han Solo is is the one who is [TS]

  the strongest presence in this film at [TS]

  which is one of the reasons that i was [TS]

  sitting halfway through going well he's [TS]

  in this movie a lot I've yes is it [TS]

  well where we call that three years ago [TS]

  yeah me yeah you remember that episode [TS]

  where like who do we think is gonna die [TS]

  in the the first episode of Star Wars [TS]

  and I think we all agreed on it was nice [TS]

  to know that they be like they clearly [TS]

  were like alright wearing one movie is [TS]

  informal we're gonna we're gonna we're [TS]

  gonna we're gonna use in a ringing every [TS]

  in bounced out of him and he gets a I [TS]

  really i thought it was I thought it was [TS]

  great i really think he looks like he's [TS]

  having fun he looks like Han Solo he [TS]

  talks like on solo I you know not to say [TS]

  I a liked all of the decisions that were [TS]

  made about his character but I really [TS]

  can't fault him it all for the [TS]

  performance in this movie it's just is i [TS]

  r8 John is grumbling but i'm gonna say i [TS]

  delight in his performance in this movie [TS]

  whether it be borrowing cheese Bokassa [TS]

  really like this or just you know any of [TS]

  the other talking to John boyega and [TS]

  Daisy Ridley I just I think it's great [TS]

  it's yes he's a heavy he's a bit of a [TS]

  deus ex machina at a lot of these points [TS]

  but that makes it that much more [TS]

  meaningful when he gets killed [TS]

  you know it's it is sort of like we're [TS]

  gonna we're gonna anchor you in from [TS]

  this character that you [TS]

  so in love we're going to have him be [TS]

  around to sort of explain what's what's [TS]

  going on but we're also not gonna let [TS]

  you rely on him forever because you know [TS]

  he's he's gotta roll to serve and he [TS]

  sort of you know ends up being this this [TS]

  film's obi-wan Kenobi you like up hey [TS]

  I'm the experience characters here for [TS]

  you now you're on your own so I I [TS]

  thought he was deployed [TS]

  well i know not everybody thinks the [TS]

  same thing but they're wrong [TS]

  I think you hit the nail on the head [TS]

  when you said he looks like Han Solo he [TS]

  talks like console-like and that I think [TS]

  is the the root of the problem areas [TS]

  it's always going to be problematic [TS]

  these things for a lot of reasons first [TS]

  of all I mentioned before that this [TS]

  movie is nominated make it tries to make [TS]

  everybody into actual characters [TS]

  including groups that are traditionally [TS]

  not allowed to be actual characters [TS]

  which includes women sadly but also old [TS]

  people most of the time when there's a [TS]

  character the age of these actors in the [TS]

  movies they're defining characteristic [TS]

  is that they're old they're old and [TS]

  their wives or their old and some [TS]

  character that I and so they they fill [TS]

  the role of the old person Harrison [TS]

  forward and and and Carrie Fisher are [TS]

  not in this movie primarily as old [TS]

  people they are playing characters with [TS]

  with particular roles which is [TS]

  refreshing and great and it's a little [TS]

  bit weird because I said when do old [TS]

  people get roles that this old in movies [TS]

  that aren't defined by their like I'm a [TS]

  grandfather i am the elder said max area [TS]

  reg I'm the wise older first yeah max is [TS]

  one of the other few examples where that [TS]

  old person and in the the band of biker [TS]

  women is not defined by her being old [TS]

  she just happens to be old but she's a [TS]

  character anyway so that is all good and [TS]

  refreshing but when you have characters [TS]

  this old when people aged what they do [TS]

  how what they do with their life [TS]

  necessarily has to change because aging [TS]

  is a real thing and they asked Harrison [TS]

  Ford in this movie to do pretty much [TS]

  every single thing in the same way that [TS]

  Han Solo did when he was 35 years old [TS]

  wherever he was in the original trilogy [TS]

  and that I mean it's just it's just [TS]

  difficult to pull off its heart it for [TS]

  plausibility wise you would imagine sure [TS]

  console is still around but he's older [TS]

  now and has to go about his hunt soloing [TS]

  in a different way rather than going [TS]

  about Han soloing in essentially the [TS]

  same way he's always gone about it [TS]

  because he's clever with the blaster [TS]

  he's good with talking like he did all [TS]

  the things that he's down the other [TS]

  movies but try [TS]

  to make a 73 year old like what it comes [TS]

  down to is i'm not entirely sure that [TS]

  the actor was up for it and i think it [TS]

  makes sense of the Act would be up for [TS]

  it because the actor is really old to [TS]

  just like the character and the [TS]

  character would not be up to it either [TS]

  and I think lake a much better one [TS]

  because she's not in the movie that much [TS]

  and second because everything they had [TS]

  her doing was in a way that would be [TS]

  totally appropriate for a person her age [TS]

  she wasn't running through the death [TS]

  star saying you know you came in that [TS]

  thing you're braver than I thought in [TS]

  blasting you know she's not doing that [TS]

  anymore because she's-she's to hold for [TS]

  that you can't that's not her think [TS]

  she's not swing across Kane's she's not [TS]

  shooting people on you know endure but [TS]

  it's it was not a good fit between his [TS]

  character and what they asked him to do [TS]

  based on age now that said because [TS]

  Harrison Ford and he's an amazing human [TS]

  being he pulled off almost everything he [TS]

  was asked to do pretty convincingly [TS]

  almost convincingly because he's he's an [TS]

  amazing person he's a good actor he [TS]

  knows how solar really well he pulled [TS]

  off a lot of funny lines that would only [TS]

  be funny coming from Han Solo some of [TS]

  them would only be funny coming from an [TS]

  older han Solo and added give it credit [TS]

  for but I think the general sort of [TS]

  cognitive dissonance has two parts one [TS]

  is that we're just like I said I used to [TS]

  sing old people be at get to be actual [TS]

  characters aren't defined by the agents [TS]

  the good happen and the bad half is Han [TS]

  Solo at this age though he may still [TS]

  have the same attitude and be young at [TS]

  heart would necessarily have to change [TS]

  the way he Han Solo's and I felt like he [TS]

  had sold in this one too much like the [TS]

  old I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with [TS]

  you because of the way that the script [TS]

  is set up and and it's set up this way [TS]

  for this reason i think which is Han [TS]

  Solo is regressing at he has gone into a [TS]

  spiral after losing his son and he saw [TS]

  and he's gone back to what he was doing [TS]

  his to any and he's not as good at it [TS]

  and he's getting in trouble and he's at [TS]

  it and he's kinda down-on-his-luck and [TS]

  he's run out of people to to swindle in [TS]

  the galaxy and so I feel like that's [TS]

  that's the script saying you know this [TS]

  is what happens when you know he's [TS]

  regressed to his old ways and it's not [TS]

  going so well and it's actually kind of [TS]

  sad a little bit i mean it's like it's [TS]

  great that it's on solo but although I'm [TS]

  unclear whether he was ever really that [TS]

  great at his job of being a being a [TS]

  scoundrel and a swindler cuz he [TS]

  you know we have the death Marky he's [TS]

  always kind of been in trouble but but i [TS]

  think that you're meant to feel like [TS]

  really a little bit of like really hot [TS]

  it's great to see that you're a swindler [TS]

  again but it's also kind of sad because [TS]

  when you're running away from a roll [TS]

  right like that's right you are hero of [TS]

  the rebellion you were a general how the [TS]

  hell'd it [TS]

  hell'd it [TS]

  you end up picking up trash it's like [TS]

  it's like a marriage breaking up with [TS]

  the death of a child it is the envy the [TS]

  disappearance of their of their son and [TS]

  the to him turning evil you know they [TS]

  hit his relationship with layout fell [TS]

  apart at that point he was kind of off [TS]

  with his freighter and his crew most of [TS]

  whom got eaten by the by the freight and [TS]

  it's just I mean I i buy it because [TS]

  that's what his story arc is sort of put [TS]

  out to be and and so that makes me kind [TS]

  of except where Han is so I accept all [TS]

  that that's good for the backstory my [TS]

  product problematic part is not all that [TS]

  because like you said it works is that [TS]

  after the death of a child the break-up [TS]

  him on the garbage ship which is pretty [TS]

  crappy him looking for the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon to read to regain his lost youth [TS]

  or whatever that all fits a spin and his [TS]

  general and competence on the ship and [TS]

  his crew getting stuff from the problem [TS]

  is his hands holding through the rest of [TS]

  the movie with Rey and Finn like running [TS]

  around shooting at people exactly that [TS]

  is the han Solo and he is in there in [TS]

  the mixture we could be in the mix [TS]

  because I you know the different cookies [TS]

  is still in this primer whatever he it's [TS]

  the actions in the plot of the movie [TS]

  when he is essentially the mover and [TS]

  shaker of console for abortions leading [TS]

  the assault i can get them into the base [TS]

  i can run around i can run down hallways [TS]

  I can punch people i can shoot and that [TS]

  is old style hot so loving and it would [TS]

  be okay if you wanted to try to do those [TS]

  things but he should be way worse at it [TS]

  and like it's not a big deal it's not [TS]

  like it took me out of the movie and [TS]

  like i said if anyone can pull it off [TS]

  it's him and if I and if anyone's gonna [TS]

  buy into it it's going to be us who have [TS]

  this incredible affection for the Han [TS]

  Solo character but it's it's borderline [TS]

  like I really feel like it [TS]

  what do you want you want him to like [TS]

  pants and say I'm too old for this crap [TS]

  get fast that he has like I said you [TS]

  have to as it as actual people get older [TS]

  you have to find a way to go about [TS]

  whatever it is you're trying to do in a [TS]

  different way like you have to become [TS]

  more treacherous and Wiley and rely on [TS]

  base he does that in any interpersonal [TS]

  skills interpersonal seems he leans on [TS]

  the fact that he's been around the block [TS]

  and he's not as stupid he was when in [TS]

  the original they always figure out the [TS]

  papers [TS]

  yes he's knows a thing or two he looks [TS]

  he looks at Ben and knows for a fact [TS]

  instantly this guy's not with the [TS]

  resistance [TS]

  all right he is that is showing his age [TS]

  and his wisdom and you could have had [TS]

  him in the movie in the same way does he [TS]

  have to be with them running around [TS]

  blasting setting charges and he's got to [TS]

  have the conversation at some point but [TS]

  I feel like you could have you got to [TS]

  give him way to do is Han soloing in a [TS]

  way like it like sort of like a blue an [TS]

  animal like you know hide its injury [TS]

  when it has like a limp or something to [TS]

  not appear weak you have to have a way [TS]

  for him to hide all his frailties [TS]

  instead of saying no he's at 70 whatever [TS]

  he's still able to run down the hallways [TS]

  of Death Star like things and black [TS]

  people [TS]

  what about it it's a fantasy movie he [TS]

  can be he can be old and spry and I know [TS]

  opens fri people do plenty of that stuff [TS]

  so I mean not necessarily run around [TS]

  punching people with doing things but [TS]

  like there are there are exceptions to [TS]

  every rule and I don't think it [TS]

  necessarily you have to say it follows [TS]

  is really really it is actually the [TS]

  annual with the in-universe thing I [TS]

  don't know you can explain that away [TS]

  right but I I feel like just the the [TS]

  real problem with it is that the actor [TS]

  the actor himself if you don't know why [TS]

  he was holding not my thing for me is [TS]

  like he sold everything he did he know [TS]