Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 369.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by our sponsors,

00:00:14 ◼   ► Trade Coffee, CleanMyMacX, and Pingdom.

00:00:19 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Myke Hurley.

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Hello, sir.

00:00:24 ◼   ► - How are you?

00:00:25 ◼   ► - I'm good.

00:00:26 ◼   ► We're also joined by Federico Vittucci.

00:00:28 ◼   ► - Hey guys.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:30 ◼   ► We've got a big show today.

00:00:32 ◼   ► We have a lot of good stuff.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Are you all big Halloween people?

00:00:35 ◼   ► No.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Um, well, I wasn't one until I discovered the joy of dressing up my dogs.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Oh, here we go.

00:00:47 ◼   ► What do you do?

00:00:48 ◼   ► I don't think I've seen any evidence of this.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Oh, no, I shared pictures.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Oh, well, we didn't do it last year because we were in lockdown again and we were very bummed about it.

00:00:59 ◼   ► But a couple of years ago, we dressed up Zelda as a pumpkin and Ginger as the devil.

00:01:06 ◼   ► And that was incredibly funny.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Poor Ginger.

00:01:10 ◼   ► What did Ginger do to deserve that?

00:01:13 ◼   ► I was like a handmade costume that Sylvia made.

00:01:16 ◼   ► It was incredible. Honestly incredible.

00:01:18 ◼   ► No, but like, why does Zelda get pumpkin?

00:01:21 ◼   ► Ginger is the devil.

00:01:22 ◼   ► The devil.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Because she strikes me as like a very elegant devil.

00:01:29 ◼   ► We believe that Ginger is the more sort of stylish and elegant dog,

00:01:34 ◼   ► whereas Zelda is more of the likes to play rough, you know, kind of...

00:01:40 ◼   ► She's messy and...

00:01:42 ◼   ► - So she belongs in the dirt, hence pumpkin. - Yes, exactly.

00:01:47 ◼   ► is more like and she's you know she's kind of yeah she is she's uh she strikes me as a pumpkin

00:01:52 ◼   ► whereas Ginger was like yes you can be a fancy devil and we were crying like it was just so funny

00:02:00 ◼   ► and ideally uh we would like to dress them up again uh i really wanted to get one of those

00:02:09 ◼   ► skeleton dog costumes for ginger.

00:02:13 ◼   ► I don't think she that's going to be incredible if we find it.

00:02:17 ◼   ► And maybe Zelda, we can dress up as a spider or something. I don't know.

00:02:21 ◼   ► We'll see. You should look into spider costumes for dogs.

00:02:25 ◼   ► They are incredible. I'm not going to look. I don't want to do that.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Stephen, are you a Halloween person? No, but I have children,

00:02:33 ◼   ► so I have to fake it every year. So you have to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

00:02:37 ◼   ► So what we're saying is this is the spooky episode.

00:02:42 ◼   ► Josiah's just wearing the Pikachu outfit

00:02:44 ◼   ► from the podcast-a-thon.

00:02:45 ◼   ► That's his Halloween.

00:02:49 ◼   ► Wait, does that fit him?

00:02:51 ◼   ► It's a little big, but it's close.

00:02:54 ◼   ► He's getting tall.

00:02:55 ◼   ► He's almost as tall as Mary.

00:02:57 ◼   ► No way.

00:02:58 ◼   ► Too long.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Okay, so we have some follow-up.

00:03:03 ◼   ► Steve had a suggestion.

00:03:05 ◼   ► What was the suggestion, Myke?

00:03:06 ◼   ► that the trophy changing that will occur now

00:03:09 ◼   ► at the end of every Ricky's where we have to adapt

00:03:12 ◼   ► our trophies to potentially correct

00:03:15 ◼   ► who is now the annual or keynote chairman

00:03:19 ◼   ► could be called the closing ceremonies of the Ricky's

00:03:23 ◼   ► and I would like to, I endorse this

00:03:26 ◼   ► and I would like to put it to the group.

00:03:28 ◼   ► - Obviously yes, this is a good idea.

00:03:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, I like it. - Okay, great.

00:03:33 ◼   ► So maybe we can add this in as a potential amendment now

00:03:36 ◼   ► 'cause this is how it works.

00:03:37 ◼   ► We're not doing the Ricky's, so we can't.

00:03:39 ◼   ► - Right.

00:03:40 ◼   ► - And we actually might have another amendment

00:03:42 ◼   ► that we might wanna add in a minute,

00:03:44 ◼   ► but there is a, this can now be put forward

00:03:47 ◼   ► as an amendment for future Ricky's discussion

00:03:49 ◼   ► that the final trophy changing

00:03:52 ◼   ► will be the closing ceremonies.

00:03:54 ◼   ► - Currently there are five pending comments

00:03:55 ◼   ► in that part of the Google Doc to deal with.

00:03:58 ◼   ► - Let's just, so let's just do this now.

00:04:01 ◼   ► So there could also be a secondary sub-amendment

00:04:05 ◼   ► to this amendment because of magtricky.com.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Do you wanna tell people what magtricky.com is, Stephen?

00:04:12 ◼   ► - I do wanna talk about magtricky.

00:04:15 ◼   ► Magtricky.com.

00:04:17 ◼   ► Our trophies are amazing.

00:04:19 ◼   ► They make us feel good, they bring joy.

00:04:23 ◼   ► I mean, I'm not currently on it,

00:04:24 ◼   ► so it makes me a little sad,

00:04:25 ◼   ► but it makes me happy for my friends.

00:04:27 ◼   ► We have decided that everyone should be able to take part

00:04:31 ◼   ► in tracking the Ricky winners.

00:04:34 ◼   ► the closing ceremonies, the closing ceremonies.

00:04:37 ◼   ► So if you go to magtricky.com,

00:04:41 ◼   ► this is a site that we have put together in the last week

00:04:43 ◼   ► because this was an idea that happened

00:04:44 ◼   ► after the show on Wednesday.

00:04:46 ◼   ► - Yeah. (laughs)

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Now it's a product.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Magtricky is a magnetic winner,

00:04:54 ◼   ► a magnetic chairman tracker.

00:04:57 ◼   ► So it's a kit, it's a kit.

00:05:00 ◼   ► You get a four inch magnet

00:05:03 ◼   ► That is the connected globe artwork.

00:05:05 ◼   ► And you also get three smaller, very strong magnets, two silver

00:05:11 ◼   ► ones and one gold one.

00:05:13 ◼   ► And you can use those to keep up with who the current chairman are.

00:05:17 ◼   ► So for example, right now, Myke is the annual winner and

00:05:23 ◼   ► Federico is the event winner.

00:05:25 ◼   ► So you would have a silver magnet where the lines cross over London and

00:05:29 ◼   ► one where the lines cross over Rome.

00:05:32 ◼   ► If you are just now realizing that the lines intersect

00:05:35 ◼   ► over the cities where we live,

00:05:37 ◼   ► that's the Easter egg in the artwork

00:05:38 ◼   ► that sometimes we get tweets about it like,

00:05:40 ◼   ► "Oh, I just realized it.

00:05:41 ◼   ► We're playing into this."

00:05:42 ◼   ► But let's say next April,

00:05:45 ◼   ► when I am both the annual winner and the event winner

00:05:49 ◼   ► after the March Apple event,

00:05:52 ◼   ► then you would put the gold magnet over Memphis.

00:05:55 ◼   ► That's how you can keep up with who has won.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Each kit also comes with two stickers of the Ricky artwork

00:06:01 ◼   ► our friend Lex who does the wonderful rickys.co. We're very excited about this. Go check it out.

00:06:09 ◼   ► magtricky.com. Mag? Mag? Mag tricky. Not Mac. Who said Mac? Mag tricky. Okay, okay. Magtricky.com.

00:06:19 ◼   ► It's like magsafe, but it's tricky. It's not safe, it's tricky. So mag tricky. Magtricky.com. So you

00:06:26 ◼   ► get the one main magnet, a set of stickers, and then three smaller magnets so you can track.

00:06:30 ◼   ► A mag tricky pack costs $10 and pre-orders of going from now until November 11th.

00:06:39 ◼   ► Orders will ship by the end of the month from Steven's very own pod cabin.

00:06:43 ◼   ► For some reason, unbeknownst to anybody on this show, except maybe Steven, Steven chose

00:06:49 ◼   ► to do the fulfillment for this project.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Look, he's got a thing for packages, man.

00:06:53 ◼   ► You know, I think he does.

00:06:54 ◼   ► He likes to do it.

00:06:55 ◼   ► I have all this stuff.

00:06:59 ◼   ► I will say though, uh, it does require a little bit of special shipping because

00:07:04 ◼   ► the post office is very specific about mailing magnets.

00:07:10 ◼   ► And the reason is they use metal machines to sort mail.

00:07:15 ◼   ► And so if your package gets sucked to the side of the metal thing, it's in that

00:07:20 ◼   ► was, that was very good. What's that sound. Okay. Is that you?

00:07:24 ◼   ► Yeah. It's like a magnet. Whoa. How are you doing?

00:07:27 ◼   ► air in and then clapping my hands. Oh, it's so good. Have you ever thought about doing

00:07:32 ◼   ► sound effects for like movies or TV shows instead of podcasts? I should. I really should

00:07:37 ◼   ► do that. Yeah. Maybe, you know, if really ever goes under, I can do that. You got to

00:07:43 ◼   ► create a sizzle reel, you know, if you're just making loads of different sounds. Yeah.

00:07:48 ◼   ► So we have to ship them in small boxes. I tested this thoroughly. I shipped things to

00:07:53 ◼   ► myself I got a note from the post office about it it's very complicated so we

00:07:58 ◼   ► have to ship them in little boxes so unfortunately the shipping is more

00:08:00 ◼   ► expensive than we would like I apologize for that it's kind of it's the only way

00:08:04 ◼   ► to get these out so I know it's a little bit of a bummer but we did what we could

00:08:07 ◼   ► so mag tricky calm once you need to start shipping something in a box so

00:08:14 ◼   ► then it's thick enough that the magnets won't stick to something that's magnetic

00:08:17 ◼   ► yep you start hitting some flat rates I know like look hey me and Federico live

00:08:21 ◼   ► outside of the United States of America. So if you live outside the United States

00:08:25 ◼   ► of America, you say this is so expensive to ship to outside the United States of

00:08:28 ◼   ► America, we paid it too, all right? We're all in this together. If you want a mag

00:08:32 ◼   ► tricky and you want to be really super cool and track us with the magnets, pay

00:08:36 ◼   ► the shipping price. If you don't wanna, you also don't have to. Or, you know, you

00:08:41 ◼   ► could fly to Memphis and Steven will hand-deliver them to you in person. That

00:08:47 ◼   ► - That will also is a service that we provide.

00:08:49 ◼   ► - That is quite the promise.

00:08:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's the VIP level treatment.

00:08:54 ◼   ► - You know, love logistics so much, you know.

00:08:57 ◼   ► That's quite a logistical challenge.

00:08:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I guess so.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Yeah, so MagTricky, you have until November 11th

00:09:04 ◼   ► to pre-order and they will be shipping in December.

00:09:09 ◼   ► - MagTricky.com.

00:09:10 ◼   ► - MagTricky.com.

00:09:12 ◼   ► We're very excited about this.

00:09:14 ◼   ► - As you can tell.

00:09:15 ◼   ► So iOS 15.1 came out, right?

00:09:18 ◼   ► It shipped with a toggle for the macro mode thing.

00:09:22 ◼   ► And everyone that I've seen report on this,

00:09:25 ◼   ► including our friend Federico, just says, like,

00:09:27 ◼   ► "Hey, they changed the macro thing

00:09:29 ◼   ► so it doesn't automatically switch anymore."

00:09:31 ◼   ► And that's what we believed was going to happen.

00:09:33 ◼   ► Great news.

00:09:35 ◼   ► I tested this.

00:09:36 ◼   ► It doesn't do the same macro stuff.

00:09:38 ◼   ► And I want to talk about this on the show to see if, like,

00:09:42 ◼   ► I'm doing something wrong here

00:09:44 ◼   ► or if everybody else is experiencing this,

00:09:46 ◼   ► because everywhere that I've read is just like,

00:09:48 ◼   ► hey, they've changed the automatic macro mode switching,

00:09:51 ◼   ► so now it won't do that, and all you have to do

00:09:53 ◼   ► is switch to the ultra-wide camera,

00:09:56 ◼   ► and you can take macro photos.

00:09:58 ◼   ► But if you do this in comparison to side-by-side,

00:10:00 ◼   ► one looks like it's just a really close ultra-wide photo,

00:10:04 ◼   ► and the other, with the automatic switching,

00:10:06 ◼   ► looks like a macro thing.

00:10:07 ◼   ► So they're doing some kind of cropping and something

00:10:10 ◼   ► with the automatic switching

00:10:11 ◼   ► that I don't think they're doing

00:10:13 ◼   ► if you turn off the automatic switching.

00:10:15 ◼   ► So like, I feel like I'm losing my mind here

00:10:17 ◼   ► because why is nobody talking about this?

00:10:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, I feel like it's very confusing

00:10:23 ◼   ► the way that the toggle is phrased.

00:10:26 ◼   ► And I think it's also confusing

00:10:28 ◼   ► because at least in my experience,

00:10:29 ◼   ► you can manually switch to the ultra wide,

00:10:33 ◼   ► get close to the subject,

00:10:35 ◼   ► and it will focus on the subject.

00:10:38 ◼   ► But to your point, I think you're right.

00:10:40 ◼   ► The difference is the auto cropping

00:10:42 ◼   ► because you still get the edge distortion

00:10:45 ◼   ► from the ultra-wide lens if you use this manual mode,

00:10:50 ◼   ► but you are able to focus on a very close subject.

00:10:54 ◼   ► Like I just did it again now.

00:10:56 ◼   ► The camera, if I disable auto macro mode,

00:11:00 ◼   ► open the camera app, switch to the ultra-wide,

00:11:03 ◼   ► get close to this remote in front of me,

00:11:06 ◼   ► it can focus on the buttons of the remote,

00:11:10 ◼   ► but I do see the distortion at the edges of the viewfinder

00:11:15 ◼   ► because I think you're right.

00:11:17 ◼   ► You can make it work and sort of fake your way

00:11:21 ◼   ► around macro mode,

00:11:23 ◼   ► but you get the weirdness of the lens distortion.

00:11:28 ◼   ► Now, I don't understand why.

00:11:31 ◼   ► There can't just be like a section or a button

00:11:36 ◼   ► in the camera app that says macro,

00:11:38 ◼   ► and you open it, like in my mind,

00:11:41 ◼   ► what should happen here is if you disable auto macro mode

00:11:46 ◼   ► and you wanna use macro photography still,

00:11:49 ◼   ► you get a button or you get a section

00:11:52 ◼   ► inside of the camera app.

00:11:53 ◼   ► Otherwise, if I disable auto macro,

00:11:57 ◼   ► what am I supposed to do?

00:11:58 ◼   ► Like if I disable auto macro, like Apple is telling me,

00:12:01 ◼   ► "Hey, do you wanna disable the setting

00:12:03 ◼   ► "that automatically switches lenses for you?"

00:12:06 ◼   ► And I'm like, yeah, I don't wanna have an automatic switch.

00:12:09 ◼   ► I wanna do it manual.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Okay, great, I disabled the switch.

00:12:12 ◼   ► And now Apple seems to tell you,

00:12:14 ◼   ► oh, well, now you're on your own

00:12:16 ◼   ► if you disabled that switch.

00:12:18 ◼   ► We're not gonna give you any button

00:12:20 ◼   ► or any explanation whatsoever in the camera app.

00:12:23 ◼   ► That's very confusing.

00:12:25 ◼   ► - So I just sent you two pictures

00:12:27 ◼   ► and I'll put these in the show notes.

00:12:29 ◼   ► So this is of my wonderful stuffed Ricky

00:12:34 ◼   ► that we got as a beautiful gift.

00:12:35 ◼   ► This is, the camera is from the exact same distance.

00:12:40 ◼   ► The one on the left, or like the first image,

00:12:43 ◼   ► is with, like in ultra wide,

00:12:46 ◼   ► with the auto macro toggle off, right?

00:12:49 ◼   ► And focused on what's going on, like a tap to focus.

00:12:54 ◼   ► And then the one on the right

00:12:55 ◼   ► is with the auto macro mode switching thing.

00:12:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're cropping it.

00:13:01 ◼   ► - But they're cropping it, they're also doing,

00:13:03 ◼   ► I think something like they're doing, I don't know,

00:13:07 ◼   ► some of their sharpening or whatever they do, you know?

00:13:11 ◼   ► And it's vastly different.

00:13:13 ◼   ► It's like it might as well just be

00:13:15 ◼   ► a completely different setting.

00:13:17 ◼   ► This isn't what I think people thought it was gonna be,

00:13:21 ◼   ► which is you'll still get the same results.

00:13:24 ◼   ► All you have to do is just, you'll get the same results,

00:13:28 ◼   ► but now you just have to go into the ultra wide.

00:13:30 ◼   ► They're completely different.

00:13:32 ◼   ► And so I would like an actual proper toggle or something for this,

00:13:36 ◼   ► because right now we don't have that.

00:13:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I hope that in the just released 15.2 beta,

00:13:45 ◼   ► there will be more changes for macro photography,

00:13:48 ◼   ► because like they thought they fixed the problem and they really didn't.

00:13:52 ◼   ► At this point, the camera app is so full of buttons,

00:13:57 ◼   ► I don't understand why just add another one.

00:14:00 ◼   ► I mean, you already have a problem going on with all those UI elements in the camera app.

00:14:07 ◼   ► Adding another button for your major new feature on the 13 Pro, what's the big deal?

00:14:14 ◼   ► Given all the other icons that you already have, I mean, just one more, you know?

00:14:19 ◼   ► Just one more.

00:14:20 ◼   ► I think what this feature actually does is what it says it does, but it's not what people

00:14:24 ◼   ► thought it was going to do.

00:14:25 ◼   ► What it does is it stops the macro switching, but that also turns, like it just disables

00:14:30 ◼   ► that feature in the way that it has been implemented otherwise.

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00:17:29 ◼   ► We now have a bunch of tiny topics to deal with.

00:17:32 ◼   ► Can I talk about AirTags?

00:17:34 ◼   ► Please.

00:17:35 ◼   ► AirTags have been out since the spring, six, seven, eight months, something like that.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Apple has said that the battery should last about a year.

00:17:42 ◼   ► You know, they're very,

00:17:43 ◼   ► the, you know, the little coin batteries,

00:17:49 ◼   ► I forget the number that they are,

00:17:50 ◼   ► CR 3032, I think. - Four.

00:17:52 ◼   ► So just number four.

00:17:54 ◼   ► - Number four, battery number four.

00:17:55 ◼   ► - Number four battery.

00:17:56 ◼   ► - Number four battery.

00:17:58 ◼   ► And I have had my first one die on me.

00:18:01 ◼   ► So the other morning I woke up

00:18:03 ◼   ► and I had a Find My notification saying,

00:18:05 ◼   ► "Hey, the AirTag assigned to your keys,

00:18:08 ◼   ► the battery's getting ready to go.

00:18:11 ◼   ► And by the afternoon it was totally dead.

00:18:14 ◼   ► I would have expected-- - Wow, you got no time.

00:18:17 ◼   ► - I would have expected a little more warning on that.

00:18:19 ◼   ► - Wow. (laughs)

00:18:20 ◼   ► - I don't have those batteries laying around,

00:18:22 ◼   ► so I went and bought a little pack of them

00:18:23 ◼   ► at the drug store.

00:18:24 ◼   ► But the one in my backpack is still like 80%.

00:18:29 ◼   ► The one I keep in my truck is still 100%.

00:18:32 ◼   ► So I don't know what happened with this AirTag,

00:18:36 ◼   ► or maybe because it's on my keys,

00:18:37 ◼   ► like it's just more active. I don't, I don't really know.

00:18:42 ◼   ► Uh, I'm very curious, you know,

00:18:44 ◼   ► if y'all have your phones handy to see how your batteries are doing on your air

00:18:47 ◼   ► tags.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And I want to hear from people if you're having a rapid air tag battery death,

00:18:52 ◼   ► I put, I put new, a new battery in it. It seems fine.

00:18:55 ◼   ► I'm gonna keep an eye on it. If this next one drains fast,

00:18:58 ◼   ► maybe this air tag is a little bit, uh,

00:19:01 ◼   ► how do you check the, uh, oh yeah, there's an icon.

00:19:05 ◼   ► go to items and like click each one of them and you get a little battery

00:19:09 ◼   ► it doesn't give you a number it just gives you an icon so i just sort of mine are all full

00:19:14 ◼   ► they're all full have you left that air tag steven like in the cold for example or

00:19:19 ◼   ► i don't think so i would have figured the one in my truck would have been if any of them were

00:19:24 ◼   ► going to die because of environmental factors that one right because the truck just gets parked in

00:19:28 ◼   ► the sun all the time but i don't know people in the discord are like yeah all of mine are totally

00:19:33 ◼   ► fine so maybe I just had a weird you got a dubbed battery or a dud air tag like

00:19:37 ◼   ► maybe one of the two maybe you have a curse Wow

00:19:41 ◼   ► that's a really good explanation maybe you are cursed did you consider that I

00:19:52 ◼   ► feel like you should have considered that like it's kind of honestly it's

00:19:56 ◼   ► kind of disrespectful that you came to this episode with this problem without

00:19:59 ◼   ► without actually considering if you had a curse first.

00:20:01 ◼   ► Maybe you have like a lithium curse on you.

00:20:06 ◼   ► Maybe you like just suck the lithium out of the battery.

00:20:11 ◼   ► Did you consider that?

00:20:12 ◼   ► Like it is the one that's closest to you most of the time,

00:20:14 ◼   ► like it's in your pocket.

00:20:15 ◼   ► Yeah, you're like a Metroid, but for lithium batteries,

00:20:18 ◼   ► you suck the energy out of them.

00:20:20 ◼   ► Just, you know.

00:20:21 ◼   ► Just take it and you're more lithium than man.

00:20:28 ◼   ► What is oh hang on what is your battery health on your phone?

00:20:33 ◼   ► Well my phone's brand new.

00:20:35 ◼   ► I wanna see what your battery health is. Go take a look at your battery health.

00:20:39 ◼   ► I want to see if maybe you've sucked the lithium out of your phone too.

00:20:43 ◼   ► Settings, battery, battery health. Yeah it's 100%.

00:20:48 ◼   ► Yeah just like two weeks old.

00:20:50 ◼   ► It's 110% so you've got 10% less.

00:20:54 ◼   ► Because you took the lithium right out of it.

00:20:57 ◼   ► Maybe. Maybe you're taking the lithium out of the air tag and putting it into the fun.

00:21:01 ◼   ► So I put a new battery in it and if this if it dies again quickly I'll chalk it up to like a

00:21:07 ◼   ► bum air tag I guess and then maybe I do like try to get applicator replace an air tag like oh that

00:21:12 ◼   ► would be like. Apple totally got me by the way I haven't spoken about this but they've got me so

00:21:16 ◼   ► bad with the air tags. You just have like dozens of them? I bought 12 of them now. That's a lot of

00:21:23 ◼   ► of air tax. What are you tagging bags? So I take so okay, if I buy them, I buy packs

00:21:30 ◼   ► of four right because you're going to find something to do with them. Eventually I have

00:21:36 ◼   ► four and adena has four and now I have bought another four to put on to my suitcase like

00:21:43 ◼   ► one on each of our main suitcase suitcases because we've not used those, but we're hopefully

00:21:47 ◼   ► going to use those in like a month, right? Because I don't want to be changing them over

00:21:52 ◼   ► because they're named, right? So like I don't want one which is like, oh I've got this tag on my

00:21:58 ◼   ► backpack, right? And then take that tag and put it on my suitcase and rename it every time because

00:22:04 ◼   ► I'm going to get confused, right? So I now just have like, well I was going to say a million,

00:22:09 ◼   ► I don't have a million, I have exactly 12 air tags. It's a good product! Yeah it really is.

00:22:14 ◼   ► That's a very good product, like I like when I, you know, like I've got my bag, like I put it,

00:22:19 ◼   ► you know, I put it somewhere, I leave and it's like, "Hey, you forgot your bag!"

00:22:22 ◼   ► I will say that that feature, the left behind feature, very unreliable for AirPods.

00:22:27 ◼   ► Like I have my AirPods in my pocket, and I think I just saw Emma talking about this in the Discord,

00:22:32 ◼   ► and it's like, "Hey, you forgot your AirPods!"

00:22:34 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Ah!"

00:22:36 ◼   ► And I'm like, "No, I haven't."

00:22:37 ◼   ► I don't know why it keeps telling me this.

00:22:38 ◼   ► It keeps telling me I forgot my AirPods, bro.

00:22:41 ◼   ► But the thing, I like it, right?

00:22:42 ◼   ► It's like, "Hey, you left your bag here."

00:22:43 ◼   ► Like it's just, I like that that feature works.

00:22:46 ◼   ► It works very reliably.

00:22:47 ◼   ► So at the time when I do actually forget my bag, it's not that it's purposely been left somewhere.

00:22:52 ◼   ► I'll really appreciate it.

00:22:54 ◼   ► Anchor has some fancy new things.

00:22:57 ◼   ► I've come back to the show with a whole list of MagSafe products.

00:23:00 ◼   ► It is weird that I'm the one who keeps bringing all these MagSafe products to the show,

00:23:04 ◼   ► but yet I own none of them.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Yeah, because you're afraid of wireless charging.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Maybe because subconsciously you are craving the MagSafe lifestyle,

00:23:14 ◼   ► But now you put up this persona that you hate magnets.

00:23:19 ◼   ► Let me tell you something.

00:23:21 ◼   ► So I got my new phone, right?

00:23:23 ◼   ► And I got a popsocket for it, as I want to do.

00:23:26 ◼   ► And the popsocket wasn't sticking for like a day.

00:23:29 ◼   ► It just kept falling off.

00:23:30 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, it's come for me.

00:23:32 ◼   ► Because people write into me and they're like,

00:23:34 ◼   ► how do you get the popsocket to work?

00:23:36 ◼   ► It's like, oh, just stick it to the phone.

00:23:37 ◼   ► Like, no, it's impossible.

00:23:38 ◼   ► And popsockets say, do not stick them to the phones

00:23:40 ◼   ► because it won't work.

00:23:41 ◼   ► So I was like, oh, my luck has run out.

00:23:43 ◼   ► So I ordered one of the MagSafe ones,

00:23:45 ◼   ► but then my PopSocket fixed itself

00:23:49 ◼   ► and it actually now sticks.

00:23:50 ◼   ► So I do have a MagSafe PopSocket now.

00:23:53 ◼   ► So I could, if I ever wanted to actually move over

00:23:56 ◼   ► to that thing and make it my lifestyle.

00:24:00 ◼   ► But nevertheless, I'm not here to talk about that today.

00:24:02 ◼   ► I'm here to talk about MagGo.

00:24:04 ◼   ► It's not as good as MagTricky.

00:24:06 ◼   ► MagGo, which is Anker's new line of products.

00:24:10 ◼   ► They have a whole selection of them.

00:24:11 ◼   ► I want to talk to you about three of these today.

00:24:14 ◼   ► They have the battery stand, which is a battery pack.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Now, of course, all of these things, it's worth saying,

00:24:20 ◼   ► it's not actually official MagSafe,

00:24:22 ◼   ► it charges at the slow speeds, right?

00:24:23 ◼   ► All of these things charge at the 7.5 watt slow speed,

00:24:26 ◼   ► right?

00:24:28 ◼   ► This is a battery pack, you know,

00:24:30 ◼   ► like the MagSafe battery pack,

00:24:33 ◼   ► that has a fold-out stand on the back of it,

00:24:35 ◼   ► so you can have it on your phone

00:24:37 ◼   ► and you can prop your phone up.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So what they've done is they've taken MagSafe and then they took Federico's idea of kickstands

00:24:45 ◼   ► and just merged them together. Exactly, so they have that. That's product one.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Then they have this other product which is like a phone mount and battery pack. So it's one of the

00:24:56 ◼   ► battery packs that you slide into this little mount so you can like, I don't know, dock your

00:25:01 ◼   ► phone, right? So you put it up in your phone, you know, like a little stand you put on your desk or

00:25:05 ◼   ► or whatever, but you can also, anytime you want,

00:25:07 ◼   ► take that thing out of there and your phone's all ready

00:25:10 ◼   ► to go and it also has a Qi charger in the base

00:25:13 ◼   ► for your AirPods Pro.

00:25:14 ◼   ► So now it's like, it's a phone docking station,

00:25:17 ◼   ► it's a battery pack, you know, are you getting it?

00:25:20 ◼   ► It's all of those things in one.

00:25:22 ◼   ► But the big one, the one that everyone's talking about,

00:25:24 ◼   ► the one that people in the MagSafe forums,

00:25:26 ◼   ► they're just going wild for this week.

00:25:29 ◼   ► - Why is everybody talking about this?

00:25:31 ◼   ► - Because people like it and this does look like

00:25:33 ◼   ► genuinely very cool product. It's called the charging station. It is a ball, looks

00:25:39 ◼   ► like a Nexus Q. It's a little ball. Good pull. And it's, yep, anytime. It's got a

00:25:44 ◼   ► MagSafe charger on one side, on the other side, two USB-C charges, two USB-A

00:25:50 ◼   ► charges, and three AC outlets. So it sits on your desk, can power everything you

00:25:57 ◼   ► own only one little ball for a hundred bucks. I like it. I really want that

00:26:03 ◼   ► product but at the moment I think they only have it available in America so it's

00:26:07 ◼   ► not as helpful for me. Well order a Mac tricky how to stuff it in a tiny box for

00:26:12 ◼   ► you. Then I can't plug anything into it can I? That's fine. When I bought my new

00:26:17 ◼   ► desk I got a Foley's clamp mounted surge protector. I'll put a link in the

00:26:23 ◼   ► shown us now and it's really great to have outlets and this has USB A and C

00:26:29 ◼   ► and C is power delivery just like at your desk surface you don't like fish

00:26:33 ◼   ► around on the floor it's uh it's really nice I like having power just available

00:26:39 ◼   ► you know mm-hmm this one looks even nicer yeah yeah no the had this thing

00:26:45 ◼   ► been out I would have done this instead of the fully thing I think but you know

00:26:49 ◼   ► Well you could still do this. I could I could do that. You can have all the power. I could do both.

00:26:53 ◼   ► I like that it's a ball. I don't think this has a lithium battery in it so you'd probably be okay.

00:26:58 ◼   ► That's good. I also have some uh some pretty important news. We're gonna get distinguished

00:27:03 ◼   ► for a second. Oh okay. This is like distinguished stuff for like only the most distinguished of

00:27:09 ◼   ► Apple fan. I have here an Apple polishing cloth. In the box, unopened. I guess one question

00:27:20 ◼   ► that I now realise, do I just not open this and it become a collector's item or do I open

00:27:25 ◼   ► it? Now I do have a bit of a, I don't remember if I said this in the show, I have a confession

00:27:29 ◼   ► to make about the Apple polishing cloth. I just bought it, I just bought it, I saw it

00:27:35 ◼   ► in the store, like you know I bought my MacBook Pro, I was rushing to order my MacBook Pro

00:27:38 ◼   ► last week and they were like hey do you want this polishing cloth and I

00:27:42 ◼   ► immediately thought yes I do this was before it became like a funny thing to

00:27:45 ◼   ► own it just my brain was like yes I want this I think it's adorable that all y'all

00:27:50 ◼   ► are excited about this as someone who has had one for months and months and

00:27:55 ◼   ► months did you get a review unit well you know I can't really talk about where

00:28:00 ◼   ► it came from no it comes with the probe display XDR is it the same one with the

00:28:05 ◼   ► Apple logo on it? Uh-huh yeah let me get it. But how am I gonna know it's the same

00:28:09 ◼   ► one just because you have it? I gotta get out of its case hang on. You have it in a special like

00:28:12 ◼   ► perspex box or something? Yeah yeah so it's great it has the Apple logo sort of

00:28:18 ◼   ► debossed into one corner of it a little Apple logo. So I now have one of these

00:28:23 ◼   ► okay do I open it on the show or do I keep it in the box forever? You should

00:28:26 ◼   ► open it you should open it. You need to think about your retirement and you know

00:28:30 ◼   ► any future possible children you know that could benefit from the investment

00:28:34 ◼   ► of leaving it in the box.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - I'm touching mine.

00:28:38 ◼   ► I'm using mine right now.

00:28:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, me too.

00:28:41 ◼   ► - Clean the display in front of me.

00:28:43 ◼   ► And here.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - It does feel like maybe not like a really good idea

00:28:47 ◼   ► to invest like in a Mac collection

00:28:50 ◼   ► or like an Apple focus collection.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - Really?

00:28:53 ◼   ► - I don't know, that feels like irresponsible.

00:28:54 ◼   ► So I should probably open it.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - You know, it's weird.

00:28:57 ◼   ► My financial advisors have something similar

00:28:58 ◼   ► about what to see now.

00:29:00 ◼   ► - None of these people know what they're talking about.

00:29:01 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:29:02 ◼   ► - All right, are you ready?

00:29:03 ◼   ► I'm gonna open this little pull tab

00:29:04 ◼   ► to see if we can get some ASMR action.

00:29:06 ◼   ► I don't think that was very satisfying.

00:29:08 ◼   ► So it comes in a little paper pouch.

00:29:10 ◼   ► Oh, look at this.

00:29:11 ◼   ► Now I take it out.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Oh, it's, so it'll fold.

00:29:14 ◼   ► Oh, there's another piece of card in the middle that says,

00:29:17 ◼   ► "Safe for use on all Apple displays and surfaces

00:29:20 ◼   ► "for infrequent cleaning of hard-to-remove smudges

00:29:23 ◼   ► "on nano-texture glass, a 70% isopropyl alcohol IPA,"

00:29:28 ◼   ► which is also a beer, so maybe that's it.

00:29:30 ◼   ► Could also use beer on it.

00:29:31 ◼   ► Solution may be used.

00:29:33 ◼   ► Right, because you could have the nano texture XDR or Intel iMac.

00:29:38 ◼   ► Yeah, so here we go, I have a cloth.

00:29:40 ◼   ► I'll clean my microphone with it, hold on.

00:29:42 ◼   ► There you go.

00:29:44 ◼   ► That wasn't an Apple product, so it probably just voided the warranty of the cloth.

00:29:49 ◼   ► Try it on your yellow iMac you're sitting in front of.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Oh, it's really grippy!

00:29:53 ◼   ► I nearly pulled the iMac off the stand.

00:29:56 ◼   ► This is grippier than your average microfiber cloth.

00:29:59 ◼   ► So, all right, I have this now.

00:30:02 ◼   ► Congratulations to me, I suppose.

00:30:03 ◼   ► - Congratulations, welcome to the club.

00:30:05 ◼   ► - Big cloth boys over here.

00:30:06 ◼   ► - I do love that it's become a meme.

00:30:10 ◼   ► I love it so much.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's the best thing to happen in a while.

00:30:14 ◼   ► And it's just incredible.

00:30:15 ◼   ► Like how all the memes on Twitter and the jokes are,

00:30:19 ◼   ► it's the perfect product to have some fun,

00:30:22 ◼   ► poke some fun, some lighthearted fun at Apple right now,

00:30:26 ◼   ► because they made a cloth.

00:30:27 ◼   ► I love it.

00:30:28 ◼   ► It's like very reminiscent of the book, right?

00:30:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know who would have bought that.

00:30:34 ◼   ► The picture book?

00:30:35 ◼   ► But even more, because it's such a like,

00:30:38 ◼   ► like it's like a functional thing.

00:30:40 ◼   ► Like it's a piece of cloth,

00:30:41 ◼   ► but nobody usually has opinions about a polishing cloth.

00:30:46 ◼   ► And here we are talking about it.

00:30:49 ◼   ► And it's so lovingly ridiculous.

00:30:51 ◼   ► I love it.

00:30:53 ◼   ► The fact that we're even discussing a polishing cloth

00:30:55 ◼   ► is just perfect.

00:30:57 ◼   ► It's peak 2021, really.

00:30:59 ◼   ► - I'm having good fun now polishing everything I own.

00:31:02 ◼   ► It's all getting polished now.

00:31:06 ◼   ► - Wow, its delivery date is pushed

00:31:08 ◼   ► to January 11th through the 25th.

00:31:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:31:13 ◼   ► That is amazing.

00:31:17 ◼   ► - That might be a bit much, huh?

00:31:19 ◼   ► I'm cleaning everything now though.

00:31:21 ◼   ► It's all getting cleaned over here.

00:31:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, looking at pictures, this is exactly what I have.

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00:33:14 ◼   ► that? Yeah. Let's start with AirPods 3. So these are the new AirPods. The AirPods 2

00:33:21 ◼   ► are still for sale, so the 3D kind of takes the middle spot in the lineup.

00:33:24 ◼   ► They of course look like AirPods Pro with the shorter stems and the gestures,

00:33:29 ◼   ► you know, the little squeezy thing, it's not really a gesture. What would you call

00:33:33 ◼   ► that? Little squeeze mechanism. I don't know what to call that. I don't know what

00:33:40 ◼   ► to think about these. Federico, what do you think? I like them personally. I think

00:33:45 ◼   ► they are a better fit for me compared to the AirPods 2. I believe because

00:33:51 ◼   ► because they're slightly bigger, like the shape of the AirPod itself that goes in-ear

00:33:59 ◼   ► is bigger than the AirPods 2.

00:34:02 ◼   ► And for me, that creates a slightly, slightly better seal, which results in, again, slightly

00:34:11 ◼   ► better sound quality.

00:34:13 ◼   ► Now it doesn't provide any sort of isolation from outside noise, and, you know, like you

00:34:20 ◼   ► can hear sort of everything around you. But I like the smaller case than the

00:34:28 ◼   ► AirPods Pro. I like that it's MagSafe, so it kind of it attaches to the MagSafe

00:34:35 ◼   ► portion of the stand that I have, and there's like this AirPod case sort of

00:34:39 ◼   ► floating on it, which is kind of funny. And I like the squeeze gestures myself,

00:34:45 ◼   ► like, they're consistent with the AirPods Pro, they don't have the same, like, base for example,

00:34:52 ◼   ► because, like, those are in-ear earbuds and, you know, they create a much better seal,

00:34:59 ◼   ► especially if you're using memory foam tips, so you don't have the same base as the AirPods Pro,

00:35:05 ◼   ► but it's a good approximation of that, and the shape works for me. I like them.

00:35:11 ◼   ► However, I will bring to the show an opinion, which is Sylvia's opinion.

00:35:17 ◼   ► Like her first reaction was, "Oh, these are bigger than the AirPods 2.

00:35:23 ◼   ► I don't like them.

00:35:26 ◼   ► They hurt my ears compared to the AirPods 2."

00:35:30 ◼   ► And I have to wonder if this is a factor that Apple considered in leaving the AirPods 2

00:35:35 ◼   ► also for sale with a price cut.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Because these are, like when you do a side by side comparison, you see it immediately.

00:35:42 ◼   ► These are bigger than the AirPods 2, and you have to believe that they're not gonna fit

00:35:47 ◼   ► some people's ears just as well as the older AirPods did.

00:35:53 ◼   ► I think I'm Team Sylvia on this.

00:35:58 ◼   ► Regular AirPods fit me pretty well.

00:36:00 ◼   ► You know, some people have trouble with them falling out.

00:36:01 ◼   ► I don't.

00:36:03 ◼   ► And these they're a little bit bigger, but they're, they're rounder.

00:36:08 ◼   ► I think I feel like front to back is where the size differences and they fit in my ears.

00:36:14 ◼   ► But I noticed yesterday I wore them during a workout and I noticed that my ear, like

00:36:18 ◼   ► I was just very aware of it the whole time.

00:36:20 ◼   ► I'm going to give them a few more days, but at this point, if I decide to send them back,

00:36:26 ◼   ► I think I would, uh, think I'd decide to send them back, which makes me really glad they

00:36:31 ◼   ► kept the AirPods two around.

00:36:33 ◼   ► I still have AirPods that fit.

00:36:36 ◼   ► But yeah, I mean, this is the problem, you know,

00:36:39 ◼   ► with something that's not customizable, right?

00:36:41 ◼   ► These are either going to fit and feel comfortable

00:36:43 ◼   ► or they're not.

00:36:44 ◼   ► - Exactly, yeah.

00:36:46 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna keep them myself for now

00:36:49 ◼   ► as like Nintendo Switch headphones.

00:36:51 ◼   ► Now that the Nintendo Switch can be paired

00:36:53 ◼   ► with Bluetooth headphones,

00:36:55 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna use them for that.

00:36:58 ◼   ► I don't wanna wear like full-size headphones

00:37:01 ◼   ► when I'm playing video games at night,

00:37:03 ◼   ► and I don't wanna unpair and manually repair my AirPods Pro

00:37:08 ◼   ► back and forth between the iPhone, iPad,

00:37:11 ◼   ► and the Nintendo Switch, which is a separate device.

00:37:13 ◼   ► So I think I'm gonna keep the regular AirPods

00:37:16 ◼   ► as Nintendo Switch headphones.

00:37:18 ◼   ► Right now, I am trying them as regular AirPods

00:37:21 ◼   ► paired with my iPhone.

00:37:23 ◼   ► I think I like, but I don't wanna have like a,

00:37:27 ◼   ► like this is not like my final opinion, if you will,

00:37:30 ◼   ► because it's just been like, what, 24 hours with them.

00:37:33 ◼   ► I like that I don't have to worry

00:37:36 ◼   ► about the in-ear tip anymore,

00:37:39 ◼   ► but I feel like going forward,

00:37:43 ◼   ► like this is just a novelty effect,

00:37:45 ◼   ► going forward I know myself

00:37:47 ◼   ► and I know that I will miss the custom memory foam tips

00:37:51 ◼   ► that I have for my AirPods Pro and the seal they create

00:37:55 ◼   ► and the fact that I can, you know,

00:37:57 ◼   ► Even the small things, like I can vacuum clean

00:38:01 ◼   ► and I don't hear the noise of the vacuum

00:38:04 ◼   ► because of noise cancellation, that kind of stuff.

00:38:07 ◼   ► That will not be possible with the AirPods 3.

00:38:10 ◼   ► So realistically, now I'm using them

00:38:13 ◼   ► because I'm testing them as real AirPods.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Realistically, these are gonna be

00:38:17 ◼   ► my Nintendo Switch headphones.

00:38:19 ◼   ► - I've had the question before,

00:38:21 ◼   ► so I thought I would address it here too,

00:38:24 ◼   ► about why I don't like the AirPods Pro

00:38:27 ◼   ► and it really is the rubbery fit.

00:38:32 ◼   ► I just don't like that feeling

00:38:34 ◼   ► of being completely sealed off like that.

00:38:38 ◼   ► And I use in-ear monitors for recording.

00:38:41 ◼   ► I'm wearing them right now.

00:38:42 ◼   ► If you watch the Podcastathon, I have them in for that.

00:38:45 ◼   ► But those are like custom molded

00:38:48 ◼   ► and I have the hard resin one.

00:38:50 ◼   ► So I don't even have rubber tips on these.

00:38:52 ◼   ► And so they're made like perfectly for my ear.

00:38:54 ◼   ► And if I take one out and look at the diameter,

00:38:56 ◼   ► the diameter that sits in my ear, it actually,

00:39:00 ◼   ► the contour of that looks very similar to the AirPods 2 and a much smaller than

00:39:04 ◼   ► the AirPods 3. So we'll see how this goes. I'm glad they're options.

00:39:09 ◼   ► I think this is like a really nice upgrade from the AirPods 2. Yes,

00:39:13 ◼   ► you don't get the active noise cancellation you get in the pros,

00:39:16 ◼   ► but you do get something that is nicer. That seems to sound better,

00:39:20 ◼   ► better battery life. So, so yeah, I think if they work for you, that's fantastic. I

00:39:26 ◼   ► just don't know if they work for me. And I guess Sylvia and I have similar ear situation

00:39:32 ◼   ► going on. Yeah. It would be going to FaceTime and like compare ears sometime. Yeah. That's

00:39:39 ◼   ► no weird at all. You could do that. Hello. I've returned to the show. Hello. Uh, I, hello.

00:39:47 ◼   ► I wouldn't be able to live, I mean, I'm not considering these, but like similarly to Federico,

00:39:54 ◼   ► like the reason I didn't even think about them is I really like transparency and noise

00:39:57 ◼   ► cancellation so I would not be able to give that up even though I know I would find these

00:40:01 ◼   ► more comfortable because I'm not a super big fan of the in-ear thing like I mentioned before

00:40:05 ◼   ► the left one just tends to fall out for me but I will accept that because I like the

00:40:10 ◼   ► features so much but what I want to ask you Steven is are you just going to give up on

00:40:14 ◼   ► AirPods because the style that you wear is going to go away and they have moved to a

00:40:21 ◼   ► style that is not for you. Are you going to start looking at other products?

00:40:26 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's definitely a concern. The AirPods 2 are still, they remain

00:40:32 ◼   ► a product in the lineup. They did get a new charging case that's compatible with MagSafe.

00:40:37 ◼   ► So like, maybe that's going to stick around as the cheap ones for a long time. But I do

00:40:41 ◼   ► have that worry in the back of my mind now that, oh boy, the ones that really work for

00:40:46 ◼   ► me may slowly go away. I don't know. I hope not.

00:40:51 ◼   ► Maybe it's not worth thinking about for now, right? For that reason. I could imagine if

00:40:55 ◼   ► someone would have said this to you when you had the Apple Watch Series 3, right? You'd

00:40:59 ◼   ► be laughing 25 years later when they're still selling it. So maybe it'd be a similar thing

00:41:05 ◼   ► with AirPods. And I actually do think they will probably keep around and support that

00:41:09 ◼   ► version of AirPods for a long time because they will like to keep just making that cheaper

00:41:13 ◼   ► and cheaper and cheaper.

00:41:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I think Apple wants AirPods to be well into the no thought territory,

00:41:21 ◼   ► you know, sort of what's what I'm looking for.

00:41:24 ◼   ► The impulse buy.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Impulse buy.

00:41:27 ◼   ► And they're closer, but the lower they can get them, I think the better.

00:41:30 ◼   ► I think Apple just wants AirPods everywhere.

00:41:32 ◼   ► So I'm hopeful that I can just stay on the cheap ones forever.

00:41:35 ◼   ► Did you buy new ones?

00:41:36 ◼   ► Because your battery was dying, right?

00:41:38 ◼   ► you sucked the lithium out of them? I did also my right one went through the

00:41:42 ◼   ► washer and dryer before the event that I ordered a set of air pods to just in

00:41:49 ◼   ► case yeah the threes didn't work out and the twos were gone so I actually have a

00:41:54 ◼   ► brand new set of air pods to here as well and I kind of decided like I got to

00:41:58 ◼   ► pick one it's in the other one back and I think I want to stay with the twos

00:42:01 ◼   ► probably. Did you notice that Federico like that it's another product where the

00:42:05 ◼   ► batteries just gone. Look honestly I think it's a thing. It died because it went through the washer and dryer. No you were having you were having

00:42:15 ◼   ► battery issues too that's what I remember. I mean I was a little bit and I was like

00:42:19 ◼   ► oh maybe there'll be new ones at work but then then the right one definitely

00:42:22 ◼   ► got murdered because it got washed and dried. Was that the most exciting product

00:42:26 ◼   ► you received this week? Not even close. Go on then, MacBook Pro time. MacBook Pro time. I

00:42:34 ◼   ► I also got a lot of magnets in the mail.

00:42:36 ◼   ► - Mine is still in China, I think.

00:42:38 ◼   ► - Oh no!

00:42:39 ◼   ► - It was shipment picked up in Shanghai two days ago

00:42:45 ◼   ► and there's been no updates on it since.

00:42:47 ◼   ► But my delivery window was up until Tuesday

00:42:49 ◼   ► of next week anyway, so we'll see.

00:42:52 ◼   ► - I did see that your calendar is in the UK now, by the way.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, stop tracking my stuff, will you?

00:42:56 ◼   ► - Well, you're like, I just, I wanna see how long it takes.

00:43:00 ◼   ► I did get a MacBook Pro.

00:43:02 ◼   ► As spoken about last time on my desk is a 14 inch

00:43:05 ◼   ► with the M1 Pro, space gray.

00:43:08 ◼   ► I got it set up last night.

00:43:12 ◼   ► I used Thunderbolt to do migration assistant.

00:43:15 ◼   ► Man, Thunderbolt is so fast when you have things

00:43:17 ◼   ► that actually support it.

00:43:17 ◼   ► - Are you a big migration person?

00:43:19 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, man.

00:43:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, you just move on to the other.

00:43:22 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, there's stuff on like my home folder

00:43:24 ◼   ► or my Lismac Pro that probably dates from like 2008.

00:43:27 ◼   ► I mean, it goes way back.

00:43:29 ◼   ► It's fun too because all my USB-C stuff is just USB-C.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Like I never actually get to use Thunderbolt for anything.

00:43:36 ◼   ► It's the only thing that's that fast.

00:43:38 ◼   ► As it migrated super quickly, which was really fun.

00:43:43 ◼   ► So I've got it set up.

00:43:45 ◼   ► I used it all morning.

00:43:46 ◼   ► This morning I went out to a coffee shop

00:43:47 ◼   ► and worked for a couple hours and just on the laptop.

00:43:50 ◼   ► - Whoa, what year is it?

00:43:52 ◼   ► - I know, it was weird.

00:43:53 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:43:54 ◼   ► - That must have felt good.

00:43:55 ◼   ► - It did, yeah.

00:43:57 ◼   ► I'm boosterized now, so you know, I can just--

00:43:59 ◼   ► - That's true.

00:44:00 ◼   ► - Could do what I want.

00:44:01 ◼   ► - That's true.

00:44:02 ◼   ► - Masks are required unless you're actively eating

00:44:03 ◼   ► or drinking, 'cause there's also that.

00:44:05 ◼   ► And it's still spaced out.

00:44:06 ◼   ► They have like every other table taken out of the shop.

00:44:09 ◼   ► - Don't get confused and accidentally smash a muffin

00:44:12 ◼   ► into your mask.

00:44:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:15 ◼   ► - Pour coffee down my face.

00:44:16 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:19 ◼   ► So yeah, so I have some thoughts.

00:44:21 ◼   ► I don't know what order y'all wanna go in

00:44:22 ◼   ► or if you wanna ask questions of how we wanna do this, but--

00:44:25 ◼   ► - Why don't we start with size and design?

00:44:27 ◼   ► Let's start with size and design.

00:44:29 ◼   ► It's real.

00:44:30 ◼   ► I don't know why you ask what order.

00:44:32 ◼   ► You've written an order in our document.

00:44:33 ◼   ► Why not just go in that order?

00:44:36 ◼   ► Well, I don't know.

00:44:36 ◼   ► Maybe you wanted to like,

00:44:37 ◼   ► maybe you thought the display was more important

00:44:38 ◼   ► than size and design.

00:44:40 ◼   ► Can I have your conclusion first, please?

00:44:42 ◼   ► It's a fantastic laptop.

00:44:44 ◼   ► The best Apple's made in a long time.

00:44:46 ◼   ► I'm too jealous of you right now.

00:44:47 ◼   ► What did Gray say?

00:44:48 ◼   ► I was listening to "Cortex" this morning.

00:44:51 ◼   ► It was like, it's from like the angels of heaven

00:44:53 ◼   ► or something.

00:44:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a computer given down from the angels of heaven.

00:44:57 ◼   ► And he doesn't even have one yet, because we recorded it a few days ago, but that's

00:45:00 ◼   ► how excited he is.

00:45:02 ◼   ► So you do notice the thickness right away, but here's the thing.

00:45:07 ◼   ► The 14 inch is the same thickness as the old 13 inch it replaces.

00:45:13 ◼   ► It's just a boxier design.

00:45:15 ◼   ► So if you look at the outgoing MacBook Pro model, I guess it's not outgoing because you

00:45:20 ◼   ► can still buy the 13 inch, the display is tapered so that it pulls the same trick as

00:45:25 ◼   ► the old Intel iMacs do where it's like thick in the back and then thinner at the edges,

00:45:31 ◼   ► a little junk in the iMac trunk. And with this MacBook Pro, like it's just boxy and flat. Clearly

00:45:38 ◼   ► they have to like fit a display in here, you know, with all the fancy mini LED and everything that

00:45:43 ◼   ► it has, but it makes it appear thicker than it actually is, but actually the same thickness

00:45:49 ◼   ► going from the 13 to the 14. Now the new 16 inch is slightly thicker than the

00:45:55 ◼   ► Intel 16.66 inches point six four. I don't have any 16 inch machines here so I

00:46:01 ◼   ► can't speak to that but it does feel and look thicker than it that it actually is

00:46:06 ◼   ► but I think that's all down to the boxiness the feet you know like an

00:46:11 ◼   ► apples product imagery it's like oh my gosh this thing is on stilts in practice

00:46:15 ◼   ► it the feet like it looks just like the other MacBook Pros in terms of height

00:46:20 ◼   ► off the desk like it doesn't feel like they're up on casters or you know big

00:46:25 ◼   ► stands or anything who would put a computer on casters am I right who would

00:46:29 ◼   ► put computer on wheels silly you know mine's not on wheels anymore kind of

00:46:34 ◼   ► makes me sad I had to put feedback on it well you could you put it up right you

00:46:38 ◼   ► put it yeah cuz it's on like a side table yeah you should have built chalks

00:46:41 ◼   ► for it. I'm gonna be really nervous. Just hoping to earthquake. Yeah I will say this if you get one

00:46:52 ◼   ► of these 14 inches and it may be true for the 16 as well and the bag you use is like pretty form-fitting

00:47:00 ◼   ► that may be a deal like something you have to deal with so I use the Tom Bensinik 22 the little one

00:47:08 ◼   ► and it's made for a 13 inch laptop, this machine fits in there but after like

00:47:15 ◼   ► scrape the edge of the computer right past the zipper, so it's very tight, so I

00:47:20 ◼   ► think I'm probably gonna move, I have the bigger Cinec as well, I'm probably gonna

00:47:23 ◼   ► go back to that. So I thought you were gonna do your favorite thing in the

00:47:27 ◼   ► world. And buy a bag. Bag shopping, yeah. I do love bag shopping. You love bag

00:47:31 ◼   ► shopping. But I have a bigger Cinec that I probably will end up using, so just

00:47:36 ◼   ► Keep that in mind, like if you have like a sleeve

00:47:39 ◼   ► or something that may be something you have to think about.

00:47:43 ◼   ► Like I said, the feet aren't a big deal at all.

00:47:46 ◼   ► You don't notice them when you're working on the machine.

00:47:48 ◼   ► A couple of things about like the top half of the computer.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Like I said, the lid is perfectly even in terms of depth.

00:47:55 ◼   ► It gives it this boxy look that I just,

00:47:57 ◼   ► I love the way this thing looks.

00:47:59 ◼   ► The Apple logo is bigger than the previous 13 inch,

00:48:04 ◼   ► by like a noticeable amount.

00:48:06 ◼   ► I opened it and I was like, "Oh, I made my apple!"

00:48:09 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:48:10 ◼   ► - Why would they do that?

00:48:11 ◼   ► That's such a strange thing to do.

00:48:14 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:48:15 ◼   ► I usually end up with like a single sticker

00:48:17 ◼   ► on the back of my laptops in the center

00:48:18 ◼   ► to cover the Apple logo.

00:48:19 ◼   ► I'm sure I'll do the same this time.

00:48:21 ◼   ► And MacBook Pro is not on the lower bezel, which I like.

00:48:25 ◼   ► I like that it's gone again.

00:48:26 ◼   ► It's come and gone over the years.

00:48:28 ◼   ► But it's etched into the aluminum on the bottom.

00:48:34 ◼   ► And I thought it looked cool in the keynote,

00:48:36 ◼   ► but I was a little afraid that it would look cheesy

00:48:38 ◼   ► in person, but it looks so cool.

00:48:41 ◼   ► And like no one will ever see it unless you're carrying

00:48:43 ◼   ► the laptop around, but it looks cool.

00:48:45 ◼   ► - It's gonna pick up some nice lint and gunk over time.

00:48:48 ◼   ► - Probably.

00:48:49 ◼   ► - Up in the bottom there, it's nice.

00:48:52 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:48:53 ◼   ► The other things in terms of size and design, I guess,

00:48:57 ◼   ► the keyboard being set in the black keyboard well,

00:49:00 ◼   ► which is double anodized,

00:49:03 ◼   ► So it should not, you know, wear off over time.

00:49:06 ◼   ► It looks super cool.

00:49:09 ◼   ► Now I got the space gray.

00:49:10 ◼   ► I kind of wish I had done the silver.

00:49:12 ◼   ► So I think the contrast would look better with the silver,

00:49:15 ◼   ► but even on the space gray,

00:49:16 ◼   ► like the black keyboard well,

00:49:18 ◼   ► and the black keys look really sharp.

00:49:21 ◼   ► I mean, this machine,

00:49:22 ◼   ► like it's instantly recognizable as a MacBook Pro,

00:49:25 ◼   ► but also like everything is different from previous ones.

00:49:29 ◼   ► And it's kind of a neat effect.

00:49:32 ◼   ► And I think the coolest looking thing about the keyboard is touch ID.

00:49:37 ◼   ► Previously on the MacBook pro was like a black glass little square, like round

00:49:43 ◼   ► rec you would press.

00:49:44 ◼   ► And on these it's like it is on the keyboards, like the one Myke you've taped

00:49:49 ◼   ► to the underside of your desk, or it's a key and has a touch ID ring in it.

00:49:53 ◼   ► That's the first time it's been with the Mac book pro and it's in black with a

00:49:56 ◼   ► black ring and it just looks super cool and stealthy.

00:49:59 ◼   ► And yeah, see, that's cool because the.

00:50:01 ◼   ► The iMac ones I think.

00:50:03 ◼   ► They have a silver ring so they didn't color match the ring.

00:50:06 ◼   ► Talking about color matching though actually,

00:50:08 ◼   ► why is the MagSafe silver?

00:50:10 ◼   ► - I know, it should have been space gray.

00:50:12 ◼   ► - Like they just made a computer

00:50:14 ◼   ► and like color matched to five colors, right?

00:50:17 ◼   ► Or six colors or whatever on the iMac.

00:50:19 ◼   ► Every single cable is like anodized and color matched.

00:50:22 ◼   ► They only had to do two, you know?

00:50:25 ◼   ► Come on, come on.

00:50:26 ◼   ► - More color inconsistencies from Apple lately.

00:50:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I bet they give it a different name too.

00:50:31 ◼   ► but it's like mag green.

00:50:36 ◼   ► It's actually green.

00:50:38 ◼   ► Like if you look at it under a specific render,

00:50:40 ◼   ► it will look really green,

00:50:41 ◼   ► but when you get it in front of you,

00:50:42 ◼   ► it just looks silver, like all of Apple's colors.

00:50:45 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:50:46 ◼   ► Yeah, pro products.

00:50:47 ◼   ► - I do kind of wish it was color maps.

00:50:49 ◼   ► That would have been a nice touch.

00:50:50 ◼   ► Again, maybe this predates the new color stuff.

00:50:54 ◼   ► Like I think what we'll really see

00:50:56 ◼   ► is if the MacBook Air gets the iMac colors,

00:50:59 ◼   ► which is I think rumored now,

00:51:01 ◼   ► those should definitely be color matched.

00:51:03 ◼   ► And hopefully they could do that here as well.

00:51:05 ◼   ► Maybe they'll end up with a space gray one

00:51:07 ◼   ► for sale down the road.

00:51:08 ◼   ► Sometimes Apple does that,

00:51:09 ◼   ► they'll mix up the finishes on their accessories.

00:51:12 ◼   ► And so maybe in the future,

00:51:13 ◼   ► you could get a space gray MagSafe cable,

00:51:16 ◼   ► I think that'd be sick.

00:51:17 ◼   ► Man, y'all, having MagSafe,

00:51:21 ◼   ► like I got this thing out of the box,

00:51:23 ◼   ► got my Thunderbolt cable out,

00:51:25 ◼   ► had it on my table in my studio,

00:51:27 ◼   ► and I just clicked in the MagSafe,

00:51:30 ◼   ► and it was the most memory intensive thing

00:51:33 ◼   ► I've had with a computer in a long time.

00:51:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, the sense memory.

00:51:36 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:37 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:51:38 ◼   ► It was great.

00:51:39 ◼   ► - If this was a TV show,

00:51:40 ◼   ► the camera would have zoomed into your eye, you know?

00:51:42 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:51:43 ◼   ► - It would have gone into like something in the pot.

00:51:44 ◼   ► - And you see a little tear in the corner.

00:51:46 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:51:47 ◼   ► Magnets.

00:51:48 ◼   ► It's not a tricky magnet.

00:51:50 ◼   ► And it is, I mean, obviously like it's thinner.

00:51:55 ◼   ► Max safe three is a different layout than Max safe one and two on the max were, but

00:52:01 ◼   ► it feels and sounds just the way you remember it.

00:52:05 ◼   ► It's it's so good.

00:52:06 ◼   ► I'm so glad it's back.

00:52:08 ◼   ► I actually have bought a second max safe cable because I want to keep one at my desk and

00:52:11 ◼   ► one in my bag.

00:52:13 ◼   ► It is also cool though that you can still charge via USB C. So where I'm shipping everything

00:52:19 ◼   ► on the table that's set up, I have a little dongle for multiple USB because I have the

00:52:25 ◼   ► printer and the scale and everything.

00:52:27 ◼   ► And then I have a USB-C power cable.

00:52:29 ◼   ► And so I could just took, I just took this laptop and sat it down where the old one had

00:52:33 ◼   ► been sitting for shipping last night.

00:52:36 ◼   ► And it was great.

00:52:37 ◼   ► It was like, Oh yeah, this, like they didn't sacrifice that.

00:52:41 ◼   ► But the MagSafe is really cool.

00:52:43 ◼   ► If you have used a machine with that before in the past, this is going to feel very familiar

00:52:46 ◼   ► to you and very good.

00:52:48 ◼   ► We'll talk about the display.

00:52:50 ◼   ► What's next?

00:52:51 ◼   ► Yeah, did you just immediately disable the coolest feature?

00:52:55 ◼   ► No, I tried the 120Hz for a while.

00:52:59 ◼   ► I actually didn't notice it as immediately as I do on iOS.

00:53:03 ◼   ► And I was talking to Jason and Underscore earlier today for an episode of Fusion that

00:53:08 ◼   ► will come out this evening or tomorrow or sometime soon.

00:53:11 ◼   ► That's a relay for membership, by the way.

00:53:13 ◼   ► If you go to get connect to Pro.co, not only do you get longer ad-free episodes of Connect,

00:53:18 ◼   ► every week. You also get access to some other member content like Fusion, which is a monthly podcast featuring a rotating panel of Relay FM hosts talking about a specific topic.

00:53:28 ◼   ► Jason and David kind of put their finger on it for me, like not all apps support it.

00:53:33 ◼   ► Oh, that's why. It was fine for you because it wasn't working.

00:53:36 ◼   ► Oh yeah, because I'm like in Todoist and Chrome. But then I went over to Photos, I was like, "Oh my gosh, everything is moving so quickly."

00:53:45 ◼   ► So yes, I lasted a couple of hours and I was like, okay, yeah, I can't I can't do this, but that's okay

00:53:50 ◼   ► It is really nice

00:53:52 ◼   ► What I was hoping for and what is not present as far as I can tell is the thing that's on

00:53:58 ◼   ► iOS where you cap the promotion at 60, but it can still go down to slower refresh rates

00:54:06 ◼   ► With the MacBook Pro you just lock it. You can't say like an accessibility

00:54:13 ◼   ► there's not an option to say cap it at 60.

00:54:16 ◼   ► I wish there was because I feel like I could--

00:54:18 ◼   ► - That could affect your battery life.

00:54:19 ◼   ► - Yes, that's what I'm a little worried about.

00:54:21 ◼   ► And I feel like on my phone and iPad,

00:54:24 ◼   ► my battery life situation isn't really affected by it

00:54:26 ◼   ► because it can go down,

00:54:28 ◼   ► but you don't allow it to go higher than 60.

00:54:31 ◼   ► Maybe it's an implementation issue,

00:54:33 ◼   ► but I would really like to see that

00:54:35 ◼   ► as an accessibility option

00:54:37 ◼   ► so I don't feel penalized in the battery department.

00:54:40 ◼   ► Whether it makes a big difference or not in practice,

00:54:41 ◼   ► It's like it's way too soon to know right these machines have been out for two days

00:54:44 ◼   ► but I

00:54:46 ◼   ► Just like had the thought in the back of my mind. It's like oh this this this label might as well say kill your battery

00:54:52 ◼   ► bit of a bummer there to be honest the 14 inch size is

00:54:57 ◼   ► just

00:55:00 ◼   ► perfect

00:55:01 ◼   ► It is definitely bigger than 13 in terms of real estate physically

00:55:06 ◼   ► it's not much bigger, but the 14 inch is just it's a great size for a notebook.

00:55:12 ◼   ► You know, it's a secondary machine for me.

00:55:13 ◼   ► If I was working on it and just on it, I may want the 16, but I really like this

00:55:19 ◼   ► like Goldilocks in between size.

00:55:20 ◼   ► And I'm so glad.

00:55:21 ◼   ► I mean, this has been rumored for years and I'm so glad that it ended up shipping

00:55:25 ◼   ► as a 14.2 inch panel because the difference between that and the 13 is noticeable.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:55:32 ◼   ► It feels bigger, right?

00:55:33 ◼   ► Like you, you notice it.

00:55:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:35 ◼   ► And because I migrated like it's it remembers things like how tall your todoist window was and I have that always in the left side

00:55:42 ◼   ► And it's like oh, there's a bunch of space here at the bottom

00:55:45 ◼   ► I can just make this a little taller if I want to and so it definitely gives you some more breathing room and

00:55:49 ◼   ► the the mini LED really does look I

00:55:53 ◼   ► Mean it looks spectacular like if you go into a video play a video and you got the black bars at the top and bottom

00:55:59 ◼   ► they are just

00:56:02 ◼   ► dark dark dark black and

00:56:05 ◼   ► The blooming that you get sometimes on the iPad Pro

00:56:08 ◼   ► Which I haven't seen because I don't have a 12.9 inch iPad Pro, but I've seen images of it

00:56:14 ◼   ► you know people talking about it and

00:56:16 ◼   ► I really can't I really don't seem to notice any blooming on this

00:56:21 ◼   ► You know where you have like a bright

00:56:23 ◼   ► Like if you start it up and you have like the silver or white Apple logo on a black screen

00:56:27 ◼   ► Even on my pro display XTR

00:56:30 ◼   ► There's a glow around that Apple logo a little bit because they don't have as many dimming zones on the protosplex

00:56:36 ◼   ► Dr. Is this thing but they seem to have addressed that somehow and it just the screen looks

00:56:42 ◼   ► I mean, it just looks really really nice

00:56:45 ◼   ► I'm grateful

00:56:47 ◼   ► What do you use a laptop for like what where what are you gonna use this good question?

00:56:53 ◼   ► Because you have a big old

00:56:57 ◼   ► million dollar computer, right?

00:56:58 ◼   ► Like that you do, like what are you using the laptop for?

00:57:02 ◼   ► - So, I mean, obviously anytime I'm working,

00:57:04 ◼   ► not at my desk.

00:57:06 ◼   ► And so there's a lot of times throughout the year

00:57:07 ◼   ► when it's nice outside that I want to work in the yard

00:57:11 ◼   ► or, you know, if I'm working inside

00:57:12 ◼   ► or like at a coffee shop or something

00:57:13 ◼   ► where I want to work on a Mac.

00:57:15 ◼   ► I don't really work on an iPad at all anymore.

00:57:18 ◼   ► And not that I ever did really,

00:57:20 ◼   ► but it's definitely just fallen off.

00:57:23 ◼   ► And so anytime that I'm working away from this desk,

00:57:26 ◼   ► I'm on a laptop and when we used to travel it was a production machine, you know recording editing streaming and

00:57:35 ◼   ► This machine will fulfill that again. I'm hopeful that next year will will be out on the road some but

00:57:40 ◼   ► You know for me, it's just it is a secondary machine like today, you know

00:57:46 ◼   ► I've been was out this morning and then I recorded diffusion and I'm doing connected

00:57:50 ◼   ► I got to edit both of those this afternoon

00:57:53 ◼   ► Like it would just be asleep, you know on the side table somewhere because I'm gonna use the Mac Pro

00:58:00 ◼   ► But anytime I'm away from it now even if I'm just in the house and I have something to do

00:58:05 ◼   ► That's you know more than just looking at slack or discord. I reach for a laptop

00:58:10 ◼   ► Does your laptop mostly live in the house and holds it most of it in the studio and you go get it like I?

00:58:16 ◼   ► Keep it in the studio

00:58:19 ◼   ► But it will often go into the house if I feel like I've got something that evening that I need to need to do

00:58:25 ◼   ► Of course right now is a little bit different too because I am doing the fulfillment stuff and so

00:58:30 ◼   ► I'm using it more out here because I'm not I don't have that stuff hooked up to my desktop

00:58:34 ◼   ► But we'll see in the before times before all the shipping stuff took place

00:58:40 ◼   ► I I would easily keep it in my backpack actually so I could just easily take it in or out

00:58:45 ◼   ► It's very good the other thing about the display that I I've just realized looking at it you do you remember when they first?

00:58:53 ◼   ► Laminated the iPad display, and it felt like oh my gosh these pixels. I'm like are on the glass

00:58:59 ◼   ► There's a little bit of that going on with this laptop. I it's not

00:59:05 ◼   ► That exact change, but there's something maybe it's the smaller bezels

00:59:10 ◼   ► It really seems like these pixels are like really close to you in a way. That is very nice

00:59:18 ◼   ► the the image seems very

00:59:21 ◼   ► On top of the glass if you will

00:59:24 ◼   ► Mmm, okay fair enough makes um the notch is totally fine

00:59:29 ◼   ► Okay, there's definitely some weirdness with it

00:59:32 ◼   ► Our friend Quinn Nelson is all over the news right now because he made this video that went viral about

00:59:37 ◼   ► complaining about the notch. I texted him this morning like, "How are your mentions?"

00:59:40 ◼   ► I couldn't tell if he was being serious or not.

00:59:44 ◼   ► That's hard to tell with Quinn, you know?

00:59:47 ◼   ► I think it's like the mystique, right? The Quinn Nelson mystique.

00:59:50 ◼   ► I couldn't tell. I think at first it wasn't serious.

00:59:54 ◼   ► He does have a mystique about him.

00:59:56 ◼   ► Yeah. I could not tell if he was being for real or not.

01:00:02 ◼   ► But maybe that's part of it.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Look, the guy's just like walking, talking clickbait, I guess.

01:00:09 ◼   ► That's true, I guess.

01:00:10 ◼   ► I guess he's like, he has really sucked in what it is to be a YouTuber.

01:00:14 ◼   ► I should say, there's already an episode linked in the show notes, because you mentioned the

01:00:18 ◼   ► Nexus Q, but our podcast is back.

01:00:20 ◼   ► Flashback, back for season three.

01:00:22 ◼   ► Started last week.

01:00:24 ◼   ► We're talking about the IBM PC.

01:00:25 ◼   ► Relay.fm/flashback.

01:00:26 ◼   ► Dude, that's a really hard thing to say.

01:00:30 ◼   ► Relay.fm/slash.

01:00:31 ◼   ► Slash.

01:00:32 ◼   ► Flashback.

01:00:33 ◼   ► slash back slash slash slash slash slash slash back splash back splash back

01:00:45 ◼   ► splash splash splash splash splash splash splash splash splash splash

01:00:57 ◼   ► Splash, splash, splash.

01:00:59 ◼   ► Splash, splash cast.

01:01:00 ◼   ► This is a show about swimming.

01:01:04 ◼   ► So what was I even talking about?

01:01:05 ◼   ► I don't know man, something about the quench.

01:01:07 ◼   ► Oh, the notch.

01:01:08 ◼   ► Oh, the notch, yeah.

01:01:09 ◼   ► Are you using those utilities that a lot of developers have made, like hide the notch

01:01:15 ◼   ► or...

01:01:17 ◼   ► I always find them kind of silly.

01:01:21 ◼   ► They are, I'll give you this, they are a really clever way to make a bunch of money.

01:01:27 ◼   ► that oh yeah the top-notch people are just like raking it in yeah so TJ sent

01:01:32 ◼   ► this one in to me oh it's free top notch is free top notch is free but it is

01:01:36 ◼   ► promotion it's clever it's free so people will go download it because it's

01:01:40 ◼   ► promoting their other apps one of my very very favorite Mac apps which is

01:01:45 ◼   ► clean shot which is clever if you ever take a screenshot on your Mac this is

01:01:49 ◼   ► the app you should use because it is absolutely superb do you use clean shot

01:01:54 ◼   ► either use clean no but I'm checking it out right now oh my god clean shot is

01:01:58 ◼   ► John does good it's so good wait it's a subscription for a screenshot it's worth

01:02:05 ◼   ► it okay I don't think it's a subscription it is they have a they

01:02:09 ◼   ► have a one of those like Steven is one of those people subscriptions no I

01:02:14 ◼   ► don't mind subscriptions that was just surprised stop you have to stop you have

01:02:18 ◼   ► have to stop you can buy it and then they also have like upload to the cloud

01:02:24 ◼   ► so okay that's the subscription okay right so they have two products okay I'm

01:02:29 ◼   ► sorry clean shot X I did not mean to sell your two good name mm-hmm I would

01:02:33 ◼   ► say they're not sponsoring this episode not clean shot but home about like that

01:02:37 ◼   ► well they are but it's not what is this is part of setup it's in setup okay if

01:02:42 ◼   ► you're a setup customer you can they shot in that as well so what top notch

01:02:46 ◼   ► does is that overlays black pixels over your top of your wallpaper uh-huh which

01:02:53 ◼   ► is cool I don't care like not splash flash not back top splash notch flash

01:03:00 ◼   ► cast box then I was just fine like it's it is a I mean you see it like but I

01:03:07 ◼   ► think it will fade over time I will say there is some bugginess around and

01:03:10 ◼   ► that's what Quinn is pointing out in his serious or not serious video where for

01:03:15 ◼   ► me at least what happens is the menu bar apps if you're not running something

01:03:19 ◼   ► like bartender or someone talk about a second they go under the notch they

01:03:23 ◼   ► don't wrap to the other side so then you have like back plays under the notch

01:03:28 ◼   ► somewhere and you don't know that it's running and you can't see it because

01:03:31 ◼   ► it's hiding out behind there but you can click it I think so so in Quinn's thing

01:03:36 ◼   ► he puts the battery behind the notch and clicks it and the battery thing pops

01:03:39 ◼   ► down yeah it's like I saw the two bones say and I think this might be the case

01:03:43 ◼   ► the people building menu bar like the menu items what are they called like

01:03:47 ◼   ► when it's like file edit what is that menu menu bar what is that just menus

01:03:52 ◼   ► but then what's the ones with the little icons like taxi spanner and like menu

01:03:58 ◼   ► bar apps alright so oh geez alright so the menu bar items they knew about the

01:04:05 ◼   ► notch and can move around it but people doing the menu bar apps things maybe

01:04:09 ◼   ► didn't I don't know oh like maybe they're just not allowed to go to the

01:04:12 ◼   ► other side so it's just like we'll just sneak on it. I don't know. And of course this is gonna be worse

01:04:15 ◼   ► than the 14 and the 16 because the screen is just smaller, the notch is the same size.

01:04:20 ◼   ► You know this is definitely the reverse sure-locking a bartender and the thing

01:04:25 ◼   ► that I have switched on that I used to not use, I used a long time ago and then

01:04:29 ◼   ► I didn't, now I am again, is the the option in bartender to show things in a

01:04:37 ◼   ► separate menu bar oh yeah yeah so you get like a little secondary menu bar

01:04:43 ◼   ► lower down yeah I'm gonna have to turn that because mine just like it just

01:04:47 ◼   ► spreads across the menu bar right yep but like I'm looking at my iMac right

01:04:51 ◼   ► now and I've got so many things it's gone past the camera so that's too far

01:04:55 ◼   ► if it's me it's the same on my on my MacBook Pro so so you you want to click

01:05:01 ◼   ► the use bartender bar to show hidden items and then it drops down below the

01:05:05 ◼   ► notch and it's totally fine.

01:05:07 ◼   ► Um, the developer of bartender has released a beta that has some

01:05:12 ◼   ► better support for the notch, but you know, it's a work in progress.

01:05:16 ◼   ► He found out about this the same time the rest of us did.

01:05:18 ◼   ► But, um, using the bartender bar has been enough to clear it for me.

01:05:22 ◼   ► So yeah, in practice, you know, this will just take a little time, I think

01:05:25 ◼   ► for developers to wrangle it and then, and then we'll be all set.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Um, I do love that the cursor goes behind it and then comes up the other side.

01:05:32 ◼   ► That's very fun.

01:05:33 ◼   ► It's like, Oh, where's it go?

01:05:34 ◼   ► It's gone.

01:05:35 ◼   ► I like it.

01:05:35 ◼   ► - Let's just hide it down.

01:05:36 ◼   ► - Let's hide it a little.

01:05:37 ◼   ► - Actually, now I turn this on.

01:05:38 ◼   ► The Bartender bar is a better UI.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - I think it is too.

01:05:42 ◼   ► And it picks up the color of your menu bar.

01:05:44 ◼   ► So mine is like a kind of a greenish brown

01:05:47 ◼   ► 'cause I use a satellite photo for my wallpaper

01:05:50 ◼   ► and it's colored the same.

01:05:52 ◼   ► It just pops down right below.

01:05:53 ◼   ► It's nice.

01:05:54 ◼   ► A couple of just miscellaneous things.

01:05:56 ◼   ► The speakers are great, but they're still laptop speakers.

01:05:58 ◼   ► You know, you're not gonna replace your home pod

01:06:00 ◼   ► with a MacBook Pro, but they sound great for a laptop.

01:06:03 ◼   ► I have not missed the touch bar yet.

01:06:06 ◼   ► So it's nice having function keys.

01:06:09 ◼   ► Dictation is now a dedicated function key

01:06:12 ◼   ► as it's been on some of the other Magic keyboards

01:06:14 ◼   ► for a while, but now it's come to the MacBook Pro.

01:06:17 ◼   ► You also have a do not disturb button

01:06:19 ◼   ► and no launchpad button like I do on my desktop one.

01:06:24 ◼   ► So, you know, pros don't use launchpad, I guess,

01:06:27 ◼   ► is what we're saying.

01:06:28 ◼   ► - I mean, that's accurate though, right?

01:06:30 ◼   ► - Can you believe launchpad is still in macOS?

01:06:32 ◼   ► I mean, why get rid of it, I suppose is the thinking, right?

01:06:35 ◼   ► Just leave it there forever, but.

01:06:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

01:06:40 ◼   ► So yeah, all in all, it is as impressive as it seemed

01:06:45 ◼   ► in the keynote.

01:06:46 ◼   ► There's nothing about it in person that has been a let down

01:06:50 ◼   ► compared to what I thought after the event

01:06:52 ◼   ► and reading about it and seeing hands-on videos

01:06:55 ◼   ► by people on YouTube and stuff.

01:06:57 ◼   ► So really, I think Apple's at a home run here.

01:07:02 ◼   ► and if you're looking for a powerful notebook

01:07:05 ◼   ► and it works in your budget,

01:07:06 ◼   ► 'cause you can expect these to be pretty expensive,

01:07:08 ◼   ► but if this is the machine for you, now is the time.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Apple really has resolved so,

01:07:14 ◼   ► I mean, basically everything wrong

01:07:15 ◼   ► with the previous generation.

01:07:17 ◼   ► - I can't wait to get mine.

01:07:19 ◼   ► - What is it coming?

01:07:20 ◼   ► - I don't know, the shipping is sometime before the second,

01:07:24 ◼   ► so next week.

01:07:25 ◼   ► - Okay, very cool.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Federico, have y'all ordered one?

01:07:29 ◼   ► You were going to, I forget.

01:07:30 ◼   ► Not yet, we are going to, but not yet.

01:07:33 ◼   ► We're still trying to sell some of the older stuff that we have,

01:07:38 ◼   ► and we just don't want to keep sort of growing the pile of Apple computers that we have.

01:07:45 ◼   ► So we're trying to get rid of some inventory, if you will.

01:07:50 ◼   ► And also, like, Sylvia still needs to make a decision as to which model she wants to buy.

01:07:56 ◼   ► I think I'm going to go with the 14-inch myself,

01:07:58 ◼   ► but first I really want to sell this Mac Mini.

01:08:00 ◼   ► Or at least I want to make sure that I have a buyer

01:08:04 ◼   ► for the Mac Mini before.

01:08:05 ◼   ► - You don't want to sell the Mac Mini.

01:08:06 ◼   ► I can, you know, sell the Mac Mini,

01:08:11 ◼   ► order the MacBook Pro, wait to January.

01:08:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

01:08:15 ◼   ► No, I want to, yeah, I mean, I want to make sure that,

01:08:18 ◼   ► you know, there's a smooth, peaceful transition in place.

01:08:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, you want to, what is it?

01:08:24 ◼   ► Like a peaceful transition of power

01:08:27 ◼   ► - Machine to machine.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - So we will get two of them, but we haven't yet.

01:08:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm also selling a bunch of stuff.

01:08:36 ◼   ► It's like a slow moving process,

01:08:38 ◼   ► but spring clean time over here.

01:08:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I got my MacBook Pro go for sale, the old one.

01:08:43 ◼   ► And then-

01:08:45 ◼   ► - Then your Mac Pro.

01:08:46 ◼   ► - And then I sold an old iPad Pro back to Apple

01:08:51 ◼   ► 'cause I just didn't want to deal with selling it online.

01:08:53 ◼   ► So I traded in and it's great.

01:08:55 ◼   ► - You know, our friend David's box has texted me

01:08:57 ◼   ► philosophy episode and he's like oh man that protos plays really nice it's true

01:09:01 ◼   ► but I got him back I've been talking to Casey about it Casey's trying to get me

01:09:05 ◼   ► to make it okay to forgive him for buying it oh really yeah interesting I

01:09:12 ◼   ► didn't know this is an interesting development I didn't know we're putting

01:09:15 ◼   ► everyone on blast here but I did get on us I did get a sparky back though

01:09:20 ◼   ► because he then continued listening to the episode and I got to be the person

01:09:24 ◼   ► who put in his mind that he's definitely gonna end up with two of

01:09:26 ◼   ► those magnet pros, which is 100% his future.

01:09:30 ◼   ► - We talk a lot more about that on the MPU

01:09:33 ◼   ► that's coming out on Sunday.

01:09:34 ◼   ► Also in that episode, we'll be talking a lot about

01:09:38 ◼   ► macOS Monterey, which is our final topic for today,

01:09:40 ◼   ► but let's take our last break.

01:09:42 ◼   ► - Can I just say before we do,

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01:09:50 ◼   ► He wants to do a Mac story.

01:09:52 ◼   ► - He's the Mac event chairman.

01:09:54 ◼   ► - I guess so, yeah.

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01:11:33 ◼   ► macOS Monterey.

01:11:34 ◼   ► Yeah, so I put in this topic because I mean it's the big macOS release that came out a

01:11:42 ◼   ► couple of days ago and I sort of wanted to discuss some of the highlights with you guys.

01:11:49 ◼   ► I'm a pretty simple man here and my one and only highlight is the shortcuts app on the

01:11:54 ◼   ► Mac.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Did you think it is the highlight of this release?

01:11:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it's in kind of a rough state.

01:12:05 ◼   ► Steven, you wrote about a really sad UI element

01:12:10 ◼   ► in shortcuts for Mac, which is, I believe,

01:12:13 ◼   ► a list picker UI.

01:12:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:12:17 ◼   ► - That is really just bad and kinda,

01:12:20 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure the way I described it to John was,

01:12:24 ◼   ► it looks like a web form from a bank website in the '90s.

01:12:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:12:29 ◼   ► - Oh my God, that's such a good comparison.

01:12:32 ◼   ► - It kinda looks like that.

01:12:33 ◼   ► And there's a bunch of similar UIs in shortcuts for Mac right now.

01:12:37 ◼   ► There are so many weird interactions in the Mac version of shortcuts.

01:12:45 ◼   ► Like, I was playing around with it this afternoon.

01:12:48 ◼   ► I put together a shortcut that I'm going to talk about in a couple of minutes as an example of some of the limitations that you can find here.

01:12:56 ◼   ► One of the things that I needed to do was I selected an empty parameter field in an action.

01:13:03 ◼   ► And when you do that on an iPhone or iPad, the variable row appears above the keyboard, right?

01:13:13 ◼   ► And you can tap those suggestions to add a variable to the empty parameter field.

01:13:21 ◼   ► So let's say, for example, that you need to show an alert on screen.

01:13:26 ◼   ► when you click into the empty field for the alert,

01:13:30 ◼   ► right above the keyboard, you see the suggestion bar

01:13:33 ◼   ► with the variables, and you tap the variable

01:13:35 ◼   ► and you add it to the action.

01:13:37 ◼   ► Very easy.

01:13:38 ◼   ► On the Mac, there's no automatic suggestion bar

01:13:44 ◼   ► or list whatsoever.

01:13:46 ◼   ► You need to right-click into the empty parameter,

01:13:51 ◼   ► and then there's like a contextual menu

01:13:55 ◼   ► that pops up and lets you,

01:13:57 ◼   ► and there's an option that says Choose Variable.

01:14:00 ◼   ► And I just thought that was very weird,

01:14:02 ◼   ► because I'm used to, oh, I click on an empty parameter,

01:14:06 ◼   ► the app helps me out.

01:14:09 ◼   ► It shows me previously created variables.

01:14:12 ◼   ► Here, I click into it, nothing happens,

01:14:16 ◼   ► and I need to figure out, oh, I guess it's a right-click

01:14:19 ◼   ► to show the contextual menu to pick an option.

01:14:24 ◼   ► It's just a couple of extra steps that I do not exactly appreciate in shortcuts.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And there's just these inconsistencies between the iPad version and the Mac version.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Like, for example, you need to double-click shortcuts from the main view,

01:14:46 ◼   ► the grid view of the app, if you want to open them.

01:14:51 ◼   ► and they have replaced the "more", like the ellipsis button, with the play button on the Mac.

01:15:00 ◼   ► I just don't understand why there have to be different interactions.

01:15:04 ◼   ► I guess, yeah, double click is a Mac thing, right?

01:15:09 ◼   ► Double clicking doesn't exist really on iPadOS as a way to confirm your action,

01:15:15 ◼   ► But I wonder if it was more important to prioritize

01:15:19 ◼   ► consistency with shortcuts rather than consistency

01:15:22 ◼   ► with Mac OS in general.

01:15:24 ◼   ► And that's a fascinating question for Apple in general

01:15:27 ◼   ► right now.

01:15:28 ◼   ► Do you prioritize consistency with apps coming from iPad OS

01:15:34 ◼   ► and users coming from those apps?

01:15:37 ◼   ► Or do you prioritize consistency with existing Mac users

01:15:41 ◼   ► and existing Mac apps?

01:15:42 ◼   ► and that's a fascinating problem to solve if you're Apple.

01:15:45 ◼   ► But me personally, as a shortcuts for iPad user

01:15:49 ◼   ► coming into the Mac version,

01:15:51 ◼   ► I thought it was weird that I had to double click

01:15:53 ◼   ► to open a shortcut.

01:15:54 ◼   ► Anyway, I tried to put together,

01:15:58 ◼   ► I tried to update one of my existing shortcuts

01:16:01 ◼   ► that take a link from Safari and save the link to Trello.

01:16:06 ◼   ► Pretty easy stuff, right?

01:16:08 ◼   ► I wanna take a webpage and save it as a new item

01:16:11 ◼   ► in a Trello board. The problem is that on iOS and iPadOS, this shortcut runs as a

01:16:18 ◼   ► Sharesheet shortcut. I open Safari, I'm on the page I want to save, and I hit

01:16:26 ◼   ► Share, run my shortcut, it takes the link from the page because shortcuts

01:16:31 ◼   ► integrate with the Sharesheet. Now, on the Mac, shortcuts do not integrate with the

01:16:38 ◼   ► share sheet at all. And that doesn't make any sense because they're everywhere else

01:16:43 ◼   ► though. They're in the menu bar and I didn't know that they've put them in so many places,

01:16:48 ◼   ► but not in the one place they are on iOS. I know exactly like why? Like again, I understand

01:16:56 ◼   ► that on the Mac extensions are not as popular as an iOS like share sheet extensions, but

01:17:04 ◼   ► You're Apple, and you should be a champion

01:17:06 ◼   ► of your own feature here,

01:17:08 ◼   ► especially because that feature is found on iPhone and iPad.

01:17:12 ◼   ► And I would think, again, as an iPad user,

01:17:16 ◼   ► being intrigued by Monterey,

01:17:19 ◼   ► and by the fact that I can use my shortcuts now,

01:17:22 ◼   ► I'm like, "Oh, cool.

01:17:23 ◼   ► I guess it just works like on the iPad."

01:17:26 ◼   ► It's the same shortcut.

01:17:27 ◼   ► I hit Share from Safari, and it works, but nope.

01:17:30 ◼   ► Like, you hit Share and the shortcut is not there.

01:17:34 ◼   ► Then I confirmed this with John, and John told me,

01:17:37 ◼   ► "Yeah, Shortcuts does not integrate

01:17:39 ◼   ► with the Share Sheet at all on iOS."

01:17:41 ◼   ► So I thought, "Huh, okay.

01:17:44 ◼   ► What does that mean for all of these actions

01:17:48 ◼   ► that I use on my other devices

01:17:50 ◼   ► that are based on the Share Sheet?"

01:17:53 ◼   ► And especially Safari actions.

01:17:55 ◼   ► Like, integration with Safari is one of the best aspects

01:17:58 ◼   ► shortcuts on the iPhone and iPad. You can take the link of the current page, you can take the selection

01:18:05 ◼   ► from the current page, you can get a bunch of metadata from the current page in shortcuts

01:18:10 ◼   ► on iOS and iPadOS. You know what I had to do? So on the Mac, and I'm checking again now, let's see,

01:18:19 ◼   ► menu bar, double click, this is so weird. On the Mac they have a separate Safari action called

01:18:26 ◼   ► "Get current URL from Safari."

01:18:30 ◼   ► I guess this is one of the actions, like one of...

01:18:33 ◼   ► This is one of the leftover,

01:18:35 ◼   ► like one of the actions that came from Automator.

01:18:38 ◼   ► You can tell because of the description.

01:18:41 ◼   ► Gets the URL of the webpage in the front-most Safari window.

01:18:46 ◼   ► The concept of the front-most Safari window,

01:18:48 ◼   ► that's an Automator legacy thing, right?

01:18:51 ◼   ► And in fact, it says, "This action can only be run on Mac."

01:18:55 ◼   ► So, okay, you didn't make the share sheet integration happen,

01:19:00 ◼   ► but you just put yourself in a corner where,

01:19:04 ◼   ► in order to have basic integration with Safari,

01:19:07 ◼   ► you had to make a separate action

01:19:10 ◼   ► instead of making sure that the existing ones

01:19:12 ◼   ► could work on the Mac as well.

01:19:15 ◼   ► Maybe the Safari team was just too busy.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Putting it in.

01:19:21 ◼   ► They're just like, "Hey, we got too much going on over here.

01:19:23 ◼   ► Yeah, leave us alone.

01:19:24 ◼   ► Fix the tabs.

01:19:25 ◼   ► Leave us alone.

01:19:26 ◼   ► The second thing that I had to do was more interesting and problematic, but also a pretty

01:19:33 ◼   ► good example of the freedom that you have in shortcuts for Mac.

01:19:37 ◼   ► The URL I figured out how to get from the page, but I also needed to get the title of

01:19:43 ◼   ► the page.

01:19:45 ◼   ► And other actions were not working.

01:19:47 ◼   ► So I realized, okay, this is a Mac.

01:19:51 ◼   ► has backwards compatibility with Automator stuff,

01:19:56 ◼   ► I can potentially just get the title of the page

01:19:59 ◼   ► using a very simple Apple script, right?

01:20:02 ◼   ► So what I ended up doing is I added this very simple check

01:20:06 ◼   ► to my shortcut, which says, get the device model.

01:20:10 ◼   ► If the device model is a Mac, run AppleScript.

01:20:14 ◼   ► And there's a one-line AppleScript that says,

01:20:18 ◼   ► tell Safari to get the name of the current tab.

01:20:21 ◼   ► And that's how I fixed my shortcut

01:20:24 ◼   ► that was working just fine on iOS and iPadOS

01:20:27 ◼   ► to work on the Mac so that I could do a very simple thing,

01:20:31 ◼   ► which is get the link and the title

01:20:34 ◼   ► of the current tab in Safari.

01:20:37 ◼   ► And I had to rely on scripting.

01:20:39 ◼   ► Now, this is a -- it's a --

01:20:44 ◼   ► What do they call it? Like a double-edged knife?

01:20:46 ◼   ► Is that the expression? -Double-edged sword.

01:20:48 ◼   ► -Sword, yeah.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Which is like a big knife, really, if you think about it.

01:20:52 ◼   ► Or it's like a... Yeah, I mean, a sword is a big knife with a different handle.

01:20:56 ◼   ► -So, yeah. -If you think about it.

01:20:58 ◼   ► It's not called a handle, though, is it, for swords?

01:21:01 ◼   ► It's got a name. There's a name to it.

01:21:03 ◼   ► -Hilt. -Hilt, yeah.

01:21:05 ◼   ► -Oh, my God, thank you. -Yeah.

01:21:06 ◼   ► I can't believe I pulled that out of my brain.

01:21:08 ◼   ► Wow, okay.

01:21:09 ◼   ► It's beautiful, right?

01:21:12 ◼   ► Oh, the feature doesn't exist?

01:21:14 ◼   ► I can just write my own script.

01:21:17 ◼   ► That's cool.

01:21:19 ◼   ► but at the same time it also kind of defeats the purpose of shortcuts, which is

01:21:22 ◼   ► you don't have to know scripting languages, there's visual actions. And what I find especially weird,

01:21:28 ◼   ► and that to me kind of sums up the state of shortcuts on the Mac right now,

01:21:33 ◼   ► these things were working just fine on iOS and iPadOS, but some of them, and only some of them,

01:21:40 ◼   ► in a very inconsistent way don't work on Monterey. And that I don't understand.

01:21:48 ◼   ► It's not the... It's not the... the bugginess, ultimately, that kills me.

01:21:56 ◼   ► It's the inconsistency of it, and the fact that I don't understand why only some of these things are not

01:22:03 ◼   ► working in shortcuts right now. But otherwise, now that I fix it, I'm very happy, because the same

01:22:12 ◼   ► shortcut now works on my Mac. And it used to be that if I discovered the link when I was

01:22:18 ◼   ► working on my Mac Mini, I had to hand off the link to my iPhone and then run the shortcut there.

01:22:25 ◼   ► Now I can run the shortcut on the Mac. It's beautiful. I like it. It's gonna be a very

01:22:29 ◼   ► nice time-saving tool for me. And now, on Monterey, I can also do window automation

01:22:35 ◼   ► with shortcuts, which is something that I want to look into. But yeah, I hope that they can make

01:22:40 ◼   ► it more consistent with the iOS and iPadOS versions, especially when it comes to actions

01:22:47 ◼   ► and the share sheet. And also the Zwift UI-related interface problems and glitches are to be

01:22:58 ◼   ► expected. So there's definitely some of that. And parts of the app are, as Stephen said, are very sad

01:23:06 ◼   ► and very strange looking. It's like this app is brand new and it looks old at the same time.

01:23:12 ◼   ► And I don't know why. Yeah, and some of it comes down to not being very Mac-like, and so

01:23:20 ◼   ► like if you have a dictionary you're putting keys and values in, you would think that double

01:23:26 ◼   ► clicking into that would give you a text insertion point, but you have to hit return, which is okay.

01:23:33 ◼   ► Like that's that is another way of doing it on the Mac

01:23:36 ◼   ► But then to remove a step or a block of automation from a shortcut

01:23:41 ◼   ► You have to hit the little X you can't hit delete or command delete. It's like

01:23:45 ◼   ► They've got to make this

01:23:48 ◼   ► more

01:23:50 ◼   ► More like other Mac apps if I mean people who are looking to use shortcuts on the Mac care about that stuff, right?

01:23:57 ◼   ► I care about it now. I'm super glad it's here. Like I have taken some shortcuts and like reworked them

01:24:02 ◼   ► I do find it overall easier to build shortcuts and edit them on the Mac then especially the iPhone

01:24:10 ◼   ► where you can like get in trouble dragging and dropping it especially in the the newer versions

01:24:15 ◼   ► of shortcuts but yeah there's a lot of UI stuff that's just needs some more time but we talked

01:24:23 ◼   ► about that a lot. Swift UI. Yeah I do like we touched on I want to go back to it I do like that

01:24:31 ◼   ► shortcuts are basically everywhere so you can you can bind a shortcut to a

01:24:38 ◼   ► system-wide keyboard command man iPad OS should have that I didn't know that was

01:24:44 ◼   ► one of the options yes I've been putting them in the menu bar I didn't know you

01:24:48 ◼   ► could do that too so if you go into a shortcut to edit it you can say that

01:24:53 ◼   ► it's a service and then you can give it a keyboard shortcut within shortcuts the

01:24:57 ◼   ► application or in the keyboard preference pane at system preferences.

01:25:00 ◼   ► Okay. So that's pretty cool and I wish the iPad had that. Especially you got a

01:25:05 ◼   ► keyboard right there. What a concept. Anything beyond shortcuts? I mean so much

01:25:11 ◼   ► of what's coming to Monterey isn't quite here yet and what is coming mostly is

01:25:17 ◼   ► iOS 15 features which is good like they should tie at the back and do stuff closer

01:25:21 ◼   ► together. I mean I'm happy for focus modes and I am happy for new Safari

01:25:28 ◼   ► because I like especially now I really like I really love tab groups it's such

01:25:33 ◼   ► a great feature like I just feel like I need to keep saying it because when

01:25:37 ◼   ► anybody talks about Safari it's like ah Safari tabs right and it's just like

01:25:42 ◼   ► we'll just think about that all the time but like tab groups is just such a great

01:25:46 ◼   ► feature. Like I love it, I use it every day. I've really like, it's really become

01:25:52 ◼   ► something that I enjoy. I mean Safari on the Mac has like a weird thing where like

01:25:55 ◼   ► you tap a link from elsewhere it just opens a new window which is like not at

01:25:59 ◼   ► all what Safari does on iOS. Like on iOS and iPadOS it just opens like if you know

01:26:05 ◼   ► it just opens a new tab in your last used tab group which I think makes the

01:26:09 ◼   ► most sense. But like on the Mac it's just like hey here have a new window. It's

01:26:13 ◼   ► like, well, all right, now it's really hard for me to move this into a tab group because

01:26:17 ◼   ► Windows...

01:26:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:19 ◼   ► There's, there is a setting to like...

01:26:21 ◼   ► Doesn't do anything, man.

01:26:22 ◼   ► Don't do anything with tab groups?

01:26:23 ◼   ► Okay.

01:26:24 ◼   ► Well, let me tell you, I know it doesn't, it didn't do anything with Safari on High

01:26:28 ◼   ► Sierra or whatever it is.

01:26:30 ◼   ► What is it?

01:26:31 ◼   ► So is that High Sierra is the current one before Monterey?

01:26:33 ◼   ► No, Big Sur.

01:26:34 ◼   ► Big Sur.

01:26:35 ◼   ► Big Sur.

01:26:36 ◼   ► High Sierra was like four years ago.

01:26:37 ◼   ► Yeah, isn't there, isn't there Carolina even before Big Sur?

01:26:41 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:26:42 ◼   ► - I missed my several.

01:26:43 ◼   ► - I don't know what I'm doing.

01:26:45 ◼   ► I missed so many of them.

01:26:47 ◼   ► I haven't tried actually that specific thing

01:26:52 ◼   ► on that stat feature, that setting on a Monterey.

01:26:57 ◼   ► Is it called Monterey?

01:26:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm so confused now.

01:27:01 ◼   ► Oh, Monterey, I've only tried it on a big Safari.

01:27:04 ◼   ► - You're thinking of Mountain Lion.

01:27:06 ◼   ► - Oh, please stop it, 'cause I'm really,

01:27:07 ◼   ► I'm genuine that I can't remember which one's which now.

01:27:11 ◼   ► And also focus modes.

01:27:12 ◼   ► I'm really happy to have focus modes.

01:27:15 ◼   ► That's just a feature that I really have come to like,

01:27:17 ◼   ► and I like that I'll be able to turn it on on one device

01:27:20 ◼   ► and it's on all devices.

01:27:21 ◼   ► So when I have my recording focus mode on,

01:27:23 ◼   ► it would also turn it on and off on my iMac,

01:27:26 ◼   ► which I should say my iMac is still on

01:27:28 ◼   ► whatever the version of Mac OS it's on.

01:27:32 ◼   ► Steven, you moved on your Mac Pro, right?

01:27:36 ◼   ► You moved to Monterey?

01:27:38 ◼   ► - I did.

01:27:39 ◼   ► - Can I move to Monterey on my iMac now?

01:27:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, totally fine.

01:27:42 ◼   ► - All right, great, I'm gonna do that then.

01:27:44 ◼   ► I only got it on MacBook Pro, which I did.

01:27:46 ◼   ► I mean, I was interested to do it,

01:27:47 ◼   ► but I don't want it to be on my MacBook Pro.

01:27:50 ◼   ► I wanted to have the most recent version

01:27:51 ◼   ► for when the new MacBook Pro arrives

01:27:53 ◼   ► and into Migration Assistant.

01:27:54 ◼   ► So I feel like that's probably, it was a good idea.

01:27:56 ◼   ► - Which is fun, my old MacBook Pro was still on the beta

01:27:59 ◼   ► and Migration Assistant was like, "Hey, you're on the beta.

01:28:02 ◼   ► What do you wanna do about that?"

01:28:04 ◼   ► Good, they've gotten a lot smarter about that stuff.

01:28:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I'm into it for those reasons.

01:28:09 ◼   ► I'm intrigued still to try it, Universal Control.

01:28:12 ◼   ► I know I won't use it, but I'm intrigued to try it.

01:28:14 ◼   ► I think that's kind of all of macOS.

01:28:18 ◼   ► - I like that it's a quieter year.

01:28:19 ◼   ► You know, the last two years we've had a lot of turbulence.

01:28:22 ◼   ► You had Catalina that killed all 32-bit apps,

01:28:25 ◼   ► and then you had Big Sur with a redesign.

01:28:27 ◼   ► And it feels like Monterey doesn't really bring

01:28:31 ◼   ► anything super dramatic.

01:28:34 ◼   ► You know, talking about the laptops, right?

01:28:35 ◼   ► This is a pretty drama-free version of macOS.

01:28:38 ◼   ► I think that's what the Mac needed.

01:28:40 ◼   ► I do think though, like in using it,

01:28:45 ◼   ► especially in the era of the new iPad multitasking,

01:28:50 ◼   ► like I don't want that on the Mac,

01:28:52 ◼   ► but I do think like the split screen stuff,

01:28:56 ◼   ► full screen apps, mission control

01:28:58 ◼   ► is still pretty messy on the Mac.

01:29:01 ◼   ► And there is a new feature, I didn't even know about this.

01:29:03 ◼   ► David Sparks pointed out to me

01:29:05 ◼   ► that if you're in a split screen, right and left,

01:29:08 ◼   ► you can now replace one of those apps

01:29:10 ◼   ► without breaking the split screen, which is cool.

01:29:13 ◼   ► You can just bring another app in to tile on either side.

01:29:17 ◼   ► - Very iPadOS-y.

01:29:18 ◼   ► - It is, but y'all, just take Windows 11 window management

01:29:23 ◼   ► and Sherlock it.

01:29:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I want it so bad.

01:29:27 ◼   ► - That's all you gotta do.

01:29:29 ◼   ► - They've really done a good job of it.

01:29:30 ◼   ► I want it so bad.

01:29:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, I use Better Touch Tool on the Mac

01:29:34 ◼   ► just for that, like the snapping with the corners

01:29:38 ◼   ► and the multiple windows.

01:29:41 ◼   ► You can now sort of replicate that with shortcuts.

01:29:45 ◼   ► In fact, one of their sort of built-in shortcuts

01:29:48 ◼   ► in the gallery on the Mac is just like a version of that.

01:29:53 ◼   ► It's called, I believe, Tile Last Four Windows,

01:29:58 ◼   ► but obviously, like, you shouldn't have to use

01:30:00 ◼   ► a shortcut for it, and it's much more intuitive

01:30:02 ◼   ► to just grab a window, drag it to the side or like a corner,

01:30:07 ◼   ► and it snaps.

01:30:08 ◼   ► That's so much better.

01:30:10 ◼   ► And I mean, eventually Apple will seal that feature.

01:30:12 ◼   ► It's one of those interaction things that just makes sense

01:30:16 ◼   ► and eventually everybody copies it because it makes sense.

01:30:19 ◼   ► - Anything else with Monterey?

01:30:21 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

01:30:23 ◼   ► - Well, I think that does it for this week.

01:30:26 ◼   ► Got a lot of ground covered.

01:30:27 ◼   ► We unboxed a cleaning cloth, talked about AirPods.

01:30:31 ◼   ► - Magtricky.com.

01:30:33 ◼   ► - Magtricky.com.

01:30:35 ◼   ► Thank you to everyone who has ordered

01:30:36 ◼   ► while I've been recording.

01:30:38 ◼   ► Those will be up through November 11th,

01:30:41 ◼   ► and then will ship in December.

01:30:42 ◼   ► Magtricky.com.

01:30:45 ◼   ► If you wanna read more about the stuff

01:30:46 ◼   ► we spoke about this week on the show,

01:30:48 ◼   ► there's a bunch of links on our website

01:30:49 ◼   ► at relay.fm/connected/369.

01:30:53 ◼   ► - Nice.

01:30:54 ◼   ► - You know, I thought we were gonna go the whole time.

01:30:56 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:30:57 ◼   ► Right at the end.

01:30:58 ◼   ► Snuck it in there.

01:31:00 ◼   ► We have a bunch of awesome shows on Relay FM.

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01:31:22 ◼   ► Myke, what else are you up to right now?

01:31:25 ◼   ► - I recommend people keep an ear out for upgrade on Monday.

01:31:30 ◼   ► We have an interview coming up with Tim Millet and Tom Bogle from Apple.

01:31:33 ◼   ► We're talking about the new Apple Silicon chips, the M1 Pro and M1 Macs chips.

01:31:40 ◼   ► It's really good.

01:31:41 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to that.

01:31:43 ◼   ► Those guys are awesome.

01:31:44 ◼   ► They're really great.

01:31:45 ◼   ► I can't wait for people to hear it.

01:31:46 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter at Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he's the editor-in-chief

01:31:52 ◼   ► of MacStories.net.

01:31:53 ◼   ► We didn't even mention it, we just glossed right over it, but the one true John has written

01:31:57 ◼   ► a really awesome Mac OS Monterey review that's on Mac stories one true review one true review

01:32:03 ◼   ► it's that one yes you did a very good job I have some one true John Easter eggs in the

01:32:09 ◼   ► Aqua screenshot library for for Monterey just got to go dig through there and find them you can find

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01:32:34 ◼   ► on that was good no I know I got it it just doesn't have a comment yeah no it

01:32:40 ◼   ► just took your breath away yeah that's true I just my brain couldn't take I

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