The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the Intolerable under 271 November 2015 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable i'm [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► your host Jason Steele we are here with [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► a special timely breaking news to detect [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► attitude edition of the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► because just this week [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► CBS announced that it's happening [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► there's a new star trac TV series in the [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► works up to appear on your screen in [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► january of 2017 not this January it will [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► be a year from this January but still [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► first new star trek in on TV in a decade [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► here to talk about the ramifications [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► this is like the star trek version of a [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► star wars trailer analysis to talk about [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► the ramifications of this what what are [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► dreams and hopes are for a new star trek [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► and some of the interesting choices that [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► are being made by CBS i'm joined by a [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► panel of people who have things to say [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► about Star Trek first and foremost a [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► host of random track on this very [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► uncomfortable network mr. Scott McNulty [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► hi Scott [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► I'm very excited to be here i hope that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► this the title of the new star trek [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► series is going to be CSI star trek but [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► it's possible [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► did you read the book oh no way it's not [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► a book club episode also here I wouldn't [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► do start podcast without her [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► it is Brianna Wu hello what's up I [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► really looking forward to hearing damn [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► or in seeing the star trek lyrics that [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► that gene roddenberry road at the end of [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► the show i'm really looking dan I can't [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► wait to hear it here is can warranty on [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► the room to starlight on the island [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► longer some Starflight i know that in [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► Star studies reaches out of love [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Strangelove star woman teaches you more [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► this year hide and i am really delighted [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► to be here is about the second best [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► science fiction franchise are you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► come on Jack this man right here all [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► austin i will drive to your house break [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► will drive the car and i will run to CVS [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► and buy toilet paper and I'm looking [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► where we don't care how i think it's [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► only right spare that's where i can we [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► actually I could use some toilet paper [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► so you could be home before and also [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► david lawrence here LOL hello I'm also [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► very excited I just I didn't see the [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► whole Chuck Lorre executive producing I [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► think it's strange that they're having [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► the Muppets and star trek I don't know [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► what that's about [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► strange that's awesome that's the best [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► idea I've heard all night big zoo sprues [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► so I we should say we should say why [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► we're here and what what's going on to [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► CBS announced it would let me know if [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► you know why we're here now on Monday [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► November second 2015 CBS announced that [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► they are going to do a new star trek [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► show it is not one of these like we're [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► going to do a pilot it they have a [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► serious commitment although i haven't [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► read how many episodes i think that's [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► kind of unclear is going to be 10 13 or [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► seven or 8i I think they don't know yet [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► that doesn't say it doesn't say it's a [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► picot production between CBS television [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► studios which after the Viacom CBS sort [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► of merger and uncoupling basically [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► paramount owns the parent and CBS share [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► the movie rights so there-there are the [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► Star Trek films or sure the rights to [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► Star Trek and Star Trek films and TV [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► rights theoretically are part of CBS [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► it's this weird kind of marriage and [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► shared franchise but CBS it seems to be [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► the agreement CBS gets the TV rights [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► parents the movie right so they're [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► moving ahead with the TV series they are [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► not going to show it on cps or the CW or [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► showtime which are things that are owned [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► or partially owned by CBS they're going [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► to show the premiere on CBS and then it [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► was it's going to move to CBS all access [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► which is their digital platform it is [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► their own little CBS version of netflix [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► or hulu so that's kind of an interesting [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► one thing that because i don't know [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► nerds like Star Trek is only Northwest [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► Arkansas on the internet and computers [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► where they can watch TV shows and it's [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► gonna be produced by alex kurtzman who [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► is one of the writers on the on the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► first to JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► it's also relevant because alex kurtzman [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I is has a deal with CBS so he knows [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► star trek he has a deal with CBS his [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► production company which is which is [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► sort of spun out of the work that he was [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► doing with JJ Abrams for his production [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► company is a is producing shows for CBS [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► so it's a known quantity with a deal [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► with CBS who has a history with Star [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► Trek so it kind of makes sense but he is [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► not actually slated to be the showrunner [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► Alex Kurtzman is basically interviewing [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► people to be the writer on the project [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► which means yes there's no showrunner [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► there seems to be no script and yet it's [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► been it's got a premiere date and has [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► been committed to two series not even [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► two pilots oh really interesting times [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► and I guess we should start there [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► although i eventually we're gonna get [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► around 2i think what our hopes and [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► dreams are for a for new star trek on [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► our screens but let's start there what [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► do you think about this idea that it's [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► not going to be we we've debated in the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► past on this on this very podcast about [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► what's the right place for star trek to [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► be and what doesn't make sense on see on [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► CBS or doesn't make sense on the CW or [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► doesn't make sense straight to netflix [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► and instead what we've got is CBS all [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► access so let's start there what do you [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► think about the idea that this is going [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► to be a digital streaming project i mean [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► i will go watch star trek anywhere they [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► complete a hundred dollar cinema here I [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► will go see it you know if they if i [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► have to pay a subscription fee at CBS to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► see this i will happily do that [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► dad said you know I know I'm not the [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► only person that's going gosh do I [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► really need another streaming service [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► that pay for every single month it's [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► hard enough to justify HBO GO [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► so you know I will I will bite and I [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► will do this but you know I i think it's [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► like CBS trying like a Hail Mary to kind [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► of be relevant in the streaming age I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► get the apple TV has come out recently I [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► think that channel vision is going to [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► become increasingly popular yeah i think [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► they're they're trying to find a way to [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► survive in this era is this something [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that's going to catch on and become a [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► hulu or netflix or HBO GO [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► no of course not but you know I'm still [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► going to my ten dollars ira ira story [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that said that a [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► that Warner is thinking of retrenching [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► on what it offers on streaming and sort [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► of like recalibrating to not have their [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► latest the latest seasons of their shows [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► go to Netflix which is I you know I [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► it'll be interesting to see what does [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► with the streaming landscape is in more [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► than a year anyway that's not saying [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► write it like way you know if you're [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► really banking on this to like make your [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► service cell then maybe you know [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► pronouncing it like more than a year out [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► is a little weird I mean I i don't know [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► i find that strange because if they [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► really if they really are like you know [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► worried about you know making this this [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► service solvent then you feel like they [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► wouldn't get all their hopes on [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► something that's not even in existence [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► yet laughs they've said that that CBS [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► all access this is the first of other of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► of scripted shows that they're going to [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► do when they're going to do more of them [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► so they they fancy themselves as having [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► you know originals just like just like [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► you would on netflix and and that [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► they're trying to make something of this [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► weather was already have original [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► program and it's the thing that makes no [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► sense their network you know they want [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► to do streaming originals on top of they [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► want everything dan I know it just it's [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► weird they do want to be able to make [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► more shows that appeal to more people [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► you know they don't just want to be the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► geriatric network but it's working for [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► them i mean they're getting huge ratings [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► they're getting huge advertising dollars [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► but you know it's gonna make sense to me [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► that they're doing this and make sense [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► to me that they did this now because you [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► know the CBS app just showed up i still [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► have a third generation Apple TV but it [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► just showed up last week on the screen [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► and I know what's it like [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and it has it has some bugs that has [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► some quirks it's not great but this way [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► they get in right on on the heels of you [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► know hey the apple TV is out now and [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► there's all these cool apps and here's [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this thing that you're going to want to [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► subscribe to and we'll work all the bugs [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► out in the next year you know I just I [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► just fine i find it a strange [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► proposition especially because i think [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► that Star Trek is you know even if it's [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► been off the air you know we have had [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► movies and it's as a franchise it is [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► such a powerhouse of a franchise and has [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► devoted called following that profile as [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► a devoted following period it is such a [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► popular franchise you could very easily [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► put this [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► on broadcast TV with no problems i mean [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► in the same way that they're trying out [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► Supergirl you know to sort of anchor [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► there's there you know younger appealing [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► demographic I don't see any reason why [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you couldn't have both star trek on [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► broadcast and in on screaming as they do [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► with it because everything else in there [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► CBS app is also something that is you [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► know broadcast on CBS so I it's [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► straighter now but you know I I I think [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► you're right i've been saying they [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► should be on cbs4 you know since 10 [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► years ago because it is universally I [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► mean my father who is in his mid [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► seventies is a star trek fanatic you [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► know he will watch it wherever it is so [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► yeah they that this is it should be on [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► the network and it just makes sense [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► there seems to me like it's a weird [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► endorsement of Star Trek almost away cuz [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► they're basically saying like we want we [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► want to do you want to build a streaming [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► business and we could do it with Star [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► Trek like with that this will help us [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► help us get there and and and it's it's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► valid in that way but I think you're [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► right how many subscriptions are we [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► going to have I wonder if they had that [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► moment like well we could sell this to [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► netflix and thence les Moonves is like [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► oh we could have a gr8 haha me medicine [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► that's exactly what they did with tpn [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► like I remember when Boyd came along in [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► the nineties and you know like they got [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► a tentpole we've got our own franchise [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► and that's right and Voyager was the [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► reason you tuned in to go over there [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► watch that and check it out and you know [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► every cycle has done that I mean in the [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► seventies you had all the news about [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► Star Trek phase two was going to be the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► cornerstone of the Paramount TV network [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► and then it fell through and became the [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► movie because Star Wars hit big and then [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► when next generation came out it was the [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► cornerstone of the Paramount syndication [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► Entertainment Network and you had one or [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► two other shows packaged with it and [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► then you have Voyager which is over [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that's going to be the beginning of our [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► own network again and so it is sort of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► like this tradition now it's like will [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► start this whole new things started it's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► also CBS you know keep in mind CBS is [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► also the only a of the only of the major [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► broadcast networks to not be a part of [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► hulu too so yeah they've already sort of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► you know carve their own little niche [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► out that's what's is all access is [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► essentially exact [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► do for CBS yeah but for the cost of all [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► the other program [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► well the one thing that CBS is really in [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► les Moonves is really good at is getting [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► people to pay for CBS programming right [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► CBS is gets a lot of guff about being [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► you know only old people watch it but [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► they're making tons and tons of money [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and the others they're getting lots of [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► money with retransmission fees they are [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► always the network that's fighting the [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► hardest to get the most money and this [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► is a genius idea to launch because you [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► know you're reading the tea leaves they [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► have their own streaming service i bet [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► not a lot of people pay for it although [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► in this press release they say they have [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► the most ever people who are paying for [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► certain is fine [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► compared to last night and now they're [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► going to get a whole bunch of people who [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► are like I didn't even know what's a CBS [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► all access was before this news but now [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► everybody's talking about it and are [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► going to sign up and maybe they'll be [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► even some people who because right now [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► all the star trek series is our on CBS [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► all access so maybe people will even [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► sign up for hand and watch everything [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► before the new one comes up i will say [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► i'm already subscribed to it i [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► subscribed right when Colbert started [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► because i knew i was gonna miss the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► first couple of nights of the show and I [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► wanted to see them for obvious reasons [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► and so it's like all right i'll try the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► free trial then I left it on because [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► well at the very least I'm I'm gonna [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► catch that and I might need to catch [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► Supergirl I don't really watch anything [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► else on there yet but they're going to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► program other stuff too are presumably [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► health program stuff around star track [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► because this is a big thing so they'll [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► have like the star trek confidential [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► like the doctor who modeled on the BBC [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► don't have a bunch of stuff around it [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► will announce a new deck and uh I think [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► that's all good and you know we we are [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► living in an era where am i where Amazon [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► and Netflix are winning any awards and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► RR well well known the only problem i [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► mentioned this to dan we were talking [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► about this earlier is CPS you know [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► amazon netflix that's what they do CBS [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► has like channels that they can put [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► shows on and it i think it's a really [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► interesting business move i'm [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► disappointed in the sense that you'd [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► like them to put it on CBS and have a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► chance for it to go big at the same time [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I think it is far more likely to be a [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► success that can continue year after [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► year on streaming [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► then the bar that you have to reach in [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► terms of viewers on CBS in terms of our [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► viewer and there is there's no there's [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► no rule that says that they can't put it [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► on CBS if all of a sudden everyone is [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► watching had thought it was a huge hit [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► they might be like you know we are going [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► to show on CBS a couple weeks delayed or [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► standing rules i mean the the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► interesting thing is you know so it's [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► like six bucks a month and you still I [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► mean every night on The Colbert rerun [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► you get three ads at every break often [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the same ones over and oh yeah les [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► Moonves said that they're considering an [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► hulu model where you can pay ten dollars [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► and Nazi at although it wouldn't shock [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► me it wouldn't shock me if Star Trek had [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► limited or no ads on it guys just cut [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► just cut to the chase [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► it's just make it Star Trek all access [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think it's really important [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► here that I think sometimes we talk [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► about Star Trek there's obviously a [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► tendency to look at it through our own [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► experiences and then I think it's really [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► important to kind of think about what [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► the the long-term play is here for Star [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► Trek's future [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► I don't know anyone in their twenties [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► that like enthusiastically I guess I [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► know you know that enthusiastically pays [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► for cable right so I i think that this [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► is a really interesting move because [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► guess they can do the traditional thing [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and put it out on the air they can put [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► you on CBS and yes it will [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► eunos elsom you will have some downloads [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► on apple TV you know you'll be able to [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► get it but I don't think it's a [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► long-term move i think that you know for [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► star trek to survive we have an entire [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► generation of people that think Star [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► Trek are these last two kind of one is [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► good one is very mediocre movies and [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► they don't really understand what it's [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► like to learn about a cast to come to [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► love them over its season after season [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► so I think if this is really going to [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► work you have to think about this in the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► generational sense and like what is it [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► going to take to get you those teenagers [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► those 20 something's out there to really [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► watch the show and love it and for that [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► reason I think this is a really smart [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► move for them [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► absolutely [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► I mean all everything my kids watch [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► these days is pretty much on one of the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► streaming services and something pretty [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► mentioned you know when we've done that [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► our star trek debate club episodes in [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► the past we it always comes up that [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► whatever Star Trek was like your star [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► trek and has a lot to do with when you [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► found star trek and when it you and [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► although the movies have been fairly [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► successful so there are younger people [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► who have a perception of Star Trek that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it that has that having the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► movies out there as opposed to like [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► nothing has been positive but I think [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► you're absolutely right that you want to [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► have a you need to have that kind of TV [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► relationship with Star Trek for you [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► really to make a new generation of fans [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► and and when you think about when the [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► rumors were about them being on Netflix [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► because it turns out star trek really [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► streams well I'm like nets on netflix it [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► does really well and I think it probably [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► is going to do well on CBS's service to [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the old episodes that this is an [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► interesting idea of like you know [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► building up excitement about a star trek [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► series run in the in a similar way to [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► daredevil or jessica jones coming on [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► netflix i think that I'm pretty cool and [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► and that's been my problem with the [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► movies right like Star Wars is a saga [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► and it makes sense to be giant movies [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and they kind of retrofit series around [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► whereas star trek is is that hard it's [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► about explorations but all different [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► kinds of stories and that's been my [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► problem with the JJ movies in general is [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► is that they're trying to make these big [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► giant epic things which it can be but [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that's not the charm of starts right now [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► yeah I I agree completely before i wanna [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► i want to talk about what this might be [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► and what we like it to be what we like [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► to see but I wanna before i do that [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► anything more people want to say about [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► sort of like the mechanics of this of it [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► going on streaming and and and things [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► like that community can we say something [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► or just second about the writer because [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you know I think it's very telling that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► the the one person they're kind of [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► bringing on that has some bona fides [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► with you and the rider frame was more [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► time to the JJ Abrams movies and I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► thought 2009 Star Trek was successful [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► I've seen into darkness about six or [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► seven times at this point that movie is [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► not good it is of the first world ride [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► you guys get it [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► like a lion make no sense but I i do i [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► actually liked it a lot as it's a good [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► thing you disagree there and you know [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► the the design work is fun but it really [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► really worries me because what I think [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► those movies too is they i guess it's [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► like someone is wearing the suit of Star [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► Trek do you know what I mean where [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► they've taken it may be a really fun [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► action movie and you have the same [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► characters but the core of it is well [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► that's the challenge of it being a film [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► franchise I mean it goes back to to what [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► what David said which is Star Trek as a [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► summer tentpole action movie franchise [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► isn't really how much starter can be i [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► think it's to the credit of the 2007 [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► movie that it is easy 2007-2009 the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► 2008-2009 movie that that it's even [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► feels like Star Trek in anyway because I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► it is in summer action movie tentpole I [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it is it is very hard to to do with Star [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► Trek does well when you have to serve [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► that because that's what that's what TV [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► is good at i will say Kurtzman you know [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► is a Star Trek fan he gets star trek and [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► I think the reason that he's been [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► brought in here is because again he's [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► got a deal with CBS and he's got some [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► Star Trek word star trek track record [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► that's really easy to say say that [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► racket our track record track record [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► trick but I you know it's not paramount [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► its CBS they're different [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► there's no guarantee that it's going to [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► be related to the JJ from Steve like [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► timeline in any way and I think I think [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► it's encouraging and also telling that [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► Kurtzman is not being mooted as the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► showrunner here he's a producer with his [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► production company they're like [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► basically who do we know who knows [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► anything about Star Trek Oh Kurtzman he [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► does hawaii five-o and the limitless [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► let's have him do it kind of feels like [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► he's in the JJ Abrams more than a lot of [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► Jackie show he's looking for a [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► showrunner he's looking for a writer [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► with a vision for this thing and he's [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► not he's not it and so I'm actually kind [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► of encouraged by that because he knows [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► enough about star trek to get it but [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► it's not going to be his show and and [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► the thing I like about that and I've [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► said this before about the JJ movies is [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► that you know like you said about [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► wearing the suit of Star Trek and we [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► haven't changed a retro fit that into [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► Jim Kirk being a chosen one like Luke [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Skywalker and his famously a star wars [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► fan and not a Star Trek fan and you know [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► I always liked the idea that Jim Kirk [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► was the captain we focused on but there [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► were like 11 other starships out there [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► also having adventures and they were [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► also pretty good to get to be the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► captains of these starships so it's like [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► he's just a guy doing his job right and [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that's I mean that's sort of carries [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► over to the others he just created space [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► right and you know so this it's it's [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► kind of bringing it back to that because [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► i'm sure you know they're not going to [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► use the same characters obviously we [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► don't want to confuse people because [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► people are dumb i guess i don't know i [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► could I could watch two different Kirk's [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and I'd be okay with that capped about [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► him jerk head but you know I i like the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► thought that we are going to get a [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► different captain in a different ship [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► that's part of this universe whether [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it's the old universe with the new one [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► it makes sense to be in the new I hope [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► it's not a captain and a ship because I [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► feel like we've had several other series [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that do that exact thing so let's try [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► well yeah [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► uncomfortable this week is sponsored by [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► tales untold you know my kids are 11 and [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► 14 and when they were growing up we did [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► a lot of tivoing of a lot of nickelodeon [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► shows and characters that were really [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► annoying overtime kids videos were not [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► much better we would navigate to the [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► good ones but there were so many bad [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► ones so bad music repetitive stuff adds [TS]

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00:21:31 ◼   ► about kids listening to it every tale is [TS]

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00:21:35 ◼   ► seasons like TV shows so it makes sense [TS]

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00:21:39 ◼   ► and there are new seasons and new tales [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► added regularly i really like a red bird [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► I've mentioned him before he is a [TS]

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00:21:47 ◼   ► monster and he's not very good at being [TS]

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00:21:51 ◼   ► fun there is inspected nine which is [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► about a little fellow named Miles fenby [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► who has a regular house in a regular [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► family and then he meets inspector nine [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and you can imagine where it goes from [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► there that they've got trunk show about [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► the treasure chest trouble with wishes [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► which involves a forest gnome granting [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► wishes those complicated wishes the kind [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that you have to have a really good wish [TS]

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00:22:43 ◼   ► well let's so let's talk about where [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► where they could go cuz i'm fascinated [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► by this like what elements we want to [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► see what we think might be places that [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► they may go and and and then we'll we'll [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► come back in you know 13 14 months and [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► we'll compare notes [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► Scott Scott you you say the old captain [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► and ship paradigm while a classic is [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► also kind of played out what would you [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► like to see instead of that that's a [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► good question i know easy is it it's not [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► so easy that's that's the problem I i [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► make no like they're not going to call [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► me up and say hey Scott do you want to [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► be the showrunner for the new structure [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► and series [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► did I would say you are in deep trouble [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► and I weep for the future of Star Trek [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► but if you like to do a podcast about it [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► I will uh the eye of always liked the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► the temporal what is it [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► section section everyone i feel like [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► that could be an interesting show and so [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► they could you know time travel over the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► place they can do all kinds of wacky [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► stuff it's the seedy underbelly of the [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► Federation and I feel like that would be [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► an interesting and you know [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► quote-unquote edgy thing to do [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► well I'll be dr. Trek well not [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► necessarily mean it's not you know III [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► groups got there's an interesting you [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► know an interesting time and didn't [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► think the the thing about Star Trek like [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► David said is it does sort of support [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► all these different ideas like if you [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► wanted to do sort of a bit more of a [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► like almost thriller aspect you can't do [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that if you will need you want to do [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► just you know pure of exploration you [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► can do that and you can meld all these [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► different topic I mean that's the if you [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► want to say you know the thing that was [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► sort of to me always the highlight of [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► next generation is that it could support [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► all those different tones and ideas from [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► week to week you can just go from being [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► a comedy to being a serious thought [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► provoking drama and you can cover all [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the bases [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you know on the on the flip side you [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► know you have something like you know [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► ds9 which has such a long-running plots [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► earth red and dark to it that it really [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► just became this very integrated very [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► complex drama with all these different [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► moving parts which I love that's my [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► favorite of the series but he you know [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► Star Trek as a as a vehicle what you do [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► all those different things because it's [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► so versatile and that's that's kind of [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► one of the joys of it pretty what would [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► you like to see in terms of the premise [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► well i would say it's move away from [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► your Kirk and you know card I feel like [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► I feel like Daisy universe has been [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► adequate [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► we explored at this point what am I I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► forget who who broke this pilot they [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► were trying to get through a few years [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► ago I heard this and loved it it was on [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► the nnd of the Star Trek TV show that [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► took place at the at like kind of after [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Voyager where the Federation grown fat [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► and happy and kind of decadent and [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► rather than use their technology to [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► explore they used it to create [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► themselves more and more comfortable [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► lifestyles and you know eventually am [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► you know a descendant of Kirk came on [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► what became to be the enterprise and you [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► discovered a new threat to the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► Federation and not them really want that [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► particular script but what I appreciated [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► about that story is science fiction at [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► its best kind of mirrors the conflict [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► that we see in our society is one such a [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► big fan of Heinlein that he he he was so [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► insightful of taking like this some [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► error of paranoia and kind of really [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► mirroring that conflict so I want to see [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► a star track that is relevant for twenty [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► fifteen or twenty seventeen when it [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► comes out rather than trying to like [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► captured the these echoes of the parents [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► because I mean look I'm love those i [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► love every one of those crews and ships [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► but i want to see new adventures and I [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► think something is really really key for [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► that is you know my biggest criticism of [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► the Abrams Star tracks is it's primarily [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► adventure for boys and i don't think [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that they include women so what I want [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► to see is an adventure the kind of [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► reflects the wider track audience and I [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► want to see it like reflect the greater [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► Society tension staying and i'll just [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► say one more thing on Jason's something [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► I think about all the time let's think [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► about Star Trek is your observation [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► you're saying that like Voyager seem [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► like repetition to you because you've [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► seen all these shows leading up to it [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► and I've really been thinking a lot [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► about how do you bring Star Trek out in [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► 2015 20 17 and not fall into that trap [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► of like okay let's put out another [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► enterprise episode other Voyager episode [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► like the same science fiction [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► flatline sit star trek kind of recycles [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► at a certain point and I don't know if [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► the way you do it is to kind of pull up [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► a born and make it a little bit more [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► realistic [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► I don't know if you get a little bit [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► more esoteric and and like the first [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► track movie was but i think they've got [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► put some kind of spin onyx I think just [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► recycling that same formula is not going [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► to be successful [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► I I think premix earlier point about the [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► reflecting the the time that you're in [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► and I you know well she was talking [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► about that i was just thinking that the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► best example of that in recent years [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► that i can think of was the occupation [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► story arc in battlestar galactica in the [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► reboot right was it a fantastic job of [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► taking something that was a very thorny [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► issue that was coming up in you know in [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► our own society at that time and [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► explored it through a different lens and [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► so it would [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► there is so much interesting stuff to [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► pick apart right now in where are our [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► society is and where it's going that you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► know science fiction is always such a [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► good mirror to be able to sort of you [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► know look at that but kind of distorted [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► in a way that makes you think it makes [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► you sort of extrapolate from where it is [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► so I agree that finding someone who is [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► willing to take that because it can be [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► risky to you know you can you risk [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► alienating people with that kind of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► thing but i think it's it's valuable and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► it should be done David uh what do you [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► think about where they should go and [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► we've talked about all sorts of things [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► in the past but I'm just too right now [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► thinking of well of the one shot here [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► what kind of thing would you like to see [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► as a as a premise now it's been [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► basically it's it's the one idea that [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► I've have come back to over and over [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► again of and-and-and which would you [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► know we've talked about it working at a [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► netflix it would work gangbusters here [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► especially since they are selling it as [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► come see this and all the other series [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► are here to is to do something where it [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► story arcs and then you can have a [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► little bit of all of those kind of [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► concepts you can have the exploration [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► ship you can have the time-travel you [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► can have the entry get Starfleet Command [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► or you know it can be any kind of thing [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► it can be short arcs long arcs they can [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► all interweave into one another and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► because they're they seem to be coming [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► around to the idea that we can make this [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► niche programming for the people that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► really wanted [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► and maybe we don't have faith in it [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► going on the network but we'll put it on [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► this thing and see how many people pay [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► for it they can they don't have to worry [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► about it being the exact same CSI [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► episode every day I'm week right [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► it's not the same criminal minds episode [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► every day I'm week they can do something [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► a little more interesting like that so [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► yeah i would i would do the not quite [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► anthology idea and that can that you [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► know you could you could go through any [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► of the ira's that we've already had or [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► you could do like the idw comic book [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► series is doing which is doing a [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► surprisingly good job of this they're [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► taking the JJ universe and retelling [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► stories but there are variations and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► doing kind of interesting variations on [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► things we already know so that fans you [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► know longtime fans are going to get it [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► they're gonna get the triple story but [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► it's a totally different travel story [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► it's going to the tribbles homeworld and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► oh that's interesting but the new people [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► are going to be feel left out because [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► it's all references right you know [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► there's sort of that sense of BS they're [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► reliving these kind of things but it's [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► it's a little more interesting that way [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and then if you go back to the original [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► ones you go home that's what that meant [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► and that's what this meant because i [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► think at heart [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► at its core it's always going to be a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► captain and a ship because it is called [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► Star Trek it's about movement and we [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► can't assume that my kids are going to [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► have that history of seeing all seven [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► hundred and however many hours of track [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► so you know they're going to come into [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► it fresh they're gonna be like oh it's a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► guy on a ship or a woman on a ship and [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► their-their multicultural crew and [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► they're going off and discovering things [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and there's still room to do all that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► other stuff around [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► this week's episode of the incomparable [TS]

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00:31:49 ◼   ► I somebody asked me the other day if I [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► was going to do [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► movember this year I don't know about [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► this a friend of mine is doing this [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► that's the month where guys grow [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► mustaches it's all about raising money [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► and awareness about men's health issues [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► I i love Harry shaving products so much [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► that i will never grow anything [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► resembling a must [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► I am a clean-shaven kind of guy but [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► Harry's is the official razor partner of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► movember i find it really funny because [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► of course that's a month where you're [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► not shaving at least some of your face [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► but you should just definitely check it [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► out if you're interested in taking the [TS]

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00:32:27 ◼   ► everyday i use Harry's razors they gave [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► me a close shave the digestion fact got [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► an or a new order of stuff from Harry's [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► some new shaving lotion and some new [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► blades a good deal [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► the the lotion is delightful smells a [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► little faint smell [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► I like it a lot and the blades are [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► really high quality and my shape is good [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► and I you know again I just really like [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► hairy stuff and I'm not just saying that [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I really mean it i shave with Harry's [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► everyday shave sometimes skip a day but [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► I never skip Harry's when I'm shaping [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► Harry's was started by a couple of guys [TS]

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00:33:59 ◼   ► you get your choice of the shaving cream [TS]

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00:34:31 ◼   ► my gut feeling is that this needs to be [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► something that is is new like brie said [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► it needs to not feel like a retread of [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► something I feel like the danger of [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► get-go jumping too far back into [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► something something that's an anthology [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► is that you really do want to establish [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► established characters and you want to [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► you want you want to you know make [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► people attach those characters just like [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the people whose another well this new [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► star trek that's coming out is no good [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► because justin kirk and spock and then [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► there's a whole new generation so to [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► speak who loved up the card and and data [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► and you know maybe somebody like Troy [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► anyway uh huh [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► he was so that's what I feel like needs [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► to happen is is it whether it whether [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► it's a crew in a ship fundamentally or [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► whether it's some characters who are in [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► this world that includes the spaceships [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► and the exploration all that I don't [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► know but I feel like it needs to be uh [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► it needs to be modern like preset it [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► needs to be these episodes need to all [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► tie together they need it needs to be [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► visible right it niazi it needs to play [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► all of the tricks of 2015 and so was [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► someone i say this i mean this again I'm [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► not trying to cross various franchises [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► here but what the BBC did in 2004 when [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► they hired Russell T Davis to bring back [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► doctor who was they found somebody who [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► is an established talented TV writer who [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► also happen to be a fan of Doctor Who [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► and said what would you do and what [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► Russell T Davis did was say I want to [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► make it like Buffy not i want to make it [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► like doctor who was in 1976 but I want [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► to make it like Buffy because that's a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► modern ish show that has a sensibility [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that is much more what we should be [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► doing now and I feel like that's what [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► Star Trek needs is they need somebody to [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► say i want this to be kinda like I don't [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► daredevil or or window side something [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► something like that or the flash or [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► whatever whatever that touchdown is it [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► needs to be like this kind of show not [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► not not necessarily in terms of the [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► content because it needs to be star trek [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► but in terms of the tone and how you [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► make a show and how you tell stories on [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► a streaming service in 2017 and [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► yeah it probably is gonna have to [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► involve a spaceship because its star [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► trek I think you're right but i would [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► love to see something about it that [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► makes it not the you know continuing [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► repeatable runoff missions of the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► Starship XYZ and makes it something that [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► feels modern and I don't know how you do [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► that that this is wine [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► none of us are going to be hired to do [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► this but I i keep your guard up [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► nope sorry David the resumes in the mail [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► CBS but but i wanna i wanna i want to [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► admit that it's probably going to be a [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► show like without with a with a [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► spaceship and a captain and the crew but [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► I I want to come back to what brie said [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► because I think that's true to it needs [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► to feel different and modern in a way [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► that we don't all go oh great here we go [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► again there's going to be another [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► episode we're stuck in time in another [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► episode of the mysterious alien that [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► turns out to be in their dreams and you [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► know I and that's why I would also say [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► it needs to be somebody who's never done [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► star trek before in any form even [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► something like Ron more i just want to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► see it i don't see anybody I want [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► somebody who grew up loving next [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► generation or deep space nine or Voyager [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and I want them but is now stammers no [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► now I busted for what is now established [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► doing their own stuff was like you know [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► what I will take a crack at it [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► the only exception to that I would watch [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► many co do whatever he wants i don't [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► know i mean again I don't think I don't [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► think referencing the past as fun as [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► that was for old fans is going to be a [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► way to do it i think like whatever run [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► but Russell Davis did was doctor who was [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► there was a little bit there for the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► fans'll yeah I get that but nobody [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► needed to know any of it and I think [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that that is what Star Trek needs is is [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► no history required to do it right and I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► mean that's the beauty of Peter David's [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► new frontier books is that it's a nice [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► blend of the continuing intrigue of deep [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► space nine while still having a ship [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► while still having all these other you [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► know it is a larger arc without being [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► overwhelming so free I want to talk to [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► you about how you put a how you put a [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► crew together because it's funny when we [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► talk about Star Trek even the modern [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► star trek by 2015 20 17 standards is not [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► as diverse [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► as we would like to see would you agree [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► with that yes i would create that I [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► think that's one of the one of the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► interesting challenges here is that even [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► stuff that seemed groundbreaking at the [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► time and that's really even back to the [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► original series right is not is not true [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► today so i think one of the real [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► challenges is to die i think i think i [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► would even say they will fail if we look [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► at the crew and it turns out to be that [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► its first off mostly mostly human and [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► mostly men and then you will have the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► occasional well it's mostly men but [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► they're there are a couple of women and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► some of the men aren't white so we're [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► good right I feel like that this the art [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► even just put in a 10 years since [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► enterprise we are not you know that kind [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► of that kind of stuff is not going to [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► fly this this is needs to be a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► reflection of 2017 not a reflection of [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► 2,000 or 1965 why I feel like it's worth [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► saying you know I'm am somebody that [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► talks about diversity a lot in is so i [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► feel like i have enough credibility to [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► say is the mission is not to fill a [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► bunch of checkboxes right like the [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► missions to make really really really [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► excellent characters that have conflict [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and play off of each other and build [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► each other up and you know have [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► chemistry in that way and sometimes [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► filled with this diversity conversation [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► it does feel like that it's selfishness [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► is the mission objective but I think you [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► can have both [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► I was no swinging the other day about [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► how you can look at someone actually [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► went through watched every episode of [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► Star Trek cover and looked at how they [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► did it the battle test and you know it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► was very bad with TLS better with the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► mtng ds9 it reached its zenith with [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► Voyager where astonishingly high [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► percentage of the episodes past that [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► then plummeted with enterprise and then [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► you know if you look at JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► i would guess that there will continue [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► this trend downwards so you know it's [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► it's something we need to see and you [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► know that doesn't just mean women it [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► means you know I think we're having more [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► conversations about gay people than we [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► did one enterprise was on the air think [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► transgender people is something we [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► talked about a lot more so i just i want [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► to see I want to see more of that you [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► Felicia Day had a fantastic blog when [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► you know into darkness came out talking [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► about where the female captain's you [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► know like where are they they're they're [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► a bunch of Star Trek captain Singh a [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► table there are no women you know and I [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► I think you're right this is just not [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► going to feel authentic and frankly you [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► know women are very important part of [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► the geek audience today and we need to [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► be you know our money is just as good as [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► anyone elses so you include some the [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► star trek mission which is people [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► working together love all different [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► backgrounds like that's the whole point [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► but I mentioned this in a previous [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► episode but again to bring back to the [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► doctor who theme because i think that's [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► a model for taking an old franchise and [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► doing something new with it that that is [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► still true to the original is the old [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► doctor who audience when you went to [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► these conventions was a whole bunch of [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► of men who came to it in the seventies [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► or the sixties or maybe the eighties at [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► you know getting older every year and [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► then if you go to a doctor who [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► convention now it is young and it is it [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► is female predominantly and that is [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► because they gave it a shot in the arm [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► and they made it something that was more [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► expensive and spoke to a broader [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► audience and Star Trek has to do that or [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► it will just continue to wither and die [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► a it needs to not eat it eat its own [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► tail and that that that goes to a lot of [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► breaking a lot of maybe unwritten rules [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► about what Star Trek supposed to be I [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► mean it's like someone just asked the [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► newly-elected Prime Minister canada why [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► is your you're putting together your [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► cabinet why is your candidate gender [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► balanced and he said because it's 2015 [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the you know love and i mean just took [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► that as you're talking just now I was [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► thinking the easiest way to fix the [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► problems with the original series is to [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► you know let the other characters talk [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► once in awhile it would be nice to know [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► more about her and Sulu and you know and [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► there's no reason why they couldn't have [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► done that modern TV is all about I mean [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► that's why mention characters earlier [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► modern TV this the things you cannot get [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► away with even even the characters that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► we saw in the new we think of a new star [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► trek series like deep space nine and [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► next-generation those were little tiny [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► character bits scattered in standalone [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► episodes over the course of many years [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► but if you look at modern television [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► that's not gonna do it right like unique [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► characters who are where we care as much [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► about the characters as we do about the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► plot because that's how TV works now is [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► is you spend time with these characters [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► and you really get attached to them and [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► you tell an ongoing story and it's the [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► story of the characters as much as it is [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► the story about what happens this week [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► and you can avoid that if you do that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► again i think you risk just failing as a [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► show and I think Game of Thrones Game of [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► Thrones is proven that people like epic [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► kind of shows with hundreds of [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► characters and people can actually keep [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► track of them so we don't need to limit [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► ourselves to five characters who are on [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the same ship and they always go off and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► do these adventures they can split your [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► tackle and make it you know 14 ships [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► with different crew maybe that maybe too [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► many but but you make it you can have a [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► big playing space exactly just like [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► playing space we're talking about all of [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► the galaxy star trek is a huge body of a [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► stuff that they can draw from you can [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► have you know you can basically do game [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► of thrones only with Star Trek probably [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► less nudity and blood but maybe it is [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► streaming it's true not broadcast [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► streaming yeah they're selling it [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► internationally this is that's the other [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► part that i didn't mention when we talk [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► about the business angle of this is that [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► is that when he was interviewed about [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the day after the announcement les [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► Moonves said look at my international [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► sales guy is beside himself because what [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► you know we're already making the deals [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► to sell the show into international [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► markets and it's going to pay it [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► basically it's going to pay for itself [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► before we even make it so for them to [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► put it on all access this is a loss [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► leader for them they're going to make [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► all their money internationally and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► they'll get people to subscribe to this [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► as a result here because you can only [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► subscribe to it here right [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► you won't even be able to do that in [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► canada's first now [TS]

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00:47:16 ◼   ► wonder how many episodes they're gonna [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► make me that I think I have one of the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► things that worries me about this I as i [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► love i love us being able to blue sky [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► this thing right because nothing's been [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► nothing exists like an input box it's [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► just it's Star Trek and it's coming in [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► 2017 what's it about who's doing it [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► nobody knows who's in it nobody knows [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► right so we can do that i like that [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► what worries me about it is that it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► isn't it is an empty box that that [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► nobody knows and and who was not going [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► to be and how are they gonna do it and [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► and it's a little scary that they don't [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► have a vision that they're looking for [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► somebody who has a vision because that's [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► not normally how you do something like [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► this i mean they've got star trek [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► backing it and that's good but it's not [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► you know it it is it is a scary a little [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► bit that the the I think the reason this [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► came out was because word was getting [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► around but they were interviewing [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► writers and asking them what their [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► vision was for Star Trek I don't know [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► they didn't ask me but that's okay [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► because i do also wonder about the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► mechanics and I how many episodes like [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you said i also wonder if they're going [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► to do what you know yahoo screen did and [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► premier community episode every week [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► are they going to do you know once a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► week there's a new star trek episode or [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► they're just going to put everything the [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► netflix model it sees everything i'd [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► imagine anyone week Winchell yeah i [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► would i would think that they would just [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► stretch it out once a week they want to [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► revolutionize things but not that not [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► that much no it's a slow evolution [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► because they want you to come back at an [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► appointed time it may not be that [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► specific hour but it'll be that day like [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► all the new comics come out on wednesday [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► i feel like it is it's that sort of [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► thing where they've got something new I [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► but yeah I i think i think this is all a [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► question and if it does well there's [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► also the question of like does this [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► become what what are the creative [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► possibilities because we don't we don't [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► even know like could you do different [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► like what Marvel's doing with their TV [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► series on netflix is their kind of [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► interconnected but they're not the same [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► show every time so that's a possibility [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► or with a or would they rather just say [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► well you know if these 13 do well then [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► we'll order another 13 and then we'll [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► just order another 13 I don't know right [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► it might be a blend of both it might I [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► mean this is the place that gave us NCIS [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► New Orleans and NCIS LA and CSI miami [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► CSI new york mets and they all may know [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► and they all make money i do so and and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► the thing that is depressing about that [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► is that they are essentially [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► interchangeable you know i would i would [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► hope that whatever they do with Star [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► Trek if they do decide to do more than [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► just one concept or one series is that [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► they would let them each have their own [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► personality like the Marvel stuff I i [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► would hope that they're smart enough to [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► do that based on the reaction to all the [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► Marvel and DC stuff but we'll see [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► and let's not a I love star trek i have [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► a structure podcast I just saying this [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► because I'm going to say something mean [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► about starting my but let's not pretend [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that every episode of Star Trek is this [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► golden perfect masterpiece that exists [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► now there are no ho there are plenty of [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► episodes of Star Trek that could be any [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► series of Star Trek it doesn't matter [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► there wasn't i was watching an episode [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► of voyager where they beam down to a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► planet and I had no idea if I was [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► watching the next generation or Voyager [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► it had a fountain and there was an [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► atrium it was exactly the same so well [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► if you're a real fan of Star Trek you be [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► able to tell from the lighting and just [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► know it instantly [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► well I think he'll I could tell it was [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► avoided for episode because of the four [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► characters but ok Harry Kim was it but [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it seems really really not that starting [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► any Star Trek episode could be any [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► episode of NCIS too so they're really [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► just they're firing on all cylinders [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► there scott bakula yeah there you go [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► they should cross over right there [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► well it's it is true that CBS has has [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► that you know let's move is a smart [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► businessman and they see value in Star [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► Trek which I'm encouraged by and you [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► know I i think that i think that that's [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► all good i would love to see them have [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► the problem of saying how do we do more [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► of this might my reluctance about the [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► all-access thing is that it's sad [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► sounds to me like something that is [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► marketed at existing rabbits Star Trek [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► fans and not as establishing a new [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► audience and the fact that they're going [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► to get a wise yeah the fact that they're [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► going to broadcast the the perp premiere [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► on CBS at least is a hey first ones for [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► everybody at least that is like trying [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► to build an audience for it but when I [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► think about like those shows on the CW [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that have young fans right young young [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► fans [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah lots of young people are [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► watching on streaming now but i'm not [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► sure lots of young people would have [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► found arrow or the flash or I zombie or [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► something like that or doctor who [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► if the only way to get it was on a on a [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► pay streaming service especially one [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► that their parents didn't already have [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► because it's netflix right or because [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► they've got amazon prime so that [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► concerns me but the ratings for flash [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► and arrow are not very good right people [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► are not watching on the CW CW standards [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► they are the and in fact the flash is [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► actually good enough to be on like it [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► makes room pretty close to like main [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► broadcast network ratings but it is it's [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► a scale thing it's totally a scale [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► things BTW numbers never going to have [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► CBS or NBC I but that's it that's [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► irrelevant what I'm what I'm saying is [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► that it's in a place where it has it has [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► built a fandom and that is something [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that I'm not sure [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► CBS all access can provide but that's [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► why they're announcing it over a year in [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► advance [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► I mean my kids did not want to watch [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► Supergirl when it was on the TV in the [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► room monday night at eight and then the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► next day when I was like well how was it [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► was pretty good and then they go and [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► find it on the ipad and and the apple TV [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► and I think that's where it's gonna kick [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► in is where you have parents who have [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► already gotten it and already [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► subscribing because they you know how [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► long have we been saying i want CBS [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► shows on hulu well alright this is not [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► on hulu but les Moonves but you know i'm [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► like i said i'm getting it for Colbert [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► everything else is gravy and I don't [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► really watch anything else but Supergirl [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► right now I think Jason's point is is [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► something too [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► think about though because i don't want [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► and what I don't want it to be is some [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► kind of perfectly craft nostalgia bomb [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► that appeals to existing Star Trek fans [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► because we're already fans so that [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► doesn't really help i want more people [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► to like Star Trek so that they will [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► continue to make more star trek things [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► oh i know i'm not i'm not saying that's [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► who's going to subscribe i'm saying it's [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► the people who are already subscribing [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► because CBS great it's not necessarily [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► not sure how many of those people are I [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► don't think that's a big audience [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► no I don't know so I'm gonna do I'm [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► gonna do a little rapid-fire around here [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► because it's me [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► haha no shall we draft something just [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► interested it's like no I wish we could [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► dress them right now again but I don't [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► know your flight I don't know what that [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► would be kind of take it identical [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► everybody's take on some possible things [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► that they could do and whether you would [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► like them to do it or not so my first [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► question is JJ Abrams universe original [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► Star Trek universe or entirely new [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► variation on Star Trek universe brie [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► what do you think i'm good with whatever [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► i think im gonna be fun with that JJ [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► Abrams universe because it's kind of [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► giving them permission to reinvent [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► everything that's gone but uh before [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► battlefield I think either way could be [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► done well Scott what do you think I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► think JJ Abrams universe because it just [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► like reset it gives them the freedom to [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► just reinvent stuff so you know there [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► are no dilithium crystals probably what [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► that's crazy [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► everything is powered by cookies or [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► something I don't know once again I'm [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► not going to call my dealer and a [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► question do it captain the cookies of [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► crumbled something like that David what [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► do you think i'm also going to go with [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► JJ universe because again it lets them [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► reinvent everything you know the idw [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► comics are doing that really well and [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► and this becomes their agents of shield [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► this promotes the way I hope not listen [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► for well no except you know good now i [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► don't know if the connection is about [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► strong though between the that that's [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► the thing is that it's it's just the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► name of Ages just the name agents of [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► shield is like that now too because the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► Marvel TV and movies are not done by the [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► same group of people [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► and what do you think you know I was [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► leaning towards the the original [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► universe but I think you guys have also [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► won me over to either the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► universe or just an entirely new [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► universe because of that ability to go [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► anywhere do anything not be burdened by [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► the years and years and years of baggage [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► left in there so i think the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► universe could be interesting but I also [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► think would be interested like if they [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► like sort of did like a next-generation [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► from TOS thing where it's like we're [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► gonna set out like a couple hundred [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► years laughter the JJ Abrams universe [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► and still have lots of room in there for [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► people to do other things but i also [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► think an entirely new universe gives you [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► a ton of opportunities there's enough [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► established things that you can start a [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► point to and be like a pit star trek you [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► know don't forget it star trek but we [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► can also still different distance [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► herself and do all these new things but [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► it would be it would be quite a few a [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► middle finger extended to Paramount if [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► CBS launch the star trek series with [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► Kirk and Spock and McCoy with different [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► actors like that we got our own we got [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► our own character i think that sinks [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► everybody but i will say i bet part of [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► the whole rights tangle was resolved by [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► saying we'll do it in the same universe [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► with different characters and we won't [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► touch your movies and you won't touch [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► her show [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► yeah that could be I do i do I even [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► doing the same Universal what well I i [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► think that that's why that was one of [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► the options although I you know I i [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► agree i think for the comic-book reasons [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► of tangled continuity and you end up [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► having to fulfill you know this litany [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► of all these past shows that you don't [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► go and say we're gonna set it post and [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► repair start post Voyager in the old [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► original TV universe even though that [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► might be fun because you know you you [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► can't you're not allowed to go back [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► until the same stories over again like [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► you know star trek into darkness but ah [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► ay you know at the same time I think [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► it's just shackled by the continuity of [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► it so you better be better off picking [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► up the sound effects and the art [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► direction and things like that that [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► without that feature film spent lots of [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► money doing and you can just sort of [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► lift it as you say you know what you do [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► here is you take a page from what the CW [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► has done with arrow and flash those are [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► both things connected to a gigantic [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► model you know like all this continuity [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► from years and years but they're like [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► they're not afraid to go and do totally [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► different things and [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► change characters and change things when [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► they want to but they also don't mind [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► putting in you know a tip of the hat to [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► continuity that came before and even [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► just you know not beholden to the [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► continuity but referencing it when they [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► feel like it and I think that's been [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► wildly successful in that case so you [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► know I I don't mind if they start off on [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► a new star trek universe as if they're [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► gonna sort of be able to have that [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► essentially have their cake and eat it [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► too in that way but and thanks to Spock [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► prime and everything they set up in the [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► first of the new movies you can have [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that as another alternate universe to [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► visit once in awhile just like you had [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► the mirror universe so my next question [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► for everybody is going to be would you [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► rather see a crew on a spaceship a crew [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► on a space station or something [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► completely different [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► Scott I would like to see a space [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► station on a spaceship which is [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► agreement with no crew and even better [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► roads are not really what do you think [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► well I think I think the some things we [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► really key Jason is what you're talking [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► about earlier that kind of been jables [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► state with it and i think there's going [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► to be like a kind of complex tapestry is [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► going on here so i think i want to see a [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► spaceship because I think that's kind of [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► the thrill the new star trek right you [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► get to like see the new enterprise where [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► the new ship is but I think like it's [TS]