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0:00:08From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 210. Today's show is brought to you by our friends over at
0:00:16Simple Contact's Molecule and RXBar. My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by Jason Snell. Hello, Jason Snell.
0:00:22Hello, Myke Hurley. Today is the big day. It is. It is and has been the September event, the iPhone
0:00:29event day and we have a lot to get to, but we must start this show as we start every show with
0:00:36a #SnellTalkQuestion, a question from our audience to kick off this week's show. And this week it
0:00:42comes from Rick and Rick wants to know, Jason, what were the best snacks at Apple's event this morning?
0:00:46Rick, let me tell you, here's a pro tip. At the new Apple Park Steve Jobs Theatre space, the bathroom
0:00:56access is poor. So you can go to the bathroom when you park because you park beneath the
0:01:03visitor center. There is a bathroom in the weird entry, bureau of interchange entryway there,
0:01:11but there's only like, those are singles, so that's really bad. They actually warn you when
0:01:15you park, they're like, "If you need to use the bathroom, use it now." And then the other bathrooms
0:01:19are in the theater, but they're in the theater after you go downstairs, after they start to seat
0:01:24everybody. So you've got to then have somebody save your seat while you go and hope that you
0:01:29can come back. What I'm saying is, I have a pretty strict no food and no, especially no drink, but
0:01:37also no food policy for these things. I ate a little breakfast before I left here at 6.45 in
0:01:44the morning and then that got me through until after the event when I had some lunch. They did
0:01:48have some food and stuff there, but I have no comment on the snacks, but at least now you know,
0:01:52the huge design flaw of the Steve Jobs Theater, which is when you have people waiting outside
0:01:58before the event, there's no bathroom because the bathroom is hidden down below.
0:02:02- I did see a lot of Instagram stories today of a smoked salmon and avocado tartlet
0:02:10that people kept taking pictures of. - I guess great, good for those who like that sort of thing.
0:02:16Fantastic. I don't like salmon, so it would not have been, but I have no idea. I didn't even look.
0:02:21They had a little place, a little kiosk back sort of behind the... So the entrance to the Steve Jobs
0:02:27Theater is this round glass thing. It's like a round glass wall and then you go in and there's a
0:02:34place where people can stand, but there's no furniture or anything. And then there are two
0:02:39circular staircases down because the whole entryway is like a giant circular... It's like a
0:02:45tube that they've built levels on. And at the back of that was where the food was, but I didn't.
0:02:52Yeah, and it was sunny and hot and we were just chatting outside. That's how I spent the morning,
0:02:57was just chatting with a bunch of people, Matthew Pansarino, John Gruber, who else was there,
0:03:02Dan Frakes, a bunch of people. So I got to see Renee Ritchie, got to see Serenity Caldwell briefly,
0:03:08but of course I think she would deny it because she has to deny everything now that she works at
0:03:13Apple. But she was there. I was missing her because she's the person that I usually always
0:03:19meet up with at the event and they're like, "Hey, how's it going?" And I was like, "I said to Renee,
0:03:22there's no Serenity." And then she appeared, which was pretty awesome. So yeah, anyway,
0:03:27it is funny too. They mobilize an army for these events. They shut down the street,
0:03:32Tantao Avenue outside was shut down today. If you looked in the Maps app, because I did, I wanted to
0:03:40check traffic. So I just said, "What directions to the Apple Visitor Center?" And I noticed that
0:03:45the Apple Visitor Center metadata said, "Close today," because they closed it up for the event.
0:03:51And then there's just an army of people telling you where to go and where not to go and go up the
0:03:55hill. And they're all very friendly. They're friendly Apple people directing traffic and all
0:03:59of that. But it is quite a logistics thing to put on one of these events, which is why I always
0:04:05thought they probably won't do another one, right? And now I'm thinking, "Maybe they're good at it."
0:04:10So last week we did our draft. Oh, thank you to Rick, by the way, for sending in that #snelltalk
0:04:16question. So last week we did our draft and we picked up predictions for what we think might
0:04:21happen. And you crushed me, Snell. You crushed me. I've scored it at seven to three. I can run
0:04:31through real quick. You got watch bands, you got lower end notch iPhone to have color options,
0:04:38updates to iOS. You got a game demo, updates to watchOS, LCD iPhone less than 999, and Apple
0:04:46Watch 4 thinner than series three. So that's seven points for you out of a possible 10.
0:04:51I got larger screen, OLED phone, 1099 or higher. I got an AR app demo and no new iPads.
0:05:00Tim Cook personally screwed me over within the last five minutes.
0:05:03You lost two points in the last five minutes of the show. That was the thing. So I was sitting
0:05:08there. I am going to admit I had Zach Knox's webpage open on my iPad while I was at the event.
0:05:15Yep. Zach Knox created an incredible interactive scorecard, which I'll put again in the show notes.
0:05:21The pacing of this event was slow enough that I had time to score the draft as we went,
0:05:26because it was a slower paced event. But I'm sitting there looking at these things I haven't
0:05:31touched because I can't touch them until the end, which was like the Mojave not mentioned on stage,
0:05:36Mac not mentioned on stage. And it was a really funny thing because we get to the end of the
0:05:42whole thing, because we're not going to take this chronologically. We're going to jump around and
0:05:45prioritize this. The end when they're done, like they're literally, and that's the Tim Cook is
0:05:51back. He's like the iPhone and the Apple watch. That's what this event has all been about. And
0:05:56then he was like, now I want to mention the HomePod and Mojave. And that was boom.
0:06:04So I'm really bummed out about this because I, because like my problem was I knew, I knew it was
0:06:10over for me by like Thursday because a bunch of things started coming out. Like the naming of
0:06:18products started leaking out. Right. And then I knew I was done because I had two points wrapped
0:06:22in on product naming. Right. Like, so I knew I wasn't going to get it. Um, so it was a shame.
0:06:27I really wanted to win, but you have again for the third consecutive time taken the win for the
0:06:34September event, um, as it stands right now, Jason cannot lose this year. At worst, he will tie.
0:06:42If there's going to be one more event because we now stand at March events, Jason's WWDC was mine
0:06:48and the September event was now Jason. So congratulations, Jason's now, you know,
0:06:53thank you. I really didn't want to get beaten in the way that I got beat, which was really badly,
0:06:57but I kind of feel like if I'm going to get beat, I don't want it to be like a one point thing.
0:07:02I want it to be like you twice the amount of points. I'm glad you feel better about that.
0:07:08We're going to be fighting about like, Oh, what about the AirPods thing? Right. Because like an
0:07:12airpods thing, you know, whatever is changing the focal length of portrait mode. Really a new iOS
0:07:16feature. We don't need to quibble about it. You won. You did it. I'm glad you picked AR
0:07:20app demo and not, and didn't, I didn't say AR games don't count because it was an AR game,
0:07:26but there was, I was in the demo section. I was like, Oh, okay. That one's for me. Oh,
0:07:30Oh, there's mics. It was pretty good. Maybe there'll be another chance. Maybe I can at
0:07:35least bring it up to a tie for the year. We'll find out. So we should actually get to that.
0:07:38Let's talk about what was missing from this event today. So I think it is not too surprising. I
0:07:47wrote a piece yesterday on six colors where I said, you know, logically I got to say there's
0:07:53no iPads and no Macs at this event because there've been no leaks about them. Like there
0:07:56have been general leaks, but like the detailed leaks that are about the event, the stuff that
0:08:00we've been listening to since, uh, August 28th, I think when that first, uh, Garram Rambo,
0:08:07where he just guessed the string of the URL of images on Apple's website, um, all of that stuff
0:08:13included Mac or included iPhones and watches, but nothing else. And so that really should have been,
0:08:20that was the strongest signal. And what I wrote was, but I'm still hoping, you know,
0:08:24it's the wish casting thing. It's the same reason I picked the iPads and the low cost Mac book is
0:08:27a kind of like, I want that to be there. And I thought it was less likely that Apple would do two
0:08:34two events, but I have a hard time believing that Apple is going to do a brand new completely
0:08:37redesigned iPad pro and a new Mac laptop and not build an event around it. So they didn't get
0:08:47mentioned. So I think I, I would guess that there will be a late October event, but we'll have to
0:08:52see, maybe they'll do something different. I mean, they did the Chicago event, right? So they could
0:08:56do something very different if they wanted to, or they could just invite everybody back to the, uh,
0:09:01the Steve Jobs theater to talk about, you know, something about the future of computing and,
0:09:06and something like that. And just, and literally just say, there's more, I actually think it's good
0:09:12for us as people who think about this stuff and it may be even good for everybody who uses Apple
0:09:18stuff and pays attention to have Apple spread it out a little bit. I don't think it does anybody
0:09:22any benefit, including the other products to get loaded into September. Yeah. Yeah.
0:09:27But when I have a broken iPad, I want the products, you know, sooner rather than later. So I'm going
0:09:32to take a guess here. I reckon the event's going to be on October 16th because the, uh, iPhone
0:09:4110R ships on the 26th. So I reckon they will have more products to ship on that day. Um,
0:09:49so they would do a week, an event a week beforehand, have pre-orders on the end of that
0:09:53week. That will be if I was going to like pluck a day out of the year, that's when I would, uh,
0:09:57pick that for a month from now. And the only question is like the turnaround, like, can they
0:10:02put together a whole other keynote presentation in, in four weeks? And do they want to do that?
0:10:07Traditionally in the past, it's been more like six weeks, but at least some of that stuff could have
0:10:11been in the presentation up until like a month ago. Right. So like, you know, there is a version
0:10:16of a presentation which has iPads in it and they just decided to hold them or whatever. We don't
0:10:20know, but we'll see. We'll see. Um, there was no mention of air power or anything related to,
0:10:27uh, Qi charging for the AirPods. Funnily enough, Apple didn't even mention Qi charging on the new
0:10:33phones at all. Yeah, they, it was a bullet point in a slide. So if we had drafted it,
0:10:39it would have counted, but it was never spoken. They never talked about how convenient and great
0:10:44wireless charging is. They did that last year. This year, it's just a bullet point on the slide.
0:10:49And now it is, we'll get into it, but it is on all of them. That was a question people had just like,
0:10:55well, will the, will the lower cost phone be, uh, you know, we'll have like an aluminum back and all
0:11:01that. And the answer is no, it has a glass back and it does wireless charging. It is, it is in
0:11:05most ways, the exact same phone as the other, as the other iPhones that were announced today.
0:11:11It is very possible that that product is gone. The air power. We will just not see it.
0:11:16Oh yeah. Yeah. Has it, has it been disappeared? It's possible.
0:11:20It's not on the website anymore, except on the AirPods page.
0:11:24Yeah. And no AirPods update. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was surprised
0:11:30about that one. I thought that it would do something, but, but yeah, it seems that, uh,
0:11:34it is unknown. There's a lot of unknown about air power right now, which is very peculiar.
0:11:40It maybe seems like maybe Apple bit off a little bit more than they could chew on that one is what
0:11:45I'm going to say. All right. So, uh, let me give you some little pieces of information.
0:11:49We've got a couple of little bits, a couple of things that have happened since the event
0:11:52before we dig into the iPhones. I can't wait to hear this because of course I went to the
0:11:56event and then I drove home. And so I don't know anything. And I, I didn't even check
0:12:01Twitter or anything. I have no idea what people have been talking about for the last hour and a
0:12:05half that where they gleaned things from the website or from people who are reporting from
0:12:10the scene, who got some sort of a tidbit that I did not get. So tell me, Myke, what happened
0:12:14at the event I just went to that I missed? Well, there are lots of little details that
0:12:18we'll talk about throughout the rest of the episode, but a couple right up front. So the
0:12:21iPhone SE and the iPhone 10, they are no longer sold. Um, and Apple's website states that they
0:12:27will be available authorized resellers. So yeah, that's, that's, they're in the chain,
0:12:32but they're no longer being sold direct from Apple. And then they will presumably just die.
0:12:36There is a more expensive version of Apple care in the U S called Apple care theft and loss. Now
0:12:41where you get up to two years of technical support and hardware coverage plus accidental damage
0:12:46coverage, theft coverage and loss coverage. Right. This answers the question of like, well,
0:12:50why do I pay for Apple care if you won't cover my damage or you won't cover if my phone gets stolen?
0:12:56And the answer is, well, we got a new level of Apple care for that. Now it's really great for
0:12:59a services company to have a more expensive version of another service that they do because
0:13:03you can buy it with and without theft and loss. This is another way for Apple to throw an extra
0:13:08hundred dollars or two onto the top of an iPhone sale. Um, there is a home pod software update
0:13:14that will be shipping next week. We'll brings with it finally, multiple timer support, um,
0:13:19and also phone calls and find my iPhone and they called out, uh, official support for, uh,
0:13:25shortcuts as well. That was nice. That is nice. Yeah. iOS and watchOS will be shipping on Monday.
0:13:31So they're going to be shipping on the 17th and Mojave will be shipping on the 24th. Right. Right.
0:13:40And our last minute surprise announcement of Mojave exists. It will be out a week from Monday.
0:13:46I guess the other thing to mention is the other phone that seems to have died is the iPhone 6,
0:13:50right? Or 6S. The 6S is gone as well. Yeah. That one. And it's that, that's not as, as surprising
0:13:56that the seven, you know, they, they keep on going down stair stepping over time. So like the seven
0:14:01and the eight are still there because the eight is now a previous year model. The seven is pushed
0:14:06down to an even more previous year model. And then the 6S falls off the bottom. Yeah. That one,
0:14:11I think everyone would have actually expected, but the SE is really interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
0:14:17Getting rid of the 10 is a big surprise, but when we talk about the lineup, I think it kind of makes
0:14:22sense when you look at it now. Yeah, I agree. I, I, that was my theory all along with the name.
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0:17:06So let's start with the iPhone, shall we? Um, I want to, I want to kick off talking about the
0:17:12product naming. This has been a thing that we've been focusing on a lot recently. Um, there have
0:17:17been a lot of avenues that we thought Apple could go down and I would probably hazard a guess to say
0:17:22that the avenue they ended up going down is one that I don't think either of us would have expected.
0:17:26We have the iPhone 10s, the iPhone 10s Max and the iPhone 10 R. Now these are the names. How do you
0:17:36feel about them? Oh boy. Um, I don't, I don't love them. I get what, I get what they're doing. Here's,
0:17:44here's the thing. Here's it. It's like I have to settle down. This is like, um, Princess bride.
0:17:52It's like, uh, let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up. I think what this suggests
0:18:00is that last year when they decided what to name this thing, they weren't thinking ahead
0:18:08because the big problem is not tacking an S on right. They've been doing that for ages.
0:18:16They've been doing that since the iPhone three GS where they famously styled it one way and then
0:18:21styled it a different way. And we asked Phil Schiller what it stood for and he said it stood
0:18:24for speed. And then they said it didn't stand for anything, but they had already said it stood for
0:18:29speed. Who knows? Right. But S has been like the half marker for the iPhone. Okay. That's fine.
0:18:37But when they decided to use the Roman numeral for the iPhone 10, they were getting in really shaky
0:18:41ground because what you're doing is you're asking people to read the first letter they see as a
0:18:45Roman numeral and the second letter they see as a letter and that is not good right now they're
0:18:52styling it. I noticed very much in the classic Apple S iPhone style where it's smaller and in a
0:18:59box, which I think I mentioned last week might have been like, well, this is probably what they'll
0:19:04do is they'll have the little box which of course we don't get to use the little box. We just have
0:19:08to type it. And so you end up being like, should there be a space? Should there not? I think there
0:19:12needs to be a space because otherwise it is very clearly like the iPhone XS. Whereas if you leave
0:19:19the space, maybe there's space for your brain to flip over between 10 and 10 S. So that's weird.
0:19:23Going from plus to max is also a little bit weird. Although I did notice the Droid Max,
0:19:29which is a phone that actually existed had two Xs. Apple showing a great deal of restraint here.
0:19:34Just the one X. They went with three Xs and a triple X. There is already an X with the 10,
0:19:40right? So technically there were two Xs in that name, but they're not together. So that's good.
0:19:45And then there's the R which do we know what it stands for? Does it stand for anything?
0:19:51It's really cool. I can't get my head around the R. I cannot get my head around 10 R. And here's
0:19:56the thing, Jason. I had to give, I had to really work hard to not say X, right? iPhone X. Like I
0:20:03had to work really hard on that. I know I'm going to fail with this because you're putting two
0:20:08letters next to each other. Like I can't help it. When I see it, I see XS Max and XR and like
0:20:14Apple's website is all over the place because where they can, they use that little box,
0:20:18but where they can't, they just have a capital letter next to the other one.
0:20:22It's it is in a special like span tag or something. It's super weird. Um, and, and again,
0:20:27it would be solved if they had just not used the Roman numeral, right? Yeah. 10 S with one zero
0:20:33spelled out. Not, not a problem to say 10 S like, Oh, I get it. The iPhone 10 S like the, like the,
0:20:38like the success. I get it. But instead it's the X 10. I mean, like they could have just decided
0:20:46to call it the iPhone X like and gotten off numbers and gone to the letters. They could
0:20:50have done that too. Right. But they didn't do that. So not thinking ahead. What they've done
0:20:54is pick the two worst options really. Um, and I will say I don't like Max. I know you prefer
0:21:02iPads. This is the, this is part of the problem for me. Oh, you mean Max, not Max. Cause Apple
0:21:07makes Max and now they also make Max. I think it is really peculiar for a company that makes a
0:21:12product called the Mac to release a phone. That's got the word max at the end. Like it just,
0:21:17it almost feels like nobody said it out loud. It's very peculiar, but like, okay. So the idea of Max,
0:21:23just in the thought of, Oh, I'll just call my phone. Max is kind of cute, right? My phone has
0:21:28a name now. My phone's name is max, but I don't, I, I, I feel like that these names are very
0:21:34peculiar. I cannot fathom are, I don't know what, like, because it comes before S, but that doesn't
0:21:42make any sense, right? Because I'm very, I find it all very peculiar, but this is, this is, I mean,
0:21:49any long time Apple fan will know they make sometimes seemingly very peculiar decisions
0:21:55with their marketing, but Apple's marketing on the whole is very good. So you kind of got to give them
0:22:00the benefit of the doubt. It feels weird right now, but in two months time, we'll be very used
0:22:06to it. And then it's not going to be a thing anymore. And we're going to, you know, I will call
0:22:12the 10 S max, just we all will just call it the max. It will be the max, right? Like plus, um,
0:22:18and 10 R. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't, we'll 10 S 10 R we'll just have to get
0:22:24used to it. Um, yeah, we will. And we will, you're right. We will get used to it. It's just, I, I find
0:22:28the, the mental disconnect of having the Roman numeral followed by the other letter. Cause I
0:22:34don't have a problem with them saying this is the iPhone 10 line and there's three phones in it.
0:22:38Right. Uh, although I would say there then, you know, it is a little bit weird that it's the 10 S
0:22:43and the 10 S max, but okay. That's like two. How many things are you going to stack on the end
0:22:48there? Could the 10 S max have been something different? 10 R like the iPhone five C is like,
0:22:54it's just, it's a different kind of iPhone 10. Like, okay, I guess I can get behind that.
0:22:58It's more just the disconnect of when you, when you hear it, it doesn't sound as bad as when you
0:23:02read it. And I was already in the same camp where when I read iPhone 10, I generally say
0:23:10X in my head, like, right. I don't, I never converted to just saying thinking 10, I always
0:23:17think X and then try for podcasts to say 10, right. This just makes it that much worse. So
0:23:24I don't know. I think they painted themselves as in a corner. I think that that's the, that's the,
0:23:28the end story here. I fear for the next year. I don't even, well, I mean, I, at this point,
0:23:33the good news, Myke, the good news is next year, spinal tap is back on the table. Yeah. So
0:23:38sure is. All right. Let's talk about the tennis and the tennis max. Do you consider these to be
0:23:46standard S revision phones? Like, so they've got all of the things you'd presume they have faster
0:23:51processes, better cameras, face ID is faster. There's more storage five talking about storage
0:23:56and as a new color. Yeah. But there isn't like a thing like there has been touch ID or 3d touch
0:24:04or, you know, like these or like, um, video recording right from the three GS. No, it feels
0:24:11very much like the, the feature that they're using to key. Cause this is, I mean, this is what you're
0:24:16asking, right? It's like, what is that feature that you're like, aha, it's not just faster processor.
0:24:21It's also this other feature. And it feels to me like the feature in this is primarily other than
0:24:30the, you know, the camera update. Sure. It's, it's better, but, um, it's the neural engine in the
0:24:36processor. So it's part of the processor and that they're using, they're saying, you know, it's,
0:24:40they went from two cores to eight cores or whatever. And very much the presentation is
0:24:45trying to say, there are huge numbers of things that these phones can do because they
0:24:51would, the having that more advanced neural engine allowed them to unlock all of this machine learning
0:24:57stuff that they couldn't do before because they couldn't do it fast enough. And so the argument,
0:25:01and I'm not saying I entirely believe it because in the end it is kind of a it's faster. So it does
0:25:06different stuff that we couldn't do before. In fact, that game demo, all those demos, the three
0:25:10app demos where they were all walking this really fine line where it's like, it's very clear that
0:25:15their apps are going to be available for all iPhones. Right. But they had been told to kind of
0:25:20punch up why the new iPhones can especially be great because they have more power and more
0:25:27features. Um, cause it's not like that game's not going to run on an iPhone 10 or an iPhone eight,
0:25:32but on, but they, they want to point out that well on the 10 S with the A12 bionic, it's got the,
0:25:39we've got the access to that GPU and we've got the access to that neural engine with all the cores.
0:25:44And that's, what's unlocking these new features. And Apple was playing that game too. So clearly
0:25:48they told them to hit that, that point. Cause the, the point here is to sell, um, a new iPhone,
0:25:54right? Not just to sell how great, um, AR kit is. Uh, they want to sell new iPhones, which means
0:26:01they got to really hit the A12 bionic, but that seems to be like the neural engine stuff.
0:26:05Basically they broke it out and said, this actually enables a lot of stuff that we didn't
0:26:08used to be able to do that we can do in terms of like the HDR photography, um, in terms of some
0:26:14of the portrait mode stuff in terms of other, um, in terms of faster face ID, just not from
0:26:21the sensors, but from the, um, the processor and the neural engine being able to run faster. Um,
0:26:28but yeah, that's, that's it. I would say that's exactly, you know, unless you want to get super
0:26:33specific, I'd say that's what an S phone is, right? It's some upgraded hardware stuff where the,
0:26:37the camera gets nicer and the processor is better and there's some new features that get enabled by
0:26:41it, but it's not one of those kind of mind blowing, Oh, everything's changed. Also keeping in mind the
0:26:4610 was such a huge leap to begin with that. It's not too surprising to me that they, they pushed
0:26:52so far ahead last year that this year, you know, what, what, what do we ask of them? Like, this is
0:26:57a kind of like a regroup, uh, year where they're just doing some polishing on, uh, which is not to
0:27:03say that that new processor, I mean, we've come to take it for granted that the new Apple processor
0:27:08every year in the iPhone is just faster. It keeps getting faster and it's a thing that we expect
0:27:12still more impressive, right? This is the first seven nanometer, right? That was, that was one
0:27:16of the other big things this time. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait. I don't have a bell to ring here,
0:27:20but I can't wait to hear what, uh, John Syracuse especially has to say about that on accidental
0:27:24tech podcast this week, because they've had an ongoing conversation about the chip things, but
0:27:29it has been known, I think for a little while now that Apple was using a fab that was going to be
0:27:33able to give them a seven nanometer process thing. And it's an Apple boasted about it on stage that
0:27:37here we are with the first seven nanometer smartphone chip, I think, or commercially available
0:27:42consumer product deployed, whatever. It's, it's a, it's a thing for them to crow about. And, um,
0:27:48it is just like a bionic because they kept the same name, right? The, the, so nobody on connected
0:27:53one that bad. Yeah. That was really strange to me that they've been giving them new names every year
0:27:57and then kept the same name. This is why, this is why. So the fusion, um, I think internally,
0:28:02and I think it's been born out now, those names aren't just empty marketing. They have a meaning
0:28:07and fusion. The idea there was they had two banks of course, in the eight, 10 fusion, there were two
0:28:11banks of course, there was a high performance course, and there were the, uh, the, the low,
0:28:16the low power course, and they switched back and forth. And the idea there was a fusion of two sets
0:28:21of cores, one that was powerful and one that was, uh, energy sipping the bionic. The whole idea was
0:28:27it's bionic. It's up. It's, it's those two sets and they work together. And the idea there is
0:28:33you've got those six cores or whatever. Um, but they can all be running the, the, they can shut
0:28:38down the high power cores if they want to. Um, but the, the low energy cores can work regardless
0:28:46of whether the high power cores are working. And now given that they call this a 12 bionic,
0:28:52I think that's basically what they're saying is no bionic means what it means, which is how we
0:28:57have those cores in there and how they all work together. Um, and so it's, it is a marketing name,
0:29:01but there is, it appears to be that meaning behind it. Yeah. I think what we can see now is
0:29:08there weren't yearly iterations of names. The numbers are iterating, but the name
0:29:14applies to something that we have internally, but it was just, we were all, you know, human
0:29:20beings are pattern oriented and there was a new name each year. So we just expected there would
0:29:24be a new name, but that, that seems to be not the case. I was very confused for a little bit.
0:29:29I was like, hang on a second. Is there no new chip? Like I was really, like, I couldn't,
0:29:33I couldn't remember what number we were on, but I knew the name. And so I was like, I was scratching
0:29:38my head a little bit, but Jason, I have, uh, I have been sitting here and thinking, I think I
0:29:42might have to put two, uh, two things that the S stands for this year. Okay. Uh, one is, is SIM
0:29:49because these iPhones, they get dual SIM support. Um, all of the iPhones now have an eSIM embedded
0:29:56in them. So you can set up a new line so you can put a SIM card in them. You can also set up a
0:29:59second line, um, unless you're in China where they have made a specific China only model for two
0:30:06physical SIM cards. Cause they didn't say why they're just like, we can't use eSIM in China
0:30:10and they just move right ahead. Um, so this is a feature that I don't have a use for anymore.
0:30:17This is a feature I would have definitely had a use for like three or four years ago. Um, but my,
0:30:23uh, my network offers me the ability to use my data or minutes and stuff wherever I want. Um,
0:30:30but as a person who travels, like if this isn't a thing for you being able to let, I mean, and
0:30:35we need to see exactly how the eSIM thing will work, but if it could work like the iPad does,
0:30:40that would be incredible, right? Where you could just grab some data for a bit.
0:30:44And one of the carriers that they put on the screen was a carrier called Gigsky
0:30:48who does offer this for the iPad, right? Gigsky, you can just sign up for 30 days and get some
0:30:54data on your iPad. So if that is a thing that you can do with the iPhones, that's going to be
0:30:59really good for people traveling, that you could land in the U S or land in the UK
0:31:04and then get data for the next week. That's excellent. Yeah. I'm excited about the prospect of,
0:31:10uh, cause I've been buying, you know, like a three SIM for traveling in Europe. I would love to be
0:31:17able to just in advance of a trip overseas to just go to a website and say, yes, I want to sign up for
0:31:22this thing and get the data and scan it in or whatever and have it pop into the virtual SIM,
0:31:27essentially on my iPhone and know that at that point, when I travel to that country,
0:31:32you know, boom, it's taken care of. That would be, uh, that would be pretty awesome. Yeah. Like
0:31:36this is just, you know, there are places in the world that people really need this. And then we
0:31:40all benefit in theory from being able to use it when we need it. Right. Like, but there are a lot
0:31:45of places around the world where people have two SIMs and I know a lot of my friends who have work
0:31:50funds and personal phones, and now they wouldn't need that in theory. Right. Cause they could,
0:31:54there could maybe be a way to do it. For data purposes, they might, but not for like calling
0:32:00purposes. Yeah. I'm not entirely sure how all of it works. Like when I get to the UK, do I turn off
0:32:06the data on my one SIM, but leave the phone part on so that I can still get texts or calls or
0:32:13something. There's, there's some details to be worked out there, but it's, it's, uh, it's pretty
0:32:17interesting. Yeah. Um, there is a question in the chat room. I don't know this. I'll ask you if not,
0:32:22I'll find out the iPhone 10 R does it have dual SIM as well? I think it does. I think it does. I
0:32:27think there was actually very little that the 10 R doesn't have. There are some very specific things,
0:32:34right? It's got a different screen. It's only got one camera on the back. Um, it's LCD and not OLED,
0:32:41but there are lots of things that are just the same, including the processor and the wireless
0:32:48charging. And I believe the dual, the eSIM thing, I believe it has a dual SIM nano SIM and eSIM.
0:32:54Yeah. The dual SIM, the physical dual SIM is only on the 10 S max in China. Like there's one model
0:33:01where they're going to do physically two SIMs in the, in the phone, but everywhere else, you just
0:33:05get the eSIM and the, they're, you know, the 10 R has more in common with the 10 S phones than it.
0:33:11So we'll come back to what you were saying, um, uh, a moment ago about like what the 10 R has
0:33:17compared to the other in a second. But I did want to say like the other thing that, and I think like
0:33:21I'm, I'm, I'm being quiet with like saying, Oh, I have a name for it. The other name is size,
0:33:25but I think when we look back on this year in a few years time, we will classify this as the,
0:33:33the time when Apple brought out three phones of different sizes that were all new, right?
0:33:38Like that, that is this year. Now I understand. I mean, I know, I noticed a few, quite a few people,
0:33:44um, with the AskUpgrade questions that we'll do at the end of the show,
0:33:48were writing and saying, Oh, this was a boring year, a snooze year. Um, I don't think I feel
0:33:53that way because I have gotten something I really wanted, which was a large phone. I'm going to get
0:33:59the max again. Yeah. And the max is, I mean, I don't think I said this earlier, but the big
0:34:04difference between this and like the plus distinction is they're identical. Like the iPhone
0:34:0910 S and the tennis max, the only differentiator is the screen size. Otherwise they have every
0:34:15other feature is exactly the same between them, which is literally just a larger version of the
0:34:22same. Well, the only thing that's different is battery life. There is a little bit more battery
0:34:27life on the max. Which is a function of the fact that there's more, and I would imagine that also
0:34:31it's graphics, uh, it's graphics, uh, benchmark will be a little bit less because it's pushing
0:34:36more pixels than the 10, but it's the same hardware inside. And then the battery is bigger because
0:34:41it's physically a bigger phone. Like there aren't features, right? There are no specific features,
0:34:46but it's just, Oh, this has, they said, right? It doesn't have a different camera. It doesn't have
0:34:50a different processor. It's the same. So the other thing, the other size, right, is the, the R, the
0:34:5610 R now you mentioned, right? And I'm very surprised. I think everyone is super surprised
0:35:01about how close this device is to the tennis. I think we were expecting this will be closer
0:35:08to the eight, right? And what it has, but it has the same foster face ID. Apparently face ID is
0:35:16faster probably because of the chip. They didn't really say that there was any new technology,
0:35:20but it's like no neural engine and the enclave is fast. Yeah. The algorithms are faster. Who knows
0:35:25what that's going to actually work out to be. We'll see. I think some of that is probably iOS 12.
0:35:30And then some of it is, it's literally the speed of the, of the stuff in the processor.
0:35:34So the bionic chip, uh, has wide color has true tone. It has one camera, but it's the same sensor
0:35:43as the, the wide angle lens, right? It can do portrait mode. Yeah. How about that? And depth
0:35:49for field adjusting, which is a new thing that you can adjust the depth of field. So they're using
0:35:54machine learning and Joe Steele is going to have a field day with this one when it ships. Cause
0:35:59they're using it's it's like, like Google, I think actually they are using machine learning
0:36:05and their focus pixels to determine depth with one camera. So instead of the front facing has
0:36:13one camera, but it's got sensors. All of Apple's portrait modes on the rear facing camera have up
0:36:17to now been based on the idea that it's got two different, um, two different cameras to look
0:36:23through and it can do some depth detection based on the parallax. And, um, that's not happening
0:36:28here. This is all it's portrait mode in software on the 10 R I think it's safe to say, if you don't
0:36:33like portrait mode on the current set of iPhones, you're really not going to like this, right?
0:36:38Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's even more artificial than that. Now that said,
0:36:43I am not convinced that we aren't headed for a world where you will be able to do immaculate
0:36:52portrait photography with a single camera based entirely on software. I believe so. Google's
0:36:57pixel portrait stuff does tend to perform much better than Apple's and they only have one camera
0:37:04and pixel three is due out in like a month. And I guarantee you that thing will have one camera
0:37:09because Google have nailed that. They know how to do it. I'm just saying, you know, somebody who's
0:37:13got a trained eye like Joe Steele will be able to circle things in orange and red and say like,
0:37:17no, this doesn't work. But, um, but it's getting better all the time. And the more
0:37:22machine learning stuff that you throw at it, which they can with the A12,
0:37:26then the better it's going to be. I've been very impressed with the, the way that portrait photos
0:37:32have been improved in iOS 12. I think that they look a lot better. Yeah. And then you throw in
0:37:37that demo that they had, they had a sample photograph of a woman with her hair blowing
0:37:42in front of the background and the hair was, um, so, you know, the theoretically the hair is in
0:37:47the foreground and the, um, the, the, then there's the background and I know they picked the one that
0:37:54looked great, but it was in focus clear. And then the background was fuzzed out and it did that.
0:38:00And like, you know, they couldn't have even, they would have had to shoot millions of those last year
0:38:06in order to get that photo in there. They were showing off, but it is a good sign that they're
0:38:10much more confident about this stuff. And it's the case where, yeah, the software getting better
0:38:15alone can make a huge difference. And they mentioned, uh, mentioned computational photography
0:38:21on stage, a new era of photography, and there's something to that there, you know, they basically
0:38:25laid it down there, which other they're not the first company to do this, but to lay it out there
0:38:28that, you know, they can improve the hardware and the sensors and they are doing that and that's
0:38:32great. But the other thing you do is you have a lot of really great hardware and software, like the,
0:38:40the image single signal processor, and the fact that it's tied into the, uh, the AI stuff,
0:38:46the machine learning, uh, stuff in the neural engine and they've got their smart software
0:38:51sitting on top and like, that's how you get like their description. I really enjoy their description
0:38:55of how the new smart HDR mode works, where it was very cleverly described as being, well, when you
0:39:03take a picture, there's zero frame lag, there's zero lag from the shutter, um, but when you think
0:39:10you're taking one picture, we actually take four. Pause. And actually we're also taking secondary
0:39:16inter-frames shot at a different exposure for highlight detail. Pause. And we're also shooting
0:39:21a longer exposure to get shadow detail. Pause. And then all of that is analyzed and merged together
0:39:26simultaneously in a process that can take up to a trillion operations per photo in order to capture
0:39:32this image and have it look the best. And it's like, you know, Apple's not the only company doing
0:39:35this by a long shot, but, um, they do have a lot of great technology and smart developers. And I'm
0:39:41glad that they made that point that like, every time you take today, when you take a smartphone
0:39:45photo, you know, you're not just getting a JPEG dumped from the sensor. Um, you're getting this
0:39:52intensely processed collection of multiple exposures of the image with the right ones
0:39:58being picked up and the bad ones being thrown out and them all merged together. And, uh, and you end
0:40:04up with something that, that ideally I can't wait to try it out. Looks, um, looks much better than
0:40:10a normal photo would because it's able to better simulate basically what our eyes see, which cameras
0:40:17traditionally are really bad at. So the iPhone XR comes in how many colors, Jason?
0:40:28Well, I didn't count. It seems like a good number.
0:40:31Like six colors, Jason. It's six colors. That's six colors. It comes in about that. Um, we have
0:40:39a blue, yellow coral, which is like a red, the orange product, red, black, and white. Um,
0:40:47you've seen the colors in the house on area. Uh, what do you think of the colors?
0:40:52Uh, they're very bright. The yellow. I spent some time with the yellow, like the yellow back of that
0:40:58it's such a bright yellow and the blue looks really nice. The coral is gorgeous. Um, here's my
0:41:06caveat about it, which is the back is glass and the ring is aluminum, anodized aluminum,
0:41:15the metal ring around it. So when you're looking in the front, what you're really seeing is sort of
0:41:19the corners of the metal ring. And then you look at the back and then you see the big expanse of
0:41:24glass. Um, the metal ring looks nice. The glass looks beautiful. It is very similar to what the
0:41:31iPhone 10, which anybody who's forgotten how great the back of an iPhone 10 is because you have a
0:41:37case on it or something. Look at it. It's just, it's a beautiful glass colored, gorgeous back. Um,
0:41:46problem is those, the aluminum and the glass don't really, I think what they said was something like
0:41:55they're paired or they're, they combine or their color, you know, they're, they're color matched
0:42:00or something like that, but they're not the same. Um, especially in the yellow, like the,
0:42:04the frame, the band around the yellow one that I saw looked almost gold. And the back is like
0:42:10banana yellow. It's the super vibrant yellow. And so I think that's a question is that I'm not sure
0:42:16um, people who, who care about this sort of thing are going to love it only because they're not,
0:42:26you know, it's a little bit of a mismatch because the color you're going to get on an
0:42:29anodized aluminum surface and the color you get on that super shiny glass back are not the same. Um,
0:42:35in large part, they're, they're not quite the same. And the yellow one really struck me. Now,
0:42:40some of that is probably, um, expecting to see a gold, but it felt very gold to me compared to
0:42:45the yellow on the back. So that's my caveat about it. I think they're beautiful. I think they look
0:42:50really nice. Those bright colors are great to see. I'm so happy that there are colored iPhones from
0:42:55the get-go in bright colors and not just metallic, various metallics like on the, um, on the 10s,
0:43:01but, um, just, just a warning, you know, that the color of your anodized aluminum ring around your
0:43:09phone may not be quite the same kind of color and vibe as what you're going to get from the glass
0:43:14back. Okay. Well, that makes sense. So one of the things that has been lost though, is 3d touch.
0:43:21There is no 3d touch on these devices. There is something called haptic touch. Do you know
0:43:28anything about this? Yes. Well, again, maybe we'll learn more over time, but everything that I did,
0:43:35I tried it out. Um, and not to be too cynical about this, but I think it's amazing that Apple
0:43:42branded this haptic touch. What Apple did is they, I would be, I would be interested to see if they
0:43:50bring this to other phones. They probably won't bother, but, um, or quite frankly to the iPad,
0:43:55because what it really is is tap and hold, and then there's a pause and then you get a little
0:44:02from the, from the tactic engine. And then something happens. It's literally just a tap
0:44:08and hold with a bit of feedback to tell you that your tap and hold has been interpreted as a tap
0:44:14and hold, which is the equivalent of a 3d touch. So you could argue that Apple has essentially
0:44:20defined a 3d touch and a tap and hold as the same thing, but they've done it in a way that allows
0:44:28them to brand it as haptic touch instead of as like tap and hold. And that makes it maybe seem
0:44:34more special, but as far as I can tell, it is literally just tap and hold because there's no
0:44:39other sensor there. All it can do is measure touch. There's no, there's no pressure sensor
0:44:43there. So, um, yeah, I think haptic touch is just, they're putting some dressing around the tap and
0:44:49hold probably, you know, some of it's marketing and some of it is maybe that there's a good user
0:44:54experience and giving people feedback that they're resting their fingers somewhere. And the phone has
0:44:59now interpreted that as a command in a way that maybe they didn't intend. Uh, so it's sort of as
0:45:04a warning or at least gives you the feedback like, yep, I got it now. You don't need to stay here.
0:45:08I noticed that you wanted to, you know, turn on the flashlight from the lock screen is a good
0:45:13example of the camera from the lock screen, because those are things that you 3d touch to do on the
0:45:19iPhone 10 on the 10 R you just lay your finger there and wait, and then it goes bzzt and then
0:45:25it does it as if you 3d touched. I'm intrigued to see if that is something that could come to the
0:45:33iPad, right? Because the iPad has that, like you kind of just press for a little while, right?
0:45:41And you can use, you can do like notification actions and stuff like that. Like it has that.
0:45:47And I guess this is something that's kind of like that, but there's also a little buzz to it as
0:45:52well. Um, I wonder if that's the thing that they would consider bringing to the iPad in the future.
0:45:57I guess we'll see. Uh, the price was the last thing I wanted to ask you about with the 7R.
0:46:02So 7R, the 10R, my word, it starts at $749. Yes. That's, that's way less than I thought it would.
0:46:12I, I was saying, I was saying that I thought that it would be, we would be lucky if it was $799.
0:46:17I was, I really did expect this to be, I don't know, $899, $849, $799 at best. They were not
0:46:24kidding. Those reports that said that Apple was really trying to make this a lower priced product.
0:46:31They really were. Now like $749 is not exactly super cheap. It's not going to be there. We're
0:46:36not going to get a million think pieces about like how this is Apple's entryway into markets that
0:46:41they can't serve because their products are too expensive. It's still a $749 phone,
0:46:45but compared to what they were selling the iPhone 8 Plus for, like this is basically an iPhone 10
0:46:53with some features taken out, but a bigger screen and it's $749 instead of $999.
0:47:01So I think that's, I think that's pretty good. We'll see how it plays, right? This is,
0:47:05this is the thing that ever since these first reports came out, we've all been
0:47:09turning around in our, in our minds, which is what if Apple made their mainstream or like
0:47:15mass appeal phone and it was like an iPhone 10, but cheaper, but, but not small, but you know,
0:47:24a bigger phone, something that's a little bit more like a plus. Well, here it is, right? I mean,
0:47:30I held it in my hand. The problem with the context, in context, I held the, I held the 10s max in my
0:47:35hand. I was like, Oh, this is fine. And then I held the 10s and I was like, Oh, it's so tiny,
0:47:39but I know that that's not right. Like I know that you felt fine. Like not that it's for you,
0:47:44but cause you were always very against the plus phone, but you held it and felt it was fine.
0:47:49In the context where you're just holding a phone. I felt like I was holding an iPhone 10,
0:47:53but then I held the iPhone 10 and it felt small because it is a much bigger phone. And then the,
0:47:57the iPhone 10 R, um, is bigger than the iPhone 10, but smaller than the 10s max. Right. So,
0:48:07you know, it's, we'll see how people feel about large phones. I know that there are,
0:48:12we hear from a lot of people who don't like large phones. I think the market shows that most people
0:48:18do. Most people do like large phones and that, uh, this will be an interesting question of like,
0:48:24will Apple sell a lot of these, um, for 749 because this is the, this is, there is no new
0:48:33iPhone that is smaller than the iPhone 10s now new iPhone. Right. And it's 9 99.
0:48:42So if you want a cheaper iPhone, you can get one for 749, but it's a bigger iPhone. So if you don't
0:48:50want the big iPhone, you it's, there'll be an interesting kind of case there of having to weigh,
0:48:56do I want the larger phone or do I want the more expensive phone? That will be interesting to see.
0:49:00And quite frankly, the difference between the 749 phone and the 10 99 phone, the iPhone tennis max,
0:49:08like that'll be an interesting dynamic too, because that's a lot more money, 350 more dollars
0:49:15for a phone. That's got the same processor, you know, a lot of the same features. No,
0:49:20it doesn't have the OLED screen. No, it's not as high resolution to display for sure. But it,
0:49:26you know, there are probably a lot of people for whom that's just fine. So having been someone who
0:49:31is a large proponent of large phones, I think the two key reasons that people buy large phones is
0:49:38they want a bigger screen and a bigger battery and the max does both of those. Yeah. But so does the
0:49:4510 R the 10 R has a bigger battery too. Right. But it's also the it's got everything else, right?
0:49:50It's the OLED screen and you know, it's true. It's got other features, right? So it's, if you want
0:49:55the top of the line, and it's the biggest screen you can get, right? Like, you know, so there are,
0:49:59you know, there are many reasons that someone like me would still go for the the max. But we do have
0:50:07some ask upgrade questions at the end of the show today where people we got some people that are
0:50:12wondering like, which phone shall I go to? And I think that that is an interesting thing these
0:50:16days. But I will say, we spoke about the iPhones. And unless you have anything to say, I really want
0:50:21to talk to you about the Apple Watch. I think the Apple Watch is the most interesting thing that
0:50:28got announced today, which is why I guess we saved it for last. Yes, save not say nothing more. This
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0:52:28that the Apple Watch Series 4, which features pretty significant updates in design functionality
0:52:33and software, is maybe the more interesting thing that happened today? I actually was asked by an
0:52:37Apple employee like, so which did you, were you more excited about the Apple Watch or the iPhone?
0:52:42I said Apple Watch. I was more excited by the Apple Watch for sure. So their product imagery
0:52:48that I've seen and you've actually seen them so you can attest to this. It looks like a really
0:52:53different design. Like the overall kind of, you know, if you were to turn the screen off and look
0:53:00at it, it might look similar. But with the screen on, it looks very different. Yeah, it is. Well,
0:53:08it doesn't even look that similar with the screen off. It is taller, right? Like it's taller. It's
0:53:15thinner. So I got a point in the draft for that. It's not wider, which means all the watch bands
0:53:21work, which I also got a point for in the draft. Anyway, but it is taller, which is interesting.
0:53:27And that's the dimension that they measure. Well, they are actually, so they are taller and they are
0:53:31wider, but they've just made it all work. Yeah, yeah. It is slightly wider, but the volume is less
0:53:36because they made it thinner and that is the dimension that's really going to gain you. And
0:53:39also it's actually kind of a little more curved down at the edges. So that is, you can see,
0:53:48it's not quite the same. If you've been looking at an Apple Watch on your wrist for the last few
0:53:53years, you can see that it's not quite the same. And then the screen is fascinating too. So it is
0:53:581.5 to 2 millimeters bigger in dimensions, either wide or tall, depending on the, right? Like,
0:54:08so it's kind of all over. That isn't the whole story. The corners are also kind of more rounded
0:54:13down. They're actually saving some room there. And then the screen itself is not rectangular
0:54:19anymore. It's got rounded corners as well. It looks closer to square than it used to as well.
0:54:25Like it's a very interesting look. The actual model sizes have changed, right? So it's gone from
0:54:3438 and 42 to 40 and 44 in millimeters. And that's the dimension that is across your wrist,
0:54:43is the dimension that's measured there. So when I say it's taller, I'm sort of saying if you're
0:54:47holding it in front of your face, looking at it, then if it, you know, that dimension, which is the
0:54:54width of your wrist is, uh, is expanded by, by two millimeters. So I will say as well, because this
0:55:00is, this is where it gets a little, it's, it's a tad confusing because yes, that is what they're
0:55:04measuring. But with these ones, the same as the last ones, the actual height of the product is
0:55:08also that too. So they are, the 40 millimeter is 40 millimeters tall and the 44 is 44 tall.
0:55:15And that was the same with the previous, the 38 was 38.6 millimeters tall and the 42 was 42 and a
0:55:20half. So it's just, it's just for whatever reason, whatever way this stuff works out there, the kind
0:55:24of dimensions. So it's shaped a little bit differently. Not just, not just different,
0:55:29the volume is reduced, but it's a little bit different, even though the bands all work together.
0:55:35The screen is as edge to edge as they could get, like to the point where you can actually sort of
0:55:41see it gets right to the border in those corners and they're curved. And that's right as the glass
0:55:46is also curving. So it's, you know, it is, um, it is, you get that feeling like every little tiny
0:55:53bit of the space of that watch face is available space. Okay. Yeah. The screen is 30% larger in
0:56:01volume, which is a wildly large figure. Isn't it? When you think about it, like that just seems like,
0:56:06how could you make it 30% bigger without making the thing that much bigger? It's, it's, it's
0:56:11really wild, but it's using the volume better, right? That's using the available space way,
0:56:16way better. Um, did you play around with the, the, with watchOS 5 on this thing? Cause they,
0:56:22they mentioned, they made kind of an offhand remark or they mentioned it a couple of times
0:56:26without going into too much detail about the fact that like, they've effectively redesigned
0:56:29everything to fit this better. Yeah. It, it's hard to tell, like I wanted to see how the new
0:56:36complications and stuff work. And I, I was stopped immediately by the guy in the demo area. It was
0:56:42like, no, no. And I get the practicality of it is he didn't want me to mess up the complications
0:56:47that he then has to demo for the rest of the hour to everybody else who's there. Like I get it. But,
0:56:54um, so I, but I didn't get to spend a lot of time. I did. Uh, I mean, clearly there are new layouts
0:56:58for everything. Um, you know, wherever you go, you are seeing stuff, try to fill that space. And this
0:57:04is the, the, well, you know, it's the first time since the beginning that we haven't had just the
0:57:09two sizes, right? Because there was always a larger layout and a smaller layout, but now
0:57:15these are two new layouts that are a little bit larger still. Did you try the new digital crown?
0:57:21Cause it features a taptic feedback now, right? I tried it, but, um, whatever mode I was in,
0:57:27I wasn't actually getting the feedback. So I don't have, I don't have the haptic feedback to report,
0:57:33but the idea there is that, yeah, as you're flicking it, it should actually be, they said
0:57:37they redesigned the whole crown, even though it looks the same, they redesigned it. And it's funny
0:57:41that there were all those rumors about it being like a non-moving crown. Cause that's absolutely
0:57:44not true. It is. You can still move it and feel it, but it is giving you haptics to basically give
0:57:50you more feedback as you spin the wheel. Like how many sort of ticks you're, you're spinning that
0:57:56wheel as you spin it. Um, but it felt perfectly normal to me in the context where, you know, I
0:58:01was, I was spinning that crown around, but I wasn't feeling any of the haptics. So this,
0:58:09this new digital crown brings with it, coupled with a new sensor on the back, cause they've also
0:58:14redesigned the back to include some new sensors, which will allow you to perform an echocardiogram
0:58:20on yourself, which is bonkers. Like that is, that's huge, right? Like, I, you know, we were talking
0:58:30on, on I kind of our draft picks episode about like, oh, we don't think we're gonna, they're
0:58:34gonna add new sensors to this thing. Right. We didn't think there would be new sensors
0:58:37specifically. Um, because we just like, oh, what else would you measure? But like, they've already
0:58:42been measuring hot stuff, but I don't know if we would have expected that, oh, they're gonna,
0:58:46they're gonna add the ability for you to perform an ECG on yourself. Yeah. It's, it's really,
0:58:52this is really big. Yeah, it is. It's, um, it's the first big new health sensor feature. And we,
0:59:01we keep hearing rumors that the, um, that Apple's testing new health sensors. Um,
0:59:07one of the challenges is it's a medical sensor, so you need approval. And Apple not only said that
0:59:12they're, they're getting FDA approval for this, but that the president of the American Heart
0:59:17Association came out on stage to say, this is a, this is great, you know, basically. Um, so that's
0:59:25pretty fascinating. And the idea, I'm sure in the days to come, we're gonna get think pieces from
0:59:31cardiologists about how people shouldn't get too excited about this, or, you know, it's not going
0:59:37to be a very good electrocardiogram or, you know, all of those sorts of things. But on its face,
0:59:43it seems to be the idea here is, uh, just yesterday, there was a story by, um, Jason
0:59:48Perlow, who, um, is a tech writer who said that he's going to be an Apple watch user for life now,
0:59:53because he had a fast heartbeat detected that, um, they followed up and found out that he had atrial
1:00:00fibrillation, and he ended up having a heart procedure to stop it. Um, the idea here is that
1:00:05the electrocardiogram will be able to much more accurately say, we think, you know, we think you
1:00:10may be an AFib, and you can send that data to your cardiologist. Also, if your cardiologist wants you
1:00:16to, you know, take an electrocardiogram every so often, you could do it right from your Apple watch
1:00:21and then just pass that on to them. That's kind of interesting instead of going in for a, you know,
1:00:26for an appointment somewhere to have it measured. So there's that, it will be interesting to see how
1:00:30that, how that goes. They also adjusted the heart sensor so that it also can do low heartbeats,
1:00:34which is interesting, because that's another, another sign. So yeah, it's, it's a little
1:00:38interesting bit of engineering. Their challenge is how do we get a sensor in that actually does
1:00:42something and works and yet fits in this very, very tiny space? And it turns out the answer was
1:00:47an electrocardiogram is something that they could do and wire it to the crown. So you can sit there
1:00:52and touch the crown with your finger and it's touching your skin with the electrodes on the
1:00:57bottom and using that circuit, it can do, uh, an ECG on you. It is a shame, you know, as these
1:01:05things go, uh, it's US only for a while cause they've got FDA approval. They have that so they
1:01:10can, they can launch it and it's out there, but they need, and I understand they need to go and
1:01:15get a medical approval from all of the major bodies and all of the places that you want to
1:01:19put this thing into, but they're gonna, they're gonna work on it. Um, something else that I
1:01:23thought was absolutely amazing is the, uh, support for detecting a fall. If someone has a fall,
1:01:30they have better accelerometer and gyroscope stuff. Cause I was thinking like for my grandma,
1:01:35right? Like I would, if, if this, if that became a thing in her life, which at some point it could,
1:01:43I would 100% spend the money to put an Apple watch on her just so I had the peace of mind.
1:01:48I was thinking about how, you know, cause the idea here is if you take a fall, it will immediately
1:01:55put up the thing that you can slide to do an emergency call. If you take a fall and don't move
1:02:01for a minute. So basically you're unconscious. It calls, right? Plus it sends your information
1:02:07to your emergency contact, like where you are and all of that. I thought that was really interesting,
1:02:12right? As a, as a proactive way of like, if the user of this device is in trouble,
1:02:17can the device sense it and call for help? And that's what they're trying to do with this feature
1:02:23in the series four. Yeah. It's very, very clever. I was thinking about like, if I'm out for a run
1:02:28and I, and I fall and hurt myself and I can't move, you know, or I can't get up or something
1:02:34like that, then that, you know, that, that is, or if I'm unconscious to be able to call for help
1:02:40immediately, it's already after a minute. It's it's yeah, that's really smart. Yeah. Like
1:02:45I, I am, these two things have really surprised me the most of like how much of a jump they have
1:02:52taken again in the health censoring when it kind of felt like they may have hit their limit for now,
1:02:56but they're like, Nope, here's a bunch more. Like I was really, really impressed by those two,
1:03:02those two health kind of focus things. Um, but we should maybe talk about some of the,
1:03:08the less kind of, um, monumentally important, but maybe more daily important stuff, which is
1:03:13the watch faces. So we have seen the artwork of the, the, the heavily customizable, like eight
1:03:19or nine complication watch face with the, with the analog clock in the middle. Um, that was detailed
1:03:24a little bit more. They showed so that it's basically richer complication data. There's
1:03:28a lot more stuff going on. Um, but they also had a new version of the modular face as well. Right?
1:03:33Yeah. So there, there, it looks like there's two faces, um, the modular face and this, um,
1:03:40you know, face with hands that, uh, so that basically you've got your lots of complications
1:03:45at hands and lots of complications and digital, but beyond that, um, they're much more customizable
1:03:52than they were before. I, I, um, there are those four circles, all of which can be complications,
1:03:58or they can be photos of people, you know, that you tap and it lets you contact them. Like, so
1:04:03there's, there's a much bigger, richer, circular complication style that is available to developers.
1:04:10There are those corner complications, which again, I don't get a lot of detail of, but again,
1:04:15it looked like there were yet more places that you could put complications in the corners in addition
1:04:20to those circles. So you've got like eight or more complications on that one. And then there are also
1:04:25in the modular version. Again, there's, there, there are a lot of different places you can put
1:04:29them. And then the other thing that they showed in addition to the circular complications is it's a
1:04:34complication, but it's almost like a mini app. It's like a little bit of data. And I laughed at the
1:04:40first one that they said, which was stocks. Boy, somebody loves stocks. You can see a stock chart
1:04:46on your watch at all times. Oh boy. Great. Great. But then the next one was baseball. Hey,
1:04:52I ran into a guy from Major League Baseball before the session. I was like, oh,
1:04:58they really like to use you guys on stage, don't they? And there it was, there was a baseball line
1:05:02score showing. So a big horizontal space where an app can put a bunch of data if it wants to.
1:05:08These are called the Infograph Modular Face and the Infograph Watch Face. They're the names of
1:05:15these faces. But there, there's, there's a lot of data there. And again, and then there were a bunch
1:05:20of faces that are just pretty colors and, and they're, they're very nice. Yeah, they had like
1:05:24some effects, right? Like a fire and a water and like, so Gina was watching it with me today
1:05:28and she saw those and she was like, oh, I like those. And there's the Breathe Face too. And I
1:05:33was like, but there's no information on them. She's like, yeah, but they're better than the
1:05:36Silly Toy Story ones. And I was like, good point. Right? I was like, yes, that is a good point.
1:05:41And that's the point here is it takes all kinds, right? Like the Breathe Face is hands and the thing
1:05:46that's going to remind you to calm down and breathe, or you can get one of these just
1:05:51completely information overload faces. And that's great because different people want different
1:05:56things out of their Apple Watch. And when that story broke with the image and a bunch of the
1:06:03designers that, that you and I know started rolling their eyes about just how many complications were
1:06:09on that watch face. My comment was, you don't have to use it, but I'm excited about it. Right? I mean,
1:06:16that's everybody's got an opinion. If I am electing to wear a computer on my wrist, I want it to have
1:06:22access to the most amount of information that it can possibly have. I show it to me because otherwise
1:06:28what's the point. And if that's not your bag, then that's great. But like, I want more. I want,
1:06:32I always want more information on my Apple Watch face than is there always have always done. So
1:06:39yes, please more. And then if you want just to like a pretty kind of like wind face with hands
1:06:45and like blowy wind of colors or something great, great. They have that too. You can have that one.
1:06:52I want the one with all the complications on it. So one thing is worth noting for the sizes. And
1:06:57this is obvious when you think about it, but I've had a bunch of people ask me, so I'll clear it up.
1:07:02So the sizes have gone from 38 to 40 and 42 to 44. The watch straps, the bands are compatible,
1:07:10but only in the same class. So if you want to go from 42 to 40, none of your bands will fit.
1:07:17The 40 and 38 share bands, the 42 and the 44 share bands. Good one. That's a good FAQ.
1:07:22Just something to bear it. You just, you just got to bear that in mind because I know that there
1:07:26will be a lot of people that will want to go from 42 to 40 and they'll, you would probably get a lot
1:07:31out of that, but just understand that you'll be starting again with the bands. And it is interesting
1:07:35that like, I can't seem to find on Apple's website, like watch bands in sizes that aren't 40 and 44
1:07:42anymore, unless you buy a series three. I think they've basically decided that that's what they're
1:07:47going to call their watch bands now, but they're compatible with the old one. So it's fine. Oh,
1:07:50yeah, of course. Silly me. I've just walked myself into my own logic puzzle. Yeah. Rather than saying
1:07:54this is a 38 and 40, they just say this is a 40. That's confusing that if you do have a series three,
1:07:58right? It's like, well, this is a good fit. I can't believe I just explained that and then got
1:08:02myself tied up. If anything, that was a good thing to go through because now nobody can get confused
1:08:06because we've just given them information. There is a new stainless steel, a gold stainless steel,
1:08:12which I think looks awesome. I am very keen to see how that looks in person because I bet that
1:08:18would look really good, especially, and they do a gold Milanese loop as well now. So I think that's
1:08:24going to be a pretty good look. Are you, I mean, I'm naturally assuming that if you were going to
1:08:30get a phone, you would get the 10S, but you mentioned like, you know, you may not want to buy
1:08:34a 10S. You might just wait for the next one. Are you keen on buying one of these for yourself?
1:08:40Well, I'm going to buy a series four watch for my wife because she's got a series zero.
1:08:49Yeah. So that's going to happen. Will I buy one for myself? We'll see. I need to write about it,
1:08:56right? So it's possible. It's possible that I will just get a, if I get a loaner from Apple,
1:09:03I can use that for a while and I know how that is and then that'll be fine. So we'll see how it
1:09:07goes. But I'm definitely the most interested in this. If I were to buy, if you said, Jason,
1:09:15you can buy one of the things that got announced today, I would absolutely buy the series four, um,
1:09:22Apple watch with cellular. That's the one I would buy. I think if you can say one of the coolest
1:09:26products, this and the 10R is cool. Like I'm surprised how much I like that, that product.
1:09:34Like I have been dooming it in my mind to the fate of the 5C, but I don't think it's going to have
1:09:40that. I think part of the problem with the 5C, it was the colors. Weren't the problem. The outdated
1:09:45technology was the problem. Exactly. The perception that it was an old phone. Yes. And this is not an
1:09:50old phone. It looks like a new phone and it's got the guts of a new phone. And I think this thing is
1:09:55going to sell. It's going to sell well because of that. And the colors are amazing. And the Apple
1:10:00watch looks really cool. Now look, I do not believe I'm going to buy one of these for myself.
1:10:07I'm going to be buying one of these to give to my wife. Right? Like I, Adina is using a series zero.
1:10:14Yeah. So our wives, what's wrong with us? Our wives are using old Apple watches.
1:10:17She's perfectly happy with it. I was like, no, this is a, this is the thing. I want to see what
1:10:22it looks like. I want to get a feel for it so I can buy it. And then it's yours, right? Like
1:10:26I'll play with it for like two days so I can get an idea of it and then it's all yours. And so like,
1:10:30that's something that I'm going to do. And then she can get a nice update to her Apple watch
1:10:34because she does use it and wears it and loves it. Right. Every day she uses it. And so this will be
1:10:39an incredible upgrade for her to go from series zero to series four. That's going to be amazing.
1:10:47And it's also, you know, we saw this in the images, but it's really great that they
1:10:51dial back the red on the digital crown for the, for the, yeah. Yeah. So the crown has a ring
1:10:57and it's black if it's the GPS model and it's red if it's the cellular model. And that is,
1:11:03that ring I think is the contact for the, the ECG as well. But it's, but I think that's the
1:11:09color coding is, uh, and yeah, that's as somebody who put a space gray dot over my red, uh, cellular
1:11:17dot on my crown, I endorse this plan to not have it be a big red dot on the side of your watch.
1:11:25Yay. Good job. And the series three is sticking around at 279, which is a fantastic price.
1:11:32I think for that, I'm surprised that they are keeping it for that price, but yes, you got
1:11:37399 for the GPS, 499 for the cellular and, uh, they keep in two, I think it's two 79 for the,
1:11:46uh, the series three Apple watch, which is still going to be around. So yeah. Yeah. So
1:11:51series three is the survivor this time. That'll be your, your, and the series three Apple watch
1:11:54is pretty good and that's a cut down price for it. Right. So that's, that's not a bad deal.
1:12:00Um, either I have given some thought to the fact of like, um, does Lauren want the series four or
1:12:06does she want the series three for cheaper? But I think not only do I want to get the new watch
1:12:11model, but I think having the bigger screen is going to make a big difference. So I think
1:12:15you're going to go with that one. All right, Jason, the upgrade Ian's they've got their
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1:15:02So we do have some #askupgradequestions. First one comes from Mark.
1:15:08XS.
1:15:08What is the...
1:15:11Those lasers, lasers XS.
1:15:13Yeah, we use the lasers, the extra small lasers now here.
1:15:16Or the extra small maximum ones.
1:15:19Extra R. They're extra righteous lasers.
1:15:22Extra radical lasers. What is the width of the 6.1 inch screen on the iPhone XR?
1:15:29Is it more comparable to the Plus?
1:15:30I recommend you go to the text packs page on Apple.com.
1:15:32This is where I got my information. Don't worry, Jason. I've got it for you.
1:15:36It's hard to tell from the pictures. I don't like the skinny XS size.
1:15:40So the comparison tool on the website says that the XR is 2.98 inches wide.
1:15:46The Plus is 3.07 inches wide. So it's slightly smaller than the Plus.
1:15:52But for comparison, the iPhone X is 2.79 inches wide.
1:15:56So it sits in between them, but closer to the Plus in its actual physical size.
1:16:02And it's in between the iPhone, they said the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 Plus.
1:16:07It actually slots right in between those two.
1:16:09It's sort of halfway in between.
1:16:10But then also, though, the screen is bigger than both of them.
1:16:13So that could be good for you. Right.
1:16:15I'm including in the show notes, the wonderful Kate Matthews did a lovely little drawing,
1:16:21which shows you how these things will stack up together.
1:16:24So you can see with a lovely little outline exactly where all those devices fit.
1:16:30So you can see what's right for you.
1:16:31But I would say that if you don't like the physical size of the X,
1:16:36but want the features of the X, that maybe this is right for you.
1:16:40And this goes into Scott's question.
1:16:42Am I crazy in thinking that I want to trade in my iPhone X for a XR?
1:16:46I don't think so. I think...
1:16:48I don't think it's crazy either.
1:16:50Yeah. I mean, it's like we said, it's a good price.
1:16:52And it is...
1:16:55I'll tell you, I'm sure the screen on the XS and the XS Max are nicer.
1:17:03I'm sure they are.
1:17:04I'm sure that the blacks are blacker and all of those things.
1:17:06And they said that the dynamic range is even better on the XS than it was on the X.
1:17:11That said, the XR feels really good.
1:17:13Like it feels like an iPhone X.
1:17:15I know the screen isn't as nice, but it's pretty nice.
1:17:20I mean, this is not...
1:17:21Apple is not...
1:17:22It's not a cheap screen.
1:17:24This is a screen that's better than the screen that's on the 8 and 8 Plus.
1:17:27And so I think it's got appeal.
1:17:31If you're somebody who wants a larger screen, but doesn't want to spend $1099 for it.
1:17:35You can get a great price.
1:17:37Well, a great price today, right?
1:17:41A regular price, price two years ago of what a new iPhone will cost you, right?
1:17:46$750.
1:17:47Yeah. We're back to the standard plus price.
1:17:50In 2018 for a flagship phone, a good price, you're getting all of the technology inside.
1:17:57Basically, all you're losing is the telephoto lens and the OLED screen.
1:18:03So, you know...
1:18:05Do you care about those things?
1:18:06If you don't...
1:18:06That is your question.
1:18:08And if you also would love a wonderful blue, yellow or orange phone, right?
1:18:13Then like, yeah, maybe you should get a XR.
1:18:16Like, I feel like it kind of like with the Apple Watch, there should be a lot of people
1:18:20that maybe don't pre-order on Friday.
1:18:22Like go to a store and look at these things.
1:18:26Because you might change your mind about what you want.
1:18:29Like, I think if you are someone who is on...
1:18:33You don't want the Max.
1:18:34I think that there is some questions you want to ask yourself about what phone you want,
1:18:39I think.
1:18:40Which I don't think it's been this way before.
1:18:43Keith wants to know, are you able to confirm the improvements of Face ID unlocking?
1:18:47Is speed and reliability improved?
1:18:49Now...
1:18:50You can't train your face in the demo room.
1:18:53It's not allowed.
1:18:54And they don't show you anything?
1:18:56Well, I mean, even if they weren't trained for anybody's face, they didn't have a passcode
1:19:00on them.
1:19:00So I could do nothing.
1:19:02There's no way I could test that.
1:19:04There was also nothing to say about orientation now.
1:19:07I don't know what that means for the iPad.
1:19:09Like, will it be iPad only?
1:19:11Will there be two cameras?
1:19:12We don't know right now, right?
1:19:13Like it's all seems up in the air because we were expecting all that stuff to come together.
1:19:17I believe that Apple drew in that they're saying it's faster.
1:19:21I'm keen to see what that actually ends up looking like.
1:19:25Um, Avi has written in, I feel sorry for Avi.
1:19:27Avi says, I've held off on getting AirPods anticipating an update.
1:19:33Is it worth continuing to wait indefinitely?
1:19:35Now, famous last words.
1:19:38I think you should just get them because if AirPower was close, they would have said.
1:19:46Yeah, AirPower may not exist anymore as far as we know.
1:19:50Um, who knows?
1:19:53I would say the big rumor is that they would have, um, always on, um, ahoy lady.
1:20:03Um, and if that's a feature you desperately want, you might want to wait for it.
1:20:09But otherwise I think the current AirPods are great and you should just go get them and not worry about it.
1:20:14And if they were imminent, they would have surely been shown off today.
1:20:18Like even in just a, oh, by the way, the new AirPods, or they would have shown up in the store.
1:20:22Yeah. If there are new AirPods, will they be ready for, for the holidays maybe, but it may, maybe they don't ship until October or November, or maybe there are next spring. Who knows?
1:20:31And the likely updates really are like, you get always on Siri and may, may be better battery life, possibly a color.
1:20:37Like, uh, and honestly, AirPods are so awesome.
1:20:42If you get them today and they add those features, you'll be fine.
1:20:45Cause AirPods are great as they are right now.
1:20:49Um, Myke wants to know along with many other people, will the older watches get the new faces?
1:20:56I don't think so.
1:20:57I don't think so.
1:20:58I think those are faces designed for those, for those sizes of screen. Yeah. That's why that's the whole premise.
1:21:03They're designed for the edge to edge screen. That's what they're for. I don't think you're going to see those on any other.
1:21:08And even if they fit, I don't think they'd do it because it is a selling point is a unique selling point of the new models.
1:21:13Exactly.
1:21:14Steven asks, what do you think the delay in bringing the new heart features to Apple watch outside of the U S will mean for sales?
1:21:22I don't think it will mean anything because you'll get the features if you buy the watches whenever it's available.
1:21:28Um, I, but I don't really think that many people would make their purchasing decision based just upon this.
1:21:35I feel like you'd have other reasons.
1:21:37Yeah.
1:21:38Right. Like I don't think it's going to be a difference maker and it will be a nice thing whenever the watches end up supporting them.
1:21:44Like, but you know, I feel like if you really needed that, you would probably have a different product in your life already.
1:21:51Mm hmm.
1:21:51Um, but it will be a nice feature whenever it does happen.
1:21:54Sure.
1:21:55Uh, Will said any word on how keyboard cursor works on the iPhone 10 without a 3d touch or are we back to covering up text with press and hold?
1:22:04Do you know if the keyboard selection thing works?
1:22:06I didn't try that. Um, it would be interesting to see if, if you tap and hold and get the little haptic, does that mean you can move the cursor around on screen?
1:22:15I didn't try that, so I don't know. My guess is it won't, but, um, I would love to be pleasantly surprised.
1:22:21So iOS 12 added the ability to navigate by swiping on the space bar.
1:22:29Hmm.
1:22:30I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.
1:22:33Maybe that's why. Yeah. Good one. Good one.
1:22:36So you can swipe on the space bar. Uh, I believe.
1:22:41Well, yeah, there is a way to do it. I don't, I don't use the Apple keyboard, so I'm, I'm, I can't really help you there, but that is a thing you can swipe on the space bar to, to move the text insertion cursor around.
1:22:54So maybe that, maybe that's what they're going to have, or if they don't, that's an easy thing to do. Gboard has that already, right? It's like a thing that they could do.
1:23:02Um, and Lachlan asks, do the new phones come with the same five watt charges? The answer is yes, they do.
1:23:10Oh good, because they don't have little chargers laying around at the event, so I have no answer there.
1:23:16Yeah, they do. They come with the same five watt power adapters, which is a real shame, because the batteries are bigger, um, they don't come with any more powerful, uh, charges, which is, I, that's frustrating.
1:23:27I think that Apple should maybe bundle something a bit more, a bit better in there, especially because the 18 watt charges are expensive, uh, and they, you know, the USB-C lightning cable thing, like all of that stuff they should, they should move to.
1:23:40Um, I did see as well, Jason, I mean, I personally don't really care about this now, but, uh, these phones will not have, um, headphones to the lightning, lightning to headphone adapters in them?
1:23:52Yeah, apparently not, so, you know, that, they can add that to the list of, uh, sins on the, uh, running scoreboard on the Verge.
1:24:00Yep, and now, uh, as I, I saw a Verge Artcore, uh, headline today, it did make me laugh, they said, "Oh, and there are no longer any more phones," like, 'cause now they killed the, the SE and the 6S.
1:24:11Yeah.
1:24:12There are no more headphone jacks on Apple's phone.
1:24:13Did you know that the Verge has a story that they, that they, uh, keep updated, that is, "Here's a list of the best phones that have headphone jacks"?
1:24:20Mm-hmm.
1:24:21That is a great example of an editorial organization reflecting the priorities of its leader.
1:24:28Yeah.
1:24:28'Cause Neeley really cares about headphone jacks.
1:24:31Like, I understand, like, if you care about it, like, I get it, but at this point, just, like, I feel like—
1:24:36Just wait, just wait, though, 'cause if they do away from the headphone jack on the iPad Pro, then you're gonna hear me complain about it.
1:24:45[laughs]
1:24:46All right, then you can keep a, a running article.
1:24:49Yeah, I would—
1:24:49Yes.
1:24:50That will be frustrating.
1:24:51Here are the iPads that have headphone jacks.
1:24:53None.
1:24:54Especially if the rumor of USB-C comes true.
1:24:57That would make it even weirder.
1:24:59'Cause then I need an adapt—to edit a podcast on an airplane, which I'm not gonna do with Bluetooth headphones, um, I need adapters, and then they don't—uh, yeah.
1:25:09Let's, let's not—well, there are other episodes of upgrade for us to turn over other iPad rumors, but good news, we'll be doing that for who knows how long now, because they weren't announced.
1:25:20They were not.
1:25:21So that is it, that is the September event.
1:25:24Uh, thank you so much to everybody that sent in questions with the hashtag #askupgrade.
1:25:28If you'd like to hear us answer a question at the end of the show, just send in a tweet with the hashtag #askupgrade, and we get them in a sheet and we can go through them.
1:25:35Or if you wanna open the show with the hashtag #snowtalk, it could be a question about literally anything.
1:25:41Now, Jason, I'm gonna assume that you're gonna have lots of things going up online, lots of words to still be written about what happened today.
1:25:47Where can people go to get that?
1:25:48I need to start writing things.
1:25:50Uh, all the links, uh, and some of the words will be at sixcolors.com.
1:25:54Great, so you can go there.
1:25:55You can also follow Jason online.
1:25:57He is @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L on Twitter.
1:26:00I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
1:26:04Um, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of upgrade.
1:26:08I hope that it has provided you with entertainment and information, uh, about what has occurred today.
1:26:14Um, and you know, it's always great to, to have Jason who's been there amongst it all.
1:26:19Um, you always can help provide a very useful perspective, having actually held and touched and seen the products, which, uh, you don't get many other places.
1:26:28That's why I'm here.
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1:27:03Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
1:27:05Goodbye, everybody.
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