392: That Looming Threat of an Identity Crisis
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 392.
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Today's show is brought to you by Electric Text Expander and NetSuite.
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I am Myke Early and I have the absolute pleasure of introducing to you all,
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Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico.
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Hello Myke. What a nice "from Relay FM".
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I'll give you the extra, you know, you want it, so I'll just give you the extra.
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I have a question about the introduction thing.
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So with it being round robin, it does mean I only ever introduce you, right?
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Like, I think that's how this works. It's like it's not randomized in any way, right?
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Like, I am always the person introducing Federico.
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I think that's how this works, right?
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Yeah, I think that's how it works.
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Don't you want to introduce me anymore?
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I have no problem with that at all.
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Like, none at all. I just wondered.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, it is also my pleasure to introduce our other co-host for
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this program from the United States of America, from Tennessee, from Memphis, from his house,
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from his podcast cabin specifically, Mr. Steven Hackett.
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You see how I did the whole thing, like from America and then the state.
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I thought you were going to rattle off my address for a second.
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From Latitude.
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I don't know about the ordering thing.
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That's a good question for the makers of connectedintro.com.
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Maybe they can provide us some real-time follow-up.
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Because that's what I wonder of, like, do we need to round robin it perfectly, or do
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we just need to round robin it?
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So here's where...
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It's like...
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Nested round robins, right? Yes. So, no that's how we could, I mean look, I don't
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know how you do the mess on this, but like, I, you know, do one in three, but
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then like the first time I introduced Federico, the second time I introduced
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Steven, you know? Right. Then it goes back, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like
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concentric round robins. Yeah. Spiraling robins. Yeah, Zach says it is a
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normal round robin right now so what about what about like randomized robins and we call them
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like quantum robins or something like that that's really good
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i think that the order of who starts the intro needs to be regular round you know yeah but then
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outside of that i mean we can go into the multiverse of madness you know what i'm saying
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should we have rules for the robins i mean we're all thinking it right that this is where we're
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- I wasn't. I don't know what they would be yet.
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We'll think about that.
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You know what? Let's just keep talking
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'cause I don't want to do follow-up today.
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I don't want to do it.
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- Well, there's some follow-up we need to do.
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- Two thirds of the follow-up,
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I think I have explicitly asked for us never to do again.
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Could not have made clearer
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that I never wanted to cover
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either of these things ever again.
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- It's a democracy here.
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And my third of the democracy
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wants to talk about these things.
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This doesn't feel democratic.
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This feels authoritarian.
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Like I am being forced against my will to listen to this.
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- The first one, I will just say,
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we got a lot of feedback about how Apple charges more
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for black keyboards and mice on trackpad
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than white and silver ones.
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We understand there's a link.
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Go look at the link.
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- Do you have any idea what it's like to have follow up
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that you don't want follow you across two shows?
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This is where I am with this now.
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- Well, you're making this last longer than it has to.
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I was just saying, we've heard you,
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there's a link in the show notes.
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- Well, I'm upset.
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- Okay, well the next one will definitely calm you down.
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- This is nonsense.
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- No man, come on. - Why?
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- This is like from, this is from two years ago, come on.
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I mean, geez.
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- I just wanna share an update, that's all.
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- No, no one wants it except you.
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- Apple had an iOS update that was meant to fix this
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where some iPhone models had like a green or gray tint
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to their display.
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An anonymous source shared an intro--
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This is the thing that makes me most annoyed about this.
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I feel, I honestly, oh man, this feels...
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Are you questioning my sources?
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No, it's just, this is just really annoying.
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No, it just feels like being waterboarded with follow-up.
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It's what it feels like.
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You're just pouring this thing on our ears because it's a podcast.
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Because also, it's like, you may have just thought to yourself,
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"I want to do more of that."
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See, like, "Oh, my source is anonymous, so you know, can't prove it."
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Are you questioning my integrity as a...
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- Well, you just said you were a pseudo journalist.
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Like you won't even commit.
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- Well, I mean like is podcasting
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or blogging really journalism?
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I don't know.
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- You went to school to be a pseudo journalist?
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- And also, hang on a second, hang on a second.
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As the person with a journalism degree,
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shouldn't you be able to answer that question?
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- No, it means that I have the most questions about it.
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It's very existential in my mind
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if podcasting and blogging is journalism or not.
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- But you should be able to answer.
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surely you have some kind of framework.
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Like, isn't that like the first lesson in journalism school?
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- No, it's like if you go to school to major in philosophy,
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you have more questions when you graduate
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than when you go in.
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- Whoa, yeah, but that's philosophy.
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Like most things aren't like philosophy.
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No, journalism isn't philosophy.
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Like if you go to school for chemistry,
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you don't leave and you're like, I don't know anything.
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I have more questions than when I began.
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Like that's bad teaching.
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- Isn't that the whole point of the college system
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the United States though like no okay it's just to play carry Omar and ask
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questions that's all it is Apple has a document saying that if you have an
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iPhone 12 and you show up with this issue so apparently it is still going on
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for some people quote let the customer know that Apple is aware of the reports
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and is looking into it Apple itself refers to itself in the singular I will
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point out. Because they're American. And they say don't set up service for the issue, just tell them
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to stay up to date software-wise. So there's not really a fix, if you're still seeing it. This was
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great. I'm really pleased we covered this today. We'll be back soon with more. Getting the truth
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out, you know. We spent the last couple weeks adjusting the bill of rookies. I was going to
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just leave it until we played the game the next time in case, uh, the case of changes, but Justin
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And the discord brought something up that I thought we needed to go ahead and address because it potentially
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Has some like pretty big ramifications. So there's a section of the document that says
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For the annual rookies host are forbidden from choosing any pick they made during the previous calendar year
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Annual picks cannot be reused for the remainder of that calendar year by the host who made them
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All hosts are allowed to reuse picks made by others from previous games. So Justin writes based on the discussion
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I think this was intended to mean that when a host is choosing new annual picks in 2023, for example,
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he cannot reuse any of his annual picks from 2022,
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but quote "any pick they made during the previous calendar year sounds like it also includes 2022 keynote picks and maybe even flexes."
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So I see where this confusion has come from. I think we can probably... I think I know...
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I think we know what we wanted out of this and
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And so I have a suggested change I want to get y'all's feedback on.
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Just before that I would like to provide some real-time follow-up.
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It is a correction for you.
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It was Jason of Rickypedia at rickys.net who wrote in with this, not Justin.
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We'll play more to correct.
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I probably typed it on my iPhone and then it is corrected.
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So my source of change is the annual rookies have their own subset of rules.
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Once a host chooses something as an annual pick, they cannot reuse it in that calendar
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Additionally, picks may not be used in back-to-back annual RICIs by the same host.
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And then all hosts are allowed to reuse picks previously made by others.
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All right, can I read this again just to make sure I understand it?
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All right, the annual RICIs.
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So where is this sitting in the rules then?
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Like what comes before this in your mind?
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Well, if you look in the Google Doc, you will see that the annual RICCES has its own little
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subsection in the rules.
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So where is this starting?
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Oh, in that part?
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Okay, so it says, "Pics made for keynote RICCES cannot be reused by the host who made them
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for the next keynote.
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Following on, the annual RICCES have their own subset of rules.
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Once a host chooses something as an annual PIC, they cannot reuse it in that calendar
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Additionally, picks may not be used in back-to-back annual RICIs by the same hosts.
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All hosts are allowed to reuse picks previously made by others.
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That feels pretty good for me.
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Jason has recommended language himself.
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Can I read that just so we can compare?
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Yeah, we went round and round the other day and I voted it down.
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Hosts may not reuse their own active annual picks in any of that year's keynote RICIs.
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Nah, that's too confusing.
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Just like, we're mixing them together.
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I like it's just like, we only mentioned one here and then one here.
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That works for me.
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I mean, it serves the same purpose, right?
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So the idea being we can't reuse those and no one can reuse the annual picks
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that they pick in keynote events and okay, cool.
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And also next year.
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So like in 2022, you can't use the same picture you made in 2021.
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You can't make, you can't reuse your annual pick again.
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Didn't we decide that the annual picks would be called the Annie's?
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We've had this conversation before right? It's in the bottom of our document
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This is I noticed it the other day when I was looking for something else. And so if we're gonna call it the Annie's I
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Feel like it should be reflected as such in the rules. I mean really then it's like a whole third set of rules
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It's Ricky's flexes and Annie's that feels like a bit much
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But like just wherever it says that annual Ricky's
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Or like the annual rickys aka the annies have their own subset of rules, you know what I mean?
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Or just rocks up the top, like there are two types of rickys.
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Annies and kinis.
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There we go, we got it.
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No, I'm not going with kinis, I'm sorry.
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But there's a line and I'm drawing the line at kinis. I cannot do that.
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Just have that up the top, Steven. We're at the very top.
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very top. So it says there are two types of Ricky's. Annual Ricky's, aka the Annie's,
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and keynote Ricky's. That works for me, you know? Just so we remember to call it that.
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Because I don't know why we decided that, but we did.
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Alright, it's in there. Any other follow-up that you guys want me to not talk about, or
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can we move on?
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No, I just wanted to read again the language that we chose for the previous rule. "The
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annual Ricky's have their own sub-server rules. Once a host chooses something as an annual
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pick. They cannot, they cannot reuse it. Okay. So once a host chooses something as an annual
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pick, they cannot reuse it in that calendar year. Okay. Additionally picks me. Okay. Yeah,
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this. Okay. I think it makes sense. Yeah. Cause what it's referring to in the calendar
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year is any keynote reviews. So I pick something in January, like a iPadOS 17, you know, um,
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does not, you know, introduces Xcode. None of the keynotes in 2023 I can pick Xcode in
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iPadOS 17. And so, and same, I cannot pick it in the Anis of 2024. Right. Now, okay,
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so all this works for me. Question for you guys though. Okay. Do these rules retroactively
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apply to the current year because it's only April.
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No, I've thought about this.
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Normally the rules apply only moving forward, but I think there needs to be an exception
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made this time that we can't...
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No, I think we should do it.
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I think we should just apply it because it's not hard.
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What we're going to do is just apply the annual Ricky's rules now.
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That's the only thing that changes.
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So now we just can't pick anything we chose from that, which we wouldn't have done anyway.
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I think we can slot these in and it won't be...
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Well no, we could have picked, like if we don't apply the rules we could have picked
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stuff from January in the next keynote.
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But now we can't.
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So I'm happy with the starting from now, just like from the next one, like now it's like
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this is set.
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So we, for the rest of 2022, adopt the rules of... and I actually don't think... the way
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the rules are written before we wouldn't have been allowed to pick something from the annuals
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anyway. That's true because we had no repicking within a year. Yeah. Okay. So I don't think
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we would have been able to do that and so I'm fine with it. Let me have a quick scan
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through the annuals real quick. That looks pretty fine. I don't think we've done any
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um no I think we're pretty fine. There's no one's reused these picks. I want to just
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mention one last thing while we're on this. So Lex, who makes rickys.co, has
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made a Rickys API for who the current chairman are. What? So it's just at the
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moment it just has keynote chairman and annual chairman. That's all it's got right now.
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But my assumption is this will only get more complicated as time goes on.
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I believe Jason Snell asked for this. I don't know why Jason wanted it, but Jason
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wants it and now James is using it for the relay FM mode of dice by peak out I
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am gonna do something with this live on the show I want a widget someone make us
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widgets hold on you guys keep going I will make something very quickly very
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quickly automation April over there automation April is happening live I
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I assume, I naturally assume that just knowing Lex's work to date, that there will be more
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in this in the future, but like this is just the basic.
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I'm not asking for more, I don't even know what you put in it, but I just, it feels like
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a natural assumption considering just how complex Ricky's.co has gotten over the last
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couple of years.
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Hey Siri, who's the keynote chairman.
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Who's the keynote chairman.
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Are you sure you know how to do this?
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I know how to use Siri.
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- It's not working anymore.
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- Yeah, 'cause you don't know how to do it.
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- Run, who's the keynote chairman?
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- The current keynote chairman is you,
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Federico, my King Ricky.
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- That's coming from the rickys.co API.
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- Can you ask who the annual chairman is?
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Did you not bother setting me up?
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- No, I just added support for the keynote one.
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- Just for you? - Because that was me.
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It's actually quite nice because it's getting data from rikis.co.
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It's parsing the response for keynote chairman and then it has a condition.
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If the name is Federico,
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there's a special condition for me with saying is you Federico my king
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Ricky. If it's either of you guys, it's not going to have the nice message.
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Wow. So the API should also have whoever the loser is.
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When, when I try to run this,
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will I need to ask it seven times to run it or do I need to just do it one
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Look, it's not my fault that Siri is unreliable and that it doesn't understand the name of
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my shortcut and I need to say "Run, who's the keynote chairman?"
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Like it shouldn't have to be that way.
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You were the one that chose to have it do this, you know?
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I didn't choose anything.
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Well, I mean, you could have just created a shortcut that just read it aloud, you know?
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But it needed to be for the show.
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Automation April is happening right now.
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Federico, can you give the top line of what Automation April is
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to connected listeners that are currently living under a rock and are unaware?
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Yes, it's a month-long event to showcase automation on Apple platforms
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with a focus on shortcuts.
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By month-long event, I mean it's something that we are running on Mac stories,
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but it goes beyond Max Stories.
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We are trying to do things on all the properties,
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if you will, of the Max Stories universe.
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So there's gonna be-- - The Emu.
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- The Emu, the extended Max Stories universe.
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There's gonna be special articles
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and shortcuts on Max Stories.
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There's gonna be stuff for club members,
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whether they are regular club members in Max Stories Weekly
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or the Plus and Premiere ones.
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There's special episodes of App Stories,
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segments of App Stories Plus.
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We're gonna interview a bunch of folks about shortcuts,
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a bunch of developers is going to be nice.
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There's workshops in Discord for Discord members
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where I just did one yesterday
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where we got to talk about shortcuts techniques
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and principles of design for designing shortcuts
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that you want to share with others.
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So there's going to be a little something everywhere
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on all the things that we do.
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But the cornerstone of this event is the contest.
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There's the Automation April Shortcuts Contest.
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and you can go to shortcuts.maxstories.net.
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You can submit up to two shortcuts.
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If you're a club member, you can use your existing account.
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If you're not a club member, it's fine.
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You can create a free account.
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We just need a name and email address to identify you
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if in case you're winning the contest,
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we gotta be in touch with you, or if you have any questions.
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But anyone can sign up for free, it's fine.
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And the thing is, it's not just us at Mac Stories evaluating this shortcuts.
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The three of us, we came up with this idea of assembling a panel of judges.
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And so it's a group of 10 people.
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In addition to the three of us, me, John, and Alex, there's Matthew Cassinelli,
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Alex Cox, Rosemary Orchard, David Sparks, Simon Stobring.
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Is it seven?
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Am I forgetting someone?
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I think I'm forgetting someone.
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Alex Cox, you did say Alex.
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I said Alex Cox, yes.
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You always forget one. You did this in App Stories too.
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You always forget one person. It was Simon Stovering last time.
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Well, I mentioned Simon this time.
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Did you say Rosemary?
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I said Rosemary.
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Alex, Alex, Chris, David, Federico.
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Chris Lolly, duh, and Jason Snell. Thank you, John.
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I forgot about two people this time, so I'm getting worse.
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Hey, Steven.
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So yeah, ten people.
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Hey, Steven.
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How do you feel about not being asked?
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I know, I didn't even get asked.
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It's pretty ridiculous, right?
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Steven doesn't care about shortcuts.
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I mean, what about me? I have like 40 shortcuts, you know?
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You said to me that you use like 10 shortcuts
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and yesterday you deleted like 200 from your library or something.
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Yeah, I did. After listening to App Stories,
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I went down from 300 shortcuts to 40 shortcuts
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because there's just a bunch of stuff I don't use.
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I included like three people from Relay FM so you like you guys must not complain.
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I will not accept it.
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I've got 42 shortcuts that's two more than Myke.
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See, see he's got more than me.
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I do not care so.
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Well move let's move on to topic two shall we?
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Okay well it's fine.
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Shortcuts.m- automation.com shortcuts.
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Have you had a bunch of submissions so far?
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Yes, yes. In fact...
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Are you concerned about how complicated somebody's shortcuts could end up being?
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Yeah, so, okay. We tried to mitigate this as much as possible, right? We are already well in the
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double digits of this, and I think, you know, we're gonna be in the triple digits pretty soon.
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So, we are allowing only two shortcut submissions per user. You can go in and edit and fix your
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submission anytime. The contest closes on April 20th, so you have time. You can include 500 words
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as a description for both of your shortcuts, and there's a field where you can list any
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third-party app or web API that you may be using. So just that we have a reference as to what kind
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of integrations you're using. I am a little concerned for just the number of shortcuts.
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It's 10 people, but some shortcuts, I bet, will be complex.
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And so we're going to need some time to go over all of this.
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We have a set of rules, obviously, that you need to agree to
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if you want to participate in the contest,
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but those are pretty generic rules, like,
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don't steal user data and upload it somewhere
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or you will be disqualified.
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Like, duh, of course, we're going to do that.
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And also, something that I want to point out,
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yes, I'm concerned, but also this is what I was expecting.
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And I'm encouraging folks to not feel like only these shortcuts power users should participate in this.
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In fact, we're also considering with Jon adding a fifth category to the ones that we have
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for something that we're kicking around this idea of best everyday shortcut or something like that.
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Like a category that makes it clear that you can submit even a simple utility shortcut,
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because that's the thing.
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We are not rewarding complexity for complexity's sake.
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Shortcuts that are complex, like MusicBot for example, they are remarkable, they are impressive.
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But don't feel like if you have a 10 action or 20 action shortcut, that maybe it's not as long
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or as complex as other shortcuts you may have seen. Don't feel like it's not good enough to
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participate, because that's the kind of message that I've tried to underline as much as possible.
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We are accepting all kinds of automations because we're also looking at other qualities,
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like how easy it is to use, how intuitive it is to set up, how accessible it is,
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how well it's designed. So if you have something simple that works well and that does one thing
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well, feel free to submit it. In fact, it's quite welcome that you submit those kinds of shortcuts.
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But that said, we are considering this fifth category to make, sort of, really stress the
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fact that we are also rewarding this simpler but still useful everyday shortcuts. And then we're
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going to try and make it as easy as possible for the judges to go in and evaluate. We're working on
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this back-end UI for the panel of judges to have ratings, have notes attached to shortcuts. It's
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going to look quite nice. And that's just a contest, right? Because there's a whole other
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like content side of things where I've prepared 30 shortcuts for the whole
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month to share on Mac Stories and there's the club and there's the podcast
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but essentially we figured look April and May not much is going on usually
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because everyone is just waiting for WWDC and the March event from Apple is
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is, well, past. So we figured we want to do something about automation, we want to do
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something special about shortcuts. It's fun, it's going to be a lot of work, but we love
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doing this sort of thing, and so why not? And we want to keep doing this on an annual
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basis. So you know me, I had tons of ideas, and Silvia sat me down and went like, "Okay,
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look, you know you're going to do this thing next year and the year after that and so forth.
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do it all at once. Take some of your ideas and save them for the following editions."
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And I'm like, "Okay."
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Make it better, right?
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Yes. So I took, I literally took some ideas from the planning note that we had and I put
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them in a 2023 section. So we're already planning next year's edition. And yeah, it's a ton
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of work, but honestly, it's the most fun of Ed on Mac stories in a while. Like this kind
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of stuff is pretty much what I love doing, and it doesn't feel like work. Which is concerning,
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but also a very good sign. I think it's super cool, and I can't wait to
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see those winning shortcuts. It's going to be fun. Not that I can help choose one.
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Oh, and as you mentioned, we're giving away an Elgato Stream Deck XL and an Analog Pocket,
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so yeah, there's also that. I mean, you're competing for the glory of it and for the
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club premiere account and whatever, sure there's that, but there's literally a stream deck
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excel and an analog pocket on the line for the best overall shortcut. And the glory,
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sure, but you know.
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Yeah, I'm gonna get to work on making a really good shortcut for next year.
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Yeah, then you'll see.
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What if I just made a shortcut and when you open it, it like sends flowers or some sort
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of gif to one of the judges at random?
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Oh, I like that.
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I mean, technically, you guys can compete because, like, I know you.
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Can you imagine, though, if we won? That's not good, is it? That's not good for you, is it?
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Okay, so another thing I want to mention. Another thing I want to mention. The submissions,
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what we're going to see in the... Because people may be wondering this, like, what happens if you
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see a shortcut submission from someone you know? And we thought about this. The backend UI will be
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anonymized until we pick a winner. So the submissions come in, they have a random ID
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attached. We don't see the names of the people submitting that shortcut by default.
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But that's even more of a problem, because if I submit my killer shortcut that I have,
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you don't want to announce the winner of this entire contest is my friend Myke, who I work
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At the end, there could be the problem of like,
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oh no, I picked a shortcut that Myke made,
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but that's why we have a panel of judges,
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because the ratings, and like,
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it's not gonna be like purely based on the score.
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Like we're gonna have ratings,
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we're gonna have like a ranking system,
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but then we gotta get together and chat and talk about it.
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So there's gonna be a-- - And that's where you
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throw out my submission.
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- And there's where I will go in in the database
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and just delete your entry, and be like,
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oh no, we never received it,
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I don't know what you're talking about.
00:28:56
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So you're saying the election was rigged.
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Yes, I will very much rig this election.
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Well, only if it applies to you both, only for you guys.
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I will make an exception.
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Big news, WWDC is coming back.
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We back, baby!
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The week of June 6th. No, we're not.
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All this excitement, okay, okay.
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Apple announced this yesterday.
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- Yeah, yesterday.
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- Two days ago? - Uh-huh.
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- Yesterday?
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Here's the meat of it.
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In addition to the online conference,
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Apple host a special day for developers and students
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at Apple Park on June 6th to watch the keynote
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and State of the Union videos together
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along with the online community.
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Space will be limited and details
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about how to apply to attend will be provided
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on the Apple developer site and app soon.
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So basically what we talked about last week, right?
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some, I would say calling this a hybrid event is too strong.
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This is Apple dipping their toe and having people back.
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But at some point you can apply to go watch a video live,
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I guess probably outside,
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maybe that cool rainbow stage will get some use.
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- Yeah, it's probably outside,
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unless the weather's bad, right?
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- Take sunscreen, you know,
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if we learned anything from Google I/O, take sunscreen.
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- What do you guys think about this,
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having people coming to watch, and it's not live, right?
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The keynote and say the union won't be live.
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It says keynote and say the union videos together.
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- That I wanna go and I don't care if it's prerecorded.
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Like I just crave human contact.
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Is that good enough?
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- No, I wanna go.
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- Yeah, I also wanna go, but I'm not gonna.
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You know, I'm not gonna, I mean, you know,
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I've always, I never applied for a WWC ticket, right?
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And I always said that 2021, no,
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2020 was the year I was gonna apply
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for an actual developer ticket.
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And that never happened.
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I'm not gonna apply for one of these for multiple reasons.
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Like one, it just feels like it's wasted.
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- You canceled the WWDC when you said that, by the way.
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It's all your fault.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what I did.
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All right, I know what I did.
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They don't want me to be there so much.
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I cancel the entire thing, never comes back.
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- They just dropped the whole thing.
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But this doesn't really feel like much of a thing
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like that in the set for what I would want, right?
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Like what I want is to be in there in that room
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when they're doing the whole thing.
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And this is not that.
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Although I do actually think my,
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I would imagine Tim comes out and intros live
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and then they go to a prerecorded videos
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and then he concludes it live.
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That's how I reckon they're going to do it with WWDC.
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So like he'll come out and there'll be developers like,
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And then he's like, good morning, like that.
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and he's like, "We've got a great day for you all today."
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You know how he always does that anyway,
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like he just did it at the Apple event a few weeks ago,
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like it was in Steve Jobs theater, right?
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It was like a little intro and then it's a bunch of videos
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and then it's him at the end.
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I reckon it will be that, right?
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And they just throw the videos and they do the whole thing.
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To me, this whole development,
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I think this is kind of a microcosm of what WWDC used to be
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in the sense of like, there will be some kind of open system
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for people to apply, but this also allows Apple
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to bring in people that really wants to see.
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- Right, like there is maybe some high profile developers
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or whatever that they would like to have meetings with,
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to have those meetings.
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Same as it always was with WWDC, right?
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WWDC was a lottery system, except for the tickets
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that Apple kept to give to developers
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they made sure had to be there, which I think is the right way to do it, honestly. Like,
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you know what I mean? Like if you've got like, let me think of a, like a company, like imagine
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if it like Netflix and Disney just missed out on the lottery system. They're like, oh
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no, we didn't win the lottery. We can't come. But it's interesting, right? Like this, this
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to me, I mean, honestly, I know that there are at least some people on our show that
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really hate when I say this, but like this to me just further kind of underlines the
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point that I don't think it's ever coming back to what it was. I'm sorry but
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like just this idea of like now they're doing this slightly hybrid thing but
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there's even though they're gonna have an audience they're still gonna show
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videos. But it's a progressive thing like this year it's it's just these two
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videos next year maybe half of the sessions will be videos and half will be
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in person like progressively. By that point they have invested so much time
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attention and money into the online system which you can keep using it saying is better you can keep
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using it and people keep saying is better like i don't know why you would then be like oh now we're
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going to bring thousands of people because humans want to see each other this is like when we all
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thought this is not the only place that people can see each other yeah but in this context and
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in this community it kind of is well no i mean let's all go to whatever you know someone will
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start up their own thing and look at that. No, it doesn't have the same impact or the same,
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you know, anticipation of WWDC. This is like when we all thought, you know, during the pandemic,
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"Oh, all concerts are gonna be live streamed from now on." And guess what? The pandemic is slowly,
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you know, progressively, even though it's not over, but basically people, at least here in
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Italy, don't care anymore. And guess what? Concerts are back, just as they were two years ago. So,
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I don't have any faith in all these remote things continuing to be remote forever.
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They're going to be a hybrid system, but based on what I'm seeing, again, based on my reality here
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in Italy for things that we thought were going to stay remote only, guess what? They're not,
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because people want to see each other, people want to go out and hang out in person. It's just what it is.
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People want to see each other, but what if the organizers of that event don't want to do it anymore? Then what?
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Oh, well, I also doubt that because I also feel like Apple feels energized by seeing all these people in real life.
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I'm looking forward to WWDC though, just in general.
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Yeah, me too.
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It's not very far away at all, right? It's like eight weeks?
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Two months. Two months from today.
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Yeah, yeah, look at that. Pretty wild.
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Does that fill you with dread, Federico?
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Especially this summer when I'm going to be particularly busy for personal life reasons.
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I'll make it work. I think we talked about this last September. With the iOS review season coming
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up, I think I will stick to the approach that I followed last year, which is much more conversational
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review with less philosophical stuff on top of it, you know, much more straight to the point.
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It was very well received, so I'll do that again.
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And, but yes, iOS 16 review season starts again two months from today.
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It does fill me a little with dread.
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Can y'all believe it has been five years
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since Apple said the Mac Pro wasn't dead.
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- Five years since the Mac round table.
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So our friend Joe over at MacRumors put this together.
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- Joe Rossignol?
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- Rossignol.
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- Is it Joe Rossignol?
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- And he sent me an iMessage, he's like,
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"Hey, can you believe it's been five years since this?"
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And sent me the link and I instantly turned to dust.
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I was like, "Jeez."
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So I thought it'd be a fun time to sort of like check in
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on where we think the Mac is and maybe how, you know,
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how this looks in hindsight, you know, all that,
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all that fun feeling stuff about the Macintosh
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that I love to talk about and Federico loves to talk about.
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And I can take it or leave it, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, Myke's in the middle, you know?
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Whatever. Like the TV show.
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Michael in the middle.
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Now that's Malcolm.
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Yeah, his dad turns into Jesse Pinkman.
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It's very exciting.
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Oh, you're right.
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It is Bryan Cranston on the show.
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Better Call Saul's coming soon.
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I know, so I've been rewatching Better Call Saul.
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So, okay, okay, okay, all right, stop there.
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- Is it a good show?
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Like, can I get into it?
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Is it worth it? - Yes.
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Oh my gosh, yes, Federico.
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- Federico, this is no exaggeration.
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I prefer it to "Breaking Bad."
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- Interesting additional question.
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Does it start slow?
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- Okay, because I have this thing
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where if a show picks up slow, Sylvia and I struggle with it
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because we watch TV shows late at night.
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And so we need something that keeps us focused on the show.
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But if we know that it gets the action or the story,
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whatever picks up later, we can stick with it.
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- It picks up.
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I mean, honestly, I think within the first two episodes,
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it really picks up.
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- Okay, okay, all right.
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- But it's just like the start of the first episode,
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it's a little bit like I don't understand what's happening.
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But like it becomes clearer later on.
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It's so good, it's so good.
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Like, oh my God, I love it so much.
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All right, all right, all right, all right.
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We'll try it.
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The Mac Pro.
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So, five years ago was the Mac round table.
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No, no, stop there.
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I know something you've done, Steven,
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that you're not sharing on the show
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and I don't understand why.
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Mm-hmm, about the Mac Pro.
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About your Mac Pro.
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Oh, we haven't even spoken about this.
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It has been sold.
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Oh, wait, what?
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I didn't know this.
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I knew this.
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How did- wait a second, why did he notice but I don't notice. Did you send it to him?
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Yeah, Federico bought it.
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No, he didn't.
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Did you send it to Big Apple Buddy?
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It has been sold.
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I just happened to know, so...
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Why do you know though?
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What's going on?
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How do you know?
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Or do you just guess?
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The person who Steven sold it to told Federico is my assumption.
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I like all these gases. I like this energy. So keep going.
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I think he's just buffing.
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If you pay attention to the things I tell you guys, I'm surprised you haven't guessed yet why I know. So.
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Did you hack him?
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Okay. All right. Legit. Do you, did you know this Federico?
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Okay. Steven?
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That's why I brought it up.
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How do you feel about the fact that he knows this?
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I mean, it's upsetting.
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I'm looking at through like our text message history
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if I said something.
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So did you tell him?
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I don't think I did.
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All right, Federico, do you know who was bought it?
00:41:16
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No, I don't know who bought it.
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Is it from the like Instagram story of a little salute guy?
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I haven't seen any Instagram story.
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Look, honestly, the answer is so easy.
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I don't understand.
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How do you know?
00:41:33
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Why are we recording an hour later than usual?
00:41:37
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Oh, you were on--
00:41:39
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Oh, David told you.
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David told you you were on Automators.
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Did you sell it to David?
00:41:46
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What's he doing?
00:41:47
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No, we talked about my MacStudio impressions
00:41:50
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for more power users, which is like connected pro,
00:41:53
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but for my other show.
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00:41:57
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Is that why we're not talking about this today?
00:41:59
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You're making people pay for it?
00:42:00
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Well, first it'll be here eventually. Well, that's the idea.
00:42:03
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I'm sorry if I ruined the surprise. No, it's good. No,
00:42:07
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Myke freaking out was well worth the surprise being ruined.
00:42:10
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Look, one of, one of, one of the,
00:42:12
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one of my responsibilities is bringing this chaos to connected. Yeah.
00:42:17
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And I feel like I just couldn't resist the temptation of bringing it up and
00:42:21
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springing it on you in this segment. So that's what I did. Anyway,
00:42:25
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the macro, anyway, Joe Rossino and the Mac round table. That's right.
00:42:30
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That's right. On track. Yes. I mean, it is so at the time it felt so weird.
00:42:35
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And I think in hindsight, it only continues to feel weird that they had this event where they invited some journalists out and they sat up, literally sat them around a table and said, Hey, we have a new strategy for Mac hardware for pros moving forward.
00:42:50
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And it's like, it's just so rare for Apple to talk
00:42:54
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so openly about not only future plans,
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but also like a mistake they made,
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and a mistake they made in a product that was still ongoing.
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Like if you think about the butterfly keyboards,
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they just quietly kept making them better,
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and then replaced it,
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and then have a repair extension program.
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But there was never a sort of,
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hey, we're gonna talk about this openly,
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we're just gonna kind of quietly move things along
00:43:19
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and hope people quit talking about it.
00:43:20
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But in 2017, when this was going on,
00:43:25
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the temperature was so high in the Mac community around--
00:43:30
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- Is that a pun? (laughs)
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- Good, right?
00:43:32
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The Mac community was in a thermal corner
00:43:36
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over the Mac Pro, but also over the Mac in general.
00:43:41
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And so in 2017, this is kind of where things were.
00:43:48
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The Mac Mini was three years old,
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and the 2014 model everyone hated
00:43:52
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'cause you couldn't open it and upgrade things inside of it.
00:43:55
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There have been no iMac updates for over a year.
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There was no new iMac in 2016.
00:43:59
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The old non-Retina MacBook Air was still kicking around,
00:44:05
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and the one-port MacBook was for sale
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and pretty slow and underwhelming.
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And the new MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar,
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which is only like six months old at this time,
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there were a lot of stories beginning to surface
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about how the keyboards were breaking.
00:44:19
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- And people just didn't like the touch bar too, right?
00:44:21
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Like that was like an immediate saying.
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- And people didn't like the touch bar.
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People didn't like those laptops, right?
00:44:25
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Like those are just bad MacBook Pros.
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- And the ports and all that kind of stuff.
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I would say it was funny to me in Joe's post on MacRumors,
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he included just a great contextual image
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of the MacRumors Buyers Guide like on that day.
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And it's don't buy, don't buy neutral, don't buy,
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don't buy, don't buy for all of the Macs.
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Like it's just like, it was just a time where
00:44:46
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even the new stuff, the only thing that isn't done by
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was the MacBook Pro and they were neutral on that,
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even though it had been out for such a short period of time.
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It was a time full of angst.
00:44:56
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- It definitely was.
00:44:58
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And in that context, the Mac Pro was aging poorly.
00:45:03
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So in 2013, they got rid of the cheese grater.
00:45:05
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They had this like small cylinder of a computer
00:45:09
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that sat on your desk and it had limited upgradeability
00:45:12
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and expandability.
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It had, including yours, Myke, widespread GPU failures.
00:45:18
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Remember, you had one of these machines.
00:45:20
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- I like to try and forget that I owned that computer.
00:45:24
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- That was such a mistake for me.
00:45:26
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- I know, you had a Mac Pro before I did.
00:45:28
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It was garbage town, unfortunately.
00:45:31
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There were no hardware updates from Apple
00:45:33
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and it just didn't meet the needs of the community.
00:45:35
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And so all of this is going on, right?
00:45:39
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And that's not even touching like Mac OS itself.
00:45:42
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People were feeling like it really wasn't
00:45:44
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getting the attention it needed.
00:45:45
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And all this is going on.
00:45:48
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So they call people out to Cupertino and say,
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"Look, we are committed to the Mac
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and we're going to fix it."
00:45:55
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And in hindsight, that's like the best message
00:45:58
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Apple could have had at the time,
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because people were worried that the Mac
00:46:03
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was going to be going away or just slowly die on the vine
00:46:06
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while Apple was distracted in their words,
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distracted with things like the iPhone and iPad,
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the Apple Watch was new,
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they were building their campus at this time, right?
00:46:16
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A lot of stuff going on.
00:46:18
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It's also interesting because as far as I can tell,
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this may not have been the first time
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we heard from John Turness,
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but it was definitely an early time
00:46:26
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we heard from John Turness,
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who now has kind of become the face
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of the Apple Silicon transition.
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And from everything I've witnessed from the outside,
00:46:35
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seems like he's doing a really good job with Mac hardware.
00:46:38
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He is in this meeting with like Phil and Craig
00:46:41
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and a bunch of really respected journalists.
00:46:43
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- My favorite thing, one of my favorite things about this
00:46:46
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is the image in the TechCrunch article.
00:46:48
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So I think it may have been the only photo
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that was published of this thing.
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And it's just of, it's Phil trying to like really explain
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something and Craig is very sad.
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And like there is just something about this image
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that really is like, it really puts into context.
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There's an image of a young John Turness too
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later on in this article.
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But like it really puts into context,
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Like all of the photos, everyone just looks really downtrodden.
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And there's just something about it, it's very funny to me.
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It's like, "Oh, I'm so sorry."
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With the puppy eyes in these photos.
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By the way, something I just thought of,
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if they ever do another movie about Apple,
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like modern Apple, not Steve Jobs' Apple,
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but like modern Apple, here's my--
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I'm throwing this-- I'm throwing my pitch in the ring for this.
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Eugene Levy as Craig Federighi.
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Oh my God, yes.
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So good that is a plus casting cuz plus
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Little goofy you know yeah, yes, oh, I love it
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All right, we need to get the funding to make this movie happen. We could do it. Okay. You know like Steven can write it
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Yes, I mean obviously
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Obviously mm-hmm who would play John Turnus
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Picture of it was like yep got it nailed it 100% Yes, what about Phil that feels harder to me
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Phil feel mmm
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Savra and the discord were also recommends Paul Rudd for John Ternus, which I would also take hmm
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I feel like that would also work out of this came news
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they're going to build a Mac Pro and they're also going to build what they called a
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a 27 inch iMac, you know, sort of more dedicated to pros and
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There's even a quote in here about you know
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we've talked about this before how the iMac was a consumer machine and over time it sort of spread and
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kind of covered every body that it could and
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You know now
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Years later we see that they were good for their word 2017. We got the iMac Pro in 2019. We got the Mac Pro so
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So and now one of those machines is gone and one is still here.
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But all in all, like I think they were good to their word for this, that not only did
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they reinvest in the Mac's like pro hardware side of things, but even on the bigger picture
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that we're committed to the Mac, clearly that's still true, or we wouldn't be doing things
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like this Apple Silicon transition.
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Do you think that they had made the silicon decision before this or after this?
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I don't know.
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It was, I mean, it had to have been on the table at this point.
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I don't know.
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I don't know how firmly the timelines had been set.
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I do think that like the Intel Mac Pro, I definitely think by the time that it was well
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into development that they, that the die had been cast for Apple Silicon.
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The, the, the proper Mac Pro.
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Yeah, the 2019, the good one.
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The one you had but have sold.
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The one that I have sold to Federico.
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And yeah, it's never gonna show up, buddy, I'm sorry.
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It's gonna get lost in the mail.
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Just like everything else that gets sent to Italy.
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It will come back to you destroyed in six months time.
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I'll just get a giant box
00:50:20
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and there's one Mac Pro foot in it.
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That's all that's left.
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Yeah, so I don't know.
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I think by the time the Mac Pro was well underway,
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they knew what was coming,
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But I think they also knew,
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just like with the Intel transition,
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that the Pro Tower would be last.
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And so that machine was going to be sticking around longer
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than say the Intel MacBook Air that came out in 2018.
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- I was thinking about this
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when we were preparing for the show today.
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And like, it is funny that we mentioned the movie,
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because I did have the thought about this,
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I think yesterday, of like,
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if there's one thing I would love to know,
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like if I could pick one thing about Apple,
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to get a book written about everyone talks about it this would be very high up on that list because
00:51:04
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something had to give for this to happen yeah and i really want to know what that was like what gave
00:51:14
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you know like they were clearly on a trajectory and then they changed course and i don't feel like
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I could point at any one thing that was like, "Oh, this happened."
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So now they ended up completely changing their future.
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Because it really did change the future of Apple.
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I think it was pretty clear at this point where they were moving,
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and it is not where we are now, right?
00:51:44
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Like, they were moving into a different area.
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Like, the Mac was focusing on a different thing,
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and they were maybe putting more of their focus on other platforms.
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and just like that was the way that was going to be.
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And then everything got kind of got upended and I would love to know
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what it was or who it was that convinced someone that this should change.
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Because like it wasn't in response to like a specific thing that happened.
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Like there wasn't like a big news story and then it was like
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obvious that they were going to do this because people were upset for a really
00:52:19
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long time. They were. When we were preparing for the
00:52:21
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show I put in a thing, it was a potential conversation starter of would Apple do this
00:52:25
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for any other product line. And when I wrote it, I just wrote that thing and left it there,
00:52:31
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the only thought that I had was iPad but then thought no it's not as bad.
00:52:35
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No yeah I agree. The hardware is so good right, it's just the software is not good for some
00:52:42
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people, but contrasting that the Mac was bad, the software, nothing exciting was happening
00:52:49
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on Mac OS and all of the hardware options had significant problems. And so like that
00:52:56
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we're not there right?
00:52:57
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- Even with the iPad OS software like it's not catastrophically bad. It's I mean it's
00:53:04
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not you know we can say it doesn't have enough power user options and there's always that
00:53:09
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looming threat of an identity crisis for iPad and iPad OS but it's not a tragedy. I don't
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think they need an apology for iPads.
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No, because the hardware is just incredible on the iPad right
00:53:26
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Like across the board, it's as best as it's ever been.
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Has been for a long time.
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Yeah, yes, yes.
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But the Mac, like--
00:53:34
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but what's fascinating is exactly what Myke said.
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Like, what was it?
00:53:38
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Like, if you were to pin down a specific moment,
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is it just like a culmination of things one after the other,
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you know, blog post after blog post, podcast episodes,
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articles on the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.
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Like, what was it though?
00:53:53
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Like, what was the moment that Tim Cook looked
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at all these options and were like, you know what, enough.
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Like, we're done.
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You gotta change course.
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Like, what was it?
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And I guess, you know, we'll never know probably.
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- Maybe there was an ultimatum.
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Maybe someone said, I'm gonna leave.
00:54:08
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- Yeah, maybe.
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Maybe it was that.
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Because you got to imagine there were high level fights
00:54:13
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in Apple about this anyway, right?
00:54:15
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like debates and you know, this person says this,
00:54:18
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this person says that and they were unhappy.
00:54:20
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Like there had to have been different camps
00:54:23
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because they then had this very strong strategy
00:54:28
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that started almost immediately, right?
00:54:29
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Like someone wanted to do whatever we ended up going down.
00:54:35
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- But there was someone that didn't and they were winning.
00:54:38
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- And it's important to remember like Apple makes
00:54:40
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all of their products with Macs, right?
00:54:43
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like iOS development, Mac OS development,
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their application development,
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all that is happening on Macs.
00:54:52
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And so Apple is a really big customer of its own computers.
00:54:55
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And I remember when the MacBook Pro keyboard is really bad.
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So it kind of in the year or two after the round table,
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hearing from friends at Apple,
00:55:08
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like, yeah, we got to send our laptops in
00:55:10
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just like everybody else,
00:55:12
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and figure out what to do when you're without it.
00:55:14
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And I don't know, I agree with you.
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I don't think from the outside it's clear
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there was one big thing, but really it took today
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preparing for this episode,
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me looking through the entire Mac line at 2017,
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realizing that every single product line
00:55:28
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had a major problem, right?
00:55:30
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That there wasn't a good Mac at this point.
00:55:33
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All of them had some sort of flaw.
00:55:35
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Now that flaw may not have been a big deal to you,
00:55:38
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but to somebody it was.
00:55:40
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And I think it was just like kind of a realization of, wow,
00:55:45
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like no matter kind of where you look in this portfolio,
00:55:48
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there's problems.
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And they slowly over time,
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fixed all of them to a point now,
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I think really the only hole in the lineup is,
00:56:01
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what's the story about a bigger iMac?
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Is the Mac studio really the replacement for it?
00:56:07
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It seems like that's the answer.
00:56:09
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It seems like that's the wrong answer to me.
00:56:11
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But if that's all there is compared to where we were
00:56:16
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Ming-Chi Kuo has reported that Apple will this year announce a new AirPods
00:58:05
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pro model and will discontinue the old version, which is unlike what they have done with the
00:58:11
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regular AirPods. Apparently, Apple has cut the orders for AirPods 3 units as demand has
00:58:21
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been significantly weaker than AirPods 2, according to Kuo, due to "failed product
00:58:27
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segmentation strategy", reading from 9to5Mac. As a refresher, when Apple announced AirPods 3
00:58:32
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last year it simultaneously cut the price at the second generation AirPods and left them in the
00:58:38
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AirPods lineup. Current rumors are indicating that AirPods Pro 2 would feature lossless support,
00:58:43
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a new design and quote "new health" features, I don't know what that means, coming second half of
00:58:48
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2022. I feel like anyone could have predicted this right? Like there wasn't any, well correct me if
00:58:55
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I'm wrong, do AirPods 3 have any features that AirPods 2 doesn't have? Yeah a different design
00:59:02
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that a lot of people don't like.
00:59:03
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- Yeah, but that's not a feature.
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You know what I mean?
00:59:07
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- I know that that is the biggest difference, I think, right?
00:59:11
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- And I don't know if that is what people were looking for.
00:59:16
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- Is it me you're looking for?
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- Special audio?
00:59:25
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No, these AirPods, well, I guess that's the thing.
00:59:30
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- Special audio, yeah.
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AirPods 3rd generation have spatial audio and sweat and water resistance.
00:59:36
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They have a longer battery life.
00:59:38
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But like an hour longer.
00:59:39
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And a magsafe charging case.
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Well AirPods...
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Oh yeah, well yeah sure.
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I mean magsafe in that it snaps magnetically but also like sit back and place it on any
00:59:50
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wireless charging pad and it's fine.
00:59:52
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So apparently skin detecting sensors as well.
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I don't know what that means but it's something that AirPods 3 have that no other AirPods
01:00:00
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including Pro has. I don't know what that means.
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So what I saved for this segment is a little note. Was Sylvia, and I would also add Steven,
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were Sylvia and Steven right about AirPods 3 and continuing to use AirPods 2 instead?
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Going back to a few months ago, you may remember that we purchased a set of AirPods 3 for Sylvia.
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She tried them for a week and she ended up not liking them, and she returned them to
01:00:30
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Apple and she stucked with the AirPods 2.
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And that primarily came down to a couple of things.
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First and the most important one, the design.
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The AirPods 3 were bigger and they were hurting her ears.
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She was not used to the shape, she tried to get used to it, but they were just not comfortable
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enough for her.
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And the second thing is, she just couldn't really appreciate any of the changes in the
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AirPods 3, and she said, "My AirPods 2 are fine, they sound pretty much the same, they
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are more comfortable, they're totally okay, the battery is still okay, they charge wirelessly,
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it's not MagSafe, but I don't care, why should I upgrade to AirPods 3?"
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And I guess that a bunch of people have had this exact same scenario happen to them, including
01:01:22
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So I guess they were right. So I just say people in the discord are telling me
01:01:27
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that the AirPods 2 have spatial audio but with no head tracking. Right right
01:01:33
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okay. Apple's website does not say the second generation AirPods have spatial
01:01:39
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audio at all. Right. So it's hard for me to you know it's hard for me to know
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that. Yeah I mean for me it just it just came down to the fit that yeah I don't
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really care about those other features honestly I mean some of them it's hard
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to even know what they did or meant but the fit on the three just didn't work
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for me and so I've I've stuck with it with the twos and I was very glad to see
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that the twos remain on sale because I was nervous that oh if they like
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outright replace them and these don't work for me what will I do maybe that'll
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still be the case at some point in the future but I've been totally happy just
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sticking with you know what I've known. Yes as Justin was saying in the chat and
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I mean I was big on this at the time that the AirPods third generation have
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the squeeze controls the AirPods Pro do which for me if I was using regular
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AirPods would be a big thing because I really hated the tapping on the AirPod
01:02:38
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you know but again you say this isn't about features for you I mean it's
01:02:43
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different for Sylvia but like for you it was a fit thing right maybe that is a
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thing for a lot of people I don't know I mean genuinely if my read on this is the
01:02:52
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reason that they're not selling as well is that you can now get AirPods for way
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less money I think the price is a big thing and like that's what happened yeah
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I don't think this is like phones right like where people are coming to the
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purchasing decision already kind of knowing what they want not necessarily
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going for the cheaper one and I think for AirPods people were like I will get
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the one that costs whatever like you know the cheap I'm looking at the UK
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site now so I don't want to say 119 pounds because most people won't know
01:03:22
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what that means whatever they cost right now a hundred and twenty nine dollars
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you can get a pod second generation for and I think it really is for a lot of
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people like easy I'll get that one you know yeah it's interesting and I do
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I do wonder if the shape change,
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like if Apple feels like that kind of
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came back to bite them a little bit.
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I mean, I'm sure they have feedback
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on why people return things and that sort of thing,
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but I didn't really thought about the cost that much.
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And I would imagine that's a much bigger reason
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of like, you're just gonna buy a set of AirPods,
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especially as a gift.
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They go, "Oh, I'll just get the cheap ones," right?
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And I'm sure that they sell tons of those because of that.
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the very reason I think that makes a ton of sense.
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- But then to go back to Sylvia's position
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that Federico shared, if you have a good pair of AirPods
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and you hadn't upgraded to the AirPods Pro,
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why would you upgrade to the third generation AirPods?
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- What does it get you?
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You know what I mean?
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Like if for whatever reason the AirPods Pro
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couldn't entice you, I don't know why you would necessarily
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move to the third generation until you got to that point
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where your battery life was really bad or whatever.
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- Exactly, yeah.
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Sometimes you're made the product
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that is just good enough
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and most people just don't feel compelled
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to upgrade over and over because it's good enough.
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And AirPods maybe are one of those categories of things
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that are, you know, it's good enough, I don't need it.
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That's the thing.
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- Yeah, I think you're right.
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I mean, I'm starting to get to that point again,
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not as bad as with my original AirPods.
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Like my AirPods Pro battery life,
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can tell he's worsening. You know like I needed to charge it more frequently.
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Oh on that note I changed my first AirTag battery today. I had a battery run
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out. We've each had one now. Yeah but my other ones are totally fine. Very strange.
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That's how mine was. I had one that I mean it was months ago and all the
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others are totally cool so who knows. I wanted like because it was one on my
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backpack I was like oh is it because I have it with me all the time but the one
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on my keys, which I have more than my backpack, no problem.
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So I don't know.
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While we were talking about AirPods, I wanted to see from the two of you, AirPods Max 2,
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do you think that's going to happen?
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Yeah, yeah, I think so.
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I think they could do some pretty interesting things by pulling the first gen AirPods Max
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and maybe just having AirPods Max 2 with proper support for lossless.
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could be something that we discussed a while back. Maybe even if they stop using Bluetooth.
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There was a rumor a while back that Apple was going to work on a different standard
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than Bluetooth for these wireless headphones. So maybe they could do the Max 2s with that.
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But that's part of the rumor for AirPods Pro 2 is they feature lossless support. And I
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think if they do that, they kind of have to upgrade the Max, right? Like that should be
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the very best listening experience.
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I could see that.
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So pull the Gen 1 from sale, keep the new ones around,
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and they have the faster connectivity and the better audio
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and the lossless and all that.
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And you can continue charging a premium for them.
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Maybe introduce some new color options too.
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That would be cool.
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But yeah, I think they should keep them around
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and I think they should use them as the top of the line.
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Here's the absolute best experience
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that you can get with Apple headphones now with lossless.
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That'd be nice.
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- I mean, if we're gonna make a wishlist
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for AirPods Max 2, right?
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Fold 'em, I wanna fold 'em.
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- I wanna fold them.
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- Have a real caring case.
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- Yeah, I wanna be able to fold them
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and put them in a proper case that Apple provides me.
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And then I'll be happy, because otherwise I love 'em,
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like for traveling, you know,
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like now I've done some traveling again,
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it's like, oh my God, it's fantastic.
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Like for what I need that kind of headphone for,
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They're just superb, but they're so big and they're so cumbersome.
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And also this is probably a weird thing.
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Please make them of a material that is not so cold to the touch.
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Sometimes I grab them and they're freezing.
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They're so cold.
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Yeah, it's not a nice experience made of metal.
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Plus you can make them lighter by making them out of plastic, right?
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Like an apple, you know how to make plastic things look good.
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Like these things don't need to be metal.
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plenty of premium plastic headphones by all kinds of manufacturers. Apple make
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them they're called AirPods right you know just make them out of a nice plastic.
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They're so cold sometimes I touch them like it's very cold anyway yeah gestures will be
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cool on the on the pad but I'm not sure. You know I actually kind of like the button. I do as well
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Well, but it'd be nice sometimes to have...
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Now, with that surface though, it'd be cool to have like, multi-touch gestures.
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No, see, I really don't want that.
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I know why somebody would, and, you know...
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Two-finger swipe on the ear pad.
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Oh god, I don't want to do any of that.
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Pinch and zoom on the ear pad.
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I'll tell you one of the things I really like, right?
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You're on a plane, you're watching a video.
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you want to hear the announcement. You can press both buttons at the same time,
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so you go into transparency mode and pause the thing. That's great. I guarantee you,
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if we've got this like touchpad thing, I won't be able to do that.
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Oh, you know also what? You know what? USB-C.
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Yes, put USB-C on it. Just do it.
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Why are we not in charge of headphones at Apple?
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We should be.
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I think about it sometimes.
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Maybe the touchpad could enable like type to Siri so you could like like Siri and you could write out like
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IP for like skin I
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Think it'd be great
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Thinking for playback controls that was thinking for like text, but you want to be like
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skip back to start of song what you call it like text to play back or something like that where you
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if you if you want to listen to the next chapter, it's in e
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X, T, and then you wait a second, C, H, it would be great.
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- Yeah, you could maybe get them both going
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and like you could do a letter or a timelapse here.
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- Here's a terrible idea, okay?
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- Oh, 'cause that one was a good one?
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- That one was a creative one.
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- Yeah, sure.
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- But here's a terrible idea, okay?
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Picture headphones, so AirPods Max,
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the outside of the ear pad is a display,
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so the people around you can see what you're listening to.
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- That's a bad idea.
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- Terrible idea.
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- Or a transcript of the podcast you're listening to.
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- Hey, what are you listening to?
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Oh no, it's Joe Rogan.
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Oh no, I preferred when you listened in silence.
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- Look, it's not as bad as the Dyson headphones
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with the breathing mask.
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- All right, okay, we can talk about this now real quick.
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I was convinced, do you want,
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Federico wanted to talk about this last week on the show,
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And I was like, no, I don't want to do that because it's 100% in April fools.
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But it isn't.
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What are they doing? Who made this product? Why are they doing this?
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I don't know, man.
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So they announced this pair of urban lifestyle headphones for city living.
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Is that how they're pitching this?
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In this current, you know, society, these headphones are going to help you isolate yourself
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with music and audio, but also breathe better because of it's all kinds of terrible.
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It's not a COVID thing.
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It's not a COVID thing.
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It's like an air pollution.
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Air filtration thing because of pollution.
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Air filtration thing, yes.
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They apparently started this in 2016.
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I think someone just watched the Batman movie with Bane in it and like yes.
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That's the direction we need to go.
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I want to wear a headphones.
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I don't know.
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I just don't know who they think is gonna buy this.
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Who wants to think about this, right?
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So like I want to make the choice that like my city's so unlivable that I'm gonna, you
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know, like oh I want every time I'm listening to Joe Rogan I want to think about something
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he probably denies, which is climate change.
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And you know, like I just, you know,
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oh my God, why?
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It's just so bad.
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I hate this.
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I hate everything about this.
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- It's so good though.
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- I like Dyson as a company.
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I'm so disappointed for this product.
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- I still kind of believe this is like a meme
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or like some kind of joke.
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Like I don't think it's a real product.
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Part of me wants to believe it's not a real,
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because it's so stupid.
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Honestly, it's not even a COVID mask. It's it's a, what is it?
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Is it like a visor before your mouth? I don't really understand what it is.
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It's like a, how would you describe it? Like a barrier in front of your mouth.
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It's I don't even know. It's I hate everything about it.
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what if you took the helmet of Daft Punk but removed the glass and you just have
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this, you just had the structure left, you know,
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- It's so terrible.
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- Anyway, so you see my idea for a display built
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into the pad of the iPhone, it's not so bad now, is it?
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Compared to this.
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- I think that does it for this week.
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You can find Federico on Twitter.
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- Can I just tell you how bad the last week has been for me?
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- People, he sends you, he sent me a spider picture.
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- It's constant, constant.
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I get them nearly every day now.
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- It's terrible.
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- He sends me some kind of spider photo.
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It's rough, man.
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- It's terrible.
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You can find Federico on Twitter, Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
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