426: Splash Hit!
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- From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 426.
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Today's show is brought to you by DoorDash,
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ZokDok, Rogue Amoeba, and New Relic.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow.
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- Hi, Myke, are you home now?
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- Oh, good, that's good.
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Welcome back. - That's good.
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The time in the evening, you know, it's not so good.
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I liked recording it that one time we did it in the morning.
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You know, that was nice.
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I liked doing that. - Yeah.
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- You know, back in the evening again.
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And I have a #snowtalk question.
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It comes from Will.
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Will wants to know, Jason,
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is there a more beautiful baseball park, ballpark,
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than Oracle Park?
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I'm not even a Giants fan,
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but I'll watch Giants home games
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just to see the baseball on the waterfront.
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- Hey, Will.
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I think you're right,
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although it's very hard for me to judge
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'cause that's the ballpark I've been to the most
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of any ballpark.
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But I would say it's my favorite.
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Is there a more beautiful ballpark than Oracle Park?
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I will recommend a couple.
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PNC Park in Pittsburgh is beautiful.
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And also on the water, it's on the river in Pittsburgh.
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And Petco Park in San Diego is great.
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It doesn't have the water view,
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but it's right there on the water and San Diego is awesome.
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So those are my other, I'd say two favorites right now.
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There are lots of nice ballparks
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and lots of kind of boring ballparks,
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but it used to be that baseball parks were bad
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and then they build a bunch of good ones.
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So that's good if you're a baseball fan wherever you live,
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because I think almost, you know, sorry Oakland.
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Sorry Tampa, but otherwise everybody's doing great.
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- I don't know the Oakland and Tampa violence, but.
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Tampa has a dome that is was made a long time ago and so you're watching baseball inside
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on with weird catwalks and stuff like that and it's generally considered bad and Oakland
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it's just very old and they took a good stadium and they ruined it and now they're not maintaining
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it because they want a new stadium so it's getting progressively worse it's a sad situation
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and I feel for the fans of Oakland because their owners are terrible yeah there's a little
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baseball talk there Myke I know you I know you're you know getting into American sports
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now. I've only seen a MLB game at Citi Field. That's where I went to, which is the Mets
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game. I haven't been to Citi Field. I went to the old Shea Stadium, but I have not been
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to Citi Field yet. I went to both of the New York stadiums and then they tore them down
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and replaced them with new ones that I haven't been to, so I guess I'm gonna have to go back
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to New York sometime. Yeah, very helpful to replace those. I was looking at some pictures
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of Oracle Park today when I was picking this question. And I thought it did look very nice.
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I've driven past it. I've been in that area a bunch of times in San Francisco. And that
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looks like a great place to watch a baseball game, I will say.
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Yeah, it's beautiful.
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If they hit a home run, could they hit it into the water? Or is that too far?
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It's called a splash hit, Myke. And yes, they've hit a couple hundred in there, yeah.
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Yes, splash hit?
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Wow, it's got its own name.
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It does. There's a little sign that counts how many the Giants have hit. It's at like
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96 or something now, and then the opposing team doesn't count for that, but they've also
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hit about that many, so like I said, it's about 200.
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So, splash hits only occur at Oracle Park?
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Uh, no, although they occur most often at Oracle Park, and it's got to be on the fly.
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You can also bounce it in.
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It could occur anywhere if you hit it hard enough.
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Hard enough, yeah. You could just need the nearest body of water. However, most bodies
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of water are not that close. Did they do it in Cincinnati or maybe it was in Pittsburgh?
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There's one place where I saw that they actually did do it where it hit into the river and
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that was very impressive because that's extremely hard to do there. It's kind of hard. You got
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to be a left-handed hitter basically and hit it right down the line to get it out into
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the water on the fly into McCovey Cove which is the name of the little water out there.
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they've done it yeah a couple hundred times it's pretty cool. Baseball fans are
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gonna be very happy with today's episode because I also have a baseball relay to
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ask upgrade for you later on. It's like Christmas morning, fantastic. I love it.
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I mean or opening day I guess. It's more like opening day I feel like. Okay that is the
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Christmas morning of baseball. Open the gate, roll out the baseballs. Here we go.
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That's what everybody does. If you would like to send in a question for us to open a future
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episode of upgrade just send out a tweet with the hashtag #snailtalk or use
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question marks and I'll talk in the relay FM members discord. And a little real
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time follow-up a listener Chris pointing out that there is a swimming pool outside
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the the fence in Arizona. Okay. That's not as exciting to hit it into a swimming
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pool but it is kind of fun to hit the ball into the swimming pool and they do
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hit home runs into the swimming pool there. There you go. You know just baseball's
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landing in water it's great. Splash hit. Yep. Oh this will be the last time
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this month that we encourage Upgradients to go to donate to St. Jude Children's
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Research Hospital as we are fast approaching the end of September.
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Oh yeah. I am absolutely thrilled to say that we have met and exceeded our goal
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that we set for ourselves this year which was just shy of $495,000.
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As we record this episode we have raised $514,785 for the kids of St. Jude.
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What that means Jason is over the last four years the relay FM community has
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come together and raised over two million dollars now for the kids of St.
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Jude which is an absolutely incredible thing and it's a number that I struggle
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to conceive of at this point you know it's like it's such a large number like
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two million dollars so incredible and I am I am and we are we all are so
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thankful for the support of our listeners to raise these incredible
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amounts of money for the kids of St. Jude and this is for a very incredibly
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good cause because St. Jude Children's Research Hospital has a simple mission
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which is finding cures and saving children because cancer kills more
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children under the age of 14 than any other disease. It is a horrible thing and
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with the work of St. Jude they are both treating children who have these
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life threatening diseases but also developing research and developing trials and cures to
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tackle childhood cancer. For example in 2021 they created a clinical trial which reported
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more than 20 point improvement in survival rates for high risk neuroblastoma, the second
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most common solid tumour in children, using an antibody produced at St Jude and then share
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this research of the whole world.
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In Childhood Cancer Awareness Month it is an opportunity in September for us to come
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together to fight against childhood cancer because together we can make a big impact.
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So I will still urge you to go to stgeo.org/relay where you can donate.
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If you donate $60 or more you will receive a digital bundle which has a wallpaper, a
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Mac OS screensaver pack wonderfully created by Mr James Thompson of Peacock fame which
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is just unbelievable.
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I can't wait for people to get these.
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I think it will just be a couple of weeks now and people will start getting the Mac
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OS screensaver.
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I actually want to on Friday me and Steven are going to be doing a final total celebration
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stream so it's going to be on Friday September 30th at 12pm US Eastern time.
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We're going to hang out and play some games and close the fundraising campaign.
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We've never done this before.
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Usually we just close it and celebrate in like a Discord chat between us and the people
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at St. Jude but we actually did say we're going to close it and announce the final total.
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On that stream I'm going to show the screensaver.
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So if you've been wanting to see what it looks like in all of its incredible glory,
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I'm gonna find a way to show some of it on the, with some, you know, really good DRM.
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I don't know how I'm gonna do that, you know, DRM it.
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I basically, I'm just gonna show you what my laptop looks like running on.
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So I want people to see it, but people are gonna freak out when they see this thing,
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it's so good.
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All right, Myke, I direct your attention to the live Relay FM page of top donors to see
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see my official on-air $1,000 donation.
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- Woo, look at Jason's snow. - TV relay campaign.
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Did it just now.
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Been waiting, been biding my time.
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I was traveling and was not able to sneak in there
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and put you over any of your milestones.
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So I just decided I'm doing it on upgrade.
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- Doing it live.
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- So there it is.
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I can't get high up on the leaderboard,
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but I can push it up by a thousand.
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So now $453,713, amazing.
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- That's on the relay campaign.
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So this is like that whole thing,
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but then including all of the sub campaigns,
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which people set up throughout the month,
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which is incredible.
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The hundreds of people that set up their own campaigns.
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That's how we have gotten to 515,000.
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It's something that like didn't know
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how that was gonna go this year
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and could not be more thrilled at the many listeners.
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But I'm giving, I'm not doing one of those campaigns.
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I'm just doing it straight into Relay FM.
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- So we're now at $515,785.
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- You're welcome.
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- So, stgeo.org/relay and don't forget to join us
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on Friday, September 30th at 12 p.m. U of C Eastern time.
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We'll hang out, play some games
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and we'll close the fundraising campaign together.
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Thank you so much to everybody
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for the support throughout the month.
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Apple Watch Ultra, I wanted to do a bit of follow out
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to this, you don't have one, right?
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- I do not, alas.
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- And I don't have one, Steven has one,
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'cause he bought one, and we're gonna talk about that
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on Connected this week.
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So I don't think, I was not planning on bringing it up
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on today's episode, 'cause I don't have any opinions.
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I still wanna go to an Apple store and try one on,
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but I'm not, you know, it's not gonna be a thing
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that I think we're gonna talk about
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in a lot of detail on the show, so.
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- Yeah, they sent me a Series 8, which is weird,
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'cause the Series 8, there's almost nothing to say about it.
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- And I would love to try out the Ultra,
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because I think it's the interesting product, right?
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But I'm looking forward to hearing
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what Steven's got to say about it.
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- It's been really interesting as people are getting them,
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'cause they started arriving on Friday, right?
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And I feel like I was seeing way more people
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on like Twitter and Instagram and stuff with it
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than I was expecting.
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Like it really feels like, and I get it,
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like people like they want it,
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it's the new big fancy watch.
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Like people that I know that aren't like rock climbers
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in my life, you know, getting one of these things.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- It looks cool.
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- All the rock climbers in your life.
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- The thing that I, from the images that I've seen,
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the thing that seems visually most interesting to me
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is the flat screen.
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Like there's something about that that looks way cooler
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than I was expecting.
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probably just 'cause it's different.
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- Yeah, I mean, it's the biggest design change
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to an Apple Watch, right?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I'm curious about it.
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I've heard some people report that the problem is
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that there's no guard on the action button,
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so you can hit the action button by mistake a lot.
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- Interesting. - It's kind of funny.
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They guarded the other buttons, but not that one.
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But I don't know, I'm curious.
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I think the action button's very interesting
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in terms of software and user interface
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in a way that we haven't really had before,
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and I wonder, as we've speculated about,
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if it might be coming to the rest of the Apple Watches
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at some point, have an extra button,
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but that they did it here first.
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But we'll see how useful it actually is
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and how good it is and how software is, you know,
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built to take advantage of it.
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- Got some follow up for you.
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- Okay. - On my iPhone setup.
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- Lasted with it a few more days after we spoke.
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You know, if you remember, I had a very bad experience
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with transferring my iPhone.
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I don't know exactly what happened.
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I did the device-to-device transfer,
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and it was really bad, and I wasn't signed
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into any applications, really.
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And a bunch of settings and apps got all messed up.
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I actually heard from a bunch of upgradients
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who had similarly frustrating iPhone transfers.
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Also, those that went perfect.
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Really, I feel like this is one of those things
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that's like a luck of the draw.
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But I think what I have learned from this experience
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is if it doesn't work, do it again, right?
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Which is what you recommended I do,
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and I did it in the end.
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I got home from my travels,
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and I had some issues with my eSIM,
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which was nothing to do with the iPhone being from America.
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I was having some issues with my carrier.
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My carrier's not ready for the eSIM at large, I feel like.
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People can have them now,
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but the idea of everybody just all of a sudden needing eSIMs
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it's not needed here, right?
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So there was just something weird on my account
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where like it just, it wouldn't load the ability
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for me to change the eSIM over.
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And I spoke to them and they were like,
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give us a couple of days.
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And then like three or four days later, it worked.
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And I did the transfer and it went flawlessly.
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But I think they need, maybe it was just like turned off
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on my account or something.
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I don't know why, like, oh, it just was never enabled.
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This is a plan I've had for like 10 years.
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So, you know, who knows?
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At some point they just never did it, right?
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That actually, by the way, makes today
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my first full day of using the 14 Pro Max
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as my actual phone phone.
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'Cause I just got the transfer done yesterday.
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But anyway, so I did that,
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but I decided to go the Jason Snow route
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and I restored again from iCloud.
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I just started over and it worked perfectly, basically.
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Within the range of what I would expect, right?
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Some apps I had to sign into again,
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which you always do, right?
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Like all of my Slacks get signed out of,
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which might be because I'm on the Slack page, I don't know,
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but I get signed out of everything.
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And I have to re-authenticate a bunch of things,
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but it was way within the remit that I expected.
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Also when I signed into some applications again,
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it wasn't like, "Oh, hi, we've never heard of you before,"
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right, which is what I was getting
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from a lot of my applications.
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- Right, because that data hadn't synced, right?
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That data was not, because you had an imperfect restore
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that was missing data.
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And, well, that's good.
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My people swear by the device-device transfer,
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and I think that there are reasons why it's probably good,
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but the fact is it can fail,
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and then you're left with an impartial,
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or not impartial, an imperfect restore, a partial restore,
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and that's not good.
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And it also locks up both devices for a very long time.
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And that's why I prefer the iCloud restore.
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And the argument is yes,
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but the device to device restore is a more perfect thing
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where you don't have to log in.
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Like I get it.
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I guess what I would say is all of the restorers
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have some stuff where you're gonna have to re-log in, right?
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You can't escape all of it.
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Some stuff you have to re-log in anyway.
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And I don't find the iCloud restore to be
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that much more onerous than the regular restore.
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And the advantage of the iCloud restore is
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your devices are yours again very quickly,
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even though they're not entirely usable right away
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because they're still restoring over iCloud,
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they're back in a usable state
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where you could make a phone call or something
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if you need to, or set up some settings.
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So, yeah, and that's why I prefer the iCloud restore.
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- Yeah, I hope I can remember,
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or maybe Upgradients can remind me.
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iCloud has worked well for me every other time
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as it did this time, I'm just gonna do that.
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Because what I like about the iCloud restore is,
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within 15 minutes, I can at least start poking around.
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- Exactly, that's one of the great things about it
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is that you're not left sort of with this.
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So, Julian did, to his new phone,
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he did the device to device restore.
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And it was like five hours and it still said it was,
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it got stuck on like three hours remaining
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and it didn't change, which was really annoying.
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And we went out to dinner and we came back
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and was still doing it.
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And I basically, I forget what I did
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to sort of jog it into action, but it came back
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and I think it was actually done
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and it had hung up on the end
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because it didn't look like he was missing anything.
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But it was, you know, he was without his old phone
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and his new phone for hours while that was going on.
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And that's, I mean, I don't like it.
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I don't like that approach.
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I get why people might do it.
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And then there's the iTunes backup approach
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which requires you to do an iTunes backup
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which I'm not a fan of that either.
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So it's like-
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- Is it in the finder now?
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- It is in the finder.
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Yeah, well, yeah.
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'Cause there's no iTunes anymore, at least on the Mac.
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So yeah, it's a, and that is, can be kind of shaky.
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Kind of, there are a lot of quirks there.
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Again, it's not that it doesn't work because if it works,
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it will do a full restore and that's great,
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but there are lots of cases where it doesn't work.
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- Yeah, I'm happy now I'm all set up again
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and I'm never going to doubt you or iCloud ever again.
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- Okay, thank you.
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I'm glad we got there.
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I have some follow-up about my Apple Watch,
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which I said last week, I was like,
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"Oh, my Apple Watch is fine.
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It just came right over, bloop, bloop, no problem."
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And then I said,
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but I think I said I had a connectivity issue
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where it was like,
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"Well, why is it not connecting to cellular?"
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And it was sporadically not connecting to cellular
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and that was weird.
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It turns out that what also happened is I was actually in a zombie Apple Watch state where it actually wasn't a successful transfer and it ended up in the famous, I know Marco mentioned this on ATP last week, the famous, the Apple Watch thinks it's fine, but no phones will admit to being connected to it.
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My old phone isn't connected to it.
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My new phone is like, would you like to set up an Apple watch?
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And I'm like, well, wait a second.
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I thought I transferred my Apple watch over here.
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Ah, and so I had to reset my Apple watch and repair it and restore it from a backup.
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That was from the day I got the phone.
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And, uh, then it went back and, and it works fine now, more or less like there
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were some, again, some defaults that got changed where I'd be like, oh yes, please.
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put the apps in a list and you know I don't want to get a notification for this and you
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need to add these apps back to the watch and that's not my favorite but I got there but
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anyway my successful Apple Watch transfer was actually not successful it also ended
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up in this weird in-between state and I had to reset it which was not the best.
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It was definitely foreshadowing on last week's episode right when you were like sometimes
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it doesn't see the phone but it seems fine I guess in those moments it's just connected
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to Wi-Fi right?
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The moment that the jig was up is when I was like,
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"I need to adjust the setting."
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"Oh, that's on the Apple Watch app on the iPhone.
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"I guess I need to open that up."
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And I opened it up and it said,
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"Hey, welcome to Apple Watch.
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"Would you like to add an Apple Watch?"
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And I thought, "Oh no, like, no, no, you should know.
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"We did this, we talked about this."
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And it was, and that was when I realized
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that the whole thing was a lie.
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My Apple Watch was acting cool,
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but it actually had no idea what it was doing,
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and I had to restore.
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It's time for a rumor round up Jason Snow.
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Oh great, bring it on.
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So I have an iPhone 14 demand update from a friend of the show Ming-Chi Kuo.
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Ming-Chi Kuo posted this on Medium, so it's like a post which you can see on Medium because
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he does have a Medium page as well as a Twitter account now, which I like.
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I love that Ming-Chi Kuo was like, "Okay, I'm tired of people getting my subscription
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analyst reports in Chinese to my clients and translating them into English and reporting
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them in the press. So I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to put things out there
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and including in English on my Medium blog and my Twitter account. Great. It's great.
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Just go to the source.
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And the two kind of interesting pieces of information that me and you were talking about,
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'cause you sent me this as well.
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One is that iPhone 14 Pro models
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will account for 60 to 65% of shipments in H2 of 2022.
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And this is based on, so Apple's done it's,
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you know, they've spoken to the suppliers
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and rejigged their supply chain for like,
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what models will be manufactured
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in larger quantities and stuff, right?
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So they kind of forecast out.
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And so now that they've done that
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and they've made the changes to the supply chain,
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This is what Meechi Kua will now expect that 60 to 65% of iPhone shipments will be the
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pro models of some description with the 14 Pro Max accounting for 30 to 35% of total
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iPhone 14 shipments across all of the iPhone 14 models that are currently available.
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I would guess because there's no way you could know about the Plus because Apple don't
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know about that yet.
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Can you even pre-order the Plus yet?
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I don't think so, right?
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I don't know.
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- I think that starts in October.
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I don't know if it starts shipping in October.
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I don't think you can pre-order it yet either.
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But anyway, all this to say,
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the iPhone 14 Pro Max is the most popular model right now.
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That doesn't surprise me, right?
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Does it surprise you?
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- A little bit, but again, I think the lesson is
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that never bet against big phones, right?
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Like never, they're not, big phones are not,
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we think of them or we could think of them as an outlier,
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that it's the other side of the bell curve.
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that's not the case, that they are very popular.
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And so the idea that the 14 Pro Max is the most popular one,
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those of us who don't like big phones
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need to be comfortable with the fact that
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the general rule is that the bigger the phone,
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the more people like it.
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And up to a point beyond which Apple has not gone.
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So it's not surprising when you think about it that way.
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I think the one caveat I would put in here
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is this is the second half of this year.
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And obviously there are huge sales spikes
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in the second half when the new iPhones come out.
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I think though, people who buy iPhones in this period
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from now to the end of the year tend to be
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a little more hardcore as iPhone buyers.
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And so I don't wanna overstate it,
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but I suspect that the mix is leaning
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toward the most expensive products once they're released,
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because the people who are super into it are buying them then.
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Whereas my guess is that the mix is really different in April,
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right, when it's not anybody who's like,
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"Oh, the new iPhone, I got to get it."
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It's literally somebody who says, "Oh, yeah, my iPhone broke.
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I guess I need to go get a new iPhone."
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And it's April, so here I am at the Apple Store in April.
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-But this is the time where they sell the most iPhones, though, right?
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-For sure, for sure.
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I mean, there's a spike because it's new iPhones,
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and the new iPhone is the biggest motivator,
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but they do continue to sell them.
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And I think the mix changes,
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I suspect the mix changes over time.
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- Oh, I have no doubt.
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- But right now, they sell the most.
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And right now, or just about right now, right?
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Like they sell the most in the holiday quarter,
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which we're not quite in, I think,
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but we're getting very close.
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Their quarters don't exactly line up to months,
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but they're pretty close.
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And so they're getting the next three months, right?
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They sell the most.
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And even then, I think the mix is probably
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a little bit different, but regardless,
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the fact is the Pro, their strategy of segmenting
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these things into Pro and non-Pro,
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it seems to be working in the sense that the Pro
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is not some isolated, strange product.
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Their most expensive base model is their most popular phone.
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That's not an accident.
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- Just as a real-time follow-up,
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you can order the Plus right now.
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- All right. - And it starts shipping
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- You'll get it when you get it.
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looking at it now on the Apple.com website.
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It says delivers October 7th.
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So that was the date.
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So you can still order one now it seems
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and it will still arrive on the day they expect it.
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- Well, great.
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- I never really know what to think particularly
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about just general analyst statements,
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but I want to bring this one up now
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'cause I just thought it was interesting.
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JP Morgan, 'cause like Ming-Chi Kuo
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seems to have sources that I can tie my head around,
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like I can wrap my head around, right?
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I feel like I can tie them together.
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It's known that he's very connected in the supply chain
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and he talks about that in that way.
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But then when we talk about JP Morgan analysts,
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are they, is this connected to anything
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or is it just because they think?
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Like, I don't know, right?
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I don't know, but anyway.
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- It's, right, it would depend on the analyst
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and it would depend on their track record
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and I would say we don't know.
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- The presumption here is that they have sources,
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but who knows if they actually have sources.
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- And what I also like about Ming-Chi Kuo
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is it's a person, right?
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I can be like, that's what Ming-Chi Kuo said,
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but JP Morgan is like, that's not a person.
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You know what I mean? - No.
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- There probably was a JP Morgan at some point.
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- There was? - But that's not the person
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who's talking about iPhones. - He's not around anymore.
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- JP Morgan are expecting that by 2025,
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25% of iPhone production will be in India,
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with 5% of iPhone 14s being made in India
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by the end of 2022.
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They go on to say that they expect that this 25% figure
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will actually end up being the same for other product lines
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that Apple makes as they continue to want to diversify
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where the products are made.
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But like most of this stuff is being made in China,
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not entirely, but most, but to the level of 25%
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across kind of the whole stuff that they make,
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that is a big change.
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with the caveat being, I think it's an interesting caveat,
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they are still likely to be mostly produced,
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if not wholly produced by Foxconn owned factories in India.
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- So I'm still not sure how diversified that is,
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like, 'cause people are talking about like, you know,
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what we spoke about in the show before in the past,
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one of Apple's biggest risks
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that all of their products are made in China
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and if they end up having issues with China,
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or if there's issues between
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the Chinese and American governments,
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it could cause a problem for Apple's business.
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but Foxconn is a Chinese company.
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So is that still an issue for them?
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I don't know, but I think it is just good business
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for them to be moving their product around
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a little bit more than the way it is being done right now,
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if they can do it.
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- There's a bunch of things going on here, right?
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There's the conversation about diversifying Apple
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because it's so tied into China.
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And although these factories are in India,
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their contractor is a Chinese company.
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However, the other part of this is geographic diversity.
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It's the idea that,
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remember when they couldn't make Macs for a while?
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Because all the Macs were being assembled
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in one region of China?
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Like that's part of it too.
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So I think that what's going on here is,
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both of those things is,
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let's not have everything happen in one country.
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But also let's not have everything happen in one region,
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which is why I wonder about Apple
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being more geographically diverse within China
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for some of its products, just to kind of keep that separate.
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But I think the bigger drive is also to just get
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other stuff made in other places
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so that if anything happens, right,
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they've got a little bit being made in different places.
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This is a long process and difficult one and complicated,
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and we'll see what they're doing.
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But it's interesting to see that they're trying
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to get some iPhone production
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into some other parts of the world.
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I have a mini roundup of what Mark Gurman's newsletter
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spoke about this week.
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As this is like the bar, you know,
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like if you imagine the rumor roundup,
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it like occurs within us like a Western town.
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The power on newsletter is like a saloon inside of the town
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because it's its own thing, right?
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- Oh, I wanna make a note of something I said there
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that wasn't quite right.
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Foxconn technically is Taiwanese,
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but they are the largest employer, private employer,
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in the People's Republic of China.
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So it's not a Chinese company, it's a Taiwanese company,
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but it's got lots of employees in China.
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So it's, you know, again, I think, I mean,
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there's the question of like, what happens
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if something happens between China and Taiwan?
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But the idea here is it's--
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- That is a good clarification to make.
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- It is, yes.
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It's a company based in Taiwan,
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but a huge employer in China and also in other places.
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but they also, they trade in China as a Chinese company
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and in Taiwan as a Taiwanese company, so.
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- Yeah, a lot of interlinking still going on here,
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but the larger, I think the larger point is
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that assembling things in a factory in India has,
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you know, it's spreading it out a little bit.
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That's the larger point.
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- Yeah, it's like Foxconn also have,
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they're building US places,
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they have, and they have places in Mexico, Malaysia, Brazil.
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- Nevertheless, I think that the issue,
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what I was getting, I think kind of remains of like--
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- Yes, oh, I agree.
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- I'm assuming that the People's Republic of China
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could put a lot of pressure on Foxconn if they wanted to.
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- And you know, Apple talks about,
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like obviously this is politically fraught
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and you don't wanna anger China
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and make it seem like Apple is abandoning China
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or hedging against China,
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but there are other ways to pitch this.
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One is the geographic diversity.
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One is the fact that there are countries
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like Brazil and India that want you to build the products
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in their countries, otherwise there's a big tariff.
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And that gives you some rationale for it.
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I feel like there's all sorts of cover that you can have
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for increasing where you make your stuff across the world
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that makes it seem less like you're hedging against China
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or imagining a scenario where you're not building things
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in China while that actually sort of is happening
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behind the scenes by couching it in other ways.
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It's something to just watch.
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This is, yeah, super complex stuff and a tough raffle.
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And I'd imagine a lot of the stuff that's being built
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in China is full of components that are literally
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just being shipped from, or from in India,
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shipped from China to India to work on it.
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So it's not like it's a free supply chain by any means,
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but it's something.
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All right, let's go into the saloon.
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- We're going back into the power on saloon.
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So, according to Mark Gurman,
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he was predicting there will be no October event.
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Mark expects that the rest of this year's product releases
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will occur via press release,
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with the main focus still being on the Mac and the iPad.
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- Yeah, how about that?
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I mean, wraps up the upgrade draft championship
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for you this year, if that's the case.
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- I had not considered that.
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I am now in full agreement with Mark
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that this should be press releases only.
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- So, you know, I read his newsletter
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as being a little more equivocal than that,
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but it definitely was one of these kind of like,
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I don't see how this could be an event.
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I see how this could be an event,
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because again, a lot of these events are just a video,
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but the truth is these could be press releases,
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They could be briefings for press in advance of video.
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- Let me get it out, I'll read the full quote.
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Let me get it here, 'cause I think these things,
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they kind of get spoken about backwards
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and forwards a little bit.
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So I've been thinking a lot lately
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about Apple's remaining product releases 2022,
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and he lists them, blah, blah, blah.
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None of these new products is a major departure for Apple.
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They'll get some processifications
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and a chip that was already announced
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at a formal event in June.
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That has me thinking, does Apple really have enough here
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to make it worth pulling together
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another highly polished launch event?
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It seems unlikely.
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Apple may ultimately end up feeling differently,
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but I think the company as of now
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is more likely to release its remaining 2022 products
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via press releases, updates to its website,
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and briefings to select members of the press,
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rather than via a major iPhone style keynote.
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- Now, everything he says there is entirely reasonable.
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However, I will say, at no point in there
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does he say somebody at Apple
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suggested any of that is true.
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Now, one of the games that one can play
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is to get something inside
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that they're not allowed to say came from inside.
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And it's possible that what he's doing here
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is reasoning out loud, but his reasoning is underlied
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by something he knows but can't say, right?
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Like the idea that like somebody says,
00:36:39
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well, look, you know, this can't be coming from Apple,
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but I don't think it's gonna happen.
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And he's like, oh, well, that informs my thought
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that it's not gonna happen.
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But if you take it on its surface,
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it's Mark spitballing about what he thinks about this event.
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I think he's got a point, right?
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Which is that if it's Mac Mini,
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and really it's the laptops.
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And if it's M2 versions of the laptops,
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but what they really are is just faster M2 Pro
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and Macs versions of the existing laptops
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and an iPad update,
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and they're all kind of updates of existing products.
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Is there an event there?
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If that's all there is, I think it's a good question.
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If there's, you know, there could be,
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MacBook Pro is not, you know, not to be sneezed at,
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but in the past,
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has released MacBook Pros with no events. They did the big 16-inch MacBook Pro release with
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no event. So it could be that they do this via briefings and press releases,
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or briefings and a video presentation, right? Like, they could do that. So I just want to say,
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though, that Mark Gurman thought about it, and I think analyzing what is known based on a lot of
00:37:58
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of his reporting and other people's reporting,
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it does feel a little bit scant for an October event,
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but what he's not reporting is that his sources
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inside Apple say they're not doing an October event.
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So that's one of those things where it's like,
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I think it's a good possibility that he's right,
00:38:15
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but that's not the same as Mark Gurman's sources
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tell him they're not doing it.
00:38:21
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- Yeah, we can't know for sure, right?
00:38:23
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But this is what he is talking about right now.
00:38:26
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And I follow his line of thinking
00:38:29
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in a certain set of circumstances, right?
00:38:32
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Like if basically all that's happening is
00:38:36
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the MacBook Pros will get M2 versions of their chips
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and the iPad Pros will get M2 chips
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with some other small updates,
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it might not be like a lot, but you never know.
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- Let me give the counter proposal,
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which is what if they take all of that stuff,
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which includes, he's right, the M2 got unveiled,
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but the M2 is not that interesting.
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The M2 is interesting, but the Pro and the Macs,
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and they're more interesting.
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And then we throw in the Mac Pro.
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- And you get to reintroduce the world to macOS,
00:39:12
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Ventura, and iPadOS 16.1.
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- Right. - You can do all of that.
00:39:17
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Like, Derek, you can make an event out of all of it.
00:39:21
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- Right, so that's my scenario,
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is if you wanted to bring in,
00:39:25
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So one, if you wanted to bring in that rumored,
00:39:28
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fancier external display with these laptops
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and the iPad Pro, that wouldn't be a bad time to do it.
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Does Mark have a read on the timing of that?
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I don't know, he hasn't talked about it in a long time.
00:39:38
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Maybe that could be on the agenda and you roll that in
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because you could point that out for the iPad
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and the Mac at this point.
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And then the Mac Pro again,
00:39:47
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is not gonna be a product release, right?
00:39:49
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And Mark Gurman has reported about the Mac Pro
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being in the works, but maybe not ready to go.
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But they could announce that thing and boast about it
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as part of the context of down in the chip lab
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with M2 Pro and Max and Ultra and this thing too.
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And this is what we're doing with M2
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and lay it all out there and say,
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the Mac Pro is coming,
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you're gonna be able to pre-order it later this fall.
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And it will ship by the end of the year
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or ship early next year or whatever.
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Like they could do that anytime.
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This is not, if they can announce it months in advance
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with no penalty, which I think they can,
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and they've got an event that is Mac and iPad Pro,
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but it's a Mac event and it's toward the end of the year,
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and if it's in the window
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and it's feeling a little scant on top of it,
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and you're also announcing your high-end M2 chips,
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like it's not the worst time to do the Mac Pro rollout
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and call it an event and have it be,
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give the Mac and iPad some love in a dedicated event.
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It's not the worst idea in the world.
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So not saying they'll do it,
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I'm saying that I can think of a scenario
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where you're more optimistic than Mark Gurman about this
00:41:03
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and where Apple says, "No, we're gonna do something,"
00:41:05
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especially if it's fairly low key, right?
00:41:08
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Like, again, they could do a video event
00:41:11
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with some press briefings
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and not have it be the big show that the iPhone event was.
00:41:18
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Mark also spoke about Apple Pay Later being pushed back to Spring 2023.
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So I know we speak about a bunch of these things now of like Apple Installment Plans
00:41:30
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all that kind of stuff.
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The Apple Pay Later feature was announced at WWDC.
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This is the thing where you can use Apple Pay to split a payment of anything really
00:41:39
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into four payments, right?
00:41:41
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So I think this is US only to begin.
00:41:43
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It's kind of like these services like Klarna and stuff like that.
00:41:46
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as I'm hearing there have been fairly significant technical
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and engineering challenges in rolling out the service
00:41:52
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leading to the delays.
00:41:54
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Interestingly, Mark says it will be 16.4.
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I'm not exactly sure how he knows it will be 16.4
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in the spring, but.
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- Well, I mean, he's got somebody who has looked
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at the release board that has releases.
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- I just found that part so funny.
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- Yeah, yeah.
00:42:15
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- Okay, mark it down.
00:42:16
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- There's also doubling down on the idea
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that we've been talking about over the last few weeks
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of the iPhone 15 Ultra replacing the Pro Max
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with the 15 line also including the shift to USB-C
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across all of the phones that we've been talking about.
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So, Ultra is cool.
00:42:35
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- He really likes that idea
00:42:37
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and I think the implication there is that maybe
00:42:40
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that is a phone that is like the Apple Watch Ultra
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appreciably different from the Pro
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instead of it just being a larger Pro.
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And sounds good, great.
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I mean that, yeah, I wonder if that's like,
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if it's the camera improvements,
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maybe there's a huge camera change
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that only fits in the larger model.
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I don't know, we'll see, Periscope, maybe.
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- But if we take it back around
00:43:09
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to the beginning of the rumor roundup,
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If the Pro Max is accounting for 30 to 35%
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of the current, all of the line,
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maybe it's good to give it its own name.
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- When it's only differentiated by size,
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I'll point out, right?
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Imagine what it might happen
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if it was also differentiated by features
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so people were even more, right?
00:43:30
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'Cause you could be like, I only want the best iPhone.
00:43:32
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And then you look at the Pro and the Pro Max
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and you say, eh, the Pro is still the best iPhone.
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That's just a larger version of it.
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I'll get that one.
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But if you have ultra and it is the best
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Like it's gonna pull people,
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When he says that he means Z.
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You know I heard it that time. Cause usually I say Z I think when I'm doing it but that's
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just how it went today.
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- Let's talk about the iPhone 14 line again.
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So you have, I believe by the time this episode
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has published, you have published your review
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of the iPhone 14s.
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- What the world has been waiting for.
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- There's no review.
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- A review posted much after the release of the product.
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- So no, I'm gonna give you some credit
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'cause I think you're being too hard on yourself.
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I said this to you before we started today.
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I've read your review, you sent it to me in advance.
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And I think it's very good.
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And in a way that I know is really hard,
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because as you say, right,
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like there have been so many reviews now,
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and this isn't one of those like,
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I've lived with it for six months,
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here's re-review kind of thing.
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This is eight, no, I've had it for a week,
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let me tell you what I think about it.
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But I think you bring your unique viewpoint to the phones,
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and I think you do a really good job
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of breaking down some of the interesting parts of it.
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So much so that I wanted to talk about
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so many things today,
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if you will allow me to.
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So one of the things you talk about,
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and I think your whole review is framed around
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something we've been talking about on the show
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for the last couple of weeks,
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is this being the perfect example year
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of this thing that Apple's been building to for a while
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and doing it on and off of like,
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no, we're splitting the phone lines.
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Like we call them all 14,
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but there are big differences between the 14 and the 14 Pro,
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the two phones that are in each, right?
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you argue that it's good for Apple and good for buyers?
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- Well, I think it is good.
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It's good for Apple because they're increasing
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the potential average selling price of the iPhone.
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- And money, money, money, money, money, right?
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You know, if you know. - Yeah, it's good.
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We know all about it.
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The, you know, quarterly results will come out soon
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and we'll talk about that again.
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But it's also good for buyers in,
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I know this is a strange way to phrase this,
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but think about it this way.
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If you look at the Pro phones and what they have
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doesn't interest you or doesn't make a difference,
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you can just save your money.
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Like, I mean, that's the truth of it,
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is they're different and there's a true alternative
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and it's a brand new phone.
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And I will admit the iPhone 14 itself
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is as marginally brand new as an iPhone has ever been.
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Because there's so little that has changed from last year.
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But it's also, you know, quite a bit cheaper
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than the Pro models.
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And for a lot of people, they don't care about that.
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I mean, I went right through this with my son,
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who I did not say he couldn't get an iPhone Pro.
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And he was like, "Nah, iPhone 14's fine."
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Like that was really his take on it.
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And he was coming from like an iPhone 10, right?
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So he was gonna pick up a lot of features anyway.
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But he, yeah, he was just fine with it.
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And that saved, and that made me happy
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'cause it saved me money.
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- I like this, Woody, you say,
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"If they're choosing," so it's about buyers,
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"If they're choosing to spend money
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on the more expensive phone,
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they wanna know what they're getting for their money.
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And if those features don't impress,
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you can save your money, right?
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And I like that as like,
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hey, look, if you read this, you're like, I don't want it,
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because I just want the 14,
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well, you don't need to get this one.
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And so maybe the small jump is good.
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- And psychologically,
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if you're gonna spend on the expensive phone,
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you wanna know that you're getting your money's worth, right?
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You wanna know like I'm getting something for this.
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I'm not getting this just to get one more GPU,
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or I'm not getting this just to get stainless steel
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and a matte back of the phone, right?
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Instead of the shiny one, that's slightly different.
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I want tangible features.
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And so over the last couple of years,
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'cause remember there was a moment with the iPhone 13
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where the 13 and 13 Pro were almost identical
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except for the one camera that was extra,
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like everything else about them.
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That was a generation where I really felt like
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you should just get the non-Pro because they look better
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and the differences between them are pretty minor.
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And like it was kind of funny, or the 12th, right?
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With the 12th generation.
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13th generation pushed it, like the ProMotion display,
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like it started to pull them apart,
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and now they are way apart.
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They have different chips in them,
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different chip generations between the 14 and the 14 Pro.
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And the camera has advanced so much in the 14 Pro.
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And in addition to ProMotion,
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you also have the brightness,
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and you have the always on display,
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and you have the dynamic island.
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Like they are way apart now.
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And that's in a couple of cycles, you go from the 12,
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where you might as well just get the low end one,
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'cause they're not really that different,
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all the way to the 14, where they are way far apart
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in terms of functionality.
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And that's something that Apple has made a point of doing.
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We talked about the idea of an Apple Watch,
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or an Apple, an iPhone Ultra, like the Apple Watch Ultra.
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Well, this is how it starts, right?
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You've gotta, first, you gotta pull your stack of four phones
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that are only different, really, in terms of looks and size,
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and maybe one camera, you start pulling them apart.
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And after a couple of years,
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you've really started to open up
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some differentiation between them.
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And I think differentiation is good because it's clear,
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like if you're, again, it's good for buyers too,
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because it's very clear what you're buying.
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There's this or this, and they are different.
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And they're different enough for you to make a choice
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about is the difference worth the money?
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When they're all kind of muddled together,
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it's not good for anyone.
00:51:18
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- Yeah, it is interesting to think that like
00:51:21
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within the next couple of years we could be looking at like five distinct iPhones
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right if you include the SE that they make like they're distinct in some way
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from each other like much more than they are now they're like five brands five
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devices and they all have a slightly different set of features that is an
00:51:39
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interesting thing like I don't like I wonder like does it get too complicated
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at that point I don't know right I guess that's the thing that we'll have to see
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bear out over time, but as it stands for right now, like in my position of being
00:51:53
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somebody who's excited and interested about this stuff and talks about it
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professionally, I like the idea of the differentiation because it allows for
00:52:03
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a different dimension on what we can think about and talk about. You called
00:52:08
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the Dynamic Island a significant evolution of iOS. Yeah, I mean it is
00:52:14
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It is that, right?
00:52:14
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They took, again, I admire them taking something
00:52:18
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that they could have just seen as a blemish to hide,
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which is the idea that they still have these sensors
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cutting out into their screen.
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And they like the edge-to-edge-ish screen,
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but they want the sensors, they have to be there.
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And although they don't take up as much space
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as they used to, they still are cutting into the screen.
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They could have hidden it.
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They chose instead to use it as a prompt
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to build an ongoing status feature.
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I think that's great.
00:52:49
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I think it has a lot of potential.
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Also though, you can't,
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I mean, well, let me back up and just say also,
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this is how do you do multitasking on an iPhone.
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I know that in the Unconnected Federico talks
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and you guys joke about like,
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split screen coming to the big iPhones and things like that.
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I was like, the iPhone is just not practical
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for that kind of thing, right?
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It's too small.
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Well, even the big one is too small.
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- Well, I think that's not a joke.
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Like, I think they could do it.
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Like, it is no joke.
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I've used Android devices that do it.
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Like, is it the best?
00:53:26
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No, but is it good in a pinch?
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It's like, you know.
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- I don't know if Apple's gonna sign on
00:53:31
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to is it the best?
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Like, that's a company. - But the thing is,
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picture in picture exists.
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And I can have-- - Yes, it does.
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- A huge video window
00:53:40
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that covers up a third of my display at any time.
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So they can do it.
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- They can, they seem really reluctant,
00:53:48
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but the point is, look, they're trying something else here,
00:53:51
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which is essentially Dynamic Island is allowing you
00:53:56
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to get data from two apps at once.
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And it's a background thing,
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and it's like a status and notification.
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It is the smallest of scales, I think I say,
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of single screen multitasking, but it is multitasking.
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So they are trying to build this thing in
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to kind of redefine what's happening in the background
00:54:13
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while you're using a single app,
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because that's basically the metaphor on the iPhone
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is there's one app at a time,
00:54:18
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but there's other stuff going on too,
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and you should know about it.
00:54:21
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The problem is that they shipped all of this
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without the Live Activities API,
00:54:30
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which they announced in June, but hid part of,
00:54:33
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and said, "Anyway, it's not gonna ship
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until later in the fall. And I'm not entirely clear about whether it wasn't going to ship
00:54:40
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until later, in part because it wasn't going to be ready, or whether this was entirely
00:54:46
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just "we're going to pull that feature out because we don't want to give away the details
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of what we're doing with the Dynamic Island." And you know, that's a choice they can make.
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But the net result is that one of the big feeders of value into the Dynamic Island is
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not available and won't be available until another software update. And meanwhile, also
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the software developers have to figure out how they want to use it and implement it and
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release their products with it. And I think that's a problem because it means the dynamic
00:55:16
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island is essentially unfinished right now. And it feels unfinished. It's got like, yeah,
00:55:22
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sure, there's some Apple apps. And if you play audio or do calls, basically, you pick
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it up for free because those APIs support it. And Apple has integrated some, but not
00:55:34
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all, of its status information in there. I'm always surprised when there's like, "Oh, when
00:55:38
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I mute my ringer, that goes in there and my face ID goes in there, but when I activate
00:55:45
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– oh, and if I run a shortcut, it goes in there. But if I activate Siri, no, that doesn't
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do it there. What?" And every so often I see something and I'm like, "Why is that
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not in the Dynamic Island.
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And I think the answer is no, they didn't get to it.
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So it's one of these things where,
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for whatever reason or reasons,
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the Dynamic Island is an unfinished feature,
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or at least an unfed feature.
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And so who can judge, right?
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Like we're gonna all need to live with it
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and see what happens and see what developers do
00:56:17
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before we can really render a final judgment about it.
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And also I'll throw out there that like the touch bar
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or something like that, sorry to mention the touch bar,
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but the other part of this is that Apple needs
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to continue to press on it.
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I think that there are places where it could be improved
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and should be improved over time.
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And we won't know that until next WWDC,
00:56:36
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but I would really like Apple to show
00:56:39
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that it thinks the Dynamic Island is important
00:56:42
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and not a product that they release,
00:56:45
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consider done, walk away from,
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and then it fades away in a few years.
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- I really do like the idea.
00:56:51
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I hadn't considered it as multitasking,
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but I guess it is and it will be.
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I think this is, I know everyone's saying it,
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but it really is one of these things where like,
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right now for me, it's like a curiosity,
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it's something I see every now and then,
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it's like an animation I enjoy, you know,
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that kind of stuff, there's a little piece of information
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that I get, like, now whenever I put my AirPods in,
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I get a battery indication immediately,
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which I like, they've just put it in there, right?
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Like it's little parts, it's like, oh, that's fun.
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But it really is going to take the like,
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well, when I order a car and I see how long it's gonna take
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and you know, when I order food and I see
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well, how long that's gonna be,
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or when I'm keeping track of something,
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all of that stuff,
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that's where it's going to really come into its own,
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potentially, right?
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And it is hard to know right now,
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will this feel like multitasking,
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or will this just feel like a notification?
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I don't know, but I'm intrigued.
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- Yeah, and I do think that they've been very,
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I think what I said in the article
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is they've been very conservative with it, right?
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They're being very careful with these features,
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'cause they don't wanna like, first off,
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they can't really revamp all of iOS
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because it's only on this one,
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you know, two models basically right now.
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But at the same time, they could do more,
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they could push more things into the dynamic island.
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And I'm sure that they had an internal discussion
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about like what goes in there and what doesn't.
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But I'm not convinced that what we're seeing
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is the complete final result of that.
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One, because I think they don't know.
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And two, because I think there are things
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that they just decided they didn't have time to reinvent.
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And so they just sort of left them out there.
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But I do, by opening that door,
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every interruption I see on my iPhone
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that is not in the dynamic island
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makes me say, "Why is this not?"
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And sometimes the answer is a good answer,
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but sometimes I go, "Mm, I'm not,
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I think that this should be there."
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And they just chose, or decided they couldn't do it.
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And I just think that's,
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it's an interesting place to put yourself.
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But I think once you say, "Here's the dynamic island,"
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you are opening yourself up as Apple
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to having your users go, wait a second,
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if this is so great, why doesn't it do that?
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And that's why it's, you know, like I said,
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I don't wanna call it an unfinished feature,
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but it's certainly a 1.0,
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and it's a 1.0 kind of feature without developer support.
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So it feels very much like that.
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Like anything that ships on a brand new device
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where it's revolutionary and amazing,
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but all that really supports it,
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that launches Apple apps and some stuff
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that they've sort of swept in.
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That's literally what this is, is that.
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And so, you know, to be,
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and I'm reviewing it in the context of an iPhone
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because these iPhones are the ones that offer it right now.
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But it also is really, at this point,
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a software story going forward.
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It's a really an iOS story.
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It starts on this hardware, but then from now on,
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the Dynamic Island, you know,
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if we do a follow-up review about the phones,
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I think that it really, there should be a follow-up review
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at some point about the Dynamic Island
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because where is it going?
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Because the hardware is not changing, right?
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It's the software that will make a change.
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- One of the things that I am really intrigued about
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and I actually think is good is that
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all of the Dynamic Island stuff is powered
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by live activities, which exists on all iPhones with iOS.
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- Yes, or it's point one, right?
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It's like will exist.
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- Will exist, yes.
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- I could have imagined that they're like,
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oh, we just made this thing for the dynamic island.
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You know, but they didn't.
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I just think that's kind of cool that,
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so at least other people will still be able
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to benefit from it.
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- We'll see, I mean, it'll be on lock screens, right?
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Non always on lock screens on other devices
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will also show this.
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- I assume it also shows a notification center in general,
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right, as well as the lock screens.
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- Right, that's my guess.
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But I think that that's gonna be an ongoing question
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when we talk about iOS 17 is,
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is there a way to integrate information?
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Where does the live activities information show?
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What are the proper places for it?
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Because there are a lot of devices
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that don't have the Dynamic Island.
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And so can I flip up or down somewhere
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and see my live activities?
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And perhaps that's the answer is,
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literally it's in Notification Center.
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And so you have to do extra work
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if you're not using the Dynamic Island.
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That's fine.
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Or you have to lock your phone
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and see it on the lock screen,
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which is maybe less good,
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'cause then you have to unlock your phone.
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I don't know.
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It's something to watch,
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because it is a new thing that Apple is, you know,
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kind of experimenting with on two phone models right now.
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You don't seem too keen on the always-on.
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I would read this line,
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"What does leaving the iPhone screen on actually accomplish?"
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I just thought it was like pretty skewering.
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- I mean, yeah, not trying.
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I mean, I didn't write that sentence and go,
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"Ha ha, I got you." - You got 'em.
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- Got 'em, yeah. - That's right, we got 'em.
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Everybody, victory.
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Well, I was struck.
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We were having dinner with my kids
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while we were dropping my son off at college.
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And my daughter says,
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'cause I got the phone laying out on the table
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at the restaurant and she says, "Why is it on?"
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Like, she was kinda like disturbed by it,
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which is not a reaction I expected.
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It's like, "Oh, that's cool, it's always on."
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It's like, "Mm, no, like, she didn't like it."
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And some of that is just not used to it
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and phones are very important to her
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and it's a phone doing a weird thing.
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But it did make me think, okay, why is it like this?
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And so this is my answer,
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which is what is asking me a question,
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what does it accomplish?
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What is it for?
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Why is it like this?
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And if you wanna say,
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well, I like that my phone is hanging out on my desk
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and I look and I can see the time
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and I can see a picture that's on it.
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It's like, fair enough.
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Like fair enough.
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But for me, I'm a little more skeptical about that.
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Like it, and again,
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this is a case where we don't have live activities view.
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If it's populated with live activities,
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it is maybe a little more dynamic,
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not island dynamic by the way,
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but just dynamic a little more.
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It's interesting that they took,
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they compacted all of the notifications
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so you don't see so many notifications now.
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So notification comes in and if you're looking,
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you can see it, but like they're in a pile now,
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So you're not gonna see the last four.
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So that's not it.
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It just, I like the idea of it
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and I appreciate the technical prowess that went into it.
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Also in my case, I wear a watch,
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I have the time on all my devices.
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There's very few circumstances where I'm going to use
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the iPhone as my only source of time.
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Now if you sleep next to your iPhone
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and you can see glasses, I suppose,
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then, but in sleep mode it turns itself off.
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So maybe that's not even an answer.
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So I guess what I'm saying is I struggle a little bit
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with the why of this feature.
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Not that it's not impressive
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and not that it couldn't be something.
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Also, it is pretty dim.
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A lot of the photos that I put on it,
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I can't really see them that clearly because it's dim.
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So it doesn't become like a great showcase for my photos
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like I thought it might.
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It is, the widgets are okay, right?
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That you can put some live widgets,
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but even there the power of it is kind of blunted
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by the fact that the lock screen widgets
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are limited to that one strip
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and the one text thing at the top
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when there should probably be more.
01:04:58
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And again, let me decide
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if I want a lock screen full of widgets.
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But it feels like Apple saying,
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"Well, look, we've got this great new information strip
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"and you can really only put three or four things up there.
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"Because if you put more, it will make,
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"we won't like how your phone looks."
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It's like, well, it's my phone.
01:05:17
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If these information things are so great
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and I want an always on display that's full of information,
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let me do it.
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And Apple has decided, no, you don't get to do that.
01:05:27
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So, and again, maybe part of that is solved
01:05:29
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by the live activities thing, hasn't shipped, doesn't exist.
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So I tried to be enthusiastic about the Always On display
01:05:38
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and where I ended up is I think it's a curiosity
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that needs to prove itself and for me it hasn't.
01:05:44
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- I struggle to say why I like it, but I do like it.
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I just find it interesting to just have the information
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that I've chosen to put on my lock screen
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there all the time.
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I don't love it, but I like it.
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I'm definitely not having the negative reaction
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that I'm seeing from a lot of people.
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- Yeah, and keeping in mind, I'm writing a review here,
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right, so it's like reviewing anything critically.
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I, as a regular user, I would probably say what you say,
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which is, oh, it's kind of cool, it stays on,
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and you can look at it, and there's stuff.
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And that's all true.
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But when I try to look at it critically as a reviewer,
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I look at it and ask that question,
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like, well, okay, what does this get me?
01:06:28
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Other than draining my battery faster,
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What does this get me?
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And I feel like that's where Apple has not lived up
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to the feature.
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Apple has not done all that it could, including some,
01:06:42
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you know, some of this may just be,
01:06:43
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is this a good feature or not?
01:06:45
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And I think it probably is fine,
01:06:47
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but some of it is Apple's own failures,
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which is, like I said, Live Activities API not being there,
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limited ability to put widgets on the lock screen,
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stuff that rolling up all the notifications,
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which I support as an idea,
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but like if I got an always on display
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and I know on the old version of iOS,
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I could have theoretically seen three or four notifications
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and now I can't because they rolled them all together.
01:07:12
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It just, it's curious.
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So when I started sort of interrogating it like that,
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I ended up coming away feeling like,
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even though on the surface, it's like, this is cool.
01:07:24
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Beyond that, you know, like my daughter said, like, "Ugh, why?"
01:07:29
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It's like, "Oh, why? Hmm."
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It could be a lot better. I guess that's what I'm saying.
01:07:34
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And I think that's all -- like the dynamic island,
01:07:36
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it's a little bit in Apple's hands to make it better.
01:07:39
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-And since we last spoke,
01:07:40
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you've been taking some raw photography.
01:07:43
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-Yeah, you know, I went down -- there's a bridge near my house
01:07:47
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that I like to take pictures at.
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Some people -- that people like to take pictures out, I hear.
01:07:51
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-The Bay Bridge? -No, that's not the one.
01:07:56
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- It's an orange, it's the orange one.
01:07:57
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- The orange bridge, that's what they call it.
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- And so I went down there and I took a bunch of pictures.
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I mean, I've been taking pictures with it everywhere.
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I was saying to Lauren that this is every,
01:08:08
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when you get the new iPhone and you're reviewing it,
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everything suddenly is a photo opportunity.
01:08:13
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So you start doing like, okay, I'll take it raw,
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take a non-raw, take the 1X and the 2X and the 3X
01:08:20
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and the 0.5X and you do the whole kind of rigmarole
01:08:23
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so you can compare them later.
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But I did take a bunch down by the water and by the bridge.
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And you know, that 48 megapixel camera is staggeringly good.
01:08:33
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Like that's my real top line feeling about it,
01:08:37
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is that you can have an iPhone
01:08:40
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with that level of detail is shocking.
01:08:44
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It's so good.
01:08:46
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And I think that if you're somebody
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who really fancies themselves an iPhone photographer,
01:08:52
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and one of your hobbies is taking pictures,
01:08:54
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but you do a lot of it with your iPhone,
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and you do shoot in RAW,
01:09:00
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or you've thought about shooting in RAW,
01:09:02
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but you process your images
01:09:03
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and maybe you put them on prints or on posters.
01:09:08
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Like, if you care about this,
01:09:10
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that might be enough to upgrade
01:09:13
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just to get access to that 48-megapixel sensor,
01:09:17
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because it's, especially in bright light,
01:09:19
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It is remarkably good.
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What's funny-- - The level of detail
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is truly unbelievable.
01:09:27
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If you take the photos side by side,
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it really is quite surprising.
01:09:34
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:35
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What's funny is Apple has locked that feature out
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for most users.
01:09:39
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That's, again, I find a curious choice.
01:09:42
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And again, I understand why Apple chose to do it.
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Apple is thinking the regular photographer
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is just shooting snapshots.
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And so what we're getting with the 48 megapixel sensor
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for the regular person is two things.
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One is quad pixel binning.
01:09:59
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So we're not using it as a 48,
01:10:01
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we're using it as a really good 12 megapixel camera
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with good low light performance.
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Great, that's really good.
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And the other thing that you get is the 2X camera,
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which is not a camera,
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but just a crop of the inside 12 megapixels
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of the 48 megapixel sensor.
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But that's really nice because it means that
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you are able to use that sensor to get a,
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it's a crop, but it's,
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the context is instead of letting you do
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a 48 megapixel picture and crop it,
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they're like, "Well, we're gonna pre-crop it for you."
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And it's not gonna have the low light performance
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that the quad pixel binning has 'cause it's turned off,
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but you are gonna get a different, another camera view.
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And the 2X view is really nice.
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So Apple's giving the users that.
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But what it's not doing is saying,
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yeah, but I wanna take this at 48.
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And so you have to go into settings, into camera,
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and then you have to go into a sub menu.
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You have to turn on raw and say, I wanna shoot 48 raw.
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And then you have the ability to toggle raw on and off
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in the camera app.
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- Then it's really easy.
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Like it is easy then,
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'cause you just got that button there all the time.
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- Even then you don't have the option
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of shooting like a 48 megapixel heaf image.
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It has to be raw.
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And that means, and it's like another barrier.
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So Apple has erected all these barriers to using the sensor.
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And I get it, like on one level, I get it.
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It is not for most people.
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The files are huge.
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Most people would prefer the lower light performance
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from the quad pixel binning and have that benefit.
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However, I am still a little disappointed.
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I think Apple's so clever, right?
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Apple's so clever and so helpful.
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I think having a shooting mode that you could turn on
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that says, when I'm in bright light,
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give me a 48 megapixel heave image
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because it's gorgeous and detailed.
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And it's a feature I'm turning on,
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but also be smart enough to say,
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oh, well, the light's a little bit lower now,
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I'm gonna go to the quad pixel binning
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in order to get a better shot.
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And Apple does this in other circumstances
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where they change the lens in order to get the right one
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that's got the right performance in it.
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Like when you're zooming through, it will change the lens
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and when the light conditions change,
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it will change the lens or the camera it's using.
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- And I don't know if it still does this,
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but I know for a while, if you used the telephoto,
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but there wasn't enough light,
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it would just crop in the main lens.
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- Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, it does this.
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And so I asked the question again,
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which is like, what's the deal, Apple?
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Why have you made it so hard
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not to use the 48 megapixel sensor?
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Like, and again, I understand some of the reasoning,
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but I disagree with the absolutism of,
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you can only do it if you turn the setting on
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and shoot RAW, otherwise you don't, or,
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'cause again, if the argument is,
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"Well, yeah, but those images are noisy
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and you really need the quad pixel binning."
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Well, I can shoot a 2X,
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those images are noisy and don't have quad pixel binning.
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I'm allowed to do that,
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but I'm not allowed to see the whole sensor
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unless I turn on RAW.
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Like, I don't know, it is,
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So the bottom line is, this is a great camera,
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especially if you care about photos
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and you're willing to take the extra steps
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to give yourself extra control.
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And the stuff that comes out in those RAW files is amazing.
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It is really, really incredible levels of detail.
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I was taking pictures of the Golden Gate Bridge
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where I could see individual people up on the ridge
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above the bridge looking down on it.
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Whereas in the 12 megapixel image, you know, there's a bump.
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but in the 48 megapixel, it's a human being.
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You can see their arms and their head
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and they're looking out.
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Like it is remarkable.
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So it's a great camera,
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but if you're a casual photographer
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who just is, you know, shooting snapshots,
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it is a better camera,
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but not as better as you might think.
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And it is better.
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I definitely saw some cases
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where there was a lot of noise in the 48
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and the quad pixel binning was like, there's no noise.
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It's really impressive,
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but it's a way more subtle sort of thing.
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And I just, I really feel like this is the case
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where Apple has erred too far on the side
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of keeping it simple.
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And I don't wanna say dumbing it down,
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but that's kind of what it is,
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which is they've taken their own sensor
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and really muted its impact by not giving people a pathway
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to like, they basically said the 48 is really only for pros
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or if you wanna zoom, otherwise forget it.
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And I think that's too bad.
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- Yeah, I feel like just in general,
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there is maybe a little bit more headroom in this camera
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than Apple have made available in general, right?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- 'Cause as we were talking about,
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and as a lot of reviewers have pointed out,
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like people that are, I would say,
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much more knowledgeable than me and you about photography.
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- That's for sure.
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- It seems like really the 14 does most of the time
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about as good a job as the 13 Pro, right?
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The 14 Pro and the 13 Pro.
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- Yeah, I shot a bunch with the 13 Pro as well.
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And although the 14 Pro is very, very, very slightly better
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in certain conditions, they're basically the same.
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Which is, when I say dumbed down,
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I mean, it is a little bit of that.
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Apple has this incredibly amazing new piece of hardware,
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but they kind of want the default to be more or less
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what the old hardware was with a little bit of a variation.
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And that's an odd decision.
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And I just, I'm a little bit frustrated
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that they didn't try to push this more.
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And I think you're exactly right.
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It is a scenario where Apple seems to be going real slow
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and wants to be really conservative
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about how they roll out their new hardware.
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And I think they're concerned about people, you know,
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shooting giant images that they can't do anything with
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that they would have to process and like I get all of that but I just I think they went too far.
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I think they have erred too far on the side of not giving more regular users the access to that kind
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of power. However they will let us do it which I could imagine a world in which they didn't enable
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a 48 megapixel sensor. Oh yeah imagine if the only way you could use that use the 48 data was in the
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in the 2X mode with a little part of it.
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- You can see a world in which they would just not do it.
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So what I'll say is like on the flip side,
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it feels like a great time for apps that make shooting
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and dealing with raw photos easier.
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And I think that is going to maybe become more
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and more popular.
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It is worth saying maybe this is the first time
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I feel like we're putting a camera and pro
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in the name together on an iPhone makes sense
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because to get the best out of this lens,
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you have to do something that really,
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you kinda need to know what you're doing a little bit
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to get it to work.
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'Cause like sometimes, in the right daylight,
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you take a picture with the RAW, it just looks good.
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But if you're not in that, you get,
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colors look weird and that kind of stuff.
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- But let me respond to that though by saying,
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isn't that Apple's job?
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Like isn't Apple's job,
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isn't the thing that Apple is so proud of?
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- That they take some amazing hardware technology
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like a 48 megapixel sensor,
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and they use their amazing secret sauce
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and their image pipeline and their photonic engine
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and all of that to put that power
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in the hands of the regular user.
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And I would argue then that if you say,
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this is great if you are unlocking all of the barriers
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and downloading a third party app and that you're a pro,
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shouldn't the idea be that Apple unlocks that power
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for everyone to use, and they didn't.
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They chose not to.
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They're like, nah, it's a zoom or a pro feature
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you can turn on.
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And again, I'm not saying everybody should be shooting
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48 megapixels, I'm not saying that at all,
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but like there is a scenario here,
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again, to get back to sort of like my critics hat,
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there's a scenario here where Apple says,
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we are smart enough that if you put it in this mode,
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we know when to shoot with 48,
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and we know when to step it down to quad pixel binning,
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and we'll make it look great under either circumstance
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for you, regular person,
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so that you can take the photo off and go,
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"Oh my God, look at all this extra detail,
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'cause I wanna crop it over here in the corner
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and print a poster of it," or whatever.
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And they punted, I mean, they punted on that.
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They said, "No, we're not gonna make 48 megapixel images
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accessible to regular users.
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We're gonna hide it."
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And I think that, look, we can all debate it
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because I think this is a completely subjective thing.
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I think that is a failure of Apple's own stated philosophy
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of taking high complicated technology
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and bringing it to regular people.
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They literally locked everybody out of this feature
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unless they know how to turn it on
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instead of having it be magic.
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And that's curious to me.
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Okay. Did they just kill a bird? Maybe. At least shot at the bird. Yeah. On the island.
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I guess it's like some parrot or something. I don't even know. It could have been a monkey too.
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I don't know. Monkey island. Jonathan asks, "Apple have done a great job embracing the
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arrives, what do you imagine they would do with the island?
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- Well, let's see how it goes.
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I think that's the first one, is like, let's see how it goes.
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And if people like it and people are used to it,
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my guess is that the dynamic island will pop down
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when it's not active.
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That you might be able to swipe it down or swipe it up
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and get it out of your way
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if you don't wanna see it and probably turn it on or off.
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But that would be my guess,
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is that it'll look just like it does now,
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except it'll be dismissible
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and it won't have an inactive state.
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That's my guess.
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- I could imagine that, yeah, it just,
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it just, right, if you say like when something's not in it,
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it just doesn't exist.
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- Right, assuming that people like it and use it,
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which I would say it's more likely than not
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that is the case.
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But if it's a flop and nobody really likes it,
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After a year or two, then they'll be like,
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we'll just, you know, like the touch bar,
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we'll just make it fade away."
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But otherwise, yeah, I mean,
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that's the beauty of this thing is it's mostly software,
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right? It is hiding some cutouts, but it's mostly software.
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So that's my guess is they'll just make it something
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that appears when it's active or you can dismiss it
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or make it reappear or whatever.
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And it'll be a dynamic status item element
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at the top of the screen.
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Because even in the world of a full screen iPhone,
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I still think they're going to need
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to have a status bar of some description, right?
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That has stuff in it.
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So the idea of having this design,
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like this UI element that could appear and go away
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or whatever, there's probably going
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to be some kind of element of that for a long time.
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I will say that the fact that they have done all of the work
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that they have done would suggest to me that Apple think
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that it is quite a way away before they won't have
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any cameras or sensors visible on the device, right?
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- It will be interesting if we end up
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with a different dynamic island at some point that's got,
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like the beauty of the dynamic island, I would guess,
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is that they have the ability or will have the ability
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to change sort of what cutouts they're dancing around
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and where they are.
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So yeah, we may see it that it's an even smaller cutout,
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but we won't notice the difference
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'cause it's still just the dynamic island.
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It's also possible that at some point
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they might re-figure the whole thing
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as a status bar on the top,
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because there is the name of the carrier
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and your wifi and your bars and your battery and all of that.
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That stuff's always up there,
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whereas dynamic island kind of appears
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during active activities.
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So they might reconceive some of that stuff if necessary.
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But anyway, I think that's the most likely scenario
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is that the dynamic island will continue to stay around.
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And we talked about the idea that it might even appear
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on things like the iPad down the road.
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I think it would be the same thing, right?
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It would be a place that would appear
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when you have something in the background that is going on
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and that you can turn it off or dismiss it
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if you don't wanna see it.
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- Speaking of which, John asks, Jonathan asks.
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Not John, Jonathan, we already had John.
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- No, I don't wanna, actually,
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I don't wanna get to Jonathan's question just yet.
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Hold on. - Oh, okay.
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- There's another question here.
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I'm getting lost on dynamic island.
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Oh yeah, this was John.
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Jonathan asked the last question.
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John asks this question.
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I've got too many Johns around here.
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- All right.
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- John says, "You spoke last week
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"about whether the iPad would get the dynamic island or not.
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"What about the Mac?
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"The Mac has a notch today.
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"Could it have the island in the future?"
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- My gut feeling is that the Mac already has a thing for this
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and it's the menu bar.
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If the "Dynamic Island" is a big hit
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and Apple wants to kind of play that idea elsewhere,
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It could certainly do it if it wanted to,
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but with the notch, what Apple has done
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is basically made the notch part of the menu bar.
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And the menu bar is a status area,
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so I'm not sure it's necessary on the Mac.
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I mean, could they do it if they really, really liked it
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and they wanted to extend it?
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Sure, also the Mac is even more multitasky already.
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So it really is, you know, the need for it is less.
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It really is the stuff that's already in the menu bar.
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It's already up there.
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So, you know, other than forcing it in
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because of a brand extension kind of thing,
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it doesn't seem very necessary on the Mac.
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My entire dynamic island on my Mac is like,
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my menu bar is my dynamic island is what I'm trying to say.
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It's a, I don't know what that would be.
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It's like a haze layer of status or something.
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I don't know.
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It's up there at the very top.
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- We're not looking for a dynamic menu.
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- Alex asks, "In time, could you imagine
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that notifications would be integrated
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into the dynamic island?"
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- Well, so this is something that we sort of touched on
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earlier with the question of like,
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does it, it's like a new game.
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Should this be in the dynamic island?
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And I think that when a notification comes in,
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having the dynamic island expand to show it
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and then have it go back away if you don't interact with it,
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I mean, I've got to think they mock that up.
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And there must be some reason.
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The question is, do they think it's a bad idea
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or did they just not have time to revamp
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the entire notification system on two phones?
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I think that's the question.
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Feels to me like as a notification comes in,
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What is that but a background status event, right?
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Like that it actually, I think maybe should display
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on the dynamic island, at least temporarily,
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and then go away again.
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I'm sure there's a counter argument to that,
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but that's my gut feeling is like, whoa, why not?
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Why do we have multiple layers?
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Like, why do I have a little notification blob
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shoot down below the dynamic island and then live there
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and then shoot back up when it's done,
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when it's doing kind of the same job
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as the Dynamic Island.
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I know it's not ongoing,
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but it is a background information bit that's coming in.
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So I think there's a solid argument
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for Apple putting notification pop-ups
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in the Dynamic Island.
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- I would like to see it.
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I just like the animation.
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Like, I like the Apple Pay animation.
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I just think it looks really nice.
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So I would, why,
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considering notifications come from that general area
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of the screen, why not have them pop up there?
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- You know, and while I'm being critical
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of all of Apple's stuff today,
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because that's part of my job,
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I like what you said earlier about like,
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it feels like Apple thinks this is the thing.
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Like nothing tells you that Apple thinks
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that this is the thing more than the amount of effort
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that they put into all the animations, all the movements.
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The Dynamic Island is a dancing blob.
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It is this, it's got for a black space,
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an empty, theoretically, space.
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It actually has personality,
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a featureless empty blob that has personality,
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but it does, and it does its little thing
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where it expands and goes, "Oh, Face ID,"
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and like, "Oh, the lock is unlocked,"
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and now, you know, all of those things
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that it's doing up there.
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That suggests that Apple is like,
01:30:51
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"Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're onto something here,"
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and it is delightful.
01:30:55
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And then a notification comes in,
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and it's like, "Here I am, there I go,"
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and it's like, it feels old, right?
01:30:59
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It doesn't feel right.
01:31:00
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And again, I can see arguments
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that notifications aren't Dynamic Island participants,
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but I think maybe they are.
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I think that that's the right place for them.
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Like you've got, you invented the replacement
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for notifications, so now notifications need to go in there.
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Not like for Notification Center,
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where you're viewing all of them,
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but like the ones that come in across the transom, right,
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and say, "Here's a news alert," and it expands and goes,
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"Oh, the news thing happened,"
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and then you either interact with it or it goes,
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"Mm, goodbye," and it fades back away.
01:31:29
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Like that seems right to me.
01:31:32
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- Aaron asks, can you disable the always on display
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on the 14 Pro via focus modes or shortcuts,
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i.e. disable when driving?
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Okay, the answer to the,
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the direct answer to what you are asking is no, right?
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You cannot use focus modes to turn off the always on display
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but-- - Right.
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Even though some focus modes do it, hmm.
01:32:02
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- This feels like, by the way, this feels like a feature
01:32:04
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that will be updated sometime in iOS 16, right?
01:32:07
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Like this feels like one of those things
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they just left on the table.
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It's like, we'll get to it.
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Like we got other stuff going on today.
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Have you seen the Dynamic Island?
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We're working on it.
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This feels like it's just like easy to add this later.
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So I hope they will.
01:32:19
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- But there is a thing that I found on 9to5Mac today
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where there's like a weird workaround that you can do.
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So there is a setting in the options of a focus mode,
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which is currently called dim lock screen
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when you're in a certain focus.
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And on other devices, it kind of just,
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just something akin to what the sleep mode looks like,
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where it kind of like dims the lock screen a little bit.
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But when you do this on an always on,
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like so you got like the 14 Pro, right?
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When you enable this option,
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It turns off everything other than time and widgets
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when you're in that focus mode
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and you've enabled that as a thing.
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So you could create a lock screen that had no widgets on it
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and tie it to that focus mode.
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Then when you turned on this focus mode,
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it would basically make your lock screen
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just have the time on it.
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This is a real work around, but this is a way to do it.
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You would have to have, like, this is not a solution
01:33:33
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to get what people want in my opinion of like,
01:33:36
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I just wanted to have this, I don't want the image.
01:33:38
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You could do that, but then you're living
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in A focus mode all the time.
01:33:42
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Maybe that's good for you, maybe that's what you want.
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This is a work around to do it.
01:33:46
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This is not the option that people are looking for,
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but this is a thing you can do if you have a specific reason.
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So for example, like Aaron mentioned,
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is like to disable it while driving.
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So yes, you could set up a driving lock screen
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that didn't have any widgets on it,
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and then you could turn that one on
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by setting up that focus mode, enabling that setting,
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and then when you drive, your iPhone will just show the time,
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which probably isn't that distracting to you.
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That's a way to do it,
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but it's not the thing you're looking for.
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They should add this as a thing in focus mode,
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just straight up turn it off like you can in sleep.
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- This feels like a very simple,
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I know it might not be,
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but it seems like the kind of thing,
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like I said, that's a 16.1 or 16.2 feature
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where that they just slide in there,
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which is shortcut support and focus mode support
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and just like a little more control
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over the always on display.
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- Oh, it should be one of the focus filters.
01:34:49
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- Yeah, the people working on those features
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might not even have known about the Always On Display for a while. So I feel like they're
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going to use their own products inside Apple with the Always On Display and be like, "Oh,
01:35:01
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yeah, we should do that too and then we'll see it." This doesn't feel like something
01:35:05
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that's like a policy decision. It feels like it's just expediency.
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Oh, a bird flew by, but it's no problem.
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Millennial Falcon asks, I promise this one, this is baseball related.
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Friday Night Baseball on Apple TV+ broadcast the Yankees game this week, which had the
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potential this weekend for a historic Aaron Judge home run. This is a record, right? I
01:37:25
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saw about this. I saw this going around.
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- Yeah, the American League record and the Yankees team record for home runs is 61. Roger
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Maris and Judge as we record this is on 60.
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- Okay. This question asks, "There was a lot of discourse about Apple letting the Yankees
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cable channel make a deal to switch or simulcast the game because of this. How do you think
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the relationship of streaming services and traditional cable providers will change going
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forward, particularly for historic moments like these?
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- Okay, so yes, there were a bunch of things. The New York Attorney General decided to make
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some political points by saying, "Oh, how dare they charge us for this," which was funny
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because it's free. I think it shows.
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- Oh, ha ha ha.
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Yeah, I haven't thought of that.
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Anyone can just watch it.
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- Yeah, if you've got an internet connection
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in any device, basically you can watch it.
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Even a laptop, you know, whatever.
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So a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about it.
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So yeah, she stepped in it.
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Another thing swirling around here is this idea
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that some stuff is only available on streaming
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and there are people who don't understand streaming
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or just want it on their TV like always,
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and those tend to be very non-technical people, obviously.
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This is part of the same conversation
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as the NFL finally having their first streaming-only game,
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which was Thursday nights on Amazon.
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That's streaming-only unless you're in the local market
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for the team, showing you, by the way,
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that the NFL is smart and demands that every game
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that's in a local market is shown on broadcast TV
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in that market, which only the NFL basically does.
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There are a few things here, like the whole purpose
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of Apple doing this, I think, is to get people
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to go through this process.
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Like the process of realizing you don't have Apple TV
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and how do you get it and what is it
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and do I have a device that supports it
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is sort of a point.
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They want more addressable people
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who are able to get to Apple TV
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and Apple TV Plus.
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And keeping in mind that's pretty much any computer
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'cause you can use the web
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and then obviously Apple devices
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and other connected boxes and TVs and stuff.
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But the goal is to like get everybody to say,
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well, how do I get this?
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Just like Amazon's goal is how do I get
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the NFL on Thursday nights?
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And the answer is you've got to become a Prime subscriber
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and get the hardware for it.
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And Amazon will sell you something
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'cause Amazon makes hardware for it, right?
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So it's all part of the point.
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I get why people are mad
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because it's a different way of doing it,
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but it is kind of the point.
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Now for something like the Aaron Judge home run,
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my guess, and I don't know this for sure,
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but like, also I wonder if the New York attorney general
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like has a friend at the Yes Network or something,
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'cause they're like, "Oh, well, you know, how dare they?
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Let's let the Yankees cable channel get it."
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Well, wait a second.
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First off, the Yankees cable channel,
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You have to pay for cable TV to get that.
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That's outrageous. You have to pay for that.
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I wonder, given that everybody's got, like,
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so many people have smartphones and computers
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on the Internet these days,
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is it more accessible on a cable channel
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than it would be free on the Internet?
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I'm not sure. It would just be different.
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And what they're saying is,
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"We're used to watching Yankees games on the 'Yes' network,
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so why can't we watch this one?"
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The answer is, because Apple paid Major League Baseball
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lot of money. That's the answer. If I were Apple and Major League Baseball, what I would
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probably do is have a wink-wink nudge-nudge conversation about maybe showing Aaron judges
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at bats on, I would say, MLB network, not on YES, but maybe it's the YES network, because
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that's going to be limited to the Yankees territory, that's their cable network. One
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of those, just as a way to give cover for this whole thing of being like, "Well, his
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at-bats will be on the Yes Network. If you want to see history, we'll let you see those.
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But everybody else is going to have to get it through Apple TV." So, I mean, my feeling
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is that I get that this is painful, but this is where the money is, and sports leagues
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want money. Sports leagues get money, they make the team ownership more valuable, which
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owners like, they give the teams money to pay the players which the players like. It's
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a money-making enterprise and right now Apple and Amazon and the like are able to pay more
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money for this stuff because they have an external motivation which is to increase their
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ecosystem by getting more people who are engaging with their platform, whatever it is. And you
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know the truth is Amazon got 13 million people to watch live their first Thursday Night Football
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broadcast and they had the they said the most prime signups in a three-hour
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period of all time on Thursday during the game and just before the game that's
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why they're doing this and that's why Apple is doing this because once you've
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got Apple TV watching that for free they can give you some other stuff for free
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they're gonna do some MLS games for free starting next year and now you hear
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about Ted Lasso or whatever and you're like oh yeah I did that Apple TV I know
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how to get that and you're sliding into the ecosystem that's why they do it so
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my feeling is that while I'm sympathetic always to local fans who are so
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used to watching their games on their local cable channels and especially the
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ones who are uncomfortable with the idea of doing streaming, my answer is not
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"yes we should give it to them the way they're accustomed because
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they don't want to change." My answer is the world is changing, you got to change.
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That's it. Bottom line, the world is changing and if you want to be a sports
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fan in the 2020s, guess what? Get used to streaming or get used to disappointment.
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Yeah, I kind of like, personally, I have no sympathy to this idea that, oh, a
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historic thing should happen in the place where it's always happened. No,
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I'm sorry, that's not how this works. Like, what, we all have to just accept that
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like this old cable channel must get every,
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like no, this isn't, right,
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like if it has to be that way,
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then these rights should never be allowed to be disputed,
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like to be sold to anybody else.
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Well they can be, so because they can be,
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you just have to move to wherever it is.
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Like this is, I know it sucks,
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but like sports are expensive,
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and like this is just what it's like these days,
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but hey, this one was free, so you know.
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- Yeah, yeah, that blunts the argument even more, right,
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that it's totally free.
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You just have to change.
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And it's like, I have some sympathy.
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I do because it's like you're asking people
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to change their habits.
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But there are limits to my sympathy, right?
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And at this point, if you're a baseball fan,
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or especially if you're an MLS fan, by the way,
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but if you're, you know, you just, you have to,
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you have to get with the times.
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This is just how it is.
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And the money is why they do it.
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And it's not Apple's fault.
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It's -- Major League Baseball took the money
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and then distributed it to all the teams
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because they liked the money for those games,
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and that's just -- that's just where we are.
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Now, I have, you know, criticisms of the way
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some companies have handled their sports rights
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in the streaming era.
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The biggest one here in America is that,
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if you're a fan of the English Premier League,
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NBC has the rights, and while most of the games
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are on their Peacock streaming service,
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they hold a couple of games and put them on cable TV,
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which means if you're a cord cutter,
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you can see all the Premier League games
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except the two best ones.
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And for that, you have to buy cable,
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which costs a fortune.
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But you know what?
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NBC's owned by the cable company.
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That's why they do it.
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So that's just, I don't love that,
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but that's where we are.
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And that's just the facts.
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And if you wanna get mad at somebody,
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I guess get mad at Major League Baseball
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and the owners of your teams,
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because they're the ones who prioritize money
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over everything else.
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They're why umpires have cryptocurrency logos
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on their jerseys.
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That's why there'll be ads on baseball jerseys next year,
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because of the money.
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They, the guy who runs Major League Baseball--
01:46:10
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- I gotta say, I didn't know this,
01:46:11
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that is hilarious to me that the referee's got ads
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before the teams. (laughs)
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- Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, last year.
01:46:17
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- Oh man, that's funny.
01:46:18
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- And the guy who runs Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred,
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He is a lawyer who was one of their chief negotiators
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in fighting against the union.
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And his charter from his owners is very simple,
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which is if there's any deal you can make
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that gives us more money, say yes.
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And so they've got official gambling partners now.
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And I'm not a fan of the commissioner.
01:46:46
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I think Major League Baseball is particularly craven.
01:46:49
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I actually think that making streaming deals is very low
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on the list of deals that they've made just for the money,
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but it's all on the list.
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So anyway, that's baseball talk.
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And generally, sports and streaming.
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Sports is valuable, and it's valuable to streamers.
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And so in this decade, if you're a fan of sports,
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you're gonna have to navigate
01:47:08
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all of the different streaming deals that are happening,
01:47:10
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because that's where the money is.
01:47:12
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And you know what?
01:47:13
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The rich people who own teams
01:47:15
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didn't get rich by not turning down.
01:47:18
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Well, it didn't get rich by turning down
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somebody handing them a big check.
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It's like, that's part of the rich person deal, I think,
01:47:25
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is like, hey, here's a deal
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where the world's most valuable company
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writes you a big check for a couple of your games every week.
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It's like, yeah, take the money.
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Take the money, Rob.
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- Greg asks, "With iOS 16 being released now,
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"is it close enough to release,
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"to upgrade to Ventura on my everyday Mac?
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"How is Ventura right now?"
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I think it's okay, there's still some quirks.
01:47:49
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I have had some, now that Audio Hijack from Rogue Amoeba
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works on it, there's still a few quirks here and there.
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It's still in beta.
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I don't know, I mean, you've waited this long.
01:48:00
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Part of my argument might be you've waited this long,
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you could wait a little bit longer
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for them to iron out some of the bugs.
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But I've also been using it for months now,
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and it doesn't feel particularly unstable.
01:48:11
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So if you wanted to do it, you'll probably be fine.
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Check to see what's compatible, et cetera, et cetera.
01:48:17
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the usual caveats apply,
01:48:19
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because a lot of your favorite developers
01:48:20
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are not focused on shipping that Mac update
01:48:23
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until day one of Ventura.
01:48:27
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So they may not be there in the beta.
01:48:30
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And if there are apps you care about,
01:48:32
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you should ask them, you know,
01:48:34
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ask them if they're compatible,
01:48:35
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ask if there's a test flight that you could get on
01:48:37
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to use the beta that is compatible.
01:48:39
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But in terms of day-to-day kind of use,
01:48:42
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I've had no issues really with Ventura for months.
01:48:46
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- Yeah, I feel like Mac OS is like for developer support,
01:48:51
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for app support, a little bit more precarious than iOS.
01:48:55
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Just because you could be using many more apps
01:48:59
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that just don't work anymore because of some security change
01:49:03
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or some change of some kind.
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Like it just feels like because software's been around
01:49:06
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for way longer on the Mac, like maybe you're relying
01:49:09
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on something that needs some updating, some tweaking.
01:49:13
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I always wait, like Mac OS, I know why you do it,
01:49:16
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you write a review, but like for me, I never put macOS
01:49:19
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on my machines.
01:49:21
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- Yep, totally get it.
01:49:22
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- I'm going to install Ventura on day one on my MacBook Air,
01:49:27
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because I'm really excited about stage manager.
01:49:31
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I'm like, can't wait.
01:49:32
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I know it's like not a thing you're used to hearing
01:49:35
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these days, but like I cannot wait for stage manager
01:49:38
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I think it's gonna be really great for the way I do my work,
01:49:41
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but I'm gonna hold off like maybe a few extra days,
01:49:43
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maybe a week or two before I put it on my production recording and editing computer
01:49:50
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because I just want to make sure everything is 100% before I do that. It's also a big
01:49:57
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hassle and it's the machine that I really don't want anything to go wrong on. It's
01:50:02
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why I would usually wait a whole release before upgrading because it was fine. But if I do
01:50:10
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actually come to really enjoy Sage Manager on the Mac, I will want it on this machine
01:50:14
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a lot too. As well as just my kind of like daily work machine as well. But yeah, I agree
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with Jason, if you've gotten to the end of September, just keep waiting, just wait. Just
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wait. You're so close. Just wait. We would love your Ask Upgrade questions. If you would
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