00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 217. Today's show is brought to you by Lunar Display,
00:00:16 ◼ ► PDF Pen from Smile and HelloFresh. Today there has been an Apple event, so we've got all of the news
00:00:21 ◼ ► and coverage and analysis of that. My name is Myke Hurley, and of course I am joined by man on the
00:00:28 ◼ ► ground, Mr. Jason Snell. Hello, Jason Snell. I'm actually up in the air, I'm in a skyscraper in
00:00:32 ◼ ► Manhattan, Myke. Look at you, fancy. Yeah. We've got some fancy stuff going on. Now let me talk
00:00:36 ◼ ► about the weather when you're above, no, let's not do that instead. No, Jason Snell, nobody cares
00:00:40 ◼ ► about that. I have a question for you for our #SnellTalk this week. Oh, yes, yes. Hello,
00:00:43 ◼ ► Upgrade Ian Myke, oh, excellent. Upgrade Ian Myke wants to know, how does an East Coast Time event
00:00:50 ◼ ► make Jason feel? Like, do you feel tired? Do you feel excited? Are you more productive,
00:00:57 ◼ ► less productive? What is the feeling of an East Coast event because Apple's event was in New York
00:01:02 ◼ ► today? First off, if I was in California not attending this event, it would make me feel
00:01:06 ◼ ► sleepy because it would have happened at seven in the morning. But I am in New York City, and so
00:01:12 ◼ ► I feel fine, I guess. I mean, it's going to be a long day today because I'm flying home tonight.
00:01:17 ◼ ► That's going to be a very long day, and I got up really early yesterday, so I probably don't have
00:01:21 ◼ ► as much sleep. But what I was saying to some of my fellow attendees who came from the New York area
00:01:29 ◼ ► is that they're experiencing what I experience when there's an Apple event in the Bay Area,
00:01:35 ◼ ► which is you sleep in your own bed, but you have to get out of bed at a weird hour and your family's
00:01:40 ◼ ► still asleep, and you got to drive or take the train or whatever. And I just rolled out of bed
00:01:45 ◼ ► this morning and walked two blocks to the Apple event. You're in a hotel, like it doesn't make a
00:01:50 ◼ ► difference, right? Yeah. So on that level, I mean, yeah, there's all the extra travel and all that,
00:01:54 ◼ ► but actually on the day of the event, it's super convenient. And this is why when they do WWDC down
00:02:00 ◼ ► in San Jose, I don't even... I try to stay in a hotel for a couple of nights because it's
00:02:05 ◼ ► further down there and it's a multiple day thing, so it sort of makes sense. So that's the advantage
00:02:11 ◼ ► of it. The disadvantage is, yeah, I got up at four in the morning and I won't get home until
00:02:16 ◼ ► yesterday and I won't get home till after midnight today. And it's a couple of really long days,
00:02:20 ◼ ► it'd be very tiring. But in terms of this morning, I was kind of ready to go because I got a proper
00:02:29 ◼ ► night's sleep and then just a short walk to the event location, which is really interesting
00:02:33 ◼ ► event location too, which we should talk about at some point because this is, again, Apple is
00:02:39 ◼ ► picking a venue. Anywhere in the world, Apple can pick a venue and stage an event there. And like
00:02:45 ◼ ► the Chicago event earlier this year, they picked an interesting place. So we will talk about that.
00:02:50 ◼ ► But if you want to send in a question for any episode to get us started, you can always tweet
00:02:55 ◼ ► with the hashtag SnailTalk and that goes into a wonderful document that we're able to collect
00:03:04 ◼ ► for a question to open this week's show. Jason, we must start these events as we always do,
00:03:10 ◼ ► these event episodes by talking about the draft. So on our last episode, which was in Chicago,
00:03:16 ◼ ► which is a wonderful episode, I'm really pleased that we got to do that. It was wonderful to have
00:03:20 ◼ ► so many Upgradients come out and see the show. That was a really, really great time. Thank you
00:03:24 ◼ ► to everyone who came. Thank you to Steven and Alex again for joining us on the episode. We had a
00:03:28 ◼ ► really, really great time. But we did do a draft. And the draft was foretold that Jason Snail would
00:03:34 ◼ ► obliterate Myke Hurley. This is what everyone believes. This is what you believed. It's never
00:03:39 ◼ ► true because everybody was convinced that you destroyed me in the previous draft. And that did,
00:03:44 ◼ ► that really didn't happen. Exactly. What we have learned is everybody's super confident when they're
00:03:47 ◼ ► making their picks. It's what happens on the day. Oh yeah. What did happen on the day, Jason Snail?
00:03:52 ◼ ► Who took the win today? So my scoring, it's either six to five or five to four based on a very
00:03:58 ◼ ► particular question that we should probably solve. But either way, whether it was six to five or five
00:04:03 ◼ ► to four, it's you with one more point than me. Yes! Myke Hurley is the winner. You didn't think
00:04:10 ◼ ► I could do it Upgradients, but I did it. I won. I won, Jason. I cannot tell you how excited I was
00:04:15 ◼ ► about this because we've now tied. We're tied. We're tied to two each. On the events for the year,
00:04:20 ◼ ► which just makes me feel good because I'm happy the iPad really helped me out, right? Like that
00:04:25 ◼ ► was, I wasn't really much because the way the event was stacked and I had my fingers crossed
00:04:30 ◼ ► and it came through. So let's run through these real quick, right, shall we? Yeah, okay, definitely.
00:04:34 ◼ ► So we'll go on your side first. New iPads to have face ID? Check. Check. Photoshop for iPad? Check.
00:04:41 ◼ ► Yep. So this is one of the ones of contention. New smart connector on the iPad Pro? There is one,
00:04:47 ◼ ► but it wasn't clear. I don't think it was very clear at all during the presentation. They had
00:04:52 ◼ ► images of the thing and where it was and so there was an implication, but they didn't say we have a
00:04:57 ◼ ► new smart connector just as they didn't say they have no headphone jack. Exactly. Which is one that
00:05:04 ◼ ► you picked. So that's the point of contention, which is, and I think it's something for us to
00:05:08 ◼ ► revisit because you could make a strong argument that if a product was introduced and shown off
00:05:14 ◼ ► and one of the features it had was this, that it's, I don't know if it's very fun to have a
00:05:19 ◼ ► draft where if they don't mention it out loud, it doesn't count. Well, we've picked that rule
00:05:24 ◼ ► for very specific reasons because we've had many problems in the past. I actually believe that the
00:05:28 ◼ ► rule should stand as it is because it allows for way less ambiguity when making the picks.
00:05:34 ◼ ► Like if they don't show it or it's not on a slide clearly, I don't think the point should count. So
00:05:38 ◼ ► I don't know. I think if the argument would be, if it's in a product, it's a feature of a product
00:05:43 ◼ ► that is mentioned and that is introduced on stage, but they don't mention that product. You could
00:05:49 ◼ ► maybe make the argument that there's an extension that happens there, but well, this is why we
00:05:52 ◼ ► discuss it though, right? Like I could go either way on these. The danger of going your way is
00:05:58 ◼ ► you've got one of those like, okay, now we need to look at the video that they show. Like you can see,
00:06:03 ◼ ► do we see the absence of a headphone jack? Well, we do, but can you prove an absence? Did we see
00:06:08 ◼ ► all possible places the headphone jack could be? And likewise with the smart connector, like,
00:06:13 ◼ ► do we ever see the smart connector? No, but we see the thing attached on the back where the smart
00:06:18 ◼ ► connector would be. So again, I think you could parse it either way. Fortunately, we have rarely
00:06:24 ◼ ► needed to, I feel like we are really good about resolving our own issues. And in this case,
00:06:29 ◼ ► the answer is you can count them or not. It doesn't, fortunately, it doesn't change the
00:06:32 ◼ ► outcome at all because each of us had one of these. So, you know, if we want to go by the
00:06:37 ◼ ► letter of the law, I would say that makes the score five to four. Yep. So I would say we keep
00:06:45 ◼ ► the rules as they are and we just continue to debate as we have. I mean, because I think that
00:06:49 ◼ ► the rules, it's easier this way than just to say like, we'll just see. So new sub $1,000 laptop
00:06:56 ◼ ► introduced. There was a laptop, it wasn't priced there. I'm going to have more to say about this.
00:07:00 ◼ ► I am very surprised that Apple has basically, I mean, apparently the old MacBook Air is still
00:07:06 ◼ ► for sale, which I think is interesting because the alternative here was for Apple to say,
00:07:10 ◼ ► hey, guess what, everybody? You like that MacBook Air so much, we made a new one that's more
00:07:14 ◼ ► expensive and the old one's gone, but the old one's still there apparently for a while at least.
00:07:19 ◼ ► New AirPods, no new AirPods. Okay. So let's, new AirPods and new iMacs I both picked. And this is
00:07:26 ◼ ► the thing that even as I was picking them on stage, even before I picked them on stage,
00:07:30 ◼ ► I thought to myself, this is risky. And this is the calculation that I made, which is I wanted
00:07:36 ◼ ► to please the audience and not be boring by continuing to pick iPad features and Mac mini
00:07:41 ◼ ► features. And even though we didn't have any good intel about these things being in this event,
00:07:49 ◼ ► the audience. And I knew I was taking a risk. I knew it. And it's absolutely what happened.
00:07:58 ◼ ► Right? Yeah. You want to be entertaining and not, and then what happens, Myke, is that we're going
00:08:02 ◼ ► to go back and forth on this because if you win, you're like, okay, I'm a winner. I can be
00:08:06 ◼ ► entertaining next time. And you lose and you're like, I am going to be really boring and win this.
00:08:11 ◼ ► And that's how you go back. That's why we tied the art. It was used in a video. It was the opening
00:08:15 ◼ ► video. Yeah. And 4k external display support. How about 5k? I know. How about 25k is all the k's.
00:08:22 ◼ ► All the k's. So that puts you at four points as we can agree on. I've got new Apple pencil.
00:08:28 ◼ ► There is no headphone jack on the iPad. Again, we will discuss this in detail in a little bit, but
00:08:37 ◼ ► There is a new Mac mini. The new iPads have USB-C only. The new laptop does not have a USB-A port.
00:08:44 ◼ ► Face ID works both horizontally and vertically. In all orientations. All orientations, which I
00:08:54 ◼ ► which I was surprised about. It got mentioned, but in a very strange context, which is just that
00:08:58 ◼ ► its screen is like the iPad pro screen in that it's a liquid retina display. And that wasn't at
00:09:03 ◼ ► all what I envisioned. That is not promotion. It was promotion, but that's a different thing.
00:09:08 ◼ ► And the last one is demo of an app, another app, a big app debut from a major company, not a game.
00:09:15 ◼ ► So there were two things here which were, which basically they amount to like half a point each
00:09:21 ◼ ► kind of in the way that I'm thinking. So AutoCAD was shown, which is a brand new app from Autodesk,
00:09:27 ◼ ► but it wasn't demoed by an individual. And then Adobe had a new app that they showed off, which
00:09:33 ◼ ► was turning Photoshop files into AR, but I don't know how big that is. So I don't know about that
00:09:38 ◼ ► one. So I think I could go either way on it. Um, and luckily I don't have to debate it because I
00:09:43 ◼ ► still won with or without it. So yeah. Yeah. And I, I think that's a very clear no-go because
00:09:49 ◼ ► there were only two demos. One was a game and one was Photoshop, which is the another big app debut.
00:09:55 ◼ ► So I feel like, yes, unless you, the, Oh, and we also have this AR project thing that we added on
00:10:00 ◼ ► that we'll take our Photoshop file and put it in AR. I, you know, again, it doesn't matter,
00:10:04 ◼ ► but I don't think you, I don't think you get that point. So we'll, we'll score it at five, four,
00:10:09 ◼ ► five, four just came in there. So we tie, we tie for the year. Yep. It's my favorite way to win.
00:10:16 ◼ ► I consider this a win for me because I don't think anyone expected this. So it's a personal victory
00:10:22 ◼ ► because I've lost every other year. So I will take it. So the Apple event is all wrapped up.
00:10:27 ◼ ► What was the, uh, the environment like today? You were in the Brooklyn Academy of Music. Is
00:10:32 ◼ ► that correct? Uh, yes, that's right. So it's in like a big opera house, uh, auditorium theater,
00:10:38 ◼ ► like environment. What did you think of it all? How does it differ to some of the other places
00:10:43 ◼ ► that you go to? Well, it's, it's a theater, it's a small theater space. Um, the, well, I mean,
00:10:48 ◼ ► it's not small, but it's, it's not, you know, vast, like some of the places that Apple has
00:10:52 ◼ ► used in the past and the seats are tight, tight together and the rows are tight together. So it
00:10:57 ◼ ► was super cramped, but, um, beautiful setting. Um, they closed off multiple streets in Brooklyn.
00:11:03 ◼ ► This is about a block away from the Brooklyn Apple store, which is new, which is beautiful.
00:11:07 ◼ ► It's like a wedge shaped building. Um, it looks really great. And I think Apple is comfortable in
00:11:15 ◼ ► that neighborhood because they know it from the, from the retail store there. And so there's the
00:11:20 ◼ ► theater. They closed off two other streets running past the theater and they closed off, uh, the
00:11:26 ◼ ► street between the theater and some restaurants that are over on the other side of the street
00:11:30 ◼ ► there. And actually when we got there, they had us go into basically like a, a Mexican restaurant
00:11:36 ◼ ► that they had turned into a place where you could, you know, stay warm and get coffee and a breakfast
00:11:41 ◼ ► burrito and whatever before the event. Was it like a business? Like someone's business? Yeah. And
00:11:46 ◼ ► they just took it over for the morning. That's so funny. And, and, you know, obviously paid them off
00:11:51 ◼ ► and all that, but they closed all these streets, NYPD everywhere. They closed all the streets.
00:12:02 ◼ ► that is a little unusual because we're out on the streets of a big city and the level of control
00:12:07 ◼ ► they wanted to have was a little bit greater. Um, right across the way was the, um, was the venue.
00:12:13 ◼ ► And then the hands-on area was actually built inside a different location that was down the
00:12:18 ◼ ► block. And it looked like it, I think somebody said that's where the Brooklyn flea market is.
00:12:24 ◼ ► And they took that building over and it has a big interior space and they built like a,
00:12:29 ◼ ► a whole like platform level that was clearly built by Apple for the hands-on area. And that's where
00:12:36 ◼ ► the hands-on area was. So it was really interesting in that Apple basically took over a block and
00:12:40 ◼ ► several streets in the middle of Brooklyn. So why do you think even like, cause this seems like a
00:12:47 ◼ ► really big to do, right? Like getting all of this stuff arranged and, and hiring out all these
00:12:53 ◼ ► different places and making all these adaptations. Why do you think Apple held this event in New York?
00:12:58 ◼ ► I think Apple is currently in a place where they like mixing it up and, and taking their events
00:13:05 ◼ ► to different places. And, um, you know, one of the downsides of not doing Mac world expo is that,
00:13:14 ◼ ► you know, you can just end up being Apple events on campus and occasionally down the road a little
00:13:19 ◼ ► bit. And I think maybe they made a decision that while they were going to be at home at the Steve
00:13:24 ◼ ► jobs theater, they were going to be open to doing other events in other places rather than having
00:13:29 ◼ ► every event event be at the Steve jobs theater. So we have now this year, as we know from our draft
00:13:34 ◼ ► scoring, I've had four Apple events, one at the Steve jobs theater, one at the McHenry convention
00:13:40 ◼ ► center for WWDC and then one in Chicago and one in New York. And I'm wondering if this is just
00:13:44 ◼ ► the pattern now is that Apple is going to do some events in other places just because they can. And
00:13:50 ◼ ► because it's interesting, um, to be clear, they had, they get a lot of coverage in their home,
00:13:58 ◼ ► New York is a great place to go in Chicago is a great place to go. So, you know, but who knows,
00:14:02 ◼ ► they could do an event somewhere else. They could do an event in LA. They could do an event. I mean,
00:14:05 ◼ ► there's any number of places they could, they could go. Um, and they will get some people to
00:14:09 ◼ ► travel and other people won't. And, uh, but I think they like the variety of it. And honestly,
00:14:14 ◼ ► they're so big that they can do this, right? They're so big that they can take over a block
00:14:19 ◼ ► in the middle of Brooklyn and they have one of these events that are organized these things,
00:14:24 ◼ ► right? Like they, I'm sure they have an entire team. They do, you know, but presumably those
00:14:29 ◼ ► people are all in California. So they, they, there's a lot more travel. I mean, there's a
00:14:33 ◼ ► lot more that's going to go into something like this. Although I will say they did. Um, you know,
00:14:37 ◼ ► they staff a lot of it without the Apple retail employees. So, um, which is actually a lot of the
00:14:43 ◼ ► wild kind of cheering that you heard during the event. If you watched it, I think was from retail.
00:14:52 ◼ ► a lot of the applause and wooing is because when Angela Ahrens went on stage, they got really loud.
00:14:59 ◼ ► Wild. That's the, that's the boss on stage, you know, cause they were literally, it was just like,
00:15:03 ◼ ► Oh, we added this new, um, this new program in the Apple store and people just went nuts. I'm like,
00:15:10 ◼ ► really? In fact, there was a moment when, uh, Lana Del Rey finished her first song and people
00:15:14 ◼ ► applauded. And I thought, well, if she wanted more applause, she should have mentioned, uh,
00:15:18 ◼ ► Apple retail, right? Like, wait a second. World renowned recording artist is on stage. And I think
00:15:24 ◼ ► the, the new today at Apple thing got a louder ovation because the retail people were so excited.
00:15:36 ◼ ► like any other overriding overarching feelings about what happened? It felt like there was
00:15:41 ◼ ► more heavy lifting from Tim Cook this time than I've, uh, that I've seen in the past than I expected.
00:15:45 ◼ ► He, um, introduced the Mac and he talked a lot about the Mac. Um, and we can get to that, but we,
00:15:53 ◼ ► we all, you know, I was sitting there between. Puerto Rico and, uh, and Casey lists. And we had
00:16:06 ◼ ► wondering, like, we joke about how Tim loves his iPad and he talks about his iPad and there's this
00:16:10 ◼ ► question of like, does Tim even know about the Mac? He says, he's got an iMac on his desk, but
00:16:14 ◼ ► he, you know, he did a whole, a whole thing about the Mac and he talked about Mojave. He basically
00:16:20 ◼ ► did a little Mojave demo and it's exactly the sort of thing that you could imagine. He was like, Hey,
00:16:23 ◼ ► let's get Phil Schiller out here to talk about the Mac. So I don't have to. And that didn't happen.
00:16:27 ◼ ► He did that. He did that work. So I thought that was interesting. We can talk more about the Mac in
00:16:31 ◼ ► a minute. And then the other thing I just wanted to point out is the way that this was handled
00:16:35 ◼ ► was definitely, you know, people are handing off to other people. Um, that, you know, you kind of
00:16:40 ◼ ► burrow down on a product and then you'd have a demo and then, and then you come back out. And so
00:16:43 ◼ ► if you think of it like little, you know, levels of the presentation with Tim at the top. And I
00:16:48 ◼ ► noticed that at one point we went five levels down where like Tim handed it to John for the
00:16:53 ◼ ► iPad demo. And John brought out Sean who's in developer relations and she brought out Jamie
00:16:58 ◼ ► who's from Adobe and she brought it Chantal who is the demo person for Photoshop. And while Chantal
00:17:03 ◼ ► was doing the Photoshop demo, I was thinking to myself, we're five layers into this burrito now.
00:17:08 ◼ ► Like this is where we're way, we're way, we are in the, we're, we have, Tim is the frosting,
00:17:14 ◼ ► but we are down at the, at the, I don't know what is the bottom layer, the pie crust or that
00:17:20 ◼ ► wouldn't be cake then. But anyway, it's a really weird cake. Well, it goes at the bottom of the
00:17:24 ◼ ► cake is more frosting. That's the problem. It's more frosting. It's a cake sandwich. Um, so I
00:17:28 ◼ ► just had that moment because what happened was then Chantal was like, I'll give it back to Jamie
00:17:33 ◼ ► and Jamie's like, well, okay, let me recap everything we just did. I'll give it back to
00:17:36 ◼ ► Sean. And she's like, well, isn't it great that there are apps on the iPad? Let's give it back
00:17:39 ◼ ► to John. And he's like, the iPad, it's awesome. Here's what the price is Tim. And then we like
00:17:43 ◼ ► that they have to do that, right. That they go in and go back out again. So, well, there's no other
00:17:47 ◼ ► way. I can't pass to Tim because then Tim's one level down. How does Tim pass back to Tim? We
00:17:52 ◼ ► can't do that. What, what, what happened to John? If Sean Pruden throws it to Tim, you're like,
00:17:57 ◼ ► Oh my God, what happened to John? Is he still in some other dimension presenting iPad pro until we
00:18:02 ◼ ► pull him out of there? So they got to, you got to close all your parentheses or the entire thing
00:18:07 ◼ ► falls apart. It's a house of cards. There were a lot of new presenters at the event. Um, and I
00:18:12 ◼ ► think everybody did really well. Um, I thought that they had a selection of great people. Uh,
00:18:18 ◼ ► there was the, the lady who showed off the Mac, I think her name was Laura, the Mac book air.
00:18:23 ◼ ► Yeah. She was my favorite. She was awesome. She was really, really good. She told a great story.
00:18:28 ◼ ► I thought that, but in general, I think they introduced a bunch of new people on stage today,
00:18:32 ◼ ► which was really great. I like to see fresh faces. Yeah. She was, um, she was a little nervous in the
00:18:37 ◼ ► like Craig Federighi original appearance kind of nerves where you could tell, you could tell it was
00:18:42 ◼ ► her first huge thing and she trained for it and she was not quite as assured, but you know, that's
00:18:48 ◼ ► what, what happens when you go on stage. I think any of us, if we were on stage at an Apple event
00:18:53 ◼ ► would, would get a little nervous and you know, you might type it's road trip and anything could
00:18:59 ◼ ► happen. Well, I mean, look at me last week, I get super nervous doing our live shows. I can't even
00:19:04 ◼ ► imagine what that would be like. Yeah. So before we get into talking about the Macs and the new iPad
00:19:10 ◼ ► pros, just note that iOS 12.1 has shipped today. Um, it is, uh, includes group FaceTime that is
00:19:17 ◼ ► now out and available to everyone. This was delayed from iOS 12, uh, dual SIM support on the 10R and
00:19:23 ◼ ► the 10S and 17U emoji. I have not yet downloaded iOS 12. It just shipped like, cause we were getting
00:19:31 ◼ ► ready to start, but I cannot wait for those new emoji, Jason. Very excited. Yeah, it's, it's good.
00:19:38 ◼ ► I I've been, I had it on one device and so I've been getting like real new emoji on that device
00:19:44 ◼ ► and not on any other device. So I'm ready for the fragmentation to end. Yeah, I'm ready for that.
00:19:48 ◼ ► And you know, you're in, you're in New York, so you can send loads of bagels to everybody
00:19:52 ◼ ► for like the last day or whatever. That'd be nice. Everyone will enjoy that. I'm sure. Sure.
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00:22:01 ◼ ► - Tim thinks the Mac is great. He's got good numbers to share about people who are new to the
00:22:06 ◼ ► Mac, especially in China. He wants to tell us that there are 100 million active Macs in the install
00:22:12 ◼ ► base, which is a milestone, he said. And most importantly, Tim is excited about the Mac and he
00:22:25 ◼ ► - That's what he wants. He wants customer set. He wants it now. And yeah, so it's nice to see Apple
00:22:31 ◼ ► spend some time. It's been a little while since we saw Apple spend some time on Macs. They didn't do
00:22:35 ◼ ► it at the last event at all. So it was nice to get that and to get Tim talking about it because again,
00:22:41 ◼ ► there is this perception that Tim is not really focused on the Mac. And so getting him to say
00:22:46 ◼ ► say things about the Mac on stage, I think was, they were trying to send a good message there.
00:22:50 ◼ ► - So I want to run through some quick stats of the new MacBook Air, and then we can talk about
00:22:57 ◼ ► a little bit of what they mean. So the new MacBook Air, which is just, it feels weird to say. I mean,
00:23:03 ◼ ► I will say it feels weird to say, like, I don't think I was expecting it to be called the MacBook
00:23:09 ◼ ► Air, but here we are anyway. It has a retina display, which is 13.3 inches. It has a brand
00:23:13 ◼ ► new industrial design. So it's got rid of the silver border and it's just a nice border like
00:23:18 ◼ ► the MacBook. It has two Thunderbolt 3 ports, a T2 chip, a third generation butterfly keyboard,
00:23:24 ◼ ► which is four times more stable. - Right, because that's again, they're trying to find ways to
00:23:29 ◼ ► extol the virtues of it. And I don't remember people saying, you know what the problem is with
00:23:39 ◼ ► - Yeah, my typing is inaccurate and the keys are unstable and it makes, like, again, is this a
00:23:47 ◼ ► solution in search of a problem? I don't really know why they keep talking about this. They've
00:23:52 ◼ ► got to find a reason why it's good. I noticed that, that once again, they're talking about key
00:23:57 ◼ ► stability, which it's true. It's just such a strange thing and I'm not sure anybody really
00:24:04 ◼ ► cares about it. - Does third gen mean different to the ones that were just in the MacBook
00:24:09 ◼ ► Pro or is that the MacBook Pro ones? - It's the MacBook Pro ones, the third gen butterfly. The
00:24:13 ◼ ► first one was the original MacBook. The second gen was the MacBook Pro when it went to that keyboard
00:24:19 ◼ ► and then this is the third gen butterfly keyboard. - So new, more powerful processors, higher RAM and
00:24:24 ◼ ► SSD options. The new MacBook Air is 17% smaller in volume, 10% thinner and a quarter of a pound
00:24:31 ◼ ► lighter. It is made from 100% recycled aluminum. This is really exciting. People are really excited
00:24:37 ◼ ► about this but there is something that is kind of hilarious to me about this because they go through
00:24:43 ◼ ► the presentation talking about this and then the Mac Mini is made from this. And when they get the
00:24:48 ◼ ► iPad, they don't say the iPad is made from the 100% recycled aluminum. They say that the kind of
00:24:56 ◼ ► the offcuts, I guess, or like the parts of the manufacturing process that remove the aluminum to
00:25:03 ◼ ► create the iPad Pros is used in the new MacBooks. So basically what's happening here is they are
00:25:10 ◼ ► using the shavings of iPhones and iPads to make Macs now which is such a great metaphor, I think.
00:25:16 ◼ ► - I know, right? Yeah, it is. And they said it's like as a byproduct of our construction or
00:25:21 ◼ ► you know, our metal process. And then I was like, wait, what? And then they keep going.
00:25:26 ◼ ► - Where is this coming from? - Are you? Because it's not, what they aren't saying is that their
00:25:40 ◼ ► of the process that they use for stainless or for aluminum in other products that use aluminum.
00:25:49 ◼ ► funny to me. Like I wonder if like, you know, at some point by accident you get part of like
00:25:53 ◼ ► an iPhone XR, like just think, oh look, this has got a blob of orange in it. But it's just, it is
00:25:59 ◼ ► a great process. Like it does seem like something that is really important, but there is just that
00:26:04 ◼ ► beauty of that metaphor. I think the last big thing was a big surprise. I would never have
00:26:10 ◼ ► expected Touch ID in the MacBook Air. And it starts at $1,199. Jason, is this the MacBook
00:26:24 ◼ ► I love the MacBook Air. We've been talking a lot about how it was great and it needs to be replaced
00:26:31 ◼ ► - Apple did the other thing, which is having held it, like it's a MacBook Air. It feels like
00:26:37 ◼ ► a MacBook Air. It's shaped like a MacBook Air. It is undeniably a MacBook Air. It is smaller
00:26:42 ◼ ► because they've gotten rid of the huge bezel and all of that. And they've made it feel like a
00:26:46 ◼ ► modern Apple laptop. It is more functional than the MacBook. It is very similarly functional to the
00:26:54 ◼ ► MacBook Escape, right? But it's a MacBook Air with a retina display and with two USB-C ports
00:27:03 ◼ ► and a headphone jack. And it is, so it's, the old MacBook Air has what, two USB-A and mini
00:27:12 ◼ ► display port and HDMI maybe. I don't know if that has that or not. That's my wife's MacBook Air.
00:27:20 ◼ ► I have the 11, which has less stuff on it. - I think the regular MacBook Air, I don't think
00:27:24 ◼ ► has an HDMI on it. - No, okay. So anyway, it's maybe a little bit less functional and it's got
00:27:30 ◼ ► power. I guess that's the other keyboard is it's got a power MagSafe where this only has the two
00:27:35 ◼ ► ports and one of them needs to power it. But that all said, it is, I'm excited about it because I do
00:27:43 ◼ ► love the MacBook Air. I am surprised that Apple decided to revive it in this way. I do not believe
00:27:51 ◼ ► for a minute that when they announced the MacBook a few years ago that they intended to take this
00:27:57 ◼ ► path. I think this was literally Apple looking at people continuing to buy the MacBook Air
00:28:03 ◼ ► and realizing that they needed to just make a MacBook Air update that they just, they need to
00:28:08 ◼ ► go back on. I don't believe this was the plan all along at all. And I think that they would have
00:28:14 ◼ ► come up with something sooner if it was. I think that they had to change direction just as they
00:28:17 ◼ ► changed direction with the Mac Pro where they were just gonna do the iMac Pro and leave it there.
00:28:22 ◼ ► So I think this is a change on their part, but I think it's good. It looks really good.
00:28:26 ◼ ► The disappointment, and I lost a point in the draft for it, is that they couldn't get it. They
00:28:30 ◼ ► still couldn't get it under a thousand dollars, which again, it's not Apple's goal to be cheap.
00:28:36 ◼ ► Like I was reminded at several times during this presentation that Apple is not only not being
00:28:42 ◼ ► cheap, Apple is cranking up the price of everything a bit. And people can make arguments like, well,
00:28:49 ◼ ► it's about inflation and all that, and that might well be true, but Apple is cranking up the price.
00:28:54 ◼ ► They wanna increase the average selling price. And this is an example where even now at this
00:29:00 ◼ ► $1,199, which is the lowest price point Apple has ever had for a retina laptop, it's still $200 more
00:29:06 ◼ ► than the previous generation MacBook Air. And that is if you're somebody who is looking for
00:29:14 ◼ ► a laptop and you see anything above a thousand and you hesitate, that's not gonna stop. Like
00:29:21 ◼ ► the people who are buying the MacBook Air because they like the Air could get this one now, but the
00:29:26 ◼ ► people who are buying MacBook Air because it was $999, then they're gonna be asked to spend a couple
00:29:32 ◼ ► hundred more dollars. So I don't love that about it. I was really, I kind of had bought into the
00:29:36 ◼ ► concept that Apple was going to make it cheaper and they did make it cheaper. It's cheaper than
00:29:43 ◼ ► the MacBook and the MacBook escape. And it's very similar to the MacBook escape by the way. I wonder
00:29:47 ◼ ► if the MacBook escape is going to fade away because I don't know why it needs to exist when this
00:29:53 ◼ ► computer exists that's got most of what it has, if not all of what it has, plus more because it's got
00:30:03 ◼ ► a touch ID sensor. So yeah. Yeah it is weird. It is a weird one that they kept that. I'm not 100%
00:30:11 ◼ ► sure why they have it, but you know I do want to go back to you saying that like, "Oh they had to
00:30:16 ◼ ► make this because lots of people are still buying the MacBook Air right?" Well I think my question
00:30:24 ◼ ► on this is were they buying the MacBook Air because it was $999 or were they buying the
00:30:30 ◼ ► MacBook Air because they love the MacBook Air? I would assume it's the price and we don't know.
00:30:36 ◼ ► Change that. I mean it's an assumption. If that was the reason, I think it's a combination of
00:30:40 ◼ ► factors. I think that some of it is that. Some of it is that people like the MacBook Air. It is a
00:30:43 ◼ ► pretty great machine even though it was lacking the retina display and modern processors. You
00:30:48 ◼ ► could make the argument it was the last Apple laptop using the old keyboard. Maybe some people
00:30:53 ◼ ► bought it because they didn't like the other keyboards. Well that's gone by the wayside. So
00:30:57 ◼ ► we'll see. Obviously Apple has made some judgments about that people like the MacBook Air. And from
00:31:03 ◼ ► the perspective, leaving the price aside and the keyboard aside, it is very much what the MacBook
00:31:09 ◼ ► Escape wasn't. And the MacBook Escape more and more feels like this super strange outlier where
00:31:14 ◼ ► they sort of used the same stuff they used in the Air but more modern. But they called it a pro
00:31:22 ◼ ► with other pros and priced it accordingly. And then they cut the price. But now it feels like
00:31:31 ◼ ► they're like, "Okay, that didn't happen. So we're just going to make one that's pretty much the
00:31:36 ◼ ► shape you expect," which is the MacBook Air. And it is, I mean, having held one, I mean,
00:31:40 ◼ ► it's great it comes in colors now or at least what Apple calls colors, which is dark silver,
00:31:45 ◼ ► light silver and gold. They're all just the three metals that we're used to, but that's
00:31:49 ◼ ► more than it used to. And I will tell you as a person who's been using the MacBook Air since
00:31:54 ◼ ► the very beginning, it's a MacBook Air. Like the bottom, it's got the little feet, it's got the
00:31:59 ◼ ► curve, the way it opens up. It is a MacBook Air. It is not like our new take on what a MacBook Air
00:32:07 ◼ ► is like. No, it is a MacBook Air. Anybody who's used the Air will be able to pick one of these up
00:32:13 ◼ ► and say, "Yep, this is it." I mean, in some ways it's less exciting because it's not like the iPads
00:32:20 ◼ ► we're going to talk about where it's like, "Whoa, it's totally different. It's really weird. We're
00:32:23 ◼ ► going to have to get used to this." This one, it's just like, "Yeah, they did it. They did the
00:32:27 ◼ ► retina Air." In fact, in hindsight, you look at it and you go, "Why didn't you do this two years ago?
00:32:40 ◼ ► so you can still buy it, which is, "Ah, okay." And so my thinking on that is it's kind of strange
00:32:50 ◼ ► because now you've just... There are three laptops in the lineup which are all kind of jockeying for
00:32:56 ◼ ► the same position. And it is interesting to me that you can still get them. Well, maybe four,
00:33:02 ◼ ► right? You've got the old MacBook Air, the new MacBook Air, the MacBook, and the 13-inch MacBook
00:33:07 ◼ ► Pro, the base edition. Those machines are all similar in certain ways. They're priced differently.
00:33:13 ◼ ► When I look at the pricing of this MacBook Air, I'm reminded of the MacBook again because it's
00:33:21 ◼ ► like, "Well, here's a better machine. It's much more desirable. It's got everything you want,
00:33:25 ◼ ► but it's too expensive." It's at a higher price point. That's what happened with the MacBook,
00:33:29 ◼ ► and then they kept the MacBook Air around. And now they've introduced a new MacBook Air,
00:33:33 ◼ ► which has everything you want and more, but it's still more expensive. And I don't know,
00:33:37 ◼ ► I'm keen to see what happens here. I mean, if I was in the market for a laptop, this is the one
00:33:42 ◼ ► that I would buy because it's the best kind of state of everything. I'm happy with my MacBook
00:33:47 ◼ ► Pro. I use it so infrequently that I'm not in the market, but it does seem like a great machine.
00:33:52 ◼ ► It is also a shame that they missed back to school with this. This would have been the perfect laptop
00:33:58 ◼ ► for a lot of students, right? And I can only assume that Apple was frustrated that they couldn't get
00:34:04 ◼ ► it out for whatever reason at that point. But... - And there's the mystery of the MacBook now,
00:34:07 ◼ ► and not just the MacBook Escape, which I don't know why it exists anymore, but the mystery
00:34:11 ◼ ► of the MacBook. - Like, what is it for? - Well, and it's still, this is a cheaper computer that has
00:34:17 ◼ ► two ports and they're both Thunderbolt 3. - Yeah. - I like the MacBook. And I think that who is
00:34:22 ◼ ► it for is people who want a lighter, a two pound computer instead of a 2.75 pound computer. I get
00:34:28 ◼ ► it. I get it. But the one port and it's still just USB-C, like that's the part where I feel like,
00:34:35 ◼ ► you know, what's going on there that hasn't gotten an update now and still hasn't gotten an update.
00:34:39 ◼ ► And what does that mean? Is Apple not sure it wants to stick around with that or is it just not
00:34:43 ◼ ► going to update it right now and it'll do it later? So those are things that we're going to have to
00:34:47 ◼ ► watch. - They got rid of the rose gold in the MacBook. - Oh, interesting. - So that's just
00:34:52 ◼ ► gold, silver and space grey. - Yeah, Apple seems to be down on rose gold now. - Yeah, it's past
00:34:57 ◼ ► se. I think Touch ID is great. You know what it tells me though? And I look at it and I'm like,
00:35:03 ◼ ► because that was a surprise. I think it says that this MacBook Air is going to be around for a while.
00:35:08 ◼ ► Like they're kind of future proofing it. Eventually all of the Macs are going to get either Face ID or
00:35:12 ◼ ► Touch ID and they've maybe put the Touch ID in this machine faster than we would expect because
00:35:19 ◼ ► they've kind of made it and now they're going to leave it for a bit. - Well, yeah, that's right.
00:35:23 ◼ ► Even if they update the processors in it every so often. - It's not as much work as like doing
00:35:29 ◼ ► everything. - Oh, now we've got to put in, I mean, this is their opportunity to redo this product and
00:35:33 ◼ ► put in the T2 and put in Touch ID. - Oh, T2, yeah, of course. I mean, that's a big deal, right? - So
00:35:37 ◼ ► this is their opportunity. Well, and it makes that computer much more capable in what it's doing.
00:35:43 ◼ ► You're seeing the T2 and I think by extension only, no more spinning hard drives extend to
00:35:49 ◼ ► everywhere in the line and presumably the iMacs will be next. But this is like basically all new
00:35:56 ◼ ► Macs it seems at this point will have a T2 or similar processor in it and will have, if it's
00:36:02 ◼ ► a laptop, it's going to have Touch ID unless they go to Face ID at some point and which they might
00:36:06 ◼ ► with iMacs, right? Because you can't have a touch sensor on the iMac, really. - Unless they do the
00:36:12 ◼ ► keyboard that everybody wants, right? Like they make a keyboard that has a built-in. - Which I just
00:36:15 ◼ ► don't think they're going to do. I think it's much more likely that their iMacs will just do Face ID
00:36:19 ◼ ► and their 5K display will do Face ID with the Mac Pro. - I agree with you because plus as well,
00:36:26 ◼ ► Face ID is the future anyway. Like Touch ID is old technology, but it's taken its time to get into
00:36:31 ◼ ► the Macs. It's new for the Mac. - So do that now on the MacBook Air and then we'll, and then, you know,
00:36:35 ◼ ► and then, because then it'll go for four years, you know, four or five years looking exactly like
00:36:40 ◼ ► it looks now with some new processor updates every so often. - New Mac Mini. They made a bit of fun
00:36:47 ◼ ► of this, I think. There was a, you know, you could definitely read this as like they were kind of like
00:36:51 ◼ ► a wink-wink nudge-nudge. Like Tim kind of made a lighthearted joke like, you know, we know that our
00:36:56 ◼ ► customers really want this and then they made this like really bold video of it looking like it's
00:37:00 ◼ ► coming from space. But it's here. It's space gray now, which means it's for professionals.
00:37:18 ◼ ► No spinning disk option. There are images on the website that seem to indicate that the RAM is user
00:37:23 ◼ ► upgradeable, which is a big surprise. - Yeah, that was the strong implication in the event as well,
00:37:29 ◼ ► is like pros care that these things, about these things and so they've got the... - Which is,
00:37:34 ◼ ► I will say that is a good sign for the Mac Pro, right? If the Mac Mini is going to be user
00:37:41 ◼ ► upgradeable again, that is a very good sign for a modular Mac Pro, whatever that might mean.
00:37:46 ◼ ► The Mac Mini gains T2. It has four Thunderbolt 3 ports, two USB-A ports, and you can get,
00:37:53 ◼ ► it has an ethernet port, which can go up to 10 gigabytes, which is great. That's great.
00:38:03 ◼ ► it's like a custom config. - Yes, you have to buy it that way. - Ultra super fast, which is like the
00:38:07 ◼ ► iMac Pro has that built in. So it's an option here and all those ports, like they said the right
00:38:13 ◼ ► things, which is we know that pros like ports and we know that this is a computer that is used by a
00:38:18 ◼ ► lot of professional people to do all sorts of stuff. So we're just gonna throw them all on there.
00:38:22 ◼ ► Four Thunderbolt 3, two USB-A, go HDMI. - And a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack. - Yeah, just go for it.
00:38:29 ◼ ► - Because that's, of course, that's the machine that needs, anyway, we'll get into that later on.
00:38:33 ◼ ► The Mac Mini, that's the one that needs the headphone jack. Oh yeah, don't keep it on the
00:38:37 ◼ ► portable products. It's a space gray made from the old iPads and iPhones. The enclosure is mostly
00:38:44 ◼ ► unchanged. $799. So I'll ask you this question again. Is this the Mac Mini update that we've
00:38:50 ◼ ► been waiting for? Is this what we wanted? - Yeah, I'm surprised that they did not redesign the
00:38:56 ◼ ► outside. I figured that when they were going to bother redoing the Mac Mini, they would do
00:39:02 ◼ ► something to make it look different. And instead they made a video with a UFO and then made it space
00:39:07 ◼ ► gray. Which I guess that's the pro focus. If we had done the old pro focus, like how do we define
00:39:14 ◼ ► whether this has a pro focus or not? The answer is it's space gray. In the demo room afterward,
00:39:19 ◼ ► it was paired with a space gray keyboard and a space gray track pad. - And they set the word
00:39:23 ◼ ► professional a bunch. And do you know what they did? Which I really appreciated? They showed a
00:39:27 ◼ ► bunch of edge cases. - They did. - And that's what this machine is all about. - They showed Mac
00:39:31 ◼ ► Stadium, right? They showed all of these examples, including like a slide and a whole spiel about
00:39:37 ◼ ► the existence of Mac Stadium. The guy from Mac Stadium was there. Mac Mini-Colo guy. He was in
00:39:43 ◼ ► the audience. And apparently they told him, "Don't tell anybody you're in New York." Because it gives
00:39:49 ◼ ► it away, right? What else would give it away more than that? So he kept it quiet. But it is great,
00:39:56 ◼ ► right? Like that is, I like, I thought it was the perfect way to talk about the Mac Mini, which is
00:40:01 ◼ ► it's got, what doesn't it do? It's got lots of uses. It's really flexible. We found that a lot
00:40:08 ◼ ► of these uses are, they want more advanced stuff. They care about that stuff. It is, it fits
00:40:14 ◼ ► perfectly in the thing that I've been saying for a long time about the Mini, which is that it is
00:40:18 ◼ ► the escape valve for the Mac that Apple can be as opinionated as they want to be in other areas,
00:40:26 ◼ ► especially like on the iMac, right? But then there's like, or just get a Mac Mini and it's
00:40:31 ◼ ► got all the ports and do whatever. - Yeah. Just like shut up and leave us alone. Go buy that thing.
00:40:35 ◼ ► - It's useful to have that 'cause they can just say, "Look, just get that. Just get that." And
00:40:40 ◼ ► that's why people have been cranky about the Mac Mini. It's not like the Mac Mini is the super
00:40:44 ◼ ► important Mac product, but it fills a niche and has not, or like a million tiny niches, and
00:40:51 ◼ ► those have not been maintained for the last few years. So it is legitimately the first good
00:40:59 ◼ ► upgrade to the Mac Mini in like a decade. Because remember the last upgrade, which was a long time
00:41:04 ◼ ► ago, was a downgrade 'cause you lost the four core processor. And now you can't get it without four
00:41:15 ◼ ► means you can spend a lot of money on a Mac Mini if you really want to, but you'll get,
00:41:18 ◼ ► I would argue like the high level Mac Mini, that's the mythical mid range mini tower that people have
00:41:25 ◼ ► been talking about. It doesn't have the expansion. You'll have to do USPC expansion, but you could do
00:41:30 ◼ ► that. You could put a, you can hang an external GPU on it if you want to. - Yeah. This is an
00:41:37 ◼ ► interesting machine. Like I don't know what my next computer will be, right? Ideally what I want,
00:41:45 ◼ ► and I've mentioned this before, like my next Mac to be something that I can expand and maybe just
00:41:51 ◼ ► expanding the RAM will be enough for me. And then maybe I'll go to a Mac Mini. Like I'm waiting,
00:41:57 ◼ ► right? Like I'm waiting for the Mac Pro, wait to see what it's like next year. And then I'll make
00:42:01 ◼ ► my decision there. - And no doubt the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini will both work with that 5K Apple
00:42:05 ◼ ► display when it does come. - Yep. So I'm kind of in a wait and see moment, but like that Mac Mini
00:42:10 ◼ ► looks really great. Like I've been toying with the idea recently of getting, like just building my own
00:42:15 ◼ ► little home server for a bunch of reasons. I'm going to talk about one of them in a minute,
00:42:18 ◼ ► actually. But, and I think that I will, I will pick one of these up at some, at some point pretty
00:42:23 ◼ ► soon. I haven't ordered one immediately because I didn't think it was completely necessary that I
00:42:28 ◼ ► needed to order one immediately. Because, but basically all of these products are available
00:42:32 ◼ ► for pre-order today and the shipping next Wednesday, which is a super weird day. But great.
00:42:38 ◼ ► I'm like, please, I want them as soon as possible. I don't want to wait till Friday for the iPad. So
00:42:42 ◼ ► yeah, I'll take them Wednesday. So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm probably going to get one of these as
00:42:47 ◼ ► well at some point, but you mentioned iMacs. It was one of your picks. So no new iMacs,
00:42:51 ◼ ► no Mac Pro teaser. I think no new iMacs, even just an update for processors is more surprising.
00:42:58 ◼ ► It's, it's not the first time that they blown past a year and not updated them. They, they do seem to
00:43:04 ◼ ► update them a little bit irregularly. So after I picked that last week, I was like, maybe not,
00:43:10 ◼ ► but it was too late. And, and yeah, so I think it's fine because I don't think they're going to
00:43:16 ◼ ► go year. I think they'll probably update them next spring and it may have something to do with what
00:43:21 ◼ ► Intel processors they want to put in there. It may be a simple, and I know this is hard to believe,
00:43:25 ◼ ► but this is how Apple operates. It may be as simple as they can't make that many ship that
00:43:30 ◼ ► many new Mac models all at once because they've got a limited number of people who work on this
00:43:35 ◼ ► stuff and you think, well, they're Apple, they're huge. They are, but they don't have a huge staff.
00:43:39 ◼ ► They've got a lot of people, but it's not like, I mean, there is a limit to how many products that
00:43:43 ◼ ► they can, they can turn out at one time. And it may be that in the Mac group, like they prioritize
00:43:48 ◼ ► the MacBook air and the Mac mini. And like, we finally are going to give them some air,
00:43:57 ◼ ► The price of that is that Mac that iMac launch that we could have done this fall. We're going
00:44:01 ◼ ► to do next spring instead. Like, and that's, that's not a bad trade-off I would say because
00:44:05 ◼ ► the iMac is okay. The iMac is okay. It's, it's only a year old. It's fine. So I guess we're
00:44:11 ◼ ► expecting the Mac Pro in June, right? I mean, it was a very outside chance that we'd get a teaser
00:44:16 ◼ ► today. It really does make the most sense that they either tease it or have like release, like
00:44:21 ◼ ► release information available at WWDC next year. I think we're, I'm still on the late 2019, early
00:44:27 ◼ ► 2020 kind of train. I, if I had to put money down, it would be that they will announce it at WWDC and
00:44:33 ◼ ► ship it in like December. Just like they did with the iMac Pro. Yeah. Like there's a precedent for
00:44:38 ◼ ► it. It makes sense. You know, I understand what you're saying about the spring. I could also see
00:44:42 ◼ ► them updating the iMacs at the same time, um, which would be a long time, but it feels like
00:44:47 ◼ ► a possibility to me as well. Yeah. They can't, I mean, if you got them and they're ready to go,
00:44:51 ◼ ► then you might as well put them out the door and move on to the next thing, I guess, but we'll see.
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00:47:21 ◼ ► iPad display thing I've ever tried. And it is nice. Put that 12.9 inch iPad Pro that you might
00:47:35 ◼ ► - What a great idea. I didn't even think of that. Well, I can't use my 12.9 because this
00:47:51 ◼ ► and this might, this is probably a recency thing, but who knows? I think I'm more excited for these
00:47:59 ◼ ► - I am very excited. I am very excited. You've held them, which I want to hear all about in a
00:48:03 ◼ ► minute. Let's do like a super quick rundown of what we've got. It's two sizes. They have
00:48:10 ◼ ► - Yeah. So just like the 10R, they're liquid retina. So it's an LCD display. It's got a LED
00:48:17 ◼ ► backlighting. It is kind of, they're cutting around the edges to get the rounded corners
00:48:22 ◼ ► and then doing like sub pixel anti-aliasing masking and all sorts of other tricks to do this
00:48:28 ◼ ► curved look that they like from OLED that LCD screens just can't do. So they make them look
00:48:34 ◼ ► that way, which is super tricky. So it's basically the same approach that they took in the 10R,
00:48:39 ◼ ► but on an iPad. And they've got all the, you know, true tone promotion. They've got all the same kind
00:48:45 ◼ ► of like wizzy display technologies that they had in the previous ones. You mentioned the two sizes.
00:48:50 ◼ ► I think that, I think they did exactly the right thing with those two iPads, which is what they
00:48:55 ◼ ► said on stage was perfect. They said, the 10.5 iPad, everybody likes that size. It's basically,
00:49:02 ◼ ► you know, it's almost the size of the 9.7. It's a little bit bigger, but it's everybody likes the
00:49:06 ◼ ► size. So we're keeping the size and just making the screen bigger. And with 12.9 and you and I
00:49:12 ◼ ► can both testify to this. Everybody likes that screen, but it's big. It's a big iPad. And so
00:49:18 ◼ ► on the 12.9, we're going to keep the screen the same size and make the iPad smaller. And that's
00:49:25 ◼ ► absolutely the right decisions in both. So now we've got an 11 inch iPad Pro and another 12.9
00:49:32 ◼ ► with the bezels all pulled in and the home button gone. There was a delightfully quirky little video
00:49:45 ◼ ► It was so good. - They did a good job with it. I always wanted, I really liked the idea that when
00:49:50 ◼ ► you're making something smaller, like Apple always does, you have a video where you can use special
00:49:54 ◼ ► effects to like have a hand kind of like just shove it in and now it's smaller. Like I really
00:50:00 ◼ ► liked it. It really illustrates that really well that they're doing that. And I think both really
00:50:06 ◼ ► great decisions. And of course that means there's face ID instead of touch ID, the home button is
00:50:11 ◼ ► gone. And as a 12.9 user, I had been thinking that I might try the smaller iPad just because the 12.9
00:50:20 ◼ ► is a bit of a load. And then I look at this, I'm like, oh, I don't need to, I can just use the 12.9
00:50:26 ◼ ► and it'll be smaller. That's like even better. Cause I love that screen. It's so great to have
00:50:30 ◼ ► the big screen and run multiple apps. And now the whole thing's just going to be less ungainly than
00:50:36 ◼ ► it currently is. So tell me you've held them. You've been in the demo room, you've seen them
00:50:41 ◼ ► both. I want to know how different do they feel from each other? The two, the two models. Yeah,
00:50:48 ◼ ► because the screen sizes and the body sizes they're closer together than they've ever been.
00:50:53 ◼ ► Do they feel distinctly different still? I think so. I think so. Although I might argue that it's
00:50:58 ◼ ► a little bit like the 10 S and the 10 S max where if you use one for a while and then you use the
00:51:03 ◼ ► other one, you go, oh, this is different. But then you get used to the one size. I do think it is a
00:51:10 ◼ ► case where the screen of the one has grown and the size of the other one has shrunk. And as a result,
00:51:14 ◼ ► they're more similar than they've ever been. Remembering that originally it was a 9.7 and
00:51:19 ◼ ► a 12.9 and then went to 10.5. Now it's 11. Like it's the small iPad pro keeps wanting to be like
00:51:24 ◼ ► its big brother. It's like, I want to be like you. And it's like, easy, buddy, easy. You're,
00:51:30 ◼ ► you're now only like 1.9 inches away. You can't get too close to where the same product in a couple
00:51:35 ◼ ► of years, it will be a 15 inch iPad pro. It's like, there you go. It's going to run away. It's
00:51:40 ◼ ► going to beat this little guy. Now I'm at 15 inches. Like, oh no, I there's a cartoon to be
00:51:45 ◼ ► drawn about this probably by a listener. Uh, anyway, so, but they're different. I mean, like I,
00:51:51 ◼ ► I picked up the 11 and held that for awhile. And then I went and sought out a 12.9 and yeah,
00:52:00 ◼ ► it's bigger. It's, I mean, it is the thing we all talk about, which is that it's, it's the big,
00:52:06 ◼ ► it's the big brother. It's you want a 11 inch screen or a 13 inch screen, like with a MacBook
00:52:11 ◼ ► Air would say the classic kind of 11 or 13. And you have to make, you have to make the decision,
00:52:16 ◼ ► but they feel, they feel so different, Myke. I mean, that's the big thing for me about it is
00:52:22 ◼ ► the, if I had to describe the difference and I know it's only at the edges, not the back,
00:52:27 ◼ ► the back of the current iPad pro is flat, but the way I would describe these new IMAX or iPads is
00:52:34 ◼ ► flat. Like, and it's because of the edges, because it's got flat edges instead of curved edges.
00:52:40 ◼ ► It, it feels so it's more kind of boxy like the original iPad, by the way, the original iPad had
00:52:46 ◼ ► the edges. And so it's got the flat back completely flat, and then it goes to the edge. And I really
00:52:53 ◼ ► like it. It's going to take some getting used to holding, you know, we already had to get used to
00:52:58 ◼ ► holding an iPad with narrower bezels than before when they redesigned it to have the, the one side
00:53:04 ◼ ► be narrower and now all the sides are, are much narrower. And so, you know, there, there are those
00:53:09 ◼ ► moments of like, am I, am I touching the side of the display and messing it up? I know they do,
00:53:15 ◼ ► they do all sorts of palm detection and other kind of like rejection of gestures on the side
00:53:20 ◼ ► that they think are probably you holding it, but there's going to be some adaptation there,
00:53:25 ◼ ► but it is Tim Cook said something super weird, which is you're essentially holding a light.
00:53:31 ◼ ► It's like, I don't know what that is. I don't know. There was like far out, man. And it was just,
00:53:37 ◼ ► it was like a bit much, but I get the point, which is the whole goal of this product is that your,
00:53:44 ◼ ► it's just a display and that everything just disappears. And what they really hammered home
00:53:48 ◼ ► during the app demos is it is the iPad is a screen that you can make be what you want it to be.
00:53:56 ◼ ► And they definitely follow, follow through with that base ID in every orientation, every
00:54:02 ◼ ► orientation. Yeah. In fact, when you speaking of holding the thing if you try to unlock it and your
00:54:08 ◼ ► fingers over the camera, because you may not be paying attention to which direction you're holding
00:54:12 ◼ ► it. And the camera is kind of in the middle of that, the, the, one of the narrow sides.
00:54:17 ◼ ► Yeah. It puts up a little thing that says camera covered and a little arrow pointing at where the
00:54:26 ◼ ► camera is on the screen. There's like a little arrow pointing at your, your thumb, basically,
00:54:31 ◼ ► and saying that move it. And then you move it and it looks at your face and it unlocks and you can,
00:54:37 ◼ ► yeah, they, they demoed it for us. You know, it was trained to the face of the demo person.
00:54:41 ◼ ► So they demoed it for us and you know, they, they unlocked it upside down where the camera's at the
00:54:46 ◼ ► bottom. Okay. So there's kind of a distance and a weird angle up to the face of the guy who was
00:54:50 ◼ ► demoing it. It was fine. So we'll see how it is in practice, but it looked like it worked great and
00:54:56 ◼ ► they figured out a way to make that camera. Um, and those detectors work at various angles,
00:55:03 ◼ ► left, right, up and down. So that, that is a big surprise. I think, I don't think I was expecting
00:55:09 ◼ ► that. And they said that this was along with many other things possible because of the A12X
00:55:22 ◼ ► as they refer to it as a super powerful eight core CPU. So it has the high efficiency cores and like
00:55:27 ◼ ► the power, like the performance cores. Yeah. And it'll run all eight if, if it needs to. Yeah.
00:55:31 ◼ ► Very much like the A12. It is 35% faster on single core processes in the previous iPad,
00:55:37 ◼ ► 90% faster on multi-core as a seven core GPU, which is two times faster and super weirdly,
00:55:43 ◼ ► they showed us a slide, which has an Xbox on it. And they said the graphics are comparable to an
00:55:48 ◼ ► Xbox one S and I was like, okay. Like it was, it was really strange to see that comparison.
00:56:02 ◼ ► right. Those graphics were incredible. Now that game, I don't know how you play it because like,
00:56:06 ◼ ► it's not control league, it's like tapping on stuff as a basketball game. I don't know where
00:56:09 ◼ ► it works, irrespective of that. The graphics quality was, it was comparable to consoles.
00:56:16 ◼ ► Now Xbox one S is the lower powered version of the Xbox. There is an Xbox one X, which is 4k one.
00:56:22 ◼ ► That's all we have. Nevertheless, these graphics are console, like they, they look like a console's
00:56:29 ◼ ► graphics. Like that is very impressive what they've been able to do. And the A12X brings
00:56:35 ◼ ► over the neural engine, which is the first time that this has been available, uh, on an iPad.
00:56:40 ◼ ► Right. So that's probably what is helping. Well, it's definitely what's helping the face
00:56:49 ◼ ► which is really exciting. Anything using the machine learning stuff will, will pick up that
00:56:54 ◼ ► neural engine in the A12X. All day battery life. Yeah. Yeah. This is something that they said,
00:57:00 ◼ ► again, it's great, right? The concept, but this is an interesting example where Apple has decided
00:57:10 ◼ ► the MacBook air, about the iPad pro, uh, it, uh, of course it offers all day battery life. And this,
00:57:16 ◼ ► I feel like is Apple's code word for like, you know, remember when, uh, Stephen Hackett and I
00:57:22 ◼ ► were talking about this and I made a chart about like quoted battery life in, uh, on the iPad over
00:57:28 ◼ ► the, over time and how it's always 10 hours. And it's varied a little bit. I feel like they've just
00:57:34 ◼ ► decided their philosophy is we want you to be able to get through the day of normal, a day of
00:57:38 ◼ ► normal use with this device. And so we're going to stop saying, well, on this device, we consider 10
00:57:43 ◼ ► hours normal use. And on this device, we consider six hours, normal use. They've just backed all the
00:57:48 ◼ ► way off to say it lasts all day and that's it. That's all they want to say. I'm sure there are
00:57:53 ◼ ► specs and at times quoted in, uh, you know, on, on a site somewhere in a reviewer's guide or
00:57:58 ◼ ► something like that. But in the presentation, they didn't talk about how many hours of battery life,
00:58:02 ◼ ► because it gets complicated. Like what were the tests and all that they just said it has all day
00:58:06 ◼ ► battery life. We are confident and they walk away at that point. There is no headphone jack,
00:58:11 ◼ ► um, on this iPad. The headphone jack is gone. Uh, there's no included dongle. Apple makes one. There
00:58:18 ◼ ► is a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter headphone jack, a dongle that you can buy. Remember no lightning
00:58:23 ◼ ► anymore. It's got USB-C. And so that means the lightning adapter you've got won't work with it.
00:58:28 ◼ ► You need a USB-C headphone adapter if you want to use wired headphones with the iPad. I've already
00:58:34 ◼ ► seen a million headlines about this and this is going to be the thing that people talk about.
00:58:39 ◼ ► And I'll just say it is annoying. I didn't want it to happen. I mentioned it, but I'm going to
00:58:44 ◼ ► get by like, Oh, if I want to use my 3.5 millimeter headphones, I will get a USB-C dongle and put it
00:58:50 ◼ ► on there and keep it. Or maybe I'll, maybe I'll buy USB-C headphones or maybe Bluetooth headphones
00:58:55 ◼ ► and probably get some dongle that has two USB ports on it so I can power it. Like, sure,
00:59:00 ◼ ► it's going to be annoying, but I'm not going to let this thing taint my feelings about what looks
00:59:05 ◼ ► to be an incredible product. Like I am frustrated to see that Mac Mini keeps its 3.5 millimeter
00:59:10 ◼ ► headphone jack because that feels almost silly. And the MacBook Air and the iPad doesn't, but
00:59:17 ◼ ► this is not going to be a thing that I'm going to get all bent out of shape about over a long
00:59:21 ◼ ► period of time because I'll get used to it. Like there are other options. It is a frustration. It's
00:59:27 ◼ ► a shame, but this product looks so incredible in every other way. It's just like, okay, like that's
00:59:33 ◼ ► what, that's my trade off. That's what I lose. Fine. Yeah. I, I agree with you that in the end,
00:59:38 ◼ ► it's not going to diminish my enthusiasm for the product very much. That said, it bugs me because
00:59:44 ◼ ► it's a pro product. Yes. And one of the pro uses of a pro product is going to be audio. Yeah. And
00:59:52 ◼ ► wireless headphones have latency issues. And if you're doing something that requires precision
00:59:58 ◼ ► audio, you either will have to get a new set of headphones that are wireless that are using a
01:00:07 ◼ ► version of Bluetooth that has completely eliminated latency. Do those exist? Maybe they do. I don't
01:00:14 ◼ ► know. Or you will have to buy an adapter and use your wired headphones because like the only time
01:00:20 ◼ ► I ever plug in, well, that's not true. Sometimes if I'm on a plane or something, I'll watch a movie
01:00:27 ◼ ► and then I'll plug in headphones. But the primary reason I plug in headphones on the iPad pro is to
01:00:33 ◼ ► edit usually audio and I can't have latency, right? I can't press play and then wait and it starts to
01:00:43 ◼ ► roll. And then eventually the, you know, the audio appears and then I can hear it and I pause it and,
01:00:48 ◼ ► you know, and there's a delay that you can't do that. And wired headphones, there's no delay. So
01:00:53 ◼ ► it frustrates me because that strikes me as a pro use. They showed all of the like DJ software
01:01:00 ◼ ► running on it. Like I guess the DJ will have a dongle to do audio out because they're not going
01:01:05 ◼ ► to do like Bluetooth to their giant DJ system, right? There are lots of very popular and
01:01:10 ◼ ► successful DJs in dongle town. You know, they're there too. You know, the DJs, the DJs of dongle
01:01:15 ◼ ► town, the people in, in dongle town want to dance, Myke, they want to dance. They do. And they should,
01:01:20 ◼ ► they should be allowed to because they can't let anybody stop them. It's like, look, we're going
01:01:24 ◼ ► to talk about it. This probably this one time and it's just like, we'll, we'll might bring it up
01:01:27 ◼ ► later on when we get other frustrations, but like, what are you going to do? Right? Like,
01:01:31 ◼ ► this is just how it is and it will be this way and we'll get used to it. Uh, my hope is that
01:01:36 ◼ ► adding USB-C will be overall a huge benefit and I don't, they didn't go into tons about what it can
01:01:46 ◼ ► do. There are a few things which are interesting, right? Like they show connecting cameras,
01:01:49 ◼ ► they show connecting it to a display. One thing that is super cool is you can charge your iPhone
01:01:54 ◼ ► from your iPad, which is great. Like it's just like, okay, great. Like that is a, yeah, that's
01:01:58 ◼ ► the thing where it's like, well now I have a benefit that I didn't have before. And that is
01:02:02 ◼ ► one, my iPad always has battery. My iPhone doesn't always, you know, so that's like a great thing
01:02:07 ◼ ► that it can do it. The battery is way bigger. Um, and I'm just hoping that the potential
01:02:18 ◼ ► I will say that like, they didn't really show off a lot that I didn't see anything about external
01:02:24 ◼ ► storage. I don't know if it can do it yet. We're going to have to wait and see how that,
01:02:27 ◼ ► all that sort of stuff works, but if it doesn't now, I'm confident they will add it in the next
01:02:32 ◼ ► version of iOS. Like I believe there was a, there was a really good reason that they've done this
01:02:36 ◼ ► and it's going to show over time and it will make up for any of the disadvantages of adding USB-C,
01:02:42 ◼ ► you know, like I think it's a overall really good thing. I, you know, never, you never assume,
01:02:48 ◼ ► but it feels like the, the popular conspiracy theory is there were originally going to be a
01:02:53 ◼ ► lot of iPad features in iOS 12 and they got kicked out to iOS 13. That was reported. Um,
01:03:00 ◼ ► and you build your hardware over a long period of time. So presumably the move to USB-C on the iPad
01:03:07 ◼ ► Pro predated kicking features out of iOS 12. And therefore the way that this, this theory goes,
01:03:18 ◼ ► there are probably a whole bunch of things that will be in iOS 13 where we'll get the beta in June
01:03:22 ◼ ► that will improve the iPad Pro and perhaps specifically USB-C. I had to laugh. Um, again,
01:03:30 ◼ ► you know, marketing is you put your best foot forward and you're trying to make everybody
01:03:33 ◼ ► feel like this is the natural right thing to do. And isn't it great. And sometimes if you know a
01:03:38 ◼ ► lot about a subject, you see marketing and you're like, what are they doing there? And I had that
01:03:43 ◼ ► moment where they were extolling the virtues of USB-C by showing somebody like you could be
01:03:53 ◼ ► cause that's like all you can do. That's literally all iOS will let you do. They're using like the
01:03:58 ◼ ► two use cases there. They might as well also plug in a keyboard, like you could also plug in a
01:04:02 ◼ ► keyboard and you can charge your phone. You can do all, what can it do? And the answer is everything
01:04:07 ◼ ► else. Plug in a hard drive. No, you can't do that. Uh, so we'll, we'll, we'll see. We'll see what
01:04:13 ◼ ► they, what they do and if they change it. Cause that's, that's my particular bugaboo about iOS
01:04:19 ◼ ► support of USB-C is iOS doesn't support, um, you know, storage that you can't plug in a flash drive
01:04:26 ◼ ► or a hard drive and see what's on it in files app, which you should be able to do. And you can't. And
01:04:32 ◼ ► I think it being USB, it's even more of an expectation that USB devices will work with it
01:04:38 ◼ ► and out of the box, it looks like a lot of the USB devices will just not just like they don't really
01:04:43 ◼ ► work with, uh, the current versions via adapter. So, Oh, well it is, uh, in some cases it's going
01:04:50 ◼ ► to be trading one set of dongles for another. And in other cases you'll have USB-C devices and
01:04:54 ◼ ► you'll just be able to plug them or get a cable and then you won't need an adapter for your iPad
01:04:58 ◼ ► anymore. And that's nice. So these iPads come in 64 gigabytes, 256 gigabytes, 512 and one terabyte.
01:05:05 ◼ ► The one terabyte is also enabled by A12X and you can do that for the A12X Bionic chip. Bionic chip?
01:05:12 ◼ ► Not the A1210 Bionic chip. No, it's not that. The 10.5 inch starts at $799. The 12.9 inch starts at
01:05:20 ◼ ► $999. They are both more expensive than the previous versions. Um, but that makes sense to me.
01:05:27 ◼ ► Uh, I know that this stuff is, can be frustrating for people, but I can look at these products and
01:05:33 ◼ ► feel like, yeah, they do look like more expensive than the other ones. So I think I kind of get it.
01:05:38 ◼ ► The 10.5 is sticking around at a cheaper price point. Um, ordering today, shipping next Wednesday.
01:05:45 ◼ ► Who doesn't like a Wednesday? Everyone loves Wednesdays now. But that's not the whole story.
01:05:50 ◼ ► Yes. Myke, you got an Apple pencil too. And I got about 75% of what I wanted and I can't believe I
01:05:57 ◼ ► got that much. So it has magnets in it. Well, there's magnets all over the place. There's
01:06:02 ◼ ► magnets for the Apple pencil and the smart keyboard now. Yeah. Yeah. They said there are 102 magnets.
01:06:08 ◼ ► It's a lot of magnets. It's good we don't use VCR tapes anymore because they'd all be wiped.
01:06:15 ◼ ► Don't put your old floppy disks against the iPad pro. Uh, the new pencil attaches magnetically to
01:06:22 ◼ ► the top of the iPad, which means it has a flat edge. Oh my gosh. So happy about that. I did not
01:06:29 ◼ ► expect them to do this, but a flat edge means it can stick to the iPad, but also means it won't
01:06:34 ◼ ► roll anymore. It has a flat edge to put down a flat edge by the way that you can get engraved.
01:06:39 ◼ ► If you want to Federico was ordering his and he was like, I'm going to put teaching on it.
01:06:48 ◼ ► does that make the shipping slower? I don't know. I didn't want to risk it because I really want it
01:06:53 ◼ ► all on the same time. So, uh, I didn't do it. Uh, I did see a tweet earlier on today that Marco,
01:06:59 ◼ ► uh, posted. It says Myke was right on an Apple pencil, which I'll probably will have to do at
01:07:04 ◼ ► some point. Right. Like probably going to have to do that. So, so the it's not so magnet magnet to
01:07:10 ◼ ► hold it. So it's like they have a plan of how you're going to hold this thing against your iPad.
01:07:14 ◼ ► It's great. And it was, it's, it's not a, uh, it's a solid hold. It's not a falls off when you
01:07:20 ◼ ► shake the iPad kind of hold. It's a solid hold. There's a little strip. You can actually see it.
01:07:24 ◼ ► There's a little thing on the side and that's the magnet spot where the, uh, pencil goes. And
01:07:30 ◼ ► it's not just a magnet spot. It's an induction charging spot. I did not expect them to do this.
01:07:41 ◼ ► it will always be with you and it's always charged. It's like, yeah, that's what we want.
01:07:46 ◼ ► And now there's no little thing to pop off and lose. Like they have done. So like I wanted other
01:07:51 ◼ ► things, right? Like I wanted it to be made of a different material, but what they have done is
01:07:55 ◼ ► they've made it a matte finish. So I'm like, I'm interested to see how that feels, but stuff like
01:08:00 ◼ ► wireless induction, like wireless induction charging of some kind. I don't, I don't think
01:08:03 ◼ ► it's cheap. I didn't say, but it's just, it charges in wirelessly somehow. That is something
01:08:09 ◼ ► that I wouldn't have expected for the second version. So that is a real exciting thing.
01:08:13 ◼ ► I wanted a button. They've given me the Apple version of a button. It, you, you double tap on
01:08:18 ◼ ► the pencil on the touch sensitive area that exists to change tools. Yeah. Apple doesn't want to give
01:08:24 ◼ ► you buttons, but Apple is happy to give you, I don't know this and I don't know what it says
01:08:28 ◼ ► on the website because again, I'm in that cone of silence, but it looked to me awfully like what it
01:08:32 ◼ ► is as an accelerometer where the, the, that makes sense where, where the pencil is, is just feeling
01:08:38 ◼ ► that you're tapping on it. Cause it's not swipe or anything. It's you tap on the, on the thing,
01:08:42 ◼ ► think on the AirPods. That's just like the AirPods. So you tap and then there's a system
01:08:48 ◼ ► setting. You can say like, do you want this to be tapped to go between a racer and not, or tap to go
01:08:54 ◼ ► to the previous tool or not? Yeah. Well it's better to say it is an app setting, not a system setting.
01:09:00 ◼ ► So no, there is a system setting, although I think it may be for the notes though. Yeah,
01:09:04 ◼ ► that's the notes. That's notes. The setting. So you can, you can double tap and change tools and,
01:09:08 ◼ ► and those can be programmed to do different things. So I'm interested to see how developers
01:09:13 ◼ ► do this. When they showed a Photoshop, the double tap was zooming in and out. Um, I'm excited to see
01:09:18 ◼ ► what this could be. Like what, what I asked for, right? You should press a button and you can use
01:09:21 ◼ ► an eraser. This is the Apple version of doing that. It wasn't that I specifically wanted a button.
01:09:26 ◼ ► I wanted what a button provides, which was for YouTube without having to tap in the interface,
01:09:31 ◼ ► have quick actions to get to another function. I think this is wonderful. Um, weirdly, there is a
01:09:37 ◼ ► two pencil maximum for online ordering. Um, I ordered two Apple pencils. I'll get to why later
01:09:43 ◼ ► on. I accidentally put three in the cart and it wouldn't let me check out. Interesting. Well,
01:09:47 ◼ ► that's people are hoarding Apple pencils now. Yeah, I think that might be what it was. I, by the way,
01:09:51 ◼ ► I have lots of original Apple pencils for cheap now. Lots. Why do you have lots? Uh, every time
01:10:00 ◼ ► I review an iPad, I get an Apple pencil and it's like, I don't, I have an Apple pencil and they're
01:10:05 ◼ ► like, no, here's another Apple pencil. I'm like, I don't. Okay. Yes. Like, no, no, you don't
01:10:09 ◼ ► understand. Here's another one. It's like, I have so many. Come on. There's so, so many smart keyboard
01:10:15 ◼ ► folio. Oh boy. Okay. So we got sort of what we were looking for, but sort of not. So it's
01:10:21 ◼ ► not a bridge keyboard where it is a metallic, inflatable laptop thing. Exactly. What we got is
01:10:29 ◼ ► a, so it is that theory of what was going on in the back there was absolutely right. There is a
01:10:34 ◼ ► magnetic smart connector that's on the back. And I said last week, the only, you know, the only way
01:10:40 ◼ ► that makes sense for the smart keyboard is if it's going to be a, with a back cover like the old smart
01:10:45 ◼ ► cover was. And that's exactly what it is. It looks absolutely nothing like the roommate images,
01:10:51 ◼ ► right? No, it looks nice. It just looks like a smart connected with three prongs instead of five.
01:10:55 ◼ ► It's literally just three metallic dots on the back surface. That's all it is. There's no inset,
01:11:00 ◼ ► you know, nothing like that. It's just nothing. No, just three of the same place, right? Like
01:11:05 ◼ ► all of the, the, the, the, the leak temperatures are having at the top, but it's at the bottom.
01:11:09 ◼ ► Yeah. So it's, um, so that's interesting. It does mean that you're the way they reading between the
01:11:16 ◼ ► lines. I think what they're saying is, um, it was a little fiddly to get the smart connector right on
01:11:25 ◼ ► the edge of the iPad. And, uh, this way is much less fiddly because you're, you're snapping it on
01:11:33 ◼ ► the back. And I think the magnets are super strong, right? 106 magnets. There are lots of
01:11:37 ◼ ► magnets back there. All the great magnets and all the great magnets. They align it and hold it steady.
01:11:45 ◼ ► So it's providing some level of rigidity that is necessary stability for this thing. Cause we
01:11:50 ◼ ► always complain about how, um, it's a little bit flimsy. And then, uh, the front, when you fold it
01:11:56 ◼ ► out, um, you get these two above. It still doesn't have a function row, which I know there are no
01:12:01 ◼ ► function keys on the iPad, but there are, uh, media playback controls. Yeah. All third party
01:12:06 ◼ ► keyboards have some kind of function thing. Like you can do it, but right. So they still,
01:12:10 ◼ ► they still don't have that, which frustrates me because when I'm listening to music on my iPad,
01:12:14 ◼ ► for example, having a keyboard shortcut to make it pause is nice. And I don't, they still don't
01:12:19 ◼ ► do that. So, Oh, well, but they do have these two. So it used to be the way it worked was your, um,
01:12:26 ◼ ► the, the folding triangle thing happened. And that as part of that, you know, you get it set up
01:12:33 ◼ ► in that would be the angle. Um, and now when you open it up, you get this part that's, that's
01:12:39 ◼ ► behind where the keys are, that there are two little ridges or little divots. Um, and you can
01:12:45 ◼ ► put the iPad in either one. So it's essentially giving you two angles, which they say is sort of
01:12:50 ◼ ► like one is for your lap and one is on a table or whatever, but it's two angles. And, uh, you know,
01:12:56 ◼ ► I got to try it on a table, but my hope is that it's more, um, usable in a lap than the smart
01:13:06 ◼ ► keyboard is because it's not because it's a flat surface. Um, and then the iPad is up and the iPad
01:13:14 ◼ ► is resting on the flat surface instead of like a kickstand. It's so that whole rigid flat surface
01:13:20 ◼ ► of the keyboard is what goes on your lap. And then held by magnets, the iPad is an angle resting on
01:13:27 ◼ ► it. And so it should be much more stable than the smart cover keyboard smart. It's called the smart
01:13:34 ◼ ► keeper, you know, the one that was like a cover and this one is like a folio. And so it's different.
01:13:38 ◼ ► So, you know, I'm excited about that. I like that keyboard. I like the key style of it. It's going
01:13:42 ◼ ► to be way better on the 12.9 because this 1.9 dimensions are smaller. And that was the problem
01:13:47 ◼ ► with the 12.9 smart keyboard is just, it was such a load because it had to be the same size
01:13:52 ◼ ► as the whole iPad. Um, and so to shave off, you're not just shaving off size from the iPad,
01:14:02 ◼ ► I'm really optimistic about that. I am a little bit down on the fact that the 12.9 of this folio
01:14:07 ◼ ► keyboard thing is going to cost 200 bucks. Apple, Apple is not again, never bet on Apple charging
01:14:16 ◼ ► you less when they can charge you more. I'll point out that the bridge keyboard that you and I both
01:14:20 ◼ ► have and that Federico has that only costs 150 bucks. So, so this is, this is more expensive than
01:14:27 ◼ ► the metal external Bluetooth keyboard thing. Um, and you know, I don't know what bridge is going
01:14:33 ◼ ► to do because, uh, they have little clips that attached to the bezels. So I'm really not quite
01:14:37 ◼ ► sure what they're gonna, what they're going to do if they're going to be able to make a version of
01:14:40 ◼ ► their keyboard for these things. I guess we can assume it won't fit, right? Especially the 12.9 one.
01:14:45 ◼ ► 12.9 I don't see. I mean, short, short of the maybe making like a little bracket that goes in
01:14:50 ◼ ► there that you then rest the iPad in or something like that. But I don't know how they're going to
01:14:54 ◼ ► do it. I'm sure there's a way for them to figure it out and they will figure it out. Maybe they'll
01:14:57 ◼ ► even make a version of the keyboard that's got the little, you know, uh, yeah, who knows magnets,
01:15:04 ◼ ► magnets can fix things, right? The folio looks really great. I love the back and front cover.
01:15:08 ◼ ► I think it's going to look real nice. Things can feel real nice, but here's something that I'm a
01:15:12 ◼ ► bit bummed about. It doesn't have, it doesn't seem to do the thing where you can flip the keyboard
01:15:17 ◼ ► around and stand it up. It's like watch videos and stuff. You've always got to have the keyboard in
01:15:21 ◼ ► front of you. Like you can't, it doesn't look like this keyboard or this one could be flipped right
01:15:25 ◼ ► round again. And that's the bummer for me because it's probably going to mean that I end up buying
01:15:31 ◼ ► another thing like the cover because there's a good, the regular cover and one of those as well,
01:15:37 ◼ ► which is like another $80 because when I'm on planes and stuff, I like to be able to stand it
01:15:43 ◼ ► up and you can stand it up and you can still have tons of space on the tray in front of you.
01:15:50 ◼ ► the, the, I would expect the benefit of the adjustable angle is going to really be good
01:16:00 ◼ ► that Apple's doing some different stuff. I'm also very happy that you can buy the British English
01:16:05 ◼ ► version immediately. You don't have to wait for six months, uh, like they have done in the past.
01:16:09 ◼ ► Yay! You get your weird return key and everything. Great return key, all the great return keys. Um,
01:16:17 ◼ ► this is just such an amazing looking device. I'm so excited. I'm really excited for this whole thing.
01:16:32 ◼ ► And then we got to the iPad Pro and I was like, Oh boy. Like, it was, cause this is, cause honestly,
01:16:39 ◼ ► like I bought my Mac also, my Mac thirst is quenched. I bought an iMac Pro last December.
01:16:46 ◼ ► So I've got a really awesome Mac and I'm also using a first-generation 12.9 inch iPad Pro.
01:16:53 ◼ ► I'm ready for a new iPad Pro. I'm ready for what this is. So I'm, you know, that, that takes it up
01:16:58 ◼ ► a level too. Like I, I, this is my travel and in the house device, I use this when I'm not at my
01:17:04 ◼ ► desk and I'm going to get a new one that looks great. So have we covered everything? Do you feel
01:17:09 ◼ ► good about everything? And like we've gone through all the products that we wanted to talk about?
01:17:14 ◼ ► Yeah, I feel like it. I feel like, uh, I mean, I'm sure there's more to pick apart. I'm sure that
01:17:22 ◼ ► and interviews with Apple execs that maybe are happening now with people in the press who
01:17:27 ◼ ► they'll drop tidbits. And presumably at some point they'll be, you know, people doing product
01:17:32 ◼ ► previews or reviews or YouTube clips or who knows what Apple is going to do this time for the product
01:17:40 ◼ ► would be my expectation because we've got a week. So at least maybe not reviews, but like,
01:17:45 ◼ ► what would be the embargoed stuff? I mean, it's probably going to come on Monday or Tuesday of
01:17:52 ◼ ► Yeah. So more, more to talk about certainly. But I think for now, I think we've covered a lot of it.
01:18:01 ◼ ► Myke, which is I have the luxury of, um, of getting the review units oftentimes. And when
01:18:09 ◼ ► that happens, I, I get to try them, like get an extended trial period before I got to, I'm going
01:18:15 ◼ ► to buy it. I'm certainly going to buy an iPad pro. If you had asked me going into this event,
01:18:19 ◼ ► I would have said, I might try the smaller one, depending on how it feels. Now I feel almost
01:18:24 ◼ ► certain that I will buy the 12.9 because it's smaller and still has that beautiful big screen.
01:18:29 ◼ ► Oh, I didn't even mention the T the, so the 11 inch that's a different because they just
01:18:44 ◼ ► cause they've got like, uh, uh, like content safe areas and all that apps need to be updated.
01:18:57 ◼ ► on the iPad 11 and it had black bars on the sides. And I was like, Hmm, aha, interesting. So there
01:19:03 ◼ ► will be a period of adjustment for app developers too. But there's a frustrating thing that was
01:19:08 ◼ ► pointed out to me by John Voorhees cause he's been watching some of the developer videos that
01:19:12 ◼ ► they've been showing. If you have an updated app with 12.1 SDK and a non updated app running
01:19:18 ◼ ► side by side, it forces them both into a like site like non updated mode. So they both go into
01:19:25 ◼ ► compatibility mode. So they level out. So like Google's going to ruin everything for a while.
01:19:38 ◼ ► certainly buy a Mac mini because my Mac mini has the spontaneous question mark that happens where
01:19:43 ◼ ► it, I have to turn it off. I have to turn it off and on cause it's like, Oh, I forgot what I am.
01:19:48 ◼ ► Like your computer. Hello, wake up. And then you, you, you flip the power off and on and it comes,
01:19:53 ◼ ► what is a computer? Tim Cook says the iPad is a computer. So I don't even know what's going on
01:19:57 ◼ ► there. Um, so, uh, I'm going to get those and, um, Mac book air, you know, I don't use a Mac
01:20:06 ◼ ► laptop very much anymore. I do have an old Mac book air. My son who is a freshman in high school is
01:20:12 ◼ ► using a very old Mac book air of mine. Um, I hand me down from many, many, many years before, uh,
01:20:20 ◼ ► 11 inch and it's a miracle. The thing still works and that it runs anything quite honestly. So is it
01:20:28 ◼ ► possible that I might end up getting him this Mac book air at some point? Um, yes, it is possible.
01:20:35 ◼ ► It is possible. So I may end up buying all of it. Myke is what I'm saying. And that is terrifying,
01:20:40 ◼ ► but Hey, uh, it happens. I haven't bought any of those things in a long time. Uh, I've ordered
01:20:45 ◼ ► both iPad pros to smart keyboards and two Apple pencils. Whew. Wow. Yeah. I've been, I've been
01:20:51 ◼ ► saving for this. Like I've been waiting for this since June, right? Like I've been, I've been
01:20:55 ◼ ► putting the money aside and these are my computers and I don't know if I will keep both. I expect
01:21:02 ◼ ► that I will honestly, um, because I use them both for the very distinct purposes. Like my 10.5 is
01:21:07 ◼ ► with me now. My 12.9 is at home when I get home, I'll be using the 12.9 and I've been starting to
01:21:12 ◼ ► use the 10.5 for reading and looking at stuff in bed and stuff like that. So I have like real
01:21:18 ◼ ► distinct uses for both of these machines. Um, and I am absolutely thrilled to be able to get my hands
01:21:24 ◼ ► on them. I love doing in-store pickup and you can't order them for in-store pickup right now.
01:21:30 ◼ ► So I've had to order them for home, which I hate because then they never delivers and it's just
01:21:35 ◼ ► like a whole big thing. So, you know, yeah. Fingers crossed, I guess for me. Yeah. I'm,
01:21:41 ◼ ► I'm, I'm looking forward to trying it out, uh, and seeing about the sizes too. Cause that's really,
01:21:45 ◼ ► that we, we, we have our gut feeling here, but it is like the ones getting bigger and the ones
01:21:49 ◼ ► getting smaller. And so how different are they? Uh, in the end, I think there will still be some
01:21:54 ◼ ► distinct differences, but we'll just have to see. Yeah. I'm really, really, really excited. And I'm
01:21:58 ◼ ► so excited to play around with that Apple Pencil. Boy. Oh boy. I can't wait to get my hands on that
01:22:02 ◼ ► thing. It looks to be honestly, Jason, this is going to change how I use the Apple Pencil,
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01:24:11 ◼ ► - I have an item that we can put in the show notes, which is a tweet from my friend Andy Anotko.
01:24:17 ◼ ► If you'd like a picture of me trying out the 12.9, you may see it there. That is literally
01:24:26 ◼ ► what I'm doing. And I did notice that the waiting line was right below me and I was like, okay,
01:24:30 ◼ ► I better make this step here. But yeah, the lady to the left there is like trying to do an AR demo.
01:24:37 ◼ ► And I'm literally like, yes, why don't you let me hold it and look at the AR image? Because I don't
01:25:05 ◼ ► - That's well, so we were waiting for a standard 12.9 demo and I had somebody come up to me and say,
01:25:11 ◼ ► an Apple person say, there are 12.9s back here with the AR demos. You could look at those. And
01:25:20 ◼ ► those people had been trained to do their spiel about AR and it was like, I really don't care.
01:25:26 ◼ ► And I didn't say this. I was like, yeah, could I try it? And then it was like, yeah, let me,
01:25:29 ◼ ► whoa, look, I'm moving it around while also holding it and feeling what it was like. So
01:25:35 ◼ ► like, yep, that's a fun, fun thing. Thank you to Andy for spotting me having fun while he was just
01:25:41 ◼ ► waiting in a line. I feel bad about that part. - We have some hashtag ask upgrade to get to.
01:25:52 ◼ ► new iPads have tapped to raise to wake? Like you can tap on the screen or pick them up to wake them
01:25:57 ◼ ► now that there's no home button. They do. I don't know if you saw this, but I read it in the
01:26:02 ◼ ► documents. - I didn't do the tap to like raise to wake, but I did the tap. Just, I did it completely
01:26:10 ◼ ► instinctually because it's an iPhone 10 gesture and I went tap and it was like, aha, yes, that
01:26:16 ◼ ► totally worked. That was, yeah, absolutely. It is, these are like big, I would say big iPhone 10,
01:26:22 ◼ ► tens, but it's like probably like really giant iPhone 10 hours kind of, right? Because it's the
01:26:27 ◼ ► LCD screen and there's no notch, but there is like all those kinds of iPad, all the iPhone 10
01:26:32 ◼ ► gestures that we complained were kind of like inconsistent between that and the iPad. They're
01:26:36 ◼ ► all consistent now. - That's really great. That's just gonna make it easier to move between devices,
01:26:42 ◼ ► I think. And the tap to wake one is just, it's just a really great gesture that I enjoy anyway.
01:26:53 ◼ ► Pro hasn't made the jump to OLED yet, does it look noticeably different than your OLED phone?
01:27:02 ◼ ► - I'll talk about that next week, by the way, just so people know, like the iPhone 10R,
01:27:06 ◼ ► Jason has one and has reviewed it. And I think that's gonna be a real good topic for next week,
01:27:12 ◼ ► but yeah, we can talk about it a little now too. - Yeah, it just, I wanted to point out that,
01:27:17 ◼ ► you know, until last year, all the iPhones were just LCD displays, not OLEDs. And it was fine.
01:27:28 ◼ ► Right. And so, no, that's my answer is, will I notice that the blacks aren't as black as on
01:27:33 ◼ ► my iPhone? Yes, but I don't use my iPhone for the same things I use my iPad for. And I don't really
01:27:40 ◼ ► notice it that much now when I have the current, you know, the last generation iPad and the iPhone
01:27:46 ◼ ► 10. So I don't think it's a big deal. - Our next question comes from Alex and Alex wants to know,
01:27:51 ◼ ► is the new Apple Pencil and or its new features compatible with older iPad Pros or the current
01:27:56 ◼ ► iPad? The answer is no. I looked this up earlier. This new Apple Pencil is just for the third
01:28:03 ◼ ► generation iPad Pros and Apple are still selling the previous version of the Apple Pencil for
01:28:10 ◼ ► the 10.5 inch and the regular iPad. So there's two different Apple pencils available right now.
01:28:14 ◼ ► - And they didn't say anything. I am assuming that the Logitech Crayon doesn't work with these
01:28:18 ◼ ► either, but I don't know. - Yeah, 'cause this is the thing, they haven't really said how they pair.
01:28:23 ◼ ► They just said they pair automatically. - Well, they pair when you attach it magnetically. That's
01:28:28 ◼ ► how they pair. - That's how it's doing. - It's that simple. You literally snap it on and if it
01:28:31 ◼ ► hasn't been paired yet, it slides down a thing that says, oh, here's a new Apple Pencil. Would
01:28:35 ◼ ► you like to pair it? And you say yes and that's it. - But like what is the underlying technology?
01:28:42 ◼ ► will that automatically switch between iPads? Like this is stuff we don't know yet. So that would be
01:28:49 ◼ ► like, oh, well, that's not the Bluetooth anymore probably. I don't like something else. So we'll
01:28:52 ◼ ► wait and see on that one. Christopher wants to know, Jason, what are your thoughts on the squared
01:28:55 ◼ ► off edges of the new iPad? Like, is it comfortable for you to hold? Are you excited about balancing
01:29:00 ◼ ► it on tables? Like what do you think? - I love it. I love the feel of it. Like I said, going from
01:29:05 ◼ ► curved to flat, it is, they feel good. I like the flat edges. I like the look of it. I think they
01:29:13 ◼ ► look really good. It does hearken back to the original iPad, which had the flat edges. It
01:29:16 ◼ ► hearkens back to the iPhone 5 style design, which is a good design, I think. And yeah, I just, I
01:29:23 ◼ ► mean, everybody can have their own opinion about it. It's kind of purely aesthetic, I guess, unless
01:29:28 ◼ ► you, they felt good to hold. Like they look good. They felt good. I liked them. I liked that it's,
01:29:34 ◼ ► you know, it's good for me. I'm quite happy with it. Then again, I also only held them for
01:29:41 ◼ ► short periods of time. So if there's an issue where it's not as good when you hold it for,
01:29:46 ◼ ► you know, an hour, then I don't know that part yet. - Yeah. We'll wait and see. So I like the
01:29:54 ◼ ► design. I like it. I think it looks really fancy. I like when you have something you use all the
01:30:00 ◼ ► time and then it changes ever so slightly. So it feels new, right? Like, and that's going to make
01:30:05 ◼ ► it feel and look really new is these new edges. I think it's going to be really cool. Giles wants
01:30:10 ◼ ► to know what the MacBook Air keyboard feels like. I don't know if you'd had much time with the third
01:30:16 ◼ ► generation one on, I don't remember. - I typed on this and I typed on, I used the third. I don't
01:30:23 ◼ ► know if I've used the third. I used the second generation, which my understanding is pretty
01:30:27 ◼ ► similar. And of course the first generation on the original MacBook. And the answer is, you know,
01:30:32 ◼ ► that's what it is. It's, you know, these keyboards, these butterfly keyboards, that's what it is
01:30:37 ◼ ► that, you know, love it or hate it. That's what it is. - Nick wants to know, how do you feel about
01:30:43 ◼ ► the camera bump on the iPad? So the camera, we didn't even mention this by the way, it's a really
01:30:48 ◼ ► good camera. It has like smart HDR. It has everything. So it's a pretty powerful camera
01:30:53 ◼ ► system going into this, but it has introduced an iPhone 10R like bump on the back, right? They look
01:30:59 ◼ ► very similar actually. How do you feel about it? - Wasn't there a camera bump on the iPad before?
01:31:06 ◼ ► - There is, but I think it's a little bit, I think it looks a little bit more pronounced if it is or
01:31:11 ◼ ► it isn't, but I just wondered if you had any thoughts about it. - I have no opinion about it really.
01:31:15 ◼ ► I don't think it's a big deal. I very rarely am using my iPad flat on a table. And I usually have
01:31:24 ◼ ► it in a case anyway, but I very rarely have it flat on the table. So I don't really think I care.
01:31:29 ◼ ► I will tell you sometimes I am sitting somewhere with my iPad and I want to take a photo immediately
01:31:34 ◼ ► and I am always disappointed with how bad the iPad camera is. So I'm excited that the iPad camera
01:31:40 ◼ ► got such a big update. And by the way, on the front facing camera, since it's got the whole
01:31:46 ◼ ► touch ID stuff, face ID, I mean not touch ID, the whole face ID stuff in that sensor bar,
01:31:52 ◼ ► there's a portrait mode. There's a portrait selfie mode that you can enter in the camera app. And
01:32:14 ◼ ► - I don't know why it wouldn't, right? Have Animoji and Memoji because it's got all the stuff. Yeah.
01:32:24 ◼ ► but it can't do Animoji in every orientation or something like that. They definitely didn't
01:32:33 ◼ ► - I saw Matthew Panzorino on Twitter because somebody asked him and he posted a little video
01:32:38 ◼ ► of like, if you put the iPad flat and using a pencil, does it rock? And it doesn't. It seems
01:32:44 ◼ ► to stay pretty stable. One of the other things is honestly, I'm going to use it with the folio on
01:32:53 ◼ ► if you use it like that, which I think is really the primary way to use the iPad Pros are in with
01:32:59 ◼ ► the keyboard. I know it's more expensive, but it really does feel like the way the device is
01:33:04 ◼ ► designed to be used, you never even notice the bump. And lastly today, Eugene wants to know,
01:33:09 ◼ ► do we think that there are enough magnets to actually attach and hold an iPad Pro to a fridge?
01:33:23 ◼ ► - We may not experiment with that ourselves. I do wonder if we will see some accessories
01:33:36 ◼ ► - My expectation is the new smart connector placement and all these magnets in theory will
01:33:42 ◼ ► make it easier to make stuff for it. But I guess we will have to just wait and see if anybody bothers
01:33:47 ◼ ► again. Because we still don't know if the reason there hasn't been smart connector accessories were
01:33:57 ◼ ► - I think the bottom line is that in the grand scheme of things, there aren't that many iPad Pros
01:34:03 ◼ ► sold. And there are two different sizes of them now. They're even newer sizes of them now.
01:34:09 ◼ ► - And yeah, you make an iPhone case and you can sell a million of them. You make an iPad Pro 12.9
01:34:20 ◼ ► - Well, this was an unexpected in some instances event. There were absolutely no concrete
01:34:31 ◼ ► - No leaks. We talked to an Apple PR person. We're like, no leaks. And they're like, yeah,
01:34:34 ◼ ► that's right. That's right. They did it. They managed to do it. Yeah. No, it's surprising.
01:35:02 ◼ ► - Oh my goodness. I would have just laughed and said that the odds of that happening are zero.
01:35:14 ◼ ► As we were surprised by the rumor that Ming-Chi Kuo suggests that there might be an update to
01:35:23 ◼ ► shout outs on stage today. I mean, nothing happened to it, but they referenced its existence.
01:35:57 ◼ ► Manhattan, the Stitcher and Midroll Studio complex, the Lex Friedman empire. So thanks to them for
01:36:06 ◼ ► hosting me today. I needed somewhere to go and there was like, will I go back to my hotel room,
01:36:12 ◼ ► which I've checked out of or like, how's it gonna work? And this, and Lex swept in and said,
01:36:16 ◼ ► I've got a space for you. So thanks to Lex and everybody at Stitcher for being very nice and
01:36:25 ◼ ► staying in Toronto for an extra day. - Thanks to Myke for delaying his flight by a day.
01:36:41 ◼ ► Federico Vitigi is gonna fly home and it's gonna be super weird. He's gonna get home. He'll be
01:36:47 ◼ ► there a couple of hours. I'm still in Canada. We're all over the place right now. Apple is
01:36:56 ◼ ► very exciting event. I loved it and I love the products that were announced. There's a lot of
01:37:00 ◼ ► really, really great stuff that I'm very excited to talk about over the next few weeks. We will be
01:37:06 ◼ ► back next week and we're excited for that. Probably you can expect some iPhone XR discussion
01:37:11 ◼ ► next week along with I guess some more fallout of the event where we learn more as we always do over
01:37:17 ◼ ► the next few days. You can find show notes for this episode in your podcast player of choice or
01:37:22 ◼ ► over at relay.fm/upgrade/217. I want to extend our thanks again to Luna Display, PDF Pen and
01:37:29 ◼ ► HelloFresh for supporting this episode. You can find Jason online at sixcolors.com. I'm sure you
01:37:34 ◼ ► can expect lots of great words to be written there, which will supplement the stuff that
01:37:39 ◼ ► we've spoken about today. So go check that out. Jason is also on Twitter. He's @Jsonel.
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