The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► we decided to schedule this week show [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► directly against game seven right of the [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► baseball series that's world series but [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► only in the USA Canada to that doesn't [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► really count on the world know they [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► should call it the North American minus [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Mexico series i guess you could go that [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► way i am currently probably to my own [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► peril attempting to log into my slingbox [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► from my mac and see if I can turn the [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► game on and provide live updates for you [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► Marco since i know you are deeply [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► concerned about the score of game 7 you [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► should so so this is just the basics [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► obviously this means that each of the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► teams won three games so they're tied to [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► have a tiebreaker game is at that that [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► is correct and other than that I'd like [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► to do is there anything special about [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► how this game works there any rule [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► changes like it and after a certain [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► score is just a regular game [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► I don't think there's any difference now [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► ok outside of there's a there's some [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► rule i forget what's what but one league [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► can do what is a pinch-hitter designated [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► hitter something all my god [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► designated hitter or something like that [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► and one Lee doesn't allow that i believe [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► and i never understand the rules behind [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► one that's permitted one that isn't it [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► now I've heard people tell me that I [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► should try to understand the infield fly [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► rule is that the difference between the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► American League in the American League [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► the National League and no it is not i [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► don't believe anyway but yeah so the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► idea is when the whatever legal allows [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► for this thing is considered to be at [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► home this this hitter thing then they do [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► the hitter thing I think it's a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► pinch-hitter is that right [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► why am i explaining this I don't know [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► what the hell I'm talking about so the [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► two USA baseball leagues can't even [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► agree on the rules is this like a [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Republican Democrat kind of thing is [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► what like what different islands in the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► Galapagos they evolved separately we [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► should probably cut all of that because [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that was painful to talk about let alone [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► listen to yeah that's probably not going [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the cleveland indians and the Chicago [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► Cubs are playing in the final game of [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► the world series as we speak and as we [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► are recording it is top of 4th it's tied [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► one to one and and I don't really have a [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► preference he wins I guess the Cubs [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► since they haven't wanted forever but [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► whatever they really still [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► oh my god they're really still called [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► the Indians and they really still have [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that logo in 2016 [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► that's correct that is rough wow so I'm [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► gonna I was gonna give live updates but [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► given that having slingplayer running on [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► my mac is causing my imac's fans to go [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► at full tilt [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I'm just going to go ahead and [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► disconnect and turn that off you know [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► what it solved here yeah there we go [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► tell me Marco would solve that problem [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► you know apple still barely does make [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► one computer where the difference in fan [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► audible noise levels between full load [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► and idol is not distinguishable by the [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► human ear most of the time in most rooms [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► other the macbook adorable that doesn't [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► have a fan that one [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► mm all right to it can do that is [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► because that's always a full but i'll [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► just use all use the computer that's [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► more modern I'll go get my iPad Mini [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► hold on the whole industry before [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► barcode i kill each other we should [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► probably start with some follow-up and [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► there was an interesting thing posted [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► over the last few days as one would [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► expect the iFixit folks have gotten [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► their hands on a macbook escape and it's [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► funny that I call it a macbook escaped i [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► believe i stole from Marco because on [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► that page it says and I'm quoting read [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► on for our teardown of the macbook pro [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► late 2016 parentheses escape edition [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► paranthesis my question to you too is is [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► this simultaneous invention or did we [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► get an uncredited citation they're like [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► is this really our invention that [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► they're just not citing us source well [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► first of all it's not our invention [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► pretty sure it is the invention whoever [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► in the chatroom suggested that just [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► because we picked out of the chatroom [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► the name that we liked and then repeated [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► on the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► show does not mean that we invented that [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► nature sometimes appropriate there's no [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► that's works for ever suggested in the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► chatroom actually coined the term and we [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► were merely adopting it for a discussion [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► and I'm assuming it's simultaneous but i [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► just want to do that but marco was the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► one who pulled out of the chat room and [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► i'm assuming marketable that I the chat [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► room and didn't invented himself because [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► on the show he was reading things that [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► room [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► yeah it was it before last week's show [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the people in the chat were discussing [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► various names and they were calling it [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► like escape escape the book pro and [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► effing book pro and a few other [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► variations i'm not entirely sure who [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► said if anyone actually said macbook [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► escape as the as the official name but [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► well I've been corrected though on on [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► Twitter and other places [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► apparently the official name for this [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► computer is macbook pro in parentheses [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► 13-inch late 2016 23 bolt three ports [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and parentheses so from now on I have to [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► call it that macbook pro 13 nov 2015 23 [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► ports not macbook escape because the [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► former is a way better name apparently [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► I'm disappointed that the name they [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hinted at in the presentation wasn't the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► actual name because they said like with [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► the with function keys so is like Magnum [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► appropriate seized with function cute [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► but that is not obviously the official [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► name apparently is the official name is [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► that giant mouthful is that even that [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► much better though like what would that [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► have been like this is still not a name [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that anybody will know the good thing [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► about the parentheses with function keys [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► you could apply it like any mac model [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► that comes with the keyboard with [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► function he's on it now you could say [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► like you know people extended keyboard [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► with function keys exactly like the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► whole reason like you know the reason we [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► give this cute name everyone said I [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► should stop naming things because [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► originally i was one of the people and I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► don't even know how was the first but I [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► was a popularizer of the name macbook [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► one for the one poor 12-inch MacBook [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► when a chemical that is similar problem [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► where they release this brand-new [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► computer that is radically different [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► from everything else they make and it's [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► called it macbook and like there was [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► already a computer named macbook not [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► even that long ago and lots people still [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► have them and so like it was it was a [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► vague name and ambiguous name and [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► everyone was going through his [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► contortions online like press articles [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► to say like the new [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► macbook with the 12 inch retina macbook [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the what macbook with one USB port over [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► like everyone's going through this [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► contortions trying to unambiguously [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► state which computer they were talking [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► about because apples names aren't good [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► enough like they're not precise enough [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► and this is one of those cases to and by [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► the way I do regret not calling it the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► macbook to because in so many ways yes [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► secretary didn't really like that but i [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► have a few people tell me that it's just [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► adding confusion because now it sounds [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► like it's the sequel or something and [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and and it is a pro yeah well it's an [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► air [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I mean really let's be honest it's it's [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► a macbook air with retina screen it's at [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► once again I wanted that and I said it's [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► gonna be amazing it's gonna sell ton of [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► them and I stand by that at the early [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► reviews say it is pretty good it's not [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► as good as I would like it to be in some [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► ways but you know overall pretty good i [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► think they I think it's probably going [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► to be very successful if anybody can [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► justify the price hike for it [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► that's that's a big if but you know if [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► they can do that will be fine but this [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► is another of those computers where look [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► at the contortions of of how people are [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► trying to unambiguously refer to this [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► computer in their various reviews and [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► press articles and blog posts and tweets [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and there is no good short name for the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► unambiguously says that refers to so I [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► stand by my choice to call the macbook [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► escape because it is short and and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► fairly unique i don't think anyone could [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► ever think that many other computer and [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► they might not necessarily know it means [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► this one but I think enough geeks know [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► enough of our audience knows enough of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► my audience on Twitter and stuff knows [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► that i can say macbook one and macbook [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► escape and people who the people who are [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► listening [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► almost all of them will know what i mean [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► by that as opposed to saying 13-inch [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► macbook pro which now could mean three [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► very different computers all of which [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► are still for sale [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► just wait until next year when they had [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► the touch bar to the macbook escape but [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► it still has two ports instead of four [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► then with that you're going to call [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► that's not the macbook escape anymore [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► Michael escape with touch bar that's a [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► clue [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► so I have an important question for you [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► Marco are you sticking with the macbook [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► one name or are you going to adopt the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► cgpgrey macbook adorable [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► if i'm going to call it a name beyond [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► its correct name of macbook or 12 inch [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► macbook then i'm going to call it a [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► netbook one it's been around longer [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► I is probably I think it's more [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► recognizable and I think it's like [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► honestly I think it's a better name [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► sorry great but it's less of a value [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► judgment to yeah exactly i'm but I mean [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► you know it really simply speaking like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► it has now been well you know that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► computer came out about what a [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► year-and-a-half ago almost two years ago [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► it has now been long enough that i will [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► fairly soon not need to call the macbook [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► one anymore that I might even be not [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► like because you only need these these [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► like pet names when Apple's regular [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► names like are still ambiguous and [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► confusing in people's minds when this [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► for when the macbook one first came out [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► and it's called a macbook again like [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► lots of people still had memories of the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► regular macbook and what was called that [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► not that long ago ever want to talk [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► about the new computer and there was no [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► good way to and unambiguously do that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► but now if you say if you say the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► macbook now that's still honestly does [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► kind of refer to the whole family out to [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► some degree and people might be confused [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► a little bit by that but if you just say [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► macbook or you could say 12-inch MacBook [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► I think you're okay for the most part [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► now so i probably won't need to use the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► name macbook one much anymore i might [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► use anyway because i like it but I don't [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► think I really need to end much anymore [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► whereas referring to the macbook pro [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► 13-inch late 2016 to thermal three ports [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► is still in need of a nice short [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► unambiguous name that's terrible [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► alright moving on marketing rights and [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► to tell us that when John speaks of [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► millions of millennials typing on a [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► screen that actually includes mark when [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► I strictly speaking of and marc has [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► cited some thing on wikipedia which [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► means it must be true and Millennials [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► apparently start with those born in 1982 [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► and I speak for marketing saying both of [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► us are were born in nineteen eighty-two [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► so strictly speaking we are old [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► Millennials see that's BS though like [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► the Generalissimo when I i feel like you [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► know generations don't just flip on a [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► dime on December 31st at New Year's like [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► that after you two were born that was [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that they close the door like our well i [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► was gonna say this is like the Upstate [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► of like dove time or generations right [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► you know it's always the people younger [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► than you that are that are the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► Millennials and so I actually do agree [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► with Marco I don't feel like I qualifies [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► this entitled self-obsessed generation [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► says the guy on his podcast but I don't [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► think it's too far after we were born i [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► would probably put it like 1990 ish but [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► whatever the baby boomers or [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► self-obsessed the the Millennials aren't [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► self-obsessed when the Millennials are [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► are coddled and overconfident and have [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► never had to try for I think those are [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► the stereotypes and jen xri disaffected [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► and cynical and terrible [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► yeah I guess it's very well anyway so [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► yeah apparently mark and I are strictly [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► speaking Millennials which is a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► interesting and perhaps they have [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► realization for the two about the [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► problem is there has that whatever name [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► for the generations that are younger [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► than Millennials like this competition [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► for what those names we called please [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► don't send us the a million names you've [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► heard we can look them up to [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► but anyway one hasn't won yet so 12 name [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► wins it will be more convenient when we [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► want to make fun of the youngins to use [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that name I use Millennials because to [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► me they are the youngins but this person [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► is right you two are my nails as well I [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► see I I feel like when you know [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► generations are kind of like they're [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► kind of like a like a bell curve shape [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► as the time goes on like it defines a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► certain era but as you get close to the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► edges of the boundaries of the areas [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► they become a lot less clearly defined [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► so if you stay here forever and honestly [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► I think for a generation with this [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► stupid but if you're going to refer to [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► them I feel like if you say millennial [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you're referring to kind of like the the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► hump the peak of that wave and so by [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► calling us any of the generations when [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► we are literally the boundary year [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► between 220-year lon generation since I [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► feel like it doesn't really say anything [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► like are we really that different from [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► the people who are literally six months [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► over the most like not really you know [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► so it's the when you get towards the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► edges it doesn't really mean much but [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► refer to generations at all is kinda [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► dumb and is only used for people to like [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► yell about how we're the kids are these [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► days that's exactly how we're using it [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► though and that is that is the point [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► yeah all right now William radish road [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► in and pointed out to us [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► hi [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► exactly the context but I think maybe it [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► was marco was saying no you know I don't [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► need a super-fast GPU or something that [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► somebody was saying something along [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► those lines sort of us and and William [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► rights in to say well you may not think [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► you need to superfast GPU because you're [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► maybe not playing games or anything like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► that but its GPU used by the same image [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► editing apps to do some of the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► calculations required in order to mess [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► with your pictures taken on your camera [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► that's all gpu-based is it not [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► well some of it is and it isn't to say [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► that it doesn't matter but much of it is [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► still very much CPU bound and the things [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that are generally where I spend most of [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► my time waiting for the cpu are are not [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► the things that usually helping with you [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► know i mean i still i have my imac with [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► this is a fancy GPU i have my 15-inch [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► macbook pro at the fancy GPU and they do [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► things at roughly the same speed like in [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► Lightroom with the same kind of files [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► like it's not the imax should be its GPU [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► is really helping the things that I'm [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► waiting on the imac should be way faster [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► than the macbook pro but it's not it's [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it's similar speeds so and annie and i [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► can look I can see istat menus that all [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► the cpu cores are being pegged during [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► this operation I'm waiting for [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► so really it's you know it might help [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► many too many operations of stuff but [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► the things i'm complaining about it [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► doesn't really help and again it's nice [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► to have but you know not necessarily at [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► certain costs in certain roles so it may [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► know my argument last week was that I [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► wish they had a GPU the basically the no [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► GPU option in the 15-inch still there [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► appear to be good reasons why they don't [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► anymore like related to intel's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► integrated GPU being not as good anymore [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► I in those quad-core configs whatever i [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► don't know i don't know details of that [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► but something like that but anyway I I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► regret that they don't have the option [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► of no discrete GPU anymore but oh well [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► what you can do that that's kind of my [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► attitude about macbook pro in general is [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► oh well what we gonna do because it's [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► like there's so much about that's a [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► little bit weirder off or not quite for [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► we'll get to it [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► and we will respond to this week by [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► Harry's go to Harry's dot-com / ATP [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► right now to claim a free trial set and [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► free post shave balm that's Harry's [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► dot-com / ATP Harry's is the best value [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► inn razor blades in my opinion now big [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► razor companies they have this annoying [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► habit of putting out new models every [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► few years and raising their already high [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► prices even higher [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► unlike them Harry's is not believe it up [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► charging which is why they made their [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► razors even better and they're keeping [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► prices exactly the same and hairy cells [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► five blade razor cartridges similar to [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► what you might have seen from big brands [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► they now include a softer flex hinge for [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► more comfortable glide nature blade for [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► hard-to-reach places a lubricating strip [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► any textured handle for more control [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► when it's wet and this is still the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► amazing value have always been just two [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► dollars per blade compared to four [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► dollars or more you'll pay for the big [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► brands and by only the factory in [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► Germany where they make the blades [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► Harry's can produce high-quality razors [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► themselves sell them online for half the [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► price and it comes all the conveniences [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► of online shopping [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► you don't have to like go to a drugstore [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► get into the anti shoplifting case and [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► like that and you can just order what [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► you want and gets delivered to you [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► they have great customer service if you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► ever need it it's wonderful [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► check out Harry's two dollars per blade [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► and this is not a safety razor blade i [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► have used those they're fine but I'm a [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► big fan of the five blade razor [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► cartridge that simple as that that's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► what I like Harry's is the best value in [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that business [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► bar none two dollars per plate cartridge [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► so go to Harry's calm / ATP to learn one [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► of the special offer for fans of the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► show you get a bottle of Harry's post [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► shave balm added to your order for free [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► by visiting harrods.com / ATP go there [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► today and get your free trial set and [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you're free post shave balm once again [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► Harry's calm / ATP thanks a lot too [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► hairy for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► alright moving on a few people have [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► written into say that there are [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► forthcoming external GPU boxes for new [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► macbook pros so bizon tech apologize but [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► pronounced that wrong has a bison box [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► three external graphics card for mac [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► turn your back into a powerful [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► workstation up to 10x boost in games and [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► professional apps and so this looks like [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► almost a mini towers just box it looks [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► quite large i'm sure it's actually not [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that you can sit adjacent to your [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► macbook pro and connect via presumably [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► thunderball three and put any number of [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► different gpus in it you can spend 21 or [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► no I'm sorry [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► 27 yeah twenty-seven hundred dollars on [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► a box that has a graphics card in it in [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► that graphics card only apparently has [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► windows support but nonetheless you [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► could spend basically half a macbook pro [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► again getting an external graphics card [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► so John is this your solution to an [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► excellent mac-based gaming platform they [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► have been a bunch of external GPU [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► options ever since the the advent of [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► Thunderbolt and there are two main [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► problems is one is not probably not a [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► problem anymore but used to be back in [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► the early days of thunder bolt and that [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► is that although Thunderbolts basically [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► gives you the ability to have sort of [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► you know pci bus that extends outside [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► your computer hit the original [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► Thunderbolt did not have as many lanes [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► as top and graphic cards took when you [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► plug them into like a gaming pc your pc [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► or something and that only matters if [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► you were gonna actually use all that [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► bandwidth between the card and the cpu [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► and everything and you could argue that [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► it would make a difference and you can't [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► measure ever go back in the day the [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► battle is insufficient i'm assuming with [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 3 that is either close [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► enough not to matter anymore and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► surpassed its not a problem anymore but [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the real problem with external GPU [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► solutions for me personally why I'm not [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► interested in them is because i have no [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► faith that Apple supports them in any [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► way shape or form [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► bingo and it's not that I need apple to [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► make the box I just need apple to say oh [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► yeah this is a thing you can do with [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► your mac i do not doubt that they can [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► get this to work and i do not doubt that [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► Apple has built support for external [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► cpus into the operating system is [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► letting them do this what I doubt is is [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► this going to be a supportive [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► configuration for me some OS update [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► going to get rid of it is it like [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► especially we're going to spend you know [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► eight hundred dollars for a really fancy [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► GPU is it a thing that's going to be [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► useful for its purpose like I don't want [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► to buy it and then two years later like [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► I can't use it anymore because the [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► drivers aren't supported or some bug or [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► some new kernel changing out like i need [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► apples blessing essentially for me to [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► feel safe to pursue this because it you [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► know otherwise but i'm just making a [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► gaming pc like it at least then I know [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that some supported by everybody and [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► it's just my own my own challenge to a [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► battle and get to work or you know I [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► have a good driver updates from the the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► video card company so I'm personally [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► very wary of solutions like this because [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► i say as i sit in front of my [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► eight-year-old computer because I like [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► to you know use things for a long time [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► and I really do want Apple to bless them [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► in some way doesn't just blessing for [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► apple doesn't mean it's going to be [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► supported forever obviously but at least [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► I'll know that I'm not more on the [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► fringes for other people who have a you [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► know a lesser version to risk your [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► interested in trying something cool this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► definitely looks interesting and I would [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► probably do this if I was more of a [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► hobbyist hardware tinker but right now [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► i'm not interested in external gpus [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► until Apple gives me the not about them [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► honestly if I was more of a hobbyist [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► hardware tinker I just build a [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► hackintosh or as you said just build a [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► gaming pc like that because you do most [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► your gaming and windows anyway right but [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► yeah so this is the the other angle is [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► like the thing that's cool about is not [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► here I get to have a cool GPU is the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► cool thing is you get to have a laptop [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► that works pretty well that you can also [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► sit down [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► plop it down your desk and suddenly [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► becomes way more powerful like so it's [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► the the hybrids kind of like the old [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► thunderbolt display with the laptop like [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you could just buy two separate machines [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► but it's kind of neat to have one [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► machine with all your stuff on it [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► suddenly gets amazing new capabilities [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► when you sit down you disconnect little [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► skinny wire that is the for me the novel [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► interesting hardware hacker angle not [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► just the fact that you can have a good [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► GPU because you're right you just get a [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► game if you just want to keep you get a [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► gaming pc and there you go it's it's the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► you know that the novelty of having [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► external powerful things enhancing the [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► power of your laptops and tons of pc [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► laptops to this as well this is not [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► a unique thing to happen anything like [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► that it's just you know Apple as far as [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► I'm aware has never even acknowledged [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► this is a thing which is really weird [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► considering they have to provide some [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► support for it to work at all [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► yeah i mean that this the story that we [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► get from like people like a tipster and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► other various sources it really does [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► sound like Apple really did do like all [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► of the work necessary to make their own [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► 5k display and at some point they were [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► probably planning on it to be a product [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► and so they they put all this work to [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► make the mat to make Sierra support this [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► kind of display over this kind of cable [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► make it support external gpus over that [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► kind of cable and everything else and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► then instead now they basically give it [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► all the LG who was probably making the [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► panel for it to begin with LG ships that [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► is their monitor and apples tells you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► like to tell it secondhand on twitter [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► that they're a display business that's [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► something that's the future followed by [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► then we will discuss its the event this [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► whole it's a weird story I there has to [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► be something more to it than that is a [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► weird story I i will just stay here in [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► case you don't get to it again that I [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► think the idea of of giving of hand this [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► over to LG and telling people oh if you [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► want what was basically the Apple 5k [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► display you have to now buy it from LG [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► that's not as good that's not good [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that's not a very good solution because [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► then that means that we have to order [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► from LG we have to get LG's warranty on [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► it we have to get LG support if anything [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► goes wrong and all of the end of course [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► you know LG's exterior casing which is [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► kind of videos and all of that is worse [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► than if we would have just bought it [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► from apple [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► I'm so it's it's not a great situation [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► like one person on Twitter point I'm [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► sorry forgot I forgot who was like it up [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► till now or up until one Apple stop [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► selling the Thunderbolt Display few [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► months ago if you bought a mac and the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► Thunderbolt Display and applecare for [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► the mac the applecare also cover the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► display so you you had your monitor [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► covered for three years just like you [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► had a computer which three years [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► warranty on / monitors is usually not [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► what they go for I think usually your [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► one year for most things like that and [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► so again it's just late and everything [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► everyone wrong with it as John you know [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► you could bring it to an apple store and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► you could have you could have them do [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you could ship it apple and now like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► when it sold by somebody else especially [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► something like LG who has like pretty [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► miserable service in most things then [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► you have to you know called [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► god-knows-who ship it god-knows-where [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► pay god knows what with God knows how [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► long to get back and it's it's not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► nearly as nice as if Apple was just sold [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► this themselves and so I do kind of I i [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► I'm a little scared for apples featured [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► a dedication to desktops if only because [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that seems like a really weird move if [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► you care about things like the mac pro [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► well we don't know how long i'll just [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► warrant is for all we know they have a [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► 10-year warranty enough so but what I [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► don't entirely get what makes this new [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► display so unique because when i was [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► looking at getting potentially a monitor [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► for work before i got that 4k that i'm [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► using now I was looking at the dell 5k [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► and that works with like my existing [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► macbook pro that's a few months old now [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► on one cable so why was it so special [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that that this LG like they were made a [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► big deal about it being over one cable [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► it what am I missing here is it seems [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► like this is something we could already [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► do [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► all right over for setting this up we'll [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► move it up and we'll talk about it now [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► oh you're breaking that you're breaking [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► the flow of what I wanted to talk about [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► in the other 1i which actually made [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► sense but that's a that's my job huh [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► that's fine i got up for what you just [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► alluded to the 5k display is that nearly [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► patel tweeted and then just was recorded [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► a bunch of places that Apple confirmed [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► to him though they're out of the sand on [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► display business and that night that [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► after i heard that treat I had I would [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► have trouble getting to sleep because i [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► was so upset about the prospect of there [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► being no apple monitor but it was [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► totally are you serious I'm serious but [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► i was also upset about what had gone [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► down that day because here's the deal [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► like everything marcasite about album [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► ours is true in this like the reason i [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► buy them and you know I like out the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► case looks like how its warranty is part [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► about like everything matches are all [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► silly reasons but it's like that's why [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► that's why by Max and part of the reason [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► I max I like all this looks together and [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► so I don't like the idea there's not [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► going to be not monitor [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► but what really bugs me is that apple [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► wood back channel on background send me [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► off the record whatever confirm secretly [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► conveyed by tweet that they're not [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► making monitors anymore they're out of [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the standalone display business if Apple [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► is going to be adding standalone display [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► business they should say so as a company [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► like you don't have to say we're never [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► gonna make one in a million years but [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► just say don't wait for us to release a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► 5k monitor because we have no plans to [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► do so this is the one I don't understand [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► why Apple can't just say that instead [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► they have to do this thing which is like [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► well how much do I trust that do I can i [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► find my own back channels into someone [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► who still spoke to someone who knows [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► something and Apple to tell us all you [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► know we're not making them anymore i [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► know the apples friends is that here's a [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► great LG monitor just do it right [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► I feel like there should be doesn't have [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► to be in the keynote but it should be on [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► the record statements from apple like [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► not just one of them are not just a [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► little turbulence it should be common [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► knowledge just like it's common [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► knowledge that he's selling a new line [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► of computers also say and by the way [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► Apple like like an apple off the printer [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► business didn't like just stop making [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► printers and just tell people about the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► printers but then that will say guess [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► what Apple's not making printers anymore [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► like that wasn't a secret mystery [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► everybody knew you know what that [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► bothers me immensely [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► so anyway also because the news is bad [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► and part of me still wants to cling to [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► the idea that like maybe they'll change [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► their mind next year and that's why [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► they're not saying anything [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► blah blah as for the specific the LG [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► thing i really want someone to tell one [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► of these apart because we don't know [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► what's inside there is there a GPU [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► inside there that is communicating with [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► through these new features Sierra or is [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► there not to get the cases question is [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► you know multi-stream multiple no [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► displayport 1.2 streams are some other [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► technique to drive a big monitor is that [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► what the deal was using cuz I don't [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► think Apple invented this multi-stream [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► thing maybe it's just a standard that [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► existed and this is the first time Apple [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► supporting into their notebooks or is it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► this weird external GPU thing we don't [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► as for random stuff the tips to promise [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► a hub that has never been delivered said [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► about how about how the Duchess now just [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► not saying they'll uses two cables and [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► it's very buggy any [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► I about this display with the the GPU [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► order [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► well you know the Apple Apple didn't [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► ship that so like and i can say we've [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► gotten conflicting reports of what [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► exactly apple has ever plan to ship or [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► you know or anything like that [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► I this is this all just random here so [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► all we have to go on is what what Apple [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► actually delivers as products and and [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► what they say publicly and right now [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► they're not delivering a monitor and [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► they're sort of semi kind of probably [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► saying that I'm making monitors anymore [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► we're just hugely disappointing because [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► i think that almost as much as not [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► updating the mac pro in three years is [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► sort of a abandonment of one particular [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► market segment this segment that the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► segment that buys you know signifies the [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► mac pro basically like it's it's all [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► part of the same thing as saying we're [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► not going to make a standalone monitor [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► and if we ever make another mac pro just [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► count your lucky stars and you're gonna [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► have to find another monitor for because [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► you don't care about like and in the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► many of the same thing [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► it's kind of like saying the desktop Mac [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► experience is the imac and other [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► computers if we decide to make them or [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► not that's fine like i don't understand [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► how Apple can be so dedicated to the mac [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► as it claims to be unless their [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► conception of the mac does not include [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► anything that doesn't come with a [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► monitor which is that may be the case [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► but like for me as a fan of max don't [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► come with monitors for a variety of [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► reasons canceling the monitor for me [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► made me feel worse than not doing the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► mac pro for three years like it made me [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► for the first time really truly doubt [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► whether they were ever going to make [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► another mac pro I don't care about the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► money like canceling the monitor that to [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► me so here I am saying there's not gonna [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► be any more displays right and many [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► people point out like how can you [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► believe the tipster is obviously all [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► completely false information whatever I [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► mean the tipster i don't i don't care [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► whatever he's just it's fun diversion [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► but finding out from three million patel [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► through tweet from Apple back channels [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► that Apple itself is telling people [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► you're out of the sand on display [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► business just crushed me [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► it crushed me to the point where i was [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► immediately trying to consider if they [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► come out with another mac pro I don't [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► think i'm going to buy one [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► I should just get an imac [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► cannot live in a world right I'm gonna [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► wait until june next year to get a new [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► mac pro and then connect the third ugly [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► third-party fivehead monitor to it [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► I don't know if I could do it and I was [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► like well if you can't do it then what [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► are you waiting for one you just buy an [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► imac why you sitting in front of the [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► ancient computer it's lower than your [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► phone now it's just ridiculous [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► just know this this monitor thing is [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► totally destroyed me [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► so you're saying in in this hypothetical [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► world where they release a new mac pro [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► let's just go just completely out of [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► left field let's say they bring back the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► cheese grater but new insides [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► everything's modern and beautiful and [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► the fans are silent and everything is [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► perfect and it's made for John siracusa [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► but because there's no apple external [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► display you would not buy that [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► hypothetical computer that's what you're [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► saying I'd have to think about my guess [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► is this is what i was up at night [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► thinking about it like what can I do it [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► and I got to say it's mostly also [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► because i know that there's no prospect [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► of any mac pro until a long time from [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► now like that it'll be even more waiting [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► if they came out with the mac pro [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► tomorrow like I would be less upset but [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► I know there's no macro coming out [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► tomorrow [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► no my proton next week no mac pro coming [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► out next month it's going to be another [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► long wait and I don't you know I've been [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► waiting a really long time right I don't [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► know if I can wait that long for the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► reward at the end of it to be whatever [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the hell decided the mac pro is now and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► oh by the way find some monitor you can [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► use with good luck [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► I don't like it you're saying that you [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► wouldn't buy this perfect John siracusa [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► mac that I've just invented a thin air [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► because you don't like the look of the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► LG monitor I possible it's possible that [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► does not compute in my mind is all parts [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► for this thing I have never had a [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► non-apple monitor I've always had a [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► series of Apple monitors John let me [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► give you a hint it it's okay they do [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► they aren't as pretty in terms of the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► bozell or bezel depending on who you're [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► talking went with but they work just [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► fine and in fact in some ways I prefer [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► my LG monitor work because it's much [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► more mad than my imac is in every other [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► measurable way up for the imac but i'm [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► sitting in front of a mad apple monitor [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► right now you really it's older than [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► your mac for up [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► yeah jacket but I [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► I mean to each their own if this is the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► way you want to live your life than [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► power times and i like that i set up i'm [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► considering this is what this is what [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► the display cancellation it did to me it [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► in the end I think I can probably stick [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it out and I wouldn't buy the current [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► imac if I was waiting for an imac [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► probably i would wait until they revise [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► it with at least a new GPU in it but [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► like what I'm trying to do is get myself [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► to the point where like I think you'd be [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► okay with that [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► my wife's got a five-year mark it's like [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► three feet over there I use it all the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► time the minor is really nice [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► it's way faster than my computer it's [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► got a one terabyte SSD the GPU is faster [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► than the one in my computer like the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► more i SAT there and use that 1i say [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► what are you waiting around her macro [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► for you know its gonna not going to be [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► good for your purposes anyway like the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► things they get me come back to his like [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► you know hear the fan on my wife's imac [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► knowledge stuff was trying to to figure [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► out should i when the next next time as [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► revised some use your eyes early next [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► year or something so I just buy it and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► not bother waiting for this mac pro [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► should i buy it and then sell it if I [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like the mac pro better [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► I've just been waiting so long for this [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► mac pro and the cancellation monitor has [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► been the strongest signal to me that [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Apple is not interested in selling me [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► the computer that i want to buy anymore [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► I mean as if the three-year way for the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► macros and signaling off but who knows [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► they could they could come out with a [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► new mac pro with their new conception of [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► what the macro is supposed to be and I [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► seriously doubt it will be anything like [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► the cheese grater you describe but [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► either way if there's no if there's no [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► display with it it's really [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► disheartening to me [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► yeah I teach their own but I just [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► man that seems bananas to me but I mean [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► did you do you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► I'm just I i canna now i realize that i [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► haven't i'm not i'm not coming down that [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► I'm definitely gonna get an imac i'm [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► just like--that's what i was thinking [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► after this announcement I feel like I've [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► come down a little bit from now but the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► on the other side of it like that the 5k [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► imac is really good it's really really [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► good computer like that like like I said [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► compared to the computer have now it is [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► better in every possible way and it's [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► like all but the GP is not going to be [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► as big as the one in [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► the matter how do you know what maybe [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► the new conception of the mac pro is to [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► have the same GPU is the the macbook pro [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► I don't know what the new mac pro is [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► going to be nobody does it just i don't [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► so I'm at this point I'm still just [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► waiting because I'm not gonna fight the [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► current imac but like it's weird to be [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► of two minds like I wish Apple had [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► confirmed more strongly and officially [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► that they're out of the sand on display [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► business because then they could have [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► line of questioning and all the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► interviews are doing is like why you got [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► the standing spray business people like [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► to buy them you can add a hundred bucks [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and get some margin do you really sell [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► so few of them that you don't want to do [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► that do not consider that part of the [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► whole system do you think you can make a [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► good monitor i mean your hold on this [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► whole p3 thing in the color calibration [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► and the retina and all that stuff you're [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► all about that except for your computers [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► don't come with a monitor which you say [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► fend for yourself in the world in the [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► land of third-party monitors maybe we'll [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► recommend one good luck with warranty [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► and repairs and by the way it's ugly I i [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► agree with you John like the that it the [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► lack of new monitor has also may be [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► unreasonably upset because I agree that [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► I think it does signal more than [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► anything so far that there probably [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► won't be another mac pro because again [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► like if they were gonna make a new mac [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► pro why would they not make a new [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► monitor to go to to go with it like do [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► they really want the only option for mac [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► pro buyers to be third-party plasticky [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► crappy monitor like is that really what [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► they want to be the only option for [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► their highest end computer I I imagine [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► that's that that's not really their [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► style you know that that's a very strong [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► indicator that as much as i want the new [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► mac pro to happen and as much as like [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► you know a tipster says that they're [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► working on sky like east if in some [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► capacity like I don't know what else [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that before accepting mac pro but [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► they've worked on previous Mac for [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► updates and not release them [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► I you know if they were apparently works [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► out of 5 can monitor and not released it [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► so if they if they really don't want to [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► make their own displays I really have to [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► look at their actions and not what i [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► want to be true and not what rumors say [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► are true or not a tipster say are true [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► have to look at just what they've done [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► publicly and what they've not important [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► what they're not done publicly and I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► just have to come to the conclusion that [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► it is very unlikely that we'll ever see [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► a macpro again [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► because if that if if that was not the [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► case we would see something about it [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► they would either have updated it all [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► this time or they would still be in the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► display business because that's pretty [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► related or something else like I again [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► like this could be wrong [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► I would love for to be wrong I would i [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► want a mac pro I don't want the best [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► computer that can run the OS i use to [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► only have 4 cpu cores or to have loud [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► fan noise when I actually drive all [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► those cores or to have diluted in the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► other ways that I'm actually compared to [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► Mac Pro's I want there to be a higher [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► ceiling and it just it it will it will [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► really crush me like a morally and my [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► enthusiasm and in this company and the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► land the mac platform as a whole because [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► you know what the mac platform is really [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► good on pro hardware it is designed for [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► pro hardware mac OS scales really well [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► two tons of cpus multiple gpus all sorts [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► of cool like opencl stuff that never [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► really took off but it still has it all [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► in there like the mac platform is [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► it is such a good professional [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► workstation OS and to have their no [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► longer be professional workstation [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► hardware that can even run it that will [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► make me very very sad but again i have [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► to look at what Apple's actually doing [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► and it just it sure looks like there's [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► never going to be other mac pro now that [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► being said i am going to keep hope up [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► that there will be 1 i'm gonna keep [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► hoping for it until next summer and if [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► we don't get on my next summer when [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► other skylake II work station platforms [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► start shipping from up from like dell [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► and HP and stuff if we don't get one [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► then I will consider it over but i am [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► going to hold up hope until then even [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► though my hopes are now we're pretty low [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► I'm about the way for the tipster like [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► the the supposed to 5k monitor with GE [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► GPU that's why I want to see the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► teardown of the LG was assuming is not [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► entirely fabricating this one [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► explanation is what you're actually [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► seeing is the internals of the LG [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► display inside Thunderbolt case inside [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► Apple because that's how Apple was [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► working on their OS side of work [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► me on this thing you know i mean it [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► doesn't mean that it was ever a product [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► that Apple was ever gonna ship you know [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► so anyway we have to see what's inside [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► this LG Display before we know that what [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the problem is those rumors are like I [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► would find it also like market would [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► find even more depressing if they [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► actually developed this thing internally [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► man never went anywhere it would be much [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► more explicable that was just you know a [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► development mule for the internals [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► actually went to the LG display and it [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► was there so Apple could do it software [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► side of it which which again is perverse [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► it's like if you're going to do this [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► cooperation with LG and let them sell [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► the monitor why let them get the margin [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► on the monitor like they're already [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► making the panel's all your stuff like [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► just wonder if you get take the margin [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► you can make a nice case for that [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► monitor maybe hike up the price 1,500 [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► bucks you think we won't pay an extra [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► 1,500 bucks over the price LG of course [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► we will like you're not gonna sell a lot [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► of them but why you know what will get [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► to this when we talk about the the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► macbook pro later but it it smells like [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► nickel and diming it's like well we [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► don't sell enough at least to care [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► totally i acknowledge they don't sell [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► one of these for it to be a blip [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► so we can save a little money by having [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► LG do it because we don't care about the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► money it's meaningless know somebody's [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► will be zero dollars and it's a lot of [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► hassle for qualifying and supporting and [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► doing warranty repairs and shipping [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► boxes like I totally see how this is a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► money loser for Apple went up you know [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► when you look at everything is involved [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► in it but sometimes you have to do [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► things like that to support the you know [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► the use case of your top end users who [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► again maybe are not profitable anymore [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► but I feel like they're an important [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► part of keeping you know like I don't go [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► through the whole hello car thing again [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► but that whole angle the monitor is part [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► of it and selling your monitors part of [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that when like and apples it apple is [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► still in lots of businesses that are [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► also low margin or not very necessary [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► for most of the customers more things [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► like they still sell their Wi-Fi routers [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► and their time capsules like why why is [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► Apple is sell an outdated wireless [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► router and they'll hear you right like [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► they're going to cancel those products [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► though rather they kill those in the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► monitors like look at like Apple II all [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► these people who try to justify what [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► Apple's doing to try to make excuses for [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► apple which you don't need to do you can [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► almost always look at other parts of the [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► Apple product line or very recent [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► history and [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► you can get contradictions to that are [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► counter-argument to that like in the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► case of the monitor thing like the apple [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► doesn't need to be in the monitor [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► business you know they don't need to be [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► any business like they used to be the [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► iphone business it's apple can do just [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► fine cutting out monitors but then why [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► are they not cutting out everything why [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that cutting out ipods apple still makes [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► an entire line of ipods and ipods are [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► actually holding back progress in things [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► like itunes like imagine if Apple could [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► totally cut itunes ipod support that [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► could free up itunes you free up so much [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► engineering resources and legacy support [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► an old stuff and you know it could [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► accelerate a possible future which [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► itunes has its functions broken up into [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► different apps that are actually good [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► like they have tons of reasons to not [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► sell ipods anymore but they still sell [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► them because of a handful of reasons are [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► good enough to keep them going [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► I don't not really sure what those are [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► but i'm sure people are buying them in [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► something to some degree right Wi-Fi [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► routers and stuff like I I don't expect [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► them to get a frequent updates i mean [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► they're already very outdated and yeah [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► who knows [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► and they're not really a great deal [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► anymore but they still sell them for [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► some reason they still sell time [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► capsules for some reason I mean talk [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► about an ancient technology the time [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► capsule is an outdated wireless router [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► with a giant spinning hard drive in it [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► they still sell that but they decided [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► that monitors aren't worth any more like [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► that that makes no sense to me unless [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► they're killing off their entire desktop [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► lines at the imac you know I'm more [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► thing to it is even just about desktops [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► lots of people connect external monitors [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► to their macbook and macbook air macbook [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► pros so it like even if they kill the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► desktops they should still have displays [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► that are sold for laptop customers like [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► the last one the the thunderbolt and an [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► LED display before that they were [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► designed for laptops they had little max [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► a charger and everything that would [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► charge laughs little g1 right these are [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► obviously doesn't solely obviously this [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► is still a business that it that exist [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► even if you kill the desktop so i don't [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► know it makes no sense [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► so we're saying that because [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► his Apple got out of the display [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► business that is the canary in the coal [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► mine for not I mac desktops and that [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► could be i don't think i agree but that [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► could be well it's one of many you know [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it's it's in the context of they haven't [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► not only have not even updated the mac [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► pro in three years and the mac mini and [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► I think as long or roughly as long but [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the blood the last update to both of [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► those products made them worse in [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► certain key ways and that they have not [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► been updated they haven't even mentioned [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► them like they weren't even honest like [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► when Apple should like the the slide of [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► the mac family weren't even on the slide [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► like the they're basically they're still [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► selling them totally unchanged for three [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► years not a single update to like gpus [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► or anything like nothing has changed so [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► that is it you know in the context of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► that where you have this very high-end [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► machine that they do a major redesign of [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► its kind of more attractive and more [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► expensive they talk about innovation a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► lot and they never talk about it again [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► that's that's not good [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► sure so in the context of that them also [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► saying you know what we're not going to [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► make our own version of this 5k display [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► which you know technically would be [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► perfect for the next model of mac pro [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► like if they if they made apple version [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► of this display and launched at the same [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► time as a macpro next year sometime [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► that'd be amazing and so many people [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► would buy that combo which would [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► probably cost like seven thousand [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► dollars but you buy it because it's we [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► waited so long and it'd be so good but I [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► again I just I don't know if I'm if I'm [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► honest with myself I really don't think [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► it's going to happen i don't think the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► lack of a monitor is any particular [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► indicator for for the the desktop is it [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► that you know I still think this is [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► their chance to update the mac pro but [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like Marco pointed out it's more of an [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► indicator that Apple Care is less about [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► configurations that involve an external [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► display because you know that had all [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► the monitors at having a little MagSafe [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► connector and it was clear it's like [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► most people are gonna buy this monitor [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► buying it because what they have a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► laptop when they sit down at the desk [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► they want a bigger screen than is [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► available on the laptop that's what [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► these screens are 40 and by the way they [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► also connect the desktop max but nobody [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► cares right and that the aesthetic and [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► this is me just me personally that [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► aesthetic of this is the main thing [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► you're looking at when using a computer [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► is you're looking at the screen like [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► what is the max look like back in the [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► original mac the whole thing was one [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► thing the screen the floppy drive the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► power supply you know eventually the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► hard drive [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► everything was all in one eventually [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► you're not looking at the computer part [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► anymore except in the case the imac [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► words on one right here your look what [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► you're looking at is a screen and then [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► you've got these tower computers your [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► mac mini for you know for the desktop [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► use cases and giving up on the monitor [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► I'm surprised even Johnny I would allow [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► this means that anybody who wants a [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► bigger screen is available on a laptop [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► is not going to be looking at an apple [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► thing and I feel like it's not like oh I [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► don't have a mac anymore just because [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► the screen is an apple screen or [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► whatever it's just like that whole that [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► whole vibe of having an entire system [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that all matches and all works together [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and that is that has the highest [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► guarantee of compatibility and [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► supportiveness over the years and is the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► most integrated with you know whatever [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► weird buttons Apple puts on whatever [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► weird keyboard control they have are [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► always going to work with the modern all [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► that stuff and LG is totally integrated [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► like that now which i emphasizing the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► keynote and maybe Apple will keep the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► update but maybe Apple lose interest and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► be like oh if you bought that old LG one [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► if it's up to LG to update us with the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► drivers are like who knows like it seems [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► like it would be less supportive but at [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► it it's just giving up on that whole [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► vibe of having all apple stuff it's part [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► of the reason that i personally like [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► buying max and taking that reason away [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► makes me less enthusiastic about getting [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► a shiny new mac if then i also have to [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► wade into the world of of third-party [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► monitors or before pictures one third [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► party monitor is literally the only one [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that works with their stuff in the [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► integrated way that I wanted to work [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► that Adam is it makes me less [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► enthusiastic to buy new mac i guess you [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► spend a lot more time looking at the [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► bezel of your monitors that I do because [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► at that thing just by looking at a 4k LG [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► monitor for now 40 to 45 hours a week [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► and I mean in a perfect world I'd like [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► two of them side-by-side or even a more [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► perfect world i guess i should say a [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► couple of Apple monitors i don't [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► disagree with you that Apple monitors [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► would be better in principle but I can't [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► say that I look at the bezel of this [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► thing particularly often in that I think [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► to myself well you know life sucks [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► because this isn't a shiny piece of [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► aluminum to each their own this is why [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► we're different people but that just [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► seems but manages to me that it used to [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► be a pc you they're so used to looking [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► at a lot of black plastic grandmas but I [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► guess I I don't view this as so [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► egregious and I mean and again to be [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► clear I don't think that this LG monitor [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► that i'm looking at 45 hours a week is [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► pretty i don't and i think it's [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► relatively ugly and I there's there's [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► problems with it doesn't have wide color [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► which to be honest I still don't see the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► difference that i can tell even my [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► iphone4 white color but whatever I I it [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► doesn't like color the the amount on it [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► that comes with it it doesn't adjust [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► height adjust its it's stationary static [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► which is annoying [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► it doesn't pitch 90 degrees which i [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► never do but it'd be nice to have the [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► option for some reason so there's plenty [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► of things I don't like about it but the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► end of the day all I'm looking at is the [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► things on the screen and in not Apple [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► not doing a monitor to me doesn't [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► necessarily mean they don't care i mean [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► look at the iphone 7 that a lot of [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► people a ton of people think that they [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► charge and listen to music at the same [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► time I know if that's true or not but a [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► lot of people seem to think it and if [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► you go to the apple accessories apple [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► iphone accessories page [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► sure enough there is a lightning audio [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► in charge cable so it's one lightning 22 [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► lightning you know who makes that [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► belkin and if Apple really gave a crap [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► about the iphone i guess they should [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► make that two right i mean it's it it's [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► not i'm going to leave to give a crap [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► about the is I'm not likely to give a [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► crap about the max just they took my [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► particular use case like I one thing [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► that they're giving up on that they [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► don't care as much about is the holistic [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► aesthetic because I forget about desktop [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► then there notice a computer that's only [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► laptops the old Apple you cared enough [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► about the overall aesthetic of like the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► system that they can put in their [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► product shots and that their ideal [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► customer [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► by to make giant expensive monitors that [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► as people in general point out always [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► way more expensive than equivalent [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► monitors for the same pals like again [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► granted right with little magsafe things [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► to charge your monitor dangling off the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► end of the like it was it was a laptop [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► accessory and why who in the world would [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► buy a laptop accessory from apple at a [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► ridiculous price because it looks really [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► nice [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► like that's that's it because it matches [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► and it looks nice right and at the end [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► they were happened to be usually good [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► monitors and I came out and they were [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► convenient and all those stuff but like [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► it's it's apple saying yeah it did look [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► nice and it was cool but the coolness [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► was not worth being in this business to [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► us anymore and the coolness to me is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► totally worth it and i would like to [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► give the money and they won't take my [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► money and I you know that it makes me [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► sad is it a good business idea is it [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► better to get out of that business it [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► was a money-loser and most people don't [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► care I don't know it's not doesn't [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► really say anything about where they [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► care about the mac or whatever it just [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► means that their priorities don't align [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► with mine this particular issue and I'm [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► sad about it right that we spend a lot [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► longer talk about that I expected my [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► goodness I don't longer thinking about [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► that than I expected but I couldn't [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► believe I'm like I seriously i was up [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► and that my wife is already sleeping [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► next to me and I'm like what i can do it [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► mighty much am I even getting a mac pro [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► just give up like yeah this is terrible [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it was little a little dark night of the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► soul when I found that monitor was [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► canceled [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► well it's not wanted an update that I [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► the mac pro for three years here I'm [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► just happily hoping like up bro i'm sure [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the updated eventually i'm just waiting [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► patiently look at me be patient no more [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► monitors like no no my thoughts and [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► prayers are with you in this difficult [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► time a damn freaks rights that Apple has [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► told him that the macbook pro maxes out [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► at sixteen 16 gigs of ram because LPD [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► r3's limit is 16 gigs of chip and Apple [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► uses it because of a performance to [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► energy ratio and then building on that [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► there was a I guess an interview or [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► somebody asked sure that doesn't email [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► to email the nightlife Schiller said and [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► I'm quoting to put more than 16 gigs of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► fast ram into a notebook designed at [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► this time would require a memory system [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that consumes much more power [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► rain wouldn't be efficient enough for [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► notebook i hope you check out this new [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► generation macbook pro really is an [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► incredible system so that is supposedly [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► and other people come to this conclusion [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► as well that is supposedly why Apple is [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► not shipping more than 16 gigs ram in [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► the macbook pros which LOL full-stop I [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► mean that's a bummer if i were to buy [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► one today I would absolutely want more [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► than 16 would i need more than 16 [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► probably not but I'd want it and that's [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► today and sometimes people want these [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► computers to last for five years that's [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► not unusual so this this is a bummer but [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► i don't really see how this is apple's [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► fault and i'm assuming one of you is [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► going to tell me well i would definitely [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► pay money for the thing that lasts two [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► hours that has 11 geeks over you know 80 [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► million gates around not two hours but [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► yeah well so before we even get to that [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► angle there has been much support for [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► the idea that this is not apple's fault [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► out there down you know this is the [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► basics of just like look the the the [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► specific cpu they're using with the the [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► good GPU whatever the good the iris pro [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► graphics or whatever doesn't have a [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► chipset that supports more memory [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► capacity and blah blah blah like this is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► a thing [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► one other thing that people brought up [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► surprisingly think of showing the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► lengths people will go to to make [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► excuses for apple is the head there is a [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► fa has a restriction of like a hundred [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► watt hours battery is right and that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► Apple can't make up a battery bigger [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► than that at you know which I don't even [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► know if that's true first of all the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► second of all let's just assume industry [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and then they followed that up by saying [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and that's why the new MacBook Pros have [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► a 76 one hour battery what we a second [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► there is that what they're saying is [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► yeah they could add that extra [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► 20-something wat hours but that wouldn't [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► be enough to power the memory system [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► subsystem required to support 32 years [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► of friends I think the actual issue as [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► with a lot of Intel stuff is not that [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► you can't have a laptop that is also [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► pretty small and light that supports 30 [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► days of rampant pretty sure del cells [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► one that's not that much bigger than [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► that you know it's thicker upgraded its [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► not that much thicker and it supports 32 [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► gigs of ram and he uses [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► the sixth generation intel chip you know [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► that the you know it's not it's not kb [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► lake or whatever i'm pretty sure it's [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► it's skylight once but but but I'm also [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► pretty sure it's not the particular sky [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► like chips that app allows users with [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the big honkin embedded GPU with the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► easier and all that other crap so I [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► still put this mostly on Apple because [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► they insist on using it only a [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► particular stream the best trained to be [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► fair they always want the best of the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► best ones with the best and better GPU [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► because a lot of the stuff and mac OS [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► uses the GPO for things right so they [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► want the best of the best and if the [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► best-of-the-best isn't available they [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► won't ship the other kind of what I was [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► thinking about is the way to potentially [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► solve this with the with the smallest [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► number of sacrifices in the short term [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► until you know another ship comes out [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that doesn't is ship the intel cpu with [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► either the crappy hit the crappy one the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► not the one that doesn't have the fancy [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► embedded GPU in it because you're [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► putting a discrete GPU and everything [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► anyway and do it the old-fashioned way [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► where you just always use discrete GPU [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► and yes that would slaughter battery [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► life and now you can support three gigs [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► of ram which is a slaughter battery life [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► even more and yes then you have to make [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► the thing three millimeters thicker and [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► then you'd probably have to make it a [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► separate model and then why we have [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► accepted that the separate model is just [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► as we are transitional thing like the [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► fat macbook pro for people who need all [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► this crap and I just gets right back to [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► the original argument which is that's [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► not what Apple wants to do whatever so [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► in the end I don't think this is that [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► big a deal because i think actually in [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► this case given the constraints put on [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► them by Intel they probably made the [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► right choice because what they're [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► designing this macbook pro case i assume [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► the 15-inch macbook pro case will be [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► with us for free a pretty long time I [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► don't expect them to shave another two [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► millimeters off next year I expected [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► this case to be the guts to be swapped [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► out of it and new guts to be put into it [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► right and if it just so happens that [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► Intel doesn't give them anything they [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► can fit in this case with this much [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► battery with regional battery life it is [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► a better choice to limit the 16 to keep [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► the battery life and what it is like [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► it's a better choice economically [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► speaking and for uniformity it would be [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► a better choice for customers who have [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► very demanding to all to make that other [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► model just for them but boy that's [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► asking a lot of a company that is trying [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► to narrow things down and it hasn't [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► updated the mac pro in three years to [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► make a special one-off model just for [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► this generation of intel cpu because it [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► can support 32 gigs of ram that is [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► thicker and has more battery and uses a [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► different arrangement of cpu and GPU and [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► also still gets worse battery life [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► that's just not a thing that Apple is [TS]