The Incomparable

331: I Refuse To Call It a Prequel


00:00:00   the uncomfortable number 231 December [TS]

00:00:09   [Music] [TS]

00:00:12   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:13   uncomfortable it is time for us to [TS]

00:00:15   discuss road one a Star Wars spin-off [TS]

00:00:19   type story that was released December 16 [TS]

00:00:25   which is when we're recording this well [TS]

00:00:27   at least I mean except now you can see [TS]

00:00:29   it like in the late afternoon the day [TS]

00:00:30   before but anyway we have seen it and [TS]

00:00:33   we're going to talk about it so I'm [TS]

00:00:35   joined by fine panel who is going to [TS]

00:00:37   help me with our quick reactions to a [TS]

00:00:41   movie we've i think probably only seen [TS]

00:00:43   once [TS]

00:00:44   well let me know if you see more than [TS]

00:00:46   once and just yesterday so you know [TS]

00:00:51   definitely first impressions here i am [TS]

00:00:54   joined by the following fine people as [TS]

00:00:56   with almost every star wars conversation [TS]

00:00:59   i have i'm joined by serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:01   hello hello I'm glad to be here and a [TS]

00:01:05   little emotionally unstable after [TS]

00:01:07   watching the movie [TS]

00:01:09   sometimes i just have random [TS]

00:01:10   conversations with people about star [TS]

00:01:11   wars have to call you to get you [TS]

00:01:12   involved in it because i don't have [TS]

00:01:13   conversations about star without you or [TS]

00:01:16   without John siracusa hello [TS]

00:01:18   you know I've analyzed this podcast [TS]

00:01:19   Jason and there is a danger should have [TS]

00:01:21   your ship standing by [TS]

00:01:22   i'm also joined not by the another [TS]

00:01:24   person I would usually have here is Dan [TS]

00:01:26   morning but he's traveling and so it's [TS]

00:01:28   taken two men to replace him [TS]

00:01:30   Monty ashley is here hello sorry I'm not [TS]

00:01:33   dead boring and Tony sindelar Allison [TS]

00:01:39   that i will be replaced with dan Warren [TS]

00:01:40   vset I had that kind of ghostly horrible [TS]

00:01:43   way that's just a random besides that's [TS]

00:01:47   just straight yes it seems a little bit [TS]

00:01:49   strange [TS]

00:01:50   [Music] [TS]

00:01:54   before we dive into the details of this [TS]

00:01:58   I i thought i would see about getting a [TS]

00:02:00   little bit of an overview an opening [TS]

00:02:02   statement if you will but I an overview [TS]

00:02:04   about about your general impressions of [TS]

00:02:06   the movie when you walked out of the out [TS]

00:02:07   of the theater i'm kind of curious [TS]

00:02:09   I'll go first with mine which is to say [TS]

00:02:12   that I enjoyed it a lot i found that [TS]

00:02:15   there are a bunch of things in it worth [TS]

00:02:17   criticizing because i don't think it was [TS]

00:02:18   a perfect movie by a long shot i would [TS]

00:02:20   say that it was a solid movie with some [TS]

00:02:22   things that I have issues about but one [TS]

00:02:24   of the things that I thought as I was [TS]

00:02:25   walking out of the theater was it's [TS]

00:02:27   really nice to be at the point where my [TS]

00:02:29   expectations for Star Wars movies are so [TS]

00:02:31   high and that I feel that the franchise [TS]

00:02:34   is on such sort of legitimate creative [TS]

00:02:38   ground that it is worthy of criticism [TS]

00:02:41   that is not just kind of moaning and [TS]

00:02:43   projectile vomiting so you know it's [TS]

00:02:47   it's that I mean really like I i think [TS]

00:02:51   this is this is a substantial and [TS]

00:02:53   interesting and ambitious movie and [TS]

00:02:55   while I have some problems with it it's [TS]

00:02:57   like you know it's not like a like I you [TS]

00:03:00   can say i have problems with the [TS]

00:03:02   prequels but boy if that is a real [TS]

00:03:06   understatement anyway that's that sort [TS]

00:03:07   of my feeling about this is that i liked [TS]

00:03:09   it but I do have some issues that i [TS]

00:03:10   would like to get into about it too [TS]

00:03:12   because I i don't i don't have the I [TS]

00:03:14   don't think of it as highly as I i [TS]

00:03:16   thought the force awakens when I walked [TS]

00:03:17   out of that for the first time I put it [TS]

00:03:19   that way [TS]

00:03:20   other thoughts ran what was your what [TS]

00:03:22   was your take walking out of here [TS]

00:03:23   yeah I feel very similarly this is a [TS]

00:03:26   Star Wars movie and it is or rather it's [TS]

00:03:28   a movie in the store wars canon but it [TS]

00:03:30   is not a star wars movie the way that [TS]

00:03:33   force awakens was or the original [TS]

00:03:35   trilogy wear it in some ways doesn't [TS]

00:03:37   have the same i didn't have the same [TS]

00:03:40   kind of like oh my god it has to be on [TS]

00:03:42   this level and instantly iconic or it [TS]

00:03:45   will be forever tarnished in the gates [TS]

00:03:47   of Hell or something [TS]

00:03:48   I'm no I walked out of that really a [TS]

00:03:53   little bit emotionally or rot in and [TS]

00:03:56   hurting but also appreciative of what [TS]

00:04:01   the filmmakers were trying to do and I [TS]

00:04:04   and like you said I i don't think that [TS]

00:04:05   everything in there [TS]

00:04:07   was a grand slammer a success but i [TS]

00:04:10   think it was a solid movie it's a much [TS]

00:04:13   it reminded me a lot of trying to put a [TS]

00:04:19   I star or like the first the first [TS]

00:04:23   successful star wars movie to put a star [TS]

00:04:26   wars book on screen it felt it felt very [TS]

00:04:29   much like the realization of what we all [TS]

00:04:33   kind of imagined that the star wars [TS]

00:04:35   sequels would be once upon a time like [TS]

00:04:37   the oh they're just gonna film the EU [TS]

00:04:39   and things go from there [TS]

00:04:42   I but I I'm really happy with with the [TS]

00:04:47   product that they ended up putting [TS]

00:04:49   together [TS]

00:04:50   Monty what are your what you know what [TS]

00:04:52   were your first thoughts about this film [TS]

00:04:54   when you're walking out of the theater I [TS]

00:04:56   cared more about what was going to [TS]

00:04:58   happen to the characters in this movie [TS]

00:05:00   then I have for a long time in Star Wars [TS]

00:05:05   movies or media and I think that's [TS]

00:05:07   because I literally didn't know what was [TS]

00:05:09   going to happen to them in the prequels [TS]

00:05:12   I going in with a pretty good idea where [TS]

00:05:15   obi-wan and Anakin are going to end up [TS]

00:05:17   in the force awakens there was a big [TS]

00:05:21   twist towards the end that came as a [TS]

00:05:23   surprise but not that big a surprise and [TS]

00:05:25   even then it just happened here there [TS]

00:05:29   was way more for me anyway [TS]

00:05:31   suspense and tension and worry about you [TS]

00:05:35   know is she going to be okay what's [TS]

00:05:37   going to happen and I found that really [TS]

00:05:40   refreshing because we're not part as Ron [TS]

00:05:43   said we're not part of the big saga were [TS]

00:05:46   off in a corner were it's a different [TS]

00:05:48   genre of movie and that means the old [TS]

00:05:51   rules don't apply right [TS]

00:05:53   we almost got through a movie with no [TS]

00:05:55   one having a bad feeling about anything [TS]

00:05:57   he was cut off right [TS]

00:05:59   yeah don't shut up Tony what about you I [TS]

00:06:01   think I came out of it feeling really [TS]

00:06:03   good about it I am uh honored and a [TS]

00:06:06   horrible person so I think the first [TS]

00:06:07   thing I did was like here's the list of [TS]

00:06:09   the think six things I don't like about [TS]

00:06:10   this movie sure which is you know maybe [TS]

00:06:13   not the opposite of a positive way to [TS]

00:06:15   approach it but I guess it's like these [TS]

00:06:17   are the six things i do not like because [TS]

00:06:18   the rest of it I did [TS]

00:06:19   really like and that was really great [TS]

00:06:21   and fun and exciting and you know this [TS]

00:06:23   is not a short movie but I was never [TS]

00:06:24   bored during it [TS]

00:06:26   I was and I was also i was sitting in [TS]

00:06:29   the second row love the movie theater [TS]

00:06:31   which almost never do and I was like [TS]

00:06:33   this may be unpleasant and maybe I'm [TS]

00:06:34   gonna want to see this again right away [TS]

00:06:36   because this experience sitting in the [TS]

00:06:38   second row will be so awful but it was [TS]

00:06:40   great and I had a lot of fun and I [TS]

00:06:42   enjoyed it and yes hours [TS]

00:06:44   Star Wars John what about you what were [TS]

00:06:47   your thoughts coming out of the theater [TS]

00:06:48   I i avoid spoilers pretty well i watch [TS]

00:06:51   the teaser and we will talk more about [TS]

00:06:52   that later probably but out but what it [TS]

00:06:55   means is that i didn't know the story to [TS]

00:06:56   this movie other than you know how [TS]

00:06:57   they're gonna go to desktop plans and [TS]

00:06:59   they're going to get them because you [TS]

00:07:00   know we saw that and and stars if I see [TS]

00:07:03   the outline of this movie like okay [TS]

00:07:05   we're thinking in this movie it's gonna [TS]

00:07:06   be the movie where they get the desktop [TS]

00:07:07   plans [TS]

00:07:08   here's the outline here is basically [TS]

00:07:09   what happens i would have been like two [TS]

00:07:11   thumbs up [TS]

00:07:12   that sounds like a great idea and i [TS]

00:07:15   still think that like having seen the [TS]

00:07:16   story like this was a good idea for a [TS]

00:07:18   story at you know big and small not just [TS]

00:07:22   they should have like a movie where they [TS]

00:07:24   try to get the Death Star plans but [TS]

00:07:25   every part of it every every every [TS]

00:07:26   character every relationship between the [TS]

00:07:28   character everything that like I think [TS]

00:07:30   it is a well-conceived outline but like [TS]

00:07:34   Tony when I came out of the movies like [TS]

00:07:35   execution-wise how well did you execute [TS]

00:07:38   on that outline and you know how did it [TS]

00:07:41   all hang together i had many quibbles [TS]

00:07:43   with it and I think like Jason will [TS]

00:07:47   probably uh say later i also was hoping [TS]

00:07:50   for this movie to feel more free to [TS]

00:07:53   diverge from the Star Wars movies and it [TS]

00:07:55   definitely did you like read this is a [TS]

00:07:57   chance to not have to be low as Star [TS]

00:07:58   Wars Star Wars movies the chance to do [TS]

00:08:00   something different but my main [TS]

00:08:02   impression was that I really liked the [TS]

00:08:04   story i was always liked the story i was [TS]

00:08:06   excited by the story i'm excited to see [TS]

00:08:09   it again but in many many aspects of the [TS]

00:08:12   execution and and many small details I [TS]

00:08:16   feel like they just they're just a [TS]

00:08:18   little bit off-center this kind of [TS]

00:08:19   missed the mark so I came out of it [TS]

00:08:20   being relieved it wasn't terrible but [TS]

00:08:24   like Jason aight aight i definitely the [TS]

00:08:26   force awakens that we made a bigger [TS]

00:08:27   impression on me before so it was a more [TS]

00:08:29   important movie and [TS]

00:08:31   think the force awakens also a better [TS]

00:08:33   movie but this movie was good and I'm [TS]

00:08:35   looking forward to seeing it again [TS]

00:08:37   yeah best prequel by far the right I [TS]

00:08:39   refuse to call it that haha it did do [TS]

00:08:45   some of the things that I like about the [TS]

00:08:47   cartoons the rails and clone wars shows [TS]

00:08:50   like you can see what's bad about the [TS]

00:08:53   Empire and what people don't like about [TS]

00:08:56   having them control having the Empire [TS]

00:08:58   control their planet [TS]

00:09:00   I mean those shows are about war in a [TS]

00:09:02   way that this movie is and basically [TS]

00:09:04   none of the other stars movies there's a [TS]

00:09:06   scene that was practically the first [TS]

00:09:08   scene of Star Wars rebels yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:09:11   no I mean it's an evil empire and the [TS]

00:09:13   perspective from the saga movies you [TS]

00:09:15   don't always see it on the scale of the [TS]

00:09:18   like the people who live in me and the [TS]

00:09:20   Empire and we get we get some of that in [TS]

00:09:22   row 1 i'm curious i mean something off [TS]

00:09:25   of what John just said you know being a [TS]

00:09:29   star wars III didn't notice at several [TS]

00:09:31   points throughout this like I kept [TS]

00:09:33   asking myself the question is it trying [TS]

00:09:35   too hard to be a star wars movie or is [TS]

00:09:39   it trying too hard to not be a star wars [TS]

00:09:41   movie and I felt like throughout Rhode [TS]

00:09:44   one was not entirely sure what it wanted [TS]

00:09:47   to be now given that this is the first [TS]

00:09:49   of these that they've made that is the [TS]

00:09:52   off-year not part of the continuing [TS]

00:09:54   story line thing that's not surprising [TS]

00:09:56   they I think we're learning as they went [TS]

00:09:59   but it did feel at times like perhaps [TS]

00:10:02   the movie was a little afraid of [TS]

00:10:03   diverging too far from the Star Wars [TS]

00:10:05   brand or sometimes I thought perhaps had [TS]

00:10:08   been pulled back from its original [TS]

00:10:10   intent in order to keep it from [TS]

00:10:12   diverging from the brand and then [TS]

00:10:14   throughout you know I I kept feeling [TS]

00:10:16   that same kind of question of like how [TS]

00:10:19   many references to Star Wars stuff do we [TS]

00:10:21   put in one more than everybody wants [TS]

00:10:23   yeah i mean i I'd say three of my sick [TS]

00:10:26   Squibbles are about that but I i mean i [TS]

00:10:28   think it walks that line pretty well and [TS]

00:10:30   it kinda has to walk that line I think [TS]

00:10:32   in part because the matically it feels [TS]

00:10:34   so different than the other Star Wars [TS]

00:10:35   movies and so it's like we have to [TS]

00:10:37   include all these kind of you know [TS]

00:10:40   potentially annoying fanservice see [TS]

00:10:42   things too like remind you like yeah [TS]

00:10:43   this is still the kind of movie that we [TS]

00:10:45   you want to pay money to be at and [TS]

00:10:47   seeing this is still star wars movie [TS]

00:10:48   even if it's going to feel very [TS]

00:10:50   different in terms of like the tone and [TS]

00:10:52   not spending a lot of time looking at a [TS]

00:10:54   Jedi on on on on in every scene and [TS]

00:10:57   things like that but it's like yeah [TS]

00:10:58   we'll still be blue milk in the you know [TS]

00:11:00   that the settings will still look like [TS]

00:11:01   things in their storm troopers [TS]

00:11:03   everywhere but it did feel a little bit [TS]

00:11:05   like at times it was trying to [TS]

00:11:06   overcompensate for that it's like we [TS]

00:11:07   have to have all the Star Wars props [TS]

00:11:09   scattered around every every set to [TS]

00:11:11   remind you this is still a Star Wars [TS]

00:11:12   movie even though we're telling stories [TS]

00:11:14   that are not about Jedi and feel kind of [TS]

00:11:16   different than the stories that get told [TS]

00:11:18   in the other films at least though in [TS]

00:11:20   the infinite ancillary media somewhere [TS]

00:11:23   all-star smooth stories have been told [TS]

00:11:24   so you think they have to walk that line [TS]

00:11:27   though because like you said I all that [TS]

00:11:28   they have to have this tension between [TS]

00:11:29   the all-new I think the force awakens [TS]

00:11:31   had to walk that line because it's the [TS]

00:11:32   continuing you don't want to be too hard [TS]

00:11:33   like that that's what the force awakens [TS]

00:11:35   how to do this movie was a chance to [TS]

00:11:37   break completely not from like you find [TS]

00:11:40   put a prop in there or whatever but I'm [TS]

00:11:42   saying like I felt the same tension of [TS]

00:11:43   like breaking from like do you have to [TS]

00:11:45   feel like a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:11:47   yeah I mean I guess this does the like [TS]

00:11:48   the tokens and the signposts and the the [TS]

00:11:51   c-3po and r2d2 cameo and the cantina [TS]

00:11:54   creatures cameos whereas force awakens [TS]

00:11:57   is like no we have to have a trench run [TS]

00:11:59   no I don't even mean that like you so so [TS]

00:12:02   removed the way the movie started like I [TS]

00:12:03   thought it got off to such a great start [TS]

00:12:05   because thatthat's the tension all of [TS]

00:12:07   our heads like how was it going to be [TS]

00:12:08   like to watch Star Wars movie that we [TS]

00:12:09   know is like not supposed to be like a [TS]

00:12:11   regular star wars movie and the whole [TS]

00:12:13   thing before I was gonna have a crawl [TS]

00:12:14   whatever totally seem like it wasn't [TS]

00:12:16   gonna have a crawl [TS]

00:12:17   I was surprised to see a long time going [TS]

00:12:19   galaxy far far away i was very surprised [TS]

00:12:21   to see that was like wait a second I [TS]

00:12:22   wrong because I i had been avoiding [TS]

00:12:24   spoilers or anything about it so for all [TS]

00:12:25   i know the entire internet known for six [TS]

00:12:27   months that was going to be a crawl so [TS]

00:12:28   they put that up on the screen like [TS]

00:12:29   point it they can do a crawl and haha no [TS]

00:12:32   they're not they got you like they do a [TS]

00:12:34   little stinger and they come in and what [TS]

00:12:35   do they come in on they come in on a big [TS]

00:12:38   grey triangle coming from the top of the [TS]

00:12:40   screen [TS]

00:12:40   it's not a Star Destroyer it's just a [TS]

00:12:42   great triangle made up of the Rings wish [TS]

00:12:44   of a planet with the shadow going over [TS]

00:12:46   that happens to make a triangle your [TS]

00:12:48   notice that as we swing the camera and [TS]

00:12:49   also that they did like cutting cutting [TS]

00:12:51   to a planet cutting to a big grey [TS]

00:12:53   triangle like they were totally like [TS]

00:12:56   I know that you know that I know that [TS]

00:12:57   you're looking for the thing but I'm [TS]

00:12:59   going to tell you that this is going to [TS]

00:13:00   be different and putting the big words [TS]

00:13:02   up on the screen for the settings and [TS]

00:13:04   everything it was like the movie was [TS]

00:13:05   trying to assert its independence like [TS]

00:13:07   it like a you know a teenager trying to [TS]

00:13:09   show that it's ready to be on its own i [TS]

00:13:10   did not like that [TS]

00:13:11   I hated that it reminded me so much of [TS]

00:13:13   guardians of the galaxy in a way that I [TS]

00:13:16   just really did not appreciate but it [TS]

00:13:19   was not Star Wars dislike it did you [TS]

00:13:20   hate it because it wasn't Star Wars sure [TS]

00:13:22   because you would have hated it in any [TS]

00:13:23   movie [TS]

00:13:23   no I it distant it wasn't necessary [TS]

00:13:26   because in every single scene right [TS]

00:13:29   we're in every scene where they put the [TS]

00:13:33   words up of like this is this you know [TS]

00:13:36   this is jetta they say maybe three [TS]

00:13:40   minutes in [TS]

00:13:41   yeah we're on Jetta Jetta is the last [TS]

00:13:43   you know full of Kyber crystals it's one [TS]

00:13:46   of those it's it's lazy storytelling [TS]

00:13:47   where you don't need to put words up of [TS]

00:13:50   a far-off planet on the galaxy [TS]

00:13:53   especially some of them were just like [TS]

00:13:56   they only have one scene there they [TS]

00:13:57   don't need anything right you never need [TS]

00:13:59   another neighbor but i got i'm not even [TS]

00:14:00   talking specifically about the weather [TS]

00:14:02   the words are there because I agree they [TS]

00:14:03   were they didn't need to be there [TS]

00:14:04   storytelling wise i'm just saying [TS]

00:14:06   stylistically it was such a statement [TS]

00:14:07   that they are going to do things [TS]

00:14:09   differently than Star Wars and you know [TS]

00:14:12   I said the movie starting off of [TS]

00:14:13   supporting those expectations i thought [TS]

00:14:15   okay that's it is really going to go it [TS]

00:14:16   on its own but then it couldn't couldn't [TS]

00:14:19   leave the nest like it wanted to show [TS]

00:14:21   its parents that it was an independent [TS]

00:14:23   adult but really it's still a teenager [TS]

00:14:25   and it would keep circling back to to [TS]

00:14:28   pull in the references and like I mean [TS]

00:14:30   obviously gonna be characters are really [TS]

00:14:32   you know i'm not saying all they can't [TS]

00:14:33   have gotten better in this movie is like [TS]

00:14:34   you know I I'm giving it all that I'm [TS]

00:14:36   saying you don't need to bump into [TS]

00:14:39   what's-his-face wanted a death sentence [TS]

00:14:41   on 12 systems however not need to bump [TS]

00:14:43   into him on the public he has a name i [TS]

00:14:45   actually genuinely likes it [TS]

00:14:47   what does he do just bump into people [TS]

00:14:49   all over the galaxy and if I and say the [TS]

00:14:51   same thing yeah wonder he's wanted men [TS]

00:14:54   yeah he's running a con that's his con [TS]

00:14:55   like he bumps into you and and then his [TS]

00:14:57   partner shakes you down for money right [TS]

00:14:59   it's rice is you just want the other guy [TS]

00:15:00   consultant the butt facing a consultant [TS]

00:15:02   what's-his-name Tony clearly it spawned [TS]

00:15:04   Obama and dr. [TS]

00:15:05   then Elvis's I don't know it'sit's belt [TS]

00:15:08   but he's gonna see it i don't know how [TS]

00:15:10   many syllables are actually in it and I [TS]

00:15:11   think they did most of those pretty well [TS]

00:15:13   I'm just saying like this movie couldn't [TS]

00:15:14   quite break entirely from a but it you [TS]

00:15:17   could see that it wanted to [TS]

00:15:18   stylistically and am you know and I'm [TS]

00:15:21   trying to stop speaking in broad terms [TS]

00:15:22   because i'm going to execution like [TS]

00:15:24   everything runs that is totally true [TS]

00:15:25   like execution-wise like you could have [TS]

00:15:27   in the planning stages the outline and [TS]

00:15:28   we're gonna have words on the screen to [TS]

00:15:30   establish settings and like okay well [TS]

00:15:32   you know that's a stylistic differences [TS]

00:15:33   like you can really set your own for the [TS]

00:15:35   movie but then if you put those words on [TS]

00:15:36   a planet there's only showing one scene [TS]

00:15:38   that you never need to know the name of [TS]

00:15:39   that you're blowing it [TS]

00:15:40   yeah well and also on top of that they [TS]

00:15:42   don't do it for every single planet and [TS]

00:15:44   reckon they specifically don't put the [TS]

00:15:47   the tag on because they don't want to [TS]

00:15:49   give away who you're going to go see on [TS]

00:15:51   the planet and I'm like well well how [TS]

00:15:53   many wanna planets are there [TS]

00:15:55   yeah but it's just it's the principle of [TS]

00:15:57   the thing either you're going to label [TS]

00:15:59   every single planet like Star Trek or [TS]

00:16:01   guardians or net name of science fiction [TS]

00:16:04   picture of the last 30 years or you're [TS]

00:16:06   going to let your audience be smart [TS]

00:16:08   enough to learn about the planets via [TS]

00:16:10   dialogue or realize that the planets are [TS]

00:16:13   actually important to know about unless [TS]

00:16:15   you want to read the candidate you know [TS]

00:16:17   the canonized novels or the visual [TS]

00:16:19   dictionary is so iconic anyway because [TS]

00:16:21   like the reason Star Wars doesn't have [TS]

00:16:23   the label planets is there's a water [TS]

00:16:24   planet business no planets planet like [TS]

00:16:27   they don't need to label them when [TS]

00:16:28   they're so incredibly different it's not [TS]

00:16:30   as people going to get confused like it [TS]

00:16:32   is that scarf or is that most of our can [TS]

00:16:34   I can't tell like Ronnie this is the [TS]

00:16:37   district nine planet this is the blade [TS]

00:16:39   runner planet uh-huh [TS]

00:16:40   this is the rain planet i like that over [TS]

00:16:42   implants my feeling is definitely though [TS]

00:16:44   that that there is this [TS]

00:16:47   yeah just just a little bit of [TS]

00:16:49   tentativeness or like I said thinking [TS]

00:16:50   about you know you would think that they [TS]

00:16:52   would have freedom because this is not a [TS]

00:16:54   saga movie to go to be different but at [TS]

00:16:56   the same time you know you're if you're [TS]

00:16:58   Kathy Kennedy and the other people at [TS]

00:17:00   Lucasfilm you are stewarding an [TS]

00:17:03   incredibly important brand and you don't [TS]

00:17:05   wanna I mean nailing force awakens was [TS]

00:17:08   number one on the agenda but getting [TS]

00:17:10   these movies to work is important and [TS]

00:17:14   you don't want to kind of screw-up Star [TS]

00:17:15   Wars if you can help it and [TS]

00:17:18   and I did have those moments where I [TS]

00:17:19   thought you know I don't know whether [TS]

00:17:21   this is is trying a little too hard to [TS]

00:17:23   to to be star wars or to not be star [TS]

00:17:26   wars III felt a little bit like that [TS]

00:17:29   with the music too although hearing the [TS]

00:17:31   story about how little time Michael [TS]

00:17:32   chiquinho had to write the music i'm not [TS]

00:17:34   sure i can blame him but there are [TS]

00:17:36   several moments early on where there are [TS]

00:17:39   clearly like a call there clearly calls [TS]

00:17:42   to reference John Williams Star Wars [TS]

00:17:45   music and it doesn't happen it comes [TS]

00:17:47   close but it doesn't and then it's weird [TS]

00:17:49   because like the last half of the movie [TS]

00:17:51   he just gives up and is totally [TS]

00:17:53   referencing all the John Wayne stuff and [TS]

00:17:55   I don't really understand that that [TS]

00:17:58   either like why didn't you quoted [TS]

00:18:00   earlier when we really wanted it and now [TS]

00:18:03   you're throwing it in there you know all [TS]

00:18:04   the time during the during the last 30 [TS]

00:18:06   minutes of the movie I I was baffled by [TS]

00:18:08   that too i'm gonna disagree with that [TS]

00:18:10   actually because Jen's theme is pretty [TS]

00:18:13   much an entire subversion of of madalas [TS]

00:18:18   theme of padmé seem from tak of the [TS]

00:18:20   clones and it comes in first five [TS]

00:18:22   minutes of the movie where it's like I [TS]

00:18:24   actually felt like there was a very [TS]

00:18:26   clear undercurrent of gk no score that [TS]

00:18:30   felt it felt like a Star Wars movie it [TS]

00:18:33   felt like it was a star wars score but [TS]

00:18:36   it had an attitude that it was [TS]

00:18:37   distinctly its own [TS]

00:18:38   I don't I for me it did not feel like a [TS]

00:18:40   ripoff of Williams at all or an [TS]

00:18:42   imitation of Williams it felt like we [TS]

00:18:45   were going to live in this universe and [TS]

00:18:46   we're going to play by the musical rules [TS]

00:18:49   of this universe but we are going to [TS]

00:18:51   compose you know things that are [TS]

00:18:53   distinctly for Road one and you have the [TS]

00:18:55   same thing with in sort of the closing [TS]

00:18:58   scenes you have the start of the start [TS]

00:19:02   of the you know what you think is the [TS]

00:19:03   star wars refrain and then it goes [TS]

00:19:05   somewhere else because we're not there [TS]

00:19:06   yet we haven't earned that yet i like [TS]

00:19:09   the music referencing you know god help [TS]

00:19:12   me for saying this but i like them it [TS]

00:19:13   was referencing the prequel music which [TS]

00:19:15   you know i think the music and the [TS]

00:19:16   prequels is one of the few things about [TS]

00:19:18   that whole set of movies that i actually [TS]

00:19:19   like literally you know encore [TS]

00:19:21   uncritically just really like and when [TS]

00:19:24   it was referencing whatever that [TS]

00:19:26   whatever the sad music is from episode 3 [TS]

00:19:28   when [TS]

00:19:29   you can get online and everything [TS]

00:19:30   referencing that later in the movie when [TS]

00:19:33   we're dealing with Vader who is semi-new [TS]

00:19:35   leave a turd right I thought that [TS]

00:19:38   totally worked [TS]

00:19:39   and it's a it's a great feat to make me [TS]

00:19:42   feel a sentimental emotional connection [TS]

00:19:45   to a series of movies that I hate by by [TS]

00:19:48   referencing the music now granted it's [TS]

00:19:49   not the score does not stand out on its [TS]

00:19:51   own and and i think in retrospect the [TS]

00:19:53   force awakens soundtrack has grown in my [TS]

00:19:55   steam over time as I suspected it might [TS]

00:19:57   it's not on that level [TS]

00:20:00   I don't think it has to be but I do [TS]

00:20:02   agree that in the beginning it takes [TS]

00:20:04   awhile to find its footing you don't [TS]

00:20:05   have to just restaurants classic classic [TS]

00:20:07   themes and have standout themes of your [TS]

00:20:09   own to do something with the music but I [TS]

00:20:10   feel like right off the bat from from [TS]

00:20:12   the from the the gag of not having the [TS]

00:20:16   the crawl the music didn't quite know [TS]

00:20:18   where to go until like rancid got into [TS]

00:20:20   character themes and those were ok but [TS]

00:20:22   there was nothing really iconic and the [TS]

00:20:24   only real misstep I think it took other [TS]

00:20:27   than not having its own iconic songs and [TS]

00:20:29   not as not being as self-assured as the [TS]

00:20:31   force awakens again i'll probably [TS]

00:20:32   explained by the change in the composers [TS]

00:20:34   and the time constraints and everything [TS]

00:20:36   is this is one of this is a Tony level [TS]

00:20:38   nickel i would not have a i would not [TS]

00:20:41   have reference the imperial march [TS]

00:20:42   against an empire song and we're not [TS]

00:20:44   even into a new hope yet so don't do [TS]

00:20:46   that how they worried we wouldn't [TS]

00:20:47   recognize Darth Vader oh that's the [TS]

00:20:51   darth vader music yes but it doesn't [TS]

00:20:52   come until later [TS]

00:20:53   music doesn't exist yet yeah although [TS]

00:20:55   the prequels reference it right right [TS]

00:20:57   but they do come after Empire like in [TS]

00:20:59   our timeline you know time you want me [TS]

00:21:01   oh I don't think that's how that works [TS]

00:21:03   but only does it totally does where the [TS]

00:21:05   doctor in the scenario i was happy to [TS]

00:21:07   have the the the Empire march in there [TS]

00:21:10   reference and then very lightly and then [TS]

00:21:13   moved away from I thought that was about [TS]

00:21:16   the right level that i was expecting at [TS]

00:21:19   who didn't toward the end when we be yes [TS]

00:21:21   it is Darth Vader is recognizable at [TS]

00:21:23   that point we know what we're going to [TS]

00:21:24   get there [TS]

00:21:25   I don't know I'm let me let me um oh the [TS]

00:21:29   other thing i want to mention here in [TS]

00:21:30   terms of just talking about this is a [TS]

00:21:31   new anthology movie is this is a you [TS]

00:21:35   know Star Wars take at the Marvel [TS]

00:21:36   approach to moviemaking of having you [TS]

00:21:39   know a franchise that just keeps on [TS]

00:21:40   turning out movies [TS]

00:21:42   with Marvel it's it's more than one year [TS]

00:21:44   they're doing a couple year most years [TS]

00:21:46   sometimes they do three but i think that [TS]

00:21:49   on average that you two movies a year I [TS]

00:21:51   i think the challenge that these that [TS]

00:21:53   this movie had this is not actually the [TS]

00:21:55   challenge for many of these forthcoming [TS]

00:21:57   announced anthology movies but for this [TS]

00:22:00   one is that when one new Marvel movie [TS]

00:22:04   comes out even if it's not a sequel to a [TS]

00:22:05   previous Marvel movie [TS]

00:22:07   it has a recognizable set of characters [TS]

00:22:09   in it it's based on intellectual [TS]

00:22:11   property that's been floating around for [TS]

00:22:12   a long time [TS]

00:22:13   that's had at least some residents with [TS]

00:22:15   people in in in comics if not previous [TS]

00:22:19   versions elsewhere and this you know [TS]

00:22:22   this movie doesn't have that it has to [TS]

00:22:25   establish all of these characters from [TS]

00:22:28   scratch essentially and that's a harder [TS]

00:22:31   job I think them then the job that [TS]

00:22:34   Marvel movie would have to do i do also [TS]

00:22:36   think though that may be one reason why [TS]

00:22:38   some classic there was a little more of [TS]

00:22:41   an emphasis on some classic Star Wars [TS]

00:22:43   stuff getting shuffled in here just to [TS]

00:22:45   make people feel like they got their [TS]

00:22:46   money's worth from a star wars universe [TS]

00:22:48   universe perspective because you know [TS]

00:22:50   it's just it's it's easier to say hey [TS]

00:22:52   it's a movie about dr. strange that is [TS]

00:22:53   to say well this is a movie about gender [TS]

00:22:55   or so and unite and and let you know [TS]

00:22:58   listing all these these characters [TS]

00:22:59   because they're their new that's it's a [TS]

00:23:02   tough job it's not a job that the [TS]

00:23:03   console young solo movie is going to [TS]

00:23:05   have to pull off getting back to what [TS]

00:23:07   you said before about the them being a [TS]

00:23:09   tentative about deciding whether they're [TS]

00:23:11   going to go off on their own or are or [TS]

00:23:14   go whole hog into a new thing I 041 I [TS]

00:23:17   want to give them some credit what I was [TS]

00:23:19   getting at before with the I don't think [TS]

00:23:22   we need to spoil her on this right [TS]

00:23:23   no it's good Lord whole thing is [TS]

00:23:25   spoilered yes yeah what I was getting at [TS]

00:23:27   before with the saying if I'd seen a [TS]

00:23:28   line this movie i would have given it a [TS]

00:23:30   thumbs up is that they did have the [TS]

00:23:32   courage of their convictions to make [TS]

00:23:34   this a story about a desperate mission [TS]

00:23:37   that is essential for the future victory [TS]

00:23:39   in which every participant dies yeah for [TS]

00:23:42   the most part right and so that that's [TS]

00:23:44   the outline and they had the courage to [TS]

00:23:46   do that which is not as many people [TS]

00:23:48   pointing out because Disney owns and is [TS]

00:23:49   not a disney style thing to do [TS]

00:23:51   I don't care whatever it's not even a [TS]

00:23:52   star wars thing to leave set disney [TS]

00:23:54   aside it's not a star wars thing [TS]

00:23:55   you so they had the courage of his [TS]

00:23:57   convictions and let you see the movie [TS]

00:23:59   being tentative and it's a shame because [TS]

00:24:00   in every place where they confidently [TS]

00:24:03   went for what they wanted to do i think [TS]

00:24:05   the execution was better when they [TS]

00:24:07   pulled back like it's like you know [TS]

00:24:09   whatever you're thinking of doing before [TS]

00:24:10   do that because when you do that you [TS]

00:24:13   you're at your best and when you try to [TS]

00:24:15   like you know that you know we'll talk [TS]

00:24:18   about this later maybe now the the [TS]

00:24:19   trailers with all the different lines [TS]

00:24:21   and people are reacting to the the the [TS]

00:24:24   mystery of what was going to happen with [TS]

00:24:27   jenn and her being a tough character who [TS]

00:24:30   was maybe not as likable and a nice [TS]

00:24:33   helpful as the the character that we see [TS]

00:24:35   in the movie are saying I rebell like we [TS]

00:24:38   reacted to that in the trailer because [TS]

00:24:40   that was all we had at the time and I [TS]

00:24:42   think that fits with the tone of the [TS]

00:24:44   movie but instead of having her to be a [TS]

00:24:46   more hopeful character and and you know [TS]

00:24:49   sort of reframing the movie as a [TS]

00:24:52   microsecond less dark visit is pretty [TS]

00:24:56   dark but like you know in the places [TS]

00:24:58   where they didn't seem to have the [TS]

00:24:59   courage of their convictions I think it [TS]

00:25:01   did them a disservice and I should have [TS]

00:25:02   trusted you should trust themselves and [TS]

00:25:05   their audience to go more towards but i [TS]

00:25:08   think the outline lends itself to which [TS]

00:25:11   is a darker more serious movie and I [TS]

00:25:14   like you're saying before Jason they had [TS]

00:25:15   injuries all these characters and that [TS]

00:25:17   is really hard and I think they didn't [TS]

00:25:19   execute very well on that like it's it's [TS]

00:25:21   very difficult how you look at the [TS]

00:25:22   post-dispatch's got 17 faces on it [TS]

00:25:24   we don't know any of those faces you [TS]

00:25:25   have to establish all them and make us [TS]

00:25:27   care about all of them i mean that's [TS]

00:25:29   that's incredibly hard to even the [TS]

00:25:30   original Star Wars like four characters [TS]

00:25:33   they're going to really make you care [TS]

00:25:34   about plus some ancillary fees it's it's [TS]

00:25:36   a tall order i don't think they pulled [TS]

00:25:38   it off so that yet but the degree of [TS]

00:25:41   difficulty of this movie i think is [TS]

00:25:42   higher than it probably should have been [TS]

00:25:44   for the rest and ecology and I think it [TS]

00:25:45   shows an execution but I am happy that [TS]

00:25:48   we're really counted in the story they [TS]

00:25:50   put on the screen [TS]

00:25:51   I you know I think it they did a good [TS]

00:25:54   job [TS]

00:25:55   yeah that was definitely one of my not [TS]

00:25:58   quite complaints coming out of the film [TS]

00:25:59   but one of the things that I noticed the [TS]

00:26:02   most lately is that this film doesn't [TS]

00:26:05   have the charisma that force awakens [TS]

00:26:09   as or that the original trilogies do in [TS]

00:26:11   terms of developing their core group [TS]

00:26:13   right you could arguably say that the [TS]

00:26:16   core members of this story there are [TS]

00:26:19   like 17 people but the the people that [TS]

00:26:21   were supposed to identify with his leads [TS]

00:26:24   are gin Cassian k2 and the two guardians [TS]

00:26:28   of the Wills if you want to add them as [TS]

00:26:30   ancillary and I think they did a decent [TS]

00:26:34   job at flushing them out to the point [TS]

00:26:37   where we want to care about them but [TS]

00:26:40   they missed the mark at turning them [TS]

00:26:43   into more than that where there's a lot [TS]

00:26:46   jen is such a hard character to flesh [TS]

00:26:49   because it's really it's really hard to [TS]

00:26:52   explain PTSD childhood trauma in an hour [TS]

00:26:57   and a half when you also have to you [TS]

00:26:58   know steel Death Star plans but a lot of [TS]

00:27:02   the dialogue I don't know for me it just [TS]

00:27:05   wasn't hitting the way that it needed to [TS]

00:27:07   where there were some lines that that [TS]

00:27:10   resonated but a lot of the early stuff [TS]

00:27:11   especially just felt like we were [TS]

00:27:13   checking off expository boxes or it's [TS]

00:27:16   like oh yeah so where's the where's that [TS]

00:27:19   spy that we need to meet and where are [TS]

00:27:22   we going now and rather than like [TS]

00:27:24   there's not the only person bantering in [TS]

00:27:26   the first third of the movie was [TS]

00:27:28   cheering way and k2 and which wall I [TS]

00:27:31   appreciate it [TS]

00:27:32   I like i wanted to see something between [TS]

00:27:34   Cassie and jen that sets up back 2 & 3 [TS]

00:27:38   yeah i got a huge kick out of turret [TS]

00:27:40   complaining that they were putting a bag [TS]

00:27:42   over the head of a blind yeah that got [TS]

00:27:44   out of it blew that one by making him [TS]

00:27:46   say I'm blind like you don't need the [TS]

00:27:47   last part we get it like that you want [TS]

00:27:49   you want people to do the 12 count and [TS]

00:27:51   figure out why he's saying are you [TS]

00:27:52   kidding me i can edit it but i thought i [TS]

00:27:54   left the way it was yeah I don't have [TS]

00:27:56   that bigger play I mean I'd like here's [TS]

00:27:58   the thing about about that the character [TS]

00:28:00   charm and the dialogue very uneven [TS]

00:28:03   because there were moments where this [TS]

00:28:05   was definitely the force awakens level [TS]

00:28:07   lot of k2's interaction oh we're just [TS]

00:28:09   like the other elevated way about like [TS]

00:28:12   wow this is amazing stuff and then my [TS]

00:28:15   gran said and then there would be people [TS]

00:28:16   explaining plot points mechanically to [TS]

00:28:19   each other and the thing [TS]

00:28:21   they killed me the most about the the [TS]

00:28:24   repeated explaining of who has to do [TS]

00:28:25   what so that we understand what's going [TS]

00:28:26   on which again it's a hard thing to do [TS]

00:28:28   when you have all these moving pieces [TS]

00:28:29   and characters you've got to figure out [TS]

00:28:31   and all these complicated plot like I'm [TS]

00:28:32   not saying it's easy right when movies [TS]

00:28:34   do this well and and the one keeping [TS]

00:28:37   have recently which I know some people [TS]

00:28:39   don't even like this movie but I think [TS]

00:28:40   they'll think you did a really good job [TS]

00:28:41   of having a lot of characters each of [TS]

00:28:44   which has given something with civil war [TS]

00:28:46   captain america civil war granted we [TS]

00:28:47   know all those characters are ready so [TS]

00:28:48   it's a little easier to create the [TS]

00:28:49   difficulty but they had so many [TS]

00:28:51   characters and so many people going [TS]

00:28:52   through their own little miniature [TS]

00:28:53   stories and everyone got two sentences [TS]

00:28:55   to establish something and to make us [TS]

00:28:57   care about them and to think their [TS]

00:28:59   charismatic and to relate to them [TS]

00:29:01   emotionally and they pulled it off [TS]

00:29:02   much much better than they did in this [TS]

00:29:04   movie when i get back anyway I'm the [TS]

00:29:06   thing that really kill me when they have [TS]

00:29:08   these people giving these lines of [TS]

00:29:09   dialogue is that I thought this movie [TS]

00:29:12   the live-action just like the settings [TS]

00:29:14   the way this movie was shot was amazing [TS]

00:29:17   i love how everyone looked wet and dirty [TS]

00:29:19   and tired and everything was dark but [TS]

00:29:21   not too dark like and it killed me these [TS]

00:29:24   beautiful actors these beautiful scenes [TS]

00:29:25   and he's don't like it was so beautiful [TS]

00:29:27   to look at and they're saying she has to [TS]

00:29:29   put slotting into tabby and then i have [TS]

00:29:31   to do the way I got hot like every like [TS]

00:29:33   it just if you just put on you and [TS]

00:29:35   watching you liked this movie is [TS]

00:29:36   beautiful like I was so happy with how [TS]

00:29:38   this movie was shot and so unhappy with [TS]

00:29:42   some of the not bad dialogue but just [TS]

00:29:44   like not sparkling I'll get it [TS]

00:29:47   yeah i think it was hard there's [TS]

00:29:49   definitely like the characters [TS]

00:29:51   definitely do not come across as [TS]

00:29:52   charming and I mean I think a lot about [TS]

00:29:54   Cassian who is kind of your hand solo [TS]

00:30:00   analog here except like basically the [TS]

00:30:02   first thing they do is establish that [TS]

00:30:04   like no this guy is not as I mean he's a [TS]

00:30:07   good guy nominally but he is not a [TS]

00:30:09   smuggler with a heart of gold he shoots [TS]

00:30:10   first yeah I want to talk about that [TS]

00:30:12   when he and he did he does not shoot a [TS]

00:30:14   bounty hunter he shoots like his contact [TS]

00:30:17   information guy who is about who's [TS]

00:30:20   basically inconveniencing him with his [TS]

00:30:21   existence when I was its thing hasn't [TS]

00:30:23   for the rebellion it's not an [TS]

00:30:25   inconvenience is heartless just so weak [TS]

00:30:26   after doing this so long it's like I [TS]

00:30:28   don't shoot this guy is going to get [TS]

00:30:29   captured because i can't save them so [TS]

00:30:30   it's just a quick decision got to get [TS]

00:30:32   rid of them [TS]

00:30:33   that's the second thing that first [TS]

00:30:34   he shoots the stormtroopers first you [TS]

00:30:36   think oh so this is the guy who shoots [TS]

00:30:38   first at oh no this is the guy who [TS]

00:30:40   shoots his allies because he has to [TS]

00:30:41   because their reliability I feel like [TS]

00:30:43   that was actually a direct response to [TS]

00:30:45   people saying how much they wanted hard [TS]

00:30:46   to shoot first yeah so they could show [TS]

00:30:48   him later on decide not to shoot first [TS]

00:30:51   after being lectured about it and then [TS]

00:30:54   we see Tarkin destroy a city of his own [TS]

00:30:56   people [TS]

00:30:57   Susan so they're saying no bad people [TS]

00:31:00   shoot first not bad people like this [TS]

00:31:01   hope the whole movie is there and the [TS]

00:31:03   rebels are in a desperate situation [TS]

00:31:04   series of hard choices and then actually [TS]

00:31:07   like a lot of the rebellion is these [TS]

00:31:09   people who have lived these horrible [TS]

00:31:11   like a press lives and are now like they [TS]

00:31:13   are soldiers they're mercenaries their [TS]

00:31:15   spies and maybe their senses are [TS]

00:31:17   terrorists basically means cause the [TS]

00:31:19   best example they are not Luke Skywalker [TS]

00:31:20   showing up in his white shirt being like [TS]

00:31:22   I'm fresh from the farm looks you know [TS]

00:31:24   like yeah he gets to be that but like [TS]

00:31:25   there's gotta be 50 other people behind [TS]

00:31:27   him who are like yeah I murdered five [TS]

00:31:29   people because they they wiped out my [TS]

00:31:31   family five years ago the important [TS]

00:31:33   character arc of the movie is and/or [TS]

00:31:35   learning that you can't do that [TS]

00:31:38   I i think the pivotal scene is when Jim [TS]

00:31:42   confront him and says you're just [TS]

00:31:43   shooting people because you were told to [TS]

00:31:45   you might as well be a stormtrooper [TS]

00:31:48   yeah that movie is taking position right [TS]

00:31:50   there that if you're the good guy you [TS]

00:31:53   don't do that right writing and she's [TS]

00:31:56   getting that he's getting that lesson [TS]

00:31:57   from her and she's supposed to be this [TS]

00:31:59   you know troublemaker who they've just [TS]

00:32:02   you know recruited because they have to [TS]

00:32:04   because she's related to the person they [TS]

00:32:05   need to to get information about and all [TS]

00:32:08   of that and yet she's the one who's [TS]

00:32:10   saying you you aren't doing you know you [TS]

00:32:12   are doing this right you're not being [TS]

00:32:13   the good guy here but it was model [TS]

00:32:15   though because there was there was that [TS]

00:32:16   message but there was also the overall [TS]

00:32:19   like the rebellion [TS]

00:32:21   I do it for the rebellion and then know [TS]

00:32:23   that the rebellion doesn't have a chance [TS]

00:32:24   in this movie the rebellion like it in a [TS]

00:32:26   new hope you know it's it's the underdog [TS]

00:32:29   versus the overdog in this thing [TS]

00:32:31   the rebels aren't even the underdog they [TS]

00:32:32   don't look like they're in the fight it [TS]

00:32:33   looks like they've lost before it's even [TS]

00:32:35   begun [TS]

00:32:36   they may think they've lost before it's [TS]

00:32:37   been turning on each other never stand [TS]

00:32:39   with factions ranks they're not even [TS]

00:32:41   unified front [TS]

00:32:42   what are they gonna do about the death [TS]

00:32:43   star they don't their intelligence is [TS]

00:32:45   terrible they really don't know what's [TS]

00:32:46   going on they're obsessed with killing [TS]

00:32:48   one but it doesn't even matter and they [TS]

00:32:50   don't know it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:32:50   their intelligence is bad and this movie [TS]

00:32:53   is about like where did the rebellion [TS]

00:32:54   come on there would have been no [TS]

00:32:55   rebellion if not for this one mission [TS]

00:32:57   with robot that this is this is there [TS]

00:32:59   with you know the Empire would have won [TS]

00:33:00   if not for these people and they [TS]

00:33:01   sacrificed themselves in their entirety [TS]

00:33:04   for their own individual personal [TS]

00:33:05   reasons to do this that's one story in a [TS]

00:33:07   separate story is if you're working for [TS]

00:33:09   the rebellion and become as bad as the [TS]

00:33:11   Empire you know you're just the same as [TS]

00:33:12   a storm trooper and I think didn't work [TS]

00:33:14   at cross-purposes but they didn't they [TS]

00:33:15   didn't pick one of them and really [TS]

00:33:16   hammer home which they couldn't because [TS]

00:33:17   you could've had this movie be like well [TS]

00:33:19   the rebels are gonna win anyway the real [TS]

00:33:21   lesson they learned was that you can't [TS]

00:33:23   you can't win at all costs because it [TS]

00:33:24   will cost you you know it will cost you [TS]

00:33:26   everything you're fighting fighting for [TS]

00:33:27   and the other angle would have been you [TS]

00:33:30   have sacrifices necessary and the only [TS]

00:33:33   way for two victories is on you know on [TS]

00:33:35   the backs of tons and tons of dead [TS]

00:33:36   people [TS]

00:33:37   yeah unfortunately endures the only one [TS]

00:33:38   that learned the lesson I like and he [TS]

00:33:41   does not pass it along to anyone [TS]

00:33:42   yeah he got caught up on the other [TS]

00:33:44   lesson which is everybody dies [TS]

00:33:45   yeah well let's talk about the the [TS]

00:33:48   characters a little bit more before we [TS]

00:33:49   go on to talk to the other things that [TS]

00:33:51   were already coming in there [TS]

00:33:53   I think I i mentioned k 2 s.o serenity [TS]

00:33:59   alan tudyk who has played both the pilot [TS]

00:34:01   and a robot in previous films gets to [TS]

00:34:04   play robot pilot in this one typecast [TS]

00:34:07   you know go with what you know he had [TS]

00:34:09   the necessary paperwork [TS]

00:34:12   honestly I think a to SF steals the [TS]

00:34:13   movie had many points and yeah of the [TS]

00:34:16   ten like audience wide laughs in this in [TS]

00:34:19   my screening nine of them were k2s oh so [TS]

00:34:23   the other was seriously I'm blind that [TS]

00:34:25   was the other joke but everything else [TS]

00:34:27   was a k2s o-line that made people laugh [TS]

00:34:30   out loud including me [TS]

00:34:31   alan tudyk stole my stomata and he [TS]

00:34:34   doesn't have any dialogue aside from [TS]

00:34:35   chicken squawks he's very talented very [TS]

00:34:38   good retail job he's a great chicken has [TS]

00:34:40   a great body to get pilot he's the whole [TS]

00:34:42   package money that's what they call a [TS]

00:34:44   triple threat so I like the design of [TS]

00:34:46   the robot i like that are the droid I [TS]

00:34:48   like the I like the eyes like the eyes [TS]

00:34:50   are really expressive yeah and they're [TS]

00:34:53   there are several the physicality of him [TS]

00:34:55   because he's big and fast he runs at one [TS]

00:34:57   point it's really fast he bombed that [TS]

00:35:00   one guy [TS]

00:35:00   the head and it's just hilarious he's so [TS]

00:35:03   much more athletic than the drugs were [TS]

00:35:05   used to seeing right only I mean you got [TS]

00:35:07   the stumpy one from the seventies that [TS]

00:35:08   couldn't be a delay tactic droid [TS]

00:35:10   yeah you've got to get your beer which [TS]

00:35:11   is human shape is you have a person in a [TS]

00:35:13   suit but we're not constrained by those [TS]

00:35:15   things so he is he is more like cat like [TS]

00:35:18   in an agile and big and muscular looking [TS]

00:35:21   and makes really think why did the [TS]

00:35:23   Empire get rid of those like by the time [TS]

00:35:24   you and hope comes around you don't see [TS]

00:35:26   those guys running around so much that [TS]

00:35:27   that's a good design it's because some [TS]

00:35:29   dummy destroyed the city that has all [TS]

00:35:31   their players ya think i need an [TS]

00:35:32   operation black Sabre we can't do that [TS]

00:35:34   anymore target black Sabre got destroyed [TS]

00:35:36   the wisdom of of storing all of your [TS]

00:35:39   files on one although i gotta-i gotta [TS]

00:35:41   head to the the Imperial bureaucrat who [TS]

00:35:46   said okay I'll tell you what I will [TS]

00:35:47   build you your storage archive with all [TS]

00:35:50   the hard drives on it i will do that [TS]

00:35:52   will be my job i will build that but I'm [TS]

00:35:55   going to tell you where we're going to [TS]

00:35:56   build it on a tropical island that's [TS]

00:35:59   where we're going to build and I got [TS]

00:36:00   right fine [TS]

00:36:01   you got a deal dude also all your things [TS]

00:36:03   are going to be do you like bottomless [TS]

00:36:05   chasms because i like bottomless chasm [TS]

00:36:07   like walk away from the railings I like [TS]

00:36:08   bottomless chasm released really really [TS]

00:36:10   d to which they say look at who you're [TS]

00:36:12   talking to [TS]

00:36:12   there's a design spec for the Empire and [TS]

00:36:14   they stick to it looks great you know as [TS]

00:36:17   a style guide yeah he tried to tractor [TS]

00:36:19   beam switch can you put that over a [TS]

00:36:20   really deep chasm I know exactly the [TS]

00:36:22   chasm full of hard drives full of all [TS]

00:36:25   the Imperial data oh I like it I like it [TS]

00:36:27   yeah he said I don't even understand [TS]

00:36:29   where would you keep our dresses not a [TS]

00:36:30   chasm like that just I don't understand [TS]

00:36:32   where we're also they we write exactly [TS]

00:36:34   it they had and they have the cool [TS]

00:36:35   robots to go get them like I I know how [TS]

00:36:37   we can solve this problem will have will [TS]

00:36:39   have a remote-control robot get them [TS]

00:36:40   that you pilot with these little steps [TS]

00:36:42   that sounds fun what are you suggesting [TS]

00:36:43   that they would be like network to each [TS]

00:36:45   other that's not a thing as they have a [TS]

00:36:47   sheet of safety glass between you and [TS]

00:36:49   the chasm I'm like yeah the tour to porn [TS]

00:36:52   jerks on the Death Star that have to [TS]

00:36:53   work in the channel that the the laser [TS]

00:36:57   goes through i always feel bad for the [TS]

00:36:59   is strict instructions to lean away that [TS]

00:37:01   radiation can't be good really but [TS]

00:37:03   they've been in there since the first [TS]

00:37:05   movie and I always feel bad Monty it was [TS]

00:37:07   a long time ago railings hadn't been [TS]

00:37:09   invented yet [TS]

00:37:10   so you mentioned [TS]

00:37:12   the Death Star engineering and galen or [TS]

00:37:15   so genes father played by mads mikkelsen [TS]

00:37:17   and I had that fought as we were [TS]

00:37:20   watching a movie that first off so it [TS]

00:37:22   and not to go too far down the path of [TS]

00:37:24   all the Star Wars references that we're [TS]

00:37:26   going to have to talk about at some [TS]

00:37:27   point but it turns out the reason that [TS]

00:37:29   there's the single horrible flaw in the [TS]

00:37:31   Death Star it's because uh I a guy who [TS]

00:37:34   would you quit because he didn't work [TS]

00:37:35   for the Empire was forcibly dragged back [TS]

00:37:37   after they shot his wife he built a [TS]

00:37:41   flawed the death star on purpose but i [TS]

00:37:44   thought at the end it's like go out so [TS]

00:37:46   it turns out [TS]

00:37:46   mads mikkelsen save the galaxy he's the [TS]

00:37:49   one who has been here all along [TS]

00:37:50   it's a team effort like he doesn't get [TS]

00:37:52   him doing it on his own he also had to [TS]

00:37:54   get the plans you also have to get the [TS]

00:37:55   guy to use the Force to shoot the thing [TS]

00:37:56   into it because it's not easy to hit and [TS]

00:37:58   how many rebel soldiers had to hand that [TS]

00:38:00   disk from one person to the other no [TS]

00:38:02   guitar too [TS]

00:38:03   it's really it takes a village was a [TS]

00:38:04   bloodbath of the speaker now yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:06   I'd like that that plot point though [TS]

00:38:07   with that with galen first of all that [TS]

00:38:10   the plot point of intentionally putting [TS]

00:38:11   a full audit I don't think it's cheesy [TS]

00:38:13   is all I think it makes perfect sense [TS]

00:38:15   yeah because the this movie is entirely [TS]

00:38:17   about people's relationship to the [TS]

00:38:19   Empire whether you're all into it or [TS]

00:38:22   your kind of into it or you're totally [TS]

00:38:25   against the different you know the [TS]

00:38:26   ranges and this is wasn't in the movie [TS]

00:38:28   like so many other things but i imagine [TS]

00:38:31   a relationship between chronic and Galen [TS]

00:38:34   I imagine your college buddies yeah but [TS]

00:38:36   they were friends before the Empire [TS]

00:38:37   panic totally cheated off of Galen on [TS]

00:38:40   exams [TS]

00:38:41   oh yeah those guys are gonna factors the [TS]

00:38:42   second on screen together you can tell [TS]

00:38:44   how they got a history right and I am I [TS]

00:38:46   like you know and they just diverge [TS]

00:38:48   because you know he decided he couldn't [TS]

00:38:49   be part of the Empire and they get like [TS]

00:38:51   that that is such a great i thought that [TS]

00:38:53   was a that a great way to explain it [TS]

00:38:58   rather than just having like an engineer [TS]

00:39:00   was just on its own on his own and being [TS]

00:39:01   like I i decided i don't like the Empire [TS]

00:39:04   i'm going to be a flaw in the thing to [TS]

00:39:05   have him have a personal relationship [TS]

00:39:06   and the split from the Empire mirrors [TS]

00:39:09   his personal split because they're [TS]

00:39:10   they're one in the same because of the [TS]

00:39:12   different paths they've taken life and [TS]

00:39:13   haven't pulled back in this violent way [TS]

00:39:15   and to save his daughter and I mean they [TS]

00:39:17   put a pin on it by saying just remember [TS]

00:39:19   everything i do we do for you like you [TS]

00:39:21   don't need to again [TS]

00:39:22   that was too much but but I his [TS]

00:39:24   motivation and this plot point even [TS]

00:39:27   though it connects directly to a new [TS]

00:39:28   hope in a way that some people might [TS]

00:39:29   complain but i think it is beautiful and [TS]

00:39:30   perfect and it's a it's an example we [TS]

00:39:33   talked about the Stars travesty dress [TS]

00:39:34   this is an example of an excellent [TS]

00:39:36   wrecked on with a really good again in [TS]

00:39:38   outline form with a really good [TS]

00:39:40   character and motivation that i think is [TS]

00:39:43   a reasonable adult look at at the world [TS]

00:39:47   rather than a fairytale story and i [TS]

00:39:50   liked the idea and you said it John [TS]

00:39:51   automatically about your relationship [TS]

00:39:54   with the Empire Galen are so is given a [TS]

00:39:57   choice right his but his choices are [TS]

00:39:59   basically we kill you you will be you [TS]

00:40:03   become a collaborator or you know the [TS]

00:40:05   middle is what he chooses which is to [TS]

00:40:07   act like a collaborator act like I'm i'm [TS]

00:40:10   totally up with the Empire and you know [TS]

00:40:13   work secretly to hinder it every at [TS]

00:40:15   every stage or build a and it keeps his [TS]

00:40:18   daughter life because they're not gonna [TS]

00:40:19   be hunting for his daughter to blackmail [TS]

00:40:21   him if he looks like he's like welcome [TS]

00:40:22   back onboard guys like we don't need to [TS]

00:40:24   go get your daughter and hold her [TS]

00:40:25   hostage because you're doing all the [TS]

00:40:26   things you're supposed to yeah good job [TS]

00:40:27   meds Mickelson except for his wife [TS]

00:40:30   seemed really like angry and I don't [TS]

00:40:32   know what she was doing obviously that's [TS]

00:40:34   where she gets it from right yeah she [TS]

00:40:36   went pulsing if you go with the idea [TS]

00:40:40   that Orson and galen are our buddies are [TS]

00:40:43   clearly have some history and Orson [TS]

00:40:46   seems pretty pretty darn committed to [TS]

00:40:49   making Galen work on this project [TS]

00:40:52   you'd think that might put some strain [TS]

00:40:53   on their family life and I think we even [TS]

00:40:55   kind of get a hint of that because [TS]

00:40:56   there's that scene where they're like [TS]

00:40:58   they're on Carson or something right in [TS]

00:41:00   the and he's he's there like drinking [TS]

00:41:02   with them right and it's like he is he [TS]

00:41:05   is present and intruding on their family [TS]

00:41:06   life in this little kind of flashback [TS]

00:41:08   right [TS]

00:41:09   I didn't think in that scene it's like [TS]

00:41:11   those stormtroopers like we know that [TS]

00:41:14   there is like they can stunt people but [TS]

00:41:16   they don't care they will murder someone [TS]

00:41:17   in front of the murder someone's life in [TS]

00:41:20   front of them to make a point even [TS]

00:41:22   though yeah we could stun you and bring [TS]

00:41:23   you along but no that doesn't that work [TS]

00:41:26   for extra evil black strippers we we [TS]

00:41:28   don't do that we're going to torch this [TS]

00:41:30   farm after we should you should you you [TS]

00:41:31   know with the Empire it's a chain of [TS]

00:41:32   pain that goes all the way up to the [TS]

00:41:34   Emperor [TS]

00:41:35   and so one of the things i like about [TS]

00:41:37   this movie is how we see you know krenek [TS]

00:41:41   come to bring Galen or so back but then [TS]

00:41:44   we see krenek who is the guy who has [TS]

00:41:47   been in charge of basically building the [TS]

00:41:49   death star or the death star weaponry or [TS]

00:41:51   whatever but I mean he's basically like [TS]

00:41:53   his career has been building this Death [TS]

00:41:57   Star and you know hehe gets jerked [TS]

00:42:00   around by the by the Empire and by [TS]

00:42:03   Tarkin and he goes to complain about it [TS]

00:42:06   to darth vader and I I think critically [TS]

00:42:09   sympathetic know who's not sympathetic [TS]

00:42:11   oh but I think that's kind of funny [TS]

00:42:12   Jason are you saying that the the real [TS]

00:42:14   city is toxic bureaucracy is that what [TS]

00:42:16   you're saying [TS]

00:42:17   well I'm going to go and hand-in-hand [TS]

00:42:18   Tony they work together [TS]

00:42:20   he's bad at office politics that's his [TS]

00:42:21   problem like a piece target and you're [TS]

00:42:23   both better at office politics [TS]

00:42:25   yeah probably in Targon isn't target [TS]

00:42:27   invaders boss Vader has more put it was [TS]

00:42:30   more politically savvy you have a levy [TS]

00:42:31   was going to the Emperor target target [TS]

00:42:33   target is really not Vader's boss right [TS]

00:42:35   targets a military guy invaders a free [TS]

00:42:38   agent who works for the Emperor leaders [TS]

00:42:39   not part of the command structure right [TS]

00:42:41   he is I don't like he is the [TS]

00:42:43   representative of the Emperor until he's [TS]

00:42:45   conveniently outside the death star when [TS]

00:42:46   it explodes [TS]

00:42:47   yeah can we talk about target really [TS]

00:42:49   quick yeah let's do it let's make it [TS]

00:42:51   happen [TS]

00:42:51   I did not care for that that looked like [TS]

00:42:54   peter cushing it sounded like peter [TS]

00:42:55   cushing did it but when every talking [TS]

00:42:58   I'm thinking that's not peter cushing it [TS]

00:43:01   was too much right like it first one yes [TS]

00:43:04   face in the reflection I was like okay [TS]

00:43:06   but then like he kept being there and [TS]

00:43:08   it's like me that they had the face of [TS]

00:43:10   the reflection in the glass and then [TS]

00:43:11   they cut around and he says a line and I [TS]

00:43:13   thought wow that day did a pretty good [TS]

00:43:16   job there and energy and then I did I [TS]

00:43:19   did for that very first like the one [TS]

00:43:21   line and then it kept going there's a [TS]

00:43:23   couple where he moves where can he was [TS]

00:43:25   meeting and I thought oh no no no the [TS]

00:43:29   way to do this was to give us a very [TS]

00:43:31   little so we're like oh I see what you [TS]

00:43:33   got there and by the time you start to [TS]

00:43:36   think about the uncanny valley and [TS]

00:43:38   pondering whether peter cushing the [TS]

00:43:41   state was contacted all of those things [TS]

00:43:44   how do how do you pay a Deadman we have [TS]

00:43:46   moved [TS]

00:43:46   we've moved along well by all accounts [TS]

00:43:48   the woman who is in charge of his estate [TS]

00:43:49   was brought in and they sign things and [TS]

00:43:51   she went to the premiere and all these [TS]

00:43:52   things but but anyway I I think you're [TS]

00:43:55   exactly right which is a little bit of [TS]

00:43:57   this would have been cool and i would [TS]

00:43:59   have been totally on board but I feel [TS]

00:44:01   like it was maybe like maybe some [TS]

00:44:03   humorous there were like no no this is [TS]

00:44:04   so perfect we can just have them on [TS]

00:44:06   screen and we're going to zoom in on [TS]

00:44:07   something about it there's I think well [TS]

00:44:10   this is my thought this was my main my [TS]

00:44:13   main execution complain about the movie [TS]

00:44:16   coming out of it immediately might be [TS]

00:44:17   the thought it was a dream i had as eggs [TS]

00:44:19   in the theaters they didn't pull it off [TS]

00:44:21   because that you know but the like like [TS]

00:44:24   the mission like they did pull off the [TS]

00:44:25   mission to get the plans outright but [TS]

00:44:26   everybody diagonal brace i think it's i [TS]

00:44:29   think i think the ideas I've been [TS]

00:44:32   lobbying for this forever on podcast [TS]

00:44:35   about it a lot of the ones we talk about [TS]

00:44:36   pixar and other things [TS]

00:44:37   photo-realistic humans in a live-action [TS]

00:44:39   movie made entirely in the computer or [TS]

00:44:41   think that's going to happen probably [TS]

00:44:42   while most of us are ya [TS]

00:44:43   certainly we just ran yeah the only way [TS]

00:44:46   the only way you're gonna get there is [TS]

00:44:48   by trying and if no one ever tries [TS]

00:44:50   you're not going to get at it so in some [TS]

00:44:52   respects i applaud ilm for having the [TS]

00:44:56   guts to try to do this I don't want [TS]

00:44:58   hubris I call it I call it you know an [TS]

00:45:00   apple parlance courage like bravery [TS]

00:45:02   courage like I i give them full marks [TS]

00:45:06   shouldn't somebody at some point have [TS]

00:45:07   said this is too much [TS]

00:45:09   we're breaking the illusion here and I [TS]

00:45:11   mean because they taste you tried it and [TS]

00:45:13   then that I mean I think he probably [TS]

00:45:14   should have had one less scene and he [TS]

00:45:16   should have had one scene where he was a [TS]

00:45:17   hologram need help folding in here is me [TS]

00:45:20   when I feel like if you always do it [TS]

00:45:22   that way like that's not trying if you [TS]

00:45:24   always do it that way if you always hide [TS]

00:45:25   your if you do like what special effects [TS]

00:45:27   artists always do which is hide your [TS]

00:45:28   weaknesses put the thing in the dark how [TS]

00:45:30   many assistance you need to see cut in [TS]

00:45:31   half on the state's John so they made a [TS]

00:45:34   bold just like if it's perfect analogy [TS]

00:45:36   for this movie right they they had they [TS]

00:45:39   had a bold mission probably you know [TS]

00:45:40   ill-advised but definitely courageous [TS]

00:45:43   and and unlike the people like like the [TS]

00:45:46   people in this movie [TS]

00:45:46   they all died okay with it but the [TS]

00:45:49   people movie got the plans out and these [TS]

00:45:50   guys didn't so I kind of give them marks [TS]

00:45:53   for bravery but the absolutely [TS]

00:45:54   positively did not pull it off as far as [TS]

00:45:57   I'm concerned when I'm holding what I'm [TS]

00:45:59   head [TS]

00:45:59   about is when regular people see this [TS]

00:46:01   movie will they notice and if they [TS]

00:46:03   notice do they care [TS]

00:46:04   my question is anybody who doesn't know [TS]

00:46:08   who Peter Cushing is and doesn't realize [TS]

00:46:10   that supposed to be CG doesn't realize [TS]

00:46:13   that you know that he died i wonder if [TS]

00:46:16   they notice because I mean I notice as [TS]

00:46:20   somebody who's a cgi nerd and likes [TS]

00:46:23   looking for special effects and we [TS]

00:46:25   notice because we know Peter Cushing is [TS]

00:46:27   dead and it's super weird do it on [TS]

00:46:30   someone who's not super famous yeah of [TS]

00:46:32   course but I think about it from a [TS]

00:46:35   perspective of like we're seeing more [TS]

00:46:37   and more augmented humans in Marvel [TS]

00:46:40   movies especially even hack the preview [TS]

00:46:44   that of the previews of the road wanna [TS]

00:46:47   screening that I attended had the the [TS]

00:46:50   new pirates of the caribbean trailer and [TS]

00:46:53   the the new villain with that is like [TS]

00:46:55   his face is half floating off and [TS]

00:46:57   clearly there's a lot of cg there so [TS]

00:46:59   we're we're seeing more and more partial [TS]

00:47:02   or full CG characters and I wonder how [TS]

00:47:06   much of this is we know this character [TS]

00:47:08   and it's blatantly obvious to us and [TS]

00:47:10   blatantly weird and how much of it is [TS]

00:47:14   hand-waving most people will notice it [TS]

00:47:18   I don't know what everybody just said in [TS]

00:47:19   the last five minutes but I just went [TS]

00:47:21   and talked to my son [TS]

00:47:22   nice and he had no awareness at all that [TS]

00:47:24   was a CGI character i find it so hard to [TS]

00:47:26   believe that people won't know there's [TS]

00:47:27   something off maybe they won't know it [TS]

00:47:28   CG but like that that's what i'm saying [TS]

00:47:30   when they didn't pull it off like it [TS]

00:47:31   doesn't it not that doesn't look like [TS]

00:47:33   Peter Cushing it doesn't look like a [TS]

00:47:34   human being and that's it that's a [TS]

00:47:36   problem like that's the big problem I [TS]

00:47:38   think other people didn't notice i think [TS]

00:47:40   it is it's it's jarring test because we [TS]

00:47:42   know he's dead and that its and then [TS]

00:47:43   it's like we know this is a magic trick [TS]

00:47:45   and now we're looking for where the [TS]

00:47:46   seams are but it's not because he's dead [TS]

00:47:48   like if you did it with a live person [TS]

00:47:49   like you don't here's what here's the [TS]

00:47:50   distinction i think the the young Robert [TS]

00:47:53   Downey jr. in whatever that was in when [TS]

00:47:56   he was young [TS]

00:47:57   civil war maybe yeah probably support [TS]

00:47:59   wire that i would say regular people [TS]

00:48:01   won't notice and even looked off to us [TS]

00:48:03   it passed muster even though it looked [TS]

00:48:06   awkward and nerds know about it and it [TS]

00:48:07   wasn't quite right [TS]

00:48:08   I think pass muster with regular people [TS]

00:48:10   I feel like this [TS]

00:48:11   even people don't know what's off and [TS]

00:48:13   you have no idea who Peter Cushing is or [TS]

00:48:15   who have this character supposed to be [TS]

00:48:16   it didn't pass muster [TS]

00:48:18   Jason is wrong got it it's not just the [TS]

00:48:21   visuals which is what makes this [TS]

00:48:22   different from the robert downey jr or [TS]

00:48:26   the Pirates of the Caribbean example [TS]

00:48:27   that's not a peter cushing voice [TS]

00:48:29   performance it's somebody imitating [TS]

00:48:31   Peter Cushing and they're not as good an [TS]

00:48:33   actor is peter cushing and that bothers [TS]

00:48:36   me is someone like you might not notice [TS]

00:48:38   it's wrong but you're being deprived of [TS]

00:48:40   a genuine peter cushing permits which [TS]

00:48:43   would be better and second even if they [TS]

00:48:45   had done it perfectly [TS]

00:48:47   I think doing it that much in the movie [TS]

00:48:49   undercuts the princess later reveal at [TS]

00:48:52   the end of the movie because we've [TS]

00:48:53   already gotten used to the idea of CGI [TS]

00:48:55   young up next people's 1977 performances [TS]

00:48:58   yeah although the princess leia won't [TS]

00:49:00   like it if you wanted to do with just [TS]

00:49:01   one scene she was on briefly enough but [TS]

00:49:03   man did did it not it did not come off [TS]

00:49:08   and like here's the worst thing about [TS]

00:49:09   this they didn't choose to do this for [TS]

00:49:11   all like mon mothma showed the [TS]

00:49:14   alternative and the alternative is [TS]

00:49:16   fabulous like if they got an actor who [TS]

00:49:18   looked kinda like peter cushing but not [TS]

00:49:20   really i would have accepted because I [TS]

00:49:22   understand it's a movie and understand [TS]

00:49:24   the Mon Mothma actor is you know 40 [TS]

00:49:26   years older and you know or maybe she's [TS]

00:49:28   not a lot aren't even know like I accept [TS]

00:49:30   that it's not going to be this didn't [TS]

00:49:31   same way you except in a movie when they [TS]

00:49:32   have like a kid actor and then adult [TS]

00:49:34   actor and the kid doesn't look like they [TS]

00:49:36   will grow into the adult actor you [TS]

00:49:37   accept it was like well it's a movie [TS]

00:49:39   that we can't reverse age are you know [TS]

00:49:41   our star to be young and we don't can't [TS]

00:49:43   do a boyhood thinks you're not that kind [TS]

00:49:45   of schedule right you just accept it [TS]

00:49:47   so if they had just merely taken [TS]

00:49:49   somebody and he's got such an iconic [TS]

00:49:51   look like talking is so iconic all you [TS]

00:49:53   need is the hairline and the outfit and [TS]

00:49:56   and you know and put them on screen for [TS]

00:49:57   less time it would have worked fun they [TS]

00:49:59   chose not to do that not not because I [TS]

00:50:02   think of hubris but because they wanted [TS]

00:50:04   to be daring this it's a it's a mild [TS]

00:50:06   mining on so i give them full marks for [TS]

00:50:08   that but it is absolutely the the least [TS]

00:50:11   successful movie magic in this movement [TS]

00:50:14   i think there might be more target in [TS]

00:50:15   this movie that there was in the [TS]

00:50:17   original star wars right now and by the [TS]

00:50:19   way what was wrong with that i think is [TS]

00:50:21   well two things 1i know you can do [TS]

00:50:23   stills now that will full regular p [TS]

00:50:25   people easily they take a long time to [TS]

00:50:26   render but you can do them but animating [TS]

00:50:29   personal space talking I first why don't [TS]

00:50:33   have the skills past would pass muster [TS]

00:50:34   is busy still looks a little bit [TS]

00:50:36   plasticky me I don't know if they use [TS]

00:50:37   like that the most advanced subsurface [TS]

00:50:39   scattering for the skin or whatever but [TS]

00:50:40   I don't feel the skills pulled off of it [TS]

00:50:41   but the way his mouth moved if anyone [TS]

00:50:43   knows in like you just look at it it's [TS]

00:50:45   like that's not a human beings mouth [TS]

00:50:47   it's close to one but I look at it looks [TS]

00:50:50   like computer graphics and so the areas [TS]

00:50:52   where it falls down or not so much [TS]

00:50:54   it didn't look right or whatever but it [TS]

00:50:55   doesn't move right and that is so much [TS]

00:50:57   harder to do than just looking right [TS]

00:50:58   which is why you can get away you could [TS]

00:51:00   have got away with the layer reveal [TS]

00:51:01   where she says her lines when her face [TS]

00:51:03   is obscured and then just rotate around [TS]

00:51:05   it shows not to say anything you can [TS]

00:51:06   pull that off pretty convincingly they [TS]

00:51:08   didn't but you could i'm pretty sure the [TS]

00:51:10   layout stuff is actually composited [TS]

00:51:15   found footage and not full cgi I think [TS]

00:51:19   I'd could identify which scene they used [TS]

00:51:21   it from but she wasn't saying hope at [TS]

00:51:24   the time so they had to tweak her little [TS]

00:51:26   it's complicated right because it's its [TS]

00:51:28   face replacement and you know or it's a [TS]

00:51:31   3d model I mean there's a bunch of [TS]

00:51:33   different ways to do this right i mean [TS]

00:51:34   i-i think I think the target in there [TS]

00:51:36   was an actor acting as Tarkin and then [TS]

00:51:39   they did it was you know face [TS]

00:51:40   replacement with a model i was super [TS]

00:51:43   happy to see layout that was 100% worth [TS]

00:51:46   it for me I loved that ending [TS]

00:51:48   I don't know that target was worth it [TS]

00:51:49   because he wasn't really yeah but you [TS]

00:51:51   had to do for the office politics you [TS]

00:51:53   know you needed someone for for a [TS]

00:51:54   chronic to be that you needed the [TS]

00:51:57   unsatisfying boss relationship for [TS]

00:51:59   credit would be to have had problems at [TS]

00:52:01   work with his father he doesn't feel [TS]

00:52:03   like he is is he is appreciated and his [TS]

00:52:05   boss taking credit for his [TS]

00:52:06   accomplishments and he's under pressure [TS]

00:52:07   to do things which is a surprisingly [TS]

00:52:09   common dynamic and we see these days [TS]

00:52:11   after starting movies [TS]

00:52:13   what do you say you needed that there [TS]

00:52:15   but then like who would critics boss [TS]

00:52:17   actually be it has to be targeting he's [TS]

00:52:19   the one who's in charge right that's [TS]

00:52:21   right that's true [TS]

00:52:22   alright i guess it does have to be [TS]

00:52:23   targeted at Grand Moff Teddy letter off [TS]

00:52:26   Bob but the guy gets choked in the in [TS]

00:52:28   the in the meeting with the coffee [TS]

00:52:30   ok so let's talk about other references [TS]

00:52:31   to start wars now there are lots that [TS]

00:52:34   you havin for lookout on his tiny perch [TS]

00:52:36   I love that guy [TS]

00:52:37   love actually just got a point that [TS]

00:52:39   thing at the ship's except for the ships [TS]

00:52:40   that aren't supposed to be leaving I'm [TS]

00:52:41   not playing anything about he's not even [TS]

00:52:43   supposed to leave you got the blue milk [TS]

00:52:45   i laughed with the blue milk i thought [TS]

00:52:47   that was funny it's just there it's just [TS]

00:52:49   they're just they're drinking they got [TS]

00:52:51   some little they just leave it out my [TS]

00:52:52   guess is shelf-stable blue it's the Blue [TS]

00:52:55   John the blue keeps it stable i like how [TS]

00:52:57   even on even on this lush green planet [TS]

00:52:59   they still build their houses like [TS]

00:53:00   underground like their entire domain [TS]

00:53:02   you've got Jimmy Smits who is has stuck [TS]

00:53:04   around from the prequels and see ya [TS]

00:53:06   German to commit to this franchise good [TS]

00:53:08   to see him yet another like and they [TS]

00:53:10   pulled another good thing like a thing [TS]

00:53:11   that I actually you know it they [TS]

00:53:13   extracted the tiny bits of value that [TS]

00:53:15   they're cooking the prequels referencing [TS]

00:53:16   music which was good and Jimmy spits [TS]

00:53:18   he's a good landlubbers yeah I was just [TS]

00:53:21   worried I was like you should not be on [TS]

00:53:22   the space that's not going to like you [TS]

00:53:24   should be out like getting reelected if [TS]

00:53:27   they like if there's like a scandal [TS]

00:53:28   where you're caught on this base and [TS]

00:53:30   like a paparazzi photo you're in trouble [TS]

00:53:31   so does he get elected his daughter [TS]

00:53:33   Princess Emily's sir I don't understand [TS]

00:53:36   that were confusing [TS]

00:53:38   yeah well you know how Padma is a queen [TS]

00:53:40   who got elected i'm suggesting that [TS]

00:53:42   Baylor got as a senator in her life [TS]

00:53:45   position interesting it's something [TS]

00:53:47   royal family something something [TS]

00:53:50   yeah isn't it a little weird that they [TS]

00:53:51   named that later as a princess when her [TS]

00:53:53   mom was the queen and is that it was [TS]

00:53:56   that just a coincidence but that's [TS]

00:53:58   probably for another podcast because I [TS]

00:54:00   didn't want to give her a downgrade when [TS]

00:54:01   the adoption is like well you were born [TS]

00:54:03   to this level we need to get lateral [TS]

00:54:05   yeah there's a lot of people and a lot [TS]

00:54:07   of cultures in the star wars universe is [TS]

00:54:09   some phrases translate better than [TS]

00:54:10   others from you-know-who Corellian to [TS]

00:54:13   alter ad until two whatnot you know but [TS]

00:54:15   I did like jimmy smits that was always [TS]

00:54:17   one of those interesting characters of [TS]

00:54:18   like that you know Bail Organa the idea [TS]

00:54:20   that it's like who raised Leia and he's [TS]

00:54:22   on Alderaan when it blows up and all of [TS]

00:54:24   that i'm also mon mothma doubt that one [TS]

00:54:27   played mon mothma in episode 3 although [TS]

00:54:31   i think we've mostly cut out so there [TS]

00:54:33   but there but it's 2 episode 3 actors [TS]

00:54:35   they're having scenes together which is [TS]

00:54:37   kind of fun [TS]

00:54:38   it's the most fun thing to come out of [TS]

00:54:39   episode three anyway I didn't really [TS]

00:54:42   need c-3po Minos seeing what I've seen [TS]

00:54:44   him a lot for r2d2 I thought that was [TS]

00:54:47   unnecessary other than to say and [TS]

00:54:49   they're here [TS]

00:54:49   to everybody's here and put them in the [TS]

00:54:51   background or something you know like [TS]

00:54:52   that only lines they don't need to be [TS]

00:54:54   like in the corner of the screen with [TS]

00:54:56   his hand on top of his head like they're [TS]

00:54:57   on the Star Wars story for ya much what [TS]

00:55:02   else Darth Vader lots of Darth Vader [TS]

00:55:03   what people think about me use of Darth [TS]

00:55:05   Vader here you forget how different is a [TS]

00:55:07   new hope i get up is an empire byzantine [TS]

00:55:11   empire is the iconic one and it didn't [TS]

00:55:12   change much for Jedi but the new hope [TS]

00:55:14   one I like the red eyes and the weird [TS]

00:55:16   next thing and that like that Morgan was [TS]

00:55:18   like you know chest plate looks a little [TS]

00:55:20   bit more simple and Lester I didn't have [TS]

00:55:22   the budget basically in the first movie [TS]

00:55:24   in the second movie could help you know [TS]

00:55:25   but it was so nice to see that and the [TS]

00:55:28   thing that fascinates me about beta is [TS]

00:55:29   you know grandma always said he wants [TS]

00:55:30   i'm pretty sure that certain portions of [TS]

00:55:34   Vader when he's on screen or CG but [TS]

00:55:36   because he's all black and shiny [TS]

00:55:38   I can't tell exactly how ya see it like [TS]

00:55:41   it because they can do that so well and [TS]

00:55:43   see if you can even when i'm looking for [TS]

00:55:44   him like all right so was the whole body [TS]

00:55:46   cg at this point or just just the gloves [TS]

00:55:49   there was the helmet because they're so [TS]

00:55:50   good at replacing like the lead with [TS]

00:55:52   bb-8 and the force awakens with the bb-8 [TS]

00:55:54   puppet and they were like just replace [TS]

00:55:56   the puppet ever the cg head its you've [TS]

00:55:58   already got the real footage [TS]

00:55:59   there's nothing in the way of it is your [TS]

00:56:00   pole full detail prop but you think it [TS]

00:56:03   would look a little better you have a [TS]

00:56:04   little more control see Jesus entirely [TS]

00:56:06   mask over the physical head with a CG [TS]

00:56:08   had looked exactly the same and I you [TS]

00:56:10   know I when I see it as a second time [TS]

00:56:12   i'm going to look at it but I I thought [TS]

00:56:13   Vader looked awesome and he was he was [TS]

00:56:16   he he was what he needed to be he was [TS]

00:56:17   the vader from a new hope there is no [TS]

00:56:19   other vader i totally disassociated from [TS]

00:56:21   those other movies this is the matter i [TS]

00:56:23   wanted to see i love this Vader and his [TS]

00:56:25   his triumphant his triumphant is this is [TS]

00:56:28   seen in the hallway at the end i can [TS]

00:56:30   just put that on Lucas watching yeah I [TS]

00:56:32   was hoping for know Darth Vader coming [TS]

00:56:35   in because I was hoping this would be as [TS]

00:56:36   distinct from the regular star wars [TS]

00:56:39   movies as possible but I loved seeing [TS]

00:56:41   him and I realized because we spent so [TS]

00:56:42   much time humanizing Anakin with the [TS]

00:56:45   prequels which I personally do not hate [TS]

00:56:47   or the cartoons which i really like but [TS]

00:56:49   the heck with those guys this is the [TS]

00:56:51   darth vader that's cool [TS]

00:56:52   wheezing evil james earl jones voice and [TS]

00:56:55   that i was really happy to see him he [TS]

00:56:57   has a like a dark tower in lava land [TS]

00:57:01   Tamar that was from empire for this [TS]

00:57:03   story idea for Empire was that you know [TS]

00:57:06   it was gonna be Darth Vader's cats in [TS]

00:57:07   the original Leigh Brackett screenplay [TS]

00:57:09   yeah right Darth Vader's castle and the [TS]

00:57:11   sketches of it looks similar to what's [TS]

00:57:12   there and it was such a weird idea for [TS]

00:57:14   Empire is like you yeah i'm going to [TS]

00:57:15   hoping like okay well Empire we get to [TS]

00:57:17   see what elevator lives and it's cool [TS]

00:57:18   castle again now we're not going to do [TS]

00:57:20   that to have that come back to be before [TS]

00:57:22   a new hope with it with a like it with a [TS]

00:57:24   prebuilt I in that was first of all that [TS]

00:57:27   was a hell of a pet who would not like [TS]

00:57:28   the giant black castle a lot of planning [TS]

00:57:30   with your own back the tank and and your [TS]

00:57:32   own like servants and stuff he's got a [TS]

00:57:34   great setup [TS]

00:57:34   oh yeah I wondered a little bit like do [TS]

00:57:36   you do you want to live right next to a [TS]

00:57:38   lava pool like I mean what what is your [TS]

00:57:40   one-stop faders like emotional feelings [TS]

00:57:42   about working with dark mood i feel like [TS]

00:57:44   this is this is the you know if I want [TS]

00:57:45   to connect with the prequels I say he's [TS]

00:57:47   coming out of the prequels he still live [TS]

00:57:50   with grumbling about you how that went [TS]

00:57:52   down slipping down the prequels right [TS]

00:57:53   but you know and and like if you want to [TS]

00:57:55   ignore the prequels and just be like [TS]

00:57:56   this is after that his fight with Abby [TS]

00:57:58   on by the pool of lava which we were [TS]

00:58:00   talking about and you know in the [TS]

00:58:01   eighties right but you don't have to [TS]

00:58:03   pretend it's the prequels you're saying [TS]

00:58:04   that happened and he's grumpy about it [TS]

00:58:06   uh and he's resting on his planet he's [TS]

00:58:10   gonna come back into his own after he [TS]

00:58:11   gets healed up or whatever and he's [TS]

00:58:13   pissed now and that's that's the guy who [TS]

00:58:15   breaks through you know the the blockade [TS]

00:58:17   runner at the beginning of a new hope [TS]

00:58:18   he's he's big he is angry and and he's [TS]

00:58:23   really powerful I liked his I like we [TS]

00:58:25   get that mean a brief shot of him in the [TS]

00:58:27   back to tank [TS]

00:58:29   I think that's really cool just you know [TS]

00:58:31   as a parallel to catching a glimpse of [TS]

00:58:34   him from behind [TS]

00:58:36   yeah I thought they were going to do [TS]

00:58:36   that though they're gonna have the [TS]

00:58:38   bigger the big thing after the after the [TS]

00:58:39   movie was over we were walking out and [TS]

00:58:41   and my wife said that she wished she [TS]

00:58:45   could imagine my son making a comment [TS]

00:58:47   but he's too old now to make that [TS]

00:58:48   comment which is Darth Vader's bathroom [TS]

00:58:50   is really weird [TS]

00:58:51   you got this in your bathroom it's great [TS]

00:58:54   like his office [TS]

00:58:55   they're kind of creepy put you put your [TS]

00:58:57   stuff on darth vader but i like i like [TS]

00:58:59   that as a reminder and as an echo of [TS]

00:59:01   empire that was a lot of that was a lot [TS]

00:59:03   of fun to see I was glad he was facing [TS]

00:59:04   backwards so I didn't have to see them [TS]

00:59:06   try to put hayden christensen space on [TS]

00:59:07   him so i could further emphasized in my [TS]

00:59:09   own mind this is the real Darth Vader [TS]

00:59:11   yeah [TS]

00:59:12   what else what other references did were [TS]

00:59:15   you struck by in the stormtroopers [TS]

00:59:17   talking about the 213 teeth yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:59:20   only 10-15 they say the t-50 because [TS]

00:59:24   it's the t16 is next right now was it i [TS]

00:59:26   have a gratuitous and we and we have you [TS]

00:59:28   know the x-wing squadrons is the other [TS]

00:59:30   thing right with all their stickers and [TS]

00:59:31   helmets and yeah actually already blown [TS]

00:59:34   a wide range blue squadron gets [TS]

00:59:36   destroyed the Blues garage and checks in [TS]

00:59:37   it was like I tell you I felt like [TS]

00:59:40   someone kicked me in the chest low [TS]

00:59:42   squadron there's no o.o get attached let [TS]

00:59:48   me look at them as all these blue shift [TS]

00:59:50   and you're like off them all day and [TS]

00:59:53   then yeah it was it was balanced off by [TS]

00:59:56   red5 disappearing like well you just [TS]

00:59:57   bring up a slight yeah we knew right [TS]

00:59:57   bring up a slight yeah we knew right [TS]

01:00:00   and five later I was that was a loose [TS]

01:00:02   quarter and it was just people surprised [TS]

01:00:03   by the the scope of the of the of the [TS]

01:00:06   space battle because that in integrating [TS]

01:00:08   war film I didn't expect a big space [TS]

01:00:10   battle i was completely surprised i did [TS]

01:00:12   not think therapy and I i was i was [TS]

01:00:14   delighted by that was good it was a [TS]

01:00:15   really good space battle you there was [TS]

01:00:17   good geography it which I know that [TS]

01:00:20   sounds weird but it's like so easy and a [TS]

01:00:21   lot of these movies with space battles [TS]

01:00:24   to like not quite sure whether like we [TS]

01:00:27   understand where everybody's going or [TS]

01:00:28   what we know what they're doing or you [TS]

01:00:31   know what the objectives are but with [TS]

01:00:32   that kind of the ring with up like [TS]

01:00:34   planet-wide force field with a little [TS]

01:00:36   ring you could pass through which I [TS]

01:00:37   liked I liked that as a conceit and that [TS]

01:00:39   they're trying to get you know break [TS]

01:00:41   through it or get through it before it [TS]

01:00:42   closes which was there was that cool [TS]

01:00:44   scene where it closes and the x-wings [TS]

01:00:46   bounds off of the shield which I really [TS]

01:00:48   liked and slide the bounce and snap [TS]

01:00:50   blue squadron bending loads and pretty [TS]

01:00:52   crazy battle where you have like you [TS]

01:00:55   have the you know Jenna's were working [TS]

01:00:57   her way up the tower and then you have [TS]

01:00:58   the other people in different places on [TS]

01:01:00   the beach doing different things and [TS]

01:01:02   then you've got the people running air [TS]

01:01:03   support on the beach and then the people [TS]

01:01:05   above you are doing the different things [TS]

01:01:06   you have the fighters and the capital [TS]

01:01:08   ships but it didn't feel like I didn't [TS]

01:01:10   feel lost or confused right now but like [TS]

01:01:12   it's very well together i was a little [TS]

01:01:15   confused about like what's the [TS]

01:01:16   rebellions plan here like you guys put a [TS]

01:01:18   lot of resources yeah well that's the [TS]

01:01:19   thing they don't really have much of a [TS]

01:01:20   planet then again i'm willing to believe [TS]

01:01:22   like yeah they don't know what they're [TS]

01:01:23   doing yeah Rwanda is going there like [TS]

01:01:26   we're just gonna go like her she [TS]

01:01:27   basically her speech was like we're [TS]

01:01:28   gonna go into all this dye which is your [TS]

01:01:30   first and maybe all of them will die [TS]

01:01:32   I and then the other people are like oh [TS]

01:01:34   we should go help and they just show up [TS]

01:01:37   within our ships and planes are even [TS]

01:01:39   kind of like a thing where like if i [TS]

01:01:40   forget if it's blue squadron but like [TS]

01:01:42   the squadron of x-wings is gonna go help [TS]

01:01:43   and then they're like well if they're [TS]

01:01:45   going [TS]

01:01:45   everyone's going yeah yeah no it'sit's [TS]

01:01:48   total it fits with the rest of the [TS]

01:01:49   disorganized rebellion in fact that [TS]

01:01:51   they're not unified and they'll just go [TS]

01:01:53   and shop and they they don't do well [TS]

01:01:54   like that they they basically get they [TS]

01:01:57   lose most of their ships huge numbers of [TS]

01:01:59   people the only reason that is any [TS]

01:02:00   remote success is because you know that [TS]

01:02:03   one ship gets away with Princess Leia [TS]

01:02:05   and the plans on it and [TS]

01:02:06   you know it was even like I think red [TS]

01:02:07   leader blue leader was a general and I [TS]

01:02:09   was like you should not put your general [TS]

01:02:10   and you're like that's not remember all [TS]

01:02:12   their like they always like every one of [TS]

01:02:14   their sugar showed up [TS]

01:02:15   yeah there we were just in a new hope [TS]

01:02:17   OIC we're there [TS]

01:02:18   yeah you know yeah isn't a general yet [TS]

01:02:21   but she's going to be general real soon [TS]

01:02:23   as the six succession planning it's like [TS]

01:02:25   well everyone above me is dead so I [TS]

01:02:27   guess I'm guess I'm a general you know [TS]

01:02:29   that's that's not an elected position [TS]

01:02:31   the geography also i wanted to mention [TS]

01:02:34   the geography continues to get see the [TS]

01:02:37   Death Star's there and we also get those [TS]

01:02:39   cool shots of them like looking down on [TS]

01:02:41   the planet destruction as they as they [TS]

01:02:44   fire that one just a one reactor blacks [TS]

01:02:48   out of there and then of course they say [TS]

01:02:50   with Darth Vader will take care of them [TS]

01:02:51   and so that the last bit of that fight [TS]

01:02:53   is there there on the way out and Darth [TS]

01:02:55   Vader's Star Destroyer comes in and and [TS]

01:02:58   smashes a bunch of them and that was [TS]

01:03:01   that was a great moment but but that's [TS]

01:03:02   also it all made sense in the geography [TS]

01:03:05   of and like I thought more of the ships [TS]

01:03:07   are gonna be okay because they use the [TS]

01:03:08   same ship designs is what we see in [TS]

01:03:10   Empire and return of the jedi and so in [TS]

01:03:11   my mind it's like it's the same ship [TS]

01:03:13   that ships gonna invite it's like no [TS]

01:03:14   bitch just the same model shine sorry [TS]

01:03:17   that thing just got gutted happened [TS]

01:03:18   that's not the medical frigate Luke is [TS]

01:03:19   gonna get a reading on like it just [TS]

01:03:21   looks similar [TS]

01:03:23   where's Admiral Ackbar well he hasn't [TS]

01:03:24   been promoted yet yeah [TS]

01:03:26   yes cuz that's where you know they [TS]

01:03:28   didn't have a fight where they take out [TS]

01:03:30   the death star but like having to start [TS]

01:03:32   a serious crash into each other that [TS]

01:03:33   that was you know i'll take that is what [TS]

01:03:35   pushed into each other that was and [TS]

01:03:37   sacrificing their own ship to do it in a [TS]

01:03:39   suicide mission right yeah that's what I [TS]

01:03:42   want out about space fighters be saying [TS]

01:03:44   that was cool and those starters [TS]

01:03:46   crushing into each other than falling [TS]

01:03:48   down love it was cool yeah I felt like [TS]

01:03:50   they didn't necessarily need to connect [TS]

01:03:52   every single dot to star wars and that [TS]

01:03:54   when when they die i know they wanted [TS]

01:03:57   that ending hand plans to lay and have [TS]

01:03:59   them go off but like you could have [TS]

01:04:02   probably omitted a couple of steps and [TS]

01:04:04   gotten the point that this is why we see [TS]

01:04:07   what we see at the beginning of Star [TS]

01:04:08   Wars but they decided no we are going to [TS]

01:04:12   connect and not a single dot like [TS]

01:04:15   literally star wars starts like less [TS]

01:04:19   than an hour [TS]

01:04:19   after this movie ends I i think that [TS]

01:04:22   mostly works because what i wanted to [TS]

01:04:24   see was Vader yeah I what I later [TS]

01:04:27   storming towards them to get the plans [TS]

01:04:29   he's been brought in to get the job done [TS]

01:04:31   right and i want to see those guys with [TS]

01:04:33   the funny hats running yeah and yeah and [TS]

01:04:35   like it keeps the neck one yesterday [TS]

01:04:37   right then and I like that I like that [TS]

01:04:39   echo of the the echo of the you know the [TS]

01:04:42   hallway scene of the the opening of a [TS]

01:04:43   new hope like they did the dark version [TS]

01:04:45   of that pussy is it's great comparison [TS]

01:04:47   because they're in so much more [TS]

01:04:48   desperate set as desperate things are in [TS]

01:04:50   a new hope things are going on the [TS]

01:04:52   upswing by that point because they've [TS]

01:04:54   got the plans [TS]

01:04:55   they've been hidden in the droid they [TS]

01:04:57   can't find the plans like they're [TS]

01:04:58   tearing the ship apart to find a place [TS]

01:04:59   like at them and we know where they are [TS]

01:05:01   and they're incompetent people don't [TS]

01:05:03   shoot [TS]

01:05:03   escape pods with no life-forms on them [TS]

01:05:05   right you know so i think things are on [TS]

01:05:07   the upswing in that movie and this is a [TS]

01:05:09   great downwards and do they have to do [TS]

01:05:10   we have to seal and no I mean it's nice [TS]

01:05:12   to see it we have to see it does this [TS]

01:05:14   have to be the actual ship is escaping [TS]

01:05:17   I probably not but I kind of like the [TS]

01:05:19   fact that it like it literally I in my [TS]

01:05:21   mind like the next scene is the first [TS]

01:05:23   scene of a new hope I don't even think [TS]

01:05:24   like a movie part you don't need there's [TS]

01:05:26   no there's no other scenes between this [TS]

01:05:28   and and I like that because it leads [TS]

01:05:30   right into it i think it helps with the [TS]

01:05:31   tone because the ending is so dark we [TS]

01:05:34   see that all of our characters die [TS]

01:05:36   darth vader shows up and just slays like [TS]

01:05:39   you know eight you know guys wonder how [TS]

01:05:42   was rebellion red shirts and it's we [TS]

01:05:44   need something to cling to and so I know [TS]

01:05:47   if they have to be kind of heavy-handed [TS]

01:05:49   with like no has killed all the main [TS]

01:05:51   characters everything's gonna be okay we [TS]

01:05:53   gotta give you a new hope media to do [TS]

01:05:54   that but like I think I think you can [TS]

01:05:57   kill off all the main characters and not [TS]

01:05:58   give you that at the end [TS]

01:05:59   no I want to see that actual ship [TS]

01:06:01   leaving because what i want to feel like [TS]

01:06:02   is that every single person involved in [TS]

01:06:05   this mission they have to show you that [TS]

01:06:06   it was the wind even it was at horrible [TS]

01:06:08   cost they do it was a way i want to feel [TS]

01:06:10   that they they all sacrifice themselves [TS]

01:06:12   to just like this one [TS]

01:06:14   like what they leave behind is a half [TS]

01:06:16   destroyed planet huge wreckage in orbit [TS]

01:06:19   dead [TS]

01:06:20   everybody is dead and the one thing that [TS]

01:06:22   squirts out of the system is that one [TS]

01:06:24   little tiny ship which is why the [TS]

01:06:26   beginning of new hope you get the Giant [TS]

01:06:28   you know Empire grey triangle looming [TS]

01:06:31   above this one [TS]

01:06:32   and tiny shipping like how can this one [TS]

01:06:33   tiny ship you know it [TS]

01:06:35   this is what they're down to their down [TS]

01:06:36   to the giant Empire chasing is one tiny [TS]

01:06:38   ship is getting blown up and bored like [TS]

01:06:40   that's that's where you're coming from [TS]

01:06:41   so i need i need to see something small [TS]

01:06:44   and tiny leave behind the wreckage and [TS]

01:06:46   if it was like another ship that then [TS]

01:06:49   met up with Princess relationship and [TS]

01:06:50   handed it off it wouldn't be it wouldn't [TS]

01:06:53   be the funnel that I wanted it to be and [TS]

01:06:54   I don't need to see layer directly i [TS]

01:06:56   could have just seen the ship or [TS]

01:06:57   whatever or she could be on screen for a [TS]

01:06:59   second our only senior behind I don't [TS]

01:07:00   need that somebody handing the disc to [TS]

01:07:02   somebody named captain Antilles or [TS]

01:07:03   something like that right right but i [TS]

01:07:05   but i want to see that I want to see a [TS]

01:07:07   ship leave that wreckage and I want that [TS]

01:07:08   ship to be our new hope I think a lot of [TS]

01:07:10   people needed to see Leia I mean I feel [TS]

01:07:12   like there are a lot of people who are [TS]

01:07:13   confused about when this movie is set [TS]

01:07:15   and why doesn't have any of the [TS]

01:07:16   characters force awakens are from the [TS]

01:07:18   other characters and like they they want [TS]

01:07:21   to see later yeah they're not going to [TS]

01:07:22   see Luca and in a movie they be at least [TS]

01:07:24   one of those three in there and so maybe [TS]

01:07:26   we are okay with that but I think for a [TS]

01:07:28   lot of people that like that there's a [TS]

01:07:30   huge payout for them emotionally and [TS]

01:07:32   seeing that I do love the seventies [TS]

01:07:34   sci-fi movie our direction that they got [TS]

01:07:36   to bring back it's all you know I it it [TS]

01:07:38   with the the the quarry white corridors [TS]

01:07:41   my guys with the funny hats and all of [TS]

01:07:42   that it's like i love i love that his [TS]

01:07:44   haircut yeah where none of the door just [TS]

01:07:48   rectangles they're all weird trapezoid [TS]

01:07:50   shape for no reason [TS]

01:07:51   yep and then a break all the time but [TS]

01:07:54   although i want to say like the funny [TS]

01:07:56   hat guys like when the door jamb that [TS]

01:07:57   they're trying to get out and Darth [TS]

01:07:59   Vader is coming and they know he's got a [TS]

01:08:00   problem [TS]

01:08:00   I feel like they should have handed that [TS]

01:08:02   data thing through the crack in the door [TS]

01:08:03   and started soon anyway yeah yeah it's [TS]

01:08:06   almost like you know throw me the whip [TS]

01:08:07   you know everything on kind of situation [TS]

01:08:09   there's like just give me the plans do [TS]

01:08:11   like my face it you're a goddess right [TS]

01:08:14   they want to let me think maybe the door [TS]

01:08:15   will open its like doors like an open [TS]

01:08:17   right is just gonna kill everyone in the [TS]

01:08:19   hallway you just saw him kill all your [TS]

01:08:21   pals your day right [TS]

01:08:22   if you made I guess the mistake of [TS]

01:08:24   closely analyzing the especially the [TS]

01:08:27   teaser trailer as we did for this movie [TS]

01:08:30   oh yeah watching them at all yeah what [TS]

01:08:32   you found is that like in the teaser [TS]

01:08:34   trailer there's there's very little [TS]

01:08:36   other than that scene where they blow up [TS]

01:08:38   all the stormtroopers and stuff in that [TS]

01:08:40   ambush there's very little that actually [TS]

01:08:42   seems to be connected to the movie we [TS]

01:08:44   saw and I [TS]

01:08:45   the one that struck me the most is Jin [TS]

01:08:48   that clearly the initial intent with gin [TS]

01:08:51   was to play up i think it's still in her [TS]

01:08:54   character right we see her locked up [TS]

01:08:56   there's a suggestion that she's been [TS]

01:08:58   kinda on the run and on her own for a [TS]

01:08:59   while and that she's done some bad stuff [TS]

01:09:01   but in the final version it's it's [TS]

01:09:04   really kind of soft peddled whereas in [TS]

01:09:07   the in the trailer the implication was [TS]

01:09:09   that she was you know she had been [TS]

01:09:12   picked up and and and handcuffed by the [TS]

01:09:14   rebels essentially like maybe she is [TS]

01:09:17   doing things that the rebels don't [TS]

01:09:19   approve of but they've got a mission for [TS]

01:09:20   her and I think that was really an [TS]

01:09:22   interesting change to see outside of the [TS]

01:09:25   actual text of the movie to see how they [TS]

01:09:27   they obviously decided to kind of soften [TS]

01:09:30   her character a little bit and have it [TS]

01:09:31   make it more about her relationship with [TS]

01:09:33   her father and trying to reconnect with [TS]

01:09:36   him then her being kind of this cynical [TS]

01:09:39   criminal who had to be recruited with a [TS]

01:09:42   ragtag group of of rebels in order to [TS]

01:09:45   solve the Death Star problem if they [TS]

01:09:47   didn't have to pick one of the other she [TS]

01:09:48   could have had that father relationship [TS]

01:09:49   and also been the sort of maladjusted [TS]

01:09:53   bad attitude I mean that's in the movie [TS]

01:09:55   like that the scene where she's rescued [TS]

01:09:57   she's rescued from the prison ship and [TS]

01:09:58   her reaction is to beat the hell out of [TS]

01:10:00   the people rescue me and she's like once [TS]

01:10:02   I'm freed I also don't want to associate [TS]

01:10:04   with you rescuers I'm formed my own I'm [TS]

01:10:07   my own person i'm on my own i watch out [TS]

01:10:09   for myself I don't trust you as far as I [TS]

01:10:11   can for you yes you're setting me free [TS]

01:10:12   but my reactions to immediately hit you [TS]

01:10:14   in the face like that's the character [TS]

01:10:15   that was in the trailer and I know it's [TS]

01:10:17   not good to like you know blame the [TS]

01:10:19   movie for the trailers the trailers [TS]

01:10:21   whatever it is but honestly this is the [TS]

01:10:23   movie that has the most divergence from [TS]

01:10:25   all the trails i only watch the teaser [TS]

01:10:27   on the one we talked about in this [TS]

01:10:28   pocket I intentionally didn't watch [TS]

01:10:29   elements and i'm so glad i didn't but so [TS]

01:10:31   much from all three of the trailers for [TS]

01:10:33   this movie and all like is just not only [TS]

01:10:36   is it not in the movie there's no [TS]

01:10:37   equivalent in the movies not as if they [TS]

01:10:39   chose a different line reading or [TS]

01:10:40   different angular got the same [TS]

01:10:41   information information out in a [TS]

01:10:42   different scene is just plain not in the [TS]

01:10:45   movie and I don't really care like oh [TS]

01:10:49   they changed their mind about this [TS]

01:10:50   happens like that i like the outline of [TS]

01:10:51   the movie i like the idea of of the [TS]

01:10:53   overall plot in the details of my Jason [TS]

01:10:56   was talking about like a [TS]

01:10:57   in not being quite as well as much of a [TS]

01:11:00   you know a thorn in the side of the [TS]

01:11:03   rebellion because she's just [TS]

01:11:04   uncontrollable and you know more like [TS]

01:11:07   songs group like the the rebels that the [TS]

01:11:09   rebels find annoying because they're [TS]

01:11:10   just yet she's wildly she's going she's [TS]

01:11:13   a wild and out of control that's one of [TS]

01:11:14   the strategies a trailer that's what you [TS]

01:11:16   get is she is a wild uncontrollable [TS]

01:11:17   person that they have to deal with and [TS]

01:11:19   they don't like it [TS]

01:11:20   friend and thats briefly in the movie in [TS]

01:11:22   different parts but in other parts it's [TS]

01:11:23   not and I felt like if they hit again [TS]

01:11:25   had you know stuck with that you could [TS]

01:11:27   have had everything could have had the [TS]

01:11:28   father relationship you could have all [TS]

01:11:29   that stuff you could have i don't i [TS]

01:11:31   don't think they needed to worry about [TS]

01:11:32   making her likable are making her a [TS]

01:11:34   source of hope because i think they [TS]

01:11:35   should have trusted the audience to [TS]

01:11:36   understand that you know you have to [TS]

01:11:39   eventually get her to come around the [TS]

01:11:41   idea of the rebellion is a good idea [TS]

01:11:42   fine you have to do that but it could [TS]

01:11:44   have just been the only person who get [TS]

01:11:47   this job done with somebody who is dis [TS]

01:11:50   extreme and this uncontrollable and in [TS]

01:11:53   the end she's the only reason this [TS]

01:11:55   worked and I don't think you need to [TS]

01:11:56   like to all but I didn't like her she [TS]

01:11:58   was too mean I don't think that would [TS]

01:11:59   have been an issue because we would have [TS]

01:12:00   seen her sacrifice and her bravery and [TS]

01:12:03   her leadership and all the other things [TS]

01:12:04   that were in the movie I i wish they'd [TS]

01:12:07   get you know I don't know if you say I [TS]

01:12:09   wish they stuck to their guns i have no [TS]

01:12:10   idea that was ever in there but the [TS]

01:12:11   trailers made me think that she would be [TS]

01:12:13   a different character than she wasn't we [TS]

01:12:14   slightly and I see half of that [TS]

01:12:16   character is actually fluctuates she's [TS]

01:12:17   the one for the trailer now she's not [TS]

01:12:19   now she's the one from the trailer now [TS]

01:12:20   she's not and i think i think it [TS]

01:12:22   weakened her overall yeah I mean we and [TS]

01:12:24   we will never know what that other movie [TS]

01:12:26   is before they you know they reshot and [TS]

01:12:29   they changed the movie and and and quite [TS]

01:12:31   possibly for the better [TS]

01:12:32   we just don't we just don't know but [TS]

01:12:34   that's clearly something that changed I [TS]

01:12:37   think they did like if i had to guess I [TS]

01:12:38   would say that they probably did improve [TS]

01:12:40   the movies I again I like what happened [TS]

01:12:42   in the movie is just in the details like [TS]

01:12:44   while it's happening how is this person [TS]

01:12:46   acting and what is their attitude [TS]

01:12:47   towards it and i think it would just [TS]

01:12:48   tweaked it a little bit and you know [TS]

01:12:50   that but in the same with all the [TS]

01:12:52   different things like they have scenes [TS]

01:12:54   of her running all over the place with [TS]

01:12:56   the Death Star plans legit yeah she's [TS]

01:12:58   not even our on the beach and she's got [TS]

01:13:00   the plans during the battle with the [TS]

01:13:02   walkers which suggests that in a [TS]

01:13:04   previous draft of this that they shot [TS]

01:13:07   some of that they were going to get out [TS]

01:13:09   of the building with the [TS]

01:13:10   plans and you know died elsewhere and [TS]

01:13:13   dial swear presumably yeah right and you [TS]

01:13:17   know and like NFL in what they replaced [TS]

01:13:19   it with like I don't know why they [TS]

01:13:20   changed things around but with your [TS]

01:13:21   place with her confrontation with [TS]

01:13:24   chronic on the walkway no tie fighter to [TS]

01:13:26   be found her confrontation there the way [TS]

01:13:28   it's resolved [TS]

01:13:30   I mean like it's not bad like you know [TS]

01:13:32   you know Cassie and comes back and we [TS]

01:13:34   thought it was dead but he's not and he [TS]

01:13:36   you know like the two of them working [TS]

01:13:37   together fun that it's all right but [TS]

01:13:39   it's not as cool as that I fighter [TS]

01:13:41   popping up i can tell you that my idea [TS]

01:13:43   and ironic was down in the beach to in [TS]

01:13:45   the trailer [TS]

01:13:46   yeah yeah yeahs now getting back up when [TS]

01:13:48   I was like that to me was like the [TS]

01:13:50   second most iconic thing from the [TS]

01:13:51   trailer it's the IRA beltline which [TS]

01:13:53   isn't in it and then him walking with [TS]

01:13:55   his capability in the water [TS]

01:13:57   yeah and he looks like he I mean he [TS]

01:13:59   looks really badass there and especially [TS]

01:14:00   in comparison to like his his first [TS]

01:14:03   couple appearances where he's wearing [TS]

01:14:04   that behalf that he eventually stopped [TS]

01:14:06   where it was like that he said this is a [TS]

01:14:08   different guy the guy the guy who's [TS]

01:14:10   striding across a battlefield with with [TS]

01:14:12   his kid not caring that escape is [TS]

01:14:13   getting soaked in the sand and water [TS]

01:14:15   would not wear that hat so the end of [TS]

01:14:18   june story kind of doesn't make sense at [TS]

01:14:20   this point she and and or on top of the [TS]

01:14:24   world's biggest tower yeah radio start [TS]

01:14:27   the thing do they then take the elevator [TS]

01:14:30   downstairs and wander out to the beach [TS]

01:14:32   to do that i have the time to do that [TS]

01:14:35   but they don't have the time to [TS]

01:14:36   apparently got on the ship and fly away [TS]

01:14:37   i hate to say it but it's like the end [TS]

01:14:39   of is a deep impact to right where [TS]

01:14:41   exactly like deep impact my favorite [TS]

01:14:43   Leone has to sit down at the coast and [TS]

01:14:45   wait for those wave to come in and kill [TS]

01:14:47   them all yeah I like that scene though [TS]

01:14:49   especially you know the only part I like [TS]

01:14:51   working yeah I don't mind sitting there [TS]

01:14:53   waiting for the tsunami to kill him and [TS]

01:14:56   I thought that was effective there I [TS]

01:14:57   thought it was effective here [TS]

01:14:58   yeah but a lot of deep impact talk and [TS]

01:15:01   speak of that like the Death Star the [TS]

01:15:03   idea of having the stars we know this [TS]

01:15:04   was gonna be a movie right having here [TS]

01:15:06   but having it having it do like the [TS]

01:15:08   low-power version 1 reactor for reasons [TS]

01:15:10   that are not really that well explained [TS]

01:15:12   like oh its new we just want tested a [TS]

01:15:14   little bit of whatever but i think that [TS]

01:15:15   works so well because i'm so glad that [TS]

01:15:17   the star was running around blowing up [TS]

01:15:19   planets you're like wait a second like [TS]

01:15:20   wasn't Alderaan supposed to be the [TS]

01:15:22   demonstration bob was like oh yeah [TS]

01:15:23   another [TS]

01:15:23   was we did these wimpy thanks for and [TS]

01:15:25   the wimpy things are incredibly [TS]

01:15:26   impressive i think it makes a really [TS]

01:15:27   good visuals like blowing up one big [TS]

01:15:30   planet and just having someone in the [TS]

01:15:31   seventies do set off a firecracker [TS]

01:15:33   deposited on top of a picture of a movie [TS]

01:15:36   like that's one thing but this with [TS]

01:15:38   modern effects just blowing up a city [TS]

01:15:41   and just the shock wave coming from an [TS]

01:15:42   area incredibly destructive established [TS]

01:15:44   early on that you really feel like the [TS]

01:15:46   Kyber crystals and all that stuff like [TS]

01:15:47   that was a significant you know a thing [TS]

01:15:50   to blow up and then then you know what's [TS]

01:15:52   coming in the climax you know what [TS]

01:15:54   they're gonna do and if you just had a [TS]

01:15:56   blow-up the whole planet it's not as [TS]

01:15:57   much understand that as much fun but it [TS]

01:15:59   doesn't make for as much drama as just [TS]

01:16:01   blowing up the city it left their beasts [TS]

01:16:03   survivors right i mean you have these [TS]

01:16:05   people that see the city on Jetta get [TS]

01:16:07   blown up and some people get away and [TS]

01:16:09   it's like those are people that will [TS]

01:16:11   never you know that they are now there [TS]

01:16:13   are no longer like well you know the [TS]

01:16:15   Empire's pretty bad but I don't know if [TS]

01:16:16   I can do anything about it lyrics your [TS]

01:16:18   local systems in line [TS]

01:16:19   yeah I just let or more radicalized them [TS]

01:16:21   execute yeah I'm just glad they actually [TS]

01:16:23   had to source the television control [TS]

01:16:25   panels together he throws CRT [TS]

01:16:28   preparation together they did not change [TS]

01:16:29   any of that except for shooting again [TS]

01:16:31   with better cameras and yes I was [TS]

01:16:33   wondering if if they actually use the [TS]

01:16:35   footage I kept looking at him like is [TS]

01:16:36   that the exact footage they recreate it [TS]

01:16:38   so perfectly that my same piece and [TS]

01:16:40   everything yeah just sort of takes us [TS]

01:16:42   back to two references to the larger [TS]

01:16:44   universe but the fact that we have this [TS]

01:16:46   stuff seven jetta you know this is the [TS]

01:16:49   this is the original Jedi Temple [TS]

01:16:52   basically like the names are connected [TS]

01:16:55   that the Jedi from jetta this is all [TS]

01:16:59   connected and i like that i like the [TS]

01:17:02   dimension of the Kyber crystals i like [TS]

01:17:05   the idea that there are there are force [TS]

01:17:08   you know force monks force believers who [TS]

01:17:10   are not Jedi but they're like the [TS]

01:17:12   guardians of the temple and stuff i [TS]

01:17:13   thought that was really cool that's [TS]

01:17:14   where we see that's Donnie Yen that do [TS]

01:17:17   cool who is super cool right and but i [TS]

01:17:20   also like that he is praying with force [TS]

01:17:22   and that's like he's a force monk kind [TS]

01:17:25   of you know not a Jedi but he's a force [TS]

01:17:27   believing in the Jedi kind of [TS]

01:17:29   traditional religious order he sort of [TS]

01:17:32   like all that's left and it's and that [TS]

01:17:34   there's that shot of the the desert with [TS]

01:17:36   the with [TS]

01:17:37   giant statue like Lord of the Rings [TS]

01:17:38   style statue accepted to laying you know [TS]

01:17:40   it's down in the desert with dust all [TS]

01:17:42   over it like all of all of that was cool [TS]

01:17:45   just to give you again that sense like [TS]

01:17:47   the Jedi used to be something big but [TS]

01:17:49   something really bad happened and now [TS]

01:17:51   they're just sort of fading away into [TS]

01:17:52   history and being suppressed by the [TS]

01:17:54   Empire much more of the vibe that you [TS]

01:17:57   get from Han Solo saying you know I [TS]

01:17:59   don't believe that stuff about those [TS]

01:18:01   ancient religions and stuff like that i [TS]

01:18:02   think that's cool well I just merge two [TS]

01:18:05   different things together there because [TS]

01:18:06   it's the Empire guy who says Vader has a [TS]

01:18:08   stupid agent religion and I i got there [TS]

01:18:10   i got their star wars nerds calm down [TS]

01:18:12   but you get my point like in Star Wars [TS]

01:18:14   Jedi seems like old and and people don't [TS]

01:18:18   even believe that it was real and then [TS]

01:18:20   the prequels like there are jet you bump [TS]

01:18:22   into a Jedi on almost every corner and [TS]

01:18:25   this restored that kind of mystical [TS]

01:18:27   weird mysterious aspect to them in a [TS]

01:18:30   cool way I thought that was good and [TS]

01:18:32   onion is great even our force monk even [TS]

01:18:35   donnie yen was like he wasn't just uh I [TS]

01:18:38   have the forest and I'm super confident [TS]

01:18:40   you could tell his faith was shaken too [TS]

01:18:42   shaken by the fact that the Empire has [TS]

01:18:44   taken over shaken by like that he knows [TS]

01:18:46   he's not a Jedi yet so half the time [TS]

01:18:48   he's trying to convince himself that you [TS]

01:18:50   know the forces with him right he has [TS]

01:18:52   any repeats this little thing like he he [TS]

01:18:54   seems he seems uncertain like i like [TS]

01:18:56   everyone this movie there there put upon [TS]

01:18:59   by the Empire they're not they're not [TS]

01:19:01   confident in their place and things that [TS]

01:19:03   they once that once hung their hat on [TS]

01:19:05   are now everything everything's up for [TS]

01:19:06   grabs and when they blow up the whole [TS]

01:19:08   city is just like that was that all they [TS]

01:19:10   had left was like they used to be [TS]

01:19:11   guarded temple that was looking over the [TS]

01:19:12   guards they looted all the Kyber [TS]

01:19:14   crystals which apparently power the [TS]

01:19:15   Death Star and they're they're just so [TS]

01:19:18   so did downtrodden and like it to see [TS]

01:19:21   him try to fuck himself up and to use [TS]

01:19:24   what little for sensitivity has to to [TS]

01:19:26   get things done and to eventually be [TS]

01:19:28   motivated to sacrifice themselves like [TS]

01:19:30   all the little bits and pieces are there [TS]

01:19:32   for us to every characters movie has an [TS]

01:19:36   explicable motivation that is at the [TS]

01:19:38   very least hinted at in the movie i [TS]

01:19:40   don't think they do a good job of [TS]

01:19:41   nailing all them down but there is [TS]

01:19:43   there's enough there for you to hang [TS]

01:19:44   your head can on for every single one of [TS]

01:19:46   them [TS]

01:19:46   even like you know from the Imperial [TS]

01:19:48   pilot to the you know that the other [TS]

01:19:50   random people like but do I i wish i [TS]

01:19:54   wish they had picked like seven of them [TS]

01:19:55   and like you know they had enough lines [TS]

01:19:57   that have enough time to do it in the [TS]

01:19:58   movie they just didn't quite nail and a [TS]

01:20:00   lot of that could have been reading and [TS]

01:20:02   making a lot of the character spend a [TS]

01:20:04   lot of time doing exposition to explain [TS]

01:20:05   what needs to get to wear that was time [TS]

01:20:08   that could have been better spent [TS]

01:20:09   telling us like it's hit you know it's [TS]

01:20:11   hinted at this is this character's [TS]

01:20:13   motivation give me give me two lines or [TS]

01:20:16   an exchange and a look that they really [TS]

01:20:19   nailed that down so i don't have to [TS]

01:20:20   invent it all myself I want to know more [TS]

01:20:21   about children and bays in five to have [TS]

01:20:24   a whole nother move to do that i'd be [TS]

01:20:25   happy with that [TS]

01:20:26   oh my God look guys look like they have [TS]

01:20:28   fun i really enjoyed reading the [TS]

01:20:31   novelization for rogue one because it [TS]

01:20:34   gave me like oh I want to know more [TS]

01:20:37   about these characters but clearly it's [TS]

01:20:39   impossible to give fleshed-out [TS]

01:20:40   backstories for 14 characters in a [TS]

01:20:43   two-and-a-half-hour movie high and I [TS]

01:20:46   appreciated that it that is available to [TS]

01:20:49   those who want it I'd imagine there will [TS]

01:20:51   be some really interesting ancillary [TS]

01:20:54   media in the future about these [TS]

01:20:56   characters about what led them to this [TS]

01:20:58   movie i would think right i think so i [TS]

01:21:01   would I mean now that the guardians of [TS]

01:21:03   the Wills our cannon [TS]

01:21:05   yeah it's not fun ones cool it's cool i [TS]

01:21:08   like that a lot [TS]

01:21:09   I like that whole the whole feel of that [TS]

01:21:10   at every stores it's like John said [TS]

01:21:13   about Darth Vader is like whatever [TS]

01:21:15   happened in the prequels it's like that [TS]

01:21:17   all feels like the force and the Jedi [TS]

01:21:20   and stuff like that felt like in Star [TS]

01:21:22   Wars right like that that is the feeling [TS]

01:21:25   that broke one gives us and that's I [TS]

01:21:28   mean we've been talking about this a lot [TS]

01:21:29   but I mean that's the this is this this [TS]

01:21:32   takes place right before literally right [TS]

01:21:35   before Star Wars starts this is a period [TS]

01:21:38   piece but it is matching the period in [TS]

01:21:41   Star Wars lower of of the original film [TS]

01:21:45   of Star Wars and that's cut its kind of [TS]

01:21:48   delightful to be able to play in that in [TS]

01:21:51   that period it's not like the prequels [TS]

01:21:52   which were set set you know decades you [TS]

01:21:55   know decade or two beforehand [TS]

01:21:57   this is right up against her [TS]

01:21:59   word up against a movie that we all know [TS]

01:22:01   so well and you know yeah that that it's [TS]

01:22:06   pretty great [TS]

01:22:07   one thing that I want to mention is lots [TS]

01:22:09   of settings we talked about the labels [TS]

01:22:11   early out it seems like there maybe [TS]

01:22:13   maybe there was too much or maybe it was [TS]

01:22:16   just that there were labels and stuff [TS]

01:22:17   like that and the the rainy painting [TS]

01:22:19   there were maybe a few too much or maybe [TS]

01:22:21   it was that they didn't need maybe they [TS]

01:22:23   felt more because they were named right [TS]

01:22:25   that was like I mean rings of carefree [TS]

01:22:28   and where he he should wear casio shoots [TS]

01:22:31   his his his a contact there to get away [TS]

01:22:33   and then we never go back [TS]

01:22:35   right right i mean a frog's intensive [TS]

01:22:39   there's live on you know live a la roux [TS]

01:22:42   which will never go back yeah you know I [TS]

01:22:46   forget the name of the radio planet but [TS]

01:22:49   it's a lot right because I mean it's [TS]

01:22:51   jetta java dance Cara for the big places [TS]

01:22:54   but it's like we're also going to check [TS]

01:22:55   it on 45 other little place yes the [TS]

01:22:57   rainy planet that was actually a thing [TS]

01:22:59   that I felt like I i don't know whether [TS]

01:23:00   that was again it's in my head now about [TS]

01:23:03   like they did the reshoots and that the [TS]

01:23:05   trailer doesn't really match the movie [TS]

01:23:06   but like the reigning planet something [TS]

01:23:08   about it sort of set me off and it's not [TS]

01:23:10   that it wasn't good stuff but I felt [TS]

01:23:12   like it felt like weird structurally [TS]

01:23:15   like I felt like the movie wanted to [TS]

01:23:18   jump from from a jetta to the to the [TS]

01:23:24   base to the whatever the name of that [TS]

01:23:26   other planet is the beach planet [TS]

01:23:29   uh-hum and and it didn't write instead [TS]

01:23:33   we had this like side mission which was [TS]

01:23:37   to the bit like we we know where the [TS]

01:23:39   plans are but we're not going to wear [TS]

01:23:41   the plans are because instead we're [TS]

01:23:43   going to go kill Galen or so and [TS]

01:23:45   thankfully the main bad guy will also be [TS]

01:23:47   there while we're doing our side [TS]

01:23:48   missions to make it feel like it's [TS]

01:23:50   connected to the plot it [TS]

01:23:51   yeah it was connected because the the [TS]

01:23:53   was named chronic was there to like [TS]

01:23:55   because he got reprimanded for something [TS]

01:23:57   going wrong and he's going to go [TS]

01:23:59   Days underlying you know credit logs a [TS]

01:24:01   lot of miles in this [TS]

01:24:02   yeah well beyond he's gotta leave it's [TS]

01:24:04   rolling downhill and he's gonna set [TS]

01:24:06   things straight over there like you have [TS]

01:24:07   to have some place for her father to die [TS]

01:24:09   and i don't know where else you would [TS]

01:24:11   you would shoot this because this is [TS]

01:24:13   where he is apparently and so having [TS]

01:24:15   both convergently I think the thing that [TS]

01:24:16   should emphasize more is that I said it [TS]

01:24:19   before but they don't really didn't [TS]

01:24:20   really put a pin on in the movie that [TS]

01:24:22   the rebels are obsessed with killing [TS]

01:24:24   Galen because they think he is essential [TS]

01:24:26   for building this weapon but their [TS]

01:24:28   intelligence is really old they've [TS]

01:24:30   already built it [TS]

01:24:30   it's done like so their obsession with [TS]

01:24:32   kill ya RAB session with killing Galen [TS]

01:24:34   is just because they have crappy [TS]

01:24:36   intelligence and so the whole mission he [TS]

01:24:38   sent on like you know that the his look [TS]

01:24:41   first of all the training command [TS]

01:24:41   sterilized I whispers tonight you're on [TS]

01:24:43   this mission by the way you see you see [TS]

01:24:45   gallon just kill him i'm giving me i'm [TS]

01:24:46   giving his unilateral water i guess he's [TS]

01:24:48   at he's part of that some faction so [TS]

01:24:49   he'll take that order from him despite [TS]

01:24:51   the fact that in the room [TS]

01:24:52   this wasn't what was agreed upon is the [TS]

01:24:54   plan they have real command control [TS]

01:24:55   problems in the rebellion at but but yea [TS]

01:24:58   big head [TS]

01:24:59   it's totally pointless because it's [TS]

01:25:02   pointless because they just don't know [TS]

01:25:03   which is fine like I think that that is [TS]

01:25:05   a that that's a realistic depiction of a [TS]

01:25:07   rebellion that has been intelligence [TS]

01:25:08   right but it should be clear to the [TS]

01:25:11   audience more during the mission that oh [TS]

01:25:14   and by the way we both know that their [TS]

01:25:16   mission that this is this is a foolish [TS]

01:25:18   mission anyway and i think that would [TS]

01:25:20   add an extra aspect to him deciding [TS]

01:25:22   where he's going to fire like he he's [TS]

01:25:23   got a he's got to decide what he wants [TS]

01:25:25   to do it but also we the audience should [TS]

01:25:26   know [TS]

01:25:27   and by the way it doesn't matter which [TS]

01:25:29   we kind of do no but they don't they [TS]

01:25:30   don't put a pin in so I feel like this [TS]

01:25:32   there's a lot of things in the plot that [TS]

01:25:33   I think I watched with a nonsense star [TS]

01:25:37   wars nerd i would have to explain [TS]

01:25:38   afterwards just how the basics of the [TS]

01:25:40   plot fit together because it's kind of [TS]

01:25:44   all over the place and he really you [TS]

01:25:46   really have to be the kind of person who [TS]

01:25:47   is trying to stitch it together to make [TS]

01:25:50   you here like the threat is there you [TS]

01:25:51   can see the through line but it just it [TS]

01:25:53   just doesn't snap together that well [TS]

01:25:54   yeah i'm not sure the trip to Rainey [TS]

01:25:59   planet is necessary from a plot [TS]

01:26:02   standpoint at all [TS]

01:26:04   oh how do you killed items necessary for [TS]

01:26:06   well but its necessary because you don't [TS]

01:26:07   need to kill Galen I think it's [TS]

01:26:09   necessary for a character wait for Jon [TS]

01:26:12   I'm a character standpoint to have those [TS]

01:26:14   scenes and I understand why they're [TS]

01:26:15   there because it informs the [TS]

01:26:17   relationship between june and Cassie and [TS]

01:26:19   it allows us to see Galen or so and for [TS]

01:26:22   him to have a last moment with his [TS]

01:26:24   daughter we get to seek Rennicks [TS]

01:26:25   relationship with Kailyn and how [TS]

01:26:27   frustrated that is you know and how he [TS]

01:26:30   knows now that he's been portrayed and [TS]

01:26:32   it drives it a dotted line all the way [TS]

01:26:34   back the first scene of the movie all of [TS]

01:26:37   those reasons are there I just you know [TS]

01:26:39   the end yet part of me is thinking I'm [TS]

01:26:42   not quite sure why they aren't just [TS]

01:26:44   going to get the plans now and you know [TS]

01:26:49   it's because the movie needs our [TS]

01:26:50   characters to have good character stuff [TS]

01:26:52   so we have to make a stop for character [TS]

01:26:55   admit is that it's the wrongheaded [TS]

01:26:56   mission to kill whoever his directory [TS]

01:26:58   where the guy was who whispers to him [TS]

01:26:59   before he gets on it that's his he [TS]

01:27:01   thinks he's doing the right thing [TS]

01:27:03   because he says this is what we forget [TS]

01:27:04   about what they're saying they think we [TS]

01:27:05   have to get the plan that's all [TS]

01:27:06   pipedream we need to kill this guy [TS]

01:27:08   because we don't kill this guy they're [TS]

01:27:09   gonna build a super weapon which is [TS]

01:27:10   wrong but they don't know it but that's [TS]

01:27:12   that's the futility of their mission [TS]

01:27:14   that's that I think it fits into his [TS]

01:27:15   like following artist type of thing that [TS]

01:27:17   it should be further emphasized that he [TS]

01:27:19   is blindly following orders and in this [TS]

01:27:21   case with the audience know these orders [TS]

01:27:22   are stupid and like education said they [TS]

01:27:24   should just go get those but we know [TS]

01:27:25   that because we know how the next movie [TS]

01:27:26   goes and we know they should be getting [TS]

01:27:27   the plans but if I i think that would [TS]

01:27:31   fit better if they really emphasize the [TS]

01:27:35   idea that they really emphasize the [TS]

01:27:38   futility of this mission and that would [TS]

01:27:40   make us feel better when things circle [TS]

01:27:42   back around and they finally go on the [TS]

01:27:43   mission that we know they need to go on [TS]

01:27:44   and if you have to have almost character [TS]

01:27:46   ones happen i'm not sure where you get [TS]

01:27:48   all those characters to come together if [TS]

01:27:50   not in a in a third location then [TS]

01:27:53   honestly I really like the x-wings [TS]

01:27:56   flying through a range valleys at night [TS]

01:27:58   so I get a lot of lovely way again not [TS]

01:28:01   not not a plot reason just cool well but [TS]

01:28:04   lazy you have to kill him right so let's [TS]

01:28:05   plot plot reason is killing you got to [TS]

01:28:07   get him off the table he can't be alive [TS]

01:28:08   at the end of the movie for some reunion [TS]

01:28:10   is gonna be a reason it's not funny it's [TS]

01:28:12   gonna be the best care for something [TS]

01:28:13   yeah but he could've been one of the [TS]

01:28:15   simple reason is he could have been on [TS]

01:28:16   the Death Star [TS]

01:28:18   yeah it well but the thing is it's scary [TS]

01:28:22   she's a loose [TS]

01:28:23   I'm okay with him already being killed [TS]

01:28:25   like I would have been okay with credit [TS]

01:28:28   already target or somebody killing him [TS]

01:28:30   because right because he leaked the [TS]

01:28:34   pilot or something like that you have to [TS]

01:28:35   have an outdoor choose not to kill him [TS]

01:28:37   that [TS]

01:28:38   yeah i think i'm coming around on [TS]

01:28:39   actually i was down there and I feel [TS]

01:28:41   like now hearing hearing hearing you [TS]

01:28:43   talk about it and they need them you [TS]

01:28:45   know I refer to it as a side mission but [TS]

01:28:47   it's like they need the little mission [TS]

01:28:49   where they come together i mean because [TS]

01:28:51   just escaping jetta apparently that's [TS]

01:28:53   not enough they need to be they need to [TS]

01:28:55   be a team they need to be forged in the [TS]

01:28:57   fire of this little mini mission before [TS]

01:28:59   they can feel committed to go on the [TS]

01:29:01   date range of many missions where they [TS]

01:29:02   also don't work together as a team as [TS]

01:29:04   like you stay at the ship but she [TS]

01:29:06   disobeys and she's like that's how they [TS]

01:29:07   have to come together [TS]

01:29:08   I'm gonna park the ship everybody stay [TS]

01:29:09   here I'll be back and everybody leaves [TS]

01:29:12   the ship at once [TS]

01:29:13   yeah that's exactly what she did with [TS]

01:29:15   her you know that's that's our family [TS]

01:29:17   think of it the first time the movie was [TS]

01:29:18   like okay you stay here [TS]

01:29:19   the mom doesn't stay and you know it is [TS]

01:29:21   the daughter like it's the family they [TS]

01:29:23   don't follow that with instructions [TS]

01:29:25   yes i would just stay put but that's [TS]

01:29:27   what brings them together like [TS]

01:29:28   eventually that that you know that that [TS]

01:29:30   all goes disastrously wrong and what [TS]

01:29:32   nobody wants to happen is what happens [TS]

01:29:34   like he was supposed to go there to kill [TS]

01:29:35   Whelan any chooses not to then [TS]

01:29:38   calculates killed anyone so Jin said did [TS]

01:29:41   her dad was scaled like is it all goes [TS]

01:29:42   to crap but out of that comes their [TS]

01:29:44   understanding that they're going to work [TS]

01:29:45   together and their their plan on scarify [TS]

01:29:48   thought was a pretty good plan explained [TS]

01:29:50   yeah perhaps little laborious Lee but [TS]

01:29:53   executed well and again geography wise [TS]

01:29:55   you could see their little you know make [TS]

01:29:56   ten men seem like a hundred you could [TS]

01:29:58   end and seeing it's fun to see chronic [TS]

01:30:01   getting flustered when like yeah it [TS]

01:30:04   looks out the window and it does look [TS]

01:30:05   like they're in a bad situation we know [TS]

01:30:07   it's just these all got these guys you [TS]

01:30:08   know they had they had a good plan they [TS]

01:30:10   executed pretty well [TS]

01:30:11   it killed all of them you know the [TS]

01:30:14   garrison it its rights all that is good [TS]

01:30:17   if I had if I had any gentle complained [TS]

01:30:21   about the stuff on scared because i do [TS]

01:30:22   think that it is really executed pretty [TS]

01:30:24   well is that I kind of was hoping that [TS]

01:30:26   the data bank thing would have been a [TS]

01:30:29   little more [TS]

01:30:30   our heist e then it was yeah that the [TS]

01:30:33   the distraction outside was great but on [TS]

01:30:36   the inside it in there wasn't a whole [TS]

01:30:38   lot of excitement they sort of like go [TS]

01:30:41   into a room and and their droid it [TS]

01:30:44   punches at a computer and they figure it [TS]

01:30:47   out and I I was kinda hoping that they [TS]

01:30:49   would have some more like razzle-dazzle [TS]

01:30:51   at the base of events you want to see [TS]

01:30:53   these people walking their climate [TS]

01:30:54   events yes well I don't know where was I [TS]

01:30:56   think a gadget they have to do that does [TS]

01:30:58   a thing that doesn't it is without event [TS]

01:31:00   yeah this is the worst movie I've ever [TS]

01:31:02   seen with the distraction actually works [TS]

01:31:03   perfect [TS]

01:31:04   that's true for point of the guards run [TS]

01:31:06   out of the building immediately [TS]

01:31:08   mission accomplished that was the great [TS]

01:31:09   thing about their plan they knew they [TS]

01:31:10   would come out and so by the time they [TS]

01:31:12   come out every single person in there in [TS]

01:31:15   there are sort of distraction team is [TS]

01:31:17   waiting with their guns pointed at one [TS]

01:31:18   door that's going to open their know [TS]

01:31:20   they're nowhere else to be found was [TS]

01:31:21   almost time charges i did laugh at the [TS]

01:31:23   there's a scene where they he asked the [TS]

01:31:25   pilot to go up connect them to the [TS]

01:31:27   transmitter and he gets the cord and the [TS]

01:31:29   courts to short and he runs and kind of [TS]

01:31:32   like goes Boing and gets it but he's [TS]

01:31:34   like yeah you know chords are never long [TS]

01:31:36   enough he added brain sucked out by a [TS]

01:31:38   magic octopus he's still not there was [TS]

01:31:40   another thing that was me I'd walk out [TS]

01:31:42   the measured value place usually is just [TS]

01:31:45   it was unnecessary is that to explain to [TS]

01:31:47   me and is a sound wacky because he [TS]

01:31:49   wasn't that wacky well no i think i got [TS]

01:31:52   it i think it was it was a short hand [TS]

01:31:55   wave to show that saw Herrera means [TS]

01:31:57   business and his paranoid and you know [TS]

01:32:00   hardliner but I feel like we get the [TS]

01:32:02   heart we get it from his his operatives [TS]

01:32:06   you know bombing people in the [TS]

01:32:08   marketplace I don't think we need to see [TS]

01:32:10   him being crazy and hyper paranoid [TS]

01:32:13   because it doesn't serve the story in [TS]

01:32:15   any way [TS]

01:32:15   no well you would have to change what i [TS]

01:32:17   thought was going to happen is that [TS]

01:32:19   character the Imperial pilot whatever [TS]

01:32:20   his name is that after his experience [TS]

01:32:22   with the tentacle thing and being sort [TS]

01:32:24   of catatonic and I think that for the [TS]

01:32:26   rest of the movie would be a character [TS]

01:32:28   who seems not right in the head for the [TS]

01:32:31   whole rest of the movie but he was a [TS]

01:32:33   scam added and and was the character [TS]

01:32:35   that he was before so if you're gonna do [TS]

01:32:37   that [TS]

01:32:37   what's the point like was that could be [TS]

01:32:39   a valid way to go that he is he is the [TS]

01:32:41   member of your team [TS]

01:32:42   you're not quite sure is [TS]

01:32:43   got it all together and is not [TS]

01:32:45   particularly reliable but every once in [TS]

01:32:47   a while like his competence shines [TS]

01:32:49   through like that's that's a good [TS]

01:32:50   character to do they didn't do that and [TS]

01:32:52   so if you're not going to do that I [TS]

01:32:53   don't need to see the tentacle beasts [TS]

01:32:54   they didn't do it well but I think he's [TS]

01:32:56   also like he is the easy to defector [TS]

01:32:59   from the Imperial right like he is [TS]

01:33:01   somebody who had bought into the Empire [TS]

01:33:03   and has has changed his life and toning [TS]

01:33:05   or something and so he has to be that I [TS]

01:33:07   mean I think that didn't get played up [TS]

01:33:09   really at all [TS]

01:33:10   I mean there's a little bit where you [TS]

01:33:12   know he gets kind of beat-up by soccer's [TS]

01:33:14   group when he is thinks he's defected [TS]

01:33:17   and they talk about we captured means [TS]

01:33:18   like no I can be you but it gets it gets [TS]

01:33:21   lost in the shuffle because it felt like [TS]

01:33:24   there's a version of this works like we [TS]

01:33:26   want to show you the different like [TS]

01:33:27   flavors of who ends up in the rebellion [TS]

01:33:29   right you know Jen who saw her parents [TS]

01:33:32   get killed by the Empire basically and [TS]

01:33:33   you know these this this monk and these [TS]

01:33:37   other assassins and whatnot and then [TS]

01:33:38   this person who was actually like an [TS]

01:33:40   imperial and has defected but it gets [TS]

01:33:42   that there's not time to tell me a story [TS]

01:33:44   well the thing is they spend a lot of [TS]

01:33:46   time and that's why i keep going back to [TS]

01:33:47   civil war like the amount of time he [TS]

01:33:48   gets the number of lines you get the [TS]

01:33:50   scenes he gets the things he does it's [TS]

01:33:52   plenty of time to establish all this [TS]

01:33:54   they did but they they spend their their [TS]

01:33:56   their feet of you know footage as if [TS]

01:33:59   they have more time than they do they [TS]

01:34:01   have a you think they give so much time [TS]

01:34:03   of his capture and the whole thing [TS]

01:34:05   whatever that we need 18 of that to [TS]

01:34:09   understand that same thing with the [TS]

01:34:10   tentacle piece like you can establish [TS]

01:34:12   that point without the luxury of these [TS]

01:34:14   long drawn-out scenes which again many [TS]

01:34:16   of them are beautifully shopper but then [TS]

01:34:17   you would then after they spent all that [TS]

01:34:19   footage now you don't have time now [TS]

01:34:21   you've spent all your time there was [TS]

01:34:22   plenty of time there [TS]

01:34:23   you need a bony Brooke origin story [TS]

01:34:25   movie where we see him working as a [TS]

01:34:27   general pilot finding out how awful his [TS]

01:34:29   bosses what I got out of it here's what [TS]

01:34:31   I here's my headcanon for this has [TS]

01:34:33   hinted at by a few lines here and there [TS]

01:34:34   gets all I've got the gun in the movie [TS]

01:34:36   is that he Galen befriended him [TS]

01:34:40   and this pilot started to confide in [TS]

01:34:42   Galen that he wasn't feeling so good [TS]

01:34:44   about some of the things that he done [TS]

01:34:45   and because we know gallon is secretly [TS]

01:34:47   against the Empire the whole time he's [TS]

01:34:48   there was a sympathetic ear and [TS]

01:34:51   eventually like they came together [TS]

01:34:53   realize you know that like the gallon [TS]

01:34:56   not that again turned him but that he [TS]

01:34:57   was he recruited him to to defect [TS]

01:35:00   essentially by being the the shoulder to [TS]

01:35:02   cry on the person listen to about his [TS]

01:35:04   problems and eventually was convinced to [TS]

01:35:06   help him in his mission and that's [TS]

01:35:07   that's the story of this person that he [TS]

01:35:09   is he's making up for his sins of the [TS]

01:35:10   past and that's that's my headcanon for [TS]

01:35:13   what why did he change his mind why did [TS]

01:35:15   he defect [TS]

01:35:16   it's hard when it's like what are his [TS]

01:35:18   sins though because we like he said he's [TS]

01:35:20   a bus driver in space i am now Busta [TS]

01:35:22   Imperial bus drivers are killing people [TS]

01:35:23   all the time just not like an assassin [TS]

01:35:25   evil buses they were evil buses Tony I [TS]

01:35:27   thought they were spooky full of evil [TS]

01:35:29   people give us [TS]

01:35:29   yeah i mean even if you just shipping [TS]

01:35:31   things off of the planet where you know [TS]

01:35:32   the people are being oppressed killed if [TS]

01:35:34   they do before we take all these [TS]

01:35:36   Christmas out of me can someone go [TS]

01:35:37   through and colleges jedi-like and then [TS]

01:35:38   you're just waiting in the bus idling [TS]

01:35:40   for the love the crystals you still feel [TS]

01:35:42   like they're killing the you know [TS]

01:35:43   everybody in the town like it is there [TS]

01:35:46   is this nice thing where it's like we [TS]

01:35:47   literally take the things that power the [TS]

01:35:49   jedis lightsabers and use them to build [TS]

01:35:51   this weapon that we will destroy the [TS]

01:35:52   Jedi Temple with ya although I uses them [TS]

01:35:54   as fuel not as I'd like using this tool [TS]

01:35:57   like that's a totally an imperial thing [TS]

01:35:58   to do it like that so wasteful like that [TS]

01:36:00   they don't they don't get used up in the [TS]

01:36:01   lightsabers they just sit there but [TS]

01:36:03   you're gonna use that like I could [TS]

01:36:04   picture then grinding them up and like [TS]

01:36:05   this this paste and then just putting [TS]

01:36:07   into the big bats and let you fire once [TS]

01:36:09   they're all empty and it's like well [TS]

01:36:10   mark I've crystals they're focusing [TS]

01:36:12   crystals they're not they're not fuel [TS]

01:36:14   that's it's a giant focusing crystal [TS]

01:36:16   that they're trying to like meld kybers [TS]

01:36:19   together and make it [TS]

01:36:21   no no it's horrible for the environment [TS]

01:36:22   though in the movie they said it was [TS]

01:36:24   fuel which didn't make sense to me i'm [TS]

01:36:25   glad the novelization clarified this is [TS]

01:36:27   what imagine trying to place a [TS]

01:36:28   lightsaber except now make the crystal [TS]

01:36:31   300 times bigger and try to make it fire [TS]

01:36:37   a weapon of it and the more i think [TS]

01:36:39   about gallant like I like that actor and [TS]

01:36:41   you mad about mad star mad about Matt's [TS]

01:36:43   always so yeah [TS]

01:36:45   a mad about mad gotta love that [TS]

01:36:46   reference acknowledge the fact that he [TS]

01:36:48   realized that his realization is that he [TS]

01:36:50   he was smart enough to know before they [TS]

01:36:52   did that they can accomplish it without [TS]

01:36:53   him but he knows they're gonna do it [TS]

01:36:56   anyway and that's why he has to go back [TS]

01:36:57   I thought that was all all very clever [TS]

01:37:00   and so well done and that they did spend [TS]

01:37:01   a lot of time on that and i think that [TS]

01:37:03   was mostly like the whole beginning of [TS]

01:37:04   the movie spools out a little bit slowly [TS]

01:37:06   in the kind of same way of trying to [TS]

01:37:08   establish James backstory in the same [TS]

01:37:11   way that they established ray by letting [TS]

01:37:13   us see what day and life is like to get [TS]

01:37:16   to know who she was an establishment [TS]

01:37:17   gallon and in that respect it's kinda [TS]

01:37:19   disappointing that we don't get to see [TS]

01:37:20   gallon again until his death scene and [TS]

01:37:23   then one flashback yeah I think he what [TS]

01:37:24   is a really interesting character and [TS]

01:37:28   they just don't have time is so many [TS]

01:37:30   characters if there is too much that's [TS]

01:37:32   why I wish that he had been somewhere [TS]

01:37:34   like on the death star because i think [TS]

01:37:35   that seeing him interact sort of like at [TS]

01:37:37   the workplace and not just as often a [TS]

01:37:39   brainy place where they keep scientists [TS]

01:37:41   that that might have been more [TS]

01:37:43   interesting way to see sort of what he [TS]

01:37:45   was up to but alas we don't get too [TS]

01:37:47   that's not what we have to say I likely [TS]

01:37:48   killed all that has killed his whole [TS]

01:37:49   team of scientists because he was angry [TS]

01:37:51   like he didn't need to kill them it [TS]

01:37:52   wasn't a lesson for anybody [TS]

01:37:54   he just he didn't want to kill his [TS]

01:37:55   friend and you need to put together his [TS]

01:37:57   anger out of his system and they were [TS]

01:37:58   they were done with these scientists [TS]

01:38:00   anyway so I'm really impressed that they [TS]

01:38:01   got that new duck death start time for [TS]

01:38:03   Jedi when they killed all the engineers [TS]

01:38:06   and blew up the base with head of the [TS]

01:38:08   bands yeah well they have that the bug [TS]

01:38:11   planet i still have some backups we [TS]

01:38:12   should have gone there so the heavily [TS]

01:38:14   defended library beach planet then let's [TS]

01:38:16   not go back there please no there's [TS]

01:38:18   nowhere to returning to the anything [TS]

01:38:19   from the prequels they would have to [TS]

01:38:20   play that Mary level again with the [TS]

01:38:22   conductor help [TS]

01:38:23   alright uh we'll go around one last time [TS]

01:38:26   and I mean I'm interested in hearing [TS]

01:38:29   from all of you [TS]

01:38:30   the thing you liked the most about rogue [TS]

01:38:33   one serenity I appreciate that it was a [TS]

01:38:37   film that wasn't afraid in terms of the [TS]

01:38:39   drastic nature of the rebellion i'm [TS]

01:38:43   especially in context with some [TS]

01:38:46   real-world events [TS]

01:38:48   I'm it's like watching watching the [TS]

01:38:51   scenes of jetta so soon after the final [TS]

01:38:55   sort of showdowns going on in Aleppo [TS]

01:38:57   right now had a very realistic feel [TS]

01:39:00   about civil factions warring I'm as did [TS]

01:39:05   some of the other battles and I calling [TS]

01:39:09   to mind guerrilla warfare and it's it's [TS]

01:39:12   interesting to see a film that I urs [TS]

01:39:15   film series that i normally think of as [TS]

01:39:17   escapism really kind of dive into [TS]

01:39:20   playing with not just you know very real [TS]

01:39:24   subjects but pulling them off [TS]

01:39:26   effectively and while i completely agree [TS]

01:39:30   that like little bits of this film [TS]

01:39:31   didn't work i think the core message I [TS]

01:39:34   comes through very effectively and they [TS]

01:39:37   they picked some damn good actors to [TS]

01:39:40   make it work [TS]

01:39:41   Monty what about you like Ren what I [TS]

01:39:42   liked was the stakes specifically that [TS]

01:39:45   they were actually willing in what is [TS]

01:39:48   basically a kids movie franchise to kill [TS]

01:39:51   everybody yeah and not just kill them [TS]

01:39:53   off screen show each of the main [TS]

01:39:56   characters who we have come to like and [TS]

01:39:58   ideally love just died in front of us [TS]

01:40:02   that was such a big move for me I i feel [TS]

01:40:05   like i had this like emotional arc win [TS]

01:40:07   like you know k2 dies and i was like oh [TS]

01:40:09   that's sad but I feel like this is kind [TS]

01:40:11   of a cop-out is your to have the robot [TS]

01:40:13   get killed and maybe he'll be okay later [TS]

01:40:15   because he's a robot and then when the [TS]

01:40:18   body dies when the teardrop ship but [TS]

01:40:20   they're gonna escape and blows up it's [TS]

01:40:22   like oh maybe none of them are getting [TS]

01:40:24   out of this right and and then and then [TS]

01:40:26   seeing that realized I was not I was not [TS]

01:40:29   prepared for that I guess we're [TS]

01:40:30   expecting that and that was that was [TS]

01:40:32   really affecting there's a moment when [TS]

01:40:34   they was when the shield goes up where I [TS]

01:40:38   think in the tower [TS]

01:40:39   Jen Cashin are talking and and said no [TS]

01:40:42   words that mean it's basically we're not [TS]

01:40:44   getting out of here and i thought [TS]

01:40:45   they're all gonna die [TS]

01:40:46   that's it like I thought they probably [TS]

01:40:48   were all going to die or I I think I [TS]

01:40:50   thought most of them were going to die [TS]

01:40:51   and then when that happened I was like [TS]

01:40:53   oh no that said that this this is [TS]

01:40:54   they're all going to die [TS]

01:40:56   I thought they wanted you to think that [TS]

01:40:58   and then there's still there be some [TS]

01:40:59   friendly drop ship waiting for them [TS]

01:41:01   when they you know when they were [TS]

01:41:02   resigned to do you know I mean kind of [TS]

01:41:04   like Jenna you know she's on the season [TS]

01:41:06   like that on the on the catwalk and and [TS]

01:41:08   it looks like chronic is gonna get her [TS]

01:41:10   casket shows up even though we thought [TS]

01:41:11   for sure he was dead [TS]

01:41:13   somebody else is gonna pull up in there [TS]

01:41:14   drop ship to be like need a ride [TS]

01:41:16   it's like know those people are dead he [TS]

01:41:18   was laying on a metal rack that means [TS]

01:41:20   he's dead [TS]

01:41:20   what do you mean he's laying down it [TS]

01:41:22   sounded like he had a lot of things [TS]

01:41:24   tony do you have a favorite thing I you [TS]

01:41:26   know I just like that this was a war [TS]

01:41:28   movie set in the star wars universe and [TS]

01:41:31   it had a lot of the things the fields [TS]

01:41:33   that i really like from clone wars and [TS]

01:41:35   rebels which are shows that i enjoy i [TS]

01:41:39   mean clone wars is a little bit [TS]

01:41:40   sometimes more hit-or-miss there's parts [TS]

01:41:42   of course i do not care for rebels and [TS]

01:41:44   protect Charlotte on [TS]

01:41:45   yeah one of my friends put together a [TS]

01:41:48   really great watch list that I think [TS]

01:41:49   spares you all but what there's one [TS]

01:41:52   charger episode that's like important to [TS]

01:41:53   the metal plot and it's in there and [TS]

01:41:56   it's just like there's a lot of charger [TS]

01:41:57   that that person left off the list [TS]

01:41:59   because yeah that this this had a lot of [TS]

01:42:03   the things that I like about that about [TS]

01:42:05   seeing what the rebellions like and what [TS]

01:42:07   life is like in this universe and you [TS]

01:42:09   know what things are like when there's [TS]

01:42:11   not a general and every street corner [TS]

01:42:12   warning you about the dangers of [TS]

01:42:15   domestics just looking out for your [TS]

01:42:17   health [TS]

01:42:18   yeah John what about you Lamont against [TS]

01:42:20   all mine [TS]

01:42:21   I I like movies that are gritty and [TS]

01:42:25   desperate and the characters in them are [TS]

01:42:27   just like one bad thing happens after [TS]

01:42:30   another and they're fighting the good [TS]

01:42:32   fight but it at every turn they are [TS]

01:42:34   thwarted and things go badly and just [TS]

01:42:37   keep going badly damaged but it's one of [TS]

01:42:39   the reasons i like Empire because that [TS]

01:42:41   happens to our heroes for basically the [TS]

01:42:43   whole movie every one of their victories [TS]

01:42:44   leads to an even larger defeat at and [TS]

01:42:49   because a new hope follows this I wanted [TS]

01:42:52   this movie to be like why do you need a [TS]

01:42:56   new hope because everything went to crap [TS]

01:42:58   in this movie and the only thing you [TS]

01:43:00   have the one glimmer of hope that you [TS]

01:43:02   have at the end of this is that you know [TS]

01:43:04   everything about as badly as it can be [TS]

01:43:06   except that technically we did [TS]

01:43:08   accomplish our mission at tremendous [TS]

01:43:10   cost and I wanted to see that cost up on [TS]

01:43:12   the screen and I [TS]

01:43:13   to feel it so that i could feel hopeful [TS]

01:43:15   for the lead into a new hope and that [TS]

01:43:18   was definitely my favorite thing about [TS]

01:43:20   this movie but because might be stolen [TS]

01:43:21   i'm gonna have a second one which i [TS]

01:43:22   mentioned before i really i really liked [TS]

01:43:25   how this movie was shot i really i [TS]

01:43:29   really liked how the human actors looked [TS]

01:43:32   in the plate in the sets where they were [TS]

01:43:35   whether it was with a fake cg thing [TS]

01:43:38   through a spaceship window behind them [TS]

01:43:40   or on a real beach or on a sound stage [TS]

01:43:44   with a rain machine above them [TS]

01:43:45   I don't care where they are whatever how [TS]

01:43:47   they did it I thought all the scenes [TS]

01:43:50   looked beautiful but the actors look [TS]

01:43:53   beautiful in the scenes so much better [TS]

01:43:55   than the lines they were delivering and [TS]

01:43:58   the plot points that they were just [TS]

01:43:59   missing off center and so when I think [TS]

01:44:02   about this movie in my head I see it as [TS]

01:44:04   as pictures and as a feeling and the [TS]

01:44:07   more I get down to the details the more [TS]

01:44:08   I start to think about things that I [TS]

01:44:10   might have switched around but yeah [TS]

01:44:12   that's that's my that's my backup [TS]

01:44:14   favorite pic if it is a draft for [TS]

01:44:15   favorite nights it's not a draft you get [TS]

01:44:17   you get both the well played anyway i'm [TS]

01:44:19   talking about the one that you're not [TS]

01:44:20   picking that's always good way to [TS]

01:44:22   proceed time-tested what I'm going to [TS]

01:44:25   say is my favorite I mean I said earlier [TS]

01:44:26   i'm just going to repeat it which is k2s [TS]

01:44:28   oh that is a funny droid and it's a [TS]

01:44:31   funny droid in a weird sarcastic dark [TS]

01:44:36   there's a lot of my HK for HK 47 mixed [TS]

01:44:39   in there is a fan favorite from the [TS]

01:44:41   extended version yeah it's it's good i [TS]

01:44:43   like i like i like that character a lot [TS]

01:44:46   and that he's fast me pops people on the [TS]

01:44:48   head and he not going to kill you [TS]

01:44:50   because he was told not to he doesn't [TS]

01:44:52   have an inner monologue is inner [TS]

01:44:54   monologue external that's the better way [TS]

01:44:55   for Italy they took out his filter when [TS]

01:44:57   they reprogrammed him he's an Imperial [TS]

01:44:59   Droid so he's he's kind of evil but he's [TS]

01:45:01   been programmed not to be evil but he's [TS]

01:45:03   still kind of unpleasant and it's great [TS]

01:45:06   so that's a thumbs up and I like it I [TS]

01:45:08   like the decade the design of that [TS]

01:45:10   character too so yeah alright well rub [TS]

01:45:13   one it's a Star Wars movie everybody we [TS]

01:45:17   will we are sorry service story told in [TS]

01:45:20   movie form I i suspect [TS]

01:45:24   that a small team of rebel striking from [TS]

01:45:26   a hidden base may have another episode [TS]

01:45:28   of the incomparable to say about this at [TS]

01:45:30   a later time perhaps more than one I [TS]

01:45:32   don't even know but I feel good about [TS]

01:45:35   having a couple of hours to chat about [TS]

01:45:37   the road one the day after with the with [TS]

01:45:41   with you all [TS]

01:45:42   so it's been it's been good let me thank [TS]

01:45:44   my guests before we go Monty Ashley [TS]

01:45:47   thanks for being here [TS]

01:45:48   uh the forces with me yes i think i have [TS]

01:45:51   to say i was waiting for the moment [TS]

01:45:52   where we're done en becomes a force [TS]

01:45:54   coast at the end magically like yes [TS]

01:45:57   right what your prayers Ranger to be a [TS]

01:45:58   force ghost this guy does [TS]

01:46:01   oh I won't shut up about the force all [TS]

01:46:03   right serenity called well thank you so [TS]

01:46:06   much [TS]

01:46:06   absolutely glad to be here I don't have [TS]

01:46:09   a good quote [TS]

01:46:09   that's fine the force will be with you [TS]

01:46:10   always Tony similar thank you for being [TS]

01:46:13   here too [TS]

01:46:13   I'm one with the force you are and John [TS]

01:46:16   siracusa thank you can't wait to find [TS]

01:46:18   out who built the floor to the second [TS]

01:46:19   death star that was just working on the [TS]

01:46:23   same plan it turns out when you kill off [TS]

01:46:26   two generations of all your super [TS]

01:46:28   scientists and engineers you're left [TS]

01:46:29   with a blindly follow the plan to see [TS]

01:46:31   students the see students from imperial [TS]

01:46:33   university as they never unfolded the [TS]

01:46:35   blueprints to see that they should have [TS]

01:46:37   built an entire sphere and thanks to [TS]

01:46:40   everybody again for listening to this [TS]

01:46:42   episode of the uncomfortable I'm sure [TS]

01:46:43   there will be more about road one in the [TS]

01:46:45   days to come [TS]

01:46:46   but for now I thank you goodnight [TS]