334: Three Pillars of Batman
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the incontrovertible numbers we January
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2n474 welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable on your host Jason L we so
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bad man won the tournament that we ran
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here that was stupid and we wanted to
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have an amazing episode about that man
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and we we are doing one tonight we are
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we are embarking on a journey through
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films starting the Batman and we're
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starting with the the tim burton
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directed Batman films 1989 Batman and
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1992 is batman returns to discuss these
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films with me i have a fine panel of
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people who watch the movies and that
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will talk about it because that's what
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the show is will begin by introducing
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Shannon sudderth is here hi Shannon
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welcome back 11 keys
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David jail or wholly super your
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spectacular Batman and the no new auntie
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Ashley hello I'm multi-chip sudderth I'm
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sorry i I'm I didn't prepare I've
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watched the ben affleck daredevil and
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Tony sindelar hello nerds and for Batman
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is Mac Batman belongs to all of us we
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are all been no let's not get carried
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it's not how DC Comics sees it i don't
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think that all right so here's the story
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with that man they did the the adam west
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batman in the sixties that was fun then
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the property cuddle just lay there for a
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while Superman they start making
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Superman films in the late seventies
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those are successful and they decided we
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should go back into batman again they
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took until nineteen eighty-nine when
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finally Batman hit the big screen again
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starring michael keaton as Bruce Wayne
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and Batman Jack Nicholson as the Joker
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directed by tim burton this was for
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those who did not live through it i can
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just say it was a big deal like this was
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my memory is that this was the first
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like market movie as marketing campaign
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that I remember like literally the
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was omnipresent you could not everything
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had Batman logos on it your milk at a
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batman logo on it
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everything had Batman logos it was it
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was for those who didn't live through it
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it was a huge marketing push this was my
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want to say the end of my freshman year
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in college and yeah so it was a big deal
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and I think it was a man an extremely
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successful film as well with a different
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you know a different kind of take that
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was very influential that led to like
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the the a lot of the themes of it get
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kind of replayed in batman the animated
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series it's got an interesting kind of
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art deco-style uh so anyway let's start
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by discussing tim burton's batman is
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did you did you all see Batman when it
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came out or did you watch it later
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yeah I saw it when it came out but I was
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a really big comics nerd at the time so
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I also went through the pre-movie pre
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oh my god this is going to suck they
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can't Michael Keane I remember that his
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chin isn't strong enough so that it's
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it's remarkable that this movie was this
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successful as it wasn't i think a lot of
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it had to do with the overdrive
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marketing that Warner's did to try to
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convince people that know it wasn't
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going to suck you know I I was the one
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in my my group in high school because
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this came out right at the tail end of
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my senior year of high school I was the
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one who when they announced the casting
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was like okay it's gonna be great and
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everyone else is like no no come on come
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on Michael Keaton these Betelgeuse is
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mr. mom and like they're just you watch
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and sure enough he is I mean he's still
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my favorite movie Batman I saw it
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opening night in a crowded theater that
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was completely full and it was playing
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into auditoriums in that multi plaque
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and I know that because there was
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something wrong with their print and we
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had to sit there in that crowded theater
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for 30 minutes past the show time until
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it finally started and I still loved
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every second of it
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my friends and I spent months doing jack
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nicholson's little card thing remove the
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card around the deck everything in the
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movie was cool too
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and it's it's one of the few that ever
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so twice in the theater in the same
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weekend my college roommates and I we
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were not cool people we memorized the
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lyrics to bat dance that's how could
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that mean to you do we wait for this
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movie and I married him anyway Tony ya
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too young to be an honorary or just old
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enough to see a bad man i was definitely
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too young for part perhaps for both of
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these movies but definitely for this one
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I think i was aware as a spamming I was
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a child I i was aware of the like the
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marketing push of it but I i think the
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first time I saw it was you know on a
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VHS tape it's good you're drinking your
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milk it's good and yeah because I think
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yeah and speaking of bad milk i should
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say the Batman cereal that came out
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needing nine was really good
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Batman Returns cereal not as good funny
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men but we'll get there we'll get there
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tim burton personally make both of those
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so all right let's talk about Batman
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then we'll look we'll talk about 1989's
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Batman now I mentioned I the style here
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is it's fun it is this weird art deco
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kind of style we we've seen this in a
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it's definitely I you know the i always
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think of Max Headroom is being a little
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bit like that although that's a little
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more techy of course the great Super
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Mario Brothers it's anyway but it but it
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is a it's kind of a fun mix of things
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that look old along with some things
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that look uh look modern and his first
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was the designer I think won the Oscar
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for art direction it would visit it
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looks really beautiful and from the very
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very start where we see the this stuff
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we see a family with it with a parents
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in and the young kid and it's very
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clearly playing on the origin of Batman
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it's kind of a fake-out and it's a fake
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ad because it's not it's actually the
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present and they're saved by Batman but
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but they they can't get a cab so they
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decided to cut through a dark dark le
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dangerous Ally because they're dumb
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yeah and that meant save them when i
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first saw this movie I it was a crowded
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house there were loads of people there
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who were not come
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book fans they were there because of the
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marketing and all the stuff that opening
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scene when you see the but i think one
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of the descriptions of Gotham City is as
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long as the hell burst from the ground
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and kept on going
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when you see that opening claustrophobic
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shot shot there were people in the
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audience who were clearly not regular
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Batman fans who just audibly gasps oh my
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god this is horrific
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you know right the right then and there
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that art direction is just coming at you
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Dayglow sixties pop art that's for sure
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who are you I'm Batman
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here it is oh we we did that ad
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infinitum on its are everywhere else i'm
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back mad by then you're saying you
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well no I don't think it's just slow
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down some some people went and got day
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jobs and didn't do it anymore but now i
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remember going up to a drive-through I
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don't want to say it was a McDonald's
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but it could have been a taco bell and
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and what is it can I help you have
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everyone in the car when I'm Batman
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yeah he threatens the one guy a lot but
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he but he says no no I'll send out you
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can send a message my notes here are all
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about how this I think is very
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definitely trying to reflect the new
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york city of this period this is a
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crumbling sleazy metropolis except often
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city it's not metropolis to Gotham City
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but it is it is very much that eighties
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sleazy garbagey New York that we're
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seeing in in Gotham it's gross
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the hipsters have not come yet know it's
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gross but it's also got art deco and
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gargoyles everywhere
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hmm sure it's a cooler city that's gone
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to credit and tommy guns the police
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carry tommy guns i love how I i love how
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just an anachronistic the whole thing is
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and they're all in like weird leather
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jackets that you know are you know the
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me I i think the word that comes to mind
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is it is discount finish where um yeah
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yeah but that's just that's it that's
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how they do things in Gotham yeah Tony
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when you can't afford a leather catsuit
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you know what you do you just cut up
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some final and so it but
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that's another yeah anyway I learned a
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lot in these movies
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hey so uh so we see Billy Dee Williams
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appears as Harvey Dent although he
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doesn't have very much to do in this
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movie he's just kind of present Jack
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Nicholson and a Jerry Hall i have a have
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a scene together jacket jacket is the
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henchman for the organized crime leader
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and Jerry Hall is his is his girl but
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they are stepping out on the side here
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and we get some lines including decent
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people shouldn't live here which is good
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this is Gotham City welcome to it and
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and what delightful casting is Jack
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palace you can be Jack Nicholson's boss
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yeah you just somebody bigger than Jack
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Nicholson Jack Nicholson is going to be
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playing this pretty big kind of big
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remember Jack never got my number one
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it's yeah Jack Palance is great as a
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Carl Grissom Chris some gruesome right
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and there's another there's dirty
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lieutenant Hart who we meet who is one
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of my least favorite things about this
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movie because he's just kind of a fat
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slob who is like dubbed in i think yeah
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I would I couldn't tell if what was
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going I wasn't sure if somebody if he
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was eight ER in his own lines or
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somebody else was covering them but yeah
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like noticeably doesn't match up the way
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he's dubbed to is strange
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he's dubbed as if he's communicating but
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the the voice is so soft and gravely
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that there's no way that any any noise
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at that volume could have been
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understandable by any of the other
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characters in the scene and I just don't
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I I never liked the character and I
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never liked the way he talked but it was
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only watching it back this time that I
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realized he's just completely dubbed in
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and I don't even know why and its kind
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of slightly gravely and anyway he's a
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crooked cop and and he's gross and his
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voice is super strange and and it's
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Porkins yeah yeah
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Porkins it's so bizarre to me well the
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butt with a weird dubbed again it might
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be him it might be somebody else mr. is
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it's very strange required a monthly I
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don't get that shit together
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someone else took up all the oxygen in
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the room before he got any life
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we meet a couple other characters early
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on here too we we meet knocks the the
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reporter played by room TVs Robert wool
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oh I love knocks because Robert was
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playing him like he's the star of the
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movie yet haven't no no one told you see
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he's almost in a different movie
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he's like a wacky wacky journalism movie
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that is not the movies and it's it is
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very french maid and halfway through the
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movie he just drops out like he's off
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following scoops or something but it's
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like the movie said oh wait
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we've got Batman sorry Robert no he's
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like kind of any movie come with you I'm
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gonna do some stuff in the movies like
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no I remember him doing the late-night
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chat show circuit around this time and
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he was actually he was acting like it
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was his movie there too
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yeah this is terrible i remember on the
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comedy channel that he would do one of
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the going to commercial bumpers and it
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was mostly him complaining that he got a
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great contract that said he got a cut of
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the toy rights but then he discovered
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you only got a cut of his toy right and
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you were not a lot of plucky reporter
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hey I had I had the plucky reporters
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journalist notebook and pen and and the
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snap brim hat you gotta you gotta give a
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couple dollars to Robert well that's
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okay he's got are less money now it's
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fine and we and we also meet kim
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basinger as Vicki Vale who is introduced
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so you know they're trying to do the on
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some kind of a battery thing between
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Robert wall and kim basinger her and I
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can't decide whether it's gross or
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whether it's amusing because he's so bad
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I tend to plump for the ladder yeah that
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that he's he's that bad at it she's
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humoring him because she needed help
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yeah I think he's the only one who's got
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the banter going on she's just humoring
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yeah but she's like it all gets summed
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up later on when at one point you know
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he's like expressing concern or
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something and she puts both her hands on
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his face and give them a quick little
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kiss your you're cute yorkie pups
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through it you can tell she's a serious
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reporter because she wears glasses
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sometimes huh right you can you can
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definitely tell that but they are again
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it is it is kind of a fun fun tone but
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it's a little bit weird because it's it
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is like from another movie about plucky
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reporters but it's really just to get us
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into this other story that were that
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were going to get with with Batman which
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is fine i I actually made a note at this
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point to that at points rubber walls
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performance reminds me a little bit of
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like Bill Murray in ghostbusters it's
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that kind of eccentric and bizarre and
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there's the whole thing where where
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they're in Bruce Wayne's uh that mansion
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and they're like wander into the Hall of
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weapons like the museum room must be a
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hang of the wicker people and things
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like that where it's just the strange
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you know but look at this look at that
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mirror he must be Bruce vain
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I'm like again and again and again it's
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just nice girl and i genuinely enjoy him
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he's not putting a lot of energy out in
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a role that he has to know isn't that
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good for him i think he thinks it's that
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important i'm sorry and godbless
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important lesson yes I enjoy and I'm
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surprised how much of his dialogue I I i
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know i like know by heart the right wall
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dialogue is wacky and it gets you into
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the movie and yeah and then he is
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discarded but he's kind of fun while you
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sit around he serves His function and
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you need the actor to do the best job
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ruse Wayne and Keaton is mesmerizing
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huh it's the mr. Bruce Wayne you've got
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yeah you know yeah in fact there is a
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great my Michael golf is great i do love
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Bruce and and Vicki to get together at
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that's that's because that's Bruce Wayne
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let's go and then cut to their in this
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like you at all and bruce says some of
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it is very much me know it's it's it's
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very there some there since this is not
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a long shot right there are but there
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little nice stuff a lot of less stuff
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cough the okay so yeah we should talk
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about Jack Nicholson as jack napier and
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he becomes he becomes the Joker unsubtle
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carton eckhardt who I didn't like gets
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shot by jack in a scene at the access
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chemical plant which i also just to say
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like a zombie he's just kind of moving
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very slowly and kind of going in and
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it's I don't understand that carry I
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don't even know why that character is
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there it's really bad but but the Joker
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probably unnecessary is the person who
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Bruce Wayne's parents yeah
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f words about that later yeah well we'll
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get it will circle around that but here
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he he you know there's a shootout he
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gets hit by a ricochet Batman tries to
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capture catch him but he drops into the
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chemicals and is is dead and will never
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see him again except of course he
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is the is the Joker so they got my
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truck money to Jack Nicholson's house
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coup to get the guy who was basically
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two or three best actors on the planet
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role to bite to chew off to bite on
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jewel I don't know to shoot there's a
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lot of chewing scenery going on really
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is what's happening again
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it's quite a roll yeah when Jack
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Nicholson puts his all into it and then
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really really good as jack napier yeah
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unhinged miss that's just sort of in the
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it you know you just gotta go with it
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yes he's a jack napier zile operated on
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by a German doctor who has a very bad
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tim burton was stocking up for Edward
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jerry hall so sugar bumps sugar bumps
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just putting it out there and so yeah so
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he kills a he kills Jack Palance I had
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palance and says wait till they get a
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load of me but interesting decision by
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Jack Nicholson an interesting decision
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by tim burton to leave it in at and I
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letting you know for sure I'm insane but
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get a load of me he follows it up with a
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guy he and then the guy leaves and
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nickel just standing there going
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do-do-do-do-do-do VD just move it off
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but the Joker could just be goofing off
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let's leave it in its great he is not
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it's like no peace still going he does
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yeah like it when they hit the museum
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okay here's what we're doing guys
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oh yeah let's see what else in there
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Bruce Bruce lies to vicki vale after
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they've spent the night together
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I says he's got to go out of town but
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basically gives gives that away awkward
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like yeah yeah that was that was well
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you you're supposed to let your Butler
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know that you've gotta yeah you
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should've gone with it though i suppose
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i'm thinking that this alfred was not a
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former spy i think it offered in this is
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not used to Bruce Wayne as a woman i was
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a playboy right so much so he doesn't
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have the moves down it like oh yes we
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are going out of town
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ya soon as Bruce has a girlfriend
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girlfriend gets brought down to the bad
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hey so alpha tango what so that you've
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yeah but there's no they don't have any
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pop formal policies written up it's a
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problem I owe the Joker has a meeting of
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all the crime lords in ya Gotham City
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they have a little meeting little table
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gang of gangs yeah I love his vanity
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that he's got the flesh-colored makeup
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plastered on top of his chalk white skin
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and this one and hit that looks even
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more creepy that's one of my favorite
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things is that his skin is naturally
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white with the smile but sometimes he
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puts makeup on to have it look normal
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and then later on the movie tells Batman
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i have taken off my makeup
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let's see if you can take off yours
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except he hasn't taken off his makeup
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he's put more makeup on right yeah well
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it's it's not it's not that it's vanity
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it's he's he he knows nobody knows what
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he looks like yet anybody also wants to
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freak them out as the makeup starts to
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crack and peel away the smile looks
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pretty freaked out about to me
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yeah weird prosthetic it is weird he
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killed he kills a guy with the joy
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you mentioned the you're my number one
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guy and all that Bob I enjoy Bob
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throughout this movie is not right now
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he is a little bit Larry Darrell and
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Darrell but he's quite enjoyable as just
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loyal sidekick guy who keeps saying
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things his lines are all like yes sir
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that's it that's all Bob does i have
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watched him for years I saw him on WKRP
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in the first season and when
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wow that's a really weird guy huh and
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then he was also in a show called best
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of the west from the makers of taxi
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which was a Western thing and he played
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a henchman named fraud
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and that was delightful it's tracy
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Walter is the name of the actor enjoyed
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when the Joker's gang shows up to the
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point guns at all the boss leaders that
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they already have embroidered jackets
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with like patches of the Joker's face
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it's like that's how you know they're
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good management group is that they've
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already like day one we've got invited
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jackets ready to go like the movies of
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marketing behavior yeah yeah that's
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Joker's got all sorts of stuff will see
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even more stuff the Joker's got ready to
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go ready to deploy he's he's crafted
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people in both senses of the word
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oh he's just my type yeah so let's see
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what else I mean jack napier then
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attacks various gangsters Bruce Wayne is
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is stunned and shocked by this Batman
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gets all the headlines even though
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Napier's attacked all the gangsters he's
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very upset that we get this town needs
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an enema that line happens here in this
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in this area again jack nicholson what
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can you say just yeah he's clearing the
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yeah well here is the trailer right be
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he's a whole both of these movies have a
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lot of press conferences in them like a
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lot of press conferences in them a lot
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of on the steps of City Hall the one
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that I find the weirdest is that there
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is the Mafia press conference that the
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Joker and his mind to people that that
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one that one confused me a little bit
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but again i did not live in Gotham in
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1980 night I maybe that's just business
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as usual but like yeah if I'm if I'm
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running the organized crime i would hold
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less press conferences what I'm saying
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maybe none maybe none maybe I mean look
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just throwing that out there huh that's
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the one where nobody notices the
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extremely amateurish minds around the
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yep yep yep you know again I guys you
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guys are older than me i'm just i'm
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assuming a lot about what 1998-1999 was
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like there weren't that many minds all
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the way there are mines and how many
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what was the mind to press conference
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ratio is what i mask it well let me tell
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you about a couple named shields and
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Yarnell era para primes and they were
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huge they had their own show
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they did have yeah the seventies yes
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they did a god I'm suddenly feeling
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younger is anybody there
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there's a point at which vicki vale
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suddenly is way more interested in using
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her newspapers resources to look up
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information about her boyfriend then to
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investigate Batman is she supposed to be
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doing she seems to have a lot of free
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range from her previous highly
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successful photojournalism run in that
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island that she just came back from we
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haven't actually talked a whole lot
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about Vicki Vale and I think there's a
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reason for the hands
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I have to know you think which are an
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amazing apartment
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yes and in one scene she has a Padawan
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braid yeah okay just one little braids
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on the side of her head going down over
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her shoulder she might be a jet by now i
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remember being rather irritated at one
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point watching the movie at some point
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it may not have been the first time but
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at a subsequent watching because when
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they introduce her she's you know shown
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to be very capable award-winning
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globe-trotting photojournalist looking
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for the the heavy hard stories
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yeah um and so it's yet Robert walls
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character you know somewhat
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understandably you're going to chase
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Batman it doesn't quite seem to fit
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um and then about halfway through the
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movie or so all of a sudden there's
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apparently nothing left for kim basinger
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to do then scream or dangle from a Ledge
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or cord or something or faint and it's
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she was doing well she could have
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contributed the amount of her dialogue
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that is her screaming in reaction to
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something is like a lot began well okay
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so I like the scene where she's on the
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rooftop and she immediately starts
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taking pictures of Batman fighting in
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the alley right that's good news sense
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like that that's the scene where I'm
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like okay she's doing her job and of
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course right then uses the Old Cape
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trick to steal the film out of her bra
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but I be on Cape trick you okay yeah
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that does that a lot he's like who
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there's a cape and what happens then
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nobody knows it's under the Cape was a
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mystery that's how Batman does it all
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sorts of magic tricks
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anyway so that's good but then you're
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right a other than that she's mostly a
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damsel i do think that when she when
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Alfred brings her into the Batcave
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toward the end but that's a nice
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where she's being like supportive I i
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find her her support for Bruce nice but
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again that's being supportive and not
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you know but at but at the same time
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she's kind of like breaking down his
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shell so there are moments in there
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whenever she's put in any sort of like
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part of the plot like the wind with the
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Joker the art museum is the most
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disappointing one because although she
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she gives a push back to him a little
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bit you know like when when she goes to
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comfort him with because he got covered
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in water and he's melting like it's just
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dumb like why would you do that in jan
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there's also lots of lots of the
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screaming lots again we're almost at the
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Museum attack actually but I i wanted to
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mention a couple other things I enjoy
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the new TV news as we see it in this
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movie not the first off the outfit on
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the the first anchor woman who dies is
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it looks like it's like a jacket with
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shoulder pads but it looks literally
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looks like she's wearing a parka it is
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so huge and padded it is amazing
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she's not the only one can be a singer
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and Robert wool yeah there's a lot of
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shoulder pad action in this room well
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it's against wasn't talking head suit
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like he's nowhere near the outside is
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what it is but that one first
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anchorwoman is the most extreme of all
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of them but i really loved the joke
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where they discovered that the cosmetics
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are poisoned and they don't know exactly
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where the poison is and then for the
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rest of the the movie the TV anchors
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have no makeup on and they've been made
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to have blemishes and things all over
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their faces that kills me after your
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hair their hair looks awful
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so it doesn't need to be there because
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they don't even have combs anymore it's
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yeah and it's mainly mainly affects TV
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anchors Vicki Vale is doing fine
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Tom you know she's not what she imports
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all of her husband watches ok thank you
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and can accepted and so we're off to the
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museum so uh Vicki give Alfred get a
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call saying she'll be 10 minutes late to
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the museum but to meet Bruce but that is
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a he's not meeting her there so that's a
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bad sign i think that this looks like a
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job for Batman and what happens is the
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gas the Joker the Joker attacks they
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and then immediately the Joker and
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enhancement after everybody drops
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Vicki's got a little mask that she's
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been given by a in a little package and
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told put this on immediately everybody
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drops because of the gas and then the
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Joker and his people walk in which is
[TS]
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interesting because you think there
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would still be gas but they have no
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it's fine it's fine it's time for a
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dance party and finally Prince shows up
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is this good time to talk about princes
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concrete yeah this is the time because
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they play they play a song arm on the
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boom box as they go through and deface
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all the art or Sorry Sorry improve the
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art as Joker would tell us and we play a
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prince song as as that goes on there's
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another prints on later during the
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parade prince was in quite a coup was
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commissioned to basically do in a
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batman-themed album and those songs
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would be in the movie and then the end
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and then what happened was Tim Burton
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said I'm not really interested in that
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you have you heard my boy Elfman he's
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got a really good theme
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yeah well Danny Elfman we could talk
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about that i think that i think this is
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one of my favorite movie scores of all
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time I love the danny elfman score but
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it is kind of amazing that they got an
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entire album by Prince that a lot of
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people really love and it's it's some of
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it is played in the background in a
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couple of scenes but there's literally
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these two scenes where prince comes to
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the fore at all and it's expressed like
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part of the plot right right thats that
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the only use that that Tim Burton has
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four Prince's like if they're playing
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music in the movie will play a prince
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song but otherwise forget it
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otherwise it's just going to be score
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did they pick Prince just because he
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likes purple and the Joker likes purple
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I don't all i think this was again just
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a marketing uh you know the marketing
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behemoth kicking in and he was he was
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like the biggest thing on warner music
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more music yeah and they said let's
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let's make this energy happen
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yeah and he played saturday night live
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during the promotion for this stuff and
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all I can remember is that he did party
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and.and who entrust and he's performing
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those songs on the SNL stage with the
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giant Batman that logo of course lying
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behind them because you know I don't
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know who is intended to be bigger at
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this point prince or Batman
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merchandising well i think that was
[TS]
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where Prince got his idea to change his
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name to a giant symbol gonna be
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unfortunately batman logo was was taken
[TS]
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so we couldn't do that
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Batman princess batman logo hit number
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one on the billboard album chart it was
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it was a it was a big seller even though
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you can barely hear in the movie I just
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I I wonder what movie would be like I I
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feel like a modern a more modern movie
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would have gone all the way with like
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Prince wall-to-wall and I'm not sure
[TS]
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whether that would have been better or
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worse but it would have been very
[TS]
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different from what we get with with
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these two to the two tracks being played
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trust and Parliament and and the music I
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mean just bad dance was the video for
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that was what like 45 minutes or even
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six minutes and it was on every hour on
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mtv furling three days i'm telling you
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the marketing for this movie brilliant i
[TS]
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own a lot of bad songs easily the worst
[TS]
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song i own and that means it's worse
[TS]
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than all of disco Evita is a cover of
[TS]
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batt dance cover we have when i worked
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at a movie theater we had a CD of a
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generic bands versions of various movie
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theme songs because they didn't want to
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pay for the full rights and some poor
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girl had to record it and not use any of
[TS]
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the samples so they had to get a new
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actress into the oh my do to go
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vicki vale vale be keeping that makes me
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feel like I wasted my time memorizing
[TS]
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that song back in the day he got ways to
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shut the investment ship you can get
[TS]
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that back by creating your own cover
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version you've invested in yourself
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every day here from now on they couldn't
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even be bothered to playback dance over
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yeah yeah I know right i mean
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that'sthat's i do think that it's a
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missed opportunity there it's also just
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a sign of the left hand and the right
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hand not knowing what each other was
[TS]
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doing that by tim burton well so I have
[TS]
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a lot of theories about this movie that
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maybe i'll get to before we
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it's a batman returns that but there's
[TS]
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definitely the conflict between the
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studio and the marketing and the giant
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machine and Tim Burton who likes to make
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weird quirky tweet little movies there
[TS]
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was a lot of conflict creatively about
[TS]
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this movie and I think it's amazing that
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that it turns out as well as it does
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given all of that
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well I mean you had John Peters
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producing or executive producing and he
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was kind of insane mom you know and I'm
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sure prince was his idea and and going
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here let's do this and let's do that
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let's do this and and I know that the
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ending was not tim burton's idea that
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wasn't in the script it was John Peters
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going hey would it be awesome if they
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like climb to the top of the cathedral
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and the whole thing took place up there
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and why do we kill Vicki Vale and then
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Batman will get really angry
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it's like okay and and he went ahead and
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had the thing constructed without
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clearing it with anybody was just like
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here this is gonna be the end of the
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movie and they actually and like they
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asked to Burton's like why are we
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climbing to the top of the thing because
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i don't know we'll figure it out when
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you get there and they had to redo that
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so that's that's kinda like the movie a
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microcosm the original screen
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screenwriter was a guy named sam ham and
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then a guy named warrants car and came
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in after it so alliteration was
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absolutely important while riding right
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but I mean yeah thank you
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I and my understanding is the Sam ham
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script was fairly straight and you have
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monkey you have lines that survived of
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the the the rewrite and temperance
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direction that get completely turned
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over like the the Joker cylindrical e it
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you might join me for a week after the
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weird confrontation between Bruce Wayne
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and the Joker and Vicki and he plays it
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for Laughs things like that there is so
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much dissonance in this movie between
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temper and sensibilities and and the
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screenwriters is this a serious movie or
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is tim burton taking the piss out of
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superheroes in general because he's Tim
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you're right it'sit's it's amazing that
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this movie is this is successful as it
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is because these parts don't fit no no
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they really don't know there are other
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parts to that that will get 22 because
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there's that the whole romantic comedy
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part that comes back again later
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that's like a totally other movie said
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that also happens in here it's like When
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Harry Met Sally if Harry was Batman
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hey will but I don't know what she's
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happy so the museum the museum scene i
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like because it is this manic Joker
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dancing around the prince and I think
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that's pretty good
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there's some great dialogue in here this
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is this is quality Joker antics write
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like this is the one-dollar bill i like
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that that's pretty good
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uh I don't know if it's art but i like
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it like he says at that painting the
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one-dollar bill and then a scene later
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he says what he wants is to have his
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face on the one-dollar bill and I like
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to think the Joker just thought of it
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because he just saw panting I like the
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one where they go by the really weird
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painting and he's like I I don't touch
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this one I kinda like it
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they move on its we're creating a move
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on it's good and then and then I I like
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how it all comes together where he tells
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vicki vale I'm an artist I'm a car i'm a
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card until someone dies that's what i do
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and it's like all right I get the Joker
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now is it a night Jerry Hall comes back
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and Jerry Hall yeah exactly who he is
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he's a he's really hide that she's
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wearing them at why she wearing the mask
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and she's acting all weird and then yeah
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she just make it but that man comes to
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say Vicky before we can get more time in
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the in the museum but i just i love the
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museum scene i love i love ya i love the
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whole thing it's weird and and funny and
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and yeah it's good and that leads
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directly into a Batmobile that we have
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never seen yeah that's right before him
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that movie live one note which is the if
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I had to say there's one perfect shot in
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Batman it is probably my favorite shot
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the movie is when he comes through the
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skylight in the museum and the whole
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Cape is like fully now like like you see
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the whole Cape coming down i love that
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that's great and then the whole thing
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where he just sort of worth I think
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no just stands there and fires off as
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very a lot of lot of gadgets and these
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ones that ropes and then slides away and
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out the door and then they get into
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battle which has applied which is this
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wacky again wacky modular CarDekho
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high-tech Batmobile thing
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yeah where did you find the Batmobile in
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all versions for a Batman for decades
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like immediately the comics like oh yeah
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yeah when they had man the animated
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series oh no we're gonna look just like
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this movie and have that bat will be
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really until christian bale batman i
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guess where it's a little more it so
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it's it's a different wider kind of
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platform thing but yeah that's cool cool
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Batmobile huh cool when we said let's
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stop having cool cars have an ugly tank
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yep yeah i mean i really like the
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animated version but this would be my
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second favorite Batmobile so i mean i
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like that it does not look like any
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other car right it's it just looks crazy
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yeah he didn't soup something up now
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like this is a billion the whole way and
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it doesn't even in the backyard and it
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almost doesn't look like a car right
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like it looks more like like a weird
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shoe or something in a copper yeah
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yeah it it's like out torpedo with wheel
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yeah yeah it's a mash-up between the
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chrysler building an sr-71 but it
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doesn't look quite so good it looks
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great when it's still but when they're
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driving around with it i think that
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every out this suspension to tell we
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break down with it it's gonna be hard to
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turn that thing on the link
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yeah yeah it's not just the Batmobile
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though they're there is the chase that
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they go through their there is one
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intersection that it goes through that I
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I'm not kidding you is the most fake
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looking set oh yeah I have never seen in
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a movie where they're driving through
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and it's like that is not a street that
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is not available in public that is that
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is that like that's a backlog but a lot
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of this movie and and like some of the
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street seems the parade to is the same
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where it is just super fake and like
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like minimal effort was made here the
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art direction for Gotham is great but
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like they have like two intersections
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right like they just did and I use them
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and right like really go meet under that
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bridge again yes a parade and the press
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conferences and like you know that like
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the outside of City Hall and the outside
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of the like that movie theater like a
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Chrysler want me to build a block and
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that's able to block you can get away
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with that sort of thing on Star Trek
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cause also all corridors look the same
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right but this this soundstage is so
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distinctive not all your corridors can
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be Crime Alley it doesn't work I'm going
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to let us leave the beauty and without
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distracting everybody with my crackpot
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theory if people would like to hear my
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crackpot theory email me how are you
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you want some more email marketing or
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you can tweet at Mangia Mangia never
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actually quick and ask him for a
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crackpot theory so they get digging in
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an alley they get cotton ali-a Batman
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decides to flee with Vicki up by by
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firing his bat whatever-it-is rope thing
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up and asked her how much she weighs so
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that there's a wait joke that is made
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with i rolled my eyes as well especially
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you already had zip-lined with her like
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yeah I'm not your second you know this
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is not your first rodeo like yeah he
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should know the way we're making fat
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jokes about Kim Basinger really I know
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this is not the most feminist movies
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yeah you don't say sharing like yes they
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loud cheering like 200 pounds of our
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chip is this the most feminist Batman
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movie you see let's dig deeper on this
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i would say it could be worse but it's
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mr. Drazen pieces now could this be what
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could be worse but the way joke it
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stands well you know like i said there
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are moments with Vicki failing I'm like
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alright that's good but yeah there are
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other things that are not but I want to
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talk about I want to talk about the
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fights in the alley because there are a
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whole bunch of Joker's henchmen who come
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to fight Batman in the alley and they're
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like there's like a fighter guy and then
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there's like a ninja and Tony to answer
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your question in the in the late
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eighties in Gotham City
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did we have a lot of ninjas in the
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actual answers oh god yes yes there were
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so many ninjas and there are some here
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some of the henchmen turned out to be
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ninjas everything I know about New York
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City is formed from the Ninja Turtles
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movie not the michael bay 1 and the
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Warriors so i see i have no problems
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with this scene so you're missing humble
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and rocks which is any key component it
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has the whole alpine part of New York
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City its means and and here we see one
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of the biggest limitations of this movie
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that I never noticed back in 1989 but in
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the days of the Marvel Cinematic
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Universe i'm totally scene which is your
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hero cannot move ya soon so damn big
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these these fight scenes probably looked
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great when we have nothing to compare
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them to but he they're not moving you're
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although the bad guys bad guys moving in
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Batman like either steps out of the way
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or just punches them because that's
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about all he could I mean he gets shot
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several times and I guess he's just
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tough enough that they bounce often i
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mean i can remember i am NOT approaching
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this movie with the level of nostalgia
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that the rest of the team here is and
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yeah all these action sequences fall
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pretty yes you're younger than us
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yeah there's a scene where you can tell
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what they wrote up was Batman beat up
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all the thugs and in the background that
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Joker dances with Vicki fail and it
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looks great down and boy takes a long
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time to beat up those thugs he can't
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even bend your waist plus the books did
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the usual thing and they went at a one
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or two at a time
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well it's sorted they're simple learning
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center rules never thinks to swarm
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answer one of them just falls through
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the floor without touching him huh
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that's the Batman that good so I mean
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for me there's three pillars
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Batman right okay tell me more alright
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I mean we're getting some church a
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Batman stuff going on here this good
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ever know three pillars of Batman you
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didn't stop me so here I go
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gadgets detective work and you know
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ninja skills this movie realize pretty
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heavily on one pillar of Batman I i
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would prefer to see a little bit more of
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an even distribution across the three
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pillars is what I'm saying
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so are you saying you want a more
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holistic but i want ya i want a more
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complete Batman if you are looking to
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become think how can you be a more
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complete Batman right to modify ashley
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and i'll forward that to me
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possibly with some editorializing yeah
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mmm yeah the the suit this i think the
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suit looks great but he can't handing
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them know well it looks great when he's
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not moving in which is most of the time
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ready kazi and burton thought anything
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else didn't look threatening enough and
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see you know looking threatening is not
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the the key thing with Batman he's got
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to be able to move
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yeah but one thing you think of when you
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think of bats is a mobility I I do
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really like the scene that comes up here
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when they're riding back to the Batcave
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in the Batmobile and kim basinger starts
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to look at him and his space and all
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that he turns on the light
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yes and it shines in her face so she
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can't see and she kind of raises her
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hand and that and the the score comes up
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and they blast through this you know
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through the the down that country road
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and into the hidden entryway to the
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Batcave i love that whole thing that's
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like super mystery Batman he's not going
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to let you look at his head his mouth
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and chin to figure out who is there's a
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light he's got to stop people from doing
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that if they if he takes a passenger on
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in the Batcave he keeps turning his head
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to keep himself shadow tushy gaseum yeah
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it's a superhero actually worried about
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whether or not people can see his face
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yes as opposed to the the as opposed to
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Batman Returns which we'll get to in a
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minute or any of your movie spider-man
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these days it could be that mask in
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media and the drop of a hat
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it is so I romantic comedy starts
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suddenly there's a there's a whole plot
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where Bruce is trying to tell her that I
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that he's Batman he's gonna admit it
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he's gonna let let let that loose
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except he can't do it and and uh she
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says he's a jerk and then and then it
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says so shut up and he pushes her down
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which I'm like yeah that's not actually
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that cool but ok it's the eighties it's
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a romantic comedy alright and then he's
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he struggles to get things out and she
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thinks he's married but he's trying to
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admit and in fact would probably have
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said on that man at some point if the
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Joker doesn't knock on the door and then
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our romantic comedy becomes a sort of
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weird romantic comedy crime tension
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NAA source i will cite later says that
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this was kind of any impactors improv
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moment in the movie and it just doesn't
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fit by this point Robert will have been
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off the screen for a good 30 40 minutes
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and he's not coming
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yeah he's not it was a very good 32
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different hits just a different movie in
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this in this part there's that I mean
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there's some nice bits in here uh the
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the Bruce Wayne when he comes in he says
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he comments on our honor apart right
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nice apartment right Monty nice place
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lots of space and then so when the Joker
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comes in he says nice place lots of
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space and like they say the same things
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that was that was kinda funny but you
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know Bruce Wayne provokes the Joker come
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on let's get nuts
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I don't really understand why he does
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it seems weird is the plan is for him to
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we're right where he has the little
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metal tray so that he doesn't die
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I don't know it is a little coincidental
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yeah I I don't understand why this scene
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is the way it is because because if
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anyone if the Joker is going to shoot
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why would he aim for the heart he would
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do like various parts of the body i want
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you twitch and you know yet he would
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name you and make you hurt until you're
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it's Chinatown it's trying to town shake
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at my only explanation and it's not a
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is the idea that that Bruce Wayne is
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trying to be chivalrous and by time to
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yeah and if you keep intention on
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himself and not Vicki less likely that
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she's going to get her that but like I
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said that still weak as water and it's a
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really strange scene and it's because
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they need the Joker to shoot Bruce there
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so that he can say the dance with the
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yeah which he always knows when he kills
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people accept all those other times when
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he doesn't say we kill people have a
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right to killed several people by this
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one saat yeah also that one time he said
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it and pointed the gun to get in and
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didn't didn't do it so you know yet but
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he always telling you always done if you
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missed it was being prepared
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ok so he's not the most consistent guys
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now I'm just I'm just grumbling about
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that plot point so when he says that
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though Michael Keaton does reaction that
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is kind of a cool moment
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speaking of the Joker's a brilliant
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plans let's talk about his latest
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brilliant plan which is he's gonna have
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a parade where he's going to drop 20
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million in cash on the crowd for the
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that's the a4 everything party or
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whatever and uh it's uh it's weird
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because very long
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yeah yeah because first off first of its
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kind of unclear about what's going on
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and and the beginning again i'm going to
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point out at the beginning of that scene
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when the parade get started there's like
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seven people there for the citywide raid
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with 20 million catch seven people
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no cops the same intersection that we've
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seen several times before and a very
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small like two lane street
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yeah these huge budgets were not spend
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on extras now I which is technically got
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it all yeah i mean when we jump ahead to
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Batman Returns there's not that many
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people at that tree lighting so well you
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know what every year so not watch it at
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home from on television television yeah
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there's more prints in the in the parade
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those who get we get a little bit like
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that and i actually was reminded in the
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first sam raimi spider-man movie they
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have the hooray for everything festival
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where the green goblin attacks people
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and there's balloons and stuff and this
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is it's very much the same scene as this
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except of course that actually is like
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in Times Square and has lots of people
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you know computer-generated people but
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lots of people and i was i was reminded
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of that while watching this
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this is the the low budget version where
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they have one block and you know 20
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extra I wondered how much they spent on
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the sequence where Batman is angry and
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he drives his car to the chemical plant
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blows everything up because i thought
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yeah that seems expensive and didn't
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yeah just rolls rolls the Batmobile and
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drop some bombs blows up access
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chemicals and and drives off like yay
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take that chemical plants the movie did
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not have enough explosions so think it's
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a good thing nobody was in there
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yep so robert wall makes this triumphant
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reappearance here Monty you're going to
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roberts he's totally doing what of
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reporter at an event would do which is
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he tells the photographer take pictures
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that expect funny good good tip take for
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pictures and then he writes a headline
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out loud as he's taking pictures
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Gotham's greed this is not how
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journalism works this is not water
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reporter does but at least robert
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wallace back he knows the idea of
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journalism there's been quite a little
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earlier where he yells copy and times
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completely unprepared for the kid right
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next to say yes sir
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don't have any copy for that it
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don't have any copy for that it
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if you haven't written a word liar
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anyway there's a bit there's a bad plane
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yeah Jason Jason that nice movie you got
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here I like the Batmobile but we need to
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how can you help me out what if what if
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we have a bad plane that looks like the
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Batman logo and he flies in front of the
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Moon thereby creating a batman logo
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okay that sounds great however i've only
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got about eight bucks for the budget so
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you can never have that appear next to
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any actual actors because we're going to
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make maybe like have you make a model of
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it is that ok what we're going to do is
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we're going to make a bad plane model
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that's going to fly around and then
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we're going to have a thing that we put
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on like a golf cart that we dragged
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along r1 street and and and what we'll
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have is the bad plane will just get shot
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by a gun and and crash and again another
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young about apparently the original
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script called for the choker to have a
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tank to shoot the bad play down and then
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for budgetary reasons his tank is
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replaced with a gun home a gun while
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somewhere in here is the scene that is
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most tim burton e in the movie to me
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which is when the plane grabs all the
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balloons and flies away
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oh yeah those balloons I'm positive are
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based on the same sketches that led to
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nightmare before christmas know those
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blues are the same toys that are under
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trees because those more than anything
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else the movie say hi I'm Tim Burton I
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like stuff that looks like this
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yeah I do like that scene where Batman's
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got his like a little claw or whatever
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on the bad plane that can grab the
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balloons and and it leads to the the
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Joker getting very upset he took my
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I love that he had that yeah that the
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parts that part's good a poor Bob I like
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the idea that the balloons themselves
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are full of poison gas and will be
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released on the unsuspecting public
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that's kind of fun you can think about
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that when you're watching the
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thanksgiving parade next year that's i
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mean that's like that classic Joker
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style plot right i mean i'm down yeah oh
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yeah oh yeah why is it that they get
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bigger as the gas is released
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I'm just confused about that point it's
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physics everything with distance in that
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entire sequence does not make any sense
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like the size of the balloons or
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whatever size they need to be the
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proximity of the balloons to the Joker
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is whatever they need to be it
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yeah it's don't worry about it
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everything's great that point though we
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get action hero robert wall because he
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master himself except a baseball bat
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what is he doing you're not the hero of
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this movie sir you don't know that they
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could rename it later call it knocks man
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yeah this thing is hard time cap it's
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the journalists in the bad man that'll
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be wanted to go you know he could just
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as easily be in the suit to do we really
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know this the scene ends with the climax
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where they all run up into a tower and
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fight because there's always a towering
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it all follows yeah you're right exactly
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right hand there's got to be a tower and
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here it is a giant Bell falls down an
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oxide stairs so that no one can chase
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them up except also conveniently at the
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top of the tower there's like ten Joker
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goons that doesn't make any sense
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uh-huh yeah I don't know when those guys
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came from don't worry about it
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they're there and again it's it's a
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variety of goods yeah they're judging
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goons and there's ninja goon yeah this
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is you know cartwheeling goon yeah mhm
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diversification yeah yeah you got a
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different kinds of guns and that allows
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the Joker to dance and make jokes while
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Batman has to fight various goons well
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yeah this is this is not one of my
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favorite parts of the movie sounds like
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the perfunctory we have to have a boss
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fight at the end of the movie thing
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yeah and that's what it you know knowing
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that now it kind of shows through in the
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yeah because tim burton didn't want to
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do that now for the ending that there's
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a problem you always have with batman
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vs. the Joker which is Batman is strong
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in the Joker isn't yeah so if that man
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punches Joker even once that's kind of
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the end of the game
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yeah once you get to the Joker you
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once you can get get to him yeah well
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and we'll see this again in batman
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returns but in the comics you know
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Joker's got this wiry insane strength
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and Batman happens did not be wearing
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armor so it's a bit of a fairer fine
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and yet we have just completely missed
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actually the the issue that of Batman
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secret origin which they're about to
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have out here on top of this bill I I so
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yeah they we get the dance with the
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devil in the pale moon
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like all that and it's revealed that
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like i said earlier that the Joker uh we
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went jet when he was young jack napier
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he was the one who shot Bruce Wayne's
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parents and there's that moment of like
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you you know you created me and you
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created me uh and even the Joker the
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Joker makes fun of that immediately
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oh sure you got to say that I say you
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are you crazy you got to say I created
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you like he doesn't even listen to him
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so how do people feel about this in the
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context of the movie i don't i don't
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like it in the context of Batman but
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maybe it works I don't mind it here it
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as a single movie find their dark
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mirrors of each other that gives him a
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little extra but that's fine i don't
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mind did the writers trying to add some
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depth in here somewhere
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well that was Burton's idea ok i like
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the idea that we get Batman's origin in
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passing and to make it yet to make it
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relevant in some way I think you could
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have probably made it relevant where he
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was killed by somebody like jack napier
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and not have it literally be him and
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still have a connection there because
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that's an awful lot of coincidence but
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it's fine and you know and that's
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sometimes that this is handled in
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I mean I used the person who is usually
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identified its the killer is this
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character called Joe Chill and even that
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some people did not like because they
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like the idea of more that like the you
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know that we will he will never know
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right and that he and right he will go
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out every night and fight crime and
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never happened he's never going to be
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able to 100% Avengers parents because as
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some faceless hood is the person and you
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know he has to fight all crime to to
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confront that as opposed to like nope
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it's a guy he's got a name and a face
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and maybe I can get him even some days
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and they're terribly there's at least
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one story where that happens so to then
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make it even be the joker
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huh yeah not a fan yeah that's that's
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the point actually that glint and here's
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where i cite the previous source of Glen
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Weldon from pop culture happy are wrote
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a really really good book i really love
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the caped crusade and his argument is
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that by doing this by making the Joker
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the guy who killed Batman's parents
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you've turned this from a hero story
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into a revenge entry fee and and
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as far as Batman goes I don't like it
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but as far as a self-contained movie
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where spoiler alert the Joker dies at
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yeah it kind of makes sense to sort of
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wrap it all up in the one store
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ok I'll by-the-sea see my my headcanon
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is that was that mean it probably still
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is that it's not really the Joker or
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jack napier or whoever you want to call
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them at that point it's that that's what
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Batman is imagining now and that every
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night he goes out he sees someone
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different doing it and that's part of
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his part of his little quirk about that
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is psychosis about that so you know to
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me it doesn't have to be the Joker in
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this but it makes sense that he would
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picture him this time so that I think
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this is basically the end of the movie
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they they they fight they go for one
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last press conference
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yes that's right there's a cliffhanger
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and then they reverse and then the Joker
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drops and dies and and there's a press
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conference and Commissioner Gordon
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explains that they've been given a bat
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signal and we pan of intensity CA
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vigilantes and AH gave us the signal we
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needed one because we didn't have any
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spotlights so nobody turn it on though
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because that is going to rich
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yeah you could be and that's that's a
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that's Batman I i was i saw this movie a
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lot in the I guess early nineties and I
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was a little worried to revisit it
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because i haven't revisited in quite a
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while and you know I i enjoyed watching
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it it's got lots of issues but I i like
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the the the way it looks and I like
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Michael Keaton and I like Jack
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Nicholson's totally wild performance and
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I you know I I i enjoyed watching it
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even though it's definitely of you know
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what did everybody else think about this
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one I continue to enjoy it
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yeah not only as much as I did the first
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time I saw it we've had a lot more
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superhero movie since then right i mean
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that is is that this was the novelty of
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a movie like a big-budget movie with
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real actors about Batman it was kind of
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a big I mean not just the marketing part
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was a big deal to have this much talent
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make and money assembled to make a
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superhero movie and now of course we get
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to eight or ten days a year but
[TS]
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comparing it to modern superhero movies
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everyone now wants everybody to make
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sense they try like especially DC movies
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we try to have motivations for all the
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characters but a madman like tim burton
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is willing to say all right jack
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nicholson remember Cesar Romero double
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yeah that's when my brother made me
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watch batman begins and we're talking
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about you haven't seen Batman Begins yet
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oh my god you have to see Batman Begins
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i'm watching batman begins and I've got
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this movie competing with it in the back
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I almost I want up disliking batman
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begins because it was too much of an
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effort to make Batman realistic and yes
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and when you when you when you get to
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the point where Bruce Wayne puts on bat
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it's got to be a whole lot weirder
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otherwise i'm sitting here going why is
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he putting on bad ears if i love this i
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love the 1989 batman because it is just
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weird enough to make me forgive a whole
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lot of stuff that doesn't make sense i
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think mostly holds up as you said you
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know taking into account that yes it
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this is tim burton and and tim burton
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has a unique vision but um it holds up
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for be overall i have quibbles aplenty
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here and there but i can still sit down
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and watch it again and enjoy most of it
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yeah I enjoyed as a fusion of a little
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bit of the Adam West style a little bit
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of Gary Miller a little bit of Danny
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O'Neil you know a little bit of neal
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adams i love that it
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spawned it sort of gave us the animated
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series which is my favorite Batman of
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all and and for me I mean Batman Begins
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i really liked it when I saw it in the
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theater and then you know I i didn't
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watch it for a while and then the Dark
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Knight came out I well I should rewatch
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batman begins and I didn't like it as
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much and i still have not gotten all the
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way through dark knight rises because it
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is just so oppressively wrong and you
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know and so in retrospect I like the
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Nolan movies less and less as they went
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on and I still really enjoy this
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I don't need the plot to make total
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sense I just think that's good
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well i'm watching yeah that's not going
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to mean it's more like comic book
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actually it is that it is very
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straightforward in a way that so many of
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these movies that have multiple villains
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aren't like look the Joker is bad and
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he's crazy and he wants to cause cause
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trouble for Batman and he is interested
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in Vicki Vale and making him is this
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next art project and he wants to kill
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people in Gotham City like I mean that
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he doesn't have a grand said
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imaginations that are going to lead to
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an outcome hehe is just a comic book
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villain who's trying to do bad stuff and
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Batman stops him that's I you know it's
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refreshing in that way that that's kind
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of all there is to this movie it's dead
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that's it it's like there's Batman
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there's the Joker they interact and did
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the Joker plunges off of a building in
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his dead and that's it
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Tony your verdict on Batman I it's fine
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the people who made this should not be
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hunted down and killed for sport
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oh no this this is for its future it's
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so many bad memories current anyone I i
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like the version of The Joker I I think
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I'm less impressed with this version of
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Batman than than the rest of you to me
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he's a little blah the action sequences
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have not aged particularly well but
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maybe they were more exciting at the
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no I do like weirdo Bruce Wayne I had
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not remember that and that was that was
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kind of a treat to discover that but I'd
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I feel like I mean and this is this is
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not necessarily a problem with this
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movie so much as a lot of Batman and
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general is sometimes Batman is not very
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exciting and it's his villains that are
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the interesting fun and I get the sense
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that maybe tim burton does not care that
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much about Batman and that this movie is
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kind of only a lot more about the Joker
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and this whole will talk about Batman
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Returns shortly but Batman it can be
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boring and I think he's especially
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boring when he's just kinda by himself
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and that's why I think a lot of stories
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he gets paired with other people and
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that that's gonna be fun whether that's
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Robin or Commissioner Gordon and we get
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a little bit of that here with with
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vicki vale but not a lot and so Batman I
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in this particular film comes across as
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kind of boring a lot and I think that's
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a little unfortunate when Commissioner
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Gordon is a nonentity in this to which
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yeah i mean he's there but I want to
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springboard off something Tony said
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because dangerous coming out of this
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absolutely everyone talked about how
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much fun jack nicholson was and nobody
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talked about Michael Keaton and everyone
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said oh I get it
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the villains are the interesting part of
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the villains add the color and the
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excitement to the story and I think that
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led directly to what happens in batman
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mmm yeah I think you're right yeah yeah
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I mean Keaton is easily my favorite
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thing in the movie and like I said he's
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still my favorite movie Batman so Batman
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Returns then happened and i'm pretty
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sure i'm going to tell you how i feel
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about batman returns so that was that
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was nineteen ninety two three years
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so I've got a theory about batman
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returns I will I will give you my full
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disclosure upfront i saw batman returns
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in the theater in 1992 and I hated it
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and i have not seen it since and i
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watched it for this podcast and let me
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ah twenty-one-year-old me has excellent
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taste in detecting haha because batman
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returns is a piece of crap and i will i
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will argue with those who think
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otherwise but here's here's my theory
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because i think it's i think it's
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garbage i think it is I think it is so
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terrible and and seeing it again
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yeah it's so terrible but here's the
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here's the reason why one tim burton i'm
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not a tim burton fan
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Batman is a movie that is compromised by
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all of the studio oversight the producer
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oversight the marketing message all of
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that Tim Burton has said he doesn't like
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Batman the movie he doesn't like it he's
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not he thinks it's boring
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I think Batman is not a movie the timber
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and really wanted to make or like to
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make and he didn't get to make the movie
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he wanted and investment returns after
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Batman with such a financial success
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they let tim burton make whatever he
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wanted and the result is a terrible
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movie because the only reason Batman is
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watchable is because they didn't let tim
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burton be Tim Burton because tim burton
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being tim burton is the recipe for a bad
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movie not a bad movie but not a good
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comic book movie i chatted with Glenn
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weldon at a book release party and i
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told him that i was a guy i really loved
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the book although I thought he was too
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unkind to the tim burton movies and he
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said that is an opinion that some people
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have and so but after the first is so I
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was thinking about batman returns as I
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I watched it for the first time just
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before we started recording and I Oh
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Glenn weldon an apology
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so as you know this movie is not good
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my problem is i wanted i want to defend
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tim burton I don't want to defend this
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movie which is garbage
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well I'll put it out put it this way
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Monty I can see how reasonable people
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would like some of Tim Burton's movies I
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don't they don't work for me and I
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either i think we're talking in our
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slack earlier about how i feel about tim
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burton movies like how some people feel
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about wes anderson movies which is they
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feel all exactly the same to me
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whatever the sensibility is that he's
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trying to get across it obviously really
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works for him and people who like his
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movies and it doesn't work for me like I
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just it's all just noise to me I i find
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it all unpleasant in with some
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exceptions like dead wood made pee-wee's
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big adventure is a good example right
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but a lot of the movies he makes I don't
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really love that man returns though I
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feel like is is everything I don't like
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about a Tim Burton movie like multiplied
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and it concentrated well let me put it
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this way i am tuned into tim burton to
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the point where I kind of enjoyed the
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Dark Shadows movie it was not as
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annoying as I thought it was going to be
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Batman Returns I can't stand
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I think there's it i don't think he gets
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any of the quirkiness and it's just the
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surface level stuff
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oh no it's all I've got it's too much
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pork if I want to list a couple more my
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theories here which is which is I do
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think that this is one of those movies
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that really lets us down the path of hey
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what if we had more villains in
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superhero movies it's a terrible idea i
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don't know if it's ever been done well
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where they've added like multiple
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supervillains in a superhero movie and
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had it work out to improve the movie and
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I don't think it does it here either so
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I think that's part of the problem and I
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think fundamentally and this came up
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earlier Tim Burton totally doesn't think
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Batman is interesting and for the
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largest part of Batman Returns Batman is
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not even around it is really the story
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of the penguin and catwoman and Batman
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is like the doofus who shows up and hugs
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them sometimes I'll got that was one of
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the things that drove me nuts this time
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I remember watching this I don't think I
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saw it in the theater but i think i saw
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it on a cable channel or on a on VHS
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afterwards at some point and it
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irritated me at the time thinking like
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you know they really could have done
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better a better job with Catwoman
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this was before I really knew Selina
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Kyle's Catwoman's origins in in the
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comics I hadn't seen the animated series
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yet and this origin story
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neither of these origin stories make any
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he says it's she falls all falls out of
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a window and and fall to her death
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except she's hit a few awnings on the
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way down but then cats swarm her and
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Jason she stays on you I to explain to
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you how magic works i I'm just saying I
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wasn't aware that that that is looking
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after strange movie that woman is like a
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Cat spirit totem person or something but
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that's what this movie once but also
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that penguins raised a baby
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yeah well there to be fair to be fair I
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think there's the implication that he
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was also raised by the circus and just
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wasn't mentioned all right okay for
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being our reason that Maxie there who
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will speak for the circus i will speak
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specifically its ok awning had a picture
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of it out on it i did and they were just
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talking about the heads before she felt
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she got possessed by an awning spirit is
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that what you're telling me she know
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that would have been on any woman but
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what happens if if you say I'm not a cat
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and then you fall through an awning with
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a picture of a cat and then cats come
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around you you are forced to start
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talking all sorts of cat medical person
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for the whole one point try to wash
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yourself by licking your hand what the
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animal animal theme right i mean that's
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it is penguin and catwoman so we're
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going to have lots of animals and and at
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one point there's like I'm not a human
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being I'm an animal is something that so
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Danny DeVito is the penguin and machine
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now i'm going to show you shall find her
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she'll fight for his cat lineart is
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selina kyle Christopher Walken is Max
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Schreck named after the star of nice
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verado he dresses like Scrooge in A
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Christmas Carol which is just how about
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that makeup i like when they introduce
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him he said he's in a meeting
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so you know he's probably not so great
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and he's wearing gloves inside so you
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know he's really evil
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yeah he's also very clearly modeled
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after Donald Trump I'm not kidding he's
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very clearly modeled on absolutely
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practically his last line is you're
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this movie was actually a little
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uncomfortable to watch after the
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election now tell you living in the new
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york area at the time that with
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everybody was like wow he's like goth
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Donald Trump whoa
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he was the only good thing in the movie
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well i was gonna say the for me the only
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three good things in the movie
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christopher walken yes the fact that
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Michael Keaton finally gets top billing
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an event info k you know yeah but he had
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a fourth most lines pay now and in the
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fact that the words to the music in this
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were really easy to memorize I like the
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I like the part where all the Penguins
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are come on the march i watch that twice
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that was my hair part not be entirely
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fire some some rockets
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yeah rocket which the Penguins have the
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Penguins have targeting radicals
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dropping over their eyes they have
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targeting monocles y to the Penguins
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have remote control
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sorry possibly carry his corpse to the
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water at the end
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yes they did make sure you did there's a
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very nice sort of penguin ceremony they
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tating Majesty is this your first
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penguin funeral yep there's yeah but
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it's this this movie so so yeah the lab
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since of Batman he just disappears for
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for a large portion of the movie the
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penguin stuff I found not interesting
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Christopher Walken is he is the best
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thing in the movie i like i like him
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it's a bizarre performance but i really
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enjoy it well it's one yeah yeah and I
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think that's probably a problem that the
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the that's orthogonal to the whole mood
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right notion of Batman
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yeah I want to follow him and see what
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he's up we'll match trek to next and the
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answer is he gets killed by the cat by
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Catwoman at the end by I feel like that
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yeah I thought about that he's like the
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Robert will love this movie
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if that's the s I've never heard driver
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will always Christopher Walken compared
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yeah we want water for walk-ins are huh
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I just just gonna say that generate that
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just for teaching you do not want to
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mess with that drives me nuts of the the
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the way they had some of for me one of
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the strengths in the movie was post
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transformation Catwoman Pfeiffer you
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know then that and it was really
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entertaining that they even had to
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transform her in the first place I mean
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Selina Kyle in the comics is it a rich
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lady who decides to you know start
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stealing jewelry or whatever but no
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they're going to have to transform
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Michelle Pfeiffer tried to make her a
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frump so that they can turn everything
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very old glamour Woman out towards your
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glasses corndog yes I and there were so
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many good points
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hidden inside the Catwoman story the the
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idea of her trying to become her own
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vigilante because at first she's you
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know she your first thing she does is
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rescue a woman although she's very upset
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that the woman let herself get caught in
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the first place and then she turns to
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destruction of going after Schrag it
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then it turns into this weird unresolved
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sexual tension between her and between
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Catwoman Batman that just comes out of
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nowhere and makes no sense their moves
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are so totally weird so weird
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it emphasizes the other thing I
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hate about this movie which is how dumb
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Batman is for the first two-thirds of
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yeah he's the world when he shows up
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he's done the world's greatest detective
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your detective skills i wrote down at
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one point the world's greatest detective
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with a bunch of question marks and then
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like three lines down in my notes it
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says oh now the world's greatest
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detective is punching clowns that is
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what that many other members interests I
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will I will I will also check in with
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with my wiser friends here about what it
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was like when this movie came out I was
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still a child and I recall it being
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weird that this movie I was still like a
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vehicle for shuffling action figures
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that kids even though it was so much
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more violent and had like the sexual
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themes to it that the video even amalia
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think people if it's that I don't you
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want to do with that felt weird uh i
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mean i remember seeing like like kids
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dressed up as catwoman for halloween
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like young children and be like this
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analysis weird yeah this is not run
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harley quinn me this this year lots of
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people went to see it lots of people i
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mean probably went back for second
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feelings but when you've got Paul Bearer
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penguins you don't know what to do with
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Paul Bearer people i'm ok with that part
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yeah no one knew what to do I have
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benefit memories i don't know why i
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remember this of Joan Rivers when she
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had her TV show and she has this gossip
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columnist or press you know somebody who
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was on the celebrity circuit talking
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about like one of the one of the
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pre-release parties or something for for
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the movie and she showing Joan Rivers
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this paperweight that's designed so that
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was one of the big things was it was
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Christmastime it was snow snow
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everywhere so there was this glass
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paperweight with the Batman logo inside
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it and if you tilted at the snow would
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move across it and here's Joan Rivers
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plain-looking with this thing playing
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with it going what the hell is this
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that that that felt like the general
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reaction after once the movie was out
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it's like what the hell is this the
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buzzwords were there
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penguin Catwoman Batman's back and while
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that man back really well they didn't
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bother with anything so yeah was
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worthwhile i mean i remember at the time
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thinking you know remembering back three
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years to all the marketing push and
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everybody saw the logo and everything
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was bright and bold and fun and you know
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just the logo itself was you know black
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and gold and just just jumped out at you
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and this did not have any of that it
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didn't have a song you know again
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whatever we think of the songs and all
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it didn't have a song playing every hour
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on mtv it didn't have anything bouncy
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the only thing you ever saw was dark and
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snow and ice and and their three phases
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and they looked so c is also it it's an
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xmas movie it's set at Christmastime and
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it was released in june so perfect
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timing that one of the one of the pieces
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that was taken out of the first batman
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movie was or heavily reduced was the
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notion of the Batman and Joker being
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parts different sides of the same coin
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there's a head newspaper headline in an
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early script that was taken out where
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the headline is war of the freaks and
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they seemed to rediscover that idea for
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this movie because they put so much
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effort into turning pink winning
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Catwoman into freaks and also playing
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with the idea of Batman as they feel
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weak and tim burton seems to be so
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fascinated with that he forgets to make
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a superhero movie or just have Batman
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he's not interested in Batman he Tim
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Burton very clearly as bored by Batman
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and so this is a movie about the about
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Catwoman and penguin really and there's
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a little bit of satire about him running
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for for mayor and there's the L and
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there's max Shreck trying to manipulate
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things and all of that but but that man
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doesn't get a lot of time Bruce Wayne
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gets a little time sort of like in his
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again there's this other thread which is
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his attraction to Selina Kyle and
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Batman's attraction to Catwoman and
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that's that feels like something out of
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the comics a little bit and when we get
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to the very love that yeah yeah I I'll i
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think that's I think that's one of my
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grandma definitely strong parts that
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yeah let these two really good actors
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give them this really tangled issue let
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Michelle Pfeiffer after she after she
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gets dumped out of the window and when
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she's not in the cat suit is fascinating
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yeah except in that scene where she's
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sewing that the scene where she comes
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back to her apartment and just yeah that
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is and then shows her thing i hate that
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seen a library then she pulls it
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yeah that the reason I don't think this
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was all tim burton's idea is he would
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rather have the freaks be the heroes
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instead of the villains sure like he
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would rather do Edward Scissorhands then
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have the guy who's yeah shunned by
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society be actually ugly and horrible
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like Danny DeVito I mean Danny DeVito's
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Eric he's making to go with like well
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what can I do with the Batman movie to
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give it to get what I want it's like to
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have these two have these characters
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like this i'm a little surprised that
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Catwoman ends up ends up killing max at
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the end because it seems kind of
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unnecessary she they they kiss over a
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Taser to it's really stupid
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oh yeah now he did kill her first true
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but I think I feel like that would be an
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interesting moment of like I issue
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batteries she good
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like maybe maybe maybe she's more
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complicated than that because that
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character is kind of like that she's a
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little bit of both and then the penguin
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this is more irredeemable but you know
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that's again you know that they're in
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the end it is about them just sort of
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like having a moment on the stage and
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then sort of a perfunctory I guess
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Batman needs to clean this up at the end
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because it's that kind of movie
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yeah I do like that little clever bit at
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the beginning of the movie before she
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takes her tumble when she's who wins
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Lena car was mugged and she's so mousing
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all this other stuff and Batman saves
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her and the Taser still lying there and
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then she just get this glint in the eye
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and she teases the unconscious thug and
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that I do like that little bit because
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that's that sort of suggest you that
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yeah she is kind of broken inside and
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got a lot of repressed anger and stuff
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well i think that the the Catwoman
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thread for me that the Salina call
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Catwoman thing for me feels like the
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weather it's the script or whether it's
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Burton I don't know but it feels like
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first week shaky step towards women
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having agency because you know she's one
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of the reasons I think she's she's going
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to kill Shrek at the end is because you
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know this is a step she can take to
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finally get her for revenge on him that
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one line just killed me
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um i would love to you know go live in
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your castle and be your fairy princess i
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would love that but i would hate myself
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you know because she sees even that you
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know is is giving in a way there's
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there's a really good idea buried in
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there that we only get glimpses I my
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note says despite the dick jokes that
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happened in this uh i think in providing
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the brew Selena relationship is the best
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thing in the movie like other the other
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than other than yeah walkin doing
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walking because that's weird and quirky
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and it's like she's got a secret
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identity he's got a secret identity
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they're both really messed up they meet
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when she walks into the office where
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were walking is convinced that he he
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killed her the night before and she just
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walks in and he's like what's going on
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and then that's also when Bruce Wayne is
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there and they meet and so that's kind
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of electric it all that is is pretty
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cool because that's that's a weird I
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mean I mean there's your Tim Burton
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movie right it's like that freak Cesare
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the heroes like Bruce and selina are
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kind of freaks but they're also kind of
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the leads and the heroes here and and it
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that stuff kind of works and some of the
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Batman Catwoman stuff works too but
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that's you know again that then then a
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monkey delivers a note of regret from
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Batman removal i remember going into all
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the press the only press I remember
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about Batman Returns was talking about
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Sean Young trying to become yeah right
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oh they were worried about her like
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sneaking onto the set at in the car in a
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costume she made herself and sneaking
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into Tim Burton's office she was
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supposed to be the original Vicki Vale
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and she got hurt and they had to recast
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basing her so again apparently she
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really really wanted to be in a movie
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made me uncomfortable at the time
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because they were really casting her as
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Young who was so desperate for working
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show up on talk shows and beg for it
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yeah haha this movie has some
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interesting things to try to say about
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misogyny and yet it does it is almost
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performs the misogyny more than it
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comments on it man explains it or Batman
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penguin is awful Max Schreck is awful
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and Catwoman is sort of this perfect
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victim kind of character and it's almost
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like they it's up there with bits of
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this in the first batman movie with Jack
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Nicholson's character you know I didn't
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you look good jack
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I didn't ask and all this other stuff
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but they amp it up in this movie as
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though they're trying to make a point
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about it i and III don't think they
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succeed in Michael Keaton's last scene
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about goodwill toward men and women just
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doesn't google yeah i think that a last
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person to do a pass on the screenplay
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just put in a million stupid quips
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yeah like towards the last half of the
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movie it's full of things like I haven't
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been fed all day eat floor do you have
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fiber lot of dark yeah my kitty litter
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and all my notes are so my heart I say
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that the office I don't think he did the
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final pass on it but the main credited
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screenwriter had his previous film was
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Hudson Hawk which is a much better
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feeling much better film it's much
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better than this will all it's so much
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one thing i want to mention about this
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and then I I'm pretty much done with the
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things for me to say about the movie
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because I I don't like haha ok but Jason
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you haven't even done the plot outline
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yeah that's not gonna happen i fly i am
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amused by the scene where do when the
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penguin is trying to give a speech again
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another press conference in Tony you
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have your love hacked your hacked by
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Batman and Alfred using a CD desi yeah
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and that makes me laugh because they
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they turn the tables on him in the end
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he does a little bit of scratching there
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and then later in the movie
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Alfred is like a a freaker with
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frequency jamming powers who turns the
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Penguins around and like go Alfred and
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it's ridiculous an awful and and doesn't
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fit but it's also funny and the
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culmination of that Batman shows up and
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he's got his bat remote that controls
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the Penguins and the penguin gets the
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remote from him and then presses the
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yeah which blows everything up and it's
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like I don't I don't
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yeah why is I think it was the things
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listed it was it's like a homing thing
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and that whoever presses the button it's
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going to blow up that thing and then and
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so Batman's just tricking the penguin
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into taking jason your season tech
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journalists is that how buttons work
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yep that's how it works
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it's a red button Tony red button that
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means things explode if you push it come
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ok thankyou standards the iso standard
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for buttons i would like to briefly call
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out three things in the movie that i
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have a comment about if that's ok 1 i'd
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like the way the video says no just give
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you a splitting headache and the way
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Christopher Walken sounds kind of like
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he's apologizing when he says it's not
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working think that was a weird scene
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that I enjoyed a weird scene i did not
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enjoy is when Catwoman is skipping rope
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with her bullwhip which feels like
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somebody thought that would look cool
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and then it didn't and finally Batman
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totally straps of dynamite with henchmen
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and blow the money we don't we don't see
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yeah I mean we talked about him not
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killing people he kills he's he's fine
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he's fine the best no circles artery
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Tony you're in denial here Batman of
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these two movies is a cold-blooded
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murderer straight from detective comics
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27 days you have to admit it he's bad
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just you just band-aid over that he's
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I have an important equation solution I
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have a very important question here
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where the hell did the red triangle
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circus gang get the plans for the
[TS]
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Batmobile yeah I'm just as a pretty big
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claw they broke into
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DMP let's say that pedia here here here
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i can head candidate its weak and
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pathetic there is the scene where they
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go to the Department of record like this
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movie yeah they go to the penguin spends
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an extended period of time in the Gotham
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Department of records which has a very
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fancy sign for a Department of records
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and probably Bruce Wayne is an
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upstanding citizen and has put the files
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for the blueprints of the Batmobile he
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entered them into the public record as
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you do when you're trying to maintain a
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uh-huh and my own area though yeah and
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yeah tell me how do you think he got the
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license plate for it straightly ya think
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I felt a breeze how do people feel to me
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the worst scene in this movie is when
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the penguin goes up to his upstairs of
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his campaign headquarters and him and
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Catwoman are there and she oh god that
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is that is the work for me the worst i
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don't know if that is for you even even
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not even counting the part which um
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where she almost it's a bird
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I am 46 years old and I am still too
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young to see the penguin and catwoman on
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I the dialogue and see what makes me
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deeply uncomfortable and again this is
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something that was used to sell action
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figures two children
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see I don't hurt likes grotesque protest
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like beautiful grotesques Tony that is
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that the scene that includes the line
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that's just the pussy I was looking for
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yes it was I thought so yeah that's not
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a good scene or is there other scene
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where he puts the moves on her and she
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refuses and he tries to make her fly
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into the sky on a honor like a parasol
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helicopter thing also not a good scene
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mmm nope nope nope i bet you there's
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some other not a good see ya there are
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you Jason Jason Jason I know your movies
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almost done and you have a Batmobile and
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I even saw you made a new version that
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it splits into pieces that's great we'll
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sell a new toy can get one more new toy
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out of this movie so we can for the kids
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and for my bank account how about a bad
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boat just put it in had the batboat yeah
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okay it's also know that the bats right
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all right I'm good ok alright that's up
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about this penguin issue to shoot a
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missile off of its back i had the action
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figure of that as a kid I did too
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well I wasn't the kid but I i had that
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it came in a pack with two penguins one
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of the Penguins is holding the
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developers out in a way that I don't
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know penguins really do the other
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penguins just standing there they're not
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really exited was just I like seeing
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that 40 seconds of paul rubens that was
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yeah yeah the beginning of a penguin
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penguin parents paul rubens is the
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Penguins dad in the in that state is
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born it's just like pee-wee's roving
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seen yeah well they're both they're both
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pee-wee's big adventure the mom and the
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dad are both in pee-wee's big yeah
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giantess a leader
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yeah sorry hoe but the site a side note
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I a pink one in the graveyard kneeling
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before his parents grave bumping into
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the wobbly styrofoam grave next-gen just
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just sell you know Danny DeVito had to
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deal with a lot of prosthetics with that
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costume I was their number-one son and
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they treated me like number two
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zing somebody gotta pull your outline
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that somebody got paid to write that
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line I don't think they should have
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brought up Vicki Vale in this no no
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pretend she didn't exist that I won't be
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sitting there going yeah what happened
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to her instead it's really sad it's like
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hey yeah remember that that we were
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starting a good relationship there no
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she couldn't take me being Batman
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no really because I thought you talk
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that through in the previous movie
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yeah that that that made me kind of mad
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but really it's low on my list of
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grievances so haha sitting down watching
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it tonight after not having seen it for
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so long and it's like right away it was
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just like everything was dialed 215 not
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just 11 but 15 Gotham City was grimmer
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know and uglier on all of the grotesque
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curries of you know whether it's the
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villains whatever it just everything was
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just pushed up into this level that had
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me cringing for most of this movie
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that's good news the next batman movie
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is much more colorful yeah yeah but
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everybody was there huh
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i I don't understand I don't understand
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I why I liked it so much in my memory I
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I that shall find that well well yeah
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Michael Keaton but surely but know that
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the the thing i love about the the
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original batman movie is that it is
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weird and I just assumed that Batman
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Returns was in that same vein with a
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cooler Batman suit and some other stuff
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and yeah Michelle Pfeiffer but yeah
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member this is what this is one of those
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movies that I really shouldn't have
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watched again I should have noticed but
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convince myself that I enjoyed it
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apologies to glen world yeah yeah yeah
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well you know Michael Keaton that I'm
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gonna say a Michael Keaton deserved
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better that I i really like to be still
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uh yeah I know I I like the performance
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in Batman and actually I like what
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little we see of him as Bruce Wayne in
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Batman Returns that stuff with Michelle
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Pfeiffer's he got kicked in the head
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hard enough and looking out yeah I like
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that boardroom scene between him and
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Christopher Walken I want yeah that's
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that's excellent keep cutting to him in
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the Batcave is like mm yes language i
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see no right parents yes and then that's
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it like wait what is even here it's like
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oh yeah we should probably show him
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before they forget what they're watching
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I'm still in this movie people don't
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forget I'm Batman
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I'm hanging out with Robert will now I'm
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just glad that joel schumacher was able
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to come and restore dignity to the
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franchise pieces of mr. Whelan's book is
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that the history of that man is full of
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wild over reactions from previous
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interesting yes I'm not gonna not what I
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pick up in a future episode we are going
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to watch the tool to joel schumacher
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Batman movies and then what we will what
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yeah I didn't sign up for that we and
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then then we'll have the Nolan movies
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after that but but for now i would have
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to say that we have discharged your
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duties and I am sorry
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to have made everybody watch batman
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returns because tony is this in the
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braces like banned from the treasure
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Batman or just the church Batman
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recognize the existence of Batman
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returned you know do whatever you want
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people knowing what the pattern where it
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is a bad memory around the Batman
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university curriculum Tony that's what i
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want so far the Batman university
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curriculum is mainly focused on the
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batman animated series and word that's
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what that's where that's that's the
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foundation of love and respect for
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Batman is that good right that's why it
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has such high approval ratings go Batman
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university so the 1989 Batman's kind of
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grandfathered and it's like a
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predecessor of the Batman I I mean there
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are there are elements of this that show
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up in batman the animated series like
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there is an episode called the mechanic
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about the penguin sabotaging the
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Batmobile which makes way more sense
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that the plot point and this one so they
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think they do borrow things from it but
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yeah they be the best thing about this
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movie are the things that gets stolen
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for the animated series and they leave
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eighty-five percent of the rocks behind
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so yeah stripped for parts
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yep i would rather had this movie been
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Christopher Walken as Max Schreck doing
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evil things that have to be countered by
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Bruce Wayne and Batman that would have
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been a way better movie i would rather
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this movie were Christopher walk in as
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Max Schreck in notion rocky yeah yeah
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but I would've been fine whatever
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christopher walken that's fine it's
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christopher rot walking does lots of
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weird stuff while Bruce Wayne and and
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Selena Kyle go out on a date
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now you have a great Tim Burton was just
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like really angry that he hadn't didn't
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have the idea to use the circus gang in
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the Joker movie and so is like I don't
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know they're here
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it was like white why are you guys in
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this movie itself no no
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well because Robin was originally gonna
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be okay yeah it's a mess
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I like what I like at the end when
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there's going to be the big fight and
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they all just leave and I was like it's
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like conservation of bad guys because of
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the big fight with the Joker they're all
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the bad guys that showed up from are so
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it's like it was evening out there
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there's their henchmen that didn't make
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any sense to be there
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in that movie and the henchmen that do
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make sense to be here just disappear in
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this one I'm okay with it comes and does
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nothing but get shots a bluefish a blue
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and zhu tou at the end of this one blue
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you know Edward with right after this
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movie I wonder if tim burton was
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thinking i need to remind myself that
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it's important to love movies yeah yeah
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yeah and that's that's a good movie
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I'm like that movie I I I feel for tim
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burton's is best although I complain
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about tim burton because i don't like is
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I don't really like his work but i will
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say i can't imagine that this was a
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particularly fulfilling film for him
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I'm sure was more fulfilling than the
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first Batman it feels more like stuff
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that's up his alley
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but still I'm not sure this is the kind
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of thing that is really his bag so now
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the movie before this between the Batman
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movies with edward scissorhands which is
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pure tim burton saying there you go then
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he went out to the paycheck and then you
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go and then he went made wood right so
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that's what you do not like the paycheck
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and then you go making a passion project
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Hey look on the right side you got to
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see Danny DeVito just going to town on a
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raw fish so that's an experience you can
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I saw the fifth season of taxi I've seen
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that i want to say although i did not
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enjoy Danny DeVito's performance I
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appreciate how hard he went for it
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I think you know what you're worried
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about getting like that at all
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good for him pilot yeah I was okay with
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it i mean i forgot that it was Danny
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DeVito a lot which which says something
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yeah i'm willing to give him a lot of
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credit for that he is disgusting an
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awful and violence but he's got weird
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prosthetics and he's actually acting and
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yeah yeah and it's not just like being
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Danny DeVito he's not yeah by the guys
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knows what more do you want
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well that guy should see that how do you
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really i like how long they left it yeah
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he says they know well it could be worse
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at least my nose is gushing blood
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there's a long pause the guys like that
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was yeah what he meant by
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that I'm gonna ask him what he meant oh
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that's right by some toys kids is moving
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regarding the fights off another guy's
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nose buy some toys
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Oh God 1992 never come back never
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all right we're gonna wrap it up that
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the thus ends this edition of our
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check-ins with Batman that are
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affiliated it's like extension course
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for Batman university I'd like to thank
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my guests for being here and watching
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some batman movies with me Monty
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actually thank you for being here
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I'm still that pen okay chip sudderth
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i'm grateful that Halle Berry was able
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to restore dignity capital magnifying
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device David Laura I'm I'm gonna go off
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and reboot the Hudson Hawk Cinematic
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Universe right okay you can use that
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list is on the phone already Shannon
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subject thank you
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knowing that I never have to watch
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batman returns again I feel ever so much
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young year and Tony sindelar I think you
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were the king of the wicker people
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goodbye nerds and thanks everybody for
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listening to be uncomfortable I've been
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your host Jason smell but really I'm
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