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0:00:02From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 427.
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0:00:17My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow.
0:00:20Hi, Jason Snow.
0:00:21- Hi, Myke Hurley.
0:00:22How does it feel to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars
0:00:26for St. Jude?
0:00:27- Very good.
0:00:27We actually just before we started the show today,
0:00:31we closed our fundraising campaign.
0:00:33A lot has happened in the last week
0:00:35and we passed $706,000,
0:00:38meaning that this year was the most money
0:00:40we have ever raised in a year
0:00:41for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
0:00:43Thank you so much to everybody that participated
0:00:46in the campaign this year.
0:00:48But I have a #snowtalk question for you.
0:00:50- All right. - Comes from Tony.
0:00:51And Tony wants to know, Jason,
0:00:52have you watched "Welcome to Wrexham"?
0:00:55- I assume that I already talked about this somewhere,
0:00:57but maybe not here.
0:00:58Yes, yes, it's great.
0:01:00- We haven't spoken about it because I'm loving it.
0:01:03And I would have remembered having this conversation
0:01:05with you.
0:01:05- That's true, we definitely haven't spoken about it.
0:01:07Yeah, it's good.
0:01:08In fact, I had a friend who is interested in soccer
0:01:10who said, "I isn't really just like those guys."
0:01:13I'm like, "It's not just those guys, right?"
0:01:14It's also about the town.
0:01:18All those fans who are so concerned.
0:01:20They're like, "Oh, these famous people
0:01:21bought our soccer team.
0:01:23Are they gonna ruin it?"
0:01:25(laughs)
0:01:27and how much it means to them, and that makes it, yeah.
0:01:31Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.
0:01:32- Yeah, like my, I was talking to my brother about it.
0:01:35My brother's a big football fan,
0:01:36and he has been pretty resistant to the entire idea
0:01:41of Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds
0:01:43buying this football club, because they're like,
0:01:45"Oh, this is setting a bad precedent,"
0:01:46and like that kind of idea.
0:01:48And I just said to him, like, "Just watch it."
0:01:50'Cause I think the heart that they bring to this idea
0:01:55is not something you would naturally have assumed,
0:01:57but they genuinely seem to care
0:01:59and seem to put a lot of effort and work in
0:02:02to doing quote unquote the right thing.
0:02:05And the show is just fantastic.
0:02:07It's so good.
0:02:08And as you say, like, yeah, it is a documentary
0:02:11about two celebrities buying a football club,
0:02:14but it's more than that.
0:02:15And like some episodes, they're barely in it.
0:02:18Like it's just following the kind of characters of the town
0:02:22that they have established as interesting people
0:02:25in Wrexham in Wales and understanding how ingrained it is.
0:02:30It's really great.
0:02:31So it's in Hulu in America, outside it's on Disney+.
0:02:35They put it up the next day,
0:02:36which I was really happy about 'cause genuinely,
0:02:39genuinely I think that Reynolds and McElhenney
0:02:42made a deal with Disney to make sure this was done
0:02:45'cause this is not consistent.
0:02:48That show The Bear, right, that's on Hulu.
0:02:50We haven't got it yet.
0:02:51And it's like, at some point we're gonna get it.
0:02:54Like a lot of these Hulu shows,
0:02:56it's like at some point it will come to Disney Plus.
0:02:58And my assumption is just, they were very aware
0:03:01that this show needs to be
0:03:02in the United Kingdom immediately, right?
0:03:05You can't make this show about a Welsh football team
0:03:09and then it just show up at some point, right?
0:03:12Like, ah, you know, whatever.
0:03:15- This is a little different in the sense
0:03:17that it's an FX show.
0:03:18So it's on cable and then it goes to Hulu.
0:03:22And so they've obviously, yeah, they got the rights set up
0:03:26so that they would be able to stream it immediately
0:03:29in the UK and elsewhere, presumably on Disney+.
0:03:31Yeah, it's a really well done show.
0:03:33And I get your brothers like,
0:03:38"Oh boy, like this is not great."
0:03:40Like I get it, but watching "Welcome to Wrexham,"
0:03:43it makes it, at least it makes it seem very much like
0:03:46that was a team that was dying, right?
0:03:50Like it was falling into decay
0:03:53and would either be irrelevant or gone.
0:03:58And so there is this, I think it's a fascinating question,
0:04:01which is, well, if a couple of Hollywood types come in
0:04:06and buy your team and say they wanna put money,
0:04:08their money in it and make it better, is that good?
0:04:12Because as in the episode I watched last night,
0:04:15which is the episode where they actually finally come
0:04:17to Rexham 'cause they're like it's episode eight
0:04:19before they show up in Rexham.
0:04:20- That's a great episode.
0:04:22- They obviously care about not ruining it.
0:04:27And yet a line that comes back time and again
0:04:32is change is inevitable.
0:04:35And this is, I think, fascinating on a much broader scale,
0:04:39which is this argument, 'cause I've seen this in business
0:04:42and stuff that I've done in my career,
0:04:43like things I've reported on, things that I've done myself,
0:04:46like one of the common things you get is,
0:04:50why can't it just stay the way it is?
0:04:53And the problem with that is,
0:04:56it's like you're gonna make it change.
0:04:58I wanna keep it the way it is.
0:04:59And I understand that sentiment,
0:05:02that's a very human sentiment.
0:05:04But the truth is, things change, right?
0:05:07Things, it's not a choice between the steady state
0:05:10that will go on forever and change, right?
0:05:13It's a choice between letting it change on its own
0:05:18or doing something to change it in a different way.
0:05:21And I think people get caught up in the,
0:05:23like these guys are gonna come in here and ruin it.
0:05:25And their point, which they're gently trying to get across
0:05:29is it's gonna change regardless, right?
0:05:32Like the future of this football club is not what it is today
0:05:37or what it was five years ago.
0:05:39Like it's headed in one direction or another,
0:05:42and we get to choose a different direction for it.
0:05:44But like, if you leave it alone,
0:05:46and it's just sort of neglected,
0:05:47like it had been for years, that also leads to change, right?
0:05:52It is not in a steady state.
0:05:55And I think that's really interesting on a larger picture
0:05:57that like, it's not your choosing
0:05:59between these guys coming in
0:06:01and everything being fine without them, right?
0:06:03You're choosing between these guys coming in
0:06:04and doing question mark, who knows what,
0:06:06and what happens if they don't come in?
0:06:09Yeah, and I think something that they talk about a bunch is like a lot of the change
0:06:13everyone will be happy with if the team's winning. Right? Like, make a bunch of change
0:06:18and do whatever you need to do. But if it ends up resulting on like in Wrexham getting
0:06:24promoted moving forward and moving through the football leagues, like that's the good
0:06:29kind of change. Like do what's needed there. So yeah, it's really interesting show. I've,
0:06:34I'm a big fan of those guys anyway, so I was really excited about it and I've loved it.
0:06:39And it's been fascinating to see why they did this and why they're doing it.
0:06:44It's really cool.
0:06:45I like it.
0:06:46Recommended.
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0:06:57This was some follow out, Jason.
0:06:59I want to give a shout out to Shelley Brisbane.
0:07:01Shelly was on an earlier episode of the show this year to give a state of accessibility
0:07:06on Apple's platforms, one of our verticals in the verticals extravaganza.
0:07:11Shelly has a show called Parallel on Relay FM that's been on a bit of a season break
0:07:16and the show's back now.
0:07:18And this episode that just published last week is focused on new updates to the web
0:07:23content accessibility guidelines, which is a thing that I didn't even know existed.
0:07:28I'm going to go out on a limb and say many of our listeners who may be web developers
0:07:33maybe don't know that this exists, so go listen to this episode of Parallel if this is of
0:07:39an importance to you in your day job.
0:07:41Did you know that the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, the WCAG, existed?
0:07:46I think I did, but I don't know what's in them.
0:07:49Oh, look at you.
0:07:50Oh, okay, well there you go.
0:07:52There's a spectrum of understanding here.
0:07:54You can know it exists, but if you don't know what's in it, maybe that's still part of the
0:07:57problem.
0:07:58this recent episode of Parallel. You can find out about that. Also if you enjoy
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0:08:10that he has thoughts about the book After Steve. My library hold came in.
0:08:15Yay! This is a book that I love and have been talking a lot about over the last
0:08:20few months while I was reading it and I am intrigued because Jason's told me he
0:08:24has "thoughts" about it so maybe my heart's gonna get broken.
0:08:27Friends, I did not love it.
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0:08:39Let's do some follow-up. Jason, Amazon put their Yankees game on the Yes Network.
0:08:45They did. They did. This is the Aaron Judge hitting home runs, people want to see it.
0:08:50Amazon bought the rights to what previously had been broadcast TV actually in the New
0:08:55York area.
0:08:57And so if you were in the New York area, this is so strange, I think we covered this in
0:09:02a previous episode, but just to be clear, if you're in the New York area, some of the
0:09:06games are on Amazon Prime Video, but only in the New York area, which is wild.
0:09:12They bought broadcast rights, essentially.
0:09:15So in this case, as Aaron Judge has been hitting many home runs, they took their Amazon game
0:09:20game and put it on the Yes Network, which is the Yankee-owned cable channel that also
0:09:29is in that region, where most of the games are. So that was one of those sort of like,
0:09:35"We want to see it and we don't want to look at Amazon," which is weird because if you're
0:09:37a Yankee fan, like, you've had a dozen more games on Amazon this year. You've had the
0:09:43whole season. I think this goes back to that idea that there are some people out there
0:09:46who are just so resistant to streaming that they are going to refuse it even if it's like
0:09:51their favorite team because this is not like, I find that very strange. Like what could
0:09:57motivate you more than your favorite team putting 10 or 15 games a year on Amazon Prime
0:10:02Video? What could motivate you more than that to figure that out? And yet people, I guess,
0:10:11complained and Amazon just said, "Yeah, we'll put that game on the Yes Network if that's
0:10:15- That's fine.
0:10:16- But Amazon owns 15% of the Yes Network.
0:10:18(laughs)
0:10:19And also it's like, unlike Apple TV Plus,
0:10:23Prime Video isn't free, so.
0:10:25- Exactly.
0:10:26- Right?
0:10:26- That is the big difference, right?
0:10:27It is that Apple TV Plus isn't free, right?
0:10:28But the baseball games, at least this year,
0:10:30were free on Apple TV Plus.
0:10:33So it's a different kind of thing.
0:10:34But again, what this controversy says,
0:10:37and I'll point out again, this is not free, it's cable TV.
0:10:42You gotta pay for cable TV to see it.
0:10:44So I think this plays right into the hands of the people who are the cable providers
0:10:49and channels that have deals with the cable providers, including ultimately the money
0:10:53flows to the baseball team, saying, you know, people are like, "Oh, we want it on cable."
0:10:58It's like, okay, cable is a pay service that you can get baseball games on.
0:11:04There are others, right?
0:11:06Apple TV arguably—I know I said this last week, I'm going to say it again—Apple TV
0:11:10arguably has a bigger addressable audience than cable because all you need is an internet
0:11:18connection and a device, basically like a web browser, will do, and you, which again,
0:11:24yes, you have to pay for the internet too, right? Like, but it, people with devices and
0:11:30internet versus people who have paid for cable, I don't know, I think devices and internet
0:11:35is probably a bigger number than people who pay for cable TV at this point, right? And
0:11:39if not, it's probably in the ballpark of it.
0:11:42And the only, so the only true free sports
0:11:47is stuff that goes over broadcast.
0:11:49And you know, nobody, I haven't seen anybody step up
0:11:52and say, "Hey, everything should be on broadcast TV," right?
0:11:55That ship has sailed.
0:11:56So my point is, other ships are also sailing now
0:11:59and they are streaming sports and that's just how it is.
0:12:03- So tap to pay was a thing being rolled out for the iPhone.
0:12:07I think you started with a version of iOS 16.
0:12:10This is the idea of no longer needing a card reader
0:12:12to take payments and there are a bunch of companies
0:12:14jumping on board.
0:12:15Square has now made it available with their platform.
0:12:19So I think it was just a beta before,
0:12:21but now it's available if you're a Square customer.
0:12:24So if you have one of the little card readers or whatever,
0:12:26you can now, if you have an iPhone that has an NFC chip in it
0:12:29and is supported with that version of iOS,
0:12:32you'll be able to take payments just from your device,
0:12:35like device to card or device to device.
0:12:38I think this is a pretty big deal,
0:12:41especially for Square doing it.
0:12:42I feel like they're maybe the,
0:12:44or one of the market leaders in this technology.
0:12:47And so now it's available if you are a Square customer.
0:12:51- Yeah, so the idea here is that if you are,
0:12:54like, I don't know, most of the,
0:12:55during the pandemic especially,
0:12:56most of the places at my local farmer's market now
0:13:00are doing, you know, are taking cards and they were,
0:13:04because of during the pandemic,
0:13:05They're very much like,
0:13:07we can put this little card reader out on the edge
0:13:09and then you don't have to come close to us
0:13:10and it's contactless and all of that.
0:13:12But I also like the idea that even if you don't have
0:13:15a terminal or a little extension or whatever,
0:13:17maybe you're somebody who is,
0:13:20I'm trying to come up with some examples,
0:13:22but it's like anybody who does fee for service stuff
0:13:24and they've got their phone with them
0:13:26and they can say, just tap your card, right?
0:13:28Instead of saying, I've got this square thing plugged in
0:13:31and now here it is and let me run it and all of that.
0:13:34'cause I've seen that too.
0:13:36This is way easier than that.
0:13:37It's not maybe as nice as if you've got a setup
0:13:39with a kiosk, a little thing at the end of your table
0:13:43or whatever, but so convenient to be able to say
0:13:45as a small business person to say, just tap to pay,
0:13:50and it's done.
0:13:53- I mean, so back in the day when I used to go
0:13:56to the Atlanta Pen Show with Brad,
0:13:57and he would have like a table and be selling products
0:14:00from his company, Knock.
0:14:02and he would have to leave his phone with me if he went away
0:14:07because he only had one reader
0:14:09and he didn't want to sign in with the whole app and everything.
0:14:12So it was like a whole thing because you had to link them together.
0:14:15But now in theory, everyone that is in a business
0:14:19could sign into the app, like to the Square app,
0:14:22and you could just use your own phones to make it work.
0:14:24It feels like this is a little bit more flexible of a situation.
0:14:27You'd see people like, "Have you got the reader? No.
0:14:30Mary's got the reader. You have to go get the reader for Mary. It's like a whole thing.
0:14:33I know also, um, this is, everybody outside of the US is gonna find this hilarious, but
0:14:38it really happens in the US, which is the plumber, the electrician, or whatever, comes
0:14:44to your house, and then they say, "Can you write me a check?"
0:14:50Yeah, that's madness.
0:14:52Well, it is. It is, and yet, like, what else are they supposed to do? Like, we'll send
0:14:59you a bill? Yeah, we don't do that here. We don't have that. Wire transfer, that would
0:15:05be like you'd just be burned at the stake for that. I'm sorry, you're like, "No, out!
0:15:09Get out! I'm taking your house. All the plumbing is mine now."
0:15:12Well, Venmo, I guess, right? That's kind of what I'm talking about when I say bank transfer.
0:15:17That idea of a very simple person to person.
0:15:20Okay. I will say that that is also, although it's more common than it used to be, that
0:15:25has also struggled to gain acceptance with,
0:15:27I would say, especially an older audience.
0:15:30My point here is that I think that there's a case to be made
0:15:36that what will finally banish the check,
0:15:39please write me a check, says the plumber,
0:15:41from our world might be them realizing
0:15:46that they can just load an app on their phone
0:15:50and now they can accept that credit card right there.
0:15:54right? Because their phone is just in their pocket. They don't have that little dealy
0:15:58and now they don't even need it, right? All they need to do is have, they can set up or
0:16:02have someone set up for them perhaps if they don't, if they aren't comfortable with that
0:16:06technology, you know? And I'm not saying all plumbers are afraid of technology. I'm saying
0:16:10my plumber is afraid of technology. So this is the, this is the point. Maybe this will
0:16:15help banish the, I'm optimistic about this because this feels like the kind of thing
0:16:19that really will get the whole write me a check thing out of the US finally.
0:16:22Jason, get your calendar ready. October 27th, Apple's Q4 earnings call.
0:16:29My calendar is already ready, Myke. I am ready, and that, you know what it means? It also
0:16:35means that on Halloween, the spookiest episode of Upgrade will feature spooky results! Ooh!
0:16:45Maybe. They actually could be a fright.
0:16:48They could be?
0:16:49They could be a fright.
0:16:50- Hmm, we'll see.
0:16:53Or maybe there'll be a treat.
0:16:54That'll be our, that's our thing.
0:16:56That's gonna be our thing, right?
0:16:57Apple results, trick or treat.
0:16:59- Trick or treat.
0:17:00Ooh, that's good.
0:17:01- Yeah, get ready.
0:17:02- No rumor roundup this week.
0:17:04There wasn't a ton of compelling stuff.
0:17:06I do have a rumor followup for you,
0:17:08which is Mark Gorman in his power on newsletter
0:17:10is dabbling down no October event.
0:17:13You see?
0:17:15- Izzy, Izzy, I wanna parse Mark's words here, if I might.
0:17:20- I would love you to do that.
0:17:22- He says, "These announcements may not come
0:17:26in the form of another flashy media event."
0:17:29- Oh, so he's hedging a bit more actually.
0:17:31He's not- - May not.
0:17:33May not. - He's hedging down.
0:17:35- And flashy media event, right?
0:17:38Which I think goes back to the conversation we had,
0:17:40which is there's lots of ways to do product releases, right?
0:17:44Like what's a flashy media event?
0:17:46Is he saying they'll put out a press release
0:17:49and not a video?
0:17:50I mean, maybe, but I would say,
0:17:52why wouldn't you do a video at this point, right?
0:17:56Like, why wouldn't you do a video
0:17:57if you have anything worth talking about?
0:17:59And I would argue maybe the MacBook Pro
0:18:01is worth talking about,
0:18:02and new M2 processors are worth talking about.
0:18:05Last year they did this, and it was what,
0:18:06a sub hour video that they put out?
0:18:09Like, why not do it that way?
0:18:12And you don't have to invite the media somewhere
0:18:14just because the last two events they've held
0:18:16have invited the media.
0:18:17You can absolutely do the product briefing thing
0:18:19with members of the media to release this stuff and review it.
0:18:23So I don't know what Mark's trying to say here, because he's hedging and he's also saying
0:18:28it's a flashy media event, and, you know, is, again, is a 45-minute long video and some
0:18:34briefings with press a media, a flashy media event or not?
0:18:40So I think that I'm still gonna remain skeptical of this.
0:18:45I think this is kind of Mark Gurman's,
0:18:48you know, more of a take and less of a report,
0:18:51and that's fine, but I have yet to see anything tangible
0:18:55that suggests, you know, and I'm fascinated by this too,
0:18:57right, because that's the argument inside Apple is like,
0:18:59well, how do we roll these products out?
0:19:00And I would say you got a new iPad,
0:19:03you got new Mac laptops, the MacBook Pros
0:19:06that are very popular and people care about,
0:19:08you've got new chips to boast about, at least a little bit,
0:19:10assuming that they are impressive
0:19:12and you want to boast about them,
0:19:14you got that Mac Pro thing hanging out there,
0:19:16maybe do kind of pre-announce that too.
0:19:18Like why would you not do a video?
0:19:21Like what's the extra overhead?
0:19:23I know there's extra overhead to make a video,
0:19:25but like surely there's way more benefit
0:19:27to telling people next week, tune in,
0:19:31and then letting a whole lot of people
0:19:32watch an hour long commercial,
0:19:34than just putting out a press release
0:19:36and relying entirely on the press
0:19:38to mediate between you and your audience, right?
0:19:42The beauty of the Apple video announcement
0:19:43is, people tune in and watch it. Whereas if you do a press release, everything's coming
0:19:48through reports and Apple doesn't get to control the story as much as if it has the video that
0:19:54it produces itself. So I'm still skeptical. I want to believe that they're going to do
0:19:59a video, but we'll see. And that'll be a fascinating discussion just about what they announced
0:20:03and what they chose in terms of rolling it out.
0:20:05- Yeah, I just, I don't know.
0:20:07Like, I agree with you, like,
0:20:09if they did all of those things, right,
0:20:11that it could be, like, event-worthy.
0:20:14But let's imagine if they didn't have the Mac Pro to show
0:20:17or whatever, and it is just like,
0:20:19hey, we have new M2 processors in our iPads,
0:20:23and we have new M2 processors in our MacBooks.
0:20:26It might not be really that exciting, I don't know.
0:20:30- If it's literally nothing interesting,
0:20:34It's an M2 MacBook or M2 iPad Pro
0:20:39doesn't do anything interesting.
0:20:42And M2s of the Mac mini and the MacBook Pro,
0:20:46but they're otherwise not that interesting.
0:20:49And if they either don't have anything interesting to say
0:20:52about the higher end M2 chips,
0:20:54or the truth is that the higher end M2 chips
0:20:58aren't that impressive,
0:21:00it's better to do that as a press release, right?
0:21:03and just say, "We refreshed with the M2.
0:21:06It's one more, yay!"
0:21:07And then move on with their lives.
0:21:09Absolutely, they could do that.
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0:23:20So iOS 16.1 is going through the beta process at the moment.
0:23:25I'm very keen for this for live activities,
0:23:30like when that starts to become a thing.
0:23:33There's nothing on that now,
0:23:34but I'm hoping in the not too distant future
0:23:37that we'll start to understand what that's gonna be like.
0:23:39And like, I'm really keen for that.
0:23:41I think it's gonna be a whole different way
0:23:45of using my new iPhone, right?
0:23:47Pretty, pretty keen.
0:23:48big missing piece of the whole Dynamic Island story
0:23:51is gonna come into focus at some point here.
0:23:53- That's part of iOS, right?
0:23:5616.1.
0:23:57But also we have no version of iPadOS
0:24:00in case you've not keep a score in the 16 number, right?
0:24:04At the moment, iPadOS goes to 15.7.
0:24:07And they delayed it seemingly because they wanted
0:24:10to spend some more time working on stage manager,
0:24:13which is still a pretty buggy.
0:24:16But now as of iPadOS 16.1 beta 3, which came out late last week, Apple have enabled previous
0:24:24iPad Pro models that do not have an M1 chip to be able to use Stage Manager.
0:24:30So namely the 2018 and 2019 12 inch iPad Pro and the 11 inch iPad Pro.
0:24:37Which I saw recently, the 11 inch iPad Pro is now the current one, is the longest version
0:24:46of a product, sorry, is the longest life of any iPad from like the age of the current
0:24:54model number.
0:24:55I need to find this, I saw this as a headline.
0:24:57You know, it's just one of those headlines, like, "Oh, I saw that piece of information
0:25:00away for later on."
0:25:01But I was like, "Man, they've been sitting on that thing for a while."
0:25:04I don't understand what that means.
0:25:07This is from MacRumors.
0:25:08The 2021 11" iPad Pro has today become, this is last week, the longest lasting model of
0:25:14its kind ever on sale.
0:25:18As of today, the 2021 11" iPad Pro is 513 days old, making it one day older than the
0:25:24previous longest-reigning smaller iPad Pro model, 2016's 9.7" iPad Pro.
0:25:29So it's only if iPad Pros, that's probably not as exciting as a statistic, hey kids always
0:25:34read the articles before you say them.
0:25:36- What about the M1, I mean, wasn't it released
0:25:38the same day as the M1?
0:25:40They were both M1s, right?
0:25:42The 11 and the 12.9.
0:25:43Did they not, I'm confused by that.
0:25:47- I don't know, man.
0:25:51I'm just saying, I'm just regurgitating.
0:25:53The 11 is shipped before the 12.9, says Zach.
0:25:57- Okay.
0:25:57- So it's not a huge difference,
0:25:59but that was a pointless aside.
0:26:00- Congratulations, you did it.
0:26:01- That was a pointless aside, all right?
0:26:03best cup of coffee in the world.
0:26:06You did it.
0:26:07- How, what is that from?
0:26:09- Elf.
0:26:10- Thank you.
0:26:11But what they have done, I mean, the big thing here
0:26:13is they have enabled stage manager to work
0:26:15on these three models of iPad Pro.
0:26:19- Yes.
0:26:20- Which was a complaint people had four months ago.
0:26:23- Yes.
0:26:25Yes, this was the initial, after the announcement in June,
0:26:28there was a lot of detective work that people did
0:26:31because they were irate, 'cause they said,
0:26:32"Wait a second, you're saying that the M1 enables,
0:26:35the M1 and the RAM or something enables stage manager,
0:26:39but this older system has the same thing,
0:26:42and so why would you not?"
0:26:43And like, there was a lot of like,
0:26:44this doesn't really make sense.
0:26:45And I think the thought at the time was,
0:26:47Apple obviously decided to draw the line here.
0:26:49Like they didn't wanna go back.
0:26:50And I had heard that there were, you know,
0:26:52the chance that there were struggles
0:26:54'cause they're doing the external display
0:26:55and up to eight and all these things.
0:26:57And like, somebody at Apple made the call of like,
0:27:00"Look, let's just cut it at the M1."
0:27:02people who don't have an M1, iPad Pro are like, "What are you doing?" We bought these
0:27:06— you know, and the argument, which I think is a good one, is we bought these overpowered
0:27:11pieces of hardware with the promise — and again, never buy hardware with the promise
0:27:15of upgrades later, don't do it — but the idea that we all talked about at the time,
0:27:19right, which is like the hardware had so far outpaced the software. So here finally comes
0:27:24multi-window support, and they say, "No, no, no. Your hardware that was so advanced is
0:27:30is now not advanced enough to do this feature.
0:27:33And so interesting pivot that obviously,
0:27:35ODA be a fly on the wall inside Apple for this,
0:27:38interesting pivot here where they have now decided
0:27:42to enable it on the older iPad Pro models
0:27:46and simultaneously hold off on the release
0:27:52of support for the external display on all iPads.
0:27:57- So the non M1 models will not be able
0:28:00to do external display support.
0:28:02They'll only get to be able to use up to four apps
0:28:04at a time on the iPad's display.
0:28:07- On the screen itself and 16.1 has had external display
0:28:12support for the M1 models turned back off.
0:28:17- Coming later this year.
0:28:18- 'Cause they are clearly focused on shipping Stage Manager
0:28:24And so they've expanded the base
0:28:26of the on-screen stage manager,
0:28:29and they're now gonna try to fix the bugs
0:28:31and ship that out.
0:28:32So the good news is if you've got an iPad Pro
0:28:34from 18 and 19, and you wanna use stage manager, you can.
0:28:39The bad news, I guess, is for everybody,
0:28:42external display stage manager is not gonna happen
0:28:45for 16.1, it's gonna come later,
0:28:48and that will still only be to M1.
0:28:52which is, I'll just throw in there.
0:28:55I think this is a little bit curious,
0:28:57'cause they talk about the eight at a time,
0:29:01but what they don't talk about is another design decision
0:29:04that they made that I don't like,
0:29:06which is the inability to run an iPad on external display
0:29:11with the screen turned off, right?
0:29:16You have to have, you know how you can close a MacBook
0:29:21and plug it into an external display,
0:29:23and then it's only driving the one display.
0:29:25Well, you can't do that with an iPad.
0:29:27You have to have your iPad open somewhere
0:29:30with the screen on, and that's a decision Apple made, right?
0:29:34They made that decision to do it that way.
0:29:37And I would argue that maybe that leads to the fact
0:29:41that these other iPads can't support an external display
0:29:44because it's always said in the context of,
0:29:47oh, well, up to eight apps at once with an external display,
0:29:51like four and four. But I wonder if at the beginning of this process they had
0:29:56said, "Yes, let's do a screen off mode," if those older ones might have supported
0:30:01an external display too. But they seem again to have come too far down this
0:30:05path. I still have hope that maybe in iOS iPadOS 17 they'll do a proper kind of
0:30:10lid closed iPad because I find it really distracting and extraneous to have the
0:30:16iPad screen and my big screen on at the same time. But in any event, it is good news. I
0:30:24will also say, sorry to be the bearer of negativity in this good moment, users of older iPad Pros,
0:30:31but I think Stage Manager is actually better on an external display and is a little less
0:30:35useful on an internal display, especially the smaller one. I'm not as down on Stage
0:30:41manager as Federico Vittucci is, but it feels to me like it really works best
0:30:49when you've got lots of screen space, like on an external display, because I
0:30:56always find myself with two apps side-by-side in Windows in Stage Manager
0:31:01thinking to myself, "How is this better than Split View?" Right? Like I'm using, I'm
0:31:06I'm actually using more pixels on Chrome and backgrounds
0:31:10and corners of windows and stuff.
0:31:13And if all I really want is the two things side by side,
0:31:16and that's not always what I want,
0:31:17but often that's what I want,
0:31:19that's not actually better than split view at all.
0:31:21And in fact, if you turn off stage manager at that point,
0:31:24they just go into split view.
0:31:26So it's a weird feature.
0:31:28Like I'm glad it exists.
0:31:29I'm glad that external display support is going to exist
0:31:32at some point here,
0:31:33even though they pulled it from the betas.
0:31:35I'm glad that they're supporting older systems,
0:31:37but there is, and people can listen
0:31:40to last week's episode of Connected
0:31:41if they wanna hear some more of Federico talking about this
0:31:44'cause he spent the whole summer with it.
0:31:46Like, it's buggy.
0:31:47I think I'm not as down on its premises as he is,
0:31:51but it's got weird bugs and the weird bugs keep coming
0:31:55at a moment where you'd expect to see it settling down
0:31:58and being shippable.
0:32:00As he pointed out, like there's a weird bug
0:32:02where if you click on a window,
0:32:05then it can't hear your mouse clicks until,
0:32:10the best part, my favorite part is,
0:32:11until you move the mouse pointer, the pointer,
0:32:15outside of the window's boundary,
0:32:17and then move it back in, and then it'll hear your clicks.
0:32:20You don't have to click outside.
0:32:21You just need to move the pointer outside,
0:32:23and then move it back in, and then you can click.
0:32:26And it's like, well, wait a second.
0:32:27It's almost October, now it is October,
0:32:30and we're getting new bugs in this thing, it's troubling.
0:32:35I think all of us have this kind of like
0:32:40spider sense tingle happening where we're like,
0:32:42hmm, this is not how this is supposed to go
0:32:46in terms of shipping this product.
0:32:48So, you know, I think the good news is
0:32:52I think it ships turned off.
0:32:53I agree with Federico.
0:32:54It might be wise for them to not even tout this feature
0:32:57when they roll it out and to have it like be there
0:32:59as a secret feature you can turn on, but not promote it,
0:33:02not suggest that anybody use it,
0:33:04until they get it to the point where it's in better shape.
0:33:09- I was talking about this on connectedly,
0:33:12and like you should say, Federico was,
0:33:14I don't know if it's right to say
0:33:18he doesn't believe in the premise,
0:33:20it's the current way that it works,
0:33:23I think is a bigger issue for him,
0:33:24where he feels like he can't even properly use it,
0:33:27'cause he's coming up against bugs constantly.
0:33:30- No, but he would very obviously prefer a tiling system.
0:33:33Right?
0:33:34He wants, he would prefer that it be split view plus,
0:33:38right?
0:33:38Where, which I see the argument there.
0:33:40I don't like tiling systems.
0:33:42I don't like, I like, like on my Mac,
0:33:45I don't have every window not overlapping
0:33:48and to all the way out, spread out to the far corners.
0:33:52Right?
0:33:53And the problem with the tiling system is
0:33:54something's gotta be on the far edge
0:33:56because that's how tiling works.
0:33:58I don't actually like that.
0:34:00I like freeform.
0:34:01I get why some people like tiled windows.
0:34:04There are lots of Mac utilities that do tiled windows.
0:34:06But I will say that I do sort of see his point sometimes,
0:34:10like I said, when I've got the two,
0:34:12I've done a lot of work to get two windows side by side
0:34:15in Stage Manager, and all I'm doing
0:34:17is really replicating split view,
0:34:19which I would just get if I turned Stage Manager off.
0:34:21- Yeah.
0:34:22But my feeling is, is that I'm not,
0:34:25I don't know if they're putting the right efforts into the right places with Stage Manager.
0:34:30Like I just, I'm not sure.
0:34:32You know, like I was talking about this and I think Steve Trout and Smith was tweeting about like maybe,
0:34:36you know, I was positing the question as if this took a lot of work from them to make it work on the non-M1 iPads.
0:34:43I saw him saying something like they could just enable it.
0:34:46I wonder if there was a lot of optimization work needed.
0:34:49But all I feel like I can see is this is a feature which
0:34:53should have evolved in a lot of really positive ways
0:34:56over the beta period.
0:34:58And there were some changes that have been good,
0:35:00but it kind of feels like, at least on the iPad,
0:35:03just the fundamental premise is a little flawed.
0:35:08You can't freely move the windows around, right, still.
0:35:13- That is a great point.
0:35:15The idea that, all right, first off, they say,
0:35:19okay, we're not gonna do tiling.
0:35:20We're not gonna do super split view.
0:35:23we're not gonna do that.
0:35:24We're gonna do freeform windows and you can resize them
0:35:27and you can drag them around on screen.
0:35:29You're like, all right, all right, okay,
0:35:30so more like the Mac, great.
0:35:31And then they say, no, no, when we say freeform,
0:35:36we don't mean it.
0:35:37We mean certain sizes and certain places you can drag them.
0:35:41- Freely form within a set level of forms.
0:35:45That's what you can do.
0:35:46- Well, it's like, well, what are we doing here then?
0:35:49Like, why wouldn't you just do tiling at that point?
0:35:51And over the summer, one of the things I've noticed is that they've been tweaking that
0:35:55a little bit, where it's like slightly freer. "Guys, what are you doing? What is going on
0:36:03here that you're..." It just seems weird. Are you going to the point where they're just
0:36:08going to be totally freeform at some point? You're just going to check that box and be
0:36:11like, "All right, go to town, everybody." It's this weird middle where they're like,
0:36:16"We want you to have control, but not too much control."
0:36:20And at that point, I don't know,
0:36:22it either needs to be way smarter,
0:36:25or it needs to just be freeform windows, right?
0:36:28Just embrace that.
0:36:29And I think that comes to the larger point,
0:36:31which maybe you were getting at there a little bit too,
0:36:33which is I'm not sure this is a feature
0:36:36that sprung from a vision about what the end point was.
0:36:41And this is my larger point.
0:36:45when you talk about like you'd expect there to be more progress over the summer,
0:36:49this is my larger point about stage manager, which is stage manager really feels
0:36:53like we're watching what usually happens behind the scenes happen in public,
0:36:59which is, it feels to me like they're still figuring it out.
0:37:04And I don't mind that being done in public.
0:37:07I think it's kind of great because we are all able to give them feedback about it.
0:37:11But it is unusual for Apple because usually they go through all
0:37:15of this on the inside, and then they spring something
0:37:19where they're all kind of in alignment,
0:37:20and they're like, "Yes, this is what we're gonna do."
0:37:22And they spring that on as a WWDC.
0:37:25And maybe they thought that's what it was, a WWDC,
0:37:28but it became clear pretty rapidly that it wasn't,
0:37:31and that there really wasn't kind of alignment,
0:37:34and that the feedback was very strong.
0:37:35And again, credit to them for listening to the feedback.
0:37:39But here we are in this point now where it feels to me like,
0:37:42On the one hand, I kind of want this feature.
0:37:45On the other hand, this feature seems half-baked.
0:37:48It really just seems like they need to spend,
0:37:52not weeks, right, but months on adjusting it.
0:37:57And that's my greatest fear about "Stage Manager,"
0:38:01is that whatever they ship in 16.1,
0:38:05they're gonna say, "Well, that's what we shipped,"
0:38:07and they're gonna walk away from it for at least a year.
0:38:11And I think it's not at the point now
0:38:14where I would like them to spend the next year
0:38:17in 16.2 and 0.3 and 0.4 and 0.5
0:38:22working on stage manager.
0:38:23Because if they ship something that's kind of,
0:38:27you know, imperfect and then say,
0:38:30"Well, now we're gonna go behind the curtain
0:38:32and do the rest of our work behind the curtain,
0:38:33see you in a year or two."
0:38:35I think that's irresponsible.
0:38:37'Cause like I think it was in 16.1 Beta 2,
0:38:41they added the ability that you could freely move
0:38:45an app horizontal.
0:38:47- But not vertically.
0:38:48- But only if there was an app larger behind it.
0:38:52- Behind it, yeah.
0:38:53Mm-hmm.
0:38:54- Why is that the...
0:38:56I don't get it.
0:38:58- I don't know.
0:38:58It's so arbitrary.
0:38:59Well, and why, okay.
0:39:01You know, on the iPhone, what Apple has told us is,
0:39:05"Hey, we know you like lock screen images and wallpaper.
0:39:10We're gonna create a whole system for that."
0:39:13In stage manager, they're like,
0:39:14"You know that wallpaper
0:39:15that you very carefully picked for yourself?
0:39:17We're gonna fuzz it in the background
0:39:19so it's un-viewable
0:39:22while you're using stage manager in the foreground."
0:39:25Like, why?
0:39:27Why would you do that? - 'Cause that makes it feel
0:39:28like you're using a system on top of a system,
0:39:31which shouldn't be how this feels.
0:39:33I know that's what it is, the way they make you enable it, but I feel like it shouldn't
0:39:39be like I'm enabling stage manager mode, it should just be more I choose to use my windows
0:39:45this way.
0:39:48I feel like that that blurring is kind of emblematic of an overall thing about stage
0:39:54manager, where they're like, oh this is a mode.
0:39:58Not like, hey we're rethinking the way that this is supposed to work.
0:40:01- Correct me if I'm wrong,
0:40:02it doesn't blow your background on macOS?
0:40:05- No.
0:40:06- Right.
0:40:07- Yeah, I don't, I mean, on macOS,
0:40:09you can now actually choose to show the documents
0:40:11in the Finder too.
0:40:12So like, it's, on macOS, they've said,
0:40:16"Oh yes, your backdrop is your backdrop."
0:40:18And yet on iOS, they're like,
0:40:19"No, no, when you're using Stage Manager,
0:40:21"although we'll give you a hint of what's back
0:40:22"on your backdrop that you selected yourself,
0:40:26"you can't see it, it's not legible."
0:40:29I'm like, I don't understand, like people like that.
0:40:31Why would you do that?
0:40:32And it's interesting that you mentioned the mode.
0:40:35I do think, I mean, we'll see how this goes,
0:40:37but like I have occasionally used Stage Manager
0:40:41on the iPad with apps maximized.
0:40:45And what I found is it kind of feels like
0:40:49what they want the iPad ultimately to feel like,
0:40:54which, 'cause you can use it with all apps maximized,
0:40:57but Stage Manager turned on.
0:40:58And all that really changes is that
0:41:01the animations are different,
0:41:03but otherwise it feels like the iPad, right?
0:41:06'Cause all of the windows are full screen,
0:41:09or at least you could switch between ones
0:41:11that are full screen and the ones that have two windows
0:41:13floating and all of that, different stages.
0:41:14And I think, yeah, this is almost a vision
0:41:17of where the iPad is going,
0:41:18which is everything's full screen by default,
0:41:20stage manager is always on,
0:41:22and then you can pop things out of full screen
0:41:25and do stuff with them.
0:41:26But what's interesting is, right, like,
0:41:28that's kind of way in the background
0:41:30because the work hasn't been done up in the foreground yet
0:41:35to make it worth it.
0:41:36And so instead Stage Manager remains a mode that is,
0:41:40you know, I don't know, I'm fascinated by it
0:41:42because I'm like Federico, one of those people
0:41:44who has been asking for this kind of feature
0:41:46for a long time now.
0:41:47And what I don't feel like is that I've got a clear vision
0:41:51of like Apple knows why all of these decisions
0:41:54have been made.
0:41:55it feels much more like, let's change this.
0:41:59Are you happy now?
0:41:59Let's change this.
0:42:01Are you happy now?
0:42:02And that's the, I mean, I appreciate listening to the users,
0:42:05but I would also like a very clear and consistent vision
0:42:08about why this feature exists
0:42:10and how it's supposed to be used.
0:42:12And the problem is that it's just kind of muddy right now.
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0:44:26So one day last week Jason sent me a tweet and he said "We need to cover this on the
0:44:31show, we need to talk about this." And it was a picture of Tim Cook and Eddie Q at Octoberfest
0:44:39in Munich, right? - Yep.
0:44:41- And we were like, oh yeah, that's like a funny thought,
0:44:44oh, it's like an interesting thing, why are they there,
0:44:46why are they doing this?
0:44:48And we were like, oh, we should talk about
0:44:51the wild European tour that Tim Cook
0:44:54seems to be on right now.
0:44:55So today, I sat down and went through Tim's tweets
0:45:00and have-- - Oh, excellent.
0:45:02- And I'm now going to give you a blow-by-blow
0:45:05of everything Tim Cook has been doing over the last week
0:45:08based upon his Twitter account, right?
0:45:11- It is amazing.
0:45:12I should say he started in New York,
0:45:13so he was already flying east.
0:45:15He went to Apple 5th Avenue,
0:45:17Apple Upper West Side and Apple Upper East Side.
0:45:21- He was just making his way.
0:45:23He didn't wanna do-- - He's just getting started.
0:45:24- Tim doesn't wanna do a 12-hour flight, right?
0:45:26So he's gonna do like a five-hour flight
0:45:28and then a six-hour flight or whatever.
0:45:30You know, he's gonna break it up.
0:45:31He's a big, powerful executive.
0:45:33All right, so begins in London with some store visits.
0:45:38- Yes.
0:45:39- This is the second time that I've decided
0:45:40not to go to an Apple store on a day
0:45:43and then Tim Cook has appeared in that Apple store
0:45:45later on that day.
0:45:47I did have that time where I was in the store
0:45:49with Johnny Ive though,
0:45:50so that would do for me more than enough.
0:45:52'Cause I don't think I could do
0:45:54the whole selfie thing anyway.
0:45:55I don't think I would be able to pluck up the courage.
0:45:57- And it's a zoo.
0:45:58It's a zoo.
0:45:59- Exactly.
0:46:00- Yeah.
0:46:01- Yeah, I just couldn't, I wouldn't be able to do that.
0:46:02I would be way too embarrassed
0:46:04and I also don't wanna try and muscle my way
0:46:06in the swarm of people, right?
0:46:09He then announced a new partnership
0:46:13with the Southbank Center in London,
0:46:16as part of their racial equity and justice initiative.
0:46:18So spreading it out from outside of the US,
0:46:21it's then now gone.
0:46:23- Tweeting another picture of him in London.
0:46:25- Then he showed off the first images
0:46:28of the new London campus built inside
0:46:30of Battersea Power Station, which looks stunning.
0:46:34- It does.
0:46:35looks so beautiful.
0:46:37I hope I would get to see that at some point in my life,
0:46:40but I don't know.
0:46:41Seems like, actually, weirdly, I feel like more likely
0:46:45for me to see the inside of Apple Park
0:46:49than whatever they're gonna call the Apple London office.
0:46:53- I am sure that there's somebody who listens
0:46:55who's gonna end up working at the Apple office
0:46:58at Battersea and they're gonna--
0:47:00- They're not gonna let me in.
0:47:02- They're gonna let you in.
0:47:03- I don't know.
0:47:04I don't know, we'll see.
0:47:06I might have to do a canary in the coal mine
0:47:09kind of thing there, right?
0:47:10'Cause maybe I wouldn't be able to say I was in,
0:47:12so we can come back on it later on.
0:47:15But the images are beautiful.
0:47:16There was then a, I think really weird,
0:47:18Ted Lasso photo shoot,
0:47:20where they do like a staged image of them
0:47:22in like the executive box.
0:47:24- Let's break it down.
0:47:25So the tweet is, "Go AFC Richmond."
0:47:28In this panel, we have actors from Ted Lasso
0:47:32and people from Apple.
0:47:34- Yeah.
0:47:35- So like Lisa Jackson is there with Tim and-
0:47:39- Deidra, Brian's in that image I think.
0:47:42- Yep, she's there.
0:47:45And I think there's an Apple PR person there too.
0:47:48And then also we have one, two, three, four, five,
0:47:52five members of the Ted Lasso team,
0:47:57including Jason Sudeikis is right behind Tim Cook.
0:48:01But I wanna focus on the right side of this image.
0:48:04(laughing)
0:48:06- Okay.
0:48:06- Where Hannah Waddingham is pumping fists and shouting.
0:48:11And next to her, Eddie Q is pointing
0:48:17with his finger and shouting.
0:48:20And I just wanna say,
0:48:22like I saw some people on the internet are like,
0:48:24you know, okay, well you can tell who the actors are
0:48:26and who the not actors are.
0:48:27- You really can, like you really can't,
0:48:29except for Eddie Q, but you really can, right?
0:48:31- Except, friends, for Hannah Wantingham and Eddie Q,
0:48:36who are sharing the exact same energy.
0:48:42It's amazing.
0:48:43- Well, but this is the thing.
0:48:44I feel like Hannah Wantingham is doing,
0:48:47I think, the best job of trying to portray
0:48:51what should be portrayed in this moment,
0:48:53which is like they're supposed to have scored.
0:48:55But Eddie Q, similar energy that he's bringing
0:48:58to the whole situation.
0:49:00I can also do that.
0:49:01- Yes. - Yeah.
0:49:02- Tim Cook has no acting ability.
0:49:04I think we've seen this in a few different ways.
0:49:06- Hooray! - I don't think it's his thing.
0:49:08And look, this isn't a criticism.
0:49:10He's not trying to be an actor,
0:49:12but at the same time, I don't know why they decided
0:49:15to do this.
0:49:16Like, there's so many other ways they could have done this.
0:49:18- 'Cause obviously there's a photographer down below saying,
0:49:20"All right, we're gonna score a goal.
0:49:21"Goal, yay!
0:49:22"Click, click, click, click, click."
0:49:23Right?
0:49:24That's what they're doing there.
0:49:25- Why couldn't they have just had a picture
0:49:26of them all together, you know?
0:49:28It's also like there's so many things that I'm intrigued about this like why did they do this?
0:49:33This is like breaking down a Renaissance painting isn't it? Like what is this about?
0:49:37What like I mean I have other questions of like why is Deirdre O'Brien and Lisa Jackson there like but not all the time
0:49:43Why is it I mean I think I can kind of guess why Eddy Cue is there right?
0:49:47Yes right
0:49:48But like I but then it's like why then is like Eddy Cue in another image but nobody it's like all these things I don't understand
0:49:55But the bigger thing is like what is going on with Ted Lasso, right?
0:50:00Like this is the thing that's being spoken about like it's late
0:50:05potentially over budget like and like
0:50:08Why Tim Cook and Eddie Q went to go meet with Jason Sudeikis and like right like what's going on here?
0:50:14You know, or is it just like a meet-and-greet but maybe they had a little conversation
0:50:19I think well, I think they were they were they're still in London shooting and they're planning this thing
0:50:23So that it became a you know, you're gonna come and you know, we're gonna we're gonna do some stuff with Tim and Eddie
0:50:28yeah, it's
0:50:31It's something anyway, I just I love that I got more I have more to say about eddy-q. Yeah
0:50:37I'm just gonna leave it there for now
0:50:39When we get to the later hosting I have more to say about eddy-q, but just eddy-q Hannah waddingham. They are
0:50:45Feeling the same vibe in that shot. I love it. So we're still in London at this point
0:50:52Tim meets some female founders,
0:50:55as part of a founder's group in London.
0:50:57He visits with musicians at Apple's Platoon Studios.
0:51:02And I was like, "What is that?"
0:51:04I Googled it.
0:51:05They bought a company in 2018, 2019 called Platoon Studios.
0:51:09And it's about music creation and distribution.
0:51:12Seemed like maybe they just wanted to have some studios.
0:51:15- And there's Nandi Bushell,
0:51:18who people might know from, she's the drummer,
0:51:20who did those YouTube videos with Dave Grohl.
0:51:22So there's a picture of Tim Cook and Lisa Jackson
0:51:27with her at the drum kit.
0:51:28- We then go off to Berlin.
0:51:32- Off to, yes, to Berlin.
0:51:34- For some store visits at first.
0:51:36It always starts with store visits.
0:51:38I wonder if the retail staff know this is going to happen.
0:51:44I bet like the manager knows, right?
0:51:47- I think everybody knows.
0:51:49- You reckon everybody knows?
0:51:50- I think everybody knows.
0:51:52It's like, Tim's gonna be here on this day.
0:51:53They're like, you can't be here.
0:51:55Like not you, Gunter, no.
0:51:59- Oh, like, or maybe just like all of a sudden,
0:52:02for some reason, you're told like,
0:52:04don't worry about coming to work today.
0:52:05Why?
0:52:06Don't worry, you're still paid, but just don't come in.
0:52:08- Don't come in.
0:52:10- Just don't come in.
0:52:11Then a beer with Eddie Q at Oktoberfest.
0:52:14- Okay, yes.
0:52:16And a tweet, nice tweet.
0:52:17(speaking German)
0:52:20So happy to be back in Oktoberfest post.
0:52:26Okay.
0:52:27All right, they got the giant beers.
0:52:29Tim and Eddie on the left side.
0:52:34Eddie's got the lederhosen on.
0:52:35Tim's got his khakis on.
0:52:39This is Tim.
0:52:40- Yes, this is the great part, right?
0:52:42Like everybody else is fully decked out.
0:52:45He has decided, Lederhosen, not for me, right?
0:52:49But he's just got, you should say,
0:52:51some regular jackets on.
0:52:52- Yeah, he's just decided, he's put the uniform on
0:52:57on the top, but on the bottom, he's like,
0:52:59"I'm not wearing that, I'm just gonna wear my khakis."
0:53:01No one will notice.
0:53:02Well, we noticed him, I see you.
0:53:03- It gets cold. - They got their beers.
0:53:04- I've done it.
0:53:05A couple of years ago. - Yeah, sure.
0:53:07- I think it was 2019, - It's October.
0:53:09- Octoberfest. - Ish.
0:53:10- I did the whole thing.
0:53:11Well, I didn't get the jacket,
0:53:13but I had the whole Lederhosen thing,
0:53:14and I had a shirt and all that,
0:53:16and I was ready to go and it was freezing.
0:53:17But I had the long socks, which you also do.
0:53:19So really it's just the knees that get cold.
0:53:22- Yeah.
0:53:23I just want to say again, Eddie Q.
0:53:26Like Tim's got his smile of like smile for the camera, Tim.
0:53:31The people next to him are looking off away from the camera,
0:53:34as is Eddie Q.
0:53:35I think that's interesting that Tim is super locked in
0:53:38to the camera, but there's somebody to the left
0:53:41of the photographer who clearly is also taking a picture.
0:53:44Well, I think there's a bunch of pictures and the one that Tim chose to publish is the one where he's looking at the camera, right?
0:53:49Yeah.
0:53:50Tim doesn't care if Eddie Q's looking.
0:53:53But let me boil this down.
0:53:55Look at Eddie Q.
0:53:57Eddie Q is never not having fun, isn't he?
0:54:00Like, Eddie is having a good time, and I don't know if Eddie drank that whole beer,
0:54:05but I'm gonna wager that Eddie drank more of it than Tim did.
0:54:09Those beers?
0:54:10Hard to hold.
0:54:10Huge glasses, really heavy.
0:54:12Huge, very heavy.
0:54:13Oh no, I get it.
0:54:14I get it, but like, I don't know,
0:54:17Eddie Q, he's having a good time.
0:54:19That's all I'm saying.
0:54:20I love Eddie's energy on this trip in these photos.
0:54:23It's amazing.
0:54:23- I just don't understand how this came to be.
0:54:27I don't know why this came to be.
0:54:28And also, who are those other people?
0:54:30Who are they?
0:54:31Do you know who they are? - I don't know.
0:54:32- Does anybody know who they are?
0:54:34Like, they must be important, right?
0:54:36And like, maybe someone's gonna tell me like,
0:54:38"Hey, Myke, that's the mayor of like Munich."
0:54:41- Of Munich, yeah. - You know what I mean?
0:54:42It's like, okay, but I don't know this.
0:54:45And Tim has not made it a thing.
0:54:46- Marshall of Bavaria, I don't know.
0:54:49- He's not mentioned who they are.
0:54:51- Yeah, yeah, she's the Marshall of Bavaria
0:54:53and he is the mayor of Munich, let's say.
0:54:56- Okay, we'll go with that, I like that.
0:54:59- Tim is having a good time.
0:55:00Myke, I'm just gonna make a proposal now.
0:55:04We may, this may become so legendary
0:55:06that we may have to follow in Tim's and Eddie's shoes.
0:55:09We may have to recreate this ourselves.
0:55:11I would 100% do this.
0:55:14- I'll fly to London, we'll go to various Apple stores,
0:55:18and then yeah, off to Oktoberfest,
0:55:20where you will put on the lederhosen
0:55:23and I will wear khakis.
0:55:25- I feel like, I mean, I don't know Tim Cook personally,
0:55:29and like, I learned some information about him
0:55:33from the After Steve book potentially,
0:55:34we'll talk about that in Upgrade Plus,
0:55:36go to getoctoprefus.com.
0:55:38This doesn't necessarily feel like his vibe.
0:55:42Like I don't really know, I can't,
0:55:44I'm just like fascinated, why is he there?
0:55:47- So the guy next to him, we've just gotten this in
0:55:50from our experts in the Discord,
0:55:53including a friend of the show, Saskia.
0:55:57He's a German TV personality, Kai Flama.
0:56:01- Well, that's only made it worse for me, right?
0:56:05Because that doesn't make any sense.
0:56:06Were they doing an interview?
0:56:07- He's literally a game show host, game show host.
0:56:11- Oh, why then?
0:56:13- I don't know.
0:56:16- All right, well, that's only deepened
0:56:18the curiosity for me.
0:56:20Do they know each other?
0:56:23Are they trying to like do some German TV content?
0:56:26- Maybe so, maybe that's it.
0:56:27Maybe there's a segment where he--
0:56:29- Maybe that's why Eddie's there?
0:56:31- It's we took them, no, I was thinking maybe it's we took,
0:56:34He's doing a TV bit where it's like,
0:56:37Tim Cook visited Oktoberfest
0:56:40and we went along with him or something.
0:56:42- Yeah, maybe it's like a little interview kind of thing.
0:56:45Who knows?
0:56:46- Off the next day, presumably in the morning.
0:56:51So Eddie's not there 'cause he was sleeping it off
0:56:54to an anechoic chamber where I believe a new member
0:56:59of the road trip is revealed.
0:57:03Because I think that's Johnny Srouji.
0:57:06- That is Johnny Srouji.
0:57:07- So whether he was there all along and said,
0:57:10don't take pictures. - This is fascinating.
0:57:11Did they just come and go?
0:57:13- I will catch up with you in Munich.
0:57:15Well, yeah, I'll catch up with you in Munich, Tim.
0:57:18And he's bright eyed and bushy tailed and Tim's like,
0:57:20look, I was at Oktoberfest yesterday.
0:57:24- If you ever had beers of Eddie,
0:57:26'cause like I have beers of Eddie, right?
0:57:27You know what that means. - I held a beer.
0:57:29Well, yeah, so they're in an anechoic chamber,
0:57:31which I've been in in Cupertino actually,
0:57:33during Antennagate, which was really fun.
0:57:35It's the kind of place where you step into it.
0:57:37You don't realize that there's like noises and echoes
0:57:40and things everywhere in your life
0:57:42until you step into an anechoic chamber
0:57:44and it's as if you have lost your hearing
0:57:47because suddenly it is creepily silent.
0:57:49- Maybe Tim had a hangover and could only exist
0:57:53inside of an anechoic chamber that day.
0:57:55- It's the only, this is where Eddie slept last night.
0:57:59(laughing)
0:58:02- Oh, it's amazing.
0:58:03All right.
0:58:04- All right, so this is some cellular testing
0:58:07they were doing there.
0:58:07He then went on to meet some Munich-based photographers.
0:58:12- Okay.
0:58:12- Then did a meet and greet at FC Bayern Munich,
0:58:17where they gave him a replica shirt.
0:58:20- Yeah, they had the surfing, the urban surfing, right?
0:58:23Like that was that part, which is interesting,
0:58:26people surfing at an urban surfing something in Munich.
0:58:31And yes, then off to FC Bayern
0:58:35and Apple Rosenstrasse, our first show,
0:58:39our first store in Germany, he says.
0:58:42- So yeah, offer more stores.
0:58:44Then he heads off to Naples.
0:58:46- Hold, now, now, hold on, before we get there,
0:58:48I have another update from Emma,
0:58:55who has sent a link to Apple boss Tim Cook celebrates
0:58:59with Kai Flama at the Oktoberfest
0:59:01and suddenly tweets in Bavarian story.
0:59:03Tim Cook used his visit to Germany
0:59:06for a detour to the Oktoberfest.
0:59:09Is there anything in there
0:59:10or is this just German clickbait?
0:59:11What is going on?
0:59:13Tim is here.
0:59:14- They're upset that he renounced Lederhosen.
0:59:17- The television presenter had apparently made an appointment
0:59:19with the CEO beforehand.
0:59:20He posted several pictures and videos of it
0:59:22on his Instagram account.
0:59:24But he, yes, Tim renounced lederhosen,
0:59:29and they say he appeared in jeans.
0:59:31Those are khakis. Those aren't jeans.
0:59:32Maybe that's a translation issue.
0:59:34-Yeah, I will say that this is one of those things
0:59:36where I'm, like, really thankful for web translation
0:59:39inside of Safari. -Yep.
0:59:40-Safari still doesn't support as many languages as Chrome does,
0:59:44but I'm happy they added this feature.
0:59:46So, 'cause now we can -- It doesn't really --
0:59:49Basically, this is an article just referencing
0:59:51the fact that this happened. -Yes.
0:59:52-It doesn't really seem to give us any more context
0:59:54as to why it happened, which is the real holy grail.
0:59:56- Other than that the TV presenter
0:59:59also put it on his Instagram.
1:00:01Okay, off to Naples.
1:00:03- Which I'm not surprised.
1:00:04Yeah, off to Naples.
1:00:05- Napoli, Italia.
1:00:06- I'm going to Naples, meet some artists
1:00:08that are using technology for sculpture.
1:00:11I always wonder when I see these things,
1:00:13you see a picture and like a guy's explaining something
1:00:15to Tim Cook, how long do you think they spend together?
1:00:19- Oh, I don't know, 15 minutes.
1:00:21- It's gotta be, right?
1:00:22like a very quick drop in drop out.
1:00:25He then moves on to speaking at the Naples Developer Academy.
1:00:31So Apple set up a bunch of these developer academies
1:00:34around the world.
1:00:35I think Italy was one of the first ones.
1:00:37And he did a meet and greet
1:00:39and looks like he did some kind of panel or conversation.
1:00:41Tim is then given an honorary diploma
1:00:46at the University of Naples Federico II.
1:00:48(laughing)
1:00:50Then it just continues, it's like,
1:00:52"One day I'm getting a beer."
1:00:54Now I'm in a chamber, now I have a diploma.
1:00:56- So I sent you that note about the Ted Lasso thing, right?
1:01:01And then the Oktoberfest thing happened,
1:01:03and I thought, well, this is amazing.
1:01:05And then it was like, but wait for it, wait for it.
1:01:07Boom, honorary degree from Federico II,
1:01:11where he's got his sort of robes on,
1:01:15and the man presenting it to him
1:01:17has sort of like a fur around his neck and a hat and robes,
1:01:21and there's a giant oversized novelty diploma
1:01:25for an honorary degree in innovation
1:01:28and international management.
1:01:30What? (laughs)
1:01:31Amazing.
1:01:32- Tim then met with some Paralympians
1:01:36and is holding a fencing sword.
1:01:39I know they've got a better name than that.
1:01:40- Foil, foil.
1:01:41- And I do wonder, is he holding it for the Paralympian
1:01:44or do you think they did a bit of fencing?
1:01:46I think they said, "Tim, here is a foil."
1:01:50And he said, "Great."
1:01:52And that was it.
1:01:53- For the photo op, right?
1:01:54Let's make it look like that you just engaged
1:01:56in some fencing.
1:01:58He then met with some photographers in Milan,
1:02:02did a store visit in Milan,
1:02:04met with a Milan-based app developer called BendingSpoons,
1:02:10then spent some time with the Apple team in Milan
1:02:16It was like a photo op.
1:02:18And then it came out today
1:02:19that you also had a private audience with the Pope
1:02:22while he was in Italy. - What?
1:02:23- Yeah. - What?
1:02:24- Yeah.
1:02:25There was some images of this release today.
1:02:28This was not something that he tweeted about,
1:02:31which is interesting.
1:02:32No Pope selfie.
1:02:33But this was a point, this was reported on via Reuters
1:02:37that Tim had a private meeting with the Pope.
1:02:41- I mean, we have, there are pictures
1:02:43of Tim shaking the hands of Pope Francis
1:02:47and Tim sitting upright in a probably uncomfortable chair,
1:02:52speaking to the Pope.
1:02:54This isn't the first time Tim Cook
1:02:57has visited Pope Francis.
1:02:58- Is that true?
1:03:00- This is what 9to5Mac says,
1:03:01"Previously paid a visit to the Vatican in January of 2016."
1:03:04But that was a private meeting
1:03:07with no photo op for that one.
1:03:09- I see.
1:03:10I've said this a bunch on this show before,
1:03:11but like Tim Cook is as powerful as a world leader.
1:03:16- Yes.
1:03:18- And like these things, when he does these things,
1:03:21this is what world leaders do.
1:03:23Like, you know, like they go and they do these tours
1:03:27and like they do all these meet and greets
1:03:29and like these follow ups, right?
1:03:30- What role does Eddie Q serve in this parallel
1:03:35of world leader?
1:03:36What's Eddie doing?
1:03:40I mean, he's, you know, he's out there having a good time, you know?
1:03:43He's the secretary of commerce or something.
1:03:44Making deals.
1:03:45Maybe he's over there and he's like shooing Sudeikis along.
1:03:49You know, like, "Come on, Jason, let's finish this off, shall we please?"
1:03:53Could be. "Don't make Tim angry."
1:03:55That's Tim Cook's tour of Europe for now.
1:03:59I don't know he's done. I'm assuming he's done.
1:04:01Yeah, I mean, he's been silent since the pope.
1:04:04Maybe the pope said too many photos on Twitter.
1:04:07Like, "Sorry, pope. Sorry."
1:04:09- Give it a rest will you.
1:04:10- Padre.
1:04:10I, again, I just, you know,
1:04:15I'm following along in real time
1:04:17and each photo is more,
1:04:19well, like a lot of them are standard photos, right?
1:04:21You're like, oh yes, we went to a store, great.
1:04:23And here's some, we met with some developers
1:04:25and here's an inspiring person we met with.
1:04:27I'm like, okay.
1:04:28And now here, now we're holding giant beers
1:04:30with EdiQ at Oktoberfest.
1:04:32What?
1:04:33And so it's like, okay, now we're in Italy.
1:04:36I'm like, oh geez, how long is this tour gonna go?
1:04:38I feel for the guy."
1:04:39And they're like, "Yeah, we met with these people
1:04:41and these people.
1:04:42Oh, and then I got an honorary degree
1:04:44from the guy with the hat and the fur."
1:04:47What?
1:04:48So just very entertaining.
1:04:51So I hope you've enjoyed this retrospective tour
1:04:55of Europe with Tim Cook.
1:04:58It's amazing.
1:04:59Maybe there's an Apple TV+ series in this.
1:05:00It's Tim Cook searching for the pope.
1:05:03- Tim travels.
1:05:04- Tim travels.
1:05:05It's like, maybe like cooking up or something, right?
1:05:10Like, right?
1:05:12It's something-- - European cooking.
1:05:14- Yeah, there's something there, right?
1:05:17Like it's like cooking something.
1:05:19- Tim and Eddie do Europe?
1:05:21- That'll work for me.
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1:07:47It is time for some #AskUpgradeQuestions.
1:07:53Today we start with Cameron who says,
1:07:55"Jason, was there a testing mode
1:07:57for the iPhone satellite communication feature
1:08:00made available to reviewers?"
1:08:02- No, but this is not,
1:08:05'cause the feature's not out yet.
1:08:07I wonder though, if when they turn this feature on
1:08:12in a software update, if there will be something
1:08:17for us to test it as reviewers, right?
1:08:19Something that's allowed so that we're not, you know,
1:08:22doing fake emergency reports.
1:08:24So my guess is that that may happen,
1:08:27that they may actually contact a bunch of reviewers
1:08:29and say, here is how you can test this.
1:08:31- Maybe there's like a period of time
1:08:35where like they know that any of these calls aren't real
1:08:39or whatever.
1:08:40- Right, or there's a certain thing we can do
1:08:42to do a test that is not there for regular people,
1:08:47but we know where it is, we know what to tap or whatever.
1:08:51I think they would be smart to do that, right?
1:08:53When they're rolling it out.
1:08:55Basically that's another story saying Apple activates this.
1:08:57And so as a part of that, they get people,
1:09:00also because you don't want everybody,
1:09:03but you certainly don't want the people
1:09:05who are trying to report on this
1:09:06to clog actual emergency lines.
1:09:09So we'll see, but not yet, right?
1:09:12'Cause that feature's not in there yet.
1:09:14- Right, yeah, I didn't actually know
1:09:17it wasn't available yet.
1:09:18I mean, because this is not available in the UK at all for the foreseeable future, right?
1:09:25Like we don't know how long it will be.
1:09:26I kind of just like had written it off in my mind like I hadn't really thought about
1:09:29the feature.
1:09:30I, because I know that the car crash detection, like that is available now.
1:09:36But so like I kind of just put those two things together in my brain, but obviously it's not
1:09:40available now.
1:09:41Okay.
1:09:42I reckon they will do it, give you some kind of way to do it or you know, because it feels
1:09:48like that's an important part of talking about the feature. You've got to be able to try
1:09:51and use it.
1:09:53Whether they know, like, is every reviewer going to get it or are they going to go to
1:09:57like five reviewers and say, "Here's a thing you can do." I don't know that part, but it
1:10:00would be smart if they did.
1:10:02Yeah, and that might be just like a complexity thing, right, that they might have to just
1:10:07pick a few people and, you know, so they're not making them. I don't know, because it
1:10:11feels like it might be complicated. Who knows? Anyway, Sean asks, "Jason, can you help me
1:10:14choose between the Kobo Clara HD and the Kobo Clara 2? Well these are ebook
1:10:21readers. I don't think I have the Kobo Clara. Oh, okay. It's not one of the ones that I have.
1:10:32It doesn't have buttons. I'm a strong proponent of page turn buttons and
1:10:37that's why I think that if you can get the Kobo Libra, it's better.
1:10:43It's got buttons.
1:10:44Libra 2 is the one that's the current version.
1:10:46They're both pretty close.
1:10:47The only real difference between them is that
1:10:49the Libra 2 has USB-C and the Libra has micro USB.
1:10:54So USB-C is better just because you've got those cables
1:10:59around somewhere and can find them faster.
1:11:02But I would go with that over the Clara
1:11:05even though it's more expensive
1:11:06because I'm a big believer in page turn buttons.
1:11:09I haven't tried the Clara, so I can't actually review it.
1:11:12That's their lower end one.
1:11:14I'm such a believer in physical page turn buttons
1:11:16that I don't really like or want to use those.
1:11:20And I didn't get the,
1:11:22I got the higher end ones when I was reviewing these.
1:11:25So I haven't, I don't have a,
1:11:26my choice there is look at, I mean,
1:11:31I don't know the difference between the HD and the two.
1:11:35My guess is that it's not particularly great.
1:11:37I think the Clara 2 is the one that's current.
1:11:39So get one with buttons.
1:11:43That's essentially my review.
1:11:44I should also say the Kindle software
1:11:49is better than it used to be.
1:11:50The Kindle software is not necessarily as good
1:11:53as the Kobo software,
1:11:54but it used to be a much wider gap than it is now.
1:11:57So you could also look at the Kindle Paperwhite,
1:12:00which is comparable.
1:12:01And the software, like I said,
1:12:05is a lot better than it used to be.
1:12:06So Kindles are also acceptable.
1:12:08the Paperwhite's a pretty good deal.
1:12:10But right now my ebook reader of choice
1:12:13is the Kobo Libra 2.
1:12:15I like the size, I like the price.
1:12:18It's like more than $100 cheaper than the Kindle Oasis,
1:12:23which is the cheapest Kindle
1:12:25that has physical page turn buttons.
1:12:27And does it feel $100 cheaper?
1:12:30Yeah, I mean, it's all plastic,
1:12:31but otherwise it's the same and it's cheaper.
1:12:35So it depends on how much money you wanna pay
1:12:38for one of these, but Libra is my favorite right now.
1:12:40- Tyler asks, I haven't heard it discussed
1:12:44as much as the bigger features,
1:12:46but the sound that the iPhone makes
1:12:48when you ping it from your watch has changed of iOS 16.
1:12:52What do you think of the new sound
1:12:53and do you use the feature often?
1:12:55So this is when you can use the watch
1:12:56and you can have it make the noise, right?
1:12:58You know what I'm talking about?
1:12:59Like when you wanna find your phone?
1:13:01- Yeah, I'm not used to it, but I don't really have an,
1:13:04I don't care beyond that.
1:13:07Hopefully it's more audible.
1:13:09It seems, it's just different.
1:13:12- The new sound is nicer, I think.
1:13:14I found the old sound to be quite like piercing,
1:13:18and the new one I find to be a more pleasant noise
1:13:21than the old one.
1:13:22- I guess the question is, is that what you want?
1:13:25Do you want piercing?
1:13:27- I can give you a demo of what the new one sounds like,
1:13:30which is this. - Okay.
1:13:32(piano music)
1:13:35- It is more pleasant, isn't it?
1:13:36- Yeah, it's much more pleasant.
1:13:38I don't know if it helps you find it more or less,
1:13:41but I expect they've probably done some work on that, right?
1:13:46That like it's, you know, it's probably good enough.
1:13:50But I do use this feature a lot.
1:13:52It is a feature in my house,
1:13:53which if you ever hear this sound,
1:13:55you get to laugh at the other person.
1:13:57So me and Adina have this.
1:13:59- True. - Like, it's funny.
1:14:01'cause if you've heard that noise,
1:14:03something bad's happened, you've looked
1:14:05and you can't find it now.
1:14:06- Can't find it.
1:14:07- And so that there is something funny about that for sure.
1:14:10But yeah, I'm very happy that that feature exists.
1:14:13And I'm happy now that they seem to be making more devices.
1:14:18So we would talk, me and Jason
1:14:19would talk about this before the show.
1:14:21We both haven't been able to use AirPods Pro yet.
1:14:24Like I think we'll probably have something to say
1:14:26about those next week.
1:14:27Mine, I think have arrived today.
1:14:29I haven't at home, so I haven't been able to use them yet.
1:14:33But I'm happy they're adding more functionality
1:14:37to the case, so right, the case is findable.
1:14:40More findable than it was before.
1:14:42'Cause like just over the weekend,
1:14:43I had to, I couldn't find my AirPods.
1:14:45And I'd left them in my trouser pocket
1:14:48and put my trousers in the laundry basket,
1:14:49which is why I couldn't find them.
1:14:51And I was using the old AirPods Pro
1:14:55kind of like finding system, which is with Bluetooth.
1:14:57And it's not very good.
1:14:59I'm like walking around the whole house
1:15:01until it says it's near, but that's all it can tell me.
1:15:04It's just like, hey, it's near.
1:15:06But now I'm expecting it to be better.
1:15:07Plus I could have it make noise,
1:15:09which I'm actually pretty excited about the new case.
1:15:11So that'd be cool.
1:15:12- Yeah, next week we'll have more to say
1:15:15about those, I suspect.
1:15:16- Ryan's asking a question,
1:15:18which I don't have an answer for,
1:15:20but I actually do need this answer.
1:15:22So I'm gonna ask it and then maybe you
1:15:24or another Upgrading can help me.
1:15:27Ryan asks why does the Apple Watch have a separate set of alarms from the iPhone? I
1:15:33like to use Siri to set the alarms, but I keep getting different results based on whether
1:15:37I spoke to my phone or my watch. Is there any way I can force them to be in sync?
1:15:43Now the one thing I'll add to this Jason, I believe that the Apple Watch always alerts
1:15:50you to an iPhone alarm, but it's not the other way around. And this is the same with
1:15:54timers too. Like if you set a timer on the iPhone it will go off on the iPhone and your
1:15:59watch. You set a timer on the watch it just goes off on your watch. Now, I mean one of
1:16:05the reasons I noticed that recently is I wish that the live activity would show up on my
1:16:08iPhone if I set it on my watch as a timer. Now the reason I want to know the answer to
1:16:14this question is Adina just got a Series 8 and is now wearing it at night so she can
1:16:20do the temperature stuff, right? So she can like be checking her temperature because that's
1:16:24That's one of the features you have to wear at night.
1:16:27But now she is annoyed about the way
1:16:28that her alarm is going off.
1:16:30And it seems like some mornings she's telling me
1:16:32that it's just going off on her wrist,
1:16:33but she'd like it to go off on the phone.
1:16:35And so basically I want to know,
1:16:37does anybody know of a way to get them both to go off,
1:16:40the watch and the phone?
1:16:43Do you know, have any idea about this?
1:16:44I never have worn mine to sleep.
1:16:46- So I don't know about the sleep tracking and the syncing.
1:16:51My guess is that Apple, and I think they're right here,
1:16:55but the idea is if I set an alarm on my watch,
1:17:00I don't expect my phone to make noise, right?
1:17:06I don't expect that.
1:17:07I expect it to just be my watch.
1:17:10It's interesting the other way, right?
1:17:13I think the idea there is that your watch is always with you
1:17:15so if you're not near your phone and the alarm goes off,
1:17:18the watch will warn you that there's an alarm happening
1:17:22back on your phone.
1:17:23And I think that's the philosophy there, right?
1:17:26I don't know about being able to choose
1:17:29to sync them back and forth,
1:17:31but like, I think if anything you said,
1:17:33anything you said on the Apple Watch
1:17:35stays on the Apple Watch,
1:17:38I think is the just by default, that's the idea there.
1:17:41- Yeah, we've been having some questions in my house
1:17:45that have yet to be answered yet
1:17:46as to whether the phone is also going off.
1:17:49This is, you know, like one of the things
1:17:50where it's like, you're just not 100% sure.
1:17:52So I think we need to be doing some more testing
1:17:56on that one, I think.
1:17:57And Sims asks, are there any current Macs
1:18:01you wish were available of a different Apple Silicon chip?
1:18:04- Hmm, with a different Apple Silicon chip.
1:18:08- So this can be one that doesn't currently have one,
1:18:11of which there aren't many now,
1:18:13or there is a Mac already has an Apple Silicon chip in it,
1:18:17but you would like it to have something other
1:18:19than what it currently has.
1:18:20- Well, the glaring one is that the M1 iMac
1:18:23doesn't come in a higher end M1 chip.
1:18:25- That's what I have, an iMac with a Pro chip.
1:18:28That's what I would like to see.
1:18:29- I think that's the big one.
1:18:31And then obviously a Mac Mini for the same reason.
1:18:35Like I really wish there was a desktop Mac
1:18:38that had the M1 Pro in it, right?
1:18:41because like the Mac Studio has the Macs or the Ultra.
1:18:45And then the iMac and the Mac Mini have the M1,
1:18:49but there's nothing in that middle ground of the Pro,
1:18:54which would be nice to have.
1:18:56I'm hoping that this will get rectified this month, but.
1:19:01- Ah, I think next year, right?
1:19:03I feel like before the iMac.
1:19:05- Yeah, but the Mac Mini.
1:19:06- Oh, sorry, the Mac Mini, yes.
1:19:08Could do. - Right?
1:19:09- Right, could do.
1:19:10We'll see. But that was my thinking is that they'll replace that Intel Mac Mini that's still kicking around with a version with a more robust chip in it. But we'll see. I don't know.
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1:20:02We'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
1:20:06Goodbye, everybody.
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