46: The S Could Stand for Snell
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 46. Today's show is brought to you by
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Lynda.com where you can instantly stream thousands of courses created by industry experts,
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text expander from Smile, type more with less effort, and Fracture. Photos printed in vivid
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color directly on glass. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by the wonderful Mr. Jason
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Oh, that's very nice of you to say. Hi, Myke. You are pretty wonderful yourself. Welcome
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to the Mutual Admiration Society, I suppose. How are you?
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I am very well, sir. How are you?
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Good, good. Very good. Have a good... Have a weekend, actual weekend, which I very rarely
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have. It was... That was very nice. My wife and I are here. The kids are coming back in
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couple of days but they're with their grandparents and we I didn't have an
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incomparable episode this weekend so I you know that's hours of editing that I
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often do on Saturday mornings gone I only had I did have a podcast this
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weekend but it was early on Saturday morning and then nothing else the rest
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of the weekend and it was great it was like this must be what we this is why
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people like weekends so it was it was a good rest it was a good break.
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Did you have a lot of weekends when you were at IDG? Or you were still doing all the
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incomparable stuff? Well that's exactly it, all the side project stuff. I mean
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Saturday morning is podcast morning for me, you know, generally I will make, you
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know, breakfast when the kids are here especially, I'll make breakfast and all
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that and we'll do that and then I'll go out and you know I'll spend three or
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four hours working on the incomparable and there's often a podcast recording
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session in there and yeah that was true at IDG as well. Plus you know stuff comes
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up or I've got ongoing stories or things for IDG, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's not that
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different than it was where the weekend is interspersed. I've just got work stuff interspersed
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with life stuff and that's just how it is and that's fine. But this weekend was nice
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in the sense that I sort of said, "No, I'm not gonna do that this weekend. This is our
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last chance to get a couple of days with kind of--we had nothing else on the calendar. Usually
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there's take a kid somewhere and do this or take the kids this way," and there was nothing
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and it was one of those moments of like, "Hey, let's celebrate having nothing on the calendar
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by not putting anything on the calendar." So we didn't. It's not bad.
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>> CHESNEY Not bad. Yeah, my weekends tend to be a balance of life and business, but
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it tends to work out pretty well, actually.
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>> MARTIN I mean, we still did stuff like, um, we went for some walks and, uh, we, uh,
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we did a bunch of house stuff, so like painted, we painted a lot of stuff, like touched up
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a bunch of paint in the house and painted some furniture and bought some
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bought my son a new desk and we did stuff but it wasn't you know we wasn't
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the usual stuff and that was good. I plugged in I rewired my TV with these
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new HDMI cables because I got frustrated by how our TV was set up it was really
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confusing and I couldn't tell what was plugged into where and I bought all these
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color we were longer they need to be longer and not broken because some of
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them were kind of questionable in and I threw them away and they need to be colored so that
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I now know like my TiVo is hooked up with the red cable.
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Did you go with the gold-plated option? No, I got a reasonably priced, mono-priced
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set of cables but they have colors so that makes me happy. So yeah, red for the TiVo.
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Shall we move into your very favorite of all verticals?
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Well it is the container in which all verticals reside, which is follow up slash out.
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Let's do that now.
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So Agus wrote in about our discussion last week in Ask Upgrade about Touch ID in apps,
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and this is what Agus had to say.
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There's another reason that you may have not mentioned about why Touch ID exists in applications,
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because we were questioning as to whether you need it if you lock your phone.
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Apps that use Touch ID also have access to the Safari Keychain.
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This means that apps that require a username and password to access a web component, such
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as the Backblaze app and also sections of the Apple Store and Amazon apps, can retrieve
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these details by using Touch ID instead of having to ask every time they're launched,
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assuming the login details are obviously saved in the Keychain.
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Yeah, that's a good tip, Angus.
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I've noticed this with, I mean, this is why you lock your phone too, because Safari won't
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let you have access to Safari Keychain
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unless you've got a lock on it.
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And I was just, it can be really convenient.
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I was on this iPad 2 that I'm using,
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iPad Air 2 that I'm using for iOS 9.
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I realized I didn't have Safari stuff synced.
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And once I did that and my password began,
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started just showing up everywhere, it's very convenient.
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Even if you use one password, having stuff saved
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in the Safari Keychain can be incredibly convenient
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because it just auto fills it
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and you don't even need to look it up.
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And I do that for some stuff.
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And so, yeah, you would want that to be locked away,
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obviously, so that's another good reason.
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I am happy to have more reasons to use Touch ID.
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I wish Touch ID was everywhere,
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because it's so much easier to just verify it
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with my thumbprint than to have to deal with typing
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a password in somewhere.
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I'd love it to be everywhere.
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- I wish it was on my Mac.
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- I was thinking about that the other day.
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I was typing something in and thinking,
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this Mac's never gonna have it
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'cause it would be a new Mac hardware,
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but I would love to have that.
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Or somebody was speculating,
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I remember reading somewhere,
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somebody was speculating of like a new Magic Trackpad
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that maybe was Force Touch,
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but that maybe it would also have a Touch ID sensor
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somewhere in it.
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That would be cool.
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Although I don't know whether securely,
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whether you can do something like Touch ID
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with a wireless device or not,
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'cause there might be some man in the middle
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or some other kind of security problems there.
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But yeah, it would be nice to do something like Touch ID
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on the Mac just to not have to type in that password
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because my voice is my passport, verify me.
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That's from sneakers, Myke.
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- Indeed, I know that very well.
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- Will has provided another way
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in which you can shuffle artists
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and this also will provide a little bit of clarification
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that I don't think I was completely clear on.
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So if you remember in previous episodes we've spoken about the fact that you can't very easily play artists
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like you just shuffle all songs in an artist if they have more than two albums in
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Apple music if you have more than two albums specific artist the option to shuffle all songs goes away
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But we'll discovered that if you go to the artist view
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So you've got the list of all artists and you tap on the thumbnail of the artwork
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It just starts playing all songs and then you can shuffle them. This is exactly what I was looking for
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However, I now know that it's not what Jason was looking for at all.
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And I think me, along with many other people, have missed this.
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So I'm going to try and sum this up for you, Jason.
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Because I'm worried that we've not been able to get this locked down.
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What I am looking for is I, for example, have Kings of Leon.
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I have added all of Kings of Leon's albums into my Apple Music collection.
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So they are there.
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So now I can go in, press the album artwork on the artist view, and it will start playing
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you're looking for is a way to search for Kings of Leon and then shuffle
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shuffle play all of their albums without adding them to your collection.
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Right, that was what I was looking for is how do I how do I go to an
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artist that I'm interested in hearing from and not all artists have a playlist
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that says intro to this artist right how so how do I listen to songs of theirs
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and one of my thoughts is just why don't I just shuffle through their albums just
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you know, just shuffle all their songs. Now there's problems with that because there's a lot of junk,
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duplicates, special editions, things like that, but that was just my thought was,
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when I go to any artist I should be able to say, you know, play me some stuff from this artist.
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And you can't do that unless you add them. I mean, you could play stuff, but it doesn't seem like you
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can play, like, show me a sample or just show me a random collection of this artist. Instead,
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you need to either add them to your library, or if you're lucky, there's a playlist and then that
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solves it, because then there's a, you know, intro to artist name. Like, intro to Kings of Leon is
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probably a playlist, and I could go there and play that not knowing them, and those playlists are
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really designed for me, because you know them well, and so it wouldn't be—I see those playlists on
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artists I know, and I'm like, "No, I could make my own playlist, thank you." But for me, as somebody
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who doesn't know an artist, that would be really useful. But sometimes they're not there, and then
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then I end up in this situation where I don't think you can go into like their list of songs
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and just shuffle that.
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What you could do is, I was just looking this up, you could search for the artist name and
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then in the search results, click on the heading of songs and you can play it that way. But
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the problem with that is it plays absolutely everything including all of the album songs,
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of the singles from those albums all live is everything right that's the
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problem but it is possible to select somebody like that and just play
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everything however I just did a search for Alabama shakes which is a which is a
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bad that I quite like but the problem is as you go further down there is stuff
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that is not Alabama shakes in here so actually that won't work hmm this is a
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conundrum. Right, because it's finding everything that matches... yeah, I
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saw that too, where I searched for Genesis for a forthcoming episode of a
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different podcast, because I was listening to some Genesis in advance of
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doing that podcast, and I could play from that songs list, but that songs
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list also contained all the songs with the word Genesis in it, so it wasn't
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it wasn't an artist shuffle at that point.
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But I could go into that artist, I just don't, you know,
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this is, what I'm really saying is,
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maybe what I'm asking for is a programmatic playlist,
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if you don't have a really good intro playlist,
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give me a, you know, most popular songs
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by this artist playlist or something, 'cause I--
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- Some artists do have that, so again,
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like Zalabamushakes is an example,
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they have a, it just says top songs,
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just has like seven songs, but it's not a playlist, it's just the most popular songs
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by the artist. Right, so that's, I want more of that, because
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for me, I hear about a band, I know nothing about them, I've only heard one song by them
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in some other playlist, I go, "Oh, they're interesting, what do I do?" And right now,
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it seems like what I really need to do if they don't have a playlist that's been curated
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for them is sort of just pick an album at random and start playing it. But what if I
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to add like three albums and shuffle them. I can do it, but it's more work. So I just
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feel like that's a discovery thing that I have, that I desire, that I would like to
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see. But, you know, it's early yet. Oh, and listener Rich also suggested, and I think
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this actually does work, is use Siri and tell Siri to play music from a band and it will
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find 20 songs by that artist and play them.
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So it turns out that there are many, many ways to pronounce the name of the T that we
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were talking about during the New Mexico Tea Company.
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The South African Tea?
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So many people wrote in, many people wrote in, many people were angry.
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And there are two different ways to pronounce the T which is spelled R-O-O-I-B-O-S.
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There is an English way and a Dutch way.
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So I'm going to do my best here.
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The English way is "Roybos" and the Dutch way is "Royboush".
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But many people call it Redbush, because that's what that translates to.
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That's what it means, yeah.
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Yep, Redbush tea.
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So, there you go.
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I'll put a link in the show notes to the Wikipedia page, which has the audio clips, which I attempted
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to pronounce in my own way.
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And it's actually "Wictionary" rather than Wikipedia.
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And it's still pronounced "Hibiscus".
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No, "Hibiscus".
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No, yeah, well, it's all Hibiscus.
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- Yeah, well, all hibiscus is so close.
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Hibiscus, I think you know more,
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especially if you're near Hawaii,
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'cause it's a very common thing in Hawaii
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and I've been to Hawaii many times.
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You've never been to Hawaii, right?
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- I've never been to Hawaii.
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It's high on my list of places to go though.
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- You should, yeah, you should go sometime.
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That's the kind of thing that,
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given how far away it is for you,
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that's the kind of thing where if you are going
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to the west coast of North America,
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planning it into something like that before or after
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or during a trip to the west coast of North America
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is one way to fit it in.
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'Cause it is just,
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for people who don't live in California, essentially,
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it is out in the middle of nowhere
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because it's in the middle of the Pacific Ocean,
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but it's great.
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It's my favorite place in the world.
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- Yeah, it's high on the list.
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- Yeah, get there someday.
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Volcanoes, you know.
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- My favorite. - Lava.
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I love it. You should say, um, tell, say, I love some lava.
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I love some lava. Okay. It's just fun. It's more fun English
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accent. Anyway. Oh, are you a lava lover?
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A lava lover, yep. Okay. We got a lot of feedback about the space
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stuff we talked about. I pelted you with space facts, which I have to say, um, I have been
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doing to people around me since I was in first grade. I remember very distinctly that I got
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some book about the planets in first grade and actually like would read facts from the
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book to my classmates in first grade and it is a wonder that they didn't just like punch
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me in the face and throw me down in the dirt. So I've been doing it since then so I you
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got to you got to hear it from me and then later in the week you got to hear it from
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Steven on connected because you have the pleasure to host podcasts with two people who are space
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fans. So you got it twice. I really enjoyed it though because I, you know, like all nerds,
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space is interesting to me. I've just never spent a lot of time learning about it, you
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know? Yeah, so we were hopefully able to kind of boil it down and make it, you know, make
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it understandable and interesting. We got some really nice feedback from people about
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it which was great. I did make a mistake which I heard about several times because that's
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what happens with podcasts is you make the mistake once, and then as people listen to
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it over the course of the week, they all tell you that you're wrong. Yay! New Horizons,
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when it left the Earth, was the fastest launch of an object going that we've sent out into
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the solar system. But it is not the fastest moving object because both of the Voyager
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probes at the very least, there may actually be some others too, but certainly the Voyagers
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are going faster. They went around Jupiter and Saturn, and when you go around a big planet
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like that, it usually is increasing your speed and pushing you on to the next one. They have
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a sort of gravity assist thing that happens, and it's complicated. So I'm not going to
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talk about it too much because then I'll have to correct that next week. But the idea is
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the Voyagers are going faster. So New Horizons is never going to catch up. The Voyager 2,
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I think will be the furthest out object that we've made for, you know, the foreseeable
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future. So we got a nice bit of feedback from Andy, listener Andy, who enjoyed our accidental
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astronomy and asked if there were any beginner level astronomy podcasts to recommend. Back
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in the early days of podcasting, I actually listened to these podcasts like 2008, 2009,
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somewhere in there, that are by a guy named Richard Pogge, who is a astronomy professor
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at Ohio State University, and we'll put the link to his page in the show notes. It's an
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old school, it's like a tilde, it's got a tilde in the directory name, it is old school
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web, but it's got links to, he did, he recorded himself with several of his introductory astronomy
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classes. There are three that I listen to that are all still up from 2008, 2007, 2009.
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And they're in, I think they're in the iTunes podcast directory, but he's also got the direct
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links on his site. So we'll put that in the show notes. And then he's, Pogge, P-O-G-G-E,
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he actually has a more recent course in iTunes U that you can also listen to. I think he's
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a really good teacher, which is not always the case with professors at major universities.
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They're there because they're good at research and getting grants and things like that, and
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the teaching is often secondary. But Pogge, I thought, was just a really, first, I love
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that in 2007 he bought himself an MP3 recorder and a clip on microphone and just thought,
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wouldn't it be cool if I could record my lectures? And then he also made them available to the
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students so that if they missed a lecture they could listen back, or if they were there
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they could still listen back, which I always thought was really cool. And there were good
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courses. So I recommend those if you really want to dive in. They are intended as essentially
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introductory courses. One of them is about the solar system, it just goes through every
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part of the solar system. It's good stuff. In terms of like modern podcasts, Neil deGrasse
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Tyson's StarTalk podcast is widely loved, so I'll throw that out there. I really enjoyed
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the NPR Science Friday podcast, which they, I don't know if they still do this or not,
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one of the things I liked about it is they split all the segments up into individual
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items, so they would do a show for a couple of hours, but instead of dropping like one
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podcast, they would drop all the segments. And I always like that because I could listen
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to the segments that interested me and skip the ones that didn't.
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So it's kind of like chapter markers.
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Yeah, a little bit, except instead they're just episodes are the chapters. Each segment
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is its own episode and they drop, you know, a bunch of episodes every Friday. And of course
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you and Steven introduced the best space podcast to never exist, which is Space and Cider.
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Not Space Insider, that's a website. It's Space and Cider because people drink cider
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while talking about space, and you can't get that anywhere because it is made up.
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So it really sounded like he said that.
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I know, I know, but he didn't.
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I actually just bought spaceandcyder.com.
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Alright just in case, just in case, just in case, you never know.
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You never know.
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So a couple weeks ago we were talking about my knowledge of the US states.
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I can't even remember how this came up.
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And I said I would take a quiz,
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and a couple of days after the show I did,
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but we forgot to talk about it last week.
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- Right, there's so much last week.
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- Yeah, have you seen the results of my US state quiz?
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I sent it to you, and I'm gonna put a link in the show notes
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to a PDF of my quiz results.
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Oh, here it is, here it is, okay.
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I hadn't looked at that.
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I wanted to be surprised.
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- So I got 16 correct.
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- Wow, that's 32%, Myke, that's not a passing grade.
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- What do you think about that?
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16, correct.
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Do you think that that is a bad score?
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Like, all things considered?
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- Well, for an American, that's a very,
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I think, a very bad score.
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For a person from England, probably not.
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I'm looking at your results here.
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This is, well, okay, you got Alaska and Hawaii.
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- Easy, they were the easy ones.
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So that gives you 14 continental United States. What states have you been to in the United States?
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California, and you got that one right. Yep. Oregon, you got that one right. Portland.
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I always say the places. Yeah, I've been to Nevada. Yeah, you got that one right.
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I've been to Michigan. And you didn't get that one. Nope. And maybe that's it. Oh, Tennessee.
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Tennessee and Georgia and you you didn't get you didn't get Georgia and you did
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get Tennessee yep so I think that there are some some pretty bad results on here
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but overall I'm proud that I was able to get any to be honest because it's
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difficult I've never studied this like why would we have you know you got you
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got Idaho. Yep. You thought you thought Montana was Wisconsin. Wow. I don't even know why that's funny.
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Wisconsin's not... okay so if are you looking at the map? Yep. Okay are you
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looking at number six Montana? Mm-hmm. Okay go to the right. That's North and
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South Dakota. Go to the right. Yep. That's Minnesota. Mm-hmm. Go to the right. Mm-hmm.
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that's Wisconsin. Okay. 34. Well at least it was at the top though. It was at the top. You got, you got, right, you got
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the what the X right but not the Y. So here's the other thing about this. I had
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to type in the results. I had to bring up a list on Wikipedia of the states
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because I don't know the 50 states. Right? So it's like that is another thing. I didn't even know all the states.
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Like I probably could have only done about 20. How did you get, you got Wyoming
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right that is a good guess yeah those are the square states those are really
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hard to get the square state complete guesses basically if it wasn't super
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obvious right like Texas you said Utah was Indiana Wow and Utah you labeled
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well what is it Arizona you labeled as Utah okay I can see that I can see that
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You you named Colorado as Illinois. Okay, Illinois is in the Midwest which is not in the middle of the country
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It is that's where Chicago is
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You put Chicago in Denver, basically, that's okay. You got New Mexico, right? You got Texas, right? Texas is a good one
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That's a good anchor on the lower section of the map
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So there are some where it's like I have a vague idea of where this state sits
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Yeah, you've been the country you put
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Missouri in Kansas
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They're next to each other. That's not terrible. You put Oklahoma and Ohio or...
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You put Ohio and Oklahoma, that's not as good.
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You put Louisiana in South Dakota? Okay, that's a bad one. You missed that one by a lot.
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That was... Louisiana's New Orleans, that's like steamy and on the Gulf.
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I really struggled with the northeastern states.
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- Well, they're so little, yeah.
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- 'Cause I know a bunch that are up there.
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I just didn't know which one was which.
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- Also you labeled Delaware as Minnesota.
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It's funny how like this is hilarious to you
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and I have no idea what it's like.
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- Well, it's funny because for me,
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I would think that somebody from the United States
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would get, I mean, look, North and South Dakota,
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you know, you've got the North and South
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so you can figure out which is which there,
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but you've got to know that they're kind of
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in the middle there.
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And if you mix them up with Minnesota,
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or if you mixed Kansas up with Nebraska
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or something like that,
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I would, or Missouri with Iowa and Arkansas,
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I could kind of understand that.
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Or Illinois and Indiana and Ohio,
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I could kind of understand that.
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What's fascinating to me is that you've got states
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that are like, because you don't have any context
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of how the states, like what their character is.
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So like for me, Louisiana is where New Orleans is.
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It is a hot, steamy region.
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it has to be south and it has to be,
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and you probably would know that it like got hit
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by Hurricane Katrina, it's on the Gulf Coast
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and that would be able to place it.
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And you placed it in the Northern Plains near Canada.
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So that's an example where you don't have that context
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to say, what do I know about the state?
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And be able to, you know, other than a few California
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and Florida and things like that.
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- Yeah, see there was some at the end where I was like,
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I have some states left and I have some boxes left.
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So that might've been one of those.
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You know, it's like I'm looking down the list,
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I'm like, I've got three empty boxes,
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I don't know what needs to go here.
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I had to go down through the state list,
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check all the names that I had,
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and then just throw some names in
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and hope that I got some of them right.
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- Yeah, that may explain why you labeled Pennsylvania
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as New York and New York as Vancouver.
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- Can't help you, my friend.
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- That's amazing, it's amazing.
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Well, you know, I'm sure if you gave me
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the 20 most populous cities in the UK and had me label them, I would probably get five.
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Yeah, but I don't even know if I would get them right.
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Oh, okay. Fair enough.
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Because the thing is, like, we're not really... There isn't a focus on it like there is in
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the US. You know, you guys have this focus on yourselves, which is very different to
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how the rest of the world looks at their own country, I think.
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Well, it's a bit con... I mean, this is a little bit like... I keep saying this to people
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who try to compare like the US to a country in Europe.
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It's like, this is a continent.
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So this would be like somebody from Europe learning
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where the other countries in Europe are on a map of Europe.
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- Yeah, I would probably have a better job
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of labeling Europe than places in the UK.
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- Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
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That makes sense.
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It is a lot of states.
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And again, unless, and I don't mean to offend people
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'cause I have relatives in many of these states
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by saying this, but unless you have a personal connection
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or a cultural connection or something like that to a state,
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it's easy to not understand what a state is.
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Because, you know, like I know people in Indiana,
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so I know where Indiana is.
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But if you don't know exactly where it is
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and you don't have any kind of cultural context of,
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I know somebody or there's a, you know,
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like New Orleans gives you Louisiana,
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if you know that context fairly, fairly easily.
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But if you don't, then, you know,
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if you don't know that Maine is just kind of
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all the way up at the top there, which you labeled as Iowa.
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Oh my, that's just hilarious.
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Anyway, then that's why you wouldn't even know.
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And yeah, school children in the US get drilled in this too.
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So that's part of it too.
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But there's also that context thing of just knowing,
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oh, well, New Orleans is hot, so it must be at the bottom.
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- Some, I think some of the ones that I got right
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or close to right was by that kind of thinking.
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But I don't know enough about all of the states
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know exactly what they said. I know about New Orleans as fuck, I didn't
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specifically though it was hot there so it wouldn't have helped me.
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- Yeah, new mind blowing Apple products.
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The, there was--
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- Mind bending I think is a better.
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- Mind touching, mind approaching.
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- Mind shuffling.
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- So the mind, yes, nano mind, touch.
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iPod touch, new iPod touch.
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This is the thing that John Syracuse
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would be dancing in the streets about probably
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if he didn't go and get an iPhone.
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the, he didn't need, if he danced
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and if he went in the street.
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Okay, really John Syracuse,
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he wouldn't have done any of those things.
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Anyway, a new iPod touch with an AA processor.
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So this is one of those things where it's not,
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it is up, it's up to spec with the current models,
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which are 2014, right?
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So it's the 2015 iPod touch has the 2014 era,
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but still current for now,
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processor of the iPhone 6, although probably clocked down somewhat, but still it's an A8-powered
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4-inch, so it's the iPhone 5 series screen still, as it was before.
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And it's its first update in what, three years or something like that? So I mean that's good news.
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- Wow, the enthusiasm,
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this reminds me on clockwise the other week,
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somebody said, who will speak for the iPod?
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And I was like, not me.
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It's kind of fading away,
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but this is still valuable in certain contexts as a product
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because not everybody wants or needs
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or can afford a monthly phone bill with data on it.
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'Cause the data really is where they get you.
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And so I know people who have dumb phones and iPod touches.
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I just feel like with the iPad and the iPad mini,
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it's less exciting than it was.
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People say, well, you can get it for a kid.
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And it's true, you can get it for a kid
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and they can put it in their pocket or something.
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But like, you could also get,
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and it's cheaper than getting an iPad mini even,
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but it's just, it's niche keeps getting smaller and smaller,
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I feel like, but it is good that it exists, I think,
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to have something out there that you can buy.
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199 gets you an iOS device that is basically an iPhone,
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somewhere between an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 6.
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- I really, I really struggle
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to understand the placement of this device.
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And I know that like the idea is it's like,
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it's basically the lowest end
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to be able to play games on, right?
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That's effectively what it is.
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I think it is kind of like the cheapest way to play iPhone games, right?
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So you can buy them for kids and stuff.
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I think that's probably the prime market.
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Yeah, but my son has been using hand-me-down iPads of mine for a couple of years,
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and that's way better.
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But they are more expensive.
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Oh, I agree.
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But they're way better choices.
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So I think there's a lot of people that go that way, and I think it's a better way
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because my feeling about this is bigger screens are better for games.
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and every game device, every other handheld gaming device
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is bigger than an iPod touch,
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physically or in screen size.
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They're just like bigger devices.
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And I think that they work better for games.
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But I think it's the idea of there's no iOS devices
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in a family.
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Jimmy would like an iPhone.
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So you buy him an iPod touch for his birthday.
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You know, I think that's where this device sits.
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Because I genuinely cannot think of another place where it really, really makes sense.
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Because it's like, okay, it has a really large hard drive to replace the iPod Classic, but
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I just, I don't see it.
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I just, I really don't get it.
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It's a very, very peculiar device and I find it even stranger with some of the things they've
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given it and some of the things they haven't.
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No Apple Pay on this is weird to me, and I know it requires the addition of a Touch ID
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sensor, which I'm sure is an expensive part, but Apple Pay feels like such a core part
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of Apple now.
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It feels like such a big thing for their future.
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Having a device that is new, that could support it but doesn't, it seems like a very strange
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omission to me.
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- Yeah, I think it's about making it cheap.
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I think it's that simple.
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It's like they didn't want to put in the, you know,
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whatever it is, the secure enclave,
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that secure element thing, and not just,
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and we're not talking about Apple Pay even necessarily,
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because of connectivity issues,
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you need a device that's always on the internet
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to do Apple Pay as the, you know, near field stuff,
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but you can do the Apple Pay for online.
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- You don't need it.
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It doesn't need to be connected to the internet.
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- It does and does it.
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Well, it's NFC, it's not in the iPad either.
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So they've decided to say Apple Pay for online is fine.
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And for not is not.
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- Well, 'cause like, you know, it doesn't make sense
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to put an NFC chip in the iPad
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because you couldn't pay in a store with that thing.
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- You could theoretically with an iPod touch.
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I suppose that's true, but I think the point is
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they'd have to put in NFC hardware
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and they'd have to put in touch ID hardware.
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And the idea here is to create something that's cheap.
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- Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the reason.
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- It's definitely the reason is because the expense.
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- An unlocked iPhone 5S currently is like $500.
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And this is 199 to start.
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And I didn't actually look up the price, but it's a lot.
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The gap is huge and you can't just say, well, it's,
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you know, if you throw in $130 or whatever,
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that's the premium they charge when you take an iPad
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and make it a cellular device.
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I mean, they wouldn't ever do that here
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because at that point it is an iPhone basically
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that can't make calls, but who cares?
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So part of this is an artificial distinction
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to separate the iPhone from the iPod touch,
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but part of it is, you know,
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they are charging so much less for it.
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And that's partially because they're throwing
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lots of features out.
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And I think Apple Pay is an expensive feature.
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I mean, it requires some custom hardware,
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more than one piece of custom hardware to make it work.
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And I think, you know, Apple does not want this thing
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to be that close to an iPhone
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and doesn't want it to be that functional
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compared to an iPhone.
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That's just not what this thing is for.
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So I think that's, I do think,
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and I wrote about this at Six Colors,
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I do think, or well, no, I didn't.
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I wrote about this at Macworld.
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That's a site that I occasionally write for.
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You may have heard of it.
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I wonder if though this,
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if you can have a four inch iPhone five sized iPod touch
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with an AA processor in it,
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it makes me wonder if we will see a four inch iPhone
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this fall, which I've been talking about
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since the last iPhone release that I wasn't convinced
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that the iPhone 5S was the end of the line.
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And I'm still not.
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And this gives me a little more hope,
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the fact that Apple is still creating products
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with that screen size
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and these products have an A8 processor in them.
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It makes me think perhaps we will see an iPhone,
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I don't know what, 6C or something like that,
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that is essentially this or 5S something else, 5Q.
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I don't even know what it would be,
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but that it was the smaller phone size,
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but with an AA processor in it.
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And hopefully that one would have touch ID.
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Well, it would have touch ID.
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Hopefully it would also have Apple Pay at that point.
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And then you'd have three sizes of phones.
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Of course, the iPhone 6 would then rev
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to be even more awesome with like an A9.
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And it would be essentially a generation behind,
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but at least like the iPad mini,
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but at least it would exist.
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So I am gonna take that as a positive from this.
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Even if you're not super enthusiastic
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about the iPod touch, I feel like maybe it augurs for,
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you know, a new-ish phone in the old school iPhone 5 size,
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which some people would like, not you,
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'cause you like the gigantic phone,
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but some people I've heard, you know,
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would really love a more modern phone in that size.
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- I wanna talk about that very quickly.
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Sadio in the chat room has pointed out
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that the iPad Air 2 does have an NFC chip in it,
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but it's not used.
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All right, fair enough.
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I wonder if it must just kind of come connected with,
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but it's yeah, it's off.
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They don't want you tapping your iPad Air at the store.
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- 'Cause the idea being people have thought
00:38:23
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that potentially this is for merchant terminals.
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- Right, I've heard that speculation
00:38:27
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that at some point they might be able to turn that on
00:38:29
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and have some sort of, you know, use it as a,
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you know, use your Apple Pay phone to pay
00:38:36
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to an iPad Air 2 Apple Pay driven terminal
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and do it that way, but that's just a rumor.
00:38:45
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- Well, I feel like they're not gonna do that
00:38:47
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for as long as they have a good relationship with Square.
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- Well, unless Square's the first app that,
00:38:53
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unless Square gets access to the NFC before anything else,
00:38:57
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I mean, that could be part of this, right?
00:38:59
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- Square have built a Apple Pay Reader, right?
00:39:05
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which they put on stage at WWDC.
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So I feel like that that is a thing
00:39:10
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that they're clearly working with Apple on,
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and it's, you know, so maybe Apple have the chip in there
00:39:15
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just in case, but right now they're happy
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to work with partners on it.
00:39:20
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- Hey, who knows?
00:39:21
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Right, so let's talk about this small phone.
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- So what are you expecting here?
00:39:27
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Like the body of maybe the C, like the colors,
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and with all of the hardware of the six?
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- I don't, if I had to make a guess,
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if I'm, okay, we're in fantasy land now,
00:39:40
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'cause I have no little birdies telling me things,
00:39:42
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but if I'm in fantasy land, what I would say,
00:39:44
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my bet would be, most likely,
00:39:47
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would be something that looks more or less
00:39:49
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like the iPhone 5S,
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but has an A8 processor in it and does Apple Pay.
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That would basically be it, that it would be,
00:39:59
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it would look more or less like the 5S,
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that they wouldn't really change it to look,
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it's possible they would try to redesign it
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to make it look more like the six,
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but I think that they could also just save their time
00:40:10
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and fit it inside.
00:40:11
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Like this new iPod Touch is the exact same exterior
00:40:16
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as the old one.
00:40:18
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It's the dimensions are the same, the weight is the same.
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So they didn't bother redesigning the outside.
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They just redesigned the insides.
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So let's go with that.
00:40:28
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Let's say that's what they're gonna do.
00:40:29
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They're gonna take the 5S, which is, you know,
00:40:33
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it's a nice looking thing.
00:40:34
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They're selling that now.
00:40:35
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That's your $99 with contract phone.
00:40:39
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And they put an A8 and Apple Pay support in there.
00:40:45
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It's already got touch ID.
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Maybe they upgrade the cameras a little bit,
00:40:49
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but more to the level of last year's iPhones,
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not the forthcoming new iPhones.
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and keep it as the $99.
00:40:59
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And at that point, you've got an A9 iPhone 6 Plus for $299
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and as the starting price, an A9 iPhone 6S for $199.
00:41:10
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And then you've got this thing, iPhone 5Z, 5Q,
00:41:19
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or iPhone 6C or something for $999.
00:41:26
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And so it's a new product that's kind of an old product,
00:41:30
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but it also, it means that people who want
00:41:33
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the smaller phone can still get it.
00:41:35
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And just, you know, it's there.
00:41:38
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It's not gonna be as awesome as the bigger phones are,
00:41:41
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but it will stick around.
00:41:43
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And that gives Apple, that allows Apple to keep
00:41:45
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that lower priced phone in the line
00:41:49
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while having it support, like you were saying,
00:41:52
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having it support Apple Pay, for example,
00:41:55
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and kind of clear out some of the products that don't.
00:41:57
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- So in your imagination, in this Snell product lineup,
00:42:02
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there is no cheap phone with a big screen.
00:42:07
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- In my imagination, yeah.
00:42:10
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Yeah, that's it.
00:42:11
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The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus are,
00:42:14
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or their successors are 99 and 199,
00:42:18
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and they're gone, or while supplies last or something.
00:42:22
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Or maybe, you know, maybe they stick around,
00:42:24
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last year's models are also 99,
00:42:26
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you can get last year's model.
00:42:28
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But I think it would be one reasonable way to do it,
00:42:31
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would be to say, you know, we've got, you know,
00:42:34
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medium, large, and extra large, 99, you know,
00:42:38
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199 and 299, and then extra for more storage
00:42:43
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on top of the base, the 16 base.
00:42:45
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- So would there potentially be in this lineup then,
00:42:48
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we have the 5C, which will probably just still stick around
00:42:52
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as like the 99. As the free phone.
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Of the free. Probably.
00:42:55
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Yeah, they gotta have a free phone.
00:42:58
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So that probably, they're not gonna keep the 4 or 4S.
00:43:01
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That makes sense I think,
00:43:02
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is the phone that goes into that slot.
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Then they have a 5C+,
00:43:09
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which is the mythical Jason Snell phone.
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Yeah, it's the 5S with an A8.
00:43:16
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Yeah. And Apple Pay.
00:43:18
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And Apple Pay.
00:43:20
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and then they have the two larger phones in their revs,
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then their revs, like in their revisions basically.
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- Yeah, the 2015 versions.
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Yeah, that's what I would,
00:43:33
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in this scenario, that's what I would say.
00:43:35
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- Yeah, okay.
00:43:36
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- And that's, this feels like sort of the direction
00:43:39
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Apple's going with all its products,
00:43:40
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which is you've got like your flagships
00:43:44
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that you update every year,
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and then you've got these other ones
00:43:46
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that kind of trail a year behind,
00:43:48
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and then you've got some stuff that you keep around
00:43:49
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because you need something that's got higher margins
00:43:52
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that you can cut the price on for various reasons.
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Not saying they will do it that way,
00:43:57
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but that would be one way to do it.
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That would be, you know, instead of saying,
00:44:02
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we give you last year's iPhone 6 for cheap,
00:44:06
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we say, you know, we can give you this year's
00:44:09
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four inch phone for cheap,
00:44:11
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which I think is a better proposition
00:44:15
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to say this is the new four inch iPhone,
00:44:18
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even if yeah, it's using last year's technology,
00:44:20
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but it's the new four inch iPhone,
00:44:22
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instead of saying this is last year's six,
00:44:27
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which it could do,
00:44:28
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but I feel like there's a market for the smaller phone.
00:44:32
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And so why not just, it's not enough of a priority.
00:44:36
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Like last year was the first time Apple did two different,
00:44:39
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like two different entirely new iPhones
00:44:41
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with the six and the six plus.
00:44:43
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So of course they weren't gonna also update
00:44:45
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the five at that point,
00:44:47
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It was too much, too much.
00:44:48
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But this year, this year, would they push an update?
00:44:52
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Just like the iPad mini 3 will probably go to iPad mini 4
00:44:57
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and get last year's iPad Air 2 specs, right?
00:44:59
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And just stay a year behind.
00:45:01
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And this would be the equivalent of that.
00:45:03
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- Okay, what about the way it looks, this device?
00:45:10
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- Oh, my mythical imaginary?
00:45:14
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- It's too bad that 5S has taken
00:45:15
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or the S could stand for Snell.
00:45:17
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But it's already called it the 5S.
00:45:21
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Like I said, I think looking at the iPod touch
00:45:26
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and knowing like,
00:45:28
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how much work do you wanna put into this thing?
00:45:29
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Look, we wanna have it out there
00:45:30
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and we wanna have it be cheap,
00:45:32
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but we want more recent technology into it.
00:45:34
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Do you really restyle it?
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You could, but do you?
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Or do you just say, look, the 5 looks great.
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Let's just keep the 5 look around.
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it won't look like the 6 and 6 Plus if they do that.
00:45:46
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So they could totally, you know, they could restyle it
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to have the kind of curvy edges and stuff
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and call it a 6 something.
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Or they could leave it blocky, but have it be modern,
00:45:59
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and even call it a 5 something.
00:46:01
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- I think one of the key problems that Apple
00:46:05
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definitely looked to solve with the introduction of the 5C
00:46:09
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is how do you take an old device and make it look new
00:46:12
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So it looks like you have a new phone when you buy it
00:46:15
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and not an old phone.
00:46:17
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- And I think if they kept it just in like 5S,
00:46:19
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same body, silver, black, gold,
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I think that they would struggle to sell it.
00:46:26
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I wouldn't be surprised to see iPod touch metallic colors.
00:46:31
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- That could be, that could be.
00:46:33
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With so many of these products,
00:46:36
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it really is just like how much do they wanna prioritize it?
00:46:40
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'Cause I don't think this is,
00:46:41
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when I'm describing this product,
00:46:42
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this isn't their high priority product, right?
00:46:44
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The next six plus and six are their high priority products.
00:46:47
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This is a, yes, we also rev that too.
00:46:49
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So that's the question is, do they have enough,
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do they want it to look like the other phones
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or do they want it to not look like the other phones?
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'Cause what they really wanna sell are the big phones.
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I don't know. - Yeah.
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- It would be more consistent
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to have it look like the six family.
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- You say that about selling the big phones.
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When they introduced,
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What was the C introduced alongside?
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What phone was it that they introduced the C alongside?
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- Right, because in the UK and in other places,
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all of the marketing, like the billboard marketing,
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was for the C range, all of it.
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- Huh, yeah, and--
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- It was very interesting that they did that,
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but that was the choice that they decided to go down.
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- So I wouldn't be surprised to see that again
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if they went down that route.
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- It's possible.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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We could theorize about it all day
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and somebody at Apple may be listening to this
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and just laughing and laughing.
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But yeah, I think this is, we've talked about this before.
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This is one of those things that is fascinating
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about talking about what Apple strategy is,
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is there's so many different paths that could go down.
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And they have, inside Apple, they have more statistics.
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Nobody knows more about who's buying phones
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and how many they're buying
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and in what configurations where,
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let alone market research than people inside Apple.
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So they know way more than we do about who,
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you know, what the markets are.
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And they may have looked at the data and said,
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"You know what, I know people are,
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there are noisy people out there who say I wanna,
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I'm not gonna upgrade from the 5S
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because I don't want the big phone,
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but when we do all of our looks at sales and research,
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those people are a fraction of the market
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and we are just not gonna bother."
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That may be the case.
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I would like to believe that it's not the case,
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but it's possible because they know more than we do
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because they see their internal sales data.
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But even with that, they have so many different choices.
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There's so many different ways
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they could go with their product line.
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So it's kind of fascinating to break it down in that way.
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Do you spend the time to make a four inch phone
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that looks kind of like the iPhone six line
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and do it that way?
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Do you leave it in the old shape of the five S?
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Do you use it as the shiny colors thing,
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like six shiny colors, like the iPod touch?
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I, lots of choices, lots of choices.
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My gut feeling is since the 5S is still in the product line,
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that it would be more a space gray, silver, gold thing,
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and you know, maybe looks like the 6,
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maybe looks like the 5,
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and that they'll keep that C model
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as their colorful low-end model, but who knows?
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- If I'm gonna take a bet on this, provided it exists,
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and I'm still not convinced that they'll make this,
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personally. I don't know what I think about that. I would put a bet on it looking like
00:49:45
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the 5 but having metallic colors. That would be my bet. But I'm still not even convinced
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it'll exist.
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I don't, I mean my confidence in this product exists is greater because the iPod Touch is
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out there, but it's not like, it's not a 90% or anything. It's, I think it's maybe better
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than a coin flip. I think it's more likely than not because I think they need to do something
00:50:09
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other than just clear the five down to the free phone and say forget it, you can't buy,
00:50:14
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you know, we've abandoned that size. They've never said they've abandoned that size and
00:50:19
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in fact they still sell phones in that size. I would, like I said, I would like to believe
00:50:24
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that they are not going to abandon that size and that we'll see something a year behind.
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But I don't think it's a sure thing because like I said there could be market research
00:50:33
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that makes it clear that inside Apple there is no point in doing that phone.
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Yeah, because it basically could be, yeah I'm sure there are quite a lot of people
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that would love a phone this size, but are there enough to continue making it?
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That's the thing, right? It's like yeah there probably will be a lot of people
00:50:48
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but it costs a lot of money to make something like this, is the cost gonna
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outweigh the amount of people that will buy it? I mean that's a question about
00:50:56
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the Apple Touch but they've clearly made that decision there but they might not
00:50:59
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want to make that decision for the phone because the phones are probably more
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expensive to make. And what are the margins on that phone versus last year's
00:51:07
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iPhone 6 at 16, you know, gigabytes? What are the margin differences there?
00:51:12
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Would you be better off just marketing a $99 iPhone 6 along with the new, you know,
00:51:16
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iPhone 6s? Or would you like to differentiate so that the $99 phone
00:51:24
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isn't the bigger screen and that get people to feel like they're choosing
00:51:29
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their phone size when they're choosing their price.
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And there are probably, you could have a whole day
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of arguments with people at Apple
00:51:39
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about what the right thing to do is there
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with lots of different data from the channel.
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And we don't have access to a lot of that.
00:51:46
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So we have to sort of speculate about it.
00:51:47
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But those are the kinds of decisions that go into it.
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Is there an audience here?
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What does it do to our other products?
00:51:53
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Does it take, if our margins are less on this
00:51:56
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on the new 6S, are we gonna have a certain percentage of those people who are just gonna
00:52:02
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opt for the cheaper phone? That hurts us. If Apple believes that they're gonna lose
00:52:10
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a certain number of people who aren't gonna buy a 6-sized phone regardless, but then there's
00:52:14
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a whole chunk who would buy a smaller phone if it's there, but otherwise will just buy
00:52:17
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the bigger phone, and the bigger phone has the bigger margins and they do the math, they
00:52:21
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say, "Look, we're killing ourselves if we offer a smaller model that has those margins."
00:52:30
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So it's super complicated, and that's why my confidence that they'll do it is more like,
00:52:36
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you know, 55%, which is up from before last week. But the fact that there is now an iPod
00:52:44
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Touch in that size with last year's processor gives me some hope that they are... I mean,
00:52:50
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they've built that product now, right? They've built a 4-inch device, iOS device,
00:52:55
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with an A8 processor. And I would guess that those probably could be
00:53:02
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work saved by designing them both together. Like, let's bring the
00:53:07
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A8s to these two 4-inch models, but they'll hold off on the iPhone until the
00:53:12
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iPhones come out. But I don't know enough about that. It may just be that
00:53:16
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those are two separate projects and there's nothing to be gained. But, you
00:53:19
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You know, the fact is that device exists,
00:53:21
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it's got an AA processor in it.
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It's very close to being this iPhone that I've described.
00:53:27
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And the question is, you know,
00:53:29
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do they want it to be that too or do they not?
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I don't know.
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big news, iPod Nano, iPod Shuffle releases, they do still exist and they got updated.
00:56:49
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The iPod Nano still looks like iOS 6. John Gruber said that his birdies tell him that
00:56:54
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there's just nobody left to do anything with that software to update it. And the iPod Shuffle
00:57:00
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still exists, and I've heard from some people who still use them. Even when I run, I run
00:57:05
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with my phone, and if I didn't run with my phone, I've got an Apple Watch, so I would
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use that as my iPod shuffle. But I understand that this is all about, there's still a market
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for it, and the margins on those are great, and so why not keep selling them? The one
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thing that baffles me, though, about it is, and this goes back to, we're willing to keep
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selling this product but we're not willing to do anything to make it that
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much better like we'll just change the anodized colors but we're not gonna do
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any software work for it because it's it's a it's not important enough it's
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too important to kill not important enough to improve and the example I want
00:57:42
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to give here is as far as we can tell the iPod nano and the iPod shuffle that
00:57:47
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were just released don't support Apple music so if you add a song to your
00:57:52
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library and you want to put it on the shuffle, you can't, because it's a DRM'd
00:57:56
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Apple Music file, and they didn't update the software on the iPod shuffle or
00:58:02
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Nano to play that stuff, apparently. I haven't tested this, I don't have these
00:58:06
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these products. Now on one level I understand it because they seem to have
00:58:10
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nobody home developing those products anymore, really, and it probably would
00:58:14
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require some, you know, maybe serious software changes to support that
00:58:19
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kind of DRM stuff, or changes in iTunes that when it's copying to those devices, it does
00:58:26
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something that makes them playable, wraps them in a different kind of DRM that they
00:58:29
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understand or takes the DRM off, which maybe they can't do because of the licensing agreements
00:58:34
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for Apple Music. Okay, I get that. However, on the other hand, it does seem bizarre to
00:58:40
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me because these are products made by a company that has a music service that their music
00:58:46
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products don't support. And, you know, so I understand the technical reasons why, but
00:58:50
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at the same time part of me says, "Why do these products exist if you're not going to
00:58:54
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support them for something like your brand new music service?" Because I was thinking
00:58:59
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it would actually be kind of great if you were an iPod shuffle kind of person to take
00:59:03
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an Apple Music playlist and sync it to your iPod shuffle and go for a run. I think that
00:59:08
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would be a lot of fun, but you can't do it.
00:59:12
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if like, I mean it's possible to do right in theory in the idea that I imagine
00:59:20
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that if I left my iPhone in airplane mode for a period of time at some point
00:59:26
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it's going to say to me you need to connect this device to the internet to
00:59:30
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continue listening to your music. Yeah to the Apple music tracks. I would imagine
00:59:35
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it's gonna say that. We haven't tested that but I would imagine after a month
00:59:38
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or a couple of months, that there's probably some leeway there because sometimes you're
00:59:43
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just not on the internet, you're traveling internationally or something like that. You
00:59:46
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wouldn't want to lose your music, but at some point it's going to say, "Look, you need to
00:59:49
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phone home. I need to know that this isn't, you know, that you didn't cancel. Download
00:59:53
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the every music piece of music ever and then cancel while this was in airplane mode. We
00:59:58
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need to see, you know, we need to verify your subscription." I get that, but there's got
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to be a period of time, right? And, you know, for something like an iPod shuffle, is there
01:00:08
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gonna be a great heist of Apple Music by pre-loading an iPod Shuffle and then never ever connecting
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it to a computer ever again. I guess it's theoretically possible but it seems sort of
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silly. And even there, they would have to update the software but to say in order to
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listen to Apple Music you need to plug your iPod Shuffle into your Mac every...
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- Just after like 30 days it says if you want to continue listening to this you need to
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authenticate me. Like it just gives you that audio message. They could do this but it's
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clear that there is nobody working on this because like this product image on
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apple.com/iPod at the Nano is embarrassing because they have five of
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them four of them are facing you from the backs you see it as the colors but
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then the other one has a current album Tame Impala's new album and it's the UI
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is like shiny right it looks bad it's the iOS 6 UI because and it's not running
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iOS 6. This is not an iOS device. It's running something that has been made to look like
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iOS and whoever skinned it is working on more important products now. So my thinking is
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to keep the iPod Touch margin low, they have to update the anodization
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like method for all three of these products and it spreads the cost because
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if you wanted to update the colors of this device you would also you can't
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separate it from the nano and the shuffle because they have their own
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colors you have to update all of the colors at once because it spreads the
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cost amongst the three items for like the anodization pit like and the
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materials that they use for it so they had to do this to keep the margins
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making sense. So they have to update the Nano and the Shuffle even though Apple
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doesn't care about them like in that way like they don't care about them in the
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same way they care about the touch because the touch got new features and
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you can put Apple music on it and stuff like that right it got stuff and it
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continues to get iOS updates but the Nano and the Shuffle don't run iOS
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there's nobody working on those teams it seems like but they had to update the
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colors so if you're gonna update the colors you gotta make new marketing
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materials out of it so they just did that and they're trying their best to
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hide it. That's my opinion on this. Good conspiracy theory, I like it. I don't know if it has
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any basis in reality but it's a good one. Good job. Because I feel like you have to,
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you know, they can't keep the old anodization stuff. It doesn't make sense to just do them
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for those two devices which if you imagine the Apple Touch isn't selling a lot, no way
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are the Nano and the Shuffle selling a lot. Yeah, yeah, I mean, they did, I think it's
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this is these products are in the minimal the minimum minimum required to
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keep it alive category right now I wonder if it's like I wonder why I wonder
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if it's just like a pride thing they want the iPod to live on I think that
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they look at the sales and figure that it's you know given the margins on the
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products and given the sales you might as well keep selling them like they're
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They're in the iPod classic phase now,
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where they're just gonna fade away.
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But there's still a business there.
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Because I mean, at some point, really, if you're Apple,
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you're gonna say, look, you've got an iPhone,
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and you've got, like who is using the Nano and the Shuffle?
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And I know that there are probably like kids,
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and there are certain kinds of scenarios
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where you would wanna use a Nano or a Shuffle,
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and the prices are good, but at some point,
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it's still not a good enough business for Apple to be in.
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to keep them alive, but to do as little effort,
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make as little effort as possible.
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- Yeah, it's like we're just gonna keep this
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until the point where we can get rid of it,
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which is exactly what they did with the iPod Classic.
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So maybe we're a year or two away,
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maybe a little bit longer before the Nano.
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I think the Nano would go first, in my opinion,
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and the Shuffle would stick around,
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it's probably easier to continue just keeping the shuffle around because it
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doesn't look weird right the nano looks weird now but the shuffle is kind of
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just like this little thing that you just put music on like it doesn't it
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doesn't I can't imagine it requires a lot of development to keep alive yeah
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and then it's like you need something to when you're at the gym well the shuffle
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is perfect for you sure unless you have an Apple watch let's you have an Apple
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See that's the other thing right when you move further down the line.
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So we'll just get an "I know the prices aren't the same" but that's what the Apple Watch
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It's exactly for this.
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We created a whole version to be made when you work out.
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That's the product you want madam.
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Like you know that's just a way that I can imagine them going in the future.
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Should we do some Ask Upgrade wrap up?
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I think that's a good idea.
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So, John asked, "What is the average time you spend producing and editing a podcast,
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cutting out the ums and the ahs, splicing in secret messages, and so on?"
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Well, secret messages take a lot of time.
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Well, for me, it varies.
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I do a weekly TV podcast with Tim Goodman, who's the chief critic at The Hollywood Reporter,
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and we talk for about an hour, and it takes me maybe five minutes,
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because all I really do is cut the beginning and end of the conversation
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and get it. And like last week his son
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had to leave in the middle of it so he had to like go downstairs and unlock the
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door and say goodbye and give him his stuff and
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whatever there was like a little bit in the middle where I had to trim that
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part out and that was it. That was all I that was
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all I did. It was a two-person conversation. I can write down like this
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one. I can write down when when there are
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issues and we can trim those out and it's super fast.
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I don't edit the ums and the ahs out because I think that's how people talk,
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unless there's a very long delay somewhere. I just don't think it's worth
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it to do. I think you could edit forever and I
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don't think you would be appreciably improving the,
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see I ummed right there, the product by doing that.
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I will say that for something like the incomparable I would spend more like
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three or four hours on it. Something like Total Party Kill,
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which runs about an hour, I probably spend an hour and a half or two hours
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And that's because those are podcasts with lots of people,
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and often there are some sound issues,
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and I need to play through the entire episode
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and make some changes as I run
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based on noises that people are making
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or things I need to cut out with incomparable.
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I do a lot more kind of editorial influence
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in terms of saying this is a digression,
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I'm gonna take this out.
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And so that one is a much more intense podcast.
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But even there, I'm not cutting out Umz and Ahz
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more than like a long pause, I won't do it.
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And occasionally, yes, splicing in a secret message.
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So my answer is it really varies depending on
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what the show is and what the content is
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and what I'm trying to do with it.
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And if it's got a lot of people and it's very complicated,
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it takes longer.
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And shorter ones, if I just recorded it,
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I know everything that's in it, I know it sounds fine,
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and I know there's one thing I need to clip out,
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it's a five or 10 minute process.
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What about you?
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Is it, I imagine most of the shows you do
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are more like that category, the quick edit category.
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- Not really anymore.
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- No, 'cause you're editing the panel shows now, aren't you?
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So how long does this show take to edit?
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- This show probably takes about 20 minutes now.
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- Because what I do is, right next to me I have a notepad
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and I write down some of the collisions that we have,
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so I try and take some of those out
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when we talk over each other and stuff like that.
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And I pull some of those out
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and I do that for all the shows now.
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So that has increased my edit time over what it used to be,
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which was just cutting the end, cutting the start,
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putting it out there and letting it go.
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So that is one thing.
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I think analog is, we do a heavier edit on that.
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So like we cut some stuff to make the show a bit tighter.
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- That's the Casey Liz edit.
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- Yeah, but the thing is about that is it takes me again
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about 20 minutes because Casey does the listen through
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and he makes notes for me.
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The show that takes me the longest to edit
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is Cortex right now.
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because we do a full listen through.
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I do cut out things like ums and ahs in there
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to polish it up and we cut out things that are digression.
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It's pretty similar to you with the incomparable actually.
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So with me and Gray we do that and we actually both edit.
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So I do the first edit, I give it to Gray
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and he does a second pass through.
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So that's how that show is edited.
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So it's a much longer process.
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And in those cases what I have found
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is a good rule of thumb.
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If you're doing a full listen through,
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you're cutting the stuff that is irrelevant,
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you're cutting the ums and the ahs and things like that,
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I find it takes about twice as long as the show is to do.
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- Yeah. - I've found.
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Because you're going back and you're cutting something,
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going back and listening. - That's about it.
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I'd say that for incomparable too.
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Anything where you've got a big panel like that,
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'cause you're really, it's a two to one ratio,
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you're listening through it and then there's stuff
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that you have to go back and change
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and that all kind of adds up to about,
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yeah, 'cause your average,
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I always tell people it's about three hours
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to do the incomparable and you know,
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the shows are all about 90 minutes ish.
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Sometimes they're not,
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but they're in that ballpark usually.
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And so the three, three and a half hours
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is not unreasonable for that.
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I think that's right.
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Panel shows are harder because you do have
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much more over talking.
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Like you and I over talk a little bit
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'cause we've got some latency here on this show,
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but it's still just two voices.
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Even if you kept that in, it would be understandable
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'cause there are really only two people it could be.
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But when you've got five people, seven people,
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you have to take out the interruptions.
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There are more interruptions and you have to take them out
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or you'd never understand half of what was being said.
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- So James asked,
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Jason, I'm gonna leave this one for you, I think.
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James wants to buy a new MacBook Pro.
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Should he wait until USB-C comes to the Pro before buying?
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- This is the classic,
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when should I buy question with Apple stuff.
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And what I would say is,
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you say you want to buy a new MacBook Pro,
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do you need to buy a new MacBook Pro?
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Because that's, the longer you can wait,
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the more new stuff there will be.
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That's the bottom line.
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It's always been that way, it will always be that way.
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So hold out until you need to buy one,
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but if you need to buy one, you should go ahead and buy one
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because you need it, and so it's time.
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There will probably be USB-C in the Pro,
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but that probably won't be until the next revision
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of the Pro line, which probably won't be for another year.
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So are you gonna wait until next spring, maybe,
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to get a new MacBook Pro with USB-C?
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If you can, then you will get that.
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Of course, if you buy next year's,
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you'll be missing some feature
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that's in the year after that,
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and that will go on forever.
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So at some point you just gotta say,
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"All right, I want this one.
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"I don't have USB-C on my Retina iMac.
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"I'm okay with it because I needed a Retina iMac.
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"I needed a new computer and I got it, and it's great."
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So in the end, it's a personal decision.
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I think your MacBook Pro, you know,
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maybe with, well, let's see, I don't know.
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I mean, Thunderbolt, the new Thunderbolt
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and the new USB are gonna be big changes.
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And if you can wait, I would wait
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because we are going through a port transition here.
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And if you can afford to wait a year,
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I think that's probably good.
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But again, if you need it, you need it.
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But I would wait if you could.
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But I would always say that.
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And say like, when you start getting that itch
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to buy a new computer, don't just buy a new computer.
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Try to go as far as you can before you just can't stand it
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anymore and you have to do it and then buy it.
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I think that's what I try to do.
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- This is a completely off topic thing,
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but something that I meant to mention earlier in the show
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about Apple Music.
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This week, Dr. Dre's The Pharmacy Show
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has been put in its entirety on Dre's Connect page.
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- Oh, see, that's cool, that's cool.
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That's an interesting test of listen again mode
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instead of just a playlist.
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I would love that because I miss some of these shows
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and I hear about them later and I can't listen to them.
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I can only see the tracks
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and listen to the tracks that were played.
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And as we've said before,
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That's kinda not the point of most of these shows.
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The point is to hear the person who's built this hour
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or two of entertainment for you,
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and not having access to that seems kinda crazy.
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- 'Cause I missed Elton John's Rocket Hour
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and I'd like to hear it,
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but now all I can do is see the playlist.
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- There you go.
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- So we have more questions.
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This comes from Olivier.
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Olivier is looking for a checklist app
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where they can reuse the same list template
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over and over again.
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Any suggestion?
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- I was gonna say, let's talk to CGP Grey about this,
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but you talk to him regularly, so.
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So I know from talking to Grey,
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that it is possible to have project templates in OmniFocus.
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So you can then invoke a template when you need it,
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and it will just throw up the project
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and all of the associated items with that project.
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However, if you need something just more simple,
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what I use for this is Clear.
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because with Clear I create a list
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and I put all the things that I need in that list.
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And then when I come to check them off, I check them off,
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but I don't delete the tasks.
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Once you check all the tasks off in Clear and within a list,
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you can pull up to just clear that list, but don't do that.
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And then the next time that I need it,
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I just swipe all of the tasks again to reactivate them
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and it's there ready to go.
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I do this for packing, stuff like that.
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- So there you go.
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And then Will, Will is very angry at us.
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about our El Capitan installs.
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This is probably more me than you.
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- He has three exclamation points in his comment.
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- After saying, "Have you never heard of partitions?"
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- Yes, Will, I have heard of partitions.
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I have an SSD in my MacBook Pro,
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so I don't have a ton of space on it.
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So I don't wanna put aside a really big portion
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of my MacBook Pro.
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But also, I want to live with it and use it every day.
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And you only live once, so.
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- Yeah, I'm with you there.
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I have, you know, my iMac has an SSD.
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I do think to really use and talk about and write about
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an OS 10 version, you gotta live with it.
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So you have to live with it.
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And I don't have the space on my SSD to partition.
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Plus at this point, I would have to like wipe everything
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and then repartition.
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And I don't wanna do that.
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So-- - Oh yeah.
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- So-- - Well that's even worse.
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- Yeah, I just, I don't wanna do that.
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So I have El Capitan on the external drive
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and what I'm going to do is,
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at some point here, I'm just going to install it.
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And the question is just, do I install it on the iMac
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or do I install it on my MacBook Air?
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And one of them will become El Capitan,
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but really it should be the iMac.
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I mentioned this last week with the MacBook Air
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as my emergency fallback machine
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for things that don't work in El Capitan,
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because I need to use it every day
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in order to write about it.
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And the only way, booting,
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'cause that's the other thing about partitions,
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is booting into another partition to use the new OS,
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I never stay there for very long,
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'cause then I gotta go back and get work done.
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And so I'm not really using the new OS at that point, am I?
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I'm just kind of poking around in it
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and then I go back to using the computer
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and I'm using the old operating system then.
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So yes, if you wanna be safe, you can have two partitions
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if you wanna set that up.
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We have heard of them
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and neither of us is really interested in
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or willing to do it
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or thinks that it would be enough of a benefit.
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So, and to further Mr. Hurley's point, YOLO.
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And then finally, upgrading Steve has written in.
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Steve is an aspiring writer,
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he's starting to write some stuff online
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and he wants to try and learn Markdown.
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But his son was suggesting to Steve
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that he is wasting his time.
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His son just said, "Why don't you just write it in Word
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"and just paste it into WordPress and call it good."
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So Steve wants to know, do we use Markdown?
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Do we think it's a good skill to have?
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And what do you use to try and learn it?
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- That's a good question.
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Do you use Markdown?
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you don't write a whole lot of things.
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- No, but I do write in Markdown.
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Whenever I write a blog post, so for example,
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I write stuff for the Relay blog here and there
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when we have new shows or announcements to make.
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I write those in Markdown and I write,
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we have a new sponsor system that we're working on
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and all of the scripts there are written in Markdown,
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so I write those in Markdown.
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And also our CMS takes Markdown,
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So I write the show notes and stuff in some instances
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in Markdown as well.
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So I'm very used to it.
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And also when I'm making notes for myself,
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I write Markdown.
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Some of my show notes stuff I wrote.
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So yes, I do.
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Even though I am not a writer or a blogger
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or anything like that,
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I still use Markdown when I write things down.
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- And I write in Markdown.
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What I would say is it depends on what you're writing
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and why you're writing it.
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You don't need to...
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I use Markdown because I like that I can use it
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in any text editor and I've internalized the rules,
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but, and I've talked to,
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I have colleagues who wanna write in Microsoft Word.
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I have colleagues who want to write in HTML.
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They just do the HTML code.
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My feeling is I don't really like reading HTML.
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It's not that I can't do it.
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It's just that I don't really like reading it
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and Markdown is a little less obtrusive to the eye
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than HTML code is.
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And also I would always make typos in my HTML code.
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I'd forget to close a tag.
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I'd forget to have a quote mark at the end of the href
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in the hyperlink, things like that.
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And the way I view Markdown is,
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it is easier for me to do it right,
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less likely than I'm gonna make a mistake.
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And then I generate using the Markdown script,
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it generates HTML and that HTML is valid.
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It's already, you know, there are no typos in the code
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because the Markdown script did it based on my thing.
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And I use BBEdit for most of what I write.
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I've got a preview window that is a Markdown preview window
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with my site template in it.
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And so that's great too.
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But you know, it doesn't need to be for everyone.
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I use it because of the reasons I've said,
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because it seems easy to use, it stays readable,
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and then it generates HTML easily
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in lots of different places.
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There are plenty of other ways to write,
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depending on what you're writing
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and where you're writing them and why you're writing them.
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So it may or may not, for Steve,
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it may or may not be for him.
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If you do wanna learn it,
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there are, you know, you should go to the Daring Fireball
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and look at the spec document that Gruber has.
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If you really want to immerse yourself in Markdown,
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I would recommend David Sparks's Markdown book.
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It's a book, right?
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- It's an iBook, yeah.
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- Yeah, that he-- - So it's screencasts
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and a book as well.
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- Yeah, and he has a co-author,
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Eddie Smith co-wrote that with him,
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but it's an iBook book that you can get it,
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you can see about it at maxsparky.com/markdown.
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- And it's in our show notes.
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- And it is in our show notes,
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which you can find at relay.fm/upgrades/46,
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or in your podcast app of choice.
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So I'd check that out
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If you really wanna dive in and learn it,
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David Sparks's stuff is great and that's a good book.
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But it's not for everybody and it doesn't have to be.
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And your son may be wrong or your son may be right
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based on what he knows about what you need to do.
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And I think that's the difference.
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I think your son probably would tell you
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that it was dumb regardless, but it may be worth learning
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if you're writing a lot on the web
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and you don't like messing around with HTML
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or messing around with style tools.
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I never liked typing, you know, little, you know,
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working style text and stuff.
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I'd rather not do that either.
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I'd rather work in plain text.
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- You mentioned BBEdit.
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I also use Byword on the Mac.
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- Right, which is what Steve is using.
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- Yep, and I also use Draughts.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, those are great.
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There are a bunch of great Markdown editors
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on iOS, especially.
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So I use them both.
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Right, so that's it for this week.
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I want to thank again our sponsors for helping us out today.
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Learn.com, Fracture and Smile with TextExpander.
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If you want to find our show notes, Jason mentioned those a moment ago, they're at relay.fm/upgrades/46.
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If you want to find us online, Jason writes his fantastic stuff over at sixcolors.com
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and he's @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L on Twitter.
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And I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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Thank you so much for listening, and we'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
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- Goodbye, Myke Hurley.
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