The Accidental Tech Podcast

201: Volume Micromanager


00:00:00   the correct title for this episode is [TS]

00:00:02   John syracuse was wrong about something [TS]

00:00:03   you too you too love love love love just [TS]

00:00:09   listening and jumping on something you [TS]

00:00:12   think is wrong both at once was nothing [TS]

00:00:14   we think it's wrong and Israel all know [TS]

00:00:16   you think you think are you saying [TS]

00:00:18   there's only children that it takes me [TS]

00:00:20   10 minutes to explain what I actually [TS]

00:00:22   said but yeah it's a thing now you were [TS]

00:00:25   wrong [TS]

00:00:25   where's that window so many windows open [TS]

00:00:29   i can't find it [TS]

00:00:30   actually I have it's funny you say that [TS]

00:00:32   i have one two three four five six [TS]

00:00:35   different desktops running which is more [TS]

00:00:37   than I usually do and they're not in the [TS]

00:00:39   places i usually leave them which is my [TS]

00:00:41   own problem of my own creation [TS]

00:00:44   I have three what is its paces is the [TS]

00:00:47   official mac OS terminal virtual [TS]

00:00:49   desktops I three of them at you like a [TS]

00:00:52   maniac [TS]

00:00:53   it's and I probably 15 tabs open across [TS]

00:00:56   all my browser's this is ridiculous at [TS]

00:00:58   revenge on i-15 tabs across probably [TS]

00:01:02   more like I guess I can figure this out [TS]

00:01:03   how many browser windows three browser [TS]

00:01:05   windows not like maybe 15 tabs open made [TS]

00:01:08   my name or tabs open i do it's [TS]

00:01:10   unmanageable I tell you say what I i [TS]

00:01:13   listening listening back the windows [TS]

00:01:15   siracusa County last week during that is [TS]

00:01:17   so good so good i like a listening after [TS]

00:01:19   the after-show clip and paste and then [TS]

00:01:20   it just it holds up like it i mean Casey [TS]

00:01:24   and I sound like garbage we have [TS]

00:01:25   terrible microphones and like it we [TS]

00:01:27   recorded the bottle well like [TS]

00:01:29   everything's all echo we'd terrible John [TS]

00:01:31   has good microphone by then so he sounds [TS]

00:01:32   perfect of course because he sounds [TS]

00:01:34   frustrating but the most difficult to [TS]

00:01:35   use microphone of all of us and [TS]

00:01:37   naturally but if you if you get past the [TS]

00:01:39   other quality [TS]

00:01:40   oh my god that holds up so well it's [TS]

00:01:42   probably my favorite episode of ATP that [TS]

00:01:45   has ever happened [TS]

00:01:46   yeah that's so good you that the bed the [TS]

00:01:49   best part was its and I think it's kind [TS]

00:01:51   of like top gear at its finest [TS]

00:01:54   which was it was completely genuine like [TS]

00:01:58   genuinely we had no idea where this this [TS]

00:02:00   conversation was going and the two of us [TS]

00:02:03   like my recollection mar I've listened [TS]

00:02:05   to it outside of what you put in the [TS]

00:02:06   show the the two of us mark and I were [TS]

00:02:09   just completely stupefied dumbfounded [TS]

00:02:13   flabbergasted that this was what that [TS]

00:02:15   what was unfolding in front of us was [TS]

00:02:18   real life like I could not believe John [TS]

00:02:21   and still can't that you feel like that [TS]

00:02:24   was an acceptable way to manage your [TS]

00:02:25   windows and browsers and tabs and when [TS]

00:02:27   did you realize that it's only a matter [TS]

00:02:29   of time before both of you eventually [TS]

00:02:31   adopt that the the quantities so [TS]

00:02:35   ludicrously disgusting i can't believe [TS]

00:02:38   these numbers are so big it's blowing my [TS]

00:02:40   mind it's only a matter of time before I [TS]

00:02:42   mean you're getting close already you're [TS]

00:02:43   making jokes about 15 times i mean i [TS]

00:02:45   don't how many times do I have any open [TS]

00:02:47   chrome right now i have two chromosomes [TS]

00:02:49   open with 123456 I 1212 tabs to Windows [TS]

00:02:53   six times each [TS]

00:02:54   honestly I I be I'd be surprised if both [TS]

00:02:58   the mac and the web last long enough for [TS]

00:03:01   us to get to that point here we go [TS]

00:03:03   there's the Marco we know and love [TS]

00:03:06   welcome back one of those gonna let me [TS]

00:03:08   come on like what are the chances really [TS]

00:03:10   let's be realistically tabs will live [TS]

00:03:12   forever hopefully not in multiple rows [TS]

00:03:14   windows style because that was [TS]

00:03:16   ridiculous [TS]

00:03:17   yeah tap will tablet for every do you [TS]

00:03:19   think there's a few honest honest [TS]

00:03:20   question do so everyone everyone around [TS]

00:03:22   this this part of the commenters fear [TS]

00:03:24   seems to have some idea of what the [TS]

00:03:26   future of computing is like the future [TS]

00:03:29   of computing so far does not seem to [TS]

00:03:31   contain tabs much if at all [TS]

00:03:34   what do you think about that sure it [TS]

00:03:35   does there are there in safari on the [TS]

00:03:37   ipad so they're they're safe for the [TS]

00:03:38   future but i really want to put a pin in [TS]

00:03:40   the comments fear thing [TS]

00:03:42   pin pin that fatally wound that word and [TS]

00:03:46   then die and never escape from where it [TS]

00:03:48   is pinned down [TS]

00:03:49   would you rather I started a blog John [TS]

00:03:51   is that is a better lock [TS]

00:03:53   I just feel like that you need to like [TS]

00:03:55   you didn't you don't need to go to [TS]

00:03:57   comment 0 sphere you could fix something [TS]

00:04:01   anything else blogosphere that's just as [TS]

00:04:04   bad [TS]

00:04:04   no no it's a blogosphere is better it's [TS]

00:04:07   the weather gets better but it will [TS]

00:04:09   honestly though so like so you know you [TS]

00:04:10   mentioned like okay there's there's [TS]

00:04:12   obviously tabs in web browsers even on [TS]

00:04:14   on iPads and stuff [TS]

00:04:16   well how much of computing these days is [TS]

00:04:18   happening in web browsers and how much [TS]

00:04:21   of the web browser part of it is [TS]

00:04:23   happening on mobile which is where the [TS]

00:04:26   future apparently [TS]

00:04:27   yes like the future like if I'm using [TS]

00:04:29   the amazon app I can't do crap with tabs [TS]

00:04:32   i can't do anything if I'm using some [TS]

00:04:33   other application if i'm working in a [TS]

00:04:35   nap [TS]

00:04:36   it's up to each individual after support [TS]

00:04:38   tab like there is there was this this [TS]

00:04:39   relatively brief span in Computer [TS]

00:04:42   History where we did a whole bunch of [TS]

00:04:44   stuff and pc based web browsers so there [TS]

00:04:47   was this time that I think is is pretty [TS]

00:04:49   clearly fading where we could have the [TS]

00:04:54   amount of ridiculous tabs that John had [TS]

00:04:56   and we could have all this stuff open [TS]

00:04:57   and different you know everything was a [TS]

00:05:00   URL and we can have multiple windows to [TS]

00:05:01   everything we did because everything was [TS]

00:05:03   basically a web app that time is clearly [TS]

00:05:06   fading away and moving towards and very [TS]

00:05:08   much already in this other thing with [TS]

00:05:11   custom apps for almost everything most [TS]

00:05:13   of them on phones and then that error in [TS]

00:05:15   that era in the current paradigm that we [TS]

00:05:18   have here i don't actually think that [TS]

00:05:20   we're going to get to a point where the [TS]

00:05:22   type of keeping all this stuff open that [TS]

00:05:25   type of multitasking is really not going [TS]

00:05:28   to be possible in this world for the [TS]

00:05:30   foreseeable future [TS]

00:05:31   people love tabs you can stop tabs they [TS]

00:05:34   might not be on web browsers they might [TS]

00:05:35   be on the future of mobile facebook app [TS]

00:05:37   that will have tabs but people love taps [TS]

00:05:39   until something comes to replace tabs [TS]

00:05:42   tabs will be that doesn't mean that [TS]

00:05:44   they're tabs have to be what they are on [TS]

00:05:46   PCs today which is like the document [TS]

00:05:48   model but instead of multiple windows [TS]

00:05:49   you have a single window with multiple [TS]

00:05:51   tabs and they're interchangeable and [TS]

00:05:52   that doesn't mean they have to be that [TS]

00:05:54   I'm just talking about like tabs like [TS]

00:05:55   little things that when you hit them [TS]

00:05:58   switch it i mean you can just call the [TS]

00:05:59   segmented control and extend that counts [TS]

00:06:02   tabs too because actually used to be [TS]

00:06:03   tabs back on the you guys never use [TS]

00:06:05   Mac's back on those are actual tabs [TS]

00:06:06   right I no no I remember when they were [TS]

00:06:09   tabs [TS]

00:06:09   yes I'm saying but I guess it's like you [TS]

00:06:11   go to like system permits is now go [TS]

00:06:13   what is it called Marco do you don't [TS]

00:06:14   know the segment on your Mac programs [TS]

00:06:16   you have a segment of control used to be [TS]

00:06:18   tabs used to be rendered as tabs and [TS]

00:06:20   they changed it to this big long capsule [TS]

00:06:22   huh somewhere around 10.1 points3 10.4 [TS]

00:06:26   figure when they switched it weird go [TS]

00:06:29   find that they were big shiny glossy [TS]

00:06:31   aqua tabs they're like that the the aqua [TS]

00:06:35   mist tabs you have everything that you [TS]

00:06:37   know would be really cool if there was [TS]

00:06:39   some sort of resource that [TS]

00:06:40   existed that we could go to see lots of [TS]

00:06:42   screenshots and intense discussion about [TS]

00:06:44   old versions of Mac OS excuse me os10 [TS]

00:06:47   man that would be awesome wouldn't know [TS]

00:06:51   but honestly I i really do wonder how [TS]

00:06:54   this that the way that we like to work [TS]

00:06:56   with all that with tons of Windows and [TS]

00:06:58   tabs and of course on take it to a whole [TS]

00:07:00   other level [TS]

00:07:00   like is there room in what we know today [TS]

00:07:04   as as the iOS animal paradigm and what [TS]

00:07:07   everyone says the future of computing [TS]

00:07:09   and what Apple seems to be print be you [TS]

00:07:13   know not only saying is the future but [TS]

00:07:15   also like allocating resources in order [TS]

00:07:17   to basically force it to be our only [TS]

00:07:18   choice for the future is there room in [TS]

00:07:22   that for a lot of power users i don't [TS]

00:07:27   know i think that tabs are the easiest [TS]

00:07:30   way to punt on like having multiple [TS]

00:07:34   things open at once you know you don't [TS]

00:07:36   need to do a full-on windowing system [TS]

00:07:37   you just have a little tab control at [TS]

00:07:40   the top of the bottom and I mean think [TS]

00:07:42   about you I tab are in iOS I mean that's [TS]

00:07:44   those are still tabs strictly speaking [TS]

00:07:45   well no that's like that's different [TS]

00:07:47   like tabs the way we're talking about [TS]

00:07:49   are like are not the way a segment [TS]

00:07:52   controller at a bar would would like [TS]

00:07:53   separate different functions of the same [TS]

00:07:55   app that's just how you arranged like [TS]

00:07:57   one windows interface i'm talking about [TS]

00:07:59   the way but like what browser tabs are [TS]

00:08:01   and then what Ciara introduced as I kind [TS]

00:08:02   of for any document based app we're like [TS]

00:08:04   you can basically spawn as many tabs you [TS]

00:08:07   want each one is like an independent [TS]

00:08:09   document or window for that application [TS]

00:08:11   and the problems in iOS apps are not [TS]

00:08:14   designed to have multiple windows at all [TS]

00:08:16   so you can't even simulate this easily [TS]

00:08:18   for all apps like basically all at have [TS]

00:08:21   to be rewritten to support multiple [TS]

00:08:23   windows and iOS not to mention whatever [TS]

00:08:25   kind of complexity the the iOS UI itself [TS]

00:08:29   would have to add two people to manage [TS]

00:08:31   their windows which i'm sure would not [TS]

00:08:34   be good enough for John so you know I [TS]

00:08:36   wonder like it is our is the idea of [TS]

00:08:40   having all these things open a relic of [TS]

00:08:42   the past that's going to die with the [TS]

00:08:44   mac which might be sooner rather than [TS]

00:08:45   later [TS]

00:08:46   yeah I don't want to be clear I was [TS]

00:08:48   actually just talking about them as [TS]

00:08:49   again not as like browser tabs or [TS]

00:08:52   separate areas but it's just the plane [TS]

00:08:53   on you I can [TS]

00:08:53   troll so the iOS ones would count as in [TS]

00:08:56   a horizontal strip that has a bunch of [TS]

00:08:58   things in it and when you hit one of the [TS]

00:08:59   things a larger area above or below it [TS]

00:09:01   changes to reflect the thing that you [TS]

00:09:03   hit only one of them can be selected to [TS]

00:09:04   the time that's totally what i was [TS]

00:09:06   talking about you're talking about [TS]

00:09:07   specifically the idea that it's [TS]

00:09:08   user-controlled arbitrary in which case [TS]

00:09:10   like a tab bar wouldn't count that's a [TS]

00:09:12   different thing I understand people like [TS]

00:09:14   people like the idea of a strip where [TS]

00:09:18   you can hit a thing and it's always [TS]

00:09:19   visible the radio buttons basically you [TS]

00:09:21   can only pick one of them only one can [TS]

00:09:22   be active at once and when you pick it [TS]

00:09:24   the whole rest of some large area [TS]

00:09:26   changes to reflect the thing that you [TS]

00:09:27   picked tabs people of them i pasted a [TS]

00:09:32   bunch of ones in there it's it i think i [TS]

00:09:34   got about ten tend to pinstripes Justin [TS]

00:09:37   10-3 look at those those tabs that are [TS]

00:09:39   those not the tabs tabs that same [TS]

00:09:41   control yeah change they change the [TS]

00:09:43   appearance in I think 10 5 ish i haven't [TS]

00:09:45   gotten up to that to look like segmented [TS]

00:09:47   control it was like your same code all [TS]

00:09:49   of a sudden would go from that to what [TS]

00:09:51   you see today more or less with the [TS]

00:09:53   segmented controls because it isn't it [TS]

00:09:54   isn't just the the bar of words the top [TS]

00:09:58   is it the whole frame there that makes [TS]

00:10:00   it the whole card thing around it it's [TS]

00:10:03   it's exactly the same as the segment to [TS]

00:10:05   controlling so if you look at this look [TS]

00:10:06   at one of these things and then just go [TS]

00:10:07   to like system performance today it [TS]

00:10:09   would you if you just took this code and [TS]

00:10:11   were able to run it today it would look [TS]

00:10:12   like it doesn't like the little recessed [TS]

00:10:14   well i think i had a graphic because the [TS]

00:10:16   cool thing was like they would change [TS]

00:10:17   the original implementation they would [TS]

00:10:19   change the texture of the well-liked the [TS]

00:10:21   inset period ii-era inset area to be [TS]

00:10:24   darker so if you nested a bunch of them [TS]

00:10:26   just get darker and darker and darker [TS]

00:10:27   and darker was fun [TS]

00:10:28   the windows did that to ya all the [TS]

00:10:31   windows tinted windows to the double row [TS]

00:10:33   of tabs which was just about nobody [TS]

00:10:35   windows windows had I believe they call [TS]

00:10:37   it frames but it was like it was the [TS]

00:10:40   similar kind of thing we'd have the [TS]

00:10:42   inset area with a label or tab row at [TS]

00:10:45   the top but of course windows did it [TS]

00:10:47   uglier but more affordably you know that [TS]

00:10:51   reminds me and I'll use this to segue [TS]

00:10:53   into follow-up we had a handful of [TS]

00:10:55   people write in and say that they are [TS]

00:10:57   Microsoft employees that listen to the [TS]

00:10:59   show and roof [TS]

00:11:01   I'm sorry turns out there are some not [TS]

00:11:02   yet not sort of your Microsoft employee [TS]

00:11:05   I'm just sorry that well for me [TS]

00:11:07   see anything we've ever said about [TS]

00:11:08   anything microsoft product except [TS]

00:11:09   apparently the surface sure we said we [TS]

00:11:11   say nice things but Microsoft products [TS]

00:11:13   all the time [TS]

00:11:13   yeah and I understand from from what I [TS]

00:11:15   hear from people who work there or have [TS]

00:11:17   worked there [TS]

00:11:18   it actually sounds like a pretty good [TS]

00:11:19   place to work is that right [TS]

00:11:21   we know that yeah I've always a Bible [TS]

00:11:23   I've only ever heard good things about [TS]

00:11:25   the the microsoft work environment and [TS]

00:11:28   just like the kind of place at a store [TS]

00:11:29   the you never have micro surface or [TS]

00:11:31   learn about stack ranking and stuff like [TS]

00:11:33   that bad things that I cannot believe me [TS]

00:11:35   but when they're being right there being [TS]

00:11:37   a really nice office [TS]

00:11:38   mmm goodness in any case so i just [TS]

00:11:43   wanted to thank those of you who have [TS]

00:11:45   written in that are Microsoft employees [TS]

00:11:46   and they all were quick to point out [TS]

00:11:48   that they were not in the surface Studio [TS]

00:11:50   group and they didn't know anyone from [TS]

00:11:51   the surface Studio group which is [TS]

00:11:52   unfortunate however it was still nice [TS]

00:11:55   them to write in so thank you for that [TS]

00:11:56   secondly John's extraordinarily nerdy [TS]

00:12:00   and fiddly wish for a battery burndown [TS]

00:12:03   chart guess where it exists kids but it [TS]

00:12:06   exists an android because why wouldn't [TS]

00:12:07   it [TS]

00:12:08   so I did I didn't know what a burndown [TS]

00:12:10   chart was as you correctly predicted [TS]

00:12:12   during the show but i did of course find [TS]

00:12:14   that afterwards for other people talking [TS]

00:12:15   standard hasn't shown us what they look [TS]

00:12:16   like and yeah actually pretty useful I [TS]

00:12:18   would love the head and and I think now [TS]

00:12:20   the the doors open for people to make [TS]

00:12:24   that for the mac as a little battery [TS]

00:12:26   widget for the menu bar honestly [TS]

00:12:28   probably already existing copies don't [TS]

00:12:29   know about it but that would be a I [TS]

00:12:32   believe the market for that on the mac [TS]

00:12:33   is now very real and i hope that either [TS]

00:12:36   it already exists and it's good for [TS]

00:12:38   somebody makes a good one [TS]

00:12:39   yeah so there's that Mario run is now a [TS]

00:12:43   thing it's out i personally have yet to [TS]

00:12:46   try it [TS]

00:12:46   I've been extremely busy but it'sit's [TS]

00:12:49   out it's a thing and if you're John [TS]

00:12:51   turkey sits maryo run so John how do you [TS]

00:12:54   like Mariano run that's what i thought [TS]

00:12:57   it would be i mean we've all seen the [TS]

00:12:58   videos that plays like it plays it's [TS]

00:13:00   fine you know the online thing is [TS]

00:13:02   annoying the the UI that they put in [TS]

00:13:04   there is is weird the first one [TS]

00:13:07   experiences creddie but as I said last [TS]

00:13:11   week like they get the first one for [TS]

00:13:13   free because there's so much pent-up [TS]

00:13:14   demand for nintendo game on iOS [TS]

00:13:18   and it's a popular property and so I the [TS]

00:13:20   first thing that you're just like oh [TS]

00:13:22   it's been downloaded 2.8 million times [TS]

00:13:24   the first day and then we have updated [TS]

00:13:25   numbers 40 million times in the first [TS]

00:13:28   four days and phil schiller made a [TS]

00:13:32   statement in 10 domain statement feels [TS]

00:13:34   is the fastest selling fast fastest [TS]

00:13:38   downloaded game not fastest selling [TS]

00:13:39   fastest downloaded game ever and then [TS]

00:13:43   these various companies try to estimate [TS]

00:13:44   how many people are actually buying it [TS]

00:13:46   based on the top charts and all those [TS]

00:13:47   stuff guessing that maybe four percent [TS]

00:13:52   of the people who downloaded actually [TS]

00:13:53   paid for its astronomical ten dollar [TS]

00:13:56   price and so that means made like 16 [TS]

00:13:58   million dollars which is you know pretty [TS]

00:14:00   darn good [TS]

00:14:00   yeah gonna see that money and then I [TS]

00:14:02   don't know if it is already made back [TS]

00:14:04   the amount of money it costs to develop [TS]

00:14:06   it considering the use of third-party [TS]

00:14:07   engine forward and had another developer [TS]

00:14:10   i think help them actually do the dev [TS]

00:14:12   work [TS]

00:14:14   yeah so it's going well uh I their [TS]

00:14:18   second game that they release i guess [TS]

00:14:20   that probably still do okay on second it [TS]

00:14:22   will be different property or whatever [TS]

00:14:23   but uh I was a lot of people are sending [TS]

00:14:26   feedback saying are saying you reviews [TS]

00:14:29   that are saying that this shows the [TS]

00:14:30   Nintendo or whoever helped them develop [TS]

00:14:33   this game really understands the mobile [TS]

00:14:36   platform because it's a great mobile [TS]

00:14:37   game and it's good it's fine it's a good [TS]

00:14:39   mobile game but I still feel like it is [TS]

00:14:41   taking an existing game the 2d marrow [TS]

00:14:45   game you're running from laughter with [TS]

00:14:46   merry gentlemen stuff taking that and [TS]

00:14:49   finding a way to make it work on mobile [TS]

00:14:51   which is different than starting from [TS]

00:14:53   scratch and finding a good mobile game [TS]

00:14:56   idea and it's different subtle ways like [TS]

00:15:00   I keep comparing it out those adventures [TS]

00:15:02   like isn't exactly the same thing you [TS]

00:15:04   just go from left to right any person [TS]

00:15:06   button to do some stuff i would argue [TS]

00:15:09   that it is not quite the same thing as [TS]

00:15:11   altos adventure is not an established [TS]

00:15:14   franchise skiing platform reported to [TS]

00:15:18   single button press think it's conceived [TS]

00:15:20   from the beginning to be a game for [TS]

00:15:23   mobile I find it more pleasing than [TS]

00:15:25   America game a partially because when I [TS]

00:15:28   see him running [TS]

00:15:30   from left to right I have certain [TS]

00:15:32   expectations of gameplay and realizing [TS]

00:15:34   that they had to subvert that and find a [TS]

00:15:37   way and to their credit they did but [TS]

00:15:39   find a way to make it interesting novel [TS]

00:15:41   and fun while taking away freedoms that [TS]

00:15:45   you expect when you see a static [TS]

00:15:47   screenshot i expect to be able to stop [TS]

00:15:49   and run left and i expect to run into [TS]

00:15:52   going behind I instead of automatically [TS]

00:15:54   vaulting over him like changing his [TS]

00:15:56   expectations like you're getting a lot [TS]

00:15:57   of pressure isn't that clever they did [TS]

00:15:59   chose just the right balance of things [TS]

00:16:01   to make the game different and fun or [TS]

00:16:03   whatever was like but you are taking a [TS]

00:16:05   different kind of gaming dressing it up [TS]

00:16:07   and cause playing it as a merry game and [TS]

00:16:10   I think it's a good game and people [TS]

00:16:12   should probably get it's well worth the [TS]

00:16:14   ten dollars you pay for it but it is i'm [TS]

00:16:17   not saying this to say it's not a good [TS]

00:16:19   game and you shouldn't buy but I think [TS]

00:16:21   nintendo has not yet made a game [TS]

00:16:25   conceived for the the mobile platform [TS]

00:16:29   like every five had their mascots and [TS]

00:16:31   everything but just like don't in the [TS]

00:16:33   same way that Mary play soccer [TS]

00:16:34   he plays baseball players I don't forget [TS]

00:16:36   everything every sport he plays he [TS]

00:16:37   drives around in go-karts and stuff and [TS]

00:16:40   the same way you can take that property [TS]

00:16:41   and put it on a different genre I they [TS]

00:16:44   have not yet taken that property and put [TS]

00:16:47   it on a jean room or a style of game [TS]

00:16:49   made for mobile force instead they have [TS]

00:16:51   taken an existing game style which is [TS]

00:16:54   the 2d platformer and modified it to [TS]

00:16:57   work better in this environment that I [TS]

00:16:59   find the and I don't think that's a [TS]

00:17:01   sustainable business for that it's just [TS]

00:17:04   a way to get people into larger [TS]

00:17:05   franchises that's fine but I'm still [TS]

00:17:07   looking forward to the day where they [TS]

00:17:08   come up with a game concept and idea [TS]

00:17:13   that is for mobile first and truly plays [TS]

00:17:17   to the strength of that platform in the [TS]

00:17:18   way the pokemon go did basically but you [TS]

00:17:21   know not not that specific franchise [TS]

00:17:24   like we're very Merry whatever and then [TS]

00:17:26   put whatever IP on that you want call it [TS]

00:17:27   metroid pinball I don't care whatever [TS]

00:17:29   you know whatever graphics you have to [TS]

00:17:31   put on to make it palatable make people [TS]

00:17:32   buy fine but they are quite there yet so [TS]

00:17:34   ice continue to view this as then [TS]

00:17:37   dipping their toes and making some money [TS]

00:17:38   making some mistakes by making an [TS]

00:17:41   online-only and doing silly things on [TS]

00:17:43   first launched like [TS]

00:17:43   can people pick their country from [TS]

00:17:44   really long list instead of using [TS]

00:17:47   location services and so on so forth but [TS]

00:17:49   if you know but this is only a way to [TS]

00:17:52   get people onto their other platforms [TS]

00:17:56   which by the way even though these [TS]

00:17:58   numbers look big [TS]

00:17:59   they still make more money selling one [TS]

00:18:00   of their other games on their own [TS]

00:18:01   platforms because every single person [TS]

00:18:03   who buys one of those games pay sport [TS]

00:18:05   whereas 40 million downloads those are [TS]

00:18:07   all paying ten dollars for things so [TS]

00:18:09   right now still looks like a hedge and [TS]

00:18:13   if they're going to commit to it will be [TS]

00:18:15   able to tell when they start getting [TS]

00:18:17   serious about the game's development for [TS]

00:18:19   these platforms right now students it [TS]

00:18:21   still seems like they're going for the [TS]

00:18:22   switch and so we'll see how that turns [TS]

00:18:24   out for them tomorrow if you play this [TS]

00:18:26   at all [TS]

00:18:27   of course I have it's my job to stay [TS]

00:18:29   current on the world of video games [TS]

00:18:32   so that's a no no I don't see how I and [TS]

00:18:34   I honestly have enjoyed this game it is [TS]

00:18:36   currently on my home screen I don't know [TS]

00:18:38   how long it will stay there but it is [TS]

00:18:39   currently there and I i used as a fun [TS]

00:18:41   diversion [TS]

00:18:43   I think they did overall a really good [TS]

00:18:45   job with it there are areas of it that [TS]

00:18:48   drive me nuts [TS]

00:18:49   the internet connection thing hasn't [TS]

00:18:50   hasn't hit me yet because i don't have a [TS]

00:18:52   real job anymore but it will hit me next [TS]

00:18:55   week when i'm traveling it and when i'm [TS]

00:18:58   in areas with poor reception i will [TS]

00:19:01   definitely hit me then but overall it's [TS]

00:19:04   a really fun game i really enjoy I I [TS]

00:19:06   like like what I'm doing is rather than [TS]

00:19:09   just blowing through all the levels [TS]

00:19:11   I'm I'm not moving on until I've gotten [TS]

00:19:14   at least the first two coin colors the [TS]

00:19:16   pink and the purple in each level and [TS]

00:19:19   that and so like it what I like about [TS]

00:19:21   this game is that while i'm probably [TS]

00:19:24   playing it wrong by whatever john would [TS]

00:19:26   say I'm supposed to play it [TS]

00:19:28   I this game allows you to play it kinda [TS]

00:19:30   however you want you can go through [TS]

00:19:32   everything you can do like I haven't I [TS]

00:19:33   haven't even done towards racetrack or [TS]

00:19:36   whatever that is I haven't built [TS]

00:19:37   anything I haven't read any of the [TS]

00:19:39   various currencies have been earning or [TS]

00:19:41   whatever all I've been doing is playing [TS]

00:19:43   the levels to get the coins that's it [TS]

00:19:45   and I've currently gotten through only [TS]

00:19:47   world one doing it this way I haven't [TS]

00:19:50   even gotten to the second row yet [TS]

00:19:51   because I'm not very good at video games [TS]

00:19:53   turns out but it's fun and I like this [TS]

00:19:56   that this [TS]

00:19:57   you that I I don't like how much [TS]

00:19:59   overhead there is like in waiting for [TS]

00:20:01   menus and stuff and waiting for loading [TS]

00:20:03   screens [TS]

00:20:04   I'm not crazy about that there's like to [TS]

00:20:06   me like an iOS game like this is [TS]

00:20:07   something that you should be able to [TS]

00:20:08   play while waiting on line for something [TS]

00:20:11   quickly and and it they they have [TS]

00:20:13   there's a lot of friction involved in [TS]

00:20:15   like getting started with this game and [TS]

00:20:17   that's I don't know if nintendo is [TS]

00:20:19   incapable of not doing it that way or [TS]

00:20:20   they just think it's the right thing to [TS]

00:20:22   do I don't know [TS]

00:20:23   anyway I just like it's fun i I'm not [TS]

00:20:26   analyzing it too deeply I'm just having [TS]

00:20:28   fun with it because I'm I've always been [TS]

00:20:30   more of a casual Nintendo fan I'm not [TS]

00:20:32   like a super diehard Nintendo fan or a [TS]

00:20:34   die-hard gamer for that matter so I'm [TS]

00:20:37   having fun with its nice i bought the [TS]

00:20:38   unlock I'm not going to give it one star [TS]

00:20:40   review and that's it that's why I'm [TS]

00:20:42   having fun with it and that phenomenon [TS]

00:20:44   was the other story about this the fact [TS]

00:20:46   that nintendo released what I think [TS]

00:20:48   anyone would have to say is a really [TS]

00:20:49   good iOS game like despite whatever you [TS]

00:20:51   know stumbles and and the first launch [TS]

00:20:53   party like it's a good game it's a fun [TS]

00:20:55   game people enjoy playing it and the [TS]

00:20:56   reviews are being massacred by people [TS]

00:20:59   who don't want to pay money mostly by [TS]

00:21:00   people who say this game is so fun [TS]

00:21:03   it's so mean of you to ask me for money [TS]

00:21:05   for it why couldn't you give me this [TS]

00:21:07   game that's why i love this game isn't [TS]

00:21:09   my loving this game enough for me to get [TS]

00:21:10   it for free [TS]

00:21:11   huge number of reviews say not worth ten [TS]

00:21:15   dollars all of the people who like i [TS]

00:21:16   would pay seven but not tense i come on [TS]

00:21:20   anyway welcome to the appstore that [TS]

00:21:22   there's so many things wrong with the [TS]

00:21:23   app star and verbena I always wonder who [TS]

00:21:26   read those reviews hoping to find out [TS]

00:21:29   you know the in many ways this game is [TS]

00:21:30   review proof because once if people are [TS]

00:21:33   actually able to confirm that it is [TS]

00:21:35   actually a Nintendo game and not a scam [TS]

00:21:37   which is a topic that we keep pushing [TS]

00:21:38   out on the shots might be able to get to [TS]

00:21:39   and a future show if they're able to [TS]

00:21:42   make that determination [TS]

00:21:43   no one's reading the reviews say this is [TS]

00:21:45   the one and only mario game on the app [TS]

00:21:46   store let me read reviews first on the [TS]

00:21:49   reviews on the app store maybe people we [TS]

00:21:51   read reviews on their favorite like tech [TS]

00:21:53   site they really care but people know [TS]

00:21:54   whether they want to marry Oh game [TS]

00:21:56   especially since it's free to download [TS]

00:21:57   just get it [TS]

00:21:58   the only people who are taking to the [TS]

00:22:00   review section after you know I want to [TS]

00:22:03   play this game but I can't spend ten do [TS]

00:22:06   I have to think most of those people are [TS]

00:22:08   younger people [TS]

00:22:11   children who literally don't have ten [TS]

00:22:14   dollars to spend are no I just can't [TS]

00:22:16   imagine someone getting angry about ten [TS]

00:22:17   dollars for nintendo and taking to the [TS]

00:22:20   reviews about being angry and are not [TS]

00:22:22   sign on to buy 50 John haha you you have [TS]

00:22:24   never had an app in the App Store III [TS]

00:22:27   for nintendo games specifically i'm [TS]

00:22:29   thinking because you don't know it [TS]

00:22:30   doesn't matter i don't think it matters [TS]

00:22:31   it doesn't matter at all someone who [TS]

00:22:33   isn't someone who's angry about their [TS]

00:22:34   note-taking app or whatever i can [TS]

00:22:36   understand them going to it because [TS]

00:22:37   those are adults but these have to be [TS]

00:22:39   children John when when you tell me what [TS]

00:22:41   it's like to have a real job [TS]

00:22:42   this is I'm telling you what it's like [TS]

00:22:44   to have Anthony and just put your never [TS]

00:22:46   could never put a Nintendo game on the [TS]

00:22:48   app so obviously if you're creating it [TS]

00:22:49   an app for adult it doesn't matter Jon [TS]

00:22:52   that's the thing it doesn't matter how [TS]

00:22:54   many people who how many of those ok so [TS]

00:22:56   first of all they had was 40 million [TS]

00:22:58   downloads so it doesn't take a lot of a [TS]

00:23:00   high percentage of those to result in [TS]

00:23:02   tons of reviews right so that that's why [TS]

00:23:04   i think most of those one-star reviews [TS]

00:23:06   complaining about the price are young [TS]

00:23:08   people are children because it doesn't [TS]

00:23:10   take a lot of them to you know to do the [TS]

00:23:12   top 50 reviews is 40 million people 5750 [TS]

00:23:16   cranky children you know who who spends [TS]

00:23:18   the time to write a review for a [TS]

00:23:22   Nintendo game like again its review [TS]

00:23:25   proof is like a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:23:27   I don't understand why you're hanging [TS]

00:23:28   your hat why are you hanging your head [TS]

00:23:30   on nintendo nobody gives a crap that [TS]

00:23:31   it's nintendo finger all they care about [TS]

00:23:33   is that it's a game that they want to [TS]

00:23:35   play but they have to pay for their [TS]

00:23:36   pissed off but but no but adults [TS]

00:23:38   understand that no one is going to look [TS]

00:23:40   at reviews for nintendo oh noes 0 [TS]

00:23:42   they really don't know trust me they [TS]

00:23:45   don't if you are if you heard adults who [TS]

00:23:47   left an angry review about ten dollar [TS]

00:23:49   game about this specific ten-dollar game [TS]

00:23:51   plays right into us and tell us why you [TS]

00:23:53   think it was a good idea for you to [TS]

00:23:54   spend he's been writing a review for [TS]

00:23:55   nintendo game for the one and only the [TS]

00:23:57   first John nintendo game you don't you [TS]

00:24:00   are and you are getting clouded by your [TS]

00:24:02   own love nintendo there you are so out [TS]

00:24:04   of touch on this one and your own faith [TS]

00:24:06   in adults apparently it's not it's not [TS]

00:24:07   about love nintendo it's about the idea [TS]

00:24:09   i can't imagine it in adult wasting the [TS]

00:24:12   time for to write an angry review about [TS]

00:24:15   the one and only [TS]

00:24:16   game on the app store just god you're [TS]

00:24:18   gonna hate it feel free to not spend ten [TS]

00:24:19   dollars on it that there are a lot of [TS]

00:24:21   angry naive children of all ages [TS]

00:24:23   yeah but i know i agree with that but I [TS]

00:24:26   feel like those people are writing angry [TS]

00:24:28   reviews about a two dollar note taking [TS]

00:24:29   app they're not writing reviews about a [TS]

00:24:31   ten-dollar Meyer again they very much [TS]

00:24:33   are all you are so wrong job so little [TS]

00:24:36   small so you don't know that because [TS]

00:24:37   it's not ages attach this thing and [TS]

00:24:38   neither one of you have written and the [TS]

00:24:40   one and only nintendo game of the app [TS]

00:24:41   store so I'm not arguing whether that [TS]

00:24:43   were there are adults ending angry [TS]

00:24:45   reviews about note-taking apps of course [TS]

00:24:46   there are you can tell that they're [TS]

00:24:48   adults running reviews about to open up [TS]

00:24:49   taking app I know they're out there but [TS]

00:24:51   for the nintendo game I feel like it's [TS]

00:24:53   got to be young people it doesn't matter [TS]

00:24:55   Jon it doesn't matter if it's a Nintendo [TS]

00:24:57   or Vesper or your mom or 123 note-taker [TS]

00:25:01   it doesn't matter the fact of the matter [TS]

00:25:03   is it's ten dollars they don't want to [TS]

00:25:04   spend so let me give you an example [TS]

00:25:06   just today I was a target and I realized [TS]

00:25:09   that captain america civil wars out and [TS]

00:25:11   whether or not you [TS]

00:25:13   the collective you liked that movie I [TS]

00:25:14   enjoyed it and I wanted to buy it on [TS]

00:25:16   blu-ray [TS]

00:25:16   it was $15 so it was fifteen dollars for [TS]

00:25:19   me to legally purchase a movie think [TS]

00:25:22   about the incredible hoops adults go [TS]

00:25:26   through adults who make over a hundred [TS]

00:25:28   thousand dollars a year go through in [TS]

00:25:30   order to rip off a fifteen-dollar [TS]

00:25:33   blu-ray think of the think of all the [TS]

00:25:35   trucks that they look in to see if the [TS]

00:25:37   if the back is falling if the back has [TS]

00:25:39   come off of them to say fifteen dollars [TS]

00:25:41   on a movie and you think that they're [TS]

00:25:43   going to say oh well this is Nintendo [TS]

00:25:45   there okay [TS]

00:25:47   they get a bye hell no you're [TS]

00:25:49   misunderstanding what I'm saying those [TS]

00:25:50   people you are not writing angry reviews [TS]

00:25:52   they're not going to bestbuy and going [TS]

00:25:55   to the bottom of the best buy store [TS]

00:25:56   section where you by Civil War and [TS]

00:25:58   saying this movie isn't worth fifteen [TS]

00:26:00   dollars i would maybe pay ten dollars [TS]

00:26:01   for fifteen dollars to watch one star [TS]

00:26:03   have you see the Amazon reviews are [TS]

00:26:06   coming here there's a lot of people out [TS]

00:26:07   there who will who will complain about [TS]

00:26:09   any other not there just because they're [TS]

00:26:12   just going to go get the movie another [TS]

00:26:13   way and it's not because they're they're [TS]

00:26:15   laying off because Nintendo it's because [TS]

00:26:17   they realize that nothing they can say [TS]

00:26:19   in the comments section of a Nintendo [TS]

00:26:21   game has any relevance to anybody no one [TS]

00:26:23   is reading the comments section to [TS]

00:26:24   decide whether they want to marry a game [TS]

00:26:25   or not that's where this is the flaw in [TS]

00:26:27   your logic John [TS]

00:26:29   that these people who leave one star [TS]

00:26:31   reviews think they have power they think [TS]

00:26:34   this worry this they think this will [TS]

00:26:35   hurt their sales they think that people [TS]

00:26:38   will be forced to read this that people [TS]

00:26:39   will respond to it somehow they think [TS]

00:26:42   they're voting with their one-star they [TS]

00:26:44   they really do think they are powerful [TS]

00:26:46   and they are going to register their [TS]

00:26:48   complaint and it's going to make a [TS]

00:26:49   difference and someone's gonna have to [TS]

00:26:51   face them but that's true i kno de [TS]

00:26:53   Kamp's because people do read reviews [TS]

00:26:54   and note-taking apps because they have [TS]

00:26:55   to find which one of the eight thousand [TS]

00:26:57   note-taking apps is any good so they [TS]

00:26:58   actually do have power and the [TS]

00:26:59   note-taking apps because by millions of [TS]

00:27:01   people leaving credit reviews people [TS]

00:27:03   will sort you know trying to find ones [TS]

00:27:04   that have high standards are so [TS]

00:27:06   confusing p logic with emotion didn't [TS]

00:27:09   know this is so wrong there is no logic [TS]

00:27:11   in appstore review and I understand [TS]

00:27:12   about inventing understand those things [TS]

00:27:14   like look I will and we don't have [TS]

00:27:16   demographic so nobody actually knows the [TS]

00:27:17   ages of these people even reviews [TS]

00:27:19   you could try to surmise the ages by the [TS]

00:27:21   grammar and punctuation but that is a [TS]

00:27:23   better you can do the work i did you [TS]

00:27:25   know but it gives you something to hang [TS]

00:27:27   out on like that's all we've got to go [TS]

00:27:29   on [TS]

00:27:29   let the record show on the 21st to [TS]

00:27:31   December in the year 2016 John syracuse [TS]

00:27:34   was finally wrong about something and [TS]

00:27:36   you have no idea who is right around was [TS]

00:27:38   we don't have the demographics you just [TS]

00:27:40   assume though we know you're wrong i [TS]

00:27:41   would love to see the demo on this is [TS]

00:27:43   its timely in people with all the all [TS]

00:27:45   the demographics on come on [TS]

00:27:47   yeah exactly now that yeah it is 40 [TS]

00:27:49   million people but you think the 40 [TS]

00:27:51   million people are evenly distributed [TS]

00:27:52   the people who write reviews like [TS]

00:27:54   demographically speaking there's an even [TS]

00:27:55   distribution [TS]

00:27:56   no I don't think they're told I don't [TS]

00:27:58   think it's a bell curve hovering around [TS]

00:28:00   10 year old so all right here here let's [TS]

00:28:02   put it this way said let's say a [TS]

00:28:04   distribution wise for gender what do you [TS]

00:28:06   think the distribution is of gender [TS]

00:28:08   people writing reviews as compared to [TS]

00:28:10   the purchaser so let's say the purchase [TS]

00:28:11   are 5050 [TS]

00:28:12   what do you think distribution is of [TS]

00:28:14   angry commenters probably a little bit [TS]

00:28:16   more mail but probably not as much as [TS]

00:28:17   you think a little bit more i'm going on [TS]

00:28:19   98 degrees John mountain I wouldn't have [TS]

00:28:23   got to have sent this is an example of [TS]

00:28:25   how the the demographics of commentaries [TS]

00:28:28   can be wildly out of line with [TS]

00:28:30   demographics of downloads your [TS]

00:28:31   purchasers oh sure however there is [TS]

00:28:34   absolutely no way that the people [TS]

00:28:37   commenting on this are only children [TS]

00:28:38   because the adult know that it doesn't [TS]

00:28:40   matter and it only I said mostly I [TS]

00:28:43   said mostly evidence that only I still [TS]

00:28:45   disagree how many children do you know [TS]

00:28:47   that have iphones I know it's a lot but [TS]

00:28:48   still come on [TS]

00:28:49   I i include young adults like I said [TS]

00:28:51   Young kalo that changes everything [TS]

00:28:54   these are people of all ages who want to [TS]

00:28:55   get their satisfaction I want to be [TS]

00:28:57   heard and want to send a message to [TS]

00:28:59   those greedy money-grabbing people [TS]

00:29:01   intend oh that is trust me that it's [TS]

00:29:04   this is the after i haven't read my app [TS]

00:29:06   store reviews for overcast in probably [TS]

00:29:08   two years and i have been so much more [TS]

00:29:11   mentally healthy as a result of that [TS]

00:29:12   because for years I would worry [TS]

00:29:15   what would the reviewers say what with [TS]

00:29:17   every change i made with everything i [TS]

00:29:19   did or didn't do I was constantly word [TS]

00:29:22   my apps like what will get more one [TS]

00:29:25   stars for this and you know what it [TS]

00:29:27   doesn't matter at all the vast majority [TS]

00:29:30   of the time if you have any number if [TS]

00:29:33   you basically have anybody looking for [TS]

00:29:36   your app for any other reason if they [TS]

00:29:38   heard about it somewhere if they know it [TS]

00:29:40   by name whatever else if you have any [TS]

00:29:42   number of people seeking out your app [TS]

00:29:44   reviews don't matter and if you don't [TS]

00:29:47   have a number of people seeking out your [TS]

00:29:48   app you're going to fail anyway so [TS]

00:29:51   really it kinda doesn't matter and fully [TS]

00:29:54   any i can i can urge all developers out [TS]

00:29:57   there please if you read your itunes [TS]

00:29:59   reviews you're after reviews its a [TS]

00:30:02   podcaster I don't read those either take [TS]

00:30:04   six months and don't read them and see [TS]

00:30:06   what happens it are you happier is [TS]

00:30:08   anything differently your sales and [TS]

00:30:09   different and probably not it's so true [TS]

00:30:12   so um there's a feedback form within the [TS]

00:30:16   app that are that I work on at work and [TS]

00:30:19   it emails a mailing list that's internal [TS]

00:30:22   to the office and in all the the [TS]

00:30:24   developers iOS and Android get all of [TS]

00:30:27   the feedback from both iOS and Android [TS]

00:30:28   and you would not believe the amount of [TS]

00:30:32   four-letter words and demands that we [TS]

00:30:35   get just the other day I was stunned [TS]

00:30:38   somebody wrote in such as such thing [TS]

00:30:40   doesn't work i expect this to be fixed [TS]

00:30:42   immediately like this is just some [TS]

00:30:44   random Schmo writing into the ether they [TS]

00:30:47   have no idea who this is going to expect [TS]

00:30:49   us to be fixed immediately but what it [TS]

00:30:53   was clearly an adult like this was not a [TS]

00:30:54   child this was an adult [TS]

00:30:56   you don't have to convince me that the [TS]

00:30:57   adults and send angry applicant angry [TS]

00:30:59   emails and random feedback about Apple [TS]

00:31:01   could not attend oh yeah no it doesn't [TS]

00:31:03   match it looks all I'm saying is this [TS]

00:31:05   specific game i would say the reviews [TS]

00:31:07   are skewed way more mail than the [TS]

00:31:09   purchasers and skew way younger than the [TS]

00:31:11   purchaser's not just by like a [TS]

00:31:13   percentage or two but hugely way more [TS]

00:31:16   mail and way younger and I'm gonna and I [TS]

00:31:18   would say that if you took the top 10 or [TS]

00:31:21   20 angry as one star reviews complaining [TS]

00:31:23   solely about price [TS]

00:31:24   those are going to be dudes and they're [TS]

00:31:26   gonna be between the ages of young [TS]

00:31:27   enough to be able to write in to review [TS]

00:31:29   and like 25 I'm not something that I [TS]

00:31:32   mean you might be right i don't know but [TS]

00:31:34   i doubt it's not there all children it's [TS]

00:31:37   not that adults don't write an angry [TS]

00:31:38   things other applications is not the [TS]

00:31:39   reviews kill other applications all [TS]

00:31:41   those things are not things that I said [TS]

00:31:42   I said that I have to think these are [TS]

00:31:44   mostly children which it nailed down [TS]

00:31:46   into more concrete terms that these [TS]

00:31:48   reviewers sku more younger and more mail [TS]

00:31:50   and the more mail i think you can both [TS]

00:31:52   get on board with because honestly like [TS]

00:31:54   that men are terrible like just you know [TS]

00:31:57   that this term it's that's a gimme [TS]

00:32:00   right and and and not because people not [TS]

00:32:03   because men refused to buy things more [TS]

00:32:05   than anything it's just they're going to [TS]

00:32:06   tell you about it right and and then [TS]

00:32:09   young people like all people don't have [TS]

00:32:11   time for that crap right so it's just a [TS]

00:32:12   question of how are ya how it skews [TS]

00:32:14   compared to the demographics right that [TS]

00:32:16   the male part i agree with the youth I [TS]

00:32:18   agree with I believe these are both like [TS]

00:32:21   you know it it does sku that direction [TS]

00:32:22   it's not all men it's not all young [TS]

00:32:24   people i read right but but compared to [TS]

00:32:26   that compared to the purchaser's because [TS]

00:32:28   i don't have to think the purchaser's [TS]

00:32:29   it's probably even gender split from [TS]

00:32:31   area like it's a popular you nobody will [TS]

00:32:33   say it is all ages and it doesn't matter [TS]

00:32:35   whether they've heard intended or not [TS]

00:32:36   everyone's hurting Tendo doesn't [TS]

00:32:39   surprise heard of Nintendo but not but I [TS]

00:32:42   think your affection for nintendo is [TS]

00:32:44   deeply clouding your perspective here we [TS]

00:32:45   were somewhere that has nothing to do [TS]

00:32:47   with affection it has to do with it with [TS]

00:32:49   an understanding that the older you get [TS]

00:32:50   the more you realize what Marco just [TS]

00:32:52   said that no one reads those reviews to [TS]

00:32:54   find out whether they're gonna download [TS]

00:32:55   a game and all you have left is venting [TS]

00:32:57   about [TS]

00:32:57   and little really don't eventually give [TS]

00:33:01   up on venting because they realize oh no [TS]

00:33:03   they do not [TS]

00:33:04   are you kidding or do you have you ever [TS]

00:33:06   been around an old person the only do is [TS]

00:33:08   vent their writing to their congressmen [TS]

00:33:10   and sending angry letters to the diner [TS]

00:33:11   because it was cold [TS]

00:33:12   it's not different that's a different [TS]

00:33:13   than find different outlets oh noes [TS]

00:33:16   others there's a personality type that [TS]

00:33:18   liked that they they need to get their [TS]

00:33:20   satisfaction and they need to make their [TS]

00:33:22   voice heard about every minor complete [TS]

00:33:24   in their life i mean i can't i can't [TS]

00:33:26   really talk that much but isn't that [TS]

00:33:28   type of this does not change over time [TS]

00:33:32   this does not they don't like grow out [TS]

00:33:33   of that that stays with people forever [TS]

00:33:36   their entire lives all ages [TS]

00:33:39   that's what well maybe we have to wait [TS]

00:33:41   until the generation that grew up with [TS]

00:33:42   the app store gets that age but they're [TS]

00:33:43   not that a jet all right we were circle [TS]

00:33:46   we're going in circles and this let's [TS]

00:33:47   move on but let me make sure you need to [TS]

00:33:50   do apple is put demographic information [TS]

00:33:51   attached to all the comments so we can [TS]

00:33:53   just settle down there and say oh male [TS]

00:33:55   18 male 22 male 25 always press but we [TS]

00:33:58   go [TS]

00:33:59   God of all the by the way if you go to [TS]

00:34:02   like here let's try to think of the [TS]

00:34:04   application that has the audience that [TS]

00:34:06   skews the oldest so what the the oldest [TS]

00:34:09   / I guess is probably health-related [TS]

00:34:11   like a blood-pressure things are like [TS]

00:34:14   health monitoring some broadcast TV apps [TS]

00:34:17   like an NBC app or something maybe but [TS]

00:34:20   that's probably broader than you think [TS]

00:34:21   but now maybe the CBS app is he was real [TS]

00:34:24   right and I have trouble because those [TS]

00:34:28   people who are that age didn't grow up [TS]

00:34:30   with the app store i have trouble at [TS]

00:34:32   thinking how many of them realize that [TS]

00:34:33   leaving a review is a thing you can do [TS]

00:34:35   even though they know they know i think [TS]

00:34:39   in small numbers but anyway Oh John your [TS]

00:34:42   innocence beautiful i would love to read [TS]

00:34:44   the angry reviews of of the application [TS]

00:34:47   whose room whose custom rescue the [TS]

00:34:49   oldest some maybe the AARP app or [TS]

00:34:51   something [TS]

00:34:52   facebook because that I think they would [TS]

00:34:53   look and comparing them like sentence [TS]

00:34:56   structure wise like with the things [TS]

00:34:57   they're about how they express [TS]

00:34:59   themselves to the angry Mary reviews i [TS]

00:35:01   think you could feed the text through [TS]

00:35:03   one of those like guess the age and [TS]

00:35:05   education level and year they were born [TS]

00:35:07   based on the words and sentence [TS]

00:35:08   structure they use [TS]

00:35:10   I i think the incredibly angry AARP app [TS]

00:35:12   reviews would look materially different [TS]

00:35:15   than the incredibly angry [TS]

00:35:16   Mariana reviews wow we have a new [TS]

00:35:21   sponsor this week it is called we sell [TS]

00:35:24   socks so it's that we sell socks dot-com [TS]

00:35:27   and that everyone just it'sit's a [TS]

00:35:29   one-person operation [TS]

00:35:30   he's a fan of the show and he said [TS]

00:35:32   whatever your request that Marco John [TS]

00:35:34   Casey critique the site and the service [TS]

00:35:37   negative and positive on first glance [TS]

00:35:39   instead of doing a regular add read that [TS]

00:35:42   is a bold bold maneuver my goodness [TS]

00:35:46   terrible idea [TS]

00:35:47   Johns Creek originally as even as you [TS]

00:35:50   never listen to the show it's a good [TS]

00:35:51   thing I'm not riled up today [TS]

00:35:53   haha so I think we should probably save [TS]

00:35:57   John for last case you wanna go first or [TS]

00:35:59   should I opening hero image good not a [TS]

00:36:02   movie good 14-month 14-month it's it's a [TS]

00:36:05   little aggressive depending on how much [TS]

00:36:07   how many socks you get into how fancy [TS]

00:36:09   they are scrolling down pretty good [TS]

00:36:11   calls to action pretty simple [TS]

00:36:14   Paul quote good faq smells site looks [TS]

00:36:17   good and i don't i'm not clear on how [TS]

00:36:20   many pairs of socks you get fourteen [TS]

00:36:22   dollars a month but the Sox look nice [TS]

00:36:24   they're colorful seems good to me i also [TS]

00:36:27   was not sure so forty dollars a month is [TS]

00:36:30   working hours when delivered worldwide [TS]

00:36:31   and with a clarification and it's [TS]

00:36:33   actually $14 Canadian oh because about [TS]

00:36:37   ten dollars us but there's a five-dollar [TS]

00:36:39   shipping charge on top of that i believe [TS]

00:36:41   and so that ends up being $14 fifteen [TS]

00:36:45   cents us including happy but it's not [TS]

00:36:48   working out about to see him so anyway [TS]

00:36:51   robot shipping that's good and they also [TS]

00:36:53   do a cool thing where where for every [TS]

00:36:56   pair that he sells and i'm pretty sure i [TS]

00:36:59   also didn't know how many pairs you get [TS]

00:37:00   i'm pretty sure it's one pair for that [TS]

00:37:02   that's because it's like he's like fancy [TS]

00:37:03   socks is not like it is like a pack of [TS]

00:37:05   hands like he's like fancy designer [TS]

00:37:07   socks like that like people who are [TS]

00:37:08   cooler than us would usually wear right [TS]

00:37:10   although honestly I have been thinking [TS]

00:37:12   about whether i want to get into the [TS]

00:37:14   world of fun socks because right now [TS]

00:37:16   we're very more assume that you always [TS]

00:37:19   the same black t-shirt every single day [TS]

00:37:21   jeans and a black teachers but every [TS]

00:37:23   de socks are different exactly oh my god [TS]

00:37:25   you two are out of control i need to [TS]

00:37:27   start drinking [TS]

00:37:28   holy crap so anyway so at and he also [TS]

00:37:31   has a school thing where for every pair [TS]

00:37:32   he sells he donates a pair to a local [TS]

00:37:36   shelter for people in need [TS]

00:37:38   almost there and it's not like it is it [TS]

00:37:40   isn't don't like a crappy pair here it's [TS]

00:37:41   a good pair along with the pair that you [TS]

00:37:43   buy all that that's awesome so it's it's [TS]

00:37:45   a cool mission i think the cycle [TS]

00:37:47   communicate this better because like the [TS]

00:37:48   thing about like how that's 14 hours a [TS]

00:37:50   month Canadian and that it's one pair of [TS]

00:37:52   socks and there needs to be [TS]

00:37:53   clarification on that but otherwise I [TS]

00:37:56   think it's pretty cool you know i know [TS]

00:37:58   there are other sock subscription [TS]

00:37:59   services out there but i would try this [TS]

00:38:01   one first honestly I've always I i will [TS]

00:38:04   reveal a secret to you guys i have [TS]

00:38:05   always had a dream of getting a [TS]

00:38:08   subscription service where i could wear [TS]

00:38:10   a pair of brand new socks every day of [TS]

00:38:14   course of course content of new socks is [TS]

00:38:18   so awesome you know and and the reason [TS]

00:38:20   why I've never done this because it just [TS]

00:38:21   obviously sounds incredibly wasteful and [TS]

00:38:23   because what do you do with socks that [TS]

00:38:25   were worn once like for one day at like [TS]

00:38:28   you can't just throw it away that's [TS]

00:38:29   terrible [TS]

00:38:30   and nobody really wants used socks so I [TS]

00:38:33   haven't ever done this or started this [TS]

00:38:35   business or patronize any such [TS]

00:38:37   businesses because that would seem [TS]

00:38:39   ridiculous but I feel like one pair of [TS]

00:38:42   of cool new socks a month might be a [TS]

00:38:43   nice compromise you are the clothing [TS]

00:38:45   equivalent of the billionaire who smoke [TS]

00:38:47   cigarette once and goodness and [TS]

00:38:52   cigarettes but sure yeah I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:38:54   I know what you're referring to [TS]

00:38:55   I I'm all right side i did look at that [TS]

00:38:58   time I had the same question I think it [TS]

00:39:00   needs to be clear how many things you [TS]

00:39:02   get I maybe i would throw in some more [TS]

00:39:08   reassuring text about like if you want [TS]

00:39:10   to bail you just cancel like the options [TS]

00:39:12   the stuff like that because you want to [TS]

00:39:14   overcome people's you want you to tell [TS]

00:39:16   people the deal is quickly and overcome [TS]

00:39:19   people's anxiety about getting roped [TS]

00:39:21   into something as for the concept Marco [TS]

00:39:25   aside which is something like a little [TS]

00:39:27   bit okay this is a thing that i have [TS]

00:39:30   seen like the idea that interesting [TS]

00:39:33   socks is part of [TS]

00:39:35   your look and I can imagine if that was [TS]

00:39:37   part of something you do just have fun [TS]

00:39:40   with your clothing [TS]

00:39:41   it's not that easy to find interesting [TS]

00:39:44   socks and also you never quite know like [TS]

00:39:47   if you're presented with you just going [TS]

00:39:49   at C&C like billions and billions of [TS]

00:39:50   weird socks which one should i get now [TS]

00:39:52   or whatever they're the aspect of having [TS]

00:39:55   someone do the picking for you and just [TS]

00:39:56   like you know having a be a surprise you [TS]

00:40:00   say like you take know whatever you you [TS]

00:40:02   arrive that's what you're gonna take [TS]

00:40:03   that is both freeing and a little bit [TS]

00:40:06   interesting and exciting so i can [TS]

00:40:08   imagine people not Margo doing this and [TS]

00:40:13   and getting a kick out of it [TS]

00:40:14   the website my only real complaint of [TS]

00:40:17   the the whatever those non loading [TS]

00:40:19   images are is a hate when they do the [TS]

00:40:21   little cut away with this the you know [TS]

00:40:23   the position fix background as you [TS]

00:40:24   scroll things above it so that the [TS]

00:40:26   pictures like that back when you scroll [TS]

00:40:28   I don't like that i don't like things [TS]

00:40:30   that break the physical metaphor of the [TS]

00:40:31   scrolling page i know of course you kids [TS]

00:40:33   like that but it's it's not for me [TS]

00:40:36   yeah and I think there's a lot of space [TS]

00:40:39   taken up by stuff that is not the the [TS]

00:40:44   most important to repair me to have [TS]

00:40:47   three paragraphs on anything but I feel [TS]

00:40:48   like information density could be better [TS]

00:40:51   legs than that yeah I it's not for me [TS]

00:40:55   it's probably not for Marco but I have [TS]

00:40:57   seen people in real life who are into [TS]

00:40:59   fancy socks and I subscribe to the idea [TS]

00:41:02   of putting that into someone else's [TS]

00:41:06   hands [TS]

00:41:06   so anyway I think it's a cool i think [TS]

00:41:08   it's a cool service i think john i agree [TS]

00:41:11   with you that if i were to be a fancy [TS]

00:41:12   sock person I would want someone else [TS]

00:41:15   who is more fashionable and into sock [TS]

00:41:18   choices than me to be choosing them for [TS]

00:41:21   me and that's what this would offer and [TS]

00:41:24   I think I might do something crazy like [TS]

00:41:26   this because you know for basically like [TS]

00:41:29   half of the days of my life when I put [TS]

00:41:31   on my outfit which is the same thing [TS]

00:41:33   everyday about half the time I put on [TS]

00:41:36   the socks i think wouldn't it be great [TS]

00:41:37   if all of my socks were exactly the same [TS]

00:41:40   and I wouldn't have to match up the [TS]

00:41:41   subtle difference between texts like [TS]

00:41:43   minor black pattern variations that [TS]

00:41:45   solves the problem of different areas [TS]

00:41:47   right and then the other half of the [TS]

00:41:49   mornings I think you know maybe I could [TS]

00:41:51   try some fun socks some time because [TS]

00:41:53   everything also where is boring and I [TS]

00:41:54   like it that way to keep it that way but [TS]

00:41:56   I'm always wearing a nice watch and I [TS]

00:41:58   wouldn't mind always wearing cool socks [TS]

00:41:59   so I have thought about this before and [TS]

00:42:02   I'm I might I might do it i also like [TS]

00:42:04   the idea that inevitably you'll get some [TS]

00:42:08   socks that you that you think you're [TS]

00:42:09   hideous in the same way like Jelly [TS]

00:42:11   Bellies when it's like a bad flavor i [TS]

00:42:12   think that is part of the front that you [TS]

00:42:14   know the whole idea of let's understand [TS]

00:42:16   how much socks as you're going to have [TS]

00:42:17   someone that are like exciting cool and [TS]

00:42:18   fun and maybe you wouldn't pick up for [TS]

00:42:20   yourself and you can have some of that [TS]

00:42:21   hideous and that is part of the fun [TS]

00:42:23   that's true yeah or just suppose to you [TS]

00:42:26   well you know you can you should you [TS]

00:42:27   should still wear them i can do a thing [TS]

00:42:28   of like even when they come in they're [TS]

00:42:29   hideous in the same way that you end up [TS]

00:42:31   eating like the jelly bean flavor you [TS]

00:42:32   don't like or like you put them all side [TS]

00:42:34   but then when you're done you still have [TS]

00:42:35   more jelly beans you just eat all the [TS]

00:42:36   black ones anyway it wasn't the worst [TS]

00:42:40   anyway thanks thanks to we sell socks [TS]

00:42:43   for sponsoring our show and check it out [TS]

00:42:45   thanks we sell socks [TS]

00:42:47   ah did you guys get your pots i did [TS]

00:42:53   wanted to I i got my little clicking [TS]

00:42:56   case right here fancy nice and what do [TS]

00:42:59   you think [TS]

00:43:02   which one you have to address one of us [TS]

00:43:03   posted 101 is that one time this is the [TS]

00:43:09   one time that the two of you don't jump [TS]

00:43:11   in and you wait for me to give you this [TS]

00:43:13   further that's ever happened i didn't [TS]

00:43:15   light up stupid fun fun up because i [TS]

00:43:17   would have gone i would have gone for [TS]

00:43:19   but i wanted to i want to go back to [TS]

00:43:20   this the the item i had for their [TS]

00:43:22   problems before we had received are so [TS]

00:43:24   this was last week is about why they [TS]

00:43:27   were delayed you know they they were [TS]

00:43:29   expected i think everyone that was there [TS]

00:43:30   so they're going to come in October [TS]

00:43:31   something and it's like we're the airpot [TS]

00:43:33   there's no there's some sort of delay [TS]

00:43:34   and apple had to scrap its entire first [TS]

00:43:37   production around of the things and and [TS]

00:43:39   remake a whole bunch of other in short [TS]

00:43:41   supply and there's a bunch of stories [TS]

00:43:42   about that and whatever their shipping [TS]

00:43:43   now and it was difficult to get them for [TS]

00:43:45   Christmas and and even in the new year [TS]

00:43:47   will be difficult and apple stores are [TS]

00:43:48   getting tiring shipments but what I'm [TS]

00:43:50   interested in is the idea of the delay [TS]

00:43:54   because a lot of people of were upset [TS]

00:43:56   about just because people want what they [TS]

00:43:58   want but also applesauce to be good at [TS]

00:44:00   making things what are they [TS]

00:44:01   why did they do this and I think this is [TS]

00:44:03   a situation where is anyone who is who [TS]

00:44:08   thinks this delay is indicative of [TS]

00:44:11   something bad about apple or problem has [TS]

00:44:15   things backwards it's disappointing like [TS]

00:44:18   you know obviously Apple would have [TS]

00:44:20   liked to have gotten them out sooner and [TS]

00:44:22   someone made a mistake somewhere or [TS]

00:44:24   whatever but the fact that there's a [TS]

00:44:26   delay is exactly what we want Apple to [TS]

00:44:28   be doing especially in light of like the [TS]

00:44:30   samsung galaxy note you know batteries [TS]

00:44:32   exploding or whatever it is that the [TS]

00:44:34   note 7 batteries exploding like the most [TS]

00:44:37   important thing Apple can do is make [TS]

00:44:39   sure that whatever it is they ship meets [TS]

00:44:41   their standards for whatever aesthetics [TS]

00:44:44   reliability safety so on and so forth [TS]

00:44:47   whatever this problem was that caused [TS]

00:44:50   them to have to delay the thing that's [TS]

00:44:52   exactly what we wanted to do like I was [TS]

00:44:54   ideally that you don't mess up right but [TS]

00:44:56   if you do mess up you have to do the [TS]

00:44:58   right thing and I just can't uh I can't [TS]

00:45:02   you know think about people being angry [TS]

00:45:04   at apple for delays like this is exactly [TS]

00:45:07   what we mean if anything ever goes wrong [TS]

00:45:09   is it well why did you ship it wasn't [TS]

00:45:11   ready [TS]

00:45:11   don't ship if it's not we say that about [TS]

00:45:13   software all the time is it's like [TS]

00:45:14   quadruple true [TS]

00:45:16   about hardware so I don't know what the [TS]

00:45:18   problem was I don't really care what the [TS]

00:45:20   problem was i would much rather have a [TS]

00:45:23   product that is ready to be released [TS]

00:45:24   then one that is rushed out and have [TS]

00:45:27   some sort of problem because who wants [TS]

00:45:28   to get their pods and find out there's [TS]

00:45:31   some little flaw and some you know even [TS]

00:45:32   two percent of the people have to end up [TS]

00:45:33   going back to the apple store that's [TS]

00:45:34   terrible must go back to the apple store [TS]

00:45:36   i'll wait an extra two months ship it [TS]

00:45:37   when it's done so i'm not gonna say I [TS]

00:45:39   applaud the delay because no one likes a [TS]

00:45:41   delay and again ideally whatever the [TS]

00:45:43   problem was Apple would have called [TS]

00:45:44   earlier and fixed it and you know this [TS]

00:45:46   is not exactly a good thing but this is [TS]

00:45:49   exactly what I want a a company to do [TS]

00:45:52   when they do make a mistake which [TS]

00:45:54   happens companies made of people people [TS]

00:45:55   make mistakes when they do make a [TS]

00:45:57   mistake and do the right thing about it [TS]

00:45:58   and it seems like that's what they did [TS]

00:45:59   here [TS]

00:46:00   cool i'm a little bummed that there was [TS]

00:46:03   a delay just because he seem like [TS]

00:46:04   they're super cool but I i completely [TS]

00:46:07   agree with you that that if you're going [TS]

00:46:09   to roll the dice you you died [TS]

00:46:13   error on the side of caution and in gosh [TS]

00:46:15   only knows what the delay was i think [TS]

00:46:17   was i fix it said that there were some [TS]

00:46:19   dubious tolerances or something like [TS]

00:46:22   that in the case which they somehow [TS]

00:46:24   extrapolated to mean that maybe there [TS]

00:46:26   was some some build quality issues I [TS]

00:46:30   don't know about that one way the other [TS]

00:46:32   hand that didn't that didn't read write [TS]

00:46:34   to me that that that read a lot more [TS]

00:46:36   like be completely baseless speculation [TS]

00:46:38   than anything real [TS]

00:46:39   I agree yeah like that's how I read it [TS]

00:46:41   too which is why I was kind of confused [TS]

00:46:44   by it but anyway but i don't know that [TS]

00:46:46   we'll ever know why the why there was a [TS]

00:46:48   delay but it's certainly I like you said [TS]

00:46:50   I'll take the delay and they did he get [TS]

00:46:52   in by the end of the year and i'll take [TS]

00:46:53   the delay over some sort of flawed [TS]

00:46:55   family if anything I'm hoping at this [TS]

00:46:57   point that they didn't do anything silly [TS]

00:46:59   to rush it out just to get something [TS]

00:47:00   ready for the holiday season of anything [TS]

00:47:02   I you know I'm hoping that like it [TS]

00:47:04   really was ready to ship and there [TS]

00:47:05   wasn't some immense pressure because [TS]

00:47:06   obviously there's immense pressure ship [TS]

00:47:08   but you know in time for the holidays [TS]

00:47:10   right uh and that can cause that's [TS]

00:47:12   exactly what causes a company say well [TS]

00:47:15   under normal circumstances I wouldn't do [TS]

00:47:17   it because we have to make the holiday [TS]

00:47:19   season [TS]

00:47:20   everybody's on here under huge amount of [TS]

00:47:21   pressure to just make it happen even if [TS]

00:47:23   they're not quite up to where they want [TS]

00:47:25   them to be and I haven't heard any [TS]

00:47:26   stories yet I guess we'll find out in [TS]

00:47:28   a couple months of our pods dire [TS]

00:47:30   whatever but I'm hoping that they waited [TS]

00:47:32   long enough because honestly like that's [TS]

00:47:34   the right move for the companies like [TS]

00:47:36   you your reputation as Apple as they [TS]

00:47:38   come you know just a samsung again it [TS]

00:47:40   you your reputation for reliability and [TS]

00:47:43   and doing the right thing and only [TS]

00:47:45   shipping products that are of the [TS]

00:47:49   standard people expect especially for [TS]

00:47:50   hardware you can't ship a CH right you [TS]

00:47:53   can't fix it in the point release that [TS]

00:47:55   is so much more important than even [TS]

00:47:57   hitting the holiday season especially [TS]

00:47:58   for company was much money in the bank [TS]

00:47:59   is Apple you have to miss the holiday [TS]

00:48:01   season [TS]

00:48:01   miss the holiday season you get dinged [TS]

00:48:03   for it and you'll say hey you tried to [TS]

00:48:05   the holiday season with your product and [TS]

00:48:06   you didn't and that's bad and you have [TS]

00:48:08   made a mistake but it's still a lesser [TS]

00:48:10   mistake then shipping people here pods [TS]

00:48:12   and blow up in their ears or whatever [TS]

00:48:13   yeah and for whatever it's worth 80 tips [TS]

00:48:16   on the chat is saying that the issue was [TS]

00:48:18   not blowing up in your ears [TS]

00:48:20   it was a manufacturing problem initially [TS]

00:48:22   related to the bluetooth hardware that [TS]

00:48:24   it was not performing well and was using [TS]

00:48:26   excessive battery during operation so [TS]

00:48:29   that could be true any of those things [TS]

00:48:30   like oh I got my ear pods they don't [TS]

00:48:32   connect or the battery runs out too [TS]

00:48:34   quickly and you know it again [TS]

00:48:35   Apple can't patch it if it's a hardware [TS]

00:48:37   problem so yeah and it does seem like [TS]

00:48:38   the basic operation of the most people [TS]

00:48:40   have had them for one or two days so far [TS]

00:48:43   but it does seem like they work well and [TS]

00:48:47   then with with a few exceptions a few [TS]

00:48:49   people have had like you know [TS]

00:48:50   interference problems or connection [TS]

00:48:52   problems with them but with with those [TS]

00:48:54   few exceptions that I've seen almost [TS]

00:48:56   everyone who has them seems very happy [TS]

00:48:58   with them so you guys starting with [TS]

00:49:00   Marco one more item to know god that was [TS]

00:49:05   the perfect segue we're not beholding to [TS]

00:49:07   the damn notes job okay John Jenni you [TS]

00:49:09   are you are you are the Warriors you're [TS]

00:49:12   into the passage of time earlier things [TS]

00:49:16   and then they're followed by later [TS]

00:49:17   things [TS]

00:49:18   Oh John the earlier item is at first [TS]

00:49:21   while apple's market have you lost any [TS]

00:49:24   of your project [TS]

00:49:25   I don't know TIFF has them right now but [TS]

00:49:27   when I gave it to her an hour ago last [TS]

00:49:30   time you saw them they were both there [TS]

00:49:31   that's alright i have lost mine either [TS]

00:49:33   but if I did was ask them last show what [TS]

00:49:36   we do about it [TS]

00:49:37   you can apparently replace one 470 bucks [TS]

00:49:39   i did have one follow my ear during [TS]

00:49:42   the first two hours of using it alright [TS]

00:49:44   well now we can shift into market [TS]

00:49:45   telling us all these nobody thinks that [TS]

00:49:46   I just wanted to be just wanted to get [TS]

00:49:48   the best that was a question that show [TS]

00:49:49   what happens if you lose one answer 70 [TS]

00:49:51   bucks yeah so that's obviously not bad [TS]

00:49:53   you know for what they cost that's [TS]

00:49:55   that's fine that's that it's good they [TS]

00:49:57   will sell you individual ones at all you [TS]

00:50:00   know because they could have just very [TS]

00:50:02   well said well you gotta buy a new pair [TS]

00:50:03   oh well and you know so i have to have [TS]

00:50:05   an option at all to buy individual ones [TS]

00:50:07   to replace lost broken ones is nice [TS]

00:50:09   yes so my impressions overall as you [TS]

00:50:14   know i'm reviewing all the headphones in [TS]

00:50:16   the universe and basically my my [TS]

00:50:19   concerns before this were I've never had [TS]

00:50:22   an apple earpods or any year pot or any [TS]

00:50:24   year but or any in out any ear near [TS]

00:50:26   canal phone that fit me comfortably and [TS]

00:50:29   and well that eat that both was [TS]

00:50:31   comfortable and would stay in I've never [TS]

00:50:34   found 1i my ears are just weird i guess [TS]

00:50:36   and i was concerned the Pierre pods [TS]

00:50:39   would fit me as well as the earpods do [TS]

00:50:42   which is with mediocrity with some [TS]

00:50:45   discomfort and they fall out and I was [TS]

00:50:47   also concerned about the lack of of [TS]

00:50:51   controls on the earpods on the airport [TS]

00:50:54   excuse me but it's come to take this [TS]

00:50:56   week and that is actually I you know the [TS]

00:51:00   lack of of like volume and play pause [TS]

00:51:02   and and seek back seat forward which are [TS]

00:51:05   very commonly used in podcasts one [TS]

00:51:07   person i'm sorry i forgot the name is [TS]

00:51:10   one person twitter said I've heard more [TS]

00:51:12   ads and overcast this week than I ever [TS]

00:51:13   have before with you haha but anyway [TS]

00:51:18   thanks to our sponsors so you know [TS]

00:51:22   they're the only have either Siri or [TS]

00:51:25   play/pause with the double tap gesture [TS]

00:51:26   now we've gone over this before so [TS]

00:51:28   anyway when they arrived those are my [TS]

00:51:30   concerns and they are exactly what i [TS]

00:51:33   thought they would be in good and bad [TS]

00:51:35   ways so in all the good ways the the [TS]

00:51:38   pairing process is awesome the case the [TS]

00:51:40   battery charging all that stuff is [TS]

00:51:42   awesome [TS]

00:51:42   the case is a little bit thick for [TS]

00:51:46   pocket use it fits okay in a little like [TS]

00:51:50   change pocket on top of your jeans right [TS]

00:51:51   pocket if it's okay in there [TS]

00:51:54   I didn't [TS]

00:51:55   think about that but otherwise they're [TS]

00:51:57   great they they actually you know i'm [TS]

00:52:00   not a huge fan of of your buds for sound [TS]

00:52:03   purposes but these sound pretty good if [TS]

00:52:06   you like hold them in especially like [TS]

00:52:08   basically the the amount of base that [TS]

00:52:11   earbuds have depends entirely on how [TS]

00:52:14   well they seal snugly inside of your ear [TS]

00:52:16   if they seal well if if they can really [TS]

00:52:19   rest in there really get land really [TS]

00:52:20   like large themselves in there you will [TS]

00:52:22   get great base and they will stay in and [TS]

00:52:25   if you are not mean they might even be [TS]

00:52:27   comfortable [TS]

00:52:28   yeah I couldn't agree with you more i'm [TS]

00:52:30   sorry for jumping in but i have a pair [TS]

00:52:32   of ultimate years I don't know how [TS]

00:52:34   they're classified but they're they're [TS]

00:52:35   basically earphones and I could not [TS]

00:52:38   agree with you more that when I have [TS]

00:52:40   them seated just right they are probably [TS]

00:52:43   the best sounding speakers that i own [TS]

00:52:47   and I have a couple of pretty decent [TS]

00:52:48   pair of headphones notnot Marco crazy [TS]

00:52:50   good but decent pair of headphones and [TS]

00:52:52   and I actually think the stereo my car [TS]

00:52:54   is really darn good as well but these [TS]

00:52:56   ultimate ears are phenomenal as long as [TS]

00:52:59   they're seated properly and the moment [TS]

00:53:01   they get even the teensy weensy is bit [TS]

00:53:04   unseeded it's a totally different [TS]

00:53:06   scenario yet so that's what the airports [TS]

00:53:08   are exactly the same base when they are [TS]

00:53:10   very well seated so that you get good [TS]

00:53:12   base out of them [TS]

00:53:13   the sound quality is very good when [TS]

00:53:15   they're that seated the the harshness of [TS]

00:53:17   like Antoninus of the mid-range and the [TS]

00:53:19   high is that you often get if they're [TS]

00:53:20   out a little more that gets softened and [TS]

00:53:24   and rolled off and muted a little bit so [TS]

00:53:25   it's actually a very well balanced sound [TS]

00:53:27   and 460 dollars a properly sealed air [TS]

00:53:31   pod is a really good deal in the [TS]

00:53:34   headphone world it's it's not the best [TS]

00:53:36   but it's really good especially for [TS]

00:53:39   something that small so when they're [TS]

00:53:41   well steal the sound good when they are [TS]

00:53:42   not well see like how they sit in my [TS]

00:53:44   ears they said a little loose i can't [TS]

00:53:45   get them to seal because whatever my [TS]

00:53:46   ears suck the base suffers tremendously [TS]

00:53:50   but the rest of the sound actually isn't [TS]

00:53:53   too bad the mid-range it's a little bit [TS]

00:53:56   accentuated and so it sounds a little [TS]

00:53:58   bit more harsh but overall I'm very [TS]

00:54:01   pleasantly surprised by how good they [TS]

00:54:03   sound and I really wish they fit me [TS]

00:54:06   better because [TS]

00:54:08   I would use them a lot more [TS]

00:54:09   unfortunately they don't they fall out [TS]

00:54:12   of my ears even if I'm just like I more [TS]

00:54:15   than yesterday when I was wrapping gifts [TS]

00:54:16   like walking around the table bending [TS]

00:54:18   over here and there and they fell out at [TS]

00:54:21   one of them fell after a few minutes the [TS]

00:54:22   fortunately I kind of felt happening so [TS]

00:54:24   i call it the other day area yesterday [TS]

00:54:27   whatever was i I took my dog for a walk [TS]

00:54:30   also and had to bend over to pick up [TS]

00:54:34   something that you have to do when you [TS]

00:54:35   take your dog for a walk and got the [TS]

00:54:38   worst almost happened [TS]

00:54:39   oh god it didn't it missed by like a few [TS]

00:54:43   inches tall spent seventy dollars at the [TS]

00:54:46   apple store that day didn't buy a new [TS]

00:54:49   one you can clean that off come on [TS]

00:54:51   natural and you clean that off I ok but [TS]

00:54:55   yeah so you have a kid you know it's [TS]

00:54:57   like everything in your house is covered [TS]

00:54:58   pooped and pretend it isn't i put in my [TS]

00:55:00   ear something you are you don't nobody [TS]

00:55:03   want so yeah manufacture the they don't [TS]

00:55:07   end and that actually happened to Jason [TS]

00:55:09   smells well you mentioned upgrade this [TS]

00:55:11   week so yeah I they don't fit me well [TS]

00:55:15   and it's unfortunate because they are it [TS]

00:55:17   is really nice to have something that [TS]

00:55:18   small on the the double tap to play [TS]

00:55:21   pause i have found to be fairly [TS]

00:55:24   unreliable you have to tap it pretty [TS]

00:55:27   firmly to get it to work reliably and [TS]

00:55:30   that's not good because it's kind of [TS]

00:55:31   uncomfortable [TS]

00:55:32   why would you do that rather than just [TS]

00:55:34   probably one of the earbuds out so you [TS]

00:55:37   can do that too [TS]

00:55:37   so basically I'm just saying like you [TS]

00:55:39   know for reference for reference the [TS]

00:55:40   gesture of either invoking serie [TS]

00:55:42   ordering play positive but depending on [TS]

00:55:44   your preference [TS]

00:55:45   it is a little inconsistent a little [TS]

00:55:47   little tricky to do reliably so that's [TS]

00:55:49   unfortunate but other than that they're [TS]

00:55:52   fine the sound is better than I expected [TS]

00:55:55   they are you know small and light and [TS]

00:55:58   they almost fit in my pocket comfortably [TS]

00:56:00   with the charging case and without of [TS]

00:56:02   course you could do everyone with them [TS]

00:56:03   they do unfortunately fall out of my [TS]

00:56:05   ears and so I i am i'm not going to [TS]

00:56:08   return them like they're nice to have [TS]

00:56:09   around but I think they'll be more like [TS]

00:56:12   something I keep in my backpack for like [TS]

00:56:14   a forgot big headphones and I'm like on [TS]

00:56:16   a trip or I'm going to the city you know [TS]

00:56:20   maybe I bring them that they said [TS]

00:56:21   something like that like where [TS]

00:56:22   like I'm not gonna be like bending over [TS]

00:56:24   much I'm i even get like sitting on a [TS]

00:56:27   train or a bus for a while like that [TS]

00:56:28   would be better for that but i don't so [TS]

00:56:30   I'm gonna keep them i'm glad i have them [TS]

00:56:33   but I'm probably not gonna use them [TS]

00:56:34   heavily because they just are physically [TS]

00:56:37   incompatible with me in a pretty big way [TS]

00:56:39   unfortunately also i found if you have a [TS]

00:56:42   winter hat over them it could help hold [TS]

00:56:45   them in because the winter was over [TS]

00:56:47   years and then you know like not too [TS]

00:56:49   tight but like it'll basically they want [TS]

00:56:51   for their basic it's impossible to fall [TS]

00:56:52   out with my big heavy winter hat pulled [TS]

00:56:55   down over my ears [TS]

00:56:56   yeah i'll try that next actually because [TS]

00:56:58   walking with like bigger headphones is [TS]

00:57:01   not great in the winter but now so let's [TS]

00:57:03   try that [TS]

00:57:04   so John what do you think about yours I [TS]

00:57:07   agree with most things market said mud [TS]

00:57:08   at the ear arab thing your pods do stay [TS]

00:57:11   and my ears like the plain old earpods [TS]

00:57:13   do and so do the air pods because i keep [TS]

00:57:15   reading reviews of like whether they're [TS]

00:57:17   shaped differently even jason said he [TS]

00:57:18   thought they were shaped differently and [TS]

00:57:19   I looked it my you know the ones that [TS]

00:57:22   came with my iphone 7 and these and as [TS]

00:57:26   far as my eyeballs can tell without a [TS]

00:57:28   micrometer they are identically shaped [TS]

00:57:29   anyway they they stay in my ears just [TS]

00:57:31   fine just like all the other ones have [TS]

00:57:33   and i've been using them for a long time [TS]

00:57:35   now so that's not a problem for me i was [TS]

00:57:38   interested to see how they would change [TS]

00:57:40   the way you know I listen to stuff [TS]

00:57:43   because I do listen during my commute [TS]

00:57:45   and the community bluetooth in the car [TS]

00:57:47   obviously but walking to my car [TS]

00:57:49   you know I just a long walk but even [TS]

00:57:51   just a walk around the house in the [TS]

00:57:52   morning and then I go out to my car and [TS]

00:57:53   I get into my car and then it comes with [TS]

00:57:55   a bluetooth and I take out my headphones [TS]

00:57:56   and i drive to work i want to get out of [TS]

00:57:58   my car from the umpteenth for the [TS]

00:57:59   parking garage of my phones back in and [TS]

00:58:01   I walked all through the parking garage [TS]

00:58:02   in the building it you know so I'm using [TS]

00:58:05   my headphones for the walking part of my [TS]

00:58:08   commute and also wear them a lot when I [TS]

00:58:12   am doing dishes are when I'm cooking [TS]

00:58:16   a dinner at night and stuff like that [TS]

00:58:18   just other are just folding laundry or [TS]

00:58:20   whatever just doing my must work by [TS]

00:58:21   myself and not using my bluetooth [TS]

00:58:24   speakers and sometimes because i want to [TS]

00:58:25   start by the people in my house so x is [TS]

00:58:27   just you know you just want to have your [TS]

00:58:28   own thing so i thought these would be [TS]

00:58:30   ideal because i wanted some of this for [TS]

00:58:32   a long time we're talking about it as [TS]

00:58:33   many you know like six months ago or a [TS]

00:58:34   year ago and about how wireless earbuds [TS]

00:58:37   and they mostly work the way i thought [TS]

00:58:42   they would a glad that you know the pair [TS]

00:58:45   with the phone sound comes out of them [TS]

00:58:47   no real problems the taking of thing out [TS]

00:58:50   of your ear to pause and putting it back [TS]

00:58:51   in actually works for the most part [TS]

00:58:53   exactly as advertised the construction [TS]

00:58:57   of them looks good [TS]

00:58:59   they sound more or less the same as i'm [TS]

00:59:01   not picky about their butts I'm just [TS]

00:59:02   letting the podcast or whatever as as [TS]

00:59:03   the other pods hear the things that [TS]

00:59:05   surprised me though what I I knew this [TS]

00:59:09   is the thing that I did but this really [TS]

00:59:11   hammered on how much should do it [TS]

00:59:13   apparently i adjust the volume a lot [TS]

00:59:15   require your butt in all sorts of [TS]

00:59:20   circumstance [TS]

00:59:20   why would i be adjusting the volume a [TS]

00:59:22   lot when I'm making dinner alone in the [TS]

00:59:24   kitchen by myself [TS]

00:59:25   well because sometimes the little [TS]

00:59:26   overhead fan is on and sometimes you run [TS]

00:59:28   the garbage disposal and sometimes [TS]

00:59:30   there's a pan sizzling and something you [TS]

00:59:33   know apparently I'm just like I'm a [TS]

00:59:35   climate micro adjust her you know my [TS]

00:59:37   crowd time a micromanager in the car i [TS]

00:59:39   am a volume micromanager with listening [TS]

00:59:42   to podcasts [TS]

00:59:44   I'm shocked that is huge and me as well [TS]

00:59:47   i tried going with can I squeeze the [TS]

00:59:49   little volume buttons with the thing in [TS]

00:59:51   my pocket like in my jeans pocket of my [TS]

00:59:53   jacket pocket as I'm walking before [TS]

00:59:54   walking like in the parking garage as [TS]

00:59:55   noisy as a car goes past with them and [TS]

00:59:57   you get on the street is not as noisy [TS]

00:59:58   but then the UPS truck [TS]

00:59:58   but then the UPS truck [TS]

01:00:00   driving passing again your podcast [TS]

01:00:01   against you need closet or make it [TS]

01:00:02   louder again taking the matter year is [TS]

01:00:04   not an option when you have a big thick [TS]

01:00:06   glove on anyway [TS]

01:00:08   volume adjustment is it's a no go at but [TS]

01:00:12   i think it would probably tolerate that [TS]

01:00:14   I putting it would probably just put in [TS]

01:00:15   a louder volume and just tolerate it and [TS]

01:00:17   just there are trying to learn to it [TS]

01:00:18   wasn't for the second thing which is I [TS]

01:00:22   pause the podcast a surprising amount of [TS]

01:00:25   time specifically when I'm in the [TS]

01:00:27   kitchen cooking because my wife will [TS]

01:00:29   come in and ask me something and go back [TS]

01:00:31   out or I want to ask her something or my [TS]

01:00:33   kids will come in and say something I [TS]

01:00:35   pause and play and pause and play a huge [TS]

01:00:37   amount taking out is not really an [TS]

01:00:41   option because then i have to have some [TS]

01:00:42   place to hold it and maybe my fingers [TS]

01:00:44   are gross enough that you know like it [TS]

01:00:46   too gross to be grabbing your butt just [TS]

01:00:48   gross enough for me is just my pinky and [TS]

01:00:50   my thumb depressed a little but I don't [TS]

01:00:52   know but like you know taking it out [TS]

01:00:55   just didn't feel I was afraid I was [TS]

01:00:57   gonna drop it down the disposal or not [TS]

01:00:58   keep track of where it is or then I had [TS]

01:01:00   you know then I'm occupying one hand [TS]

01:01:02   because I if I have to pause it to help [TS]

01:01:03   do something else and often actually i [TS]

01:01:05   will pause when I need to concentrate on [TS]

01:01:07   the important part of the blue aprons [TS]

01:01:08   recipe that I'm doing because i have to [TS]

01:01:10   read the instructions i want to pay [TS]

01:01:11   attention to the instructions and not be [TS]

01:01:13   like gloss over the river so sometimes [TS]

01:01:14   I'll pause when I'm alone in there just [TS]

01:01:16   because I need to concentrate slightly [TS]

01:01:17   more and i'm an active listener who [TS]

01:01:19   wants to listen to what they're doing [TS]

01:01:20   you have to pay that much attention [TS]

01:01:21   season with salt and pepper Washington [TS]

01:01:23   the first person I'm like well you see [TS]

01:01:26   it's easy to miss the fact that they [TS]

01:01:27   said only fry up a quarter of the [TS]

01:01:29   noodles not all of them because the [TS]

01:01:31   fried ones are just put on top and [TS]

01:01:32   you're supposed to boil the up you know [TS]

01:01:34   so now you find all the noodles and in [TS]

01:01:36   the in the chicken soup [TS]

01:01:39   I didn't but someone we both know did [TS]

01:01:40   exact all instructions and pause during [TS]

01:01:43   which there in that Parkin I'm just [TS]

01:01:44   saying it's possible to Madeline [TS]

01:01:45   goodness now anyway so I'm I'm pausing [TS]

01:01:49   and resuming now what about the double [TS]

01:01:50   tap [TS]

01:01:51   here's the is the thing that surprised [TS]

01:01:52   me I was like all right fine whatever [TS]

01:01:54   had to pause the biologists do the [TS]

01:01:55   double tap the double tap reliability [TS]

01:01:58   wise i found like Marco that it's not a [TS]

01:02:00   hundred percent reliable but I think you [TS]

01:02:02   can live with that [TS]

01:02:02   you know it's not a hundred percent [TS]

01:02:03   reliable pinching the little thing about [TS]

01:02:05   whatever i'll get by but i find it to be [TS]

01:02:07   incredibly physically unpleasant yes to [TS]

01:02:11   tap that things in my ear increase [TS]

01:02:13   terribly unpleasant like shockingly like [TS]

01:02:16   I didn't even occur to me to think about [TS]

01:02:17   how pleasant but you know that you know [TS]

01:02:19   how pleasant it is to get your buzz [TS]

01:02:20   yanked out every year by the wires but [TS]

01:02:21   never happen again with air buds [TS]

01:02:23   it's like that but you're doing it to [TS]

01:02:25   yourself you have to hit presently hard [TS]

01:02:27   and if you have to do it four times [TS]

01:02:28   instead of two like know if someone was [TS]

01:02:31   doing this to me i would punch them but [TS]

01:02:33   i'm thinking to myself I'm tapping think [TS]

01:02:37   that the modulus is it is terrible and I [TS]

01:02:41   just can't have sowed in the kitchen now [TS]

01:02:44   I'm back to using my wired earbuds [TS]

01:02:46   because pressing the little play pause [TS]

01:02:48   button is way more pleasant and way [TS]

01:02:51   faster and just you know and i also have [TS]

01:02:54   volume control so the the air pods are [TS]

01:02:57   banished from the kitchen for other [TS]

01:02:59   environments if I'm going out for a walk [TS]

01:03:01   or just you know anything that is like [TS]

01:03:04   out and about in the world including [TS]

01:03:06   mostly community you know walking [TS]

01:03:08   through the parking garage and down and [TS]

01:03:10   across the campus and up to like their [TS]

01:03:12   pods I think mostly still good for that [TS]

01:03:14   I was still using for that but for [TS]

01:03:16   obviously for non-exercise or non-mobile [TS]

01:03:19   things for in the house the wired [TS]

01:03:22   earpods have been them out for me [TS]

01:03:24   personally I'm not saying this is going [TS]

01:03:26   to be for you because everybody everyone [TS]

01:03:27   is different to say like as a review of [TS]

01:03:30   the product and the product works as [TS]

01:03:31   advertised and does exactly what [TS]

01:03:32   everyone says it does you can read the [TS]

01:03:33   reviews to see the feature set and so on [TS]

01:03:35   and so forth that you know there's no [TS]

01:03:36   volume control right but for me [TS]

01:03:38   personally the wired ones went for the [TS]

01:03:40   house so I got to tell you in my [TS]

01:03:46   personal opinion I find love these [TS]

01:03:48   things as it turns out listener of the [TS]

01:03:53   show who lives in richmond Matt Wallin [TS]

01:03:55   wrote me two nights ago there are two [TS]

01:03:58   nights ago and said hey I bought two [TS]

01:04:00   pairs one for my wife one for me and my [TS]

01:04:02   wife said yeah I'll pass things do you [TS]

01:04:04   want them and I said well yes yes I do [TS]

01:04:08   and so I met Matt at a local starbucks [TS]

01:04:11   sorry Marco and he was very nice and I [TS]

01:04:14   and it happens is very nice guy and I [TS]

01:04:17   gave him a very sketchy looking one of [TS]

01:04:19   twenty dollar bills and he gave me a [TS]

01:04:21   completely sealed air pots so i do have [TS]

01:04:25   their pods as it turns out [TS]

01:04:27   and i love these things there are [TS]

01:04:29   problems for sure i personally have not [TS]

01:04:32   run into the double tap thing because i [TS]

01:04:33   find that I've never ever ever double [TS]

01:04:35   tapping the air pod if I want to pause [TS]

01:04:38   i'll just pull one of them out of my ear [TS]

01:04:40   and I don't I haven't even thought to [TS]

01:04:44   use Siri for anything the pairing [TS]

01:04:47   process as you said was phenomenally [TS]

01:04:48   easy [TS]

01:04:49   I they showed up on my imac pretty much [TS]

01:04:52   immediately although is a little wonky [TS]

01:04:54   pair are getting them to to attach I [TS]

01:04:59   don't want to say pair because they were [TS]

01:05:00   prepared to the imac but getting them [TS]

01:05:02   active on the imac and we'll come back [TS]

01:05:04   to that in a second [TS]

01:05:05   it took a reboot to get them to show up [TS]

01:05:07   on my work computer but my work computer [TS]

01:05:09   as odd firewalls and security [TS]

01:05:11   restrictions and big business yada yada [TS]

01:05:13   yada but after reboot that did work just [TS]

01:05:16   fine i use them often on today at work I [TS]

01:05:19   use them as much as i would use my [TS]

01:05:22   traditional bluetooth headphones and at [TS]

01:05:24   the end of the day I the earbuds the air [TS]

01:05:29   pods were pretty much entirely charge [TS]

01:05:31   because the handful of times that I [TS]

01:05:33   would go and use the restroom or have a [TS]

01:05:36   chat with somebody or or auto go [TS]

01:05:38   downstairs to to nuke my my lunch i [TS]

01:05:42   would put them back in the case and that [TS]

01:05:44   would top them up in the case was down [TS]

01:05:46   to about fifty two percent now I did [TS]

01:05:48   leave work early today i left work at [TS]

01:05:50   about one o'clock and so this isn't a [TS]

01:05:52   perfect exemplar of a normal eight nine [TS]

01:05:56   hour workday but having worked over half [TS]

01:06:00   a day I the cases 52-percent and the [TS]

01:06:03   earbuds were for basically completely [TS]

01:06:06   charged i didn't have any grumbling or i [TS]

01:06:10   didn't i didn't find it frustrating to [TS]

01:06:12   not have any sort of playback controls [TS]

01:06:14   because most of the day I spent that [TS]

01:06:16   with them active on my work computer [TS]

01:06:18   where I have my keyboard play pause and [TS]

01:06:21   all that other stuff right there waiting [TS]

01:06:22   for me [TS]

01:06:23   the handful of other times i use them [TS]

01:06:25   throughout the day they were attached to [TS]

01:06:26   my iphone which was attached to me I can [TS]

01:06:28   absolutely see how it could be annoying [TS]

01:06:30   and John I totally understand what [TS]

01:06:31   you're saying and and I can totally see [TS]

01:06:33   why that would be frustrating that's not [TS]

01:06:35   something that has bothered me yet [TS]

01:06:37   Aaron every time she sees them season [TS]

01:06:40   with them in my ears very casually and [TS]

01:06:43   very politely reminds me how much for [TS]

01:06:44   more on I am or in peace how much what a [TS]

01:06:47   moron i look like which I think she's [TS]

01:06:49   kind of right about that they do look a [TS]

01:06:50   little goofy but i love these things the [TS]

01:06:53   one complaint I have is that i haven't [TS]

01:06:56   quite figured out the right dance in [TS]

01:06:59   order to get them to to mate if you will [TS]

01:07:03   that's probably not a good word for it [TS]

01:07:04   either but whatever you like me with a [TS]

01:07:06   desktop good with a with a laptop or [TS]

01:07:08   desktop as opposed to the phone because [TS]

01:07:10   the phone is pretty much always near me [TS]

01:07:12   and even if the phone is off in the [TS]

01:07:14   sense that it's it's it's not the the [TS]

01:07:16   display is not on and it's just sitting [TS]

01:07:18   there idly it seems like they really [TS]

01:07:21   want to connect to the phone first which [TS]

01:07:23   i think i understand but i'll start [TS]

01:07:26   playing like a podcaster music or [TS]

01:07:28   what-have-you on save my work laptop and [TS]

01:07:30   that doesn't seem to be enough now maybe [TS]

01:07:33   this is user error and I just haven't [TS]

01:07:34   like broken the code on the right [TS]

01:07:35   sequence of events to do but it wasn't [TS]

01:07:39   until I went to the bluetooth menu item [TS]

01:07:41   and then went to my ear pods and then [TS]

01:07:42   said connect that they would wake up in [TS]

01:07:45   and start to to connect to my work [TS]

01:07:47   computer [TS]

01:07:48   it was also very briefly discerning [TS]

01:07:50   their dinner if it's just really weird [TS]

01:07:52   thats thank you that's what i was [TS]

01:07:54   looking for that I would hear audio out [TS]

01:07:57   of the right here first consistently and [TS]

01:07:59   then the left here now it was for a [TS]

01:08:01   flash just barely enough for me to tell [TS]

01:08:03   that there was a difference and then [TS]

01:08:04   they never got out of sync after that [TS]

01:08:06   but that was a little weird but all in [TS]

01:08:09   all I love these things and the and i [TS]

01:08:12   think a large part of the reason that i [TS]

01:08:14   love these things is because it reminds [TS]

01:08:17   me of the idealized apple that we all [TS]

01:08:20   love and I think we're probably going to [TS]

01:08:21   talk about the other kind of Apple that [TS]

01:08:23   might be the apple of today here in a [TS]

01:08:25   few minutes but the at the apple that [TS]

01:08:28   ship these the apple today that ship [TS]

01:08:30   these air pods is the Apple that I love [TS]

01:08:33   the most and the one that is whimsical [TS]

01:08:36   and has soul and has energy and has fun [TS]

01:08:40   and god i love these things and just [TS]

01:08:42   doing a little flip [TS]

01:08:44   I don't know if that's you know through [TS]

01:08:46   on the mic but oh god just doing that [TS]

01:08:48   I'm gonna break this damn case from [TS]

01:08:49   doing that constantly so satisfying it's [TS]

01:08:51   so satisfying and then pick the magnets [TS]

01:08:54   that kind of like suck the air pods into [TS]

01:08:56   the case yes super satisfying so good i [TS]

01:08:59   love these things i do think a hundred [TS]

01:09:01   sixty dollars is pretty steep why I'm [TS]

01:09:04   not saying it's not fair [TS]

01:09:05   honestly 44 what you're getting in the [TS]

01:09:08   competitive landscape of decent [TS]

01:09:11   bluetooth earbuds especially separate [TS]

01:09:14   ones because it like the level of [TS]

01:09:15   complexity to make them not have a wire [TS]

01:09:18   that goes between them is very like [TS]

01:09:20   that's it that's a very cutting anything [TS]

01:09:22   very few other things in the market can [TS]

01:09:24   do that right now and and they all have [TS]

01:09:26   massive challenges in making that happen [TS]

01:09:28   and making it work well because the way [TS]

01:09:31   bluetooth works basically but uh for [TS]

01:09:33   what you're getting here [TS]

01:09:35   I think they're actually well-priced [TS]

01:09:37   they're like it's not like a [TS]

01:09:39   bargain-basement like you know gonna [TS]

01:09:40   blow the doors off with pricing only [TS]

01:09:42   kind of thing but it is a it is a fair [TS]

01:09:44   price for what you're getting [TS]

01:09:46   yeah that's their ages it i'm not saying [TS]

01:09:49   it's not a fair price is just a hundred [TS]

01:09:51   sixty dollars is a lot of money for for [TS]

01:09:53   what appears to be physically not that [TS]

01:09:55   much now in reality you're exactly right [TS]

01:09:57   that there's a lot there and in fact [TS]

01:09:59   getting it so small is a big freaking [TS]

01:10:01   deal but I love these things I am [TS]

01:10:05   surprised how much alive and i knew i [TS]

01:10:06   was going to like them but i really [TS]

01:10:09   liked them a lot and there's a little [TS]

01:10:10   you know there's a rough spot here and [TS]

01:10:12   there like you guys are saying about [TS]

01:10:13   double-tapping again maybe its user [TS]

01:10:15   error but I haven't really gotten the [TS]

01:10:16   sync between computer and phone working [TS]

01:10:19   quite right but have like the the [TS]

01:10:22   bluetooth headphones that i use a work [TS]

01:10:23   which I've talked about incessantly for [TS]

01:10:25   the entire run of the show their [TS]

01:10:26   terrible headphones but they're there [TS]

01:10:28   they work consistently however they were [TS]

01:10:31   consistently in part because i only ever [TS]

01:10:34   have them paired to one computer at a [TS]

01:10:35   time right these air pods are paired to [TS]

01:10:38   a work computer and I mac and iphone and [TS]

01:10:40   ipad and don't blink an eye [TS]

01:10:42   and i only had to really do the pairing [TS]

01:10:44   once and that is freaking magic and for [TS]

01:10:48   that [TS]

01:10:49   that alone makes me super enthusiastic [TS]

01:10:51   and and and i know that silly i [TS]

01:10:54   recognize how silly that is but just [TS]

01:10:57   having the flexibility to use these [TS]

01:10:59   things with whatever I want basically no [TS]

01:11:02   more difficult in an interview in a way [TS]

01:11:04   that's no more difficult and unplugging [TS]

01:11:06   replugging a que [TS]

01:11:07   that's just awesome so I love him I [TS]

01:11:10   really do [TS]

01:11:11   yeah and there are other bluetooth [TS]

01:11:12   headphones on the market that support [TS]

01:11:14   being paired to multiple devices at the [TS]

01:11:16   same time and having some way to to [TS]

01:11:19   choose between them were to be [TS]

01:11:20   simultaneously connected like that does [TS]

01:11:22   exist in other headphones but none of [TS]

01:11:24   them do it quite to this level they like [TS]

01:11:26   they like to be it to have like this [TS]

01:11:27   especially like the way they basically [TS]

01:11:29   sink the pairing to all the other iCloud [TS]

01:11:31   devices and like you know if you have an [TS]

01:11:33   Apple watch it will just show up as as [TS]

01:11:35   like an airplane output device like the [TS]

01:11:37   same way an airplane Wi-Fi show up it [TS]

01:11:38   shows up on your devices like that it's [TS]

01:11:39   like if you have if you're sharing [TS]

01:11:41   between as you like a laptop and and [TS]

01:11:43   phone or phone and iPad or all the above [TS]

01:11:45   like it it is way easier with the air [TS]

01:11:48   pods then with anything else I've ever [TS]

01:11:50   used from to have it on more than two [TS]

01:11:52   devices [TS]

01:11:53   yeah so two thumbs up I know I'm one [TS]

01:11:56   person in that week [TS]

01:11:58   did you see that feedback we got way [TS]

01:11:59   back when that one person can say two [TS]

01:12:01   thumbs up but anyway [TS]

01:12:03   two thumbs up for me anyway everything [TS]

01:12:05   so much i like them yeah there are any [TS]

01:12:07   other thoughts on your pods from either [TS]

01:12:09   of you two before we move on about the [TS]

01:12:12   the hardware i was thinking about how [TS]

01:12:13   you know how these things are so close [TS]

01:12:16   to being just take the regular pausing [TS]

01:12:18   cut off the wires and like if we had [TS]

01:12:20   seen this exact thing in like a nineties [TS]

01:12:25   sci-fi movie wouldn't like that so fake [TS]

01:12:28   and ya know a thing like that [TS]

01:12:30   absolutely we are like they've done such [TS]

01:12:33   an incredible job of not having this [TS]

01:12:36   look like a thing that plays audio plus [TS]

01:12:39   a big blob that has the electronics in [TS]

01:12:41   it right like it because it's an object [TS]

01:12:43   that we've seen so often these white [TS]

01:12:45   earpods that have been on the market for [TS]

01:12:47   a long time just like a slightly sticker [TS]

01:12:49   thicker skin it just appears to be magic [TS]

01:12:51   that's part of our respond to like that [TS]

01:12:53   is a magical a minute [TS]

01:12:54   it's low level magick you know it's not [TS]

01:12:56   it's not you know you know levitate a [TS]

01:13:00   mountain magic but it is low level [TS]

01:13:02   magick like we know it [TS]

01:13:04   it is surprising that it works and you [TS]

01:13:06   very quickly you get used to it but it's [TS]

01:13:09   it's very impressive in terms of this [TS]

01:13:11   this is the magic of design of like [TS]

01:13:13   making a thing that looks boring and [TS]

01:13:16   simple but then like if you look at the [TS]

01:13:17   ifixit teardown and realize what they [TS]

01:13:19   shoved in there [TS]

01:13:19   and what it manages to do and just it's [TS]

01:13:23   it's fairly incredible that even the [TS]

01:13:25   basics work i think they made sacrifices [TS]

01:13:28   to do that like by not having a wire you [TS]

01:13:30   sacrifice the ability to have a little [TS]

01:13:31   dongle by making them so small and [TS]

01:13:34   perfect you sacrifice the ability to [TS]

01:13:35   have like a little touch area we slide [TS]

01:13:37   your finger up and down the volume [TS]

01:13:37   control like it wouldn't be the same [TS]

01:13:39   magic with that I still would like a [TS]

01:13:42   little extra dongle that would maybe let [TS]

01:13:44   me use these that I could you know play [TS]

01:13:46   pause or whatever like a clip into my [TS]

01:13:47   belt or something who knows what the [TS]

01:13:48   hell i would do with it [TS]

01:13:49   I'm and yes we've seen the ones that are [TS]

01:13:51   on the market like that i wish more than [TS]

01:13:54   had buttons that I could feel without [TS]

01:13:55   looking instead of being a uniform [TS]

01:13:57   circular whatever but anyway [TS]

01:13:59   hardware-wise this is a pretty big home [TS]

01:14:02   run I think other minor details a couple [TS]

01:14:05   of the chatroom we're talking about my [TS]

01:14:07   how I didn't like tapping in my ear [TS]

01:14:09   doesn't matter where I tap it i tried [TS]

01:14:11   every location you can tap the thing i [TS]

01:14:12   tried tapping you know the stem part the [TS]

01:14:15   end the middle the parts in my er [TS]

01:14:17   tapping light-heavy tapping next to it [TS]

01:14:20   not actually that like every combination [TS]

01:14:22   that actually causes it to play pause or [TS]

01:14:25   to activate or whatever i'm really [TS]

01:14:26   changed the plans that didn't bother [TS]

01:14:28   with a serious thing but yeah anyway at [TS]

01:14:30   any location i find very unpleasant the [TS]

01:14:33   other thing that my wife wanted out [TS]

01:14:35   after you know for me giving these a [TS]

01:14:37   trial run is that the signal that you [TS]

01:14:42   send other people if they try to talk to [TS]

01:14:45   you and you turned look at them and [TS]

01:14:47   DoubleTap year is kind of like you're [TS]

01:14:49   saying haha i'm listening to something [TS]

01:14:51   here like as you point her here [TS]

01:14:53   hello hello see the thing in my ear was [TS]

01:14:56   exactly single you do not want to send [TS]

01:14:58   good teams like you know because you do [TS]

01:15:00   turn to face them and then you tell you [TS]

01:15:02   DoubleTap you're like you're pointing to [TS]

01:15:04   it especially if you have to do it four [TS]

01:15:05   times you go one two three four it seems [TS]

01:15:07   like you're saying you know you see the [TS]

01:15:10   earpods don't try to talk to me which [TS]

01:15:12   let me tell you doesn't go over big [TS]

01:15:13   I'm just trying to play pause so I'm not [TS]

01:15:16   quite sure I think obviously you're [TS]

01:15:17   meant to just remove one from your ear [TS]

01:15:19   which does the same which also causes it [TS]

01:15:21   like that's obviously like the more [TS]

01:15:22   common thing you're supposed to do right [TS]

01:15:23   right yeah [TS]

01:15:24   but I'd like that i'm removing is just a [TS]

01:15:27   non-starter for me like an in that [TS]

01:15:28   environment like is a even if only [TS]

01:15:30   because that means i have to receive [TS]

01:15:31   them and I'm i'm grabbing the thing with [TS]

01:15:33   my grubby fingers again I mean become [TS]

01:15:35   much better at tapping little thing one [TS]

01:15:38   thing that a lot of us who just received [TS]

01:15:40   our your pods notice the similar story [TS]

01:15:42   of receiving them you know a couple days [TS]

01:15:44   ago in the Northeast anyway it's very [TS]

01:15:47   cold and you get the package at you know [TS]

01:15:50   and you open up and you want to try [TS]

01:15:51   mountain because they're so cold and [TS]

01:15:52   have these tiny little batteries that [TS]

01:15:53   are frozen and lithium-ion batteries do [TS]

01:15:55   not do well when they're frozen [TS]

01:15:57   I got them and it's like oh these things [TS]

01:15:59   need to be charged like they're not you [TS]

01:16:01   know I i opened up immediately and [TS]

01:16:02   started to pair but then it was like you [TS]

01:16:04   know low battery wherever I go you know [TS]

01:16:05   I just gonna have the box maybe they [TS]

01:16:07   don't have a charger to charge them so i [TS]

01:16:08   want to plug them in the time it took me [TS]

01:16:10   to take them over to the other room and [TS]

01:16:12   find a lightning cable and plug it in [TS]

01:16:14   like all of a sudden there were you know [TS]

01:16:16   they appeared as on my phone was being [TS]

01:16:18   with me was like oh they're almost [TS]

01:16:19   already charged really was just the [TS]

01:16:20   battery starting out like so if you do [TS]

01:16:22   get it and it's cold and you're anxious [TS]

01:16:26   to open the package like given five [TS]

01:16:28   minutes to warm up like they usually do [TS]

01:16:30   come with some amount of charge in them [TS]

01:16:32   it's not as if they charge in five [TS]

01:16:33   seconds they didn't they just thought [TS]

01:16:35   out so chill when you're the reverse of [TS]

01:16:37   she'll let them unchill when you getting [TS]

01:16:39   more match finally I may be a factor for [TS]

01:16:42   people who run in the cold this is what [TS]

01:16:44   I'm thinking about like these are the [TS]

01:16:46   exercise [TS]

01:16:46   well our pods now if it's in your ears [TS]

01:16:49   you're going to keep more of the bigger [TS]

01:16:50   issue would be if you liked leave them [TS]

01:16:52   in your car all day and your car's [TS]

01:16:53   parked outside and you come back to your [TS]

01:16:55   car and they have been there and they're [TS]

01:16:56   frozen that's going to be the bigger [TS]

01:16:57   issue [TS]

01:16:58   yeah don't leave them in your car but i [TS]

01:16:59   was thinking like for these it seems [TS]

01:17:01   like they'd be ideal for exercise as [TS]

01:17:02   well especially I know they're I don't [TS]

01:17:04   want to go into things that are probably [TS]

01:17:06   not public but anyway I would love to be [TS]

01:17:10   able to play podcast from my watch [TS]

01:17:11   locally on to my ear pods went out for [TS]

01:17:15   like a run or something and not have my [TS]

01:17:17   phone with me at all for a lightweight [TS]

01:17:19   over way to do this without wires that [TS]

01:17:21   is very appealing to me i'm looking [TS]

01:17:23   forward to something like that the [TS]

01:17:24   summer if possible [TS]

01:17:27   what if it's possible we could talk i'm [TS]

01:17:30   not entirely mr. possible i know and i [TS]

01:17:33   don't want my on talk anyway you can you [TS]

01:17:36   can talk about that later on the final [TS]

01:17:37   thing is [TS]

01:17:38   the case is awesome looking a little [TS]

01:17:39   thing is awesome pulling the earpods out [TS]

01:17:42   of the cases sometimes less than awesome [TS]

01:17:44   because they are held in there by weak [TS]

01:17:47   magnets but there's not really a good [TS]

01:17:50   place for you to grab yeah that's been [TS]

01:17:52   and guess what guess what year is on [TS]

01:17:53   your pods eventually your wax mhm which [TS]

01:17:57   can be kind of slippery if you're a [TS]

01:17:59   greasy italian like me to make the [TS]

01:18:03   earpods greasy and sometimes I'm trying [TS]

01:18:06   to remove a greasy ear pod from a tiny [TS]

01:18:08   little case and it's slippery and [TS]

01:18:10   sometimes a little bit difficult to get [TS]

01:18:12   them out as always say anyway yeah like [TS]

01:18:18   I I in closing I agree with casey like [TS]

01:18:23   this these are such a good product if [TS]

01:18:25   this is apple at its best [TS]

01:18:27   like this is the kind of thing that most [TS]

01:18:30   people don't do as well as Apple it's [TS]

01:18:32   them tackling an incredibly complicated [TS]

01:18:35   problem both it's a it's a serious [TS]

01:18:37   technology challenged any serious design [TS]

01:18:40   challenge and i don't mean that in just [TS]

01:18:42   the way it looks I mean a lot of design [TS]

01:18:44   choices that go into it [TS]

01:18:46   this is a serious challenge and Apple [TS]

01:18:49   really did a really good job with it [TS]

01:18:51   I wish they'd fit me they don't but for [TS]

01:18:54   people who they fit you should really [TS]

01:18:56   consider picking these up because [TS]

01:18:58   they're really really quite good i don't [TS]

01:19:01   fit thing by the way i'm trying to think [TS]

01:19:03   about you know because there are people [TS]

01:19:04   with interesting figures everyone's ears [TS]

01:19:06   are different right [TS]

01:19:07   that's not much you can do about it [TS]

01:19:08   because Apple only sells one shape do [TS]

01:19:11   you think it would [TS]

01:19:12   would it help you do you think they sold [TS]

01:19:14   them like three sizes like standard and [TS]

01:19:16   like a smaller and a bigger or like I [TS]

01:19:18   don't know if the problem is that there [TS]

01:19:19   to bigger to smaller shaped wrong or [TS]

01:19:20   whatever but like obviously apple that [TS]

01:19:23   the whole big thing when it first came [TS]

01:19:24   out with the earpods the wire was long [TS]

01:19:25   time ago we measured a million years and [TS]

01:19:27   they try to go for the you know the [TS]

01:19:29   shape that will fit the most years and [TS]

01:19:30   they probably did they would probably [TS]

01:19:32   nailed this [TS]

01:19:33   this is a shape that fits the most [TS]

01:19:35   possible years with a single shape but [TS]

01:19:37   with a single shape you're never gonna [TS]

01:19:39   fit all the years i do you think they [TS]

01:19:42   could eventually expand to have two or [TS]

01:19:44   three different sizes and if they did [TS]

01:19:46   you think that would help your fit [TS]

01:19:48   because i don't know exactly what the [TS]

01:19:49   problem is [TS]

01:19:49   but I would imagine if it's falling out [TS]

01:19:51   it's probably either you know too small [TS]

01:19:54   so it's not gripping as the edges or too [TS]

01:19:56   big that you can't really get a wedge in [TS]

01:19:57   there right i mean i also don't know [TS]

01:19:59   what the problem is but assuming that [TS]

01:20:02   that would be a problem that they could [TS]

01:20:03   address that way i don't think they [TS]

01:20:05   would I I don't think it's it would be [TS]

01:20:08   their style to sell earpods in three [TS]

01:20:11   different sizes and so watching to his [TS]

01:20:13   eyes especially because I think about [TS]

01:20:14   like like you know when when somebody [TS]

01:20:16   returns and your pod they cannot do [TS]

01:20:19   anything with that like they can't [TS]

01:20:21   resell it [TS]

01:20:22   they can probably refurbish it if they [TS]

01:20:23   can get all the crap out but they [TS]

01:20:25   probably can't is probably not what [TS]

01:20:26   they're gonna research guarantee when [TS]

01:20:28   you put your 70 bucks I guarantee you're [TS]

01:20:30   getting somebody else's your pot maybe [TS]

01:20:32   but it's probably you know because it's [TS]

01:20:35   been somebody's ear like there's like a [TS]

01:20:36   lot of like issues anyway so like they [TS]

01:20:38   have to totally refurbished that if they [TS]

01:20:40   sold them in three different sizes they [TS]

01:20:42   get so many more returns from people who [TS]

01:20:45   they didn't fit and they think you know [TS]

01:20:46   what this is the wrong size [TS]

01:20:47   let me try this other sighs now and they [TS]

01:20:49   get that you got it then and they know [TS]

01:20:51   that turn that doesn't fit me either [TS]

01:20:52   it's like that would be problematic also [TS]

01:20:54   gonna have trials in the store they [TS]

01:20:56   should have like little inert plugs that [TS]

01:20:58   they like doused in alcohol between you [TS]

01:21:01   know like you know me I'm gonna wipe [TS]

01:21:02   down all that they wiped out all the [TS]

01:21:04   stuff in the store and you haven't [TS]

01:21:05   already [TS]

01:21:06   they didn't know they do that for all [TS]

01:21:07   the phones and everything like that [TS]

01:21:08   there are all those German transference [TS]

01:21:10   devices anyway and the for sure [TS]

01:21:12   yeah they'd wipe them down with these [TS]

01:21:14   disinfecting wipes like I don't know all [TS]

01:21:16   day long and also witnessed yeah but [TS]

01:21:18   like they're not going to like open [TS]

01:21:19   little drawer under the table that [TS]

01:21:20   you're not supposed to exist and put a [TS]

01:21:22   tray of your plugs and be like here it's [TS]

01:21:25   not like that's not know they were they [TS]

01:21:28   would rather take the return hit but [TS]

01:21:29   they like to try and watch us to see [TS]

01:21:31   which size fits you they do have two [TS]

01:21:32   different sizes of watch [TS]

01:21:34   yes but that's not putting something [TS]

01:21:35   inside of you yeah and you can see it [TS]

01:21:37   and and more i think most of the time [TS]

01:21:39   like you know you can just know by [TS]

01:21:41   trying out for a second that that make [TS]

01:21:42   it then they can reuse that wanted that [TS]

01:21:44   you tried on but yeah it's like that's [TS]

01:21:46   it that's very different [TS]

01:21:48   the chatroom says they do air pod try on [TS]

01:21:50   and they wipe them down [TS]

01:21:52   really you already anyway so the other [TS]

01:21:55   thing is like I don't really see today's [TS]

01:22:01   apple [TS]

01:22:02   as carrying a whole lot about edge cases [TS]

01:22:04   and so anything that they consider an [TS]

01:22:09   edge case it's they they kind of by [TS]

01:22:12   their actions or lack thereof have been [TS]

01:22:15   giving the middle finger to recently so [TS]

01:22:17   I I can't imagine that that they would [TS]

01:22:20   care because it really matters what [TS]

01:22:22   percentage of the hit because again [TS]

01:22:23   they're all things like we measure [TS]

01:22:24   thousands of years and we tried to run [TS]

01:22:26   one shape that would fit the largest [TS]

01:22:27   number of them if that number is like [TS]

01:22:29   ninety-five percent not they're never [TS]

01:22:30   gonna do anything four percent but if [TS]

01:22:32   it's seventy percent I think eventually [TS]

01:22:35   they could be convinced that seventy [TS]

01:22:37   percent is too low and so either change [TS]

01:22:39   the shape of the one that we're selling [TS]

01:22:41   to try to get 80 or 90 or if you can't [TS]

01:22:43   then you know i'm sure they gather this [TS]

01:22:45   information of like people buy these [TS]

01:22:47   things and fill out a survey or [TS]

01:22:49   complaints they do do that every time [TS]

01:22:50   you buy something and it seems like [TS]

01:22:52   every time I buy something I get one of [TS]

01:22:53   the surveys and they ask you a very [TS]

01:22:55   pointed questions about stuff like that [TS]

01:22:57   if they ask anyone any questions about [TS]

01:22:58   your pods or air pods guarantee one of [TS]

01:23:01   the questions we do find that it falls [TS]

01:23:02   out do you feel like it fits well as a [TS]

01:23:03   comfortable like this is one of the [TS]

01:23:06   pillar items of this product is they [TS]

01:23:09   want to know you know when people put in [TS]

01:23:13   their ears and doesn't do the job of you [TS]

01:23:14   know playing music reliably and staying [TS]

01:23:16   in their ears and doing was supposed to [TS]

01:23:17   do and it seems like I seems to me [TS]

01:23:19   anecdotally that I think they're already [TS]

01:23:21   are getting a really high percent or so [TS]

01:23:22   I think you're right that they're [TS]

01:23:23   probably not ever gonna do anything [TS]

01:23:24   about that but if if i'm wrong and there [TS]

01:23:29   really a little low percentage i would [TS]

01:23:30   say hi is like 80 or 90 and low as 70 or [TS]

01:23:32   lower if i'm wrong and they are low [TS]

01:23:34   I think they will do something to try to [TS]

01:23:36   address that because seventy percent is [TS]

01:23:37   not is not a hi-fi that I think they [TS]

01:23:40   would like to sell products like this [TS]

01:23:43   two more than seventy percent of their [TS]

01:23:44   customers and granted they're likely to [TS]

01:23:45   buy beats by whatever like it's you know [TS]

01:23:47   its third-party ecosystem so on and so [TS]

01:23:49   forth as long as its does bluetooth has [TS]

01:23:51   a lightning connector haha it'll be fine [TS]

01:23:54   but and also like one a product is [TS]

01:23:57   really mature than and you have nothing [TS]

01:23:59   left to do that's when you start [TS]

01:24:00   diversifying so we'll give it a few [TS]

01:24:02   years but i i i i think the first thing [TS]

01:24:05   we would try it may be tweaking the [TS]

01:24:06   design and they would say oh now the [TS]

01:24:08   all-new air pods three years from now [TS]

01:24:11   with a slightly different shape that we [TS]

01:24:12   think it's more wider variety of years [TS]

01:24:15   maybe not Marcus oh no don't ever fit my [TS]

01:24:18   and you know I don't really hold against [TS]

01:24:21   them in this particular case it going [TS]

01:24:22   because what can you do [TS]

01:24:24   yeah i mean i don't because I don't even [TS]

01:24:25   know what the problem is you know so [TS]

01:24:27   it's you know that's that's fine i I'm [TS]

01:24:30   perfectly fine with other headphones i [TS]

01:24:32   would be happy with their pods but I [TS]

01:24:34   also do like having a lot of good [TS]

01:24:35   controls on my headphones and my little [TS]

01:24:38   more isolation sometimes so that's nice [TS]

01:24:40   anyway i'm reviewing a bug shield you'll [TS]

01:24:42   hear about them later just to avoid the [TS]

01:24:45   feedback that will get I what do you [TS]

01:24:48   make of this theory that these were [TS]

01:24:50   originally supposed to charge me USBC [TS]

01:24:52   based on the size and shape of the [TS]

01:24:55   receptacle the Lightning receptacle and [TS]

01:24:58   then at the last second they said no [TS]

01:24:59   just kidding let's use lightning i [TS]

01:25:01   personally don't really buy it i have [TS]

01:25:04   plugged in official first-party cable [TS]

01:25:06   into my ear pods case right now [TS]

01:25:07   yes it does it does look ever so [TS]

01:25:11   slightly bigger the receptacle does but [TS]

01:25:14   and I don't have a USBC connector handy [TS]

01:25:16   but I this this seems like a really weak [TS]

01:25:19   argument to me what do you think John [TS]

01:25:21   know that I don't buy that one [TS]

01:25:24   mostly because if you remember we talked [TS]

01:25:27   about the fat lightning connector that [TS]

01:25:28   it didn't like plugging into the bottom [TS]

01:25:30   of the iphone 7 that the larger one that [TS]

01:25:33   has the chip and because as the back and [TS]

01:25:35   everything like that if you plug that [TS]

01:25:37   into the case which immediately makes no [TS]

01:25:38   sense because it's a headphone right but [TS]

01:25:40   if you plug that into the case it [TS]

01:25:42   perfectly covers the opening like it [TS]

01:25:44   looks perfect [TS]

01:25:45   it looks exactly like it was made to [TS]

01:25:47   plug in there right if you plug in one [TS]

01:25:48   of the older ones or if you plug in the [TS]

01:25:51   lightning cable that is hidden at the [TS]

01:25:52   bottom of your box that you may not have [TS]

01:25:53   found if you have air pods by the way [TS]

01:25:55   look at the bottom of the box it comes [TS]

01:25:57   with lightning cable for charging which [TS]

01:25:59   as Marco points out has a USB a [TS]

01:26:00   connector on the end courage [TS]

01:26:02   yep that one does not cover the ends of [TS]

01:26:07   the connector and you can see this [TS]

01:26:08   little part speaking out and it looks [TS]

01:26:09   weird you like what's the deal Johnny [TS]

01:26:10   I've but I had like here's the memories [TS]

01:26:14   and I don't think it was us bc but i [TS]

01:26:17   think apple charges stuff with lightning [TS]

01:26:20   connectors all of its iOS devices [TS]

01:26:22   charged with lightening creams everybody [TS]

01:26:24   who has apple crap has a bunch of [TS]

01:26:26   lightning connectors to charge stuff [TS]

01:26:28   what in the world would they make this [TS]

01:26:29   one thing charged now with the Lightning [TS]

01:26:32   connector so I think you know the only [TS]

01:26:36   thing I could think of was like what [TS]

01:26:37   does that mean that every lightning [TS]

01:26:38   connector is going to be out these fat [TS]

01:26:40   ones even if they don't have the [TS]

01:26:41   dachshund chips in them like the boulder [TS]

01:26:44   plan on charging cables we find hope not [TS]

01:26:46   because I like the fat 1i liked the [TS]

01:26:47   skinny ones so i don't really have a [TS]

01:26:49   good explanation but I have a hard time [TS]

01:26:51   thinking of any reason that this one [TS]

01:26:53   particular peripheral would charge with [TS]

01:26:55   USB see unless they're gonna go USBC [TS]

01:26:57   everywhere it seems entirely unlikely [TS]

01:26:59   because it's still bigger and so on and [TS]

01:27:01   so forth but yeah but it is an [TS]

01:27:03   interesting theory i would love to know [TS]

01:27:06   the actual explanation and I guess if we [TS]

01:27:08   wait a year and every single lightning [TS]

01:27:10   cable now comes with the fat connector [TS]

01:27:11   there's your explanation because it [TS]

01:27:13   looks perfect on this thing [TS]

01:27:14   Marco what do you think John cover it [TS]

01:27:17   well basically like it yes there is this [TS]

01:27:19   weird gap that is kind of an apple like [TS]

01:27:21   to have this weird-looking mismatch it's [TS]

01:27:24   extra weird that the cable that comes in [TS]

01:27:26   the box doesn't fill the gap properly [TS]

01:27:28   but I i also would think it would be [TS]

01:27:31   very strange to have this charger USB [TS]

01:27:33   see given the current lineup because all [TS]

01:27:35   of their other accessories like that are [TS]

01:27:38   that are this size and in this area and [TS]

01:27:41   yeah alright yeah that's that's old that [TS]

01:27:44   its own weird charging thing but like [TS]

01:27:46   everything else charges by lightning [TS]

01:27:49   that's like this in the Apple world so [TS]

01:27:51   yeah I would be very surprised if it [TS]

01:27:53   didn't and it would actually be I think [TS]

01:27:56   less convenient for most people if it [TS]

01:27:58   charged for us bc because if you are [TS]

01:28:01   using these you're almost certainly [TS]

01:28:03   using them with iphone and you are going [TS]

01:28:05   to have little lightning cables all over [TS]

01:28:08   your house or car or work or all of the [TS]

01:28:10   above to charge your phone where you are [TS]

01:28:13   hidden in the most you know in most [TS]

01:28:15   cases so you're always going to have the [TS]

01:28:18   ability to talk to charge something that [TS]

01:28:20   charges by lightning [TS]

01:28:21   if you if you own the air pods so it [TS]

01:28:24   makes total sense to have these also [TS]

01:28:26   charged by lightning and it would not [TS]

01:28:28   make a lot of sense in real-world use [TS]

01:28:30   for who's actually buying these and how [TS]

01:28:32   they're actually using them to have to [TS]

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01:30:09   over the last couple of days but there's [TS]

01:30:12   been a little bit of chatter about the [TS]

01:30:15   state of the mac this started I at least [TS]

01:30:19   as far as I'm aware by a back-and-forth [TS]

01:30:22   Q&A some sort of thing that happened on [TS]

01:30:25   some sort of internal Apple message [TS]

01:30:27   board that of course got leaked and it [TS]

01:30:30   has Tim Cook discussing the the future [TS]

01:30:35   the mac and I don't have the exact quote [TS]

01:30:38   in front of me but he says basically [TS]

01:30:40   hate imac is great oh ok [TS]

01:30:42   would you mind jumping then please yeah [TS]

01:30:43   so the question from my guess an [TS]

01:30:45   employee was with a big mac pro launched [TS]

01:30:47   in october and powerful upgrade the [TS]

01:30:49   macbook back in the spring our mac [TS]

01:30:50   desktops strategic for us and so Tim [TS]

01:30:54   Cook basically several summers little [TS]

01:30:56   bit he says the desktop is very teaching [TS]

01:30:57   for its unique there's no football that [TS]

01:31:00   he says the current generation imac is [TS]

01:31:02   the best desktop we've ever made and [TS]

01:31:03   it's beautiful retina 5k display is the [TS]

01:31:05   best desktop display in the world some [TS]

01:31:07   folks in the media have raised the [TS]

01:31:08   question of whether we're committed to [TS]

01:31:09   desktops if there's any doubt about that [TS]

01:31:11   with our team's let me be very clear we [TS]

01:31:13   have great desktops in our roadmap [TS]

01:31:15   nobody should worry about that so so [TS]

01:31:18   this [TS]

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01:31:24   yeah well wasn't that bad let's be [TS]

01:31:26   honest but it wasn't that much better [TS]

01:31:27   here's the thing this was an opportunity [TS]

01:31:30   that Tim Cook shows to take to reassure [TS]

01:31:34   people who really care about Max and [TS]

01:31:37   specifically mac desktops to to reassure [TS]

01:31:39   them that Apple still has their needs [TS]

01:31:42   covered and has any and plans to keep [TS]

01:31:45   covering their needs and Tim basically [TS]

01:31:49   gave information let's answer that [TS]

01:31:50   committed to nothing that had even less [TS]

01:31:53   hope than the last time somebody asking [TS]

01:31:54   about this that resulted in 2013 mac pro [TS]

01:31:56   where he said like we have something for [TS]

01:31:57   our program is coming later next year [TS]

01:31:59   whenever that was 2012 problem if he had [TS]

01:32:03   anything positive to say about any mac [TS]

01:32:06   desktop other than the imac I think he [TS]

01:32:09   probably would have made a stronger [TS]

01:32:10   implication about that or or would have [TS]

01:32:11   used some different wording Tim Cook [TS]

01:32:13   chooses his words very carefully he knew [TS]

01:32:15   by writing this he knew that somebody [TS]

01:32:17   would leak it so he was obviously [TS]

01:32:19   writing it [TS]

01:32:20   with that in mind because he's a smart [TS]

01:32:21   person though these things work and [TS]

01:32:23   again he chooses words very carefully if [TS]

01:32:26   he had anything more reassuring to say [TS]

01:32:29   about mac desktops he would have said it [TS]

01:32:31   so the fact that he didn't is actually a [TS]

01:32:35   little unsettling even even more [TS]

01:32:37   unsettling that I think that if then if [TS]

01:32:39   we didn't have this interaction with [TS]

01:32:41   them that like if we had no information [TS]

01:32:43   that would i be a little more confident [TS]

01:32:46   with that then than what we have here [TS]

01:32:48   which is basically him saying we have [TS]

01:32:51   desktops covered with the imac like [TS]

01:32:53   that's basically what he's saying here [TS]

01:32:54   and I don't and look I'm I'm talking to [TS]

01:32:59   you from an imac i have an imac right [TS]

01:33:02   here i sold an underperforming older [TS]

01:33:05   older generation processor mac pro to [TS]

01:33:08   get this imac because the imac [TS]

01:33:09   outperformed it but that's not a problem [TS]

01:33:12   like that the problem there is not that [TS]

01:33:14   mac pros are terrible it's that the [TS]

01:33:17   macros we have right now are not [TS]

01:33:19   competitive and are not a very good bye [TS]

01:33:22   and are not keeping kept up-to-date the [TS]

01:33:24   you know I i wrote months ago now like [TS]

01:33:27   you know how why I care about the mac [TS]

01:33:29   pro so much and why I think it needs to [TS]

01:33:31   remain in the lineup and remain good and [TS]

01:33:34   remain up-to-date none of those things [TS]

01:33:36   have changed the mat the mac pro still [TS]

01:33:38   does things that I max can't do not to [TS]

01:33:40   mention apple also tells other bestop [TS]

01:33:42   called Mac Mini which is even more [TS]

01:33:44   neglected most of the time the matter [TS]

01:33:47   which is saying a lot the last update to [TS]

01:33:50   it was not only many years ago but made [TS]

01:33:52   it worse so it's like you know that [TS]

01:33:56   there are these two desktops that a lot [TS]

01:33:57   of people use and in many cases depend [TS]

01:34:00   on and apple is it would be Apple has a [TS]

01:34:05   lot of customers who defend these [TS]

01:34:07   machines who were who are basically [TS]

01:34:09   begging them for some sign that their [TS]

01:34:12   needs will continue to be covered in the [TS]

01:34:14   future and apple is responding with most [TS]

01:34:18   of the times silence and inaction and [TS]

01:34:21   then this statement here is not only not [TS]

01:34:26   better than silence but is actually [TS]

01:34:27   worse think because the way you can read [TS]

01:34:31   it very easily really does seem [TS]

01:34:33   like the only desktop that Tim Cook [TS]

01:34:36   thinks people need is the imac and and I [TS]

01:34:40   I there are other ways to read it i'm [TS]

01:34:42   not saying that the only way to read it [TS]

01:34:43   but I think that's the implication here [TS]

01:34:47   and I think it's pretty clear i have a [TS]

01:34:50   different take on the marco and the [TS]

01:34:51   terms of being unsettled by it because [TS]

01:34:54   first of all high it could have been way [TS]

01:34:58   worse [TS]

01:34:58   I know that's you know damning with [TS]

01:35:00   faint praise but I if he had been asked [TS]

01:35:03   this question and it said I know [TS]

01:35:05   desktops have been an important part of [TS]

01:35:07   our business but really we really [TS]

01:35:08   believe that the future is laptops only [TS]

01:35:10   and our laptops actually now almost [TS]

01:35:12   powerful that stops that we never update [TS]

01:35:15   actually we think that having a laptop [TS]

01:35:20   with the amazing Thunderbolt ports that [TS]

01:35:22   can connect to these these wonderful LG [TS]

01:35:24   display's that are totally not delayed [TS]

01:35:26   and that we discounted like they could [TS]

01:35:28   have given an answer that said actually [TS]

01:35:30   the day of the desktop is done he didn't [TS]

01:35:33   give that answer instead as vague as it [TS]

01:35:35   was said we believe that was really [TS]

01:35:38   boring blah blah we have great desktops [TS]

01:35:40   coming blah blah [TS]

01:35:41   he felt compelled to give an answer that [TS]

01:35:42   is in the direction of attempting to [TS]

01:35:45   reassure people that [TS]

01:35:47   yes Apple still does care about the [TS]

01:35:49   desktop despite recent not so recent [TS]

01:35:51   events so and that doesn't change [TS]

01:35:54   anything because that's where the [TS]

01:35:55   direction i thought they were going in [TS]

01:35:56   anyway the only information in this [TS]

01:35:59   statement is for people who were afraid [TS]

01:36:02   that Apple was going to cancel the imac [TS]

01:36:04   this statement would reassure the people [TS]

01:36:06   who are afraid that mammals going to [TS]

01:36:08   cancel the imac it did nothing to [TS]

01:36:10   reassure our people who were hoping that [TS]

01:36:12   he would say go the mac pro the mac mini [TS]

01:36:13   because he didn't and you know it's [TS]

01:36:16   totally clear you know we think the [TS]

01:36:18   desktop is important hey we've seen the [TS]

01:36:20   imac because when we say desktop here at [TS]

01:36:22   Apple basically mean i'm at this point [TS]

01:36:24   it's really great that's not the best [TS]

01:36:25   desktop we ever made look at that screen [TS]

01:36:27   is great imac imac imac and then one big [TS]

01:36:31   statement we have great desktops coming [TS]

01:36:33   one of which is an imac with a better [TS]

01:36:34   GPU right whatever like whatever you [TS]

01:36:35   want to read into it it could be with [TS]

01:36:37   great desktops come including an amazing [TS]

01:36:39   new mac pro an amazing new mac mini or [TS]

01:36:41   something you've never heard of and will [TS]

01:36:43   cancel both the signs replace it who [TS]

01:36:44   knows you could read anything you wanted [TS]

01:36:46   to that statement so I [TS]

01:36:47   like this entire exchange is a [TS]

01:36:49   reaffirmation of the status quo that we [TS]

01:36:53   on this show at least have have you know [TS]

01:36:56   how to consensus on that basically the [TS]

01:36:59   imac is a position of the desktop is the [TS]

01:37:02   only thing they're updating its the one [TS]

01:37:04   that we all think is the best one to buy [TS]

01:37:06   because the other ones are so terrible [TS]

01:37:07   and they reaffirmed that and only if you [TS]

01:37:11   were afraid that they were going to go [TS]

01:37:12   laptop only would you be reassured by [TS]

01:37:14   this otherwise it's just you know [TS]

01:37:16   business as usual [TS]

01:37:18   yeah i don't know i don't have to feel [TS]

01:37:22   good about the mac right now and and I I [TS]

01:37:25   that is very painful for me I don't [TS]

01:37:27   wanna get into it because we're already [TS]

01:37:28   we're happy for the most part tonight so [TS]

01:37:31   I want to say that way and talking with [TS]

01:37:33   the mac makes me sad because it seems [TS]

01:37:35   like I care about a lot more than apple [TS]

01:37:36   does and that's scary [TS]

01:37:38   also we should save since we have we [TS]

01:37:40   have scheduling thing and we want to but [TS]

01:37:42   we're going to have another we're going [TS]

01:37:44   to record another show very soon after [TS]

01:37:46   this one so i think i want to save the [TS]

01:37:49   the German Mac malaise article hundred [TS]

01:37:53   is called them and the shots here which [TS]

01:37:54   may be very happy by the way that was [TS]

01:37:56   very well done for the next episode but [TS]

01:37:58   there is one thing on a slightly lighter [TS]

01:38:00   note that I don't throw in on the team [TS]

01:38:02   cooking all those actually more related [TS]

01:38:04   to maximize someone wrote in his name [TS]

01:38:06   I'm removing to protect the innocent a [TS]

01:38:11   listener about the averaging about the [TS]

01:38:14   idea of us complaining about the mac pro [TS]

01:38:16   and everything and they were giving us [TS]

01:38:19   information they thought we might not [TS]

01:38:21   have and this person said wondered if [TS]

01:38:25   you you'd mention that back in 2010 they [TS]

01:38:27   took two years to make a minor silent [TS]

01:38:29   update to the mac pro and then the day [TS]

01:38:31   after the silent update Tim Cook has [TS]

01:38:32   said you get a better update the [TS]

01:38:34   following year but then it took 18 [TS]

01:38:35   months to get this better update so I [TS]

01:38:38   was taking its sweet time giving the [TS]

01:38:39   update to the mac pro before just [TS]

01:38:40   wondering if we we were aware of that [TS]

01:38:42   and what he basically did in those two [TS]

01:38:44   sentences is summarized the first year [TS]

01:38:46   and a half to two years of ATP haven't [TS]

01:38:50   listened to the show in the beginning [TS]

01:38:51   our logo was the old cheese grater mac [TS]

01:38:55   pro with a sarcastic new badge [TS]

01:38:57   it that was about the silent update [TS]

01:39:00   after WWDC keynote I get we updated the [TS]

01:39:03   mac pro but it's such a minor update [TS]

01:39:05   that is not even worth talking about and [TS]

01:39:06   they're not really new and it's not a [TS]

01:39:08   good update but we have more stuff [TS]

01:39:09   coming and then we still have to wait a [TS]

01:39:11   long time for it and then it was the the [TS]

01:39:13   trashcan can innovate was it can [TS]

01:39:16   innovate my ass or whatever it was [TS]

01:39:17   supposed to be integrated anymore my ass [TS]

01:39:20   and then an update for three years so [TS]

01:39:25   yes dear new sweet listener [TS]

01:39:28   we are indeed aware of this history of [TS]

01:39:31   the mac pro and just kind of one of the [TS]

01:39:32   foundational building blocks [TS]

01:39:36   uh I don't know what you call it a it's [TS]

01:39:39   really the one of the running themes of [TS]

01:39:41   our show [TS]

01:39:42   yes yes I'm trying to think of it it's [TS]

01:39:44   one of the axes that we grind our main [TS]

01:39:46   grinding axes it is the acts that we [TS]

01:39:49   corrected there are these two out of [TS]

01:39:51   three of us anyway and then and then we [TS]

01:39:52   can we grinded and Casey rolls his eyes [TS]

01:39:55   and minds and drinks that was only once [TS]

01:39:59   thank you very much lately but [TS]

01:40:01   nonetheless died i'm not as worked up [TS]

01:40:04   about it is as you guys are for sure [TS]

01:40:06   because I whether or not i would be [TS]

01:40:10   better served by a mac pro which [TS]

01:40:12   presumably I would i don't personally [TS]

01:40:15   feel like I have a need for one [TS]

01:40:17   and so because of that amount has worked [TS]

01:40:19   up about it I am however worked up about [TS]

01:40:23   the future of the mac in general it [TS]

01:40:26   seems clear that the kind of Max that i [TS]

01:40:29   would buy which is either macbook pro or [TS]

01:40:31   5p imac I don't think those are going [TS]

01:40:33   away anytime soon but i do think that [TS]

01:40:37   there will come a time that these these [TS]

01:40:40   machines are either going to be even [TS]

01:40:42   more delighted and even more neglected [TS]

01:40:44   than they are today or perhaps [TS]

01:40:46   non-existent at all and I think that my [TS]

01:40:50   canary in the coal mine to some degree [TS]

01:40:53   is going to be what is it what windows [TS]

01:40:55   Swift playgrounds become more than just [TS]

01:40:58   playgrounds because the most obvious [TS]

01:41:01   reason to keep the mac around is to make [TS]

01:41:04   iOS apps and and if suddenly it's [TS]

01:41:08   possible to do [TS]

01:41:10   that on an iPad that makes things [TS]

01:41:14   interesting and potentially very bad for [TS]

01:41:18   someone like me who genuinely prefers [TS]

01:41:20   the mac because if I have a choice to do [TS]

01:41:24   anything other than like you know [TS]

01:41:26   browse Twitter or whatever even even [TS]

01:41:29   oftentimes ordering something on amazon [TS]

01:41:31   if i have the choice I'd rather go to my [TS]

01:41:33   5k imac or or perhaps my back pro them [TS]

01:41:36   an ipad or anyone open up a lot of tabs [TS]

01:41:38   right exact no truly yeah that's exactly [TS]

01:41:40   what I know I was not being sarcastic [TS]

01:41:42   and is slowly i'm showing you how you [TS]

01:41:44   are going down the slippery slope [TS]

01:41:46   towards me or rising up to Mount Olympus [TS]

01:41:49   to be with me I is your this guy [TS]

01:41:51   oh my haha oh Jesus I think my eyes just [TS]

01:41:56   rolled right out your brother I'm [TS]

01:41:57   dragging you down into hell or afternoon [TS]

01:42:01   common i plead the fifth your honor [TS]

01:42:02   anyway odd but the point being I I still [TS]

01:42:07   very very deeply care about the mac i [TS]

01:42:09   would like to think just as much as the [TS]

01:42:13   two of you guys do the differences i [TS]

01:42:15   don't personally need a mac pro in my [TS]

01:42:17   life where I think that you guys do and [TS]

01:42:20   and so I'm scared I'm scared about where [TS]

01:42:24   this is all going but i'm not i don't [TS]

01:42:29   think the sky is falling quite yet but [TS]

01:42:31   it certainly looks like it's getting a [TS]

01:42:33   little closer and that's scary [TS]

01:42:34   I I fundamentally have a major problem [TS]

01:42:39   with the perception that many people [TS]

01:42:42   have not seen this to attack you Casey [TS]

01:42:44   but if this is not just use as far from [TS]

01:42:46   you [TS]

01:42:46   many people seem to be under the [TS]

01:42:49   impression that the main role that the [TS]

01:42:52   mac serves as a as a legacy support [TS]

01:42:55   platform for the creation of iOS apps [TS]

01:42:58   and that is just complete and utter [TS]

01:43:01   bullshit it is nowhere close to reality [TS]

01:43:04   that being said that is not necessarily [TS]

01:43:07   to say that apple doesn't think this or [TS]

01:43:09   that some people inside of Apple don't [TS]

01:43:11   think this I don't think everyone Apple [TS]

01:43:12   thinks that but I do think that there is [TS]

01:43:14   a strong risk that took might think that [TS]

01:43:16   I don't know that for sure obviously I [TS]

01:43:18   don't know Tim Cook we don't hang out [TS]

01:43:20   but I do worry about that percent [TS]

01:43:23   in that like a the assumption that the [TS]

01:43:27   mac is a legacy platform that is on its [TS]

01:43:30   way out that it is not the future and [TS]

01:43:32   then be that its main reason for [TS]

01:43:34   continued existence now is as an iOS app [TS]

01:43:37   creation platform and then see that iOS [TS]

01:43:40   will become a better app creation [TS]

01:43:42   platform because i would actually argue [TS]

01:43:44   that all three of those are wrong i have [TS]

01:43:48   thoughts about this but before we do [TS]

01:43:50   that why don't we go through last [TS]

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01:44:17   this is one of those things where like [TS]

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01:44:21   this is a conference like your work will [TS]

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01:44:43   and Sebastian would do with these are [TS]

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01:44:49   actually seen most of them speak they [TS]

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01:44:54   there's also guided hikes and a [TS]

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01:45:49   ah marka a second ago you had take me to [TS]

01:45:55   task and fairly that you know it's kind [TS]

01:45:58   of BS that that everyone looks at iOS [TS]

01:46:01   apps is the only reason the mac exist [TS]

01:46:03   and and I think that's that you're right [TS]

01:46:05   to take issue with that if I'm if I'm [TS]

01:46:08   allowed to spend a moment and expand my [TS]

01:46:10   thoughts a little bit I I think the [TS]

01:46:13   thing to me is if I try to put myself in [TS]

01:46:15   apple shoes apple may not have an answer [TS]

01:46:19   like the chat room is talking about [TS]

01:46:20   having hundreds of gigabytes of photos [TS]

01:46:23   that they'd like to process on their max [TS]

01:46:25   okay that that's totally fair but Apple [TS]

01:46:28   may not care about people who have [TS]

01:46:31   hundreds of gigabytes of photos that [TS]

01:46:33   they need to process they could just say [TS]

01:46:34   you know what by damn pc i'm not saying [TS]

01:46:37   that's factual I'm just saying it's a [TS]

01:46:38   possibility and and the thing that Apple [TS]

01:46:43   cannot get around there is no two ways [TS]

01:46:45   around it is if they want their [TS]

01:46:47   strongest most profitable platform to [TS]

01:46:49   continue to exist which is iOS if they [TS]

01:46:53   want that to continue to exist they need [TS]

01:46:55   third-party developers and those [TS]

01:46:57   developers intern need max they I don't [TS]

01:47:00   think that Apple wants to telephoto [TS]

01:47:02   professionals or video professionals or [TS]

01:47:04   any other professional to go away but [TS]

01:47:07   they could wear as they can't tell iOS [TS]

01:47:11   developers to go away unless suddenly [TS]

01:47:13   xcode is running on a pc which I guess [TS]

01:47:15   weirder things have happened but that'd [TS]

01:47:16   be really freaking weird and that's why [TS]

01:47:18   i'm hanging my hat on this iOS app thing [TS]

01:47:21   it's not because it's just because that [TS]

01:47:24   that to me is the one thing that is [TS]

01:47:26   non-negotiable and if that goes away if [TS]

01:47:30   if suddenly you're capable of building [TS]

01:47:31   an iOS app on an iPad which i think [TS]

01:47:34   would be preposterous instruction [TS]

01:47:36   frankly strikes me as a friggin terrible [TS]

01:47:39   idea but who knows if that works well I [TS]

01:47:42   think it's coming but I just don't think [TS]

01:47:43   it would be particularly efficient at [TS]

01:47:45   all [TS]

01:47:46   for a lot of fun but that being said [TS]

01:47:47   look at a what's the TravelSmith has [TS]

01:47:49   been doing and you know there's there's [TS]

01:47:51   an argument for it but anyway it if that [TS]

01:47:55   becomes possible if you can submit to [TS]

01:47:56   the appstore from an ipad then suddenly [TS]

01:48:00   the app isn't non ago that the Mac isn't [TS]

01:48:03   non-negotiable anymore and suddenly [TS]

01:48:05   apples options that involve killing the [TS]

01:48:07   mac and that that's what I'm saying does [TS]

01:48:09   that make any more sense and I I [TS]

01:48:12   understand why you say that I understand [TS]

01:48:14   why a lot of people say that I [TS]

01:48:15   understand why people think that [TS]

01:48:16   developing full apps iOS is going to be [TS]

01:48:18   a thing and I think it will be a thing [TS]

01:48:21   for some people but i also think that [TS]

01:48:25   I've heard that argument almost entirely [TS]

01:48:27   from non-developers and there's a reason [TS]

01:48:29   for that modern app development involves [TS]

01:48:33   the integration of a lot of small tools [TS]

01:48:35   everyone has a slightly different set of [TS]

01:48:37   it is kind of in many ways you know it [TS]

01:48:40   isn't just xcode you know there's lots [TS]

01:48:42   of like if you support xcode over that's [TS]

01:48:44   not enough that's enough for some [TS]

01:48:46   absolute but not enough for like complex [TS]

01:48:49   apps not enough for most good apps the [TS]

01:48:54   the way developers work with the [TS]

01:48:57   computer itself with the apps with the [TS]

01:49:01   file system with the tools that the [TS]

01:49:04   various tool chains all these different [TS]

01:49:05   integrations and plugins and custom [TS]

01:49:07   scripts and custom builds and every the [TS]

01:49:09   way all the way developers work in [TS]

01:49:12   practice professional real developers [TS]

01:49:14   does not translate well to iOS software [TS]

01:49:17   ecosystem or 2i to the OS itself right [TS]

01:49:20   now the machines like the ipad is is [TS]

01:49:23   powerful enough that you could like that [TS]

01:49:26   it is a computer of sorts and you could [TS]

01:49:29   the hardware could do this but the OS is [TS]

01:49:33   completely wrong for most developers [TS]

01:49:37   foremost development task and most [TS]

01:49:39   development needs and this is true needs [TS]

01:49:43   not like you know I need this chair to [TS]

01:49:45   be purple like a need like know if I [TS]

01:49:48   don't have this capability i can't do [TS]

01:49:50   this or it would suffer so much that I [TS]

01:49:54   would never want to do it that way the [TS]

01:49:56   way software development happens in [TS]

01:49:59   practice [TS]

01:50:00   for that to move to iOS in a meaningful [TS]

01:50:03   way would require so many changes to iOS [TS]

01:50:07   that I think you're either unlikely to [TS]

01:50:10   happen market wise or that apple would [TS]

01:50:13   probably never do and probably shouldn't [TS]

01:50:16   do to iOS because it would in many ways [TS]

01:50:18   ruined a lot of what makes us great so [TS]

01:50:21   like development of software I i always [TS]

01:50:24   see as needing a more pc like operating [TS]

01:50:28   system and whether that is the mac or [TS]

01:50:31   windows or linux god I hope is still the [TS]

01:50:33   mac and out of that list i think my [TS]

01:50:37   second choice would be linux but I i [TS]

01:50:40   really don't see professional software [TS]

01:50:43   development moving to iOS not only for [TS]

01:50:47   the next few years but possibly ever [TS]

01:50:49   just because of the way iOS works the [TS]

01:50:53   weight limited the whole way of iOS [TS]

01:50:56   being like a collection of not like [TS]

01:50:59   small apps that do one thing and not [TS]

01:51:01   people scripts they wrote for the most [TS]

01:51:03   part III know it's possible that's not [TS]

01:51:05   the common case and there are main [TS]

01:51:08   limitations there but iOS is the world [TS]

01:51:11   of maximized full screen apps i know [TS]

01:51:15   again not always but it is the world of [TS]

01:51:16   like big complex after you do everything [TS]

01:51:20   inside of this one app and xcode could [TS]

01:51:22   be one of those apps but most developers [TS]

01:51:26   who I know working in software [TS]

01:51:27   development use way more than just xcode [TS]

01:51:30   to get their job done and all integrates [TS]

01:51:32   in these weird little custom ways and it [TS]

01:51:34   every single thing like every developer [TS]

01:51:37   has something in there that Apple excuse [TS]

01:51:41   would call an edge case and each one is [TS]

01:51:44   an edge case but everyone has at least [TS]

01:51:48   one of those so you need in order to [TS]

01:51:51   accommodate that style of use that style [TS]

01:51:54   of tool chain and workflow you need [TS]

01:51:58   something more like the pc operating [TS]

01:52:00   system then like iOS in the way you can [TS]

01:52:03   have tons of different tiny laps working [TS]

01:52:06   together tons of Windows John tons of [TS]

01:52:08   like in a different thing that integrate [TS]

01:52:10   and plug-in and are all firewall often [TS]

01:52:12   sandbox all from each other [TS]

01:52:13   this is what developers need to work [TS]

01:52:17   this is not negotiable this is the way [TS]

01:52:20   things actually work in the real world [TS]

01:52:22   for all developers I don't see how iOS [TS]

01:52:26   get to that ever unless it basically [TS]

01:52:29   gets ruined and becomes just like a [TS]

01:52:32   weird being the implementation of mac OS [TS]

01:52:34   which could happen but I don't think [TS]

01:52:37   that should happen i don't think that [TS]

01:52:38   will happen so on that particular point [TS]

01:52:41   and when you said it before and youre [TS]

01:52:42   just reiterate again the idea that uh [TS]

01:52:44   this you're not gonna be doing [TS]

01:52:46   developing an iOS unless unless iOS it [TS]

01:52:49   you know on iOS as it currently exists [TS]

01:52:50   unless I was changes in a way that [TS]

01:52:52   allows you to do that because right now [TS]

01:52:54   it doesn't have the facilities right [TS]

01:52:56   the other option obviously and i think [TS]

01:52:58   the one that Apple thus far has shown [TS]

01:53:01   the most inclination to pursue is not to [TS]

01:53:03   change iOS or disables for development [TS]

01:53:05   but the change development so that it is [TS]

01:53:07   able to be done eyeless and so if you [TS]

01:53:10   look at playgrounds obviously that's no [TS]

01:53:11   excuse right but the idea that what it [TS]

01:53:15   takes to develop software could be [TS]

01:53:17   change rather than changing iOS so that [TS]

01:53:19   it can support what it currently takes [TS]

01:53:21   to develop software change what it takes [TS]

01:53:23   to develop software so that it fits into [TS]

01:53:25   some semblance of the shape of iOS and I [TS]

01:53:28   totally think making applications for [TS]

01:53:30   iOS iOS is going to come if iOS itself [TS]

01:53:34   exists long enough i would say within [TS]

01:53:37   the next decade or two you're going to [TS]

01:53:40   be able to make iOS applications and [TS]

01:53:42   probably sooner for toy applications but [TS]

01:53:43   for real full fledge applications i [TS]

01:53:45   think it's coming and I don't think it [TS]

01:53:47   will come from iOS changing to be more [TS]

01:53:49   like the mac i think it will come from [TS]

01:53:51   the process of developing software [TS]

01:53:53   changing to fit into iOS and I don't [TS]

01:53:56   think market will like it or anybody who [TS]

01:53:58   has developed software and this current [TS]

01:54:00   age because it will be different and [TS]

01:54:02   more limited and crappier and a whole [TS]

01:54:03   bunch of ways but I think that's coming [TS]

01:54:06   now i don't i don't want to believe it [TS]

01:54:08   is more because we do have another whole [TS]

01:54:09   show to record tomorrow and I want to [TS]

01:54:12   talk more about the the government Mac [TS]

01:54:14   malaise story and and different angles [TS]

01:54:17   and that but on the specific issue of [TS]

01:54:19   development i would say that all the [TS]

01:54:21   things i just said it's possible for [TS]

01:54:23   ought to happen and the mac is still [TS]

01:54:25   being going to [TS]

01:54:26   but skc points out here i think mostly [TS]

01:54:28   what Casey's point is this is a [TS]

01:54:30   prerequisite if you ever want to ditch [TS]

01:54:31   the Mac you gotta do something about [TS]

01:54:33   developer socially and all the options [TS]

01:54:35   are like well track them to pc and [TS]

01:54:37   having to the development there or [TS]

01:54:39   whatever or bringing into iOS and I [TS]

01:54:41   think all those options always [TS]

01:54:43   prerequisites ditching the mac are [TS]

01:54:45   difficult to do like they'll take a long [TS]

01:54:49   time it will certainly take a long time [TS]

01:54:50   to try to it would take a long time to [TS]

01:54:52   do a marco was suggesting like change [TS]

01:54:54   iOS to basically ruined make it more [TS]

01:54:55   like the mac not that I think Apple [TS]

01:54:57   would do that but that would certainly [TS]

01:54:58   take a long time it would take a long [TS]

01:55:00   time to change software development so [TS]

01:55:01   that fits and within I and iOS shape to [TS]

01:55:04   make you be able to make serious apps [TS]

01:55:05   that would take a hell of a long time [TS]

01:55:06   and it would take a long time to boot [TS]

01:55:09   people to be seen as though we're going [TS]

01:55:10   to pour xcode to be see all those [TS]

01:55:11   options would take a long time and most [TS]

01:55:14   of them selling bad ideas and would [TS]

01:55:15   actually be bad ideas for anybody who is [TS]

01:55:17   currently developing top-tier iOS [TS]

01:55:19   applications today so what does that [TS]

01:55:23   mean about the future of the mag tune in [TS]

01:55:24   next week / tomorrow live listeners [TS]

01:55:27   cliffhanger ending that's so it's our [TS]

01:55:32   style right and on that bombshell thanks [TS]

01:55:35   for 23 sponsors this week we sell socks [TS]

01:55:37   SQL pro studio and coke off and we will [TS]

01:55:40   see you next week [TS]

01:55:43   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:55:47   mean to begin because it was accidental [TS]

01:55:52   it was accidental John research Marco [TS]

01:55:57   and Casey wouldn't let him because it [TS]

01:56:00   was accidentally was accidental [TS]

01:56:05   you can find the show know today d p dot [TS]

01:56:09   and if your twitter follow them [TS]

01:56:16   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:56:21   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [TS]

01:56:29   Syracuse [TS]

01:56:42   so we have an extremely important bit of [TS]

01:56:50   after-show follow-up that I've been [TS]

01:56:52   really really excited to talk about for [TS]

01:56:55   easily hours now Marco how's your [TS]

01:57:01   snowblower i have used it and I'm pretty [TS]

01:57:05   sure I know how to start it now [TS]

01:57:07   alright and it turns out that wireless [TS]

01:57:12   snow blowers are awesome [TS]

01:57:15   what haha i forgot that you actually [TS]

01:57:18   trying to use electrical i used my ears [TS]

01:57:21   I think you guys got snow [TS]

01:57:23   yeah we got we got me maybe like six [TS]

01:57:26   inches and it was really wet and go [TS]

01:57:28   ahead [TS]

01:57:29   I knew that if I didn't clear it it [TS]

01:57:30   would just turn into a block of ice [TS]

01:57:31   which everyone else who hasn't cleared [TS]

01:57:33   it has done exactly that so yeah it and [TS]

01:57:37   and I had a I've had electric ones in [TS]

01:57:40   the past and they they work ok but they [TS]

01:57:45   tend to die after about two seasons [TS]

01:57:47   maybe three if you're lucky and every [TS]

01:57:51   electric snow clearing applied to have a [TS]

01:57:53   powerful before they all have the same [TS]

01:57:54   problem they all just work for a little [TS]

01:57:56   while they be okay and they would die [TS]

01:57:57   and having to drag around like a [TS]

01:58:00   hundred-foot 15 an extension cord is as [TS]

01:58:04   you go is is both limiting and annoying [TS]

01:58:07   so I now finally have a wireless [TS]

01:58:10   snowblower it is powered by old [TS]

01:58:12   dinosaurs [TS]

01:58:13   I know please don't tell me it's [TS]

01:58:15   actually old plants I'm very aware and [TS]

01:58:17   and is I i thought this is this is the [TS]

01:58:21   first gas power to non car I've ever had [TS]

01:58:25   like I've never had a gas powered lawn [TS]

01:58:28   mower or anything like that it is i was [TS]

01:58:31   worried that it would be a huge pain in [TS]

01:58:33   the butt and maybe as it gets older it [TS]

01:58:36   will be but right now as it's brand-new [TS]

01:58:38   and I get fancy gasps from true fuel it [TS]

01:58:41   is awesome and I it turns out it's just [TS]

01:58:45   it's really heavy but that's about the [TS]

01:58:47   only it's pretty loud too but those are [TS]

01:58:50   the kind of the only downsides otherwise [TS]

01:58:52   it's kind of amazing to not be tethered [TS]

01:58:55   by [TS]

01:58:55   cord I got to go I you know because i [TS]

01:58:59   love i'm no longer tethered to my house [TS]

01:59:00   by a hundred foot cord i got to do the [TS]

01:59:02   entire sidewalk for the three houses [TS]

01:59:05   adjacent to mine because they never do [TS]

01:59:07   it themselves and it's always very hard [TS]

01:59:09   to walk around here it's going to be [TS]

01:59:11   like finally I can just clear this whole [TS]

01:59:13   sidewalk myself dammit and it was [TS]

01:59:16   everything I hoped it would be [TS]

01:59:17   it was easier than I hoped it would it [TS]

01:59:20   was easier than I expected less hassle [TS]

01:59:22   than I expected and overall now I kind [TS]

01:59:26   of see after mentally one use with no [TS]

01:59:29   problems but now I kind of see why most [TS]

01:59:32   of these appliances are gas-powered and [TS]

01:59:34   yes I do know that wireless electric [TS]

01:59:37   ones do exist but I've never been brave [TS]

01:59:39   enough to try them because not only are [TS]

01:59:41   they almost as expensive as the gas ones [TS]

01:59:42   but i would expect that to not have as [TS]

01:59:46   much power as the electric ones are as [TS]

01:59:49   as the quarter ones do and the cord ones [TS]

01:59:51   have even less power than the gas ones [TS]

01:59:53   and so yeah that's no good i'm very [TS]

01:59:55   proud of you [TS]

01:59:56   we have the same amount of snow but I [TS]

01:59:58   don't have a brand-new snow blower so I [TS]

01:59:59   had no real [TS]

01:59:59   had no real [TS]

02:00:00   to use the snowblower we just shoveled [TS]

02:00:01   it you also have a lot less square [TS]

02:00:04   footage to shovel than i do I know but [TS]

02:00:06   like about it at six inches or 8 inches [TS]

02:00:07   even is not snow is not worthy of me [TS]

02:00:10   getting out this number is my cell bar [TS]

02:00:11   is is worse like like environmentally [TS]

02:00:14   both environmentally as in for the [TS]

02:00:15   environment but also environmentally as [TS]

02:00:17   in the area around the snowblower [TS]

02:00:19   because it's to cycle and it is old and [TS]

02:00:23   is incredibly noisy and it makes [TS]

02:00:24   everything smell and it's gross and so [TS]

02:00:26   they're at their high barrier for me to [TS]

02:00:28   take that thing out and that's great [TS]

02:00:30   inches we actually shovel twice we [TS]

02:00:31   shoveled once when it was a couple [TS]

02:00:33   inches and once more when it was a [TS]

02:00:34   couple more inches 16 inches and we shut [TS]

02:00:37   down for a week it yeah okay because you [TS]

02:00:40   guys don't have plows well we do but did [TS]

02:00:43   certainly not to the extent that you [TS]

02:00:44   guys I said flowers plural you have one [TS]

02:00:47   plow haha this show where we didn't have [TS]

02:00:49   a lot of clouds were not either like i [TS]

02:00:51   don't understand what our plans are [TS]

02:00:52   waiting for but the plows did not come [TS]

02:00:53   by our house until for a long time and [TS]

02:00:55   and we did I did that we always do our [TS]

02:00:57   sidewalk is we're good [TS]

02:00:58   suburban people and like you said demons [TS]

02:01:00   are the Living marcos neighborhood or [TS]

02:01:02   shovel their sidewalks but we have a lot [TS]

02:01:04   of sidewalk to shovel and shovel the [TS]

02:01:06   sidewalk twice to Marco did you take [TS]

02:01:09   your test out and go hooting feel what [TS]

02:01:12   actually hooligan who know their [TS]

02:01:15   southern thing I think you know me I [TS]

02:01:17   never sounds like a southern thing it's [TS]

02:01:19   not a southern thing I was a college [TS]

02:01:21   football thing [TS]

02:01:22   no it's a problem is probably the what [TS]

02:01:24   is that god-awful WRX forum North [TS]

02:01:27   American subaru impreza owners club Nazi [TS]

02:01:30   yolk or whatever is it a rally cars no [TS]

02:01:34   that's just the act of being a hooning [TS]

02:01:36   top definition on urban dictionary they [TS]

02:01:38   are regularly well there you are driving [TS]

02:01:40   recklessly racing doing burnouts etc [TS]

02:01:44   I've never heard that my life hunting is [TS]

02:01:45   Australian the chatroom says its [TS]

02:01:47   Australian huh stream from beer made [TS]

02:01:48   youngsters anyway I have you gone out [TS]

02:01:54   driving like a moron apologies in your [TS]

02:01:58   Tesla in the snow [TS]

02:01:59   I know but by the time I got on the road [TS]

02:02:01   it was all it was raining this no that's [TS]

02:02:04   alright so speaking of cars the actual [TS]

02:02:07   thing I really did want to talk about [TS]

02:02:08   but i was i was hoping to bait and [TS]

02:02:10   switch John with this there's been a new [TS]

02:02:12   arrival in the circus [TS]

02:02:13   really just today finally got your [TS]

02:02:16   Ferrari right yeah [TS]

02:02:17   look it's red in color it's the car [TS]

02:02:20   we've been talking about for awhile i [TS]

02:02:21   finally got my wife's car she finally [TS]

02:02:23   replaced her old accord with a new [TS]

02:02:24   record it was very difficult for us to [TS]

02:02:26   get a stick shift sport accord sport [TS]

02:02:29   special edition because apparently [TS]

02:02:30   nobody in the entire world or at least [TS]

02:02:32   an entire US wants to buy that car so [TS]

02:02:34   they had to make it for us and then ship [TS]

02:02:37   it out to us and now we've got it and [TS]

02:02:39   it's nice and it is currently [TS]

02:02:41   unscratched a nun dented and on acorn [TS]

02:02:44   dented and had seven miles on it and [TS]

02:02:47   it's got the new car smell and it's got [TS]

02:02:49   seat heaters and we're all very happy [TS]

02:02:52   congratulations that's awesome yeah and [TS]

02:02:54   i think they might have added some [TS]

02:02:55   options to the infotainment system which [TS]

02:02:57   is still terrible but I saw a couple [TS]

02:02:59   like I found the option to remove [TS]

02:03:00   pandora which I never used so it's not [TS]

02:03:02   on the source list anymore so I gotta [TS]

02:03:04   check my car to see if that option was [TS]

02:03:05   always there and I just missed it [TS]

02:03:07   well I couple other nice things there [TS]

02:03:09   and and fine and you can one of the few [TS]

02:03:11   options the infotainment system has you [TS]

02:03:13   can change like the color scheme for it [TS]

02:03:15   and that's a red color scheme and we're [TS]

02:03:17   going to keep it because it matches the [TS]

02:03:18   car that's that's adorable and i gotta [TS]

02:03:21   say looks great really aggressive wheels [TS]

02:03:24   which we covered on [TS]