The Accidental Tech Podcast

198: Puppy Game Boy

 

  so can you explain something to me John [TS]

  or Casey but both of you are sports [TS]

  people compared to me [TS]

  okay why are the highest end video games [TS]

  called triple AAA games but in baseball [TS]

  the triple-a teams are kind of like the [TS]

  minor leagues [TS]

  it's just the same it's the same word [TS]

  using two different contexts don't try [TS]

  to connect them [TS]

  that's a terrible answer that that's not [TS]

  even an answer that's the answer it's [TS]

  like it's like what you know like the [TS]

  why we park on the driveway and drive in [TS]

  the park with whatever like its it yes [TS]

  it's the same word and it's spelled the [TS]

  same way you've got 3 a's what why is it [TS]

  the the people that come when you have a [TS]

  flat tire where is that Triple A is just [TS]

  the same set of letters but it's not the [TS]

  same thing [TS]

  don't get confused about it at work this [TS]

  week i am learning to use scala the [TS]

  programming language and Sokka which is [TS]

  entirely different outfit too is it's [TS]

  callous Colorado instrument or you're [TS]

  the ones get on learning it [TS]

  I've everyone seems to be saying scholar [TS]

  I'm sure to a New Yorker it's kayla i [TS]

  was assumed it was scalar like scaling [TS]

  you know what i mean i i've literally [TS]

  never heard anybody ever mention it you [TS]

  know in person and totally and it seems [TS]

  like definitely one of the first things [TS]

  that you should learn about languages [TS]

  how to say it [TS]

  it's pronounced bozell John anyway so [TS]

  the point is I'm learning scholars gala [TS]

  gala and it's weird it's super weird and [TS]

  I i presume that neither of you two [TS]

  really touched it but what the little [TS]

  bit I've seen makes me makes it very [TS]

  obvious that not only is it is it not [TS]

  only does it look weird but it seems [TS]

  like only weird people use it it's one [TS]

  of those like esoteric languages like [TS]

  erlang that like all the really out [TS]

  there programmers use but most people [TS]

  don't [TS]

  yeah it's not as is i don't know [TS]

  esoteric is is my understanding of say [TS]

  like Haskell is yeah that's a good [TS]

  example but you know I've seen some go [TS]

  and although it looks peculiar i feel [TS]

  like i can get the general gist of [TS]

  what's happening if i look in an [TS]

  arbitrary go program I I feel like even [TS]

  before i could read objective-c and [TS]

  you'll see them see through the matrix [TS]

  if you will [TS]

  I could at least understand vaguely what [TS]

  was happening in objective-c and before [TS]

  I started to really understand Swift it [TS]

  was very easy to at least [TS]

  generally understand what was happening [TS]

  in a swift app this crap is out of [TS]

  control though and I think you know how [TS]

  I'm how anyone who's ever written any [TS]

  c++ ever in their lives is broken [TS]

  forever [TS]

  well that and has this like tremendous [TS]

  utter fear of operator overloading my [TS]

  admittedly ignorant impression of [TS]

  scholarly is that it's operator [TS]

  overloading and functional programming [TS]

  gone crazy in so like what was that we [TS]

  were doing it we were doing something [TS]

  that was not scholarship itself I think [TS]

  is something related to a co which is [TS]

  like a I don't know it's a weirdo like [TS]

  networking framework that's a terrible [TS]

  summary but we'll just go with it and [TS]

  talking about this is weird [TS]

  it's so weird well they by overloading [TS]

  operators in doing weirdo functions and [TS]

  the way that you can like well in [TS]

  curried functions and the way that you [TS]

  can like leave out crap and that's valid [TS]

  source of scholars syntax it's as though [TS]

  you have an entirely different language [TS]

  like visually it looks like an entirely [TS]

  different language even though it's all [TS]

  completely valid scholar because they [TS]

  went nuts with operator overloading and [TS]

  weirdo like shortcuts and whatnot [TS]

  it is the most peculiar thing I've ever [TS]

  seen and beyond that using IntelliJ as [TS]

  an IDE is a visual assault on my [TS]

  eyeballs like it's a decent ide and it [TS]

  does a lot of things and it's very [TS]

  powerful but my goodness it's hideous [TS]

  it's even worse than the shouting [TS]

  version of visual studio that's it file [TS]

  edit view you know when it was when all [TS]

  the menus were all caps for some reason [TS]

  but I don't know about this one was yes [TS]

  yes it is like in dots and 2012 no no [TS]

  this is the 2010-2012 something like [TS]

  that what I forget exactly what it was [TS]

  but you know the typical windows menu [TS]

  you know the same menu that you have the [TS]

  mac but it sits on each window in [TS]

  Windows anyways it was all caps for like [TS]

  one or two generations of visual studio [TS]

  for no good reason so it wasn't file and [TS]

  it viewers file edit view it was like a [TS]

  wrestler shouting at you constantly [TS]

  Wow anyway so in summary scholars [TS]

  SuperDuper weird and I don't know what [TS]

  to make of it and i don't think i think [TS]

  it and I and I can't tell if that's just [TS]

  because I'm ignorant [TS]

  and i'm still learning it and I can't [TS]

  see the matrix if you will or see [TS]

  through the matrix i guess but man is it [TS]

  weird and you know in summary i guess [TS]

  this is what being a programmer feels [TS]

  like the whole if you had a proper [TS]

  grammar you would have been introduced [TS]

  all the concepts they're encountering in [TS]

  the language that you choose to call [TS]

  scala they wouldn't be able to you just [TS]

  like oh my god sent to expedite in this [TS]

  language the advantage of hanging out in [TS]

  a multi-paradigm programming languages [TS]

  languages go don't seem that weird and [TS]

  everyone's got their own syntax is the [TS]

  same reason that you felt comfortable [TS]

  with like go and Swift is because like [TS]

  out [TS]

  I've seen structures and classes and [TS]

  methods and types and inheritance [TS]

  partying all night before so this is [TS]

  just a different syntax for doing that [TS]

  type of stuff and I've seen it you know [TS]

  exceptions and case statements and you [TS]

  know maybe options for a little new but [TS]

  you know one new concept is not too hard [TS]

  for you to swallow but if Scarlett has a [TS]

  whole bunch of stuff that you haven't [TS]

  seen before you get the weird syntax [TS]

  also weird syntax for a thing you [TS]

  haven't even done in a different syntax [TS]

  before that you can like map it to you [TS]

  know well that's the thing is that you [TS]

  know as I've said many times in the past [TS]

  I think swift is kind of everyone can [TS]

  look at swift and see their their [TS]

  preferred programming language you like [TS]

  I feel like you as a programmer John [TS]

  could look at swift and say oh yeah they [TS]

  totally stole that from us and Marco is [TS]

  someone who does whatever you do with [TS]

  PHP you can look at that and say oh yeah [TS]

  that's how this one should have worked [TS]

  in PHP but doesn't and as a c-sharp [TS]

  development and marketing objective c [TS]

  developer you know you can see that [TS]

  stuff and Swift whereas in Scotland [TS]

  install I can see some of the same stuff [TS]

  like I can see when you when you do very [TS]

  arm I guess what kind of rudimentary is [TS]

  the word I'm looking for but like basic [TS]

  scholar i can see oh yes with took that [TS]

  from scholar like optionals weigh [TS]

  options work is a great example like [TS]

  that taken from scott like all these let [TS]

  you get to the family tree it's like for [TS]

  example is almost nothing in PHP that [TS]

  wasn't you no it didn't come from pearl [TS]

  shell or something else before like so [TS]

  there's a big family tree of things just [TS]

  depends on like this is the first [TS]

  language you encounter this stuff [TS]

  forever you will think oh that's from [TS]

  scholar but really it's totally not it's [TS]

  like [TS]

  something realistic or whatever and yeah [TS]

  yeah no that's totally fair but you see [TS]

  what I'm driving at right is that basic [TS]

  scholar that we're we're things make [TS]

  sense and it's like written for news [TS]

  that i can understand right but then you [TS]

  start getting this crazy crap we're so [TS]

  as an example acha which is again this [TS]

  like I'm gonna I'm gonna summarize it is [TS]

  like a networking like client-server [TS]

  framework that's completely unfair but [TS]

  III can't come up with a better way to [TS]

  summarize it so the way you you send a [TS]

  message in using acha with in Scala is [TS]

  you do like either the client or the [TS]

  server so the line of code would read [TS]

  for example server friend print because [TS]

  servers a function ! message so ! has [TS]

  been presumably operator overloaded to [TS]

  send a message that you define on the [TS]

  right-hand side of line to the [TS]

  destination to find on the left-hand [TS]

  side line i know this is really hard to [TS]

  verbally basket is like source code on [TS]

  podcast is kind of amazing this is this [TS]

  is this is not going well for me but but [TS]

  but you don't like it's just imagine [TS]

  it's a function call an exclamation [TS]

  point and then a variable like what what [TS]

  the hell is happening here and and I [TS]

  again I think a lot of this is probably [TS]

  my problem in and if this makes in the [TS]

  show we're gonna get all the scale of [TS]

  people yelling at me about how I just [TS]

  don't know what I'm talking about which [TS]

  is accurate but as it as someone who's [TS]

  new to it but it's been writing code [TS]

  professionally for over a decade in you [TS]

  know casually for 20 years now [TS]

  man is it weird and different and I [TS]

  think a lot of this it comes down to [TS]

  almost every programming language I've [TS]

  done looks or I think traces itself back [TS]

  to see and yes on the surface colleges [TS]

  to but I feel like there's the the [TS]

  family tree diverged and took like like [TS]

  hunger right-ho it is scala where most [TS]

  of the other stuff even Swift kind of [TS]

  just march down down the line the way it [TS]

  was supposed to do if you will with [TS]

  scare quotes i know it's trippy I mean I [TS]

  think a lot of what you're seeing two is [TS]

  just like languages have have certain [TS]

  cultures and communities around them [TS]

  based on their attributes and and [TS]

  there's a community so for instance like [TS]

  you don't see a lot of cleverness in PHP [TS]

  code that you find online you're lucky [TS]

  if it works and the reason why is [TS]

  because PHP is B is used by people [TS]

  pragmatically for the most part these [TS]

  are people who are at all skill levels [TS]

  you know bottom to top and there's a lot [TS]

  of people on the bottom of course [TS]

  because it's an easy language to learn [TS]

  if you're new be something a lot of that [TS]

  and then even people who are good using [TS]

  it or their 10 they tend to pick PHP [TS]

  because it is pragmatic and it helps [TS]

  them get some kind of job done and as [TS]

  you get the languages that become more [TS]

  dynamic and have all sorts of weird [TS]

  little syntax sugar that's that's [TS]

  possible with them [TS]

  I mean pearls the king of this but also [TS]

  you know you obviously see this in a [TS]

  language Ruby was a big one for a while [TS]

  and of course then once you go [TS]

  functional languages then all bets are [TS]

  off functional people are like living on [TS]

  the planet and so as you get like more [TS]

  more esoteric and with more clever [TS]

  languages [TS]

  not only are they will do the language [TS]

  make a lot of like crazy complex [TS]

  unreadable but cool things possible but [TS]

  also generally more generally way more [TS]

  skilled programmers are the ones who [TS]

  choose to use those languages or people [TS]

  who are language nerds who really who [TS]

  really love the weird things you can do [TS]

  with these different languages that you [TS]

  that you can't easily or at all do [TS]

  another language of the right so you [TS]

  will see people using an obscure [TS]

  language like scaling or or Haskell in a [TS]

  way that like they're almost showing off [TS]

  what they can do because it's fun [TS]

  because you know whatever that whatever [TS]

  crazy thing they're doing they enjoy [TS]

  doing that because they can't do that in [TS]

  objective-c or PHP yeah I know it's [TS]

  weird it's not getting none of this is [TS]

  really bad it's just peculiar and and I [TS]

  think what's frustrating to me is as low [TS]

  as an experienced developer by no means [TS]

  an expert industry as an experienced [TS]

  developer it's it's very frustrating for [TS]

  me because I feel like I'm not catching [TS]

  on as quickly as I'd like and I feel [TS]

  like Scala is not as approachable to [TS]

  someone that happens to have my [TS]

  background as other languages have been [TS]

  it doesn't make scholar worse or bad or [TS]

  wrong but it's just I i have not even [TS]

  objective-c I feel like it was easier [TS]

  for me to pick up then this and it's [TS]

  just it's weird man super weird in any [TS]

  case John tell me what's going on with [TS]

  your buds earpods excuse me is that my [TS]

  new iphone 7 to talk about last week i [TS]

  got a new complaint talk about the fat [TS]

  lightning connector last time [TS]

  that's still annoys me but if you're [TS]

  going to get over that but one thing [TS]

  that I was accustomed to with the old [TS]

  headphone jack iphone 6 when all my ipod [TS]

  touches before that my ipod shuffles [TS]

  before that was that if it was playing [TS]

  audio and I put the earbuds in my ears [TS]

  and then i plugged in the headphone the [TS]

  audio would change to coming out of the [TS]

  headphones and the other thing I took [TS]

  for granted is if I had my headphones [TS]

  plugged in and audio was playing and hit [TS]

  the little remote thing he would stop [TS]

  the audio from playing or started [TS]

  depending on whether we stop you're [TS]

  starting to sound like basic functions [TS]

  both of them have failed multiple times [TS]

  today playing audio I'm i think that and [TS]

  you know I haven't quite gotten to the [TS]

  point where I'm plug in the headphones [TS]

  it playing out playing the speaker for [TS]

  two seconds i plug in the headphones [TS]

  just keeps playing through speakers [TS]

  unplug the headphones plugged my god [TS]

  just keeps playing through speakers like [TS]

  whatever man you know [TS]

  pause the thing plugging in hit play now [TS]

  place through the headphones playing [TS]

  through the headphones you know I'm [TS]

  doing dishes my wife said something to [TS]

  me I want to stop the thing so i can [TS]

  hear hit the remote it doesn't stop [TS]

  playing it smart again [TS]

  nope not stopping playing the road again [TS]

  nope not stopping playing this is no [TS]

  good [TS]

  you can have that you got its got to do [TS]

  the basics when i plug in the headphones [TS]

  the audio should start coming with a [TS]

  black headphones like and I'm I'm [TS]

  assuming this is a software thing so [TS]

  there's hope of being fixed like I don't [TS]

  think it's I have bad hardware anything [TS]

  because it fixes itself i wait a few [TS]

  seconds or plug the thing back in a few [TS]

  times or you know hit play pause and the [TS]

  thing or whatever i like it i give it a [TS]

  big thumbs down i hope this goes away in [TS]

  a point update to iOS it won't good i [TS]

  haven't had this week they had this [TS]

  experience but to be honest i've only [TS]

  used the Lightning your pods a handful [TS]

  of times and they have worked outside of [TS]

  that original software issue that Scott [TS]

  make multi is that right the guy did [TS]

  dash super nice guy anyway that he had [TS]

  discovered where after you would like [TS]

  timeout it wouldn't listen to the remote [TS]

  anywhere anymore but that apparently has [TS]

  been fixed [TS]

  other than that I haven't had any [TS]

  problems have you Marco have you can [TS]

  really use the the earpods i haven't [TS]

  used the earpods at all the only [TS]

  negative views are either bluetooth ones [TS]

  for walking or [TS]

  the adapter to the old headphone jack [TS]

  for plain headphones and and the and [TS]

  I've bluetooth is as mediocre and [TS]

  inconsistent as it always has been and [TS]

  the lightning adapter sucks it functions [TS]

  but I'm angry every time it functions [TS]

  especially as my phone discharges itself [TS]

  and the stupid dongle to keep track of [TS]

  now and it really is kind of a cheap [TS]

  piece-of-crap that I'm worried it's [TS]

  going to snap at any moment because the [TS]

  cables about as thick as a human hair so [TS]

  other than that it's fine i I'd yeah so [TS]

  far we get with with the lack of air [TS]

  pods being existing yet the whole story [TS]

  about removing the headphone jack has [TS]

  kind of fall on its face because it's [TS]

  like all right well we moved the [TS]

  headphone jack and now we have well the [TS]

  same mediocrity we had before with some [TS]

  things that got worse response to [TS]

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  ah most of the Internet has written in [TS]

  to tell us that you can indeed download [TS]

  the Grand Tour asterisk yeah that is [TS]

  slightly accurate so I thought it was [TS]

  pretty obvious and I did listen back to [TS]

  what we were saying and I thought it was [TS]

  fairly obvious that for me anyway what I [TS]

  was trying to say was I would like a [TS]

  copy on my computer I don't want to copy [TS]

  on my phone I don't want to copy my ipad [TS]

  i want to copy on my computer and it [TS]

  would be neat if that copy didn't have [TS]

  to fall off the back of a truck that [TS]

  does not exist so for all of you that [TS]

  said you idiots you could have [TS]

  downloaded Grand Tour well yes that's [TS]

  true but it doesn't help Casey however [TS]

  being able to download it and keep it in [TS]

  app might have had might have helped [TS]

  John because John I believe you were [TS]

  saying that you didn't want to buffer [TS]

  and you wanted to make sure it was full [TS]

  res etc etc so in principle that would [TS]

  have helped you i was looking for it [TS]

  mostly to say like I demand 1080 [TS]

  download as much as you have to so that [TS]

  i can start watching it you know i mean [TS]

  i guess i suppose i can sit down with [TS]

  the whole thing first but that's you [TS]

  know it's going to value when you sit [TS]

  down to watch a thing especially if it's [TS]

  getting that the crappy version i don't [TS]

  want to say oh it's going to be [TS]

  downloaded in 15 minutes to come back in [TS]

  15 minutes I wanted to buffer up as much [TS]

  as it needs to buffer to buffer 45 [TS]

  minutes or something you know I [TS]

  basically wanted to say don't give me [TS]

  the stream if you can give [TS]

  me 1080p can't give me ten eighty then [TS]

  just keep trickling in the 1080 until [TS]

  you have enough that you think you can [TS]

  start showing me in real time maybe that [TS]

  would rather wait 15 minutes or [TS]

  something maybe just a bad are now [TS]

  anyway i'll try it next time I haven't [TS]

  watched episode 2 because I heard you [TS]

  guys say bad things about it so I'm well [TS]

  is motivated to watch it [TS]

  yeah it was so quick sidebar we have to [TS]

  bring it up and I was gonna bring it up [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  wow I'm so too is from did you watch it [TS]

  Marco no I had to spoil it I i have to i [TS]

  keep hearing though that it is a kind of [TS]

  a step backwards and quality so yeah I [TS]

  don't want to spoil anything but i will [TS]

  just summarize my thoughts by saying our [TS]

  host seem to have forgotten that they [TS]

  are not actors [TS]

  oh no and yeah whoo-hoo-hoo it was bad [TS]

  it was not good it's worth seeing like [TS]

  so here's the thing like again no [TS]

  spoilers I definitely laughed a fair bit [TS]

  so in that sense it was successful but [TS]

  half of that was laughing through the [TS]

  cringing and half of it was generally [TS]

  was true [TS]

  laughter would you have left if you were [TS]

  watching it alone [TS]

  I understand the question i would say [TS]

  yes but not nearly as emphatically mm [TS]

  it's worth your time but unlike the [TS]

  first episode I wouldn't rush to watch [TS]

  it you might even want to wait until the [TS]

  series is 0 season whatever they're [TS]

  calling it is a disease announced its [TS]

  kind of an American show anyway [TS]

  wait until it's over and then go back to [TS]

  episode 2 but yikes coming back around [TS]

  we should also mention that breaking [TS]

  news as of a few hours ago actually [TS]

  apparently netflix is allowing you to [TS]

  download stuff onto your devices as well [TS]

  I I didn't look into this very much i [TS]

  would guess that this is not onto a [TS]

  computer but just onto a iOS or perhaps [TS]

  android device but this never used to be [TS]

  a thing there was no mechanism for [TS]

  netflix to contribute to be able to [TS]

  refer you to be able to download netflix [TS]

  movies and TV shows and whatnot now [TS]

  apparently you can which is exciting [TS]

  there were a few thoughts about the lack [TS]

  of the arms or ears or whatever you'd [TS]

  like to call them on the power brick on [TS]

  the new macbook pros [TS]

  a lot of people thought that this was a [TS]

  deliberate choice because the existing [TS]

  cables do we cover this the existing [TS]

  cable on the on the prior version with [TS]

  magsafe oftentimes when you would Bend [TS]

  that cable in order to wrap it around [TS]

  those arms or years or whatever we're [TS]

  calling them you would put a pretty [TS]

  extreme bend on the very very end of [TS]

  that cable the end that attaches to the [TS]

  power brick and apparently that was just [TS]

  a tremendous point of failure across a [TS]

  gazillion people's power bricks and so [TS]

  perhaps they were the reason they got [TS]

  rid of the little ears is to prevent [TS]

  that from happening but I agree with you [TS]

  that I don't think that's what it's [TS]

  about little it wasn't just the part [TS]

  where comes out of the brick is that a [TS]

  lot of the people's theory was that the [TS]

  ears it you know even if you were very [TS]

  gentle with that part merely wrapping it [TS]

  around the little years that come out of [TS]

  that bend radius was too sharp for the [TS]

  wire and I don't [TS]

  well I don't buy this theory for a [TS]

  couple reasons of the first of all many [TS]

  people have used those years four years [TS]

  and not a problem with it was actually [TS]

  blow the threshold you feel like there [TS]

  would be many more failures now i have [TS]

  seen all the failures of the the point [TS]

  there comes out of the brick and that is [TS]

  just you know you're wrapping it too [TS]

  hard or whatever but if you are gentle [TS]

  with a wrap it around a little years I [TS]

  feel like it is sustainable but either [TS]

  way if people want to wrap it they're [TS]

  going to wrap it as evidence in Marcos a [TS]

  video that we'll talk about in the after [TS]

  show you just wrap it around the brick [TS]

  like it's the same radius as the ears [TS]

  I mean I guess maybe maybe it's a little [TS]

  now it's it's I guess yeah it may be a [TS]

  little bit broader because the years [TS]

  were not the same width as the block but [TS]

  either way if people are want to wrap [TS]

  that cable they're going to wrap that [TS]

  cable and the People wrapped tight are [TS]

  going to wrap it tight [TS]

  Apple's job is to make an adapter that [TS]

  will withstand what people do to it if [TS]

  you can make it after that will not make [TS]

  people need to wrap up the cable like [TS]

  the cable magically zips back into or [TS]

  something [TS]

  by all means do it but if you're going [TS]

  to make an adapter that most people when [TS]

  they pack it in the bag want to wrap the [TS]

  cable around something and it got the [TS]

  square thing that I'd like to wrap it [TS]

  around you better make that cable so [TS]

  people can wrap it around the square [TS]

  thing without breaking it and I think [TS]

  for the most part they did that with the [TS]

  old adapters yes everybody breaks every [TS]

  cable that they are [TS]

  you know they're like sponge cutters [TS]

  which I think was talking about in the [TS]

  kitchen [TS]

  some people just cable operators they [TS]

  eventually destroy all the cables and [TS]

  other people don't and apples cables [TS]

  need to be more durable and strain [TS]

  relief needs to be more robust but in [TS]

  general I don't think apples square [TS]

  power bricks that have existed for many [TS]

  many years have a reputation as being [TS]

  fatally flawed like I feel like that is [TS]

  a workable design that they should [TS]

  concentrate on making veterans and [TS]

  instead of you know if the idea was [TS]

  these years cause people to wrap things [TS]

  and therefore the cable breaks removing [TS]

  the ears doesn't solve that problem [TS]

  the the cable breakers are still just [TS]

  going to break their cable so i don't [TS]

  think that was the reason if it was I [TS]

  would imagine Apple would have cited at [TS]

  some point but and if it was the reason [TS]

  i would say Apple your job is to make [TS]

  the cable not break not take away the [TS]

  thing that you think people are gonna [TS]

  wrap it around that something to like [TS]

  you know the the argument here is and [TS]

  out before anyone says that you know the [TS]

  another counter argument we heard was [TS]

  that now it isn't just carrying power [TS]

  now the cable is a full USBC 3.1 cable [TS]

  so it has more wires inside of it and so [TS]

  and that's why that's why the new power [TS]

  cable is actually noticeably thicker and [TS]

  less flexible than the old one and end [TS]

  to that my answer is it didn't need to [TS]

  be necessarily like this is a cable that [TS]

  the vast majority of people using it the [TS]

  vast majority of the time are going to [TS]

  use as the power cable to the laptop [TS]

  it's going to be effectively a dedicated [TS]

  power cable [TS]

  most people are not going to be like [TS]

  swapping Internet between different [TS]

  cables all the time like with you know [TS]

  between using this cable as a power [TS]

  cable and then unplug it from the power [TS]

  brick using it to plug in a hard drive [TS]

  for a few minutes like no in practice [TS]

  most people are going to use this cable [TS]

  as the power cable for its entire useful [TS]

  life time you can solve that the Apple [TS]

  way the way they used to solve that is [TS]

  make the end that connects to the brick [TS]

  not a USBC connector and then you just [TS]

  make it a straight-up power connector [TS]

  does not work as a USB connector because [TS]

  only one is USBC the other end is some [TS]

  weird thing that would things together [TS]

  with is the keyboard remember the old [TS]

  apple keyboard that supported the power [TS]

  button the connector that went to the [TS]

  keyboard and had a kink in it and you [TS]

  couldn't put a regular USB in there just [TS]

  before our time anyway [TS]

  yeah so that it used to be that there [TS]

  was a the power button to turn on your [TS]

  Mac was on the keyboard and to support [TS]

  that basically just before turning on a [TS]

  turned off computer by pressing enter on [TS]

  the keyboard they had a special cable [TS]

  with a special whatever and the USB at [TS]

  taipei connector had a little V shaped [TS]

  like a groove in it and so did the end [TS]

  where went to the keyboards if you tried [TS]

  to stick a regular USB type a connector [TS]

  wouldn't go in because the little [TS]

  rectangle would hit the little triangle [TS]

  shaped David that was down there and [TS]

  that was your signal that all I can't [TS]

  just take this cable and use the right [TS]

  this is not a regular USB cable is a [TS]

  special one so for their power brick and [TS]

  I might be able to complain about this [TS]

  but they have two options when they [TS]

  could have permanently affixed the end [TS]

  of the powerbook like the old one has [TS]

  disadvantages too because that part [TS]

  breaks right and the second is make it a [TS]

  power only cable with the big thick [TS]

  heavy gauge you know wire for the power [TS]

  and no wires for data have a USBC [TS]

  looking connector on one end and have [TS]

  whatever the health connector you want [TS]

  to put on the other end but that [TS]

  definitely isn't USB so they would like [TS]

  basically be a proprietary power cable [TS]

  or whatever many solutions of this is [TS]

  deciding that the power cable to your [TS]

  laptop because it has to be a fully [TS]

  functional USBC cable that you can take [TS]

  it off and use it on a hard drive that [TS]

  you want to keep six feet away from your [TS]

  mac for some reason [TS]

  hey I don't even know if that's true [TS]

  market Marco can try it out and see if [TS]

  it is I you know if that's true and B [TS]

  that's not a useful application is true [TS]

  like that's that's not useful thing to [TS]

  do [TS]

  yeah exactly and and I feel like to to [TS]

  penalize all other mainstream use of [TS]

  this computer for the fraction of people [TS]

  who either want to keep a hard drive six [TS]

  feet away from the computer and [TS]

  occasionally plug it in without having [TS]

  power or are going to break other cable [TS]

  time like that I feel like that's it [TS]

  that's not a good trade-off like eat the [TS]

  dissolution to some people afraid this [TS]

  wire is not well let's make it sucks for [TS]

  everybody like no that is not the right [TS]

  solution here the right solution here [TS]

  which Apple I think used to be good at [TS]

  doing is like find a better design if [TS]

  you need to and and do the thing that [TS]

  that functions best for the most people [TS]

  most of the time and every defense of of [TS]

  this power brick design basically rests [TS]

  on removing the usefulness of it for [TS]

  most people to accommodate some edge [TS]

  cases and I simply don't agree with that [TS]

  yeah I I think you're right i'm coming [TS]

  back around to you know well what do you [TS]

  do to prevent this from breakin or what [TS]

  happens if it breaks one of the [TS]

  advantages of this new power supply [TS]

  which I don't know if we brought this up [TS]

  last time now but a lot of people have [TS]

  said you know one of the advantages of [TS]

  this new power supply is hey let's [TS]

  assume you destroy that cable by [TS]

  whatever mechanism doesn't really matter [TS]

  how it's a regular USBC cable so instead [TS]

  of buying a new $80 brick you can just [TS]

  buy a presumably maybe 10 or 20 or 30 or [TS]

  even $40 USBC cable and your break is [TS]

  still fine and so and that's really [TS]

  awesome additional forty dollars for us [TS]

  bck but I hope not i don't have the [TS]

  famous died well but this this is like [TS]

  these are high power USB cables that can [TS]

  carry that much higher wattages of the [TS]

  13 and 15 inch macbook pros compared to [TS]

  like a little skinny ones that could [TS]

  maybe charge the macbook one so the idea [TS]

  that we that we can get third-party [TS]

  replacements here i think most for the [TS]

  most part it's gonna be pretty much only [TS]

  Apple making these cables for a long [TS]

  time if it might be forever you know it [TS]

  the pc industry could decide to go a [TS]

  different direction with these things we [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  in all likelihood it's probably going to [TS]

  be if this cable breaks you hereby one [TS]

  from amazon that will like melt or catch [TS]

  fire or not charge your laptop at full [TS]

  speed or you can go and buy apples for [TS]

  40 bucks like that's probably going to [TS]

  be the answer here and so i think the [TS]

  the third party potential as like a [TS]

  counter argument here is is kind of made [TS]

  less significant by you can look around [TS]

  the USBC ecosystem you can see like all [TS]

  the stuff that's been out for the [TS]

  macbook one so far which is now almost [TS]

  two years old so that's how a while now [TS]

  it was very clear from the beginning [TS]

  like yeah yeah but it'sit's a niche [TS]

  product Mitch whatever else that we're [TS]

  not really and and so but is there any [TS]

  way you can look at the ecosystem of [TS]

  things that have become available for [TS]

  that so far from third parties and what [TS]

  you basically have is a mess of like [TS]

  hubs and port splitters some of what [TS]

  you're okay most of your crap and it's [TS]

  kinda hard to tell which is a pitch and [TS]

  then you have a very small number of [TS]

  external batteries and external chargers [TS]

  and and third-party charging cables a [TS]

  very small number of those most of which [TS]

  are of questionable quality i would say [TS]

  so even after two years the third-party [TS]

  ecosystem for us bc in the realm of like [TS]

  high power to things like laptops has [TS]

  barely materialized and so to to figure [TS]

  it to assume that anything meaningful [TS]

  will come out for a 15 inch which needs [TS]

  85 watts like in the next couple years I [TS]

  don't I don't see it being very likely i [TS]

  think what's more likely is we just lost [TS]

  features and when things break we we [TS]

  still have to pay apple for the [TS]

  replacement we just might have to pay [TS]

  them less money depending on which part [TS]

  or parts broke making removals a good [TS]

  idea though I like the idea is removable [TS]

  it's much better to be able to buy [TS]

  replacement cable I just don't care [TS]

  about buying like oh and when you buy a [TS]

  replacement cable it's just the USB I [TS]

  was like Marcus said hey it's not just [TS]

  us being able to special one and some [TS]

  firepower and be just make a proprietary [TS]

  and one in like i'll pay apple the the [TS]

  20 bucks for replacement if I'm a wire [TS]

  killer and I killed the thing it's much [TS]

  better than buying a dollar break right [TS]

  and removable cable you know thumbs up [TS]

  everybody likes it like it was an [TS]

  opportunity to take an existing design [TS]

  and fix some of the things that are [TS]

  wrong with it just like making the [TS]

  iphone success less slippery or whatever [TS]

  like you got the bricks I mean you could [TS]

  read it on him entirely and reimagine [TS]

  and counseling way better but if you [TS]

  don't have the time or budget to do that [TS]

  just like the one you have to make it a [TS]

  little better and making a removable [TS]

  cable does make it a little bit better [TS]

  but moving the years and making it [TS]

  removable but making it a big thick USBC [TS]

  table that's not easy to wrap [TS]

  I mean like that's the thing was just [TS]

  like cook don't wrap it around anything [TS]

  just entirely coil it into a circle with [TS]

  a nice bend radius and now you have a [TS]

  circle that's about the same size as the [TS]

  square and you just don't stick them [TS]

  together with a rubber band or something [TS]

  in there you go i think that is what you [TS]

  should do instead of trying to wrap [TS]

  around the break to be clear but people [TS]

  are going to do what they're going to do [TS]

  i'm not sure people are going to take [TS]

  advantage of that and that cable i [TS]

  didn't realize i think it was all [TS]

  markers video is its that's pretty [TS]

  cumbersome yeah so the replace [TS]

  cement USBC charge cable that [TS]

  specifically in the product information [TS]

  noted to be for the macbook pros and the [TS]

  macbook adorable the six-foot-two meter [TS]

  version is nineteen dollars from apple [TS]

  so I I when I said forty dollars earlier [TS]

  I just had no idea and the chat room has [TS]

  provided a link to put in the show notes [TS]

  its twenty dollars from Apple that's [TS]

  again 2 meters a one meter or three foot [TS]

  equivalent cable from anchor is fifteen [TS]

  dollars and this one from anchors [TS]

  specifically noted in the product to [TS]

  product description to carry up to a [TS]

  hundred watts so it's not terribly [TS]

  expensive to replace these and it's Jack [TS]

  of a lot less expensive like i said [TS]

  earlier than replacing an eighty dollar [TS]

  brick which is awesome [TS]

  additionally and I think John you just [TS]

  alluded to this did you can just [TS]

  disconnected and I think part of the [TS]

  reason that I lamented losing the years [TS]

  was because I wanted some way to wrap up [TS]

  that part of the cable that used to be [TS]

  attached permanently attached to the [TS]

  brick and it didn't occur to me without [TS]

  when i was talking about it last episode [TS]

  that i can just pop the darn thing out [TS]

  and like you said John coil it up by [TS]

  whatever mechanism i feel appropriate [TS]

  and then I don't need those ears anymore [TS]

  also i've been really bombed in [TS]

  principle about the lack of years and I [TS]

  i am i am standing down from that I [TS]

  think that was me not thinking the [TS]

  problem through i am still a bit bummed [TS]

  by magsafe and I know that they're the [TS]

  there's the belkin Griffin [TS]

  whatever-it-is thing that you can kind [TS]

  of hack magsafe back in i don't really [TS]

  care for that but i would I I understand [TS]

  why it's not magsafe i think is probably [TS]

  the right decision overall but I am [TS]

  bummed about the loss [TS]

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  thanks a lot so if you if you happen to [TS]

  break both pieces of your power adapter [TS]

  or if you want a second power adapter it [TS]

  appears that the new one is more [TS]

  expensive in the old one [TS]

  what a surprise is is that i didn't know [TS]

  that the old the these the 85 way [TS]

  assuming a 15-inch the 85 watt actually [TS]

  looks like it's true for the 14 13 as [TS]

  well [TS]

  85 watt max safe to power adapter which [TS]

  includes [TS]

  not only does include the the magsafe [TS]

  cable and brick obviously but i think it [TS]

  even includes that extension cable [TS]

  doesn't it [TS]

  the $19 anyway even if you did something [TS]

  so that is $79 so that's what it was [TS]

  right [TS]

  yes $79 field for the adapter for the [TS]

  alternation I'm sorry I thought you [TS]

  talked about the new on my part the new [TS]

  one is $79 just for the brick part [TS]

  oh wow so if you want to match what you [TS]

  got before you have to spend another $19 [TS]

  for the USBC cable and optionally [TS]

  another $19 for the actual three prong [TS]

  extension cable that used to come with [TS]

  the old one [TS]

  I'm gonna check my order that when i [TS]

  ordered my my adapters my work thing i [TS]

  don't know if i took that into account [TS]

  because I ordered a second powerbook [TS]

  like for home so don't bring the power [TS]

  brake back and forth but i don't know if [TS]

  i ordered the power cable thing probably [TS]

  not so so actually what we have here is [TS]

  a price hike by either twenty or forty [TS]

  dollars depending on whether you need [TS]

  the extra long three-prong cable or not [TS]

  fun [TS]

  thatthat's thanks to him yet another [TS]

  accessories price hike added to the [TS]

  dongles added to the now two-sided ipad [TS]

  cases keep you keep added up to him [TS]

  thanks a lot [TS]

  yeah and there were some article that [TS]

  flew around it doesn't matter where it [TS]

  was but I read somewhere somebody saying [TS]

  you know a lot of these things i can [TS]

  just buy like we were just talking about [TS]

  with the magsafe you know the loss of [TS]

  magsafe yet stock so i can justify it [TS]

  and yea losing your sucks but you can [TS]

  justify but man these sorts of price [TS]

  hikes and I'm maybe there are a lot more [TS]

  complex on the inside and I don't know [TS]

  i'm not aware of it and and I'm not [TS]

  giving it do credit but golly it's hard [TS]

  for this not to just seemed like gouging [TS]

  or you know or nickel and diming for the [TS]

  sake of doing so like when did Apple [TS]

  become Porsche in many ways [TS]

  tim has continued Apple doing things [TS]

  that we think are right but there are [TS]

  going to be changes on a big scale when [TS]

  the operations guy who's really good at [TS]

  profit and operations takes over the [TS]

  company from the product visionary and [TS]

  it's not to say that Steve didn't care [TS]

  about profit he very much would charge [TS]

  outrageous amounts for whatever he felt [TS]

  like because he thought he could and [TS]

  sometimes it works and sometimes it [TS]

  didn't but if you when you have the [TS]

  operation take over the company [TS]

  there are going to be changes like this [TS]

  it's inevitable Tim Cook he means well I [TS]

  think he means well for the products and [TS]

  for Apple but he is very much numbers [TS]

  and profit-driven that shows in a lot of [TS]

  things apple has done in the last five [TS]

  years it really really shows you as [TS]

  never mentioned last show like with a [TS]

  lot of Apple changes you can kind of [TS]

  take that the charitable explanation or [TS]

  you can realize like you know well [TS]

  there's also this other side effect for [TS]

  witches apple makes more money now or [TS]

  things got more expensive with this [TS]

  progress that we made or things like [TS]

  that right [TS]

  these kind of changes are inevitable [TS]

  when with tim cook when the company it's [TS]

  going to keep happening [TS]

  we're going to keep seeing things get [TS]

  cut we're gonna see features to get cut [TS]

  we're going to see accessories that we [TS]

  used to be included that now costs money [TS]

  we're like it was going to keep seeing [TS]

  this because the way Tim Cook operates [TS]

  is to find profit and extracted that is [TS]

  what he's really good at and it's going [TS]

  to keep happening as long as Tim Cook is [TS]

  the CEO and I don't have any reason to [TS]

  believe it's going to end anytime soon [TS]

  as long as Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple [TS]

  it's going to keep going down this path [TS]

  for things are going to get more pared [TS]

  down and more expensive and it's gonna [TS]

  somehow result in giving Apple more [TS]

  money for the kinds of things that we [TS]

  used to have to give that much money for [TS]

  that's just how that's that's what's [TS]

  going to happen it is happening it has [TS]

  been happening and it will continue to [TS]

  happen [TS]

  yeah i mean i don't know it'sit's again [TS]

  there may be perfectly valid reasons for [TS]

  all these things but golly looking from [TS]

  looking from the sidelines [TS]

  it's hard for me to see what they are [TS]

  for not everything but a lot of them [TS]

  well and some of these things do have [TS]

  valid reasons also but you it's really [TS]

  hard to ignore that they wow you know [TS]

  they're there are a few justifications [TS]

  for this change but then also apple now [TS]

  makes 40 bucks more every time you buy [TS]

  it's like yeah like you have to look at [TS]

  both sides that like it's it's important [TS]

  to be to at least try to figure out a [TS]

  good reason why don't have done [TS]

  something but it's also important not to [TS]

  be foolish enough to fit to realize like [TS]

  also they do this with a profit [TS]

  yeah yeah and i think the perfect [TS]

  example to me is that extension cable [TS]

  that goes to the three prong connector [TS]

  in our why don't know how that works in [TS]

  other countries but you know here in the [TS]

  states you have the little receptacle [TS]

  that goes on the power brick and then [TS]

  it's like this two or three your main i [TS]

  guess like three or four foot cable that [TS]

  goes into the wall it has a ground on it [TS]

  because not all of our plugs need [TS]

  grounds yes i know that's barbaric for [TS]

  you if you're British blah blah but [TS]

  British people cannot complain about our [TS]

  plug that plugs the size of a Buick oh [TS]

  don't even get me started it's absurd [TS]

  yet it's very same we can safely walk [TS]

  around our house at night with their [TS]

  feet in any case the point of driving it [TS]

  though is that it is hard for me to [TS]

  understand why it is that that [TS]

  twenty-dollar cable is no longer [TS]

  included in this 22 five-thousand-dollar [TS]

  laptop like that it's just hard for me [TS]

  to understand why that could be [TS]

  maybe there's a reason I mean not only [TS]

  you not only just him need your just him [TS]

  just is really good at at profitability [TS]

  increasing that but look a lot of apples [TS]

  numbers are not doing so well recently [TS]

  if you look at their you know their [TS]

  earnings there Walter result their sales [TS]

  figures they have a lot of pressure on [TS]

  them to increase profitability and [TS]

  obviously no one way you do that is by [TS]

  selling more units another way to do it [TS]

  is by making more money from each one [TS]

  and so the pressure is is very strong on [TS]

  Tim Cook personally because that's the [TS]

  kind of thing like if if that starts [TS]

  going south for a while you tend to want [TS]

  to replace the CEO so the pressure is [TS]

  very strong at the top to increase those [TS]

  those revenue numbers to increase those [TS]

  are those margins to Italy to keep [TS]

  basically combat what's actually [TS]

  happening in the market which is kinda [TS]

  general cooling of a lot of the market [TS]

  the apples in right you know you have [TS]

  you have ipad sales kind of you know not [TS]

  going great you have the mac kind of [TS]

  slowing you have the iphone kind of you [TS]

  know leveling off a little bit [TS]

  Apple has a lot of pressure on it now to [TS]

  make more money somehow and it used to [TS]

  be not you know I'm not easy in absolute [TS]

  terms but it used to be easier take it [TS]

  well they just keep selling more these [TS]

  things that's great everything's going [TS]

  well but now with the the cooling off of [TS]

  their numbers in the market there's tons [TS]

  of pressure them to just increase [TS]

  profitability so we're seeing the screws [TS]

  tighten all over the place all over the [TS]

  product line the services all the screws [TS]

  tightening because they have to keep [TS]

  making more money and they have they [TS]

  have to do it for any way they can now [TS]

  because otherwise numbers are going to [TS]

  start maybe getting worse and you know [TS]

  so we're going to keep seeing this [TS]

  there's a reason what like we're going [TS]

  to keep seeing products that give us [TS]

  that are somehow you know little bit [TS]

  cheaper to make maybe or at least we are [TS]

  including include less without paying [TS]

  extra you know we're not going to see [TS]

  massive increases in like iCloud storage [TS]

  for free regulate apple needs more money [TS]

  from us and that's gonna keep happening [TS]

  yeah we'll see final bit of follow-up [TS]

  for today Apple is out of the Wi-Fi [TS]

  business which we knew but we had an [TS]

  email from an anonymous employee of a [TS]

  major company that makes products that [TS]

  integrate with Wi-Fi routers and this [TS]

  individual said we're sad that Apple is [TS]

  not making Wi-Fi routers anymore because [TS]

  out of all the equipment that we deal [TS]

  with worldwide the airport's had the [TS]

  fewest problems and the two problems [TS]

  that we had seemed to have gotten [TS]

  themselves fix some way somehow and [TS]

  that's a pretty glowing recommendation [TS]

  from someone who presumably is in the [TS]

  know [TS]

  additionally JD Power and Associates [TS]

  apparently rated apples routers is [TS]

  having the highest or best or [TS]

  what-have-you customer satisfaction or [TS]

  if you're Tim Cook customer sat of all [TS]

  available Wi-Fi routers so whoops well [TS]

  the customer sad thing is kind of funny [TS]

  because there's you know that you got [TS]

  the endowment effect or whatever the [TS]

  hell it's called when you buy something [TS]

  expensive you're more inclined to say [TS]

  that it's good because you don't be [TS]

  foolish for making the purchase and so [TS]

  apples routers are very expensive and [TS]

  therefore people who buy them are more [TS]

  likely to say that they're good and also [TS]

  it's got the apple brand where even if [TS]

  your Wi-Fi router is the same or worse [TS]

  than other ones because it's the apple [TS]

  brand because it looks nice and because [TS]

  it matches your other Apple software [TS]

  also inclined to say that it's better so [TS]

  those two things are working towards any [TS]

  know empirically performance-wise levels [TS]

  Wi-Fi routers are not the best you can [TS]

  buy but that's just you know it's it's [TS]

  another not a data point for Apple to [TS]

  consider is that they were selling an [TS]

  outdated product that doesn't perform as [TS]

  well as the competition and cost more [TS]

  and people were still satisfied with it [TS]

  essentially if [TS]

  is to believe that you know their people [TS]

  were willing to do it [TS]

  they're willing to pay more money for a [TS]

  less good on paper product that I in my [TS]

  experience was actually reliable so you [TS]

  know most companies would like to have a [TS]

  product like that but Apple it's not [TS]

  it's not along the critical path raffle [TS]

  these days so oh well enough [TS]

  alright we are out of follow-up and the [TS]

  topic list says that the next thing we [TS]

  need to talk about its intended switch [TS]

  so Marco you want to talk about scary [TS]

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  ah John tell us about the Nintendo [TS]

  switch [TS]

  well I should ask you to it's been so [TS]

  long since 10 most present haha gotta [TS]

  remember what it is [TS]

  did you watch the day you and it came [TS]

  out we did I did yeah it's like a boy a [TS]

  boy puppy right yeah yeah so you already [TS]

  know about specific looks like a puppy [TS]

  here are so many other people [TS]

  yes so I I don't feel like even though [TS]

  I'm the official summarizer in chief for [TS]

  the chief summarized in chief I don't [TS]

  feel like I'm the best person summarizes [TS]

  because I don't really care for video [TS]

  game consoles but what I remember from [TS]

  the video was it was pretty people in [TS]

  pretty apartments playing with this [TS]

  thing that could either be a handheld or [TS]

  could be connected to your TV and it [TS]

  seemed to also facilitate using like two [TS]

  controllers if you're playing by [TS]

  yourself so you have like one in each [TS]

  hand or if you had a game that supported [TS]

  it you could give ya one of the [TS]

  controllers to a friend and hold on to [TS]

  the other and when when tilted from [TS]

  portrait to landscape I guess they're [TS]

  effectively the same thing and so you [TS]

  could play two player game with what is [TS]

  really two halves of one controller and [TS]

  that was pretty cool and it just made it [TS]

  seemed like a very compelling very [TS]

  different an interesting take on a video [TS]

  game console but truth be told I've [TS]

  known the video game console since the [TS]

  original wii and I got that console for [TS]

  all the reasons that all the people who [TS]

  don't play video games got it was [TS]

  because it looked interesting and [TS]

  exciting and different so I don't market [TS]

  let me start with you anything you want [TS]

  to add to that and then John why don't [TS]

  you learn us as to what we should think [TS]

  about this [TS]

  I mean so I have a slightly different [TS]

  condition and in that [TS]

  my wife tiff does play a video game [TS]

  consoles and not frequently but there's [TS]

  usually like one or two great games that [TS]

  she wants to play so badly any system [TS]

  that we end up buying it anyway and then [TS]

  usually its sister and collecting dust [TS]

  forever and we feel bad about it [TS]

  afterwards so these systems are in my [TS]

  house I could play them occasionally I [TS]

  have but it's basically not a part of my [TS]

  life i'm basically not a gamer I I used [TS]

  to be and i would like to be still same [TS]

  here but I I every time the the [TS]

  opportunity comes up to play a game I [TS]

  instead look at my computer I'm like [TS]

  well I could do this instead [TS]

  and I just I always want to do other [TS]

  things instead I I'm kind of an [TS]

  aspirational gamer i would like to be a [TS]

  gamer but in practice I never choose to [TS]

  be you're not counting desert golf is [TS]

  because that's a game i'm not sure if [TS]

  you know that i did put that for a while [TS]

  but i haven't played recently because I [TS]

  know but you didn't think a lot of time [TS]

  it's usually the way it works against [TS]

  people don't play a game with the [TS]

  exception of people play MMOs people [TS]

  don't play games forever and ever like [TS]

  the game comes out they play it for a [TS]

  while then they stopped when desert golf [TS]

  came out you were right you were the [TS]

  most heavily intuitive any person I [TS]

  actually know well i was i was also kind [TS]

  of using it as like Twitter methadone [TS]

  yeah well anyway did you see that thing [TS]

  i sent you by the way that doesn't [TS]

  girlfriend someone found the end yeah [TS]

  yeah it's almost at the 16-bit in limit [TS]

  but not going [TS]

  yeah so basically the intense which [TS]

  looks really interested me because I [TS]

  some of the things about that that I [TS]

  think are appealing are appealing to [TS]

  people like me so things like it you [TS]

  know like the wii it is kind of the [TS]

  casual gaming system it is not like the [TS]

  hardcore you know ps7 vr + / like I [TS]

  don't care about most of that stuff I i [TS]

  know even if I like if I got the PS 54 [TS]

  probe ER i know i would use it like once [TS]

  and I would never use it again so i'm [TS]

  not going to get that must have really [TS]

  wanted for some reason so like all like [TS]

  the high-end video game stuff I i tend [TS]

  to shy away from because I just don't I [TS]

  i know i won't use it and I just don't [TS]

  care and all the games you want to play [TS]

  the systems are all like everyone [TS]

  shooting each other and calling them [TS]

  racist names and it's just like I don't [TS]

  want that [TS]

  you know that's yeah yeah I have most of [TS]

  like modern management gaming is really [TS]

  not for me for a number of reasons so [TS]

  anyway what I like about the Nintendo [TS]

  approach in general is it tends to focus [TS]

  on just what the fuck with the fun [TS]

  gameplay and the general playability and [TS]

  quality of the games themselves not just [TS]

  having the most detailed graphics when [TS]

  you're playing an uber realistic well [TS]

  when you're playing a an army simulation [TS]

  that his players think our is realistic [TS]

  and stimulating killing people in the [TS]

  modern world [TS]

  yeah that doesn't do anything for me but [TS]

  the idea of racing around a rainbow [TS]

  racetrack shooting turtle shells of my [TS]

  friends and like that if like I like [TS]

  that you know that sounds fun and so I [TS]

  like the theory of what Nintendo does [TS]

  and maybe what they used to do in [TS]

  practice while I've had very little [TS]

  experience with it and almost all butch [TS]

  was at johns house a couple years ago [TS]

  for his birthday [TS]

  playing playing the wii u it seems like [TS]

  Nintendo's recent efforts are so much [TS]

  more complex than they used to be that [TS]

  for somebody like me it doesn't really [TS]

  pull me anymore like 8i i would i would [TS]

  love if I could just go by entendo [TS]

  system and bring it home and have it be [TS]

  just as nice and simple and playable and [TS]

  accessible as their older games were [TS]

  like in the nes in Super Nintendo era [TS]

  but just new games inside just playing [TS]

  the same old ones over and over again [TS]

  like I would love that i would love to [TS]

  go out and pay for that and and enjoy it [TS]

  with my family that be fun but in [TS]

  practice the game now are so complex [TS]

  because they just had so many years to [TS]

  accumulate crap so like mario kart has [TS]

  like 50 characters now and all these [TS]

  different crazy things happening all [TS]

  over the track like it's hard for me to [TS]

  even keep up its kind of manic it's kind [TS]

  of like they've advanced even past this [TS]

  my level of casual gaming so when I see [TS]

  the switch and it won't want to the [TS]

  video of the sort of the promo video the [TS]

  switch with all the pretty young people [TS]

  who have nothing to do apparently [TS]

  playing video games all day sorry young [TS]

  people when i see that it looks [TS]

  appealing it looks like i would love to [TS]

  have this little puppy gameboy and be [TS]

  able to take the controllers and have [TS]

  two player [TS]

  local multiplayer anywhere i take this [TS]

  that's awesome like the two player that [TS]

  is so great to have two player local [TS]

  multiplayer in a portable like this [TS]

  that's fantastic i hope they really do [TS]

  well with that and i hope they really [TS]

  use it but if i look at the games they [TS]

  made recently it's all stuff that I that [TS]

  I think i will like unless I try it and [TS]

  I realize oh this [TS]

  yeah i don't i don't know if this is too [TS]

  much for me i don't i don't care for [TS]

  this so it's the kind of thing where in [TS]

  theory i might really enjoy this thing [TS]

  but in practice i probably won't [TS]

  so John what do you think well my i am a [TS]

  console gamer and I do like gaming [TS]

  consoles and I've had a whole bunch of [TS]

  them have had it but having my house now [TS]

  the ps3 for pro and the Nintendo 64 game [TS]

  cube we did I skip on anyway I got a [TS]

  bunch of different consoles know [TS]

  Microsoft one sorry at and when the we [TS]

  came out I was disappointed that [TS]

  Nintendo had given up the race for [TS]

  console power that they were no longer [TS]

  pursuing that they were content to [TS]

  produce a console that was basically [TS]

  previous generation hardware and I was [TS]

  disappointed in that because I knew what [TS]

  that would mean for the games that are [TS]

  produced and I know what it would mean [TS]

  for the software support and it [TS]

  eventually did like very quickly games [TS]

  would be out for playstation 3 xbox 360 [TS]

  and pc that was a list of supported [TS]

  platforms you would see all the time on [TS]

  games the most popular games are out for [TS]

  those platforms the best sellers the [TS]

  triple-a games as i told them i was a [TS]

  call them playstation 3 xbox 360 pc [TS]

  never we port if there was a wee part in [TS]

  the rare case it looked terrible they [TS]

  played terrible it had disadvantages [TS]

  because you just can't make a cross [TS]

  platform game targeting three platforms [TS]

  that are sort of on the same level [TS]

  and then one platform that is an entire [TS]

  generation behind that didn't end up [TS]

  hurting the wii because that we appeal [TS]

  to all the cases of the world who are [TS]

  like I want a regular bowl too and it [TS]

  was fun right and it was it was cool and [TS]

  interesting and got tons more people to [TS]

  play to buy a nintendo console and by [TS]

  Nintendo console games and play them and [TS]

  have a good time and so the wii was a [TS]

  success as a product but for me who is [TS]

  just a plain old boring console gamer of [TS]

  the old stripe not of the new on a bowl [TS]

  of my living room strike but the [TS]

  old-style it was interesting i like [TS]

  mostly like the fact that i could play [TS]

  gamecube games on it [TS]

  still it was nice that backward [TS]

  compatibility which you know it didn't [TS]

  get on the the ps3 or whatever and i [TS]

  enjoyed those games two and i enjoyed [TS]

  the Nintendo exclusive games as the [TS]

  first party games as i always do it [TS]

  because they were all very good you know [TS]

  nintendo does a good job with this offer [TS]

  they're not too complex for me so I was [TS]

  i liked the the expansion of those games [TS]

  into the new platform oh I did play [TS]

  zelda on the Gamecube instead of the way [TS]

  on purpose because the controls are [TS]

  better on the Gamecube one then then on [TS]

  the way version but give them a pass [TS]

  because like all right well if you have [TS]

  to do this it's going to be successful [TS]

  product rather than to have a successful [TS]

  product and unsuccessful one because I [TS]

  want them to be successful so you [TS]

  continue making the games i like and i [TS]

  did like the games that they made the [TS]

  wii u was a similar thing previous [TS]

  generation hardware right so there it is [TS]

  better than the wii but they're still [TS]

  basically one entire generation behind [TS]

  if you want to measure in terms of [TS]

  performance wasn't going to get the [TS]

  ports for all the ps4 and xbox one games [TS]

  which are its supposed contemporaries [TS]

  more or less so you're still going to [TS]

  see games their ps4 xbox one and pc [TS]

  that's all you're going to see and it [TS]

  had a novelty factor with the second [TS]

  screen and also supported all the wii's [TS]

  motion control stuff on top of that in [TS]

  fact there was so many different role [TS]

  options probably too many but it wasn't [TS]

  successful instantly people weren't as [TS]

  interested in and obviously this time [TS]

  the wii stuff was interesting to them [TS]

  because they had already seen all that [TS]

  and if they had been like Casey it [TS]

  bought it [TS]

  scene that played it and then you know [TS]

  it goes away they want something new and [TS]

  the new thing [TS]

  the second screen didn't appeals that [TS]

  because it wasn't like marker set it [TS]

  seemed more complicated even more [TS]

  complicated than just using a controller [TS]

  you know that we've seen less [TS]

  complicated that you just stand in front [TS]

  of the TV with thing looks like our [TS]

  motor wave your hands around like an [TS]

  idiot right that but this was now I hold [TS]

  this thing with all these buttons and [TS]

  the screen here but there's also a [TS]

  screen there but sometimes they're [TS]

  combined it was too much the first party [TS]

  games for you have been really good [TS]

  intentions against was really good i [TS]

  think mary kart 8 is one of the best [TS]

  entries in the memory card series i [TS]

  don't think it's to manic I think it's [TS]

  about equally mannequins the nintendo 64 [TS]

  version that Marco probably liked but it [TS]

  you know it's I think it's a great entry [TS]

  in the series i think almost all the [TS]

  antenna first party games for wii u [TS]

  really good especially the ones that [TS]

  sort of harken back to the 2d Mario's [TS]

  where they're technically 3d but they're [TS]

  the freedom of motion is decrease so [TS]

  it's a simple game to get into them you [TS]

  know a quarter full fledge merrier like [TS]

  you know sunshine galaxy or Mary 64 but [TS]

  it wasn't successfully you was not a [TS]

  success it was they stopped [TS]

  manufacturing its top-selling it way [TS]

  before the normal active life time of a [TS]

  console so the wii u is no more you can [TS]

  find a cheap it is if you really can [TS]

  find a cheap the first party games were [TS]

  absolutely worth playing and you should [TS]

  get them but i would say that we use a [TS]

  failure of a console you know I almost [TS]

  as much of a failure as that we was [TS]

  success and so the successor to that the [TS]

  hastily ready successor because if [TS]

  you're going to can we you have [TS]

  something to replace it is the switch [TS]

  thing and the rumors were for long [TS]

  before even the wii u was cancelled that [TS]

  Nintendo's next council was going to be [TS]

  some kind of hybrid thing that was both [TS]

  portable and regular and as soon as [TS]

  rumors came out you're like well for the [TS]

  third time in a row [TS]

  nintendo is not going to try to make a [TS]

  gaming console whose power is comparable [TS]

  to the current generation of consoles [TS]

  which at this point are the like 2.5 [TS]

  releases you got the ps4 pro which is [TS]

  not really the next generation [TS]

  PlayStation 2 PlayStation five but it's [TS]

  more powerful than playing playstation 4 [TS]

  and xbox has that Scorpio thing I forget [TS]

  a present [TS]

  Lynette that's coming out next year or [TS]

  whenever it's going to be even more [TS]

  powerful than the xbox one but backward [TS]

  compatible you know so that the other [TS]

  console makers are doing this half [TS]

  generation thing but either way the [TS]

  switch is not going to be there [TS]

  contemporary in terms of power so they [TS]

  the Rangers thing it is a hybrid if its [TS]

  hybrid and portal and how can it be how [TS]

  can be comfortable and power to [TS]

  something that you plug into the wall [TS]

  and the state's plug in the whole time [TS]

  and that is the size of lunch box this [TS]

  is small its portable the screen is [TS]

  right in it is going to be under power [TS]

  this thing uses an NVIDIA Tegra process [TS]

  this thing uses an NVIDIA Tegra process [TS]

  so which is a mobile thing I think it [TS]

  will be more powerful than the wii u [TS]

  because it was pretty pretty hard not to [TS]

  be but I don't think it's even up to the [TS]

  power level the PlayStation 4 [TS]

  what does that mean for the third [TS]

  generation there will be games that are [TS]

  available for playstation 4 and [TS]

  PlayStation 4 pro for xbox one and the [TS]

  scorpio thing for pc and you won't see [TS]

  the antenna switch on that list right so [TS]

  it will continue to operate in the world [TS]

  where it doesn't get the first the the [TS]

  the Triple A titles from the big [TS]

  third-party vendors the multi-platform [TS]

  big titles are in general not going to [TS]

  be in all of them that they are and it's [TS]

  going to be a cut-down version but isn't [TS]

  that kind of like a feature not a bug [TS]

  like to me it's like you know if you [TS]

  want to have like you know call [TS]

  desensitized to violence 17 like is that [TS]

  really the kind of game that you want to [TS]

  play on a switch I I think your view of [TS]

  the console game world is very narrow [TS]

  compared to the actuality of it for [TS]

  example I would say one of the games [TS]

  that if it hasn't already played I think [TS]

  she will enjoy is uncharted 4 which is [TS]

  very very far from that have a bunch of [TS]

  twelve-year-olds call you racist names [TS]

  why you should people with realistic [TS]

  military guns stereotype that you are [TS]

  putting in an even though it is a [TS]

  multimillion-dollar Triple A game with [TS]

  huge budgets it's not cross-platform [TS]

  this case its platform exclusive we [TS]

  might actually have that with which game [TS]

  came in the bundle that we bought the [TS]

  ps4 with so the typical play fallout [TS]

  probably you probably have uncharted 4 [TS]

  but if you sit and watch her play [TS]

  through it i think it's all the wrapping [TS]

  I think you if you if he decides to play [TS]

  through it and you watch her play [TS]

  through it i think you will be [TS]

  thoroughly convinced that despite having [TS]

  the trappings of you know in movie [TS]

  parlance a big-budget movie it's got all [TS]

  it costs a lot of money to make it's got [TS]

  super realistic graphics everything you [TS]

  know like it's that type of game exactly [TS]

  that type but I think content-wise is [TS]

  not what you expected to be and that's [TS]

  not even going into considering the [TS]

  games that are into John's that you're [TS]

  not even thinking about and we're [TS]

  japanese things that are you know like [TS]

  anyway i think is much more diverse than [TS]

  you think it's been no also who is [TS]

  acceptable time follow-up ATP tipster [TS]

  who knows everything [TS]

  apparently he says I have the collection [TS]

  not for 12 and 30 [TS]

  well anyway all the games are getting a [TS]

  rumor of my own game collection for me [TS]

  p tipster which is probably the reason I [TS]

  look at you I don't know what W but i [TS]

  haven't been to your house to see which [TS]

  the thing you have but there's much more [TS]

  writing everybody the right i like to [TS]

  have available to me the menu of the [TS]

  best games and I don't play war games [TS]

  either i don't play any realistic [TS]

  shooters and play military shooters i [TS]

  also don't play any sports games and and [TS]

  you know like I have generous that I [TS]

  like to but i would prefer to have the [TS]

  menu of all the big important cause [TS]

  performance which is one of the reasons [TS]

  i have a playstation also as I brought [TS]

  up many times power console power you [TS]

  know computing power is not just like [TS]

  I'm just going to make them look [TS]

  prettier and it's totally pointless and [TS]

  we should concentrate on the gameplay [TS]

  more power gives the ability to make [TS]

  different types of games you can their [TS]

  gameplay advances that are only possible [TS]

  due to power 3d is one of them if you [TS]

  don't give you if you kept making 2d [TS]

  hardware and just let it control more [TS]

  and more sprites you never get married [TS]

  64 if you never crank up the computing [TS]

  power and you know for wearable shaders [TS]

  everything you don't get a game that [TS]

  looks like ego or shadow of the colossus [TS]

  of you if you can't do large crowds you [TS]

  don't get dead rising like it affects [TS]

  gameplay and like making things thinner [TS]

  you like well do I need something is [TS]

  incremental more powerful just make it [TS]

  is not that big of a deal [TS]

  well who like a Viking i get like [TS]

  slightly bigger crowds are slightly [TS]

  longer draw distance if you opt out of [TS]

  that are always lagging behind you won't [TS]

  be you won't be able to make that next [TS]

  leap like so nintendo is always one [TS]

  behind what they can do I always at this [TS]

  point you know it hasn't been talking [TS]

  about the last show some people have [TS]

  been fantasizing about what it would be [TS]

  like if Colin makers can make max was [TS]

  like boy if someone you know someone was [TS]

  willing and able to make like the mac of [TS]

  your dreams with the features that you [TS]

  want or whatever and apple let them do [TS]

  it for many years now basically since [TS]

  the introduction of that we have [TS]

  anything about can you imagine what a [TS]

  zelda game would be like that ps4 pro [TS]

  you know same developers like it made by [TS]

  nintendo because they know how to make [TS]

  great Zelda games that I enjoy people [TS]

  like zelda games they do not make right [TS]

  but having available to them to consult [TS]

  aren't used to be well you can't do that [TS]

  because Nintendo makes its games in [TS]

  harmony with the control schemes which [TS]

  is still true but at this point if [TS]

  they're always going to like behind hard [TS]

  it's like I'm almost willing to [TS]

  sacrifice some of their control [TS]

  innovation especially after something [TS]

  like the wii u where their control [TS]

  innovation didn't really work out that [TS]

  way like Star Fox on the wii u that's an [TS]

  interesting control scheme but i'm not [TS]

  sure to make starfox better and and even [TS]

  on the wii for traditional types of [TS]

  games like Zelda I preferred to play it [TS]

  on the Gamecube all those cards are [TS]

  obviously was a thing that only work on [TS]

  the weekend i'm glad i played that game [TS]

  even though it has some issues anyway so [TS]

  switch not pursuing that in exchange for [TS]

  not pursuing it has more than the wii u [TS]

  does the wii u did not pursue power did [TS]

  not have a novelty to get people to buy [TS]

  it but it didn't it didn't have anything [TS]

  the only thing I had to offer was how [TS]

  you've got second screen is lots of [TS]

  different transcripts which I think was [TS]

  interesting but ultimately wasn't enough [TS]

  the switch has something to offer which [TS]

  like you said markers you can take it [TS]

  away from your TV and carry with you [TS]

  like that is that is a pretty big [TS]

  selling point and if nintendo is going [TS]

  to opt out of the console war as they [TS]

  you know the console power water [TS]

  basically to be in their own market like [TS]

  we are not selling a thing that's the [TS]

  same as the xbox and playstation we're [TS]

  selling a different thing like you and [TS]

  you can tell it's different because you [TS]

  can pick those up and walk away with [TS]

  them they don't have a screen right it [TS]

  is a different thing and so then it you [TS]

  don't have an expectation that the [TS]

  multi-platform games going to be on all [TS]

  of them and now the question is where do [TS]

  they find they find a place in the [TS]

  gaming market where they can fit that is [TS]

  not competing with microsoft and sony [TS]

  over there making the consul's not [TS]

  competing for with the pc gamers also [TS]

  not competing for the phone and tablet [TS]

  games is their place somewhere like it's [TS]

  not one of those places that's making [TS]

  games that you can use portably but also [TS]

  on your TV but aren't console games and [TS]

  aren't fancy like pc games but also our [TS]

  casual like mobile games it's a strange [TS]

  place and i think i think the switch it [TS]

  has the ability to potentially carve out [TS]

  that appeal and I think actually the [TS]

  thing that gives you the power to find a [TS]

  market is both it has an advantage the [TS]

  customers and see but also because it's [TS]

  less powerful this was true the way you [TS]

  in the way and it was enough to save [TS]

  them but because of less powerful there [TS]

  is the potential to attract [TS]

  games that are I don't know there's a [TS]

  word for it but like not triple I but [TS]

  how about double-a games or just a game [TS]

  is basically games made on a much [TS]

  smaller budget because the assets will [TS]

  be you know fewer polygons lower [TS]

  resolution textures like it's still [TS]

  there still happen definition right but [TS]

  in theory that so the theory goes you [TS]

  can make a game more cheaply for the [TS]

  switch then you can for the playstation [TS]

  4 or the xbox one because there is lower [TS]

  fidelity and lower-cost heart in the [TS]

  assets and all that other stuff and so [TS]

  if there's an interesting game idea that [TS]

  doesn't they can never get the [TS]

  multimillion-dollar budget behind it [TS]

  maybe that will appear on the switch why [TS]

  wouldn't a game appear on iOS maybe it [TS]

  would [TS]

  that's bad for Nintendo but maybe also [TS]

  is the type of game that really expect a [TS]

  traditional controller and you can't put [TS]

  a game on iOS that demands the [TS]

  controller and apparently you can do an [TS]

  apple TV and no one cares because no one [TS]

  games on apple TV and you know honestly [TS]

  don't know which camera is it was gonna [TS]

  probably be more powerful more capable [TS]

  in a much better game system in the [TS]

  apple TV and regular TV connected box so [TS]

  I I'm not optimistic about the switches [TS]

  chances but I'm not as pessimistic as i [TS]

  was about the wii u of it intends going [TS]

  to do anything it was either come back [TS]

  and try to compete with micro zoning and [TS]

  they're not doing that now and then to [TS]

  be clear that would be very dangerous [TS]

  and difficult than the other kind [TS]

  understand what they didn't do it or [TS]

  find a new market and this is their [TS]

  attempt to find a new market and just [TS]

  just staring at it like it's not up to [TS]

  me what I think it is not the market he [TS]

  thinks of its it's on mass like if you [TS]

  know you're busy it's okay so you think [TS]

  that people is yeah right [TS]

  it really is though is the thing that [TS]

  people want to buy right because people [TS]

  already have they can already play [TS]

  better golf they can already play angry [TS]

  birds on their phones right and they [TS]

  already have another console and they [TS]

  already have pcs is you know is nintendo [TS]

  slowly becoming the company that sells [TS]

  products only two people who want to [TS]

  play first part in nintendo games and if [TS]

  so is that a viable business and if it's [TS]

  a viable business is it a viable [TS]

  business that supports the creation of [TS]

  hardware or will they inevitably end up [TS]

  merely being a game developer for other [TS]

  people's hardware which no one wants to [TS]

  see happen but as the Nintendo that we [TS]

  knew it seems to be fading from view and [TS]

  as intended was forced to [TS]

  I'm not gonna say pimp out its [TS]

  properties but forced to expand its [TS]

  intellectual property into new realms by [TS]

  you know making mobile games like Mary [TS]

  run and having and pokemon go by teaming [TS]

  up with universal to make a theme park [TS]

  doing things that have previously hadn't [TS]

  done because look they have very [TS]

  valuable intellectual property and if [TS]

  you want to make some money you can make [TS]

  money by giving University of characters [TS]

  having been making the theme park you [TS]

  can make money by making a mobile [TS]

  version of mario because it's going to [TS]

  sell a lot of copies just based on the [TS]

  name but as they do that the Nintendo [TS]

  that was the Nintendo that made Mary 64 [TS]

  and the controller and that whole [TS]

  console you know to to usher in a new [TS]

  age of 3d gaming all the piece hardware [TS]

  and software and you know in gameplay [TS]

  altogether that one is fading from view [TS]

  and it makes me just think more and more [TS]

  about the idea of nintendo making a [TS]

  zelda game for ps4 and stop selling its [TS]

  own hardware entirely like if they if [TS]

  they keep trying you know if they've had [TS]

  11 success in one failure [TS]

  the third one will kind of be the [TS]

  tiebreaker if they didn't do it with [TS]

  this one [TS]

  what is the net what's the next [TS]

  generation move is the next generation [TS]

  to say no more hardware entirely or do [TS]

  they go back to fighting with Microsoft [TS]

  Nintendo for with real full power [TS]

  consoles or has that ship sailed [TS]

  I don't know anyway i'm buying another [TS]

  switch because i want to play the next [TS]

  mary zell the game as i always do and [TS]

  whatever other weird game surprises me [TS]

  because there's always one for each and [TS]

  a platform and when I buy a console and [TS]

  play only two or three games on it [TS]

  I don't feel bad or guilty I feel like [TS]

  it's money well spent because you know [TS]

  that's the amount of time i have to [TS]

  invest and I'm totally willing to to buy [TS]

  a contact i bought two consoles now to [TS]

  playstation 4 consoles the vast majority [TS]

  which have been playing a single game [TS]

  destiny only to play uncharted for a few [TS]

  other things on it and I'm fine with [TS]

  that but it doesn't really matter [TS]

  I'm not the customer Apple is going for [TS]

  and neither is marco i think nintendo [TS]

  continues to go for Casey which is [TS]

  someone who's not really into games but [TS]

  maybe the bodies thing just because it [TS]

  looks cool and and we'll see we'll see [TS]

  but the the sales numbers i will see [TS]

  what the third party software support [TS]

  looks like because the third party [TS]

  software support for the wii u just [TS]

  basically disappeared after [TS]

  everyone realized that no one was buying [TS]

  them and you can't put your existing [TS]

  titles and it's not worth making a [TS]

  custom title because it's not enough of [TS]

  them out in the wild and no one knows [TS]

  what to do with that controller anyway [TS]

  so I'm not buying one of these it [TS]

  doesn't a nintendo I mean John you know [TS]

  better than I do it doesn't end o still [TS]

  do well in portables that's not [TS]

  something i don't know what had been [TS]

  following is close to the question is do [TS]

  they continue to sell the 3ds order then [TS]

  a lot of the stories that say about the [TS]

  switches like oh this is great because [TS]

  Nintendo being a small company had [TS]

  difficulty making software like you know [TS]

  for example for the wii u is a long wait [TS]

  between first-party titles and third [TS]

  parties were not filling the gap and [TS]

  that's you know if Nintendo didn't have [TS]

  to spend some of these resources making [TS]

  3ds games and so much resources making [TS]

  me you games instead the head teams just [TS]

  making games for their one and only [TS]

  platform that happens to be portable as [TS]

  well as television connected want that [TS]

  solve that problem but on the other hand [TS]

  I you know I haven't seen any official [TS]

  announcement that they're going to stop [TS]

  selling that the two TDs and 3ds and [TS]

  those are still lower power devices that [TS]

  are going to way better battery life in [TS]

  this thing is that you know so as far as [TS]

  I've been able to determine i admit that [TS]

  i have not been following this closely [TS]

  i'm sure we'll follow up about it i [TS]

  think they're going to sell the switch [TS]

  and continue to sell the 3ds least for [TS]

  some period of time so i don't know i [TS]

  don't see that they're going to get the [TS]

  big win we're like concentrate [TS]

  everything under this one console in [TS]

  theory they could in theory they could [TS]

  say this is it from now on it's intended [TS]

  switch and all other console lines will [TS]

  fade out and we'll put our wood behind [TS]

  this one arrow but you know i don't i'm [TS]

  not sure that's advisable this point and [TS]

  you know what if the switch is a dud and [TS]

  you have a hard kaur fading out on the [TS]

  the 3ds then what have you even got left [TS]

  so I don't think that's going to happen [TS]

  i have read about it happening and if it [TS]

  is some old Senate you know well maybe [TS]

  maybe this is the head right maybe maybe [TS]

  the switch is maybe right now they plan [TS]

  to launch the switch keep 3d surround as [TS]

  kind of like a fallback plan and then if [TS]

  the switch does well then you basically [TS]

  replace a 3ds then you just in 3ds and [TS]

  and move everybody to over the switches [TS]

  to me like if you look at what nintendo [TS]

  is is good at where they succeed and if [TS]

  you look at the what holds us in the [TS]

  marketplace today you know yeah I think [TS]

  you're right it is it is worth [TS]

  questioning like you know does a whole [TS]

  exist for a portable system that isn't a [TS]

  tablet sort of that also is not a 3ds [TS]

  and that also is not like an xbox and [TS]

  ps4 and I think the answer there is [TS]

  maybe because that the tablet tablet [TS]

  gaming has basically shown that a whole [TS]

  lot of people want something [TS]

  approximately that size to play games on [TS]

  either for themselves or their kids and [TS]

  actual like computing tablets of what we [TS]

  think of today basically iPads and [TS]

  occasionally cheap amazon android [TS]

  tablets that somehow cost less than a [TS]

  cable from Apple they used to be really [TS]

  good for gaming [TS]

  well the Amazon was kind of neverwhere [TS]

  but the apple ones used to be good for [TS]

  gaming until appstore economics kind of [TS]

  ruined iOS games on a pretty grand scale [TS]

  and it's to the point now where it is [TS]

  very very hard to find games that i want [TS]

  my kid to play on iOS that aren't full [TS]

  of ads or in-app purchase garbage i'm [TS]

  willing to pay but it doesn't matter [TS]

  because it's not even an option anymore [TS]

  so basically i can see a potential [TS]

  market here where this is the system [TS]

  that you buy either for yourself or for [TS]

  your kids if you / they want a really [TS]

  good portable gaming experience because [TS]

  console games that's kind of like [TS]

  desktop computers that's like--that's [TS]

  the high end of the market you're gonna [TS]

  have the the real enthusiasts going to [TS]

  like the big TV kind of consoles that's [TS]

  fine but i think almost everyone else [TS]

  just wants a handheld thing and I think [TS]

  tablets have proven that it you know it [TS]

  3d obviously you know the as far as [TS]

  another great success that line has had [TS]

  also helps to prove this but basically [TS]

  people want like you know handheld [TS]

  gaming now for the most part most people [TS]

  want that but it's really hard to get [TS]

  good quality games on the on the app [TS]

  store around on a play store and [TS]

  whatever amazon's garbage store is named [TS]

  and so the way console market ourselves [TS]

  like the way intended would be set up [TS]

  for this you could actually have good [TS]

  games because you can actually charge [TS]

  like 40 50 bucks for them and it [TS]

  wouldn't be a market where when you [TS]

  release a game two weeks later a billion [TS]

  people have cloned your game and it's [TS]

  all and still enjoy yourselves for free [TS]

  because it doesn't even have console [TS]

  licensing was like people can't even do [TS]

  things that quickly and you can't get to [TS]

  market that quickly and like so the way [TS]

  consoles are setup is more amiable i [TS]

  guess or more facilitating of higher [TS]

  quality games and they don't have to [TS]

  rely on like gambling mechanics they [TS]

  don't have to rely on tricks in [TS]

  psychology to get you to pay for an app [TS]

  purchases over and over again like it [TS]

  isn't that kind of game it's a much [TS]

  higher quality expect experience and so [TS]

  if people want good games in handheld [TS]

  systems nintendo i think has a pretty [TS]

  good shot with this and ultimately i [TS]

  think people do want that and i think [TS]

  the tablet world and the mobile world [TS]

  are have largely failed that in recent [TS]

  years as the economics have gotten so [TS]

  brutal that everyone is forced to make [TS]

  really crappy games for the most part i [TS]

  don't i don't really see how this could [TS]

  ever really work and the reason is is [TS]

  that I so we talked a lot if not the [TS]

  three of us than our industry talks a [TS]

  lot about how the pc as we think of it [TS]

  is going away not just a windows machine [TS]

  you know anything any sort of computer [TS]

  that sits on a desktop is going away the [TS]

  three of us don't want that to happen [TS]

  and it probably won't ever truly happen [TS]

  but for an average consumer the desktop [TS]

  is going away in even a laptop mean [TS]

  aaron has a macbook air that yes has had [TS]

  water spilled on it but he's running [TS]

  right now and she barely uses it [TS]

  compared to her phone and that's just [TS]

  one data point but i think that's one of [TS]

  many that are similar and if we treat [TS]

  the continent that traditional consoles [TS]

  of like the Playstations and the xboxes [TS]

  of the world as you know that that the [TS]

  pcs or perhaps even like the pc the pc [TS]

  of gaming you know like you mention [TS]

  markets at the same thing all the [TS]

  high-end of gaming's consoles on the pc [TS]

  gamers rolling their eyes when they [TS]

  continue [TS]

  that's a fair point that's very well [TS]

  yeah after I pc LOL that no I might need [TS]

  to go there but let let's just take that [TS]

  as an aside it because it's going to [TS]

  ruin my whole point here the point of [TS]

  driving it is you know that the super [TS]

  hardcore will perhaps have a pc game [TS]

  that the reasonably hardcore will have [TS]

  like an Xbox or Playstation everyone [TS]

  else will probably have their phones and [TS]

  their tablets probably their phones [TS]

  I don't feel like I [TS]

  understand that yes this is unique and [TS]

  it's a different spot than either a [TS]

  phone or a pc or a traditional console [TS]

  but there's no freaking way that this is [TS]

  going to work i mean how well as the [TS]

  surface book really working [TS]

  I don't think it's working that well I [TS]

  feel like this which is like the surface [TS]

  book or that the surface in general of [TS]

  the video gaming industry and and i will [TS]

  give you guys a chance refute that but [TS]

  another thing I wanted to ask practice [TS]

  John more than anyone or maybe Marco [TS]

  since this used to be your bag [TS]

  what how do we feel Sega has done since [TS]

  they abandoned hardware in his indoor [TS]

  now doing almost always the cautionary [TS]

  tale that everyone says no nintendo [TS]

  don't do that because just look at sega [TS]

  but I don't you know say you did not [TS]

  have the kind of IP and talent that [TS]

  nintendo has saying I had one good [TS]

  successful system that was well-timed [TS]

  and while playing the market it was the [TS]

  genesis yeah every other sago hardware [TS]

  release had some kind of massive law [TS]

  whether it was bad market timing a weird [TS]

  architecture too much complexity too [TS]

  expensive like every literally every [TS]

  other sega platform they all yes even [TS]

  your beloved dreamcast dream has people [TS]

  like that was bad market timing like it [TS]

  was it was it everything that say every [TS]

  piece of hardware so you never released [TS]

  was about the time or said some other [TS]

  major flaw that held back from [TS]

  succeeding except the Genesis that was [TS]

  the only time that ever worked so I [TS]

  really consider I don't consider setting [TS]

  a great example because they like it [TS]

  it's almost like they just kind of [TS]

  lucked out with the Genesis and that [TS]

  kind of fuel than the rest of the way [TS]

  but everything else that it was like ham [TS]

  fisted and wrong [TS]

  icic which one of these like if if you [TS]

  ditch hardware [TS]

  what makes you think you're not gonna [TS]

  end up like the next sega great [TS]

  regardless about their hardware was [TS]

  eventually they stop making it because [TS]

  like basically consolidation and they [TS]

  were the weakest player and you know so [TS]

  on and so forth when they became [TS]

  software only because they can make your [TS]

  games you know dreamcast had really good [TS]

  games which is one of the reasons people [TS]

  always say that it was a good counsel [TS]

  even though it totally wasn't [TS]

  controllers gross but that they've made [TS]

  lots of good games and even you know for [TS]

  super monkey ball even for Nintendo's [TS]

  content like it's not like they they [TS]

  lost the ability to make good software [TS]

  is just that they they're pale shadow [TS]

  what they want when they were one of the [TS]

  platforms it was like you're in there [TS]

  you're in the race your you know even if [TS]

  you're in third place whatever you're [TS]

  you're in the mix right and when you're [TS]

  just a software maker you live and die [TS]

  based on your software things and it [TS]

  becomes more like hit driven business [TS]

  and they just didn't have the solid sort [TS]

  of it's like you know it's like the star [TS]

  wars franchise like it would it takes [TS]

  you know it would take a lot to me that [TS]

  you can make three just hypothetically [TS]

  three execrable movies and still the [TS]

  star wars brand is very strong and is [TS]

  worth a lot of money right [TS]

  Sega and Nintendo has as Mario Zelda has [TS]

  metro has so many franchises so many [TS]

  franchises that have enough great games [TS]

  and enough goodwill and enough [TS]

  consistency in the games even those [TS]

  think every once in a while like other [TS]

  and metroid which really was no source [TS]

  to was a teenager anyway so many [TS]

  franchises to lean on that if they just [TS]

  cranked on those as a software-only [TS]

  vendor they could last for a long time [TS]

  just making the next good 3d marry again [TS]

  the next cell the game the next metroid [TS]

  game the next pokemon game the next [TS]

  smash brothers game like they have just [TS]

  so much intellectual property where sega [TS]

  well they try to make them and Sonic [TS]

  game for a long long time and just their [TS]

  average went way down and there are [TS]

  other things you know you got making [TS]

  garbage that wasn't really second i know [TS]

  you got to get Shenmue you got you know [TS]

  all the the virtuous here you are you [TS]

  all they have lots of franchises do but [TS]

  none of the mathletes sonic spinball [TS]

  John sonic spinball well they may [TS]

  metroid pinball to you know so there's [TS]

  you know there's a lot of free anyway I [TS]

  feel like Nintendo has a stronger stable [TS]

  and they have more consistency making [TS]

  those games now giving up hardware is a [TS]

  big deal because that means you're never [TS]

  going to have the ability to do a [TS]

  hardware software synergy on the level [TS]

  of the wii or and we sports or nintendo [TS]

  64 and Mary 64 like all those things [TS]

  that you can do or i would argue the [TS]

  awesome gamecube controller and all the [TS]

  games that they work with that like yeah [TS]

  you know you won't be able to do that if [TS]

  you're not a hardware maker so it's a [TS]

  big sacrifice but I think intend the [TS]

  reason intended won't be another sega is [TS]

  they're better at making games and they [TS]

  have more bankable properties that even [TS]

  if they mess up a few of them the [TS]

  property in the same way that star wars [TS]

  is still bankable a bunch of stinking [TS]

  Mary ok [TS]

  games are not going to make it so that [TS]

  you know that a nintendo loses the [TS]

  ability to make that and be they're not [TS]

  gonna sell so poorly that people will [TS]

  stop by Mary games because there have [TS]

  been sticker Mary games like are ones [TS]

  that people like less than 11 same thing [TS]

  with metro and all the other franchises [TS]

  and arguably even Zelda not stinker but [TS]

  like less less beloved let's say and yet [TS]

  still people clamor for the next one [TS]

  because the average is high enough [TS]

  yeah now that the thing that Marcos [TS]

  going with the switch in the app store [TS]

  was thinking when you're talking about [TS]

  that is that console games are more [TS]

  apple like in the old and been in all [TS]

  senses the world then the app store [TS]

  because the app store like you said is [TS]

  filled with crap and junk and scams and [TS]

  figure lockdown in 40 bucks and thank [TS]

  you and things that are you know things [TS]

  that are not like this they're not nice [TS]

  like normally the whole thing was apples [TS]

  like you pay more money for a nicer [TS]

  experience and the app store is the [TS]

  opposite of that you pay less money for [TS]

  worse experience on consoles games are [TS]

  like you pay more money [TS]

  sixty bucks for a nicer experience it's [TS]

  not vested with ads and in-app purchases [TS]

  and you know I mean that's creeping into [TS]

  the console world with downloadable [TS]

  content as they call it and micro [TS]

  transactions and stuff like that but in [TS]

  general if you have to compare them [TS]

  which one of these is more like the [TS]

  Apple experience it's the one where you [TS]

  pay more for you said the proprietary [TS]

  that you know thing but that you get a [TS]

  nicer experience but the switch is the [TS]

  problem the switch has in terms of [TS]

  trying to tread that middle ground [TS]

  first of all you know this is totally [TS]

  not finished hardware switch is almost [TS]

  certain to be the atari lynx affordable [TS]

  gaming systems into that battery cannot [TS]

  last a long time as compared to with [TS]

  3des because come on that's a big screen [TS]

  is way more powerful power-hungry [TS]

  processor in there [TS]

  this thing is not going to last as long [TS]

  as a I mean I don't know how long the [TS]

  3ds last but like there it looks like [TS]

  it's basically like a souped-up tablet [TS]

  right so if you look at like what can a [TS]

  what can an ipad get if especially if [TS]

  you made a little bit thicker it is [TS]

  thicker but it's playing games [TS]

  constantly yeah but I i think that it [TS]

  wouldn't surprise me a battery life was [TS]

  better than you expect [TS]

  well anyway it's got a better life from [TS]

  butBut the more serious thing is the [TS]

  switch is like if you're looking for [TS]

  something in between the two [TS]

  this is not the problem the switches the [TS]

  advantage of this which people like me [TS]

  the games that are available in the [TS]

  switch are for the most part going to be [TS]

  full-fledged console games the only [TS]

  difference being is that you can't do [TS]

  anything that couldn't be running last [TS]

  generation harbor so that they keep [TS]

  showing Zelda on the switch zelda is not [TS]

  a casual gamer game it is a big [TS]

  sprawling complicated game that probably [TS]

  it would help if you have played other [TS]

  zelda games in the past the people who [TS]

  are waiting for the game the millions of [TS]

  people are going to pay for it know what [TS]

  they're getting and what they're getting [TS]

  is more complicated than almost any iOS [TS]

  game ever been made and how there is a [TS]

  little closer iOS but in general tablet [TS]

  games do not have the wherewithal or [TS]

  budgets or inclination to be that [TS]

  complicated if only because you can't [TS]

  sell them for 60 bucks right almost [TS]

  every game on the switch even be simpler [TS]

  ones are more complicated because they [TS]

  can be like they're more like console [TS]

  games that they are like phone or tablet [TS]

  games you've got this thing that looks [TS]

  like you're saying oh this is this is a [TS]

  better version of tablet gaming but i [TS]

  think they will be very few games that [TS]

  are like you're not going to see cut the [TS]

  rope for the switch for 60 bucks maybe [TS]

  you'll see cut the rope for the switch [TS]

  like literally cut the rope for the [TS]

  switch from their little downloadable [TS]

  store which by the way intended was [TS]

  terrible at selling things [TS]

  electronically through the downloadable [TS]

  stores maybe you'll see that but i don't [TS]

  think that that type of thing is going [TS]

  to support this this thing is going to [TS]

  play essentially console games and one [TS]

  of its selling points hey quote-unquote [TS]

  full-fledged console games on the go and [TS]

  that is totally aimed at the market of [TS]

  people who might buy a console but you [TS]

  know this will be cheaper than them [TS]

  right and you know but are are intrigued [TS]

  by this and I don't think it's going to [TS]

  pull people from the tablet and phone [TS]

  game well because they just want dessert [TS]

  golfing or cut the rope or angry birds [TS]

  or something that is way simpler or [TS]

  flappy bird for Cronulla something is [TS]

  way simpler then like if someone gets [TS]

  intense which things like you know the [TS]

  thing that and they see like Zelda [TS]

  advertising I get zelda they're going to [TS]

  be in so far over their head they're [TS]

  gonna be like whoa whoa whoa i just i [TS]

  don't understand even how to make [TS]

  forward progress in this game and how [TS]

  it's just that is too much fun that is [TS]

  because that is going to be that that's [TS]

  the experience which is providing and [TS]

  that's its appeal to all the customers [TS]

  so I still think they're they're [TS]

  shopping amongst the people who been [TS]

  maybe already have an xbox and maybe you [TS]

  already have a playstation 4 but you're [TS]

  looking for a second console nintendo [TS]

  nintendo has been staking out the second [TS]

  console market for three generations now [TS]

  okay you got your real console but would [TS]

  you like something fun and quirky and [TS]

  has the ability to play the first party [TS]

  properties that you come to know and [TS]

  love and in general [TS]

  America is just as fun as you imagined [TS]

  it has always been and if you're into [TS]

  cells that we have one of those two and [TS]

  mario games are are you know the the [TS]

  plano Mary platformers are fun like [TS]

  that's what they think they're staking [TS]

  out with this and the new appeal is [TS]

  you've got one console but you can't [TS]

  pick that one up and bring it with you [TS]

  so if your console gamer by this one and [TS]

  I you can play console games on the go [TS]

  and by the way to get a bunch of unique [TS]

  properties have a hard time seeing them [TS]

  pulling people from the app store even [TS]

  though as Marco said the experience is [TS]

  so much better than the appstore games [TS]

  was just filled with scams and traps [TS]

  in-app purchases and everything I don't [TS]

  see this is going to change in tendo's [TS]

  fate and he's wasted perform and and I [TS]

  mean the most of the playstation vita [TS]

  whatever that portable one was that I've [TS]

  seen like three of them in my life they [TS]

  made like a phone I if memory serves [TS]

  that have like a quasi playstation [TS]

  branding that that played like these [TS]

  video games i just i don't know like I [TS]

  admire it I definitely think it's clever [TS]

  and I think it's very nintendo and I [TS]

  admire it but I don't see how this is [TS]

  going to be a blockbuster because it [TS]

  serves a non-existent market it's not [TS]

  going to serve the hardcore gamers it's [TS]

  not going to serve the people who have a [TS]

  pretty darn fine video gaming platform [TS]

  in their pocket today [TS]

  yeah the idea don't think it's that iOS [TS]

  device is that like the games are the [TS]

  games are creditor and filled with [TS]

  in-app purchases and they're not as [TS]

  sophisticated like that one of the [TS]

  things you can do with this type of [TS]

  thing that bring people over who liked [TS]

  save someone who grew up playing phone [TS]

  games and never really considered [TS]

  themselves a gamer but by this thing on [TS]

  a locker because it's popular has some [TS]

  traction in the market and finds that [TS]

  they had never been presented with the [TS]

  more sophisticated game like Zelda or [TS]

  full-fledged Mario and it turns out they [TS]

  actually kinda like the type of game [TS]

  this is a smooth slope into it because [TS]

  it will be cheaper than a playstation 4 [TS]

  and xbox one especially the pro [TS]

  versions right and it does have a [TS]

  novelty factor and they can carry it [TS]

  around with them and everything so [TS]

  there's some hope that you can get new [TS]

  people on board with this like that [TS]

  being up being are being a second [TS]

  console you've got one of the other [TS]

  consoles this one is cheaper and [TS]

  interesting in a way that those aren't [TS]

  and you kind of like Nintendo games [TS]

  anyway because you remember playing them [TS]

  on your SNES or whatever the hell and [TS]

  you just decided to get it like you [TS]

  mentioned it's not genuine Tendo state [TS]

  well through the wii u and this thing [TS]

  intendo has ups and downs we is up and [TS]

  we do we use down but it's not going out [TS]

  of business they have a lot of money [TS]

  they've been on the upswing since even [TS]

  mentioning that they're going to feel [TS]

  some of their properties on iOS because [TS]

  people assume they're gonna sell a [TS]

  million copies and they probably well [TS]

  just based on the strength of the IP but [TS]

  the strength of that IP the reason [TS]

  they're gonna sell a million copies of [TS]

  Mary run or whatever that's called for [TS]

  iOS is because people love and [TS]

  recognized Mario right and people love [TS]

  recognize Mario pc was a star of a [TS]

  long-running series of games all which [TS]

  were really really good and fun and that [TS]

  means they need to sustain that you have [TS]

  to continue to make really really good [TS]

  fun things with those properties [TS]

  otherwise they stop being valuable and [TS]

  the switch is the continuation of that [TS]

  doesn't mean that it's going to reverse [TS]

  Nintendo's fortunes like what if they [TS]

  just continue along the same as they [TS]

  have been for the entire life of the wii [TS]

  u there's been upstairs been downs [TS]

  profits been up profits been down the [TS]

  company's not going out of business but [TS]

  it's also not growing like gangbusters [TS]

  is that the end of the world it is that [TS]

  enough to sustain the company it is [TS]

  probably because the ups and downs even [TS]

  out over the long haul and you continued [TS]

  being a nintendo that you are it's just [TS]

  that nobody likes that no one wants to [TS]

  see Nintendo limp along its subsistence [TS]

  levels they want to see it occasionally [TS]

  be more successful than that they want [TS]

  to see where is the next week coming [TS]

  from where is the next platform or game [TS]

  that you know and and arguably pokemon [TS]

  go was a glimpse of them climbing back [TS]

  up but i don't think the switch is going [TS]

  to be a similar type of hit I mean maybe [TS]

  I'm wrong we'll see but if it just [TS]

  merely sustains them like case it's like [TS]

  I don't see that this the intense which [TS]

  changing their fortunes if the fortunes [TS]

  remained the same then they're basically [TS]

  still ok and we get to speed up we will [TS]

  hit the [TS]

  it out generation placing really fun [TS]

  games and see if they have a different [TS]

  idea the next time and that's one of the [TS]

  great things about Nintendo people are [TS]

  excited about the playstation five and [TS]

  Xbox whatever the hell they're go stupid [TS]

  name they're gonna give to it that's [TS]

  going to be the generation after this [TS]

  assuming they don't continue to just [TS]

  read this generation backward compatible [TS]

  more powerful upgrades but within Tendo [TS]

  you never know what the hell pocket like [TS]

  they are there more of a wild-card the [TS]

  wii and the wii u and the switch our way [TS]

  weirder than the xbox xbox 360 xbox one [TS]

  ps4 ps3 ps4 both name and and inform and [TS]

  the games that are available on it [TS]

  nintendo is obviously the most [TS]

  interesting player in this field and so [TS]

  I would never want to see them go away [TS]

  and if it what it takes is you know this [TS]

  is another failed experiment but [TS]

  nevertheless the company says afloat [TS]

  based on you know a partnership with [TS]

  universal studios and so on billion iOS [TS]

  people a fairly creddie infinite runner [TS]

  starring a your favorite plumber [TS]

  I'm fine with that you know that's the [TS]

  thing though you said that people [TS]

  recognize Mary oh they don't recognize [TS]

  Mario but not your ridiculous [TS]

  pronunciation thereof upset show back up [TS]

  this she's the only one [TS]

  all right well here's to the crazy ones [TS]

  intend oh and thanks for the responses [TS]

  this week zero backblaze and mail route [TS]

  and we'll see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in [TS]

  because it was accidental it was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

  Johnson any research Marco in kc [TS]

  woodland hills [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental and you can find the show [TS]

  know today TV and if your twitter follow [TS]

  them [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment rc2 recuse it [TS]

  so breaking news [TS]

  actually there's two pieces of breaking [TS]

  news one apparently pebbles been bought [TS]

  by fit which is interesting i guess i [TS]

  bought / scraped off the sidewalk [TS]

  yeah evidence but that's our dreams [TS]

  acqui-hire like they even said in the [TS]

  tweet that the pebble brand will not [TS]

  continue so the Sun setting it [TS]

  yeah I think it has long since fallen [TS]

  off the earth and is well below the [TS]

  horizon now [TS]

  fair enough but other breaking news that [TS]

  happened shortly before we started [TS]

  recording so shortly before that I [TS]

  didn't get a chance to take a look at it [TS]

  Marco has started blogging now that's [TS]

  not what I know they're not a blog I'm [TS]

  kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding bags are [TS]

  some bugs [TS]

  oh my goodness but you did post [TS]

  something to youtube I posted something [TS]

  to youtube that's right my youtube [TS]

  account has existed for something like [TS]

  six years or something or longer even [TS]

  and i've posted something like six [TS]

  videos to it that none of which were [TS]

  anything substantial really got more [TS]

  videos and that my channel probably a [TS]

  yeah so I i decided to do a video review [TS]

  of the new macbook pro as kind of my [TS]

  testing the waters of being a YouTube [TS]

  person there are a number of reasons for [TS]

  this YouTube is a massive place where [TS]

  everyone lives [TS]

  it is kind of unwise business to ignore [TS]

  such a massive place i can say anything [TS]

  about facebook and i don't have a [TS]

  presence there either and i can say the [TS]

  same thing about snapchat and I don't [TS]

  have a presence there either but i think [TS]

  i had to get into one of these things [TS]

  like you can't ignore all of them keep [TS]

  you have to be up to have a presence and [TS]

  something if you don't have to you don't [TS]

  you all just pick at least one and it [TS]

  was easier for me to turn my office into [TS]

  a video studio then to log into Facebook [TS]

  or figure out what snapchat is so that's [TS]

  the one I chose the reason so i decided [TS]

  to start now in particular because i [TS]

  wanted to review the new macbook pro and [TS]

  i had had more thought you had briefly [TS]

  about last week by I had more thoughts [TS]

  about it then would [TS]

  fit or make sense in this podcast and [TS]

  it's kind of like there are certain [TS]

  things that I wanted to actually show in [TS]

  video or picture form there certainly [TS]

  were things that I want to actually [TS]

  write in advance so i wouldn't mess them [TS]

  up and express myself properly and i [TS]

  want to explain myself and there were [TS]

  certain like it would have felt weird to [TS]

  just monologue here for 15-20 minutes [TS]

  like about even though i do that [TS]

  sometimes accidentally but I try not to [TS]

  do that here because that's not really [TS]

  what a podcast is and that that's kind [TS]

  of not really our format here so it [TS]

  would kind of be weird if I was sitting [TS]

  here just doing all the talking with [TS]

  this big script i was reading for you [TS]

  know 20 minutes about the macbook pro [TS]

  basically i had some more things to say [TS]

  about I wanted to see them somewhere [TS]

  else ate it made sense to have some kind [TS]

  of visual components of my choices were [TS]

  either i could make a video or I could [TS]

  make a blog post and I don't feel great [TS]

  about the future of blog posts right now [TS]

  and YouTube is the kind of thing that I [TS]

  wanted to get into for quite some time [TS]

  all so much of my success in in business [TS]

  depends on a steady trickle in of new [TS]

  audience growth and i feel like i have i [TS]

  have done well with blogging in the past [TS]

  but not really so much currently I've [TS]

  done well with podcasting and done well [TS]

  with like app things but I wasn't [TS]

  expanding anywhere i wasn't getting new [TS]

  people in from anywhere I really and a [TS]

  lot of things I was doing like blogging [TS]

  we're kinda like contracting and [TS]

  podcasting is growing very very slowly [TS]

  and they feel like it will help all of [TS]

  my other things if I have someplace [TS]

  where I can reach a new audience where i [TS]

  can get new people in to the you know [TS]

  Marco folio or whatever God please kill [TS]

  me you're going to hurry up and get [TS]

  million subscribers so we can release [TS]

  our podcast on youtube with the bunch of [TS]

  stupid images in front of it and get [TS]

  millions of views so hurry up and build [TS]

  that channel i have i have thought about [TS]

  ways to do that actually I but it's [TS]

  probably gonna have anytime soon but i [TS]

  have actually thought about like doing [TS]

  ATP youtube channel because it's not and [TS]

  it's some work but it's not like a [TS]

  massive amount of work [TS]

  and we know that but it's pointless work [TS]

  until you develop your YouTube audience [TS]

  of a million people so get on that yeah [TS]

  so basically I i wanted to have some [TS]

  participation in this massive thing that [TS]

  I'd I know very little about so far like [TS]

  I feel like because of the businesses [TS]

  i'm in its almost irresponsible not to [TS]

  know about it you know and and it is you [TS]

  again like I your facebook ignore a lot [TS]

  of things that I shouldn't ignore you [TS]

  should ignore facebook [TS]

  oh yeah probably and I also i think also [TS]

  liked this also builds on skills i [TS]

  already have I already had almost [TS]

  everything almost all the equipment [TS]

  required to make videos i bought a [TS]

  little bit but you don't have you would [TS]

  love to buy exactly true got a couple [TS]

  like LED lights for like 40 bucks and [TS]

  like just a little battery powered ones [TS]

  like so i got like these two lights and [TS]

  then that was basically all i needed [TS]

  like already had everything else and you [TS]

  already know some things about shooting [TS]

  video not much but I know some things [TS]

  about it i know a decent amount more a [TS]

  photography and a lot of overlap and [TS]

  know about sound recording and that's [TS]

  part of video and so like I already had [TS]

  a lot of the skills and toolset [TS]

  necessary and and kind of get the [TS]

  vocabulary necessary to to do this [TS]

  it was way easier to do this then it [TS]

  would have been to figure out facebook [TS]

  or and/or to spend any time on there and [TS]

  just want to escape but anyway I really [TS]

  like facebook so i decided to do this [TS]

  and I think you know I don't know how [TS]

  much I'm going to do it but I think if [TS]

  I'm going to invest my time creating [TS]

  reviews of products i think YouTube is [TS]

  the better place for that now that my [TS]

  blog it's not necessarily less work is [TS]

  actually somewhat similar youtube I [TS]

  actually you know it's less in certain [TS]

  ways like you can you can kind of rift [TS]

  somewhat on the on the script part of it [TS]

  and so you can save some time of the [TS]

  writing not a lot but some and shooting [TS]

  video you can kind of show a few quick [TS]

  things like what the product in your [TS]

  hand that's faster than shooting a whole [TS]

  bunch of different like perfect photos [TS]

  and editing the photos afterward to be [TS]

  perfect and getting all the dust specks [TS]

  off the obvious and everything like [TS]

  there are some things that are faster [TS]

  than the doable [TS]

  those overalls gonna be a similar work [TS]

  though I think and they might even be [TS]

  taking longer who knows but ultimately i [TS]

  think it is it is the best move for my [TS]

  career right now to expand into youtube [TS]

  and also for the type for the format of [TS]

  things i do I realize like I don't even [TS]

  read people's along blog articles [TS]

  anymore about almost anything if I'm [TS]

  looking if I'm looking for product [TS]

  reviews i hardly ever read along for [TS]

  review i almost always just look for [TS]

  look at youtube for a video quickly [TS]

  review if if there's if there's a big [TS]

  review for like some new product like on [TS]

  the verge of something i will end as a [TS]

  video at the top i will almost always [TS]

  just watch the video and like maybe skip [TS]

  the article at best friends of the topic [TS]

  bail because you still read a big giant [TS]

  thing I'm dpreview about the new camera [TS]

  right [TS]

  yes but i buy a new camera like every [TS]

  eight years so that's sent understand it [TS]

  really depends on the topic if you only [TS]

  have a casual interest you want the [TS]

  video but if you really want to know if [TS]

  you're if you want to find out if the 5d [TS]

  mark for like is it worth buying [TS]

  you're going to read the whole dpreview [TS]

  thing and seven other giant reviews [TS]

  about it to try not his this you know is [TS]

  it worth buying in a way that the mark 3 [TS]

  wasn't or whatever [TS]

  yeah so anyway for the most part though [TS]

  i think i and i think the numbers prove [TS]

  many other people choose to get a lot of [TS]

  information now in video rather than [TS]

  reading blog posts and there's lots of [TS]

  things about this the better i that [TS]

  obvious downsides to me you know [TS]

  videos are less capable they are locked [TS]

  this proprietary platform for the most [TS]

  part I mean yes you can put a video [TS]

  wherever you want but nobody will see if [TS]

  it is on youtube or facebook but anyway [TS]

  I'm sure if I good on facebook or just [TS]

  reboot my videos so it won't even matter [TS]

  all I will automatically be on facebook [TS]

  at you know again I don't I don't have [TS]

  like incredibly concrete plans yet i'm [TS]

  going to basically feel around do some [TS]

  experimentation see what I want to be [TS]

  doing here [TS]

  so far it's gone surprisingly well this [TS]

  video took a few days worth of [TS]

  notetaking about what I wanted to say a [TS]

  day of figuring out the handful of [TS]

  things i had to buy to make this happen [TS]

  well and then I shot edited and posted [TS]

  that video entirely today so AI feel [TS]

  like if i get good enough [TS]

  it is certainly possible obviously [TS]

  everyone who's ever produced video knows [TS]

  it is very possible for video production [TS]

  to basically eat any amount of time and [TS]

  money that is given it you can go [TS]

  completely off the deep end and have [TS]

  incredible production values and people [TS]

  do and that's great i know that as as a [TS]

  mostly one person team here i'm not [TS]

  going to have the time or resources or [TS]

  patience to do that that's the second [TS]

  that tends to require a lot more people [TS]

  in time than what I can give to this [TS]

  project so instead [TS]

  my goal is going to basically try to be [TS]

  like finding the right balance of like [TS]

  what I should do and what I don't really [TS]

  have to do to make decent videos about [TS]

  certain things sometimes the people will [TS]

  enjoy and I don't even care that much [TS]

  about money about the videos yet into [TS]

  more about audience building and I don't [TS]

  really intend probably ever to run [TS]

  YouTube's terrible ads you know i might [TS]

  eventually do like at the end with a [TS]

  sponsored by however i do that do [TS]

  something that eventually but in the [TS]

  early stages at least my primary goal [TS]

  here is reaching new people and so we'll [TS]

  see how that goes all about your brand [TS]

  can I tell you everything you did wrong [TS]

  now yeah please do i do a lot sit and [TS]

  look at some of the things I did wrong i [TS]

  know i did wrong but it was like well I [TS]

  can fix this but require entire reshoot [TS]

  this whole segment which require [TS]

  resetting up all this stuff it's like I [TS]

  just wanna get this done because again [TS]

  like I don't want this to be something [TS]

  that blows a huge hole in my schedule [TS]

  every time I want to send my macbook pro [TS]

  before you go through the list of [TS]

  grievances do you want to Marco quickly [TS]

  run through the equipment both hardware [TS]

  and software that you use to do this [TS]

  because you know you're going to get [TS]

  asked you might as well just quickly [TS]

  listed if you can [TS]

  ok sure the camera music doesn't matter [TS]

  and software music is final cut pro x [TS]

  barely matters and i was using some [TS]

  cheapo a newer newer newer however that [TS]

  brings pronounced using their cheapo LED [TS]

  light boxes and yeah it's fine it's fine [TS]

  what and what Mike for the my I'm that [TS]

  my stand-up is in flux I i used the road [TS]

  wireless lavalier mic that it's one of [TS]

  the pair that i that i bought 24 nice [TS]

  not going to starbucks to top four [TS]

  because they're discreet that it was [TS]

  it's not that I didn't sound very good [TS]

  I did try i I have a little sennheiser [TS]

  shotgun mic that I tried mountain top of [TS]

  the camera and using that instead but [TS]

  with microphones generally being close [TS]

  to your mouth is way way more important [TS]

  than having like a really good [TS]

  microphone that's five feet away [TS]

  you know i get if you can get any [TS]

  microphone up to your mouth that is [TS]

  generally better idea then our than a [TS]

  better mic that's far and so the the [TS]

  nicer shotgun mic matter on the camera [TS]

  still sounded like garbage and the [TS]

  lavalier sentence substantially better I [TS]

  it didn't sound good but i think it [TS]

  might sound good enough [TS]

  so yeah we'll see in the future I [TS]

  definitely intend to do a little bit [TS]

  more of the b-roll shots i had very [TS]

  little be rolled because actually I had [TS]

  a bit of a hardware failure on the [TS]

  macbook it halfway through my b-roll [TS]

  shooting which I had to have a look at [TS]

  that tomorrow but yeah so there's lots [TS]

  of things I would do differently it but [TS]

  I you didn't want to spend the time to [TS]

  like have a whole other day or half day [TS]

  of reshoots and and different things so [TS]

  John listen I'll list all the problems [TS]

  alright so i keep in mind that i have [TS]

  made 0 youtube videos of this kind of [TS]

  all my youtube videos or destiny videos [TS]

  which are awesome but not the same thing [TS]

  so this is coming entirely from a [TS]

  position of someone who doesn't actually [TS]

  know what it takes to make one of these [TS]

  things but i have watched a fair number [TS]

  of these videos and just based on [TS]

  watching them [TS]

  this is my advice and you should totally [TS]

  talk to all your YouTube her friends to [TS]

  get the real advice but this is the [TS]

  casual stuff already mentioned if you're [TS]

  going to do a video review of this kind [TS]

  you need to do the things you can only [TS]

  do in a video review which is pretty [TS]

  much every time you're talking about [TS]

  anything [TS]

  show it to me every single time not that [TS]

  I don't want to look at your face but [TS]

  and by the way that the other thing [TS]

  you've done wrong be much younger and [TS]

  much more attractive can you work on [TS]

  that can't there's nothing to do about [TS]

  unfortunately but seriously that is like [TS]

  a big big factor so there's any way you [TS]

  could aged backwards and become more [TS]

  attractive that [TS]

  awesome anyway a show like now that I [TS]

  don't want to see you talking but if [TS]

  you're talking about anything you have [TS]

  to show like that's what you can do in [TS]

  video if you watch another video like [TS]

  watching a mkbhd or any other thing [TS]

  ninety percent of the time you're [TS]

  hearing the person's voice but not [TS]

  seeing them speak because there would [TS]

  your hearing them talk while their hands [TS]

  manipulate the thing while they zoom in [TS]

  so it's a pain because you got all these [TS]

  stupid setups and have all the different [TS]

  angles and get the figure out a way to [TS]

  get the camera on it and without [TS]

  breaking your track bed and like and get [TS]

  all the shots but that's what it is [TS]

  that's what it's all about and also [TS]

  lengthwise [TS]

  I know you did some script in there but [TS]

  like I think you could cut this thing in [TS]

  half by saying what you wanted to say in [TS]

  one concise way in like one or two [TS]

  sentences without you it felt more like [TS]

  a podcast where you were talking around [TS]

  the thing because you know you're being [TS]

  extemporaneous and just coming out like [TS]

  condensed you could have got all that [TS]

  same info out and half the amount of [TS]

  time with way more close-up shots and [TS]

  way less of you sitting in front of you [TS]

  sleeping dog don't do your videos with [TS]

  the window behind your back lighting is [TS]

  a challenging situation and now you want [TS]

  to show off that you have a cool camera [TS]

  but it seems like a bad deal don't wear [TS]

  entirely black because you disappear [TS]

  into a giant black hole like I know [TS]

  that's your outfit but you gotta come up [TS]

  with something that reads well it just [TS]

  like you don't don't wear stripes and [TS]

  polka dots and other things that you get [TS]

  like the the crazy pattern think it does [TS]

  hide the mic well though [TS]

  yeah wake the dog up occasionally that's [TS]

  not you but if you sleep but if he [TS]

  sleeps the whole time it's boring so [TS]

  it's fun to see him running around doing [TS]

  stuff and yeah that's basically it like [TS]

  every time you were there trying to show [TS]

  me something on a laptop that you were [TS]

  holding in your hand 70 from the cameras [TS]

  i can not working so like those those [TS]

  are the main points way more close-up [TS]

  shots of everything fewer shots of you [TS]

  talking [TS]

  yeah different outfits and condensed [TS]

  definitely could have been happening i [TS]

  think you could do the same video over [TS]

  again [TS]

  cut it cut length in half and and put [TS]

  like five times as much close-up shots [TS]

  of products in it and that's that's what [TS]

  you're going for [TS]

  I completely agree that like it that's [TS]

  all very good feedback thank you and i [TS]

  totally agree that I could like as i was [TS]

  editing I'm like you know should i spend [TS]

  another like hour to record this whole [TS]

  thing and make [TS]

  tighter and and redo all the segments [TS]

  that doesn't quite do exactly right and [TS]

  again it's a matter of I what I have to [TS]

  find is the balance between amount of [TS]

  time and putting these things versus you [TS]

  know what what what is it worth doing [TS]

  because your fault you're falling into [TS]

  my trap be where you want to get every [TS]

  single point out that's what podcaster [TS]

  for or that's what like a hundred-page [TS]

  most entries before I know you have all [TS]

  these points like I know they're there [TS]

  but when I watch a video review with the [TS]

  sense i get it is very often you've said [TS]

  the simplest and highest level thing [TS]

  that you can say about this without [TS]

  going into any detail and you have to do [TS]

  that to get out of the video in a [TS]

  reasonable amount of time right [TS]

  like they'll have one sentence about the [TS]

  fact that there are no parts except for [TS]

  a thunderbolt on one sentence you're [TS]

  like really you're gonna have one [TS]

  sentence on this major thing I need to [TS]

  talk for ten minutes about just that did [TS]

  it doesn't have any other kinds of parts [TS]

  on it you don't you can't do that you [TS]

  don't have time like that's the format [TS]

  again you can make your own former you [TS]

  don't have to do it like everybody else [TS]

  does but when I saw that video it seems [TS]

  like you're going for a verge style or [TS]

  mkbhd style or any other style if you're [TS]

  going for that type of thing and you [TS]

  want to be small and punchy you don't [TS]

  get to say a lot about the fact that [TS]

  there are only four Thunderbolt ports [TS]

  and there's no magsafe and and one of [TS]

  your things going to be taken by a power [TS]

  and all the little nuance point you have [TS]

  to make you can just can't make them [TS]

  because there's no time you've got to [TS]

  have one sentence that you should [TS]

  probably right beforehand that you're [TS]

  going to read while showing close-up [TS]

  footage of the port's that was shot [TS]

  separately and that's that's that that's [TS]

  that format if you want to go with the [TS]

  moral the ramli one or like the the more [TS]

  complicated in depth one you can do that [TS]

  too but then the only videos that have [TS]

  been successful in that are way more [TS]

  structured we're like yeah they are 15 [TS]

  minutes long but there's a structure to [TS]

  them and they go into detail their [TS]

  segments those things to hang your hat [TS]

  on basically the visual version of of [TS]

  like h2 h3 you know like the visual [TS]

  version of indenting on the table of [TS]

  contents the beginning of my OS 10 days [TS]

  you need you need something like that is [TS]

  if I wrote an OS 10 review but it was [TS]

  just paragraph at the pair of a text [TS]

  with no section headings and no [TS]

  hierarchy at all right what you're [TS]

  saying is correct if I want to be like [TS]

  one of these popular bloggers and [TS]

  popular tech youtubers I'm not sure [TS]

  that's what i want i'm not sure that i [TS]

  even can do that [TS]

  I think what I need to find is the [TS]

  balance between who I am and what is [TS]

  popular on YouTube and I I don't think [TS]

  like if I just try to be mkbhd i'm going [TS]

  to fail because I'm not mkbhd like if i [TS]

  try to be if i try to make a virgin [TS]

  video I'm going to fail because i'm not [TS]

  spending as much time and resources on [TS]

  is the virgins but you want the [TS]

  advantages that they have you said you [TS]

  don't want you don't want to spend you [TS]

  don't want to be that long right you [TS]

  wanted to be more compact you want it to [TS]

  be like somewhat pre-written right and [TS]

  you want to miss presumably take [TS]

  advantage of the things that are in [TS]

  video and also you want to build an [TS]

  audience and the things that have been [TS]

  proven to build an audience are those [TS]

  type that doesn't mean you have to do [TS]

  that so you can pick your own style and [TS]

  in fact you could be the entire opposite [TS]

  style where you make seven our videos [TS]

  that are going to incredible depth i [TS]

  just don't think the audience's that big [TS]

  that you can do whatever you want but it [TS]

  seems like you're actually very close to [TS]

  those types of videos now with this [TS]

  video that you made and the parts are [TS]

  you diverge if you are to bring them [TS]

  closer it would also be closer to your [TS]

  desires for this video which is to do [TS]

  something that you can't do a podcast in [TS]

  a blog you know to take less time to be [TS]

  more concise the type of video that you [TS]

  would watch instead of reading the big [TS]

  long voyage article you haven't quite [TS]

  made that but you're close [TS]

  yeah yeah ultimately I I think you're [TS]

  right again it's a matter of finding my [TS]

  natural fit on this continuum somewhere [TS]

  and I'd obviously I'm i don't i didn't [TS]

  expect to find it with my very first [TS]

  video that I've ever made it is going to [TS]

  capacity or style at all but I think I I [TS]

  think I I it'll take me awhile to find [TS]

  that balance [TS]

  you should have to your wardrobe she [TS]

  would love it is making clothes for and [TS]

  if it's a link outfit you [TS]

  well let's but i'm just spitballin here [TS]

  if I can figure out the microphone thing [TS]

  that I'm output whatever sure i want it [TS]

  you know right now it's it's committed [TS]

  to hide my little crappy black lavalier [TS]

  III you totally like that's your look [TS]

  the black thing is your look I just [TS]

  think I don't know what you have to do [TS]

  to make that work [TS]

  camera wise but it wasn't and I think [TS]

  the back light from the window is not [TS]

  helping like it to make a black [TS]

  completely black outfit a black shirt [TS]

  with a black coat to make that read on [TS]

  camera some video person will tell you [TS]

  what you have to do [TS]

  butter but you know whatever it is needs [TS]

  to be something i also think you are [TS]

  grossly overestimating how important it [TS]

  is to hide your Mike I really don't [TS]

  think there's all kinds of like well if [TS]

  if I wanted to not have the mic i'll [TS]

  just bring a podcasting makeover from [TS]

  the boom arm and actually sound good 10 [TS]

  that's different that's different i [TS]

  think having something that's that's [TS]

  including the view of you is one thing [TS]

  being able to see a lavalier mic that [TS]

  we've seen on every television talk show [TS]

  for 30 years [TS]

  that's a totally date you but you're not [TS]

  going to be on camera most the time [TS]

  anyway most of us was gonna be you [TS]

  talking over other versions you shot [TS]

  like is a true because really i really [TS]

  like it's not like it's not a question [TS]

  of you being like those other things as [TS]

  a question of what the people want to [TS]

  look at and like I said you know what [TS]

  help with your younger more attractive [TS]

  but in general but no one wants to see [TS]

  someone to sit there and talk that they [TS]

  want to show it in a proper you just [TS]

  show me the product the whole frickin [TS]

  time talk by all means talk to me tell [TS]

  me about what you have to see but just [TS]

  seeing you talk like that should be the [TS]

  smallest proportion of the video and so [TS]

  if during that time we can see a little [TS]

  black mike on your thing like Casey said [TS]

  like we've seen that on TV for years and [TS]

  find the audio quality was finally [TS]

  whatever i don't think you need to do [TS]

  anything to make the audio better and [TS]

  not really sort of it make the video but [TS]

  like you said you did in 1080 instead of [TS]

  organs like the video looks fine like [TS]

  your shirt didn't read well and you know [TS]

  it is challenging with the backline but [TS]

  everything about it was fine it's just [TS]

  because the macbook was too far away [TS]

  from the camera so anytime you're trying [TS]

  to show me anything it's like well that [TS]

  I can't see that [TS]

  so forget it I i think what I'd like in [TS]

  the future is again a lot more b-roll [TS]

  shots like a lot more of the closest and [TS]

  everything of the computer doing doing [TS]

  things I'm talking about things that i'm [TS]

  showing again this was kind of rush at [TS]

  the end because I was trying it all done [TS]

  today and again like I I gotta find that [TS]

  you know part of the balance between [TS]

  finding out like you know what like what [TS]

  kind of style video i want to produce [TS]

  and what content should be part of that [TS]

  balance is also figured into the rest of [TS]

  my life because i'm also a podcaster and [TS]

  i'm also a software developer and i'm [TS]

  also lazy and and so had to have to find [TS]

  I i have to figure out the schedule of [TS]

  where does this project fit in my life [TS]

  how much time can i really devote to [TS]

  this [TS]

  and again these are all things to figure [TS]

  out over time but overall I do agree [TS]

  like I think future videos will be like [TS]

  less of just me talking and more showing [TS]

  the things that i'm talking about that [TS]

  being said i was surprised how many [TS]

  responses I got already so far with [TS]

  people pointing out people who noticed [TS]

  that i made very few cuts in the video [TS]

  that is mostly just me talking with only [TS]

  a few cuts here and there a lot of [TS]

  people complimented a lot of people said [TS]

  this is kind of a relief from the more [TS]

  highly produced videos that are coming [TS]

  every four seconds like that because [TS]

  that's you know pro video usually makes [TS]

  tons of cuts like watching a movie [TS]

  trailer just cut cut cut gauges constant [TS]

  right and the kind of more amateur you [TS]

  get I think the less cuts you tend to [TS]

  make and a lot of you actually said they [TS]

  like that and again it depends again it [TS]

  is all going to depend on what what is [TS]

  my style [TS]

  what what are my goals here what I want [TS]

  to do when I say audience growth it's [TS]

  not i'm not saying i'm gonna try to do [TS]

  whatever it takes to to get 10 million [TS]

  subscribers or whatever like that would [TS]

  be nice [TS]

  I don't expect that to happen I mean I [TS]

  never even had that big of an audience [TS]

  on my blog its peak so I wouldn't i [TS]

  wouldn't expect that to to happen on [TS]

  youtube but I i want to find people who [TS]

  are compatible with me and so just some [TS]

  degree i do have to kind of come on the [TS]

  terms of the medium and and do it you [TS]

  know quote correctly but also to some [TS]

  degree I don't want to like totally [TS]

  change who I am for this medium so like [TS]

  like some of the comments also pointed [TS]

  out how they were happy to see me talk [TS]

  about things that people weren't talking [TS]

  about about this machine and I think [TS]

  that's kind of because I'm a ramblin [TS]

  podcaster who wants to talk about in [TS]

  great detail that like I'm not going to [TS]

  cut out the big long section with the [TS]

  power brick that's why you can do the [TS]

  long the long sequences without cuts be [TS]

  as you are accustomed to spilling out [TS]

  your thoughts in a long sequence that's [TS]

  true without cuts essentially your it [TS]

  even the podcast like this podcast is [TS]

  edited but it's not as if you're taking [TS]

  any of our soliloquies and chopping it [TS]

  up into a thousand pieces and piecing it [TS]

  together that's not how that's not how [TS]

  they were [TS]

  that all I mean some shows are like [TS]

  about the show is not so you're used to [TS]

  doing that and whether the current [TS]

  youtube stars are using now the fact is [TS]

  they don't like they will you know two [TS]

  sentences about this cut two senses [TS]

  about this cut two cents about that [TS]

  often those cuts are because they're [TS]

  showing you the things but i think they [TS]

  didn't even say those in sequence i [TS]

  think it's a they are assembling they're [TS]

  creating it there there thing in the [TS]

  editing room for the most part which is [TS]

  yeah you know a perfectly valid way to [TS]

  work but it is not the way this podcast [TS]

  or I think even he was on top for it's [TS]

  not how that works as far as I'm able to [TS]

  tell us a listener so I think you're [TS]

  coming at it from that perspective and [TS]

  that is it that is a difference that [TS]

  will be apparent to people [TS]