58: What’s Magic About That Keyboard?
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joined by the man with the plan, Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hi, Myke. How's it going?
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Very well, sir. How are you?
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What is my plan?
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We'll find out over the course of this episode.
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I think perhaps we will.
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The Jason Snell five-step plan to success.
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That's right.
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Something like that.
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Step three, profit. I don't know what happens after that. I'm still working on the plan.
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So we've got an exciting episode today. Got some cool stuff to talk about, but as is
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tradition we have some follow-up to do which we'll get through now. A couple
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of little things that we want to mention. So there is now a live streaming app.
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Relay has a live streaming app which you can grab. It's in the App Store. It's
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available for the iPhone and the iPad and we built this along with a company
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called Tapjet. So you may know that previously it was a company called Glide.
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They worked on Loop Magazine and they've been working with us to create this
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brand new app and you'll be able to listen to us live and there's a bunch of
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really exciting stuff in there for you to play around with so I really think
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that you should go and check it out it's got some great animations and it will
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help you listen live there's also some back catalogue stuff in there and if you
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find anything new that maybe you haven't listened to before it's an easy button to
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hope that you go check it out let us know what you think we're always doing
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to be adding at some point in the future.
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Chat functionality and stuff like that will be coming in a later update, but we're full
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steam ahead on really trying to make this a great experience to listen live to our shows
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Yeah, and a bunch of people were asking sort of what's the difference between this and
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a podcast app, and I think that's the important distinction is this is about alerting you
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when things are live, so you can listen live, that's a lot of fun, being able to interact
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coming down the road I think is going to be a great thing too. And yes, if you want to
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just stream an episode you can do that too. So it's worth checking out if you're happy
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with your podcast app of choice. In fact, it works with it. If you discover a show that
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you want to subscribe to, you can just sort of send it off to your podcast app of choice
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too. So it's not meant to replace Overcast or Podcasts or PocketCasts or any of the others.
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We took great pains to make sure that we weren't competing. It was never a thing for us where
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we wanted to try and compete with podcast apps because one we don't really
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desire to do that. I don't think we were really interested in building a platform
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to do it and also like I considered you know iTunes and all of the third-party
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app makers like Overcast and Pocket Casts to be like partners and we have no
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desire to try and you know upset them or usurp them because they help us out a
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lot so right for example you can't download episodes in the relay FM map
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It's just streaming and primarily built around the live experience.
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So what we hope it will do is help more people listen live that haven't been able to before
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because it makes it a lot easier.
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A lot, lot easier.
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So go check it out.
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We have some Myke at the Movies news, don't we?
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We do indeed.
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Two pieces of Myke at the Movies news.
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This is very exciting.
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Myke at the Movies is becoming a huge franchise and expanding to other areas.
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Phenomenon, you may even say.
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And we're not kidding.
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So there's two things happening.
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is that next week we're gonna do a Myke at the Movies episode and we're doing it for
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timely reasons given that it is October of 2015 we are going to watch Back to the Future
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part two for next week's episode.
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Yeah so we're slightly changing the rules of Myke at the Movies for this one episode
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because obviously I have seen Back to the Future 2 it's one of my favorite movies.
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It is from the 80s though so we've got that 1989.
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So that for me, I feel like there's, I wanted to do one that week. There's no way that we
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could in that week not do Back to the Future.
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I think so. It's when, for those who don't know, this is the point to which Marty McFly
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travels from 1985, the first movie set in 1985 and they go back 30 years to 1955. In
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the second movie they go they do go back to 55 but they also go forward 30 years
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to 2015 and yes that does mean that Back to the Future the original is now as far
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away from us as 1955 was from Marty in the movie but since since we are living
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in the future we're gonna watch Back to the Future part 2 for next week. Those
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should be good. Yeah I'm looking forward to that. The other news is we're not kidding about the
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Myke and the Movies franchise. We, for various reasons, you and I have talked about this
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for a little while now. Obviously in the shows that we do at Relay FM, there's a lot of talk
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of current events in the technology industry. So we'll have these shows that are all about
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current events and then we'll talk about a classic movie for half an hour or an hour.
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And that's great in the sort of stream day to day. It's nice to have a little bonus at
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the end of an episode of Upgrade or Analog about a classic movie. But, you know, a year
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from now, the classic movie discussion is still going to be great, but the tech discussion,
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while great, is going to be dated. So what we are doing is we are doing a separate podcast
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feed for Myke at the Movies. So if there is a movie that you want to watch and then listen
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to and it doesn't fit in with your day-to-day listening to this show or to Analog, but you
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enjoy us talking about movies, you can listen to just the movie reviews. They'll be posted
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with a bit of a delay. I think we're thinking about a month delay because we have sponsors
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on these shows and this is where the idea for this feed is that it's sort of the classic,
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it's always accessible, you can listen to any of these movie reviews whenever you want.
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And it's at The Incomparable because that's your place to go for pop culture podcasting.
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So if you go to the incomparable.com/mike, that's M-Y-K-E like Myke Hurley, you will
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find the new Myke at the Movies podcast which has got all of our old episodes. So it's got
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the Raiders of the Lost Ark episode, this is Spinal Tap. I'm just realizing I think
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I don't have the Princess Bride in there so I'm gonna have to add that. That was a-- I
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think I just missed that one. But we'll fix it up. We're still working it out. But Sneakers,
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The Rocketeer from you and Casey are in there. And so we'll just, you know, we will put them
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And then if you want to go back and you're like I can't listen to that now and then it sort of escapes you you
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can always just tune in to the mic of the movies feed and
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Conversations will will live there
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So and and if Myke should talk about a movie on some other relay podcast at some point those will pop in there, too
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So right now right now we have nine and since I just remembered that one is missing. There'll be ten. Yay
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and so you can check all those out and and I think I think it's a I think it's a cool thing and the art
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- Spectacular.
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- I think it's my favorite.
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- I think you may be giving a movie poster of this artwork.
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- Yeah, Frank is coming to England at the end of the month, so I'm finally gonna get
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to meet him, and he's gonna make me a poster version, which I'm incredibly excited about.
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- Yeah, it's really nice.
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Nice 60s movie poster style.
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It's got some glasses, it's got your glasses on it.
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So anyway, if you like the Myke of the Movies segments, if you want to revisit them or file
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them away for later listening, check that out, the incomparable.com/Myke.
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And also, more Myke of the Movies news.
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So as well as there being Back to the Future next week, me and Casey are also doing a Myke
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of the Movies episode of Analog that will come out next week on True Lies.
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Because I'm going to be away at release notes, so we're going to bank an episode about True
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Lies. So I watched True Lies today. I'm gonna see you there. You will be seeing
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me there. You know our first Myke watches the movies was The Princess Bride and I
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totally missed it so I guess there'll be a zero episode of Myke at the Movies.
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Perfect. Zero is perfect. You gotta start from zero right? I wanted to do just one
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little piece of follow-up before we get into the meat of today's episode which
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was around the whole Apple Amazon Netflix thing that we were talking about
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last week because we had quite a few people making comments about what we
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were talking about about you know how fair it is that these companies pay to
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30%. My stance being that I believe that once a company gets to a certain size
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Apple should be doing deals. But there are many people which is totally fine
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have the belief that they think everyone should be treated equally by Apple. Which
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I appreciate that. I appreciate the idealic fairness of it all you know that
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ever put it as a level playing field. But I just wanted to underscore
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the point in case I didn't make it last week and I want to make sure that I do.
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That I think that for Apple's platform to continue to advance and grow it will
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eventually require them needing to make deals with other companies. That's
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my feeling about this. They are in a very very strong position but when big
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companies like Amazon just say well no we're not gonna sell your products
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anymore. It puts them in situations which they don't need to be in, I think, and if
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they really want to continue pushing down the content and entertainment route with the
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Apple TV, I think they're going to need to do a little bit more glad handling than they
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are at the moment.
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Yeah, one of the things that we definitely hear is, "No, no, you can't play favorites.
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Apple's got to do 30% for everyone." But, you know, Apple can do what it wants, so it's
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not true. People, I think some people seem to think that that's some sort of law or rule
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that isn't violent and I just, it could change. Apple could make a deal. That happens all
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the time and they could have preferred partners and that happens all the time in business.
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And so I think they don't have to. The other thing that I got a lot of was like, I can't
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believe Apple doesn't have to do this. And I was like, well, no, Apple doesn't have to
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do this, but at some point I think maybe Apple should do it. And you know, we can disagree
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on that, but I think let's not pretend that Apple can't do what it wants. Apple could
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cut a deal if it feels like it's in its best interest to do so. So, you know, it may not
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be fair, but business isn't always fair. That's just, that's business. That's how it works.
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So also we heard from some people who said, "Hey, what if this is all just in advance
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of Amazon stocking the new Apple TV because it's going to have an Amazon app?" And that
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be. That may--I wouldn't put it past them. I think it would be silly if Amazon didn't
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write an app for the new Apple TV. And I would imagine that it would be approved because
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it's not like other stuff isn't approved for the App Store, including all of Amazon's stuff
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today. So I would imagine that would continue on the Apple TV. But we'll see.
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Also MyCast, why can't Amazon just increase in-app prices to exactly offset Apple's 30%
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and they can't do that because Apple explicitly says that they can't in the
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rules. So that is a thing you can't you can't sell your product or your
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subscription service for a cheaper price elsewhere it has to match so that's why.
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Yeah and that policy has changed over time but but the other thing is Amazon's
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business model one Amazon's business model is is based on the low margins but
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But two, then what you're doing essentially is Apple is saying you can lose money or you
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can be more expensive than us and everything we sell on iTunes and iBooks.
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And you know, for the book thing, this is what I keep coming back to, is that the problematic
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thing here is that Apple is a platform vendor that is also selling media.
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And that's problematic.
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That is a challenge, because then when Apple makes these rules, it stops being about like,
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it's fair for the platform owner to do this
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and take their share and it becomes well,
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but they're also erecting barriers for their competition
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since they also sell books and comics
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and movies and TV shows and music.
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So that makes this messier.
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And I think I'm just a person who feels like
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Apple's media sales stuff should stand or fall
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based on its merits and not because of artificial barriers
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that are erected to protect it.
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And I think that there's some of that going on here.
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And I'd rather Apple just let iBooks compete
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and iTunes compete on a level playing field
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instead of having it be that Apple makes it harder
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for Amazon to do business on Apple platforms.
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- And I think it makes the platforms worse
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when there isn't that competition there.
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- Mm-hmm, definitely, definitely.
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All right, let's talk about the new iMacs.
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So Jason, we have some new products.
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Now we're talking just before the embargo goes out for these, so I know nothing about
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what you have in front of you.
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That's right, this episode is being timed to drop once I can publicly discuss the products
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that I've been using for the last few days.
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But that means also that you are a babe in the woods and know nothing about what Apple
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announced and released.
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could tell me anything and I would have to believe you. That's right. Well they've
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got a 45-inch iMac. Wow. Yeah that's not true. It's called the iMac Pro. It comes
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with a pen. Nope not true. These are these are not true facts. These are
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these are all lies. So what do we have? So the iMac line got a refresh this morning.
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that's what happened. New iMacs abound. In fact, I'm gonna bring up... I actually
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spent the weekend with a spreadsheet of changes in this, but I mean the big story is that
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there's a 21-inch Retina iMac now, 21 and a half inch Retina iMac. That's new, that's
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exciting but the whole iMac line got refreshed so even the the non retina 21
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and a half inch iMac is refreshed for the first time since late 2013 wow so
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it's been a long time there's Broadwell chips which is like they call them the
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fifth generation Intel core technology but it's Broadwell chips in the 21 and a
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half inch iMacs and Apple's doing this thing that they that they tend to do
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which is keep their price points and change the products inside the price point. So the iMac price
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points as of yesterday, as of Monday the 12th, were 10.99, 12.99, 14.99, 17.99, 19.99, and 22.99.
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I love that 99.
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Yeah, they do. They do. It's the buying psychology, I guess. I hate it,
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but at least it's not 10.99 and 99 cents. They...
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It's dumb, so, but anyway,
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those price points are all still there.
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What Apple has done is upgrade,
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look, show title,
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upgrade everything inside those price points.
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So now the 1099 and 1299 price points
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are still 21 and a half inch IMAX,
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but those are now using Broadwell processors
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instead of the old Haswell processors.
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So they're faster, it's 1.6 and 2.8 for the 1099
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and the 1299 respectively.
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The RAM's a little bit faster.
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The storage on the 1099, which used to be half a gigabyte
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is now a full, or 500 gigabytes, half a terabyte,
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is now a full terabyte.
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They're using Intel integrated graphics,
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but it's the newer integrated graphics.
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So it's the 6000 and the 6200.
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and they support Thunderbolt 2 now. So they get a nice little upgrade for the cheap iMacs,
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but the big story is the 1499 slot which used to be a 2.9 gigahertz, 1 terabyte, 8 gigs of memory,
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21.5 inch iMac. It is now a retina iMac for that same price, 3.1 gigahertz quad-core i5
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Broadwell, 8 gigs of memory, the faster speed, Intel 6200 integrated graphics and two Thunderbolt
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2 ports. And then there's…
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And what drive does that have in it? The 21?
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That's got the… the 1499 model has a terabyte… okay, so I just reviewed it, you can read
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my review of Macworld. I reviewed this model, the 1499 terabyte hard drive. It is a 5400
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RPM spinning disk terabyte hard drive.
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- Come on, not even a fusion.
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- So here's the thing.
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Yeah, that is the...
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Okay, I wasn't gonna talk about this now,
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but let's talk about it now.
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I haven't used a spinning disc Mac in ages now, right?
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- I don't understand why they would do this.
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- My daughter's iMac has a fusion drive,
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and my laptop is SSD only, my iMac is SSD only.
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And I admit this means that I'm spoiled,
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But let me tell you, when you boot up this brand new Mac,
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brand new retina Mac, gorgeous display,
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we can talk about it a little bit more.
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You know, there's a 4K display, 4096 by 2304.
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It is beautiful.
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And then you wait because the disc is slow
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'cause it's this 5,400 RPM hard drive.
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And then you launch an app
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and you wait some more for the app to launch.
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It is so clearly the problem in the device,
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'cause it's not the 3.1 gigahertz quad-core i5
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that's slowing it down, right?
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It's this slow spinning hard drive.
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So yeah, it's not so great is what I'm saying.
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There is a configured order, I think for $100,
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you can go up to a terabyte fusion drive.
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And although there, what Apple has done is
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to make the fusion drive upgrade cheaper,
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the one terabyte fusion drive actually has less
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flash storage in it.
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So if you're somebody who's like a heavy duty user,
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you're gonna wanna get the, and you want a fusion drive,
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you're gonna want the two or,
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or I think there's a three terabyte option now as well.
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But the one terabyte option is a hundred dollars more.
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I think it's like 40 gigs of flash,
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and then the rest of it is the Fusion Drive.
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But I don't think I would recommend to anybody
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that they just spend 1499 on a Retina iMac.
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'Cause if you're gonna buy a brand new Retina 4K iMac,
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21 and a half inch iMac,
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I think you owe it to yourself to not be constrained
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by the speed of that disc.
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- It kind of seems counterproductive
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to what you're attempting to do with it.
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Well, when I talk about them hitting the slots, I think this is what happens.
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This is how you hit the slot.
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This is how you hit $1499 and have this new iMac fit in the same price point as the previous
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I feel like you'd be better put in a 256 solid state and then a 1TB hard drive.
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Just from a user features.
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Because the speed is surely more important than the storage.
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Yeah, but there's still price issues.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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So what is that price again for the 4K?
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For the 21.5 inch 4K, it's $14.99 US.
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So it's the same as the highest end, before configuration.
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Now, you can configure to order it with a discrete graphics processor, which is new,
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I believe, that you can put a GeForce GT750M in there.
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So by default, it uses Intel integrated graphics, and that's actually the reason why these aren't
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Skylake, the new generation, sixth generation processors, according to Apple, is that they
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don't have a chipset for Skylake with integrated graphics, which is what they want here. Because
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again to save money, there isn't an integrated graphics processor or a discrete graphics
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processor instead, it's just the Intel integrated stuff that comes on the chipset. It's part
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of the Broadwell collection, right? But you can configure to order. So if you do want
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the smaller iMac but you want the extra graphics power you can get it with a
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discrete GPU and you can also increase that processor to 3.3 gigahertz quad
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core i7 so there are a lot of nice configuration options at the top of the
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line plus you can choose you know one or two terabyte fusion and you can choose
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256 or 512 gigabyte flash storage so there are lots of options that
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make it more expensive but that make it much more powerful but those are options
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because again they want to hit that $1499 and you know $1499 is a great price for
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a 21 and a half inch retina iMac a 4096 by 2304 a truly in a 4k for more than
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4,000 pixels wide iMac but with that configuration has the slow drive it's
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just so interesting to me because when you look at the MacBook line, like they
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start with solid state, right? That's where you get, that's where they all are.
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They're all on solid state. I mean I know that they're not a terabyte, right? You
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know like for example the 1299 13-inch MacBook Pro Retina comes of a 128
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gigabyte flash storage which is, I know it's barely nothing, but at least it's, I
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I feel, my feeling about that is actually the use of the machine would be better to
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have the flash than to have the hard drive, the spinning disk.
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Why do you think Apple have made the decision to not just put this one terabyte drive in
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there rather than throwing in a very small flash storage drive?
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I think it's price.
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Because surely the 128 gigabyte can't be that much more expensive, right?
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Because they're putting it in a $1,300 MacBook.
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Well, think of it this way. Yesterday, to add a 256 flash to an iMac was $200 upgrade from the
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one terabyte spinning hard drive. So yes, a lot of that is Apple's profit, but a lot of that is also
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expense that it costs. And I think also maybe some of Apple's research is in here,
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that they know how people use iMacs, and perhaps they know that a big desktop iMac can't really,
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most people are not going to be satisfied with 128 gigs of storage in it, right? That's not a lot
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for a big iMac. And then there's just, when you start to compare it to the laptops,
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I mean this screen is huge, the screen is 21 and a half inches, you know, the biggest written
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Retina MacBook Pro is 15. There are a lot more pixels. So it's a much bigger screen,
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much more to drive, much more graphics power needed to drive it. So, you know, it's not
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the same kind of system. But yeah, I think in the end it is, fly storage is still way
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more expensive, and Fusion Drive is supposed to be a way around that. That would be my
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thing is that I appreciate that Apple has made stepping up to Fusion Drive cheaper,
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but I kind of wish that the stock configuration had a Fusion Drive. I feel like for the $1499
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at the top of the line, you've got the retina, it would be really nice if that had the Fusion
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Drive too, but obviously Apple felt like their margins weren't going to be good enough at
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$1499. So this is essentially, that's essentially a $1599 iMac with a terabyte Fusion Drive.
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Yeah, because you're really, you know, it's saying that I love you're cutting your nose
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off to spite your face at the point of buying the stock one. I can't recommend anybody buy
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a brand new computer that is fast in so many different areas and has this amazing screen
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and then is stuck with a 5400 RPM spinning disk.
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- Into, exactly, in late 2015,
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if you're going to spend 1499 on a new iMac,
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unless it's literally all the money that you can spend,
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you should at the very least spend 1599
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and get the Fusion Drive.
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Because you need to get some of that speed that comes
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and the responsiveness that comes with having
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super fast flash storage.
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And you may not be able to afford a big SSD and that's fine,
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but go to the fusion drive if you can,
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because the drive is slow.
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It's just, you know, I could tell,
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it makes everything sluggish.
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Once you've been on an SSD or a fusion drive even,
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you can tell when you're on a computer with a spinning disk.
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It's painfully obvious.
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And it's just, you know, it's yeah, it's the end of 2015.
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This is a retina display machine that, so anyway, yeah,
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I highly recommend that upgrade.
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I should mention the memory, it comes with eight standard.
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you can configure it with 16,
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but this is the 21 and a half inch model.
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And just like the last generation,
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'cause these look, they look exactly the same.
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They're the same size, they're the same shape.
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They're the same weight.
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And just as before, the 21 and a half
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doesn't have the door on the back for user installable RAM.
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So if you want 16 gigs of RAM,
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you need to order it with 16 gigs of RAM.
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Otherwise you can't, you know,
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it doesn't have a door for you to pop it off
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and put in more RAM later.
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- Yeah, sure.
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But eight gigabytes of RAM is a better starting point
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than a spinning disk, right?
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Like in the RAM department, that's a good thing to do.
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Can you replace the hard drive?
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Is the hard drive user replaceable on the 21?
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- I don't, I think it's as user replaceable
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as anything else is on these machines,
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which is not very, because it's essentially a sealed,
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it's a sealed container.
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And yeah, so this is, and this is what you wanna buy, right?
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- Not the 21.
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- No, you're gonna buy the 27?
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- So I'm eagerly waiting for you to tell me about that
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in a moment, but I want to talk a little bit more about the 21 inch because I feel like
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all we've done is complain about it.
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Yeah, and this is the one that I've spent time with.
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Tell me what is good about this machine.
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Well the screen is amazing. It's the same story as when we got the 5K screen last time.
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It's a great screen, it looks good, retina is so good, your photos look amazing on a
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retina display, and having all of the area of a 21 and a half inch display, it's, you
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You know, 27-inch is not for everyone.
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It can really dominate a desk.
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It can really dominate a room.
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It can be unwieldy to move around.
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21 and a half is a much more kind of human scale,
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in some ways, computer.
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Having stared at a 27 for the last year, getting to 21,
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I was like, oh, it's so cute and reasonably sized.
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But it's still-- it's not 5K.
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But it's still got this kind of incredible, bright, colorful
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Apple's widened the color gamut on all of these iMacs,
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so they actually show more color.
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I forget what the number,
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they quoted the number 25% more color,
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especially in the reds and greens,
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which are the ones that I don't see very well.
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- Yeah, I was gonna say, can you see it?
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Like for anybody that doesn't know,
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Jason has some mild color blindness.
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- Yeah, I'm slightly red-green colorblind.
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I saw some demos at Apple that I could tell the difference,
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and a lot of it is, some of it is vibrancy,
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and some of it is detail where there's minute detail
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that gets washed out when you can only,
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when you can't go into more detail
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with the variation in color,
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it all sort of becomes the same.
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And then if you add extra detail that can actually,
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to the color space, it can add detail to your photos.
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It's not just about it being kind of more vibrant.
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Actually, you can see more variation
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and therefore your photos have more detail.
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So it's the P, it's 99%, I guess,
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of the P3 color space, I think, which is,
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as opposed to the old sRGB color space that the old IMAX fit inside.
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So if you're somebody who does a lot with photography or video, having the additional
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color is, it's a subtle thing for me anyway, maybe it'll be more dramatic for other people,
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but even for me it was definitely there.
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I don't think this is enough reason for people to take their old 27-inch red and IMAX and
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throw them in the bin.
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still a pretty good display regardless, but the new ones have a wider color gamut, that's
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for sure. So that's good.
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I imagine Apple sitting you down in the demo rooms and they're like, "Jason, look at the
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change in these colors!" and you're like, "Mm-hmm, yep, yeah, looks great guys!"
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Well apparently the LEDs, the white LEDs that most of these displays use tend to put out
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more, they have more ability to put out blue wavelengths than red or green, and as a result
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The red and green variation is limited and they've got a new LED that is much better
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at putting out red and green wavelengths.
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And that's that according to Apple, that's the thing that makes this capable of the wider
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color gamut.
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But, you know, I did warn them.
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I did say, you know, I'm a little red green colorblind, but I still they were like, can
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you see this?
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Can you see this?
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It became more of a test for me.
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It was like an eye test at that point.
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But it was it but you can you can tell you could definitely tell.
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And they had a funny moment, they said that the Denver Broncos of the NFL, their orange
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jersey is outside of the SRGB color space.
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So they say whenever you see, unless you're there in person, whenever you see a picture
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or video of the Denver Broncos, you're not seeing the right orange.
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What a very peculiar and specific thing to pick.
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Well, I think it's good though, because it's a good example of a shade that maybe doesn't
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render exactly right.
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But again, is this a huge feature? For most people, probably not. But for some people,
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it will be pretty nice. But the flexibility of the Retina displays I wanted to mention,
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which is this isn't just about it being a 4K display, it's about the fact that once
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you've got this many pixels on a screen, this densely populated, you can scale the interface
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and not have it look bad. It used to be, when we went to LCD screens, flat screens, that
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You can't, you used to be able to change monitor resolutions on CRTs.
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You could make everything bigger, make everything smaller, you could do that and it still looked
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But on LCD panels it never looked good because the resolution just isn't high enough and
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it would dither it and anti-alias and it looked bad.
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But these are so high resolution that you can do that.
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So if you want to make your everything on the screen a little bit bigger or a little
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bit smaller so you have more room, you can do that on these retina displays super easily.
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And I know people who don't run in 100% 2x mode
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on their retina display.
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They actually run with everything a little bit smaller
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and it makes it seem like a bigger screen
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or with everything a little bit bigger.
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And it still looks crisp
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because there are so many pixels there
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that even though it is scaling it and anti-aliasing it,
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you can't see it because they're just too many,
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the pixels are too dense.
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You don't even see that it's happening.
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My MacBook Pro I run in most space mode.
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- See, yeah.
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- And I love that. - Yeah, exactly.
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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And so that now comes to the 21 and a half inch iMac size
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with this, so I think that's good.
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Thunderbolt 2, more speed, the Broadwell processors
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are faster than the Haswell that came before.
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And I like that this top of the line 21 and a half inch
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does have those build to order options.
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So if you just don't want, if you want the power
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but you don't want the size of the 27 inch.
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You can do that.
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You can get the 4K iMac, upgrade the storage,
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upgrade the processor, and that's a good thing.
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Right, oh, so one thing before we go on,
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I was saying that there are discrete graphics as an update.
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There aren't, I got that wrong.
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It's 6,200 integrated graphics is what you get.
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You can't build to order discrete on that one.
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So if you really want the superpower, you want the 27 inch,
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because that one has all of the options.
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The only things you can configure on the 21 and a half inch retina, you can get the i7
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and you can upgrade the storage, but you cannot go to integrated graphics on that one.
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That graphics stuff really confuses me now.
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Yeah, well, I mean, the short version of it is that Intel tries to make it so you don't
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need to buy a graphics, you know, a GPU from someone else, because Intel's got you covered,
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But it's never, you know, it's never as good as having the discrete graphics chip, it's
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just that those are expensive.
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And so, you know, they're, they're, they're, it's, everything's better if you've got one,
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but it's expensive.
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And so the 27s have them and the 21 and a halfs don't.
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And partially that's a function that they're driving a smaller display and so there's not
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as much penalty and part of it is cost.
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>> Okay. All right, so I want to know about this 27 because it's what I've been
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looking for. So have I been right to be waiting?
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>> Well, yeah, because this is the-- although there was this sort of interim step in the
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spring that was basically like a lower end model, they took the-- last fall when the
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5K iMac came out, it was sitting above the 27-inch iMacs that existed, and it was more
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expensive and that's what I bought and then this spring they came around with
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one that was sort of the the the cheaper model that that they that allowed them
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to hit some other price points so that was the one that that let them do what
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1999 and then and then the one they lowered the price on the one that I
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bought to $22.99. So now the the old non-retina 27-inch iMacs have been cleared away. They're gone.
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Oh wow. Okay. Gone. What were they? I don't even remember them. It's like they were never there.
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Forget I even said non-retina iMacs 27 inches. Nope. Nope. It's not a thing. So $17.99, $19.99,
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$22.99, those are your price points and those are where the the three new 5k iMacs sit. They've all
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got that wider color gamut 5k screen 5120 by 2880 they're using Skylake processors so
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it's the it's the sixth generation Intel Core architecture it's a 3.2 gigahertz quad-core
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i5 on the 1799 and the 1999 models and it's a 3.3 gigahertz quad-core i5 on the 2299 model
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They all have discrete graphics from AMD. It's a Radeon R9 M380 in the 1799, M390 in the 1999,
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and M395 on the 2299. I'm sure there are reasons why those are different and I don't understand
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them. And then on the storage side, the 1799 comes with a spinning hard drive,
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although it is a 7200 RPM spinning hard drive,
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because it's the bigger drive.
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So it's faster.
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1999 comes with a terabyte Fusion Drive standard,
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and the 2299 comes with the two terabyte Fusion Drive standard.
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And that 1999 terabyte Fusion Drive, I believe,
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I mentioned earlier, that's the one that's got,
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it's actually got less flash in it
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than the old terabyte Fusion Drive did.
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As, this is Apple's attempt to try and get it,
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get Fusion Drive to be more affordable so that they can make it standard sooner, but
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it's just not standard yet on some of these systems like we've been talking about. So
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that's the 27-inch. They've got the stuff that they already had, that the Retina 1 already
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had in terms of Thunderbolt 2 and all of that. And then the build-to-order configuration
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options, the two high-end models can be upgraded to a 4 GHz i7. All three models can be upgraded
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to the Radeon 395 with four gigs of GDDR5 magic memory memory memory memory nerds out there
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when I listen to ATP and they talk about chipsets I'm like yeah I don't care so much they really
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love it but anyway yeah so you can upgrade to the super awesome graphics and even on
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the on the 2299 that upgrade is basically more more memory to the GPU the stock is eight
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gigs of memory but you can go all the way up to 32 it does have the door so you can
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do it yourself if you want to do it that way and it's got all the storage options 1, 2
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or 3 terabyte fusion drives 256 or 512 flash on the 1799 model and the 1999 and the 2299
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you can configure a terabyte flash too so you know it's it's basically the old 5k iMac
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spread across the whole line with upgraded processors to Skylake.
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That's exactly what I was looking for. Apple is not saying this is four times
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faster than the old model. I think these are incrementally faster. I think
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it's not a radical change there but it is the newer architecture, you know,
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newer graphics processors, newer CPUs, so everything's a little bit
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bit better but it's not like a quantum leap. It's not gonna blow the doors off.
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No, no, but keeping in mind that the high-end one really hasn't updated in a
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year I mean this is and then they basically pulled it down to $19.99 in the
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spring and now they've pulled it all the way down to $17.99 and everything's a
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little bit better at those price points. So I will be getting the top of the line
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I'll push right you can take up to 4 gigahertz you said and I seven yeah yeah
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then I'm gonna throw 16 gigabytes of RAM and a terabyte flash in there.
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Beauty. That is gonna be my screen. Top of the line. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. So like I
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will mention this and I will mention it at another point I'm not gonna belabor
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it. I will be selling my Mac Pro if you are in the UK and you're interested let
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me know and we take it in for full service with Apple and then I'm gonna be selling
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it. So if you want to jump the gun on that I'll give you a good price on it.
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And I'm also getting rid of my 25-inch Dell monitor that I have, and I'm going to be trading
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it in for a beautiful 27-inch iMac.
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Very excited.
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It's a good thing.
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Welcome to 27-inch iMac world.
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I've been so happy with my 27-inch iMac that I definitely recommend it to people.
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It's funny, one of the things that I actually wrote about in the Macworld article is who
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needs a desktop?
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Because there is that argument, right?
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I think it's more than three quarters of the max that it's or it's roughly three
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quarters of the max that Apple sells our laptops now but I think there are lots I
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think there are lots of uses for desktops dedicated workstations with
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lots of power I think are nice big screens are really nice and I think
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there are a lot of intangibles to like for me the the work-life balance thing
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that this is this huge not only is this a huge powerful computer with a with a
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big screen, but it's also at my desk. And when I leave it, I'm not working then. And
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yeah, I can get a laptop and I can do stuff, but this becomes my workplace. And I kind
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of like that, that the computing power is concentrated here, and this is where I want
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to be if I'm working. And when I step away, I'm stepping away from all of that stuff.
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And I think there's something to that. I also know a lot of families who, you know, an iMac
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is a nice shared computer. They put it on a desk in a family room or something like
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and the kids take turns or work on it together rather than having sort of a laptop where
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to go, it's floating around, it stays anchored to the table. So there are lots of reasons
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why, but I've been really happy with the iMac and I hadn't used an iMac as my primary system
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in quite a while and it's a great system so now it's even better.
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Yeah, when you were talking about the 21, I was thinking, "Oh, that seems like the perfect
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student computer and like, you know, where is that going to be used, you know, like in
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dorm room or something and then I realised no you use a laptop for that
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because you can take it to class. Like the 27 is like that it's that one
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exactly it's for the creative professional that is the new machine
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it's not the Mac Pro because this thing has an incredible screen on it right and
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I feel like that's probably why it's edging it for many people as the Pro
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machine now this top-of-the-line 27. So I'm wondering who is the 21 for? Is it
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just for price conscious or space conscious people? Because that is a really
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weird group to have a machine for, like in my mind anyway.
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- I think for a lot of people, 27 inches is just too much computer. I really believe that.
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And I've seen people see a 27-inch iMac and go, "Oh my God, it's so huge." And 21 and
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a half is a much more, like I said, human scale almost. I think 27, it is so big and
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it's beautiful that it's this big screen, but it's not for everyone. And then the price
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is the same thing, right? I mean, $1499, that it's a lot—so if you don't need the size
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and the screen space, and you can save money, it's just, it's logical. So I think for a
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lot of people, I think that's a much more casual user kind of computer than the 27 is,
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and I think, you know, you can see it now, that there's—they still haven't pushed it
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down to $1099, right? That'll probably happen in the next year or two. But, you know, for
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For now, it's the higher-end model, but it's for, you know, I know people who would not
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buy the 27-inch and they've got, and money's no object for them because it's just too big
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and they don't need a computer that's that big and, you know, their house doesn't have
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a place to fit it.
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I think there's perfectly reasonable use cases for the 21 and a half.
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And in the long run, this is also part of Apple clearing the non-retina out of the product
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You know, in a year, let's say,
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when the 21 and a half inch 1099 iMac,
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you know, maybe next year, maybe the year after,
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when that one is gone,
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and certainly the 1299 next year, right?
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We will get to a point very soon where the MacBook Air
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and these 21 and a half inch iMacs will be gone
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and we will be all retina
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across Apple's product line at that point.
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And then it's coming.
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This is, you know, it continues to push downward
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until there's nothing left.
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- Any rumblings about an external display?
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- No, I got no rumblings.
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And in fact, these retina ones still don't do
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target display mode, which the old ones did,
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where you could use it as a,
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once it had ended its life as a computer,
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you could turn it into a monitor for a different computer.
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They don't do that.
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And I think it goes down to the fact
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that connectivity is still an issue.
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Driving a display like this is still an issue.
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And from what I've heard, you know,
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Thunderbolt 2 can drive some large HD displays
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and Thunderbolt 3 will do a much better job of it.
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And I feel like maybe this is just Apple waiting
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for the technology to get to the,
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either for the technology to get to the point
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where they can do it,
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or for them to have sold enough systems
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that can support it for them to sell it.
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- That makes sense. - 'Cause that's part
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of the thing too, is if you release a monitor
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that only the computer you announced that day can use,
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I mean, they might do that if they update a Mac Pro and say,
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and here's the external monitor you use with it.
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They might do that, but it would be better
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if they sort of had already seeded the market with Macs
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that were capable of driving it with laptops
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and maybe even iMacs that could drive it
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as a second retina display.
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So no rumblings, but I feel like we're getting closer
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to that and I do think it will happen eventually.
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I think the question is, is it gonna happen, you know,
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is it gonna happen soon?
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Is it gonna happen with Thunderbolt 3?
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I don't know.
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All right, that isn't the only news of the day though.
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I want to talk about input devices with you because I see the titles of these in our document
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and I'm very intrigued because I-- everything else I could guess.
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There's some words in this document that I don't understand.
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Yes, as the iMac always does, it comes with input devices, but the input devices in these
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Are you sitting down?
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I'm sitting down.
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All right, so with these new iMacs, Apple also announced and we'll be shipping separately as well,
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the new Magic Keyboard, the Magic Trackpad 2, and the Magic Mouse 2.
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The sequels.
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Okay, Magic Keyboard.
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Now I'll tell you what I think this is.
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I haven't heard it.
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I expect it's the new...
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See, I feel like what I'm going to say is so crazy.
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The new style, so the San Francisco font with the new keycaps, and if it's Magic, there's
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There's some kind of movement device built into the keyboard, that's what I would say.
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Okay, hit me with it.
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What's magic about it?
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I don't know what's magic.
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It seems to me that the magic of it is that it's rechargeable.
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The font is different.
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I just was checking with my other keyboard here.
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So the story here with the keyboard, and with all these devices actually, is that they're
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rechargeable.
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All the Apple, especially the trackpad and the keyboard were built around this cylinder
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at the back with AA batteries in it, and they've replaced all of that with a lightning connector
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and a rechargeable battery inside.
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Lightning is the perfect connection for this.
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I was wondering where you were going to go with that.
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So they're much thinner, like the keyboard is super thin all the way to the top.
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It's wedge-shaped, so it's much thinner at the bottom than at the top, but it's a much
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less of an angle, which is also good I think ergonomically that it's not quite as angled
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from top to bottom, but it is still wedge-shaped.
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And on the back edge is a lightning connector and an on/off switch.
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And it is, so let's see, people will be very happy to know that it is not using the butterfly
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mechanism of the MacBook.
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It is not based on the MacBook keyboard.
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I think this is a really good sign that they're not going to make us use that keyboard technology
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with everything.
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It feels like they have designed that keyboard technology now, I can see this, to work where
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it's needed.
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Like they designed it for the MacBook, but they also wanted to put it in the iPad Pro
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keyboard cover, right?
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Because you need really, really thin keyboards in those scenarios.
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So this uses a scissor mechanism, although Apple says that they improved on the scissor
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mechanism, that the keycaps are slightly larger, that it makes a clicky sound, which it actually
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it's soft but there is definitely, you know, you can hear yourself typing and that they
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say that the keycaps are more stable and I think they're right. But it is, there's more travel,
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it feels like, than on the MacBook. It definitely feels more like a regular typing experience than
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the MacBook keyboard does. I think they say there's a millimeter of travel, which Apple
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declares is the optimal amount of key travel. So, okay, who are we to argue? Who are we to argue?
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but it definitely takes up a lot less space.
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I was looking, so last week I fell into this sort of hole
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of looking at keyboards on eBay
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after Joshua Topolski tweeted these pictures
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of these incredible like little tiny keyboards
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that are just, they don't even have the function row.
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It's just numbers and it's, so what it's one, two, three,
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four, five, like five rows of keys
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and then the edge of the keyboard.
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Like it's a super tiny keyboard.
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And I love that because I don't like the extended keyboards.
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That is a similar design to this Apple keyboard actually.
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There's not a lot of space around it.
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It does have the function key row at the top
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and they're actually full sized function keys.
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They're not half height, they're full height.
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- Oh interesting. - But that's it.
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Yeah, I wonder if it's because they had the space
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because they needed to put in the battery
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and things like that, that it couldn't get much smaller.
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- And the funny thing is it's worked in the inverse to usual.
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- Yeah, but it's a funny thing.
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Well, 'cause you've got to keep the symmetry, right?
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Because it's the same border around it,
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but it's very, very much,
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there's not a lot of extra space around the keys.
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You basically get white keys framed
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by the silver keyboard.
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So yeah, I've been typing on it all weekend.
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I would say it's pretty nice.
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I don't think I've come to a verdict yet
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about whether I prefer it to some of the other keyboards
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that I've got around here,
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I have not felt miserable after using it for days and days,
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which is what happened to me with the MacBook keyboard.
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So I take that for what it will, what you will.
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I don't like the fact that it's got the, like the MacBook,
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it's got full size left and right arrow keys,
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but split up and down arrow keys,
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because I used that space where the small left
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and right arrow keys left on the keyboard,
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I used that to kind of orient.
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So I've had to kind of relearn that part of it.
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But I'd say it's pretty nice.
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And I haven't even told you the most amusing part of it,
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which is the Apple-est touch of all.
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If you get one of these,
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and you have to be on a system that's running El Capitan,
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but if you get one of these and you plug it in
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to the lightning port that comes with it,
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it comes with a lightning to USB cord.
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If you plug that lightning to USB cord into the keyboard
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and into your Mac running El Capitan, it instapares.
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So you don't have to do Bluetooth pairing or anything.
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It sees that you've attached the Magic keyboard, and maybe that's what the Magic is, and it
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instantly pairs, which is just a really nice touch.
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And it's fun to not have to go through that.
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And they say that it lasts a long time.
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In a two-hour charge, you can get more than a month of use, they say, out of it.
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it's just another place to charge your Apple Pencil. I guess so. I don't think that...
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we'll see. I've been thinking about that recently, like all of the places in my life that I could
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charge an Apple Pencil and it seems like I'm now going to have some more options. But I've
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got this Logitech rechargeable keyboard and it runs out of battery like every week and
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Apple says this is a month or more, depending on how you use it. And I should say that the
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The story Apple's telling with all of these devices is that it's about getting the batteries
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out and they tell an environmental story like it's much better that now it's a rechargeable
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thing instead of having people use batteries that you then throw away in a landfill or
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something like that.
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I like the idea of rechargeable devices because I mean I use rechargeable batteries for my
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input devices but it's still a pain that I have to keep recharging these batteries separately
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and then I...
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Yeah and they often don't last as long then.
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Yeah they don't last as long at all.
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So that seems like a good thing for me.
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I don't know if I would switch to the Magic Keyboard because I use one of these ergonomic
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Yeah, you wouldn't, you probably wouldn't do it.
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So there's not really a lot of benefit.
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I'm using this Logitech rechargeable keyboard that is very similar to this one, in fact,
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and I might switch.
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So it doesn't sound like there's a lot of magic in this keyboard, so I hope there's
00:56:41
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a little bit more magic in the trackpad and mouse.
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There's more magic in the trackpad.
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Okay, this is a shame.
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Trackpad, so similarly, the Trackpad is charged via lightning and will pair via
00:56:56
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lightning to a Mac running El Capitan via USB. You can use these
00:57:01
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with things that aren't running El Capitan, I think, but they will lack in a
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lot of functionality. So the new Magic Trackpad is not silver on top,
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it's white, which I think is interesting. The Trackpad space is
00:57:17
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29% more area, so it's physically a much larger trackpad. It's basically, if you imagine the
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Magic Trackpad, it's got that whole non-trackpad part up at the top, which is also where the
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batteries live. You cut that off, imagine that that's gone, but then you add another sort of
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inch on the side of the trackpad, so it's shorter and wider. It isn't, again, angled as high,
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because it doesn't have the AA batteries in there.
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That's big though.
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And of course, so it's, well, it's a little bit bigger. It's just, it's a little bit wider.
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But not as high. And it matches the keyboard perfectly. And it's, so it's a glass trackpad.
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And of course the old Magic Trackpad, and Apple is happy to point out its flaws now,
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It had the little feet that sat on the desk and they sort of indented when you pressed
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them, but they were at the bottom so you couldn't really click as well from the top, and of
00:58:21
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course this one clicks everywhere because it's a Force Touch.
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And they're still calling it Force Touch?
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They still are, because that's what the feature is on the Mac.
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Maybe they'll change it later.
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I wondered if maybe this would be like the overall, like, you know, the next shift.
00:58:37
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oh, this is 3D touch, like weird, but okay.
00:58:41
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- I think 3D touch is a different feature, right?
00:58:43
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It's a, this is what this is called
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and they're not gonna rebrand it yet.
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I think maybe that'll take an OS revision
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before they do that.
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- Seems like it.
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- But anyway, it doesn't depress.
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Actually, if you look all around,
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the whole top of it is kind of floating over
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a very thin sort of squishy something.
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I'm not quite sure what it is, but if you turn it off,
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if you watch as you press,
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You can see that the physical,
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the glass top does depress a little bit,
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but if you turn it off and try to do it,
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you don't feel anything.
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I mean, it is not, you would never feel a click.
00:59:18
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So the click feelings are all emulated through vibration
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just as they were on the MacBook.
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It's the same idea and on the new MacBook Pros
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that use this technology.
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And you can do the force touch,
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You can press harder on a word in a web browser
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and it pops up the definitions
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and all the other things that you could do on the laptop,
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you can now do on a desktop with this track pad.
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And it's even got, just as the laptops do,
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it even has a setting for the sound of the click.
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So it's got in it,
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I think it's got a little speaker in it somewhere
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that makes the sound that you associate with clicking
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and you can turn that off.
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And it still makes a little bit of a noise
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because it's vibrating.
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Certainly on my desk, it makes a little bit of a noise,
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but it's much quieter when you do that.
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And it's actually a little disconcerting.
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I turned the click back on.
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And this is why they have it, but it's totally artificial.
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It's like cars that pipe in that make fake car noise,
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electric cars that make fake car noise
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'cause they want it to sound more like a car.
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It's a little bit like that.
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And that's true on the MacBook, the same thing.
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They add some clicking noise to give you more feel
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that it's actually clicking, even though it's not really,
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it's just all in your head.
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- The thing that keeps sticking with me though,
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that you mentioned a moment ago,
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is that they changed it to white.
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- Yeah, it's white.
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- So the keyboard, is it aluminum and white?
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Yes, so it's matching the keycaps.
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Interesting.
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Rather than the metal frame.
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Yeah, I was surprised too.
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Seems odd, I can't really put my finger on why,
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'cause everything else has white in it,
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all of the other input devices.
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But usually track pads,
01:01:13
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well I guess track pads do for, anyway, nevermind.
01:01:16
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But so anything else in the track pad that's interesting?
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So yeah, two hour charge,
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month or more of use they say,
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and you can click because it's this force touch,
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you can click anywhere on it.
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So there's this clickable area is much larger.
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And of course the actual surface area of the thing
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is much larger too.
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- And I've been using it for the weekend
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and it feels good.
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I'm a magic mouse user and I like it.
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That said, the number of things you can force touch
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in OS X, it's still not particularly great.
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But I feel like this is actually going to speed adoption
01:01:51
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of those features because of a couple things.
01:01:54
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One, it makes those features accessible
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to everybody who doesn't have those new laptops.
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And especially developers oftentimes
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are using a desktop computer
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and don't have access to those features.
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And now they can buy the Magic Trackpad
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and they can actually get those features
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and see for them themselves.
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And that's a nice, I think that will help
01:02:18
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that developers can actually try this stuff out now
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instead of kind of scoffing and saying,
01:02:23
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"No, it's not that important.
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I'm not gonna bother."
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So I hope to see more because honestly,
01:02:28
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there are not a lot of places
01:02:29
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where I'm using the Force Touch feature now.
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And I would like more of that.
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- There isn't peak and pop in OS X yet, is there?
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- No, I mean, it could be implemented by somebody,
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but they would have to do it themselves.
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Whereas in iOS 9, it's implemented,
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Apple has provided an API for peak and pop,
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but there's nothing like that.
01:02:51
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My hope is that there's either in an OS X update or in the next version next year that
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they kind of revisit all of this stuff and make it more consistent and maybe they change
01:03:03
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But it hasn't happened yet.
01:03:06
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And the Magic Mouse 2 then.
01:03:08
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So I was hoping that this was going to solve an issue that I'm having.
01:03:12
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So you know how much I love, as everybody does, the Logitech MX Master.
01:03:18
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I'm having severe wrist pain and I think it's to blame.
01:03:22
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I think the reason is, is because I set it up
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with all these buttons to do all of these things.
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I think I'm exercising muscles in my hands and wrists
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so I shouldn't be to make it do certain things
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like clicking this button to change spaces
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and this button to pause.
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I think that the movements that I'm doing
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with my hand and wrist are not good for it.
01:03:46
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So I was hoping, what I was hoping was I was gonna be able to get a new Magic Mouse which had some false touchy type stuff in it
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or something that would be a bit more useful to me, but this doesn't sound like what is about to be described to me.
01:04:00
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- No, it is very much like the old Magic Mouse.
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Apple says that the structure is a little more rigid and the feet have been redesigned and that it's lighter.
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So they say that, you know, it clicks better and has a better feel in your hand.
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But, and I'm not a mouse user, so I'm going to kind of take them at their
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word here, but I don't really know.
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But, uh, what it does have, so beyond those things, what it does have is a
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lightning port, it, you can plug to pair.
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It recharges.
01:04:34
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Now the problem is the lightning port is on the bottom.
01:04:36
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So here's the question.
01:04:38
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What happens when you're in the middle of a project
01:04:42
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and the Magic Mouse 2 runs out of battery?
01:04:45
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- That's crazy, 'cause the MX Master charges via USB,
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but the USB port is right in the front,
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so you plug it in and it's just like a wired mouse.
01:04:54
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- So what Apple says is, in 30 seconds,
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you can get four hours of use,
01:04:58
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and in a minute you can get an eight hour day
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of use out of it.
01:05:02
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- All right.
01:05:03
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- So if you end up in trouble, you plug it in for a minute,
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and then you're good for the rest of the day,
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and then overnight you let it charge.
01:05:10
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But that's it though.
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There's no force anything.
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It's a physically moving,
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pivots from the back,
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so you click on the top magic mouse.
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So there's not, I would say it's not a huge story,
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but it is different,
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and the big story is that it's lighter and rechargeable.
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I am a trackpad user. I might start using the trackpad more as a way to combat these issues that I'm having,
01:05:42
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so maybe I'll pick up one of these trackpads as well and see what it's like.
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But I'm sad about the mouse, I was hoping to get a little bit more than that.
01:05:50
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Yeah, it's not that exciting.
01:05:55
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But again, they claim about a month. All of these devices, they say it's basically got a month-ish of battery life.
01:06:02
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And all of this stuff is available now?
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All of this stuff should be available now.
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In quantity is my understanding for the IMAX. They should be in stores.
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Lovely. So this is, I think they've been making them and now they're releasing them to the wild.
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This is not one of those, "yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be..." This is probably one of those things where
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if they'd wanted to, they could have mentioned it back on September 9th, but they didn't want to and
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that was a really busy thing and they would have had to say, "well, they're shipping in October."
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But instead they just didn't say anything and then, you know, here's the announcement.
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So here it is, new iMacs, new keyboard, new trackpad, slightly new mouse.
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And yeah, it's news from Apple.
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- Overall good stuff, you feel?
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- Yeah, well, the keyboard is a huge relief. I mean, we can talk about this. I'm still trying
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to get some perspective on it and working on some stories that I'm going to post in six colors about
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this stuff. But the keyboard, I am, as somebody who's not a fan of the MacBook keyboard and hey,
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some people like it and and and good good for them it's great but I don't like
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it I think it's a I think it's a mistake to put that keyboard with all of its
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compromises on other devices and even Apple when they introduced it admitted
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that it was compromised but they needed to do it for the MacBook I'm really
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happy to see that there's a brand new keyboard created by Apple that isn't the
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MacBook keyboard brought to the external keyboard but is something that maybe
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take some cues from it in terms of what they tried to do like improving key
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stability but uses scissor mechanism and you know we'll see what the keyboard
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snobs all say about whether it's any good or not but I will say this it is
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way better than that MacBook keyboard in my estimation and that's a that's a good
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sign that Apple doesn't think that the MacBook keyboard is the one that
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everybody should use and that it will probably not appear on all its devices
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So I like the keyboard, but I think I love the signal it sends about what Apple thinks about keyboards, which is not quite
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what I feared it would be. And the Magic Trackpad 2 is really nice, and I, you know, as a Magic Trackpad user,
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I am absolutely gonna buy it because I like, you know, I like the idea of
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Cool sounds good. All right. Should we do some ask upgrade to round out today's episode?
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Let's do it and I look forward to next week talking about hopefully the new 27 inch high back that I will purchase
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there's a mail bagging reference.
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- Wow, yeah.
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And I have been, David Law has told me to keep listening.
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Is it people he tells me?
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- Ooh, I like that.
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I like that phrasing.
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Yeah, it's funny.
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And short, they're all about 20 minutes long.
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I would imagine that are in your podcast players
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because it's fictional and has sound effects
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and acting from good actors,
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who may or may not be good actors and much more.
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So yeah, please check it out.
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But there is a Mailrat sponsor the first four episodes.
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So there are lots of jokes in there,
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including a mail bagging joke that relate to that.
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So for upgrade listeners, that's a little call back.
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Our first question this week comes from,
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I believe this name would be Hjalta.
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I'm gonna go with that.
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- I think so.
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- You said that Touch ID is faster on the success.
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Is it also more accurate,
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i.e. more forgiving of smudgy and sweaty fingers?
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I have found that yes to be the case.
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It feels more accurate to me.
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Jason, would you agree?
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- I don't know if I have done it enough
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to say that it definitely is.
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It seems like I'm not getting rejected by Touch ID
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like I used to,
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even when there's moisture on my fingertips.
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But, you know, I'm glad that you have that perception
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because I haven't been through it enough times
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to say that it's definitely that way,
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but it seems like it may be.
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- One annoyance that I have with the new Touch ID sensor now
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is how much harder it is to activate the Apple Pay gesture
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with the double tap.
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- Uh-huh, because it wants to unlock your phone.
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- Yeah, 'cause it's just like,
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"oh you want to unlock? Great, here you go." But if you unlock then you can double tap and it will
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go to Apple Pay. Really? Yeah. Double tap, yeah okay. Or I mean double press the home button.
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Well doesn't that activate multitasking though? Oh you're right, you're right. I thought no,
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it's got to be on the lock screen. Well that's no good. Well just don't activate it, just
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I don't know that you're right that is a problem. Yeah I find that I have to like hit it with my
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nail like you know purposely try and get away from it but um yeah it's a lot faster. If I want
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to see the lock screen I do a lot of uh it's like my thumb is on is on tiptoes I do it like the edge
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of my thumb the front of my thumb where it can't recognize my thumb I do I do that a lot. Yeah
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The problems is the faster Touch ID. Jeremy asked, "With iOS 9, iTunes does not seem to transfer
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purchases. This means if I upgrade my phone to a 6s, I will have to redownload apps. With a limited
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bandwidth as a rural user, I can't afford to download apps again." So this goes back to that
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discussion we've been having recently, and this definitely seems to be the case, right? Like,
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if you do an iOS 9 upgrade now, your purchases are redownloaded from the cloud. Like, I can't
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seem, or I couldn't seem to find a way to get transfer purchases to mean that when
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I did my backup, I restored from backup, it seemed like everything just went to download
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from the cloud.
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Yeah, that was my experience too, and I think it's a mistake.
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I think Apple needs to provide a way for you to completely image your phone and then restore
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Because for people like Jeremy, that is a cost to him.
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It comes out of his pocket to get his phone back to normal again.
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This is an example of a lack of perspective that happens sometimes, I think, when people
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who work at Apple and have great internet connections and have huge amounts of data
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and don't worry about this stuff don't realize that people in rural areas are on super slow
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data or super slow cellular and may be metered.
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And there's so many different reasons why you can't just assume that you're going to
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reinstall everything from the cloud.
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And I feel like this is an example where that has become a problem, where Apple apparently
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has lost that perspective and they need to get it back.
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Because, yeah, if I'm somewhere far away, if I'm in Antarctica, right, and I don't have
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an internet connection to speak of, except some, you know, tiny satellite thing that
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comes over every few hours, and I want to restore my phone, I should probably—I've
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got all the data right there, right?
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I shouldn't need to give up until I leave
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when the summer comes and I can get back out again
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or whatever it is, sorry Antarctica.
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But you see what I mean?
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I mean, a lot of times people are in data challenge
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situations and the data is right on your phone,
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you should be able to do something with it.
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And I think it's problematic that you can't.
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So if people have tips about ways to get around this,
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I would love to hear it, but I think Apple needs to make
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this an easier process. This goes back to what we were talking about a couple
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weeks ago when we were talking about upgrade problems is it would really be
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nice if Apple would let you plug in your phone and say, "All right, I'm transferring
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this to a new phone," press a button, have it suck everything off of it, and then
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have it say, "Okay, plug in your new phone," and then drop everything back onto it.
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And we don't have that right now. And this falls in that category too, where
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you shouldn't have to take an app that you already have downloaded and
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re-download it. Yep, I agree. It's a shame. Sorry Jeremy, we can't help, I don't think though.
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Afraid not. David asked, "With ongoing iCloud issues and storage costs, should I upgrade to
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the iPad Pro to replace my MacBook Air or go with a new Mac?" So my feeling for this question,
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I feel like a lot of people might ask this question or be asking it of themselves, I think
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the iPad Pro is only an option as a replacement for you if you can currently do it with an iPad
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right now. If right now you can't take an iPad Air and replace your laptop with
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that then the iPad Pro will not be an answer to you is the way that I feel.
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Because all the iPad Pro is doing is giving you more space and more power and
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a bit more flexibility with input devices. It's not currently at least you
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know it's not feasible to say now that it's going to fundamentally
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change the iPad in any way greater than that. It may over time but that's not
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going to happen in a month's time from now. Like if you can't currently do all of your
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work on an iPad, even if it, you know, just maybe it's a bit more cramped, then you won't
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be able to switch to the iPad Pro completely. That's what my feeling.
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I agree because you can use external keyboards with the iPad Air and you can use pens, although
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not maybe of the quality of the Apple Pencil, you can use different pens with those. So
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If you can't make a go of it now,
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just because the iPad Pro is gonna be bigger and faster
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and have the Apple Pencil support,
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but really it's still running iOS.
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It's gonna be what an iPad is.
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And if that's not enough, then the answer is no.
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I don't really understand the,
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with ongoing iCloud issues and storage costs here too,
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because either an iPad or a MacBook Air
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can bypass Apple's stuff for a lot.
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You know, you can use other services other than Apple's.
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You have to sign in with your Apple ID for a few things,
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including apps, but so much of the stuff can be replaced.
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So I'm not sure that it's as big an issue as that.
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I feel like unless you're having kind of huge iCloud issues
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with restoring or something like that,
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but otherwise, you know, you can use Dropbox
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or you can use Microsoft stuff with the iPad
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or with your Mac.
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and I'm not sure that that is going to make a big difference.
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Yep, definitely. And finally today Brandon asked,
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"What do you think Amazon is doing with the Kindle? They haven't changed it to be
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a better reading device in a while." What do you think, Jason? So obviously
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this is the e-ink Kindle, right? Yeah, I'm a fan and I, you know, I've
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bought many and I'm using their current version, the
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Voyage. I guess they've got a new, an updated
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version of it, but I've got the first generation of the Kindle Voyage.
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I think that they have a place until other devices can do what they do in terms of readability
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in providing contrast and readability in bright light and battery life. So I think that
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it's a good niche product. It's not for everybody. I know a lot of people are reading books on their
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on their smartphones or their iPads and that's fine, but for some of us, including me, the
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the Kindle is a nice dedicated reading device.
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And I love that I have a dedicated reading device.
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That's where my books are.
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And I read on that device and I find it pleasant
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that that is the place that I'm doing it.
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Is that a big enough market for Amazon
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to invest a lot of R&D into that?
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I don't know.
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I mean, you could argue that it's not.
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You could also argue that Amazon owns that market.
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And so they wanna keep pushing the ball forward there.
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Amazon's had a lot of problems with a lot of their hardware.
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So, you know, this is,
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I don't know enough about what's happening inside Amazon
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to know whether they're investing anything at all
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in Kindle or not.
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They did, you know, they added a font and some other stuff.
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I would hope that they were continuing to improve it.
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You know, that said, I feel like the hardware
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is pretty good.
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They can, you know, if the E Ink screens
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just keep getting better and more high resolution,
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that's nice.
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I think their software is due for a refresh
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'cause I think the Kindle software is,
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feels, still feels really primitive.
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but I don't know.
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- It feels to me like that product has matured
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and really now is incremental change and software revisions
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is the only thing that they can really do.
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- Yeah, yeah, I mean, the,
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they will, they'll push it forward as the technology
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'cause I think E-Ink stuff will continue to get better.
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But yeah, it has matured and it is very targeted
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at what it, at this little audience.
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And with the rise of tablets and smartphones,
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it isn't because it isn't for everyone.
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That is, you know, if I were Amazon as a cold,
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you know, cold business decision,
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I think it would be hard for me to justify
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huge amounts of investment in the Kindle
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because how much of a growth area is that?
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It's a nice product that does a pretty good job
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at what it does and doesn't need to be more than it is.
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Like I said, I'd rather they invest in making the software
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on the existing devices better
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than in building new devices or build new devices
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that are not that different from the old ones
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but have much better software in them.
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I think that would be better
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'cause I think the Kindle software,
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the typography, the user interfaces,
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it could do some more work there,
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but they're fine.
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I like my Kindle.
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I'd like to see them marching forward.
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I just don't want them to be discontinued.
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So I hope they continue to make them.
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- That would be crazy to me
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if they got rid of that product.
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It's so cool to Amazon's business.
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- Yeah, I think you're right.
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- There've got to be enough people there
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that care about reading.
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- So many readers are not tech people too.
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I think we lose, again, with the tech podcast world
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and tech media world, we lose sight of the fact
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that so many people who are readers are not us.
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There is a huge, the book reading audience is big,
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but it is demographically very different
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from the tech audience.
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It is more women, it is older,
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and I would say it is less comfortable with technology.
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And so, Kindles can be really good
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for people who are older, less comfortable with technology,
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because this is like a book, you know,
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except you can buy things right on it.
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And I've seen that happen time and again.
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Over time, you know, like I kept buying
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or handing down older Kindles to my mom
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and she's got an iPad now
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and she doesn't need the Kindle anymore.
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She doesn't use the Kindle anymore
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because she just does it on the iPad now.
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But you know, and that may continue to happen
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where people who might be perfect targets for this
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have other devices and feel that they're, you know, they don't need, if you're less
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technical and you've already got an iPad, you're probably not inclined to be a multi-device
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person, right? You want to simplify. And I think the Kindle gets the boot in that case.
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So, so yeah, I love it. It's a niche that I'm in, but I appreciate that it's a, it's
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a little niche.
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>>Right. I think that about wraps up this week. Um, Jason, where should people go to
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read all of your coverage, um, and your thoughts about this, uh, these new products today?
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You can read my review of the 21.5-inch iMac, 4K iMac, on Macworld.
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You can read about a whole bunch of other stuff, including the input devices and some
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other thoughts about the iMac line, at sixcolors.com.
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And as always, you can find me on Twitter @jsnell and read me in general on sixcolors.com.
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Okay, you can find the new mic at the movies subcast.
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Is that--that's your phrasing for them, isn't it?
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No, that's not a podcast.
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That's a podcast.
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This is a full-on podcast.
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Wow, look at that.
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Look at that.
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That's over at the incomparable.com/mike, which is my favorite URL on the internet now.
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And you can find our show notes for this week, which has links to all of that sort of stuff
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over at relay.fm/upgrade/58.
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Thanks again to our lovely sponsors for this week's episode, the great people over at Braintree,
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Hover, and Stamps.com.
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Thank you so much for your support.
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And most of all, thank you for listening.
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We'll be back next time.
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Jason will be maybe the same and I will be with a wallet that is very much lighter.
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Until then, say goodbye Mr. Snow.
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Bye everybody.
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