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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 36. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

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00:00:19 ◼   ► Casper, because everyone deserves a great night's sleep and go to meeting.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Make it easy to meet with your team whenever you need to, wherever you are. My name is Myke Hurley

00:00:29 ◼   ► and I am joined as always by the one and only Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:33 ◼   ► - Hi Myke, how's it going?

00:00:35 ◼   ► - I am Dandy, sir, how are you?

00:00:37 ◼   ► - I'm doing good, doing good.

00:00:39 ◼   ► - I'm in a good mood because we have a Myke

00:00:41 ◼   ► at the movies today.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - We do, we do, it's a big one.

00:00:46 ◼   ► And as we'll remind everybody,

00:00:48 ◼   ► because I think some people miss this,

00:00:50 ◼   ► you don't have to listen to Myke at the movies.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Some people write in and say, "Oh, it was so long

00:00:54 ◼   ► "'cause you had the movie thing at the end."

00:00:55 ◼   ► We promise there will be nothing other than,

00:00:59 ◼   ► nothing like of technology value

00:01:01 ◼   ► after we start Myke at the Movies.

00:01:02 ◼   ► It's a bonus.

00:01:03 ◼   ► It's like the ATP post show.

00:01:05 ◼   ► It's a bonus and you don't have to listen.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Nobody's gonna test you on it.

00:01:07 ◼   ► There won't be a quiz on what happens there.

00:01:10 ◼   ► Stuff before that, there will be a quiz.

00:01:12 ◼   ► Check your box.

00:01:13 ◼   ► But not the Myke at the Movies part.

00:01:17 ◼   ► That's just extra.

00:01:18 ◼   ► - Big one today as well, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

00:01:20 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:01:21 ◼   ► - Today's Myke at the Movies.

00:01:23 ◼   ► I do like Myke at the Movies days

00:01:25 ◼   ► because I get to watch a movie for work, it's great.

00:01:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's true.

00:01:30 ◼   ► That's good.

00:01:31 ◼   ► That's sort of my incomparable experience sometimes.

00:01:33 ◼   ► It's like, oh man, I gotta watch this movie.

00:01:36 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:01:38 ◼   ► It's work.

00:01:39 ◼   ► I actually paid for the movie tickets

00:01:41 ◼   ► for when we saw Age of Ultron last week

00:01:42 ◼   ► with the incomparable gang.

00:01:43 ◼   ► The corporation paid for the tickets.

00:01:45 ◼   ► It was like, yep, this is a business trip.

00:01:47 ◼   ► - Yep. - Business trip to see a movie.

00:01:48 ◼   ► It actually was. - It was true.

00:01:49 ◼   ► - Totally legit.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Yeah, crazy.

00:01:51 ◼   ► - We have some follow up.

00:01:54 ◼   ► - We do.

00:01:55 ◼   ► - So I would like to start off the follow up this week

00:01:58 ◼   ► with a message from UpgradingEves.

00:02:01 ◼   ► He has, he did a warning upon us and the listeners.

00:02:06 ◼   ► - This is good stuff.

00:02:07 ◼   ► I've done some follow up research as well,

00:02:10 ◼   ► but explain what UpgradingEves is talking about here.

00:02:13 ◼   ► - This is in regards to some,

00:02:15 ◼   ► I think it was an Ask upgrade that we had last week

00:02:18 ◼   ► from Robert about syncing his documents folder

00:02:22 ◼   ► through iCloud.

00:02:23 ◼   ► we both said "that seems fine, why not go for that?"

00:02:27 ◼   ► This is why not.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Eve says "I would strongly advise against letting the Documents folder sync through

00:02:32 ◼   ► iCloud, Dropbox or anything else, like Chronosync in my case, at least when there is more than

00:02:38 ◼   ► one Mac involved.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Many programs save their preferences and/or working files inside the Documents folder

00:02:44 ◼   ► and if they are synced between two or more Macs with the same programs, these programs

00:02:48 ◼   ► may not be well prepared once these files change without notice."

00:02:51 ◼   ► Just a quick aside, I like the e-schools and programs on the apps.

00:02:55 ◼   ► There are exceptions, like 1Password should have a dedicated folder sync.

00:02:58 ◼   ► In cases like this, a sync is welcomed.

00:03:01 ◼   ► In all other cases, a user need either to decide on a case-by-case basis

00:03:05 ◼   ► if a sync doesn't distribute problems between Macs,

00:03:08 ◼   ► or should do a selective sync and omit the non-document folders of programs.

00:03:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I've got a few things here.

00:03:15 ◼   ► One is, I dispute the concept that many programs save their preferences

00:03:19 ◼   ► inside the Documents folder.

00:03:21 ◼   ► That's not true.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Maybe some do, I'm sure some do,

00:03:24 ◼   ► but most programs on the Mac save their preferences

00:03:28 ◼   ► inside your library folder,

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is not the documents folder.

00:03:33 ◼   ► It's a different folder.

00:03:35 ◼   ► And so I think there's less of an issue here than that,

00:03:39 ◼   ► but it's totally true.

00:03:40 ◼   ► There are programs that if you just dump everything

00:03:43 ◼   ► in your documents folder into iCloud,

00:03:45 ◼   ► you do risk having, or Dropbox or whatever,

00:03:49 ◼   ► you risk having some weird behavior

00:03:50 ◼   ► if you have two Macs that are running

00:03:53 ◼   ► and accessing that information simultaneously.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Things can get weird.

00:03:57 ◼   ► And I actually did some research on photos,

00:04:02 ◼   ► because somebody was asking me about this on Twitter too.

00:04:06 ◼   ► A lot of people have asked about putting photos

00:04:08 ◼   ► on a shared library, like on a server

00:04:12 ◼   ► or in iCloud or in Dropbox.

00:04:15 ◼   ► And the answer is you can't move it to the iCloud drive.

00:04:20 ◼   ► it will error out. Unfriendly error, by the way, not like, "I'm sorry, you can't move

00:04:26 ◼   ► it there." It's more like, "It can't be done!" You know, it's just a weird error. You can

00:04:30 ◼   ► move it to a shared volume, and if somebody else tries to open that library while you

00:04:35 ◼   ► have it open, it also gives you kind of a weird error. It basically says, "I tried to

00:04:41 ◼   ► repair this and I can't," but it won't let you open it if it's open somewhere else. And

00:04:45 ◼   ► if you put on Dropbox, it's really bad because you can absolutely open that library in both

00:04:50 ◼   ► places in Dropbox, and that creates conflicted copies, which the Photos app doesn't see,

00:04:57 ◼   ► and that's not good. So I do think you've got to be really careful when you sync your

00:05:02 ◼   ► documents, and you need to be sure that you're syncing stuff that you actually want to sync.

00:05:08 ◼   ► And you know, I just say caution. This is why I actually suggested last week that you

00:05:12 ◼   ► start moving things over and see how it goes, rather than just sort of like select all of

00:05:17 ◼   ► your documents folder and drag it into iCloud or Dropbox. But I think there are lots of

00:05:21 ◼   ► cases where it works really well, and there are especially, there are also cases like

00:05:26 ◼   ► Eve mentions with password where it's made to work really well, they have a sync system

00:05:33 ◼   ► that they use. But there are other cases where it gets really weird, and I think Eve's advice

00:05:37 ◼   ► is exactly right. If you want to sync something to Dropbox because you want to use that Dropbox

00:05:41 ◼   ► workspace and have it available in the cloud and have it be kind of a backup for you, definitely

00:05:46 ◼   ► consider using the Selective Sync feature and turning it off on all the other Macs so

00:05:50 ◼   ► that they don't see it. For photos, that's what I recommend, is if you really want to

00:05:53 ◼   ► have your photos library also on Dropbox just as a backup, that's okay, but put it in a

00:06:00 ◼   ► folder, turn Selective Sync off on all the other Macs that you have who have access to

00:06:04 ◼   ► that Dropbox, because you could get in some bad situations if you had multiple Macs trying

00:06:11 ◼   ► to open and read that library file at once. And I would like Apple to, it would be nice

00:06:17 ◼   ► if Apple wrote something into Photos that warns you when it tries to open something

00:06:23 ◼   ► from something that looks like a Dropbox folder, or actually actively writes a file into the

00:06:28 ◼   ► package that says, "This is open right now," that Photos checks and says, "Oh, it's got

00:06:35 ◼   ► the 'This is open right now' file in there. Maybe I should warn the user that they should

00:06:39 ◼   ► not open this. But, you know, there are various things that Apple could do, but, you know,

00:06:45 ◼   ► I appreciate it. So I dispute some of the details of what Eve's saying here. I think

00:06:49 ◼   ► it may be a little overblown, but in general, this is true. You should be really careful

00:06:53 ◼   ► when you sync, because some stuff, especially packages, can get really weird. They've got

00:06:58 ◼   ► databases in them, and then you've got different conflicted versions of databases, and things

00:07:02 ◼   ► can get weird really fast.

00:07:04 ◼   ► I do have a little bit more follow-up if you remember on last week's episode I

00:07:10 ◼   ► mentioned that my girlfriend had purchased an Apple watch the day before

00:07:13 ◼   ► and that it was going to be shipping in around sort of late May time the

00:07:19 ◼   ► 27th was the original shipping date a couple days after we recorded it moved

00:07:25 ◼   ► up a week so it was going to be shipping by May 14th and then last Thursday

00:07:30 ◼   ► evening it was out for delivery which was very surprising to everybody. It's the

00:07:34 ◼   ► smaller model right? Yeah it's the 38 millimeter with the white sport band.

00:07:39 ◼   ► Those seem not to be constrained in the same way that the larger models are. No

00:07:43 ◼   ► not at all I mean it because it was you know originally was shipping in like two

00:07:46 ◼   ► to three weeks but it was really interesting that like it said it would

00:07:50 ◼   ► be the end of May then at the middle of May and then without any warning was on

00:07:54 ◼   ► a truck like to be delivered. She was only able to pick it up today quite

00:07:59 ◼   ► unfortunately we were going away for the weekend and it was being delivered to

00:08:02 ◼   ► her office and we had to leave like so she picked it up today so she's kind of

00:08:10 ◼   ► been been setting it up I think at work because I started receiving taps and

00:08:17 ◼   ► heartbeats and doodles and things like that from my girlfriend today now Jason

00:08:23 ◼   ► just sent me his heartbeat as I did now when I receive so this is something that

00:08:28 ◼   ► that I found quite interesting and I'm not the first person to recognize this

00:08:32 ◼   ► but it's a new thing for me. When I send my heartbeat to Jason or I send a doodle

00:08:37 ◼   ► to Casey or I send some taps to Steven, the majority of the time we're joking

00:08:41 ◼   ► around with each other like it's a lot of it's ironic and stuff like that but

00:08:46 ◼   ► doing these things with somebody, what the person that I love like romantically

00:08:51 ◼   ► because I love you all you know, it's a very different experience. It feels

00:08:57 ◼   ► very different. There is something about it where it's like this is a different

00:09:01 ◼   ► thing. This like receiving her heartbeat is a different like it just holds a

00:09:06 ◼   ► different emotional connection and I'm and I'm feeling very positive about that

00:09:11 ◼   ► I like that a lot I like that that is something that we now have in our lives

00:09:14 ◼   ► now I guess it's my case to make sure that she keeps it because she's I think

00:09:19 ◼   ► rightly said she doesn't she doesn't know how it's gonna fit in her life and

00:09:23 ◼   ► she wants to make sure that it can fit in her life so she'll be taking advantage

00:09:26 ◼   ► of the return window if necessary.

00:09:30 ◼   ► That's great. I love that she's trying it out and it'll be interesting to see whether

00:09:33 ◼   ► she does decide to keep it or not and how it fits into her life and how it fits in your

00:09:37 ◼   ► life, your lives together too. I got mine too, the one that I ordered finally showed

00:09:43 ◼   ► up. The black, the space gray with the black band showed up.

00:09:47 ◼   ► So what are you wearing then?

00:09:49 ◼   ► I'm wearing that one right now, but I'm still sort of in this position of not being sure

00:09:54 ◼   ► which one I want to keep and which one I want to get rid of. I think my wife prefers the

00:10:00 ◼   ► black model to the one. She says she didn't like the green band. I'm not so sure. I'm

00:10:06 ◼   ► not so sure I like the black on black and maybe this is the influence of our friend

00:10:10 ◼   ► Matt Alexander. But he's cautioned everybody about looking like too much of a nerd and

00:10:17 ◼   ► wearing just this all black item that it doesn't really go with anything and it's really, you

00:10:22 ◼   ► know, it's really heavy. And I have to admit, I kind of feel some of that. I feel like,

00:10:28 ◼   ► you know, I really kind of liked the lighter look of the regular sport, not the space gray

00:10:34 ◼   ► sport. And I like the look of this, and I like the black band, and yet I'm not entirely

00:10:39 ◼   ► convinced that I like this better. The only band I would ever have for the other one was

00:10:45 ◼   ► the bright green sport band. I would probably feel a little bit differently, but I'm planning

00:10:49 ◼   ► on getting at least one other band. So I'm still not sure, but I'm trying it out for

00:10:55 ◼   ► a week basically, and I'm gonna see whether I want to keep the Space Gray One or send

00:11:02 ◼   ► it back, or instead sell off the one that I got on day one.

00:11:08 ◼   ► I think that the more I think about the Space Gray One, like, you have less options to,

00:11:16 ◼   ► add to it because less bands will go with it, I think.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Well yeah, even the, even the, like the, there is a contrast between the, you know, silver

00:11:27 ◼   ► aluminum sport and the stainless steel lugs on those bands, but it's less of one than

00:11:34 ◼   ► it is.

00:11:35 ◼   ► I mean the space, the space gray is so dark that there will be much more contrast with

00:11:41 ◼   ► every other band that you put on it.

00:11:43 ◼   ► I think you could only really use the leather loops or the sport bands.

00:11:49 ◼   ► Yeah I think that's true and I want to use the classic buckle so that's another thing

00:11:55 ◼   ► that pushes me toward...

00:11:56 ◼   ► I think the classic buckle would look okay but you know it's gonna be dark watch, dark

00:12:00 ◼   ► face, dark band and then bright lugs which is weird.

00:12:06 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:12:07 ◼   ► I'm open to it but you know what a problem to have, which Apple watch to keep and which

00:12:12 ◼   ► one to throw back, man. But anyway, it's fascinating because I was sure that this is the one I

00:12:18 ◼   ► wanted. I got the other one just entirely accidentally from a friend, and now I'm not

00:12:23 ◼   ► sure that I made the right choice. And I might actually like that Greensport, like I said,

00:12:31 ◼   ► not necessarily the green band, but the lighter-colored body.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Because luxury. Because luxury!

00:12:39 ◼   ► So it turns out that Universal owned the rights to do the standalone Hulk movies.

00:12:45 ◼   ► So that's...

00:12:46 ◼   ► It turns out.

00:12:47 ◼   ► This was a thing, a few people sent this in to us.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Well it's weird because yeah, so Universal released those and I guess Mark Ruffalo in

00:12:57 ◼   ► an interview said something about that.

00:12:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm unclear on the status because the Incredible Hulk is considered a Marvel Cinematic

00:13:05 ◼   ► universe movie there was a there was a Tony Stark cameo and I believe General Ross from

00:13:12 ◼   ► that movie is appearing Thunderbolt Ross is appearing they're gonna replace him with USB

00:13:17 ◼   ► C Ross that's it's a shame the in in the Captain America Civil War thing so yeah it's yeah

00:13:26 ◼   ► but it may be although I'm just unclear I don't know whether that means Universal says

00:13:29 ◼   ► well you can use him but only for the only for the Avengers movies I'm a little unclear

00:13:34 ◼   ► about why they wouldn't make a deal to move forward with a Hulk movie. Maybe Marvel is

00:13:39 ◼   ► saying you can't have Mark Ruffalo, maybe Universal is saying, you know, we don't want

00:13:44 ◼   ► to do this. It seems weird because it would seem like after the reception the Hulk has

00:13:48 ◼   ► gotten in these two Avengers movies, you would think it would have rehabbed the reputation

00:13:53 ◼   ► of the character from their two kind of lackluster features. You know, I was thinking because

00:13:58 ◼   ► I really like the interaction between Banner and Black Widow and how that character arc

00:14:06 ◼   ► has been interesting for Banner that, without spoiling more about Age of Ultron, you know,

00:14:14 ◼   ► maybe that would be something as if they did do a Black Widow movie or they did some other

00:14:18 ◼   ► kind of thing. I'd like to see more of Mark Ruffalo. I feel like they're just kind of—they've

00:14:23 ◼   ► got him for four movies or whatever and they're going to use him sparingly, but it is kind

00:14:26 ◼   ► of a shame that we can't get a broader canvas from him. Maybe, I don't know, maybe Marvel

00:14:31 ◼   ► thinks that the Hulk is better when he's, you know, used sparingly in these Avengers

00:14:36 ◼   ► movies instead of the two features that they made that were kind of flops. So I don't know.

00:14:41 ◼   ► But yeah, Universal is involved, so it's not as simple as Apple. Marvel. I do that all

00:14:45 ◼   ► the time, Marvel and Apple. Damn it. I do. I do. It's strange that Apple would not make

00:14:51 ◼   ► a Hulk movie. Yeah, see? But Universal being involved changes the equation there. So that

00:14:58 ◼   ► kind of makes sense that now it's a--they seem to have a friendlier relationship than

00:15:02 ◼   ► like with the X-Men movies or the Fantastic Four movies, or the Spider-Man movies used

00:15:06 ◼   ► to be, but it's still an issue. So maybe that answers the question.

00:15:10 ◼   ► -It feels to me like they're probably at stalemate. Like, Marvel want the rights to lap so they

00:15:15 ◼   ► get all of the control, but Universal don't want to let him go because they're hoping

00:15:20 ◼   ► that Marvel will want to collaborate on a movie.

00:15:22 ◼   ► Right, but Universal can't get Mark Ruffalo or something like that and they don't want

00:15:26 ◼   ► to make a movie without Mark Ruffalo.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Because it would be a marketing disaster.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Disaster, yeah.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Like a different Hulk.

00:15:34 ◼   ► Can you imagine a different Hulk?

00:15:35 ◼   ► That would be like having a Flash TV show and then introducing a totally different actor

00:15:39 ◼   ► to play the Flash in a movie.

00:15:41 ◼   ► Oh wait, they're doing that anyway.

00:15:45 ◼   ► But it's not like what Marvel has been successful with.

00:15:50 ◼   ► I guess we'll see. The Hulk is cool. Hulk was cool in Avengers. It's cool in Avengers 2.

00:15:54 ◼   ► Um, yeah.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Good follow up.

00:15:57 ◼   ► The last piece of follow up has come from Myke on Twitter.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Myke has actually developed a T9 text input app for the Apple Watch.

00:16:09 ◼   ► He currently has it running in the simulator and you'll find a link in the show notes

00:16:14 ◼   ► which you can find at relay.fm/upgrade/36 or in your app of choice.

00:16:19 ◼   ► which includes a GIF of him showing it working in the simulator.

00:16:23 ◼   ► Myke went on to tell me, "My current plan is to have an input text

00:16:29 ◼   ► and it saves us a note in an iPhone app for sharing later."

00:16:33 ◼   ► And releases free or open source.

00:16:35 ◼   ► That's pretty funny. It does seem to work.

00:16:38 ◼   ► It's crazy. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

00:16:43 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like such amazingness.

00:16:47 ◼   ► Yeah, it's crazy, but that's awesome. So that's that's an awesome

00:16:50 ◼   ► example of

00:16:54 ◼   ► Ingenuity will say mm-hmm

00:16:56 ◼   ► Absolutely, brilliant, right. Hey comes to the end the follow-up for this week

00:17:00 ◼   ► We have a few topics that we want to get to so mr. Jason snow

00:17:04 ◼   ► Could you please tell the world about Casper mattresses?

00:17:07 ◼   ► Oh, yeah

00:17:08 ◼   ► so our first our first sponsor on upgrade this week is Casper and I get to talk about that why do I get to talk about

00:17:12 ◼   ► this mic because I I

00:17:15 ◼   ► I sleep on one. I think that's the reason you want me to talk about this.

00:17:19 ◼   ► So if people don't know, Casper is an online retailer of premium mattresses,

00:17:24 ◼   ► and their prices are great. A fraction of what you will find for a premium mattress if you go

00:17:28 ◼   ► in the store. It's sort of like a high-tech reinvention of the mattress business. You order

00:17:33 ◼   ► it on the internet, a box appears at your house. A strangely small box. And in there is a vacuum-packed

00:17:41 ◼   ► Casper mattress. It's made of, it can get that small because it's made of latex

00:17:46 ◼   ► foam and memory foam in layers, which you, when you open the seal, do it in the room that you're

00:17:54 ◼   ► going to sleep on the mattress in because it expands, it sucks in the air, expands to fill

00:17:58 ◼   ► the space, and now it's a mattress. Sized like a mattress, it's a mattress. And I've been sleeping

00:18:04 ◼   ► on one for a few months and it's great. They use the phrase "just the right sink, just the right

00:18:08 ◼   ► right bounce and it is really appropriate. I was shocked at how much my old mattress

00:18:13 ◼   ► felt like kind of like a trampoline, like the cat would be on the other side of the

00:18:16 ◼   ► bed and I'd sit on one edge of the bed and the cat would be like and like jump off the

00:18:20 ◼   ► bed. And it's because the old bed was like way too weird and bouncy and stuff and this

00:18:24 ◼   ► one is super soft and luxurious but it also doesn't feel like the weird memory foam feel

00:18:29 ◼   ► and I know there are a lot of people who are really turned off by memory foam but by putting

00:18:33 ◼   ► the latex foam layer on top, you get this really nice combination that works really

00:18:37 ◼   ► well. When they talk about prices, premium mattresses can often cost more than like $1500.

00:18:45 ◼   ► Casper's got a range of mattress prices, starting at $500 for twin, $750 for full, $850 for

00:18:51 ◼   ► queen, all the way up to $950 for king. They're all made in the USA, right Myke? USA, USA.

00:18:57 ◼   ► USA, okay.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Okay, thank you. And you know, I really like the convenience of it. The fact that you can

00:19:03 ◼   ► buy this over the internet, it comes in a box. And you can, if you don't like it, you

00:19:07 ◼   ► can send it back. There's a hundred day period where you can return the Casper mattress.

00:19:12 ◼   ► So if you're afraid to try a mattress that you get over the internet, because you don't

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00:20:15 ◼   ► So earlier, I think it was earlier this week, you published one of your articles that you

00:20:22 ◼   ► write for Macworld.

00:20:23 ◼   ► Are they editorial pieces?

00:20:25 ◼   ► Like what are they classed as, just out of interest?

00:20:28 ◼   ► I think, I don't know if they're classed as, are they, I think we're calling it a weekly

00:20:33 ◼   ► column.

00:20:34 ◼   ► Column, yeah that would work.

00:20:35 ◼   ► And so, you know, I have, I don't know, it's a thing I write for them every week and they,

00:20:39 ◼   ► you know, Susie Oakes over at Macworld comes up with some ideas and shoots them past me

00:20:44 ◼   ► and I say yes and I write something and they pay me. It's a great system.

00:20:48 ◼   ► Industry! The column, that was the word I was looking for. So in this column

00:20:55 ◼   ► you talk a bit about Apple TV remotes because there's been some rumors, right?

00:20:59 ◼   ► Which one of the newspapers had the rumors? I don't know. Let's just say

00:21:04 ◼   ► Wall Street Journal. We'll just go with that. Oh no, it was Brian Chen, so it's the New York

00:21:08 ◼   ► Times. No, Brian Chen. Former Macworld printing lab testing guy, now New York

00:21:16 ◼   ► Times tech writer, Brian Chen. I want to take a very brief aside for just a

00:21:20 ◼   ► moment, because you mentioned Macworld. If anybody has not yet heard the "Welcome to the

00:21:27 ◼   ► Macintosh" episode about Macworld, it's just stupendous. It's at

00:21:32 ◼   ► macintosh.fm, episode number four called "Page Turner," which features my

00:21:37 ◼   ► co-hosts, Mr. J. Snell, Jon Siracusa, and Sir Andy Caldwell. That show is

00:21:42 ◼   ► incredible and that episode is extra special, it's just brilliant. Such good work.

00:21:47 ◼   ► Anyway, so yeah you kind of took this rumor and the rumor being that

00:21:54 ◼   ► there could be a touchscreen on the Apple TV remote, right? Or that it could

00:21:58 ◼   ► all be in and of itself just a touch pad of some description.

00:22:01 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, touchscreen is probably not accurate but a touchpad. The idea

00:22:06 ◼   ► of a... there's this rumor that there's going to be a touch surface in the remote, the idea

00:22:12 ◼   ► that you would, you know, you'd slide your finger along a surface and it would read your,

00:22:17 ◼   ► you know, read your movements, and that would be how unclear whether that would be the only

00:22:21 ◼   ► way of interacting or a way. There might be physical buttons too. It's kind of nebulous

00:22:27 ◼   ► about that.

00:22:28 ◼   ► >>ANDREW: Because it would... I think it would be safe to assume it will probably not be

00:22:33 ◼   ► a screen because it would, that would feel kind of pointless.

00:22:37 ◼   ► Yeah, well, and it would be pointless. It would really use the battery. So you're, now

00:22:45 ◼   ► you're docking your remote control every day. And at that point you've got an iOS device.

00:22:49 ◼   ► I mean, like, if you really want that, you should use your iPhone as a remote. And we

00:22:53 ◼   ► can get to that because I heard from a lot of people who love using their iPhone as a

00:22:56 ◼   ► remote. I think it's fine for some things, including text input, but crazy for other

00:23:02 ◼   ► things because I fundamentally I don't want to look down. I especially don't

00:23:05 ◼   ► want to get my phone out of my pocket and unlock it and launch an app and then

00:23:10 ◼   ► look down and make sure I'm touching the right place on the touchscreen when I

00:23:14 ◼   ► could just like feel for a button and press it. But I think the nice thing

00:23:18 ◼   ► about the idea of a touchpad that might even have some buttons on it at the top

00:23:22 ◼   ► but there's also a place to hold it and just kind of like move your thumb up and

00:23:25 ◼   ► down and side to side is you don't have to look. It's not a screen.

00:23:30 ◼   ► all you're really doing is flicking your finger and or your thumb. That has appeal. I can understand

00:23:36 ◼   ► that because I do when you get in that mode with an iPhone using the remote app and you're doing

00:23:41 ◼   ► that to move around, it feels pretty natural. I could see how that could be something. And then

00:23:47 ◼   ► there's also speculation about haptic stuff that it might also, you know, do some of the vibration

00:23:53 ◼   ► stuff that we've seen in the Apple Watch and in the Force Touch trackpad. And maybe there's

00:23:57 ◼   ► something there where it's giving you feedback as you move with your finger. I'm less convinced

00:24:04 ◼   ► of whether that would be particularly useful or not, but the idea of a touchpad with maybe

00:24:08 ◼   ► some buttons at the top, because I do like physical buttons, I think it really helps

00:24:12 ◼   ► because you can orient your hand and your fingers on the remote without looking at it.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Because when I'm watching TV I don't really want to look down away from the TV in order

00:24:21 ◼   ► to press a button. So I think it's interesting. I think it's an interesting

00:24:26 ◼   ► idea that Apple might put a touch area on their remote.

00:24:32 ◼   ► So the more I hear people talk about this, in my mind, the image I'm drawing is

00:24:38 ◼   ► like what people expected the iPhone was gonna look like, you know? Like a touchpad

00:24:43 ◼   ► or some description and then a click wheel.

00:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, I'm kind of viewing like a credit card, you know,

00:24:54 ◼   ► or a little bit larger kind of thing that's got a touch area at the bottom

00:24:57 ◼   ► and something like a strip of buttons at the top maybe.

00:25:00 ◼   ► So guys, I keep hearing people talking about false touch being like the great savior of the button in this,

00:25:08 ◼   ► and I don't really know how that would work. Like, I feel like people are saying that,

00:25:13 ◼   ► believing that force touch could give the impression of buttons and I just

00:25:18 ◼   ► don't think it could do that. Like once you click down on it you might be able

00:25:21 ◼   ► to feel something but it can't give you the impression of a raised button. Like

00:25:26 ◼   ► it can't do that, right? You have to be clicking constantly.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Yeah or if it's doing haptics as you move across the, you know, you move the

00:25:36 ◼   ► idea is like as you're moving through menu items might give you a little buzz

00:25:38 ◼   ► but that doesn't really help you if you're watching something. And if you

00:25:43 ◼   ► have to move your finger a few times in order to orient, like, are they going to say, "Well,

00:25:47 ◼   ► to pause what you do is put your thumb on the remote and then go and move it down until

00:25:52 ◼   ► you feel the third buzz and then click." It's crazy. It's just, no, that's not it. So I

00:26:00 ◼   ► don't know. I feel like it's going to be something like the Apple remote is now that's got, you

00:26:06 ◼   ► know, a play/pause button and a menu button or something, and then below it it's going

00:26:09 ◼   ► have a touch area and that's how you're gonna do the directional stuff the up

00:26:13 ◼   ► down left right and then maybe you know you squeeze it essentially and there's a

00:26:17 ◼   ► force sensor that so when you squeeze it it it counts and maybe there's a haptic

00:26:22 ◼   ► involved there so you know you're not actually moving the the trackpad when

00:26:27 ◼   ► you click but you feel like a little buzz I could see that but like that's

00:26:30 ◼   ► sort of all I can envision for this.

00:26:33 ◼   ► There is this part of me that like here's an idea like this on

00:26:37 ◼   ► wonders. I know what we say it can't be and it can be this, but then I think

00:26:42 ◼   ► could Apple just go ahead and make a full touch device anyway? Like we all

00:26:47 ◼   ► think we need buttons but they're just like "No but this is super cool look what

00:26:50 ◼   ► it does!" Well it could have no buttons. It could totally have no

00:26:54 ◼   ► buttons. It could also have no buttons but different force areas so that if you

00:27:00 ◼   ► you know there's just a thing that says play, pause, or menu or whatever that's in

00:27:04 ◼   ► the it that's in the corner but it's not actually a physical button that could be

00:27:09 ◼   ► too there are lots of things they could do it'll be interesting to see what it

00:27:13 ◼   ► is I you know in the in the piece I also throw out some other things that have

00:27:17 ◼   ► happened in remotes lately that are kind of interesting like they like the Roku

00:27:23 ◼   ► and I guess the ps4 have headphone jacks yeah because you mentioned you mentioned

00:27:29 ◼   ► the Roku in there and I think basically it has a headphone jack in the remote so

00:27:34 ◼   ► you can plug in headphones to watch.

00:27:36 ◼   ► So you can watch something about disturbing people, right?

00:27:39 ◼   ► So imagine that you're in bed or whatever

00:27:40 ◼   ► and someone's sleeping and you can watch TV

00:27:42 ◼   ► by plugging your headphones into the remote.

00:27:44 ◼   ► And you mentioned in the article

00:27:46 ◼   ► that it seems like an obscure feature,

00:27:48 ◼   ► but I wanted to just point out,

00:27:49 ◼   ► 'cause I didn't know if you knew this,

00:27:50 ◼   ► that PS4 controllers have a headphone jack in them,

00:27:53 ◼   ► which is mainly intended for headsets for gaming.

00:27:58 ◼   ► But it is possible in the PS4 settings,

00:28:02 ◼   ► and I'll put a link in the show notes

00:28:03 ◼   ► in case people need to know how to do this, to route all of the audio from the PS4 through

00:28:09 ◼   ► to the controller.

00:28:11 ◼   ► So you can just plug your headphones into your controller and you can play that way.

00:28:16 ◼   ► Again in the same idea you can play a video game for a disturbing little person in the

00:28:18 ◼   ► room.

00:28:19 ◼   ► Which is fantastic.

00:28:20 ◼   ► It's a great feature and I use it quite a lot actually.

00:28:25 ◼   ► Because sometimes I like to play video games with my headphones because they're better

00:28:28 ◼   ► than the speakers on my TV.

00:28:32 ◼   ► So I play that way.

00:28:33 ◼   ► So my son does that with the Wii U, because the Wii U gamepad, you can just play on the

00:28:37 ◼   ► Wii U gamepad and it's got a headphone jack.

00:28:39 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:28:40 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:28:41 ◼   ► I think that's a cool idea.

00:28:43 ◼   ► I doubt Apple will implement it, but it's kind of a neat idea, the idea that you can

00:28:50 ◼   ► not bother everybody else while you're watching something.

00:28:53 ◼   ► And then the other thing that's interesting is Amazon added a microphone into their Fire

00:28:58 ◼   ► TV remote.

00:29:00 ◼   ► So that, you know, and again, I'm not saying like full on Xbox declaring everything that

00:29:06 ◼   ► you want to, you know, want to do Xbox, pause the display, whatever.

00:29:11 ◼   ► It's ahoy console, pause the movie while I go get some soda.

00:29:17 ◼   ► But instead, the idea for things like voice search, because that was the number one thing

00:29:20 ◼   ► that people brought up about using the iPhone as a remote is that nobody likes using the

00:29:24 ◼   ► Ouija board, you know, where you have to move around and pick letter by letter.

00:29:27 ◼   ► That's awful.

00:29:28 ◼   ► And so what Amazon has done is said, you know, we support voice search.

00:29:31 ◼   ► So if you want to watch Daredevil, you press the little button and say Daredevil, and it

00:29:36 ◼   ► goes and finds Daredevil for you.

00:29:39 ◼   ► That's good.

00:29:40 ◼   ► That's a good feature.

00:29:42 ◼   ► And I could see Apple doing something like that.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Although you know, I wrote a speculative piece last year about Apple TV, where what I said

00:29:49 ◼   ► was, I wonder if Apple TV will either have a Kinect style like, you know, microphone

00:29:55 ◼   ► and camera that you can put on top of your TV, or whether it will be something like that

00:30:00 ◼   ► that you put on top of your TV that has inputs that are intelligent enough that you can just,

00:30:06 ◼   ► you know, talk to Siri like you talk to Dan's Amazon Echo, for example. Maybe you could

00:30:14 ◼   ► do that, maybe that, you know, that would be an option for Apple TV. It's all out there.

00:30:18 ◼   ► I mean, this is what's fascinating about what Apple will do with the Apple TV is all of

00:30:21 ◼   ► these things were options for them. And it'll be interesting to see what they chose, and

00:30:26 ◼   ► what they didn't choose, and why. Because they could totally make something that is

00:30:29 ◼   ► a Siri kind of thing that sits and has a FaceTime camera, and sits on your TV, and listens for

00:30:36 ◼   ► your commands and things like that. And if they don't do that, there will be a reason

00:30:40 ◼   ► why. And if they don't have a microphone on their remote, there will be a reason why.

00:30:44 ◼   ► They chose not to do that. But it's interesting to think about all the possibilities at the

00:30:48 ◼   ► very least.

00:30:49 ◼   ► one of the reasons they would put it in my opinion in the in the microphone and

00:30:53 ◼   ► it being invoked to a button is because Apple would never be able to use Siri in

00:30:58 ◼   ► a TV ad anymore right? Because every time the TV ad comes on it activates

00:31:03 ◼   ► everybody's Apple TVs and Microsoft had this exact problem. They'd be ahoy

00:31:07 ◼   ► telephoning it. There's something they could do that would be clever but

00:31:11 ◼   ► yeah that's it's possible. I mean that's the nice thing about the Amazon feature

00:31:14 ◼   ► is that it's a button you press it then you say something and then it goes off

00:31:18 ◼   ► and searches for it. It's not something that's just hovering in the room at all times waiting

00:31:23 ◼   ► for you to say something that sounds like a hoy telephone but isn't a hoy telephone.

00:31:28 ◼   ► So a hoy television. We're living in a world with lots of ahoys, Myke. There's a hoy timepiece,

00:31:34 ◼   ► a hoy television, a hoy telephone, a hoy metal tube. So many ahoys.

00:31:39 ◼   ► I did find it interesting that we didn't get the ISA anyway, one complaint about activating

00:31:44 ◼   ► people's—

00:31:45 ◼   ► Amazon echoes?

00:31:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:47 ◼   ► there aren't very many out there and since it's by invitation only right there aren't that many

00:31:51 ◼   ► and we were way worse about that like than we were about about the the ahoy telephone scenario

00:31:57 ◼   ► it was unfortunately just dan that we affected hey dan you're welcome um in regards to the apple tv

00:32:05 ◼   ► um are you expecting that wwdc is going to be when we're going to see some of this stuff like

00:32:11 ◼   ► especially presuming that we're probably also going to see a music streaming service at wwdc

00:32:16 ◼   ► Is that too much? Yeah, I feel like the most important question, and again, Tim Cook's

00:32:23 ◼   ► Apple, the rules are changing, but the question I always ask when we're looking at WWDC is,

00:32:29 ◼   ► "Is there a developer story?" I feel like that's the number one thing, is like, "Is there a developer

00:32:32 ◼   ► story?" Because you can launch anything at WWDC if you're Apple. You've got a platform, you've got

00:32:37 ◼   ► got a keynote, great. But you need to launch things at WWDC where you're

00:32:45 ◼   ► expecting the developers to get involved. I feel like that's like the the extra

00:32:49 ◼   ► push. And so if you ask that question of every rumored announcement for WWDC, I

00:32:53 ◼   ► feel like it can be illuminating. Like I said, maybe things are changing and it

00:32:57 ◼   ► doesn't preclude them from making announcements, but generally they try to

00:33:00 ◼   ► have a developer angle. So for example, music service. I don't see a developer

00:33:07 ◼   ► ankle there. I see that maybe, you know, it's available because they're gonna,

00:33:11 ◼   ► they're gonna, the rumor is put it in iOS 8.4 or whatever. It also wouldn't

00:33:18 ◼   ► surprise me at all given that they make lots of entertainment announcements in

00:33:21 ◼   ► the fall that it wait till the fall and then they announce, they announce it then

00:33:26 ◼   ► maybe in iOS 9, maybe in an iOS 8.4 that comes a little bit before iOS 9 comes

00:33:31 ◼   ► out to keep compatibility with devices that are not compatible with iOS 9 if

00:33:36 ◼   ► if there's any change there.

00:33:38 ◼   ► The Apple TV thing, it's the same thing.

00:33:41 ◼   ► I feel like if there's a developer story,

00:33:44 ◼   ► if they're gonna let you do apps,

00:33:45 ◼   ► if you're gonna, the developers will actually be able

00:33:48 ◼   ► to do something with Apple TV as a platform,

00:33:50 ◼   ► then it makes sense for that to happen at WWDC.

00:33:53 ◼   ► And if not, then they could kind of do it whenever.

00:33:56 ◼   ► They can do it later.

00:33:57 ◼   ► They can do it in the fall

00:33:58 ◼   ► and have it be a big holiday seller.

00:34:00 ◼   ► So I'm kind of up in the air on it.

00:34:03 ◼   ► I feel like there could be a developer story there.

00:34:05 ◼   ► I'm curious about the watch too.

00:34:07 ◼   ► Like, will they make watch announcements?

00:34:08 ◼   ► Will there be a watchOS 2.0 announcement as well?

00:34:12 ◼   ► I kind of expect there will be.

00:34:13 ◼   ► But Apple TV, maybe, I hope so.

00:34:17 ◼   ► I've been waiting for Apple TV as a platform

00:34:22 ◼   ► and I know developers have for quite a while,

00:34:24 ◼   ► in that long time and it just hasn't happened.

00:34:27 ◼   ► So maybe this will be the time.

00:34:28 ◼   ► But if they're gonna do that

00:34:29 ◼   ► and developers can write Apple TV apps,

00:34:33 ◼   ► then yes, I think they have to do it at WWDC.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - I think that there is a possibility for some development

00:34:40 ◼   ► in the music service, but CarPlay-like development.

00:34:43 ◼   ► Small group, accepted in.

00:34:46 ◼   ► Because there are other types of services

00:34:49 ◼   ► that you could integrate into that platform a little bit

00:34:52 ◼   ► and also push some information out.

00:34:55 ◼   ► Federico had some really good thoughts

00:34:58 ◼   ► on this on Connected last week.

00:35:01 ◼   ► There are some like, you know, you could have lyrics and you could put, you know, you could

00:35:05 ◼   ► have Shazam integrating and stuff like that.

00:35:07 ◼   ► By the way, if you've not yet tried the Shazam Apple Watch app, you need to try it.

00:35:12 ◼   ► I don't understand how they're doing what they're doing.

00:35:14 ◼   ► It's amazing.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Alright.

00:35:16 ◼   ► It's one of the most impressive Apple Watch apps that I've tried actually.

00:35:21 ◼   ► Like the lyrics and all that stuff, it's madness.

00:35:23 ◼   ► I actually don't know how they're doing what they're doing.

00:35:27 ◼   ► But yeah, I see that if you're gonna do an Apple TV at any point, right, it's got to

00:35:33 ◼   ► have apps now, right, because that's expected.

00:35:35 ◼   ► If you're gonna make a serious move, like if you're not just gonna continually upgrade

00:35:39 ◼   ► the box, like if you're gonna make Apple TV what Apple TV should be in 2015, apps is a

00:35:47 ◼   ► big part of that, and if apps is a big part of that, then you need to talk about it at

00:35:52 ◼   ► WPDC, right?

00:35:53 ◼   ► It just seems logical.

00:35:56 ◼   ► I don't know about the watch yet.

00:36:00 ◼   ► I don't know if we're going to see anything more at WWDC,

00:36:04 ◼   ► like in a real big way, other than a like, stay tuned.

00:36:08 ◼   ► - Well, they promised that they will give developers

00:36:11 ◼   ► access to more of the operating system.

00:36:13 ◼   ► So there could be a stay tuned,

00:36:15 ◼   ► and then they'll roll out more in the fall.

00:36:17 ◼   ► They could also do, you know, watchOS 2.0

00:36:23 ◼   ► and say, here's a beta of watchOS 2.0.

00:36:25 ◼   ► this is gonna be out in the fall,

00:36:27 ◼   ► you can start developing your apps now,

00:36:28 ◼   ► the same sort of story that they do with OS X and iOS.

00:36:32 ◼   ► That would be interesting.

00:36:34 ◼   ► Likewise, the big iPad rumors,

00:36:36 ◼   ► where there's this talk about like,

00:36:38 ◼   ► oh, there could be a big iPad and all of that,

00:36:40 ◼   ► that is different

00:36:42 ◼   ► and that there are some different developer rules,

00:36:44 ◼   ► that could possibly come,

00:36:45 ◼   ► although again, more likely it'll come in the fall

00:36:47 ◼   ► when they traditionally release all the iPads,

00:36:50 ◼   ► and that developers will have no time to plan for that.

00:36:52 ◼   ► But it's not beyond the realm of possibility

00:36:55 ◼   ► if that product is ready, that they could release that product or announce that product

00:36:59 ◼   ► in the summer, along with changes that developers could write to.

00:37:05 ◼   ► More likely, they'll have lots of mysterious APIs and lots of mysterious changes to how

00:37:09 ◼   ► you can build iOS apps that they will say nothing about why, but it's very obvious to

00:37:16 ◼   ► observers that something else, an iPad of a different screen size is coming, because

00:37:22 ◼   ► that's basically what happened with the iPhone the last couple of years, is it was very

00:37:24 ◼   ► clear that there would be bigger iPhones because they were starting to talk about different

00:37:29 ◼   ► tools and different ways of laying out apps. And why would you need that unless you were

00:37:34 ◼   ► doing a bigger iPhone at some point? So we may see some of that too, one way or another.

00:37:40 ◼   ► That's the fun thing about WWDC. There's the stuff that gets announced, the stuff that

00:37:43 ◼   ► doesn't get announced, and then the things that are hinted at in the details but not

00:37:49 ◼   ► announced.

00:37:50 ◼   ► Considering we were less than a month away there's gonna be a lot more WWDC

00:37:54 ◼   ► talk on the way and I'll ask this question. I don't really I don't really

00:37:58 ◼   ► think we need to answer right now but it's just something you know circulating

00:38:01 ◼   ► in my brain as we talk about this stuff. OS 10, 10.11, iOS 9, Apple TV, Watch 2.0

00:38:09 ◼   ► and maybe HomeKit and a music streaming service potentially. Is that too much stuff?

00:38:15 ◼   ► stuff like just if you just look at the developer platforms in there if you if

00:38:21 ◼   ► you ignore homekicks I'm just trying things in to make the list longer like

00:38:24 ◼   ► if you look iOS 9 OS 10.11 assuming it will be that right watch 2.0 and Apple TV

00:38:36 ◼   ► 1.0 it's a lot it's a lot right that like that is just but do we not think

00:38:43 ◼   ► that they're not building all those things? I think we all think that they're building

00:38:45 ◼   ► all those things.

00:38:46 ◼   ► Sure.

00:38:47 ◼   ► Is it too much for Apple? Is it too much for developers? Is it too much for the event?

00:38:50 ◼   ► Both. I just wonder if it all needs to happen at the same time. I mean, and this goes back

00:38:55 ◼   ► to the age-old discussion of do we need to do these every single year? Does it need to

00:39:00 ◼   ► be a next?

00:39:01 ◼   ► And do they have to happen all at once? Do you really need to use WWDC as the platform

00:39:06 ◼   ► to launch all of your developer initiatives? They didn't announce the watch there, and

00:39:11 ◼   ► or 5,000 or whatever will watch apps at launch day, right?

00:39:14 ◼   ► They didn't need to do that there.

00:39:16 ◼   ► So you could totally do watch OS 2.0 in the fall as a beta

00:39:21 ◼   ► and say you're gonna ship it at the end of the year

00:39:24 ◼   ► or in January and you could totally do that.

00:39:27 ◼   ► Will they do that or will they say,

00:39:29 ◼   ► "Oh, but we can announce it now.

00:39:32 ◼   ► We got with WWDC, we gotta do it now."

00:39:35 ◼   ► And sometimes I think that there is an actual push and pull

00:39:38 ◼   ► within Apple that's like that,

00:39:40 ◼   ► which is there are people who are like,

00:39:41 ◼   ► "This is our time, we should do it now.

00:39:43 ◼   ► Give it all to the developers now."

00:39:45 ◼   ► And then there are other people who are like,

00:39:46 ◼   ► "It's too much, let's just do this later.

00:39:48 ◼   ► There's nothing stopping us, look what happens.

00:39:50 ◼   ► The developers are gonna love this stuff

00:39:52 ◼   ► regardless of when we drop it on them.

00:39:54 ◼   ► Why do we need to drop it on them now

00:39:55 ◼   ► when we're doing like eight things at once?"

00:39:58 ◼   ► It goes back to the age old software quality discussion too,

00:40:01 ◼   ► which is maybe getting these things not all

00:40:03 ◼   ► on a announced new version in June,

00:40:06 ◼   ► ship it in September schedule might be good, right?

00:40:10 ◼   ► Maybe stagger it a little bit.

00:40:11 ◼   ► But the downside of that is if you've got watchOS 2.0

00:40:16 ◼   ► and the features that will take advantage of that

00:40:19 ◼   ► would, if they would be better on iOS 9, let's say,

00:40:24 ◼   ► which is a good question.

00:40:27 ◼   ► Would they require, if you're using iOS 8

00:40:31 ◼   ► and there's a new watchOS update,

00:40:33 ◼   ► would they bar you from installing it?

00:40:36 ◼   ► if you weren't running iOS 9? I would think not, but it's an interesting question. I don't

00:40:42 ◼   ► know. These are all the questions that—you're right, we'll be swirling out there that we

00:40:45 ◼   ► can talk about more as we get closer, because we're, what, a month away now.

00:40:50 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Yeah, just as—one last point—just as someone who has been knee-deep in iPhone

00:40:56 ◼   ► history recently, I do really feel like we're gonna get a Watch Roadmap event like we did

00:41:04 ◼   ► with the iPhone SDK.

00:41:05 ◼   ► - Ah, it could be.

00:41:07 ◼   ► - I think that they'll say,

00:41:08 ◼   ► we have stuff to say about the Apple Watch,

00:41:11 ◼   ► you know it's coming this year,

00:41:12 ◼   ► we're gonna have an event shortly,

00:41:14 ◼   ► which you'll hear more about

00:41:15 ◼   ► where we outlay some of that stuff.

00:41:17 ◼   ► That's what I think we're gonna see,

00:41:19 ◼   ► but we'll wait and see what happens.

00:41:21 ◼   ► - It could just be in the keynote.

00:41:22 ◼   ► I mean, and it could be that simple of,

00:41:25 ◼   ► we said that, you know,

00:41:27 ◼   ► thank you for making all these WatchKit apps.

00:41:30 ◼   ► We said that by the end of the year,

00:41:31 ◼   ► we would let you make full apps,

00:41:33 ◼   ► we're on track for that, stay tuned.

00:41:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's what I think it's gonna be.

00:41:38 ◼   ► - It could be that simple.

00:41:40 ◼   ► And whether they do a special event for that,

00:41:41 ◼   ► or it's just part of some other event,

00:41:44 ◼   ► or no event at all, right?

00:41:47 ◼   ► 'Cause with a developer message like that,

00:41:48 ◼   ► they can do no event at all.

00:41:49 ◼   ► - Like when the WatchKit stuff came out the first time.

00:41:52 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:41:53 ◼   ► - Which is, here's a bunch of stuff.

00:41:54 ◼   ► - Boom, here it is.

00:41:55 ◼   ► And everybody absorbed it and wrote thousands of apps

00:41:58 ◼   ► without having even touched the hardware,

00:42:00 ◼   ► or maybe touched it in a lab in a few cases.

00:42:03 ◼   ► Right, talking about TV stuff, you bought a new TV.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Let's talk about that.

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00:45:40 ◼   ► we don't. So right, let's move on. So you bought a TV. Why did you buy a new TV?

00:45:47 ◼   ► It's a big purchase, a TV, not necessarily in cost, it's just, you know, people don't buy TVs that often.

00:45:53 ◼   ► So, while I was traveling, my wife was watching TV in our living room, and she's just watching a show,

00:45:59 ◼   ► and in the middle of the show, suddenly, our TV that we've had for five years,

00:46:02 ◼   ► our 42-inch LG TV, just says, "No signal." Like, okay, that's not good. You know, maybe it's the

00:46:12 ◼   ► maybe it's the switcher, maybe it's the TiVo, she switches to other inputs, and it

00:46:18 ◼   ► all says no signal. Yeah that's the problem, it could be a million things

00:46:21 ◼   ► right at that point. And I'm gone and you know I'm the person who set all this

00:46:26 ◼   ► stuff up so she's like, "Well it didn't, it didn't, it doesn't work anymore, I think

00:46:30 ◼   ► it's broken, I gave her some things to try, nothing worked." And she said, "All right

00:46:36 ◼   ► well, you know, I hope that when you come home you find out that it's broken

00:46:39 ◼   ► because I would hate for this to just be that I pressed some button and didn't understand

00:46:43 ◼   ► it. And in fact, she was completely validated. It was busted. And I did some internet searches

00:46:48 ◼   ► and found out people saying, "Well, essentially what's happened here, you know, on these kind

00:46:52 ◼   ► of models is that something happened like on the logic board basically, and you might

00:46:56 ◼   ► be able to get somebody to fix it for, you know, a few hundred dollars." And I had that

00:47:01 ◼   ► moment where it's like, "I'm already unhappy with the picture quality of this TV because

00:47:04 ◼   ► five years old and I bought a TV for a different room last year that was a cheap, you know,

00:47:11 ◼   ► it was a cheap TV. It was, I think I got it at Amazon, but it was a cheap TV and the black

00:47:16 ◼   ► levels on it, although not at like plasma level, John Siracusa will tell you, but were

00:47:20 ◼   ► so much better. It's like you could see so much how the technology has evolved in five

00:47:24 ◼   ► years. So I was already looking at this TV like all the blacks look really gray, you

00:47:29 ◼   ► know, it just isn't and I wish it was bigger and because we bought it to fit a space where

00:47:35 ◼   ► a TV used to be and I think I kind of underbought I thought oh well you know 42 inches or whatever

00:47:40 ◼   ► is plenty enough but there was room for more and I had been thinking that so I had that

00:47:44 ◼   ► moment of like you know what I'm not going to throw more money at this at this TV that

00:47:49 ◼   ► is I already don't like and just broke I'm going to let's look and get a new TV so we

00:47:56 ◼   ► we went to Costco.

00:47:59 ◼   ► I decided, then I did the whole like,

00:48:02 ◼   ► do I wanna invest in like a really expensive TV

00:48:04 ◼   ► that I'm gonna have forever?

00:48:06 ◼   ► And I thought, you know, I kind of don't.

00:48:08 ◼   ► I kind of wanna get something that's kind of,

00:48:11 ◼   ► you know, reasonably priced.

00:48:13 ◼   ► And if I can find something at Costco,

00:48:16 ◼   ► that is where you find a cheap or reasonably priced TV

00:48:19 ◼   ► that will last a few years.

00:48:21 ◼   ► And if it lasts longer, I'll move it to another room.

00:48:25 ◼   ► and that room will have a nice big TV on it.

00:48:28 ◼   ► So we went to Costco and indeed,

00:48:31 ◼   ► we found a TV that was,

00:48:34 ◼   ► I felt was reasonably priced.

00:48:36 ◼   ► And what was funny about it is it's a,

00:48:39 ◼   ► so it's a Vizio, which is an interesting TV manufacturer

00:48:43 ◼   ► that proves that advertising can elevate you

00:48:46 ◼   ► from being, you know, Sampo

00:48:48 ◼   ► to being a brand that people recognize.

00:48:50 ◼   ► But Vizio to me means, you know,

00:48:53 ◼   ► pretty decent quality, but cheap.

00:48:55 ◼   ► And I did some, you know, CNET searches,

00:48:57 ◼   ► 'cause I know all the TV nerds out there

00:48:58 ◼   ► are gonna be like, "Oh God."

00:48:59 ◼   ► Like right now, John Syracuse is polishing his,

00:49:02 ◼   ► I don't know, you know, his laser beams to destroy me

00:49:06 ◼   ► for making a bad purchase.

00:49:08 ◼   ► But I did some research online

00:49:10 ◼   ► and found that this was actually

00:49:12 ◼   ► a pretty good quality TV for the price.

00:49:15 ◼   ► And compared to some of the other 50-inch TVs

00:49:18 ◼   ► that were available.

00:49:21 ◼   ► Also the wire cutter doesn't have any recommendations

00:49:23 ◼   ► right now because they're shifting model years,

00:49:25 ◼   ► so there was no consensus for what the best,

00:49:27 ◼   ► you know, really high quality TV was anyway.

00:49:30 ◼   ► So for a pretty good price, I got a Vizio 50 inch LCD

00:49:34 ◼   ► that is, that turns out is a 4K model,

00:49:41 ◼   ► for basically the same price as a 1080 model from Samsung.

00:49:46 ◼   ► And bought it, brought it home, hooked it up, looks great.

00:49:51 ◼   ► five years difference from the last one. Doesn't look as good as my mom's giant plasma TVs

00:49:55 ◼   ► that she's got, but you know, they don't make those anymore. And, but it looks so much better

00:50:00 ◼   ► than the old one did, and it's bigger, which is really nice. We watched a movie on Saturday

00:50:04 ◼   ► night after we bought it, the whole family, and that was a lot of fun, because it was

00:50:07 ◼   ► a, it was a, it was the Avengers, because we were going to go see Avengers 2 the next

00:50:11 ◼   ► day. And it's rumbly, and there's lots of stuff flying around. It was really great.

00:50:15 ◼   ► And then after the kids went to bed, we watched Daredevil on Netflix in 4K, which was also

00:50:24 ◼   ► interesting because they have the 4K streaming built into the TV and there's not a lot of

00:50:28 ◼   ► 4K content out there, but Netflix does it.

00:50:31 ◼   ► And so we watched that and that looked really good.

00:50:33 ◼   ► My internet connection is apparently fast enough to support the 4K stream.

00:50:38 ◼   ► And it looked really nice because this is essentially a 2160p monitor.

00:50:43 ◼   ► - 2160p. That one hasn't crossed my mind. That isn't in my memory yet, like the other

00:50:51 ◼   ► dimensions, you know? 1080 and 720.

00:50:54 ◼   ► - 1080. Well, so this is double 1080 is what it is, which is what they're calling, you

00:50:58 ◼   ► know, Ultra HD kind of display. It's a double 1080. But, you know, that was sort of beside

00:51:06 ◼   ► the point. I think, I don't know whether there's gonna be a lot of 4K content out there or

00:51:09 ◼   ► not, but TV looks good, it was a good price. Hopefully it will last longer than the old

00:51:15 ◼   ► one or as long as the old one. The old one lasted five years. And the Netflix -- playing

00:51:20 ◼   ► with the Netflix 4K stuff has been fun. I want to do some more before I kind of render

00:51:24 ◼   ► a final judgment about whether it's just a gimmick and whether highly compressed 4K video

00:51:30 ◼   ► is any better than slightly less compressed 1080 video. But maybe, I mean, I think it's

00:51:36 ◼   ► a higher bitrate for sure, so maybe in the end it looks better. But yeah, new TV in the

00:51:43 ◼   ► house. 50 inches. It's nice. Nice to have a larger TV.

00:51:47 ◼   ► Are you able to switch between HD and 4K on Netflix? Like, can you choose which one you

00:51:57 ◼   ► want?

00:51:58 ◼   ► I don't—well, you—one Netflix plan supports it and one doesn't. But on the box, I don't

00:52:05 ◼   ► think you can force the HD and non-4K version.

00:52:10 ◼   ► I guess it would just do what Netflix does, right?

00:52:12 ◼   ► It just streams best quality.

00:52:13 ◼   ► Yeah, you press the info button and then you can actually watch and see what resolution

00:52:17 ◼   ► you're getting.

00:52:18 ◼   ► And it'll go, you know, 480, 720, 1080, 2180, and then you're all the way up there.

00:52:25 ◼   ► And then your TV takes off and shoots into space, I think.

00:52:29 ◼   ► I mean, this is really difficult on a podcast, but are you able to describe, like, what are

00:52:35 ◼   ► what looks better? Is things just crisper?

00:52:37 ◼   ► Do the colors look better?

00:52:38 ◼   ► Like what is so, like 4K, like I don't really.

00:52:42 ◼   ► - Well 4K, I mean, there's more lines of resolution

00:52:46 ◼   ► is the idea.

00:52:47 ◼   ► So it's like, I mean theoretically you could say

00:52:49 ◼   ► it's like retina.

00:52:50 ◼   ► I mean, they shoot it in 4K or the effects rendered in 4K.

00:52:54 ◼   ► I think that our friends in the effects business,

00:52:57 ◼   ► sometimes they do the effects at a lower resolution

00:53:02 ◼   ► and then scale it up.

00:53:03 ◼   ► But you know, the Daredevil stuff looked good.

00:53:06 ◼   ► It's more resolution.

00:53:07 ◼   ► There's always this debate of like,

00:53:08 ◼   ► can you tell the difference between 720 and 1080?

00:53:10 ◼   ► Some people can, some people can't.

00:53:12 ◼   ► Can you tell the difference between 1080p and 1080i?

00:53:15 ◼   ► Some people can, some people can't.

00:53:16 ◼   ► Can you tell the difference between 1080 and 2160?

00:53:19 ◼   ► You know, it looked better to me,

00:53:21 ◼   ► but I don't know whether that's a placebo effect or not.

00:53:23 ◼   ► And that's why I wanna spend some more time with it.

00:53:25 ◼   ► And then I'll see.

00:53:30 ◼   ► 'Cause also I'm paying whatever,

00:53:32 ◼   ► or three dollars more a month for Netflix to have access to it. So I want to decide whether it's

00:53:37 ◼   ► even worth doing that. But it's kind of a fun thing to play with. And yeah, I do think we chase—in fact,

00:53:43 ◼   ► I read an article that said that Netflix is working with some like TV manufacturers and stuff about a

00:53:49 ◼   ► high dynamic range spec, because there's a thought that having more dynamic range in a picture is

00:53:55 ◼   ► actually much more noticeable to people than more dots at this point. So what's the frontier of

00:54:00 ◼   ► of higher quality images. I don't know. But, you know, like I said, the Daredevil episode

00:54:05 ◼   ► we watched looked great. And they've got some demo stuff. It's very much like the early

00:54:09 ◼   ► days of HD where, you know, most of the content that's available is like demos of, you know,

00:54:14 ◼   ► people in the ocean or like HDNet. Yeah, HDNet, which was at one point the only HD channel

00:54:23 ◼   ► available used to have a show that was like the sunrise. And it was literally somebody

00:54:29 ◼   ► set up an HD camera at sunrise in a beautiful location somewhere in the jungle or in Hawaii

00:54:36 ◼   ► and then for half an hour or 15 minutes or whatever it would just be that one shot of

00:54:43 ◼   ► the sunrise. It's like the windows in Back to the Future 2, right? Yes. Yeah, you can

00:54:51 ◼   ► tune it in to be anything. So that was in the early age of HD, it was like how do we

00:54:56 ◼   ► impress people with this.

00:54:57 ◼   ► Oh, I know nature photography, we'll do nature photography.

00:54:59 ◼   ► It's a little bit like that.

00:55:00 ◼   ► Like Netflix has a show that is essentially that,

00:55:02 ◼   ► which is nature, high definition pictures of nature.

00:55:05 ◼   ► There's a 4K show that is all of that.

00:55:08 ◼   ► But then there's some movies

00:55:09 ◼   ► and all of the Netflix originals now are being shot in 4K

00:55:11 ◼   ► 'cause Netflix is pushing this as a format.

00:55:14 ◼   ► It's funny, you can't watch 4K on Netflix

00:55:18 ◼   ► on the, on my retina iMac here

00:55:20 ◼   ► because they don't support streaming the high res stuff

00:55:23 ◼   ► to PCs mostly, I think,

00:55:25 ◼   ► because they're afraid, probably rightly,

00:55:28 ◼   ► that people will intercept that stream

00:55:30 ◼   ► and then have this super awesome high-definition version

00:55:34 ◼   ► of the show to put on BitTorrent.

00:55:37 ◼   ► So it's only appearing, for now at least,

00:55:40 ◼   ► in locked-off devices like this embedded in my TV set.

00:55:43 ◼   ► -I think there was one thing that made me smile

00:55:49 ◼   ► when you were talking about the Sunrise thing.

00:55:51 ◼   ► When we were in Romania, there was a TV channel.

00:55:55 ◼   ► I can't remember the name of it, but basically it just showed a garden with a lake in it.

00:56:02 ◼   ► That was the channel, which is very amazing to me.

00:56:06 ◼   ► And Joe Steele in the chat room mentioned that this could be an interesting way for

00:56:09 ◼   ► you to test.

00:56:10 ◼   ► The Apple TV does not support UHD, which is 4K Ultra HD, so you could set up...

00:56:16 ◼   ► What box were you using, just out of interest?

00:56:19 ◼   ► Well, actually, these days I've been mostly watching Netflix on my TiVo, because it's

00:56:23 ◼   ► integrated into the TiVo interface, so you press it and then it launches the TiVo app.

00:56:27 ◼   ► So yes, I could do that, although the challenge there is you couldn't really do it simultaneously

00:56:31 ◼   ► because I think the 4K stream would degrade if there was yet another video stream on the

00:56:36 ◼   ► line at the same time, but I could definitely use that to kind of go back and forth and

00:56:40 ◼   ► see with the same episode of something and see if I noticed the difference.

00:56:45 ◼   ► I don't know if the Sunrise show is available in just HD or whatever it is, the plants and

00:56:51 ◼   ► animals that are highly defined. Yeah, we'll check it out. But it's a little

00:56:58 ◼   ► like the fireplace log shows that are on at Christmas time that are just...

00:57:03 ◼   ► it's a log in a fireplace. If you don't have a fireplace, turn on your TV. Pretend

00:57:08 ◼   ► it's a fireplace.

00:57:10 ◼   ► For all the family to gather around.

00:57:12 ◼   ► Yeah. It's very exciting when they get... when the log burns out and they put in a new log.

00:57:16 ◼   ► That's people... that's riveting television.

00:57:19 ◼   ► It's like when the DVD screensaver goes to the corner, right?

00:57:24 ◼   ► That thing. You familiar with that?

00:57:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:28 ◼   ► Should we move on to Ask Upgrade?

00:57:30 ◼   ► Is it that time?

00:57:31 ◼   ► I think so. I think it is that time.

00:57:35 ◼   ► Great. So we have our sponsor of Ask Upgrade this week,

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00:57:39 ◼   ► Jason, would you like to tell the people about the MailRoute?

00:57:43 ◼   ► I would love to tell the people about MailRoute.

00:57:46 ◼   ► Did you say the MailRoute?

00:57:47 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:57:48 ◼   ► the mail route, it's a route that the mail takes

00:57:51 ◼   ► to get to you.

00:57:52 ◼   ► What is the mail route?

00:57:53 ◼   ► The mail route goes through mail route.

00:57:56 ◼   ► Mail route is a system that intercepts your mail

00:57:59 ◼   ► before it gets to your server.

00:58:01 ◼   ► So basically you sign up,

00:58:03 ◼   ► change what's called an MX record,

00:58:05 ◼   ► which is a, it's a domain-y thing,

00:58:07 ◼   ► but if you're running a mail server,

00:58:09 ◼   ► you probably understand what that is.

00:58:11 ◼   ► It basically says,

00:58:11 ◼   ► where does all my mail go for my domain?

00:58:14 ◼   ► And you change that to point at mail route.

00:58:15 ◼   ► And so mail route takes your mail in,

00:58:17 ◼   ► it analyzes it and then passes through only the good mail

00:58:20 ◼   ► and leaves the spam and viruses and bounces

00:58:22 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:58:23 ◼   ► They just never get to you.

00:58:24 ◼   ► They're kept in a holding bin at mail route.

00:58:26 ◼   ► This also means that mail route servers are,

00:58:29 ◼   ► they're taking care of them.

00:58:30 ◼   ► They're updating the hardware and the software.

00:58:31 ◼   ► You don't have to worry about any of that.

00:58:33 ◼   ► They get to see all this spam as it comes in.

00:58:36 ◼   ► And I think that improves their intelligence

00:58:38 ◼   ► in figuring out what's good and what's bad.

00:58:40 ◼   ► If there is something that is valid

00:58:43 ◼   ► that got filtered by mail route,

00:58:45 ◼   ► and that does happen occasionally,

00:58:46 ◼   ► although it's very occasionally.

00:58:48 ◼   ► You can get an email sent to you

00:58:50 ◼   ► with a list of all the spam that mail route filtered out

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00:59:10 ◼   ► And my email server that I used to run

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00:59:15 ◼   ► I would still be running my own mail server, frankly,

00:59:17 ◼   ► if I had mail route back then,

00:59:18 ◼   ► because having somebody to sit between me and the spammers

00:59:21 ◼   ► would have saved me a huge amount of network traffic

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01:00:20 ◼   ► out my mail and Batman.

01:00:22 ◼   ► I did assume.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Thank you upgrade and mail route.

01:00:27 ◼   ► I did assume right that if Batman had an email account of his own you're like bat@batman.com

01:00:34 ◼   ► or something or not brucewayne@batman.com.

01:00:39 ◼   ► bat.man. New domains all the time, right? Maybe there's bat.man, super.man, spider.man.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Male@bat.man. Merlin.man. I just assumed that he would get a lot of spam, right? So he would

01:00:53 ◼   ► use mail route to help him. You know, like those utility belt companies, they send a

01:00:58 ◼   ► lot of spam email. Yeah. Anyway. I'm sure, also like, you know, service on the Batmobile.

01:01:09 ◼   ► like get an oil change on your Batmobile, things like that.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Batman doesn't want to put up with that crap.

01:01:15 ◼   ► - Nope, that's what Alfred's for.

01:01:17 ◼   ► Now we're out, it's kind of like Alfred.

01:01:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:21 ◼   ► - Anyway, I want to thank everybody

01:01:25 ◼   ► 'cause I went into our Ask Upgrade sheet this morning, Jason,

01:01:28 ◼   ► and we only had a couple of Ask Upgrades

01:01:31 ◼   ► from last week's episode, so I tweeted about it,

01:01:33 ◼   ► and I think we now have enough for the next six months, so.

01:01:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

01:01:37 ◼   ► Did you notice, by the way, that we got,

01:01:40 ◼   ► that spammers found #AskAffcraff.

01:01:42 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I saw that.

01:01:43 ◼   ► I cleared them out from the Google document today,

01:01:46 ◼   ► but that was fun to go through.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I don't know what was happening.

01:01:50 ◼   ► I think we ended up getting inadvertently caught

01:01:52 ◼   ► into some sort of Spanish Q&A session.

01:01:56 ◼   ► I don't really know what happened,

01:01:58 ◼   ► but that was an interesting thing to go through.

01:02:01 ◼   ► - It was very strange, yes,

01:02:03 ◼   ► in language I don't understand.

01:02:06 ◼   ► And I couldn't decide whether it was intentional

01:02:09 ◼   ► or whether we like got trending somewhere accidentally.

01:02:14 ◼   ► And then that gets picked up by spammers.

01:02:17 ◼   ► But in the end we have this just amazing like chain.

01:02:21 ◼   ► There's some of the tweets are just completely

01:02:25 ◼   ► like there's nothing there.

01:02:27 ◼   ► Remember me, what?

01:02:29 ◼   ► Which is, oh, okay.

01:02:32 ◼   ► So here it is.

01:02:33 ◼   ► So these, it seems like it's a link to the Twitter account Upgrade Official, which is

01:02:40 ◼   ► from the Philippines, and it looks like it's a boy band.

01:02:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I think what happened was, people were saying like, "Ask something."

01:02:48 ◼   ► Like it was like a name of one of the people in this boy band, and then he tagged "Ask

01:02:54 ◼   ► Upgrade."

01:02:55 ◼   ► So I'm concerned now that this might happen.

01:02:58 ◼   ► But you know, we might be okay.

01:03:01 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:03:02 ◼   ► But our hashtag has been has been coerced by a Philippine Filipino boy band.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Boy band. As long as they make us members, Myke.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Yep.

01:03:12 ◼   ► I'm okay with it.

01:03:13 ◼   ► We did sing a moment ago, so that was our audition.

01:03:18 ◼   ► I don't even know what to do anymore.

01:03:21 ◼   ► Derek, on the "No More Events" label that pops up on the Apple Watch,

01:03:27 ◼   ► Derek has suggested, and Jason I'm interested to see what you think,

01:03:30 ◼   ► What about a one-minute daily appointment called blank?

01:03:33 ◼   ► Just some spaces for $23.59.

01:03:35 ◼   ► So it would always say, you know, $23.59 blank.

01:03:39 ◼   ► Would that work until Apple maybe or maybe not issues a fix?

01:03:43 ◼   ► Would you do that?

01:03:45 ◼   ► - I wouldn't do that. - I wouldn't do that either.

01:03:46 ◼   ► Because it's just going to say $23.59 and then nothing.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Yeah. Just a reminder that--

01:03:51 ◼   ► That midnight will come.

01:03:53 ◼   ► Um, yeah.

01:03:55 ◼   ► And then after midnight, it probably will just tell you

01:03:57 ◼   ► what your thing is in the morning.

01:03:58 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:03:59 ◼   ► but I won't say no more events.

01:04:01 ◼   ► But, yeah, it's a nice hack, but I wouldn't do it.

01:04:06 ◼   ► -Neither would I.

01:04:08 ◼   ► -I've come to terms with just not having my next calendar event

01:04:11 ◼   ► on my watch, and I'm okay with it.

01:04:12 ◼   ► I was really excited that it was a possibility.

01:04:15 ◼   ► And if I was still in an office and I had, like,

01:04:16 ◼   ► 10 events during the day, I would probably do it.

01:04:18 ◼   ► But right now, I just don't have a calendar event

01:04:20 ◼   ► on my watch face.

01:04:23 ◼   ► -I haven't decided if I'm gonna keep it.

01:04:27 ◼   ► doesn't bother me. No more events doesn't doesn't bother me anymore.

01:04:33 ◼   ► And I think I like having my next event there but I'm not

01:04:38 ◼   ► 100% sure that I do. Do you know what I mean? Like I think that I like it there

01:04:42 ◼   ► but I actually don't know how often I use it but...

01:04:48 ◼   ► There we go. So let's move on because that one did not fly. So we have

01:04:55 ◼   ► Chris, sorry Derek, with mobile boarding passes on the watch are there

01:05:00 ◼   ► issues at the display sleeping when you turn the watch to scan? Right, so if you're

01:05:04 ◼   ► going on a plane and you bring up Passbook and you bring up your boarding

01:05:08 ◼   ► pass, if you usually like if you turn the watch away from your face the screen

01:05:12 ◼   ► goes off and you see in all the videos and stuff people turning their watch

01:05:16 ◼   ► like away from them face down onto the scanning thing. So one I was gonna ask

01:05:21 ◼   ► Jason do you know and two what happens with Apple Pay? Yeah so I really like

01:05:24 ◼   ► this because Apple did something very smart which is when you scroll to the

01:05:29 ◼   ► barcode in Passbook the watch face stays on if not forever then much longer and

01:05:36 ◼   ► it goes to full brightness. Yeah okay that's what I'd expected because when

01:05:42 ◼   ► you go when you're in Passbook on the iPhone it like and you go to that point

01:05:45 ◼   ► and you open a pass it like ramps the phone up to full brightness anyway. Yeah

01:05:50 ◼   ► all the other UI drops away it's just the barcode and it's at full

01:05:54 ◼   ► brightness and then when you move your hand away it stays on. So it's a

01:06:01 ◼   ► special mode for scanning that happens there. Apple Pay is all NFC so you know.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Oh of course. Yeah. So you don't actually need the screen to do

01:06:12 ◼   ► anything you just kind of wave it and it does it. I bought two hot dogs with

01:06:16 ◼   ► Apple Pay last week. Oh yeah at the baseball game? Yeah it worked. It worked although

01:06:22 ◼   ► Although the scanning, the passbook didn't work, but the guy was like, "Oh, this scanner

01:06:27 ◼   ► is bad at devices, you should use her scanner."

01:06:30 ◼   ► And I ended up scanning my passbook on my phone instead of the watch because I didn't

01:06:33 ◼   ► want to make people wait in line behind me at that point.

01:06:37 ◼   ► But it totally worked to, Apple Pay totally worked to buy hot dogs.

01:06:42 ◼   ► That's like half of the Apple Pay purchases I've made have been hot dogs at a baseball

01:06:45 ◼   ► game.

01:06:46 ◼   ► But you know, hey, it works.

01:06:48 ◼   ► I would be surprised if this is the first time you've had this next question.

01:06:52 ◼   ► comes from Adam. Adam has said, "I'm abandoning Picture Life for now for the

01:06:56 ◼   ► new Photos app, but I want to keep the Memories feature." So like many of these

01:07:00 ◼   ► photo sharing services, Picture Life will send you like, "on this day" kind of

01:07:06 ◼   ► pictures. Do you have any suggestions for this? Has this crossed your path yet?

01:07:12 ◼   ► No. You know, in our little document you suggested Timehop, which

01:07:18 ◼   ► mines your Twitter and Facebook feeds for pictures. And I would throw in that ThinkUp

01:07:24 ◼   ► does that too. ThinkUp does a lot more than that, but one of the things that ThinkUp does

01:07:29 ◼   ► is tell you about things that you did in the past. Timehop is very good at that. That doesn't

01:07:36 ◼   ► help -- it doesn't mind like your whole photo library, only the things you share socially.

01:07:41 ◼   ► I know there was -- I can't remember the name of this app, but it won't solve the problem

01:07:45 ◼   ► anyway but it was a I think it was something that looked at Dropbox and did

01:07:49 ◼   ► that for you but again that's also not probably gonna help in this scenario so

01:07:54 ◼   ► it feels like there isn't anything maybe maybe there's an iOS app of some

01:07:59 ◼   ► description that can look at in your photos library I don't know I don't know

01:08:04 ◼   ► and I don't think you can set up a smart album to be you know show me everything

01:08:09 ◼   ► that happened on today's date I don't think it works that way I don't think

01:08:13 ◼   ► the smart albums feature lets you select, you know, it wants you to have very specific

01:08:19 ◼   ► days, not like a rolling selection of a year ago today or whatever. It's a good question.

01:08:26 ◼   ► I think Timehop is a great suggestion. If you've got photos that you shared, Timehop

01:08:30 ◼   ► is great. It will tell you what your tweets and Facebook posts of the past on this day

01:08:35 ◼   ► are. And it's an app and there's also an email. I like it.

01:08:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's unfortunately...

01:08:41 ◼   ► - It's not all your stuff though.

01:08:42 ◼   ► Because maybe some most of the stuff you want to remember is the stuff you don't share right the real

01:08:47 ◼   ► personal moments. It's surprised, not surprises me, but this feels like something Apple could do and it feels like an Apple-y feature, right?

01:08:54 ◼   ► It's bringing the personality into the photos.

01:08:57 ◼   ► If the scripting support were better and maybe it can get better because they often will improve the scripting support.

01:09:03 ◼   ► There is some at launch, but there could be more. If they made the scripting support better

01:09:08 ◼   ► then you could have an app that, you know, basically poked your photos library and

01:09:13 ◼   ► said, you know, look at this date in the past here and then did something and, you

01:09:17 ◼   ► know, put together a slideshow or something like that. But right now

01:09:21 ◼   ► there's nothing like that.

01:09:24 ◼   ► Sorry Adam. Jonathan has asked, "Would it be helpful for the

01:09:28 ◼   ► watch to have a network connectivity complication?" Now I had to go back and

01:09:33 ◼   ► forth with Jonathan a little bit on this to try and understand what he was asking

01:09:37 ◼   ► because I was saying, well, you know,

01:09:38 ◼   ► if the watch can't connect to anything,

01:09:39 ◼   ► it shows that little red thing with the cross through it.

01:09:43 ◼   ► But he's saying, well, sometimes, it's right,

01:09:45 ◼   ► sometimes the watch is connected to the phone,

01:09:47 ◼   ► but the watch doesn't know that the phone has no service.

01:09:51 ◼   ► I've seen this.

01:09:52 ◼   ► So I think, my feeling on this is yes, in theory,

01:09:55 ◼   ► it would be good to know,

01:09:56 ◼   ► but I think the watch just doesn't know.

01:09:58 ◼   ► So even having the complications is not gonna help

01:10:00 ◼   ► because I just think sometimes the watch doesn't know

01:10:03 ◼   ► it's not connected to the internet.

01:10:05 ◼   ► It sounds to me like what really should happen here is that the phone should be passing whatever

01:10:10 ◼   ► it passes to say, "We're not on the internet.

01:10:14 ◼   ► We're not connected to the watch," for that same notification, or a different one, or

01:10:21 ◼   ► a different icon.

01:10:22 ◼   ► But I feel like a complication is too much.

01:10:23 ◼   ► I feel like they've got the little alert spot in the top of the watch face where you'll

01:10:28 ◼   ► see a red dot if there's a notification, or you'll see an alert if there's...

01:10:31 ◼   ► - Or a little airplane, if you're in airplane mode.

01:10:34 ◼   ► - Or the little, like is it an hourglass or something?

01:10:37 ◼   ► Or a moon when it's do not disturb, right?

01:10:40 ◼   ► It's a moon.

01:10:42 ◼   ► - Yes, a moon.

01:10:43 ◼   ► - So I could see it there,

01:10:45 ◼   ► or continuing the existing warning note.

01:10:50 ◼   ► It seems really fiddly to have something

01:10:52 ◼   ► more complicated than that.

01:10:53 ◼   ► It would seem to me better that the iPhone is more aware

01:10:57 ◼   ► like I don't have service right now.

01:10:58 ◼   ► I'm not on Wi-Fi, I don't have cellular service, and would just tell the watch, you know, it's

01:11:04 ◼   ► one of those times where we're having connectivity problems.

01:11:06 ◼   ► It's a good question, though.

01:11:08 ◼   ► I have not experienced this situation, but I think that that would be the right way to

01:11:14 ◼   ► do it, right?

01:11:15 ◼   ► It's just the phone knows whether it's connected or not.

01:11:16 ◼   ► So the phone should share that information as appropriate with the watch, and the watch

01:11:20 ◼   ► should be able to adjust accordingly.

01:11:21 ◼   ► Rob has asked "Could we see an option in settings to allow the watch to stay on longer than a few seconds, battery permitting?"

01:11:29 ◼   ► This is something that we think we're gonna, that we will see. I don't see it happening because you know, if you increased it, like if you increased it by a quarter of the amount of time or twice the amount of time, you were probably decreasing the battery life by a quarter or a half.

01:11:45 ◼   ► and they're just not gonna do that.

01:11:48 ◼   ► I mean, I have to say, right, now, you know,

01:11:50 ◼   ► I've had this watch for a couple of weeks now,

01:11:51 ◼   ► I'm happy to say that, I really like it.

01:11:54 ◼   ► And my battery life, I mean,

01:11:55 ◼   ► sometimes I get to the end of my day,

01:11:57 ◼   ► and my days can be quite long,

01:11:58 ◼   ► and I'm at 50%, like, quite frequently.

01:12:03 ◼   ► So, you know, I wonder,

01:12:04 ◼   ► maybe give me an extra couple of seconds,

01:12:06 ◼   ► but I think an extra couple of seconds

01:12:08 ◼   ► is not gonna make much of a difference.

01:12:10 ◼   ► I feel like it would probably need to be, like,

01:12:12 ◼   ► twice the amount of time, and then at that point,

01:12:14 ◼   ► you're cutting the battery life in half,

01:12:15 ◼   ► I don't want to do that. It's a trade-off and I think looking at what's at hand, I think

01:12:21 ◼   ► Apple just made what they consider to be the best trade-off.

01:12:24 ◼   ► I think, so my prediction is going to be Apple's going to loosen up a little bit on the battery

01:12:29 ◼   ► life moving forward because I feel like Apple was terrified of being dinged for having not

01:12:36 ◼   ► being able to get through a day.

01:12:37 ◼   ► Sure, sure.

01:12:38 ◼   ► And maybe there are people out there who are using this thing or maybe this is in anticipation

01:12:42 ◼   ► of having more native apps come down the road. But right now, I feel like they overshot.

01:12:47 ◼   ► And again, other people may have different experiences, but everybody I've talked to,

01:12:50 ◼   ► and certainly my personal experience, is I don't run out of battery on the phone or on

01:12:54 ◼   ► the watch. It's not even close. And so yeah, could they, as an option or even as a default,

01:13:00 ◼   ► stretch it a little bit? Put a little, you know, let that watch face stay on a little

01:13:07 ◼   ► bit longer before it decides to shut off? Because I do get annoyed that it's, you know,

01:13:12 ◼   ► oh, it's already off.

01:13:12 ◼   ► No, no, no, I, I, you know, come back, right?

01:13:15 ◼   ► I wanted you to come back.

01:13:16 ◼   ► Why did you just turn off right there?

01:13:18 ◼   ► They could tweak that a little bit,

01:13:20 ◼   ► seeing it out in the world

01:13:21 ◼   ► and realizing that maybe they overshot.

01:13:23 ◼   ► Maybe they could tune it a little bit more,

01:13:26 ◼   ► either as an option or just as the default.

01:13:28 ◼   ► So it wouldn't surprise me

01:13:29 ◼   ► because I feel like everybody's basically saying,

01:13:31 ◼   ► hey, it lasts through the day, no problem.

01:13:34 ◼   ► Then again, they may be saving up all that battery life

01:13:36 ◼   ► because they know there's gonna be a, you know,

01:13:38 ◼   ► a wave of native watch apps down the road

01:13:40 ◼   ► that's gonna make it more, you know, more power use

01:13:44 ◼   ► in the device and drain that battery faster.

01:13:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:13:48 ◼   ► - I wonder, right, if the pulling for,

01:13:50 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know, I have no idea,

01:13:52 ◼   ► but when I open overcast and in overcast,

01:13:55 ◼   ► like the watch is sending a thing to the phone

01:13:59 ◼   ► to try and get data and they're exchanging stuff back,

01:14:01 ◼   ► that seems to me like a battery draining process.

01:14:04 ◼   ► That just feels like all that data being passed

01:14:07 ◼   ► backwards and forwards every time I open the app, it feels like there's gonna be a

01:14:11 ◼   ► lot going on there. So you know, I wonder what's gonna happen with

01:14:16 ◼   ► the battery life. I mean, I guess different things are gonna affect it

01:14:19 ◼   ► differently, but it might still be okay. It might be, but I do feel like

01:14:25 ◼   ► that it's possible that there'll either be a setting here to keep the screen on

01:14:29 ◼   ► a little bit longer, or that they might even tweak it themselves, because if my

01:14:34 ◼   ► impression is correct, watch battery life has not been a problem. And, you know, and

01:14:41 ◼   ► I would definitely set the time out a little higher than it's set right now in my own personal

01:14:47 ◼   ► life because I don't--I've never come close to running the battery down, and I have had

01:14:51 ◼   ► on several occasions been frustrated that it went to sleep a little bit too fast.

01:14:55 ◼   ► -Sure, yeah. No, I agree with that.

01:14:58 ◼   ► -We'll see, but it would not--it would--honestly, I think it's more likely that Apple would

01:15:03 ◼   ► just tweak this then it would be an option in settings only because Apple

01:15:06 ◼   ► likes to avoid adding fiddly options and settings but it's possible.

01:15:11 ◼   ► So this last upgrade for this week comes from Lex, not that Lex.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Not that Lex. And Lex wants to know how do you treat your Mac Docs, for example

01:15:24 ◼   ► screen location, what are the apps you keep in them, what are the folders, that kind of

01:15:27 ◼   ► I'll go first. I will talk about my MacBook Pro, which I consider to be my Mac.

01:15:33 ◼   ► The Mac Pro is like this dinghy over there doing its production stuff.

01:15:38 ◼   ► So I don't really have it set up the way I would. So I have my

01:15:45 ◼   ► dock is on the left. Where's your menu bar? Is it on the top? My menu

01:15:51 ◼   ► bar is on the top today. Sometimes I move it to the bottom, you know, just to mix it up.

01:15:55 ◼   ► to mix it up. I don't recommend that. Today my dock is on the left. I have it

01:16:02 ◼   ► down... Are those pop-up menus, drop-up menus when it's on the bottom?

01:16:06 ◼   ► They are. What do you call those menus? They are. Pop-up menus.

01:16:11 ◼   ► Yep. Mm-hmm. Good. I have, naturally, Finder. I have the App Store there. Not 100% sure

01:16:19 ◼   ► why looking at that, why I have it there, but it's there. I have Chrome, System

01:16:23 ◼   ► preferences, mailbox, messages, tweetbot, lingo which is my IRC app, slack, omni

01:16:29 ◼   ► focus, clear, Skype, Evernote, byword and Spotify. I then have a downloads folder

01:16:37 ◼   ► which is in the grid configuration and displayed as a stack and then I have

01:16:45 ◼   ► naturally the Recycle Pin. Or trash. I guess it should be called. I too have my menu bar at the top. Oh.

01:16:54 ◼   ► Yeah, that's where I like it. Trendsetter. It's traditional. It's, well, it's, you know, I've been

01:16:58 ◼   ► using the Mac a long time. You know, the original Mac had the menu bar at the top,

01:17:01 ◼   ► so. You get stuck in your ways, you know. Yeah. In my dock, I have my dock pin to

01:17:08 ◼   ► the right, I'm one of those people, Finder, BB Edit, Safari, Mailplane, iTunes,

01:17:18 ◼   ► Messages, Twitter, Photos, because I'm writing a book about photos. I'm done. I

01:17:25 ◼   ► wrote the book. They're producing it now. It'll be out soon.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Reminders, and then below that is stuff that's open, so right now Skype,

01:17:35 ◼   ► lingo and Slack. One of these days I will probably make Slack a permanent, in fact

01:17:40 ◼   ► I'm gonna make Slack a permanent resident now. Yeah. I'm gonna put it right next to

01:17:44 ◼   ► Twitter there. And then below that I've got documents, downloads, and Dropbox

01:17:47 ◼   ► folders all listed. Just, I have a question on my own, but a really good

01:17:53 ◼   ► question in the chatroom from Rafola. How does the doc on the right affect

01:17:57 ◼   ► Notification Center? What happens? Does it just push everything over? Well, in

01:18:03 ◼   ► Yosemite Notification Center doesn't push anything, it just slides over, so when

01:18:06 ◼   ► when you activate Notification Center it slides over the dock as well as

01:18:11 ◼   ► everything else that's over on that side.

01:18:15 ◼   ► I was gonna ask, MailPlane.

01:18:18 ◼   ► MailPlane.

01:18:19 ◼   ► Not mailbox.

01:18:21 ◼   ► No, I'm using MailPlane. You know, I...

01:18:25 ◼   ► So I wrote the article about like alternatives to Apple Mail, and I said,

01:18:29 ◼   ► well, I think mailbox is my favorite of all of the ones

01:18:32 ◼   ► that are sort of like general, of general use.

01:18:35 ◼   ► But I use Gmail, and so I use Mailplane,

01:18:39 ◼   ► and I've been sticking with it.

01:18:41 ◼   ► It's, Mailplane is a wrapper around Gmail

01:18:45 ◼   ► that makes it more Mac-like.

01:18:46 ◼   ► You can drag in stuff, and it's got Mac keyboard shortcuts,

01:18:50 ◼   ► and it's just a little more Mac-friendly interface

01:18:53 ◼   ► on the Gmail web interface.

01:18:55 ◼   ► And I'm finding myself just using it all the time.

01:18:57 ◼   ► I've sort of not gone back to Apple Mail.

01:19:00 ◼   ► And Mailbox, I really like the organizational features of it.

01:19:03 ◼   ► I feel like the Mac version of Mailbox is, you know--

01:19:08 ◼   ► - It's finicky tea, but it is a beta.

01:19:10 ◼   ► - It is a beta, will it ever be a final?

01:19:13 ◼   ► I really like features of it,

01:19:16 ◼   ► but I also get frustrated by some

01:19:18 ◼   ► of the other features of it.

01:19:19 ◼   ► And I, since I'm using just Gmail at this point,

01:19:24 ◼   ► on my own domain, but it's still just Gmail,

01:19:26 ◼   ► that's what I'm using. I, you know, I go back and forth, I try other stuff, but I find that

01:19:31 ◼   ► right now I'm spending more time using MailPlane than anything else for email.

01:19:37 ◼   ► Cool. I mean, you can just use a web browser too, but I like MailPlane because it adds

01:19:41 ◼   ► some Mackie stuff and runs in its own app, and you can set it as the default mail app,

01:19:46 ◼   ► and so if you click a mail link, it opens a new Gmail mail window. That's really nice

01:19:52 ◼   ► to have all that.

01:19:54 ◼   ► - It always interests me when people use mailbox

01:19:56 ◼   ► on one device but not on all devices.

01:19:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I am still using mailbox on my iPhone.

01:20:02 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:20:03 ◼   ► - And I like it there.

01:20:04 ◼   ► I like the swipe to classify.

01:20:06 ◼   ► That's the thing is that all of the classifications

01:20:09 ◼   ► of mailbox are just folders in Gmail, labels in Gmail.

01:20:12 ◼   ► So I have access to all that same stuff.

01:20:15 ◼   ► What I'm not using as much is the snooze features

01:20:19 ◼   ► because they don't really work.

01:20:21 ◼   ► - I'm also a big fan of the reordering.

01:20:24 ◼   ► Right? Right. I don't do a lot of that, but it's one of those things that I wish the mailbox version on the Mac was a little more stable and had a little more attention given to it, because I really like it.

01:20:37 ◼   ► But, you know, it's—mail playing for me because I'm in Gmail all the time is—and I'm kind of used to the interface—I do like it.

01:20:48 ◼   ► mailbox on the Mac, it does weird things and whenever they release a new

01:20:54 ◼   ► update for the beta it fixes the weird things but introduces more equally weird

01:20:58 ◼   ► things. Like at the moment I have it in full screen right? If I open a new email

01:21:03 ◼   ► previously it used to just put that the compose window over the top of the full

01:21:09 ◼   ► screen window right? It just kept it within the application but now it opens

01:21:13 ◼   ► a separate full screen window which is just the worst it's the worst possible

01:21:19 ◼   ► thing to do and like also if I open the preferences it opens another full screen

01:21:24 ◼   ► window with black around it and it doesn't have a close button like it's

01:21:29 ◼   ► just yeah and I emailed them about it and they were like thanks for the

01:21:33 ◼   ► feedback and it's like that was not the response okay bug report like thank you

01:21:40 ◼   ► That's like, "Hey, buddies."

01:21:42 ◼   ► Anyway.

01:21:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's too bad because I like so many things about it.

01:21:48 ◼   ► And then there are things that are just super weird

01:21:50 ◼   ► and I feel like, you know, come on, you're a male client.

01:21:55 ◼   ► - Wait, what?

01:21:56 ◼   ► Come on.

01:21:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, wait, what?

01:21:59 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:22:00 ◼   ► Oh, come on.

01:22:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:22:02 ◼   ► - Okay, right.

01:22:04 ◼   ► It's time for Myke in the movies.

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01:24:18 ◼   ► and Myke at the Movies.

01:24:21 ◼   ► Okay, so.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Myke at the Movies.

01:24:24 ◼   ► We're going to the movies with Myke.

01:24:26 ◼   ► What did Myke see this time?

01:24:28 ◼   ► It's Raiders of the Law.

01:24:29 ◼   ► I can't do it.

01:24:30 ◼   ► I can't be Elliot Kaelin singing the, uh, it's Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the

01:24:35 ◼   ► Lost Ark, which is not its title, but it's how it's marketed now.

01:24:38 ◼   ► It's just Raiders of the Lost Ark.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Steven Spielberg.

01:24:41 ◼   ► Yes, so this is one of the things that I noticed originally, it was just called Raiders of

01:24:45 ◼   ► the Lost Ark.

01:24:46 ◼   ► And then when I searched on IMDB to find some names of the characters for my notes, it took

01:24:50 ◼   ► me a moment to find it, because I was looking for Indiana Jones and it wasn't coming up

01:24:57 ◼   ► and then realized that, oh, it was just called Raiders of the Lost Ark because nobody cared

01:25:02 ◼   ► about Indiana Jones before the movie came out, right?

01:25:05 ◼   ► Indeed.

01:25:06 ◼   ► Why would you care?

01:25:07 ◼   ► Oh, Indiana Jones?

01:25:08 ◼   ► I haven't heard of that guy before.

01:25:09 ◼   ► I'm going to love that movie.

01:25:11 ◼   ► And they probably, I'm going to assume, didn't know that it was going to be a franchise,

01:25:14 ◼   ► right?

01:25:15 ◼   ► Because...

01:25:16 ◼   ► Well, I mean, I'm sure they hoped.

01:25:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:25:19 ◼   ► Right?

01:25:20 ◼   ► I mean, this is Steven Spielberg and George Lucas at the...

01:25:23 ◼   ► I don't know about the height of Steven Spielberg's career because he went on to have

01:25:27 ◼   ► this amazing career after this, but this was like the height of their fame as these young

01:25:31 ◼   ► producers and directors who had made these giant blockbuster films, and they decided to collaborate

01:25:38 ◼   ► on Raiders of the Lost Ark, and everybody went crazy like, "Oh my god, it's the next big thing."

01:25:43 ◼   ► So I imagine they thought it would be a big franchise.

01:25:46 ◼   ► And Han Solo.

01:25:47 ◼   ► And starring Han Solo. Exactly right. Who was, I think, reluctant, Harrison Ford was initially

01:25:53 ◼   ► reluctant to be in this movie because he felt it was too similar to Han Solo, but he did it.

01:25:59 ◼   ► So before, kind of before going in...

01:26:02 ◼   ► Tom Selleck was going to be Indiana Jones by the way, but he couldn't do it because of Magnum P.I.

01:26:07 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. I know. What a world. There's a parallel universe out there where Tom Selleck

01:26:13 ◼   ► was in Raiders of the Lost Ark. I can imagine that. I mean, I'll talk about the character

01:26:18 ◼   ► in general in a minute, like as I go through, but I can imagine Tom Selleck also fitting that role.

01:26:23 ◼   ► Like in my mind I get that. Okay so, before I watched this movie, there were a couple of

01:26:35 ◼   ► things that I knew about Indiana Jones. Right? Okay. I knew the character, right? I knew,

01:26:43 ◼   ► you know, I know, I know Indiana Jones as a character.

01:26:46 ◼   ► Um, I know about-- Good start.

01:26:48 ◼   ► I know about the boulder, right? I know about the face melting, and I know about

01:26:53 ◼   ► sliding under a closing door. You know about,

01:26:56 ◼   ► about what? The face melting. What was the first one? The boulder.

01:27:01 ◼   ► Oh, the boulder, okay, yes. I, I, you know, I almost heard,

01:27:04 ◼   ► I know about Ebola. That's not really relevant to this at all.

01:27:08 ◼   ► The boulder, the boulder, the roll-- giant rolling boulder.

01:27:11 ◼   ► Didn't you get the Ebonus subplot of Francis of the Last Dawn of Jason?

01:27:15 ◼   ► I missed the subtext there.

01:27:17 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go through and as I do and and talk through my notes

01:27:22 ◼   ► I do very much enjoy doing this, but it is very peculiar

01:27:26 ◼   ► I mean

01:27:26 ◼   ► I'm sure you feel sort of time to to watch a movie and take notes on the movie because I don't know how you do

01:27:31 ◼   ► this, but I

01:27:32 ◼   ► Pause the movie and make some notes in a start again. Do you do that when you take notes and movies?

01:27:39 ◼   ► No, because it's generally no I just generally just keep taking the notes

01:27:43 ◼   ► So if something really amazing happens immediately after something other amazing and noteworthy then I might miss it in which case I would back

01:27:50 ◼   ► It up I suppose. Yeah, cuz I felt that sometimes I'd lose I like it's like 20 minutes later

01:27:55 ◼   ► And I don't know what's happening. It's because I realized I lost 30 seconds, but those 30 seconds

01:27:59 ◼   ► Something really important happened in them like that's happened to me. So that's why I pause

01:28:02 ◼   ► So I don't end up with more confusion later

01:28:07 ◼   ► So yeah, my first note is I was, you know, noting Indiana Jones. There is no Indiana Jones in the title.

01:28:13 ◼   ► And this is, my next note that I have here is something that I feel was pretty,

01:28:17 ◼   ► pretty, a pretty consistent feeling that you're gonna hear me mention quite a bit. But whilst I think a whip is super cool,

01:28:25 ◼   ► I don't think it's

01:28:27 ◼   ► probably the most effective weapon in any instance that he uses it.

01:28:31 ◼   ► Well, it's, it's,

01:28:33 ◼   ► It's tool. I think it's not his only tool. It is kind of his trademark, but it's not his only tool.

01:28:38 ◼   ► And I don't know, archaeologist, you're getting in and out of scrapes and funny areas,

01:28:43 ◼   ► and obviously it's quite versatile with what he does with it. He's very good at the whip.

01:28:48 ◼   ► Yeah, that's my thing though. It's like I don't think anybody could be that good.

01:28:52 ◼   ► Well, this is a little like when you're playing Dungeons & Dragons and somebody says,

01:28:57 ◼   ► "I'm going to do something with rope," right? It's like rope doesn't do that.

01:29:00 ◼   ► Sure, you could try to do that.

01:29:02 ◼   ► What do you think this rope is, this magic rope?

01:29:04 ◼   ► Because rope is very limited in its utility, and I think whips are similarly limited.

01:29:10 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like any time a grappling hook is used to cross a cavern in any movie, grappling

01:29:15 ◼   ► hooks do not do that in the one go.

01:29:18 ◼   ► I saw Star Wars, I watched Star Wars this weekend, and when Luke and Leia are going

01:29:25 ◼   ► across that cavern you know in the Death Star and he like throws up this

01:29:30 ◼   ► grappling hook from his Batman utility belt which apparently Luke had for the

01:29:34 ◼   ► rest of the movie that nobody bothered to mention. I don't know where, it's never explained.

01:29:39 ◼   ► I need to cross caverns sometimes.

01:29:42 ◼   ► And you know he uses that and he throws it up there and in one it like goes around and hooks on perfectly.

01:29:47 ◼   ► Yeah amazing. Just what you need for that in case you are trapped in a

01:29:53 ◼   ► place where people work that has giant bottomless pits. These things happen.

01:29:58 ◼   ► Workplace hazards, you know? But this isn't about Star Wars. No. I found the

01:30:03 ◼   ► beginning of this movie to be very mysterious, like, there's no explanation

01:30:08 ◼   ► to what is happening, right? You're just in in the jungle, and also, like,

01:30:13 ◼   ► something that I found really interesting, and I wonder how people took

01:30:16 ◼   ► to this when it first came out, because Indy is in this first scene, right, when

01:30:20 ◼   ► they're going after the idol. There is no kind of clear explanation as to whether

01:30:26 ◼   ► this character is a good guy or a bad guy.

01:30:29 ◼   ► Well in fact, if you look you'll see that he's in shadow at the beginning and his back has turned to the camera

01:30:38 ◼   ► and we don't actually see his face for a long time. He's mysterious at the beginning.

01:30:46 ◼   ► Because then it's like the people that look like they're up to no good and they have accents, right?

01:30:52 ◼   ► And then he's siding with these people and it's like, is this a good person or a bad person?

01:30:58 ◼   ► I can see how that, you know, people might have thought that because I was when I was watching-

01:31:02 ◼   ► He is the star of the movie so, you know.

01:31:04 ◼   ► Yeah but you didn't necessarily- well okay, I mean, if you knew Harrison Ford, right?

01:31:09 ◼   ► But I mean this is assuming knowledge of it, but anyway.

01:31:11 ◼   ► It doesn't mean he's a good guy.

01:31:15 ◼   ► then we go through the whole scene with Alfred Molina, who may be my favorite character in

01:31:21 ◼   ► this movie. I think he is amazing. He's just so great. All of his terror, everything,

01:31:29 ◼   ► is just brilliant. And they go and grab the idol. And so much of what I knew about Indiana Jones

01:31:37 ◼   ► happens in this sequence. In that opening sequence, yeah.

01:31:41 ◼   ► which is something that I found really interesting. I didn't expect to get both the boulder and the

01:31:46 ◼   ► sliding under the door in the same movie, let alone in the first 10 minutes. And even like the

01:31:52 ◼   ► replacing the idol with a bag of sand. All of these things have been played out so many times,

01:32:00 ◼   ► but like watching them here, it's always difficult when you're watching a movie like this. Having

01:32:05 ◼   ► seeing a bunch of movies that like use things that are probably unique to this

01:32:12 ◼   ► movie like later that become tropes because when you watch them you have

01:32:16 ◼   ► less appreciation I think so I try and leave those things at the door and

01:32:20 ◼   ► appreciate the movie what it is but it is very difficult when you have all this

01:32:23 ◼   ► like retroactive knowledge about the film.

01:32:27 ◼   ► Although the film is itself a you know it's an homage to adventure

01:32:33 ◼   ► just as Star Wars is really, to adventure serials of the 50s I guess and before. So

01:32:38 ◼   ► it's not you know it's a re-spinning of some old tropes into things that would

01:32:43 ◼   ► then became so influential that you saw them again afterward because of this.

01:32:48 ◼   ► And then again another consistent theme along with the the whip is how gory this

01:32:54 ◼   ► movie is. Surprised me. Well there are yeah so Zepito

01:33:01 ◼   ► takes the takes the idol and doesn't give back the whip, but he is not careful and gets impaled by the

01:33:08 ◼   ► spikes just as Forstahl, uh, Forstahl, not Straht-Forstahl, but Forstahl bought it here earlier and they find

01:33:15 ◼   ► his skeleton and then and then as Indiana goes under the with his whip and goes under the the

01:33:20 ◼   ► little dropping down door which is dropping for a very long time, he finds Alfred Molina impaled

01:33:29 ◼   ► likewise on the spikes and says adios, Sapido, and takes the takes the idol and and then runs away.

01:33:36 ◼   ► That's a pretty gory moment just just then, right? Yeah. And then later there's the face melting and

01:33:43 ◼   ► things that happen at the end. It's not it's not there's not quite so much in the middle, but um

01:33:48 ◼   ► oh well other than things involving the airplanes airplane propellers in the desert yeah okay fair

01:33:53 ◼   ► enough yeah I'll give it to you. I've noted down more gory parts which I'll get to. That's the gory

01:33:58 ◼   ► details is what you're saying. Indeed. Then of course we have the boulder, right?

01:34:03 ◼   ► Which this is such a huge action moment to put at the start of a movie because

01:34:09 ◼   ► it is so insane, right? This huge boulder chasing you and you're trying to escape

01:34:14 ◼   ► from it. Lots of danger, lots of excitement, and this like real like rise

01:34:19 ◼   ► of action right at the start of the movie reminds me of a James Bond film.

01:34:24 ◼   ► he's going on this little adventure which sets up the character.

01:34:27 ◼   ► That's definitely the model here. James Bond is absolutely one of the models for Indiana Jones and for this movie.

01:34:36 ◼   ► You know, the flavor is a little different, but it's definitely one of the models.

01:34:40 ◼   ► And then also it's that cliffhanger feel of a serial, of a movie serial, where you're coming in at the end of his adventure

01:34:45 ◼   ► and seeing, you know, how will he escape the rolling boulder and you back up and sort of see the action that came before

01:34:52 ◼   ► and now we'll see the resolution.

01:34:54 ◼   ► And they're trying to give you that feeling too.

01:34:55 ◼   ► But that's the same thing that James Bond does.

01:34:57 ◼   ► It's the exact same thing.

01:34:58 ◼   ► You're usually in those James Bond movies,

01:35:00 ◼   ► you're catching up on something

01:35:01 ◼   ► that isn't related to the movie.

01:35:02 ◼   ► And it's just sort of like,

01:35:03 ◼   ► here's what happened in this off-screen adventure

01:35:06 ◼   ► that James Bond had,

01:35:07 ◼   ► and now we're getting the resolution of it.

01:35:08 ◼   ► But it's definitely very Bond-like.

01:35:10 ◼   ► - Like Indiana Jones, I'm also scared of snakes, right?

01:35:14 ◼   ► 'Cause he has the snake that's in the plane,

01:35:15 ◼   ► which also made me laugh,

01:35:16 ◼   ► 'cause there was a snake on the plane, which made me smile.

01:35:21 ◼   ► So little did I know at this point that I was not set up for a good ride here.

01:35:26 ◼   ► There were going to be a lot more snakes as the movie progresses.

01:35:29 ◼   ► Yes, that is a, they're setting up his fear of snakes for later payoff.

01:35:33 ◼   ► And then we have in a row here, we have two in a row, massive shocks to me about this movie.

01:35:39 ◼   ► Shock number one is that Indiana Jones is a professor.

01:35:43 ◼   ► Yes.

01:35:44 ◼   ► I did not know this.

01:35:46 ◼   ► And I was extremely surprised because at first I thought, oh, like,

01:35:51 ◼   ► That's a surprise. He must have retired, right?

01:35:54 ◼   ► And now he is a professor and he is going to be called back into action.

01:35:58 ◼   ► But no, he is a professor who, as part of his professor duties, goes on massive adventures.

01:36:04 ◼   ► Which I love the thought that there are archaeologists that are teaching archaeologists

01:36:09 ◼   ► who are sent by "the museum" whatever that is, "the museum"

01:36:14 ◼   ► to go out into the world and steal things.

01:36:17 ◼   ► - I love the... - The university museum, I guess.

01:36:19 ◼   ► university museum that we must protect. I also really loved in as 80s movies will

01:36:28 ◼   ► be... this is in the 80s? Yeah it's 1981 I want to say. Okay great. In a great 80s

01:36:35 ◼   ► movie fashion all of the girls are in love with him in the class to the point

01:36:41 ◼   ► where I really really enjoyed the "love you" written on that one girl's eyelids.

01:36:48 ◼   ► genius but and the guy puts the the male student puts the apple on the desk too

01:36:55 ◼   ► I love that so everybody loves dr. Jones but I have to say Harrison Ford in this

01:37:01 ◼   ► movie is an extremely handsome man like there are points in this movie where I'm

01:37:06 ◼   ► like oh my god look at you absolutely no actually it's quite a shock right we've

01:37:13 ◼   ► seen them all scruffy in in the jungle and then you cut to him writing on the

01:37:18 ◼   ► chalkboard and you're like whoa whoa whoa what just happened right yeah cleans up

01:37:23 ◼   ► he cleans up kind of nice and that's how we we meet Dr. Jones and his element for

01:37:28 ◼   ► the first time and I do you know now I feel having seen these movies that

01:37:32 ◼   ► Indiana Jones is more attractive than Han Solo oh yeah yeah I agree so he's

01:37:39 ◼   ► He's just a scruffy looking nerf herder.

01:37:41 ◼   ► Uh huh.

01:37:43 ◼   ► Yep.

01:37:44 ◼   ► The next huge surprise for me that I was not expecting was the Nazis.

01:37:48 ◼   ► I didn't know that the Nazis were going to be in this movie.

01:37:52 ◼   ► 1936 did not set off any alarm bells.

01:37:55 ◼   ► I just didn't expect it.

01:37:58 ◼   ► I was very surprised that my now I know him as an archaeology professor is going to be

01:38:03 ◼   ► fighting the Nazis in this movie.

01:38:07 ◼   ► And you know, this ties into these two points tying to "archeologists are cool."

01:38:12 ◼   ► You know?

01:38:13 ◼   ► - Archaeologists are...how many archaeology careers were launched with Raiders of the

01:38:16 ◼   ► Lost Ark?

01:38:17 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:38:18 ◼   ► But it's...and it's a nice...I mean, it's not...he ends up fighting the Nazis, right?

01:38:22 ◼   ► But it's really about the Nazis and the Nazis are after an archaeological item and the U.S.

01:38:29 ◼   ► government says, you know, "We don't want him to get this item."

01:38:33 ◼   ► And so Indiana Jones is on the case at that point.

01:38:35 ◼   ► So it's sort of like, who's going to get the item?

01:38:37 ◼   ► Who's going to get the Ark of the Covenant?

01:38:39 ◼   ► And then the globe-trotting adventure begins.

01:38:42 ◼   ► And the Nazis, pre-war Nazi Germany are the villains, which is interesting.

01:38:46 ◼   ► So there are no open hostilities.

01:38:47 ◼   ► He can move around the world, but it's very clear that the Nazis and Hitler are not...

01:38:56 ◼   ► It's not going to go well, right?

01:38:59 ◼   ► So they're good villains to have at that point.

01:39:01 ◼   ► - Hitler is mentioned so much in this movie.

01:39:04 ◼   ► I was waiting for him to make an appearance.

01:39:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, he appears in "The Last Crusade."

01:39:09 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:39:10 ◼   ► - In a jokey scene that I don't really enjoy,

01:39:13 ◼   ► but it's funny, it's so broad that I don't,

01:39:17 ◼   ► one of my criticisms of "The Last Crusade,"

01:39:19 ◼   ► which is a very good movie,

01:39:20 ◼   ► it's not at Raiders level, but it's a good movie.

01:39:24 ◼   ► It's the other good movie in the series, I would say.

01:39:26 ◼   ► That's gonna make some people sad,

01:39:28 ◼   ► but the Nazis are much more slapstick villains in that,

01:39:32 ◼   ► whereas they feel really menacing here, for the most part.

01:39:36 ◼   ► -Yeah. There is a lot of slapstick in this movie.

01:39:38 ◼   ► -Yeah. Hitler signs an autograph for somebody in "Last Crusade."

01:39:42 ◼   ► It's not -- Anyway, yeah. Yeah.

01:39:45 ◼   ► -Okay, so then we have -- We discover Marian, right?

01:39:51 ◼   ► -Marian, yeah. Marian Raven-Wood.

01:39:53 ◼   ► -She's drinking an awful lot of alcohol.

01:39:55 ◼   ► She's having -- -She's drinking the other Nepalese

01:40:00 ◼   ► or wherever they are, Tibetans are under the table.

01:40:03 ◼   ► She recovers extremely fast from the amount of alcohol that she consumed as Indi arrives.

01:40:09 ◼   ► She's really good at holding her liquor is the lesson we've learned about Marion.

01:40:14 ◼   ► And then, you know, so then, so basically Indi is on his quest now to find the Ark of

01:40:19 ◼   ► the Government, which is what the Ten Commandments were expected to be stowed into. There is

01:40:26 ◼   ► There's a whole, you know, we set up the idea of there could be magic within here at this

01:40:30 ◼   ► point.

01:40:31 ◼   ► Yeah, let me pause you just to say, and we talked about this on the incomparable episode

01:40:35 ◼   ► about Raiders, I think it's actually kind of a masterful scene, the exposition scene

01:40:38 ◼   ► that happens where they're like in the auditorium at the college and it's Indy and his mentor

01:40:43 ◼   ► and the two guys from the government.

01:40:47 ◼   ► And they explain all this stuff about the Ark of the Covenant and all that.

01:40:51 ◼   ► is the maybe my favorite exposition scene in any film because it's so

01:40:56 ◼   ► dramatic and interesting and yet it really is like a guy on at a chalkboard

01:41:00 ◼   ► explaining the Bible. But the other thing is it doesn't feel like I mean it is

01:41:04 ◼   ► exposition it doesn't have the exposition feeling to it. That's why it's

01:41:08 ◼   ► so good. Yeah it is being explained to these two people because these two

01:41:12 ◼   ► people clearly don't understand what they're dealing with and it works it

01:41:17 ◼   ► what I agree with you I didn't realize until now how well that scene actually

01:41:21 ◼   ► worked because it kind of I just took it in as information I needed. So India has

01:41:26 ◼   ► arrived and he has asked for it's like an amulet. The headpiece of the staff of

01:41:31 ◼   ► Ra which is like on a necklace in Nepal. His old mentor Abner is dead but

01:41:38 ◼   ► his daughter and Indy's ex-girlfriend Marion is running this

01:41:44 ◼   ► bar and she says she knows where it is come back tomorrow. And then some evil

01:41:51 ◼   ► German accents appear.

01:41:52 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:41:53 ◼   ► - You know, the most evil that you could imagine

01:41:57 ◼   ► a German accent to be.

01:41:58 ◼   ► Like it's not just a German accent,

01:42:00 ◼   ► there's also like a weirdness to the voice, like you know.

01:42:02 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, well it's almost like a Peter Lorre kind of thing

01:42:04 ◼   ► where it's, I think what Todt says, the Nazi in question,

01:42:08 ◼   ► she's like gonna get a drink for you and your men

01:42:10 ◼   ► when she realizes they're gonna be threatening her.

01:42:12 ◼   ► And he says, "We are not thirsty."

01:42:15 ◼   ► And it's like, oh my God.

01:42:17 ◼   ► - Your fire is dying.

01:42:19 ◼   ► - Is dying.

01:42:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, so creepy, yeah.

01:42:23 ◼   ► He's a bad guy, suffice it to say, that's a bad guy.

01:42:26 ◼   ► - Not only is he wearing all black,

01:42:28 ◼   ► and then later in the movie where he gets like

01:42:30 ◼   ► the nunchucks coat hanger, like what is that thing about?

01:42:34 ◼   ► - That's a pretty good gag though.

01:42:36 ◼   ► Oh my god, what's it gonna do with that?

01:42:37 ◼   ► Oh, he's just hanging up his coat.

01:42:39 ◼   ► - So this is another point, again, whilst it's cool

01:42:42 ◼   ► using a whip to grab a hot poker

01:42:44 ◼   ► whilst it's in inches from somebody's face,

01:42:47 ◼   ► I think bad idea.

01:42:48 ◼   ► I think that that is a poor choice.

01:42:51 ◼   ► The tools that are available at a time, I would say.

01:42:53 ◼   ► He has a gun!

01:42:54 ◼   ► Because he gets it out next.

01:42:56 ◼   ► But he wants to pull the poker away so it doesn't burn Marion.

01:43:00 ◼   ► I think that there's more...

01:43:02 ◼   ► He could have just easily whipped her in the face at that point.

01:43:06 ◼   ► Or whipped it forward into her face.

01:43:09 ◼   ► That's what I expect, right?

01:43:10 ◼   ► The force of the whip hitting the poker would have hit her in the face.

01:43:15 ◼   ► Indiana Jones is that good.

01:43:17 ◼   ► It appears so, wouldn't it? So this is where a lot of gore is occurring. There is a gunfight,

01:43:25 ◼   ► that happens in the bar, and there is an incredible amount of blood here. There are

01:43:32 ◼   ► lots of people on fire, and it's just surprising to me. There's one point where someone gets shot

01:43:39 ◼   ► in the head, and it's not like what you usually see in a movie. The guy gets shot in the head,

01:43:45 ◼   ► You see a gunshot wound immediately appear on his head. It doesn't move. He just falls forward which is actually I believe

01:43:51 ◼   ► After watching mythbusters what actually does happen like you don't fly across the room when you get shot sure

01:43:57 ◼   ► right, you just stop where you are and fall down and it's

01:44:00 ◼   ► Real enough looking that it was very surprising to me

01:44:04 ◼   ► There's lots of people with blood pouring out of their mouths after they're shot in the back

01:44:07 ◼   ► You get you get the thing where Indy Indy thinks he's been shot by the guy

01:44:10 ◼   ► But it turns out that that the guy has been shot and his mouth opens and blood pours out and he falls down

01:44:15 ◼   ► Yeah, it was you know, it's not a complaint. It was just surprising. I was surprised by it

01:44:22 ◼   ► I don't know what rating this movie was, but I in the US the US rating is PG. Yeah

01:44:28 ◼   ► See that surprises me

01:44:30 ◼   ► I feel like that you couldn't do this now and still be a PG. It would be a PG 13 now. Yeah

01:44:38 ◼   ► In fact, the second movie in this series is what essentially created the PG-13 rating

01:44:42 ◼   ► because it's even more far more brutal.

01:44:45 ◼   ► Interesting.

01:44:46 ◼   ► Interesting.

01:44:47 ◼   ► James Thompson in the chat room says, "I saw this film when I was eight and it did traumatize

01:44:50 ◼   ► me a bit."

01:44:51 ◼   ► So there you go.

01:44:53 ◼   ► My notes jump quite significantly here.

01:44:56 ◼   ► So I'm now straight at the point where they're having the chase in the desert town.

01:45:03 ◼   ► I can't remember where they are.

01:45:05 ◼   ► So what happens is that Tote tries to grab the medallion, but it's been in a fire, so

01:45:14 ◼   ► it's burning hot, and so he screams and jumps out and puts his hand in the snow.

01:45:18 ◼   ► I don't know why he jumps out the window.

01:45:19 ◼   ► He just ran out the door, man.

01:45:21 ◼   ► Yeah, he just runs out the window.

01:45:23 ◼   ► He's driven mad.

01:45:25 ◼   ► The thing's burning down.

01:45:27 ◼   ► Karen Allen picks up the thing with a cloth and says to Indy that she's coming with him

01:45:32 ◼   ► because they're partners and we follow the little, you know, the airplane on the map

01:45:36 ◼   ► montage, which we saw to get to Nepal. Now leaves Nepal and goes to Egypt where they

01:45:41 ◼   ► meet up with Salah, who is John Rhys-Davies, and he says that the Nazis are digging out

01:45:46 ◼   ► in the desert because they think they found Tanis, the lost city out in the desert. And

01:45:52 ◼   ► so is it the chase? Which chase are you referring to? Is it the first one where she gets, she

01:46:02 ◼   ► she gets kidnapped.

01:46:03 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:46:04 ◼   ► So the next point on my notes, so Marion at this point is in a basket being taken around

01:46:09 ◼   ► by a couple of villains, right?

01:46:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:46:14 ◼   ► And then I just liked the bit where this is another famous scene now that I've seen it.

01:46:20 ◼   ► I know people are referencing it.

01:46:22 ◼   ► You've got the huge tall guy who's throwing the sword around, right?

01:46:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:46:26 ◼   ► Getting ready for the showdown and then he just shoots him.

01:46:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:46:29 ◼   ► Which is great.

01:46:30 ◼   ► The story is that Harrison Ford had the flu or something and was incredibly sick and they

01:46:33 ◼   ► got to the end of the day shooting that and they didn't, you know, and he was like, "What

01:46:37 ◼   ► if I just shoot him and we don't do a big fight scene?"

01:46:40 ◼   ► And they said, "All right, let's do that.

01:46:41 ◼   ► That's the story anyway."

01:46:43 ◼   ► But it's a really, it's a funny moment that Indy is just, he doesn't go in for that kind

01:46:49 ◼   ► of showbiz stuff.

01:46:50 ◼   ► He's going to, "Whatever, I can just shoot you."

01:46:51 ◼   ► - Well, unless there's a bullwhip involved.

01:46:53 ◼   ► - Unless there's a whip involved.

01:46:54 ◼   ► Yeah, he couldn't use the whip in that situation.

01:46:55 ◼   ► - Just whipped him in the eye or something.

01:46:57 ◼   ► - He was tired.

01:46:58 ◼   ► - One of the things that happens with Indy in this movie

01:47:00 ◼   ► and in general is that he gets beat up.

01:47:03 ◼   ► Like, I like that about him.

01:47:04 ◼   ► You root for him in part because he keeps getting beat up.

01:47:06 ◼   ► He gets, he's, you know, he's punched, he's bloody,

01:47:09 ◼   ► he's tired, you get the sense he's really tired

01:47:12 ◼   ► and he wants to go lie down, but he can't

01:47:14 ◼   ► 'cause he's gotta fight the Nazis instead.

01:47:16 ◼   ► - So, you know, at this point,

01:47:18 ◼   ► Marion's put into the back of a truck full of explosives.

01:47:20 ◼   ► I was not expecting her to be blown up.

01:47:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is a surprise when she's blown up

01:47:25 ◼   ► and it's very sad. - And I thought she was dead.

01:47:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I mean, the way it's edited,

01:47:31 ◼   ► it's very hard to imagine how she wasn't put in the truck,

01:47:33 ◼   ► but we just hear her voice and see the baskets

01:47:37 ◼   ► and it turns out she's in another basket

01:47:39 ◼   ► and not that basket, I guess,

01:47:40 ◼   ► but it's unclear how she gets out of the truck

01:47:43 ◼   ► before it explodes.

01:47:44 ◼   ► But at that point, Indy is essentially suicidal,

01:47:47 ◼   ► so he basically goes and finds Belloq, his tormentor,

01:47:49 ◼   ► and is like, "Go ahead and make my day.

01:47:51 ◼   ► "We'll both go, you know, we'll both die."

01:47:54 ◼   ► And they save him and talk him out of it

01:47:58 ◼   ► and convince him to go out into the desert

01:48:00 ◼   ► and try to dig in the right place

01:48:02 ◼   ► because we learned that the Nazis

01:48:04 ◼   ► are digging in the wrong place

01:48:05 ◼   ► because they've copied the headpiece

01:48:08 ◼   ► from the burn on Evel German Todt's hand.

01:48:12 ◼   ► And the instructions on the backside of it say,

01:48:15 ◼   ► take away a couple of cubits.

01:48:17 ◼   ► And so they're digging in the wrong place.

01:48:19 ◼   ► So they gotta go,

01:48:20 ◼   ► Jones has gotta go to the Well of Souls

01:48:23 ◼   ► with his little stick and the little headpiece

01:48:25 ◼   ► and find where to dig properly to get this artifact.

01:48:30 ◼   ► - So a couple of points that I had

01:48:34 ◼   ► leading in between these two points that we have here.

01:48:38 ◼   ► There's one where, you know, after Marion has died

01:48:41 ◼   ► and Indy's sitting at a bar and he's drinking

01:48:43 ◼   ► and there's a lot of close-up shots of him.

01:48:45 ◼   ► And it was at that moment that I decided

01:48:47 ◼   ► that Chris Pratt should be the new Indiana Jones

01:48:49 ◼   ► and they should reboot it.

01:48:51 ◼   ► - Yep, that might happen.

01:48:53 ◼   ► - Well, they've just announced Indy 5

01:48:54 ◼   ► and for all intents and purposes it seems like it will have Harrison Ford in it so

01:48:58 ◼   ► because it's Indiana Jones 5 but I feel like they could start again because

01:49:03 ◼   ► Chris Pratt is perfect for the role in my opinion and looks enough like Harrison

01:49:09 ◼   ► Ford I kind of wish that Shia LaBeouf kind of wasn't his son because Chris

01:49:13 ◼   ► Pratt kind of is Harrison Ford's son you know they look very very similar and I

01:49:18 ◼   ► would I would quite like to see that because I am a big fan of Chris Pratt I

01:49:22 ◼   ► I like his work. I was surprised the monkey died even though the monkey is a

01:49:27 ◼   ► traitor, a treacherous, treacherous traitor. He's a Nazi monkey.

01:49:31 ◼   ► Even though he is a Nazi monkey he eats the dates like a silly Nazi monkey and

01:49:36 ◼   ► then he dies. And then when we're up to the point that you're at

01:49:41 ◼   ► Harrison Ford goes down into the pit, like the map room I think they call it.

01:49:47 ◼   ► And he does all of his archaeological stuff, he points at things on the floor

01:49:50 ◼   ► and he brushes sand away and he finds out, you know, where the the correct place needs to be.

01:49:55 ◼   ► And then, you know, there's a "hoo-ha-ha" but he ends up getting out of there. And that's when

01:50:02 ◼   ► Marion is alive and I wrote in my notes "she's alive!" because I was very excited about that and

01:50:07 ◼   ► also happy. Yeah, but then he leaves her there. He's gonna untie her and then he realizes they'll know

01:50:12 ◼   ► that he's there if he if he has her, helps her escape. So he says "I'm gonna leave you here"

01:50:17 ◼   ► and that infuriates her quite rightly so and he leaves to go get his prize.

01:50:23 ◼   ► That's smart though to me. You don't see that sort of stuff in movies.

01:50:27 ◼   ► No it is it is smart but I also love that it infuriates her

01:50:30 ◼   ► and yeah it's a that's a I like that I like that moment a lot

01:50:34 ◼   ► that she's infuriated that he's going to leave her there.

01:50:39 ◼   ► And then there's the whole basically that they're at the point now they've

01:50:44 ◼   ► they know where they've got to go and they start digging

01:50:46 ◼   ► Um, and then, you know, I don't know why they thought they wouldn't get caught, uh, getting

01:50:53 ◼   ► the -- they find the Ark of the Covenant, right? Well, they --

01:50:55 ◼   ► It's a big -- big desert. Yeah, but it's not -- it's not far from the site.

01:50:59 ◼   ► Yeah. No, they can -- they can see them up there. They almost get away with it, but they

01:51:03 ◼   ► don't get away with it. So they toss Indy and Marion into the, uh, into the -- the -- the

01:51:09 ◼   ► pit after getting the -- the Ark of the Covenant out, and of course it's full of snakes down

01:51:13 ◼   ► there. Ah, so it's very dangerous. You go first.

01:51:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's a nice moment where Sala says,

01:51:16 ◼   ► "You, yes, you go first."

01:51:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:51:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I didn't like all the snakes in this bit.

01:51:23 ◼   ► One of my favorite points, again,

01:51:27 ◼   ► this enforces the craziness of using a whip.

01:51:31 ◼   ► Marianne burns in these leg thinking

01:51:33 ◼   ► that the whip was a snake.

01:51:34 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:51:36 ◼   ► - It's like, "See, whip is silly."

01:51:39 ◼   ► I do like the whip, by the way.

01:51:40 ◼   ► I don't want to see him as anti-whip.

01:51:43 ◼   ► I just think that there are times where the whip works

01:51:45 ◼   ► times with a whip doesn't work. And then you know they kind of get out and then

01:51:50 ◼   ► there's like this horrific so basically Indy climbs up this big statue knocks it

01:51:54 ◼   ► down creates a hole in the wall right and then there's this horrific scene

01:51:57 ◼   ► right another like really and this one out of place.

01:52:02 ◼   ► Well there's like desiccated bodies that are screaming that have been buried on the other side of the wall.

01:52:07 ◼   ► And then there's the snake that comes out of the skull. Why does that happen?

01:52:13 ◼   ► I can't get that image out of my mind.

01:52:15 ◼   ► It's meant to be spooky and scary, yeah.

01:52:19 ◼   ► But then pay no mind to that because even though this thing has been entombed for a

01:52:23 ◼   ► thousand or two thousand years, through that wall is where there's people buried and then

01:52:27 ◼   ► through that is like a window and you can just crawl out.

01:52:30 ◼   ► And somehow it's remained undiscovered all of this time.

01:52:34 ◼   ► But no time to think about that because it's going on a plane and we need to get to the

01:52:40 ◼   ► plane.

01:52:41 ◼   ► set piece where they try to hijack the plane and there's a big Nazi who's like a bare knuckle

01:52:48 ◼   ► boxer kind of guy, big bald Nazi who's trying to fight Indy while they're kind of like stuck

01:52:55 ◼   ► in the cockpit and there's a gas leak and an open flame and you know all of these things

01:53:02 ◼   ► are happening at once where there's a ticking countdown and there's a guy who's trying to

01:53:06 ◼   ► kill Indy and there's the spinning--

01:53:07 ◼   ► - Marion is mowing people down with a gun attached to the plane.

01:53:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, a lot going on there.

01:53:14 ◼   ► - And then more blood.

01:53:16 ◼   ► - And then the guy gets chopped up in the propeller blade,

01:53:20 ◼   ► which we don't see, but we see him go, "Ah!"

01:53:22 ◼   ► And then we see like,

01:53:23 ◼   ► - A bucket of blood.

01:53:25 ◼   ► - Sound effect, and there's like a stream of,

01:53:28 ◼   ► a splatter of blood.

01:53:30 ◼   ► - And of course when they're fighting,

01:53:31 ◼   ► there's blood all over them, right?

01:53:32 ◼   ► They're getting busted open.

01:53:33 ◼   ► - Sure, 'cause Andy's getting beat up,

01:53:35 ◼   ► which again is one of his charms is that he gets beat up.

01:53:38 ◼   ► He's not one of these heroes who's like,

01:53:41 ◼   ► "I'm okay, I fell out of a..."

01:53:43 ◼   ► Like in the Avengers,

01:53:44 ◼   ► "I fell out of a four story building, I'll walk it off."

01:53:47 ◼   ► Like Captain America says in that movie,

01:53:49 ◼   ► "If you die, walk it off."

01:53:50 ◼   ► - I like that line by the way.

01:53:51 ◼   ► - Indiana Jones just gets the crap beat out of him

01:53:55 ◼   ► and you feel bad 'cause you know it hurts.

01:53:57 ◼   ► He's not one of those people who,

01:53:58 ◼   ► even though yes, he does get up and he continues adventuring

01:54:01 ◼   ► you just get the sense that he is taking damage.

01:54:04 ◼   ► he is really unhappy with his predicament.

01:54:06 ◼   ► And I think that's charming.

01:54:07 ◼   ► I think that's one of the things people like about Indy.

01:54:09 ◼   ► - I just said he's not tough.

01:54:10 ◼   ► He is tough, right?

01:54:11 ◼   ► But he's not invincible.

01:54:12 ◼   ► He's a professor.

01:54:13 ◼   ► - Exactly.

01:54:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:54:15 ◼   ► And he's, I mean, and that's why we root for him

01:54:16 ◼   ► is that although he's tough,

01:54:18 ◼   ► he is getting the crap beat out of him

01:54:20 ◼   ► and reacting like we would, presumably,

01:54:23 ◼   ► or at least like a human being would

01:54:25 ◼   ► and being like really unhappy about it.

01:54:27 ◼   ► And later in the movie, there's that scene

01:54:29 ◼   ► where Karen Allen asks where it hurt or it doesn't hurt.

01:54:32 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:54:33 ◼   ► And he looked like his elbow and his forehead.

01:54:36 ◼   ► There's very few parts that don't hurt on Indiana Jones.

01:54:40 ◼   ► And his lips.

01:54:41 ◼   ► And his lips.

01:54:42 ◼   ► Well, that's his move.

01:54:43 ◼   ► That's his big move.

01:54:44 ◼   ► That was a good move.

01:54:46 ◼   ► There's also more blood.

01:54:51 ◼   ► I forgot one of my favorite lines.

01:54:52 ◼   ► Truck chase.

01:54:53 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a car chase.

01:54:54 ◼   ► One of my favorite lines in the movie.

01:54:55 ◼   ► I do not understand the delivery of this line, right?

01:55:00 ◼   ► And I won't be able to effectively deliver it, but I still find it funny.

01:55:03 ◼   ► So they get out of the plane or whatever and then, what's the guy's name?

01:55:08 ◼   ► They help her, what's his name?

01:55:10 ◼   ► Sala.

01:55:11 ◼   ► Sala.

01:55:12 ◼   ► So Sala finds Indy and Marion in a tent and he's like, "Oh, they're loading the Ark onto

01:55:17 ◼   ► a truck."

01:55:18 ◼   ► And he's like, "What truck?"

01:55:19 ◼   ► Like, "I don't know why."

01:55:20 ◼   ► What truck?

01:55:21 ◼   ► He like delivers it.

01:55:22 ◼   ► Like, "There's a truck here?"

01:55:24 ◼   ► Like it was very peculiar.

01:55:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:55:26 ◼   ► And he's like, "What truck?"

01:55:27 ◼   ► And I was like, "I've never seen a truck before."

01:55:29 ◼   ► It's very strange.

01:55:31 ◼   ► Again, that's one of those transition moments where what the movie's really doing is propelling

01:55:34 ◼   ► you to the next set piece.

01:55:35 ◼   ► So he's just like, "What truck?

01:55:37 ◼   ► I must find it."

01:55:39 ◼   ► And so then he does.

01:55:41 ◼   ► - Then there's a great car chase.

01:55:44 ◼   ► There is one moment in this where Indy is in the driver's seat of the truck, right?

01:55:49 ◼   ► He finds his way into the truck.

01:55:51 ◼   ► And again, more blood, right?

01:55:52 ◼   ► He gets shot and his arm gets shot, splatters of blood against the window.

01:55:56 ◼   ► Which again, you don't usually see that in movies.

01:55:59 ◼   ► They just get their arms shot.

01:56:00 ◼   ► "Ah, my arm is shot."

01:56:01 ◼   ► And you might see blood on the shirt,

01:56:02 ◼   ► but like splattered blood.

01:56:03 ◼   ► And then some of the craziest stunts

01:56:06 ◼   ► I have ever seen in a movie.

01:56:08 ◼   ► - I feel like even "Avengers 2" quotes this.

01:56:10 ◼   ► 'Cause there's a similar kind of thing

01:56:14 ◼   ► with a battle on a vehicle.

01:56:17 ◼   ► And Captain America keeps, he's on like on a truck.

01:56:19 ◼   ► And he's moving around 'cause Ultron is battling him.

01:56:23 ◼   ► And again, no spoilers here,

01:56:25 ◼   ► but I felt like that movie was even quoting

01:56:28 ◼   ► this same truck chase.

01:56:29 ◼   ► because yeah Indy goes out the window, he gets shot, he goes out the window, he loses

01:56:34 ◼   ► purchase on the hood ornament, it's Mercedes of course because it's German. He goes under

01:56:41 ◼   ► the truck with his whip and is dragged along well, I mean there's a whole documentary about

01:56:47 ◼   ► it but you know they had a stuntman who was kind of attached and so he's dragged along

01:56:51 ◼   ► underneath and he's got his whip and then he's being dragged behind and he pulls himself

01:56:55 ◼   ► back and then he gets into the truck that way and comes back and it's this whole, and

01:56:59 ◼   ► Meanwhile, they're like, then they're slamming against other trucks and the trucks are careering

01:57:04 ◼   ► off into like giant ravines that shouldn't be there because they're just out in the desert.

01:57:10 ◼   ► And yeah, the whole thing.

01:57:12 ◼   ► It's a great, it's a classic set piece, action truck chase thing where Indy is everywhere

01:57:18 ◼   ► in that truck before finally driving it away to the secret location that's been waiting

01:57:23 ◼   ► for him that is everybody is ready to be in the open air market.

01:57:28 ◼   ► And so they drive into the little thing and the doors close and then everybody's there

01:57:31 ◼   ► and the Nazis go, "What?

01:57:33 ◼   ► But where did it go?"

01:57:34 ◼   ► Yep.

01:57:35 ◼   ► Then they're loaded onto a ship.

01:57:37 ◼   ► Yes.

01:57:38 ◼   ► Which is where Marion and Indy finally get to rest.

01:57:40 ◼   ► And something I do not understand why this happens, and I wonder if you're going to know

01:57:46 ◼   ► where I'm going with this.

01:57:48 ◼   ► Marion is wearing a dress and Indy tells her it's nice and she looks in the mirror.

01:57:54 ◼   ► And she flips the mirror over and it hits Indy in the face and then it goes out to the

01:57:57 ◼   ► screams but there's a thunder it's a thunder at the same time so masks scream

01:58:02 ◼   ► and she's like what was that and he's like you say something I don't I don't

01:58:08 ◼   ► know why that happened I don't know why that I mean is it just I can see why

01:58:12 ◼   ► they did it right they're like oh he's so beaten up he can't catch a break he's

01:58:15 ◼   ► just getting hurt more but all of it was so weird yeah you know it's it's it's

01:58:20 ◼   ► kind of it's kind of wacky and of course he falls asleep this is their big

01:58:24 ◼   ► romantic moment, and he points out where she can kiss the parts that are not hurt, and

01:58:29 ◼   ► he points it at his lips and all that, and then he passes out because he's exhausted.

01:58:33 ◼   ► Then the Nazis find them in the worst submarine of all time. I'll come to why. That's my verdict

01:58:40 ◼   ► in a moment. They come aboard, they get the arc, which at this point has started to burn

01:58:45 ◼   ► out of the blocks, right? So you know there is evil magic in there, or something.

01:58:49 ◼   ► Or is it good magic because it burns the Nazi symbols off the box?

01:58:53 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that's a good point.

01:58:55 ◼   ► Yep, God hates the Nazis, we know this.

01:58:59 ◼   ► And then they take the box, they take Marion, Indy hides in the submarine and then swims

01:59:06 ◼   ► across the submarine and gets on the roof of the submarine.

01:59:09 ◼   ► The submarine, we then are treated to the submarine going across the globe, right, in

01:59:14 ◼   ► a little map, and it arrives at an island.

01:59:17 ◼   ► And Indy's still on the top of the submarine.

01:59:19 ◼   ► So either Indiana Jones can hold his breath for days,

01:59:23 ◼   ► or the submarine never submerged,

01:59:26 ◼   ► even though they used the periscope.

01:59:28 ◼   ► - This is one of the great, well,

01:59:29 ◼   ► and they say in their movie German,

01:59:31 ◼   ► 'cause it's the simplest, it's like high school German,

01:59:33 ◼   ► (speaking in German)

01:59:34 ◼   ► which is dive the U-boat.