The Incomparable

331: I Refuse To Call It a Prequel

 

  the uncomfortable number 231 December [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable it is time for us to [TS]

  discuss road one a Star Wars spin-off [TS]

  type story that was released December 16 [TS]

  which is when we're recording this well [TS]

  at least I mean except now you can see [TS]

  it like in the late afternoon the day [TS]

  before but anyway we have seen it and [TS]

  we're going to talk about it so I'm [TS]

  joined by fine panel who is going to [TS]

  help me with our quick reactions to a [TS]

  movie we've i think probably only seen [TS]

  once [TS]

  well let me know if you see more than [TS]

  once and just yesterday so you know [TS]

  definitely first impressions here i am [TS]

  joined by the following fine people as [TS]

  with almost every star wars conversation [TS]

  i have i'm joined by serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hello hello I'm glad to be here and a [TS]

  little emotionally unstable after [TS]

  watching the movie [TS]

  sometimes i just have random [TS]

  conversations with people about star [TS]

  wars have to call you to get you [TS]

  involved in it because i don't have [TS]

  conversations about star without you or [TS]

  without John siracusa hello [TS]

  you know I've analyzed this podcast [TS]

  Jason and there is a danger should have [TS]

  your ship standing by [TS]

  i'm also joined not by the another [TS]

  person I would usually have here is Dan [TS]

  morning but he's traveling and so it's [TS]

  taken two men to replace him [TS]

  Monty ashley is here hello sorry I'm not [TS]

  dead boring and Tony sindelar Allison [TS]

  that i will be replaced with dan Warren [TS]

  vset I had that kind of ghostly horrible [TS]

  way that's just a random besides that's [TS]

  just straight yes it seems a little bit [TS]

  strange [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  before we dive into the details of this [TS]

  I i thought i would see about getting a [TS]

  little bit of an overview an opening [TS]

  statement if you will but I an overview [TS]

  about about your general impressions of [TS]

  the movie when you walked out of the out [TS]

  of the theater i'm kind of curious [TS]

  I'll go first with mine which is to say [TS]

  that I enjoyed it a lot i found that [TS]

  there are a bunch of things in it worth [TS]

  criticizing because i don't think it was [TS]

  a perfect movie by a long shot i would [TS]

  say that it was a solid movie with some [TS]

  things that I have issues about but one [TS]

  of the things that I thought as I was [TS]

  walking out of the theater was it's [TS]

  really nice to be at the point where my [TS]

  expectations for Star Wars movies are so [TS]

  high and that I feel that the franchise [TS]

  is on such sort of legitimate creative [TS]

  ground that it is worthy of criticism [TS]

  that is not just kind of moaning and [TS]

  projectile vomiting so you know it's [TS]

  it's that I mean really like I i think [TS]

  this is this is a substantial and [TS]

  interesting and ambitious movie and [TS]

  while I have some problems with it it's [TS]

  like you know it's not like a like I you [TS]

  can say i have problems with the [TS]

  prequels but boy if that is a real [TS]

  understatement anyway that's that sort [TS]

  of my feeling about this is that i liked [TS]

  it but I do have some issues that i [TS]

  would like to get into about it too [TS]

  because I i don't i don't have the I [TS]

  don't think of it as highly as I i [TS]

  thought the force awakens when I walked [TS]

  out of that for the first time I put it [TS]

  that way [TS]

  other thoughts ran what was your what [TS]

  was your take walking out of here [TS]

  yeah I feel very similarly this is a [TS]

  Star Wars movie and it is or rather it's [TS]

  a movie in the store wars canon but it [TS]

  is not a star wars movie the way that [TS]

  force awakens was or the original [TS]

  trilogy wear it in some ways doesn't [TS]

  have the same i didn't have the same [TS]

  kind of like oh my god it has to be on [TS]

  this level and instantly iconic or it [TS]

  will be forever tarnished in the gates [TS]

  of Hell or something [TS]

  I'm no I walked out of that really a [TS]

  little bit emotionally or rot in and [TS]

  hurting but also appreciative of what [TS]

  the filmmakers were trying to do and I [TS]

  and like you said I i don't think that [TS]

  everything in there [TS]

  was a grand slammer a success but i [TS]

  think it was a solid movie it's a much [TS]

  it reminded me a lot of trying to put a [TS]

  I star or like the first the first [TS]

  successful star wars movie to put a star [TS]

  wars book on screen it felt it felt very [TS]

  much like the realization of what we all [TS]

  kind of imagined that the star wars [TS]

  sequels would be once upon a time like [TS]

  the oh they're just gonna film the EU [TS]

  and things go from there [TS]

  I but I I'm really happy with with the [TS]

  product that they ended up putting [TS]

  together [TS]

  Monty what are your what you know what [TS]

  were your first thoughts about this film [TS]

  when you're walking out of the theater I [TS]

  cared more about what was going to [TS]

  happen to the characters in this movie [TS]

  then I have for a long time in Star Wars [TS]

  movies or media and I think that's [TS]

  because I literally didn't know what was [TS]

  going to happen to them in the prequels [TS]

  I going in with a pretty good idea where [TS]

  obi-wan and Anakin are going to end up [TS]

  in the force awakens there was a big [TS]

  twist towards the end that came as a [TS]

  surprise but not that big a surprise and [TS]

  even then it just happened here there [TS]

  was way more for me anyway [TS]

  suspense and tension and worry about you [TS]

  know is she going to be okay what's [TS]

  going to happen and I found that really [TS]

  refreshing because we're not part as Ron [TS]

  said we're not part of the big saga were [TS]

  off in a corner were it's a different [TS]

  genre of movie and that means the old [TS]

  rules don't apply right [TS]

  we almost got through a movie with no [TS]

  one having a bad feeling about anything [TS]

  he was cut off right [TS]

  yeah don't shut up Tony what about you I [TS]

  think I came out of it feeling really [TS]

  good about it I am uh honored and a [TS]

  horrible person so I think the first [TS]

  thing I did was like here's the list of [TS]

  the think six things I don't like about [TS]

  this movie sure which is you know maybe [TS]

  not the opposite of a positive way to [TS]

  approach it but I guess it's like these [TS]

  are the six things i do not like because [TS]

  the rest of it I did [TS]

  really like and that was really great [TS]

  and fun and exciting and you know this [TS]

  is not a short movie but I was never [TS]

  bored during it [TS]

  I was and I was also i was sitting in [TS]

  the second row love the movie theater [TS]

  which almost never do and I was like [TS]

  this may be unpleasant and maybe I'm [TS]

  gonna want to see this again right away [TS]

  because this experience sitting in the [TS]

  second row will be so awful but it was [TS]

  great and I had a lot of fun and I [TS]

  enjoyed it and yes hours [TS]

  Star Wars John what about you what were [TS]

  your thoughts coming out of the theater [TS]

  I i avoid spoilers pretty well i watch [TS]

  the teaser and we will talk more about [TS]

  that later probably but out but what it [TS]

  means is that i didn't know the story to [TS]

  this movie other than you know how [TS]

  they're gonna go to desktop plans and [TS]

  they're going to get them because you [TS]

  know we saw that and and stars if I see [TS]

  the outline of this movie like okay [TS]

  we're thinking in this movie it's gonna [TS]

  be the movie where they get the desktop [TS]

  plans [TS]

  here's the outline here is basically [TS]

  what happens i would have been like two [TS]

  thumbs up [TS]

  that sounds like a great idea and i [TS]

  still think that like having seen the [TS]

  story like this was a good idea for a [TS]

  story at you know big and small not just [TS]

  they should have like a movie where they [TS]

  try to get the Death Star plans but [TS]

  every part of it every every every [TS]

  character every relationship between the [TS]

  character everything that like I think [TS]

  it is a well-conceived outline but like [TS]

  Tony when I came out of the movies like [TS]

  execution-wise how well did you execute [TS]

  on that outline and you know how did it [TS]

  all hang together i had many quibbles [TS]

  with it and I think like Jason will [TS]

  probably uh say later i also was hoping [TS]

  for this movie to feel more free to [TS]

  diverge from the Star Wars movies and it [TS]

  definitely did you like read this is a [TS]

  chance to not have to be low as Star [TS]

  Wars Star Wars movies the chance to do [TS]

  something different but my main [TS]

  impression was that I really liked the [TS]

  story i was always liked the story i was [TS]

  excited by the story i'm excited to see [TS]

  it again but in many many aspects of the [TS]

  execution and and many small details I [TS]

  feel like they just they're just a [TS]

  little bit off-center this kind of [TS]

  missed the mark so I came out of it [TS]

  being relieved it wasn't terrible but [TS]

  like Jason aight aight i definitely the [TS]

  force awakens that we made a bigger [TS]

  impression on me before so it was a more [TS]

  important movie and [TS]

  think the force awakens also a better [TS]

  movie but this movie was good and I'm [TS]

  looking forward to seeing it again [TS]

  yeah best prequel by far the right I [TS]

  refuse to call it that haha it did do [TS]

  some of the things that I like about the [TS]

  cartoons the rails and clone wars shows [TS]

  like you can see what's bad about the [TS]

  Empire and what people don't like about [TS]

  having them control having the Empire [TS]

  control their planet [TS]

  I mean those shows are about war in a [TS]

  way that this movie is and basically [TS]

  none of the other stars movies there's a [TS]

  scene that was practically the first [TS]

  scene of Star Wars rebels yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  no I mean it's an evil empire and the [TS]

  perspective from the saga movies you [TS]

  don't always see it on the scale of the [TS]

  like the people who live in me and the [TS]

  Empire and we get we get some of that in [TS]

  row 1 i'm curious i mean something off [TS]

  of what John just said you know being a [TS]

  star wars III didn't notice at several [TS]

  points throughout this like I kept [TS]

  asking myself the question is it trying [TS]

  too hard to be a star wars movie or is [TS]

  it trying too hard to not be a star wars [TS]

  movie and I felt like throughout Rhode [TS]

  one was not entirely sure what it wanted [TS]

  to be now given that this is the first [TS]

  of these that they've made that is the [TS]

  off-year not part of the continuing [TS]

  story line thing that's not surprising [TS]

  they I think we're learning as they went [TS]

  but it did feel at times like perhaps [TS]

  the movie was a little afraid of [TS]

  diverging too far from the Star Wars [TS]

  brand or sometimes I thought perhaps had [TS]

  been pulled back from its original [TS]

  intent in order to keep it from [TS]

  diverging from the brand and then [TS]

  throughout you know I I kept feeling [TS]

  that same kind of question of like how [TS]

  many references to Star Wars stuff do we [TS]

  put in one more than everybody wants [TS]

  yeah i mean i I'd say three of my sick [TS]

  Squibbles are about that but I i mean i [TS]

  think it walks that line pretty well and [TS]

  it kinda has to walk that line I think [TS]

  in part because the matically it feels [TS]

  so different than the other Star Wars [TS]

  movies and so it's like we have to [TS]

  include all these kind of you know [TS]

  potentially annoying fanservice see [TS]

  things too like remind you like yeah [TS]

  this is still the kind of movie that we [TS]

  you want to pay money to be at and [TS]

  seeing this is still star wars movie [TS]

  even if it's going to feel very [TS]

  different in terms of like the tone and [TS]

  not spending a lot of time looking at a [TS]

  Jedi on on on on in every scene and [TS]

  things like that but it's like yeah [TS]

  we'll still be blue milk in the you know [TS]

  that the settings will still look like [TS]

  things in their storm troopers [TS]

  everywhere but it did feel a little bit [TS]

  like at times it was trying to [TS]

  overcompensate for that it's like we [TS]

  have to have all the Star Wars props [TS]

  scattered around every every set to [TS]

  remind you this is still a Star Wars [TS]

  movie even though we're telling stories [TS]

  that are not about Jedi and feel kind of [TS]

  different than the stories that get told [TS]

  in the other films at least though in [TS]

  the infinite ancillary media somewhere [TS]

  all-star smooth stories have been told [TS]

  so you think they have to walk that line [TS]

  though because like you said I all that [TS]

  they have to have this tension between [TS]

  the all-new I think the force awakens [TS]

  had to walk that line because it's the [TS]

  continuing you don't want to be too hard [TS]

  like that that's what the force awakens [TS]

  how to do this movie was a chance to [TS]

  break completely not from like you find [TS]

  put a prop in there or whatever but I'm [TS]

  saying like I felt the same tension of [TS]

  like breaking from like do you have to [TS]

  feel like a Star Wars movie [TS]

  yeah I mean I guess this does the like [TS]

  the tokens and the signposts and the the [TS]

  c-3po and r2d2 cameo and the cantina [TS]

  creatures cameos whereas force awakens [TS]

  is like no we have to have a trench run [TS]

  no I don't even mean that like you so so [TS]

  removed the way the movie started like I [TS]

  thought it got off to such a great start [TS]

  because thatthat's the tension all of [TS]

  our heads like how was it going to be [TS]

  like to watch Star Wars movie that we [TS]

  know is like not supposed to be like a [TS]

  regular star wars movie and the whole [TS]

  thing before I was gonna have a crawl [TS]

  whatever totally seem like it wasn't [TS]

  gonna have a crawl [TS]

  I was surprised to see a long time going [TS]

  galaxy far far away i was very surprised [TS]

  to see that was like wait a second I [TS]

  wrong because I i had been avoiding [TS]

  spoilers or anything about it so for all [TS]

  i know the entire internet known for six [TS]

  months that was going to be a crawl so [TS]

  they put that up on the screen like [TS]

  point it they can do a crawl and haha no [TS]

  they're not they got you like they do a [TS]

  little stinger and they come in and what [TS]

  do they come in on they come in on a big [TS]

  grey triangle coming from the top of the [TS]

  screen [TS]

  it's not a Star Destroyer it's just a [TS]

  great triangle made up of the Rings wish [TS]

  of a planet with the shadow going over [TS]

  that happens to make a triangle your [TS]

  notice that as we swing the camera and [TS]

  also that they did like cutting cutting [TS]

  to a planet cutting to a big grey [TS]

  triangle like they were totally like [TS]

  I know that you know that I know that [TS]

  you're looking for the thing but I'm [TS]

  going to tell you that this is going to [TS]

  be different and putting the big words [TS]

  up on the screen for the settings and [TS]

  everything it was like the movie was [TS]

  trying to assert its independence like [TS]

  it like a you know a teenager trying to [TS]

  show that it's ready to be on its own i [TS]

  did not like that [TS]

  I hated that it reminded me so much of [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy in a way that I [TS]

  just really did not appreciate but it [TS]

  was not Star Wars dislike it did you [TS]

  hate it because it wasn't Star Wars sure [TS]

  because you would have hated it in any [TS]

  movie [TS]

  no I it distant it wasn't necessary [TS]

  because in every single scene right [TS]

  we're in every scene where they put the [TS]

  words up of like this is this you know [TS]

  this is jetta they say maybe three [TS]

  minutes in [TS]

  yeah we're on Jetta Jetta is the last [TS]

  you know full of Kyber crystals it's one [TS]

  of those it's it's lazy storytelling [TS]

  where you don't need to put words up of [TS]

  a far-off planet on the galaxy [TS]

  especially some of them were just like [TS]

  they only have one scene there they [TS]

  don't need anything right you never need [TS]

  another neighbor but i got i'm not even [TS]

  talking specifically about the weather [TS]

  the words are there because I agree they [TS]

  were they didn't need to be there [TS]

  storytelling wise i'm just saying [TS]

  stylistically it was such a statement [TS]

  that they are going to do things [TS]

  differently than Star Wars and you know [TS]

  I said the movie starting off of [TS]

  supporting those expectations i thought [TS]

  okay that's it is really going to go it [TS]

  on its own but then it couldn't couldn't [TS]

  leave the nest like it wanted to show [TS]

  its parents that it was an independent [TS]

  adult but really it's still a teenager [TS]

  and it would keep circling back to to [TS]

  pull in the references and like I mean [TS]

  obviously gonna be characters are really [TS]

  you know i'm not saying all they can't [TS]

  have gotten better in this movie is like [TS]

  you know I I'm giving it all that I'm [TS]

  saying you don't need to bump into [TS]

  what's-his-face wanted a death sentence [TS]

  on 12 systems however not need to bump [TS]

  into him on the public he has a name i [TS]

  actually genuinely likes it [TS]

  what does he do just bump into people [TS]

  all over the galaxy and if I and say the [TS]

  same thing yeah wonder he's wanted men [TS]

  yeah he's running a con that's his con [TS]

  like he bumps into you and and then his [TS]

  partner shakes you down for money right [TS]

  it's rice is you just want the other guy [TS]

  consultant the butt facing a consultant [TS]

  what's-his-name Tony clearly it spawned [TS]

  Obama and dr. [TS]

  then Elvis's I don't know it'sit's belt [TS]

  but he's gonna see it i don't know how [TS]

  many syllables are actually in it and I [TS]

  think they did most of those pretty well [TS]

  I'm just saying like this movie couldn't [TS]

  quite break entirely from a but it you [TS]

  could see that it wanted to [TS]

  stylistically and am you know and I'm [TS]

  trying to stop speaking in broad terms [TS]

  because i'm going to execution like [TS]

  everything runs that is totally true [TS]

  like execution-wise like you could have [TS]

  in the planning stages the outline and [TS]

  we're gonna have words on the screen to [TS]

  establish settings and like okay well [TS]

  you know that's a stylistic differences [TS]

  like you can really set your own for the [TS]

  movie but then if you put those words on [TS]

  a planet there's only showing one scene [TS]

  that you never need to know the name of [TS]

  that you're blowing it [TS]

  yeah well and also on top of that they [TS]

  don't do it for every single planet and [TS]

  reckon they specifically don't put the [TS]

  the tag on because they don't want to [TS]

  give away who you're going to go see on [TS]

  the planet and I'm like well well how [TS]

  many wanna planets are there [TS]

  yeah but it's just it's the principle of [TS]

  the thing either you're going to label [TS]

  every single planet like Star Trek or [TS]

  guardians or net name of science fiction [TS]

  picture of the last 30 years or you're [TS]

  going to let your audience be smart [TS]

  enough to learn about the planets via [TS]

  dialogue or realize that the planets are [TS]

  actually important to know about unless [TS]

  you want to read the candidate you know [TS]

  the canonized novels or the visual [TS]

  dictionary is so iconic anyway because [TS]

  like the reason Star Wars doesn't have [TS]

  the label planets is there's a water [TS]

  planet business no planets planet like [TS]

  they don't need to label them when [TS]

  they're so incredibly different it's not [TS]

  as people going to get confused like it [TS]

  is that scarf or is that most of our can [TS]

  I can't tell like Ronnie this is the [TS]

  district nine planet this is the blade [TS]

  runner planet uh-huh [TS]

  this is the rain planet i like that over [TS]

  implants my feeling is definitely though [TS]

  that that there is this [TS]

  yeah just just a little bit of [TS]

  tentativeness or like I said thinking [TS]

  about you know you would think that they [TS]

  would have freedom because this is not a [TS]

  saga movie to go to be different but at [TS]

  the same time you know you're if you're [TS]

  Kathy Kennedy and the other people at [TS]

  Lucasfilm you are stewarding an [TS]

  incredibly important brand and you don't [TS]

  wanna I mean nailing force awakens was [TS]

  number one on the agenda but getting [TS]

  these movies to work is important and [TS]

  you don't want to kind of screw-up Star [TS]

  Wars if you can help it and [TS]

  and I did have those moments where I [TS]

  thought you know I don't know whether [TS]

  this is is trying a little too hard to [TS]

  to to be star wars or to not be star [TS]

  wars III felt a little bit like that [TS]

  with the music too although hearing the [TS]

  story about how little time Michael [TS]

  chiquinho had to write the music i'm not [TS]

  sure i can blame him but there are [TS]

  several moments early on where there are [TS]

  clearly like a call there clearly calls [TS]

  to reference John Williams Star Wars [TS]

  music and it doesn't happen it comes [TS]

  close but it doesn't and then it's weird [TS]

  because like the last half of the movie [TS]

  he just gives up and is totally [TS]

  referencing all the John Wayne stuff and [TS]

  I don't really understand that that [TS]

  either like why didn't you quoted [TS]

  earlier when we really wanted it and now [TS]

  you're throwing it in there you know all [TS]

  the time during the during the last 30 [TS]

  minutes of the movie I I was baffled by [TS]

  that too i'm gonna disagree with that [TS]

  actually because Jen's theme is pretty [TS]

  much an entire subversion of of madalas [TS]

  theme of padmé seem from tak of the [TS]

  clones and it comes in first five [TS]

  minutes of the movie where it's like I [TS]

  actually felt like there was a very [TS]

  clear undercurrent of gk no score that [TS]

  felt it felt like a Star Wars movie it [TS]

  felt like it was a star wars score but [TS]

  it had an attitude that it was [TS]

  distinctly its own [TS]

  I don't I for me it did not feel like a [TS]

  ripoff of Williams at all or an [TS]

  imitation of Williams it felt like we [TS]

  were going to live in this universe and [TS]

  we're going to play by the musical rules [TS]

  of this universe but we are going to [TS]

  compose you know things that are [TS]

  distinctly for Road one and you have the [TS]

  same thing with in sort of the closing [TS]

  scenes you have the start of the start [TS]

  of the you know what you think is the [TS]

  star wars refrain and then it goes [TS]

  somewhere else because we're not there [TS]

  yet we haven't earned that yet i like [TS]

  the music referencing you know god help [TS]

  me for saying this but i like them it [TS]

  was referencing the prequel music which [TS]

  you know i think the music and the [TS]

  prequels is one of the few things about [TS]

  that whole set of movies that i actually [TS]

  like literally you know encore [TS]

  uncritically just really like and when [TS]

  it was referencing whatever that [TS]

  whatever the sad music is from episode 3 [TS]

  when [TS]

  you can get online and everything [TS]

  referencing that later in the movie when [TS]

  we're dealing with Vader who is semi-new [TS]

  leave a turd right I thought that [TS]

  totally worked [TS]

  and it's a it's a great feat to make me [TS]

  feel a sentimental emotional connection [TS]

  to a series of movies that I hate by by [TS]

  referencing the music now granted it's [TS]

  not the score does not stand out on its [TS]

  own and and i think in retrospect the [TS]

  force awakens soundtrack has grown in my [TS]

  steam over time as I suspected it might [TS]

  it's not on that level [TS]

  I don't think it has to be but I do [TS]

  agree that in the beginning it takes [TS]

  awhile to find its footing you don't [TS]

  have to just restaurants classic classic [TS]

  themes and have standout themes of your [TS]

  own to do something with the music but I [TS]

  feel like right off the bat from from [TS]

  the from the the gag of not having the [TS]

  the crawl the music didn't quite know [TS]

  where to go until like rancid got into [TS]

  character themes and those were ok but [TS]

  there was nothing really iconic and the [TS]

  only real misstep I think it took other [TS]

  than not having its own iconic songs and [TS]

  not as not being as self-assured as the [TS]

  force awakens again i'll probably [TS]

  explained by the change in the composers [TS]

  and the time constraints and everything [TS]

  is this is one of this is a Tony level [TS]

  nickel i would not have a i would not [TS]

  have reference the imperial march [TS]

  against an empire song and we're not [TS]

  even into a new hope yet so don't do [TS]

  that how they worried we wouldn't [TS]

  recognize Darth Vader oh that's the [TS]

  darth vader music yes but it doesn't [TS]

  come until later [TS]

  music doesn't exist yet yeah although [TS]

  the prequels reference it right right [TS]

  but they do come after Empire like in [TS]

  our timeline you know time you want me [TS]

  oh I don't think that's how that works [TS]

  but only does it totally does where the [TS]

  doctor in the scenario i was happy to [TS]

  have the the the Empire march in there [TS]

  reference and then very lightly and then [TS]

  moved away from I thought that was about [TS]

  the right level that i was expecting at [TS]

  who didn't toward the end when we be yes [TS]

  it is Darth Vader is recognizable at [TS]

  that point we know what we're going to [TS]

  get there [TS]

  I don't know I'm let me let me um oh the [TS]

  other thing i want to mention here in [TS]

  terms of just talking about this is a [TS]

  new anthology movie is this is a you [TS]

  know Star Wars take at the Marvel [TS]

  approach to moviemaking of having you [TS]

  know a franchise that just keeps on [TS]

  turning out movies [TS]

  with Marvel it's it's more than one year [TS]

  they're doing a couple year most years [TS]

  sometimes they do three but i think that [TS]

  on average that you two movies a year I [TS]

  i think the challenge that these that [TS]

  this movie had this is not actually the [TS]

  challenge for many of these forthcoming [TS]

  announced anthology movies but for this [TS]

  one is that when one new Marvel movie [TS]

  comes out even if it's not a sequel to a [TS]

  previous Marvel movie [TS]

  it has a recognizable set of characters [TS]

  in it it's based on intellectual [TS]

  property that's been floating around for [TS]

  a long time [TS]

  that's had at least some residents with [TS]

  people in in in comics if not previous [TS]

  versions elsewhere and this you know [TS]

  this movie doesn't have that it has to [TS]

  establish all of these characters from [TS]

  scratch essentially and that's a harder [TS]

  job I think them then the job that [TS]

  Marvel movie would have to do i do also [TS]

  think though that may be one reason why [TS]

  some classic there was a little more of [TS]

  an emphasis on some classic Star Wars [TS]

  stuff getting shuffled in here just to [TS]

  make people feel like they got their [TS]

  money's worth from a star wars universe [TS]

  universe perspective because you know [TS]

  it's just it's it's easier to say hey [TS]

  it's a movie about dr. strange that is [TS]

  to say well this is a movie about gender [TS]

  or so and unite and and let you know [TS]

  listing all these these characters [TS]

  because they're their new that's it's a [TS]

  tough job it's not a job that the [TS]

  console young solo movie is going to [TS]

  have to pull off getting back to what [TS]

  you said before about the them being a [TS]

  tentative about deciding whether they're [TS]

  going to go off on their own or are or [TS]

  go whole hog into a new thing I 041 I [TS]

  want to give them some credit what I was [TS]

  getting at before with the I don't think [TS]

  we need to spoil her on this right [TS]

  no it's good Lord whole thing is [TS]

  spoilered yes yeah what I was getting at [TS]

  before with the saying if I'd seen a [TS]

  line this movie i would have given it a [TS]

  thumbs up is that they did have the [TS]

  courage of their convictions to make [TS]

  this a story about a desperate mission [TS]

  that is essential for the future victory [TS]

  in which every participant dies yeah for [TS]

  the most part right and so that that's [TS]

  the outline and they had the courage to [TS]

  do that which is not as many people [TS]

  pointing out because Disney owns and is [TS]

  not a disney style thing to do [TS]

  I don't care whatever it's not even a [TS]

  star wars thing to leave set disney [TS]

  aside it's not a star wars thing [TS]

  you so they had the courage of his [TS]

  convictions and let you see the movie [TS]

  being tentative and it's a shame because [TS]

  in every place where they confidently [TS]

  went for what they wanted to do i think [TS]

  the execution was better when they [TS]

  pulled back like it's like you know [TS]

  whatever you're thinking of doing before [TS]

  do that because when you do that you [TS]

  you're at your best and when you try to [TS]

  like you know that you know we'll talk [TS]

  about this later maybe now the the [TS]

  trailers with all the different lines [TS]

  and people are reacting to the the the [TS]

  mystery of what was going to happen with [TS]

  jenn and her being a tough character who [TS]

  was maybe not as likable and a nice [TS]

  helpful as the the character that we see [TS]

  in the movie are saying I rebell like we [TS]

  reacted to that in the trailer because [TS]

  that was all we had at the time and I [TS]

  think that fits with the tone of the [TS]

  movie but instead of having her to be a [TS]

  more hopeful character and and you know [TS]

  sort of reframing the movie as a [TS]

  microsecond less dark visit is pretty [TS]

  dark but like you know in the places [TS]

  where they didn't seem to have the [TS]

  courage of their convictions I think it [TS]

  did them a disservice and I should have [TS]

  trusted you should trust themselves and [TS]

  their audience to go more towards but i [TS]

  think the outline lends itself to which [TS]

  is a darker more serious movie and I [TS]

  like you're saying before Jason they had [TS]

  injuries all these characters and that [TS]

  is really hard and I think they didn't [TS]

  execute very well on that like it's it's [TS]

  very difficult how you look at the [TS]

  post-dispatch's got 17 faces on it [TS]

  we don't know any of those faces you [TS]

  have to establish all them and make us [TS]

  care about all of them i mean that's [TS]

  that's incredibly hard to even the [TS]

  original Star Wars like four characters [TS]

  they're going to really make you care [TS]

  about plus some ancillary fees it's it's [TS]

  a tall order i don't think they pulled [TS]

  it off so that yet but the degree of [TS]

  difficulty of this movie i think is [TS]

  higher than it probably should have been [TS]

  for the rest and ecology and I think it [TS]

  shows an execution but I am happy that [TS]

  we're really counted in the story they [TS]

  put on the screen [TS]

  I you know I think it they did a good [TS]

  job [TS]

  yeah that was definitely one of my not [TS]

  quite complaints coming out of the film [TS]

  but one of the things that I noticed the [TS]

  most lately is that this film doesn't [TS]

  have the charisma that force awakens [TS]

  as or that the original trilogies do in [TS]

  terms of developing their core group [TS]

  right you could arguably say that the [TS]

  core members of this story there are [TS]

  like 17 people but the the people that [TS]

  were supposed to identify with his leads [TS]

  are gin Cassian k2 and the two guardians [TS]

  of the Wills if you want to add them as [TS]

  ancillary and I think they did a decent [TS]

  job at flushing them out to the point [TS]

  where we want to care about them but [TS]

  they missed the mark at turning them [TS]

  into more than that where there's a lot [TS]

  jen is such a hard character to flesh [TS]

  because it's really it's really hard to [TS]

  explain PTSD childhood trauma in an hour [TS]

  and a half when you also have to you [TS]

  know steel Death Star plans but a lot of [TS]

  the dialogue I don't know for me it just [TS]

  wasn't hitting the way that it needed to [TS]

  where there were some lines that that [TS]

  resonated but a lot of the early stuff [TS]

  especially just felt like we were [TS]

  checking off expository boxes or it's [TS]

  like oh yeah so where's the where's that [TS]

  spy that we need to meet and where are [TS]

  we going now and rather than like [TS]

  there's not the only person bantering in [TS]

  the first third of the movie was [TS]

  cheering way and k2 and which wall I [TS]

  appreciate it [TS]

  I like i wanted to see something between [TS]

  Cassie and jen that sets up back 2 & 3 [TS]

  yeah i got a huge kick out of turret [TS]

  complaining that they were putting a bag [TS]

  over the head of a blind yeah that got [TS]

  out of it blew that one by making him [TS]

  say I'm blind like you don't need the [TS]

  last part we get it like that you want [TS]

  you want people to do the 12 count and [TS]

  figure out why he's saying are you [TS]

  kidding me i can edit it but i thought i [TS]

  left the way it was yeah I don't have [TS]

  that bigger play I mean I'd like here's [TS]

  the thing about about that the character [TS]

  charm and the dialogue very uneven [TS]

  because there were moments where this [TS]

  was definitely the force awakens level [TS]

  lot of k2's interaction oh we're just [TS]

  like the other elevated way about like [TS]

  wow this is amazing stuff and then my [TS]

  gran said and then there would be people [TS]

  explaining plot points mechanically to [TS]

  each other and the thing [TS]

  they killed me the most about the the [TS]

  repeated explaining of who has to do [TS]

  what so that we understand what's going [TS]

  on which again it's a hard thing to do [TS]

  when you have all these moving pieces [TS]

  and characters you've got to figure out [TS]

  and all these complicated plot like I'm [TS]

  not saying it's easy right when movies [TS]

  do this well and and the one keeping [TS]

  have recently which I know some people [TS]

  don't even like this movie but I think [TS]

  they'll think you did a really good job [TS]

  of having a lot of characters each of [TS]

  which has given something with civil war [TS]

  captain america civil war granted we [TS]

  know all those characters are ready so [TS]

  it's a little easier to create the [TS]

  difficulty but they had so many [TS]

  characters and so many people going [TS]

  through their own little miniature [TS]

  stories and everyone got two sentences [TS]

  to establish something and to make us [TS]

  care about them and to think their [TS]

  charismatic and to relate to them [TS]

  emotionally and they pulled it off [TS]

  much much better than they did in this [TS]

  movie when i get back anyway I'm the [TS]

  thing that really kill me when they have [TS]

  these people giving these lines of [TS]

  dialogue is that I thought this movie [TS]

  the live-action just like the settings [TS]

  the way this movie was shot was amazing [TS]

  i love how everyone looked wet and dirty [TS]

  and tired and everything was dark but [TS]

  not too dark like and it killed me these [TS]

  beautiful actors these beautiful scenes [TS]

  and he's don't like it was so beautiful [TS]

  to look at and they're saying she has to [TS]

  put slotting into tabby and then i have [TS]

  to do the way I got hot like every like [TS]

  it just if you just put on you and [TS]

  watching you liked this movie is [TS]

  beautiful like I was so happy with how [TS]

  this movie was shot and so unhappy with [TS]

  some of the not bad dialogue but just [TS]

  like not sparkling I'll get it [TS]

  yeah i think it was hard there's [TS]

  definitely like the characters [TS]

  definitely do not come across as [TS]

  charming and I mean I think a lot about [TS]

  Cassian who is kind of your hand solo [TS]

  analog here except like basically the [TS]

  first thing they do is establish that [TS]

  like no this guy is not as I mean he's a [TS]

  good guy nominally but he is not a [TS]

  smuggler with a heart of gold he shoots [TS]

  first yeah I want to talk about that [TS]

  when he and he did he does not shoot a [TS]

  bounty hunter he shoots like his contact [TS]

  information guy who is about who's [TS]

  basically inconveniencing him with his [TS]

  existence when I was its thing hasn't [TS]

  for the rebellion it's not an [TS]

  inconvenience is heartless just so weak [TS]

  after doing this so long it's like I [TS]

  don't shoot this guy is going to get [TS]

  captured because i can't save them so [TS]

  it's just a quick decision got to get [TS]

  rid of them [TS]

  that's the second thing that first [TS]

  he shoots the stormtroopers first you [TS]

  think oh so this is the guy who shoots [TS]

  first at oh no this is the guy who [TS]

  shoots his allies because he has to [TS]

  because their reliability I feel like [TS]

  that was actually a direct response to [TS]

  people saying how much they wanted hard [TS]

  to shoot first yeah so they could show [TS]

  him later on decide not to shoot first [TS]

  after being lectured about it and then [TS]

  we see Tarkin destroy a city of his own [TS]

  people [TS]

  Susan so they're saying no bad people [TS]

  shoot first not bad people like this [TS]

  hope the whole movie is there and the [TS]

  rebels are in a desperate situation [TS]

  series of hard choices and then actually [TS]

  like a lot of the rebellion is these [TS]

  people who have lived these horrible [TS]

  like a press lives and are now like they [TS]

  are soldiers they're mercenaries their [TS]

  spies and maybe their senses are [TS]

  terrorists basically means cause the [TS]

  best example they are not Luke Skywalker [TS]

  showing up in his white shirt being like [TS]

  I'm fresh from the farm looks you know [TS]

  like yeah he gets to be that but like [TS]

  there's gotta be 50 other people behind [TS]

  him who are like yeah I murdered five [TS]

  people because they they wiped out my [TS]

  family five years ago the important [TS]

  character arc of the movie is and/or [TS]

  learning that you can't do that [TS]

  I i think the pivotal scene is when Jim [TS]

  confront him and says you're just [TS]

  shooting people because you were told to [TS]

  you might as well be a stormtrooper [TS]

  yeah that movie is taking position right [TS]

  there that if you're the good guy you [TS]

  don't do that right writing and she's [TS]

  getting that he's getting that lesson [TS]

  from her and she's supposed to be this [TS]

  you know troublemaker who they've just [TS]

  you know recruited because they have to [TS]

  because she's related to the person they [TS]

  need to to get information about and all [TS]

  of that and yet she's the one who's [TS]

  saying you you aren't doing you know you [TS]

  are doing this right you're not being [TS]

  the good guy here but it was model [TS]

  though because there was there was that [TS]

  message but there was also the overall [TS]

  like the rebellion [TS]

  I do it for the rebellion and then know [TS]

  that the rebellion doesn't have a chance [TS]

  in this movie the rebellion like it in a [TS]

  new hope you know it's it's the underdog [TS]

  versus the overdog in this thing [TS]

  the rebels aren't even the underdog they [TS]

  don't look like they're in the fight it [TS]

  looks like they've lost before it's even [TS]

  begun [TS]

  they may think they've lost before it's [TS]

  been turning on each other never stand [TS]

  with factions ranks they're not even [TS]

  unified front [TS]

  what are they gonna do about the death [TS]

  star they don't their intelligence is [TS]

  terrible they really don't know what's [TS]

  going on they're obsessed with killing [TS]

  one but it doesn't even matter and they [TS]

  don't know it doesn't matter because [TS]

  their intelligence is bad and this movie [TS]

  is about like where did the rebellion [TS]

  come on there would have been no [TS]

  rebellion if not for this one mission [TS]

  with robot that this is this is there [TS]

  with you know the Empire would have won [TS]

  if not for these people and they [TS]

  sacrificed themselves in their entirety [TS]

  for their own individual personal [TS]

  reasons to do this that's one story in a [TS]

  separate story is if you're working for [TS]

  the rebellion and become as bad as the [TS]

  Empire you know you're just the same as [TS]

  a storm trooper and I think didn't work [TS]

  at cross-purposes but they didn't they [TS]

  didn't pick one of them and really [TS]

  hammer home which they couldn't because [TS]

  you could've had this movie be like well [TS]

  the rebels are gonna win anyway the real [TS]

  lesson they learned was that you can't [TS]

  you can't win at all costs because it [TS]

  will cost you you know it will cost you [TS]

  everything you're fighting fighting for [TS]

  and the other angle would have been you [TS]

  have sacrifices necessary and the only [TS]

  way for two victories is on you know on [TS]

  the backs of tons and tons of dead [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah unfortunately endures the only one [TS]

  that learned the lesson I like and he [TS]

  does not pass it along to anyone [TS]

  yeah he got caught up on the other [TS]

  lesson which is everybody dies [TS]

  yeah well let's talk about the the [TS]

  characters a little bit more before we [TS]

  go on to talk to the other things that [TS]

  were already coming in there [TS]

  I think I i mentioned k 2 s.o serenity [TS]

  alan tudyk who has played both the pilot [TS]

  and a robot in previous films gets to [TS]

  play robot pilot in this one typecast [TS]

  you know go with what you know he had [TS]

  the necessary paperwork [TS]

  honestly I think a to SF steals the [TS]

  movie had many points and yeah of the [TS]

  ten like audience wide laughs in this in [TS]

  my screening nine of them were k2s oh so [TS]

  the other was seriously I'm blind that [TS]

  was the other joke but everything else [TS]

  was a k2s o-line that made people laugh [TS]

  out loud including me [TS]

  alan tudyk stole my stomata and he [TS]

  doesn't have any dialogue aside from [TS]

  chicken squawks he's very talented very [TS]

  good retail job he's a great chicken has [TS]

  a great body to get pilot he's the whole [TS]

  package money that's what they call a [TS]

  triple threat so I like the design of [TS]

  the robot i like that are the droid I [TS]

  like the I like the eyes like the eyes [TS]

  are really expressive yeah and they're [TS]

  there are several the physicality of him [TS]

  because he's big and fast he runs at one [TS]

  point it's really fast he bombed that [TS]

  one guy [TS]

  the head and it's just hilarious he's so [TS]

  much more athletic than the drugs were [TS]

  used to seeing right only I mean you got [TS]

  the stumpy one from the seventies that [TS]

  couldn't be a delay tactic droid [TS]

  yeah you've got to get your beer which [TS]

  is human shape is you have a person in a [TS]

  suit but we're not constrained by those [TS]

  things so he is he is more like cat like [TS]

  in an agile and big and muscular looking [TS]

  and makes really think why did the [TS]

  Empire get rid of those like by the time [TS]

  you and hope comes around you don't see [TS]

  those guys running around so much that [TS]

  that's a good design it's because some [TS]

  dummy destroyed the city that has all [TS]

  their players ya think i need an [TS]

  operation black Sabre we can't do that [TS]

  anymore target black Sabre got destroyed [TS]

  the wisdom of of storing all of your [TS]

  files on one although i gotta-i gotta [TS]

  head to the the Imperial bureaucrat who [TS]

  said okay I'll tell you what I will [TS]

  build you your storage archive with all [TS]

  the hard drives on it i will do that [TS]

  will be my job i will build that but I'm [TS]

  going to tell you where we're going to [TS]

  build it on a tropical island that's [TS]

  where we're going to build and I got [TS]

  right fine [TS]

  you got a deal dude also all your things [TS]

  are going to be do you like bottomless [TS]

  chasms because i like bottomless chasm [TS]

  like walk away from the railings I like [TS]

  bottomless chasm released really really [TS]

  d to which they say look at who you're [TS]

  talking to [TS]

  there's a design spec for the Empire and [TS]

  they stick to it looks great you know as [TS]

  a style guide yeah he tried to tractor [TS]

  beam switch can you put that over a [TS]

  really deep chasm I know exactly the [TS]

  chasm full of hard drives full of all [TS]

  the Imperial data oh I like it I like it [TS]

  yeah he said I don't even understand [TS]

  where would you keep our dresses not a [TS]

  chasm like that just I don't understand [TS]

  where we're also they we write exactly [TS]

  it they had and they have the cool [TS]

  robots to go get them like I I know how [TS]

  we can solve this problem will have will [TS]

  have a remote-control robot get them [TS]

  that you pilot with these little steps [TS]

  that sounds fun what are you suggesting [TS]

  that they would be like network to each [TS]

  other that's not a thing as they have a [TS]

  sheet of safety glass between you and [TS]

  the chasm I'm like yeah the tour to porn [TS]

  jerks on the Death Star that have to [TS]

  work in the channel that the the laser [TS]

  goes through i always feel bad for the [TS]

  is strict instructions to lean away that [TS]

  radiation can't be good really but [TS]

  they've been in there since the first [TS]

  movie and I always feel bad Monty it was [TS]

  a long time ago railings hadn't been [TS]

  invented yet [TS]

  so you mentioned [TS]

  the Death Star engineering and galen or [TS]

  so genes father played by mads mikkelsen [TS]

  and I had that fought as we were [TS]

  watching a movie that first off so it [TS]

  and not to go too far down the path of [TS]

  all the Star Wars references that we're [TS]

  going to have to talk about at some [TS]

  point but it turns out the reason that [TS]

  there's the single horrible flaw in the [TS]

  Death Star it's because uh I a guy who [TS]

  would you quit because he didn't work [TS]

  for the Empire was forcibly dragged back [TS]

  after they shot his wife he built a [TS]

  flawed the death star on purpose but i [TS]

  thought at the end it's like go out so [TS]

  it turns out [TS]

  mads mikkelsen save the galaxy he's the [TS]

  one who has been here all along [TS]

  it's a team effort like he doesn't get [TS]

  him doing it on his own he also had to [TS]

  get the plans you also have to get the [TS]

  guy to use the Force to shoot the thing [TS]

  into it because it's not easy to hit and [TS]

  how many rebel soldiers had to hand that [TS]

  disk from one person to the other no [TS]

  guitar too [TS]

  it's really it takes a village was a [TS]

  bloodbath of the speaker now yeah yeah [TS]

  I'd like that that plot point though [TS]

  with that with galen first of all that [TS]

  the plot point of intentionally putting [TS]

  a full audit I don't think it's cheesy [TS]

  is all I think it makes perfect sense [TS]

  yeah because the this movie is entirely [TS]

  about people's relationship to the [TS]

  Empire whether you're all into it or [TS]

  your kind of into it or you're totally [TS]

  against the different you know the [TS]

  ranges and this is wasn't in the movie [TS]

  like so many other things but i imagine [TS]

  a relationship between chronic and Galen [TS]

  I imagine your college buddies yeah but [TS]

  they were friends before the Empire [TS]

  panic totally cheated off of Galen on [TS]

  exams [TS]

  oh yeah those guys are gonna factors the [TS]

  second on screen together you can tell [TS]

  how they got a history right and I am I [TS]

  like you know and they just diverge [TS]

  because you know he decided he couldn't [TS]

  be part of the Empire and they get like [TS]

  that that is such a great i thought that [TS]

  was a that a great way to explain it [TS]

  rather than just having like an engineer [TS]

  was just on its own on his own and being [TS]

  like I i decided i don't like the Empire [TS]

  i'm going to be a flaw in the thing to [TS]

  have him have a personal relationship [TS]

  and the split from the Empire mirrors [TS]

  his personal split because they're [TS]

  they're one in the same because of the [TS]

  different paths they've taken life and [TS]

  haven't pulled back in this violent way [TS]

  and to save his daughter and I mean they [TS]

  put a pin on it by saying just remember [TS]

  everything i do we do for you like you [TS]

  don't need to again [TS]

  that was too much but but I his [TS]

  motivation and this plot point even [TS]

  though it connects directly to a new [TS]

  hope in a way that some people might [TS]

  complain but i think it is beautiful and [TS]

  perfect and it's a it's an example we [TS]

  talked about the Stars travesty dress [TS]

  this is an example of an excellent [TS]

  wrecked on with a really good again in [TS]

  outline form with a really good [TS]

  character and motivation that i think is [TS]

  a reasonable adult look at at the world [TS]

  rather than a fairytale story and i [TS]

  liked the idea and you said it John [TS]

  automatically about your relationship [TS]

  with the Empire Galen are so is given a [TS]

  choice right his but his choices are [TS]

  basically we kill you you will be you [TS]

  become a collaborator or you know the [TS]

  middle is what he chooses which is to [TS]

  act like a collaborator act like I'm i'm [TS]

  totally up with the Empire and you know [TS]

  work secretly to hinder it every at [TS]

  every stage or build a and it keeps his [TS]

  daughter life because they're not gonna [TS]

  be hunting for his daughter to blackmail [TS]

  him if he looks like he's like welcome [TS]

  back onboard guys like we don't need to [TS]

  go get your daughter and hold her [TS]

  hostage because you're doing all the [TS]

  things you're supposed to yeah good job [TS]

  meds Mickelson except for his wife [TS]

  seemed really like angry and I don't [TS]

  know what she was doing obviously that's [TS]

  where she gets it from right yeah she [TS]

  went pulsing if you go with the idea [TS]

  that Orson and galen are our buddies are [TS]

  clearly have some history and Orson [TS]

  seems pretty pretty darn committed to [TS]

  making Galen work on this project [TS]

  you'd think that might put some strain [TS]

  on their family life and I think we even [TS]

  kind of get a hint of that because [TS]

  there's that scene where they're like [TS]

  they're on Carson or something right in [TS]

  the and he's he's there like drinking [TS]

  with them right and it's like he is he [TS]

  is present and intruding on their family [TS]

  life in this little kind of flashback [TS]

  right [TS]

  I didn't think in that scene it's like [TS]

  those stormtroopers like we know that [TS]

  there is like they can stunt people but [TS]

  they don't care they will murder someone [TS]

  in front of the murder someone's life in [TS]

  front of them to make a point even [TS]

  though yeah we could stun you and bring [TS]

  you along but no that doesn't that work [TS]

  for extra evil black strippers we we [TS]

  don't do that we're going to torch this [TS]

  farm after we should you should you you [TS]

  know with the Empire it's a chain of [TS]

  pain that goes all the way up to the [TS]

  Emperor [TS]

  and so one of the things i like about [TS]

  this movie is how we see you know krenek [TS]

  come to bring Galen or so back but then [TS]

  we see krenek who is the guy who has [TS]

  been in charge of basically building the [TS]

  death star or the death star weaponry or [TS]

  whatever but I mean he's basically like [TS]

  his career has been building this Death [TS]

  Star and you know hehe gets jerked [TS]

  around by the by the Empire and by [TS]

  Tarkin and he goes to complain about it [TS]

  to darth vader and I I think critically [TS]

  sympathetic know who's not sympathetic [TS]

  oh but I think that's kind of funny [TS]

  Jason are you saying that the the real [TS]

  city is toxic bureaucracy is that what [TS]

  you're saying [TS]

  well I'm going to go and hand-in-hand [TS]

  Tony they work together [TS]

  he's bad at office politics that's his [TS]

  problem like a piece target and you're [TS]

  both better at office politics [TS]

  yeah probably in Targon isn't target [TS]

  invaders boss Vader has more put it was [TS]

  more politically savvy you have a levy [TS]

  was going to the Emperor target target [TS]

  target is really not Vader's boss right [TS]

  targets a military guy invaders a free [TS]

  agent who works for the Emperor leaders [TS]

  not part of the command structure right [TS]

  he is I don't like he is the [TS]

  representative of the Emperor until he's [TS]

  conveniently outside the death star when [TS]

  it explodes [TS]

  yeah can we talk about target really [TS]

  quick yeah let's do it let's make it [TS]

  happen [TS]

  I did not care for that that looked like [TS]

  peter cushing it sounded like peter [TS]

  cushing did it but when every talking [TS]

  I'm thinking that's not peter cushing it [TS]

  was too much right like it first one yes [TS]

  face in the reflection I was like okay [TS]

  but then like he kept being there and [TS]

  it's like me that they had the face of [TS]

  the reflection in the glass and then [TS]

  they cut around and he says a line and I [TS]

  thought wow that day did a pretty good [TS]

  job there and energy and then I did I [TS]

  did for that very first like the one [TS]

  line and then it kept going there's a [TS]

  couple where he moves where can he was [TS]

  meeting and I thought oh no no no the [TS]

  way to do this was to give us a very [TS]

  little so we're like oh I see what you [TS]

  got there and by the time you start to [TS]

  think about the uncanny valley and [TS]

  pondering whether peter cushing the [TS]

  state was contacted all of those things [TS]

  how do how do you pay a Deadman we have [TS]

  moved [TS]

  we've moved along well by all accounts [TS]

  the woman who is in charge of his estate [TS]

  was brought in and they sign things and [TS]

  she went to the premiere and all these [TS]

  things but but anyway I I think you're [TS]

  exactly right which is a little bit of [TS]

  this would have been cool and i would [TS]

  have been totally on board but I feel [TS]

  like it was maybe like maybe some [TS]

  humorous there were like no no this is [TS]

  so perfect we can just have them on [TS]

  screen and we're going to zoom in on [TS]

  something about it there's I think well [TS]

  this is my thought this was my main my [TS]

  main execution complain about the movie [TS]

  coming out of it immediately might be [TS]

  the thought it was a dream i had as eggs [TS]

  in the theaters they didn't pull it off [TS]

  because that you know but the like like [TS]

  the mission like they did pull off the [TS]

  mission to get the plans outright but [TS]

  everybody diagonal brace i think it's i [TS]

  think i think the ideas I've been [TS]

  lobbying for this forever on podcast [TS]

  about it a lot of the ones we talk about [TS]

  pixar and other things [TS]

  photo-realistic humans in a live-action [TS]

  movie made entirely in the computer or [TS]

  think that's going to happen probably [TS]

  while most of us are ya [TS]

  certainly we just ran yeah the only way [TS]

  the only way you're gonna get there is [TS]

  by trying and if no one ever tries [TS]

  you're not going to get at it so in some [TS]

  respects i applaud ilm for having the [TS]

  guts to try to do this I don't want [TS]

  hubris I call it I call it you know an [TS]

  apple parlance courage like bravery [TS]

  courage like I i give them full marks [TS]

  shouldn't somebody at some point have [TS]

  said this is too much [TS]

  we're breaking the illusion here and I [TS]

  mean because they taste you tried it and [TS]

  then that I mean I think he probably [TS]

  should have had one less scene and he [TS]

  should have had one scene where he was a [TS]

  hologram need help folding in here is me [TS]

  when I feel like if you always do it [TS]

  that way like that's not trying if you [TS]

  always do it that way if you always hide [TS]

  your if you do like what special effects [TS]

  artists always do which is hide your [TS]

  weaknesses put the thing in the dark how [TS]

  many assistance you need to see cut in [TS]

  half on the state's John so they made a [TS]

  bold just like if it's perfect analogy [TS]

  for this movie right they they had they [TS]

  had a bold mission probably you know [TS]

  ill-advised but definitely courageous [TS]

  and and unlike the people like like the [TS]

  people in this movie [TS]

  they all died okay with it but the [TS]

  people movie got the plans out and these [TS]

  guys didn't so I kind of give them marks [TS]

  for bravery but the absolutely [TS]

  positively did not pull it off as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned when I'm holding what I'm [TS]

  head [TS]

  about is when regular people see this [TS]

  movie will they notice and if they [TS]

  notice do they care [TS]

  my question is anybody who doesn't know [TS]

  who Peter Cushing is and doesn't realize [TS]

  that supposed to be CG doesn't realize [TS]

  that you know that he died i wonder if [TS]

  they notice because I mean I notice as [TS]

  somebody who's a cgi nerd and likes [TS]

  looking for special effects and we [TS]

  notice because we know Peter Cushing is [TS]

  dead and it's super weird do it on [TS]

  someone who's not super famous yeah of [TS]

  course but I think about it from a [TS]

  perspective of like we're seeing more [TS]

  and more augmented humans in Marvel [TS]

  movies especially even hack the preview [TS]

  that of the previews of the road wanna [TS]

  screening that I attended had the the [TS]

  new pirates of the caribbean trailer and [TS]

  the the new villain with that is like [TS]

  his face is half floating off and [TS]

  clearly there's a lot of cg there so [TS]

  we're we're seeing more and more partial [TS]

  or full CG characters and I wonder how [TS]

  much of this is we know this character [TS]

  and it's blatantly obvious to us and [TS]

  blatantly weird and how much of it is [TS]

  hand-waving most people will notice it [TS]

  I don't know what everybody just said in [TS]

  the last five minutes but I just went [TS]

  and talked to my son [TS]

  nice and he had no awareness at all that [TS]

  was a CGI character i find it so hard to [TS]

  believe that people won't know there's [TS]

  something off maybe they won't know it [TS]

  CG but like that that's what i'm saying [TS]

  when they didn't pull it off like it [TS]

  doesn't it not that doesn't look like [TS]

  Peter Cushing it doesn't look like a [TS]

  human being and that's it that's a [TS]

  problem like that's the big problem I [TS]

  think other people didn't notice i think [TS]

  it is it's it's jarring test because we [TS]

  know he's dead and that its and then [TS]

  it's like we know this is a magic trick [TS]

  and now we're looking for where the [TS]

  seams are but it's not because he's dead [TS]

  like if you did it with a live person [TS]

  like you don't here's what here's the [TS]

  distinction i think the the young Robert [TS]

  Downey jr. in whatever that was in when [TS]

  he was young [TS]

  civil war maybe yeah probably support [TS]

  wire that i would say regular people [TS]

  won't notice and even looked off to us [TS]

  it passed muster even though it looked [TS]

  awkward and nerds know about it and it [TS]

  wasn't quite right [TS]

  I think pass muster with regular people [TS]

  I feel like this [TS]

  even people don't know what's off and [TS]

  you have no idea who Peter Cushing is or [TS]

  who have this character supposed to be [TS]

  it didn't pass muster [TS]

  Jason is wrong got it it's not just the [TS]

  visuals which is what makes this [TS]

  different from the robert downey jr or [TS]

  the Pirates of the Caribbean example [TS]

  that's not a peter cushing voice [TS]

  performance it's somebody imitating [TS]

  Peter Cushing and they're not as good an [TS]

  actor is peter cushing and that bothers [TS]

  me is someone like you might not notice [TS]

  it's wrong but you're being deprived of [TS]

  a genuine peter cushing permits which [TS]

  would be better and second even if they [TS]

  had done it perfectly [TS]

  I think doing it that much in the movie [TS]

  undercuts the princess later reveal at [TS]

  the end of the movie because we've [TS]

  already gotten used to the idea of CGI [TS]

  young up next people's 1977 performances [TS]

  yeah although the princess leia won't [TS]

  like it if you wanted to do with just [TS]

  one scene she was on briefly enough but [TS]

  man did did it not it did not come off [TS]

  and like here's the worst thing about [TS]

  this they didn't choose to do this for [TS]

  all like mon mothma showed the [TS]

  alternative and the alternative is [TS]

  fabulous like if they got an actor who [TS]

  looked kinda like peter cushing but not [TS]

  really i would have accepted because I [TS]

  understand it's a movie and understand [TS]

  the Mon Mothma actor is you know 40 [TS]

  years older and you know or maybe she's [TS]

  not a lot aren't even know like I accept [TS]

  that it's not going to be this didn't [TS]

  same way you except in a movie when they [TS]

  have like a kid actor and then adult [TS]

  actor and the kid doesn't look like they [TS]

  will grow into the adult actor you [TS]

  accept it was like well it's a movie [TS]

  that we can't reverse age are you know [TS]

  our star to be young and we don't can't [TS]

  do a boyhood thinks you're not that kind [TS]

  of schedule right you just accept it [TS]

  so if they had just merely taken [TS]

  somebody and he's got such an iconic [TS]

  look like talking is so iconic all you [TS]

  need is the hairline and the outfit and [TS]

  and you know and put them on screen for [TS]

  less time it would have worked fun they [TS]

  chose not to do that not not because I [TS]

  think of hubris but because they wanted [TS]

  to be daring this it's a it's a mild [TS]

  mining on so i give them full marks for [TS]

  that but it is absolutely the the least [TS]

  successful movie magic in this movement [TS]

  i think there might be more target in [TS]

  this movie that there was in the [TS]

  original star wars right now and by the [TS]

  way what was wrong with that i think is [TS]

  well two things 1i know you can do [TS]

  stills now that will full regular p [TS]

  people easily they take a long time to [TS]

  render but you can do them but animating [TS]

  personal space talking I first why don't [TS]

  have the skills past would pass muster [TS]

  is busy still looks a little bit [TS]

  plasticky me I don't know if they use [TS]

  like that the most advanced subsurface [TS]

  scattering for the skin or whatever but [TS]

  I don't feel the skills pulled off of it [TS]

  but the way his mouth moved if anyone [TS]

  knows in like you just look at it it's [TS]

  like that's not a human beings mouth [TS]

  it's close to one but I look at it looks [TS]

  like computer graphics and so the areas [TS]

  where it falls down or not so much [TS]

  it didn't look right or whatever but it [TS]

  doesn't move right and that is so much [TS]

  harder to do than just looking right [TS]

  which is why you can get away you could [TS]

  have got away with the layer reveal [TS]

  where she says her lines when her face [TS]

  is obscured and then just rotate around [TS]

  it shows not to say anything you can [TS]

  pull that off pretty convincingly they [TS]

  didn't but you could i'm pretty sure the [TS]

  layout stuff is actually composited [TS]

  found footage and not full cgi I think [TS]

  I'd could identify which scene they used [TS]

  it from but she wasn't saying hope at [TS]

  the time so they had to tweak her little [TS]

  it's complicated right because it's its [TS]

  face replacement and you know or it's a [TS]

  3d model I mean there's a bunch of [TS]

  different ways to do this right i mean [TS]

  i-i think I think the target in there [TS]

  was an actor acting as Tarkin and then [TS]

  they did it was you know face [TS]

  replacement with a model i was super [TS]

  happy to see layout that was 100% worth [TS]

  it for me I loved that ending [TS]

  I don't know that target was worth it [TS]

  because he wasn't really yeah but you [TS]

  had to do for the office politics you [TS]

  know you needed someone for for a [TS]

  chronic to be that you needed the [TS]

  unsatisfying boss relationship for [TS]

  credit would be to have had problems at [TS]

  work with his father he doesn't feel [TS]

  like he is is he is appreciated and his [TS]

  boss taking credit for his [TS]

  accomplishments and he's under pressure [TS]

  to do things which is a surprisingly [TS]

  common dynamic and we see these days [TS]

  after starting movies [TS]

  what do you say you needed that there [TS]

  but then like who would critics boss [TS]

  actually be it has to be targeting he's [TS]

  the one who's in charge right that's [TS]

  right that's true [TS]

  alright i guess it does have to be [TS]

  targeted at Grand Moff Teddy letter off [TS]

  Bob but the guy gets choked in the in [TS]

  the in the meeting with the coffee [TS]

  ok so let's talk about other references [TS]

  to start wars now there are lots that [TS]

  you havin for lookout on his tiny perch [TS]

  I love that guy [TS]

  love actually just got a point that [TS]

  thing at the ship's except for the ships [TS]

  that aren't supposed to be leaving I'm [TS]

  not playing anything about he's not even [TS]

  supposed to leave you got the blue milk [TS]

  i laughed with the blue milk i thought [TS]

  that was funny it's just there it's just [TS]

  they're just they're drinking they got [TS]

  some little they just leave it out my [TS]

  guess is shelf-stable blue it's the Blue [TS]

  John the blue keeps it stable i like how [TS]

  even on even on this lush green planet [TS]

  they still build their houses like [TS]

  underground like their entire domain [TS]

  you've got Jimmy Smits who is has stuck [TS]

  around from the prequels and see ya [TS]

  German to commit to this franchise good [TS]

  to see him yet another like and they [TS]

  pulled another good thing like a thing [TS]

  that I actually you know it they [TS]

  extracted the tiny bits of value that [TS]

  they're cooking the prequels referencing [TS]

  music which was good and Jimmy spits [TS]

  he's a good landlubbers yeah I was just [TS]

  worried I was like you should not be on [TS]

  the space that's not going to like you [TS]

  should be out like getting reelected if [TS]

  they like if there's like a scandal [TS]

  where you're caught on this base and [TS]

  like a paparazzi photo you're in trouble [TS]

  so does he get elected his daughter [TS]

  Princess Emily's sir I don't understand [TS]

  that were confusing [TS]

  yeah well you know how Padma is a queen [TS]

  who got elected i'm suggesting that [TS]

  Baylor got as a senator in her life [TS]

  position interesting it's something [TS]

  royal family something something [TS]

  yeah isn't it a little weird that they [TS]

  named that later as a princess when her [TS]

  mom was the queen and is that it was [TS]

  that just a coincidence but that's [TS]

  probably for another podcast because I [TS]

  didn't want to give her a downgrade when [TS]

  the adoption is like well you were born [TS]

  to this level we need to get lateral [TS]

  yeah there's a lot of people and a lot [TS]

  of cultures in the star wars universe is [TS]

  some phrases translate better than [TS]

  others from you-know-who Corellian to [TS]

  alter ad until two whatnot you know but [TS]

  I did like jimmy smits that was always [TS]

  one of those interesting characters of [TS]

  like that you know Bail Organa the idea [TS]

  that it's like who raised Leia and he's [TS]

  on Alderaan when it blows up and all of [TS]

  that i'm also mon mothma doubt that one [TS]

  played mon mothma in episode 3 although [TS]

  i think we've mostly cut out so there [TS]

  but there but it's 2 episode 3 actors [TS]

  they're having scenes together which is [TS]

  kind of fun [TS]

  it's the most fun thing to come out of [TS]

  episode three anyway I didn't really [TS]

  need c-3po Minos seeing what I've seen [TS]

  him a lot for r2d2 I thought that was [TS]

  unnecessary other than to say and [TS]

  they're here [TS]

  to everybody's here and put them in the [TS]

  background or something you know like [TS]

  that only lines they don't need to be [TS]

  like in the corner of the screen with [TS]

  his hand on top of his head like they're [TS]

  on the Star Wars story for ya much what [TS]

  else Darth Vader lots of Darth Vader [TS]

  what people think about me use of Darth [TS]

  Vader here you forget how different is a [TS]

  new hope i get up is an empire byzantine [TS]

  empire is the iconic one and it didn't [TS]

  change much for Jedi but the new hope [TS]

  one I like the red eyes and the weird [TS]

  next thing and that like that Morgan was [TS]

  like you know chest plate looks a little [TS]

  bit more simple and Lester I didn't have [TS]

  the budget basically in the first movie [TS]

  in the second movie could help you know [TS]

  but it was so nice to see that and the [TS]

  thing that fascinates me about beta is [TS]

  you know grandma always said he wants [TS]

  i'm pretty sure that certain portions of [TS]

  Vader when he's on screen or CG but [TS]

  because he's all black and shiny [TS]

  I can't tell exactly how ya see it like [TS]

  it because they can do that so well and [TS]

  see if you can even when i'm looking for [TS]

  him like all right so was the whole body [TS]

  cg at this point or just just the gloves [TS]

  there was the helmet because they're so [TS]

  good at replacing like the lead with [TS]

  bb-8 and the force awakens with the bb-8 [TS]

  puppet and they were like just replace [TS]

  the puppet ever the cg head its you've [TS]

  already got the real footage [TS]

  there's nothing in the way of it is your [TS]

  pole full detail prop but you think it [TS]

  would look a little better you have a [TS]

  little more control see Jesus entirely [TS]

  mask over the physical head with a CG [TS]

  had looked exactly the same and I you [TS]

  know I when I see it as a second time [TS]

  i'm going to look at it but I I thought [TS]

  Vader looked awesome and he was he was [TS]

  he he was what he needed to be he was [TS]

  the vader from a new hope there is no [TS]

  other vader i totally disassociated from [TS]

  those other movies this is the matter i [TS]

  wanted to see i love this Vader and his [TS]

  his triumphant his triumphant is this is [TS]

  seen in the hallway at the end i can [TS]

  just put that on Lucas watching yeah I [TS]

  was hoping for know Darth Vader coming [TS]

  in because I was hoping this would be as [TS]

  distinct from the regular star wars [TS]

  movies as possible but I loved seeing [TS]

  him and I realized because we spent so [TS]

  much time humanizing Anakin with the [TS]

  prequels which I personally do not hate [TS]

  or the cartoons which i really like but [TS]

  the heck with those guys this is the [TS]

  darth vader that's cool [TS]

  wheezing evil james earl jones voice and [TS]

  that i was really happy to see him he [TS]

  has a like a dark tower in lava land [TS]

  Tamar that was from empire for this [TS]

  story idea for Empire was that you know [TS]

  it was gonna be Darth Vader's cats in [TS]

  the original Leigh Brackett screenplay [TS]

  yeah right Darth Vader's castle and the [TS]

  sketches of it looks similar to what's [TS]

  there and it was such a weird idea for [TS]

  Empire is like you yeah i'm going to [TS]

  hoping like okay well Empire we get to [TS]

  see what elevator lives and it's cool [TS]

  castle again now we're not going to do [TS]

  that to have that come back to be before [TS]

  a new hope with it with a like it with a [TS]

  prebuilt I in that was first of all that [TS]

  was a hell of a pet who would not like [TS]

  the giant black castle a lot of planning [TS]

  with your own back the tank and and your [TS]

  own like servants and stuff he's got a [TS]

  great setup [TS]

  oh yeah I wondered a little bit like do [TS]

  you do you want to live right next to a [TS]

  lava pool like I mean what what is your [TS]

  one-stop faders like emotional feelings [TS]

  about working with dark mood i feel like [TS]

  this is this is the you know if I want [TS]

  to connect with the prequels I say he's [TS]

  coming out of the prequels he still live [TS]

  with grumbling about you how that went [TS]

  down slipping down the prequels right [TS]

  but you know and and like if you want to [TS]

  ignore the prequels and just be like [TS]

  this is after that his fight with Abby [TS]

  on by the pool of lava which we were [TS]

  talking about and you know in the [TS]

  eighties right but you don't have to [TS]

  pretend it's the prequels you're saying [TS]

  that happened and he's grumpy about it [TS]

  uh and he's resting on his planet he's [TS]

  gonna come back into his own after he [TS]

  gets healed up or whatever and he's [TS]

  pissed now and that's that's the guy who [TS]

  breaks through you know the the blockade [TS]

  runner at the beginning of a new hope [TS]

  he's he's big he is angry and and he's [TS]

  really powerful I liked his I like we [TS]

  get that mean a brief shot of him in the [TS]

  back to tank [TS]

  I think that's really cool just you know [TS]

  as a parallel to catching a glimpse of [TS]

  him from behind [TS]

  yeah I thought they were going to do [TS]

  that though they're gonna have the [TS]

  bigger the big thing after the after the [TS]

  movie was over we were walking out and [TS]

  and my wife said that she wished she [TS]

  could imagine my son making a comment [TS]

  but he's too old now to make that [TS]

  comment which is Darth Vader's bathroom [TS]

  is really weird [TS]

  you got this in your bathroom it's great [TS]

  like his office [TS]

  they're kind of creepy put you put your [TS]

  stuff on darth vader but i like i like [TS]

  that as a reminder and as an echo of [TS]

  empire that was a lot of that was a lot [TS]

  of fun to see I was glad he was facing [TS]

  backwards so I didn't have to see them [TS]

  try to put hayden christensen space on [TS]

  him so i could further emphasized in my [TS]

  own mind this is the real Darth Vader [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  what else what other references did were [TS]

  you struck by in the stormtroopers [TS]

  talking about the 213 teeth yeah oh yeah [TS]

  only 10-15 they say the t-50 because [TS]

  it's the t16 is next right now was it i [TS]

  have a gratuitous and we and we have you [TS]

  know the x-wing squadrons is the other [TS]

  thing right with all their stickers and [TS]

  helmets and yeah actually already blown [TS]

  a wide range blue squadron gets [TS]

  destroyed the Blues garage and checks in [TS]

  it was like I tell you I felt like [TS]

  someone kicked me in the chest low [TS]

  squadron there's no o.o get attached let [TS]

  me look at them as all these blue shift [TS]

  and you're like off them all day and [TS]

  then yeah it was it was balanced off by [TS]

  red5 disappearing like well you just [TS]

  bring up a slight yeah we knew right [TS]

  bring up a slight yeah we knew right [TS]

  and five later I was that was a loose [TS]

  quarter and it was just people surprised [TS]

  by the the scope of the of the of the [TS]

  space battle because that in integrating [TS]

  war film I didn't expect a big space [TS]

  battle i was completely surprised i did [TS]

  not think therapy and I i was i was [TS]

  delighted by that was good it was a [TS]

  really good space battle you there was [TS]

  good geography it which I know that [TS]

  sounds weird but it's like so easy and a [TS]

  lot of these movies with space battles [TS]

  to like not quite sure whether like we [TS]

  understand where everybody's going or [TS]

  what we know what they're doing or you [TS]

  know what the objectives are but with [TS]

  that kind of the ring with up like [TS]

  planet-wide force field with a little [TS]

  ring you could pass through which I [TS]

  liked I liked that as a conceit and that [TS]

  they're trying to get you know break [TS]

  through it or get through it before it [TS]

  closes which was there was that cool [TS]

  scene where it closes and the x-wings [TS]

  bounds off of the shield which I really [TS]

  liked and slide the bounce and snap [TS]

  blue squadron bending loads and pretty [TS]

  crazy battle where you have like you [TS]

  have the you know Jenna's were working [TS]

  her way up the tower and then you have [TS]

  the other people in different places on [TS]

  the beach doing different things and [TS]

  then you've got the people running air [TS]

  support on the beach and then the people [TS]

  above you are doing the different things [TS]

  you have the fighters and the capital [TS]

  ships but it didn't feel like I didn't [TS]

  feel lost or confused right now but like [TS]

  it's very well together i was a little [TS]

  confused about like what's the [TS]

  rebellions plan here like you guys put a [TS]

  lot of resources yeah well that's the [TS]

  thing they don't really have much of a [TS]

  planet then again i'm willing to believe [TS]

  like yeah they don't know what they're [TS]

  doing yeah Rwanda is going there like [TS]

  we're just gonna go like her she [TS]

  basically her speech was like we're [TS]

  gonna go into all this dye which is your [TS]

  first and maybe all of them will die [TS]

  I and then the other people are like oh [TS]

  we should go help and they just show up [TS]

  within our ships and planes are even [TS]

  kind of like a thing where like if i [TS]

  forget if it's blue squadron but like [TS]

  the squadron of x-wings is gonna go help [TS]

  and then they're like well if they're [TS]

  going [TS]

  everyone's going yeah yeah no it'sit's [TS]

  total it fits with the rest of the [TS]

  disorganized rebellion in fact that [TS]

  they're not unified and they'll just go [TS]

  and shop and they they don't do well [TS]

  like that they they basically get they [TS]

  lose most of their ships huge numbers of [TS]

  people the only reason that is any [TS]

  remote success is because you know that [TS]

  one ship gets away with Princess Leia [TS]

  and the plans on it and [TS]

  you know it was even like I think red [TS]

  leader blue leader was a general and I [TS]

  was like you should not put your general [TS]

  and you're like that's not remember all [TS]

  their like they always like every one of [TS]

  their sugar showed up [TS]

  yeah there we were just in a new hope [TS]

  OIC we're there [TS]

  yeah you know yeah isn't a general yet [TS]

  but she's going to be general real soon [TS]

  as the six succession planning it's like [TS]

  well everyone above me is dead so I [TS]

  guess I'm guess I'm a general you know [TS]

  that's that's not an elected position [TS]

  the geography also i wanted to mention [TS]

  the geography continues to get see the [TS]

  Death Star's there and we also get those [TS]

  cool shots of them like looking down on [TS]

  the planet destruction as they as they [TS]

  fire that one just a one reactor blacks [TS]

  out of there and then of course they say [TS]

  with Darth Vader will take care of them [TS]

  and so that the last bit of that fight [TS]

  is there there on the way out and Darth [TS]

  Vader's Star Destroyer comes in and and [TS]

  smashes a bunch of them and that was [TS]

  that was a great moment but but that's [TS]

  also it all made sense in the geography [TS]

  of and like I thought more of the ships [TS]

  are gonna be okay because they use the [TS]

  same ship designs is what we see in [TS]

  Empire and return of the jedi and so in [TS]

  my mind it's like it's the same ship [TS]

  that ships gonna invite it's like no [TS]

  bitch just the same model shine sorry [TS]

  that thing just got gutted happened [TS]

  that's not the medical frigate Luke is [TS]

  gonna get a reading on like it just [TS]

  looks similar [TS]

  where's Admiral Ackbar well he hasn't [TS]

  been promoted yet yeah [TS]

  yes cuz that's where you know they [TS]

  didn't have a fight where they take out [TS]

  the death star but like having to start [TS]

  a serious crash into each other that [TS]

  that was you know i'll take that is what [TS]

  pushed into each other that was and [TS]

  sacrificing their own ship to do it in a [TS]

  suicide mission right yeah that's what I [TS]

  want out about space fighters be saying [TS]

  that was cool and those starters [TS]

  crushing into each other than falling [TS]

  down love it was cool yeah I felt like [TS]

  they didn't necessarily need to connect [TS]

  every single dot to star wars and that [TS]

  when when they die i know they wanted [TS]

  that ending hand plans to lay and have [TS]

  them go off but like you could have [TS]

  probably omitted a couple of steps and [TS]

  gotten the point that this is why we see [TS]

  what we see at the beginning of Star [TS]

  Wars but they decided no we are going to [TS]

  connect and not a single dot like [TS]

  literally star wars starts like less [TS]

  than an hour [TS]

  after this movie ends I i think that [TS]

  mostly works because what i wanted to [TS]

  see was Vader yeah I what I later [TS]

  storming towards them to get the plans [TS]

  he's been brought in to get the job done [TS]

  right and i want to see those guys with [TS]

  the funny hats running yeah and yeah and [TS]

  like it keeps the neck one yesterday [TS]

  right then and I like that I like that [TS]

  echo of the the echo of the you know the [TS]

  hallway scene of the the opening of a [TS]

  new hope like they did the dark version [TS]

  of that pussy is it's great comparison [TS]

  because they're in so much more [TS]

  desperate set as desperate things are in [TS]

  a new hope things are going on the [TS]

  upswing by that point because they've [TS]

  got the plans [TS]

  they've been hidden in the droid they [TS]

  can't find the plans like they're [TS]

  tearing the ship apart to find a place [TS]

  like at them and we know where they are [TS]

  and they're incompetent people don't [TS]

  shoot [TS]

  escape pods with no life-forms on them [TS]

  right you know so i think things are on [TS]

  the upswing in that movie and this is a [TS]

  great downwards and do they have to do [TS]

  we have to seal and no I mean it's nice [TS]

  to see it we have to see it does this [TS]

  have to be the actual ship is escaping [TS]

  I probably not but I kind of like the [TS]

  fact that it like it literally I in my [TS]

  mind like the next scene is the first [TS]

  scene of a new hope I don't even think [TS]

  like a movie part you don't need there's [TS]

  no there's no other scenes between this [TS]

  and and I like that because it leads [TS]

  right into it i think it helps with the [TS]

  tone because the ending is so dark we [TS]

  see that all of our characters die [TS]

  darth vader shows up and just slays like [TS]

  you know eight you know guys wonder how [TS]

  was rebellion red shirts and it's we [TS]

  need something to cling to and so I know [TS]

  if they have to be kind of heavy-handed [TS]

  with like no has killed all the main [TS]

  characters everything's gonna be okay we [TS]

  gotta give you a new hope media to do [TS]

  that but like I think I think you can [TS]

  kill off all the main characters and not [TS]

  give you that at the end [TS]

  no I want to see that actual ship [TS]

  leaving because what i want to feel like [TS]

  is that every single person involved in [TS]

  this mission they have to show you that [TS]

  it was the wind even it was at horrible [TS]

  cost they do it was a way i want to feel [TS]

  that they they all sacrifice themselves [TS]

  to just like this one [TS]

  like what they leave behind is a half [TS]

  destroyed planet huge wreckage in orbit [TS]

  dead [TS]

  everybody is dead and the one thing that [TS]

  squirts out of the system is that one [TS]

  little tiny ship which is why the [TS]

  beginning of new hope you get the Giant [TS]

  you know Empire grey triangle looming [TS]

  above this one [TS]

  and tiny shipping like how can this one [TS]

  tiny ship you know it [TS]

  this is what they're down to their down [TS]

  to the giant Empire chasing is one tiny [TS]

  ship is getting blown up and bored like [TS]

  that's that's where you're coming from [TS]

  so i need i need to see something small [TS]

  and tiny leave behind the wreckage and [TS]

  if it was like another ship that then [TS]

  met up with Princess relationship and [TS]

  handed it off it wouldn't be it wouldn't [TS]

  be the funnel that I wanted it to be and [TS]

  I don't need to see layer directly i [TS]

  could have just seen the ship or [TS]

  whatever or she could be on screen for a [TS]

  second our only senior behind I don't [TS]

  need that somebody handing the disc to [TS]

  somebody named captain Antilles or [TS]

  something like that right right but i [TS]

  but i want to see that I want to see a [TS]

  ship leave that wreckage and I want that [TS]

  ship to be our new hope I think a lot of [TS]

  people needed to see Leia I mean I feel [TS]

  like there are a lot of people who are [TS]

  confused about when this movie is set [TS]

  and why doesn't have any of the [TS]

  characters force awakens are from the [TS]

  other characters and like they they want [TS]

  to see later yeah they're not going to [TS]

  see Luca and in a movie they be at least [TS]

  one of those three in there and so maybe [TS]

  we are okay with that but I think for a [TS]

  lot of people that like that there's a [TS]

  huge payout for them emotionally and [TS]

  seeing that I do love the seventies [TS]

  sci-fi movie our direction that they got [TS]

  to bring back it's all you know I it it [TS]

  with the the the quarry white corridors [TS]

  my guys with the funny hats and all of [TS]

  that it's like i love i love that his [TS]

  haircut yeah where none of the door just [TS]

  rectangles they're all weird trapezoid [TS]

  shape for no reason [TS]

  yep and then a break all the time but [TS]

  although i want to say like the funny [TS]

  hat guys like when the door jamb that [TS]

  they're trying to get out and Darth [TS]

  Vader is coming and they know he's got a [TS]

  problem [TS]

  I feel like they should have handed that [TS]

  data thing through the crack in the door [TS]

  and started soon anyway yeah yeah it's [TS]

  almost like you know throw me the whip [TS]

  you know everything on kind of situation [TS]

  there's like just give me the plans do [TS]

  like my face it you're a goddess right [TS]

  they want to let me think maybe the door [TS]

  will open its like doors like an open [TS]

  right is just gonna kill everyone in the [TS]

  hallway you just saw him kill all your [TS]

  pals your day right [TS]

  if you made I guess the mistake of [TS]

  closely analyzing the especially the [TS]

  teaser trailer as we did for this movie [TS]

  oh yeah watching them at all yeah what [TS]

  you found is that like in the teaser [TS]

  trailer there's there's very little [TS]

  other than that scene where they blow up [TS]

  all the stormtroopers and stuff in that [TS]

  ambush there's very little that actually [TS]

  seems to be connected to the movie we [TS]

  saw and I [TS]

  the one that struck me the most is Jin [TS]

  that clearly the initial intent with gin [TS]

  was to play up i think it's still in her [TS]

  character right we see her locked up [TS]

  there's a suggestion that she's been [TS]

  kinda on the run and on her own for a [TS]

  while and that she's done some bad stuff [TS]

  but in the final version it's it's [TS]

  really kind of soft peddled whereas in [TS]

  the in the trailer the implication was [TS]

  that she was you know she had been [TS]

  picked up and and and handcuffed by the [TS]

  rebels essentially like maybe she is [TS]

  doing things that the rebels don't [TS]

  approve of but they've got a mission for [TS]

  her and I think that was really an [TS]

  interesting change to see outside of the [TS]

  actual text of the movie to see how they [TS]

  they obviously decided to kind of soften [TS]

  her character a little bit and have it [TS]

  make it more about her relationship with [TS]

  her father and trying to reconnect with [TS]

  him then her being kind of this cynical [TS]

  criminal who had to be recruited with a [TS]

  ragtag group of of rebels in order to [TS]

  solve the Death Star problem if they [TS]

  didn't have to pick one of the other she [TS]

  could have had that father relationship [TS]

  and also been the sort of maladjusted [TS]

  bad attitude I mean that's in the movie [TS]

  like that the scene where she's rescued [TS]

  she's rescued from the prison ship and [TS]

  her reaction is to beat the hell out of [TS]

  the people rescue me and she's like once [TS]

  I'm freed I also don't want to associate [TS]

  with you rescuers I'm formed my own I'm [TS]

  my own person i'm on my own i watch out [TS]

  for myself I don't trust you as far as I [TS]

  can for you yes you're setting me free [TS]

  but my reactions to immediately hit you [TS]

  in the face like that's the character [TS]

  that was in the trailer and I know it's [TS]

  not good to like you know blame the [TS]

  movie for the trailers the trailers [TS]

  whatever it is but honestly this is the [TS]

  movie that has the most divergence from [TS]

  all the trails i only watch the teaser [TS]

  on the one we talked about in this [TS]

  pocket I intentionally didn't watch [TS]

  elements and i'm so glad i didn't but so [TS]

  much from all three of the trailers for [TS]

  this movie and all like is just not only [TS]

  is it not in the movie there's no [TS]

  equivalent in the movies not as if they [TS]

  chose a different line reading or [TS]

  different angular got the same [TS]

  information information out in a [TS]

  different scene is just plain not in the [TS]

  movie and I don't really care like oh [TS]

  they changed their mind about this [TS]

  happens like that i like the outline of [TS]

  the movie i like the idea of of the [TS]

  overall plot in the details of my Jason [TS]

  was talking about like a [TS]

  in not being quite as well as much of a [TS]

  you know a thorn in the side of the [TS]

  rebellion because she's just [TS]

  uncontrollable and you know more like [TS]

  songs group like the the rebels that the [TS]

  rebels find annoying because they're [TS]

  just yet she's wildly she's going she's [TS]

  a wild and out of control that's one of [TS]

  the strategies a trailer that's what you [TS]

  get is she is a wild uncontrollable [TS]

  person that they have to deal with and [TS]

  they don't like it [TS]

  friend and thats briefly in the movie in [TS]

  different parts but in other parts it's [TS]

  not and I felt like if they hit again [TS]

  had you know stuck with that you could [TS]

  have had everything could have had the [TS]

  father relationship you could have all [TS]

  that stuff you could have i don't i [TS]

  don't think they needed to worry about [TS]

  making her likable are making her a [TS]

  source of hope because i think they [TS]

  should have trusted the audience to [TS]

  understand that you know you have to [TS]

  eventually get her to come around the [TS]

  idea of the rebellion is a good idea [TS]

  fine you have to do that but it could [TS]

  have just been the only person who get [TS]

  this job done with somebody who is dis [TS]

  extreme and this uncontrollable and in [TS]

  the end she's the only reason this [TS]

  worked and I don't think you need to [TS]

  like to all but I didn't like her she [TS]

  was too mean I don't think that would [TS]

  have been an issue because we would have [TS]

  seen her sacrifice and her bravery and [TS]

  her leadership and all the other things [TS]

  that were in the movie I i wish they'd [TS]

  get you know I don't know if you say I [TS]

  wish they stuck to their guns i have no [TS]

  idea that was ever in there but the [TS]

  trailers made me think that she would be [TS]

  a different character than she wasn't we [TS]

  slightly and I see half of that [TS]

  character is actually fluctuates she's [TS]

  the one for the trailer now she's not [TS]

  now she's the one from the trailer now [TS]

  she's not and i think i think it [TS]

  weakened her overall yeah I mean we and [TS]

  we will never know what that other movie [TS]

  is before they you know they reshot and [TS]

  they changed the movie and and and quite [TS]

  possibly for the better [TS]

  we just don't we just don't know but [TS]

  that's clearly something that changed I [TS]

  think they did like if i had to guess I [TS]

  would say that they probably did improve [TS]

  the movies I again I like what happened [TS]

  in the movie is just in the details like [TS]

  while it's happening how is this person [TS]

  acting and what is their attitude [TS]

  towards it and i think it would just [TS]

  tweaked it a little bit and you know [TS]

  that but in the same with all the [TS]

  different things like they have scenes [TS]

  of her running all over the place with [TS]

  the Death Star plans legit yeah she's [TS]

  not even our on the beach and she's got [TS]

  the plans during the battle with the [TS]

  walkers which suggests that in a [TS]

  previous draft of this that they shot [TS]

  some of that they were going to get out [TS]

  of the building with the [TS]

  plans and you know died elsewhere and [TS]

  dial swear presumably yeah right and you [TS]

  know and like NFL in what they replaced [TS]

  it with like I don't know why they [TS]

  changed things around but with your [TS]

  place with her confrontation with [TS]

  chronic on the walkway no tie fighter to [TS]

  be found her confrontation there the way [TS]

  it's resolved [TS]

  I mean like it's not bad like you know [TS]

  you know Cassie and comes back and we [TS]

  thought it was dead but he's not and he [TS]

  you know like the two of them working [TS]

  together fun that it's all right but [TS]

  it's not as cool as that I fighter [TS]

  popping up i can tell you that my idea [TS]

  and ironic was down in the beach to in [TS]

  the trailer [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs now getting back up when [TS]

  I was like that to me was like the [TS]

  second most iconic thing from the [TS]

  trailer it's the IRA beltline which [TS]

  isn't in it and then him walking with [TS]

  his capability in the water [TS]

  yeah and he looks like he I mean he [TS]

  looks really badass there and especially [TS]

  in comparison to like his his first [TS]

  couple appearances where he's wearing [TS]

  that behalf that he eventually stopped [TS]

  where it was like that he said this is a [TS]

  different guy the guy the guy who's [TS]

  striding across a battlefield with with [TS]

  his kid not caring that escape is [TS]

  getting soaked in the sand and water [TS]

  would not wear that hat so the end of [TS]

  june story kind of doesn't make sense at [TS]

  this point she and and or on top of the [TS]

  world's biggest tower yeah radio start [TS]

  the thing do they then take the elevator [TS]

  downstairs and wander out to the beach [TS]

  to do that i have the time to do that [TS]

  but they don't have the time to [TS]

  apparently got on the ship and fly away [TS]

  i hate to say it but it's like the end [TS]

  of is a deep impact to right where [TS]

  exactly like deep impact my favorite [TS]

  Leone has to sit down at the coast and [TS]

  wait for those wave to come in and kill [TS]

  them all yeah I like that scene though [TS]

  especially you know the only part I like [TS]

  working yeah I don't mind sitting there [TS]

  waiting for the tsunami to kill him and [TS]

  I thought that was effective there I [TS]

  thought it was effective here [TS]

  yeah but a lot of deep impact talk and [TS]

  speak of that like the Death Star the [TS]

  idea of having the stars we know this [TS]

  was gonna be a movie right having here [TS]

  but having it having it do like the [TS]

  low-power version 1 reactor for reasons [TS]

  that are not really that well explained [TS]

  like oh its new we just want tested a [TS]

  little bit of whatever but i think that [TS]

  works so well because i'm so glad that [TS]

  the star was running around blowing up [TS]

  planets you're like wait a second like [TS]

  wasn't Alderaan supposed to be the [TS]

  demonstration bob was like oh yeah [TS]

  another [TS]

  was we did these wimpy thanks for and [TS]

  the wimpy things are incredibly [TS]

  impressive i think it makes a really [TS]

  good visuals like blowing up one big [TS]

  planet and just having someone in the [TS]

  seventies do set off a firecracker [TS]

  deposited on top of a picture of a movie [TS]

  like that's one thing but this with [TS]

  modern effects just blowing up a city [TS]

  and just the shock wave coming from an [TS]

  area incredibly destructive established [TS]

  early on that you really feel like the [TS]

  Kyber crystals and all that stuff like [TS]

  that was a significant you know a thing [TS]

  to blow up and then then you know what's [TS]

  coming in the climax you know what [TS]

  they're gonna do and if you just had a [TS]

  blow-up the whole planet it's not as [TS]

  much understand that as much fun but it [TS]

  doesn't make for as much drama as just [TS]

  blowing up the city it left their beasts [TS]

  survivors right i mean you have these [TS]

  people that see the city on Jetta get [TS]

  blown up and some people get away and [TS]

  it's like those are people that will [TS]

  never you know that they are now there [TS]

  are no longer like well you know the [TS]

  Empire's pretty bad but I don't know if [TS]

  I can do anything about it lyrics your [TS]

  local systems in line [TS]

  yeah I just let or more radicalized them [TS]

  execute yeah I'm just glad they actually [TS]

  had to source the television control [TS]

  panels together he throws CRT [TS]

  preparation together they did not change [TS]

  any of that except for shooting again [TS]

  with better cameras and yes I was [TS]

  wondering if if they actually use the [TS]

  footage I kept looking at him like is [TS]

  that the exact footage they recreate it [TS]

  so perfectly that my same piece and [TS]

  everything yeah just sort of takes us [TS]

  back to two references to the larger [TS]

  universe but the fact that we have this [TS]

  stuff seven jetta you know this is the [TS]

  this is the original Jedi Temple [TS]

  basically like the names are connected [TS]

  that the Jedi from jetta this is all [TS]

  connected and i like that i like the [TS]

  dimension of the Kyber crystals i like [TS]

  the idea that there are there are force [TS]

  you know force monks force believers who [TS]

  are not Jedi but they're like the [TS]

  guardians of the temple and stuff i [TS]

  thought that was really cool that's [TS]

  where we see that's Donnie Yen that do [TS]

  cool who is super cool right and but i [TS]

  also like that he is praying with force [TS]

  and that's like he's a force monk kind [TS]

  of you know not a Jedi but he's a force [TS]

  believing in the Jedi kind of [TS]

  traditional religious order he sort of [TS]

  like all that's left and it's and that [TS]

  there's that shot of the the desert with [TS]

  the with [TS]

  giant statue like Lord of the Rings [TS]

  style statue accepted to laying you know [TS]

  it's down in the desert with dust all [TS]

  over it like all of all of that was cool [TS]

  just to give you again that sense like [TS]

  the Jedi used to be something big but [TS]

  something really bad happened and now [TS]

  they're just sort of fading away into [TS]

  history and being suppressed by the [TS]

  Empire much more of the vibe that you [TS]

  get from Han Solo saying you know I [TS]

  don't believe that stuff about those [TS]

  ancient religions and stuff like that i [TS]

  think that's cool well I just merge two [TS]

  different things together there because [TS]

  it's the Empire guy who says Vader has a [TS]

  stupid agent religion and I i got there [TS]

  i got their star wars nerds calm down [TS]

  but you get my point like in Star Wars [TS]

  Jedi seems like old and and people don't [TS]

  even believe that it was real and then [TS]

  the prequels like there are jet you bump [TS]

  into a Jedi on almost every corner and [TS]

  this restored that kind of mystical [TS]

  weird mysterious aspect to them in a [TS]

  cool way I thought that was good and [TS]

  onion is great even our force monk even [TS]

  donnie yen was like he wasn't just uh I [TS]

  have the forest and I'm super confident [TS]

  you could tell his faith was shaken too [TS]

  shaken by the fact that the Empire has [TS]

  taken over shaken by like that he knows [TS]

  he's not a Jedi yet so half the time [TS]

  he's trying to convince himself that you [TS]

  know the forces with him right he has [TS]

  any repeats this little thing like he he [TS]

  seems he seems uncertain like i like [TS]

  everyone this movie there there put upon [TS]

  by the Empire they're not they're not [TS]

  confident in their place and things that [TS]

  they once that once hung their hat on [TS]

  are now everything everything's up for [TS]

  grabs and when they blow up the whole [TS]

  city is just like that was that all they [TS]

  had left was like they used to be [TS]

  guarded temple that was looking over the [TS]

  guards they looted all the Kyber [TS]

  crystals which apparently power the [TS]

  Death Star and they're they're just so [TS]

  so did downtrodden and like it to see [TS]

  him try to fuck himself up and to use [TS]

  what little for sensitivity has to to [TS]

  get things done and to eventually be [TS]

  motivated to sacrifice themselves like [TS]

  all the little bits and pieces are there [TS]

  for us to every characters movie has an [TS]

  explicable motivation that is at the [TS]

  very least hinted at in the movie i [TS]

  don't think they do a good job of [TS]

  nailing all them down but there is [TS]

  there's enough there for you to hang [TS]

  your head can on for every single one of [TS]

  them [TS]

  even like you know from the Imperial [TS]

  pilot to the you know that the other [TS]

  random people like but do I i wish i [TS]

  wish they had picked like seven of them [TS]

  and like you know they had enough lines [TS]

  that have enough time to do it in the [TS]

  movie they just didn't quite nail and a [TS]

  lot of that could have been reading and [TS]

  making a lot of the character spend a [TS]

  lot of time doing exposition to explain [TS]

  what needs to get to wear that was time [TS]

  that could have been better spent [TS]

  telling us like it's hit you know it's [TS]

  hinted at this is this character's [TS]

  motivation give me give me two lines or [TS]

  an exchange and a look that they really [TS]

  nailed that down so i don't have to [TS]

  invent it all myself I want to know more [TS]

  about children and bays in five to have [TS]

  a whole nother move to do that i'd be [TS]

  happy with that [TS]

  oh my God look guys look like they have [TS]

  fun i really enjoyed reading the [TS]

  novelization for rogue one because it [TS]

  gave me like oh I want to know more [TS]

  about these characters but clearly it's [TS]

  impossible to give fleshed-out [TS]

  backstories for 14 characters in a [TS]

  two-and-a-half-hour movie high and I [TS]

  appreciated that it that is available to [TS]

  those who want it I'd imagine there will [TS]

  be some really interesting ancillary [TS]

  media in the future about these [TS]

  characters about what led them to this [TS]

  movie i would think right i think so i [TS]

  would I mean now that the guardians of [TS]

  the Wills our cannon [TS]

  yeah it's not fun ones cool it's cool i [TS]

  like that a lot [TS]

  I like that whole the whole feel of that [TS]

  at every stores it's like John said [TS]

  about Darth Vader is like whatever [TS]

  happened in the prequels it's like that [TS]

  all feels like the force and the Jedi [TS]

  and stuff like that felt like in Star [TS]

  Wars right like that that is the feeling [TS]

  that broke one gives us and that's I [TS]

  mean we've been talking about this a lot [TS]

  but I mean that's the this is this this [TS]

  takes place right before literally right [TS]

  before Star Wars starts this is a period [TS]

  piece but it is matching the period in [TS]

  Star Wars lower of of the original film [TS]

  of Star Wars and that's cut its kind of [TS]

  delightful to be able to play in that in [TS]

  that period it's not like the prequels [TS]

  which were set set you know decades you [TS]

  know decade or two beforehand [TS]

  this is right up against her [TS]

  word up against a movie that we all know [TS]

  so well and you know yeah that that it's [TS]

  pretty great [TS]

  one thing that I want to mention is lots [TS]

  of settings we talked about the labels [TS]

  early out it seems like there maybe [TS]

  maybe there was too much or maybe it was [TS]

  just that there were labels and stuff [TS]

  like that and the the rainy painting [TS]

  there were maybe a few too much or maybe [TS]

  it was that they didn't need maybe they [TS]

  felt more because they were named right [TS]

  that was like I mean rings of carefree [TS]

  and where he he should wear casio shoots [TS]

  his his his a contact there to get away [TS]

  and then we never go back [TS]

  right right i mean a frog's intensive [TS]

  there's live on you know live a la roux [TS]

  which will never go back yeah you know I [TS]

  forget the name of the radio planet but [TS]

  it's a lot right because I mean it's [TS]

  jetta java dance Cara for the big places [TS]

  but it's like we're also going to check [TS]

  it on 45 other little place yes the [TS]

  rainy planet that was actually a thing [TS]

  that I felt like I i don't know whether [TS]

  that was again it's in my head now about [TS]

  like they did the reshoots and that the [TS]

  trailer doesn't really match the movie [TS]

  but like the reigning planet something [TS]

  about it sort of set me off and it's not [TS]

  that it wasn't good stuff but I felt [TS]

  like it felt like weird structurally [TS]

  like I felt like the movie wanted to [TS]

  jump from from a jetta to the to the [TS]

  base to the whatever the name of that [TS]

  other planet is the beach planet [TS]

  uh-hum and and it didn't write instead [TS]

  we had this like side mission which was [TS]

  to the bit like we we know where the [TS]

  plans are but we're not going to wear [TS]

  the plans are because instead we're [TS]

  going to go kill Galen or so and [TS]

  thankfully the main bad guy will also be [TS]

  there while we're doing our side [TS]

  missions to make it feel like it's [TS]

  connected to the plot it [TS]

  yeah it was connected because the the [TS]

  was named chronic was there to like [TS]

  because he got reprimanded for something [TS]

  going wrong and he's going to go [TS]

  Days underlying you know credit logs a [TS]

  lot of miles in this [TS]

  yeah well beyond he's gotta leave it's [TS]

  rolling downhill and he's gonna set [TS]

  things straight over there like you have [TS]

  to have some place for her father to die [TS]

  and i don't know where else you would [TS]

  you would shoot this because this is [TS]

  where he is apparently and so having [TS]

  both convergently I think the thing that [TS]

  should emphasize more is that I said it [TS]

  before but they don't really didn't [TS]

  really put a pin on in the movie that [TS]

  the rebels are obsessed with killing [TS]

  Galen because they think he is essential [TS]

  for building this weapon but their [TS]

  intelligence is really old they've [TS]

  already built it [TS]

  it's done like so their obsession with [TS]

  kill ya RAB session with killing Galen [TS]

  is just because they have crappy [TS]

  intelligence and so the whole mission he [TS]

  sent on like you know that the his look [TS]

  first of all the training command [TS]

  sterilized I whispers tonight you're on [TS]

  this mission by the way you see you see [TS]

  gallon just kill him i'm giving me i'm [TS]

  giving his unilateral water i guess he's [TS]

  at he's part of that some faction so [TS]

  he'll take that order from him despite [TS]

  the fact that in the room [TS]

  this wasn't what was agreed upon is the [TS]

  plan they have real command control [TS]

  problems in the rebellion at but but yea [TS]

  big head [TS]

  it's totally pointless because it's [TS]

  pointless because they just don't know [TS]

  which is fine like I think that that is [TS]

  a that that's a realistic depiction of a [TS]

  rebellion that has been intelligence [TS]

  right but it should be clear to the [TS]

  audience more during the mission that oh [TS]

  and by the way we both know that their [TS]

  mission that this is this is a foolish [TS]

  mission anyway and i think that would [TS]

  add an extra aspect to him deciding [TS]

  where he's going to fire like he he's [TS]

  got a he's got to decide what he wants [TS]

  to do it but also we the audience should [TS]

  know [TS]

  and by the way it doesn't matter which [TS]

  we kind of do no but they don't they [TS]

  don't put a pin in so I feel like this [TS]

  there's a lot of things in the plot that [TS]

  I think I watched with a nonsense star [TS]

  wars nerd i would have to explain [TS]

  afterwards just how the basics of the [TS]

  plot fit together because it's kind of [TS]

  all over the place and he really you [TS]

  really have to be the kind of person who [TS]

  is trying to stitch it together to make [TS]

  you here like the threat is there you [TS]

  can see the through line but it just it [TS]

  just doesn't snap together that well [TS]

  yeah i'm not sure the trip to Rainey [TS]

  planet is necessary from a plot [TS]

  standpoint at all [TS]

  oh how do you killed items necessary for [TS]

  well but its necessary because you don't [TS]

  need to kill Galen I think it's [TS]

  necessary for a character wait for Jon [TS]

  I'm a character standpoint to have those [TS]

  scenes and I understand why they're [TS]

  there because it informs the [TS]

  relationship between june and Cassie and [TS]

  it allows us to see Galen or so and for [TS]

  him to have a last moment with his [TS]

  daughter we get to seek Rennicks [TS]

  relationship with Kailyn and how [TS]

  frustrated that is you know and how he [TS]

  knows now that he's been portrayed and [TS]

  it drives it a dotted line all the way [TS]

  back the first scene of the movie all of [TS]

  those reasons are there I just you know [TS]

  the end yet part of me is thinking I'm [TS]

  not quite sure why they aren't just [TS]

  going to get the plans now and you know [TS]

  it's because the movie needs our [TS]

  characters to have good character stuff [TS]

  so we have to make a stop for character [TS]

  admit is that it's the wrongheaded [TS]

  mission to kill whoever his directory [TS]

  where the guy was who whispers to him [TS]

  before he gets on it that's his he [TS]

  thinks he's doing the right thing [TS]

  because he says this is what we forget [TS]

  about what they're saying they think we [TS]

  have to get the plan that's all [TS]

  pipedream we need to kill this guy [TS]

  because we don't kill this guy they're [TS]

  gonna build a super weapon which is [TS]

  wrong but they don't know it but that's [TS]

  that's the futility of their mission [TS]

  that's that I think it fits into his [TS]

  like following artist type of thing that [TS]

  it should be further emphasized that he [TS]

  is blindly following orders and in this [TS]

  case with the audience know these orders [TS]

  are stupid and like education said they [TS]

  should just go get those but we know [TS]

  that because we know how the next movie [TS]

  goes and we know they should be getting [TS]

  the plans but if I i think that would [TS]

  fit better if they really emphasize the [TS]

  idea that they really emphasize the [TS]

  futility of this mission and that would [TS]

  make us feel better when things circle [TS]

  back around and they finally go on the [TS]

  mission that we know they need to go on [TS]

  and if you have to have almost character [TS]

  ones happen i'm not sure where you get [TS]

  all those characters to come together if [TS]

  not in a in a third location then [TS]

  honestly I really like the x-wings [TS]

  flying through a range valleys at night [TS]

  so I get a lot of lovely way again not [TS]

  not not a plot reason just cool well but [TS]

  lazy you have to kill him right so let's [TS]

  plot plot reason is killing you got to [TS]

  get him off the table he can't be alive [TS]

  at the end of the movie for some reunion [TS]

  is gonna be a reason it's not funny it's [TS]

  gonna be the best care for something [TS]

  yeah but he could've been one of the [TS]

  simple reason is he could have been on [TS]

  the Death Star [TS]

  yeah it well but the thing is it's scary [TS]

  she's a loose [TS]

  I'm okay with him already being killed [TS]

  like I would have been okay with credit [TS]

  already target or somebody killing him [TS]

  because right because he leaked the [TS]

  pilot or something like that you have to [TS]

  have an outdoor choose not to kill him [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah i think i'm coming around on [TS]

  actually i was down there and I feel [TS]

  like now hearing hearing hearing you [TS]

  talk about it and they need them you [TS]

  know I refer to it as a side mission but [TS]

  it's like they need the little mission [TS]

  where they come together i mean because [TS]

  just escaping jetta apparently that's [TS]

  not enough they need to be they need to [TS]

  be a team they need to be forged in the [TS]

  fire of this little mini mission before [TS]

  they can feel committed to go on the [TS]

  date range of many missions where they [TS]

  also don't work together as a team as [TS]

  like you stay at the ship but she [TS]

  disobeys and she's like that's how they [TS]

  have to come together [TS]

  I'm gonna park the ship everybody stay [TS]

  here I'll be back and everybody leaves [TS]

  the ship at once [TS]

  yeah that's exactly what she did with [TS]

  her you know that's that's our family [TS]

  think of it the first time the movie was [TS]

  like okay you stay here [TS]

  the mom doesn't stay and you know it is [TS]

  the daughter like it's the family they [TS]

  don't follow that with instructions [TS]

  yes i would just stay put but that's [TS]

  what brings them together like [TS]

  eventually that that you know that that [TS]

  all goes disastrously wrong and what [TS]

  nobody wants to happen is what happens [TS]

  like he was supposed to go there to kill [TS]

  Whelan any chooses not to then [TS]

  calculates killed anyone so Jin said did [TS]

  her dad was scaled like is it all goes [TS]

  to crap but out of that comes their [TS]

  understanding that they're going to work [TS]

  together and their their plan on scarify [TS]

  thought was a pretty good plan explained [TS]

  yeah perhaps little laborious Lee but [TS]

  executed well and again geography wise [TS]

  you could see their little you know make [TS]

  ten men seem like a hundred you could [TS]

  end and seeing it's fun to see chronic [TS]

  getting flustered when like yeah it [TS]

  looks out the window and it does look [TS]

  like they're in a bad situation we know [TS]

  it's just these all got these guys you [TS]

  know they had they had a good plan they [TS]

  executed pretty well [TS]

  it killed all of them you know the [TS]

  garrison it its rights all that is good [TS]

  if I had if I had any gentle complained [TS]

  about the stuff on scared because i do [TS]

  think that it is really executed pretty [TS]

  well is that I kind of was hoping that [TS]

  the data bank thing would have been a [TS]

  little more [TS]

  our heist e then it was yeah that the [TS]

  the distraction outside was great but on [TS]

  the inside it in there wasn't a whole [TS]

  lot of excitement they sort of like go [TS]

  into a room and and their droid it [TS]

  punches at a computer and they figure it [TS]

  out and I I was kinda hoping that they [TS]

  would have some more like razzle-dazzle [TS]

  at the base of events you want to see [TS]

  these people walking their climate [TS]

  events yes well I don't know where was I [TS]

  think a gadget they have to do that does [TS]

  a thing that doesn't it is without event [TS]

  yeah this is the worst movie I've ever [TS]

  seen with the distraction actually works [TS]

  perfect [TS]

  that's true for point of the guards run [TS]

  out of the building immediately [TS]

  mission accomplished that was the great [TS]

  thing about their plan they knew they [TS]

  would come out and so by the time they [TS]

  come out every single person in there in [TS]

  there are sort of distraction team is [TS]

  waiting with their guns pointed at one [TS]

  door that's going to open their know [TS]

  they're nowhere else to be found was [TS]

  almost time charges i did laugh at the [TS]

  there's a scene where they he asked the [TS]

  pilot to go up connect them to the [TS]

  transmitter and he gets the cord and the [TS]

  courts to short and he runs and kind of [TS]

  like goes Boing and gets it but he's [TS]

  like yeah you know chords are never long [TS]

  enough he added brain sucked out by a [TS]

  magic octopus he's still not there was [TS]

  another thing that was me I'd walk out [TS]

  the measured value place usually is just [TS]

  it was unnecessary is that to explain to [TS]

  me and is a sound wacky because he [TS]

  wasn't that wacky well no i think i got [TS]

  it i think it was it was a short hand [TS]

  wave to show that saw Herrera means [TS]

  business and his paranoid and you know [TS]

  hardliner but I feel like we get the [TS]

  heart we get it from his his operatives [TS]

  you know bombing people in the [TS]

  marketplace I don't think we need to see [TS]

  him being crazy and hyper paranoid [TS]

  because it doesn't serve the story in [TS]

  any way [TS]

  no well you would have to change what i [TS]

  thought was going to happen is that [TS]

  character the Imperial pilot whatever [TS]

  his name is that after his experience [TS]

  with the tentacle thing and being sort [TS]

  of catatonic and I think that for the [TS]

  rest of the movie would be a character [TS]

  who seems not right in the head for the [TS]

  whole rest of the movie but he was a [TS]

  scam added and and was the character [TS]

  that he was before so if you're gonna do [TS]

  that [TS]

  what's the point like was that could be [TS]

  a valid way to go that he is he is the [TS]

  member of your team [TS]

  you're not quite sure is [TS]

  got it all together and is not [TS]

  particularly reliable but every once in [TS]

  a while like his competence shines [TS]

  through like that's that's a good [TS]

  character to do they didn't do that and [TS]

  so if you're not going to do that I [TS]

  don't need to see the tentacle beasts [TS]

  they didn't do it well but I think he's [TS]

  also like he is the easy to defector [TS]

  from the Imperial right like he is [TS]

  somebody who had bought into the Empire [TS]

  and has has changed his life and toning [TS]

  or something and so he has to be that I [TS]

  mean I think that didn't get played up [TS]

  really at all [TS]

  I mean there's a little bit where you [TS]

  know he gets kind of beat-up by soccer's [TS]

  group when he is thinks he's defected [TS]

  and they talk about we captured means [TS]

  like no I can be you but it gets it gets [TS]

  lost in the shuffle because it felt like [TS]

  there's a version of this works like we [TS]

  want to show you the different like [TS]

  flavors of who ends up in the rebellion [TS]

  right you know Jen who saw her parents [TS]

  get killed by the Empire basically and [TS]

  you know these this this monk and these [TS]

  other assassins and whatnot and then [TS]

  this person who was actually like an [TS]

  imperial and has defected but it gets [TS]

  that there's not time to tell me a story [TS]

  well the thing is they spend a lot of [TS]

  time and that's why i keep going back to [TS]

  civil war like the amount of time he [TS]

  gets the number of lines you get the [TS]

  scenes he gets the things he does it's [TS]

  plenty of time to establish all this [TS]

  they did but they they spend their their [TS]

  their feet of you know footage as if [TS]

  they have more time than they do they [TS]

  have a you think they give so much time [TS]

  of his capture and the whole thing [TS]

  whatever that we need 18 of that to [TS]

  understand that same thing with the [TS]

  tentacle piece like you can establish [TS]

  that point without the luxury of these [TS]

  long drawn-out scenes which again many [TS]

  of them are beautifully shopper but then [TS]

  you would then after they spent all that [TS]

  footage now you don't have time now [TS]

  you've spent all your time there was [TS]

  plenty of time there [TS]

  you need a bony Brooke origin story [TS]

  movie where we see him working as a [TS]

  general pilot finding out how awful his [TS]

  bosses what I got out of it here's what [TS]

  I here's my headcanon for this has [TS]

  hinted at by a few lines here and there [TS]

  gets all I've got the gun in the movie [TS]

  is that he Galen befriended him [TS]

  and this pilot started to confide in [TS]

  Galen that he wasn't feeling so good [TS]

  about some of the things that he done [TS]

  and because we know gallon is secretly [TS]

  against the Empire the whole time he's [TS]

  there was a sympathetic ear and [TS]

  eventually like they came together [TS]

  realize you know that like the gallon [TS]

  not that again turned him but that he [TS]

  was he recruited him to to defect [TS]

  essentially by being the the shoulder to [TS]

  cry on the person listen to about his [TS]

  problems and eventually was convinced to [TS]

  help him in his mission and that's [TS]

  that's the story of this person that he [TS]

  is he's making up for his sins of the [TS]

  past and that's that's my headcanon for [TS]

  what why did he change his mind why did [TS]

  he defect [TS]

  it's hard when it's like what are his [TS]

  sins though because we like he said he's [TS]

  a bus driver in space i am now Busta [TS]

  Imperial bus drivers are killing people [TS]

  all the time just not like an assassin [TS]

  evil buses they were evil buses Tony I [TS]

  thought they were spooky full of evil [TS]

  people give us [TS]

  yeah i mean even if you just shipping [TS]

  things off of the planet where you know [TS]

  the people are being oppressed killed if [TS]

  they do before we take all these [TS]

  Christmas out of me can someone go [TS]

  through and colleges jedi-like and then [TS]

  you're just waiting in the bus idling [TS]

  for the love the crystals you still feel [TS]

  like they're killing the you know [TS]

  everybody in the town like it is there [TS]

  is this nice thing where it's like we [TS]

  literally take the things that power the [TS]

  jedis lightsabers and use them to build [TS]

  this weapon that we will destroy the [TS]

  Jedi Temple with ya although I uses them [TS]

  as fuel not as I'd like using this tool [TS]

  like that's a totally an imperial thing [TS]

  to do it like that so wasteful like that [TS]

  they don't they don't get used up in the [TS]

  lightsabers they just sit there but [TS]

  you're gonna use that like I could [TS]

  picture then grinding them up and like [TS]

  this this paste and then just putting [TS]

  into the big bats and let you fire once [TS]

  they're all empty and it's like well [TS]

  mark I've crystals they're focusing [TS]

  crystals they're not they're not fuel [TS]

  that's it's a giant focusing crystal [TS]

  that they're trying to like meld kybers [TS]

  together and make it [TS]

  no no it's horrible for the environment [TS]

  though in the movie they said it was [TS]

  fuel which didn't make sense to me i'm [TS]

  glad the novelization clarified this is [TS]

  what imagine trying to place a [TS]

  lightsaber except now make the crystal [TS]

  300 times bigger and try to make it fire [TS]

  a weapon of it and the more i think [TS]

  about gallant like I like that actor and [TS]

  you mad about mad star mad about Matt's [TS]

  always so yeah [TS]

  a mad about mad gotta love that [TS]

  reference acknowledge the fact that he [TS]

  realized that his realization is that he [TS]

  he was smart enough to know before they [TS]

  did that they can accomplish it without [TS]

  him but he knows they're gonna do it [TS]

  anyway and that's why he has to go back [TS]

  I thought that was all all very clever [TS]

  and so well done and that they did spend [TS]

  a lot of time on that and i think that [TS]

  was mostly like the whole beginning of [TS]

  the movie spools out a little bit slowly [TS]

  in the kind of same way of trying to [TS]

  establish James backstory in the same [TS]

  way that they established ray by letting [TS]

  us see what day and life is like to get [TS]

  to know who she was an establishment [TS]

  gallon and in that respect it's kinda [TS]

  disappointing that we don't get to see [TS]

  gallon again until his death scene and [TS]

  then one flashback yeah I think he what [TS]

  is a really interesting character and [TS]

  they just don't have time is so many [TS]

  characters if there is too much that's [TS]

  why I wish that he had been somewhere [TS]

  like on the death star because i think [TS]

  that seeing him interact sort of like at [TS]

  the workplace and not just as often a [TS]

  brainy place where they keep scientists [TS]

  that that might have been more [TS]

  interesting way to see sort of what he [TS]

  was up to but alas we don't get too [TS]

  that's not what we have to say I likely [TS]

  killed all that has killed his whole [TS]

  team of scientists because he was angry [TS]

  like he didn't need to kill them it [TS]

  wasn't a lesson for anybody [TS]

  he just he didn't want to kill his [TS]

  friend and you need to put together his [TS]

  anger out of his system and they were [TS]

  they were done with these scientists [TS]

  anyway so I'm really impressed that they [TS]

  got that new duck death start time for [TS]

  Jedi when they killed all the engineers [TS]

  and blew up the base with head of the [TS]

  bands yeah well they have that the bug [TS]

  planet i still have some backups we [TS]

  should have gone there so the heavily [TS]

  defended library beach planet then let's [TS]

  not go back there please no there's [TS]

  nowhere to returning to the anything [TS]

  from the prequels they would have to [TS]

  play that Mary level again with the [TS]

  conductor help [TS]

  alright uh we'll go around one last time [TS]

  and I mean I'm interested in hearing [TS]

  from all of you [TS]

  the thing you liked the most about rogue [TS]

  one serenity I appreciate that it was a [TS]

  film that wasn't afraid in terms of the [TS]

  drastic nature of the rebellion i'm [TS]

  especially in context with some [TS]

  real-world events [TS]

  I'm it's like watching watching the [TS]

  scenes of jetta so soon after the final [TS]

  sort of showdowns going on in Aleppo [TS]

  right now had a very realistic feel [TS]

  about civil factions warring I'm as did [TS]

  some of the other battles and I calling [TS]

  to mind guerrilla warfare and it's it's [TS]

  interesting to see a film that I urs [TS]

  film series that i normally think of as [TS]

  escapism really kind of dive into [TS]

  playing with not just you know very real [TS]

  subjects but pulling them off [TS]

  effectively and while i completely agree [TS]

  that like little bits of this film [TS]

  didn't work i think the core message I [TS]

  comes through very effectively and they [TS]

  they picked some damn good actors to [TS]

  make it work [TS]

  Monty what about you like Ren what I [TS]

  liked was the stakes specifically that [TS]

  they were actually willing in what is [TS]

  basically a kids movie franchise to kill [TS]

  everybody yeah and not just kill them [TS]

  off screen show each of the main [TS]

  characters who we have come to like and [TS]

  ideally love just died in front of us [TS]

  that was such a big move for me I i feel [TS]

  like i had this like emotional arc win [TS]

  like you know k2 dies and i was like oh [TS]

  that's sad but I feel like this is kind [TS]

  of a cop-out is your to have the robot [TS]

  get killed and maybe he'll be okay later [TS]

  because he's a robot and then when the [TS]

  body dies when the teardrop ship but [TS]

  they're gonna escape and blows up it's [TS]

  like oh maybe none of them are getting [TS]

  out of this right and and then and then [TS]

  seeing that realized I was not I was not [TS]

  prepared for that I guess we're [TS]

  expecting that and that was that was [TS]

  really affecting there's a moment when [TS]

  they was when the shield goes up where I [TS]

  think in the tower [TS]

  Jen Cashin are talking and and said no [TS]

  words that mean it's basically we're not [TS]

  getting out of here and i thought [TS]

  they're all gonna die [TS]

  that's it like I thought they probably [TS]

  were all going to die or I I think I [TS]

  thought most of them were going to die [TS]

  and then when that happened I was like [TS]

  oh no that said that this this is [TS]

  they're all going to die [TS]

  I thought they wanted you to think that [TS]

  and then there's still there be some [TS]

  friendly drop ship waiting for them [TS]

  when they you know when they were [TS]

  resigned to do you know I mean kind of [TS]

  like Jenna you know she's on the season [TS]

  like that on the on the catwalk and and [TS]

  it looks like chronic is gonna get her [TS]

  casket shows up even though we thought [TS]

  for sure he was dead [TS]

  somebody else is gonna pull up in there [TS]

  drop ship to be like need a ride [TS]

  it's like know those people are dead he [TS]

  was laying on a metal rack that means [TS]

  he's dead [TS]

  what do you mean he's laying down it [TS]

  sounded like he had a lot of things [TS]

  tony do you have a favorite thing I you [TS]

  know I just like that this was a war [TS]

  movie set in the star wars universe and [TS]

  it had a lot of the things the fields [TS]

  that i really like from clone wars and [TS]

  rebels which are shows that i enjoy i [TS]

  mean clone wars is a little bit [TS]

  sometimes more hit-or-miss there's parts [TS]

  of course i do not care for rebels and [TS]

  protect Charlotte on [TS]

  yeah one of my friends put together a [TS]

  really great watch list that I think [TS]

  spares you all but what there's one [TS]

  charger episode that's like important to [TS]

  the metal plot and it's in there and [TS]

  it's just like there's a lot of charger [TS]

  that that person left off the list [TS]

  because yeah that this this had a lot of [TS]

  the things that I like about that about [TS]

  seeing what the rebellions like and what [TS]

  life is like in this universe and you [TS]

  know what things are like when there's [TS]

  not a general and every street corner [TS]

  warning you about the dangers of [TS]

  domestics just looking out for your [TS]

  health [TS]

  yeah John what about you Lamont against [TS]

  all mine [TS]

  I I like movies that are gritty and [TS]

  desperate and the characters in them are [TS]

  just like one bad thing happens after [TS]

  another and they're fighting the good [TS]

  fight but it at every turn they are [TS]

  thwarted and things go badly and just [TS]

  keep going badly damaged but it's one of [TS]

  the reasons i like Empire because that [TS]

  happens to our heroes for basically the [TS]

  whole movie every one of their victories [TS]

  leads to an even larger defeat at and [TS]

  because a new hope follows this I wanted [TS]

  this movie to be like why do you need a [TS]

  new hope because everything went to crap [TS]

  in this movie and the only thing you [TS]

  have the one glimmer of hope that you [TS]

  have at the end of this is that you know [TS]

  everything about as badly as it can be [TS]

  except that technically we did [TS]

  accomplish our mission at tremendous [TS]

  cost and I wanted to see that cost up on [TS]

  the screen and I [TS]

  to feel it so that i could feel hopeful [TS]

  for the lead into a new hope and that [TS]

  was definitely my favorite thing about [TS]

  this movie but because might be stolen [TS]

  i'm gonna have a second one which i [TS]

  mentioned before i really i really liked [TS]

  how this movie was shot i really i [TS]

  really liked how the human actors looked [TS]

  in the plate in the sets where they were [TS]

  whether it was with a fake cg thing [TS]

  through a spaceship window behind them [TS]

  or on a real beach or on a sound stage [TS]

  with a rain machine above them [TS]

  I don't care where they are whatever how [TS]

  they did it I thought all the scenes [TS]

  looked beautiful but the actors look [TS]

  beautiful in the scenes so much better [TS]

  than the lines they were delivering and [TS]

  the plot points that they were just [TS]

  missing off center and so when I think [TS]

  about this movie in my head I see it as [TS]

  as pictures and as a feeling and the [TS]

  more I get down to the details the more [TS]

  I start to think about things that I [TS]

  might have switched around but yeah [TS]

  that's that's my that's my backup [TS]

  favorite pic if it is a draft for [TS]

  favorite nights it's not a draft you get [TS]

  you get both the well played anyway i'm [TS]

  talking about the one that you're not [TS]

  picking that's always good way to [TS]

  proceed time-tested what I'm going to [TS]

  say is my favorite I mean I said earlier [TS]

  i'm just going to repeat it which is k2s [TS]

  oh that is a funny droid and it's a [TS]

  funny droid in a weird sarcastic dark [TS]

  there's a lot of my HK for HK 47 mixed [TS]

  in there is a fan favorite from the [TS]

  extended version yeah it's it's good i [TS]

  like i like i like that character a lot [TS]

  and that he's fast me pops people on the [TS]

  head and he not going to kill you [TS]

  because he was told not to he doesn't [TS]

  have an inner monologue is inner [TS]

  monologue external that's the better way [TS]

  for Italy they took out his filter when [TS]

  they reprogrammed him he's an Imperial [TS]

  Droid so he's he's kind of evil but he's [TS]

  been programmed not to be evil but he's [TS]

  still kind of unpleasant and it's great [TS]

  so that's a thumbs up and I like it I [TS]

  like the decade the design of that [TS]

  character too so yeah alright well rub [TS]

  one it's a Star Wars movie everybody we [TS]

  will we are sorry service story told in [TS]

  movie form I i suspect [TS]

  that a small team of rebel striking from [TS]

  a hidden base may have another episode [TS]

  of the incomparable to say about this at [TS]

  a later time perhaps more than one I [TS]

  don't even know but I feel good about [TS]

  having a couple of hours to chat about [TS]

  the road one the day after with the with [TS]

  with you all [TS]

  so it's been it's been good let me thank [TS]

  my guests before we go Monty Ashley [TS]

  thanks for being here [TS]

  uh the forces with me yes i think i have [TS]

  to say i was waiting for the moment [TS]

  where we're done en becomes a force [TS]

  coast at the end magically like yes [TS]

  right what your prayers Ranger to be a [TS]

  force ghost this guy does [TS]

  oh I won't shut up about the force all [TS]

  right serenity called well thank you so [TS]

  much [TS]

  absolutely glad to be here I don't have [TS]

  a good quote [TS]

  that's fine the force will be with you [TS]

  always Tony similar thank you for being [TS]

  here too [TS]

  I'm one with the force you are and John [TS]

  siracusa thank you can't wait to find [TS]

  out who built the floor to the second [TS]

  death star that was just working on the [TS]

  same plan it turns out when you kill off [TS]

  two generations of all your super [TS]

  scientists and engineers you're left [TS]

  with a blindly follow the plan to see [TS]

  students the see students from imperial [TS]

  university as they never unfolded the [TS]

  blueprints to see that they should have [TS]

  built an entire sphere and thanks to [TS]

  everybody again for listening to this [TS]

  episode of the uncomfortable I'm sure [TS]

  there will be more about road one in the [TS]

  days to come [TS]

  but for now I thank you goodnight [TS]