00:00:29 ◼ ► draft event and it is the keynote draft for 2019. I want to thank Chris Breen for the wonderful
00:00:36 ◼ ► draft specific theme. The Christopher Breen marching band everyone. I am Myke Hurley and
00:00:41 ◼ ► I am joined by my drafting partner Mr. Jason Snell or my adversary I should say. Yep, that's sure.
00:00:48 ◼ ► Hi, yes, we are adversaries but we're also partners in finding out what will happen next week.
00:00:56 ◼ ► Exactly, now I want to start the #SnellTalk question. It comes from Aaron and Aaron asks
00:01:00 ◼ ► happy draft day, says that, states that and then asks Jason as the underdog for WWDC predictions,
00:01:06 ◼ ► how have you prepared for 2019's WWDC predictions? Who has determined that I'm the underdog? So this
00:01:13 ◼ ► is it. I thought to myself, hang on a second, how is that the case? So I checked because I have all
00:01:18 ◼ ► the results. I have beat you every WWDC draft that we have done. All three, I've won all three. Oh,
00:01:25 ◼ ► interesting. So I am the WWDC draft champion. Please give me that, it's the only thing I've
00:01:30 ◼ ► ever won. I suppose then to Aaron's point I will say that I prepared like I'd done in the past,
00:01:35 ◼ ► which is looked at our list that we agreed upon and then the morning of the draft sort of paced
00:01:43 ◼ ► a couple of things at the top of it that I think I like and that's it. So I think this level of
00:01:49 ◼ ► preparation shows you why I have not won the WWDC draft. But that's no different to any other
00:01:54 ◼ ► draft prep that you do though, right? And you win all of those pretty handily. That's true. It may
00:01:58 ◼ ► be that I just don't have a handle on the WWDC. I will say to Aaron, I actually did for something
00:02:03 ◼ ► that we're going to do later in the draft, I downloaded the video of last year's keynote and
00:02:08 ◼ ► scrubbed through it. So that was like a little refresher of like what's a WWDC keynote like.
00:02:14 ◼ ► Oh, see that is some different preparation. To think about it. You've been studying the tapes.
00:02:19 ◼ ► I did. I went back to the tapes. I think it's something I try to visualize, look at the tapes,
00:02:24 ◼ ► visualize the keynote and stay within myself. If I was a Tim Cook, what would I do? Am I going to
00:02:31 ◼ ► run on stage? No. I'm going to wait back here for a FaceTime based Animoji based or Emoji based demo
00:02:40 ◼ ► for a version of software that will not ship for... Are you making your first pick? No, no.
00:02:45 ◼ ► That's last year. That was a Tim Cook appearance. He was demoing that feature that didn't ship.
00:02:55 ◼ ► I am as prepared as always, which means nothing. We're always very prepared. We take a year to
00:03:01 ◼ ► prepare for this. Thank you so much to Aaron for that Snowtalk question. If you would like to have
00:03:06 ◼ ► a question included in the show, just send out a tweet with the hashtag Snowtalk and you may help
00:03:10 ◼ ► us open a future episode. Now we are going into the draft and we will start through drafts. There's
00:03:15 ◼ ► all drafts. Good drafts should be started. And that is by talking about the rules. So there are
00:03:21 ◼ ► 10 rounds, 20 overall picks. We get 10 picks each. The winner of the previous draft gets first pick,
00:03:28 ◼ ► and that was Jason. For an item to be counted in the draft, for it to be a successful point
00:03:34 ◼ ► scored when we scored them next week, it must either clearly be announced on stage or on a slide
00:03:40 ◼ ► during the presentation. Yes. And it's the keynote because often at WWDC, there will be really
00:03:46 ◼ ► interesting things announced in the State of the Union, which happens after lunch. Doesn't count.
00:03:51 ◼ ► Doesn't count for us. Doesn't count. Doesn't count. This is a keynote draft. If me and Jason
00:03:56 ◼ ► cannot decide on the winner, we do have adjudication from Stephen Hackett. We do have an
00:04:02 ◼ ► extra thing now, which is a tiebreaker. This is something that we introduced last time, which
00:04:07 ◼ ► is a tiebreaker. So we have two ways to get out of some kind of stalemate. If in case of a tie
00:04:12 ◼ ► that we agree upon as a tie, there is a tiebreaker question. If we cannot agree, Stephen Hackett will
00:04:16 ◼ ► adjudicate, but we always prefer to score ourselves, which we will do at the beginning of next week's
00:04:22 ◼ ► WWDC reaction episode. No half points, four points only. There are no points awarded for anything
00:04:29 ◼ ► preannounced or ridiculously obvious. So for example, we cannot say iOS 13 will be announced.
00:04:35 ◼ ► In a discussion that occurred before the episode today, we have removed marzipan from this list,
00:04:41 ◼ ► as we deem it to be probably too obvious. And preannounced, essentially, because they announced
00:04:47 ◼ ► it last year on the Kina that they were going to do it this year. So I think it could be argued,
00:04:52 ◼ ► but I think we just both agreed. We're going to just take the existence of marzipan off the list.
00:04:57 ◼ ► This one kind of skirts against both of these points too closely, so we may as well remove it,
00:05:02 ◼ ► considering we have like 50 items to choose from from our master list that we create. So like,
00:05:12 ◼ ► I think we should leave it on there," my response would have been, "Okay, I pick marzipan then."
00:05:25 ◼ ► The points awarded on the episode next week are final as well. So I did mention that the winner
00:05:31 ◼ ► of the previous draft gets to pick first. And so far, there's only been one draft this year,
00:05:35 ◼ ► which was the services event draft, which Jason won, so he's going to be picking first.
00:05:48 ◼ ► we came up with the concept of the tiebreaker round, and it was what color Tim Cook's shoes were.
00:05:52 ◼ ► This time, because I want it to be something that's right. The problem is if I pick gray shoes and you
00:06:04 ◼ ► That is what we learned from the previous tiebreaker, that we needed something a little
00:06:07 ◼ ► bit more clear because who knows how we could have ever agreed on the color of the shoes.
00:06:23 ◼ ► So what we're going to do is I'm going to pick a number that is the number of times Tim Cook
00:06:28 ◼ ► appears on stage, comes on stage during the event. You could imagine an event where he's only on at
00:06:34 ◼ ► the beginning of the end would be two times. He sometimes appears as a bridging. It's a little
00:06:41 ◼ ► bit of stagecraft, right? Like they're done with the iOS stuff and Tim reappears and says,
00:06:54 ◼ ► If he introduces someone, then leaves and comes back to kind of take control after the introduction,
00:07:01 ◼ ► like imagine a demo of some kind, does that count as times that he appears on the stage?
00:07:11 ◼ ► but he leaves the stage because somebody else is out there and he's gone and then he returns,
00:07:19 ◼ ► I will say I did the math last time, and by my account, Tim only was on stage four times
00:07:26 ◼ ► last time. He was at the beginning and the end, the bridge between iOS and macOS and the bridge
00:07:31 ◼ ► between WatchOS and macOS, I think is all that he did. Maybe he was up there a fifth time. Did I?
00:07:38 ◼ ► I have to go back to the videotape, Myke. I have to do more consulting on the videotape here.
00:07:47 ◼ ► between all the different segments. And so that's going to be my pick is five. And you, Myke Hurley,
00:07:53 ◼ ► so I get five and I get all the numbers above or below five, but you get to choose which one you
00:08:00 ◼ ► prefer. Does Tim appear more than five times on stage or fewer than five times on stage?
00:08:13 ◼ ► like more different things. So I'm going to go with more than five, especially if they do any
00:08:29 ◼ ► And I'm not trying to railroad you here. I think this is the real question is like, is it,
00:08:31 ◼ ► we don't know. It's sort of like a coin flip. I've set the bar where I think based on last year,
00:08:37 ◼ ► where I think it's sort of reasonable. And then you get your 50/50. My only advantage is that I
00:08:42 ◼ ► get five and all and four, three, two, one. But I think it's more, most, you know, that, that it's
00:08:47 ◼ ► only a tiebreaker. I can't imagine. I genuinely can't imagine he will be, there will be less kind
00:08:52 ◼ ► of breaks than last year. Like I just, I would expect it's probably going to be five or more.
00:09:00 ◼ ► now that's our tiebreaker. It doesn't count for any points, but if we end up tied at the end,
00:09:03 ◼ ► that will decide it. Tim Cook's appearances. And we may have to go to the videotape ourselves
00:09:07 ◼ ► to determine that one. Yeah. That's going to be an interesting one to, uh, to score that.
00:09:12 ◼ ► So we'll, we'll, we'll have to work that out. I just say while you're watching everybody,
00:09:21 ◼ ► yeah, that's right. I do wonder if we are ever going to need a tiebreaker. Like the tiebreaker
00:09:26 ◼ ► was not introduced because we tied once. We just decided to do it. No, it's fun. We get to this
00:09:31 ◼ ► way. We get something that's not a pick, but it's also kind of weird and outlandish and, uh,
00:09:36 ◼ ► something to pay attention to. So I like that part of it. All right, let's do this. Jason,
00:09:45 ◼ ► Uh, my first pick for the WWDC keynote draft of 2019, it's like a sports draft. They keep
00:09:57 ◼ ► keynote draft of 2019. Why Myke, my first pick in the upgrade keynote draft of 2019 for WWDC is
00:10:04 ◼ ► dark mode on iOS because they added dark mode to MacOS last year in a rare move where MacOS
00:10:12 ◼ ► got a feature before iOS. That doesn't usually happen, but it's so obvious, especially with the
00:10:17 ◼ ► OLED screens that they're using, but even on the LCD backlit screens, it's there. So it's so nice.
00:10:24 ◼ ► It's a nice option for people to have actually prefer dark mode on iOS more than I prefer it on
00:10:29 ◼ ► MacOS I found, but since Apple has done the work on MacOS, I feel like it's a natural extension.
00:10:34 ◼ ► This is also one of many things that we're going to pick that have been rumored that have been
00:10:38 ◼ ► reported by various people, whether it's a gear Rambo or Mark Gurman. And, uh, I think it's only
00:10:44 ◼ ► logical that there'd be dark mode on iOS. Something that I've been thinking about when it
00:10:49 ◼ ► comes to dark mode is like what it's actually going to be like, is it going to be what we would hope it
00:10:56 ◼ ► would be, which is like that there is like, you know, they, they keep all the color, but they
00:11:00 ◼ ► make everything darker, you know, everything that's white turns black, but everything else
00:11:04 ◼ ► kind of remains the same. Or maybe there are like, you know, you get some apps that they'll change
00:11:08 ◼ ► the text sort of tint colors to different colors, or is it going to be like a gray scale mode?
00:11:13 ◼ ► Like where just everything is in black and white? I don't know. Right. Like I've been thinking about
00:11:17 ◼ ► this because I was rereading Mark Gurman's report and it, it seems to talk about like everything
00:11:24 ◼ ► being like dark and black and grays. And I was like, Hmm, I wonder what, which, which it's going
00:11:29 ◼ ► to be like, I hope that it would be how we think of dark modes now where everything that's in color
00:11:35 ◼ ► will still be in color. I think so. I think that's what I would hope, but, but we'll wait and see
00:11:40 ◼ ► what it might be. Jason is like, unless you are developing properly, that's what will happen to
00:11:45 ◼ ► you. Right? Like if you use the API's, then you can have things in color, like the, um,
00:11:54 ◼ ► and you can, uh, as a developer, if you properly support it and you can have like images, not
00:12:01 ◼ ► invert, but if you don't officially support it, they will invert. And I wonder if it could be
00:12:05 ◼ ► something like that, right? Where it's like, if you don't officially support it, we're just going
00:12:09 ◼ ► to take all the color away from you. Um, but if you do officially support it, then you can kind of
00:12:14 ◼ ► specify what, what will be what, who knows? We'll see, but this is something I desperately want.
00:12:19 ◼ ► I really do want it. Um, so I hope that they do it. Uh, it was, that was, uh, going to be my
00:12:25 ◼ ► second pick, Jason. So I had it very high up in my list. Um, I'm, I think I'm going for a pretty safe
00:12:31 ◼ ► number one, cause I want to win, uh, new Memoji sticker options. Okay. Um, I think that they will
00:12:41 ◼ ► do something, um, related to Memoji because it's only a year old. Um, and it seems to have been
00:12:49 ◼ ► popular enough, right? I think people seem to really like it. Uh, it seems to be something,
00:12:53 ◼ ► it's one of those things that I think can help sell a phone to people. Uh, but some of the rumors
00:12:59 ◼ ► have been that, you know, you will now create your Memoji and you'll be able to just choose
00:13:03 ◼ ► pre-made stickers. So you don't have to make faces every time. I would really like it for that
00:13:07 ◼ ► reason, but I would actually really like them, Apple to kind of go after Bitmoji where Bitmoji
00:13:12 ◼ ► not only creates like expressions, but things that surround them. Right. So there's like Bitmoji.
00:13:18 ◼ ► It's a congratulations and your characters in it or all sorts of sorts of stuff that they update
00:13:23 ◼ ► frequently. And I think that Bitmoji is popular enough that Apple could, could try and do something
00:13:28 ◼ ► a bit similar, but I at least think that me mode new Memoji stickers would be able to present you
00:13:33 ◼ ► with a set of effectively your own emoji that you can pick from as opposed to needing to make the
00:13:40 ◼ ► faces. Right. Like I've spoken about this in the past. This is Bitmoji where they basically,
00:13:45 ◼ ► where they're posed in certain ways, but they're using your Memoji character. Yeah. I would love
00:13:50 ◼ ► to see, you know, like all of the yellow faced emoji, right? Like the little yellow circle face
00:13:54 ◼ ► emojis. Um, they basically just recreate all of those with my own face. That's what I would love.
00:14:01 ◼ ► Right. So like, then I have my own emoji at that point. Right. And put in the me in Memoji.
00:14:07 ◼ ► I was reluctant to pick this because it's so specific and I'm not a hundred percent sure. I,
00:14:12 ◼ ► I'm, I'm pretty sure there will be something related to Memoji and Animoji because aren't,
00:14:16 ◼ ► why would there not be? Um, but the stickers, I wasn't a hundred percent on that. So that's a bold
00:14:22 ◼ ► pick, but I think, uh, you love it. So that's the, the part of the balance of the draft.
00:14:26 ◼ ► There is a part of it of wish casting. Yeah, it does happen. You got to fight against the
00:14:29 ◼ ► wish casting. Um, all right. For my next pick, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go big. Myke, it's the big one.
00:14:36 ◼ ► It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen very much like it did a couple of years ago with the iMac pro.
00:14:41 ◼ ► It is the unveiling of the new Mac pro. Wow. Jason, you have picked this much earlier in the
00:14:49 ◼ ► draft than I was expecting. It would come out in the draft because this is one of those things where
00:14:56 ◼ ► we all feel like it should happen. Right. But I don't know. I just, I agree with you. Right.
00:15:04 ◼ ► I completely agree with you. I feel certain now of course, watch them not do it, but I feel like
00:15:08 ◼ ► this is the audience. This is the place they've already said it's coming. It's not going to be
00:15:12 ◼ ► real like released, but like what they did with the iMac pro, this is going to be their
00:15:19 ◼ ► sneak peek to get the developers whipped in a frenzy. Um, we'll, we'll know that it's coming
00:15:24 ◼ ► and you know, and, but that'll be, that'll be it until it ships. And maybe that maybe it'll again
00:15:30 ◼ ► ship in December or something like the iMac pro did. Who knows? I agree with all of that. Right.
00:15:39 ◼ ► but I'm, there's just something where I'm, I'm not, I just don't feel a hundred percent on it.
00:15:49 ◼ ► we wouldn't have heard anything more about it. Right. Because they would keep it close to their
00:15:53 ◼ ► chest. And I guess, you know, where we are sitting right now, there's not been any like
00:16:02 ◼ ► It's already also technically been announced that it's coming. So it's in a weird in-between state.
00:16:09 ◼ ► Yeah. Um, and I don't know where they're making it and I don't know when they're making it and
00:16:13 ◼ ► it's possible. I think this, I think this gives them the opportunity to impress people. We have
00:16:19 ◼ ► gotten little clues about what it's like that have leaked out, but I feel like they, they, they have
00:16:24 ◼ ► the opportunity with this product to, um, announce it well in advance and, uh, and blow people away.
00:16:30 ◼ ► So I think they're going to do it. I, I, I don't know why they wouldn't. Right. Like if it's going
00:16:35 ◼ ► to ship this year and they've already said that it's coming, the developer audience is the place
00:16:41 ◼ ► to drop that product. Yeah. So one of the things I think about when I'm going into the draft is I
00:16:50 ◼ ► try and put myself into Apple's mindset of like, what is it that they want to market to the mass
00:16:58 ◼ ► especially on the iPhone. And it feels like this year there maybe might not be a ton for the iPhone.
00:17:04 ◼ ► Right. Like it feels like a lot of maybe the iOS work will be on the iPad this year. Right. So I
00:17:09 ◼ ► thought, well, if they want to show off, like what, what are some of the big features coming
00:17:12 ◼ ► to iOS? Um, I think they're going to do a, another demo of Apple arcade. Oh, right. Because this will
00:17:19 ◼ ► be something that they can show. They can maybe have, nobody has come out and demoed a game.
00:17:24 ◼ ► Yep. They didn't do any of that. Right. Like they just showed videos and stuff. Um, so we may see
00:17:28 ◼ ► somebody come out. They may want to say something to the developers in the audience, right. About
00:17:33 ◼ ► kind of like to, to get people excited about why they want to submit their game to Apple arcade.
00:17:38 ◼ ► But I think that this will be one of the things that they, they come out and they show it off.
00:17:41 ◼ ► And Zach in the chat room, Zach Knox, by the way, creates the incredible, uh, interactive draft
00:17:47 ◼ ► scorecard, which you'll find in the show notes. So you can, uh, score along with us next week,
00:17:51 ◼ ► as well as the PDF version. But Jack mentioned game demo on stage. I think moving forward,
00:17:55 ◼ ► the only game demos, uh, Apple arcade game demos, right? Like that's how that's going to be. Like,
00:18:00 ◼ ► this is not the pick, but that's probably what will happen into the future. I don't know because
00:18:04 ◼ ► like, uh, unless it's huge, unless they get like epic to come. I think, I think you make a good
00:18:10 ◼ ► point, which is that why, if you're going to show off the GPU on the new iPhone in the fall,
00:18:14 ◼ ► why not make it a developer who's developing that? And it's going to be exclusive in Apple arcade.
00:18:18 ◼ ► Right. I think there's some, there's something to be said for that. Uh, we may get like an AR demo
00:18:24 ◼ ► or something like that, but even then they may, they may try to have it be just Apple arcade,
00:18:27 ◼ ► but you're, you're specifically saying some something on stage. Now you say demo. So are
00:18:32 ◼ ► we going to see a game demonstrated? Is that what we're measuring here? Not just mentioning
00:18:35 ◼ ► Apple arcade again, but demonstrating a game. Well, I kind of mean just like showing it off
00:18:40 ◼ ► a little bit, like not necessarily demoing a game, but like, it's gonna, it's gonna get some time,
00:18:44 ◼ ► right. That they're going to talk about Apple arcade. They're going to show off Apple arcade.
00:18:47 ◼ ► Like it's going to be a part of the iOS presentation. Basically Apple arcade showed off
00:18:52 ◼ ► and we'll, we can debate whether it's showed off or not. If they mentioned that it exists and then
00:18:56 ◼ ► move on, I think maybe you don't get a point, but if they, if they go into some detail and,
00:19:00 ◼ ► and brag about it a little bit, then I think you got it. Yeah. Cause I just, you know, I think that
00:19:05 ◼ ► they want to keep the services narrative going, right. Like just to keep refreshing people on it.
00:19:10 ◼ ► And I think that it will be, it will be, it will be a part of iOS 13. My concern about this pick
00:19:17 ◼ ► is that this is the developer conference and Apple arcade is invitation only. Yeah. And I think you
00:19:24 ◼ ► can spin that as being sort of like aspirational and talk to your app store contact. If you've got
00:19:29 ◼ ► an idea and all of those things, another thing from Zach in the chat room during WWDC, there are
00:19:34 ◼ ► labs to pitch your game. Oh, well there you go. So, I mean, that, that would be how they'd have to
00:19:38 ◼ ► pitch it though, because at the services narrative, it's a service event. It's very much like the
00:19:43 ◼ ► narrative is we have hand selected the finest of the cream of the cross. Yeah, that's right. Only
00:19:49 ◼ ► the five star game developers, but then everybody else is like, Oh, I got, I make games. I want to
00:19:53 ◼ ► be in the Apple arcade. And so how you mentioned you message that to developers, but that may be
00:19:57 ◼ ► part of the conversation is like, what are we looking for and come to come see us. And we're
00:20:02 ◼ ► going to have a whole thing where you can go and, and pitch us on your game that you're, you know,
00:20:06 ◼ ► that you're developing, but we don't want and probably things like we don't want ideas. We want
00:20:10 ◼ ► games. We want to see stuff. Yeah. Hey, it's another idea though, why I think this work in my
00:20:16 ◼ ► favor. Apple arcade is not just an iOS. If they need things for the tvOS portion of the keynote,
00:20:22 ◼ ► that's true. Apple arcade might fit into that quite nicely. Right. Because what else are they
00:20:27 ◼ ► going to put on tvOS? I'm not really sure. So that's our first two picks. We have eight more
00:20:34 ◼ ► picks to go, um, as well as some bonus rounds, um, at the end of the draft today. So this feels
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00:22:17 ◼ ► Oh boy, I am going to go with, when in doubt, go with good rumor, I say. And not entirely
00:22:27 ◼ ► wish casting, but I think that it is, uh, an intriguing feature and so specific that it must
00:22:35 ◼ ► actually exist, which is a screen or window sharing feature between Mac and iOS. This is the
00:22:42 ◼ ► Luna display, like way of Mac apps displaying on iPads that I think is a wacky idea. And yet
00:22:56 ◼ ► the rumor is so specific that I kind of feel like it's gotta be true. So I choose to believe
00:23:03 ◼ ► the lie here. I have yet to get my head around what I think this feature is actually going to
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00:23:16 ◼ ► operate in here, right? Whether they straight up do like what, who are our next sponsor on today's
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00:23:25 ◼ ► can just share app at a time, like a window at a time, or if there's actually no sharing going on
00:23:30 ◼ ► at all. And it's just a beefing up of continuity. Like, I feel like I don't know, like, is it going
00:23:36 ◼ ► to be marzipan apps only? Is it going to be any type of app? Like it's, it is an intriguing idea
00:23:42 ◼ ► and Apple have in theory, the tools to do it, but I have yet to really nail down and I don't,
00:23:49 ◼ ► and I don't think I will be able to like, what do I actually think this feature is going to look like?
00:23:53 ◼ ► I want to wait and see what they show me. But what's the, the, what's the spin they put on
00:23:58 ◼ ► it? Cause I agree with you. I think the question is, I don't think that they're just going to knock
00:24:01 ◼ ► off Luna display, right? Um, I, I, I think as I do for most things that are features that are done by
00:24:07 ◼ ► third parties and then Apple builds something is Apple's not trying to hit the edges. It's trying
00:24:12 ◼ ► to do something that it thinks the masses will like. Cause I, I still don't think that Apple
00:24:16 ◼ ► are going to make a feature where they basically say your iPad is just a good display for your Mac.
00:24:28 ◼ ► command click or control click on this thing in the toolbar or whatever. And your Photoshop window
00:24:39 ◼ ► it's more like handoff or it's more like a, you know, almost like a, uh, expose kind of thing
00:24:45 ◼ ► where it's this, you know, you're sending a window over there. It's like something completely new for
00:24:50 ◼ ► Mazapan apps. It's kind of none of those things, right? Like it's like, Oh, it's this thing that
00:24:55 ◼ ► Mazapan apps can do, but it's such a specific thing that I feel like it's probably true.
00:24:59 ◼ ► And therefore I'm picking it and I can't wait to see what it actually is. And I can go, Oh yeah,
00:25:03 ◼ ► that's the thing I picked, I guess. And we'll move on from there. Cause it's a draft, but yeah,
00:25:08 ◼ ► I feel like something that specific is probably true. And so I'm going to trust in the report
00:25:13 ◼ ► that there's something going on involving, uh, stuff shooting out of the Mac and landing on an
00:25:19 ◼ ► iOS screen. That's a, that's very, uh, that's a, that's a, that's an image. My third pick is
00:25:26 ◼ ► multiple windows or instances of applications on the iPad. Okay. This is a difficult one because
00:25:33 ◼ ► no one can really decide what this rumor means, right? Like we hear, we've spoken about this so
00:25:41 ◼ ► many times now, but right. Tabs or words side by sides or different pairs of multitasking,
00:25:48 ◼ ► who knows? We're going to know it when we see it. Right. So the third round is the vague round is
00:25:53 ◼ ► what you're saying. It seems like it, but like, I think that this is basically what we're going to
00:26:00 ◼ ► see is you will be able to have the same app in more than one place. And that could be either that
00:26:05 ◼ ► an application can have multiple windows open and they look like split view now, or you can have an
00:26:11 ◼ ► application in multiple places, like in multiple app pairs and it doesn't break them down. Like
00:26:16 ◼ ► apps can live in multiple places, um, on, uh, on iOS, uh, on the iPad. So this is one of those
00:26:23 ◼ ► things where like the wording of this one might not be what we see it, but when we see it, we'll
00:26:27 ◼ ► know what it is. If you know what I mean. So, uh, I, this feels like something that is inevitable.
00:26:35 ◼ ► It feels like a feature that should have existed a long time ago. And it definitely feels like
00:26:39 ◼ ► something that is more possible when you think about these applications also being on the Mac.
00:26:51 ◼ ► This is one, one solution that, uh, handles, uh, how those apps behave on marzipan on the
00:26:58 ◼ ► Mac and allows them to enable features on iPad. Yeah. Round four. Round four. Okay. Um,
00:27:08 ◼ ► Myke, I want to win too. And that's why I'm going to pick more watch faces for watchOS.
00:27:16 ◼ ► All right. Okay. Cause what's watchOS without new watch faces made by Apple. Uh, it's nothing.
00:27:25 ◼ ► There are always new watch faces made by Apple. We can be frustrated because they won't fix their
00:27:29 ◼ ► old faces. We can be frustrated because there are no third-party faces, but if time has taught us
00:27:33 ◼ ► anything, it's that with every new release of watchOS, there are new Apple designed watch faces.
00:27:38 ◼ ► And why should that, why should time stop now? Time has been good for us so far. So I think
00:27:43 ◼ ► that will continue into the future. And yes, I know this is boring, but, uh, I think it's
00:27:58 ◼ ► That's maybe a different pick question. Yeah. And we'll, we'll guess we'll find out about that,
00:28:12 ◼ ► from our government at Bloomberg, it doesn't really feel like there is a ton of stuff in there,
00:28:16 ◼ ► which is particularly useful rather than just being nice to look at a demo, but, but I guess
00:28:21 ◼ ► we'll wait and see about that. My wish casting is that they are going to go through and actually
00:28:25 ◼ ► update all their old faces to be good again, um, instead of leaving them kind of in their
00:28:31 ◼ ► frozen state. Uh, but that's, we'll see. I, they got so much criticism last fall for what a, uh,
00:28:57 ◼ ► there are a lot of, uh, picks in our list that are ramifications of Marzipan existing. Um,
00:29:14 ◼ ► right? That that is going to be an application that they bring over and it looks just like the
00:29:18 ◼ ► iOS app or whatever the new version of that is. Right. So you're, you're, you're like sneaking
00:29:23 ◼ ► in here cause I have bulleted below it. There are some specific apps, but you're just saying,
00:29:36 ◼ ► ours from iOS and now it is running on the Mac. Okay. That's what I'm going with. All right. That
00:29:42 ◼ ► I think that's, I think the only tricky thing, I think it's obviously going to happen. I think
00:29:45 ◼ ► the only tricky thing is, uh, whether they brag about it or not, but I think they probably will
00:29:50 ◼ ► because they were going to want to evangelize to developers. This is why I was thinking that,
00:29:54 ◼ ► that we're eating our own dog food even more than we did last year when we had those four apps,
00:29:57 ◼ ► there are even more apps that are more capable and you can make apps like this too using the
00:30:03 ◼ ► same methods as us. Yeah. Okay. I could see that. This isn't my pick, but if we're going to add a
00:30:07 ◼ ► little bit more color to it, I think that they will show off an application that is more complex
00:30:18 ◼ ► right? Because in theory, Apple need to show that any application can work here, right? Like that's
00:30:25 ◼ ► kind of what they will want to show, right? Like you can bring any application no matter how
00:30:29 ◼ ► big and strong your app is. And I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of surprise,
00:30:35 ◼ ► right? Where they're like, Oh, you know, this app that we were working on, or like we have,
00:30:39 ◼ ► you know, we have this application that is on iOS and on the Mac. Well, now we're just using the iOS
00:30:44 ◼ ► code base. Right. And it would be like, wow, they must really believe in it if they're bringing
00:30:49 ◼ ► calendar, right? You know what I mean? Like it's, yeah. You know what I mean? Where it's like,
00:30:53 ◼ ► they actually bring an important app or like notes or messages, right? Like they're just like, well,
00:30:58 ◼ ► messages is the iOS version now and that's that. And that actually makes a lot of sense that it
00:31:02 ◼ ► would do that. So I think that they will make a song and dance about some, some kind of,
00:31:07 ◼ ► some applications coming over and there'll probably be some important ones as well to kind of really
00:31:12 ◼ ► show that, um, Apple believe in these tools. Yeah, I think that's a pretty good one. Pretty good pick
00:31:18 ◼ ► pick five. I'm going to go with a non. Well, no, this, this would probably be a Mars and pan
00:31:22 ◼ ► app actually. So it might be, it might count as yours, but it's new on Mac. And that is,
00:31:27 ◼ ► that is why I want to mention here is because it's not just that it's a Mars and pan demo,
00:31:30 ◼ ► but because Apple has promised that there will be support for the TV service on the Mac this fall.
00:31:40 ◼ ► And so I want to pick that they're going to show off not necessarily demo, but show at the very
00:31:46 ◼ ► least and mentioned there'll be some images on a slide, the new TV app on Mac OS, because it is
00:31:54 ◼ ► something that again, it's, its existence is implied, but I think this will be an opportunity
00:32:02 ◼ ► for them to S to show us that. Yes. Yes. Cause this has been the question people have been asking
00:32:07 ◼ ► is like, well, where's the TV app? Like there's iTunes on the network. There's going to, there,
00:32:10 ◼ ► there needs to be a TV app that you say that you're going to support TV in the fall. So where
00:32:14 ◼ ► is it? So we're going to see it. They're going to be like, yes, the Apple TV app is now on Mac OS
00:32:19 ◼ ► with, uh, you know, presumably in the fall with the new OS version, although I wouldn't put it
00:32:23 ◼ ► past them to actually also release it, uh, on, on Mojave, but it depends on Mars, a pan, right.
00:32:34 ◼ ► Yeah. And again, it's like the, obviously the Mac will really have some time to shine, uh,
00:32:40 ◼ ► in the keynote this year, probably more than it has in many years, right? Like what will be considered
00:32:45 ◼ ► in the Mac OS section is going to be a lot more beefy, I think this year, uh, than it has been in
00:32:50 ◼ ► some previous years, but they still need stuff to show as like features, right. That Apple has made
00:32:57 ◼ ► and TV is one of them. It's an easy one to show. All right. So we're still in round five,
00:33:03 ◼ ► my fifth pick is a redesigned reminders app. Um, this one has been rumored enough for me to feel
00:33:11 ◼ ► like it's going to happen, especially because it is one of those things which feels serious,
00:33:16 ◼ ► seriously overdue that there would be some kind of, uh, update to reminders. So we're going to see,
00:33:21 ◼ ► uh, I think a, a big, some big changes happening to the reminders app, um, in iOS 13, again,
00:33:28 ◼ ► Jason could be another candidate for, for Mars upon it could be on the Mac, but also the idea
00:33:33 ◼ ► that they, well, and they could talk about how they made all these changes and that they propagate to
00:33:37 ◼ ► the Mac because the Mac version is going to also be Mars pan. They didn't need to build two different
00:33:40 ◼ ► versions of the apps. Um, I think that's going to be an interesting story, right? That Apple
00:33:45 ◼ ► needed to take its team that was spending time building a Mac version of the app and they,
00:33:49 ◼ ► they stopped. They don't need to anymore. They just build the Mars, a pan version that goes
00:33:52 ◼ ► everywhere. Uh, I know that some people who use reminders as a super simple reminders app
00:33:56 ◼ ► are a little concerned that it's going to get features and be complicated. My guess is that,
00:34:00 ◼ ► again, that doesn't sound like Apple and that there will be ways to just use it in the most
00:34:04 ◼ ► simple of modes, but having a little more, you can make it more complicated, but it won't necessarily
00:34:10 ◼ ► be if you don't want to use it that way. Like the stuff you can do to tasks that you put in,
00:34:14 ◼ ► but they don't necessarily all need that. If you know what I mean, right? Like you can start
00:34:23 ◼ ► you can just run it the way that it has been. I would be super surprised if, if Apple made this
00:34:28 ◼ ► app more complicated for everyone that's currently using it. Cause I expect quite a lot of people use
00:34:34 ◼ ► it. Yeah. I'm sure that they will come on stage and they will say like, reminders is the most
00:34:39 ◼ ► used to do application on iOS in the world because it's the one that's built in. So I hope that they
00:34:48 ◼ ► make it better. Like again, we spoke about this, but like they made notes better. I would love to
00:34:52 ◼ ► see that for reminders. All right. Round six. Yep. Okay. I think this is, this is a little bit of a
00:35:00 ◼ ► strategy kind of, um, not draft strategy, Apple strategy kind of pick, which is, I feel like one
00:35:05 ◼ ► of the things they do and they, they've done this in the past when they talk about tvOS.
00:35:09 ◼ ► Look, there's not a lot in tvOS, but you know, what comes along with tvOS is tv strategy and deals.
00:35:17 ◼ ► And that's why I'm going to pick that Apple is going to announce some partnerships either for
00:35:23 ◼ ► the TV service or for Apple TV channels. Uh, just because I feel like this is the place where they
00:35:31 ◼ ► would do that and talk about how, you know, we're really happy to announce that now we've added blah,
00:35:40 ◼ ► you said this to me earlier. It's the developer conference. Yeah, I know. And yet, uh, last,
00:35:50 ◼ ► Or, I mean, you look at Apple music because I'm not, I'm not sure that they've got much more to
00:35:55 ◼ ► say about tvOS to be honest. So I feel like it's a, it's an opportunity for them to mention,
00:36:01 ◼ ► uh, that new, you know, these new channels are going to be, you know, we already rolled them
00:36:05 ◼ ► out on tvOS and now, but they're going to be better because we added, you know, some service
00:36:10 ◼ ► that is not currently on there. And so I'm just, I feel like I don't even know what this would be,
00:36:14 ◼ ► but I feel like I don't want to bet against Apple announcing some sort of, uh, TV related partnership
00:36:21 ◼ ► because they do that. I'm struggling with this pick. Uh, it's got, I don't know if this is
00:36:28 ◼ ► something that I'm saying because I want it or if I actually think it's going to happen.
00:36:42 ◼ ► redesigns to the iPad multitasking features. I don't really know how to class this. Um,
00:36:48 ◼ ► yep. Because I, you know, I don't think if we say redesign, I don't think they're going to do like
00:36:53 ◼ ► what they did in iOS 12 or 11, I should say where they just completely overhaul the whole thing.
00:36:59 ◼ ► But I believe that we will look at I iPad multitasking, you know, on, on iOS. Um, and I'm
00:37:05 ◼ ► focusing on iPad more than anything else. Uh, but we will look at the iPad, the way that iPad does
00:37:11 ◼ ► multitasking and be like, Oh, that's, that's different in some key ways. Um, so I think for
00:37:16 ◼ ► the pick, I would say to iPad multitasking, um, just, do you think that that seems fair?
00:37:21 ◼ ► Yeah. I, um, had this on my list very high and kept thinking about, do I want to go here?
00:37:28 ◼ ► How will I redefine it? I went through everything that you went through. So I think, uh, I think
00:37:33 ◼ ► that's a reasonable way of doing it. Yeah. Like it, that, that, that, that, I just feel like if
00:37:38 ◼ ► they're going to do the multiple window stuff, they do need to make some changes at least.
00:37:52 ◼ ► straightforward. And I think that now everyone's lived with it for a couple of years. I would
00:37:58 ◼ ► really like to see Apple say like, we're going to keep what we have, but we have some new ways
00:38:02 ◼ ► to make it a little bit easier to access. That's what I would like to see, you know, um, do you
00:38:08 ◼ ► agree like that? It's like, we're used to it and it seems fine, but it could be, it could be better.
00:38:14 ◼ ► Yeah. And it may just be, um, Federico has talked about this a lot, like, and you and Gray talked
00:38:19 ◼ ► about it. Like it may just be as simple as, um, the visual highlight of like where the keyboard
00:38:25 ◼ ► control is, or it may just be some keyboard shortcut additions, or it may just be a little
00:38:34 ◼ ► together. It could be a wholesale change, but, uh, but something I have a hard time believing
00:38:42 ◼ ► they would leave it alone completely after two years. Yeah. Cause they didn't the last time,
00:38:47 ◼ ► right? I was nine till I was 11. So yeah. And you've, you've got multiple windows and instances
00:38:52 ◼ ► of apps on iPad also as a pick. So I think these may go together because how could you do one
00:38:57 ◼ ► without the other? Yeah, exactly. Right. Like they, they kind of need each other. All right.
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00:41:04 ◼ ► I think it's going to happen, Myke. I think the thing that we've been dreaming about for all this
00:41:09 ◼ ► time is finally going to come to pass and iTunes is gone and dead and we don't have to worry about
00:41:14 ◼ ► iTunes anymore. They've killed it. They've murdered it. They're going to replace it with
00:41:18 ◼ ► something brand new and shiny. Oh, wait a second. I'm wait. What was that? Oh, no word has reached
00:41:24 ◼ ► these shores that instead what Apple is going to do is just rename iTunes to music and take out a
00:41:29 ◼ ► bunch of features that they're going to move to Mars Pan apps, but that's my pick a quote new
00:41:34 ◼ ► music app on the Mac. So here's my question. Well, for this picked account, are we looking
00:41:43 ◼ ► at an app called music? Is that what we're looking for? Basically? Yeah. Yeah. So there is an app
00:41:48 ◼ ► called if they decide to do a Mars, a pan version of the music app on iOS and put that on the Mac,
00:41:52 ◼ ► that would count. But the rumor is strong that it's not that. And then it is instead just iTunes
00:41:58 ◼ ► kind of refactored, but either way I'm saying, yes, the iTunes app brand goes away and we return
00:42:05 ◼ ► to a music or we go to the music app, the branding that already exists on iOS, the death of iTunes.
00:42:11 ◼ ► Huh? Can we ever really kill it? I don't know, but it's slowly happening. So that's good. Yeah.
00:42:19 ◼ ► I've been one. I've been really wondering about this myself. Like, and I know, I know what the
00:42:23 ◼ ► rumors are and I know what people are saying and et cetera, et cetera. But like, I'm just wondering,
00:42:28 ◼ ► like, is this really gonna like, what is this going to be? Like, is it going to be just as
00:42:33 ◼ ► simple as this is the skeleton, the iTunes, right? Like it just seems so strange to me to do that.
00:42:40 ◼ ► I mean, you could UI wise, you're just dropping out those extra features that you get to by going
00:42:45 ◼ ► command two, command three, command four, command five. You just pull those all out. Right. It may,
00:42:49 ◼ ► it may make it simpler. The Apple music experience in iTunes, it sucks. It feels like you're using a
00:42:56 ◼ ► web browser. Well, because you are, it's fine. It's fine. I use iTunes and Apple music every day,
00:43:13 ◼ ► if it makes sense for the music app to just be the marzipan version. But I think if I'm Apple
00:43:20 ◼ ► and I already had the iTunes team working, maybe there are some reasons like device sinking. They
00:43:24 ◼ ► can keep that stuff in there to keep iTunes around. And maybe the argument was really just,
00:43:28 ◼ ► look, we've got to bring all these other media apps over to the Mac. Why don't we just leave
00:43:33 ◼ ► music where it is? It's fine. We're going to lose lots of features if we go to, as we've all
00:43:38 ◼ ► elaborated on various podcasts over the last month, if you just took the music app from iOS
00:43:42 ◼ ► and put it on the Mac, you would lose a lot of functionality. And so a good product manager might
00:43:49 ◼ ► end up deciding, you know, let's leave it for now. Let's, we'll pull all this other stuff out.
00:43:53 ◼ ► That'll be good for our app. And then it's got the existing functionality for music built in.
00:43:58 ◼ ► We don't have to rebuild it. Let's just do that. So I think, I think it may be a very pragmatic
00:44:02 ◼ ► decision. Plus it may have been a decision made earlier that I don't know. I don't know, but I
00:44:08 ◼ ► think either way, I think maybe we finally reached the point with Marzipan where they're going to sync
00:44:13 ◼ ► up their media apps. And once you create sort of podcasts and TV, then maybe the iTunes app,
00:44:28 ◼ ► As we move into round seven, I'm now at the point where I'm rearranging my entire list,
00:44:38 ◼ ► So now I'm going to go with pick number seven, new health focused watch apps. So Apple will introduce
00:44:56 ◼ ► Apple is very aware of the fact that the Apple watch is a health device for a lot of people.
00:45:01 ◼ ► And even for people that don't consider it their health device, they use some of the health features
00:45:06 ◼ ► on the device because it has all the senses. Like it's, it's good. Um, we've heard rumors of some
00:45:11 ◼ ► stuff and, and, you know, like, I like the idea of the medicine tracker and stuff like that,
00:45:15 ◼ ► and the menstruation tracking features. And if they can, they can have this stuff available
00:45:21 ◼ ► to people and they'll give it a little brand naming and stuff like that. And it will be like
00:45:24 ◼ ► exclusive to the Apple watch. And it's like a good reason to use the Apple watch. Fantastic. Right.
00:45:29 ◼ ► Like, you know, I would say right that if they have really good pill tracking, like I know that
00:45:38 ◼ ► Oh man, like I, that's going to be a feature, like just another little pebble for me being like,
00:45:45 ◼ ► Oh, that's something I want. Right. But I don't wear an Apple watch now, so I wouldn't have it.
00:45:52 ◼ ► just add these little pebbles in of like, Oh, actually quite like that. So I think that,
00:45:57 ◼ ► I think it would be really good. Um, I, I would, I would, you know, I'd be very confident about
00:46:04 ◼ ► the fact that there will be some kind of new health apps on the Apple watch. Cause you say
00:46:08 ◼ ► it's like, what else are you going to do with it? Watch faces and health apps. Like that's,
00:46:23 ◼ ► I am, you know, I'm going to double down. I'm going to double down on the big one, Myke.
00:46:30 ◼ ► I'm going to double down on the big one. John Syracuse, are you out there? Are you listing
00:46:47 ◼ ► Okay. Okay. Right. Cause cause you'll say, oh, new Mac pro what? Oh, everybody's growing wild.
00:46:59 ◼ ► I can see it. I can see it. I can smell it. Wow. Okay. Apple made display. We're back in the Apple
00:47:15 ◼ ► Well, I mean, it will be great, but I just don't know how much showing off they're going to do.
00:47:23 ◼ ► Well, again, how much showing off do they need to do? They can acknowledge its existence.
00:47:28 ◼ ► But they could also say it's an ultra wide 31 and a half inch HDR, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:48 ◼ ► for this one. I think that might be the wildest one. I'm not saying it won't come true,
00:47:55 ◼ ► but like, uh, there are lots of things still in our list that are much more conservative
00:48:08 ◼ ► It's a shame really, cause I'm going so boring now because you just went so outlandish, but
00:48:19 ◼ ► Um, this is something, you know, you spoke, you mentioned this a few weeks ago, right? Like
00:48:24 ◼ ► the idea of let's use this year is also a time to just bring more iOS stuff to the Mac again.
00:48:36 ◼ ► control stuff, but also to be able to give you a full picture on what you're doing with your
00:48:41 ◼ ► devices, right? Like people can be as addicted to a laptop as they can be a phone. Right? Like,
00:48:47 ◼ ► and if that's what we're really trying to do here is to set this kind of stuff up, then let's see,
00:48:51 ◼ ► let's see what that could look like. So screen time on the Mac, um, I would personally really
00:49:02 ◼ ► controls on the Mac is not very good. And so rolling screen time in and hooking it all up
00:49:08 ◼ ► together so that you can administer screen time for all devices. My kids have Macs and iOS devices
00:49:21 ◼ ► needs to change. Um, whether it happens this year, the rumors are that it will so great.
00:49:29 ◼ ► We have two more picks each. It's true. It's true. Um, my next pick is going to be a little
00:49:36 ◼ ► more conservative than the last one. Uh, but I do have a, well, I don't have a spin on it. I want
00:49:40 ◼ ► you to visualize something. Myke, I want to want you to visualize what podcasts are displayed in
00:49:46 ◼ ► the screenshots. When Apple shows off the new Mac version of the podcast app. Well, who knows
00:49:56 ◼ ► visualize upgrade visualize upgrade. Yeah. Anyway, congratulations to this American life
00:50:02 ◼ ► and serial for appearing in the demo of the new podcast app. And maybe I don't know that one
00:50:09 ◼ ► about the serial killer in LA, the dirty John. Is that the name of it anyway? Which serial killer
00:50:15 ◼ ► do you want to pick all the true crime podcasts? Congratulations to them for that. But yes, I do
00:50:20 ◼ ► think, uh, kind of going with my pick about the music app on the Mac and your pick about showing
00:50:26 ◼ ► off Mars, a pan apps. I feel like podcasts is a great example of Apple pulling out, uh,
00:50:33 ◼ ► functionality from iOS and giving it its own dedicated space on the Mac. It feels like a
00:50:37 ◼ ► marketing feature now, like, Hey, podcasts, you like those, right? Like it more than ever. Now
00:50:42 ◼ ► podcasts is an actual thing that you can put into marketing and that you love podcasts, right?
00:50:47 ◼ ► Wouldn't you love to listen to them when you're at work on your Mac as well? Well, we have a podcast
00:50:51 ◼ ► app like as if, as if podcasts never existed on the Mac before is probably how they're going to
00:50:55 ◼ ► sell this. Um, so, but I, I would like genuinely, I would like to see it. Uh, I think it would be
00:51:01 ◼ ► great to see a version of the Apple podcast app as its own thing of its own icon on the Mac, right?
00:51:09 ◼ ► Like it was important when that happened for iOS, it will be important when it happens for the Mac
00:51:13 ◼ ► as well. So I would really like to see it. I have flip-flopped on this next one quite a lot because
00:51:19 ◼ ► it feels like something that should happen. It feels like something that would tick a lot of
00:51:23 ◼ ► boxes from a few months ago, but still at the same time, I'm just not a hundred percent sure if I
00:51:29 ◼ ► believe it, um, external storage device support for iOS. Wow. This is the most wishy of wish
00:51:38 ◼ ► casting picks here. I love it. Here's the thing though. Let's make it happen. Okay. Do we have
00:51:43 ◼ ► the power to make it happen? To be honest now, I don't care about this, Jason, I would never use
00:51:47 ◼ ► this feature, right? Like you just want your co-host to stop, uh, talking about it. Don't you
00:51:52 ◼ ► know, just shut up. Here's the reason I want this because I want iPad reviews to stop talking about
00:51:59 ◼ ► this. All right. Well, yeah. Yup. I get it. Because I really believe now I know that there
00:52:05 ◼ ► are some people again, like including Federico cause he does this, but I know most of the people
00:52:13 ◼ ► would never use it anyway. Right. It's true. I think it's a useful, um, representative feature
00:52:21 ◼ ► of, um, the iPad pro reviews talking about how USB C is on them, but they don't enable a lot
00:52:29 ◼ ► of functionality because essentially there are no device drivers for them and built into the OS.
00:52:35 ◼ ► It is wider than, than the idea of just external storage. Right. But people just categorize it as
00:52:40 ◼ ► such, but it's an, it's an easy example. Like you can't plug in a thumb drive. And so, you know,
00:52:45 ◼ ► you've got USB C, but you can't plug in a thumb drive. I think, and that's why I would be, um,
00:52:49 ◼ ► see, this is where I am with this mic. I would be shocked if Apple didn't address this because they
00:53:02 ◼ ► this was a feature that they delayed from last year. And this is, you know, this was the problem
00:53:06 ◼ ► is they got beaten up. They did not get this thing in there. And then the USB C iPads come out and
00:53:11 ◼ ► everybody goes, you can't treat them like USB devices because they don't do anything. So I would
00:53:17 ◼ ► be shocked if they don't address it just because they want like you, they want to stop hearing
00:53:21 ◼ ► about that. That said, I have been burned on this feature. So this feature should have been added to
00:53:26 ◼ ► iOS five years ago. Right. And so part of me says there's a little voice inside my head that
00:53:32 ◼ ► saying they're never going to do it because they should have done it five years ago, but here we
00:53:38 ◼ ► are. So I hope they, I hope they finally do. I hope they were embarrassed enough by the iPad pro
00:53:41 ◼ ► reviews to finally actually add this feature that should have been there five years. Yeah.
00:53:45 ◼ ► I do think though, the change point for why it would happen now and not five years ago is USB C
00:53:51 ◼ ► over lightning. Right. I agree. I agree that that is a good plus, you know, the files app is more
00:53:56 ◼ ► advanced than it was five years ago and all that. I get it. I get it now. I hope you're right.
00:54:02 ◼ ► It really just to me, like we've said about, I want to just like double down on the point,
00:54:06 ◼ ► right? Like that, even if this is something I didn't want to do, you just do it. So it just,
00:54:10 ◼ ► just, just let's, let's move the narrative on from this one point, but also as well, it is, um,
00:54:17 ◼ ► if you want to continue to show the iPad as a more professional device, this is just like another
00:54:21 ◼ ► check box that you can put on a list, right? Like the Apple could just be like, Oh no, we do think
00:54:26 ◼ ► of it as a, as a tried and true full computer because you can plug a thumb drive into it if
00:54:30 ◼ ► you want to. And it's like a super boring thing, but will, it will make people happy, even if they
00:54:38 ◼ ► would never use it because now they know they can and it's available to them. And that's great news.
00:54:47 ◼ ► You know, it's a little bit of an esoteric feature, but I can see how they're going to pitch it on
00:54:52 ◼ ► stage as a great iOS feature for iPad, which is, you know, essentially, Hey, you've been using your
00:55:00 ◼ ► iPad and then you've loaded a weird like cell phone version and thought, but I'm on this
00:55:04 ◼ ► beautiful big screen. Why am I viewing the cell phone version of this website? Well, now with iOS
00:55:08 ◼ ► 13 Safari on iPad, you don't have to, uh, there's, there's a user, there's a user pitch here. And I
00:55:14 ◼ ► don't think this is going to be a major feature, but I think that this is going to be in their list
00:55:17 ◼ ► of iPad features is, is that you can, you can have a Safari on iPad act more like a desktop browser.
00:55:22 ◼ ► And not like a mobile browser. So in, in, from a technical perspective, like in essence,
00:55:27 ◼ ► what it's doing is you don't need to say request desktop mode anymore. Yeah. That's basically it.
00:55:32 ◼ ► Or whether it's by default or whether you can set per site to load the desktop version instead,
00:55:43 ◼ ► you're going to be able to set Safari to, to on the iPad to act more like a desktop browser and not
00:55:49 ◼ ► like a, uh, not like a mobile browser. Yep. My hope would be that like this, this idea is tied
00:55:55 ◼ ► into something else, right? Where it's like, Hey, but you know how some, some old websites don't
00:56:00 ◼ ► even work with touch. Well now, because you can use a cursor on now we've enabled additional
00:56:05 ◼ ► features for the Apple pencil that like help you get around that, you know, that kind of thing.
00:56:09 ◼ ► Whilst we wait for the internet to catch up or something like that, that would be nice. I would
00:56:13 ◼ ► like that. Um, I really struggled with my last pick. I was toying with just saying new animoji,
00:56:23 ◼ ► We should, that's what our draft should have been is the next animoji. I think that I will continue
00:56:28 ◼ ► to add more, like every major version of iOS, like all the point releases, they bring them
00:56:33 ◼ ► an emoji in them, but I'm just, I just, it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel like a good competition
00:56:38 ◼ ► to say new animoji considering I already picked Memoji. So I'm going to go with new features in
00:56:45 ◼ ► mail because mail needs new features, you know, like every third party mail app that exists today
00:56:52 ◼ ► does, does some stuff, right? Like it has new features, features that are considered to be
00:56:57 ◼ ► normal for email apps. Now, whether you use them or like them, stuff like snoozing, right? That
00:57:02 ◼ ► kind of stuff like having some kind of place where you can say, Hey, this email is important. I want
00:57:06 ◼ ► to get back to it later. Um, and, and I think just little features like that will end up coming, uh,
00:57:12 ◼ ► to either iOS, the Mac, both hopefully, uh, but, but there will be some stuff that will be put in,
00:57:20 ◼ ► uh, to, to try and make mail a little bit more with the current times. Um, and because I think
00:57:27 ◼ ► mail needs it to be honest, especially on iOS mail needs some new features. So new features to mail.
00:57:37 ◼ ► All right. Sounds good. That's the 10. That's 10. We have a, we have a bonus round and then we've
00:57:45 ◼ ► also got our, uh, our things we didn't mention that we kind of wish we had. Mm-hmm. But before
00:57:51 ◼ ► we do, considering we've now done the 10, this feels like a perfect time for a break. So we have
00:57:56 ◼ ► our 10. We said we have that extra point. We have the tie breaker, but that's the important part. We
00:58:00 ◼ ► have our 10. Um, how do you feel about your picks? You know, I don't know what ends up happening is
00:58:08 ◼ ► that I look at Zach Knox's report card later after we score. And then, and then, and I go,
00:58:14 ◼ ► Oh no, like I've made a horrible mistake that that usually happens. Although sometimes not like last,
00:58:20 ◼ ► I think the March one. And then one of the ones last year, I remember going through and scoring
00:58:23 ◼ ► it and thinking, Oh, I have, I have a real advantage here over Myke, but then sometimes
00:58:29 ◼ ► I do it and I go, Oh no, I have not done well. So going into the TV event, like I scored myself
00:58:37 ◼ ► as winning like before, like before we began. Right. Like things, things can change very quickly.
00:58:51 ◼ ► they're like the idea of bundles, right? Like they don't need to talk about it because they're
00:58:57 ◼ ► not talking about pricing yet. Right. And if I don't think we necessarily considered that that
00:59:01 ◼ ► would be a thing, right? That they just would not mention prices. And because they didn't mention
00:59:05 ◼ ► prices, they didn't need to talk about bundles. So they just didn't talk about them. All right.
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01:02:02 ◼ ► picked as our special bonus round? Yeah, I decided that for our bonus round, which is worth a point
01:02:08 ◼ ► if you get it right, but we both are picking the same thing and it is what will Mac OS be called?
01:02:12 ◼ ► That's what it is. I'm happy to do this, but consider myself at a great disadvantage because
01:02:17 ◼ ► I do not know anything about national parks in California. Right, whereas I've been born and
01:02:23 ◼ ► it's not all national parks. It hasn't always been a national park. Or at least beautiful places in
01:02:27 ◼ ► California. I've lived my entire life in California. And so, yeah, but I made a list. I made a list of
01:02:34 ◼ ► a bunch of possible names. You see that list? Do you have that? I see the list. All right. And I
01:02:39 ◼ ► am not going to pick the one that I really kind of wish they call it, which is Mac OS 13. Just sync
01:02:46 ◼ ► it up. Stop with the place names. You stop with the cat names. Stop with the place names. Have
01:02:50 ◼ ► everything be 13 and then move forward with that. But assuming that they keep going with California
01:02:55 ◼ ► names because it's fun. I'm going to pick Joshua Tree, which is an area, a very scenic park inside
01:03:03 ◼ ► the borders of the Mojave Desert because it allows them to do something like they did before,
01:03:09 ◼ ► where they went sort of, you know, Sierra High Sierra Yosemite El Capitan. It allows them to
01:03:15 ◼ ► do Mojave and then something in the Mojave Desert, which is Joshua Tree. But I wrote a bunch of other
01:03:21 ◼ ► things down. You got you can pick Mac OS 13. You can pick Death Valley, which I want to pick.
01:03:27 ◼ ► While hilarious is probably not a product. I want to pick it. I think that if they do their little
01:03:34 ◼ ► skit where they pick the name, right? I think Death Valley will be mentioned as like a wink,
01:03:44 ◼ ► By the way, the bad news about if it's Mac OS Joshua Tree is that there'll be a YouTube album
01:03:49 ◼ ► downloaded on it automatically. So watch out for that. And they could perform except they don't
01:03:55 ◼ ► really have bands perform at WWDC. So maybe not. Spinal Tap. I will point out by the way, Spinal
01:04:00 ◼ ► Tap update. They played a concert for the first time in like a decade earlier this year. And so
01:04:15 ◼ ► So I can understand a little bit about these places. So my expectation will be that they
01:04:19 ◼ ► will do with this version of Mac OS what they've done in the past, where they will pick a name
01:04:29 ◼ ► So Mojave is going to be a one-off and then they're going to go to something different.
01:04:36 ◼ ► They went from the Sierras down to the Mojave. So Sierra, High Sierra, and then Mojave.
01:05:10 ◼ ► Yeah. The one that I really like is there's a little town in the desert on the eastern side
01:05:15 ◼ ► of the Sierras called Bridgeport. And I love that because it's the bridge you see to the new apps.
01:05:25 ◼ ► Yeah, you sold me on it. Honestly, I have no idea. I want it to be called Death Valley because I
01:05:45 ◼ ► that's a place of its own, right? But I had forgotten that obviously Mojave is the place,
01:06:31 ◼ ► I would just really like it if they just did that. Or choose something that's not California
01:06:35 ◼ ► They can keep all the version numbers in lockstep, right? Then everything, every time they do a
01:06:39 ◼ ► release, it's like, oh, it's 13, you know, 1301 over here and 1301 over there. And they released
01:06:47 ◼ ► Yeah. Let's move it all. I would like them to move it. All right. We'll just wait until
01:06:55 ◼ ► Okay. So we're going to do our, what we didn't pick rounds. So me and Jason, you know, we,
01:07:00 ◼ ► we will this down to stuff that we think, uh, could be likely. And then we give our 10 picks
01:07:05 ◼ ► from those, but that usually will end up leaving us. If we'd be, if we're playing it correctly
01:07:13 ◼ ► Jason's going to pick. So do you want to give me a few instances of things that you think
01:07:21 ◼ ► Yeah. The other items that I had on my list, uh, Siri shortcuts on the Mac, which is rumored
01:07:27 ◼ ► and, uh, kind of makes sense if you're bringing marzipan to the Mac. Um, the, but, but it's
01:07:33 ◼ ► Siri shortcuts. So it's basically like really what it is is kind of customizable actions
01:07:42 ◼ ► than anyone else is, but they are, I think Apple's more committed to Siri on everything
01:07:51 ◼ ► you know, I never use it, but it's there and Apple always talks about it. And so why wouldn't they
01:07:57 ◼ ► do something about this? And it has been rumored. So I'm going to put it on the list, um,
01:08:01 ◼ ► update to messages. This is my marzipan of, of, um, messages on the Mac that lets us do things
01:08:07 ◼ ► like I message effects and things. So we're not reduced to set with lasers. We actually
01:08:12 ◼ ► see the lasers on the Mac. That would be nice. So I was going to pick that again, not, not 100%
01:08:18 ◼ ► sure on that, but I have hope that that will happen. And, uh, back to Siri, Siri intents
01:08:22 ◼ ► for developers. This is like new ways for apps to, uh, to basically get controlled by Siri without
01:08:29 ◼ ► having to rely on Siri shortcuts. And we've been hoping that you could do that to control different
01:08:37 ◼ ► The Siri intense one is that I believe this will happen. I don't know if it's going to find its
01:08:44 ◼ ► way into the keynote, right? Like the idea of saying like, oh, now is the developer you can,
01:08:49 ◼ ► uh, it's a developer feature though. So this, this, I feel like this could sit very comfortably
01:08:54 ◼ ► in the state of the union without it needing to be like, you know, talking about like, oh,
01:08:58 ◼ ► if you're a media application, you can now use Siri to call up a library. Like, you know, I just,
01:09:04 ◼ ► I don't know. I don't, I have a gen general concern, um, that shortcuts won't make it into
01:09:12 ◼ ► the keynote. I don't know where this has come from, but I just have this concern that like,
01:09:18 ◼ ► they won't mention it this year. Like stuff will be happening to it, but it's not going to get
01:09:21 ◼ ► time. And so I, I'm starting to actually think that like just a lot of Siri stuff might not
01:09:28 ◼ ► really find its way into the keynote. I really want to be wrong on this one. I don't really know
01:09:33 ◼ ► where this, this fear is coming from, but it's, I think it's from just a general fear of people
01:09:38 ◼ ► that have used this app for long enough, right? That it's going to die at any moment. Like,
01:09:43 ◼ ► I think I'm just getting that fear come back again, right? Like there was always a fear that
01:09:47 ◼ ► workflow could, could go away. And then when it got bought by Apple, that it would definitely go
01:09:50 ◼ ► away and now shortcuts is here. So now I'm scared shortcuts is going to go away, even though they
01:09:54 ◼ ► have absolutely no reason to believe it. Um, so yeah, but the idea, just the Siri intense stuff,
01:10:01 ◼ ► I think it will happen. I just don't know if I see it in the keynote, but we'll see. Uh, swipe
01:10:07 ◼ ► keyboard is one of mine. So the ability to be able to swipe your finger across the keyboard and
01:10:12 ◼ ► auto correct does its magic and presents you with a word. Yeah. It's a really nice feature that has
01:10:17 ◼ ► existed in other third party keyboards for a long time. Um, it is on my iPhone cause I use Gboard.
01:10:22 ◼ ► That is the way that I pretty much always use typing. That's how I type. Uh, it is using the
01:10:28 ◼ ► best of auto correct, right? Like an auto correct should be good enough at this point. And it's
01:10:33 ◼ ► really easy to type this way with one hand when you have a big phone. Um, I've, I find it comfortable,
01:10:39 ◼ ► uh, and I like to, I, I really like to use this feature. So, um, I would like to see it into
01:10:44 ◼ ► Apple's keyboard. Uh, I don't, I can't imagine that it would make me move from Gboard. Like I just,
01:10:50 ◼ ► for me, Gboard works really well. It has a lot of features that Apple shouldn't have like the
01:10:54 ◼ ► ability to search for emoji. Um, and it's auto correct. I find to be more reliable than Apple's
01:10:59 ◼ ► auto correct. It doesn't suffer from those bugs that you see in Apple's auto correct system.
01:11:03 ◼ ► We're like, Oh, now everyone's getting this. Like for example, just a few weeks ago or a couple of
01:11:08 ◼ ► months ago, if you type like ha ha ha ha ha, like all, you know, like ha ha ha ha ha like a bunch
01:11:13 ◼ ► of times, like say you did it a bunch of times, split it into two separate ha ha ha ha, which is
01:11:17 ◼ ► super weird. Uh, people, I don't think send that to each other. It looked very strange. Um, so,
01:11:23 ◼ ► you know, like, but then everyone gets it. And it's just this, it's, I think it's with that
01:11:26 ◼ ► differential privacy stuff, right? Where like we spoke about this before there have been multiple
01:11:30 ◼ ► software updates that were like that have fixed auto correct bugs, which is just like the weirdest
01:11:35 ◼ ► thing. And I don't have those problems with Gboard. I also really liked that I can search
01:11:39 ◼ ► Google from my keyboard, which seems weird when you say it. But if you need to send somebody an
01:11:45 ◼ ► address to a restaurant and they're asking you in a text message, you never lead to leave messages to
01:11:50 ◼ ► do that. So that's why I don't know why it has turned into a marketing pitch for Gboard, but I
01:11:55 ◼ ► do really like it. Continued focus on performance improvements and stability. I think it's going to
01:12:00 ◼ ► get some time. Um, I think people were really happy with that on iOS 12. And I think that just
01:12:05 ◼ ► to continue and focus on like, we're going to do a bunch of stuff and it's going to make your
01:12:08 ◼ ► phone better in these ways and this way and this way and this way, I think will be a big winner
01:12:13 ◼ ► for people. Um, so I think that that's going to continue and also, uh, some loosening, some
01:12:20 ◼ ► changing of Mac app store rules. This could be, um, expand expansion of more entitlements,
01:12:26 ◼ ► which is kind of some of the stuff that we saw last year. Maybe they make some business model
01:12:29 ◼ ► changes to go hand in hand with the idea of bringing iOS apps to the Mac, right? But we're
01:12:34 ◼ ► going to make it a little bit more comfortable for you as a developer. If you want to come on board,
01:12:39 ◼ ► uh, then, then these are some things that you could, that you could look to expect. Um,
01:12:44 ◼ ► and really to just try and make it more like a better, uh, like proposition to developers who
01:12:50 ◼ ► have maybe so far stayed away from it. Yep. Sounds good. Is that where we are? I think so. I think
01:12:55 ◼ ► we'll let reality be our judge now. All right. Now, uh, believe it or not, there was some new
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01:14:54 ◼ ► and all of Relay FM. So Jason, can you tell me what happened with the MacBook Pro last week?
01:15:02 ◼ ► Well it got updated. Okay. That's basically it. The 15-inch got the 9th generation Intel processors
01:15:11 ◼ ► going all the way up to to eight cores, six or eight cores. So if you really want the most
01:15:18 ◼ ► possible multi-core performance on an Apple laptop, that 15-inch MacBook Pro will let you
01:15:25 ◼ ► get there with eight cores. And there were some minor speed bumps to the 13-inch TouchBar model.
01:15:33 ◼ ► These are just the TouchBar models. The MacBook escape model remains a product in Apple's lineup
01:15:39 ◼ ► that hasn't been updated in two years. And yeah, so that happened. It's just a little minor thing,
01:15:45 ◼ ► but it's nice for people who are looking for a more powerful MacBook Pro. But of course,
01:15:56 ◼ ► And so, yeah, I talked to Apple and they acknowledged that they made a materials change
01:16:02 ◼ ► to the keyboard and that they felt like it directly addressed to the problem of that they
01:16:07 ◼ ► were getting, which of course they always, they want to say, you know, the vast majority of Apple
01:16:13 ◼ ► customers have no problems with the keyboard. But we've made like the third, fourth, or fifth
01:16:19 ◼ ► revision to this keyboard, but who's counting? So, you know, again, the vast majority, and yet they
01:16:24 ◼ ► know there's a problem here and they know there's at the very least a perception problem. And who
01:16:29 ◼ ► knows how big the reality problem is for them. And so they have made another materials change.
01:16:34 ◼ ► It sounds like they've maybe changed the, the material, the silicone material that's supposed
01:16:39 ◼ ► to prevent kind of ingress of debris. And they seem to have... And they've changed the,
01:16:57 ◼ ► switch might've actually been the issue and not the ingress protection. But what Apple would say
01:17:03 ◼ ► is they believe that this dramatically improves the ability of the keyboard to resist the problem
01:17:11 ◼ ► of missing keys or doubled keys. And in addition to that, because they are fighting a perception
01:17:19 ◼ ► problem here, they extended their keyboard program, which was previously on the 2015 and 2016
01:17:26 ◼ ► and 2017 models with a butterfly keyboard, to cover all the 2018 and 2019 models. So basically,
01:17:35 ◼ ► if your Apple laptop has this butterfly keyboard in any of its versions, you get free service on
01:17:50 ◼ ► of insurance on that keyboard. Yeah, because that's like no Apple care needed, right? Right.
01:17:55 ◼ ► If you're worried about the keyboard for the first four years, yes, Apple's gonna cover you. And I've
01:17:59 ◼ ► seen people say, "Oh, well, it's a real endorsement of the quality of this keyboard that they're
01:18:05 ◼ ► covering on an extended repair program, their brand new keyboard. So that must mean that it's
01:18:10 ◼ ► also got the problem." And I mean, people can be as cynical as they wanna be. That's not why they
01:18:15 ◼ ► did it. They did it because they wanna reassure people that although they have made this change
01:18:19 ◼ ► that they think solves the problem, they don't want people to be like, "Oh, does it really solve
01:18:24 ◼ ► the problem?" They wanna come right out and say, "Look, we stand by this. We will fix it for four
01:18:28 ◼ ► years if you buy this keyboard, regardless of that." And I think that the clarity of saying,
01:18:33 ◼ ► it doesn't matter which version you've even got, you got four years of coverage from us. And,
01:18:39 ◼ ► by the way, in a story that we've been talking about for a little while now, reports about how
01:18:44 ◼ ► Apple has made a bunch of changes to get keyboard repairs to be expedited, like doing more of them
01:18:49 ◼ ► in the stores and having the turnaround be faster, because that's been a part of the complaint too,
01:18:54 ◼ ► is it's not just taking it into the store, it's taking it to the store and then losing your
01:18:57 ◼ ► computer for an extended period of time while they fix your keyboard. And so they've turned that-
01:19:11 ◼ ► - Yes. And if you're not near a service provider or an Apple store, it's hard. But even if you are,
01:19:16 ◼ ► if they're backed up and it's gonna take days or a week or whatever, you're without your
01:19:19 ◼ ► computer, that's no good. So all of that is in there. And then there was another little-
01:19:24 ◼ ► - I'm wondering if I should take mine in. - Are you having a problem with it? Otherwise-
01:19:27 ◼ ► - Well, I have Marco's. Do you remember the original MacBook Pro with the E key that broke?
01:19:33 ◼ ► I own that computer. That's the concern is I don't even know if I could, 'cause I bought it from him.
01:19:47 ◼ ► - Just ask Marco when he bought it. But the other, so yeah, this is all going on. And the other piece
01:19:53 ◼ ► is that if you've got a laptop from 2018, apparently, if you take that in to be repaired,
01:19:59 ◼ ► they will replace it with the 2019 keyboard that's on these new laptops. That apparently
01:20:05 ◼ ► is, Apple says is better. They can't swap out the older ones, but they can swap out those. So
01:20:11 ◼ ► like if I had a problem with one of the MacBook Airs that I've got in the house from 2018,
01:20:16 ◼ ► and I took that into my local Apple store, it would get replaced with the same keyboard
01:20:20 ◼ ► that's in these MacBook Pros, which is great. - And there's a part of me that doesn't want to
01:20:23 ◼ ► get my keyboard fixed. Like I feel like I own a piece of podcasting history, right? Like the
01:20:28 ◼ ► keyboard that started Marco's hate of the keyboard. - As Zach points out in the chat room,
01:20:41 ◼ ► and be like, why do you have the American MacBook Pro? But I bet you they'll cover it if it's got
01:20:45 ◼ ► keyboard problems. So you might want to do that before it becomes four years old and is not
01:20:50 ◼ ► covered anymore. - To be honest, I don't even know if it's worth the aggravation. I use it
01:20:54 ◼ ► three or four times a year. It's like, we will be recording next week's episode of Upgrade using that
01:21:03 ◼ ► very MacBook Pro. But outside of that, it doesn't get used a lot. We'll see. Before we wrap up today,
01:21:10 ◼ ► I wanted to make a little announcement. Relay FM turns five in August, and we're going to be doing
01:21:17 ◼ ► a special live show to celebrate, which is going to be in San Francisco. It's going to be on August
01:21:22 ◼ ► the 22nd. Relay FM's fifth birthday will be August 18th. But on August the 22nd, we're going to be
01:21:28 ◼ ► hosting a show. We're going to try and make it the biggest and bestest live show that Relay FM
01:21:34 ◼ ► has ever done. We're going to be bringing in as many of our wonderful hosts as we possibly can,
01:21:40 ◼ ► having them involved in the show. Jason's going to be there. - Yeah, I mean, I live here, so sure.
01:21:44 ◼ ► - Exactly. It's easy for you. - I can show up. - But yeah, we're really, really excited about this.
01:21:48 ◼ ► We found a wonderful venue that we're going to be hosting the show in. So it's going to be on August
01:21:53 ◼ ► 22nd in San Francisco. Tickets are available, but they're selling. We will sell out. So if you do
01:21:59 ◼ ► want to be at the show, I'd recommend it. And we're going to do everything we can to make it
01:22:04 ◼ ► as good or better than any live show we've ever done before. Because it's a big one. It's a really,
01:22:08 ◼ ► really big one for us. I will cry. So if you want to see me cry on stage, come buy a ticket.
01:22:16 ◼ ► But yeah, that's going to be pretty incredible to celebrate our fifth anniversary with a bunch
01:22:22 ◼ ► of amazing listeners and a lot of our hosts. I'm really, really excited about that. But in the
01:22:27 ◼ ► meantime, next week, WWDC. So Jason's going to be front and center. Maybe not front and center,
01:22:33 ◼ ► but he's going to be right there at the keynote. And we'll be recording and releasing our episode
01:22:37 ◼ ► as soon as we can after the keynote ends. As is tradition, we want to be right there for you
01:22:44 ◼ ► within a few hours. And we'll do everything we can to get our episode out. If you want to listen
01:22:50 ◼ ► in to us recording live, we'll be again attempting our very best hotel Wi-Fi permitting to live
01:22:56 ◼ ► stream the episode. So you should follow the upgrade Twitter account, which is @_upgradefm.
01:23:02 ◼ ► And I'll put a link to that in the show notes in case you're not following already, because we'll
01:23:06 ◼ ► be tweeting out from there when we're going to be going live. I'm really excited. I feel like it's
01:23:14 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be huge. Just the Mars Japan thing alone is going to be huge. And there
01:23:20 ◼ ► are going to be iOS announcements, probably iPad announcements. There's going to be a lot for us
01:23:24 ◼ ► to talk about. It's going to be a big show. Yeah. I feel like ramifications-wise, this is going to
01:23:28 ◼ ► be bigger than last year. Right. And it'll reverberate into the episode after that. And
01:23:36 ◼ ► If you're in San Jose, we hope to see you there. If you don't have tickets to the Relay FM live
01:23:40 ◼ ► show on Wednesday, there is like 10 left. So if you want to come and see the live show,
01:23:46 ◼ ► which I really recommend that you do, because it will be great, you should do that. I'll put a link
01:23:50 ◼ ► to that in the show notes as well. But I think that's it, Jason Snell. We're going to be
01:23:54 ◼ ► together next week. I can't believe it. Next week. It's hard to believe. I'm going to make that the
01:24:01 ◼ ► And a few crosswalks to... No, no. From the keynote to the hotel. That's sort of our thing.
01:24:08 ◼ ► As we go from the keynote to your hotel high above San Jose. And then we'll have to plan our
01:24:24 ◼ ► Sunny San Jose. It looks like it's going to be as well. I'm so excited about all of that.
01:24:34 ◼ ► keynote draft. We'll find out who the winner is. Will Myke keep his streak of WWDC going or will
01:24:41 ◼ ► he lose it as soon as he learned that it existed? You'll find out next time. Thank you so much to
01:24:46 ◼ ► our sponsors, the wonderful people at ButcherBox, TextExpander, Luna Display and Bombast. Jason,
01:24:56 ◼ ► Well, that's great. You can go to sixcolors.com. You can follow Bleed Six Colors, which is the
01:25:07 ◼ ► And I'll probably post some thoughts there from the keynote. Wonderful. All right. If you want
01:25:12 ◼ ► to find Jason and Alainis @jsnwll, J-S-N-E-L-L-L. I am @imike. You can find links and information
01:25:21 ◼ ► about this episode over relay.fm/upgrades/247. That's where you also find both a PDF and
01:25:28 ◼ ► interactive scorecard for the draft. So you can score along with us and make sure that you tweet
01:25:33 ◼ ► us the way that you scored it. I always love to see those rolling in as the keynote goes through.
01:25:38 ◼ ► And we'll be back next time for the biggest episode of the year recorded live in San Jose,