0:00:00[MUSIC PLAYING]
0:00:08[SPEAKING ITALIAN]
0:00:27Hey, buddy.
0:00:28Text expander. That was so funny, man. I love that you did the accent for text expander.
0:00:39That was so good. Oh my God. Oh my God. Federico.
0:00:42I speak two languages, you know?
0:00:46I can tell.
0:00:48Sometimes I do that. Hi, Steven.
0:00:50Hey buddy. How are you?
0:00:52Hi. I'm good. I'm good. How are you?
0:00:54I'm good. And I have the pleasure to be joined by Myke Hurley.
0:00:58"Hello mate!"
0:00:59It's my other language, innit?
0:01:02You can't really do that anymore, you know?
0:01:07You really lost that accent, man.
0:01:09You can't tell me, listen to you.
0:01:11I mean... fair. Fair. Fair.
0:01:14Don't your Italian friends laugh at you? Surely they do, right?
0:01:18Oh yeah, no, it's really become a problem now, where I am actually losing the ability to come up with certain words in Italian.
0:01:25And really, it's come up a lot lately when I'm sending messages,
0:01:30because I'm realizing, thanks to Silvia, who actually notices these things,
0:01:35that the way I structure sentences in Italian is wrong,
0:01:38because I'm structuring them in English.
0:01:41Yep, so I sound like an idiot now in Italian.
0:01:44Oh, that's pretty bad.
0:01:46That's my problem now.
0:01:48Mm-hmm.
0:01:49[laughter]
0:01:53You're really stuck now in the middle.
0:01:57- So we have some follow-up, yes.
0:02:00- Our buddy Quinn Nelson has a video up
0:02:02about the Apple Self-Service Repair Program,
0:02:05where he went through the process of what you can order,
0:02:09how you order it.
0:02:10He talked about the website being weird.
0:02:12Something that I didn't know
0:02:13'cause I actually didn't complete parts order,
0:02:16but to do that, you have to find a code
0:02:19that's like typed into the repair manual
0:02:23to prove that you read the manual,
0:02:25or at least know how search works,
0:02:27before you order the parts you need.
0:02:29- That's intriguing.
0:02:31- It's like a escape room for parts ordering or something.
0:02:34- Yeah.
0:02:35- I guess they want you to know what you're getting into
0:02:38before you order all this stuff,
0:02:40and then you feel like you can't do it,
0:02:41but what a weird way to do it.
0:02:44- I guess my expectation for that is,
0:02:48legally, they have to
0:02:51get like a consent from you that you've read it, right?
0:02:55Like before you blow your house up or something
0:02:58from a thermal event.
0:03:01Somebody, by the way, I don't wanna out this personally
0:03:06'cause I didn't ask.
0:03:07I had somebody message me who worked at an Apple store
0:03:10who put together a playlist of songs all about fire
0:03:15that they could play during the 30 minute breaks
0:03:19from all of the thermal events
0:03:20that would get caused at the Genius Bar.
0:03:22(laughing)
0:03:23So it's just, it was like 40 songs,
0:03:25always some kind of fire element to them.
0:03:28And they, they stared it with me in the,
0:03:31the icon, like the image of the playlist
0:03:34was an Apple store with smoke coming out of it,
0:03:36like an actual one.
0:03:37I don't know what that was from.
0:03:39But yeah, they would just play this in the back
0:03:41while they were waiting the 30 minutes
0:03:43for the sand to do its job.
0:03:45So anyway, my expectation is that like,
0:03:49from a legal perspective, they need to get it to a point
0:03:53where in court, there's nothing you can do.
0:03:57Like if you went and found the code,
0:04:00like you've done all the work, right, like as the person,
0:04:03that like Apple has no, like you have no legal recourse
0:04:06against them at that point,
0:04:07moving my expectation, right?
0:04:09Like they're just trying to cover their butts.
0:04:12Quinn did also post a tweet that he completed a repair
0:04:17on a device and he's making a video about that,
0:04:20which I'm really excited to see.
0:04:21- It's in good hands with him.
0:04:23He really knows what he's doing.
0:04:25I'd mentioned, I think last time,
0:04:26that I was like, "I think he did a repair thing."
0:04:27He talked about that in the video as well,
0:04:30that he was a big iPhone repair boy for a while there.
0:04:33- Yeah.
0:04:34- I want to talk about these wild USB-C cables.
0:04:37Federico is our resident USB-C expert.
0:04:40What is going on with these?
0:04:42- So we heard about these new cables last year,
0:04:47and I guess they are official now because this new,
0:04:49this company is the first one to actually put out,
0:04:52you know, actual specs for the first 240 watt USB-C cables.
0:04:57So this will start appearing in the near future, I guess.
0:05:03This is the first company that I put out some details.
0:05:05They're called, what are they called?
0:05:08Club 3D.
0:05:10Yeah, this, it's a Dutch manufacturer of USB-C cables.
0:05:15So the idea is you're going to get these cables soon enough,
0:05:18in the near future,
0:05:19that are going to charge your devices super fast at 240 watts.
0:05:23Now, none of this matters right now
0:05:26because there are no devices on the market
0:05:28that support 240 watt charging via USB-C.
0:05:33But the idea is that in the future,
0:05:35this may be suitable for gaming laptops.
0:05:38You know, gaming laptops,
0:05:39they usually come with these giant charging bricks
0:05:42because those gaming laptops, you know,
0:05:43You get the laptop version of, I don't know,
0:05:46you get an Asus or a Dell or,
0:05:49what's it called the other one, the Alienware one.
0:05:54Anyway, you get one of those laptops
0:05:55that have a 38 inside, for example,
0:05:57and they run super hot,
0:05:59and they also require a ton of power.
0:06:01So the idea is, with these cables,
0:06:04you may not need to have the giant separate charging bricks
0:06:08for those laptops.
0:06:09You can get just this kind of cable
0:06:11that charges your laptop super fast.
0:06:14Now, no existing devices can use these cables yet.
0:06:18No smartphone, no laptop, no computer, nothing.
0:06:22But the theoretical potential is there.
0:06:25Now, this company specifically is going to put out--
0:06:30and this is where the complications arise, of course.
0:06:33USB being USB, it's going to get complicated.
0:06:37Because this company alone, so this first company,
0:06:40has already announced three versions of this cable.
0:06:45My understanding is that all of them,
0:06:47they charge at up to 240 watts.
0:06:51However, only one, the shortest cable, the one meter cable,
0:06:55can do 8K, 60 frames per second video,
0:06:5940 gigabit per second data transfer,
0:07:02and 240 watt charging.
0:07:05But there's also a two meter version, so a longer version,
0:07:09that however cuts off at half the data rate.
0:07:12So it cuts off a 20 gigabit per second transfer rate,
0:07:16but still 240 watt.
0:07:18And then there's the weird one.
0:07:20Another two meter cable with USB two speeds.
0:07:25So like 480 megabit per second or something.
0:07:30I don't know.
0:07:32- That one's just a prank.
0:07:33This one is just, it's just a prank.
0:07:36This one I feel like.
0:07:37- Or I mean, I guess if the other ones are expensive,
0:07:40this will be like the,
0:07:42I'm putting giant air quotes around it, cheap one.
0:07:44Like if you just want a power cable and you don't.
0:07:47- If you just, I think that's the idea, right?
0:07:49If you just want a power cable,
0:07:50you don't need to put the actual stuff in it.
0:07:53So you make the cable cheaper,
0:07:54but still support the super fast charging.
0:07:56- Okay, so it does 4K 60.
0:08:00So I guess you could also,
0:08:02no, the one with the 20 gigabits per second does 4K 60.
0:08:06- Yeah.
0:08:06Yeah, so I guess it's that one is just for, I don't know,
0:08:11power or small simple monitors or whatever, right?
0:08:14Because I would say the 8K is maybe a bit much, you know?
0:08:19- The thing is the USB implementers forum,
0:08:25the USB consortium is going to of course allow manufacturers
0:08:29to mix and match specs for the upcoming USB.
0:08:33I think this is called-
0:08:34- What is wrong with these people?
0:08:36This is the USB 4 standard, I think, and they're going to allow manufacturers to mix and match
0:08:42different specs, like Club 3D have done.
0:08:46But potentially good news, this time they have official labels and stickers that they
0:08:53will put out on logos, that they will put on cables.
0:08:57So there's like an official graphic for 240W cable, 240W charging brick, 40Gbps data.
0:09:06They have like these little cute stickers now, and maybe that's gonna fix everything,
0:09:11maybe not, because I am sure, like I would wager lots of money right now, that they will
0:09:18change the standard at least twice over the next two years, as it happened before with
0:09:24USB 3, then USB 3.1, then USB 3.2.
0:09:28So it's gonna happen again, but long story short, this super-fast charging is coming,
0:09:34maybe in a couple of years you can buy a gaming laptop that doesn't require a separate giant
0:09:40brick anymore.
0:09:41And you can use it and charge it at the same time maybe, you know?
0:09:45Maybe.
0:09:46Maybe.
0:09:47You can play the Addon Ring and you can play GTA 6 and charge and play at the same time.
0:09:51Steven's favorite.
0:09:52Steven's favorite.
0:09:53I know, I was waiting for that one.
0:09:54I've got a t-shirt on sale.
0:09:59Congratulations.
0:10:00I would like people to go check it out.
0:10:01So can you explain it to me?
0:10:03Oh, it's about the Lisa, local integrated software architecture. Oh, I just got it.
0:10:08I'm sorry.
0:10:09I didn't know this until I saw the t-shirt. I didn't get it. I didn't know this was a
0:10:16thing like the blah blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever you'd call it. Local integrated
0:10:21software architecture. That's a backronym, right?
0:10:24Oh, for sure because, you know, it was really named after his daughter, but it took him
0:10:31years to apparently admit that, which is terrible. But yeah, so this is, it's
0:10:38honoring the Lisa. It's got some line art of Lisa. It's on like, the shirt
0:10:42does not have a pocket, but it's printed like on like where like the chest pocket
0:10:46would be. Comes in a couple different colors. I'm a big fan of the black forest
0:10:50tri-blend, like the black and green. I think it looks really nice. I kind of
0:10:53wanted like early 80s vibe a little bit, so I did that without being sort of
0:11:00obnoxious with the colors and I'm really pleased with how it's come out. What I
0:11:03like about this t-shirt because Steven was sending this to me, I heavily
0:11:07encouraged him to do this so please buy it because otherwise this is partly my
0:11:11fault. What I like about this t-shirt is it looks like the shirt you would have
0:11:15been given if you worked on the project right like if you made the Lisa they
0:11:18would have given you one of these so pretend like you made the Lisa and buy
0:11:22this t-shirt. There you go yeah yeah the building I link in the show notes and in
0:11:28In my post on 512 about it, I talked a little bit more about the name and how it basically
0:11:35came out like years later, like I think in Lisa's book, like a story about being with
0:11:44her dad, and I want to say it was Bono, some musician.
0:11:49And he was like, so the computer was named after her, right?
0:11:51And he he admitted it.
0:11:52But yeah, they sort of had a backwards engineer, local integrated software architecture.
0:11:59Another example from the time period was, "Let's invent some acronym, LISA," which is
0:12:04very good.
0:12:05Oh wow, that's a bad burn, right?
0:12:08Like that's rough.
0:12:10It's pretty awesome.
0:12:11That's rough.
0:12:12Also, local integrated software architecture, sounds like it could be a connected title.
0:12:17A little bit.
0:12:18We have that history, right?
0:12:19Of the four word titles.
0:12:21Yeah, so yeah, they're for sale through May 12th, so I'd love if you'd go check it out.
0:12:29I'm really proud of it.
0:12:31Did you both buy a shirt?
0:12:32Yeah, I bought the green one.
0:12:34I'm buying it right now.
0:12:35Thank you.
0:12:36I bought the green one, so.
0:12:37Get off our case, geez.
0:12:38I'm not sure about the color myself, actually.
0:12:42I don't think green is a good color on me.
0:12:46I think you'd look good in the red.
0:12:48I think so, too.
0:12:49Can you imagine if he's like, "I hate red"?
0:12:50[laughter]
0:12:52Or orange. I think orange is also a good color.
0:12:54I wanted the orange too, but I ended up going with green.
0:12:59Although the red one speaks to me.
0:13:03Yeah, I'm going with the red one.
0:13:05Awesome. Thank you.
0:13:06Done.
0:13:07Do you go tri-blend or conten, Federico?
0:13:09Tri-blend, always.
0:13:10Always.
0:13:11Mm-hmm.
0:13:12I'm wearing a tri-blend cortex shirt right now.
0:13:15I'm wearing the tiny heads tee.
0:13:17Today.
0:13:18[laughter]
0:13:19Seriously, I am man. I wear it a lot when we record the show. Do you? Yeah, just as
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0:16:10of the show and relay FM. Apple has released more details about their
0:16:15in-person portion of WWDC this year. So this is coming from Apple's website. I'm
0:16:21struggling right now because Safari is crashing on me. Can I just take a quick
0:16:24aside and just talk about like Safari on the Mac is driving me mad again.
0:16:28Please. Yes. It just every day like I have this but like all of a sudden Safari
0:16:33it's just beach balling on me right now. All I did was open a tab like I don't
0:16:37I don't know what do you want from me, you know?
0:16:39Or like I have this thing where,
0:16:41I don't know if anybody else has this.
0:16:43I open a tab and I type something in, right?
0:16:45Like, you know, you use like the search, I press enter.
0:16:48It loads the, it loads the content, closes the tab.
0:16:51It does this to me multiple times a day.
0:16:53I don't know why.
0:16:54So like I say, like, I want to search
0:16:56for like Federico Vittucci and I press enter
0:16:59and it opens the Google search
0:17:00and then immediately closes the tab.
0:17:02I, this happens to me all the time.
0:17:03Does this happen to you too?
0:17:04This is only on the Mac, this happens to me.
0:17:06- No, I've never seen that.
0:17:08- So do you two use tab groups?
0:17:10- No. - No, never.
0:17:11- Okay, I use tab groups
0:17:12and I reckon this is part of the problem.
0:17:14I use tab groups a lot
0:17:15and I think something's freaking out in there
0:17:17because of that.
0:17:18It's very frustrating to me.
0:17:20I have to force quit Safari now.
0:17:22So, just give me one second, all right?
0:17:25I'm getting there.
0:17:26I'm trying my best, you know,
0:17:28but this has nothing to do with me.
0:17:28- This is great content, I love it.
0:17:31- I'm vamping.
0:17:32All right, so now I'm gonna open the link again.
0:17:34Okay, we're hosting a special,
0:17:36Nope, we've already got that part.
0:17:38This is the eligibility, right?
0:17:39So attending this event is free and open to members
0:17:42of the Apple Developer Program
0:17:44and Apple Developer Enterprise Program.
0:17:46Invitations will be allocated
0:17:48through a random selection process and a non-transferable.
0:17:51Submit your request on May 9th to May 11th,
0:17:54and you'll be notified of your status on May 12th.
0:17:57That's what they're going for.
0:17:58- Okay.
0:18:00- This celebration marks the start
0:18:01of an inspiring week of sessions, labs, and lounges,
0:18:04all online and with more activities than ever.
0:18:06- I mean, I think this is basically what we expected.
0:18:10Random selection process, I would put random
0:18:13and again, air quotes, I'm sure they are.
0:18:15- There will be an element of it, I'm sure.
0:18:17- There'll be an element of randomness for some seats.
0:18:20Some seats I'm sure will be selected.
0:18:22You know, it closes the same day,
0:18:23or you'd be notified the same day
0:18:25as the final day of ordering a 512 t-shirt.
0:18:27So Apple and I coordinated on this, clearly.
0:18:31- Oh really?
0:18:31- They're doing it in honor of 512 day.
0:18:33- Oh, that's amazing.
0:18:34- Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool of them.
0:18:37- Gather with others in the developer community
0:18:39to watch the keynote and the State of the Union videos
0:18:41alongside Apple engineers and experts.
0:18:42Explore the all new developer center and so much more.
0:18:45What's the developer center?
0:18:47I said this and Stephen said,
0:18:48"Hey, that's the website."
0:18:49And I was like, "Oh, okay."
0:18:50- Sit down and explore a website.
0:18:52- But I felt like, oh, okay,
0:18:53maybe they have a new update for the developer center.
0:18:56- Now it turns out it's also a building.
0:18:58So this first came up of all places
0:19:00in the Apple EPIC lawsuit.
0:19:04I guess Phil Schiller was talking about
0:19:07what they do for developers,
0:19:09and he mentioned that there was going to be
0:19:11a dedicated developer center somewhere at Apple Park.
0:19:16And that's basically all we know,
0:19:20is that there's going to be a place where,
0:19:23I guess developers in Apple can interface somehow,
0:19:26and apparently it's ready, or will be ready.
0:19:29People will be able to see it, probably tour it
0:19:31while out there if you're selected in this drawing
0:19:35to go to the event.
0:19:37I don't know what this building means moving forward.
0:19:39Like, is it gonna be a thing where you can
0:19:43like make an appointment and maybe Apple lets you come out
0:19:46and work on something with them?
0:19:47Like who knows?
0:19:48I'm very curious what it entails.
0:19:51- Yeah, it's weird, right?
0:19:52Like, what do you put, like, is it like the visitor center,
0:19:55but just a developer version?
0:19:59You know, like it's very strange.
0:20:01Is it gonna be like one of those schools that they have?
0:20:06Like there's one in Italy.
0:20:08You know what I'm talking about, like the developer academies, what are they called?
0:20:11Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
0:20:14I think they have one in India too.
0:20:16Yeah.
0:20:17It's one in Naples for sure.
0:20:19Yeah.
0:20:20Yeah, and James points out it'd probably be in a nice isolated place
0:20:24so you can bring developers in without having any security issues.
0:20:29you know, maybe this is something where if there's like
0:20:32minor announcements throughout the year,
0:20:35maybe Apple even does them from here, you know,
0:20:37for select developer partners, or if they're, you know,
0:20:39bringing somebody in, like Apple loves to do this,
0:20:42especially if there's like a big,
0:20:45like technology shift in software,
0:20:47or sometimes they do it with hardware too,
0:20:49of like, oh, we invited EA in and they got their game
0:20:53up and running on this in just six days.
0:20:55And you know, maybe that sort of thing will happen here too,
0:20:58because it's sort of isolated and controlled like James said it's not just
0:21:03wandering around the ring. Sounds like a great thing to have if you're gonna be
0:21:07having like a mixed reality headset you know. I want people to come and try out their
0:21:12apps on a mixed reality headset like I always think back to with this kind of
0:21:15the Apple watch remember when they had developers go to infinite loop and like
0:21:21try the apps on the Apple watch remember that? Oh yeah kind of. Yeah so like they
0:21:26had like a time period from when it was announced before it came out where select developers
0:21:32could apply and go to Apple's, I think it was infinite loop then, and you would get
0:21:37time with Apple over a few day period and you could run your apps on their test hardware
0:21:44for the watch. So this is the kind of thing I expect that they'll do. Going back to the
0:21:51developer focused event, they have like a health and safety section. They want proof
0:21:55of negative COVID test within three days, masks are encouraged and they have nothing
0:22:00on vaccination proof required for the event and are saying they will provide details on
0:22:05the latest requirements to attendees prior to the event. I'm assuming if things change.
0:22:09That's less stringent than I thought it would be.
0:22:12Well, I actually think this matches what they're asking from their employees because Apple
0:22:16does not have a vaccine mandate and they never have.
0:22:19Yeah, and they say that they'll provide more details. So I would imagine if the situation
0:22:24with COVID changes drastically in California, you know, they are holding back a little bit
0:22:31saying, "Hey, we can change these rules if we feel like they need to or if they're mandated
0:22:35to somehow."
0:22:36Yeah, yeah.
0:22:37And we don't know if it's inside or outside.
0:22:39They haven't said anything about that kind of stuff yet.
0:22:43I just always naturally assumed that they would be performing like lateral flow tests,
0:22:47like the antigen tests on anybody going in, but maybe they will, maybe they won't.
0:22:52It's their choice, right?
0:22:55People know, right?
0:22:56Like if you are uncomfortable with that, don't apply.
0:22:59- I mean, it says you have to provide proof
0:23:01no more than three days before.
0:23:02I don't think they're gonna be doing tests there.
0:23:05I think you've got to show up with that in your hand or--
0:23:07- Well, yeah, but you could do both, right?
0:23:10- Maybe. - You could still do both.
0:23:12- So yeah, I mean, my biggest takeaway of this,
0:23:14like, yeah, it's about what we expected.
0:23:15May 12th is like three weeks or something,
0:23:19three and a half weeks before the event.
0:23:21So if you're going, it's a pretty short time to plan something, but I guess.
0:23:26Yeah. It doesn't seem like that they,
0:23:28well at least they haven't said that they're restricting it.
0:23:30Like they're not saying it's US only or whatever. Right. So, but yeah,
0:23:34like if you, at least, at least they are saying like,
0:23:38this is the date you will be told.
0:23:40Like I like that. I think that's a really good system to be like, if you know,
0:23:45you will be told by this time, like May 12th, 6 PM Pacific,
0:23:50like that's it you know I guess one way or another right you got to throw your
0:23:54name in the ring for this no no I'm not gonna do that I did say I would apply
0:24:00for a WWE C pass this ain't it right this is not a WWE C pass I'm not I'm not
0:24:07gonna put my name in for this no sure you don't want to see the developer
0:24:10center be taken there never to be seen again I want to see it I would like to
0:24:15go and see it all but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put my name in for this like I
0:24:19I mean, it's gonna look like just everything else
0:24:22their architecture looks like now, right?
0:24:25- I like it.
0:24:26You love to see it.
0:24:28- Listener Caleb is unhappy with my Flexi title.
0:24:32- Who chose it?
0:24:33- I thought the Discord did and I just adopted it.
0:24:36So Caleb wrote in, "Each time you read the bill of keys,
0:24:38there seems to be a noticeable disdain in your voice
0:24:41for the title Attorney General Flexi.
0:24:44As a former US history teacher," Caleb writes,
0:24:47"I thought I would dig in a bit to our government
0:24:49via Wikipedia and see if there are any better possible titles I could suggest.
0:24:53So there's about a dozen in here. Chief Flexi of the United States, Ambassador
0:25:00Flexordinary. What is that? Ambassador Extraordinary I think is a term
0:25:08and he's made it. Flex. If you were gonna do that I would prefer Ambassador
0:25:12Flex-ordinaire. Yeah me too. But you know. Speaker of the Flexis, Secretary of
0:25:18flexies, a flex majority leader, flex majority whip.
0:25:22(laughing)
0:25:25Isn't as dirty as it sounds.
0:25:26No, I prefer flex majority leader.
0:25:30Like that's just very good.
0:25:32Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Flexis.
0:25:35Okay.
0:25:35Undersecretary of Flexis.
0:25:38He wrote commandant, maybe commander of the Flexis.
0:25:41That's commandant, right?
0:25:42Isn't that commandant?
0:25:43Oh, that's what it is.
0:25:43Commandant, okay.
0:25:44Fancy enough.
0:25:45Commandant, okay.
0:25:46and then flex master general ag flexi is the best just yes, in my opinion,
0:25:52attorney general flexi is still the best one. However,
0:25:55speaker of the flexi is also true for you. Yeah, you are the speaker of the
0:26:03flexi, but the problem is you are the speaker of the rickies always like
0:26:08always as the rule leader. So I feel like that is just an honorary title bestowed
0:26:14you irrespective of any win or loss. Yeah I feel like that one doesn't work
0:26:18for that reason that's like a you know a state of being really. Yeah which is you
0:26:23you are that being. Yes yes. These are really good. They are good. But I would
0:26:28miss AG Flexi too much. I think I would too. I really do like Chairman of the
0:26:35Joint Chiefs of Flexis. Right but that makes it feel like... Oh it's got Chairman
0:26:42than a two. Oh, well then you can't do it. Yeah. Well that also makes it sound like
0:26:47you're our bosses or something like which I don't like. Kate says that I've
0:26:51slandered the discord they did not come up with Attorney General Flexy. Okay was
0:26:55it you then? I guess maybe so. Right if it was you then you can't change this.
0:26:59Yeah. You chose it you know. Well it's known to be a flip-flop-er though. Yes
0:27:04Uh-huh. Flexi Flip-Flop.
0:27:07[Laughter]
0:27:11Flexi Flip-Flop.
0:27:13You can change to that if you like.
0:27:15FFF. Flexi Flip-Flop.
0:27:18[Laughter]
0:27:21These are all good, but I think I'm gonna stay put.
0:27:24I feel like a touring general Flexi, you know, has the momentum behind it.
0:27:27It also, I don't know, because I like a good 80s vibe, like AC Slater.
0:27:30You know, like AG Flexi, you know, I like that too.
0:27:32AG Flexi.
0:27:33I don't know, it also reminds me of those TV shows like NCIS or, you know, what's the other one?
0:27:40Like CSI, you know, let's talk to the attorney general. I don't know, it just feels very,
0:27:46very American, you know? Get the attorney general on the phone. Crimes! Crimes have happened!
0:27:51Yeah, so thank you, Caleb. I appreciate you looking out for me and for our government,
0:28:01but I think I have to pass on the suggestions.
0:28:05- Our government, the three of us?
0:28:07- I mean, Caleb and I shared government.
0:28:09- Ah.
0:28:10- I'm assuming he's American as he taught US history.
0:28:13I mean, I don't think US history
0:28:15is being taught in other countries.
0:28:17- Can I be a Frenchman teaching US history?
0:28:20Why not?
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0:29:48So I was on one of my favorite web blogs, 512pixels.net, yesterday, and found out...
0:29:55He's got a t-shirt for sale.
0:29:56Yeah.
0:29:57sorry, and I found out that 1Password 8 for Mac had been released to the public. I feel
0:30:05like I'd forgotten about this for a long time because I wasn't using the beta because I
0:30:10don't know why, I don't know what you two both were, I would not use a beta of my password
0:30:15manager. That freaks me out a little bit as a thought. I don't want things like that going
0:30:21wrong and I just wanted to ask the two of you a little bit like what your experiences
0:30:27of 1+8 have been so far? Pretty just fine I actually really like it. Okay.
0:30:34I love the new system-wide thing with the audio fill with the command
0:30:40shift what's it space like that floating like universal search thing that I
0:30:48actually really like I love the design it really works for me yeah. Stephen what
0:30:53you like? Yeah, the design is nice. I think the universal
0:30:58autofill like is one of the best features and one password. So to
0:31:02fill the flesh that a little bit. Basically, it puts one
0:31:06password at the OS level. So say you're trying to sign into zoom,
0:31:10you can invoke one password. And they're doing a bunch of stuff
0:31:15in the background to like know what applications in the
0:31:17foreground and it can bring up Oh, these are your resume
0:31:19logins and you can autofill it from anywhere. It used to be that was just
0:31:24like trapped in your browser now it's across a bunch of different apps on the
0:31:27Mac and that's that's pretty awesome. So this isn't like officially supported
0:31:33like it is on iOS? Right, Mac OS doesn't have a mechanism as long as far as I'm
0:31:40aware for third parties to do this on the Mac and so they've kind of worked
0:31:46through like the accessibility angle to understand what's on the screen, figure out where the
0:31:51fields are and to fill it. It's clever. I wish Apple had a more like sustainable way
0:31:57for that to happen and maybe they will.
0:32:02This is what makes me love like this sort of like they put all this work in and then
0:32:05in like six weeks time Apple's like hey we've brought this feature to the Mac. But maybe
0:32:09not though I don't know.
0:32:11possible you know but they've they're gonna have users I guess on Monterey for
0:32:16a while so even if Apple offered it that I'm sure they wouldn't mind having it
0:32:22there for older older OS's. And this also might exist I don't know but maybe this
0:32:27will exist on Windows too right for for 1Password. Yeah I was a little bit
0:32:32confused by this universal autofill thing at first because I thought that
0:32:36that they sacrificed the menu bar app, like 1Password Mini for it, because now by default
0:32:44when you click the menu bar thing you just get two options. One is to open 1Password and
0:32:49one is to open the universal search thing, which I thought was a not great move. That
0:32:55was just like breaking how I use it. But you can change in settings to like when you click
0:33:00that it opens the universal search thing which I only do this just so like I can get used
0:33:06to the new behavior of a keyboard shortcut but I was very used to like just going up
0:33:10there and clicking the menu bar too so I'm happy that it has that it's just like it's
0:33:15just how I've used it for years right like I've just gone up there and clicked.
0:33:18Interesting. Why is this happening to me right now?
0:33:24But yeah so never mind. This Fiery extension doesn't follow the theme color of Mac OS this
0:33:29This is very upsetting to me.
0:33:31I'm sure it's a bug.
0:33:32They'll work out.
0:33:33Well, I mean, now it's their colors, so I don't think it's a bug.
0:33:37Oh, that's no good.
0:33:39They've branded it.
0:33:40It's now a little one password icon with the silver and the blue.
0:33:44Do you not use the extension?
0:33:45I use Chrome.
0:33:46Oh, yes.
0:33:47Of course you do.
0:33:50And I never use dark mode on my Mac, so that's why I didn't notice.
0:33:54Yeah, there's that too.
0:33:56Wait, what's dark mode got to do with it though?
0:33:58It's dark mode, gotta do it, gotta do it.
0:34:00Oh, you didn't mean, you meant the appearance color, not the light or dark mode.
0:34:05Yeah, like, I have the little, like mine are yellow, right?
0:34:09Because it matches my Mac.
0:34:10Oh, yeah, I actually set mine to purple too.
0:34:13And yeah, I didn't notice that.
0:34:15So now I've got the little, like everything else is yellow up there except one password.
0:34:19And I'm like, come on, one password.
0:34:20Right, right.
0:34:22Well, it's the one password blue though, like it's the branding, no?
0:34:26But I don't, I mean, yeah.
0:34:28hmm yes but everything else that I have follows the theme color as system you
0:34:36know so I just I would just prefer if they did it that way but they haven't so
0:34:40whatever okay I mean obviously there was so much hullabaloo right about the
0:34:46electron stuff is that a thing like what is the hullabaloo was the hullabaloo
0:34:53worth it is my question let me I should disclose they are a ongoing sponsor at
0:34:58Mac power users. So there's that. I think we've talked about this on the show. I think
0:35:03that the argument about electron on the Mac is kind of kind of dumb. I think it's really
0:35:09an argument about how those apps are implemented. Yes. One password. Yeah, like you mean a discerning
0:35:16Mac user is going to know there's something different about it. But it mostly looks and
0:35:22works the way that you would expect. And that wasn't true in the early betas. This we just
0:35:27one password on the Mac has been in beta since the fall. I think it's been a long time a long time
0:35:32and they spent a lot of that time rightfully so fixing a bunch of those weird UI things.
0:35:39You can tell but I don't think it's a big deal because it continues to work the way that it did.
0:35:44You know you can like you said you can even revert the menu bar item back to the old the old method
0:35:52that's what you want. You can still use it in your browsers. I mean, and talking with
0:35:59them and reading through their stuff, like, if all you do is basically just use it to
0:36:04create passwords and save passwords in your browser, you probably don't even see the app
0:36:07all that often.
0:36:08I mean, the app looks better.
0:36:10It does look better.
0:36:12You know, so, like, I know that it fundamentally bothers people, but it looks nicer than it
0:36:19did before so I you know I don't really know what to say.
0:36:22It says who cares like this thing about like oh it's election who cares like the
0:36:27only people who care about this stuff. Well people care. No but why like does it do
0:36:32what you want it to do? Great. Does it not? Don't use it. There's no need to start a
0:36:37war about all these things like who cares like move on and try something
0:36:41else like not everything needs to be like this crusade against products like
0:36:48whatever the world is full of other apps use something else we don't know right
0:36:54you can you can use the system one which I think will get promoted to like a
0:36:57fuller app suppose it doesn't make a preference pain sooner rather than later
0:37:01now there's a big debate like no I don't care about the debate choose another
0:37:06password manager you know like I mean it looks nicer it works better great for me
0:37:12you don't like it good for you try something else done I've tried those
0:37:16other ones. And I still think one password is the best solution out there. I think it's
0:37:22better than the system stuff, because it can do a lot more, including it now has support
0:37:26for creating and using SSH keys, which is really cool. There are some other things though,
0:37:32that people are unhappy with. I agree with federal code electron things, not a big deal
0:37:35to me. They've gotten rid of local vaults, which they said this was going to be the case
0:37:40a long time ago. And what that means is, so in the past, you've been able to just use
0:37:46one password, if you just had it like on your Mac, you could just have it have those credentials
0:37:52like just on your computer, right not syncing to a one password server anywhere.
0:37:57You could also sync those through Dropbox think that iCloud support as well.
0:38:01But now they've moved completely to the subscription model of you have to use one password eight
0:38:07with a one password account, whether it's a personal account, a family account like
0:38:12like Mary and I have, or a business account like Myke,
0:38:16you and I have.
0:38:17And so for me, that's no big deal at all.
0:38:20I was already paying for family and teams
0:38:22because I got benefit from that.
0:38:25I haven't used a local vault in years.
0:38:28And honestly, like I trust 1Password to do that correctly.
0:38:33I know some people wanna sync it to Dropbox
0:38:35or wanna sync it to iCloud, I understand that.
0:38:38But from my perspective, I'm fine with it.
0:38:41And if there is ever an app that I wanna pay
0:38:44on a regular basis for it to continue to get better
0:38:47and for them to stay on top of their stuff
0:38:49is my password manager, right?
0:38:51Because they can, with that, continue to do what they do.
0:38:56And even a company like 1Password,
0:38:58which has taken a lot of funding,
0:38:59yet something else people are mad about about them.
0:39:02I'm still fine, you know, I pay it yearly.
0:39:04I just paid my family's one like a couple of weeks ago.
0:39:07- Hmm.
0:39:08- I mean, this is the way it's been,
0:39:10this is the way it was always gonna go.
0:39:11And they announced it a long time ago.
0:39:13And again, if that doesn't work for you,
0:39:15there are other solutions,
0:39:16including Apple zone that uses iCloud.
0:39:19But for me, I want and need the features
0:39:22that those plans give me.
0:39:23So I get work, Myke and I have,
0:39:26we have a vault that we share.
0:39:30We have a vault that we share with some of our contractors.
0:39:33And then I have my own personal vault that you can't see,
0:39:36but it's in my relay account, right?
0:39:37It's my work stuff there.
0:39:39Same thing, what secrets, you know,
0:39:41just to keep between me and my computer.
0:39:44Same thing at home.
0:39:45I've got a vault, Mary has a vault, we have a combined one.
0:39:48That is critical to how I like work with people I work with
0:39:52and how Mary and I share login information.
0:39:55So I'm totally fine, continue to pay that.
0:39:57- I do understand Dev1 a little bit more,
0:40:00'cause I can imagine that there may be, I mean,
0:40:03I'm sure there are some customers who,
0:40:06not necessarily just don't want a subscription service,
0:40:09but just don't ever want to sync this stuff in the cloud?
0:40:12Like, I think that that's a valid thing,
0:40:16like to just be like, I don't want it ever syncing.
0:40:18I just want it to live on my computer only.
0:40:21And I guess 1Password 7 is still available to you,
0:40:26but it won't be.
0:40:28I mean, I do say,
0:40:29I understand why that could frustrate people,
0:40:32but ultimately 1Password is allowed
0:40:37make its own decisions as a company, right?
0:40:39Yeah.
0:40:39And this is the way that they want to go to...
0:40:42I was gonna say to be sustainable, but I don't think that's the case anymore.
0:40:46It's not about sustainability for subscriptions now for a venture backed company.
0:40:50It's about recurring revenue so they can continue to be profitable and valuable.
0:40:55Yeah, and I get that. I totally do.
0:40:57The sort of the last thing that came up in the Discord,
0:41:00there is a open test flight for 1Password 8 for iOS,
0:41:05and it brings a lot of this look and feel
0:41:08to the iPhone and iPad.
0:41:10I've only used it a little bit,
0:41:12so I think we'll cover that once it actually comes out.
0:41:14I don't know when that is, maybe, probably later this year.
0:41:17- It's SwiftUI, right?
0:41:18It's all written in SwiftUI.
0:41:20- I have read that, I'm not positive.
0:41:23It updates the iOS app to look and feel more like
0:41:27the Mac app, and I think their goal with moving to Electron
0:41:32and it uses Rust as their backend stuff
0:41:34is to keep 1Password updated more frequently
0:41:37and more evenly across all these platforms, right?
0:41:41So if you ever use 1Password on Windows,
0:41:44like no offense to the people at 1Password
0:41:45who work on the Windows app, it's not great.
0:41:47Like the Mac version was way better.
0:41:49And now with this, all of their customers
0:41:52will experience a similar workflow, look and feel,
0:41:57you know, feature set across all the platforms.
0:41:59And that's important because they are serving people
0:42:02in all sorts of different markets now,
0:42:03not just us fancy Mac people anymore.
0:42:06- It is SwiftUI and Rust.
0:42:08- Okay.
0:42:08- Is the current version of the iOS app.
0:42:11- Rust is a multi-paradigm
0:42:13general purpose programming language.
0:42:15- I would hate it if my vault was filled with Rust
0:42:17'cause then it wouldn't open
0:42:18and I wouldn't get my passwords anymore.
0:42:20- Yeah, maybe that's what happens.
0:42:22Maybe the old app was built on metal
0:42:23and now it's been replaced with Rust.
0:42:26(laughing)
0:42:28So 1Password 8.
0:42:30If you're using 7, go check it out.
0:42:32I've been impressed with it.
0:42:34Yeah, I ran the beta a long time.
0:42:35I definitely had that thought, Myke,
0:42:36that you mentioned, like,
0:42:37maybe I don't want my passwords in a beta,
0:42:39but it was solid in the beta,
0:42:41and the release version is good too.
0:42:44- Yeah, it just, for me,
0:42:45it just kind of felt like something I wasn't excited enough
0:42:47that I felt like I needed to check out
0:42:49before they were ready to say it's done.
0:42:50- Yeah, totally.
0:42:51- You know?
0:42:52Like, I was just fine with, like, just waiting.
0:42:55And then, I mean, as soon as it came out,
0:42:56I was like, great, I wanna go get it,
0:42:57'cause I think visually it looks really nice.
0:43:00But I will tell you right now,
0:43:01I will just say this again.
0:43:03Maybe I'm not discerning enough,
0:43:05but if there wasn't that whole hullabaloo,
0:43:06I would never have known that it wasn't native.
0:43:10Like I never would have known
0:43:11that it had anything electron to it.
0:43:12I would just, I would not have been able to guess.
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0:45:12So as we mentioned earlier in the show, WWDC is coming and I thought something that we
0:45:16could do is at this point, as we're about to say goodbye to all of our knowledge of
0:45:22current iOS versions is to refresh ourselves a little bit on, I said iOS but I meant just
0:45:27OS, to take some time over the next few weeks. I kind of wanted to look at each version and
0:45:34how it's kind of fared over the last year and maybe use it as a stage to talk briefly
0:45:39about maybe some stuff that we are looking for or hoping for without too much pontificating
0:45:44so we don't spoil the rookies. So I went through Apple's iOS 15 page and pulled in some of
0:45:51the biggest features and I thought I could run through them and maybe we could stop and
0:45:55talk about anything you guys want to share some thoughts on these features at all. Focus
0:46:00modes was one of the biggest things added in IMS 15.
0:46:04Yeah stop there. We got really far. So focus modes I think we all had some pretty big hopes
0:46:15for this feature, and I really got into it for the first three, four months. Like, I
0:46:22was really into it. Like, I did the work to set it up for different scenarios, for different
0:46:27times of the day, different triggers, and that was the problem with it. And that was
0:46:32why eventually I stopped using it, and why I also think it didn't really make a dent
0:46:37in how people are using their phones. It requires a ton of work upfront. There's a ton of friction
0:46:45on the user to get started with focus mode and to really customize it to your needs.
0:46:51And if Apple, like if they continue working on this, meaning if it doesn't go the way
0:46:57of screen time, where it got popular for that year that everybody was talking about like,
0:47:04"Oh, our habits when we're using our phones, digital attention and all that kind of digital
0:47:10well-being," like Apple rolled out the feature and then they kind of forgot about it.
0:47:15So if it doesn't go like that, and I don't think it will because do not disturb it's
0:47:19something more universal, something that a ton of people use. If the company continues
0:47:25to work on this, I think they should really...
0:47:27If they continue to focus on it.
0:47:29Yes. Oh my God. If they continue to work on this feature, they should try and figure out
0:47:36ways to make it easier to get started.
0:47:39Yes.
0:47:40easier to say, like, basically, don't punish me if I'm gonna set up five different focus modes,
0:47:46but even things like copy and paste settings between modes. It's a ton of work to pick every
0:47:54single individual app and every single person and customizing the settings, and it's so much work
0:48:00that most people will be like, you know what, I'm just gonna stick with Do Not Disturb and that's it.
0:48:04Yeah, my biggest issue with focus modes and something that I would want to see them change
0:48:09because I just think it's a really weird decision,
0:48:12is that everything that you choose,
0:48:16you must choose explicitly,
0:48:18where I would just like to remove the things
0:48:20that I don't want.
0:48:21Because I remember when you were running your time
0:48:25where you were always in a focus mode.
0:48:27I think I remember one of the things that I said to you
0:48:29was like, how do you deal with when you add a new app
0:48:31or a new contact?
0:48:33You have to remember to put them in to all of the modes.
0:48:38- I actually have a solution for that, I think.
0:48:40So say that you, yeah, say you install a new application
0:48:44and it has notifications.
0:48:45When that panel comes up and says, you know,
0:48:47one, two, three app would like to send you notifications,
0:48:51I would love from there to say, okay, it's allowed
0:48:56in this, this, and this focus mode.
0:48:58Or it's not allowed in the others.
0:49:00'Cause right now you have to step through
0:49:01the focus workflow every time.
0:49:03It's really, that's always struck me as odd
0:49:06because maybe just the way I think about it,
0:49:08but notifications and focus modes
0:49:10are like two sides of the same coin.
0:49:12Why can't I get to that from the other side?
0:49:15I don't know, it seems so simple to me,
0:49:16maybe I'm missing something,
0:49:17but I think that would be a nice way to elevate it
0:49:22and make it a little bit easier to get into.
0:49:25Because if you don't do it,
0:49:27then your systems slowly break down over time, right?
0:49:30Because you've installed new things,
0:49:31you have new contacts, whatever,
0:49:33and six months down the road,
0:49:36your focus modes don't really do what they were supposed to do
0:49:40because you've added all this stuff
0:49:42and they are unaware of it.
0:49:44- Don't really know how Apple,
0:49:46we're saying these things and they make sense,
0:49:49but practically speaking, how do you fix them?
0:49:51I don't know.
0:49:51But I think as,
0:49:53I don't put a lot of faith into Apple saying,
0:49:57oh, now it's easier to get started with focus modes
0:49:59because we are using intelligence
0:50:02to determine the apps and contacts you want.
0:50:04And like, that's not a solution
0:50:06because I don't fully trust your quote unquote
0:50:08intelligent Siri based system to determine the apps.
0:50:11But make it easier for me,
0:50:14like I mentioned copy and paste up between different modes
0:50:17for the settings that you use, that could be one idea.
0:50:19Another one could be what Myke said of like,
0:50:22rather than include things,
0:50:24start from an exclusion standpoint,
0:50:28sort of like here's the default,
0:50:29Just pick out the things you want to leave out.
0:50:32So that could be another way to build a focus mode.
0:50:35Maybe, maybe I'm just saying this,
0:50:38maybe make focus modes shareable
0:50:40so that people can build a template for a focus mode
0:50:43and they can share it with you.
0:50:44And so it's easier to get started.
0:50:46- Maybe that will be just as successful and popular
0:50:48as Apple Watch sharing.
0:50:50- As soon as I said it, I thought of it.
0:50:53I was like, you know.
0:50:57So there was a general notification overhaul.
0:51:00One of the things was notification summaries,
0:51:02which I tried once and never tried again.
0:51:05- Oh, I've leaned into it.
0:51:07- No. - Big time.
0:51:08- Really?
0:51:09- Sir, you have the floor.
0:51:12- I went through, I only have a couple of apps
0:51:14that are allowed to send time sensitive ones.
0:51:16And those are the ones that stick around
0:51:18for like an hour, I think.
0:51:19And before they end up back,
0:51:21they sort of stick to the lock screen, basically.
0:51:24They don't disappear into notification center
0:51:25after you've unlocked the phone.
0:51:27Got a couple apps that do that.
0:51:29It's Todoist and maybe Messages, and maybe the only two.
0:51:34And then I've got some that send me regular notifications
0:51:37like they always have, but a bunch of stuff that like,
0:51:40yeah, I'd like to know what's going on in here,
0:51:41but it's not critical, I've shoved off into the summary.
0:51:46And I've got three summaries a day.
0:51:49I've got 8 a.m., so it catches overnight stuff,
0:51:52noon and then 8 p.m.
0:51:55So it kind of splits the day.
0:51:56And it's worked out really well, actually.
0:52:01So things like Parcel or TestFlight or,
0:52:06I'm trying to unlock my phone as I talk
0:52:09and find other examples,
0:52:10but it's just a handful of things
0:52:12that I've moved out into that scheduled summary.
0:52:17- You think you know a guy, you know?
0:52:19- Yeah, right.
0:52:21So it was redesigned in iOS 15.2.
0:52:24They now have this floating bubble type thing going on.
0:52:29Used to be this very boring stack of notifications,
0:52:33and in 15.2 they gave it a bit of a new design.
0:52:36I think it shares many of the same problems of focus modes,
0:52:42meaning you gotta do a ton of work up front, right?
0:52:45And it's not...
0:52:46My problem with the notification summary is that
0:52:48It's a binary thing.
0:52:52Like you can set up multiple summaries,
0:52:54but you can only send notifications to one summary
0:52:58that gets delivered at multiple times throughout the day.
0:53:02Whereas what I would have liked to see was,
0:53:04okay, give me a news summary,
0:53:07give me an entertainment summary,
0:53:09give me a gaming summary, give me a social summary.
0:53:12Like let me set up categories of apps
0:53:15so that I can triage my notifications like that
0:53:17so that I know that in the evening
0:53:18I get my social media summary.
0:53:20And maybe in the morning, I get my news-based summary.
0:53:24Like, that was my hope for this feature,
0:53:26but now it's just, yeah,
0:53:28it's just set up multiple schedules like an alarm,
0:53:31and otherwise you just mark things as going into the summary,
0:53:34but that's all you can do.
0:53:35You cannot categorize anything.
0:53:37And I realized that asking for more categorization
0:53:40may be in direct opposition to saying,
0:53:43require less work from the user.
0:53:45But in this case, I would be up to see something like Apple categorizing things for you.
0:53:52They do have, I'll share this, that there is a precedent for Apple using categories
0:53:59to automatically organize stuff for you on your device.
0:54:03And that's the app library.
0:54:05So why not use those same categories to automatically create summaries for you?
0:54:11And then you can set up the schedules you want.
0:54:13But you could say, "Gaming notifications,
0:54:15go into the gaming summary."
0:54:17You know, maybe that's a direction that could be explored.
0:54:21- Time-sensitive notifications.
0:54:23- They're okay, some apps have been abusing them.
0:54:25I've seen some apps that,
0:54:27do you really need a time-sensitive indication
0:54:30for a movie ticket?
0:54:31Like, no, you don't.
0:54:33(laughing)
0:54:35- I have very few, very, very few time-sensitive,
0:54:38like they're just, there aren't really many applications
0:54:42or all that I think need this.
0:54:45And also just like, I'm not particularly fond
0:54:48of the way that iOS handles it.
0:54:50It's like too aggressive,
0:54:53which is why like I don't even have like calendar alarms
0:54:56as like calendar alerts as time sensitive
0:54:58'cause it's too aggressive.
0:54:59You can't get rid of them.
0:55:01And I know that's kind of the point,
0:55:03but I tend not to like it.
0:55:05- Yeah, I think the key there is find the one or two
0:55:08you really need and don't put any others in that category. It also says time
0:55:14sensitive and capital letters at the top of the notification. Way too bold, way way
0:55:18way too bold. Really annoying. Not a big fan of that. Quick note which is
0:55:24barely an iOS feature. Barely an iOS feature. I mean you can see the
0:55:32Quick Notes, but this is all. Like, I actually, in the next app stories, I went down this
0:55:39rabbit hole about Quick Notes and how it works. But basically, my problem is that it's not
0:55:46cross-platform. It's really an iPadOS feature that was kind of tucked on MacOS and iOS.
0:55:52On iOS, it does nothing, right? You only see the Quick Notes in the Quick Notes folder,
0:55:57but it doesn't--
0:55:58It's weird.
0:55:59is weird, but it doesn't do anything. It doesn't support the swiping from the bottom to capture
0:56:06a Quick Note. It doesn't support the highlights. If you've saved highlights from a Safari page,
0:56:13it doesn't do anything. So this is part of a bigger thing that I would like to see, which
0:56:16is proper multitasking on the iPhone, but I guess we'll talk about that in the future.
0:56:21But yeah, barely an iOS feature. And also it's not an API, so I don't know. Should Quick
0:56:28to be something that developers can customize should be...
0:56:31Like, I would love to do anything
0:56:34in floating Quick Note mode, personally.
0:56:38Like, not even note-taking, right?
0:56:40I'm just, I don't know, floating Twitter, you know?
0:56:43That's not a terrible idea.
0:56:44Like, I love the, um...
0:56:46That's terrible.
0:56:47I love the picture-in-picture on iPhone for video.
0:56:52So, like, it totally works.
0:56:54Like, if that's allowed, right, why not Quick Note?
0:56:58I don't get it. Shareplay, which we spent a bit of time talking about over the last
0:57:03couple of weeks, like none of us use it, none of us really see a need for it, but we heard
0:57:08from lots of passionate ones that do use it. Lots of legitimate use cases for most people,
0:57:15it's possibly a gimmick, but I haven't seen anyone in real life talk about this, but some
0:57:22Some people have some quite actually sweet and legitimate uses for this, so great for
0:57:30you.
0:57:33Looking at just the general impact on the people as this entity of the general public
0:57:40that we like to be experts of sometimes, I don't see it in real life.
0:57:47FaceTime got a bunch of updates including a grid view for group calls, FaceTime on the
0:57:54web and audio and visual effects like blurring the background and you could do stuff with
0:58:01your voice to try and cut out some sound stuff.
0:58:04Here's the thing, I don't use FaceTime really.
0:58:08Yeah, that's the thing.
0:58:09Right?
0:58:10That's the problem.
0:58:11Definitely not in groups if I ever use FaceTime.
0:58:15I've never done a serious group FaceTime.
0:58:19It's always Zoom.
0:58:20- Effects for anything in Apple software,
0:58:24like you get these effects in iMessage,
0:58:27in clips, in FaceTime.
0:58:30Those are the definition of a gimmick.
0:58:32I've used it once, I think.
0:58:36Grid view is fine.
0:58:38So I've used it a couple of times in grid view.
0:58:40It's fine, it's okay.
0:58:43But I can say that I've really tried the web version though.
0:58:47So I have no idea.
0:58:48- I mean, why would we?
0:58:49- Yeah. - Right?
0:58:50Like why would we?
0:58:52- It kind of feels like they caught up to Zoom
0:58:56at the end of the pandemic.
0:58:57And at that point, so many companies have signed up
0:59:01for business plans, like Zoom accounts.
0:59:03Like for example, Sylvia's Dance School,
0:59:05they have a Zoom account, like a business Zoom account
0:59:08because they do remote lessons when someone is sick.
0:59:11Right, makes sense.
0:59:12And now Apple comes in and say,
0:59:13"Well, you can just use it with FaceTime."
0:59:16And the company's like, "But why would I?
0:59:17"I'm paying for Zoom."
0:59:19I'm fully set up with Zoom.
0:59:20I'm not changing my system. - And Zoom just became
0:59:22like the word for video conferencing.
0:59:25So too slow.
0:59:27If all of this stuff would have existed before,
0:59:30like if you could join them on the web
0:59:31or join them via a link,
0:59:33FaceTime probably would have been way up there
0:59:36if not the dominant,
0:59:37but Zoom was able to swipe in, like swoop in
0:59:40because they were, you know, they were,
0:59:43- Swiping.
0:59:44- Swiping, I swipe him right,
0:59:45I don't know why that came,
0:59:47they zoomed in, is what I should have said.
0:59:49And they got shared with you,
0:59:53everyone's favorite feature, right?
0:59:54- Nah.
0:59:55- Love shared with you?
0:59:57- I mostly just come across it as like a banner in Safari,
1:00:00like John Voorhees shared this link with you, like, okay.
1:00:02- Yeah, it's usually John, right?
1:00:03John is a sharer.
1:00:05- He is.
1:00:06- I will say mostly for me, it's Steven.
1:00:09I just had it earlier.
1:00:11It said Steven shared this with you.
1:00:13I get a lot of Steven shared this with you.
1:00:15But maybe what that means is just me and Steven
1:00:17go to the same things on the web a lot, you know?
1:00:20- Yeah. - A lot of Pokemon forums.
1:00:22- Yes, I know you do.
1:00:23You're always on Smogon and Reddit, VGC.
1:00:27I know you, Steven.
1:00:28I disable this everywhere, right?
1:00:33I just went into settings and I turned it off everywhere.
1:00:36And I don't know.
1:00:38I kind of feel like if someone sends me a link,
1:00:42you know, in iMessage,
1:00:44I'm checking out the iMessage conversation.
1:00:46I don't need to be reminded.
1:00:48It just kind of feels like clutter, you know, in music.
1:00:51Like, if John sends me a link,
1:00:53I'm going to save that link somewhere.
1:00:55I don't need the constant reminder that,
1:00:57"Oh, John shared this with you."
1:00:59So, yeah, I don't think we will see any more work
1:01:04on this feature this year in 16.
1:01:08I'm really not entirely sure why it exists.
1:01:13I'm not sure what problem it solves, honestly.
1:01:16Yes.
1:01:17And I know people could say it's a nice reminder, like you know, you go to Safari.
1:01:22But like, I think I said this at the time, I don't, like if somebody sends me something,
1:01:28I'm not like, oh, I really want to see that, but not now.
1:01:32Like to the point where I go to Safari later and I'm like, oh yeah, like this doesn't,
1:01:36You know what I mean?
1:01:37Like I, and again, I'm sure we have listeners
1:01:40where you are this way, but like,
1:01:42this is a very particular and strange use case in five apps.
1:01:46- It almost feels like a solution
1:01:49in search of a problem to solve.
1:01:51Meaning an engineer came up with an idea of like,
1:01:53hey, wouldn't it be neat if I figured out
1:01:55how to scan your IMS conversations
1:01:57for different type of deep links?
1:01:59And they were like, yeah, that's cool.
1:02:00How can we make it a feature?
1:02:01And usually that's not a really useful feature
1:02:03because if you don't start from the problem,
1:02:05you start from the solution,
1:02:07nobody's really gonna use that.
1:02:08And when we say nobody, obviously we don't mean nobody,
1:02:12but we gotta think at scale, right?
1:02:13And yeah.
1:02:15- We're using the Royal nobody.
1:02:16And the,
1:02:17(laughing)
1:02:20like this is, you can start from the problem
1:02:25in this scenario,
1:02:27if you make it open to everyone to use.
1:02:29This is not helpful.
1:02:32This is like a problem with so many of Apple's services
1:02:35things, right? If you're only going to allow this in photos, music, Safari, like
1:02:42this isn't enough. People use more than just these five things. Like,
1:02:48if you send me a link to Apple music but I don't use Apple music, this is not
1:02:54helpful to me. Right. Well if only there was some other way to save URLs for your
1:02:58use later. Exactly. You know what's funny? That if you were looking for the problem,
1:03:02you wouldn't come up with this. You would actually care about reading lists and bookmarks in Safari.
1:03:07[laughter]
1:03:08Because if you were starting from the problem, you would take a look at those two features
1:03:14that have existed forever in Safari, and then instead you did a big Safari redesign, which
1:03:20we're going to talk about in a minute, but those two features, you just took them from
1:03:24the previous Safari and you brought them into the new one and you just left them as they
1:03:29But instead for saving links, he didn't like,
1:03:32hey, maybe, you know, actually time to consider
1:03:35reading lists and bookmarks again.
1:03:38No, what if we came up with a way to scan
1:03:41your iMessage conversations?
1:03:43Like, come on, seriously, that's the best answer
1:03:46you have to saving links.
1:03:48- And try and access them all in one place, you know?
1:03:52Try and do that.
1:03:52No, it's not possible.
1:03:54- Maybe it's a branding problem.
1:03:56You know, maybe shared with you isn't the right name.
1:03:59What if they could name it something like "Someone pinged me with this"?
1:04:03Oh, here he goes.
1:04:05Yep.
1:04:07Yep. Yep.
1:04:08There's something there, I think.
1:04:09What was it called?
1:04:11The thing on Apple Music that was like this continued…
1:04:14Connect. Oh, my God.
1:04:16Yeah.
1:04:17Connect. Yeah.
1:04:18Anyway, I'm sorry.
1:04:19Was it Apple Music Connect?
1:04:21It was Apple Music.
1:04:22iTunes Connect.
1:04:23No, iTunes Connect is the back end stuff.
1:04:26Yeah.
1:04:27Nobody. It was called Connect.
1:04:28Apple music connectors were like, oh, hey, I'm your favorite band.
1:04:32And I'm like posting pictures on Apple music on my trips.
1:04:34Like, no, they're just going to use social media like a normal person.
1:04:37And I think it was just like YouTube and Trent Reznor for like months and
1:04:43Coldplay, not Trent Reznor. Yeah. Coldplay. Yeah. Oh, well.
1:04:46Safari. So got a big redesign on iPhone.
1:04:51The main thing being moving the address bar to the
1:04:55bottom and finally fixing the way that tabs look. We've got tab groups and extensions.
1:05:04I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I think the new Safari, especially on the iPhone,
1:05:08is the best work that Apple has put out in years.
1:05:11Correct.
1:05:12Because I feel like it's the result of a... it's a great combination of having a specific
1:05:16vision for something, but also getting a part of it wrong at the beginning and actually
1:05:22listening to users and iterating over it over the course of the summer. Like, so well done
1:05:30in terms of listening to the community and being very humble about it and be like, "Tell
1:05:34us what is wrong with this." Because we actually thought we had it, but it seems that we don't.
1:05:39So tell us what's wrong and let's see if we can figure it out. And I think the result
1:05:45is excellent. I've been using the new design since it was fixed in beta 5 or 6 or whatever.
1:05:52last summer, haven't looked back.
1:05:55Obviously on the iPad, I'm not using the new design,
1:05:57so maybe on the iPad side, things are a little more shaky,
1:06:02but on the iPhone, I think really well done.
1:06:05If anything, it's a shame that this design
1:06:09is exclusive to Safari.
1:06:11- Yes, yeah, more stuff should be bottom centric, right?
1:06:14Especially as these phones get bigger,
1:06:16why do I have to reach to the top
1:06:18in every other application for stuff?
1:06:20I'm sorry. I'm a child. I'm a child. Stop. Stop. Stop me.
1:06:27I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So why did you do that? I was trying to keep it together
1:06:37and you just had to... I'm so sorry, okay? I can't be blamed for this. I didn't say it.
1:06:44I almost said it. I almost said it and you just ruined it.
1:06:48I'm blushing too, this is a real experience over here.
1:06:52What do you mean you don't use the new Safari design on iPad?
1:06:57I don't use the unified tab bar.
1:06:59I have the traditional design.
1:07:02You know there's the compact tab bar mode on the iPad.
1:07:05Nobody uses it really.
1:07:07Oh okay, cool.
1:07:08But it's there.
1:07:09Because I don't remember this.
1:07:10It's also still there on the Mac.
1:07:13You can turn it on a Mac OS still.
1:07:16Yeah.
1:07:17Don't do it.
1:07:18- Oh God, yes, that's when, yes, I remember now.
1:07:21When the URL bar was in each tab.
1:07:23- Yeah, super weird.
1:07:25- Yeah, that was bad, that was a bad idea.
1:07:27- Honestly, if it gets discontinued this year
1:07:31on iPadOS and Mac OS, I wouldn't be shocked.
1:07:34The use, I bet that the usage numbers for that UI mode
1:07:38are below 10% of the user base.
1:07:41Like I wouldn't be surprised at all.
1:07:43- Oh God, I just turned it on on my Mac, yeah, this is.
1:07:46It's bad.
1:07:47And you can turn like the UI color tinting stuff back on too
1:07:51but they're separate check boxes and separate places.
1:07:55It's like they were punishing whoever's idea this was like,
1:07:58you can turn it back on
1:07:59but they're never gonna find the second option.
1:08:01How does it look on iPad though?
1:08:03Not great.
1:08:04Safari.
1:08:05No, it's bad.
1:08:07It's bad.
1:08:08There's a section in my review with screenshots.
1:08:11I've only used it for those screenshots.
1:08:14Yeah, it's not good. Turn it off.
1:08:16Not good. Not good at all.
1:08:18I'm looking for that.
1:08:19Extensions is the great part, though.
1:08:21Yes, absolutely.
1:08:22Except for, like, if you get really into extensions, the UI to manage them is not great.
1:08:31I wish that it was a bit more like a macOS where your preferences window can open within Safari.
1:08:40Instead, like, it feels like there's too many taps involved, especially on the iPhone,
1:08:44where you get this huge list and the huge list gets cut off at some point,
1:08:49and so you gotta click the puzzle icon, manage extensions, and then you gotta go in there.
1:08:54And it feels like a little too cumbersome if you keep too many extensions installed,
1:08:58but otherwise, they're great, right?
1:09:00I think, obviously, on iPhone and iPad, they don't exactly have the same capabilities as extensions on the Mac.
1:09:08There's some things that are missing, I believe.
1:09:11I ran into this last week when I was testing the extension for Raindrop, the bookmarking
1:09:16service, and it behaves differently on the iPhone and iPad than it does on the Mac. And
1:09:21I bet it's because of some limitations that occur when you're trying to have an extension
1:09:26always running in the background in Safari. But otherwise, solid job.
1:09:32My only reservation, but I think I'm actually in the minority here, is tab groups. I don't
1:09:38personally use them but I know quite a few people who do. Including one of our very own here.
1:09:43Yeah I use them to my own detriment but I do use them.
1:09:47Why?
1:09:47I like having things really neatly organized. Like I have a tab group for recording and like I have a
1:09:54tab group for like relay and so like they're set up just with the things that I'm gonna need for
1:10:00each mode that I've worked that I'm in at that moment. And then they sync from device to device
1:10:06like all of my devices. I really like it. I do really like it.
1:10:10Live text. Great feature.
1:10:12Great feature. Perfect execution, I would say. Integrated system-wide.
1:10:17It's in the camera. It's in photos. It's in Quick Look. It's now in shortcuts.
1:10:22Honestly, I don't have anything else to add here. Maybe down the road, obviously,
1:10:28it's happening, right? Especially if Apple gets into AR more and more.
1:10:32I think the camera, the actual real-time integrations will go deeper than what you can do right now.
1:10:40Obviously, Apple has to do it, if they're working on headsets and glasses, right? To
1:10:44be able to actually sort of overlay graphics on top of recognized text, but also objects,
1:10:51like street signs, for example, like directions and that sort of thing. But for now, for just
1:10:58extracting text, super well done.
1:11:00Yeah, for me, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it. Like, you know, it's
1:11:04like I have to get a phone number from something or an email address or something and it's
1:11:07on a piece of paper or like, or one for me is like somebody, like I want to, this is
1:11:14the worst, I can't believe this is how I have to do this. Like somebody sends you something
1:11:18in a message and you just want to copy a part of it. And so you take a screenshot of the
1:11:24iMessage, then you can use live text to select one part of the iMessage.
1:11:28That is genius. You know what I usually do when that happens? I copy the whole message
1:11:33and I paste it into the compose box and then I cut the part that is relevant to me. The
1:11:38problem is that occasionally with my stupid fingers I've done the wrong thing and I've
1:11:43sent the message that somebody sent me back to them.
1:11:47Yeah, why do you think I figured this thing out? Because I did that all the time. Yeah,
1:11:52just take a screenshot and use the live text and you can copy part of it out of there.
1:11:56It is silly that you have to do that.
1:11:58I kind of can't believe that we still don't have text selection inside of iMessage.
1:12:02Like, that's just wild to me.
1:12:04We're still in this world.
1:12:06But yeah, I don't use it often, but every time I do, I love it.
1:12:09Like, it's a great feature.
1:12:10Photo memories, they got changed.
1:12:12Everybody that listens to the show knows that the three of us hate that.
1:12:15Boo.
1:12:17They added a bunch of privacy features.
1:12:19There was the app privacy report, which I've never looked at.
1:12:22Nope, never have.
1:12:24Because I think this got added late too, right?
1:12:26like I don't think it was in shipping 15 15.2 or three I want to yeah so it's
1:12:31like I'm never gonna even think about it email tracking prevention who uses Apple
1:12:37Mail I do of course you do you use Chrome and Apple Mail what kind of like
1:12:44cursed mixture is that you are one I'd like a browser that works with web pages
1:12:51that I need to use and Apple Mail is all I need.
1:12:54- Okay.
1:12:54- But yeah, I'm not using the privacy stuff.
1:12:58- I don't like the email tracking prevention thing myself.
1:13:01Like, look, I said this before,
1:13:03I'm not sure Apple needs to keep inserting itself
1:13:06into everything, like I'm making decisions for everyone
1:13:10on their behalf, like we need them to protect us.
1:13:14Like, if I care enough about this stuff,
1:13:18I can use email services to do this for me.
1:13:21I don't need Apple to do it for me.
1:13:24And then just inadvertently disrupt lots of people's businesses.
1:13:29You know?
1:13:31Knowing that somebody opened your email is important.
1:13:35And from a privacy thing, it's not the worst thing.
1:13:38And I know that there's more than that.
1:13:40But the fact that it also cuts out people that are trying to build businesses
1:13:44that have email newsletters attached to them.
1:13:47It seems a bit heavy handed to me, but that's my own view on these things.
1:13:54And also they do, oh, I was going to iCloud Plus, where they do the private relay thing,
1:13:58which I've never used because I don't need that or want that, and hide my email, which
1:14:02also I don't want.
1:14:03And so this is a thing, hide my email, somewhat I feel similar to email tracking prevention,
1:14:07and it made Steven's life worse for a while.
1:14:10It did.
1:14:12Yeah, it broke with the Kickstarter stuff last year.
1:14:15Oh, I remember that.
1:14:17Including somebody who worked on the feature at Apple,
1:14:20turns out.
1:14:21Yeah, I can't say that I've used any of these features.
1:14:25I remember trying private relay
1:14:29and it cut my internet speed in like, by like two thirds
1:14:33and everything was super slow.
1:14:34And I think it got better,
1:14:37but also I don't think I'm the type of person
1:14:41who would need all these extra layers of protection.
1:14:46I think there are legitimate use cases,
1:14:49especially in certain countries,
1:14:51for wanting your internet to be protected at all times
1:14:55and having the tracking prevention in mail
1:14:57and having the app privacy report.
1:15:00I think that needs to exist,
1:15:03especially in some places of the world.
1:15:06But personally here, I feel pretty lucky in Italy
1:15:11that I don't really need any of these things.
1:15:15And if I would, I would probably just use a VPN for those times
1:15:18when, oh, I want to watch a TV show from the United States,
1:15:23but it's preventing me to do so.
1:15:24I'm just going to use a VPN.
1:15:26I think Apple will continue to ship these kinds of features.
1:15:30But obviously, these are kind of the niche additions to iOS.
1:15:34People are not installing the next version of iOS
1:15:37because of the privacy improvements.
1:15:38I mean, those are welcome, but you're not
1:15:40rushing to update your phone because of app privacy report, right? You want the new widgets
1:15:46or the new emoji or stuff. Yeah.
1:15:48Question for you, I don't know the answer to this. Email tracking prevention, do you
1:15:53get asked if you want to enable that feature?
1:15:56There's a splash screen, yes.
1:15:58Okay, cool. That's fine then. Now I feel better about it. Let's just say someone can choose,
1:16:03right? Because I'm going to say like, if they don't ask for that, but they do ask for app
1:16:07tracking transparency. So if you ask, but the difference is though, okay so the
1:16:13difference is, I'm talking about this all through this now, with app tracking
1:16:16transparency I get to choose per app. With email tracking prevention it's all
1:16:24email right? Like if I say, like then no one will ever know I've opened their
1:16:29emails even if people like I trust. Like I don't, I mostly turn off, I ask not
1:16:37to track but not always. I leave that on sometimes because I do feel like in some
1:16:42places we're gonna see ads I would like those ads to be the most relevant that
1:16:45they can be. That's my own preference. I'm gonna see the ads. I at least want the
1:16:49ads to be me. Like on Instagram. Yes I'm talking specifically about Instagram.
1:16:54I didn't ask Instagram not to track. Like they're gonna track me
1:17:01anyway so I might as well get the benefit out of it. That's
1:17:05my own personal view on this stuff. At least you're gonna get the good track, you know?
1:17:08If you need to be... I get a good tracking. I'm gonna get track, I don't want bad track.
1:17:13I want good track. And like most of the time for me, like I say no when it's kind of like
1:17:18to an app, I was like, I don't even know why you're tracking me. So if you're asking me,
1:17:23I'm saying no. I don't like, you know, like there's an app that I use to check train times. And it was
1:17:29like, do you like, why are you tracking me? You know, I know. Thank you. I'm pretty sure
1:17:35I once seen, I once installed like a Plex, a third party client and asked to track me.
1:17:41I was like, wait, I just wanted to watch a recorded episode of the Gossip Girl reboot
1:17:48that John recorded for me on his Plex server. And you're tracking me. Why is it? John record
1:17:56shows for you? Oh man, all the time. Of course he does. Big Plex buddy. John has a Mac mini
1:18:03server set up in a closet, right, that is constantly sort of streaming American television
1:18:11to me. So like any event I can watch. And we actually do like watch parties occasionally
1:18:17for like the Oscars and like, you know, we didn't do the Met Gala, but you know, the
1:18:23Oscars, the Super Bowl for the halftime show, like I actually watch and invite
1:18:27friends over, it's fun and it's all thanks to Jon's Plex server. When
1:18:32you initially said we do watch parties I thought you meant you and Jon but no
1:18:35Jon's not invited. No, Jon doesn't care about any of this stuff. He doesn't care, he's just out there playing
1:18:41playing you know Nintendo Switch games and whatnot, yeah. Steven would you
1:18:45install the Mac Mini for me in a closet? I think Jon has it covered. That was kind of what I was
1:18:55expecting. I just opened Safari since we're talking about it, kind of check out the UI stuff, and I got
1:19:00a banner at the top. New Safari extensions available. Do you want to turn on quote
1:19:05parentheses null end quote and minus one other extension? Whatever, say yes! Just live dangerously
1:19:14man come on no - one - the - one is the best part like cuz no it's like that's
1:19:22stupid but happens right but how do you get to - one extension if I hit turn on
1:19:28extensions actually gonna turn one off yeah I think it means that if you turn
1:19:32no on you go negative extensions so that's why I was 15 I can't wait to see
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1:20:29Myke, he's around too. He's on relays and a bunch of other relay shows.
1:20:32You probably find him on our website. Uh,
1:20:35you can find my t-shirt link in the show notes. Okay.
1:20:40It's a good t-shirt. I bought it. I encourage you to buy it.
1:20:42You know, it's a good t-shirt.
1:20:44I also bought one.
1:20:45You can walk around and you can pretend that you worked on the Lisa.
1:20:47I mean, who wouldn't want that? You know what I'm saying?
1:20:49Yep. It was out before all of us were born, but that's fine.
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