The Incomparable

266: It`s Impossible Being Green

 

  it's the incomparable episode number 266 [TS]

  for october 2015 [TS]

  Kermit the Frog is not here but it is [TS]

  the uncomfortable podcast and we are [TS]

  talking about the muppets i am your host [TS]

  Jason snow and i'm joined by for money [TS]

  people to talk about Muppets in general [TS]

  we will touch on the ABC Muppets series [TS]

  and specific a little bit but then we're [TS]

  going to move along past and I think [TS]

  because there will be blood on the [TS]

  tracks and we'll just move along nothing [TS]

  more to see there but we will touch on [TS]

  it a little bit because you gotta have a [TS]

  news pic you gotta have some little [TS]

  connection to to current events it's fun [TS]

  and that's why we're doing this right [TS]

  now let me introduce you to my panelists [TS]

  David lower hello neighbor [TS]

  hello urn filled Michaels is out there [TS]

  hello Phillip Michaels I like to think [TS]

  of myself as the Fozzie Bear of this [TS]

  podcast I cannot do 40 interesting [TS]

  because we like to think of you as the [TS]

  scooter [TS]

  you take that back you bastard I [TS]

  apologize I didn't mean it [TS]

  scooter is the most superfluous of all [TS]

  of the muppets there's no Muppet more [TS]

  useless than skater any how we're [TS]

  getting you over so we will get saved [TS]

  for the podcast what was it is the [TS]

  pockets and admitted at least the [TS]

  Schmeisser is also with us hello hi [TS]

  there [TS]

  I've always felt an affinity for Janice [TS]

  are oh wow like well now I feel like [TS]

  that's basically my country's most [TS]

  conversations that wow man and Erica and [TS]

  sign I I was also going to mention [TS]

  Janice but Lisa went first and there's [TS]

  enough Janice to go around man [TS]

  not only that leaves you with a choice [TS]

  of two characters i believe ya the vast [TS]

  array of female Muppets there's Miss [TS]

  Piggy now yeah sooo big issue other pigs [TS]

  are also available [TS]

  alright so we should talk about the new [TS]

  ABC show The Muppets whereas we record [TS]

  this two episodes have aired and I that [TS]

  was that is the reason that I time this [TS]

  episode be here although this was on the [TS]

  schedule for quite a while even before [TS]

  they announced they were doing a new [TS]

  Muppet Show because I felt like we need [TS]

  to give them up it's their do as it is [TS]

  there is this new show on ABC that is [TS]

  run code run by the one of the [TS]

  co-creators of the big bang theory it is [TS]

  a shot in the style of the office [TS]

  a workplace sitcom featuring the muppets [TS]

  as they work on Miss Piggy's late-night [TS]

  talk show so two episodes you know who [TS]

  knows what will happen in the run of the [TS]

  show or if it is cancelled rapidly then [TS]

  nothing will happen but i'm curious what [TS]

  everybody thought of it I have I have [TS]

  very mixed feelings about it and I think [TS]

  I suspect some of you have not mixed the [TS]

  feelings but I let's start with a just [TS]

  taking the temperature of this before we [TS]

  move on and talk about some other money [TS]

  things [TS]

  Lisa why don't you why don't you let us [TS]

  know what are your thoughts start us off [TS]

  about the new ABC Muppets series haha [TS]

  look like wow man it's not but it's not [TS]

  that sounded more like my best shows I [TS]

  should apologize to listings for what [TS]

  I've Unleashed um it's just so sad [TS]

  um there's a court so i think i was a [TS]

  lot of said public schools and it's I'm [TS]

  because you know the thing that I really [TS]

  loved about the nineteen seventies show [TS]

  was the spirit of cheerful mayhem and [TS]

  blinds purposefulness as it were like [TS]

  all of these guys were deeply devoted to [TS]

  pulling off this crappy little show and [TS]

  they really love doing it was obvious [TS]

  that's why there and instead everybody [TS]

  here is working for a domineering boss [TS]

  that they all hate there's some sort of [TS]

  weird stockholm syndrome thing going on [TS]

  comments girlfriend looks like she [TS]

  should she shouldn't have a southern [TS]

  accent I feel very strongly about that I [TS]

  feel like since she looks like natalie [TS]

  dormer from Game of Thrones she should [TS]

  sound like her do um so I appreciate [TS]

  that they're trying to bring in some of [TS]

  the elements like that the cranky [TS]

  celebrity cameos like I laughed at the [TS]

  laurence fishburne bits [TS]

  oh yeah the problem is that they've [TS]

  attempted to revive and work we work [TS]

  this show at a time when the people who [TS]

  are most susceptible to nostalgia can [TS]

  still readily remember what the original [TS]

  Muppet Show was like and it doesn't sit [TS]

  right with me i'm wondering if my [TS]

  reaction is purely because I do remember [TS]

  the original Muppet Show and I respond [TS]

  to that and people who maybe grew up on [TS]

  YouTube clips or not seen the original [TS]

  Muppet Show were like no this is awesome [TS]

  I've always dreamed of Puppets having [TS]

  work like workplace conflict and last [TS]

  ABC is dead [TS]

  yes if Papa 10 jobs wouldn't they also [TS]

  have soul-crushing problems with their [TS]

  jobs you know where that exactly [TS]

  David what are your thoughts about the [TS]

  ABC Muppets not mixed it all [TS]

  no I didn't think they would be now no I [TS]

  like my feelings about the muppets like [TS]

  I like my bourbon straight [TS]

  uh-huh little splash of water maybe two [TS]

  maybe [TS]

  yeah 22 to cut the edge yeah it is [TS]

  depressing [TS]

  I mean that that's the thing is the [TS]

  original show yet maybe it wasn't the [TS]

  greatest variety show ever made and [TS]

  that's why you had Statler and Waldorf [TS]

  and but but with Kermit in charge it was [TS]

  ok for piggy to be an absolute monster [TS]

  right but when you flip that dynamic [TS]

  you're kind of killing permits joy and [TS]

  and and no matter how bleak things got [TS]

  when when when Jim Henson was there i [TS]

  mean when no matter whose bleep things [TS]

  got in the movies or the show there was [TS]

  always this essential optimism even when [TS]

  Kermit was down he wasn't beaten and [TS]

  ever since jim hansen passed away [TS]

  it's kind of interesting psychologically [TS]

  Kermit has always been a little bit [TS]

  depressed but in this he's beaten down [TS]

  I mean in the pilot he says my life is a [TS]

  bacon-wrapped hell yes and in in the [TS]

  second episode he talks about how he [TS]

  doesn't know he now that piggy is happy [TS]

  and dating Josh Groban hehe doesn't wake [TS]

  up he wakes up in the morning to his [TS]

  alarm clock instead of his own screening [TS]

  yep and and get house is really [TS]

  disturbing wide what the hell you know [TS]

  and and subscribers laughing because I [TS]

  can understand that [TS]

  why the big why is this acceptable to [TS]

  have current waking up to the sound of [TS]

  screens and and so it's it's not so much [TS]

  that it's got adult humor because them [TS]

  up it's always had little adult besides [TS]

  and jokes that's fine maybe it's it's a [TS]

  little more crude than it used to be but [TS]

  no for me it's that there's no joy there [TS]

  is no optimism and there's no magic you [TS]

  know seeing their legs is not magic I [TS]

  was got more of a sense of magic even [TS]

  when you can see the rods moving [TS]

  currents arms right because there was a [TS]

  safe to him and and this is just dead i [TS]

  think david really hit the nail on the [TS]

  head with the concept of joy it is a [TS]

  joyless show ya get it there that it it [TS]

  is as if everyone and and it's [TS]

  interesting that let me back up the the [TS]

  a big bang theory fellow you mentioned [TS]

  he actually got to start working with [TS]

  Network for jim hansen he worked for jim [TS]

  has already know and i can only assume [TS]

  that they sent him out for sandwiches a [TS]

  lot because he he seems to have it in [TS]

  airlifted to okay here's a puppet show [TS]

  go at it well let's make the puppet sad [TS]

  and joyless and what's too much big bang [TS]

  theory pneus yeah yeah and i'm not i [TS]

  don't wanna go [TS]

  you can't have the muppets do that [TS]

  that's not Muppet canon but sounds like [TS]

  San Diego a little bit i mean the real [TS]

  san diego not the one who is in the show [TS]

  it to me if you're gonna if you're gonna [TS]

  do a show and call it in [TS]

  Muppets at least um have it somewhat [TS]

  have a vein running towards what made [TS]

  them up it's so great which is was that [TS]

  anarchic a spirit and that lets do [TS]

  anything for a laugh and instead of just [TS]

  oh and yeah it's it's anarchy is [TS]

  supposed to mean spirited slapstick yeah [TS]

  yeah I mean spirited yeah you and and [TS]

  the old shell Kermit was sort of the [TS]

  column in center and in here he is that [TS]

  he slashed he is the black joyless pit [TS]

  from which nothing can escape and and [TS]

  he's just as freaked out as everybody [TS]

  else it is it it's not easy being green [TS]

  it is impossible being green lord anyhow [TS]

  I don't like it I don't like it a bit i [TS]

  don't like a thing about it i hope that [TS]

  it gets cancelled very quickly if i stop [TS]

  thinking about the fact that this is [TS]

  supposed to be the muppets I like I was [TS]

  mildly entertained by parts of it I [TS]

  didn't think it was was terrible but [TS]

  when I think about that show in in [TS]

  comparison to the rest of the the muppet [TS]

  cannon I i find it hard to disagree i [TS]

  think that that while there were some [TS]

  moments that kind of made me laugh [TS]

  the thing that I liked about it so much [TS]

  was that the Muppets were there was a [TS]

  knee [TS]

  they were wacky [TS]

  you and they're there isn't any of that [TS]

  here and I think kind of what they did [TS]

  it's actually this is this is me using [TS]

  my own my contractual obligation to [TS]

  mention doctor who write this particular [TS]

  one reminds me [TS]

  it sort of reminds me a little bit in a [TS]

  bad way of the the difference between [TS]

  classic Doctor Who and new Doctor Who [TS]

  and the classic series of Doctor Who [TS]

  they weren't really focused on the [TS]

  interpersonal relationships and stuff it [TS]

  was more about the plot and the stories [TS]

  and you know whiz-bang fun and when they [TS]

  brought the show back they realize that [TS]

  television is not quite made the same as [TS]

  it was back in those days so they needed [TS]

  to update it and to make it a little bit [TS]

  more like television is made these days [TS]

  and I think what they did on doctor who [TS]

  is they [TS]

  they upped the the hope and the joy and [TS]

  the love factors very much and brought [TS]

  in the the emotions in that way and I [TS]

  think they kind of did the opposite with [TS]

  the muppets because they took out all of [TS]

  the emotions that made everything [TS]

  wonderful and in their idea of the way [TS]

  television is made now is is that [TS]

  everything is is you know joyless and in [TS]

  hipstery and just unfun and dark and and [TS]

  I think that they they missed the mark [TS]

  well you when you when you model it on [TS]

  the office a show which is about a [TS]

  terrible boss crushing the spirit of [TS]

  people who cannot find other jobs and [TS]

  are forced to deal with the terrible [TS]

  boss you are that is what you're signing [TS]

  up for and and that's when I say my [TS]

  feelings are actually kind of like [TS]

  Erica's actually I i thought the show [TS]

  was funny and I i like the Muppets as [TS]

  characters because they're the muppets [TS]

  right and yet there is this thing about [TS]

  it that i'm not convinced that they [TS]

  couldn't fix if they are aware that it [TS]

  what they're doing and I think that's [TS]

  the big open question is are they aware [TS]

  of how this is coming off and they're [TS]

  like oh god we gotta fix this or like [TS]

  now it's great [TS]

  let's just keep it like it is because I [TS]

  understand the first two episodes are [TS]

  very much largely the content of the of [TS]

  the sample reel that they shot in order [TS]

  to sell this name because that's the [TS]

  stuff shop stuff that stops me up short [TS]

  and it makes me go wait a second is that [TS]

  you compare it to who these characters [TS]

  are in your you're making the show [TS]

  because you've got these existing [TS]

  characters and your kind of banking on [TS]

  them and people have them [TS]

  clarity with them and their kind of [TS]

  loved and then you are putting them in a [TS]

  sitcom environment where it might even [TS]

  be a funny sitcom and we can argue about [TS]

  that if we cared to that I it worked for [TS]

  me as comedy while a lot of the time but [TS]

  you're doing things to these characters [TS]

  that don't fit them and you know I i [TS]

  mentioned this on the TV talk machine [TS]

  last week and i'll mention it again [TS]

  which is I I know Kermit and piggy were [TS]

  married and they were dating and that [TS]

  implies a romantic relationship that we [TS]

  could apply to like human context it's [TS]

  like they always stayed on one side of [TS]

  the line and on this show their of way [TS]

  over on the other side of the line where [TS]

  I'm suddenly having wondering about like [TS]

  the sex life of Kermit the Frog and you [TS]

  know Gotye childhood that was my child I [TS]

  don't want to know that common piggy had [TS]

  an understanding that if comet ran into [TS]

  Lea Thompson in elevator they could do [TS]

  it I don't need to know that right [TS]

  that's you but now you know but now I [TS]

  know and it's and that's when it's [TS]

  something that wasn't going to stop [TS]

  yeah well yeah it's too it's too it's [TS]

  too far so it's like this is the problem [TS]

  with it is that I i can say as somebody [TS]

  who actually thinks that the show is is [TS]

  entertaining that it's still deeply [TS]

  problematic because they're been there [TS]

  like squandering the the value that they [TS]

  have which is the reason they're making [TS]

  the show which is the fact that it's the [TS]

  muppets at some point it's like why why [TS]

  isn't this the avenue q show because [TS]

  maybe it would be better if they were [TS]

  wacky puppets that work work quite the [TS]

  muppets that you were seeing in these [TS]

  scenarios like in Avenue Q and not the [TS]

  actual Muppets my headcanon is that [TS]

  there is actually another Muppet Show [TS]

  that's kind of behind this one that's [TS]

  the real Muppet Show and this this [TS]

  office e-type thing is just something [TS]

  that they signed on to do because they [TS]

  knew is going to make the money so this [TS]

  is the enterprise that they are working [TS]

  on now to make money and television but [TS]

  there still are wacky crazy people when [TS]

  they get off of this particular set i [TS]

  just want to see that show that's kind [TS]

  of the middle there instead Kermit I [TS]

  think I think I think Phil's got it [TS]

  exactly right said Kermit is sad and [TS]

  permit you know Kermit was always put [TS]

  upon but he will [TS]

  is like a go-getter he's like I'm gonna [TS]

  make it work right and it and even if he [TS]

  had got really down like in The Muppet [TS]

  movie there would be a moment where he [TS]

  would turn it around and in this he is [TS]

  just so soon as always [TS]

  hey kids let's put on a show in the [TS]

  shower and we'll just put it all [TS]

  together a little worried that his [TS]

  friends and rally around him because [TS]

  that was like one of the greatest things [TS]

  about all of the muppet properties is at [TS]

  some point the cheerful Anarchy pauses [TS]

  dr. teeth and the Electric Mayhem look [TS]

  up and realize that they make people's [TS]

  lives more difficult or gonzo puts down [TS]

  the chicken and and pays attention to [TS]

  what's going on with these two one [TS]

  sexual fetish that was allowed to the [TS]

  original money pit was gonna throw in [TS]

  the chickens we need to enter like we [TS]

  need to rally around karma and help our [TS]

  friend because of what and it was this [TS]

  great example of how friendship is this [TS]

  this beautiful self was Evan flow [TS]

  depending on on your needs and and what [TS]

  you're capable of doing the time and [TS]

  here like every every month is like a [TS]

  little coworker island and that they got [TS]

  in some parts of workplace culture kind [TS]

  of right like I really I i thought the [TS]

  barbarous like the girl scout cookies [TS]

  thing was slow but that was well down [TS]

  yeah it was not you know especially in [TS]

  the newscaster came and there is little [TS]

  and then they finally realize that if we [TS]

  sell snacks to the stoners will make a [TS]

  lot of money which that's a nice little [TS]

  thing and that almost legal it's legal [TS]

  now I i laughed a lot of the idea that [TS]

  they were going to do the Electric [TS]

  Mayhem unplugged the idea of the [TS]

  acoustic mayhem that made me laugh [TS]

  it's when you see zoo playing the the [TS]

  panpipes and you're like oh my gosh is [TS]

  that they really went through there were [TS]

  parts of the episode that would have [TS]

  been really funny if the show had again [TS]

  that spirit of joyful chaotic prints to [TS]

  an opportunity of of sadness that you [TS]

  know you're miserable and yeah it's also [TS]

  all chopped up right [TS]

  the the beauty of the Muppet Show and [TS]

  even Muppets tonight was that they let [TS]

  things breathe and and they let a [TS]

  premise play right and this this was [TS]

  just like oh here's a quick shot of them [TS]

  playing acoustic here's another shot [TS]

  name go to the National advocate though [TS]

  it's 2015 i don't think they can make [TS]

  puppets tonight of the muppet show today [TS]

  so they have to have to put it it you [TS]

  know to use erika storm gotta put in a [TS]

  modern context it's just what you do in [TS]

  the modern context and you're right you [TS]

  know there's no room for that [TS]

  i think the the one thing that killed me [TS]

  was the kids pointed out i mean i didn't [TS]

  have the same kind of awareness when I [TS]

  was little because you didn't have the [TS]

  computers in YouTube and everything [TS]

  right so I knew Johnny Carson was but at [TS]

  that time you just had Johnny Carson [TS]

  where is now thanks to youtube they know [TS]

  all of this stuff so they're sitting [TS]

  there going a late-night talk show [TS]

  there's so many of them who cares right [TS]

  because they they can watch Seth Meyers [TS]

  and Conan and colbert and James Corden I [TS]

  don't know I didn't lie i did like yeah [TS]

  but the fact that picky the only female [TS]

  host on late-night TV that was a bad [TS]

  really only clever thing about that i [TS]

  love that that said it's also kind of [TS]

  contextually hilarious given that [TS]

  there's still no substantial female [TS]

  Muppets beyond picky in jannah that [TS]

  seems like a more more appropriate [TS]

  context than a vaudeville theater right [TS]

  i mean i feel like it's it's not it's [TS]

  not the worst [TS]

  what's the most popular show on NBC [TS]

  america's got talent you could do that [TS]

  kind of show with Muppets judging and [TS]

  Muppets performing and and special [TS]

  guests performing that would work just [TS]

  fine it'll be in your pitch in five [TS]

  years yeah when they have to reboot it [TS]

  alright I I feel like we should now not [TS]

  dwell on the ABCs Muppets let's go and [TS]

  talk about the muppets that were [TS]

  available in many other things films TV [TS]

  series other things to talk about [TS]

  wish we were should we start with that [TS]

  should we start with that I guess we [TS]

  should start with a muppet show should [TS]

  we are or filled you want to talk about [TS]

  the saturday night live season 1 Muppets [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  no no no nobody wants to talk about the [TS]

  red that that wasn't old either [TS]

  no it was very bad the muppet show so I [TS]

  i have as I assume everybody has fond [TS]

  memories of the muppet show i also have [TS]

  a memory of saying that i wanted the [TS]

  soundtrack to the muppet movie and my [TS]

  mom bought me the soundtrack to the [TS]

  muppet show which was not as good as the [TS]

  Sun mother but but the the muppet show [TS]

  can I just say I'm really frustrated by [TS]

  the fact that this stuff is not widely [TS]

  available online streaming i know there [TS]

  i think i think there are dvds of it but [TS]

  it's like I want the hot and cold [TS]

  running Muppets man i want to [TS]

  I want to be able to watch all those [TS]

  classic muppet show episodes and I [TS]

  believe they're nowhere right now I [TS]

  wonder how much of that is the fact that [TS]

  Disney owns it and disney tends to be [TS]

  standing I i feel you know what it puts [TS]

  out because they they want the big they [TS]

  want the big money grab not the not the [TS]

  constant flow of little money and just [TS]

  who's buying dvds now right [TS]

  well i also wonder about music rights [TS]

  for some of these things too that maybe [TS]

  yep because it seems like getting [TS]

  clearance and all of the songs at all [TS]

  the guests performed might be a bit [TS]

  tricky so how was the muppet show the [TS]

  introduction for everybody or were other [TS]

  people introduced to the muppets in [TS]

  other ways [TS]

  I mean Sesame Street aside because i [TS]

  can't ya a sesame street with Kermit you [TS]

  know Kermit and big bird and [TS]

  snuffleupagus actually when I was a [TS]

  little kid watching the live a sad [TS]

  Muppet story [TS]

  oh no when I was a little hook and [TS]

  watching the from Sesame Street I was I [TS]

  was an only child at the time when I was [TS]

  very little and say I thought that [TS]

  Bernie were my best friends and I used [TS]

  to talk to the television apparently I'm [TS]

  told so just sit there and talking I [TS]

  guess I thought they were talking back [TS]

  to me and and one year my parents took [TS]

  me to see Sesame Street Live which if [TS]

  you don't know is a stage show that [TS]

  travels around has you know big Muppets [TS]

  onstage and size call it a lie with so [TS]

  excited was gonna be the greatest night [TS]

  of my life so so we went before the show [TS]

  started some of the Muppets were roaming [TS]

  around the audience and you know waving [TS]

  to kids and shaking hands and star now [TS]

  and and Ernie was walking past us you [TS]

  know kind of kind of nearest US and I [TS]

  called out to him because he was my best [TS]

  friend in the whole wide world and was [TS]

  like Ernie earning its me and he just [TS]

  walked on and it was the saddest day of [TS]

  my little life [TS]

  hey yeah the show was not so great after [TS]

  that I i know i still haven't quite [TS]

  gotten over it so yeah that was my [TS]

  introduction of the muppets was a sesame [TS]

  street and then discovering they didn't [TS]

  love me as much as I love them you walk [TS]

  past when he heard you cry he went on [TS]

  Queen would God's gonna answer letters [TS]

  Erica okay so they're Sesame Street mean [TS]

  right that's that that's how they get [TS]

  you early as they get you early with the [TS]

  sesame street I wasn't here [TS]

  really confuses a small child is to my [TS]

  current would be on both Sesame Street [TS]

  in the muppet show because to me like [TS]

  why did he abandoned his friends on [TS]

  Sesame Street for these people was going [TS]

  because I was like five or six at the [TS]

  time it was terribly disjointed to [TS]

  because I I are they replacing Burton no [TS]

  no baby doing artwork [TS]

  let me explain the market universe to [TS]

  you Lisa get turned on the head can [TS]

  America here we go guys [TS]

  mm-hmm kerman lived on Sesame Street his [TS]

  job was at the Muppet Theater which was [TS]

  clearly in New York because of all the [TS]

  big celebrities that would drop by at [TS]

  the puppet theater and you know his his [TS]

  newsman gig that was how he originally [TS]

  made his his name for himself and then [TS]

  he broadened out into being a variety [TS]

  show host Melissa legitimate theater [TS]

  yeah interesting theory and so that's [TS]

  that it all makes sense when you think [TS]

  of as a kid I was very confused by the [TS]

  muppet show because I didn't have any [TS]

  idea who any of the celebrities were now [TS]

  that you know for me it was the show [TS]

  that's on like saturday at four in the [TS]

  afternoon it's just me watching it's not [TS]

  the parents or anything like that [TS]

  I I understand now that was made in [TS]

  england and it was syndicated in the US [TS]

  and perhaps in some markets in some [TS]

  places maybe even in England it was [TS]

  shown at a time when parents and [TS]

  children might be watching it together [TS]

  but to me I was just you know it was a [TS]

  show i watched as a kid and I had no [TS]

  idea who these grown-ups are to a point [TS]

  that now whenever they show and then and [TS]

  they always do some celebrity and say [TS]

  hey they were on the Muppet Show and [TS]

  i'll be like I have no idea i had no [TS]

  idea the muppet show even though i've [TS]

  seen every episode of The Muppet Show [TS]

  because your kid you don't know who you [TS]

  know these celebrities are you want to [TS]

  start a muppet movie had no idea who Bob [TS]

  Hope was or so you were Alice Cooper was [TS]

  no but that was only because my parents [TS]

  are in Wisconsin is that the John Denver [TS]

  Muppet relationship which was a long and [TS]

  printed unfruitful everybody was a [TS]

  closeted Muppet that's what ya don't [TS]

  know not a closeted not so closet now [TS]

  he's young I mean everybody knew you [TS]

  know but they didn't talk about it was [TS]

  that new synthetic skin now instead of [TS]

  felt Don't Ask Don't felt no it was that [TS]

  deeply can because my mom is a John [TS]

  Denver family I was a very small child [TS]

  and so finally when he came a house like [TS]

  okay if John Denver's on the muppets [TS]

  then clearly this is ok [TS]

  this is this is a safe space and then he [TS]

  did a Christmas special that i still try [TS]

  to find on youtube from time to time [TS]

  because the twelve days of Christmas is [TS]

  a genuinely funny Jim genuinely funny [TS]

  takedown but I didn't like Jason I [TS]

  didn't know these people were um I [TS]

  didn't realize that Harry Belafonte [TS]

  didn't stand a series of of what were [TS]

  considered fairly radical songs i mean i [TS]

  just really like the beat and it's not [TS]

  like we go back and review clips and we [TS]

  realized oh my gosh thats really dark [TS]

  it's a symphony made of babies and their [TS]

  change much but there but they're great [TS]

  they're so funny [TS]

  it's just that there's also a ton of [TS]

  background jokes and that's another [TS]

  thing that I feel is kind of you know [TS]

  that the contrast between us the show on [TS]

  ABC looks beautiful like the [TS]

  cinematography is very crisp [TS]

  oh yeah and it feels very modern and [TS]

  very fresh and very expensive [TS]

  I'm very impressed by the technical [TS]

  aspect of the fact that it's not like a [TS]

  fake documentary and sometimes they do [TS]

  shots and I'm like wow that must have [TS]

  been very hard to do because those are [TS]

  puppets every i find myself wondering a [TS]

  lot about the composition of the shots [TS]

  but i miss the background details in the [TS]

  doctor marginalia where you'd have like [TS]

  three penguins time bow ties in the [TS]

  background well there are some amazing [TS]

  bits i would say in episode 2 of the ABC [TS]

  series where especially sweetums is [TS]

  doing something in the background see [TS]

  focus and I don't even I wasn't even [TS]

  paying attention to what was happening [TS]

  in the foreground because I was like [TS]

  what is Sweden two doing back there [TS]

  there so there's a little bit of that I [TS]

  think they're making the attempt but [TS]

  it's harder with it technically yeah [TS]

  where is the idea that baroque trying to [TS]

  set dressing in the mothers show [TS]

  especially that's like every little [TS]

  corner of the muppet show had something [TS]

  to pause for a second to tell you about [TS]

  our sponsor if if if that's okay with [TS]

  everybody feeling when you drink [TS]

  encounter details untold is our sponsor [TS]

  again and you know we're talking about [TS]

  things that kids like like the macho and [TS]

  and then we watched his kids and you [TS]

  know there's a lot of good at Kids [TS]

  Entertainment there's a lot of terrible [TS]

  kids entertainment out there between [TS]

  characters say map [TS]

  say it say map I don't know what i'm [TS]

  talking about that music lots of ads [TS]

  that's not what you get with tails and [TS]

  told tales and told as a nap it features [TS]

  original episodic audio stories for [TS]

  young children that's right I'm talking [TS]

  about podcast for kids but there are [TS]

  things that will not make the ears of [TS]

  the parents believe there are horrible [TS]

  squeaky voices and super annoying [TS]

  characters say map [TS]

  I'm absolutely no ads you can feel good [TS]

  about kids listening every tale is [TS]

  organized in seasons and episodes just [TS]

  like TV shows there are new seasons and [TS]

  new tales added regularly I I check this [TS]

  out and I the one that caught my [TS]

  interest was something called red bird [TS]

  which is about a monster and I i think [TS]

  it is it slight disappointment to his [TS]

  parents because he's really bad at being [TS]

  bad he's terrible at being terrible he's [TS]

  like a you know he needs to work on his [TS]

  monster game a little bit and it's very [TS]

  sweet and funny and I've got a bunch of [TS]

  other things they've got a got us a spy [TS]

  sort of related show they've got a magic [TS]

  treasure chest called trunkshow they've [TS]

  got at the show involving a i'm abby [TS]

  grudgingly friendly forest gnome you [TS]

  know gnomes they are always if friendly [TS]

  at all it is but grudgingly called [TS]

  trouble with wishes there's a whole [TS]

  bunch of different stories that you can [TS]

  get on tails and told it's an app it's [TS]

  free it comes loaded with the first [TS]

  episode of every tale and then if you [TS]

  find one you like you can go to the [TS]

  parents own inside the app and buy a [TS]

  season for just 2 99 so learn more about [TS]

  tales are told and check out those [TS]

  episodes for free and download the app [TS]

  here's where you go tails untold dot-com [TS]

  / and comfortable thank you two tails [TS]

  untold for sponsoring this week's [TS]

  episode with the incomparable I'm I'm [TS]

  rather partial to the spy-1 myself hmm [TS]

  very nice what we're talking about TV [TS]

  shows because i also want to touch on [TS]

  the Muppet movies because that's very [TS]

  very important aspect of you must its [TS]

  franchise i want to mention Muppets [TS]

  tonight which aired on ABC in the [TS]

  nineties people forget about the show [TS]

  disney to maybe two films point disney [TS]

  seems to have done a very good job of [TS]

  burying the show it and us unfortunately [TS]

  it seems now like its biggest claim to [TS]

  fame is that that's where Pepe the prawn [TS]

  was introduced and lambobo i believe ya [TS]

  yes I will I again it was I haven't seen [TS]

  it since it was on the nineties but i [TS]

  loved it in the nineties there's [TS]

  somebody is my mid-twenties I thought [TS]

  Muppets tonight was a really great kind [TS]

  of updated take on the Muppet Show and I [TS]

  I thought it was great [TS]

  I was very sad that it didn't last very [TS]

  long and that we have not been able to [TS]

  see it since then I thought it was [TS]

  really great like the original it [TS]

  managed to work in sitcom like running [TS]

  stories later the episode while still [TS]

  being able to do the things that the [TS]

  muppets did best [TS]

  yeah i'm told by the chatroom that it's [TS]

  on youtube as with everything that's not [TS]

  available anywhere by ABC didn't know [TS]

  where to put it didn't fit with any of [TS]

  the shows they had on at the time they [TS]

  buried it on friday night with all the [TS]

  full house and stuff about to get with [TS]

  not tons of it not to be Erica at her [TS]

  own game but I'm gonna I'm gonna make a [TS]

  slight doctor who reference here in the [TS]

  sense that in England I know because [TS]

  doctor who is this [TS]

  there's this concept of family [TS]

  programming and it's not children's [TS]

  programming and it's not adults [TS]

  programming something for the whole [TS]

  family to watch and put it on at seven [TS]

  in the evening or 630 or something like [TS]

  that and i think this is one of the [TS]

  problems with the muppets in general and [TS]

  we may be seeing it reflected in the [TS]

  muppet show that's on the a B on on ABC [TS]

  right now which is we kind of don't have [TS]

  a place and Muppets tonight was exactly [TS]

  that for the show that it's not like [TS]

  your regular sitcom it is it does have [TS]

  this kind of innocence enjoy about it a [TS]

  little bit and I feel like maybe [TS]

  American television or at least the [TS]

  broadcast networks have no idea what to [TS]

  do with something with that tone and [TS]

  some of its tonight got lost because it [TS]

  wasn't circle [TS]

  yeah and I mean he was also a musket [TS]

  strange late but again and then won [TS]

  america's got talent has kinda I mean [TS]

  it's still in full of adult jokes to and [TS]

  and the things that fly over its head [TS]

  but my kids love it and then we want [TS]

  your best time ever which is I think [TS]

  aiming for that kind of fun it that is [TS]

  awful but when you have a reality show [TS]

  is what you're going to say and maybe I [TS]

  don't know maybe we need neil patrick [TS]

  harris with Muppets maybe that will also [TS]

  a muppet people know that Muppet yeah [TS]

  and after every night from it when I was [TS]

  little I I knew the muppets before the [TS]

  muppet show because of sesame street but [TS]

  also because I lived with my [TS]

  grandparents my mom and I lived with my [TS]

  grandparents were also moments they were [TS]

  Muppets to well-balanced museum come on [TS]

  and they but they watched everything [TS]

  they watched all the Bob Hope specials [TS]

  every every couple months on NBC and all [TS]

  you know so i got the steady diet of who [TS]

  all of these people were and i would [TS]

  also get the the story wall they lived [TS]

  in virginia in the fifties when Kermit [TS]

  made his debut on salmon friends on the [TS]

  local TV station i got the whole history [TS]

  of government and Jim Henson and how he [TS]

  became this thing that was on the Jimmy [TS]

  Dean show with Ralph in the sixties and [TS]

  you know all of this stuff so when the [TS]

  muppet show came along was so of course [TS]

  we're all going to sit and watch this [TS]

  this is brilliant requested from the [TS]

  chat room to also mention Fraggle Rock [TS]

  I never saw Franco other mother doesn't [TS]

  other models for it but I like the theme [TS]

  song it's a very good things yes it is a [TS]

  very catchy we didn't have HBO so I [TS]

  absolutely miss the window for that [TS]

  Fraggle Rock was not a good TV program [TS]

  all right through your article we [TS]

  mentioned it's okay [TS]

  chatroom glad you're getting an allergy [TS]

  any other thoughts about about other [TS]

  Muppet Muppet TV shows and all that I [TS]

  mean I just want to put in that shout [TS]

  out from up its night my phone numbers [TS]

  of it was sad when I received the jim [TS]

  henson television our on NBC [TS]

  no no everything's storytelling [TS]

  restricted or the storytellers wonderful [TS]

  i love i have have the complete series [TS]

  understand that you can watch on netflix [TS]

  or at least you could for a while [TS]

  yeah the the jim henson television our [TS]

  was like I think that was the last [TS]

  project he worked on and it was it was [TS]

  trying to blend Muppets with computer [TS]

  animation and all these findings it's a [TS]

  just a put a muppet in a blender talk [TS]

  about the sad mother yeah it's it's it's [TS]

  like mike nesmith elephant parts it's [TS]

  weird right and it's hosted by kermit [TS]

  and some other Muppet who has been wiped [TS]

  from existence [TS]

  I think his name was pixel or something [TS]

  like that he had sort of like a freaky [TS]

  I don't know he was Green and had things [TS]

  coming out of his head and looked all [TS]

  computery and it was odd i mean you [TS]

  could look at it and go well that's [TS]

  really creative stuff but it's not [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  I want to watch it but good job media [TS]

  outlets being disappeared like it's some [TS]

  sort of South American dictatorship [TS]

  reminded all of the night like a team as [TS]

  argon says chickens Kicks down your door [TS]

  and throw a bag over the muppets had [TS]

  never to be seen the galaxy gonzo as a [TS]

  South American dick [TS]

  and I think that would suit him that [TS]

  would be brilliant gonzo and moon over [TS]

  Parador i was seeking God's on the Vita [TS]

  really [TS]

  mm so um movie Muppet movies we've got [TS]

  the right we got the range of them from [TS]

  The Muppet movie through the muppets [TS]

  take manhattan and then there are many [TS]

  many other mother movies and then there [TS]

  was the the jason segel Muppet movie and [TS]

  its sequel Phil I know you have a lot of [TS]

  opinions about movies with much would [TS]

  you like to talk about that that now [TS]

  well cher iiiiii I worry that i'm giving [TS]

  the impression that I'm overly negative [TS]

  on the muppets tonight with no Fraggle [TS]

  Rock suck booing my I'm angry but you [TS]

  know I think I have a certain idea of [TS]

  what the muppets should be which was [TS]

  fostered from the cauldron of the TV [TS]

  show which was great i was allowed to [TS]

  watch three TV shows each weekend [TS]

  Wow and when I was a kid and one of them [TS]

  was the muppet and over the over to the [TS]

  other two happy days and there was this [TS]

  really crummy game show I don't even [TS]

  remember the name of it was called [TS]

  all-star anything goes and I thought it [TS]

  was a speed list celebrities competing [TS]

  in this is it was the daredevil or a [TS]

  double dare of its day [TS]

  so point is to say almost refuse most [TS]

  important one of those was the Muppets [TS]

  Muppets was untouchable the others could [TS]

  be negotiated but the muppets was [TS]

  untouchable and the muppet movie of [TS]

  course is is great it's brilliant it's a [TS]

  terrific [TS]

  it's one of the few origin stories that [TS]

  actually uh nice works as a narrative it [TS]

  seamlessly blends in the celebrities and [TS]

  that it's not in there are a couple of [TS]

  things like hey everyone its Bob oh but [TS]

  for the most part you have steve martin [TS]

  just playing a waiter and uh [TS]

  Orson Welles / seals as a movie single a [TS]

  studio head and all all sorts a did [TS]

  Richard Pryor is in there selling [TS]

  balloons of course who wouldn't put [TS]

  Richard Pryor in a kids movie and 19 cm [TS]

  is my wife my wife and I to this day [TS]

  will reference the muppet movie I'm not [TS]

  not a lot of week goes by where there [TS]

  isn't a reference especially if there's [TS]

  a fork in the road or there's a a place [TS]

  when you're driving and you have to tell [TS]

  somebody to bear left right frog we [TS]

  still ended up my car there's also steve [TS]

  martin's would you like to sniff the cap [TS]

  yeah yeah so good that is again the [TS]

  music the rear the rainbow then using a [TS]

  little bit of your eye moving right [TS]

  along as you say the soundtrack is [TS]

  excellent there's only one song on there [TS]

  i really don't care for but since I'm [TS]

  you know but just unable to be negative [TS]

  even when i've been wildly praiseful [TS]

  yeah i like i like the great muppet [TS]

  caper the great muppet caper is a fun [TS]

  you know [TS]

  oh man is that fun i would be my [TS]

  favorite of the movies [TS]

  oh my gosh i could go as I'm gonna be [TS]

  there wasn't money when they have miss [TS]

  piggy in the jail [TS]

  oh it is a nice self-contained story and [TS]

  I like that about it and it it is as [TS]

  they say a caper we can argue about its [TS]

  greatness but it is paper involving [TS]

  Muppets so I i scrape it is really great [TS]

  is Freddie paper involving Muppets this [TS]

  is that the new movies feels [TS]

  self-conscious in a way that the older [TS]

  movies don't [TS]

  yeah it's true because we watched um [TS]

  what was the watch most recent as tina [TS]

  fey's this as the Russian guard about [TS]

  the most wanted weapons most wanted and [TS]

  um that movie deeply upset our [TS]

  four-year-old daughter [TS]

  well all deeply as an adult I am amused [TS]

  by the evil kermit the frog in [TS]

  manufacturing already surveys i found [TS]

  that funny as a child I would be deeply [TS]

  disturbed the hazel soon as the first [TS]

  she was she was terrified by the idea [TS]

  that his friends wouldn't recognize him [TS]

  yes is appalled at the idea that bad [TS]

  guys would set up bad things to happen [TS]

  to people who didn't deserve it or [TS]

  Muppet didn't deserve it [TS]

  and the the overall terror of things [TS]

  happen to her friend Kermit completely [TS]

  out with everything else and you know [TS]

  again as an adult there was I enjoyed [TS]

  the josh groban is the prisoner that's [TS]

  kept in a box and he just sings and i [TS]

  love i love the prison drama review i [TS]

  thought that was hilarious especially [TS]

  the Ray Liotta stuff um there's a lot of [TS]

  you know that the detectives there are a [TS]

  lot of bits that got close but it felt [TS]

  like entertainment has made more for [TS]

  grownups and in some ways and and again [TS]

  as possible because i had an opportunity [TS]

  to test drive to an actual child and I [TS]

  was like wow this really doesn't work [TS]

  for four-year old shit not work [TS]

  let me tell you where the Muppet movies [TS]

  started to go off the rails please do [TS]

  but stick Manhattan [TS]

  yep yep you know grill makes me ill Phil [TS]

  okay that's a great great bit but yes it [TS]

  is independent of that the problem with [TS]

  muppets take manhattan is that unless [TS]

  it-it-it wants to have its cake and eat [TS]

  it too it wants to be this like little [TS]

  self-contained story like the great [TS]

  muppet caper but then it's all no no [TS]

  this is Canada this is how the muppets [TS]

  met ignore the movie we made six years [TS]

  earlier or eight years original here [TS]

  yeah yeah I'm not even ya know they all [TS]

  went to college together and then they [TS]

  hit the big time and yeah Kermit and [TS]

  Miss Piggy really married so there you [TS]

  go [TS]

  oh and we've we've made adorable baby [TS]

  Muppets and that's going to be a cartoon [TS]

  now [TS]

  Oh No yes don't don't speak of a mother [TS]

  babies so I did he speak of it sometimes [TS]

  doesn't exist [TS]

  yeah Lisa Lisa and I watched out of the [TS]

  the the muppets take manhattan about a [TS]

  year-and-a-half ago I want to say and it [TS]

  it doesn't even have the advantage of [TS]

  holding up well it's the Sun this is the [TS]

  songs aren't all that good the the apart [TS]

  from both of the advertising frogs again [TS]

  a brilliant concept [TS]

  ah mm admit but mostly most the show [TS]

  isn't very good and I think that's where [TS]

  they really began to take their eye off [TS]

  the ball with Kermit where they kind of [TS]

  made Kermit overly sentimental uh no my [TS]

  friends o.o know in that and every movie [TS]

  since then has sort of amp that up where [TS]

  cut with [TS]

  worker but sort of keeps becoming more [TS]

  and more of a sad sack and 22 now where [TS]

  it's the natural extension [TS]

  well of course someone launching a new [TS]

  TV show would be welcome it's sad it's [TS]

  it says so here in the movies and I [TS]

  think that's if you want to chart the [TS]

  point where the muppets sort of lost [TS]

  their way and stop being the muppets as [TS]

  we knew resign you and love them it [TS]

  would be the movie [TS]

  Erica I heard you agreeing about that [TS]

  one yeah actually I i was so unimpressed [TS]

  with the muppets take manhattan but [TS]

  that's actually the last movie that I [TS]

  even bother to watch [TS]

  I don't think anyone is the first Jason [TS]

  Segel one but nothing between there [TS]

  oh god every time someone mentions that [TS]

  movie it's like they're hitting me it's [TS]

  slipping the the muppets the jason segel [TS]

  moving [TS]

  I hate that movie so much no I enjoyed [TS]

  it [TS]

  I I will see what I like bret mckenzie [TS]

  these songs in both movies [TS]

  yes the songs that i like to slide [TS]

  that's the only thing but look you can [TS]

  its Walter it's stupid water won't use a [TS]

  generic muppet you know it's like it's [TS]

  like it's like imagine that the that [TS]

  movie that you introduced a Walther [TS]

  imagine that's a rubber sheet and Walter [TS]

  is the tiny ball that weighs [TS]

  approximately 50 pounds and rolls all [TS]

  over the river she destroyed it in every [TS]

  single direction you know what I [TS]

  actually had no idea who you were [TS]

  talking about when you said Walter so [TS]

  that tells you exactly and I'm still not [TS]

  sure he's a blanket but he is but he's [TS]

  the muppet that is what Jason seagulls [TS]

  childhood friend who is a more sibling [TS]

  it's a rigorous moving others that did [TS]

  that made absolutely zero impression of [TS]

  me but there's a bit of the rundown [TS]

  theater and they got to bring it back [TS]

  and then there's this little bad [TS]

  animators and I thought there work I [TS]

  i'll say i'll say that um that what I [TS]

  got out of that that film is that Jason [TS]

  Segel truly loves the Muppets yes [TS]

  and-and-and Muppets Most Wanted which I [TS]

  thought was fine and had some funny bits [TS]

  in it it felt like the migratory sequel [TS]

  but this this did feel like a little bit [TS]

  of a labor of love even though yes [TS]

  Walter is problematic because he is not [TS]

  anymore but we've ever seen before and [TS]

  then we spend an awful lot of time with [TS]

  him and he does nothing that's [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  he doesn't serve a purpose he's totally [TS]

  the Mary Sue [TS]

  jason segel yeah that's your Jason wants [TS]

  to be like the genius behind the muppets [TS]

  is that all of them are avatars of [TS]

  different aspects of the human character [TS]

  in some way shape or form carbon is [TS]

  persistence and optimism and scooters [TS]

  conscientiousness and gonzo is [TS]

  alienation and sam the eagle is rigid [TS]

  adherence to a code seller Waldorf are [TS]

  your are your inner critics like every [TS]

  one of the animal is the agent of chaos [TS]

  yeah exactly is your ear he is the [TS]

  raging in you Lucille America you need [TS]

  an agent of chaos don't you don't you [TS]

  just you really do I feel action resumed [TS]

  royalties but first let's you know let's [TS]

  make this the man said about pops his [TS]

  pops tell me about pops you say this is [TS]

  your a different building right now yeah [TS]

  that's my point is is that with the [TS]

  original number ensemble everyone then [TS]

  reaches out and touches something in you [TS]

  and and it becomes a more universal [TS]

  experience and Walters experience is [TS]

  nearly incomprehensible like it [TS]

  literally is the embodiment of one of [TS]

  the persons fandom and I'm glad jason [TS]

  segel likes the muppets it's good to [TS]

  like things it's good for some things [TS]

  you like but that doesn't mean they're [TS]

  good [TS]

  I i think that the two problems with the [TS]

  the muppets reboot was Walter as we've [TS]

  established and it it's it it indulges [TS]

  in a self-congratulatory nostalgia that [TS]

  doesn't serve the material well and well [TS]

  again it to me sitting in the theater [TS]

  with the kids [TS]

  it did not feel plausible that this is [TS]

  how Carmen would end up in the beginning [TS]

  of the movie he would not become a [TS]

  reclusive Citizen Kane type in his [TS]

  mansion remembering all his his hazy [TS]

  sentimental memories of all the friends [TS]

  who have left him he would it still be [TS]

  making he would still be making art he [TS]

  would still be doing a show or if your [TS]

  error if you're going to do that go go [TS]

  in the direction we're just taking over [TS]

  the top where he's grown a crazy Howard [TS]

  Hughes bear and he's wearing a Kleenex [TS]

  boxes on his flippers and and his [TS]

  slippers on of crazy long nails and [TS]

  click every time this is melted and [TS]

  Kermit yeah so I do i do have to say [TS]

  that we're hearing some of the criticism [TS]

  of there [TS]

  and hearing some of the criticism of the [TS]

  ABC series III do keep thinking that a [TS]

  lot of this comes back to people having [TS]

  childhood conceptions of what the [TS]

  markets are and what they aren't and [TS]

  being unwilling to see other [TS]

  interpretations of it that don't match [TS]

  exactly what their childhood and i'm not [TS]

  saying that that's necessarily bad but [TS]

  I'm saying that this is the difficult [TS]

  situation the muppets as a franchise [TS]

  find themselves in is that all of us are [TS]

  judging them based on our are misty [TS]

  water-colored memories of children [TS]

  growing up with the Muppets and then [TS]

  when somebody tries to put them in a [TS]

  different context it's very easy for [TS]

  somebody to say current wouldn't do that [TS]

  yeah and-and-and you know David's Kermit [TS]

  wouldn't do that is obviously different [TS]

  from jason segel is Kermit wouldn't do [TS]

  that [TS]

  and therein lies i think a problem with [TS]

  the whole thing is that is that you're [TS]

  fighting against that's pretty powerful [TS]

  thing to fight against I I could take it [TS]

  if Kermit had that sense of joy if [TS]

  Kermit were true to himself [TS]

  you can do anything with him I don't [TS]

  care where you set him but in that he's [TS]

  thoroughly depressed i mean i've really [TS]

  liked puppets from outer space which [TS]

  yeah I'm space i was fine wherein gonzo [TS]

  is revealed finally to be an alien let [TS]

  me throw the flag here that the muppets [TS]

  nineties movies which a lot of people do [TS]

  not like I actually think her okay [TS]

  and because i think they take the right [TS]

  idea of let's take an existing story and [TS]

  throw the muppets into it so of course [TS]

  my treasure island get a christmas carol [TS]

  Christmas ceremony is gonna be a Robert [TS]

  barley the carpet permits going to be [TS]

  God Cratchit and Jacob the Waldorf and [TS]

  Statler going to be both to Jacob Marley [TS]

  sure why not take it then Robert Martin [TS]

  yeah and it's a bob marley from Roger [TS]

  that flies right it has the kids it's [TS]

  great though [TS]

  yeah beautiful job and you know that [TS]

  there are problems and flaws with the [TS]

  movies but i like the fact that they're [TS]

  actually taking uh Muppet characters and [TS]

  and doing something with them other than [TS]

  modernizing them to not very good effect [TS]

  and of course Muppets and space is a fun [TS]

  little picture you know similar similar [TS]

  to the pretty good muppet caper where [TS]

  you it's nice little self-contained [TS]

  story [TS]

  that incorporates celebrity cameos very [TS]

  well I'm a comic book readers i'm used [TS]

  two characters constantly being recast [TS]

  rewritten put in situations that they [TS]

  weren't 30 years ago [TS]

  yeah so you know I I understand what [TS]

  you're saying Jason with maybe we are [TS]

  reacting because it's bumping up against [TS]

  our conception of what the Muppets were [TS]

  like when we were children and I think [TS]

  you know that's why I that is one of the [TS]

  reasons why I react so strongly but part [TS]

  of it is also if I just don't enjoy it [TS]

  for the sake of its not doing what I [TS]

  think it should do then that's going to [TS]

  be part of it to you know again [TS]

  um with muppets most wanted a lot of [TS]

  funny parts of the movie totally not [TS]

  suitable for small people and so I was [TS]

  kind of confused as to who the audience [TS]

  for that is supposed to be um that said [TS]

  the way he says map its and has to keep [TS]

  practicing is really yes I wanted an [TS]

  actual yeah no yeah maybe not good for [TS]

  kids like 4i start the world's most evil [TS]

  like the fact that the world's most evil [TS]

  criminals a frog [TS]

  yeah suddenly the muppets has become [TS]

  something for 30-year old hipsters as [TS]

  apart as opposed to something general [TS]

  history you're only 30 and 40 year-old [TS]

  hipsters can enjoy with our children [TS]

  with their is it forward special [TS]

  beverages it's alright [TS]

  uh-uh so we've got some we've we've got [TS]

  lots of opinions about Muppet movies [TS]

  that there will be we had to pick one [TS]

  that's the definitive is at the muppet [TS]

  movie [TS]

  it says they're so right in the title [TS]

  friend yes haha yeah as much fun as the [TS]

  other ones are it's not called a muppet [TS]

  movie it's pure it is pure it's the [TS]

  purest distillation of who the Muppets [TS]

  are all right that's so that's that's [TS]

  that's what we're going to say if you [TS]

  are all in a world [TS]

  word to the wise avoid the [TS]

  direct-to-video Muppet pictures the very [TS]

  member muppet christmas movie and the [TS]

  muppet wizard of oz yeah permits swampy [TS]

  your permit swap years old Lloyd that [TS]

  one like no like it contains poison [TS]

  because that is not a good production i [TS]

  am up a classic theater also falls into [TS]

  that category apparently according to [TS]

  haven't heard of any of these and I'm [TS]

  okay with that the direct-to-video the [TS]

  directive video stuff is garbage i [TS]

  believe that I I don't want to blame the [TS]

  Germans but i think this was when they [TS]

  were going [TS]

  by the Germans ah purpose mom all right [TS]

  there the two teeth the two TV movies [TS]

  The Muppet Christmas moving them up [TS]

  wizard of oz both directed by Kirk [TS]

  Thatcher you may know him as the guy who [TS]

  gives mr. Spock the finger in Star Trek [TS]

  for the TV movie was not bad the [TS]

  Christmas TV movie was not bad alright [TS]

  got it got it got a little bit weird and [TS]

  religiously at the end but i don't think [TS]

  we have any money these guys credit [TS]

  though because one of the things that [TS]

  the muppet conglomerate corporation has [TS]

  done right is they figured out really [TS]

  early on they could use YouTube to like [TS]

  supplement and extend the brand as it [TS]

  were like they use a lot of market only [TS]

  clip like the youtube mix ups and gone [TS]

  up like the Bohemian Rhapsody aurorae do [TS]

  those are your beaker and you know it i [TS]

  was impressed that somebody there early [TS]

  on said you know it doesn't have to be a [TS]

  half-hour show it doesn't have to do [TS]

  some more thinking about DVD sales this [TS]

  can like they seem to understand viral [TS]

  video in a in a fundamental in early way [TS]

  and they seem to recognize the appeal of [TS]

  remix culture so I think it's what I [TS]

  find frustrating about the current show [TS]

  is there are obviously smart people who [TS]

  do creative and funny things and can [TS]

  connect with an audience when they want [TS]

  to and I just don't understand what [TS]

  they're doing the show [TS]

  well that if the TV show had just [TS]

  brought a fraction of the creativity [TS]

  that goes into some of those YouTube [TS]

  clips we we wouldn't have spent the [TS]

  first 15 minutes of the podcast [TS]

  bellyaching [TS]

  yeah although i will maintain that I [TS]

  feel like that bad that the ABC show is [TS]

  saveable and then like I said before I'm [TS]

  not sure they think that it needs to be [TS]

  saved and so i'm not sure i don't think [TS]

  they do anything about it but I feel [TS]

  like their clothes like a few changes in [TS]

  tone could probably bring it around to [TS]

  being successful like your face wasn't [TS]

  super funny and absurd [TS]

  yeah just making a little more [TS]

  optimistic and making I mean honestly I [TS]

  let me talk about a Parks and Rec here [TS]

  right [TS]

  the muppets feels like the first season [TS]

  of Parks and Rec where Leslie Knope is [TS]

  is is miserable [TS]

  she's awful in the first season and then [TS]

  they like Oh what if we made our likable [TS]

  and I feel like that's a little bit like [TS]

  cold carbons p is crushed and his soul [TS]

  is being crushed he's going to be he's [TS]

  going to baking for death with Kermit [TS]

  was happier [TS]

  maybe we would maybe that would do it [TS]

  and it's like it's not that far away it [TS]

  so you could you've got the Muppets and [TS]

  you seem to know how to use them comedic [TS]

  Lee to a certain extent [TS]

  it's just you're making us really sad [TS]

  yeah one and you know thinking of the [TS]

  youtube viral videos maybe if you want [TS]

  to appeal to the the current culture [TS]

  maybe it should be about the [TS]

  behind-the-scenes of making viral videos [TS]

  for YouTube thing you know that's more [TS]

  applicable to today the overkill of [TS]

  late-night shows i think is just you [TS]

  know icic piggy talking in an interview [TS]

  setting with the New York City skyline [TS]

  behind her and it doesn't really aside [TS]

  from being a puppet [TS]

  it doesn't really seem any different [TS]

  from any of the other shows she's [TS]

  probably be like the host of the daily [TS]

  show but the problem is they want to [TS]

  find a way to shoehorn in celebrity [TS]

  cameos well I don't remember also a [TS]

  muppet to travel awesome up another [TS]

  viral video idea would allow them to do [TS]

  kind of the the musical numbers just [TS]

  that mean the old show so very [TS]

  interesting what in that experience will [TS]

  be quick in the first episode gonzo [TS]

  pitches a sketch called dancing with the [TS]

  Czar's yes yes guys beautiful you know [TS]

  it's a funny little play on words but [TS]

  the old Muppet Show would have actually [TS]

  shown the sketch president yeah just [TS]

  have got so talking about Benghazi would [TS]

  come in dressed as like a rucksack [TS]

  yeah exactly and and then be like no no [TS]

  we cut that wasn't that good me like a [TS]

  man and then he'd like to a little kick [TS]

  dance on the way out [TS]

  yeah and you see actually like a bunch [TS]

  of people dressed as contact with swords [TS]

  on the background the wood i was going [TS]

  to say that for chickens cos x because [TS]

  contact chickens that's funny [TS]

  the show is often compared to 30 rock [TS]

  and one of 30 Rock's great things which [TS]

  just show you up a peek at the terrible [TS]

  sketch and you know he's got acid by the [TS]

  way also a muppet [TS]

  yes yes here if you didn't Liz Lemon [TS]

  also him up so we got a little bit of [TS]

  time left and I thought that maybe I [TS]

  would do something crazy which is an [TS]

  impromptu puppet draft totally [TS]

  unexpected Jason none of my guests are [TS]

  prepared for this [TS]

  I just made it up like half an hour ago [TS]

  and yet here we are [TS]

  I would like us to draft some favorite [TS]

  Muppet as a way of talking about some of [TS]

  the great character [TS]

  because that that's really what the [TS]

  Muppets are all about is these great [TS]

  characters is it is an ensemble of [TS]

  characters like liking it [TS]

  Lisa to comic book universe and all that [TS]

  it's not that far off [TS]

  I mean there there's my floor we had a [TS]

  we had those davidson on a muppet there [TS]

  there's a what phil was talking about [TS]

  about is it in canon or not i mean the [TS]

  the the who these characters are is very [TS]

  important to to the the entire idea here [TS]

  so we're going to a muppet draft very [TS]

  quickly lightning round it's all [TS]

  lightning round Lisa you get to go first [TS]

  well who's your first Muppet do beakers [TS]

  and Bunsen honeydew comes a pack one [TS]

  market for customers [TS]

  yes Phil Phil I know your film you gotta [TS]

  come up as a muppet if they're all on [TS]

  the same stick they could be like one [TS]

  Muppet like it's like my so don't ask [TS]

  Tom felt Jason yeah it's um well then I [TS]

  guess I'm gonna have to go Indiana's [TS]

  first and then hope for the best light [TS]

  around wow oh well man like yeah enjoyed [TS]

  you pick because one of my favorite [TS]

  running gags in all of the movies is [TS]

  when they're having the conversations [TS]

  and cast everyone dies down just as [TS]

  Genesis thinks they'll be like so what [TS]

  if i was walking naked on the beach man [TS]

  and then she finally notices that from [TS]

  super quiet it's just a really funny [TS]

  non-sequitur i love that button every [TS]

  single in the nineteen eighties movies [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  Erica picture Muppet i'm going to go [TS]

  through off the dog [TS]

  oh one of my favorites he not only is [TS]

  you a musician but he's just he's got [TS]

  sort of that he seems very [TS]

  matter-of-fact about things but sort of [TS]

  a dry deadpan humor but then every once [TS]

  in a while he just you know does [TS]

  something that's really wacky and he's [TS]

  just got that goofy green just love it [TS]

  it's not that he's got that bartender [TS]

  quality to you to pour out your soul to [TS]

  walk the dog and it in a way and I know [TS]

  that they have it but it seems like [TS]

  they've kind of retired him some [TS]

  tensions death because incident really [TS]

  even more so than Kermit the Frog Hanson [TS]

  really had him yelled yeah yeah bill [TS]

  will pick them up it [TS]

  gonzo gun so I love guns oh yeah I love [TS]

  everything about gonzo and I think [TS]

  actually gonzo is held held up pretty [TS]

  well in the ABC show because he's it's [TS]

  still you know his nuts and it's still [TS]

  the same ground that weird and [TS]

  and it is the same guy he's a weirdo and [TS]

  he loves chicken's you know gonzo David [TS]

  pick a muppet well ralph was my first [TS]

  choice guns was my 2nd trace will go [TS]

  with Carmen yeah [TS]

  current what can we say Kermit is the [TS]

  definitive Muppet your it's amazing that [TS]

  he felt a number for David now while I [TS]

  know I know I was waiting for you I [TS]

  figured all no one's gonna picture but [TS]

  so also that way to put a pic was like [TS]

  well Ralph yeah I've had died field and [TS]

  empathy towards our health and and gonzo [TS]

  I kind of him goofy like I'm so at times [TS]

  but Kermit i am i've always sympathized [TS]

  with because I make stuff and I put [TS]

  stuff together and let's put on a show [TS]

  and but again it's the join the optimism [TS]

  and yeah for returned one I was given a [TS]

  a Kermit the Frog hand puppet which i [TS]

  still have I'm looking at him right now [TS]

  I think I think Kermit is just so deeply [TS]

  entwined with my psyche that I didn't [TS]

  even think of picking him like I don't [TS]

  think of him as a muppet he's just [TS]

  Kermit he's a current I get that now my [TS]

  problems i like the team's well yeah [TS]

  yeah you might have to work on that [TS]

  oh i didn't i'm not gonna draft him but [TS]

  I didn't mention the best new Muppet [TS]

  introduced in the jason segal movie and [TS]

  the following movie is a tease robot i [TS]

  love you bro but i'm not going to pick a [TS]

  these robot here I'm going I'm going to [TS]

  pick sam sam the eagle get pic uh yeah [TS]

  and there is there is a joke [TS]

  what is it in its I can't even remember [TS]

  what is in there there is which was [TS]

  visited them it's not a man i can [TS]

  remember there is a joking them in a [TS]

  movie or TV show I can't remember which [TS]

  one it is now where there is an extended [TS]

  bit that is increasingly weird and at [TS]

  some point they just cut to sandy Eagle [TS]

  who is shaking his head and since is [TS]

  nothing sacred and they cut back and i [TS]

  cannot literally cannot remember [TS]

  anything more about anything about that [TS]

  other than that Sam the Eagle is product [TS]

  and to comment and some other characters [TS]

  do on the action and in in the ABC [TS]

  series he is the head of standards and [TS]

  practices for the network which is a [TS]

  funny joke although he was Bill used in [TS]

  the pilot any one of my favorite [TS]

  recurring bits from the first season is [TS]

  he would he would always be brought out [TS]

  to introduce the two singers i was a [TS]

  dick Endora or wayne and wanda wayne and [TS]

  wanda i knew it was a and he would [TS]

  always come to to introduce it because [TS]

  we're bringing class to the show now and [TS]

  of course the songs would go [TS]

  disastrously and and each subsequent [TS]

  introduction he'd be more trepidatious [TS]

  about doing it out that was a good bit [TS]

  with see ya are for the second for the [TS]

  second round you can pick you can pick [TS]

  groups [TS]

  Oh couple of weeks ago we had a stellar [TS]

  in waldorf ya know well that was [TS]

  literally I I didn't want to force [TS]

  somebody to pick Statler or Waldorf yeah [TS]

  you pick Sally you get water for free [TS]

  that's my brother and I used to do their [TS]

  bits after we watch the show together I [TS]

  think Stalin Walter come off better than [TS]

  any other characters in the ABC series [TS]

  yeah because my just sit in the audience [TS]

  because the crystals all over their [TS]

  truest to their their original selves [TS]

  and they fall asleep at one point [TS]

  perspective voice like that's Paris leaf [TS]

  it going on each other ya know they're [TS]

  just they're just great i make me happy [TS]

  every time I see them so startling where [TS]

  the most lovable hecklers ever they are [TS]

  mmm Erica pick another Muppet I'm gonna [TS]

  go to animal i guess as you later on [TS]

  prob [TS]

  he was just goofy and then um my my [TS]

  longtime roommate and very close friend [TS]

  wendy is a drummer so I purchased a an [TS]

  animal with a drum set toy for her a [TS]

  long time ago which is just been sort of [TS]

  like a bonding thing between the two of [TS]

  us ever since so yeah love animal all [TS]

  right Phil pick them up it [TS]

  well since we can pick teams now which [TS]

  is a boy rule i'm gonna take a Bunsen [TS]

  honeydew and beaker good yeah there's [TS]

  anything you need your physical comedy [TS]

  speaker is even without dr. Bunsen [TS]

  honeydew beaker is fantastic and there [TS]

  is a good stand alone there is that [TS]

  scene again i'm going to pick out like [TS]

  little bits that are good [TS]

  there's a scene in the second episode of [TS]

  the ABC series where we're piggy is nice [TS]

  to beaker and you can see that beaker it [TS]

  had your second explode because he's [TS]

  just pondering what [TS]

  hey he is going to be horribly horribly [TS]

  mutilated and nothing happens and it's [TS]

  really funny because we know the history [TS]

  of all the things that the effects are [TS]

  sadly temporary there's a funny little [TS]

  bit in the largely forgettable christmas [TS]

  movie for that was made for NBC where [TS]

  Bunsen honeydew is giving an explanation [TS]

  because this river [TS]

  well beaker I think you have a beautiful [TS]

  mind too when i do that to each other [TS]

  all the time it's my favorite Meryl bits [TS]

  Mimi one of the things that bothered me [TS]

  the most about the new Muppet Show was [TS]

  the the part where dr. Bunsen honeydew [TS]

  tases speaker just shut shut everybody [TS]

  on that I I always as I love the their [TS]

  duo but i like that it because always [TS]

  getting tortured sort of in the name of [TS]

  the shop with us right [TS]

  it's never intentional and it's never [TS]

  means press exactly well you know you [TS]

  always think that the Bunsen honeydew [TS]

  he's giggling underneath for sure but [TS]

  his breast and that joke is a perfect [TS]

  example that the people doing the TV [TS]

  show they know the words but they don't [TS]

  know the music now [TS]

  yeah thank you David pick them up at [TS]

  Swedish Chef your computer to see [TS]

  behavior religions different bird hehe [TS]

  mm that's uh that's good that is a [TS]

  one-joke character it's a great job but [TS]

  it's a little chilly good show [TS]

  um I'm gonna pick with my second pick [TS]

  I'm gonna go a little crazy little wild [TS]

  oh I'm gonna pick big bird who is kind [TS]

  of not a muppet but i consider big bird [TS]

  Muppet an honorarium up even though it [TS]

  is a person in a suit i feel i guested [TS]

  on the original shy feel like big bird [TS]

  and he was on the Muppet movie too [TS]

  yeah um I do i I'll i kinda love big [TS]

  bird and and that that is a sesame [TS]

  street muppet I wanted to go with a [TS]

  sesame street muppet to even though he's [TS]

  no exam it's like a big bird could be a [TS]

  go i don't know what the team would be [TS]

  but he could be a mascot for a team that [TS]

  would be a very good mascot so I picked [TS]

  the big pile of the 1970s 1980s big bird [TS]

  but the thing is Carol [TS]

  ben is still voicing him now and Caroll [TS]

  Spinney some very old man [TS]

  yes and so like they're really [TS]

  disturbing thing about watching Sesame [TS]

  Street with the four-year-old and [TS]

  they're very recent episodes is one big [TS]

  bird is trying to like be his energetic [TS]

  six-year old self and he honestly sounds [TS]

  like he needs to like lie down and have [TS]

  somebody got some arnica honest joints [TS]

  mr. you know love because we're gonna go [TS]

  to focus for the winter [TS]

  ya know so it's I want my dick but I [TS]

  really do have abused good for most note [TS]

  and godbless Caroll Spinney foregoing [TS]

  because this is giving a purpose and [TS]

  it's great that he sucks [TS]

  it's great that he sucks [TS]

  much of this character and i will [TS]

  forever also love Oscar the Grouch but [TS]

  like I'm really disturbed by the big [TS]

  bird of the 20 town's old baby no I [TS]

  cannot wait if we can draft Sesame [TS]

  Street people i'm not just Fraggles at [TS]

  this movie was not because you want to [TS]

  throw you throw away your pilot yeah I [TS]

  wouldn't draft in Fraggle and are going [TS]

  to one more round to be another draft so [TS]

  we're so think of sum up its quick [TS]

  Lisa I'm ready that you just notified me [TS]

  I can't remember your turn up [TS]

  yeah yeah right color and then I know [TS]

  maybe we might go easy on us a radical [TS]

  distracted can i pick that entire [TS]

  Orchestra babies [TS]

  yes only if you can save the orchestra [TS]

  leaders name [TS]

  oh god I can't so unfair ok I'm Bobby [TS]

  you it's a literate ofthe [TS]

  know it's a literate of i can't believe [TS]

  i'm now alright so i can trap them um [TS]

  army dogs take market Suggs you would [TS]

  lose you I'm not only to pops [TS]

  yeah that's what I will actually go with [TS]

  dr. teeth that was gonna be my pic solid [TS]

  pink yeah Erica Pinkett Muppet well i [TS]

  was tempted to go with a sesame street [TS]

  my pitches to go that way but that much [TS]

  as I loved Prairie dawn as a little girl [TS]

  I don't think that I don't think this [TS]

  don't think Elmo was showing out of God [TS]

  give me some credit you Grover Grover is [TS]

  pretty great [TS]

  everyone I've actually gone so is like [TS]

  the off-brand like muppet groomer did [TS]

  despite what Phil said earlier i'm going [TS]

  to pick scooter because i have always [TS]

  appreciated a guy who's just you know [TS]

  happy to be the Gopher get stuff done in [TS]

  the background he's he's a little [TS]

  workhorse and I I always I always kind [TS]

  of felt like I related to scooter more [TS]

  than a lot of a lot of other folks [TS]

  because i was just this isn't my head [TS]

  down and getting stuff done [TS]

  no no the scooter characters horribly [TS]

  ill defined the changes from season to [TS]

  season and property to property night [TS]

  had I what they want to do an eighth [TS]

  score scooter scooter scooter is going [TS]

  to get snow of all these reasons for all [TS]

  of those things that you just said yes [TS]

  that this is why I like scooter as a [TS]

  child [TS]

  my wife for her she picked Robin the [TS]

  little broad cousin of curve that's [TS]

  almost as bad as scooter yeah I don't [TS]

  why did their film what is your choice [TS]

  of a muppet third Muppet well but for [TS]

  you because you picked him up and I'm [TS]

  second [TS]

  well I've always been a fan of the count [TS]

  the count is good but i think that said [TS]

  someone took dr. teeth i'm just gonna [TS]

  have to take Bobby Benson's babe and yes [TS]

  oh I don't think it likes 500 and what [TS]

  is that in it's the Muppet Show that's [TS]

  enough [TS]

  it's like the first season it's in the [TS]

  series it was a union it's the guy who [TS]

  conducts the little baby orchestra and I [TS]

  instrument and he's got the cigarette [TS]

  dangling from his lips the sunglasses [TS]

  and the wrong with ruffians be my [TS]

  grandbabies end up being on the holy [TS]

  hell out of each other with the [TS]

  instruments and II it just looks like [TS]

  the ski easiest act that that ever [TS]

  happened [TS]

  it's marvin sucks without the humanity [TS]

  and i really like babies the muppets [TS]

  always have those little black shoe [TS]

  button eyes you know it gives us vaguely [TS]

  rodent look that I find tremendous and [TS]

  and and Bobby Bobby Benson would do [TS]

  takes to the camera with his cigarette [TS]

  take like it's great [TS]

  ok David David picture Muppet Grover [TS]

  Grover see I was going to say Grover and [TS]

  account also great Sesame Street Muppets [TS]

  Oscar the Grouch cookie monster many i'm [TS]

  just-just already near far near [TS]

  and-and-and the running thing of a [TS]

  waiter there's a fly in my soup plus [TS]

  Super Grover super granted answer he [TS]

  comes to the river is brilliant as a [TS]

  child I found Grover so deeply upsetting [TS]

  and anxious anxiety-inducing i did like [TS]

  every time he came on i was on the edge [TS]

  online educational oh it's not gonna [TS]

  work out because grew from much well [TS]

  then true that's true glad you [TS]

  identified that rapidly because bird is [TS]

  my favorite sesame street character that [TS]

  should tell you a launch me if it's not [TS]

  over did with the blue blue face [TS]

  anything out but are you have the [TS]

  classic comedy bits and the other bits [TS]

  as [TS]

  police assess grammar has a lot of [TS]

  issues yeah but yeah the whole thing [TS]

  with the little blue guy and and gurus [TS]

  the waiter or you know [TS]

  yeah those are beautiful right and and [TS]

  for my pic I i mentioned him earlier he [TS]

  is funny even just in the background and [TS]

  in the movie you'll know him as I just [TS]

  know we're gonna catch up with those [TS]

  guys looking sweetums another guy suit [TS]

  yeah two guys in suits and hence the [TS]

  name of your Muppet Show I don't care [TS]

  it's all the all all mascot Muppets for [TS]

  me I was invented by Bobo it should have [TS]

  been you uncle deadly a bugbear bugbears [TS]

  is nice and I really like this is [TS]

  another thing that they're doing right [TS]

  is they do those viral movie parodies [TS]

  now with Cookie Monster is nicely been [TS]

  and yes she does and they're phenomenal [TS]

  they're hilarious and timely and smart [TS]

  and amazing and you know like we can [TS]

  show them again we can show them to the [TS]

  four-year-old and half of the jokes like [TS]

  over her head and she's not even aware [TS]

  the jokes are flying overhead because [TS]

  there's still stuff at her level and [TS]

  just like oh I have hope for the brand [TS]

  because they're doing the stuff they're [TS]

  doing it right the cookie monster [TS]

  parodies are only some of my favorite [TS]

  things on YouTube right now I enjoy the [TS]

  game of chairs featuring Grover not to [TS]

  do not your eldest yes not to derail [TS]

  this podcast but it's too late for that [TS]

  so go ahead because i realize that [TS]

  Sesame Street is a different property [TS]

  from the Muppets because it's it's [TS]

  really the children's television [TS]

  workshop and I believe Lisa you once [TS]

  told me that they had to tell jim henson [TS]

  to cool it a little bit because he was [TS]

  he was delicious yeah a little bit mean [TS]

  with the muppets in the only as yeah [TS]

  something straight right so that said [TS]

  Sesame Street does a lot of things right [TS]

  having we watch it now because we have [TS]

  the four-year-old oh the thing that [TS]

  they've done wrong unforgivably wrong [TS]

  well two things and and Lisa it's it's [TS]

  Lisa's point and she can she can address [TS]

  the the change in focus of the show but [TS]

  they've let Elmo hijack that show there [TS]

  is not one show no you you do not [TS]

  realize how much Elmo has taken over [TS]

  that show until you watch it because oh [TS]

  god no yeah it's really it's really just [TS]

  everybody exist for the whims of Elmo [TS]

  everyone exist [TS]

  it is like that twilight zone episode [TS]

  where the kid thinks things that perhaps [TS]

  remember like always been a wonderful [TS]

  life or else they get sent to their own [TS]

  field like that Anthony yes exactly and [TS]

  everyone's like it's wonderful that [TS]

  you're curious LOL it's wonderful [TS]

  informative rollerskate Elmo it's [TS]

  wonderful that today you're gonna learn [TS]

  about the letter W no killing so much [TS]

  but nobody has your words sometimes [TS]

  which to play out and and you can like [TS]

  city that tears according two hours of [TS]

  their eyes they choked back their songs [TS]

  and say yes sell mobile hopscotch don't [TS]

  have all do it don't don't cut be so [TS]

  there's a book I want to recommend to [TS]

  everybody called street gang the [TS]

  complete history of Sesame Street [TS]

  yeah I wasn't very good book by Michael [TS]

  Davis and the reason they marked with as [TS]

  we see market format the reason they [TS]

  changed the format it was twofold one is [TS]

  they found that children who are younger [TS]

  than the original intended audience for [TS]

  watching and so they want to try to [TS]

  reach them and two children today are [TS]

  exposed to so much media so much earlier [TS]

  and are so much more visually [TS]

  sophisticated than we were that this was [TS]

  the only way to keep their attention was [TS]

  too was was to basically do the the [TS]

  program and they do now where's the [TS]

  brief live-action segments there's I'm [TS]

  number of the day word-of-the-day a few [TS]

  animated things that you'll have flying [TS]

  fairy school with abby cadabby sometimes [TS]

  or sometimes you'll have mary had a [TS]

  little lamb and there's another brief [TS]

  musical segment and there's Elmo the [TS]

  musical um so like I get why they did it [TS]

  yeah I'm what I'm curious about is I'd [TS]

  like to see what the long-term effects [TS]

  are you know what these kids will grow [TS]

  up singing in remembering compared to [TS]

  all of us who can still see the [TS]

  123456789 10 [TS]

  yeah hell yeah um and stuff like that [TS]

  you know what I'm personally not too [TS]

  crazy about our the celebrities on the [TS]

  show but at the same time again you know [TS]

  it's in response the times and they are [TS]

  actually trying to keep parents engaged [TS]

  as well too and it seems to me that [TS]

  there actually a lot more aggressive [TS]

  about trying to keep adults engaged in [TS]

  watching with kids and they used to be [TS]

  which is a bit another big cultural [TS]

  shift that's taking place [TS]

  um I would be curious actually if I [TS]

  could show my daughter some old-school [TS]

  Sesame Street to see how long she could [TS]

  barely pay attention because one of the [TS]

  things i like about the format now is I [TS]

  can actually turn off after 10 minutes [TS]

  ago okay you've had enough let's go play [TS]

  and there's no there's no but what's [TS]

  going to happen to the waiter with a [TS]

  flying soup anything like that so so [TS]

  there's that I think we're gonna I mean [TS]

  we're going to close the door on our [TS]

  discussion of the muppets now but i [TS]

  would like to thank my guests for [TS]

  talking about Muppets and for doing be [TS]

  our first impromptu incomparable draft [TS]

  pick [TS]

  first he says yes well you know the [TS]

  other good morning and you may and if [TS]

  you didn't prepare it's your own damn [TS]

  fault this one you got no warning ya [TS]

  Lisa Schmeisser thank you for being here [TS]

  thank you i had a great time you pick [TS]

  Jana Statler and Waldorf dr. teeth yeah [TS]

  dad that's going to really very happy [TS]

  that our band and then you get the [TS]

  people who hold the band so see I feel [TS]

  like you're going to keep their balance [TS]

  good or they could sing a duet tables [TS]

  are turned and I go against the audience [TS]

  makes fun of them making this erica and [TS]

  sign [TS]

  thank you very much for being here thank [TS]

  you my participation in this podcast was [TS]

  brought to you by the letter e you got [TS]

  off the dog animal and scooter [TS]

  interesting group of Michael's thank you [TS]

  friends don't let friends watch Fraggle [TS]

  Rock will get gonzo Bunsen honeydew [TS]

  beaker and Bobby Benson's baby banz [TS]

  you've got like a thousand characters [TS]

  I've got the best cast ok ok and and [TS]

  David lure thank you for being here [TS]

  pleasure as always i'm actually flailing [TS]

  my arms and I will moving moving right [TS]

  along term very nice the bear and the [TS]

  Studebaker you can't miss him [TS]

  Kermit swedish chef and grovers what you [TS]

  took and I took sandy Eagle is nothing [TS]

  sacred [TS]

  big birds and sweetums because i really [TS]

  have a thing for people in suits [TS]

  I and then I really want to start your [TS]

  buddy out again with the finishes on [TS]

  truth which information there if I run [TS]

  into speed into the elevator and [TS]

  everybody will see you next week [TS]

  I [TS]