Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected episode 404.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Pocket Casts, Sourcegraph and Elektrik.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Federico Vittucci.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Hi Federico.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Hello my beautiful friend, how are you?

00:00:21 ◼   ► Oh, hi!

00:00:24 ◼   ► Now I'm in a good mood.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Yeah, you should be.

00:00:28 ◼   ► You good? How you feeling? How are things?

00:00:31 ◼   ► I'm good.

00:00:33 ◼   ► You're good? Awesome.

00:00:34 ◼   ► We're also joined by handsome man from Tennessee,

00:00:39 ◼   ► Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Hi, Steven.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Hey, boys.

00:00:44 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:45 ◼   ► I'm good.

00:00:46 ◼   ► We just did some very special pre-show

00:00:51 ◼   ► for Connected Pro members where Steven was very active

00:00:55 ◼   ► in terms of content.

00:00:57 ◼   ► So if you want to hear a lot from Steven,

00:01:01 ◼   ► make sure to sign up for Connected Pro

00:01:03 ◼   ► because you can hear Steven talk

00:01:05 ◼   ► and talk and talk for 10 minutes.

00:01:07 ◼   ► - Nonstop.

00:01:08 ◼   ► - What's nonstop?

00:01:09 ◼   ► Really, we needed to stop the guy

00:01:10 ◼   ► because he just kept going.

00:01:11 ◼   ► - He wouldn't shut up.

00:01:13 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:14 ◼   ► - So we had to start the show.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Getconnectedpro.co.

00:01:17 ◼   ► - We have some follow-up we need to contend with.

00:01:20 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

00:01:23 ◼   ► - Jen wrote in.

00:01:27 ◼   ► There's a grave error in the Bill of Rickies as read on air.

00:01:31 ◼   ► The A&E's do not actually refer to the annual Rickies.

00:01:34 ◼   ► Rather, they were designated as the gamified year in review,

00:01:39 ◼   ► wherein months are judged on the tichi scale.

00:01:42 ◼   ► So just to put some--

00:01:45 ◼   ► - I also had this thought Federico, when I read this,

00:01:48 ◼   ► I was like, we didn't do that.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Yes, we did. - What?

00:01:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:51 ◼   ► - So last year for the year in review episode,

00:01:55 ◼   ► We grade it every month on the Chi Chi scale

00:01:58 ◼   ► from Nightmare to Best I Love You.

00:02:00 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:02:02 ◼   ► - You are right.

00:02:03 ◼   ► - So what we need to, it's actually a very simple fix

00:02:06 ◼   ► in the Bill of Rickeys.

00:02:07 ◼   ► All we have to do is pull out the phrase,

00:02:10 ◼   ► AKA the Annie's and the Bill of Rickeys.

00:02:12 ◼   ► - It's not in there.

00:02:13 ◼   ► - Yes it is.

00:02:14 ◼   ► It's in the preamble.

00:02:15 ◼   ► - Oh, so it's not actually in the Bill of Rickeys.

00:02:17 ◼   ► - Right.

00:02:18 ◼   ► - This is why Jen's follow up is so good,

00:02:22 ◼   ► because they mentioned as read on air,

00:02:25 ◼   ► It's not in the published public version of the Bill of Rickies.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Really?

00:02:30 ◼   ► And also, another thing for great follow-up from Jen,

00:02:33 ◼   ► the second part is the game was played in episode 378,

00:02:37 ◼   ► but was also named in 379 follow-up as well.

00:02:40 ◼   ► Supposedly, this is in the Google Doc.

00:02:42 ◼   ► I kept expecting someone to bring up this oversight,

00:02:45 ◼   ► but this episode, it was brought up again.

00:02:47 ◼   ► So what I like about this is Jen first thought,

00:02:50 ◼   ► "That was just a mistake. I'll let him go."

00:02:53 ◼   ► But we did it again.

00:02:54 ◼   ► So they're like, "All right, I kind of let this stand."

00:02:56 ◼   ► And then they wrote in, you know?

00:02:57 ◼   ► - Jen came with the receipts, as the kids say.

00:03:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause the tweet also had a link

00:03:02 ◼   ► to the episode where we spoke.

00:03:03 ◼   ► - So Jen, thank you, I've corrected the preamble.

00:03:06 ◼   ► You know, in the last episode,

00:03:08 ◼   ► Kate was named the official historian of Relay FM,

00:03:12 ◼   ► a title, by the way, that we had given them previously

00:03:14 ◼   ► on a live stream.

00:03:15 ◼   ► - Geez, are you being serious?

00:03:18 ◼   ► What is wrong with us?

00:03:19 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:03:19 ◼   ► - Who told you that?

00:03:20 ◼   ► Did Kate tell you that?

00:03:21 ◼   ► - Kate told us that.

00:03:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, okay.

00:03:23 ◼   ► So maybe Jin can be the parliamentarian maybe.

00:03:28 ◼   ► Okay, can we create a special category in the members discord sidebar that says historian

00:03:35 ◼   ► and just put Kate in there?

00:03:37 ◼   ► Like we do with OTJ?

00:03:38 ◼   ► Yes.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Alright.

00:03:40 ◼   ► If there's any mods listening, can you just go do that for me?

00:03:44 ◼   ► Kate, don't do it yourself because that feels kind of sad really.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:03:48 ◼   ► I think Zach's gonna do it.

00:03:49 ◼   ► It's like the Obama with the medal on Obama meme?

00:03:52 ◼   ► It's like that.

00:03:53 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:03:54 ◼   ► Yes, I love that.

00:04:00 ◼   ► So the additional thing is I put a screenshot in our show document, which is a screenshot

00:04:05 ◼   ► of our show document, which says "The Annies, the annual year in review.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Months are graded on the teacher's scale with inferior minus being the lowest possible score.

00:04:14 ◼   ► Nightmares, quote, you know it when you see it."

00:04:17 ◼   ► So we'll be doing that again at the end of the year.

00:04:19 ◼   ► the, and it actually kind of makes sense, the annual Rickies should not have its own

00:04:26 ◼   ► name, right? Because then it would have to be the Annies and the Keenies, right? Because

00:04:29 ◼   ► why would the keynote Rickies not have their own name as well? They're all just the Rickies.

00:04:34 ◼   ► Some are for keynotes and special events, and some, and one is for the annuals. It's

00:04:39 ◼   ► all the Rickies. So I'm happy that Jen wrote in, because this needed to be addressed.

00:04:43 ◼   ► Look, we're stuck in a web of our own making with this podcast at this point, so thank

00:04:49 ◼   ► you to everyone who helps keep it straight.

00:04:51 ◼   ► So I would also just like to make a plea to every single one of our listeners at this

00:04:56 ◼   ► point.

00:04:57 ◼   ► Please never stop listening to this show because we will never gain another new listener because

00:05:01 ◼   ► I think people coming to this show as a new listener, this is just... it's just incoherent.

00:05:08 ◼   ► So we'll have to make a pact that nobody can stop listening to the show and therefore we

00:05:14 ◼   ► will maintain our audience forever. Is that fair?

00:05:17 ◼   ► Yeah, but there needs to be a threat involved. Like if you stop listening, something bad

00:05:24 ◼   ► happens to us.

00:05:25 ◼   ► We know who you are.

00:05:30 ◼   ► Like if you stop listening, something horrible will happen to us, but we can tell you what...

00:05:36 ◼   ► Maybe we should make the podcast like a chainmail letter thing.

00:05:40 ◼   ► Not only can you not stop listening, you have to share this podcast with 10 of your friends

00:05:44 ◼   ► or there's going to be a curse on you.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Ooooh.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Ahhh.

00:05:48 ◼   ► I like that.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Yes.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Good, right?

00:05:51 ◼   ► I don't love it.

00:05:53 ◼   ► Why?

00:05:54 ◼   ► Are you uncomfortable with curses?

00:05:56 ◼   ► A little bit.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Yeah, what's the deal?

00:05:58 ◼   ► Have you been cursed before?

00:05:59 ◼   ► What's the deal?

00:06:00 ◼   ► What's the deal with curses?

00:06:02 ◼   ► Yeah, Stephen, what's your problem with curses?

00:06:05 ◼   ► You know?

00:06:06 ◼   ► Have you ever been cursed?

00:06:08 ◼   ► Like do you know?

00:06:12 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe.

00:06:15 ◼   ► We should find out. We should go to uh... What's the name where you go?

00:06:20 ◼   ► You know, hey, tell me if I have like if I've been cursed or something.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Yeah, you go you go to the guy or the lady whatever like what's the name of the profession?

00:06:31 ◼   ► Who do I go to if I am cursed?

00:06:34 ◼   ► Help us out, chat room.

00:06:36 ◼   ► An oracle?

00:06:37 ◼   ► Kinda like an oracle?

00:06:39 ◼   ► Like a...

00:06:41 ◼   ► Come on, there's a name.

00:06:43 ◼   ► Fortune teller.

00:06:44 ◼   ► Yes, thank you.

00:06:45 ◼   ► No, no, fortune teller tells you fortune.

00:06:48 ◼   ► They don't help you with curses.

00:06:50 ◼   ► The clue's in the name, you know?

00:06:52 ◼   ► Like, what's the name of the person that does, like, the tarots?

00:06:55 ◼   ► The cards, for example.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Well, that's a fortune teller.

00:06:59 ◼   ► Right, so I'm thinking of that.

00:07:00 ◼   ► But do they know about curses?

00:07:02 ◼   ► Well, depending on the cards, they may tell you that you've cursed.

00:07:06 ◼   ► But Ken, they can't do anything about it though, right?

00:07:08 ◼   ► Well, they...

00:07:09 ◼   ► Well, I don't know.

00:07:10 ◼   ► Look, it's like going to the doctor, right?

00:07:12 ◼   ► You have to see your general practitioner and then they send you to a specialist.

00:07:16 ◼   ► So what you're saying is, fortune tellers are the general practitioners of curses?

00:07:21 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:22 ◼   ► And then you go see them and you have to go to a specialist.

00:07:24 ◼   ► So what I can tell you is that when I was little, my mom went...

00:07:29 ◼   ► So I don't believe in any of this stuff, okay?

00:07:31 ◼   ► But my mom, for whatever reason, she does or used to.

00:07:35 ◼   ► So when I was little, like very little, like seven, I think.

00:07:39 ◼   ► So she went to one of these, you know,

00:07:42 ◼   ► Conner is like one of these fortune tellers or whatever.

00:07:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:07:46 ◼   ► - Just saying, you know, just say how you feel, you know?

00:07:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:07:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:07:50 ◼   ► - Who's curse now, buddy?

00:07:51 ◼   ► - So basically, so when she came back home,

00:07:54 ◼   ► it was like, what did the wizard or whatever tell you?

00:07:58 ◼   ► And so this guy asked for like a hundred euros

00:08:03 ◼   ► and the response was that my mom has really bad luck

00:08:07 ◼   ► when it comes to traffic and parking her car.

00:08:10 ◼   ► Like that's everything the guy told her.

00:08:13 ◼   ► - Does it everybody?

00:08:14 ◼   ► I mean, it's extremely generic.

00:08:17 ◼   ► - When she arrived for the appointment,

00:08:19 ◼   ► he did see her crash the car.

00:08:21 ◼   ► It was like, I know what's her deal.

00:08:23 ◼   ► - That's like going in and be like,

00:08:25 ◼   ► one day next week, you will wake up tired.

00:08:28 ◼   ► The worst part, the worst part is that my mom was so sure that he was right.

00:08:33 ◼   ► It's like, oh, he's totally right.

00:08:34 ◼   ► I have so much bad luck when it comes to finding a parking spot everywhere I go.

00:08:39 ◼   ► I was like, mom, that's just normal for normal people.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Like that happens all the time.

00:08:46 ◼   ► No, no, but I'm especially unlucky when it comes to driving around and finding a parking spot.

00:08:51 ◼   ► That's my experience with these folks.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Just before we move on, I have a secondary question I would like to ask you both.

00:09:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Just because I feel like it's in the vein.

00:09:03 ◼   ► And you could just... yes or no? That's all I'm asking for, alright?

00:09:06 ◼   ► Does this count for the quiz?

00:09:08 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:09:10 ◼   ► Um... I don't think it can!

00:09:13 ◼   ► Okay, okay.

00:09:15 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:09:16 ◼   ► The question is, do you believe in ghosts?

00:09:19 ◼   ► You see, I kind of feel like I can score this.

00:09:22 ◼   ► [Sings]

00:09:24 ◼   ► No.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Federico?

00:09:25 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, ghosts I do.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Alright, I don't want any more. I'm no two, but that's all I wanted.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Right? I just feel like we're entering this paranormal world together.

00:09:36 ◼   ► I just want to set some stakes, you know?

00:09:38 ◼   ► Big time, yeah, ghosts big time, man.

00:09:41 ◼   ► I don't believe some other things, but ghosts, yeah.

00:09:45 ◼   ► I mean, what else are you going to do when you die? Just hang around and you're invisible. That's so cool.

00:09:50 ◼   ► No, that's just it. You're done.

00:09:53 ◼   ► You know? I mean, it depends on what you believe. I believe.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Have you seen Casper in the movie? That's exactly what they look like.

00:09:59 ◼   ► He was a friendly ghost.

00:10:01 ◼   ► I have seen him. Casper the friendliest ghost? The friendliest ghost, you know.

00:10:05 ◼   ► On CAPTCHA training, remember we were talking about CAPTCHA training?

00:10:08 ◼   ► What a pivot!

00:10:09 ◼   ► I know.

00:10:10 ◼   ► Jose wrote in to say, which is a good reminder,

00:10:16 ◼   ► "The original Google CAPTCHA helped train their OCR algorithms when they were doing

00:10:21 ◼   ► their library project to scan every book in the world.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

00:10:25 ◼   ► It used to show you like weirdly printed words and you had to write down what they were?

00:10:30 ◼   ► And now we just have to say this is a stop sign, this is a stop sign because they're

00:10:33 ◼   ► trying to train their Waymo cars.

00:10:36 ◼   ► On the Hackit number, Sarah wrote in and asked, "Do Apple TVs contribute to the Hackit number?

00:10:41 ◼   ► They're not laptops or desktops, not iPods or iPhones, which have been counted.

00:10:46 ◼   ► iPhones and iPods have hard drives, so do Apple TVs."

00:10:49 ◼   ► I mean if Apple forgets about tvOS I feel like we can also forget about the Apple TV.

00:10:53 ◼   ► I don't think it should count but I did just want to know how many Apple TV's Steven has

00:10:57 ◼   ► is why I wanted to ask this question.

00:10:59 ◼   ► So last year in the report that Kate gave us last week I had told you how many X serves

00:11:06 ◼   ► in Apple TV's and a bunch of other stuff.

00:11:08 ◼   ► The Hackett number is as it is calculated on Justin's website.

00:11:13 ◼   ► But as far as number of Apple TVs, I don't actually know, like, probably four?

00:11:19 ◼   ► No, this is the question.

00:11:21 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Are any of those actually in use, or is it like four?

00:11:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got a 4K that's in use.

00:11:26 ◼   ► So one is in use and three are old.

00:11:28 ◼   ► I'm guessing they're all the old ones, like the big ones.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Uh, yeah.

00:11:33 ◼   ► And I have an original, which is cool.

00:11:34 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:11:35 ◼   ► The old big ones.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Or do you mean, like, what do you mean by original?

00:11:39 ◼   ► The original one looked like a thin Mac Mini.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Yeah, the silver one.

00:11:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got the silver one and then I've got probably one of each like the little black pucks.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Oh, the little black pucks. Okay.

00:11:49 ◼   ► Remember it was $99 for a while? That was cool.

00:11:52 ◼   ► No, I remember that. Do you remember it was originally called ITV?

00:11:55 ◼   ► Yep. Yes, I do.

00:11:59 ◼   ► I'm really happy that that didn't work out for them because that's a bad name.

00:12:04 ◼   ► Apple TV is a better name.

00:12:05 ◼   ► It is.

00:12:06 ◼   ► iWatch.

00:12:08 ◼   ► I would like to just ask connected listeners again to help out with a future quiz segment,

00:12:14 ◼   ► multiple quiz segments for the connected quiz by filling out the "Do You Know the Passionate Ones"

00:12:20 ◼   ► survey. You can find the link in the show notes. I have been very surprised by just how many people

00:12:27 ◼   ► have filled it in so far. So I think this is going to be a really good representative sample

00:12:32 ◼   ► of connected listeners, to address some follow-up, to address some questions I'll say that I've

00:12:39 ◼   ► gotten from some listeners who want clarification on the questions, kind of the point of the

00:12:44 ◼   ► way they are written is I want you to answer what you think the answer is.

00:12:49 ◼   ► That's kind of the point.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Because with this kind of game, the real meta-game is that Steven and Federico have to try and

00:12:59 ◼   ► guess what the majority of listeners would say. So I will give a little bit of

00:13:04 ◼   ► context. There's a question where I reference when you were at school what

00:13:10 ◼   ► was X and people are saying to me what do you mean by school and my answer to

00:13:17 ◼   ► them is whatever you think it means. Yeah the whole point of the game is how well

00:13:21 ◼   ► we know the listeners. You've got to get into the mindset of the listeners right

00:13:26 ◼   ► Because in a question like that, it's like, how old do you think our listener base is?

00:13:31 ◼   ► And how old do they think we are?

00:13:33 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:13:34 ◼   ► Something I think about a lot.

00:13:36 ◼   ► Very. Is it very or not? I don't think it's a middle.

00:13:41 ◼   ► I think the majority of our listeners either think we're old or really young.

00:13:45 ◼   ► And I don't think anybody thinks you're our age.

00:13:49 ◼   ► We also found out that quite a few people think I'm a short person.

00:13:55 ◼   ► the tallest of us. Where did this come up? Ah, years ago at WWDC at least like

00:14:01 ◼   ► multiple people said well you talk slower obviously because they have smart

00:14:06 ◼   ► speed but also that I'm taller than they expected. Well you know I always

00:14:09 ◼   ► thought you were taller. Yeah but that's psychological. So height wise Federico is

00:14:18 ◼   ► the tallest, Myke is in the middle, I am the shortest and I'm six feet tall you

00:14:24 ◼   ► guys are both... I'm a smidge over. Like Myke, you're like an inch taller than me

00:14:28 ◼   ► if it goes like an inch taller than you. By the way, the word I was thinking

00:14:31 ◼   ► about before is "chiro-mancer," but that's still wrong because a chiro-mancer is

00:14:38 ◼   ► someone who predicts a person's future by reading the lines on the palms of

00:14:43 ◼   ► their hands. So I was thinking of that word, but it's not the correct profession

00:14:48 ◼   ► anyway. What about necromancer? Well, that has to do with the death,

00:14:52 ◼   ► doesn't it? Well... Isn't a necromancer someone who brings the dead back from, you know...

00:14:59 ◼   ► That's what I thought but it just says here as a dictionary definition a person

00:15:03 ◼   ► who practices necromancy but I guess what is necromancy? The supposed practice

00:15:07 ◼   ► of communicating with the dead especially in order to predict the

00:15:11 ◼   ► future. So again it's all still, it's all future-based. I want someone to tell me

00:15:16 ◼   ► if I've had a curse in the past not if I'm gonna have a curse in the future, you know what I mean?

00:15:21 ◼   ► Am I currently cursed now? Who's telling me that? No one.

00:15:24 ◼   ► Right. Well, no, there are people who supposedly do that, but I don't know.

00:15:29 ◼   ► But we don't know what they're called.

00:15:31 ◼   ► We don't know what they're called.

00:15:33 ◼   ► This is the problem. We can't find them.

00:15:35 ◼   ► If you are familiar with a person who identifies ongoing curses, let us know.

00:15:42 ◼   ► Are we done with whatever that was?

00:15:44 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:45 ◼   ► It was a good follow-up.

00:15:47 ◼   ► Just in case you hadn't already guessed, we recorded this episode very in advance, and so,

00:15:54 ◼   ► you know, there could have been so much news, but you're not going to hear about literally any of

00:15:58 ◼   ► it. You're going to hear about necromancy. If only we could know about the future, then...

00:16:04 ◼   ► See? See? We needed to have a necromancer, a kyromancer, and a fortune teller - this is like

00:16:13 ◼   ► like a start of a joke on this episode. And also chiropractor because my back is

00:16:17 ◼   ► a bit stiff at the moment. That wouldn't be too bad either. But yeah. For the record,

00:16:24 ◼   ► we're recording this the day after episode 403. It's hard to do two of these in a

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00:18:25 ◼   ► Some weeks ago in episode 397, we did a impromptu tier list ranking of iPads.

00:18:33 ◼   ► It was iPads that we did, wasn't it? No, iPods.

00:18:36 ◼   ► iPods.

00:18:37 ◼   ► iPods.

00:18:37 ◼   ► iPods.

00:18:38 ◼   ► I didn't just get that wrong, I forgot. It was iPods.

00:18:42 ◼   ► Ooh, I had COVID!

00:18:44 ◼   ► Leave me alone, I got COVID.

00:18:46 ◼   ► And now we're gonna do iPhones.

00:18:49 ◼   ► So we are going to rank.

00:18:51 ◼   ► This was a point, me and Steven had a conversation about this and I think he allowed my thinking

00:18:58 ◼   ► to go forward here, was we will rank every single iPhone model, all of them.

00:19:05 ◼   ► We have, we're using a tier maker list, as we did before, we're going to have Steven

00:19:10 ◼   ► share his screen with Federico and I so we can see this together and we will put a screenshot

00:19:17 ◼   ► in the show notes of the completed tier list when it's done.

00:19:20 ◼   ► "Steven, would you like to boot up the screen sharing and we can get this rock and roll?"

00:19:25 ◼   ► So this is all of them, right?

00:19:26 ◼   ► We're doing all the phones, including all of the six models.

00:19:31 ◼   ► Steven was like, "Should we do..."

00:19:32 ◼   ► This is just a... whatever.

00:19:35 ◼   ► My thinking was, say for example, the 6 and 6 Plus, very different phones.

00:19:44 ◼   ► So these aren't...

00:19:46 ◼   ► I will say this is not in great order here.

00:19:49 ◼   ► we might have to reorder this a little bit as we go.

00:19:52 ◼   ► - Probably jump around a little bit.

00:19:53 ◼   ► And I mean, the best of our knowledge,

00:19:56 ◼   ► none of these are missing, but we'll do our best.

00:19:59 ◼   ► - I did a scan through and it looked complete to me.

00:20:03 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:20:04 ◼   ► - Should we go in order?

00:20:06 ◼   ► Like we'll go, how would you guys like to do this?

00:20:08 ◼   ► Would you like to go in historical order?

00:20:11 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:20:12 ◼   ► - So this list has 2G as the original,

00:20:16 ◼   ► so the original iPhone.

00:20:17 ◼   ► So we're gonna go S to D again?

00:20:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:20:22 ◼   ► - Does anyone wanna open the bidding?

00:20:23 ◼   ► - S tier, baby.

00:20:25 ◼   ► It's the first one.

00:20:26 ◼   ► - Our original iPhone is S tier.

00:20:28 ◼   ► I mean, it's the original one.

00:20:31 ◼   ► So, you know, by...

00:20:33 ◼   ► It's the phone that started a revolution.

00:20:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:20:37 ◼   ► - Historically speaking, it's S tier.

00:20:40 ◼   ► Now, obviously by today's standard, it's...

00:20:44 ◼   ► - It doesn't even make this list.

00:20:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:20:46 ◼   ► It doesn't even have apps!

00:20:48 ◼   ► Look, it's got web apps, okay?

00:20:51 ◼   ► And finally iOS 16 beta 2 makes web apps that go full screen work nicer.

00:20:59 ◼   ► I've said this and I don't know if it's true.

00:21:01 ◼   ► Did the original iPhone get the App Store?

00:21:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:05 ◼   ► It did?

00:21:06 ◼   ► Yeah, the year after.

00:21:08 ◼   ► I couldn't remember if that was 3G only.

00:21:10 ◼   ► No, no.

00:21:11 ◼   ► It did have pretty short software support.

00:21:14 ◼   ► I think iOS 3 is the last version it got.

00:21:17 ◼   ► I don't think it got iPhone OS 4.

00:21:19 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, Federico is right.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Like it started the whole thing.

00:21:22 ◼   ► It was incredible.

00:21:25 ◼   ► I mean, if you used a smartphone before this,

00:21:28 ◼   ► you know that they were nothing like the iPhone

00:21:30 ◼   ► and now everything is like the iPhone.

00:21:32 ◼   ► So I think S tier it is.

00:21:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:21:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, for me personally,

00:21:37 ◼   ► like I don't wanna rank too many of these

00:21:40 ◼   ► on their like historicalness.

00:21:43 ◼   ► - Oh, well then--

00:21:43 ◼   ► definitely. Yeah, but like I guess a good way to approach it is in

00:21:49 ◼   ► the context of the era when it came out, was it a great product and what kind of

00:21:56 ◼   ► impact did it have later? Because otherwise obviously like the latest

00:22:01 ◼   ► iPhones are the best ones, but that's just from a technological point of view

00:22:08 ◼   ► like yeah it's got better camera, better software, it's faster battery, less longer,

00:22:12 ◼   ► better display. But I think it's more important to consider the big picture of

00:22:18 ◼   ► these devices, like we did with the iPods. Let's say S tier for now.

00:22:23 ◼   ► I don't think this one's gonna move from there, to be honest. But yeah, we'll see.

00:22:27 ◼   ► Alright, next. iPhone 3G. What's the... So, this is a weird one. So the 3G... So we

00:22:36 ◼   ► never officially got the original iPhone in Italy. If you wanted to get a

00:22:39 ◼   ► on regional iPhone, you needed to purchase one on eBay, which is what my boss, my one

00:22:45 ◼   ► and only boss in my life at the time did. He bought a couple of American iPhones that

00:22:51 ◼   ► you needed to unlock to work on the Italian network. And if you wanted to do that, you

00:22:56 ◼   ► needed to do the first version of the jailbreak, which you guys remember Installer on the regional

00:23:03 ◼   ► iPhone, like before Cydia there was Installer, yeah. Then the following year we got the iPhone

00:23:10 ◼   ► 3G. I never bought an iPhone 3G. I stuck with the original iPhone and then I got the 3GS

00:23:19 ◼   ► the year later. So I never got the 3G myself. I had a 3G. I had the original and then I

00:23:25 ◼   ► had 3G. We could get the original. What I'll say for the 3G is obviously it got 3G which

00:23:33 ◼   ► which was a huge deal, speed wise.

00:23:35 ◼   ► - And GPS.

00:23:37 ◼   ► - And that was what I was gonna say.

00:23:38 ◼   ► That was a massive deal, the GPS,

00:23:40 ◼   ► 'cause that, I got my iPhone 3G three days

00:23:45 ◼   ► before I went on my first trip on my own as an adult.

00:23:51 ◼   ► I went to Paris.

00:23:52 ◼   ► Knowing that I was gonna be able to look on a map

00:23:54 ◼   ► and know which way I was pointing was a huge deal to me.

00:23:58 ◼   ► So I rate this one quite high.

00:24:00 ◼   ► I don't think it's higher than B-tier, but you could say,

00:24:05 ◼   ► 'cause I'm sure we're gonna have a lot of conversation

00:24:08 ◼   ► compared to the 3G to the 3GS soon,

00:24:11 ◼   ► but the 3G I think was a big deal

00:24:14 ◼   ► because of adding both 3G speeds and GPS.

00:24:18 ◼   ► I think that made it pretty important.

00:24:20 ◼   ► - I would back up a B-tier.

00:24:24 ◼   ► It also brought the headphone jack flush,

00:24:26 ◼   ► which was a big annoyance with the first iPhone.

00:24:28 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, oh yeah.

00:24:30 ◼   ► - I think B-tier is good.

00:24:32 ◼   ► It showed that Apple could rapidly innovate on the phone.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Right, having 3G networking out a year later

00:24:39 ◼   ► was a big deal.

00:24:39 ◼   ► - With a new design.

00:24:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:24:42 ◼   ► - Different design, yeah.

00:24:43 ◼   ► - A year later, we got the 3GS.

00:24:44 ◼   ► The first time Apple had an S phone,

00:24:47 ◼   ► first time they recycled a design.

00:24:50 ◼   ► This added a faster processor for the first time.

00:24:53 ◼   ► It also included a compass and pretty basic video recording.

00:25:00 ◼   ► I did not have, I don't think I had a 3G,

00:25:03 ◼   ► but I did have a 3GS, I had it in white.

00:25:05 ◼   ► Remember that, you could get it in white.

00:25:07 ◼   ► It was great, but it definitely,

00:25:10 ◼   ► I feel like it falls short of the 3G,

00:25:12 ◼   ► even though it added a lot more stuff,

00:25:15 ◼   ► you know, again, year on year,

00:25:17 ◼   ► I don't think it was as big of a deal as the 3G,

00:25:20 ◼   ► and I don't know, like I enjoyed my time with it, but.

00:25:25 ◼   ► - I'd like to offer a correction to myself.

00:25:27 ◼   ► I said that the iPhone 3G let me know what way I was facing.

00:25:31 ◼   ► It didn't, it showed me where I was on the map.

00:25:33 ◼   ► It needed the compass to tell me which way I was facing.

00:25:35 ◼   ► - Right. - So I didn't get that

00:25:36 ◼   ► until later. - Which is wild

00:25:37 ◼   ► that they didn't ship at the same time,

00:25:39 ◼   ► but I guess that is what it is.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, but still, just the GPS was a huge deal, right?

00:25:44 ◼   ► Anyway, like you could see where you were on the map.

00:25:46 ◼   ► The 3GS is the only iPhone I skipped.

00:25:50 ◼   ► - It was the first iPhone that I bought with my own money.

00:25:53 ◼   ► And I loved the 3GS.

00:25:57 ◼   ► I have so many fond memories of the 3GS,

00:26:00 ◼   ► because it's also the phone that I started really

00:26:03 ◼   ► doing Mac stories with.

00:26:05 ◼   ► And so I remember I have all these memories of all these

00:26:08 ◼   ► apps that I was testing on the iPhone,

00:26:10 ◼   ► and I needed to write all these reviews,

00:26:12 ◼   ► because I had just started the website.

00:26:16 ◼   ► And so I was really going wild with installing apps

00:26:19 ◼   ► from the App Store.

00:26:20 ◼   ► And the App Store was so young.

00:26:22 ◼   ► I loved the 3GS and especially because it was my,

00:26:25 ◼   ► like I could do video and you know,

00:26:29 ◼   ► the first version of Google Maps, man, those,

00:26:33 ◼   ► I would, I don't think the 3GS is S tier.

00:26:36 ◼   ► I would push for an A tier,

00:26:40 ◼   ► but I could accept also a B tier maybe, high B tier.

00:26:45 ◼   ► What are you guys leaning?

00:26:48 ◼   ► - I don't think it could break B tier, to be honest.

00:26:51 ◼   ► - But it's 2B.

00:26:52 ◼   ► - That is good, 'cause I think it added enough

00:26:55 ◼   ► on top of the 3G that the 3G added on top of the 2G.

00:26:59 ◼   ► And like, I don't think either of them really break out,

00:27:02 ◼   ► especially when we're about to talk about the iPhone 4.

00:27:05 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:27:06 ◼   ► All right, so we can give BTS to the 3DS.

00:27:09 ◼   ► iPhone 4, and we're now in 2010.

00:27:14 ◼   ► So there's a before and after the iPhone 4.

00:27:16 ◼   ► The before is obviously the leak.

00:27:19 ◼   ► the iPhone that was lost in a bar, found pictures and the unit itself given to Gizmodo, who

00:27:27 ◼   ► published an article and Steve Jobs got upset and then the police got involved and it was

00:27:32 ◼   ► a whole story. And famously, this is still when Apple was announcing new iPhones in June.

00:27:40 ◼   ► And so Steve Jobs joked on stage like, "Stop me if you've seen this before, but trust me,

00:27:46 ◼   ► really haven't seen it yet. But that was a wild story. And the iPhone itself, to me,

00:27:54 ◼   ► I will just come right out and say it, this is to me an S-tier iPhone. The scene for the

00:28:01 ◼   ► first time, the retina display, was incredible. I remember being one of the first people in

00:28:08 ◼   ► Viterbo who got an iPhone 4 and I remember my friends asking me to if they

00:28:16 ◼   ► could just look at the display and try out the camera to see what it was gonna

00:28:22 ◼   ► what it was gonna look like. Was also the first phone with a gate.

00:28:28 ◼   ► Zantana gate was the iPhone 4. Yeah we had that we had the issue with the

00:28:34 ◼   ► white finish not shipping until the very end we had issues with the the

00:28:41 ◼   ► proximity sensor they had a couple software updates to fix all that it

00:28:44 ◼   ► definitely had a bit of a marred entry I think a lot of people would say that

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's the most beautiful iPhone or one of those beautiful iPhones and it brought

00:28:53 ◼   ► the retina display like I think it's a tier if not s I would push for an S tier

00:29:00 ◼   ► I mean also the design of the iPhone 4 it influenced like what the 4s the 5s

00:29:12 ◼   ► and the SC right and then the 13 and then it came back in fashion again so

00:29:20 ◼   ► like I mean the iPhone I think the iPhone 4 is a clear sort of you know

00:29:27 ◼   ► moment in Apple's history, which is like this is an iconic design that has aged very well.

00:29:37 ◼   ► It's back in fashion again, but also at the time it felt like such an incredible upgrade

00:29:44 ◼   ► from the 3GS and it ruined the older iPhones. Once you saw that display, it ruined everything

00:29:52 ◼   ► else.

00:29:53 ◼   ► I think it's an S tier.

00:29:55 ◼   ► I think it's an S tier because of what it was at the time and the story, the leak and

00:30:00 ◼   ► the antenna gate and the special press conference for antenna and the bumpers.

00:30:05 ◼   ► Remember the free bumper?

00:30:07 ◼   ► Free bumper was awesome.

00:30:08 ◼   ► That was a great little case.

00:30:10 ◼   ► Never a better iPhone case than the bumper.

00:30:13 ◼   ► And you can still try and get them today, but they just don't work as well.

00:30:16 ◼   ► You know, like that was the best iPhone case.

00:30:18 ◼   ► It was the perfect case.

00:30:21 ◼   ► Up next we have the 4S, which was the first fall release iPhone.

00:30:27 ◼   ► And again, recycling the design of the 4, this phone brought Siri with it.

00:30:33 ◼   ► And remember, Siri was just locked to the 4S and eventually it came to the iPad and

00:30:38 ◼   ► they slowly rolled it out across their devices.

00:30:41 ◼   ► But it was the...

00:30:43 ◼   ► The 4S sort of helped cement the pattern, right?

00:30:46 ◼   ► 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5, 5S.

00:30:49 ◼   ► and they've been in that, they were in that pattern for quite a long time. It's a solid

00:30:54 ◼   ► phone, it's also the phone, no the 4 is what, there was a Verizon version of the iPhone

00:31:01 ◼   ► 4, the 4 was the first time it was beyond AT&T here in the US. But it was like halfway

00:31:06 ◼   ► through right? It was like, it wasn't immediate. Yeah the 4s is a solid phone but you know,

00:31:12 ◼   ► it definitely lives in the shadow of the 4 in a big way. This means nothing really, but

00:31:18 ◼   ► this was announced the day before Steve died, right?

00:31:22 ◼   ► Like this doesn't make a difference for the tier list.

00:31:25 ◼   ► It doesn't make it like a D tier phone, but.

00:31:27 ◼   ► - Remember that people thought it was called 4S

00:31:29 ◼   ► because it meant 4Steve?

00:31:31 ◼   ► Personally, it was a fine phone, but like Siri,

00:31:38 ◼   ► I mean, it was kinda, I mean,

00:31:41 ◼   ► it still is kinda terrible for a lot of things.

00:31:45 ◼   ► I mean it was, it was, it was fun. Like, Siri was fine, right? Like, Siri was fine.

00:31:51 ◼   ► It was okay, but I also remember a ton of people getting upset that the iPhone 4 did not get Siri.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Just like, just like people are upset now the stage manager is for M1 iPad only.

00:32:05 ◼   ► That's not a thing that people get upset about.

00:32:07 ◼   ► I would say C tier.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:11 ◼   ► There's no, you know, this is not really notable, I feel like.

00:32:15 ◼   ► Like these, the other phones that we've mentioned, I don't really feel like, but it's not bad.

00:32:18 ◼   ► It was perfectly fine for the time, but like, looking back, I don't think it's mega exciting.

00:32:24 ◼   ► I mean, what else was new besides Siri? Like a better camera?

00:32:29 ◼   ► I think it had better video in particular.

00:32:31 ◼   ► It had an 8 megapixel camera with a 1080p video recording. It was also the first, it also had a A5.

00:32:39 ◼   ► it wasn't the iPhone 4 we didn't mention this right it was the first Apple A branded chip.

00:32:45 ◼   ► Yeah I would agree with the 4s getting the C tier it's not really D tier because it wasn't a

00:32:52 ◼   ► terrible phone but it was an okay update so C tier good for me I think. All right up next we have the

00:33:00 ◼   ► iPhone 5. The first time an iPhone got a bigger display remember it was the same horizontally but

00:33:08 ◼   ► but it grew vertically.

00:33:09 ◼   ► And it brought LTE,

00:33:12 ◼   ► and it brought a revised design with an aluminum back.

00:33:16 ◼   ► So they got rid of the glass back from the 4 and 4S,

00:33:18 ◼   ► so it weighed a lot less.

00:33:20 ◼   ► I remember the primary thing about the iPhone 5

00:33:22 ◼   ► was you picked it up and it felt fake.

00:33:25 ◼   ► This didn't weigh anything.

00:33:27 ◼   ► It was really cool.

00:33:29 ◼   ► And came in silver and white, but also came in slate,

00:33:34 ◼   ► which is like this really cool dark black color.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And it was before the space gray era,

00:33:40 ◼   ► but I thought the black,

00:33:42 ◼   ► the slate iPhone 5 looked really cool.

00:33:45 ◼   ► - And it was the first iPhone of a lightning port.

00:33:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was about to say,

00:33:50 ◼   ► I have no recollection of this generation of iPhones

00:33:54 ◼   ► besides the lightning connector.

00:33:57 ◼   ► Like that's, I didn't really like the design

00:34:01 ◼   ► of the 5 and the 5S.

00:34:04 ◼   ► I thought it felt kind of cheap

00:34:07 ◼   ► because it was so much lighter than the,

00:34:09 ◼   ► like I didn't really like the aluminum back.

00:34:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't have a ton of fond memories for this one.

00:34:17 ◼   ► - As you can imagine, I loved it

00:34:20 ◼   ► 'cause the screen got bigger.

00:34:22 ◼   ► So I was a big fan of this phone.

00:34:24 ◼   ► I mean, I'm not one of the people,

00:34:25 ◼   ► like there are some people that say

00:34:26 ◼   ► that this is the best looking iPhone ever made.

00:34:28 ◼   ► I'm not one of those people,

00:34:30 ◼   ► but I think that this phone is good for these reasons, right?

00:34:34 ◼   ► LTE, bigger screen, lightning connector.

00:34:38 ◼   ► It also had a much better camera,

00:34:42 ◼   ► the Sony 8 megapixel camera.

00:34:44 ◼   ► I mean, I would say this is a,

00:34:46 ◼   ► I would say this, for me, starts at a B.

00:34:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was thinking B,

00:34:51 ◼   ► or maybe we break the seal on the A tier.

00:34:53 ◼   ► - I would be happy if it going into A,

00:34:56 ◼   ► but I think it would be tricky

00:34:57 ◼   ► because Federico seems to really not like it.

00:34:59 ◼   ► - For the iPhone 5 A tier,

00:35:02 ◼   ► Let's keep it in B tier and we can reevaluate.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Yeah. Okay. It's B tier it is.

00:35:07 ◼   ► We have an A tier coming up anyway, so.

00:35:10 ◼   ► 5C now.

00:35:11 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, no. Yes. I'm serious.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Oh, I am 100% thinking the 5C is our first D tier phone.

00:35:21 ◼   ► What?

00:35:22 ◼   ► What?

00:35:23 ◼   ► What? No, no.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Why?

00:35:25 ◼   ► This is like...

00:35:26 ◼   ► Why?

00:35:27 ◼   ► It was incredible and weird. The one time that Apple did something weird, we're not

00:35:31 ◼   ► rewarding them for doing so it came in colors and it was plastic. They made bad decisions like just

00:35:37 ◼   ► bad decisions the case with the none in it? Yes stupid yes no stupid it was great it was like

00:35:46 ◼   ► so avoidable so avoidable just don't put the holes on that area no it was the cross iPhone no

00:35:55 ◼   ► It looked incredible.

00:35:56 ◼   ► And it was, there was a green one?

00:35:59 ◼   ► - I don't think I could have this be A tier.

00:36:02 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:36:03 ◼   ► It's like the iPod Nano all over again.

00:36:06 ◼   ► - It is.

00:36:07 ◼   ► - This is wild to me.

00:36:08 ◼   ► I mean, look, you can outvote me,

00:36:10 ◼   ► but I just want to get it on the record.

00:36:12 ◼   ► - You hate fun.

00:36:13 ◼   ► That's the problem.

00:36:13 ◼   ► - No.

00:36:14 ◼   ► No, I love fun.

00:36:16 ◼   ► But they ruined this one.

00:36:18 ◼   ► - It was also the first time,

00:36:19 ◼   ► and really kind of only time,

00:36:21 ◼   ► Apple deviated from the old phone gets cheaper

00:36:26 ◼   ► and the 5 went away.

00:36:28 ◼   ► The 5S is, or the 5S was new,

00:36:30 ◼   ► we'll talk about that in a second.

00:36:31 ◼   ► The 5C was basically the iPhone 5 in a new enclosure

00:36:36 ◼   ► with a slightly updated FaceTime camera.

00:36:39 ◼   ► Assuming that was because the 5 was too expensive to make

00:36:42 ◼   ► or they needed something cheaper to make at the cheaper end,

00:36:45 ◼   ► but it was the only time and it was super colorful.

00:36:49 ◼   ► It came out with iOS 7

00:36:50 ◼   ► And so there was a lot of interplay between the hardware colors and the wallpapers that

00:36:55 ◼   ► were set by default.

00:36:56 ◼   ► I agree with Federico.

00:36:58 ◼   ► I think it should be rewarded for being unusual.

00:37:02 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:37:03 ◼   ► I mean, look at it.

00:37:04 ◼   ► I want to just make, I want to make one final statement and you can put this wherever you

00:37:08 ◼   ► want.

00:37:09 ◼   ► Okay.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I think it is weird to A or S tier a phone that none of us chose to own as our phones.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I skipped this generation entirely.

00:37:17 ◼   ► I went from a 4S to a 6.

00:37:19 ◼   ► So you hated all of the 5s?

00:37:21 ◼   ► No, I just... I think that year Mary got a 5s.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Wasn't this when you were on Android?

00:37:26 ◼   ► Uh, that's also possible.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:30 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you did the thing.

00:37:32 ◼   ► Yeah, you did the thing.

00:37:32 ◼   ► Didn't you do the thing where you used like, Droid for a year or something?

00:37:38 ◼   ► I had a Palm Pre and a Droid.

00:37:41 ◼   ► Yeah, you did that.

00:37:42 ◼   ► Was it called 512 at the time or was it still Fork Bomber?

00:37:49 ◼   ► I think it was Folk Bomber then, it probably was Folk Bomber.

00:37:51 ◼   ► It may have been Folk Bomber.

00:37:53 ◼   ► So where are we putting this?

00:37:54 ◼   ► So Myke doesn't want to do A tier.

00:37:58 ◼   ► We wanted to do D tier.

00:38:00 ◼   ► We're not doing D tier.

00:38:01 ◼   ► No, we don't have to do D tier.

00:38:02 ◼   ► I know what we're doing D tier for, personally.

00:38:06 ◼   ► Oh, me too.

00:38:06 ◼   ► I have a bunch of D tiers already scanned out.

00:38:09 ◼   ► Oh, it's going to be great.

00:38:11 ◼   ► It's going to be a real valley of D tier for a while.

00:38:15 ◼   ► I think we go B tier as a compromise.

00:38:18 ◼   ► I would be perfectly fine with that.

00:38:20 ◼   ► But it's an A tier in our hearts.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Okay.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Yes, yes, yes.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Fine.

00:38:25 ◼   ► Alright, yeah, we'll go with B.

00:38:27 ◼   ► So we skipped the 5S, so...

00:38:30 ◼   ► What was the 5S? I honestly don't remember.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Touch ID.

00:38:35 ◼   ► Touch ID!

00:38:36 ◼   ► 64-bit, A7.

00:38:38 ◼   ► The M7 motion code processor.

00:38:41 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I was into that.

00:38:44 ◼   ► Came in gold.

00:38:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:45 ◼   ► For the first time.

00:38:46 ◼   ► Solid phone.

00:38:48 ◼   ► If you didn't like the 5 design, it didn't change at all.

00:38:51 ◼   ► But Touch ID was the first biometric security on an iPhone, right?

00:38:57 ◼   ► I think the 5S should be pretty high.

00:38:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:59 ◼   ► So I will make a pitch here just like not to put it in a ranking, but just as like a thing.

00:39:05 ◼   ► I think that Touch ID was as big and important to the iPhone as the Retina display.

00:39:10 ◼   ► I don't disagree.

00:39:12 ◼   ► I don't think this is S tier.

00:39:13 ◼   ► I wouldn't say S tier.

00:39:15 ◼   ► I think this is my first A tier phone.

00:39:19 ◼   ► - Agreed.

00:39:19 ◼   ► - Now that you reminded me of what it was

00:39:21 ◼   ► with touch ID and the M7,

00:39:24 ◼   ► all the new generation of fitness apps,

00:39:26 ◼   ► like pedometer plus plus came out in this era, I think,

00:39:31 ◼   ► because of the M7.

00:39:32 ◼   ► - It did.

00:39:33 ◼   ► This was the first 64 bit.

00:39:36 ◼   ► Yeah, dual core system on a chip with the A7.

00:39:38 ◼   ► This phone was a big deal.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Plus, I mean, if we put the 5C as B tier,

00:39:43 ◼   ► - This has to be higher.

00:39:44 ◼   ► - Let's go iPhone 5C, yes.

00:39:49 ◼   ► Yeah, this is an A, not S tier

00:39:51 ◼   ► because like I don't exactly remember

00:39:53 ◼   ► like off the top of my head what was new in the 5S.

00:39:55 ◼   ► - No, I don't think this is an S tier.

00:39:56 ◼   ► - But now that you mention it, it is A tier.

00:39:59 ◼   ► At the time, it was a great upgrade.

00:40:02 ◼   ► Yeah, now I remember.

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00:42:02 ◼   ► - All right, so next in the list, we're now in 2014.

00:42:07 ◼   ► iPhone 6. So iPhone 6, a couple of things. Brand new design and the first time that Apple is selling the new iPhone in two versions.

00:42:19 ◼   ► This marks the debut of the Plus family of devices. So we have the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 Plus, which is the bigger one, which also marked the start of the Plus Club, as it was known at the time.

00:42:34 ◼   ► So the iPhone 6, and I'm pulling up the specs here, so the iPhone, the base model iPhone 6 was a...

00:42:44 ◼   ► What kind of display was it? 4.7?

00:42:46 ◼   ► 4.7 inches.

00:42:48 ◼   ► And the plus was 5.5?

00:42:50 ◼   ► 5.5.

00:42:51 ◼   ► Yeah, 5.5.

00:42:52 ◼   ► So it was a 1080p display on the 6 Plus.

00:42:57 ◼   ► and brand new design with the rounded edges. This is the kind of design

00:43:04 ◼   ► that's gonna be around for a while. Touch ID, better camera, front facing cameras

00:43:12 ◼   ► now doing 720p video recording. There's an 8 megapixel camera on

00:43:18 ◼   ► the back. What else was worth noting on the 6 family? I think that's about it.

00:43:24 ◼   ► it. It was a huge salespike for Apple. There was so much pent-up demand for larger iPhones.

00:43:31 ◼   ► Yes. And they struggled with that for years to come because the 6 was such a huge high point.

00:43:37 ◼   ► Phone sales for a while after that looked bad in comparison. They eventually sort of

00:43:42 ◼   ► rided the ship with Wall Street, but it was this huge explosion. I don't love the design,

00:43:49 ◼   ► and I think it's aged pretty poorly in terms of how it looks.

00:43:54 ◼   ► And it started a just terrible time of iPhone design.

00:43:58 ◼   ► With the rounded edges and...

00:44:00 ◼   ► Just the iPhone 6 design stuck around for so long.

00:44:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:06 ◼   ► Like it's still around, right?

00:44:09 ◼   ► Yeah, the SE still uses the same basic design.

00:44:11 ◼   ► So I think 6D.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:44:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't disagree.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Because 6 plus, right? S. That's where I am baby.

00:44:26 ◼   ► I actually disagree with this. Okay, so let's handle the 6 first. I don't think we can give it a D.

00:44:32 ◼   ► I think D is truly terrible.

00:44:33 ◼   ► Well look what it did, right? Design-wise, the iPhone was so boring for so long.

00:44:40 ◼   ► But we didn't know that at the time, right?

00:44:43 ◼   ► But we're not ranking how we knew it at the time.

00:44:46 ◼   ► I'm not saying we do.

00:44:46 ◼   ► Really?

00:44:47 ◼   ► but I think that it deserves a benefit of a doubt above a D. I am willing to put it in C.

00:44:54 ◼   ► Okay, you know what? Put it in C because then I know where we're putting the seven,

00:45:00 ◼   ► all right? They're for many good reasons. And I say six plus. Six plus is an S tier.

00:45:07 ◼   ► Uh-uh.

00:45:08 ◼   ► A tier.

00:45:09 ◼   ► No, it's A. It had a critical flaw. Do you remember the problem with the six plus?

00:45:13 ◼   ► What, the bending?

00:45:16 ◼   ► that was the bending but it didn't have enough memory and so it was slow compared to the other

00:45:23 ◼   ► phones. I think 6S+ is S tier. I think 6+ is probably A. Yeah because the 6+ was doing,

00:45:29 ◼   ► it didn't have enough memory for the downscaling that the display was doing. Okay, the only reason

00:45:35 ◼   ► I went with it is because it was the first big one. That was why I wanted to put it in S, so it's

00:45:40 ◼   ► like it's slightly historical but you know what, I think that actually works pretty well. Let's put

00:45:44 ◼   ► 6 Plus in A and let's just straight away just put 6S Plus in S like that's taken care of, right?

00:45:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I love the 6S Plus. - Such a great phone.

00:45:54 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I don't normally do this,

00:45:56 ◼   ► but I want to read something from my review of the 6S Plus just for some context. I'm also really

00:46:02 ◼   ► happy with how this reads years later. So the 6 Plus wasn't perfect with just one gigabyte of RAM,

00:46:07 ◼   ► it struggled under load. It had been years since I saw an iOS device stumble like the 6 Plus could,

00:46:13 ◼   ► and I got old quickly. Those extra pixels were just too much for the internals to handle at times.

00:46:18 ◼   ► The 6 Plus was kind of like that kid at prom who clearly just borrowed one of his dad's suits.

00:46:24 ◼   ► It was passable, but not great. That's funny. I have no memory of this, like the 6 Plus having

00:46:33 ◼   ► this memory issue. No memory of it all. That's funny. But that's a good, I like that analogy.

00:46:39 ◼   ► Thank you. I was happy with that.

00:46:41 ◼   ► I'm also checking out, now that you mentioned this, Stephen,

00:46:43 ◼   ► I also looked it up and I also had a story about the 6S Plus

00:46:47 ◼   ► called "How the 6S Plus is Reshaping My iPhone Experience."

00:46:50 ◼   ► And I just remembered that on the 6S Plus,

00:46:54 ◼   ► we also got the new Touch ID, second generation Touch ID.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. It was...

00:46:59 ◼   ► Was on the 6S Plus.

00:47:01 ◼   ► 3D Touch. And 3D Touch.

00:47:03 ◼   ► Which is a feature I still miss.

00:47:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I agree.

00:47:08 ◼   ► The iPhone 6S Plus is more than faster chips.

00:47:11 ◼   ► It brings a nimble, more productive iOS experience

00:47:14 ◼   ► that makes everyday interactions better.

00:47:16 ◼   ► - Wow, look at your home screen.

00:47:18 ◼   ► Editorial, outlook, dispatch to do,

00:47:23 ◼   ► man, some good stuff in there.

00:47:25 ◼   ► - Peek and pop, remember peek and pop?

00:47:27 ◼   ► - Peek and pop. - Peek and pop, baby.

00:47:29 ◼   ► - Our friends, peek and pop.

00:47:30 ◼   ► So what about the regular 6S then?

00:47:34 ◼   ► - So it got the better touch ID, obviously.

00:47:37 ◼   ► It got the 3D touch.

00:47:39 ◼   ► Rose gold.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Rose gold, which was actually really good looking.

00:47:42 ◼   ► It was good looking.

00:47:44 ◼   ► 4K, it could do, the 30 frames per second.

00:47:47 ◼   ► A9, live photos, come on.

00:47:51 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:47:52 ◼   ► This is a good phone.

00:47:53 ◼   ► So we wanna go B?

00:47:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:57 ◼   ► I would go B.

00:47:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:58 ◼   ► 'Cause it's not A, I feel like.

00:48:01 ◼   ► Up next we have the first iPhone SE,

00:48:04 ◼   ► which recycled the five,

00:48:07 ◼   ► and well really it recycled the 5S design,

00:48:10 ◼   ► but had the guts of the 6S minus 3D touch.

00:48:16 ◼   ► So this was great for people,

00:48:19 ◼   ► remember at this point,

00:48:20 ◼   ► a lot of people still really wanted that smaller phone size.

00:48:23 ◼   ► It definitely had its fans,

00:48:26 ◼   ► including my spouse who used an original iPhone SE

00:48:29 ◼   ► for a long, long time.

00:48:32 ◼   ► But it held the price point open to, I guess,

00:48:36 ◼   ► but I'm not particularly excited about any iPhone SE.

00:48:39 ◼   ► - So here's the thing with the SE, right?

00:48:43 ◼   ► The three of us don't care about this phone at all, right?

00:48:46 ◼   ► Like, just don't care about it.

00:48:48 ◼   ► I know people care about it, I'm not one of these people.

00:48:51 ◼   ► The iPhone SE, when it debuted, I guess,

00:48:55 ◼   ► was good for people who wanted this,

00:48:57 ◼   ► but then the problem with it is it stuck around

00:48:59 ◼   ► for too long, I feel like?

00:49:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, it really got old before the SE2 showed up.

00:49:04 ◼   ► - So I feel like for me, any good is weighed out

00:49:08 ◼   ► by just how long it stuck around for,

00:49:10 ◼   ► just four years. - Yeah, it kinda overstayed

00:49:13 ◼   ► its welcome, I think.

00:49:15 ◼   ► Like, it's enough with the original SEs.

00:49:17 ◼   ► - I would say, I mean, so this is the question, right?

00:49:20 ◼   ► Are we gonna D tier all the SEs?

00:49:23 ◼   ► - I think this one gets a C.

00:49:25 ◼   ► - No, no, not the, mm.

00:49:28 ◼   ► I wouldn't D tier the latest SC.

00:49:32 ◼   ► - What would I though? - I would.

00:49:34 ◼   ► Let's get to that when we get to it, but that's my question.

00:49:36 ◼   ► I mean, I could, for me, if I was going to rank any of them higher than a D,

00:49:42 ◼   ► it would be this one.

00:49:43 ◼   ► Like, and we'll put it at a C, because like, people really dug it.

00:49:49 ◼   ► I think it had the most momentum behind it.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, and also like, if again, this comes in whenever we need it.

00:49:55 ◼   ► Historically it was a weird and odd and like they brought the name SE to it

00:49:59 ◼   ► What does that mean and all that kind of stuff and I would say I say we could go see with this one

00:50:04 ◼   ► Yeah, we can go see okay. Yeah, but not any higher than that

00:50:09 ◼   ► I've got one word to describe the next iPhone courage

00:50:13 ◼   ► No the courage to move on yep from things that some people still want this has got to be the easiest

00:50:20 ◼   ► - D tier, D tier.

00:50:23 ◼   ► - D tier.

00:50:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:24 ◼   ► - D tier phone, D tier phone.

00:50:27 ◼   ► And I know we're gonna get these nerds who are like,

00:50:29 ◼   ► "But what about Jet Black?"

00:50:31 ◼   ► Don't care, don't care.

00:50:33 ◼   ► - It was cool.

00:50:34 ◼   ► - The problem with the iPhone 7

00:50:36 ◼   ► was the headphone jack removal.

00:50:39 ◼   ► - And yes, that is like 95% of it.

00:50:43 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:50:44 ◼   ► - But also they recycled the design for the third time.

00:50:47 ◼   ► And this was the first time we had seen that.

00:50:51 ◼   ► - So it was like, oh, well that's not what I wanted.

00:50:53 ◼   ► But the problem with the headphone jack removal

00:50:56 ◼   ► was there was no reason for it.

00:51:00 ◼   ► The reason was they were getting rid of it now

00:51:05 ◼   ► so they could get ready for the iPhone 10, right?

00:51:10 ◼   ► But they got rid of it early,

00:51:11 ◼   ► like they sacrificed the iPhone 7.

00:51:13 ◼   ► And I know why they did that, like that's fine,

00:51:16 ◼   ► but like it was just annoying at the time, right?

00:51:18 ◼   ► - Look, honestly, I still feel like it's kind of

00:51:22 ◼   ► a silly decision to get rid of the headphone jack.

00:51:26 ◼   ► Like it still comes up, I see this with Sylvia,

00:51:29 ◼   ► it still comes up a bunch of times every year

00:51:32 ◼   ► that like she needs to connect an iPhone

00:51:35 ◼   ► with a headphone jack to something.

00:51:36 ◼   ► And it's like, I gotta get the adapter.

00:51:40 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:51:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I love AirPods and would never go back,

00:51:45 ◼   ► but at the same time, it's just a strange thing to me to have gotten rid of it.

00:51:49 ◼   ► When it like, yeah, so I think this is an easy D tier for that reason.

00:51:54 ◼   ► It was just like, it was just an annoying thing.

00:51:56 ◼   ► It made the phone annoying.

00:51:57 ◼   ► It was annoying to talk about it at the time.

00:52:00 ◼   ► Like it had good, well, the 7 Plus had some good features.

00:52:04 ◼   ► Like it was the first phone to get a telephoto lens.

00:52:06 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:52:08 ◼   ► - So I feel like that would bump the 7 Plus up.

00:52:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, because the 7 Plus was the first one

00:52:12 ◼   ► to have the dual camera.

00:52:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, first iPhone with two cameras.

00:52:16 ◼   ► - I think seven plus is A tier.

00:52:20 ◼   ► - Wow, that's a big difference.

00:52:22 ◼   ► - Solely because of the camera thing,

00:52:23 ◼   ► because it showed us what was possible.

00:52:27 ◼   ► And Android phones have been doing this for a while,

00:52:29 ◼   ► Apple wasn't first, but it showed us iPhone users like,

00:52:31 ◼   ► "Oh, you can really do these other things."

00:52:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, you know why I'll agree with you?

00:52:36 ◼   ► Because I was very much on the bigger screen

00:52:41 ◼   ► and I convinced the two of you

00:52:42 ◼   ► and we all went to bigger screen

00:52:43 ◼   ► we were the plus club, right? And everyone's like "it's stupid with your big phone" and

00:52:48 ◼   ► then we got a feature that no other phone got and it was a really good one and everyone

00:52:52 ◼   ► got really jealous. So I will also agree with ATR for that reason.

00:52:57 ◼   ► Was the 7 plus also when portrait mode was introduced?

00:53:01 ◼   ► Yes.

00:53:02 ◼   ► Yes it was.

00:53:03 ◼   ► Oh yeah. Easy ATR.

00:53:04 ◼   ► It was the first one where they did the like "here's a preview of a feature we're working

00:53:08 ◼   ► on" you know?

00:53:09 ◼   ► Yeah for sure ATR then.

00:53:11 ◼   ► Now we have talked about the iPhone that everyone forgets.

00:53:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:53:16 ◼   ► The iPhone 8.

00:53:17 ◼   ► - D tier.

00:53:18 ◼   ► It's nothing, this phone did nothing.

00:53:22 ◼   ► - It had, we turned the glass back for wireless charging,

00:53:25 ◼   ► but that's about it.

00:53:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, that's, nobody, do we, I don't,

00:53:32 ◼   ► I honestly feel like there's kind of a, this must,

00:53:35 ◼   ► there must be a conspiracy theory

00:53:37 ◼   ► that the iPhone 8 never actually existed.

00:53:39 ◼   ► It's the Mandela Effect phone, right?

00:53:41 ◼   ► Yeah, yes, yes.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Do you know anybody who got an iPhone 8?

00:53:45 ◼   ► No.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Me neither.

00:53:47 ◼   ► How can we know for sure that the iPhone 8 existed?

00:53:50 ◼   ► It is weird because why...

00:53:52 ◼   ► I feel like not a lot of people would have chosen this phone.

00:53:56 ◼   ► They either would have kept their previous phone,

00:53:59 ◼   ► or got the X, right?

00:54:02 ◼   ► Like if they were upgrading that year, you'd maybe get a X,

00:54:05 ◼   ► or you would get an 8.

00:54:06 ◼   ► Now, I'm sure as many people in the Discord are already telling us the person that they know that had them

00:54:10 ◼   ► I'm not expecting that many like people that would listen to this show would necessarily choose an 8 that would surprise me

00:54:18 ◼   ► But maybe it was a price thing, you know, I don't know

00:54:21 ◼   ► Maybe like you could get one for free on a contract and the 10 was was

00:54:25 ◼   ► Super expensive again, like to mention what you said before this is now the fourth time we've had this design

00:54:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, D tier, and I would say the same for the 8 Plus.

00:54:35 ◼   ► Yeah, because I don't think it did anything any different.

00:54:38 ◼   ► No, no.

00:54:39 ◼   ► Unlike the 7 Plus, now the features were, you know, we had the telephoto there, these phones, like, why would you...

00:54:46 ◼   ► Well, I'm sure there were reasons, but in the grand scheme of things, this has to be one of Apple's

00:54:53 ◼   ► lowest points in terms of...

00:54:55 ◼   ► The iPhone 8 existed so they could charge a thousand dollars for the iPhone X.

00:55:01 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. That's the reason the iPhone 8 exists because they they couldn't have only made one phone that year and it cost

00:55:07 ◼   ► $1,000. Yeah still boring

00:55:09 ◼   ► Boring, boring phone. Yeah, boring, boring phone.

00:55:12 ◼   ► iPhone 10 or let's just face it

00:55:16 ◼   ► iPhone X and so people pronounced it for years

00:55:21 ◼   ► And still do. Yep. I'm just gonna say that for me. This is an S-tier iPhone

00:55:28 ◼   ► I agree with you.

00:55:30 ◼   ► Because of all... because this is like, just like the iPhone 4, this was another clear

00:55:35 ◼   ► moment in Apple's history when you look back and you can say, in that moment, that device

00:55:42 ◼   ► changed things.

00:55:44 ◼   ► The notch, the liquid retina display, the new design, the glass back.

00:55:50 ◼   ► The one negative aspect of the iPhone X was that there was no 10+ that year.

00:55:56 ◼   ► For that, we would have to wait the following year.

00:55:59 ◼   ► But at least the screen size was, it like, sat in the middle, right, of the two, so it

00:56:04 ◼   ► was, it was fine.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Yes, yes, and I, I remember one of my, one of my favorite stories, how I received the

00:56:12 ◼   ► iPhone X, I remember, I don't know if you guys remember, but you, you guys received

00:56:17 ◼   ► your iPhone Xs on the Friday, and in that week, there was a national UPS strike in Italy.

00:56:24 ◼   ► - I remember, 'cause I remember how upset you were.

00:56:27 ◼   ► - And I was so upset because I really, really wanted to get one.

00:56:31 ◼   ► - I think you just didn't respond to messages for a few days

00:56:33 ◼   ► 'cause you didn't want to see us talking about our iPhone 10.

00:56:36 ◼   ► - I was so upset and I was very jealous of everybody else.

00:56:39 ◼   ► Like, I'm just gonna get out of the internet for a few days.

00:56:43 ◼   ► And because I wanted to get this phone

00:56:46 ◼   ► as quickly as possible on the morning of the Monday,

00:56:50 ◼   ► after the weekend, I had arranged

00:56:53 ◼   ► to get the phone number of the UPS delivery guy.

00:56:58 ◼   ► And I called him and we met in the middle of the street

00:57:01 ◼   ► as he was doing other deliveries in my neighborhood in Rome

00:57:06 ◼   ► so just that he could grab the package for me

00:57:08 ◼   ► and give it to me like two hours before it would--

00:57:10 ◼   ► - It's when you grease the palm.

00:57:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's when I-- - Grease the palm.

00:57:14 ◼   ► - Where it all came from, like,

00:57:15 ◼   ► "Hey, can I get your phone number

00:57:17 ◼   ► in case I need special treatment for some deliveries?"

00:57:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:22 ◼   ► - I need special treatment.

00:57:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:57:25 ◼   ► I love that.

00:57:26 ◼   ► I'm deciding.

00:57:27 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:57:28 ◼   ► I need special treatment.

00:57:28 ◼   ► - I mean what?

00:57:29 ◼   ► You're not gonna do me a favor?

00:57:30 ◼   ► You're not gonna do me a favor of me,

00:57:32 ◼   ► such a lovable guy?

00:57:33 ◼   ► Come on.

00:57:34 ◼   ► - Such a lovable guy.

00:57:35 ◼   ► - Man of the people. - So handsome.

00:57:36 ◼   ► - So iPhone 10, great phone.

00:57:38 ◼   ► - S tier.

00:57:39 ◼   ► - S tier, easy.

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00:59:09 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 R

00:59:12 ◼   ► people thought this was an iPhone 5c

00:59:17 ◼   ► and it it kind of was I mean it was colorful it was cheaper than the 10s and

00:59:24 ◼   ► especially the tennis max it the size was interesting it was actually in

00:59:29 ◼   ► between the two so it was yeah it was kind of like a slightly bigger iPhone 10

00:59:36 ◼   ► but not as big as the max it was the in-between phone I really I really liked

00:59:41 ◼   ► the 10r and really enjoyed the colors and I used one for a while I ultimately

00:59:47 ◼   ► though missed having the telephoto camera. But I think the XR is better than

00:59:55 ◼   ► than people think it is. Yeah, I liked it a lot and I bought it as a gift from

01:00:03 ◼   ► my mom at WWDC 2018. Oh yeah! Yeah, I bought one for my mom. Yeah, yeah, she used it

01:00:13 ◼   ► until six months ago. Yeah, great phone. My mom still stood us on her tenor. I just went

01:00:18 ◼   ► to check. Well, I was 16-run on it and it will, so I don't need to upgrade her. Because

01:00:23 ◼   ► my mom is very happy, she just doesn't want to change her phone. She just likes her phone

01:00:27 ◼   ► and she doesn't want to change it. So like, I would love to give her a new iPhone, but

01:00:31 ◼   ► it's just easier for me to wait until she can't have the phone anymore, right? So I'm

01:00:36 ◼   ► just going to let it go another year or two, I guess. But I bought her the Coral One in

01:00:40 ◼   ► in a clear case and she loves it.

01:00:43 ◼   ► And it's a great phone.

01:00:44 ◼   ► I mean, one of the good things about this phone

01:00:46 ◼   ► compared to the XS was it had better battery life.

01:00:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:00:50 ◼   ► - 'Cause it was running an LED display.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - That's right.

01:00:53 ◼   ► - And I know one of the things that people don't like

01:00:55 ◼   ► about this phone is that it was 720p, right?

01:00:57 ◼   ► And I understand that.

01:00:59 ◼   ► Is that right?

01:01:00 ◼   ► It was 720, right?

01:01:01 ◼   ► Because of the dimensions?

01:01:03 ◼   ► I know that the display was a thing.

01:01:07 ◼   ► - It was 1792 by 828.

01:01:11 ◼   ► So it was a little bigger than 720, but it wasn't 1080.

01:01:14 ◼   ► - So I know that people didn't like that.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - It was the same density as the other LCD iPhones,

01:01:21 ◼   ► like the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, or 7 or 6 Plus,

01:01:27 ◼   ► but because of its size, people wanted it to be more dense.

01:01:32 ◼   ► It's not that it looked worse than previous phones,

01:01:34 ◼   ► it just wasn't as good as the OLED.

01:01:36 ◼   ► So I mean I would put this in B tier.

01:01:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'd get behind that.

01:01:41 ◼   ► - I was gonna go for A tier,

01:01:43 ◼   ► but yeah let's put it in B maybe.

01:01:46 ◼   ► - I really like this phone.

01:01:48 ◼   ► We have the 5S, the 6 Plus and the 7 Plus in A tier.

01:01:51 ◼   ► I'm not sure the XR belongs there.

01:01:54 ◼   ► - That was my thought too.

01:01:55 ◼   ► - Like I really like this phone,

01:01:58 ◼   ► but I don't think that it deserves that.

01:02:02 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:02:03 ◼   ► - iPhone XS.

01:02:05 ◼   ► a D tier for me. Mm-hmm. Well I would like to know why. Horrible camera. Horrible camera.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Camera. The HDR in particular was so bad. Photos from that era in my library, they look horrible.

01:02:18 ◼   ► And we had an episode about this, I remember off connected, where Steven and I complained.

01:02:24 ◼   ► Myke was sort of okay, I think, at the time with it. I didn't have the same feelings, but I know

01:02:30 ◼   ► it was something that lots of people felt but like for me I didn't experience

01:02:35 ◼   ► that but I know this was a problem a lot of people had with the phone yeah so I

01:02:40 ◼   ► would have no problem putting it as a detail I mean because really it didn't

01:02:44 ◼   ► add a lot so it was faster it had dual SIM support and better water resistance

01:02:50 ◼   ► like that was oh well yeah so the tennis what we maybe maybe we'll feel we would

01:02:55 ◼   ► rate the XS Max a little higher because it was bigger? I think the Max is C.

01:03:02 ◼   ► But it was still a horrible camera. But we got a bigger screen. But it was bigger.

01:03:06 ◼   ► Again. Well we can go C too because it grew bigger than before. Yeah.

01:03:13 ◼   ► Yeah, C for the XS Max and D for the XS. Yeah. Because I know that was why I liked

01:03:19 ◼   ► this phone particularly, the the Max one, because... Because it was bigger than before. So from

01:03:24 ◼   ► 5.5 to go back to the larger the iPhone tennis max had a I'm trying to find it

01:03:33 ◼   ► now and what I wished I wish that Wikipedia had like consistent ways that

01:03:39 ◼   ► they mark this information 5.8 and 6.5 for the max yeah okay 6.5 it's a big

01:03:48 ◼   ► screen that one Mac tracker baby it's all it's all there oh that's a good idea

01:03:53 ◼   ► - Up next we have the iPhone 11.

01:03:57 ◼   ► So this is the mainstream phone for this year,

01:03:59 ◼   ► starting at 699, 6.1 inch LCD.

01:04:04 ◼   ► So the same display as the iPhone XR,

01:04:08 ◼   ► but it had dual cameras.

01:04:10 ◼   ► So it had the regular wide camera.

01:04:13 ◼   ► And then the second camera was, was this the ultra wide?

01:04:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, it was the ultra wide on the 11.

01:04:21 ◼   ► I feel like, this is anecdotal, but that's all I got.

01:04:26 ◼   ► I feel like I didn't see a lot of 10s and 10s's

01:04:31 ◼   ► out in the world, but I feel like all of a sudden

01:04:34 ◼   ► the 11 was just everywhere.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Like even more so than the 10R.

01:04:39 ◼   ► - It's because they had a phone at the standard,

01:04:44 ◼   ► well, not the standard, it was at a lower price point.

01:04:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause the 10R started at 749

01:04:50 ◼   ► and the 11 started at $699.

01:04:52 ◼   ► So this was, okay, the mainstream phone

01:04:56 ◼   ► now has face ID for realsies.

01:04:58 ◼   ► - A13, you mentioned the ultra wide,

01:05:00 ◼   ► which was a good thing.

01:05:02 ◼   ► It's came in a bunch of great colors,

01:05:03 ◼   ► including that purple, that mid-cycle purple.

01:05:06 ◼   ► It's a good C-tier phone, I feel like.

01:05:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, iPhone 11 C-tier, I think I'm fine with that.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I think I had one.

01:05:17 ◼   ► I think Sylvia maybe used an iPhone 11.

01:05:19 ◼   ► I don't, so the iPhone 11 family still had the

01:05:23 ◼   ► curved edges though, right?

01:05:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, the last breath of that design.

01:05:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, so glass back, but with the curved edges.

01:05:32 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

01:05:33 ◼   ► And it came, why do I remember the red version?

01:05:38 ◼   ► Was something different about it?

01:05:40 ◼   ► That maybe the red version was available

01:05:41 ◼   ► at launch this time?

01:05:43 ◼   ► - I think so.

01:05:44 ◼   ► - I think it was, yeah, 'cause the purple came

01:05:46 ◼   ► halfway through.

01:05:48 ◼   ► So iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max.

01:05:52 ◼   ► First time that we're seeing the triple camera system.

01:05:57 ◼   ► I have a lot of fond memories for the 11 Pro Max,

01:06:02 ◼   ► because that's the phone that allowed me

01:06:04 ◼   ► to do the photographic tour of Rome

01:06:08 ◼   ► during the day and at night.

01:06:10 ◼   ► The ultra wide camera was,

01:06:14 ◼   ► still feels like a great innovation on a phone.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Like it's such a fun thing to experiment and some scenes and some subjects they lend themselves very well to the ultra-wide camera.

01:06:28 ◼   ► I personally feel like 11 Pro Max is A tier and 11 Pro is B tier.

01:06:36 ◼   ► Or also maybe both A tier. I could also go with that. I don't know, what do you guys think?

01:06:41 ◼   ► I'm struggling with this one a little bit. But I don't know why.

01:06:46 ◼   ► I think maybe I just don't really have a lot of particular feelings about this.

01:06:51 ◼   ► I guess I would be happy with A actually, because of the three camera system.

01:06:56 ◼   ► The three camera system was a big deal and I don't think that there's any reason to break

01:07:01 ◼   ► these up from each other.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Right, because these had feature parity between them and the only difference was the size.

01:07:11 ◼   ► I mean, we were all, now this is what, three years ago they were talking, so it's 2019,

01:07:19 ◼   ► but we all had fun at the time with ultra-wide shots.

01:07:23 ◼   ► It was a thing for a while, you know?

01:07:25 ◼   ► You're right.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Too bad about the curved edges, that's gonna get fixed with the next phones, but yeah,

01:07:33 ◼   ► 8-tier for the 11 Pro and Pro Max, I think it feels good.

01:07:37 ◼   ► It's the iPhone 8 design but inside it is it's all new with the A13 Bionic

01:07:47 ◼   ► from the iPhone 11. D tier. Stop. Who wants to see this design now? You know what I

01:07:54 ◼   ► mean? And this was back in 2020. Silvius MAM has this phone and it looks and

01:08:01 ◼   ► feels so old. Like so many things of iOS are now so different, like even the way you activate

01:08:08 ◼   ► Control Center. Like using this phone is horrible. And I know because I had to set it up for

01:08:14 ◼   ► her with the App Store and Family Sharing and all that kind of stuff. It's a bad phone,

01:08:20 ◼   ► it's old. It's like, "Hey, do you want to have this phone that looks like eight years

01:08:24 ◼   ► ago? Sure, here you go. No, thank you."

01:08:27 ◼   ► We are now up to the iPhone 12 family and I think we go in order of size.

01:08:33 ◼   ► So let's start with the 12 mini down at the bottom.

01:08:37 ◼   ► I'm gonna go ahead and say honorary A tier just because a ton of people love it.

01:08:44 ◼   ► And those who have one...

01:08:47 ◼   ► I don't want to get the tweets.

01:08:49 ◼   ► I just so we might as well just do it because I you know every iPhone 12 user will speak

01:08:55 ◼   ► about the mini, we'll speak about the mini, like all five of them, like they will all

01:09:00 ◼   ► tweet you, you know?

01:09:01 ◼   ► Look, they love it.

01:09:02 ◼   ► And I just don't want to get those five tweets.

01:09:03 ◼   ► Yeah, let them love it.

01:09:04 ◼   ► I mean, because they're about to get real sad, right?

01:09:06 ◼   ► So like we might as well just let them have it.

01:09:08 ◼   ► Yes, exactly.

01:09:10 ◼   ► They're about to get, they're going to have a rough second half of the year, I think.

01:09:15 ◼   ► So let's just give it the A tier.

01:09:17 ◼   ► Give them something, you know?

01:09:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:20 ◼   ► iPhone 12.

01:09:21 ◼   ► I mean, so all these phones, we should, so we should back up.

01:09:22 ◼   ► All these phones have the flat sided design.

01:09:26 ◼   ► The mini and the regular have aluminum.

01:09:28 ◼   ► Where the Profones have steel bands.

01:09:30 ◼   ► I actually think the aluminum looks better, but even though I carry a Profone, I think

01:09:36 ◼   ► the look is nicer with the aluminum.

01:09:39 ◼   ► All of these are OLED, so LCD is officially out of the line for new phones now, which

01:09:46 ◼   ► I think it's great that they were able to bring this across the entire

01:09:51 ◼   ► lineup. The 12, I think is probably

01:09:56 ◼   ► B or C. I feel like it's not...

01:10:00 ◼   ► Oh, I put it as an A tier.

01:10:01 ◼   ► Really? The regular 12?

01:10:03 ◼   ► The 12?

01:10:03 ◼   ► Yeah. OLED on the regular phone is awesome.

01:10:09 ◼   ► MagSafe?

01:10:10 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. MagSafe. The colors were also pretty good.

01:10:14 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:10:15 ◼   ► - And I think you were confused.

01:10:17 ◼   ► I think the purple was mid-cycle on the 12, not the 11.

01:10:21 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:10:22 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Whatever.

01:10:23 ◼   ► HDR video?

01:10:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:10:26 ◼   ► - On the base model 12?

01:10:28 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:10:29 ◼   ► - Oh, that was a pretty good phone.

01:10:31 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah, this is a great phone.

01:10:32 ◼   ► - So B, A or B?

01:10:34 ◼   ► - I would put it as an A tier phone.

01:10:36 ◼   ► - And yeah, it feels like one.

01:10:38 ◼   ► 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max.

01:10:39 ◼   ► So if I remember this correctly.

01:10:43 ◼   ► - S tier.

01:10:44 ◼   ► the 12 Pro Max marked the return of the feature differences

01:10:49 ◼   ► between the Pro Max camera and the Pro camera.

01:10:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:56 ◼   ► I mean, it didn't end up being as big a deal

01:10:58 ◼   ► as we thought it was going to be.

01:10:59 ◼   ► - But it was something.

01:11:00 ◼   ► - But it was something.

01:11:02 ◼   ► - What was it?

01:11:03 ◼   ► - 'Cause they had the big sensor,

01:11:05 ◼   ► the big sensor in the Pro Max.

01:11:06 ◼   ► - That's right.

01:11:07 ◼   ► So Myke, you said S tier for both.

01:11:10 ◼   ► - I think the iPhone 12 is the best iPhone ever made.

01:11:13 ◼   ► like the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max.

01:11:15 ◼   ► - Why not the 13 Pro?

01:11:17 ◼   ► - 'Cause I think that the 12 Pro was so striking,

01:11:21 ◼   ► like so awesome looking and had this great set of features.

01:11:24 ◼   ► And then the 13 just kind of like added to it.

01:11:26 ◼   ► Like, you know, like when you think about the best ever,

01:11:28 ◼   ► like you, as we're talking about it here,

01:11:30 ◼   ► sometimes you got to put in a bit of history, right?

01:11:32 ◼   ► Where like the 13 is really just a small improvement

01:11:35 ◼   ► over the 12, but like the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max,

01:11:41 ◼   ► 5G, LiDAR, LiDAR I don't care about.

01:11:45 ◼   ► 5G is actually a good feature, like if you have it.

01:11:49 ◼   ► MagSafe, it got the incredible gold,

01:11:54 ◼   ► which I just think is the best looking phone ever.

01:11:57 ◼   ► I could S tier both of these.

01:11:58 ◼   ► I think that the 12 line is an S tier line of phones.

01:12:02 ◼   ► I just think they nailed it.

01:12:04 ◼   ► I'm trying to remember now, because in my mind,

01:12:07 ◼   ► the 12 Pro and 13 Pro lines kind of blend together because of the pandemic.

01:12:12 ◼   ► Yes.

01:12:14 ◼   ► But now that you mentioned it, I do feel like I prefer the 12 Pro, if only because it was striking

01:12:24 ◼   ► at the time. Because in my mind, it's kind of weird, but in my mind, I still have the 12 Pro Max,

01:12:31 ◼   ► but no, I have the 13 Pro Max, which is also saying something, I guess.

01:12:36 ◼   ► But yeah, I can go with that.

01:12:39 ◼   ► S tier, both of them.

01:12:41 ◼   ► I just think this is a fantastic phone.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Like, I love it.

01:12:44 ◼   ► Like, this is the only phone for me where I was like,

01:12:47 ◼   ► the whole time I had it, I'm like, this just still continues to look good.

01:12:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:52 ◼   ► Like, I took the case off and I became caseless

01:12:54 ◼   ► because I love the look of this phone so much, you know?

01:12:57 ◼   ► And again, when the iPhone 13 Pro rolled around and it looked the same,

01:13:00 ◼   ► I was fine with it because I thought that the phone looked so good.

01:13:04 ◼   ► Like, I think it's the best looking phone Apple's ever made.

01:13:08 ◼   ► It's, and I, for me, it's like very tippy top.

01:13:12 ◼   ► Look at that, that's look nice without a case.

01:13:14 ◼   ► So what, where does that leave the 13 line?

01:13:19 ◼   ► We've got mini, regular, pro and pro max.

01:13:22 ◼   ► So better cameras, better processor, but not really game changing.

01:13:29 ◼   ► Slightly smaller notch?

01:13:31 ◼   ► Yeah, very slightly smaller notch.

01:13:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:35 ◼   ► What else is new?

01:13:37 ◼   ► A15.

01:13:38 ◼   ► Yeah, okay, whatever.

01:13:39 ◼   ► A15.

01:13:41 ◼   ► The 13 Pro, right?

01:13:44 ◼   ► So just to try and break something up.

01:13:45 ◼   ► The 13 Pro is a big deal because of promotion,

01:13:48 ◼   ► which me and Federico really care about.

01:13:50 ◼   ► Steven, not so much.

01:13:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got it turned off.

01:13:52 ◼   ► Yeah, yes, yes.

01:13:54 ◼   ► The 13 is good.

01:13:56 ◼   ► Like, it's a good improvement.

01:13:58 ◼   ► like I would say so if because I think to rank these we might have to do them a little bit out of

01:14:01 ◼   ► order if you don't mind like I think yes 13 pro and 13 pro max are A tier yes I think I know where

01:14:08 ◼   ► you're going yeah the iphone 13 yeah B tier yes and 13 mini C tier C tier because like they I think

01:14:19 ◼   ► they all just go down yeah yeah perfect perfect the last phone we have on here is the iphone se

01:14:25 ◼   ► third generation which is not on this list yeah there's another one wait

01:14:30 ◼   ► there's another one it got 5g d-tier goodbye honestly the fact that it's not

01:14:38 ◼   ► in this screenshot is perfect because like it doesn't even deserve to be on

01:14:42 ◼   ► the list it's just like whatever man you do you so d-tier yeah it's d-tier yeah

01:14:48 ◼   ► that would be d-tier we have now reached the final form of this tier list in in S

01:14:55 ◼   ► S tier, let's see how we feel about this again.

01:14:59 ◼   ► Original iPhone, iPhone 4, iPhone 6S Plus,

01:15:04 ◼   ► iPhone 10, iPhone 12 Pro, and iPhone 12 Pro Max.

01:15:09 ◼   ► - I think we got that completely correct.

01:15:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:15:12 ◼   ► I feel like I'm looking at the thumbnails.

01:15:16 ◼   ► I feel like, especially if you consider the 12 Pro

01:15:20 ◼   ► and Pro Max the same phone,

01:15:22 ◼   ► Each of them represents a major shift in the iPhone history.

01:15:27 ◼   ► Original iPhone, iPhone 4, 6S Plus,

01:15:31 ◼   ► and the Plus is specifically because we mentioned

01:15:34 ◼   ► the performance issues of the S Plus the year prior,

01:15:38 ◼   ► the X, and then the 12 Pro.

01:15:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel very good about this.

01:15:42 ◼   ► And in D tier, let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum.

01:15:47 ◼   ► In D tier, we have the iPhone 7, the iPhone 8,

01:15:51 ◼   ► the iPhone 8 Plus, the XS, the ST second generation,

01:15:56 ◼   ► and the ST third generation.

01:16:00 ◼   ► - So I think the biggest spread we have

01:16:03 ◼   ► is seven to seven plus, right?

01:16:05 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:16:05 ◼   ► - Because seven is D, seven plus is A.

01:16:09 ◼   ► I don't think we have a bigger-

01:16:11 ◼   ► - Look, these phones in D tier, they had it coming.

01:16:14 ◼   ► If they didn't wanna be in D tier,

01:16:16 ◼   ► they maybe shouldn't have been boring phones.

01:16:19 ◼   ► But yeah, especially the iPhone 8, man.

01:16:22 ◼   ► The iPhone 8 is rough.

01:16:24 ◼   ► I'm sorry, you know, iPhone 8 owners.

01:16:28 ◼   ► I guess you like it, but it's not a good phone.

01:16:31 ◼   ► - Something we didn't mention about like why the XS Max

01:16:35 ◼   ► is very firmly in C tier is its name.

01:16:39 ◼   ► - XS Max.

01:16:41 ◼   ► - XS Max?

01:16:42 ◼   ► That is a terrible name for a phone.

01:16:44 ◼   ► These are the phones that we knew about

01:16:49 ◼   ► with the leak from Apple's CDN, right?

01:16:52 ◼   ► 925 Mac found the images and the names before.

01:16:56 ◼   ► And people said, "Surely that's not the name."

01:17:00 ◼   ► Surely they're not calling it iPhone XS Max.

01:17:04 ◼   ► 'Cause these were the images

01:17:05 ◼   ► where they obscured the notch.

01:17:07 ◼   ► Yes.

01:17:08 ◼   ► They had like the swooping black wallpaper.

01:17:11 ◼   ► Yeah, it was like a planet, right?

01:17:12 ◼   ► Like they had like different planets on them

01:17:14 ◼   ► and it took up, was it that one?

01:17:16 ◼   ► And it took up like half the screen

01:17:17 ◼   ► or is it, I'm thinking of a different one.

01:17:19 ◼   ► - I think so.

01:17:20 ◼   ► - They did that for a while.

01:17:21 ◼   ► They don't seem to really do that anymore

01:17:22 ◼   ► which I think is the right move.

01:17:24 ◼   ► - Let's do one more thing.

01:17:27 ◼   ► If you guys will allow me here.

01:17:29 ◼   ► Look at the S tier and each of us,

01:17:32 ◼   ► we pick an absolute favorite from the S tier.

01:17:37 ◼   ► - I mean, I've already spoiled mine.

01:17:38 ◼   ► It's the 12 Pro Max.

01:17:39 ◼   ► - 12 Pro Max?

01:17:40 ◼   ► - It is the happiest I have been with an iPhone

01:17:42 ◼   ► since the original.

01:17:44 ◼   ► And like the original, I was happy because it was the first one,

01:17:48 ◼   ► but like the 12 Pro Max just gave me everything I was looking for.

01:17:53 ◼   ► I was so excited except for the promotion display,

01:17:56 ◼   ► but that wasn't enough of a knock. Like that was on the edge that year.

01:17:59 ◼   ► Uh, I'm going to go with the,

01:18:02 ◼   ► I'm torn between the 6S Plus and the 10. I'm going to go with the 10.

01:18:06 ◼   ► I just love that thing so much.

01:18:08 ◼   ► I agree. I'm going to go with the 10 as well.

01:18:10 ◼   ► It really felt like the future, didn't it? It was awesome.

01:18:12 ◼   ► It felt so cool.

01:18:15 ◼   ► And it was the first time in a long time

01:18:18 ◼   ► where the phone was really exciting.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Because the 6S and the 7, a lot of it was the design,

01:18:26 ◼   ► I think, with the aluminum back

01:18:28 ◼   ► and the antenna lines and stuff.

01:18:29 ◼   ► But yeah, the X felt like the future.

01:18:31 ◼   ► I mean, using Face ID felt so cool.

01:18:34 ◼   ► - It felt impossible, really.

01:18:35 ◼   ► It felt like we were not supposed to get the phone

01:18:38 ◼   ► for another two years, but we got it.

01:18:41 ◼   ► And so, yeah.

01:18:42 ◼   ► Man, it looks so good in white too, with the stainless steel.

01:18:45 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.

01:18:46 ◼   ► Chef Kiss. - I think I had the black one.

01:18:48 ◼   ► I think I had the black one, which was kind of brown.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Right, was that the one that was brown,

01:18:52 ◼   ► or was it the 10S that was kind of a brownie color?

01:18:54 ◼   ► - That was the stupid 10S that also looked brown.

01:18:57 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:18:58 ◼   ► - It was like chocolatey brown.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Yeah, it was weird.

01:19:01 ◼   ► But you can see an image of our ranked tier list.

01:19:05 ◼   ► I've got a screenshot.

01:19:06 ◼   ► In the show notes, if you want to find links

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01:19:29 ◼   ► You can find us all online.

01:19:30 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as Vitici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,

01:19:35 ◼   ► and he's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

01:19:39 ◼   ► You can find Myke online as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:19:42 ◼   ► And Myke hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.

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