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0:00:08From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode number 40. Today's show is brought to you by Hover,
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0:00:18and spam, and Field Notes. I'm not writing it down to remember it later, I'm writing it down
0:00:23to remember it now. My name is Myke Curley and I am joined in person live and in San Francisco
0:00:28by Mr. Jason Snow. Hi Myke, so this is three times we've done this in person out of 40
0:00:32shows now. Once, twice, three times a podcast. Mm-hmm. And I love you. Thank you so much.
0:00:38In the words of Lionel Richie. So we are, uh... We're on my turf now. We're out of the British
0:00:44Isles. Forget that, this is California baby. So we're what, like an hour or two after the
0:00:48keynote has just finished? Yeah, yeah, a couple hours after the keynote we're recording this.
0:00:55long keynote today.
0:00:57It was a little over. By Google I/O standards it was short, but by Apple keynote standards
0:01:01it was a little bit long.
0:01:02You were in the room today as we discussed last week.
0:01:04Yes, sir.
0:01:05So how was it today? Did you take notes? Did you do full on live blogging?
0:01:09I took notes. I did, I sent a few tweets, but Dan Morin was sitting right next to me
0:01:16and he handled the Six Colors Event account for live blogging, which was great. And I
0:01:21I dropped a few tweets here and there,
0:01:22but I spent most of the time watching the presentation
0:01:25and taking some notes in my own little notes document.
0:01:29- And how did that feel?
0:01:30- It was a little weird.
0:01:32It was good.
0:01:33There were moments when I suddenly realized
0:01:34I was typing a lot and that that probably meant
0:01:36that I was thinking I was live blogging,
0:01:39but it was for an audience of one.
0:01:41And then I would slow down and say,
0:01:43what do I really want to write down here?
0:01:45It's, you know, shifting from verbatim note-taking mode
0:01:48into what's the big picture,
0:01:49leaving myself little notes,
0:01:50which is something that I don't normally do
0:01:52if I'm live blogging, like this is important,
0:01:54this was a surprise, this was, you know,
0:01:57a couple points I kind of wanted to emphasize,
0:02:00this is important even though
0:02:02they didn't make a big deal out of it.
0:02:04So that was different.
0:02:05- 'Cause last week, you were very much in the impression
0:02:09that you weren't gonna do that this time.
0:02:11- One big difference is that Dan got into the keynote,
0:02:14which we were asking Apple
0:02:16if they would consider letting him in, and they did,
0:02:18And so, you know, we found that out a little while ago.
0:02:22It wasn't today, but --
0:02:24And that changed -- That made it very easy for me
0:02:27to make the decision to sort of take a step back.
0:02:29And that way, I could pay more close attention during the event.
0:02:33Then we had -- You know, we ran out afterward,
0:02:35got some lunch, and came here to record this,
0:02:37and then I will, you know, start writing some stuff.
0:02:40And I think that's good.
0:02:42I think that's nice.
0:02:43-So, I watched the keynote in the hotel,
0:02:47in the Park 55, the release notes guys who had the podcast
0:02:50and the conference that I'm gonna be speaking at,
0:02:53they put on like a viewing and it was great.
0:02:55We had a bunch of people there.
0:02:57I love watching the keynote with people because it's fun.
0:03:00People make jokes, they laugh, they cheer,
0:03:02that kind of thing.
0:03:03That was a lot of fun.
0:03:04- I love watching keynotes with people, Myke.
0:03:06- Yep, well you get a special.
0:03:08- And I always do because I'm with all the people
0:03:11in the room.
0:03:12No, you say that and I think it's funny
0:03:14'cause it can be a solitary experience
0:03:16you're just a person at home watching on the live stream it is way more fun to
0:03:20have an audience there. But there's the big one or the small one.
0:03:23People are making jokes and stuff like that because I can't I never go on
0:03:26Twitter during because it's too much it's impossible to keep up with and I
0:03:31can't concentrate on what's happening if I'm watching you know people joking
0:03:36around and stuff which is which is admittedly a lot of fun but it I can't
0:03:40concentrate and then I get all lost.
0:03:43Right I understand that.
0:03:45So we should probably just dive in and I figure we'll talk about some of the things that came up today
0:03:49but do them in the presentation order as is as you know as we want to do in these scenarios.
0:03:55So let's start off with OS X El Capitan. Yes. I hate that name. I just want to put that out there.
0:04:01I think it's awkward to say. So why do you yeah so that's why? Is it like Mavericks awkward? I think
0:04:06it's more awkward because Mavericks was one word. This is El Capitan. El Capitan. Like that is a
0:04:11is a long and awkward thing to say.
0:04:14- Four syllables.
0:04:15- It looks kinda strange written down.
0:04:19So El Capitan is inside of Yosemite National Park, right?
0:04:23- El Capitan is a giant granite cliff,
0:04:26granite monolith inside Yosemite National Park.
0:04:30So this is Apple's equivalent of snow leopard
0:04:34or mountain lion by saying it's still essentially
0:04:38a Yosemite class operating system.
0:04:41- I think that, I don't know enough about Yosemite,
0:04:44but I guess they had very limited options
0:04:46if they wanted to go that route.
0:04:47- Well, they could have called it Half Dome,
0:04:49but that's weird.
0:04:50- That's much worse.
0:04:51Okay, I will accept El Capitan for the reason
0:04:54that they chose it, if that makes sense.
0:04:56But I just think as a product name,
0:04:58it is not a good product name.
0:05:00- They could have called it Glacier Point, I suppose,
0:05:02or something. - That's nicer.
0:05:03That's much nicer. - El Capitan.
0:05:06Oh no, it is interesting that it's still a Yosemite theme.
0:05:11Maybe that means that we can have that great Yosemite conference again.
0:05:14Go back to Yosemite.
0:05:15Yeah, so the crown stays in the Sierra Nevadas in Yosemite
0:05:21for another upgrade cycle.
0:05:23- Experience and performance.
0:05:25This seemed to be the mantra of the day.
0:05:29Both OS X, they've said that for a--
0:05:31they kind of hinted towards that of iOS as well.
0:05:34So the experience is a few features, basically a smattering of features,
0:05:37and then performance is basically Apple saying,
0:05:41"Yes, we are fixing the issues."
0:05:43- Yeah, they also use the phrase,
0:05:44"Refinements and advances,"
0:05:47which I thought was interesting.
0:05:50This is their way of saying without saying it.
0:05:55We are concerned about speed and stability,
0:05:59which are the things that people have been talking about
0:06:01with the Mac and with iOS.
0:06:04And so they said that, "Refinements and advances,
0:06:06speed and stability, ways to make,
0:06:10you know, it's not like they're not adding features,
0:06:12but the idea that they're trying to make things faster,
0:06:14they talked a lot about changing some of the underlying
0:06:16technology to make things faster.
0:06:18And, you know, I at least choose to read between the lines
0:06:21that taking some time just to smooth off
0:06:24some of the rough edges is one of the things
0:06:26that they're doing as a part of this too,
0:06:28although they didn't, it's not like they came out and said,
0:06:30we're gonna take a lot of time to fix bugs,
0:06:32but I think that's, at least you can read that
0:06:35into what they said. If that is what they are doing, I appreciate this. The same with iOS is
0:06:40they didn't just do this. There is some stuff here. I think probably the biggest thing that's
0:06:46been added to El Capitan is window management. A lot more options for window management. So we have
0:06:52an updated mission control. They've made it and also like switching between spaces and stuff like
0:06:59that has been made to be performing better. On my retina MacBook Pro that is one of the most
0:07:03frustrating things for me. Sometimes I swipe and nothing happens for like a
0:07:06second and then I move over. So that's something I'm happy to see that they're
0:07:10looking at fixing. I love Mission Control. That is how I use that a lot. I use
0:07:14spaces and full screen and stuff like that so I'm happy to see anything change
0:07:18there. I thought some of the stuff looked really good like you could drag a window
0:07:22up to the top and create a new desktop with it. I thought that was really nice.
0:07:25But one of the big things that they're pushing and we'll probably talk about
0:07:28about this in another context in a little bit is Split View.
0:07:31So there is an app called Moom, is that right?
0:07:35M-O-M? - Yeah, Moom, yeah.
0:07:36For many tricks.
0:07:37- And this is a similar kind of idea in that?
0:07:40- Yeah, I mean, Moom is super flexible,
0:07:42but the thing is that Moom is a utility by a third party,
0:07:46and with this view, you've got the split screen mode
0:07:50and all of that, it's in a system, right?
0:07:53So Apple has the ability to do things
0:07:57that no third party can do.
0:07:59And so that's what they've done here.
0:08:00Moom lets you set, like put these,
0:08:01tile these windows and move this window over there.
0:08:04And this is a very much sort of saying,
0:08:06I want two apps on the screen at once.
0:08:08And you can do that with regular windows,
0:08:10but you have to manage them.
0:08:11And this is stuff we've seen,
0:08:12Microsoft did some of this in Windows 8,
0:08:15but it's a nice, like,
0:08:19it is very much like mission control
0:08:21in that it's about sort of simplifying
0:08:24the window management experience.
0:08:26and if you're an old school Mac user who just wants to have your Windows where you want
0:08:30them you can still do that, but if you're in a, I find myself sometimes in a mode where
0:08:35I really just want two apps in front and single window mode won't do that, the full screen
0:08:43mode won't do that, and so this is in between full screen mode and the freeform mode, and
0:08:48I think that's good.
0:08:49- And they made some other enhancements like with Mail, they put some gestures in there
0:08:54fine but with full screen you can kind of move the message pane away and then they put
0:08:58tabs in the compose message window and stuff like that.
0:09:02All those things that frustrate you when you're in full screen mode right? Because full screen
0:09:05mode with apps that spawn multiple windows becomes really frustrating because is it sliding
0:09:11that new window out? How do you minimize something? How do you switch to a second window if you're
0:09:15in the full screen view? That's the thing that drives me out of full screen mode more
0:09:19than any other. So they're trying to put in these, in mail they've got these short hands
0:09:23now that let you do, actually very much like iOS, let you kind of do some basic management
0:09:29of this single window view.
0:09:33We have Spotlight. So Spotlight on the Mac has received some enhancements, one of those
0:09:40being a lot more natural language stuff, which is quite interesting. So there's some of that
0:09:45in there like what's the weather going to be like on Friday and stuff like that, which
0:09:48is interesting and again that technology is there but we'll talk about it on iOS, it seems
0:09:54to have really come into its own in iOS.
0:09:56Yeah I think if you, I think I read something about Google discovering that there's a certain
0:10:03percentage of users who talk, who type into Google like they're trying to reason with
0:10:08somebody, an actual person, like they don't type and my sister I think is like this, like
0:10:13somebody in my family I observed doing a Google search and they were like asking it questions,
0:10:18like ask Jeeves or something. They were saying, "How do I find..." Like, don't know. Don't
0:10:23just type in the words you're searching for, but that was not how they do it. They're like,
0:10:26"How do I find how to do this?" or "What is the thing for this?" And so the natural language
0:10:30thing is, I mean, it's good because I do think that certain, a certain group of users think
0:10:35that way and that's how they want to formulate their queries. And so by saying, you know,
0:10:40show me all the, you know, the presentation files I was working on last June and having
0:10:44it actually be able to do that, there are a lot of people who are never going to go
0:10:47and say, "Date created is between June 1st and June 30th of 2014 and kind is presentation."
0:10:57Right?
0:10:58I'm one of those people. I prefer to ask a computer a question like that. It's like why
0:11:04I love Fantastical because I have natural language entry. I can't use other kinds of
0:11:09programs now. I like to just type it because my brain works that way. It's easier. I loved
0:11:14the email stuff, it was like show me the messages I've ignored from Phil. Which is, that is
0:11:19smart stuff going on there and I really like that as a way to interact with the computer
0:11:24is to ask questions and it should be able to pass what I'm saying and deliver answers
0:11:29to me like that. I think that's really cool. Safari stuff, I mean I'm not a Safari user
0:11:34so I'm not massively interested in it. Some of this like the pinned tabs thing it just
0:11:40feels like adding a feature. I don't know what you think, but I don't see a lot of utility
0:11:44in doing that. You could just have the tab open.
0:11:46Well, no, but the idea here is you've got your favorite sites. And again, this is how
0:11:50different people work. You've got your favorite sites and you always want them there. And
0:11:54instead of putting them in a bookmark and then clicking on the bookmark every time you
0:11:57open it, I'm pretty sure this is one of those features that came out of them observing how
0:12:01users use software. And they always go to these same apps. And so by having them be
0:12:06pinned like that, any browser window you're in has them right there, and they're preloading
0:12:12them, which they, you know, more aggressively than they would if it was just in the bookmarks
0:12:16bar. And they hide the bookmarks bar by default, I think, so this is like a...
0:12:21- Visual book launch. - Yeah, it's like a new version of that for
0:12:25your high priority sites, 'cause, you know, there are a lot of people that this is how
0:12:28they use the internet, is they check eight sites that they like, or four sites that they
0:12:33like. And so to have them in this way, I think there will be certain kinds of users who will
0:12:37get a huge benefit out of having it there.
0:12:39I was in a room with a bunch of developers, you were in a room with even more. The advancements
0:12:45to Metal on the Mac seem to turn people, like to set people into a bit of a frenzy.
0:12:51Well that's a super developer message, and so the developers like to hear that. I think
0:12:56unless you're somebody who really loves OpenGL, I mean the idea there is that you're using
0:13:02and core animation.
0:13:04You can use core animation and core graphics
0:13:05and now it's running at a much,
0:13:08they set up to 50% improvement in speed
0:13:10because they're eliminating the gap.
0:13:13They're getting you closer to the metal by doing that.
0:13:18So I thought it was interesting too in terms of,
0:13:21this section had the lengthy set of examples involving Adobe,
0:13:27which is interesting 'cause that's a relationship
0:13:31that's gone back and forth,
0:13:33about especially over the whole Flash debacle.
0:13:38And here what you've got is Adobe highlighted
0:13:40as a company that tried some of these new features,
0:13:43got great results, and has said,
0:13:46"We're gonna use this technology
0:13:47"for all of our products on the Mac."
0:13:49And that they said, not just After Effects,
0:13:51which is one that always gets carted out,
0:13:53but like Illustrator having some stuff
0:13:55that currently they can't show the UI update
0:13:58because it's too processor intensive,
0:14:00So they just sort of, when you zoom in,
0:14:02you move from state A to state B,
0:14:04and that with this system,
0:14:06they can actually do a smooth zoom to that point,
0:14:10and stuff like that,
0:14:11and that they're committed to adopting it
0:14:12on all their OS X apps.
0:14:13I mean, I thought that was a really interesting sign,
0:14:15not only of the Apple-Adobe relationship,
0:14:17but interesting endorsement of some pretty prominent,
0:14:20it's a practical use in those apps,
0:14:25these prominent apps of this technology.
0:14:27So it's not just a, "Hey, games can be good on the Mac,"
0:14:31which is not the biggest market on the Mac anyway.
0:14:33- That's where the demo came from.
0:14:35The demo came from Epic.
0:14:36And I felt like it would have been a lot better
0:14:39to come from Adobe.
0:14:41The demo should have come from Adobe.
0:14:42- Yeah, I agree.
0:14:43- I think that would have been a lot stronger of a message
0:14:47and would have made a lot more sense to have them on stage
0:14:51and to have them showing some of the stuff.
0:14:54- Yeah, maybe they just weren't prepared to do it,
0:14:56but I agree with you.
0:14:57That would have been, I don't know,
0:14:59I find the game demos boring in general
0:15:02and this one was boring in particular.
0:15:04It was, it went on way too long
0:15:07and I felt like it was a little like the, you know,
0:15:09a teacher trying to tell a student
0:15:11to hurry up their presentation by saying,
0:15:13they're gonna give us a really short demo.
0:15:16As they introduced them, they said a short demo.
0:15:18- But it wasn't. - Wasn't short enough, no.
0:15:21- Because the thing was, and the issue is with that stuff,
0:15:23they were promoting their new game.
0:15:25- Yeah, I know, and it's just like, here's this game,
0:15:28it's on the Mac, it's--
0:15:29- It doesn't really look that good.
0:15:30- It doesn't look that great, it's boring,
0:15:33they're acting like it's this cool thing,
0:15:36and again, I don't wanna see a demo of their game.
0:15:39They were sprinkled in there some examples of,
0:15:42hey, this new technology that Apple has really helped us
0:15:44here, but I don't think it added a whole lot to the thing.
0:15:47- No, it definitely didn't.
0:15:48- There are two things, whenever we talk about keynotes,
0:15:49there's sort of two things we do.
0:15:51The one is analyze what was announced,
0:15:53and what does it mean for Apple,
0:15:54on what are those products, how do we understand them,
0:15:56and what is that gonna mean for users.
0:15:57The other thing is like the keynote,
0:16:00appreciation of keynote as an art form,
0:16:02where we're criticizing the medium more than the message,
0:16:05and this is one of those examples where,
0:16:08in terms of reviewing the keynote as a performance,
0:16:11the game demo really, I could really have done without it,
0:16:15and I don't think it really imparted a lot of information.
0:16:17- No, it didn't add-- - It was a break.
0:16:20- It didn't add any more weight
0:16:22than the quote from Adobe on a slide did.
0:16:24- It added a lot less weight, I think,
0:16:27than the quote from Adobe.
0:16:28And quite frankly, are you really trying to explain,
0:16:31I mean, other than just, ooh, need moving pictures,
0:16:34is it more realistic to show people a game running
0:16:39on the Mac than it is professional software running
0:16:42on the Mac?
0:16:43Or even photo management software or something,
0:16:45but a game, just, yeah.
0:16:47- Why don't they bring the product developer
0:16:49final cut on stage. Because they were talking about things like rendering and stuff like
0:16:54that and show how that's faster. That's more compelling, I think, than showing Epic. Apple
0:17:02are trying to get games. It's a thing that the Mac--
0:17:05- I get it. It's just never really going to happen on the Mac, and it's helpful that they
0:17:10do this, but they're really just saying, "Hey, games are a good way to explain graphics performance."
0:17:14But they didn't really explain it. They were just like, "Hey, look, it's a game. Yay!" Yeah,
0:17:19less excited. That Adobe thing though, I was impressed by that, the Adobe thing, because
0:17:22that's, that's not just Adobe to write a thing out and said it was okay. That's Adobe saying,
0:17:26yeah, this is so great, we're going to use it in all our stuff.
0:17:28So, you know, then we've got the usual, you know, El Capitan, there's a developer preview
0:17:33in July, I think, and it comes out in the fall. Because developer preview now, public
0:17:39beta in July. And then there'll be somebody who sends a tweet saying that we got that
0:17:44wrong because they haven't, they paused it right before we corrected immediately after
0:17:47because that's life in the big city for podcasting.
0:17:50But yeah, so it's gonna be the same, it's the usual.
0:17:53Developers can get a beta now.
0:17:55There'll be a public beta, you know,
0:17:56after they've done a developer beta cycle or two,
0:17:58they'll do a public beta in July,
0:17:59and then it'll be out in the fall for free.
0:18:02As far as we can tell, it's just, you know,
0:18:04like everybody, if you could run Yosemite,
0:18:05you can run El Capitan.
0:18:07And yeah, that's it.
0:18:10I'm trying to see, I really liked the,
0:18:13we didn't mention another example of watching
0:18:16how people use their computer and trying to come up
0:18:18with ways to do it better, which is one of the great ways
0:18:22to innovate if you're building new software.
0:18:25Was the shaking your cursor to find out where it is
0:18:29when you wake up your computer?
0:18:30- Funny little thing, but a nice thing.
0:18:33- Yeah, so you shake it and it gets bigger
0:18:35while you're shaking it so you can see where it is
0:18:37and then it goes back down.
0:18:39That's great, I do that all the time.
0:18:41I have that big Retina iMac and sometimes I'm like,
0:18:44it's a huge screen.
0:18:45I don't even know where that little cursor is.
0:18:47I'm like, where is it?
0:18:48Where is it?
0:18:49Is my Bluetooth track pad off?
0:18:51Is that why I can't see it?
0:18:52What's going on?
0:18:53So that was, I just liked that as a, it's silly,
0:18:56but that's a good example of somebody building a feature
0:19:00because they realized, oh, this is something everybody does
0:19:03and it wastes people's time.
0:19:05- Anything missing for you?
0:19:06- Oh, as I've written, I was ready for them
0:19:10to get rid of the X and just call it Mac OS again,
0:19:14but this is not an OS release about change, right?
0:19:17This is about kind of keeping on from Yosemite,
0:19:20and that's fine.
0:19:22That's exactly what I was looking for.
0:19:23I'm a little surprised that there were rumors
0:19:27that the new San Francisco font would be used,
0:19:29and I don't think it is.
0:19:33- It definitely looked like they were using it on iOS,
0:19:35but they didn't mention it.
0:19:37- Yeah, and I think I saw one tweet that pointed out
0:19:40that it's being used on some parts of iOS,
0:19:41but not all of it.
0:19:43I don't understand that. That is interesting, if they're using it. Because they didn't even
0:19:49mention it. It didn't even seem to be on that big word cloud. So I don't know what's going
0:19:54on there. That could still come later, I guess. But maybe there's a reason that we just don't
0:20:00know or maybe they just never were going to do it in the first place. But there was definitely
0:20:04a font change on iOS, which we'll get to in a bit. But they were showing some of the UI
0:20:09it looked different and it looked like San Francisco. So maybe, I don't know, I don't
0:20:14know what's happening with El Capitan. I've got to get used to saying that.
0:20:17El Capitan. I feel like every time I say it I have to
0:20:19say it in a funny way. Well you can call it Snowseminity if you want to.
0:20:23I might do that actually. We have Steven in the room here and he's shaking his head. He
0:20:28doesn't like Snowseminity which is now what I will call it. So should we move on to iOS?
0:20:34Yeah, well, real-time follow-up, T_ in the chatroom says the fonts are updated.
0:20:39I don't know updated in what way or what.
0:20:42Again, I only have the information that I could glean from the keynote being in it.
0:20:46So we'll find out more as the developer betas get installed and we learn more.
0:20:52So apparently, definitely, new system font was included in the word cloud.
0:20:56So thank you very much to everybody in the chatroom who is pointing that out.
0:21:00There definitely is a new system font.
0:21:04We will call it Capitan Francisco.
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0:21:17I have one right here.
0:21:19I have about six in one of the drawers in my house.
0:21:24I found a big cache of them.
0:21:27So now we have even more.
0:21:28You can use them for anything.
0:21:30So Field Notes are great.
0:21:31They're like these great little notebooks.
0:21:32They've got great design.
0:21:34made by a great team based in Chicago. It's all made in America, something that they're
0:21:40very proud of. These notebooks can be used for anything. I use them to take all my show
0:21:44notes, I keep them in my bag, I keep them in my pocket to take lists, to take grocery
0:21:49lists. If you have anything you need to put on paper, Field Notes is a great way to do
0:21:54it. They have a great little tagline which I love which is "I'm not writing it down to
0:21:58remember it later, I'm writing it down to remember it now." And that makes a lot of
0:22:03sense when you start using these things because it becomes to the point where it's like you don't
0:22:07sometimes when you write things down on paper they stick in your brain so making lists and doing
0:22:13stuff like that you do them on paper and they stick and Field Notes is a fantastic way to do it.
0:22:18My favorite thing about Field Notes is their colors edition so every quarter as I am a subscriber
0:22:23Field Notes come up with a new limited edition notebook they're always incredibly inventive
0:22:27they're always pushing and pushing to do more interesting and exciting things they come up with
0:22:32with this new stuff and they send them to me in the mail.
0:22:43The edition that they have right now for the summer is called the Workshop Companion Edition.
0:22:48The Workshop Companion features a set of six books in a custom sleeve with a set of stickers.
0:22:55Each book is themed to a common project to be done around the house, including electrical
0:22:59work, plumbing, painting, gardening, automotive and woodworking.
0:23:17You can find out more about the Workshop Edition at www.FieldNotesBrand.com/Workshop
0:23:21I believe Father's Day is on the horizon in the United States of America.
0:23:30Jason can you confirm that?
0:23:32It is Father's Day is near.
0:23:33This is a great Father's Day gift.
0:23:35They come in a great little box perfect to keep in the Workshop.
0:23:39If you buy a year long colour subscription starting with the Workshop Companion and use
0:23:44the code "relay", you'll get three carpenter pencils and a three pack of pitch black memo
0:23:49books, which are these all black memo books that Field Notes make. So you should buy that,
0:23:54you should go and sign up, you'll get the Workshop Companion in the next three editions
0:23:59for the next year, but you can also buy them separately as well, so you can go over to
0:24:03fieldnotesbrand.com/workshop and you can pick up some books for yourself, but you will want
0:24:07to hurry because they always sell out, they sell out quick, and when they're gone, they're
0:24:12gone.
0:24:13is Sunday, June 21st in the US and the UK, Myke.
0:24:16- Is it in the UK? - Indeed.
0:24:17- I have to address some issues with my father.
0:24:20Field notes, I'm not writing it down to remember it later,
0:24:23I'm writing it down to remember it now.
0:24:25iOS, iOS 9.
0:24:29- iOS 9.
0:24:31- So again, same sort of idea here.
0:24:35We have some refinements, we have,
0:24:37so they kind of, they referred to it as
0:24:40there were some enhancements
0:24:41and building on the foundation is the way
0:24:44that they kind of pitch that.
0:24:46And the foundation stuff is the improvements.
0:24:49So shall we start with some of the new
0:24:52and enhanced built-in applications
0:24:54and shall we talk about the new News app?
0:24:57- Sure, let's do that.
0:24:59- Can you give a brief overview for anyone that doesn't know
0:25:02or anyone that needs a refresher, what is the News app?
0:25:05- Well, it looks like Newsstand is going away
0:25:09and that all the Newsstand apps
0:25:10just going to be apps, which is fine because Newstand was not very good, and
0:25:15that there's this new app called News that looks like it's not quite an
0:25:22RSS reader. It's more like Flipboard. It reminds me a lot of those instant
0:25:30articles that are in Facebook. It's Apple providing a platform in which web
0:25:37articles basically will be shown with some custom layout that makes them look
0:25:44nicer and you can subscribe to subjects or tags or particular publications
0:25:52whether they're newspapers or magazines or blogs and then it collects the
0:25:56stories for you so yeah I mean especially Flipboard is a good example
0:25:59where it sounds a lot like like that kind of thing except this is going to be
0:26:02an Apple app and it's gonna be built into every iPhone and iPad.
0:26:07Why does this exist?
0:26:09I think Apple wants... I don't know, it's a good question. I think Apple wants to make things easier for publishers
0:26:18and doesn't want to keep going down the path of Newsstand.
0:26:23Yep.
0:26:25Newsstand failed.
0:26:27failed. Newsstand was a mistake. Apple should have built something like iBooks for magazines
0:26:37and newspapers and they instead decided to let every media company build their own apps.
0:26:43Yeah, have weirdo apps inside of a weirdo folder. Yeah, so this is so that was a bad
0:26:48idea. I think Steve Jobs got charmed by the tech demos, the impractical,
0:26:57expensive tech demos in the early days of the iPad and decided that that was
0:27:02going to be the media strategy. So this is a very interesting strategy in that
0:27:05it's not about, you know, it's a universal reader. It's much more of a fancy web
0:27:11browser than it is, you know, it's not like a magazine or newspaper app. It's, I
0:27:17I think they've learned a lot of lessons that this is not,
0:27:20replicating paper is not what you wanna do.
0:27:23You wanna come up with something that embraces this format.
0:27:26It's interesting that it's so much like Flipboard.
0:27:28They didn't buy Flipboard, they just did something
0:27:31that's a lot like Flipboard.
0:27:32- Yeah, you pick your categories.
0:27:35I like the search stuff.
0:27:37Oh, we should mention, this was the first demo
0:27:39given by a woman, right?
0:27:40Or was it, maybe the Apple Pay stuff came first?
0:27:43- You jumped ahead, so this was the second demo
0:27:45given by a woman who's given by Susan Prescott. So this was so we might as well
0:27:49have this as a quicker slide now because there was also the Apple Pay executive
0:27:52do you have her name to hand? Jennifer Bailey. Really interesting so I mean
0:27:58yesterday as we record this Christina Warren had a great interview with Tim Cook
0:28:03in Mashable and they were talking about equality in tech and women in tech and
0:28:08one of the things that Tim said was watch tomorrow watch what we do tomorrow
0:28:12and I really like what Apple have done here because what they have done is they
0:28:17have brought out people where they wouldn't normally do that. So
0:28:21Federighi would have done that demo. So they have brought the executives onto
0:28:25the stage so they are forcing the change which is exactly what they need to do
0:28:30because they are saying right we're just gonna bring these people
0:28:34onto stage because they are women in these great jobs they're doing great
0:28:38things, normally you don't get to see them, so instead of doing the normal demo for those
0:28:43parts we will bring them out to the front, put them on stage so you can see that we do
0:28:48have these people, but usually we just don't bring them out. So I think it was a great
0:28:53move.
0:28:54I agree, in the case of Jennifer Bailey, she's the VP and judge of Apple Pay, so why not?
0:28:58Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean you bring her out, plus they both gave incredible demos.
0:29:04I thought they were funny and powerful
0:29:07and just really, really great at what they did.
0:29:09- Yeah, they both had their unique styles
0:29:12that were their own, just as any presenter does.
0:29:14And yeah, it was good to see more,
0:29:17it was good to see different people on stage
0:29:19to have Apple's keynote be less monolithic
0:29:23than it's been in the past.
0:29:24- Yep. - I think that was good.
0:29:25It felt like you're watching a whole company
0:29:27full of people who are working on this stuff
0:29:29and not a very tiny cabal of people who invent everything
0:29:32and then roll it out.
0:29:33which is, you know, not accurate. It is more.
0:29:35There are a lot of people who work at Apple
0:29:37and working on this stuff, so to see more of them is good.
0:29:40And to see some diversity on that stage, really good.
0:29:43- So basically, news is a new take on an RSS reader.
0:29:48I think in a nutshell, that's what it is.
0:29:52I'm thinking maybe some of this
0:29:55is so they can populate Spotlight stuff, right?
0:29:59Because Spotlight seems to suggest news articles,
0:30:02and this is a place to send you to,
0:30:04so that could be one thing that they're doing it for.
0:30:07They showed big publishers, they showed Wired,
0:30:10they had Vox on the screen.
0:30:11- Yeah, New York Times.
0:30:12- Yep, Conde Nast and stuff like that.
0:30:15They also made a point of showing Daring Fireball,
0:30:17which was really exciting.
0:30:20- Yes, they said the words Daring Fireball.
0:30:23- And she cooked him as a choice of a blog that she likes.
0:30:27What are you gonna do?
0:30:29Do you know anything about this system?
0:30:30Can you publish this system?
0:30:32Do you want to?
0:30:33- They made a point of the fact that this is not,
0:30:36and I think that's actually one of the reasons
0:30:38why they showed Daring Fireball,
0:30:40not only because they like John Gruber,
0:30:42but because he's a blogger.
0:30:44And it was part of the message to say,
0:30:47look, here's a newspaper, here's a magazine,
0:30:49and here's a blog, and I can subscribe to all of them.
0:30:52And then I can subscribe to this broad category
0:30:54of technology, as well as this incredibly narrow keyword
0:30:57of Swift, the programming language.
0:30:59And so it was a good example of that.
0:31:01and then later they said, "This is for everyone.
0:31:05Presumably they'll have some sort of a spec."
0:31:07But they said, "This is for local papers,
0:31:09it's for blogs, it's for everyone."
0:31:11So all publishers should be able to publish to this format.
0:31:14So, you know, given my audience, absolutely.
0:31:17Absolutely.
0:31:18I can't wait to find out what the specs are for this
0:31:21and figure out how I can take advantage of it.
0:31:25- iCloud.com/newspublisher.
0:31:28- All right.
0:31:29I'll go there after the show.
0:31:31you'll use iCloud to add your content to news.
0:31:33Sign in with your Apple ID
0:31:35that you'd like to use for your business or channel.
0:31:38- Okay.
0:31:39- Weird that it's on iCloud.
0:31:41That seems like an interesting thing, but okay.
0:31:45I feel like they need to have that.
0:31:45- That's gotta be like iBook,
0:31:48it's like iTunes Connect.
0:31:49It's a backend system that you sign up for.
0:31:53Yeah, that's weird.
0:31:54- I mean, this feels like something
0:31:55that you would have an article
0:31:56that you wanna put out there and you would,
0:31:58it's a nice big beefy article or something
0:32:00you put it in. I imagine they've got some document specs and some feed specs and
0:32:04you know that's everybody will look at that and figure out how they want to
0:32:09proceed. But you know it's interesting I guess if it's pre-installed maybe people
0:32:15use it I don't know if I will like maybe maybe maybe I'll look at that instead of
0:32:19RSS or something I don't know. Yeah I don't I mean I don't use Flipboard and I
0:32:24don't use RSS so I'm using I'm using Nuzzle right now to do all that you know
0:32:29But yeah, I'll check it out.
0:32:30There are lots of different ways to do reading,
0:32:33and getting on the device is powerful.
0:32:35It's not the solution.
0:32:37Every iPhone user in existence
0:32:40has not started listening to podcasts
0:32:42because the podcast app is on the iPhone,
0:32:43but it sure helps that there's a podcast app on the iPhone.
0:32:47And this is, you know, there will be,
0:32:49if you want to get some news,
0:32:50also they integrated top news and things into their search.
0:32:54And this is a way, presumably,
0:32:58you will now jump to the news app to read those
0:33:01instead of-- - The website.
0:33:03- To the website, so that's part of that integration too.
0:33:06And it sounds like the Recode report,
0:33:09Walt Mossberg's report about this,
0:33:11or no, Peter Kafka's report about this,
0:33:12was that we saw no ads today,
0:33:16but it sounds like publishers can put ads in there
0:33:18and they keep all the money from the ads.
0:33:20Apple's not trying to say give us 30% of all the ads
0:33:22that display in the news app.
0:33:24And then that report also said that if you don't have ads,
0:33:27If you've run out of your ads or whatever,
0:33:29Apple will actually be the backfill
0:33:33and they could actually put their own ads in there
0:33:35and then cut you in for a piece of that.
0:33:38So there is an ad story there too.
0:33:39It'll be interesting to see how that goes
0:33:41'cause they said the New York Times,
0:33:43they're gonna put in what, 30 stories a day or something.
0:33:46I mean, that's interesting because that's stuff
0:33:48that you aren't allowed to read on the web
0:33:50because after a few stories,
0:33:52you are blocked from those stories for the rest of the month
0:33:55on the New York Times,
0:33:56but they'll all be, you know, 30 stories a day
0:33:58will be in the News app.
0:34:00That's, that's-- - That's a lot.
0:34:01- That's content you can't get on the web
0:34:03but you can get in the News app.
0:34:04That's pretty cool.
0:34:05- Notes, the Notes app-- - Notes app.
0:34:08- Has some massive, massive changes.
0:34:10- Yeah, it looks a lot more like Vesper now.
0:34:12So thanks, they mentioned Daring Fireball.
0:34:15They also made Notes work a lot more like Vesper.
0:34:19So I thought there was a nice tidbit there that I noticed,
0:34:22which is that Notes is used by half of all iPhone users.
0:34:27- Yep.
0:34:28- That's a popular app.
0:34:30- Surprisingly.
0:34:31- Used by, I use it, when I parked today,
0:34:34I opened Notes and put down where I parked.
0:34:37- Yeah.
0:34:38- I mean, nothing--
0:34:39- I'll give it a go of iOS 9.
0:34:41I mean, I use Draft for this stuff, but--
0:34:43- Well, I'm using Notes for, like I said,
0:34:46it's also my purpose-built note-taking app
0:34:48for watching things for the incomparable.
0:34:51- Yeah.
0:34:51they're all in there, all of my notes are in there.
0:34:54So there's a toolbar, there's text formatting,
0:34:57you can make quick checklists, you can insert photos,
0:35:00you can link-- - There's an extension?
0:35:02- Yeah, yeah, there's a links, the links look better,
0:35:06it's not just like a hyperlink of text,
0:35:07it's actually a little box with a preview
0:35:09of where the link goes to, which is kinda neat.
0:35:11So they really did add a whole bunch of stuff.
0:35:15A share sheet that lets you drop things
0:35:18into notes from elsewhere with some nice stuff.
0:35:23-I'm probably gonna switch to Apple Maps from Google Maps
0:35:27because of their transit stuff.
0:35:29-Well, Google has transit stuff, too.
0:35:31-The way that Apple are displaying the transit stuff
0:35:34is very, very interesting to me,
0:35:35and I'm very much looking forward to checking it out.
0:35:37-What way is that?
0:35:39-So, they have a couple of things
0:35:40that I really like to look off.
0:35:42They have a full transit map,
0:35:44which shows lines and stuff like that
0:35:46on the actual map face.
0:35:49- Yeah, I really liked that,
0:35:50that you're not just viewing transit little buttons
0:35:55on top of a street map.
0:35:56You're looking at a transit map, transit layer.
0:35:58- And even more interestingly,
0:36:00'cause this is something that frustrates me with Google Maps
0:36:02and any other mapping service I've ever used,
0:36:05which is it shows me the entrance for the train station,
0:36:10which is something that I don't get.
0:36:12And they're like, we'll send you there
0:36:13so you know exactly where to go.
0:36:15because usually they just drop a pin right in the middle.
0:36:17- Yeah, it's like the train station is a single item
0:36:20that is a single point
0:36:22and everybody enters through that point,
0:36:24which of course is not how it works.
0:36:27- 'Cause that's the main reason that I don't use Apple Maps
0:36:29is because I am a person who needs transit stuff.
0:36:32That's how I get around.
0:36:33I use the tube and I use buses and I walk.
0:36:37And at the moment,
0:36:38Apple have not had anything to help me in that regard.
0:36:41And all of the third-party apps that I've tried,
0:36:44I haven't found better than Google Maps. And London is a launch city, which it definitely
0:36:49should be, and I'm really happy they did it, because I think it's the only one outside
0:36:53of America or China that is a launch city.
0:36:58That's good.
0:36:59It's because London is…
0:37:00No, no, there's Berlin.
0:37:01Is there Berlin as well?
0:37:02Berlin's in there too.
0:37:03Okay. So it's limited. And it makes sense, I mean, you go for the places that have real
0:37:09good infrastructure. London is one of them. And I think my understanding is the data isn't
0:37:13hard to get because we have a centralized body that does it. So TFL, Transport for London,
0:37:19has all of that data and they have APIs and stuff, so we were probably not too difficult
0:37:24a city to actually map and get it right. But I'm really, really excited for that.
0:37:29Yeah, that's something that Apple just couldn't do when they were launching their new maps
0:37:36thing. It was just one thing that they just couldn't get it done in time.
0:37:41Because this needs careful consideration.
0:37:43Transit is very, very difficult to do.
0:37:46But I still think they should have waited, or they should have done this two years ago,
0:37:53because it is a big part of it.
0:37:55But I'm very happy to see it.
0:37:56And one of the main reasons is because I would want to switch is because I really, really
0:38:01love getting the directions on my watch.
0:38:03I love that.
0:38:05And that's really going to work well for me.
0:38:07So I'm excited for that.
0:38:09I think it would be difficult maybe, I don't know, we'll see from the native
0:38:12stuff for Google to do a comparable app for the watch, but so I'm really excited
0:38:17for that. Yeah when I was in Brooklyn I was trying to use Google Maps and it
0:38:23and for transit and it took me to the block where the train station was that I
0:38:29was going to. But then I had that wandering around thing where you're
0:38:35trying to guess at where the actual entry way to the train station was
0:38:38because it wasn't, it didn't take me to the entryway for, you know, that I could go down
0:38:43that was the closest to where I was and I wandered around for a couple of minutes before
0:38:46I found the way in.
0:38:48- Yeah, so, yeah.
0:38:49- Smart.
0:38:50- Passbook becomes Wallet and with Wallet comes additional features for Apple Pay.
0:38:54- Right.
0:38:55- So there are store cards and loyalty cards now, right?
0:38:59- Yeah, so they talked about loyalty cards at the event in September of last year.
0:39:04- But they--
0:39:05- They talked about when they launched Apple Pay that, or they announced Apple Pay.
0:39:08And not in the keynote, but after the keynote,
0:39:12when we were talking to them, they're like,
0:39:13"Oh yeah, yeah, loyalty cards will be supported."
0:39:15But it just hasn't happened yet.
0:39:16So now it's happened.
0:39:17Now we've got where they're making those partnerships,
0:39:20so the loyalty cards will be built in to Apple Pay as well.
0:39:24And you left out, in addition to having London Transit,
0:39:29we have Apple Pay in the UK,
0:39:31which is the old punk rock song.
0:39:34- That's happening in July.
0:39:35So because there was rumors that Canada was going to be the next, the next destination for Apple Pay,
0:39:41but next month I finally get Apple Pay. 250,000 locations. The best one is the tube. So we'll be
0:39:49able to use Apple Pay to ride the tube. There is a quite a funny thing. I currently have two bank
0:39:56accounts with two different banks. And over the next couple of months, I was planning on switching
0:40:01to the bank that I prefer, Barclays, currently with HSBC going to Barclays.
0:40:07Barclays is one of the only banks in the UK that has not yet signed up for Apple Pay,
0:40:11which is extremely surprising because Barclays is the most digital, but they're not there
0:40:15yet, they will be because their customers are going to really really pressure them.
0:40:20Because when they showed the screen, every other major UK bank, of which there are a
0:40:24lot, seemed to be involved.
0:40:26So I will still use it because at the moment all my personal transactions go through my
0:40:29HSBC bank account and they are gonna be using Apple Pay so I'm very very excited
0:40:34next month to start using Apple Pay because it's something that I really want
0:40:38because we are so contactless. I pay with my card contactless but now I'll be able
0:40:44to do my watch instead. I'm really really excited to do that.
0:40:48It's pretty great. I enjoy that. Yeah, I was in a Waitrose with
0:40:53James Thompson in Glasgow and talking about Apple Pay and how it you know
0:40:57hopefully it'll come to the UK sometime and they made that announcement and I said a note
0:41:02to James saying well that Waitrose in Glasgow will have Apple Pay soon.
0:41:07So it was actually Waitrose was a very great, they were a great supermarket. They were one of
0:41:10the ones that actually mentioned them. I like that they picked a couple out and because they do that
0:41:16for America so do it for us too and I like that that they said Marks and Spencers and Waitrose,
0:41:20they picked them out as two locations and they're fancy supermarkets, they're an upscale supermarket.
0:41:27It's huge UK news today is what we're saying. Huge UK news.
0:41:31It's all coming up, Royal Britannia today. I'm very happy. I mean, I know I'm in another country,
0:41:37but I'm flying the flag today. Let's talk about the iPad, Jason.
0:41:40Anything happen with the iPad?
0:41:43All I know is Federico Vittucci's brain exploded. I haven't heard from him for a while. I think we
0:41:52we should maybe send someone to go and check on them. There is some really, really big
0:41:58stuff in here.
0:41:59Well, you know, so we were talking, we've talked about that on this show before, that
0:42:02there's this feeling that a lot of people have and that I have that I wrote a piece
0:42:06on six colors about it, that the size of the iPhone, the success of the iPhone is so tremendous
0:42:12that it's hard to justify and sometimes it's been hard for Apple to justify investing a
0:42:20a lot of effort on iPad features in iOS,
0:42:22because there's so many iPhones,
0:42:24and there are fewer iPads.
0:42:25Even if the iPad, you know, the iPad's fine,
0:42:28it's not the iPhone, nothing's the iPhone.
0:42:30And today, we got a large chunk of the presentation
0:42:35devoted to features that were at least described
0:42:40as being iPad features.
0:42:41Some of them may have their counterparts on the iPhone,
0:42:44but it was really about working on the iPad,
0:42:48And as somebody who loves his iPad,
0:42:51I'm not Federico Vitici level of love,
0:42:55but I was blown away by it.
0:42:58That was probably my favorite part
0:43:00of the entire presentation was the iPad stuff.
0:43:03- So there's a couple of different things here.
0:43:04So one of them, there's a few features
0:43:06that are classed as multitasking.
0:43:08So there is a few features, there's one called Slide Over,
0:43:11where it's a second app where you kind of pull it in
0:43:14from the side.
0:43:14- Yeah, it's like Notification Center or the Control Center,
0:43:17except from the right side.
0:43:20- Yeah, so you pull in, I think it probably,
0:43:22they didn't really explain what app,
0:43:24I guess it's like the most recent app,
0:43:26and then you're able to do some, invoke some action,
0:43:30I think it's the multitasking,
0:43:32and you can switch between a vertical list of apps.
0:43:36You slide it in, double tap,
0:43:38and you can change what app is there.
0:43:40So the idea being maybe Twitter or Messages,
0:43:43you slide it in, do what you gotta do,
0:43:44slide it back away again,
0:43:45and it shows basically an iPhone.
0:43:47- Yeah, it's in the #mikewasright section
0:43:50of the presentation, they basically said
0:43:53to the developers who were there,
0:43:54'cause again, developer conference,
0:43:55is if you did the work to do the auto layout and sizing
0:44:00that, for example, allowed your iPhone 6 app
0:44:04to also work really well on the 6 Plus,
0:44:06that will just kind of move along
0:44:08and go off on the corner there and it'll auto layout
0:44:11and it's like a little iPhone app running
0:44:13next to a kind of narrow iPad app.
0:44:16Then there was split view.
0:44:18Split view is you can invoke this from slide over
0:44:22where you then effectively you pull it across
0:44:24and you have two apps running simultaneously
0:44:27next to each other.
0:44:28This is massive stuff.
0:44:31Like they were showing some things there
0:44:32that look really interesting.
0:44:34Like click a link in the notes app
0:44:38and you've got maps next to it
0:44:39and it will just go to the maps
0:44:40or you click a link in a web browser and it pops up.
0:44:45they were showing some really interesting ways that these two apps will just work together in tandem.
0:44:50Yeah, and it's not any different, it looks like, or not much different than how apps work together
0:44:56now, except now one app goes away and the other app comes to the foreground. And in this, they're
0:45:02both running, so one app is there and then another app... And in fact, you can have like Maps open on
0:45:08on the left but you tap on a web link, Maps goes away on the left and Safari opens. That
0:45:15is a behavior too. But then you've got the two things open simultaneously. We should
0:45:19say that Split View only works on the iPad Air 2 right now. Presumably new iPads to be
0:45:26announced this fall will all support it. That's my guess.
0:45:30But they all have Slide Over I think. But they all have Slide Over and the other
0:45:34feature which is the video picture in picture feature.
0:45:37which is madness.
0:45:38That is like, you know,
0:45:39you're watching a streaming video app
0:45:41and you can just have that app playing in a corner
0:45:43like a FaceTime preview.
0:45:46You can move it around.
0:45:47They should like, you can basically slide it
0:45:48all the way off the screen just to listen to it.
0:45:50- Yeah.
0:45:51- That is really great.
0:45:53Like YouTube are doing backflips
0:45:56because that is amazing for that kind of app.
0:46:01And I think that that is really, really exciting stuff.
0:46:04- Yeah, well, I use that for like major league baseball.
0:46:06You could use it for HBO Go.
0:46:08I mean, the apps have to support it,
0:46:09but that's pretty cool too.
0:46:13But the Split View itself is iPad Air too,
0:46:15only because it's by far the most powerful iOS device.
0:46:18So right now that's the only place you can get it.
0:46:20But it's very interesting that this is happening.
0:46:25And they also mentioned as a part of this,
0:46:27was it, well, no, in another part of the demo
0:46:33when they were talking about Siri,
0:46:36They also talked about APIs for apps
0:46:40to put their content in Spotlight.
0:46:42And that's exciting, but they also said--
0:46:46- App indexing.
0:46:47- Yeah, and that also means though that they said
0:46:49that those apps will be able to provide
0:46:52essentially a deep linking URL with their search results
0:46:57or URL format.
0:46:58So that's deep linking supported in the system.
0:47:01That's like automation, workflow kind of stuff
0:47:06becoming, if not mainstream,
0:47:09becoming kind of a blessed part
0:47:11of what's happening in the system.
0:47:13And that's really great too.
0:47:14So you throw that in there with the split view
0:47:17and you've got some features
0:47:18that are traditional computer features
0:47:21that are finally showing up on iOS for the first time.
0:47:26- So what about the keyboard?
0:47:29- Oh, Myke.
0:47:30there is some magical things happening to the iPad keyboard.
0:47:33So the quick type bar, the suggestions bar,
0:47:36now has shortcuts, cut, copy, paste, and formatting in it,
0:47:39and I think attachments if you're in mail or whatever.
0:47:42But the real magical stuff is this text selection.
0:47:45- Remember when there was that,
0:47:46we were talking about last week, two weeks ago,
0:47:47about that Apple patent that was,
0:47:49what if you could move your finger around
0:47:51on the MacBook keyboard and it would be like a trackpad?
0:47:55Well, this is that on the iPad keyboard.
0:47:59you just move your finger around two fingers,
0:48:01you put two fingers down on the keyboard instead of one,
0:48:03and now it's a track pad,
0:48:05and you can move the insertion point around,
0:48:07move it up and down, you can essentially click,
0:48:11and drag, and select text, it's crazy.
0:48:16- There was this one point where Federighi was demoing this,
0:48:19and he was doing stuff at such speed.
0:48:23He clearly had practiced it a lot,
0:48:25but it looked incredible,
0:48:27and he was meant to do it fast to show you,
0:48:30click that, cut that, copy that, paste it,
0:48:31it was just like wow.
0:48:32- It's like using a laptop to select text,
0:48:34so forget about that.
0:48:35Plus, on top of that, they improved hardware keyboard support.
0:48:40- Yep, there's a task, there's an app switcher,
0:48:43like on OS X.
0:48:44- You can command tab through apps.
0:48:47- And there's just a bunch of shortcuts now,
0:48:49and I think it said when you plug in a keyboard,
0:48:51it shows you them, so you know what you're dealing with.
0:48:55- That's great.
0:48:55really amazing stuff.
0:48:57- These are all features,
0:49:00I mean, maybe not the picture in picture video,
0:49:02although that can make you more productive
0:49:03because you're not just watching a video,
0:49:04you're doing other stuff,
0:49:05but these are productivity features.
0:49:07And I think that's an important thing about that,
0:49:09that announcement is that these are features
0:49:12designed to make iOS on an iPad more capable
0:49:16of being a productivity tool.
0:49:20And we know from people like Federico
0:49:22that you can use it to be productive now,
0:49:26but this certainly makes it easier to be productive
0:49:30and lets you be more efficient and more productive.
0:49:33And maybe when I think of something like
0:49:35that trackpad feature on the keyboard,
0:49:38I think maybe make people who want to use the iPad
0:49:42for productivity, but just, you know, when they try,
0:49:45they end up saying, oh, it's too slow.
0:49:47I've gotta move the little cursor around with my finger
0:49:51and press delete a bunch of times.
0:49:53It's not like on my laptop where I can just zip around.
0:49:55And this may be the kind of feature
0:49:57that makes somebody who had dreamed about it
0:50:00but had just said, "Look, the iPad, it's just not realistic."
0:50:03Take a second look and say, "Oh, actually, the iPad."
0:50:07It really felt like, this is the first time we've had
0:50:09something that felt like a cursor in iOS.
0:50:13And it's only text selection,
0:50:15but it still, it felt like a cursor, right?
0:50:17You're moving that I-beam cursor around
0:50:20with those two fingers.
0:50:22And that's, you know, this is the iPad inching closer
0:50:27to a traditional desktop computer metaphor,
0:50:30which I think is also really interesting.
0:50:32But it's a use case where the desktop computer
0:50:34is just way more efficient than the iPad input is.
0:50:38So really clever, looked really good,
0:50:41the proof will be in the use obviously,
0:50:44but just super exciting.
0:50:47- And Siri is a personal assistant now.
0:50:50Siri, in fact, is a brand for finding information
0:50:53and not about speaking, because they described Siri
0:50:58as being the information source behind
0:51:01our natural language search in the search box.
0:51:06Even though you weren't talking, you were typing,
0:51:09they were saying Siri knows about these things.
0:51:11So Apple is sort of making it clear
0:51:14that what they view as Siri now
0:51:16is this personal information assistant,
0:51:18not just the thing that speaks to you.
0:51:22- So there's the natural language questions
0:51:24you can ask yourself.
0:51:26It has more data like for sports
0:51:28and you can ask it questions like,
0:51:31they have an example on the website,
0:51:33what's 18% of 56, 78, you can type that stuff in now.
0:51:37So this stuff happens typing not just talking,
0:51:41which is really good, I like that a lot.
0:51:43And then it has the news stuff
0:51:45and we mentioned the deep search,
0:51:47but it's also trying to do a little bit of what Google Now on Tap is doing.
0:51:52So you've got something up and you can get it to remind you,
0:51:56so remind me of this later on,
0:51:58and it will take the content from the message or the web page or whatever and do that.
0:52:02Siri will add invites to your calendar automatically,
0:52:07and will make more smart reminders for it,
0:52:11like invitation, event alarms and stuff like that.
0:52:15So it's saying like, you have an appointment at six o'clock,
0:52:18there's some traffic right now, you should leave.
0:52:20This is good stuff.
0:52:21- Time to leave feature.
0:52:24Yeah, and I had a couple of people ask me on Twitter
0:52:27during the keynote, what makes this different
0:52:30than what Google's doing?
0:52:31And you know, we all just said that Google
0:52:32was doing creepy things, and why is this not creepy?
0:52:35The answer is, it may or may not feel creepy to you
0:52:37that a computer knows things about you,
0:52:39but as far as I can tell, the big difference is,
0:52:42everything that's happening here is happening on the device.
0:52:44Whereas much of what Google does happens in the cloud.
0:52:47- And it's up to you if you find that creepy.
0:52:51- Sure, sure, but it doesn't compromise Apple Store here,
0:52:55which is it's your information on your device.
0:52:57But it's good, Apple needs to do this.
0:53:01This is a place where Apple is behind very clearly
0:53:05in putting all this information together
0:53:07and making it easy to find things
0:53:09and to have the computer make some assumptions about you
0:53:13because it knows a lot of information about you
0:53:16and try to help you out.
0:53:18This is all good stuff.
0:53:20We'll see how it works in practice, right?
0:53:22They do these demos and they blow us away.
0:53:24And then in practice, we find that half of the stuff
0:53:26doesn't really work right.
0:53:27- Yeah, so you've always got a reserve judgment
0:53:30on these kinds of things.
0:53:31And then they rounded it off
0:53:32with what they called the foundation enhancements,
0:53:35which are working optimizing battery life,
0:53:38including a new, what's it like, battery reserve mode,
0:53:42kind of like the watch reserve mode, I guess.
0:53:45They didn't really give any information on this.
0:53:46- A low power mode, they said, that on stage said,
0:53:51pulls levers you didn't even know existed
0:53:53to give an additional three hours extended battery life.
0:53:55I think this is the place where I wrote down
0:53:59two of the biggest announcements of the day happened
0:54:01at the end of an iOS section, almost as an aside.
0:54:05And one of them is that according to Apple,
0:54:08iOS 9 will,
0:54:11They focused on real world use cases for battery life
0:54:15and said that in typical use,
0:54:18a phone running iOS 9 will last an hour more.
0:54:23And that low power mode can extend
0:54:27an additional three hours of battery time.
0:54:31And then the second big one was
0:54:35you needed 4.6 gigabytes free to install iOS 8
0:54:38and you'll need 1.3 gigabytes.
0:54:40And we talked about this a while ago on the show,
0:54:42about like, what could they improve in iOS?
0:54:44And this was huge that they've cut by,
0:54:48you know, it's a quarter of the amount of space
0:54:51that was required for the last update.
0:54:53'Cause a lot of people didn't update
0:54:55because they had no room.
0:54:56I think one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption
0:55:00is less than it's been in the past
0:55:02is that, that people couldn't do it.
0:55:05It's 83%, which is good, but it could be better.
0:55:09And one of the reasons it's not is
0:55:10if you only have two gigabytes free,
0:55:12you're just not gonna update
0:55:13because it needs four and a half.
0:55:15And so they've really reduced that.
0:55:16I think that's two huge pieces of news.
0:55:19Making the iPhone's battery last an hour longer
0:55:22in common circumstances is a giant deal.
0:55:26And I thought it was interesting
0:55:27that they just kind of tossed it in there.
0:55:28Like yeah, battery's gonna be,
0:55:29maybe they don't wanna oversell it,
0:55:31but for me, I just read that and thought that's huge.
0:55:34Just extending battery life in the iPhone at all,
0:55:36plus offering a setting where you can be like,
0:55:37I'm really worried, I've gotta go a long time
0:55:39and I'm starting to run out of battery,
0:55:41also a really nice powerful feature.
0:55:44That again, there are some Android phones that do that now,
0:55:46but Apple has not ever done that before,
0:55:49and it's good to see them doing it.
0:55:50They're promising better performance everywhere,
0:55:52and they also said that iOS 9 is gonna run
0:55:54on every device that iOS 8 ran on, which is good.
0:55:56No cutoffs this year.
0:55:58In the chat room, our friend Dan Morin,
0:56:00I don't even know where he is right now,
0:56:02but he's near us somewhere, says that if your phone knows
0:56:06that it's phased down on a table
0:56:08and won't turn the screen on when you receive a notification.
0:56:11I mean, smart, right?
0:56:12- That's smart stuff.
0:56:14Just using the sensors that you have
0:56:16to understand the context of the phone,
0:56:19therefore allowing it to make more smart decisions.
0:56:21- And it goes back to watching how people use your device
0:56:26and what they use it for and making smart changes
0:56:31to the features based on that, just observing them.
0:56:35And I saw that a lot today.
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0:59:25Hey, I'm back!
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0:59:33- WatchOS 2.
0:59:34- WatchOS.
0:59:35- WatchOS, WatchOS.
0:59:36- Lowercase W, no space.
0:59:38- I don't like that.
0:59:39- It's weird.
0:59:40- So they have some new features.
0:59:42We have some new watch faces.
0:59:43I was kind of underwhelmed by this.
0:59:45They have time lapses of certain cities and photos.
0:59:49I was really hoping for some other watch faces
0:59:52that have loads of complications
0:59:54like the ones we have now.
0:59:55That's what I wanted to see.
0:59:57Yeah, it's not impossible that between now and the fall they will have some more.
1:00:01I mean, they don't need to communicate to customers or developers that there'll be some
1:00:06other watch faces, so they could add others or they could not.
1:00:10I'm excited.
1:00:14When this was just an idea, the Apple Watch, when they had the two events and we hadn't
1:00:18actually used the final product, I think we thought a lot about the idea of custom watch
1:00:24and having used the watch I started to think much more about custom
1:00:30complications and like the faces are nice there could be more of them but
1:00:35they're nice but the complications are so limited there are just these few
1:00:39stock ones that Apple has provided and it turns out this was for me this was
1:00:43the big news on the watch side of the day is yes native apps we knew that
1:00:48would happen and that's that's got some potential but also that native apps
1:00:54presumably will be able to push data into complications so that I can take
1:01:00data from the Major League Baseball app of the my favorite team's current score
1:01:05and have it appear as a as a complication or the one that I keep
1:01:11thinking of is weather underground I've got the temperature on my weather
1:01:14station at my house on Weather Underground, I would like to see that
1:01:18temperature on my watch, not the, you know, whatever forecast Yahoo weather
1:01:23temperature that's wrong. I want the real one, and an app knows that, so my watch
1:01:28should be able to show that. Now with this complications, third-party
1:01:30complications, we get that. That's gonna be exciting stuff. I'm thinking that with
1:01:36third-party complications, I may go into a, like, setting of having different
1:01:40customized watch faces, because you can set up different ones, right? Yeah, of the
1:01:44the same face even, which is great.
1:01:45- Yeah, I would have like my travel watch face,
1:01:47which has my flight information and stuff.
1:01:48I think that might be good to then set up
1:01:51and to play around with.
1:01:51- Yeah, I agree.
1:01:52I mean, people are doing some of that now,
1:01:55but it's gonna become even more so,
1:01:56because there's only so much space
1:01:57and different complications.
1:01:59One thing they didn't talk about
1:02:00that I do think ultimately they need to do is deal with,
1:02:02maybe it's in there and we just don't know,
1:02:05'cause it didn't make it into the keynote,
1:02:06but I like the idea of complications
1:02:08that are aware of certain kinds of states.
1:02:13An example with the existing one is when the calendar complication gets to "No more events of the day,"
1:02:19it just says "No more events," which is just dumb.
1:02:22And I wonder if, at some point down the road, you should be able to do things like say,
1:02:27"I know that you're about to have a trip, so now I'm going to put up the travel complication,"
1:02:37or something like that. And that's probably a ways off, but I feel like that's the next intelligent agent step for the watch.
1:02:43that goes hand in hand with the Siri stuff.
1:02:45Like eventually that stuff should filter into the flight.
1:02:47- Right, it should know,
1:02:48I can call up your flight information now and display it
1:02:51because now I know you're about to go on that flight.
1:02:54But otherwise I'm not gonna show it.
1:02:55I'm just gonna show you this other,
1:02:58some other piece of information that's relevant.
1:03:01- Time travel is an interesting one.
1:03:02So when you're on the watch face.
1:03:04- From the people who brought you Time Machine,
1:03:06now there's time travel.
1:03:08- Basically you can spin the digital crown
1:03:10in either direction
1:03:10and it will update complications accordingly.
1:03:13So for example, your calendar will show you
1:03:15what's coming next or what's past,
1:03:18the temperature stuff will change, that kind of thing.
1:03:20And it'd be interesting, I don't know what's happened
1:03:23with some apps, but there is an element of understanding
1:03:27what's going on in the past and in the future
1:03:30with this kind of thing.
1:03:30- Right, they showed the Volkswagen app
1:03:32that was trying to estimate, basically,
1:03:34as you moved into the future,
1:03:35it was able to provide an estimate
1:03:37for how much your electric car would be charged
1:03:40- That doesn't make any sense to me, that one.
1:03:42So you could use it the next day.
1:03:44Like that one, I get what they're doing,
1:03:46but that example doesn't work.
1:03:48- Well, it makes sense if you are,
1:03:52I think what it makes sense is if you know
1:03:54you need to drive, so when I went to New Jersey,
1:03:58Lex Friedman picked me up at the airport,
1:04:00and he can get to the airport and back
1:04:02with his electric car, sort of just barely,
1:04:05but he can get it, but it needs to be fully charged.
1:04:07So I can see a scenario where you're looking,
1:04:10you're checking and you wanna see,
1:04:12is the car gonna be fully charged?
1:04:14I'm going somewhere and I need it fully charged.
1:04:16When's that going to be?
1:04:17And your car's app will be able to know
1:04:21and give time machine, not time machine,
1:04:24time machine, time travel.
1:04:25Time machine backs things up.
1:04:27Time travel, completely different.
1:04:28Use a time machine for time travel.
1:04:29That's really confusing.
1:04:31Time travel will let you see,
1:04:33oh, I only need about 60% battery.
1:04:35I'll get that in two hours.
1:04:37Yeah, that may not be the most practical demonstration,
1:04:39but I can see where you could use that.
1:04:41Also, we should say this is a behavior
1:04:43that's in current watch faces now.
1:04:44It's in the astronomy and solar faces
1:04:47that if you move the, in those, if you move the crown,
1:04:50you can go forward and backward in time.
1:04:52And so they've applied that to other faces
1:04:56as this concept of sort of like seeing what's happening.
1:04:59And it lets you see what's coming in your calendar later,
1:05:03for example, if you've got a calendar complication,
1:05:05which is interesting.
1:05:06Somebody, I think, I may be stealing something
1:05:09from Ask Upgrade, but somebody asked about how this relates
1:05:11to maybe being Apple's response to the timeline view
1:05:14in Pebble Time.
1:05:16- Yeah, let me find that question, 'cause that, oh, no.
1:05:19- And I'm not sure whether it's a response or not,
1:05:22but it seems to be Apple's attempt to solve
1:05:24the same problem.
1:05:25- Yeah, that came from Oz.
1:05:26He asked, "Do you think the time travel thing
1:05:27"is a response to the timeline interface?"
1:05:30I think, I mean, I look at that,
1:05:32and my feeling would be that Apple saw that
1:05:35and was like, "That's smart.
1:05:36"We could do that."
1:05:37- Yeah, it's possible, or it was on a parallel
1:05:39track, but it's certainly trying to solve the same problem, which is, okay, I've got
1:05:43this calendar complication, it shows me one thing, what if I want to scroll through my
1:05:47calendar? Well, you can open the calendar app, but now you can just spin the crown and
1:05:52move forward in time.
1:05:54So we also have something that, so basically you now turn your watch into an alarm clock,
1:06:01like an actual digital alarm clock on your nightstand, by putting your watch into a position
1:06:05that nobody does.
1:06:08I certainly don't, you don't, Stephen doesn't.
1:06:10Laying it on its side, the non-button side,
1:06:14and it displays--
1:06:15- Clipping the charger to the back.
1:06:16- Yeah, clip the charger to the back,
1:06:17and it displays a clock, and it'll--
1:06:21- Your next alarm.
1:06:22- And your alarm, and you can press the crown to snooze,
1:06:25and you can press the other button to turn it off,
1:06:27and it's like, alarm clock mode for your watch,
1:06:30which is super clever.
1:06:31I have never thought to put my watch in that orientation,
1:06:35but I guess I'll try it tonight and see what happens.
1:06:37And all of these stands.
1:06:39- All the stands.
1:06:40- So none of them are in that orientation.
1:06:44- No.
1:06:45- So now there needs to be new stands.
1:06:46- Yeah.
1:06:47- Not newsstand, newsstands.
1:06:49- No, newsstands.
1:06:51- Newsstands that work in this orientation,
1:06:55which is very sad.
1:06:55I feel terrible for people like 12 South.
1:06:59Like that's sad.
1:07:01So obviously we got what we wanted.
1:07:04we get native apps and there's, yeah,
1:07:07there's, I don't really know what to say here.
1:07:10There's gonna be native apps.
1:07:12- Yeah, and this is big because right now the UI,
1:07:14well, Apple didn't say a lot about it either.
1:07:16Apple said, "Hey, the UI, you know, was on the watch,
1:07:20but the all the logic was happening on the iPhone app
1:07:22and now it won't, it'll be on the watch, yay."
1:07:24And then they moved on.
1:07:26- Because I guess the people that know what that means
1:07:28are happy with that, they don't need to say anymore.
1:07:30- Well, there's more sessions at WWDC,
1:07:32but I think they felt they didn't want to dive deeper.
1:07:34- It wasn't necessary.
1:07:35- Well, I mean, they did go into a list of things
1:07:38that it does, right?
1:07:39So it can use the network when you're on wifi,
1:07:44which there were a couple of people I know mentioned
1:07:47sort of like, well, why does that matter?
1:07:50And it matters that if your phone is at home,
1:07:52but you're at the market on the market's wifi,
1:07:55those apps can use the network,
1:07:58even though they're not attached to your phone.
1:08:00Right now, that wouldn't work
1:08:01because without your phone nearby,
1:08:03they don't run those apps over the internet.
1:08:07- Do you know where that's better?
1:08:08The gym.
1:08:09- Yeah, exactly, right?
1:08:10- So the gym's wifi.
1:08:12- Yeah, yeah.
1:08:12So even if you're nowhere near well,
1:08:14there your phone and your watch might be on the same wifi
1:08:18if you bring your watch to the gym.
1:08:19- Well, you don't have to take your phone to the gym.
1:08:20- But you don't have to take the phone to the gym, right.
1:08:23I mean, for me, the example is I walk over to Whole Foods
1:08:25and I just have my watch on.
1:08:26I get to Whole Foods and I'm on the Whole Foods wifi,
1:08:29all the apps in my watch will just work
1:08:30or I go to Starbucks and I'm on the Starbucks Wi-Fi,
1:08:33they just work.
1:08:34So that's a big plus.
1:08:36They have access, they can play audio out of the speaker
1:08:39or to Bluetooth headphones.
1:08:40They can play video.
1:08:42- Use the microphone.
1:08:43- They can use the microphone.
1:08:44They said long or short form audio and short form video.
1:08:49I thought that was interesting. - Yeah, Vines.
1:08:50- Do not play YouTube videos in here.
1:08:52- Nope.
1:08:53- But Vines you could do.
1:08:54Access to health kit including heart rate,
1:08:57home kit access natively on the watch, accelerometer access,
1:09:00the Taptic Engine where you can choose.
1:09:02It sounds like you don't say buzz the Taptic Engine.
1:09:05What they said was choose from a range of feelings.
1:09:09So you'll choose from an emotion palette, I guess,
1:09:13a vibration and sound pairing that have been curated for you
1:09:17presumably by Apple's sound vibration,
1:09:20Taptic pairing sommeliers or whatever.
1:09:25But you could do that.
1:09:26So you can, if you read a native app,
1:09:28'cause right now the existing Watch
1:09:44that I would give is it's a big win for apps
1:09:46that need that stuff, you know,
1:09:49because there are a lot of watch apps
1:09:50that I feel are sort of like pointless,
1:09:52but there are also some that will be great
1:09:55when they have access to this stuff.
1:09:57- Do you have anything else you wanted to touch on
1:09:59with the watch?
1:10:00- I don't know.
1:10:03I'll just say I'm looking forward to hearing
1:10:06what developers think of the watchOS stuff,
1:10:09because that's the open question.
1:10:10Anybody listening to ATP has heard Marco talk about,
1:10:13I don't know if I even want to do a native watch app
1:10:17'cause like it's all in the details
1:10:19of what it allows him to do.
1:10:21And as somebody who runs and has a watch
1:10:26and has an iPhone and listens to podcasts,
1:10:28I do kind of like the idea of being able to take
1:10:33Overcast with me with a couple of podcasts
1:10:37and not have to bring my phone with me.
1:10:38I would like to do that.
1:10:39And if the new watch native apps interface
1:10:44allows Marco to build that tool for me,
1:10:46I would love to have it.
1:10:48But there are like 10 things it has to support.
1:10:52And if one of them isn't there, he can't do it.
1:10:56So I'm looking forward to hearing,
1:10:58after the developers all go to all the sessions this week,
1:11:00of course, that they'll report back.
1:11:04And I'm looking forward to that.
1:11:05'Cause that'll give all of us non-developers
1:11:08a little bit of a better sense of scope
1:11:10of what the universe of possible Apple Watch apps is,
1:11:13because it's not gonna be everything we can imagine.
1:11:16There are gonna be limitations,
1:11:18limitations of the operating system,
1:11:20limitations of that little tiny device.
1:11:22It's not that powerful, it's tiny.
1:11:26So I'm looking forward to that,
1:11:27now that it's out in the open,
1:11:29because Apple promised this from day one.
1:11:31Apple said back in September of last year,
1:11:34there will be native apps eventually,
1:11:36and we're getting very close to eventually now,
1:11:38and we finally are gonna have the details.
1:11:40So I'm looking forward to finding out from the developers
1:11:42what they are.
1:11:43- I couldn't help but watch that segment
1:11:45and think you should have just waited and launched at this.
1:11:48- Yeah, honestly, I think you're right now,
1:11:53because although there are some good apps,
1:11:55there are a lot of bad apps,
1:11:57and there's also a lot of,
1:11:58the reliance on that kind of tethering,
1:12:01I have times when apps just don't launch on my watch,
1:12:04and I can't tell why it's happening.
1:12:05They just don't launch.
1:12:07- I just--
1:12:08- And it's different apps at different times.
1:12:09Sometimes they launch, sometimes they don't.
1:12:11Some apps never launch, some apps launch half the time.
1:12:15It's kind of a mess.
1:12:16And they're not that good.
1:12:18I would rather have just had glances, honestly.
1:12:22(laughs)
1:12:23Little information glances.
1:12:25Some-- - On their apps.
1:12:26- Twitterific is good.
1:12:27The Twitterific app is really good.
1:12:29But, you know, I don't know.
1:12:31- There are good apps,
1:12:31but they all suffer from the same problems.
1:12:33and then there are a huge number that are not good.
1:12:36- Yeah, I mean, there'll be loads of not good native apps,
1:12:40but the good native apps will benefit, will be even better.
1:12:44'Cause even the good ones are bad in some ways
1:12:47and it's not the developer's fault that they're bad.
1:12:50Now, the point, so this is really interesting,
1:12:54the music section.
1:12:57Now, we were talking earlier, right at the top of the show,
1:13:01about criticizing positively and negatively
1:13:05the products and the announcements
1:13:07and criticizing the presentation.
1:13:10We didn't even mention the intro video,
1:13:13like the comedy intro video.
1:13:14- We had a couple of videos, right?
1:13:16There was the Bill Hader video at the beginning,
1:13:21which was funny. - Funny, it was good.
1:13:23It worked.
1:13:24- I thought it was funny and making,
1:13:29I mean, it really was like, let's do a Saturday Night Live video about Apple things, making
1:13:33references. There's the birds from Monument Valley were in there.
1:13:37Angry birds get angry, shaking the bird.
1:13:40It was funny. So there was that video. There were a bunch of videos, because there was
1:13:45a video later about how great music is.
1:13:49How great developers are.
1:13:51How great developers are, how the app stores changed the world.
1:13:54Lots of videos, actually.
1:13:55Lots of videos in there.
1:13:57The problem with music is, so for me,
1:14:00as a person that wanted this service,
1:14:02they have given me everything I wanted in theory.
1:14:04I still feel like there's a lot more I need to learn.
1:14:06- So Apple Music is what we're talking about.
1:14:07- Yeah, Apple Music.
1:14:08- It's the Beats Music revised to be Apple Music,
1:14:11new service, which they announced.
1:14:13You didn't really announce that clearly,
1:14:14you just sort of jumped into it.
1:14:16Paralleling, I think, this event,
1:14:20which never really was super clear on what the service was.
1:14:26There are a lot of questions, but the overview of what I've seen is exactly what I want.
1:14:32It's a streaming service that has curation with playlists done by humans.
1:14:38Yeah, and they made a point. That's one of their big differentiators is they really believe in human curators who know and love music.
1:14:45And that they are, they said, you got to go beyond the algorithm. You can't just have an algorithm. You have to have people.
1:14:52And that's what they're pushing here, which was Beats's...
1:14:57Beats tried to make a big thing about that too, and Apple is extending that.
1:15:01And I think that's good. This is very much Beats Music integrated into Apple's music app.
1:15:07The problem was the presentation of this service seemed under-rehearsed,
1:15:14and way too long, and just unfocused.
1:15:22If we get to meta, meta, if we pull back to meta key, key note criticism as a presentation,
1:15:29I felt like the first 90 minutes of the pre-- this presentation was really, really good.
1:15:32Yep.
1:15:33Tight, focused, disciplined, on message.
1:15:39The last segment with music was none of those things.
1:15:43It was flabby, it was undisciplined, it was self-indulgent, it failed to sell the product.
1:15:50I will, as somebody who was at Macworld Expo in New York
1:15:55in 2001 where John Rubenstein spent like half an hour
1:15:59with weird animations of how the megahertz myth
1:16:02wasn't real of Apple versus Intel,
1:16:04this is the worst keynote performance since then,
1:16:08this segment.
1:16:09This was a bad, they did a bad job.
1:16:12- Yeah.
1:16:13- And part of that might be,
1:16:13well, those music guys, they're crazy,
1:16:16but I gotta say, there was a moment in there
1:16:19when Eddie Q was joking around on stage where I thought,
1:16:24oh, this is what people mean when they say
1:16:27that they find Apple presentations insufferable and arrogant.
1:16:30And I don't generally agree with that.
1:16:32I think that those people are generally wrong,
1:16:34but it was like I was taken through the looking glass
1:16:37for a moment there, 'cause I thought it was awful.
1:16:39I thought they did a bad job.
1:16:41They didn't sell the product,
1:16:43and it was various degrees of embarrassing.
1:16:48degrees of embarrassing. I mean, I thought Eddie Q went on way too long, like he was
1:16:52really enjoying being on stage and was wasting our time.
1:16:55He was playing so much music it didn't make any sense.
1:16:56He was playing music loudly while talking, he was giving us a demo. I mean, if we want
1:17:00to talk about the discipline here, he was giving us a demo of the music app. Like, this
1:17:04is a... it felt like a presentation of a music service by people who don't understand how
1:17:09to present services, and so they just presented an app and showed the music service inside
1:17:13the app, but I don't think that did a good job of showing it. Like, yes, we know
1:17:17how the music app works, but is the big story here that they revamped the music
1:17:23app or that there's a whole music service backing it? And it felt like at
1:17:26times that the music app was the story. There was also a really funny moment, I
1:17:30actually had to lean over to Dan Morin and say, did I just hear that right? Where
1:17:33he said, say we want to find an album. What we do is we tap on this button down
1:17:37at the bottom that says "Artists." And the answer is it's like a toggle for
1:17:42for all your different search types.
1:17:44But in that moment I was like,
1:17:45wow, that's really bad user interface design.
1:17:47To find albums, tap artists.
1:17:49To find artists, tap albums.
1:17:51Because it's never the thing you want to search for,
1:17:53it's the thing that you're already looking at.
1:17:55But again, I was like, this is an app demo
1:17:59and the service is the story,
1:18:00so why are you demoing the app and not the service?
1:18:04Jimmy Iovine's presentation was rambly and--
1:18:06- He either didn't care or was really nervous.
1:18:09I can't decide which one it was.
1:18:12And that one was amazing because I felt like
1:18:14if this was a third, somebody they carted out
1:18:18from some other, from a record company
1:18:20to make a presentation, they would have said,
1:18:22"Look, you got 30 seconds and then we're just gonna
1:18:24"come back out there and get you
1:18:25"and turn off your microphone."
1:18:26But he works for the company now.
1:18:28They can't turn off his mic.
1:18:29They can't use the big hook to pull him off stage.
1:18:31He works for Apple.
1:18:32So they just left him out there.
1:18:34And then they brought Drake out.
1:18:36And Drake, which was literally like,
1:18:38I mean, again, again, I think this is the difference
1:18:40between the tech industry and the music industry,
1:18:42music industry, it's like schmoozing and talking up the artists and all this stuff, and that's
1:18:48the problem I have with this presentation, I think fundamentally, in addition to it being
1:18:51undisciplined and way too long and having no focus, is that it didn't feel like it was
1:18:56about the consumers so much as about paying service to the music industry.
1:19:00Drake was supposed to come on stage to explain the connect feature.
1:19:03Yeah, to say this is what I'm really excited about connecting with my fans.
1:19:06Instead, he told his story.
1:19:08I don't know why he did that.
1:19:10And then went away again.
1:19:12That just...
1:19:13Oh, yeah.
1:19:14So, you know, I'm a Beats Music user.
1:19:17I think this...
1:19:18I'm excited about this.
1:19:19It sounds like Beats Music users will be able to log in at the end of the month and basically
1:19:25transfer all of their stuff over, I think, to Apple Music.
1:19:30I think any credit that you've got in Beats Music transfers to iTunes.
1:19:34There's a whole process that'll happen.
1:19:36It seems like most of the Beats Music features are there and then they've been maybe augmented
1:19:39a little bit, but, um, and they're doing this, uh, they're doing this radio station thing,
1:19:45which like, um, like, uh, like, podcasting is worldwide and immediate, which is nice,
1:19:51instead of like being in four countries that's gonna be everywhere, with your guy, Zane Lowe.
1:19:56So Zane Lowe's heading beats one. Now, I have a, I, I can see why they're calling it beats
1:20:04one because eventually there'll be beats two and there'll be beats three.
1:20:10Zane Lowe came from Radio One. Radio One's logo looks incredibly like Beats One's logo
1:20:18and I'm not sure why they have decided to go that route. I don't know if he advised
1:20:24on it and Apple have not done due diligence but there are...
1:20:30Trademark issues?
1:20:31think
1:20:50channel that is DJ'd. That is not taking into account different music tastes. And it seemed
1:20:56like they will have other radio, but that's going to be the radio that they criticised.
1:21:01Which I didn't understand. The playlist radio. But there is going to be a curated radio which
1:21:06I will tune into because Zane Lowe is amazing. And do you know what they spoke about which
1:21:09I found so exciting? They said they are building radio programs. They are creating radio programs
1:21:17and they're hiring people to make those.
1:21:18They have three DJs, whose names I can't remember,
1:21:21and they're New York, LA, and London.
1:21:25- Yeah.
1:21:26- And the lady who was the London DJ
1:21:29was doing the voiceover for the video.
1:21:31- That's Julie in London.
1:21:34- Julie in London, there you go.
1:21:35And so the service looks to me exactly what I want.
1:21:40Apple did a horrific job of presenting that.
1:21:43- And that's what I was getting at, you know,
1:21:45is I can criticize the presentation.
1:21:48I think the service is really interesting.
1:21:50In fact, one of the reasons I feel like
1:21:52I have to criticize the presentation even more
1:21:55is that you can kind of forgive them
1:21:59from obfuscating something that's not any good
1:22:02and being like, "Look, look, fireworks, sparklers,
1:22:06"an elephant, woo!"
1:22:08There's this thing, it's the Motorola Rocker, yeah!
1:22:12Right?
1:22:14But this looks good.
1:22:16It's Apple's first foray into music streaming subscription service.
1:22:22They mean business.
1:22:23They're putting it on Android.
1:22:25They mean business here.
1:22:26I know, right?
1:22:27And yet, so one of the reasons that I'm this critical of the way that they presented it
1:22:33is I think they did a bad job of presenting a good product.
1:22:35And that's offensive to me more than anything else.
1:22:37It's like, come on guys, you had this really interesting thing and you rolled it out in
1:22:42this just bloated egocentric, you know, and it doesn't help that there was that
1:22:46video not too much before this where they, where somebody literally compared
1:22:51the App Store to the Industrial Revolution. That was priming the pump a
1:22:55little bit of like, really? That is laying it on pretty thick. But the music thing
1:22:59just put it to shame. The, the, the Eddy Cue dancing to music and the karaoke
1:23:04references and the Jimmy Iovine's rambling and Drake not being sure why he
1:23:09was there like, you know, he just turned up.
1:23:12- They were writing jokes for him
1:23:13that he didn't understand, like the revolutionary,
1:23:15like it's three things, a revolutionary music service.
1:23:17- Oh, well that killed me that Jimmy Iovine was making,
1:23:19that slide makes reference to Steve Jobs thing,
1:23:22I thought that's where he was going,
1:23:23which is why everybody laughed.
1:23:23- He didn't get the joke.
1:23:24- And instead he's confused why people are laughing,
1:23:26he looks behind him at the slide, he goes, "Oh yeah!"
1:23:29Like, he doesn't really even understand what was happening.
1:23:31And that would have been funny,
1:23:32like Apple Music is three things,
1:23:35it's a revolutionary this, it's the, are you getting it?
1:23:37That would have been a funny bit.
1:23:38Instead, he was just confused and rambly and, you know.
1:23:43- Make a new endo.
1:23:45- It's saying something that Eddy Cue
1:23:46was the third worst presenter in that segment.
1:23:49(laughing)
1:23:50There's Drake, we got Drake.
1:23:52Drake's at the top.
1:23:53- Ah, really far.
1:23:56- It was not good.
1:23:57So it's 90 minutes of good,
1:23:58and then there was this kind of like flabby,
1:24:01unfocused thing at the end to launch the service,
1:24:04and the services are better.
1:24:06Do you know what it's just done?
1:24:07What it's just done here, it's gonna do everywhere.
1:24:09We're talking about how bad the presentation was
1:24:11and not how good the product is.
1:24:13We haven't even said about how much it's gonna cost,
1:24:15we haven't spoken about any of that.
1:24:15- Which is why I was saying, this is really useful
1:24:18when you are trying to hide things.
1:24:20But when you've got something you wanna stand behind,
1:24:23unless this is like, well, let's analyze
1:24:26Eddy Cue's blinking for Morse code,
1:24:27perhaps he's sending secret messages to the music industry.
1:24:30And this whole thing is pitched at artists
1:24:34to get them excited because it certainly felt like, you know, music industry puffery about
1:24:40how great Apple is and artists and we love them and all of that instead of being pitch
1:24:43to consumers.
1:24:44Maybe that was the point.
1:24:46Maybe this is all about how, you know, Taylor Swift really ought to talk, you know, call
1:24:50at EQ and call Jimmy Iovine and get in on this great thing.
1:24:55But it's a shame if you're trying to make a clear message of this new service that you're
1:25:00you're launching.
1:25:01So it's $9.99 a month.
1:25:03First three months are gonna be free.
1:25:06It launches at the end of June.
1:25:08So people are gonna get to use it for three months for free.
1:25:10Then it's $9.99 a month or $14.99 a month
1:25:14for up to six members of your family.
1:25:16That uses iTunes family sharing to do that.
1:25:21But that means that your kids' music tastes
1:25:24are not recommended for you, which is key.
1:25:28That's important.
1:25:29And yeah, yeah, and Android. Android in the fall.
1:25:37So I'm looking at they've got a free tier, they've got a paid tier.
1:25:41So the free tier, you can view and follow artists on Kinect, you can listen to Beats 1,
1:25:45and you can listen to Apple Music radio stations.
1:25:48Sure.
1:25:49But you can't skip them.
1:25:51And then with the paid tier, you can skip the radio stations, like the Curate radio stations, that kind of thing.
1:25:57You can play and save connect content.
1:25:59You can like connect content or radio songs.
1:26:02Enjoy unlimited listening from the music library.
1:26:04Add stuff from the music library to your collection.
1:26:06Save for offline and get the expert music recommendations.
1:26:09That's what comes with paying for Apple Music.
1:26:11- And that's basically what we have now, right?
1:26:13That's like you're paying for Beats music.
1:26:15iTunes Match exists, it's sold separately.
1:26:18It's not integrated in any way.
1:26:19And yeah, so it's, if you want to stream, you can do that.
1:26:26but if you want to skip or have access to the library, you pay.
1:26:30And then that I think it makes sense. I just am a little, it was weird.
1:26:34It was really weird that that struck me as a nice 15 minute, um,
1:26:39capper to the event. And instead it was this 30 minutes, just bizarre thing.
1:26:44It was like Merlin man summed it up greatly in an ask upgrade tweet to us.
1:26:48He said, for real, please explain Apple music slowly to me.
1:26:51It's beats plus iTunes match plus social something like, yeah. I mean,
1:26:56That was what they needed to explain.
1:26:57- Right, and it's not iTunes match.
1:26:59Yeah, it's iTunes match.
1:27:01When you think about it, it makes sense.
1:27:02iTunes match is more of a service for people who own music.
1:27:04- Well, I mean, the thing is it's not iTunes match,
1:27:06but they did say that the stuff that you have bought
1:27:09will show up in your Apple music library.
1:27:11- Yes.
1:27:12- So it is kind of like iTunes match.
1:27:14- Right.
1:27:16- Yeah, as long as you're--
1:27:17- Well, if I buy a Taylor Swift CD and rip it,
1:27:21it's in my iTunes library for iTunes match,
1:27:23but I'm pretty sure if I'm just,
1:27:27if that's not on the service,
1:27:28then it's not gonna show up.
1:27:29- But that doesn't matter because you can just,
1:27:31I don't even know why they do it anyway.
1:27:33- Yeah.
1:27:34- I think it just shows up in your library automatically.
1:27:36I think that's the thing.
1:27:37- Maybe automagically.
1:27:38- Yeah, automagically.
1:27:39- That's even better.
1:27:40- So should we do this mask upgrade?
1:27:43- Yeah, let's do it.
1:27:43Let's do it.
1:27:44We'll move on.
1:27:45Enough negativity about--
1:27:46- I'm really excited about Apple Music.
1:27:49This is exactly what we have been speaking about.
1:27:51- I think the Beats 1 thing is really a cool idea too.
1:27:53Yeah, I love that. We've been talking about this on Connected for months and this is exactly
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1:28:08Maybe it'll be like having a baby, you know, in the end you get the baby and you don't
1:28:11have to worry about how awful the experience was, you just forget that part. Maybe it'll
1:28:16be like that.
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1:30:23- I have some follow up from Leon in the chat room.
1:30:25So this comes from Apple's pages.
1:30:27- Leon keeps pasting things in.
1:30:28See, I haven't read Apple's pages
1:30:29because I just went to the keynote.
1:30:31- We just walked right in.
1:30:32- All my information about Apple Music
1:30:34is the information content of the presentation
1:30:37about Apple Music, which as we've just detailed,
1:30:39it was not a lot.
1:30:41- Your entire library lives in iCloud
1:30:44when you're an Apple Music member.
1:30:46First, we identify all the tracks
1:30:48in your personal collection and compare them
1:30:50to add to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies.
1:30:53If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud
1:30:56across all your devices.
1:30:57If you have music that's not in the Apple Music library,
1:31:00we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC
1:31:03and because it's all stored in iCloud.
1:31:06So it's available everywhere.
1:31:07So it is iTunes match.
1:31:09- Yeah, so basically iTunes match seems to be for people
1:31:12who don't wanna pay for a streaming service.
1:31:14then you just pay for iTunes Match.
1:31:17- Steven Hackett, ladies and gentlemen.
1:31:19- That's interesting.
1:31:20Well then, if that's the case,
1:31:21then I can just let my iTunes Match subscription lapse.
1:31:24- Mine renewed like a week ago,
1:31:26and I forgot about it. - Yeah, I wonder
1:31:26if I could talk them into transferring that into credit
1:31:29or something since I've already got, I don't know.
1:31:32But yeah, then it is, it has that feature inside it.
1:31:35- I have a small selection of Ask Upgrade.
1:31:38- Yes, we got a lot, and thank you everybody.
1:31:40- Yeah, we got a lot.
1:31:40We actually answered a bunch of them throughout the episode.
1:31:42So I've gone in and I've picked out the stuff
1:31:44that I think is left that we haven't yet spoken about.
1:31:46So this comes from Ben.
1:31:48What is the significance of Apple making Swift open source?
1:31:52This is something I don't really get.
1:31:57- Well, okay, my guess is that the advantage of that
1:32:00is that it can't be seen as a proprietary thing
1:32:03that Apple can run away with,
1:32:06that theoretically somebody could implement Swift elsewhere
1:32:09on other platforms and that would be okay.
1:32:11I'm not sure if it has any practical use or not.
1:32:14I would like to hear a developer who's familiar with platforms
1:32:18and languages and things like that talk more about it.
1:32:23I like that Apple's open about it and not trying to say,
1:32:25"No, no, this is ours. Stay away."
1:32:27-I guess listen to ATP, right? -Yeah.
1:32:29-You'll get what you need. -Yeah.
1:32:31Basically, I want to hear what Jon has to say about it.
1:32:33-Yeah. -So that's a follow-out,
1:32:35future follow-out.
1:32:37-From Nathan, would you have expected Apple
1:32:39to address stability or issues like discovery D in this venue?
1:32:44Or do you think they'll do this in other points
1:32:46at WWDC in the week?
1:32:49Or just completely gloss over it and just be like,
1:32:53"Just say what they said. We're making it better."
1:32:55-There's probably a session somewhere
1:32:57where they'll talk about it that's about,
1:32:59you know, some esoteric something involving
1:33:02low-level networking or networking APIs
1:33:07or something like that where somebody will say,
1:33:09"Oh yeah, we brought back the old one
1:33:12'cause it's more stable and thank you for your feedback
1:33:15and we'll bring back the new one once we're sure
1:33:17that it will work better or something."
1:33:19I think that'll be it.
1:33:21- And then we have from The Hexagon,
1:33:23what do you think of the new photo extensions for Mac?
1:33:27The idea that they're gonna have them,
1:33:29I mean, they kinda mentioned that this might be a thing.
1:33:31Yeah, what do you think about that?
1:33:34- It's good.
1:33:35The more extensions you can add to photos, the better,
1:33:40because that functionality,
1:33:41there's sort of base functionality there.
1:33:43And they suggested when they announced
1:33:45that Aperture was going away,
1:33:46I think they implied that that would happen,
1:33:49and it just hadn't happened with the 1.0.
1:33:51In fact, I think I wrote a little sidebar in my book
1:33:53about photos that says it's a 1.0,
1:33:58and it's entirely possible that their strategy
1:34:02is what it was with Final Cut,
1:34:03which is get the 1.0 out there,
1:34:05and then start adding in all those features
1:34:07that everybody's complaining that aren't there,
1:34:09but they couldn't do it all at once,
1:34:11so they'll roll them in,
1:34:12and maybe that's what we're looking at here,
1:34:15is rolling some of that stuff in now.
1:34:17- Rajeev asked, "Are you surprised
1:34:19"there was no announcement on photos
1:34:21"or iCloud storage pricing?"
1:34:22- I'm not surprised, I'm a little disappointed.
1:34:26I'm not sure that was necessary now.
1:34:28I think they could announce that at any point
1:34:30if they really wanna change their storage pricing.
1:34:32I do feel like it's too high and it's going to depress use of these services, but, you know, if that's--
1:34:40Apple has better numbers about that. All I have is my, you know, opinions.
1:34:44Apple has really good numbers about that sort of thing. I'm sure they have estimates internally about how well they think this is going to sell
1:34:51and how many people are complaining that they're out of space or whatever and what the size of the average photo library is
1:34:56and all these things that they probably know, and if they feel like they're not living up
1:35:02to what they expect and suspect that it's because their pricing is too high, then they'll
1:35:06change it. I don't think they need to do it today. I'm a little disappointed because it
1:35:09would have been, I want it to happen, I want them to be more competitive with their rates,
1:35:14but you know, they could do that. They could literally do that anytime and not even tell
1:35:17anybody and just change it. They don't even need an event or a press release.
1:35:22from Josh, does Notes still have the terrible paper background texture?
1:35:26I think so. Yeah, that's unfortunate I think. I wish they would have gotten rid of that.
1:35:32Maybe there's a preference to... I wish, I wish, there won't be, but I wish
1:35:35there was. I don't think there is. I think if they're
1:35:37gonna make the app more sensible and serious, I think they should treat the UI similarly,
1:35:42in my opinion. I think that I don't even understand why in the iOS 7 land it would still look
1:35:48like that and have like this text paper background.
1:35:51- The legal pad thing too is just baffling to me.
1:35:55- Yeah.
1:35:55- Post-it notes.
1:35:57- Yeah, very weird.
1:35:58- No.
1:35:59- Not a fan of that, but we'll see what happens there.
1:36:02I think we've come to the end.
1:36:03- I think so.
1:36:04- So.
1:36:05- We've reached the end now.
1:36:06- We're gonna be doing a bunch of shows
1:36:07from San Francisco this week.
1:36:09There's gonna be a lot more coverage of WVDC.
1:36:11You wanna check out Connected, Clockwise and Rocket.
1:36:14Gonna be a bunch of different angles on this stuff
1:36:17and we're gonna be covering it throughout the week,
1:36:18so you can check those out on relay.fm.
1:36:21There'll be a lot of interesting stuff there
1:36:23that you'll be able to treat your ears to
1:36:26throughout this week as we find out more about this stuff
1:36:30and talk about it as the week goes on,
1:36:31talk to developers, see what they think,
1:36:33and we'll be able to report back to you guys
1:36:36what the word on the street in San Francisco is.
1:36:39- That's right, we're here,
1:36:40we're high atop the relay towers right now,
1:36:42broadcasting live at, like Beats 1.
1:36:46These one will join us later, but we are broadcasting live worldwide with no release, no staggered
1:36:51release windows simultaneously worldwide right now.
1:36:53Just how we do it.
1:36:54From San Francisco.
1:36:56If you want to send us in feedback, follow up, that kind of thing, you know, you can
1:36:59always use #AskUpgrade for that stuff as well as your questions.
1:37:04You can speak to me and Jason personally on Twitter.
1:37:06Jason is @JSNELL, J-S-N-E-L-L-L, and I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. Jason will have some great
1:37:13coverage and thoughts and feelings about this stuff over at sixcolors.com so you can check
1:37:17him out there. I'm sure you'll be getting Dan to help you out with that as well.
1:37:20He's working on something right now, in fact. Wow, look at that.
1:37:23And then we'll be here for Clockwise on Wednesday, hopefully.
1:37:26Yep, so that would be really good stuff. So you can check that out. Thanks again to our
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1:37:34Say goodbye, Jason Snow. Goodbye, Myke Hurley, from a robot.
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