Podcast Search

Connected

355: Roast my Menu Bar

Select a time to play from there. The line being spoken is highlighted as the audio plays.

0:00:00(dramatic music)

0:00:02- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 355.

0:00:07It's made possible this week by our sponsors,

0:00:09Squarespace, Indeed, and ExpressVPN.

0:00:12My name is Stephen Hackett,

0:00:13I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

0:00:16- Hello.

0:00:17- What's up?

0:00:18- Nothing, how are you?

0:00:19- I'm good.

0:00:20We're also joined by Federico Vittucci.

0:00:22- Hello, hi, how are you?

0:00:24- Hello, we're all here.

0:00:25- Yes, we are.

0:00:28- Let's just get into it.

0:00:29- Okay, let's just get into it.

0:00:31So last week we were talking about the possibility

0:00:35of an iPhone getting an Apple Watch-like LTPO display,

0:00:40and we wondered if that could mean an always-on display.

0:00:42I think something that we all want.

0:00:44Well, Mark Gurman heard that and went out and reported

0:00:48that yes, it is looking like the iPhone 13,

0:00:53or at least the 13 Pro probably,

0:00:57will include an always on display.

0:01:00- Tip tech meme.

0:01:01- I mean, this article is like three days old,

0:01:03so I think they probably--

0:01:04- We should have tip tech meme last week.

0:01:06- Three days ago.

0:01:07- When we were talking about this.

0:01:08- In my mind, this is very similar to how Android does it,

0:01:10where you get the time and maybe some notification stuff.

0:01:13Like this isn't gonna be your wallpaper all the time, right?

0:01:15It's gonna be some sort of--

0:01:16- You could put complications, Apple Watch complications.

0:01:20- That'd be awesome.

0:01:21- Why not?

0:01:22- Why not?

0:01:23- Little bits of info.

0:01:23I get like a little carrot with the thing.

0:01:25- Sometimes they update, sometimes they don't.

0:01:27Sometimes maybe not sometimes maybe you know, I would love complications get a little fantastic how going on, you know

0:01:34Here's your next meeting be nice. I

0:01:36Would like that you too on the subject of always on displays

0:01:39I am becoming frustrated with the brightness level of my series 5 always on apple. Okay, it's not bright enough

0:01:46And I wanted to know from two series 6 owners how much brighter is it?

0:01:52Really like in Federica you might be better for this because you've been spending a bunch of time at the beach

0:01:56In like bright sunlight, can you actually clearly read the Apple Watch display?

0:02:01Steven, you stay inside all the time. You're not helped to any.

0:02:03But I've worn three watches in three weeks, so I went from a six to a five back to a six.

0:02:08Okay, that's also a good point.

0:02:10So Federico, yours first and Steven, I want to know what you think.

0:02:14I feel like I have no idea.

0:02:16Like it's not something I've particularly paid attention to.

0:02:19No, but what I'm saying is, with your watch, when you're at the beach, you can see the screen clearly.

0:02:24I mean I see the time. Yeah? Yes.

0:02:28Because like today I was walking to the studio and I could barely see the time on my Apple watch because the sun was so bright.

0:02:35We are going through a bit of a heat wave here in London so it's like particularly the sun is very strong.

0:02:41Oh yeah this is how you know you're talking to a British person in the summer they complain about the heat.

0:02:46I mean it's like 31 degrees Celsius here today.

0:02:4831? Yeah. Alright 31 is pretty hot. Like 88 degrees or something.

0:02:53Okay, that's as hot as it is here.

0:02:55Yeah, so don't even come at me with this.

0:02:57Well, I'm not complaining about it.

0:02:58Doesn't it just rain in your country all the time?

0:03:00No, it actually doesn't rain that much.

0:03:03Have some crumpets.

0:03:04It actually doesn't rain that much.

0:03:06The only, I think, Stephen,

0:03:07the only time you've ever been here it was hot like that.

0:03:09So your entire perception of this country

0:03:12is it's always this hot, so don't even.

0:03:14That's true, and we had an apartment

0:03:16with no air conditioning.

0:03:17Yeah, exactly, and that was your own mistake.

0:03:20Well, look, well, here's the thing.

0:03:22Okay, I agree with Grey, you and Grey have talked about this.

0:03:25Y'all should just build buildings with air conditioning.

0:03:26It's not like the climate is cooling, it's doing the opposite.

0:03:29Oh no, it's happening now.

0:03:30New places are getting air conditioning put into them.

0:03:33We are talking about the weather.

0:03:35All I wanted to know was the question about sunlight and then everyone's coming at me.

0:03:39No, no.

0:03:40I haven't gone anywhere.

0:03:42I'm not coming at you.

0:03:43Okay.

0:03:44I haven't gone anywhere.

0:03:45I'm still here.

0:03:46I didn't come at you.

0:03:47Alright, so Federico, you don't have an opinion.

0:03:49Steven, do you have an opinion?

0:03:51It is noticeably brighter. In fact, I really noticed...

0:03:55Is it though?

0:03:56It is.

0:03:57Okay.

0:03:58I really noticed when I was wearing my Series 5, like, I could even, like, out of the corner

0:04:01of my eye, notice it was much darker. And the 6, like, the delta between the sort of

0:04:09wrist down and wrist up isn't very big. It's way brighter.

0:04:14Okay.

0:04:15Go get a Series 6.

0:04:17No, this isn't that, is it, right? Because we're approaching August. We're like six weeks away from

0:04:22the next Apple one. It's the worst time. I'm kind of only thinking, wouldn't it be great though if

0:04:28I did buy it now? Because it's after that time when Federico said I definitely would have gotten one

0:04:33and now I get one. No, I'm waiting because as well like I want them to do, I'm hoping that they'll do

0:04:39a ceramic one, which I don't think they will, but I'm gonna wait. Yeah, in fact now that you mention

0:04:45I feel like there's a gap in my memory.

0:04:48Like why are you wearing?

0:04:51Because you've been mentioning the Apple Watch frequently as of late.

0:04:56Like on upgrade as well.

0:04:59Yeah, I'm on a bit of a fitness focus right now.

0:05:03Ah, okay.

0:05:04I want accurate step day and all that kind of stuff.

0:05:07The difference of like when I wear my Apple Watch to when I don't

0:05:12is like multiple thousands of steps a day.

0:05:15Like if I just have my iPhone tracking it,

0:05:19and I know why, because I just leave my iPhone

0:05:21and I walk around, right?

0:05:22Like, you know, just like in the studio,

0:05:24walking around the home or whatever.

0:05:26And also I just don't think the iPhone is as good as it.

0:05:28But like, you know, it could be the difference

0:05:30between eight and 10,000 steps a day

0:05:33as to whether I wear my Apple Watch or not.

0:05:35So I want that.

0:05:37And then just, also when I'm wearing my Apple Watch,

0:05:41I do feel like I am focusing more on my health, because in my mind that's what it is for.

0:05:47So I'm back on that train again.

0:05:51So I was right after all.

0:05:54About what?

0:05:55About you using the Apple Watch.

0:05:57You know, your thing was "I will buy a Series 6".

0:06:00And also I'm like begrudgingly using it.

0:06:03I mean you wanna buy it, you just don't wanna buy it because otherwise I'm gonna be right.

0:06:09But there was a time frame for you. You said you will buy it by this point and it didn't

0:06:14happen. Anyway, put this aside, I'm disappointed in our listeners.

0:06:18Okay. That's harsh.

0:06:19I had to share my diss... Oh, I'm not angry at them.

0:06:22I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.

0:06:24The weird fish emoji went to the final round of the emoji awards for like the most 2021

0:06:31emoji and it got beaten by the syringe emoji.

0:06:34I have complaints, not about our listeners, but this so-called Emoji Awards account, whoever's

0:06:41running this, their finger was on the scale.

0:06:45100%.

0:06:46They didn't want this to win.

0:06:47I wanted to mention this as well.

0:06:50The phrasing, they did not want the Minecraft to win.

0:06:54The phrasing of the tweets.

0:06:56So for example, okay, here we go, the final vote, your two options for the emoji, the

0:07:01best sum up the years so far are syringe, a symbol of vaccine optimism, microbe, often

0:07:07used to represent coronavirus. I mean, what do you think people are gonna vote for? It's

0:07:13not fair. Not fair. But to be fair, we were putting our fingers on the scales on the other

0:07:19side, but nevertheless. Yeah, but we're not running it, right? That's true. That's true.

0:07:23We're just citizens of the world. Yeah. And also, like, isn't it a bit suspicious that

0:07:31the weird fish was winning and then in the last day it was not winning anymore.

0:07:36Yeah.

0:07:37So, I don't know.

0:07:38I don't feel bad for trying to rig the election in our favor.

0:07:42No, this is purely marketing, right?

0:07:45There's always marketing in elections.

0:07:47We're just campaigning.

0:07:48We are campaigning for the weird fish emoji.

0:07:50Our platform was "It's a weird fish".

0:07:53Yeah, that is our entire...

0:07:56That's our platform.

0:07:57That's our campaign slogan.

0:07:58It's a weird fish.

0:07:59Yes.

0:08:00I feel like that the election committee, i.e. the people running that Twitter account,

0:08:05they were putting their finger on the scales. The election was stolen is what we're saying.

0:08:10Yeah, that is what we're saying. And I'm also disappointed in our listeners. Just because I

0:08:14know how many people listen to this show, right, and I saw how many people voted, and that's a

0:08:20massive difference. That's why I'm disappointed in our listeners, because they didn't put the votes

0:08:24in. I would like to call up for a recount. Well, we can only call for a recount if

0:08:30our listeners will actually put the votes in, otherwise we're just gonna be

0:08:33back in the same point again. Unless we really put our finger on the

0:08:39scale. Really go for it. It's a bummer. It's really a dark day for democracy. I agree. As of this

0:08:47recording, there are just 10 days left for my Apple hardware calendar

0:08:52Kickstarter. Wow, this has gone by fast. I know. Right, what did you do, 30 days? Yeah. Man, that's gone by quick.

0:08:59Yes, yes it has. So, you should get on this, you should get a calendar,

0:09:06and some stickers, and some postcards, and prints, you know, digital files. There's

0:09:12lots of good stuff. Mm-hmm. Go check it out. Please. Do you have a plan for

0:09:18for shipping all of these? I need you all to come to Memphis. The plan is it's currently July and

0:09:30they need to be with people by December that's the plan right? Lots of time is the plan. Yeah so I'm

0:09:36going to set up shipping central over in the new side of my office and ship them out. Okay. Yeah

0:09:45Yeah, I'm worried that like, for you,

0:09:48and like, I don't know if any of us can accurately estimate

0:09:52the sheer scale of what will probably be

0:09:55over a thousand calendars.

0:09:58It's gonna be rough, man.

0:09:59Yeah, I was talking to the Studio Neat Boys

0:10:02and they were like, yeah, it's like, you know,

0:10:04there's a certain number where it makes sense

0:10:06to like talk to a fulfillment company.

0:10:08And I think I'm gonna end up like basically

0:10:10right at that cutoff, but I didn't budget for that.

0:10:14So...

0:10:16I feel like a thousand, though, you could do it.

0:10:18I think so.

0:10:19It would take a long time, but you could do it.

0:10:20If it were closer to 1,500, I would more seriously look at an outside group.

0:10:26But the plan is right now just to buckle down and probably have a couple of weekends with

0:10:31a couple of friends over.

0:10:34And even if you budget for shipping 30 of those each day for a month, that seems more

0:10:42manageable.

0:10:43- That actually seems really doable

0:10:45when you put it that way.

0:10:46- Or spend two hours a day on it, right?

0:10:48Like I could get through it.

0:10:49The other thing I think I'm gonna do,

0:10:51I need to talk to some people,

0:10:53but I'm thinking about having basically two stages

0:10:56where I package them and there's a stack

0:10:59of the thousand calendars.

0:11:01- Well, no, because--

0:11:02- And 500 of them have prints and 500 of them don't.

0:11:05And so I can pack them all and then just do labels.

0:11:08And I don't know, we'll see how the flow's gonna work.

0:11:10- But what about the people

0:11:11that have ordered more than one calendar?

0:11:13- I will be contacting them.

0:11:14So I've gotten this question a lot.

0:11:16If you want more than one calendar,

0:11:17Kickstarter lets you manually adjust your pledge

0:11:21and just have it for the full amount of whatever you want.

0:11:25Anything, a unique amount, I'm gonna filter out

0:11:27and I'll double check with those people

0:11:29that they get what they want.

0:11:31- Also-- - Have you bought

0:11:32a label printer yet?

0:11:33- Yes, it's right here in the box next to my desk.

0:11:36- Good.

0:11:37- I'm just saying, Steven, but you have three children.

0:11:40That's a very good point.

0:11:43But I want them to go to the right place.

0:11:45Yeah, but, you know.

0:11:47At least putting them in the envelopes, you know, without the labels.

0:11:50I'm just saying.

0:11:53Right now, I've come against a little problem with the prints.

0:11:57So I'm talking to the company that's doing the printing, it's all here local.

0:12:02And just on a whim, I was like, "Hey, when I get these 500, 600, 700 sets of prints,

0:12:09they're gonna be collated, right?

0:12:10And he was like, "Let me get back in touch with you

0:12:15about that."

0:12:15And I haven't heard back, so that--

0:12:17- What do you mean by collate?

0:12:18Like, what do you mean?

0:12:19- So there's, how many prints is it?

0:12:2314 prints.

0:12:25And so in my mind, they were just gonna come

0:12:29in sets of 14, but what I'm afraid is they're gonna come

0:12:31in sets of 500 or 600 or whatever,

0:12:33and then I've gotta put the sets of 14 together myself.

0:12:36- Oh, you 100% are going to be doing that.

0:12:38Yeah, so I've asked could they be could they be collated and that was like a week ago

0:12:42And I haven't heard anything. That's gonna cost a lot of money because that's gonna be like done by hand

0:12:47So you're gonna have to choose and I'm telling you you're gonna be sitting there with five stacks of 500 and you're gonna be

0:12:54Taking one of each. Probably. Put them in an envelope

0:12:56And you get to the end and you'll have one left of one extra of each one. Then you have to start all over again

0:13:03Oh, no

0:13:07See this is you know what it says is all really a good idea of the timing because this is the only kind of kickstart

0:13:13Campaign where people don't care when they get it so you can ship it slowly

0:13:17People aren't gonna care when they get it as long as they get it before the year starts. Mm-hmm, you know, yeah

0:13:22you're probably fine. I think so and

0:13:24You know, I have already learned the lesson

0:13:28I'm sure I will learn it even more that man making mp3s and markdown is a lot easier than making physical goods

0:13:33Stephen let me tell you right now you have yet to learn this lesson because

0:13:37do where you are right now everything's purely theoretical you learn this lesson

0:13:42when things are printed that's when you learn you have a tractor trailer full of

0:13:47calendars backing up to my house exactly when there's a truck and there's boxes

0:13:51and that's when you've learned this lesson you haven't learned it yet or

0:13:55you also because nothing's gone wrong yet yeah there could be misprints yes

0:14:01- Yes. Well, no, I guarantee you there will be, and you'll just have to deal with them.

0:14:04Because that's the way this stuff goes.

0:14:06- We are saying, Steven, good luck.

0:14:10- Yeah, good luck.

0:14:11- We love you.

0:14:12- Yeah.

0:14:13- And I mean, if it's in the family, it's not really child labor, is what I'm saying.

0:14:17- Just helping out dad.

0:14:19- Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, learning how to work as an adult, but you're a child.

0:14:28- So there we go.

0:14:30I may just call everybody I know, but please come over.

0:14:34Yes, yes.

0:14:37Including Joe from the neighborhood.

0:14:39Joe, I need a label!

0:14:42And your electrician.

0:14:43Yeah.

0:14:44Doesn't have a name.

0:14:45Just The Electrician.

0:14:46Well, you know, I don't want to dox him.

0:14:49The electrician.

0:14:50The new breakout character of Connected Pro.

0:14:53Go to getconnectedpro.co if you want to learn more about The Electrician.

0:14:57The electrician.

0:14:58Yes.

0:14:59(laughing)

0:15:00This episode of Connected is brought to you by Squarespace.

0:15:05Squarespace is the all-in-one platform

0:15:07to build your presence and run your business online.

0:15:11From websites and online stores

0:15:13to marketing tools and analytics,

0:15:14they have everything that you need to get going.

0:15:18They combine cutting-edge design

0:15:19and world-class engineering,

0:15:21making it easier than ever to establish your home online

0:15:25and to make your ideas a reality.

0:15:27Squarespace has everything you need

0:15:29to create a beautiful and modern website.

0:15:32You start with professionally designed templates

0:15:34and use drag and drop tools to make it your own.

0:15:36If you need a image over here,

0:15:38you need to add a page over there,

0:15:40you're not diving into code,

0:15:41you're not writing CSS and HTML,

0:15:44you can if you want to.

0:15:46But for most of us,

0:15:46drag and drop gets the job done perfectly.

0:15:49You can customize the look and feel,

0:15:51the settings, the products,

0:15:52and more with just a few clicks.

0:15:55And all Squarespace websites are optimized for mobile.

0:15:58Your content automatically adjusts

0:15:59so it will look great on any device.

0:16:01You get free unlimited hosting, top of the line security,

0:16:06and dependable resources to help you succeed.

0:16:09You don't have to worry about upgrades and patches.

0:16:11They have award-winning 24/7 customer support

0:16:14if you run into any questions.

0:16:16Their system lets you quickly and easily grab

0:16:18a unique domain name, or if you bring your own,

0:16:20their DNS tools are really easy to use.

0:16:23Plus, you'll have everything you need for SEO

0:16:25and email marketing to get your ideas out there.

0:16:27What I love about Squarespace is they have the tools to really build anything you want.

0:16:33So if you just need a simple promotional website for your business, you could put together

0:16:37an afternoon.

0:16:38But if you need a blog or host a podcast or have a store, you can do that too.

0:16:43You don't have to go out and download plugins and bolt things on.

0:16:46It's all built in with Squarespace.

0:16:49Head on over to squarespace.com/connected for a free trial with no credit card acquired.

0:16:55And when you're ready to go use the offer code connected to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain

0:17:01That's Squarespace.com/connected

0:17:05And you decide to sign up use the offer code connected to get 10% off your first purchase and to show your support for the show

0:17:13Our thanks to Squarespace for their support of connected and all of relay FM

0:17:18So people have started receiving the smart battery packs, I believe including my two co-hosts

0:17:25Oh, yeah, do you mean to open it?

0:17:27If you would like to yeah, okay, let me let me do a little

0:17:30Unboxing ASMR for everybody. Okay, this better be good

0:17:34Oh I missed the tape

0:17:53Okay, I'm opening the box.

0:17:55Here it is. Here it is on the desk.

0:17:59That's good. That's good. Now that's my stuff. Okay. I'm sliding it out of the box. Yeah.

0:18:05Oh boy.

0:18:07I have to undo the tape.

0:18:09Get it. All right. I'm now going to unwrap it.

0:18:18I've gone red. It is unwrapped. I'm a little embarrassed. I've gone red. I can feel my

0:18:31face has gotten warm. I'm feeling it. This thing is not good looking. Oh now you're talking

0:18:36to me. There it is. There it is. There you go. It doesn't look very good. This might

0:18:41be a functional product but like every picture I've seen of it, it looks kind of weird. But

0:18:46But to be honest, I felt that way about the smart battery case as well.

0:18:49The case always looked kind of weird and ugly, and this thing looks strange.

0:18:56But I'm sure it does the job.

0:18:59Although probably not very efficiently.

0:19:01It's fine, it charges a bit slow.

0:19:03I mean it's 5 watts, so what are you expecting?

0:19:08As I thought, it looks...

0:19:11It's fine on a Pro Max.

0:19:14I think it looks a bit ridiculous.

0:19:15I've seen the photos attached to an iPhone 12 mini.

0:19:18- Can I not charge it on a MagSafe puck?

0:19:22- No.

0:19:23- What?

0:19:24- Yeah, you have to charge it.

0:19:25Okay, well I saw Jeremy Burge tweeting about this today

0:19:28because of like, he lives on a boat,

0:19:30our good friend Jeremy, who I don't think was involved

0:19:33in the rigging of the emoji election.

0:19:35- Oh, until we know he's the one to blame.

0:19:39I mean, when you run an operation,

0:19:41look, Myke, you now know this.

0:19:42Federica, you know this, we're all business owners.

0:19:44- Yep.

0:19:45stops with us and if not us the one true John so we need to know who the one true

0:19:50John is inside Emojipedia and we'll blame them. Okay that's cool so whoever the one

0:19:54true John is inside of Emojipedia they're probably to blame but he was

0:19:59tweaked because he's got MagSafe everywhere on his boat and has now

0:20:02needed to add a cable to the boat because it's just easier because he has very

0:20:07limited space like so MagSafe is good for him because there aren't a lot of

0:20:10surface spaces when you live on a boat and now he needs a case for his for his

0:20:15new chargey thing. This looks so stupid I have the battery plugged in and the

0:20:19phone on top of the battery. Okay so I mean obviously I just opened it.

0:20:24Federico what are your thoughts on this? You've had more time than me. It's one of

0:20:31those things where I got pretty much exactly what I expected. It's a small

0:20:37white brick that attaches magnetically to the back of the phone. I was also

0:20:42confused by the lack of MagSafe. Like I thought that I could just put it on top of a MagSafe

0:20:50charger and that it would charge, and I think it's kind of silly that it doesn't. Like,

0:20:55why it charges via the iPhone, right? Or no. Am I confused? This is all very confusing,

0:21:04the reverse charging deal. No, it doesn't charge via the iPhone unless the iPhone...

0:21:10If you plug the iPhone in and the battery is attached, it will charge the battery as

0:21:14well as the phone.

0:21:16And that's reverse charging, right?

0:21:18Yeah.

0:21:19So if that's possible, then why can I not put it on top of a MagSafe charger?

0:21:24I don't know.

0:21:25That's silly, right?

0:21:26It's silly, right?

0:21:27Because it can charge from a MagSafe device, so why not from an actual MagSafe pad?

0:21:33I even tried it upside down to touch the rings together and it just didn't do anything.

0:21:38Because it feels like this product is primarily aimed at people like Federico and Jeremy of

0:21:47like "you're all in on MagSafe, right?"

0:21:51But now add a lightning cable to the mix, right?

0:21:54That thing you've been trying to get rid of?

0:21:56Add that back in.

0:21:57Exactly.

0:21:58So I don't want to have that, which is silly and I hope that maybe this is the kind of

0:22:02thing that can be fixed with the software update.

0:22:04I don't know.

0:22:05Otherwise, it's pretty much what I expected.

0:22:09It's the right size.

0:22:12I would have preferred to have more color options.

0:22:15And I would have preferred to have MagSafe on the outer side as well.

0:22:22So that I could do iPhone, MagSafe battery, and wallet attached to the battery.

0:22:28Oh, I bet you know why it doesn't work?

0:22:31Because the magnets are the same magnet as in the puck,

0:22:36because it has to stick to the phone, right?

0:22:39So, like, it can't magnetically attach to the puck.

0:22:45You see what I mean?

0:22:46I got it lined up for a second,

0:22:47and the amber light on the battery flickered.

0:22:50But I don't -- I can't tell if it's --

0:22:51Yeah, it flickers, but it does not --

0:22:53No, it doesn't charge.

0:22:55Did I tell y'all I bought a MagSafe Duo charger?

0:22:58Oh, no. Nice.

0:23:00for travel and Mary is using it.

0:23:02She's at the beach this week and she gives it a thumbs up.

0:23:04So I mean, this is fine.

0:23:06Like it's not very pretty,

0:23:09but I do like that you can separate it

0:23:14and your phone doesn't have to be enormous all the time.

0:23:18Like with the smart battery case,

0:23:20you were just committed to having megaphone

0:23:22all the time, right?

0:23:23- Yes, it doesn't completely wreck your phone

0:23:29for the whole time you maybe potentially want to charge.

0:23:32And that's what I like about it, how I can bring this along

0:23:37and it doesn't take that much space in a bag when we're going to the beach

0:23:41or if I'm going somewhere and I have a backpack, for example.

0:23:45It doesn't take a lot of space, it doesn't ruin my phone

0:23:48and I can snap it on just when needed.

0:23:51And that's, for me, that's the appeal of MagSafe.

0:23:54Like, the fact that you can mix and match different kinds of accessories,

0:24:00and they always attach the same way.

0:24:02And what's also nice is that you can see the battery status in the widget on the iPhone.

0:24:10Right now it shows you the wrong icon for it in iOS 15 beta, but it's correct in 14.7.

0:24:16So I assume that in beta 4 it'll show you the proper icon for the MaxApe battery pack.

0:24:21Yeah, it's like that UPS thing again, right?

0:24:24Yes.

0:24:25I've seen someone post a picture of that.

0:24:26It just shows you a lightning cable right now.

0:24:29In 15 it shows you a lightning connector.

0:24:35But it's right in 14.7.

0:24:37Yeah, it's always kind of funny running a beta when there's new hardware out because

0:24:41the beta often doesn't know about the hardware.

0:24:43It's like, "Oh, we've got to do it over there too."

0:24:47Yeah.

0:24:48I mean, I think for travel this is going to be a nice option.

0:24:51If you need more power than this or faster power for this, then you get a battery with

0:24:57a cable, right?

0:24:58But if you don't need that, you just kind of need something to keep your phone on like

0:25:01a low simmer on a flight, I think it's going to be great.

0:25:05Yeah, I think that honestly my biggest issue with it is just that the battery isn't big

0:25:13enough.

0:25:14Like if I'm getting a product like this, I want at least one full charge out of it and

0:25:20it seems like with the max this won't do that and so like that would be you know

0:25:25for me the main reason I wouldn't want a product like this I go get if I'm gonna

0:25:30get a battery pack I want to be able to get at least one full charge mm-hmm but

0:25:35you know because if you really want it that bad just buy multiples of them get

0:25:39like utility belt like Batman and just like or like Chewbacca's like crossbody

0:25:45thing you know have a bunch of money I have no idea what that means I know

0:25:49It's a Star War.

0:25:51I know, Chewbacca's like the bear, right?

0:25:54Yeah.

0:25:55Sure.

0:25:56Like Bigfoot guy.

0:25:58Yeah, he's furry.

0:25:59Yeah.

0:26:00Very Bigfoot-like.

0:26:01I like that it's here since I'm now running iOS 15 on my phone, I could use the extra battery life, so that's good.

0:26:08The design, I saw some people on Twitter talking, it kind of looks like an iPod, you know, it's just like rounded corners and smooth.

0:26:14I was texting with Quinn Nelson last night and I was like, "It looks like if Apple made

0:26:21a cigarette pack, this is what it would look like."

0:26:23Oh my god.

0:26:26I wonder if that's like a reference, it's like a little up to wall for Quinn.

0:26:31What iPods or cigarettes?

0:26:33Cigarettes.

0:26:34Or both.

0:26:35Probably both.

0:26:36He's very young.

0:26:37He's very tall.

0:26:38Quinn's been quite critical of it on Twitter.

0:26:41Yeah, he's cranky about stuff, I don't know.

0:26:43Yeah. What's up with that guy?

0:26:44YouTubers, am I right?

0:26:45Oh gosh, yeah. Oh, I got a vlog!

0:26:48[laughter]

0:26:49When you put this thing on, how would you hold your phone?

0:26:53Do you hold the battery, or do you hold the phone?

0:26:56No, I hold the phone. I got big ads, man.

0:26:58So you can, like, grip all the way around.

0:27:00Here's how I'm doing it.

0:27:02It is now... I now have a pinky-sized slot under the battery.

0:27:07And my pinky goes there.

0:27:10So I guess I'm mostly holding the battery.

0:27:12Because that was what was good about the first ugliest one of those cases.

0:27:17Because the second one, the battery went all the way to the bottom, right?

0:27:21But the first one, the battery was just in the middle, like a little backpack.

0:27:24And that made it really comfortable to hold, actually.

0:27:27So I guess it's kind of going back to that.

0:27:29According to a report from Nikkei of Asia, the next generation of AirPods

0:27:34are going into mass production in August, so we'll likely see them in September.

0:27:38Not really a lot, but also in that report is something a bit more interesting I think

0:27:43is that in the iPhone is regarding the iPhone SE.

0:27:46So they state that an updated version of the iPhone SE is due in 2022.

0:27:51And it will be intended to replace the iPhone mini after the poor sales of the iPhone mini,

0:27:56the 12 mini, which we've heard about before.

0:27:58So like Apple kind of committed to making a mini this year, because they committed to

0:28:02that before they put the 12 mini on sale.

0:28:05And it seems like the 12 mini has had poor sales.

0:28:07I think it had been end of life earlier.

0:28:10So like they had enough in inventory that they thought would sell throughout

0:28:13the life of the phone. So they stopped making them.

0:28:15They're going to be doing a 13 mini,

0:28:17but then after that there will be no more mini phone. The SE,

0:28:22the 2022 SE will be a 5G capable phone,

0:28:25but it is expected to keep the old design. So it will gain an A15 chip,

0:28:30but we'll still have a touch ID, home button, LCD display,

0:28:35you know, like basically the SE of now.

0:28:37But then for 2022, Apple is still planning on four phones,

0:28:43but there will be two versions of the larger size.

0:28:46So we would get iPhone 14 and 14 Max,

0:28:48and then iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max.

0:28:52- I mean, I think it makes sense

0:28:55to take the mini form factor

0:28:57and just use it for an SE phone.

0:29:01- No, but they're not doing that.

0:29:02That's what I'm saying.

0:29:04- Yeah, but I'm saying that makes sense.

0:29:05Do that instead.

0:29:07Because--

0:29:08- Oh, but that's expensive.

0:29:09- It is now, but would it be in two or three years?

0:29:12The SE has always used the old design, right?

0:29:15So it used the 5S design when everything got bigger,

0:29:19and now it uses the design of the 8

0:29:20when everything has face ID.

0:29:22It's like, where does that go

0:29:25unless there's some another redesign coming?

0:29:28- I still feel like the face ID stuff and the screens

0:29:32are still just so much more expensive than touch ID and an LCD screen.

0:29:37I think that's what's happening.

0:29:40So, sorry everybody that loves the Mini.

0:29:43- Yeah, this is gonna be a year

0:29:45where my wife gets a back-to-back update,

0:29:47'cause if it goes away,

0:29:48it's like, gets you the newest, tiniest phone I can,

0:29:52and you'll be set for a while.

0:29:53- You know, maybe like in 2024,

0:29:56they'll make an SE that looks like the 12 Mini.

0:29:59- Yeah, yeah, I think,

0:30:00unless something really wild is coming,

0:30:03like, I don't know, like in-screen touch ID or something,

0:30:08like from what they have now,

0:30:11the 12 mini chassis is the obvious successor to the SE.

0:30:16It's just a matter of when or if they can do it,

0:30:18'cause to your point, the way they've done it in the past,

0:30:21they've been able to like,

0:30:22"Oh yeah, we're just like still making the 5S,"

0:30:24and just like change out the processor and the cameras

0:30:27and you have an SE, right?

0:30:28Like they've done it in a way that can be really cheap

0:30:30and maybe that's not possible now, but...

0:30:33I hope they don't cancel. Like, this isn't, um...

0:30:37This isn't a phone for me, but it's a phone for a lot of people.

0:30:42The SE I understand.

0:30:44I still struggle...

0:30:46to understand the mini. It's like, there's people that use the mini,

0:30:51like, non-ironically, and then I get--

0:30:53I know. I have two people in my life that love it and swear by it.

0:30:57One of them is underscore.

0:31:00This is fascinating. Is it like the novelty effect of going back to a small phone where

0:31:08like you don't really like the small phone, you like that they made it again? Because

0:31:13like, I don't know, would you go back to a small television in your house? Like, oh,

0:31:18look how beautiful this small television is.

0:31:21I think the thing is, for a lot of people, it is that like, it is a device just to be

0:31:26held in the hand. Like, your phone is always to be held in your hand, and if the big phones

0:31:30are uncomfortable for you, then fine. The big funny I understand, but like even like

0:31:35the regular size, like the SE and the Pro, like that feels like just big enough, like

0:31:42the mini is so small and the trade-offs for it. Like, I think ultimately Federico, what

0:31:48you are saying is the way that things are played out. Most people, vastly most people

0:31:54believe that it is worth going bigger and staying that way, not going back. Otherwise

0:31:59Apple would make this mini phone forever.

0:32:02Believe it or not, Apple's a company that loves money.

0:32:05They're motivated by money.

0:32:06Interesting.

0:32:07And so if products sell, they keep making them.

0:32:11I think a lot of people are going to take this as a personal affront or a spike that

0:32:15Apple is putting on them, right?

0:32:18Like they did in the mini year gap where the SE was older and older before they made the

0:32:23SE2, right?

0:32:24People begrudgingly went up to the iPhone X or something because they thought the SE

0:32:29was never coming back.

0:32:30- But I know people, and I think we all know people,

0:32:33who begrudgingly got a bigger phone

0:32:34and now would never go back.

0:32:36And Adina is one of those.

0:32:37She resisted getting a new iPhone for so long.

0:32:41She had like a 4S and a 5, and she did not want to do it.

0:32:46And then she was really excited about the iPhone 10.

0:32:49She loved the camera and stuff, so we got her an iPhone 10.

0:32:52And now, like when the Mini came out,

0:32:54I was like, "What do you want?"

0:32:55She's like, "No way, I like a big screen now."

0:32:57and people who know my wife, she is a very small person.

0:33:01And so you would expect that she would maybe

0:33:03want the small phone, but no,

0:33:04I like the big screen on my phone

0:33:06because I do everything on my phone, right?

0:33:08This is what ends up happening for people.

0:33:11They just move to a big phone and they stay.

0:33:14And it's not necessarily the Max, right?

0:33:16The Max is humongous.

0:33:17It's a massive phone.

0:33:19- Too much.

0:33:20- The regular ones, either the 12 or the 12 Pro,

0:33:23they're great, right?

0:33:26Like, it's a great size for most people.

0:33:28And I know if you like the Mini, like, that's awesome.

0:33:30And I'm sure that you love it, right?

0:33:33But unfortunately, you don't have enough comrades.

0:33:37-Yeah, I feel like I struggle to --

0:33:39I've always struggled to understand the Mini,

0:33:42because with age, I've realized that holding small gadgets

0:33:46is really, really, really bad for my hands.

0:33:49This is also why, like, I wanted to start playing Metroid,

0:33:54like an old GBA game on an actual Nintendo DS that I still have and nope, cannot do it

0:34:02anymore. Too small, right? Too small, too small. You know, I actually think the pandemic

0:34:07has been pretty kind to the 12 mini because a lot of people have not realized how bad

0:34:12their battery life will be. Yeah, very good point. I think that is a thing that a lot

0:34:17of people that maybe even own that phone will have not yet realized is that the battery

0:34:21life is really bad on it compared to what you would have come from before.

0:34:27Like, can you imagine, nobody's ever happy with the battery life of their phone.

0:34:30Can you imagine losing multiple hours of battery life?

0:34:35Like that's gonna be pretty rough.

0:34:38Still though, if you like your mini, I mean this is like every time we talk about it we

0:34:43got a bunch of really upset people.

0:34:46And we joke about it, you know, we understand that different people have different needs

0:34:51and preferences so that's fine but also like Apple as a company obviously they're looking

0:34:55at this as a product not as a I guess mission you know like if it's not selling enough it's

0:35:03not selling enough yeah well let's talk about how I bought a Windows PC.

0:35:09Oh!

0:35:10Oh!

0:35:11Wait I...

0:35:12This is like a fake out right?

0:35:15I surprised you finally.

0:35:17No, I think this is like a fake out. I think I know what's going on here.

0:35:20Oh, you think?

0:35:22I think.

0:35:23You think?

0:35:24Oh, am I wrong?

0:35:26Why do you think this is a fake out?

0:35:30Well, because I think you're talking about the Steam Deck.

0:35:33Oh, okay.

0:35:35Well, I did pre-order that. I did pre-order that.

0:35:37Okay, then. Okay, then.

0:35:39No, no, but I was just setting up Windows 10 a few minutes ago before the show.

0:35:46OK, what's going on?

0:35:48I have photographic evidence that if you allow me, I will post in the Discord.

0:35:55So if you're not a member of Relay FM and Connected Pro, this is what you're missing out on.

0:36:01Me posting photos of the Windows 10 setup process.

0:36:04Let's see. For example...

0:36:06Why have you bought a PC?

0:36:09For example, you see this? Just a moment. Beautiful setup message.

0:36:15So, okay, so I feel like you need some context here.

0:36:21I would love it, we've been constantly asking for it since the moment you said it.

0:36:27I have this new desktop headphone amplifier and DAC, it's called the Matrix Mini iPro 3.

0:36:38It's this beautiful piece of hardware that is now sitting below my Mac Mini.

0:36:45And it's just a headphone amp for my wired headphones that is also Roon-ready.

0:36:52So for those not aware of Roon, it's R-O-O-N.

0:36:56So Roon is this incredibly powerful music app for Mac, Windows, and Linux

0:37:04that is usually used by audio files and people who have their own sort of offline music library.

0:37:13you know, like a folder full of albums and songs. And what... and I'm trying to sum up here, but

0:37:22basically Rune is incredible because it connects to a lot of third-party equipment. So there's a

0:37:31lot of companies that make desktop DACs or headphone amplifiers that are certified for

0:37:39working with Roon. So this happens over the local network in your house. You run Roon Server on a

0:37:46computer and it finds these Roon Ready accessories on your network, and you can stream music from

0:37:55that server to the Roon Ready headphone amplifier, and it streams lossless. So even if you are

0:38:03streaming wirelessly over your local network. There's no compression, there's no quality

0:38:09loss. It's bit perfect streaming from the server to the Rune Ready Adfoul amplifier.

0:38:14Once again, mine is called the Mini iPro 3. You can look it up, it looks really nice.

0:38:20It looks really nice. So my original thought was, I'm just gonna run Rune on my Mac Mini,

0:38:31obviously my music library is stored on a Samsung T5 external SSD, and so as long

0:38:40as my Mac Mini is on, I can listen to music, you know, I can plug in my wired

0:38:44headphones into the headphone amp, and I can listen to music that way. The problem

0:38:49is my Mac Mini is in the bedroom, and we prefer to keep it shut off at night, like

0:38:57in the evening, like, as soon as I'm done recording podcasts, we don't like having

0:39:02this computer so close to our bed. You know, sometimes the fans start spinning

0:39:06and it gets warm and it's really hot here and there's no, like, it's not really

0:39:12necessary to keep it turned on, but that posed a problem for me, like, okay, so if I

0:39:18want to listen to music and this computer is off, it means that Rune is

0:39:23not running. So I started thinking about like, okay, how can I spin up like a Rune

0:39:30server instance somewhere in my house so that the Mac Mini, like the computer

0:39:38doesn't have to stay on? Like what's the cheapest way to have a server on at all

0:39:44times that's running Rune? And can I just confirm something? Because I think I

0:39:49might have gone lost here. The Mac Mini has your audio files on it. They are

0:39:55stored on an external drive. The Mac Mini doesn't have them. The external drive was

0:39:59plugged into the Mac Mini. And what are you listening on? Headphones? Yes, headphones.

0:40:08What are the headphones plugged into? The headphone amp. The mini iPro 3. And is the

0:40:14amp plugged into the Mac Mini? No, it's connected to Wi-Fi. So that's the

0:40:20wireless part is between the computer and the amp? Yep. But the amp, I assume

0:40:27you have to power it? Yeah, the amp is powered and that's fine. It's got a small

0:40:32display. For example, if you could have the Mac Mini on in the bedroom, you could have

0:40:36the, you could be on the balcony and you could have the amp plugged in and you

0:40:40could have your headphones on or speakers plugged into the amp.

0:40:42Like on your belt.

0:40:43You could put it on your belt and you could be walking around the house.

0:40:46I mean if I ever bought like a five meter cable I could do that.

0:40:51Sure.

0:40:52You could just get like a battery bank and put that on the belt and then connect the

0:40:56amp to the battery bank.

0:40:58Sure.

0:40:59The amp can stay anywhere in the house at this point.

0:41:03Okay.

0:41:04And it's creating its own network basically.

0:41:07Yeah it uses Roon.

0:41:08It's got a little, like, they are labeled as "Rune Ready Accessories", and this is one

0:41:14of them.

0:41:15Which means, as soon as you connect it to your home Wi-Fi, Rune Server on a computer

0:41:21sees the device.

0:41:22And you don't have to do...

0:41:23And you control the audio via an iOS device, right?

0:41:28From an iOS device, you can open the Rune Remote app, and you can start playback, and

0:41:34you can choose the output, in my case the headphone amp.

0:41:37And yeah, you can control it from IOS as well.

0:41:41But it looks like you can control the music from your amp though, right?

0:41:44Because it's got a little screen and stuff. Is that right?

0:41:46The screen only shows you the info.

0:41:48You only... this one is not a touch screen.

0:41:51It only has a volume knob.

0:41:54So you would be controlling it from the phone

0:41:56and then you're going to see the information,

0:41:58like the song you're listening to on the little amp and stuff.

0:42:01That's right. That's correct.

0:42:02I just wanted to double check. There's a lot of stuff going on

0:42:05and I wasn't sure where the music was coming from and where it was going to.

0:42:09But this was before, so I tried to run Rune on my Mac and it did not really work out. So I started

0:42:15looking into this, had a couple of thoughts like "okay I can get a cheap Raspberry Pi". I don't

0:42:20know, I did it before, I'm not really a fan of Linux. I really dislike it, I just wanted to have

0:42:28have something nicer and a little more, you know, like set up for consumer use.

0:42:35Yes, regular consumers definitely do this. There we go, that took a minute to sink in

0:42:41that one. You know, like I don't want to install stuff via the command line. I mean it'd be wild.

0:42:46You know, apt-get and that kind of stuff. I don't want to do that. For your bit, for your lossless,

0:42:52completely lossless. So yeah, so tell me about this PC, what did you get? It's this little thing

0:42:57right here. It's an Intel NUC! Yes! You got an Intel NUC, that's very smart. Yes, yes,

0:43:05it's very smart and lovely. That's a good idea because you don't, I'm assuming you do

0:43:11not need a lot of processing power for this thing. Well, no, not at all. So I got the

0:43:1816 gigs of RAM and 512 SSD model. It's a core i5 nugget. It's not a fast computer, but for

0:43:29what it's meant to do, it's okay, I think. So this is now set up in the kitchen, connected

0:43:36via Ethernet to the network, and connected via HDMI to the TV that we have there, and

0:43:43fine. And the external drive with my music is connected via Thunderbolt to it.

0:43:50There's a Thunderbolt port in the back. And Roon is already set up, and from the

0:43:57PC I can set the output to the Mini iPro 3. It saw that headphone amp right

0:44:05away on the network. Once again, that's thanks to the Roon Ready capabilities of

0:44:10it. And yeah, the setup was a little, you know, it's Windows. I'm not a fan of anything

0:44:20on it, really, but it's one third of a Mac Mini, both in terms of size and cost, and

0:44:29it's basically just a bit bigger than an Apple TV. It sits perfectly in the cabinet where

0:44:35we keep the modem and the Apple TV. That's cool. It's small and compact, it's got two USB ports in

0:44:43the front, so I was able to connect my Magic Trackpad and keyboard for the initial setup,

0:44:50and they worked right away. Plugged in my Thunderbolt drive, I just needed to confirm via

0:44:55there's a thing called Thunderbolt Center on Windows, whatever. You just gotta say "allow

0:45:02connection or some sort of dialogue like that. And yeah, I was basically good to go in like 20 minutes.

0:45:08And I assume the plan is for this to run headless, right?

0:45:12Yes. I mean, it's plugged into my TV. So here's where I can put out a call for connected listeners.

0:45:20If you have recommendations on those apps that let you do VNC and virtual trackpad and keyboard,

0:45:30I assume maybe screens by Adobe is my best option.

0:45:34I guess it also works on Windows.

0:45:37But if you have other recommendations for Windows 10,

0:45:39let me know.

0:45:41Literally, this is the first time I'm using Windows in 12 years.

0:45:46But yes, the plan is to just make it run headless for Rune.

0:45:52And I guess at this point, I will also put Plex Media Server

0:45:55on it, because why not?

0:45:56Yeah, why not, right?

0:45:57If it's going to run all the time.

0:45:58I got my Digital Foundry 4K videos that I can put in there.

0:46:05And I don't know, what are some other fun ideas for running a headless Intel NUC?

0:46:11Maybe I can do one of those like home DNS filtering services? I don't know, send me ideas.

0:46:18But for now, yeah, I'm really happy because I can finally move music playback off bedroom,

0:46:25sort of like it sits in the other room, it's not bothering anyone, but I can still plug

0:46:29in my wired headphones into the amp, which sounds amazing, and I don't have to keep the

0:46:35Mac Mini running all the time.

0:46:37So I wonder if you'll be able to run Windows 11 on that thing.

0:46:42I don't know.

0:46:43Probably doesn't matter to you, but.

0:46:46Yeah that's a big mess.

0:46:49The NUC always just makes me think, well the Mac Mini could be so much smaller and cooler

0:46:53than it is. Mac Mini is huge. Okay, I should be able to buy one of these things that it's a Mac.

0:47:01Like, even if it costs like 200 more or something. Like, why does... Like, I want to buy an Apple TV

0:47:06that is a Mac. At this point there's no... At this point there's no reason, right? I guess

0:47:13we'll wait and see what the next Apple Silicon based one looks like. I mean, it should be

0:47:21vastly different you would expect like Macintosh Minuscule is what we're looking for.

0:47:26That's right, MacNano.

0:47:27It's not very many is it?

0:47:29MacNano.

0:47:29The Mac Mini.

0:47:29Yeah so um yeah I'm really happy with my I've been expanding my my setup you know over the

0:47:38last few months so I'm really happy with my gear and my you know this this amp as a as a remote

0:47:45like I can I can change the volume with the remote I feel very professional now.

0:47:50The only thing I'm missing, like, eventually when we move, I want to have, like, if we have, like, a small studio space in a spare room, I want to have one of those chairs.

0:48:04Oh, you want a music listening chair. Yeah.

0:48:07Yeah, I want one of those.

0:48:08You can get the speakers, put it right in front of it, you can be like the H&V guy.

0:48:11Yeah, yes, yes, that's the dream.

0:48:15And I was sort of bargaining with Silvio and I told him,

0:48:18"Okay, look in the same room.

0:48:20We can have the music corner, but if it's big enough,

0:48:23we can also have a mirror so that you can rehearse

0:48:26for your dance stuff and whatever is needed.

0:48:30So we can split the room."

0:48:31It's going to be a big, small room.

0:48:33It's going to be podcast studio, music room,

0:48:36and dance studio.

0:48:38This is the biggest spare room in the world.

0:48:41I can live with that, right?

0:48:43I feel like it's possible, so yeah.

0:48:47You gotta see if that baby can run flight simulator.

0:48:50Don't do that.

0:48:51It'll explode.

0:48:52It'll melt.

0:48:53No, it will catch on fire.

0:48:54This episode of Connected is brought to you by Indeed.

0:48:59Waiting months to hire the right person

0:49:02is like trying to get your video to load on 3G.

0:49:04Do you remember that?

0:49:05You'd like click a link on a video

0:49:07and you would just wait.

0:49:08Well, we deserve better.

0:49:10Just spinning.

0:49:12Upgrade your hiring speed with Indeed Instant Match.

0:49:16When hiring gets hard, you need Indeed,

0:49:19the job site that makes hiring incredibly simple.

0:49:22Just attract, interview, and hire.

0:49:24In fact, with Indeed, you can do all of your hiring

0:49:27in one place, even interviewing.

0:49:29Don't just hope the perfect candidate will find you.

0:49:33Indeed's hiring tools help you cut through the noise

0:49:36to hire faster and smarter.

0:49:38In fact, Indeed Instant Match provides a list

0:49:41of quality candidates whose resumes are on Indeed

0:49:44the moment you post a sponsored job.

0:49:47It takes all the hassle out of hiring

0:49:49when Indeed Instant Match immediately delivers

0:49:51quality candidates whose resumes on Indeed

0:49:55fit your job description.

0:49:57You can even invite them to apply right away.

0:50:00And according to Indeed data,

0:50:01candidates you invite are three times more likely

0:50:04to apply to your job than those who only see it in search alone.

0:50:08Indeed data also shows that 90% of employers get quality candidates from Indeed's resume

0:50:13database as soon as they sponsor a job post.

0:50:18According to Talent Nest, Indeed delivers four times more hires than all other job sites

0:50:23combined.

0:50:25So join more than 3 million businesses worldwide that use Indeed to hire great talent quickly.

0:50:31Get a $75 credit at indeed.com/connected.

0:50:41This offer is valid through September 30th.

0:50:44Terms and conditions apply.

0:50:46Our thanks to Indeed for the support of the show and Relay FM.

0:50:50Boys, roast my menu bar.

0:50:55Summer of fun!

0:50:56No, no.

0:50:57No, look, if you're going to do that, I'm going to take this topic away.

0:51:00I'm going to put it on upgrade.

0:51:02So I've given you an image in the show notes.

0:51:05It is my menu bar.

0:51:06I can talk you through what each of these things are.

0:51:09You can feel free to stop me at any point and we can talk about them.

0:51:13How does that sound?

0:51:14Oh God, what is going on here, Myke?

0:51:16Oh, we're going to find out.

0:51:17We're going to find out.

0:51:18Oh my.

0:51:19We're going to find out together.

0:51:20Oh no.

0:51:21Oh no.

0:51:22Why?

0:51:23You have like five different clocks.

0:51:24There is a lot of clocks.

0:51:25We can talk about that.

0:51:26I'm not saying that you're a busy guy, but...

0:51:28Yeah, a lot of calendars.

0:51:30A lot of calendars, a lot of clocks.

0:51:32I don't...

0:51:33Okay, you have a lot of things

0:51:34that don't need their icons up here.

0:51:36All right, tell us what you have.

0:51:37Okay, so we're gonna...

0:51:39I realize that in my little list here,

0:51:41I've put them in the wrong order,

0:51:42so I'm gonna be starting from the bottom

0:51:44in our show document.

0:51:45Don't worry about why I've done that.

0:51:47Control center.

0:51:49Well, actually, you know, you've got the time and the clock,

0:51:50right, like time and date, time and date.

0:51:52Right, which is pinned to the right-hand side in Big Sur.

0:51:56don't know if you can turn any of that stuff off but like time and date I just

0:51:59leave it there it's like of course I need the time and date it's great to

0:52:02have I've got control center which is fine battery so this is on your MacBook

0:52:08Pro obviously this is taken from my MacBook Pro yeah volume okay you don't

0:52:13have that a control center no because it's an it's a fast way for me to switch

0:52:19between different sources I do the same thing output that's why I have it there

0:52:24So like if I want to change to my HomePod mini or whatever on the on the desk, I can just hit that and just change it.

0:52:31So it's easy.

0:52:32Bluetooth similarly, like I just have it there in case I want to try and connect something by Bluetooth or I'm having Bluetooth issues

0:52:38which is still a thing that pops up on my MacBook Pro every now and then. I have AirBuddy

0:52:43which from Gear My Rambo, just get a bit of extra control over my AirPods and stuff.

0:52:48Mm-hmm.

0:52:48Alright, so we're going good so far. The issues clearly aren't yet. Alright.

0:52:53- Fantastic Al?

0:52:54- Yeah.

0:52:55Showing the date again.

0:52:56- Well, that's just one of the Fantastic Al options.

0:53:00It's like, whatever, I just got the date.

0:53:02- Use a different one.

0:53:03- Yeah, but why do you need it there?

0:53:06- Because I'm constantly checking

0:53:09and adding things to my calendar.

0:53:10- From the menu bar, not from the main app?

0:53:13- I invoke it with a keyboard shortcut

0:53:16and it brings up the menu bar app.

0:53:18- And you're fine with that?

0:53:20- Yeah, I mean, well, this is an inertia thing, right?

0:53:22because it used to only be a menu bar application.

0:53:25So I have just gotten used to that.

0:53:28Like it's very rare that I open the full Fantastic Hour app

0:53:31on my Mac.

0:53:32I'm mostly doing everything from the menu bar.

0:53:35- Interesting.

0:53:35- Because plus as well, like if what I'm doing most

0:53:37of the time is just adding a task.

0:53:39So all I want to do is hit the keyboard shortcut

0:53:41and add the task in.

0:53:41I don't want the full application to open.

0:53:43I need to see the full app to add a, not a task, an event.

0:53:46I need to see the full app to add an event.

0:53:47I just have it just take up a small portion of the window.

0:53:50Because a lot of the time when I'm adding events, I'm like adding them based on something

0:53:54that I'm looking at in another window or something, you know?

0:53:57So it doesn't take up a lot of space that way.

0:53:59I don't need my full calendar.

0:54:01Most of the time I just need what is effectively the iPhone view, which is what I get from

0:54:05the menu bar widget.

0:54:06I think I would just say use a different icon so you're not duplicating the date.

0:54:10But why?

0:54:11What are the other icons anyway?

0:54:13I don't even see...

0:54:14Where are these things?

0:54:15I don't know.

0:54:16I don't use fantastico.

0:54:17Appearance.

0:54:18I don't even see this. I don't even know where to find this. There may not be one. I don't know.

0:54:23Maybe there's a Discord. Oh, menu bar icon shows. Yeah. I mean it's just a bunch of information.

0:54:28Oh. You see if I can have it be blank or it's day, day, weekday, day, a month. No,

0:54:34I'm just gonna keep it with a day. Fantastic. I've got no chill, man. Come on. They should put

0:54:37a little face on there or something. Yeah. If I could get a little face, it would be a face,

0:54:42but other than that it's the date. Then I have the next one that you see there it is a world clock

0:54:48widget called the clock. So tell us about this like what makes this better than I just use

0:54:55Apple's like clock widget in notification center why this? Because I can drag a timer to change

0:55:01the time of all of the clocks I have in there. Oh that's pretty good. Which is like the only reason

0:55:06to have something like that in my opinion is so you can check. Do you use it often? Yes because I have to deal with the two of you.

0:55:13Interesting. I just use Siri and ask what's the time in say London or something.

0:55:24Yeah I mean but then you only get one time zone at a time right? I want multiple time zones because

0:55:32I need to see what's the time in Rome and what's the time in Memphis.

0:55:35Okay.

0:55:37Something that I also use this for, if I'm like on an embargo, it has seconds, like it

0:55:45has a seconds hand, so tick, and so that's when I can see that it's about, I'm like five

0:55:49seconds away from when I need to press the publish button.

0:55:53That's good.

0:55:54So I like it for that.

0:55:55Then we have one password.

0:55:58Okay.

0:55:59Why?

0:56:01Do you use the 1Password from the menu bar?

0:56:03Yeah.

0:56:04Really?

0:56:05Yeah.

0:56:06I find that so annoying.

0:56:07Like, okay, so maybe this is the problem for me.

0:56:11I find most menu bar apps so annoying.

0:56:14But also we use--

0:56:15Because you're used to iOS and iPadOS.

0:56:17Yeah, we use computers very differently.

0:56:19I feel like I'm not-- I shouldn't belong to this conversation.

0:56:23Well no, this is why.

0:56:24I want to see what yours is, because I'm intrigued.

0:56:29I know you're going to use it differently.

0:56:30- It's like five icons.

0:56:32- I'm already excited about it

0:56:34because you're asking me questions that like a Mac user would,

0:56:37no Mac user would ask,

0:56:38why do you have the one password in your menu bar?

0:56:40- I don't know, I just prefer--

0:56:41- Nobody would ask that.

0:56:43- Like I just prefer to open the full one password app.

0:56:45- Yeah, I get that.

0:56:46But what I like about the menu bar thing

0:56:50is it's actually contextually aware.

0:56:51So sometimes if I have an app open and it needs a password,

0:56:54you hit the one password menu bar icon

0:56:56and it knows what app you have open

0:56:58and it gives you the password related to it.

0:57:00It's very good stuff.

0:57:01OK.

0:57:02It's like, why would you have one

0:57:05password in Safari?

0:57:06In fact, I do not keep it there

0:57:09because I find it very annoying.

0:57:11Yeah.

0:57:12You know how you know, you can

0:57:16turn that part off.

0:57:16I don't like that when it does the

0:57:19autofill, but you can at least

0:57:21have it in the menu bar.

0:57:23I think the toolbar.

0:57:24Yeah. So it's like me having

0:57:26it in the menu bar is like you is

0:57:28like it being in the toolbar in Safari. It's the same idea. I feel like it just, and this

0:57:35is a broader issue, it just bothers me to see a full menu bar. Yeah, I'm getting that.

0:57:42It's like having a clutter desk. Yeah. You know? Anyway, please continue, there's more.

0:57:49There's a lot more. Peacock. Why? Because when you have it in the menu bar, you get

0:57:56widget and I much prefer having my calculator just in a widget accessible

0:58:01to me always by a keyboard command and opening the app. So you have memorized a

0:58:06lot of different keyboard commands. They're all along this a similar thing

0:58:10so for me it is command option C for fantastical and command option P for

0:58:19PCAP. Interesting. So you're using C because it's a calendar but using P

0:58:25because it's peacock. Well because they're both B, C, wouldn't they? Well, the Fantastical should be F.

0:58:33Right, but the standardized shortcut was that one, was C, and I've learned that, and that's ingrained

0:58:38in me now. Like that's one of those things where like I had to think about what my shortcut was,

0:58:43I had to put my fingers on my keyboard and look at what they were doing, because it's like

0:58:47just in my muscle memory. Okay. If they would have both been around at the same time, it would have

0:58:52have been F and P but it's too late now. So when you click the the Pcalc icon it shows you like a

0:58:58calculator as a drop down from the menu bar? Yeah. And then you can hit the numbers on the keyboard

0:59:03and the input goes directly into the menu bar thing? Yeah. Okay. This is actually a really good feature

0:59:09and I love it. It's like, it's very good because I do a lot of calculations but never enough that

0:59:16I would want to have a calculator open all the time, right? Like there would just always be a calculator

0:59:20app open. No, I like having it in the widget. I just press a key for Pokemon, just keep

0:59:24typing and I get the calculation that I need.

0:59:27Okay, I'll allow it. It's peacock.

0:59:29Oh, thank you Federico.

0:59:31Yes.

0:59:32Dropbox.

0:59:33Okay, so this one. How can you possibly keep that useless thing in the menu bar?

0:59:38It's not useless.

0:59:40It shows you like a bunch of, I don't want to say ads, but it's like, what's the purpose

0:59:46of it?

0:59:47I don't know what you're seeing compared to what I'm seeing.

0:59:49I get a list of stuff I've uploaded and a list of stuff that other people have uploaded.

0:59:54Okay, so for context, I feel like the context is necessary.

1:00:01All I do in Dropbox is upload connected app stories.

1:00:05So three files a week.

1:00:08Yeah, you see I'm dealing with a lot of people.

1:00:10Okay.

1:00:11And a lot of stuff and it's really helpful for me to get all of that.

1:00:15And I can also, not that I ever do this, you can search Dropbox from there, but I just open the finder.

1:00:20But for me it's like, I want to know if such and such person has uploaded the file that I want,

1:00:25and you can just open the Dropbox menu bar app and get that really easily,

1:00:28rather than needing to navigate through the file structure to make sure it's there.

1:00:31Especially when you can't always be sure where that person's going to upload it.

1:00:35I should also say that I don't have the Dropbox,

1:00:38like I don't sync Dropbox on my Mac, I just use the website.

1:00:44- Yeah, you just upload for the web, don't you?

1:00:46But that makes sense, if you're doing so little with it,

1:00:48I wouldn't install it.

1:00:49- Yeah, okay.

1:00:50- Right, like if I was using Dropbox how you use Dropbox,

1:00:54then I also wouldn't do it.

1:00:56- Okay, okay.

1:00:57- CleanShot X.

1:01:01- Oh, John likes this one.

1:01:02- Oh, I love this.

1:01:03Oh my God, I love this app.

1:01:05Oh, it's so good.

1:01:07It is so much better than Apple's tools

1:01:09for capturing screenshots, it's unreal.

1:01:11Like my favorite thing about it,

1:01:13If I take a screenshot, I can just hover over it and I get actions like copy.

1:01:17And if I copy it, it just disappears and I don't have to deal with a file.

1:01:21Or I can click a little button and open it and edit it right there.

1:01:25Or it's just it's so much better.

1:01:27It's so much better than Apple's built in tools.

1:01:30Like it's unreal. So good.

1:01:32I love this application.

1:01:34It's one of my favorite apps that I've found since coming back to the Mac.

1:01:37Timery. Yeah, buddy. Timery.

1:01:41I don't know if this is out yet.

1:01:42I don't think it is or if it's not it will be out soon but the time there is now a menu bar

1:01:49thing so I can see my running timer and I can you know basically hit it and hit a bunch of things

1:01:55and it will take me to the app. My understanding is catalyst and menu bar do not work well together

1:02:01so like it can't operate independently it's almost like widgets on iOS like I can tap it

1:02:09I can click it and it will say like I can press stop but if I press stop it opens the

1:02:14Timery app and it stops the timer right so like it can't just do it from the menu bar

1:02:18but the main thing for me is seeing that a timer's running and being able to click it and it will

1:02:23tell me what time is running so I love it for that it's great then I have Bartender right and

1:02:30then everything after this point is in the Bartender view. Ah okay so you do have Bartender

1:02:36Yeah, those three dots, that's bartender.

1:02:40So these are the non-essential ones?

1:02:42Yeah, this is all the other stuff.

1:02:44It's either stuff that I want to get sometimes, or stuff that I just cannot seem to get rid

1:02:48of, so it's in bartender.

1:02:50Spotlight.

1:02:52I use Alfred, but there is an occasion when I might want spotlight, so I just put it there.

1:03:00Wi-Fi goes there.

1:03:02Because who needs it that much?

1:03:05Then Alfred goes there.

1:03:06I just have it, in case I want to get to the preferences or whatever, it's just there.

1:03:11Creative Cloud, because I can't get rid of Creative Cloud, no matter what I do, Creative

1:03:14Cloud comes back, so that's where Creative Cloud goes.

1:03:17But you can hide it in Bartender, though.

1:03:19Yeah, Bartender hasn't always hidden.

1:03:21Oh, really?

1:03:22I don't know why I haven't done that.

1:03:23Yeah, that's what I use, we're gonna talk about that later.

1:03:26Okay.

1:03:27Rocket, the emoji app.

1:03:30So this is the app where you hit colon, and it basically gives you Slack and Discord emoji

1:03:34functionality everywhere on Mac OS. Yep. Text expander for my snippets. Backblaze for my

1:03:43backblazers. Sure. This is then the Wacom utility for my Wacom tablet.

1:03:51You have a Wacom tablet? Yeah. You've listened to Cortex long enough, you know that I use a

1:03:58Wacom tablet. I feel like you used to and then you stopped. No, I use it for editing.

1:04:04Ah, yes, yes, because you can no longer use a mouse.

1:04:08Yeah.

1:04:08Well, no, I use a mouse.

1:04:10Oh, you also use a mouse?

1:04:11On my desk right now, I have a Wacom tablet, a Magic Trackpad, and a Logitech mouse.

1:04:17I mix between them. That's the key.

1:04:19Is that like, um, why?

1:04:22Why is that necessary to have three different things that do the same thing?

1:04:27Well, okay, so at first it was it helped with RSI stuff because I was able to mix around,

1:04:33But now it's just a case of I like them all for different things. So trackpad I will use for

1:04:38scrolling. This could be in any app or I've just used it for input or whatever, but it's really

1:04:43good when I'm editing to scroll left and right, zoom in and out. The trackpad is for precision

1:04:47where I'm editing. It's vastly superior. And then I just have a mouse for whatever you'd use a mouse

1:04:53for. And sometimes I'll just... Most of the time I actually do use the mouse now, except when I'm

1:04:57I'm recording so you don't hear the clicks. So like if I'm just using my Mac

1:05:02I will mostly use my MX Master 3 mouse but I don't do it when I'm recording

1:05:06because otherwise you'll be hearing all the time and nobody wants that. So then I

1:05:10use my trackpad. My beautiful yellow trackpad as I'm talking to you right now.

1:05:14And then the last one is Todoist. I'm not talking about it. That's my menu bar.

1:05:18That's my menu bar. You do not need the Todoist icon. Yeah I don't know why it's

1:05:23there. I just enabled it to turn off. You're right I can probably get rid of

1:05:26that. Well it's there because you wanted to mention it so let's talk about how

1:05:30you're using Todoist again. Well I have Todoist installed on this Mac that's as

1:05:36much as I'm willing to say at this point. That doesn't tell the full story though

1:05:39does it? I just forgot to uninstall it from the last time I was using it. Mmm

1:05:43which was today as you were working. So that's my menu bar. What are you using?

1:05:49Show us your iPhone home screen son. No I'm not gonna do that because that's

1:05:53- That's for another time.

1:05:56- Honestly, like there's a couple of questionable choices,

1:05:59but I feel like once again, I wanna say,

1:06:03I'm the wrong person for this topic.

1:06:05I don't know why I'm talking.

1:06:09So if you work a lot like Myke does

1:06:13and deals with a lot of people, this makes sense.

1:06:18You know, the time counts. - Calendars.

1:06:21the timers, and you use a computer not three times a week.

1:06:26That's okay.

1:06:28- I don't think it's that bad.

1:06:29I mean, obviously there are things that could be questioned.

1:06:32- I still think like maybe some apps you could use

1:06:36as the regular version.

1:06:38Like if you were up to me, I would get rid of all,

1:06:41like from the Dropbox icon through the fantastical one,

1:06:46like I would get rid of all those.

1:06:49I understand that, like I get that.

1:06:51It's a different way of thinking and I can see why most people, you just want the app, right?

1:06:56Like why would you deal with the menu bar instead?

1:06:59Like I actually do get your query.

1:07:02It's just not how I work, but I'm not like, when you say it, I'm not like,

1:07:05"Oh, that's stupid. Why would you want to work that way?"

1:07:07So on the Mac, you cannot do the...

1:07:10Like when you open a menu bar app, it cannot be dragged around and become like a window.

1:07:16Like, you know how...

1:07:18Some can.

1:07:18Oh some can, Fantastic Al can, because again like that used to be the only way to use Fantastic Al.

1:07:24So like you can drag it out and then when you click it again it will open where it last was.

1:07:29But I like them to be connected. But it's not like on the iPad where like when you drag the

1:07:36icon you can choose slide over and split view right? Because you split view on the Mac it's

1:07:41not like on iPad. No because they don't actually act like real apps. Like if you drag it out,

1:07:46Oh actually no, you know what, I'm wrong. I kinda can do that in a very weird way with

1:07:52Fantastic Al, so ignore that part. Yeah it does, it gets the little stoplight icons and you can put

1:07:58it into a split and all that kind of stuff. But not every app supports this? Not that I've seen

1:08:04anyway. Okay, okay. That's my menu bar. On my iMac I do have a few different things, like I don't

1:08:12know why but the keyboard preferences thing I have there but mostly this is the way it looks.

1:08:20So this is Steven's menu bar. It's good right? There's a lot of stuff I don't understand here so

1:08:27Oh at least Myke's menu bar has a bunch of like popular icons. This one just feels like it's got

1:08:34a bunch of little... Steven's a Mac hipster right? So there's like a bunch of stuff that's like oh

1:08:39Yeah, it's like oh these apps you never heard of before.

1:08:43You didn't get this this app's first album or something like that.

1:08:47Do you want to talk us through what you got going on?

1:08:50Yeah, I do. So let's uh let's start with what is hidden behind Bartender.

1:08:56Okay, okay.

1:08:57I have Elgato control center because I have three Elgato lights, one on this desk and two on the

1:09:03other and I can change the brightness and the color temperature from the menu bar.

1:09:07I do that because the Stream Deck, even though they're all made by the same company, the Stream Deck seems to forget that there's lights on the network sometimes.

1:09:15And so I have that as a backup so it's hidden behind Alfred.

1:09:18When are you ever using those lights with your Mac?

1:09:22Well the one at the Mac I use when I'm on Zoom calls, like yesterday we were on a Zoom call. I had it on.

1:09:28You put those on when we're on Zoom calls?

1:09:31I want to look good son! Just one, I just have one over here.

1:09:35The two at the other desk I use for streaming,

1:09:38and I have a stream deck over there as well,

1:09:40and I just have control of them on both,

1:09:42'cause like right now I'm doing a lot of photography

1:09:44over there for the calendar.

1:09:46The PC's not up and running,

1:09:47and so I can just hit those two buttons on the stream deck

1:09:51or in the Elgato control center

1:09:54and have control of them that way.

1:09:57Up next is Keyboard Maestro,

1:10:01an excellent, excellent automation tool on the Mac.

1:10:05which if you have not spent time with you really need to. It's so confusing though.

1:10:10Yeah you gotta get the hang of it. Yeah you really do. It's so confusing.

1:10:14Why in the menu bar? Because it runs as a menu bar application so you can

1:10:21listen to your keyboard commands. But why do you need it to be there? Why don't you hide it?

1:10:27Because if it's not in the... it has to be in the... Wait you can't hide it in

1:10:33bartender? You can hide it. No, but it does let me get to the pallets and like able

1:10:39to edit things so it's there. I mean it's behind the little dot dot dot. You hide

1:10:44spotlight you can put spotlight behind the dot dot dot. I don't need spotlight, I have Alfred. Running without any

1:10:50minibar icons by the way I don't need a stupid felt hat up there. Why do you think that

1:10:54hat's made of felt? Whatever it is. Why would you assume it was made of felt?

1:10:58That's a really strange...

1:11:00It's a bowler hat.

1:11:02This is kinda felty, you know?

1:11:03This is one of those things where you don't know if I just said something that isn't true, I think.

1:11:07That is called a bowler hat.

1:11:09Maybe.

1:11:10No, it is.

1:11:11I have no idea what we're talking about.

1:11:12The hat, Alfred's icon.

1:11:14It has a little hat.

1:11:15Yeah.

1:11:16Yeah, it's a bowler hat.

1:11:17Yeah, it's a hat.

1:11:18Yeah.

1:11:19B-O-W-L-E-R, bowler hat.

1:11:21That's not a word I'm familiar with.

1:11:23Up next is Mac Media Key Forwarder.

1:11:27What was that? What is that?

1:11:31Wait, what?

1:11:32Yeah, oh my god, it's a GitHub page. Oh no.

1:11:36Mac Media Key Forward.

1:11:38Well, and the guy stopped working on it

1:11:39'cause he switched to Linux, which is not good.

1:11:41That sounds like a great thing to continue

1:11:43keeping permanently available.

1:11:45Yeah, no, since I've taken the screenshot,

1:11:48I have built Keyboard Maestro's.

1:11:50Okay.

1:11:51Keyboard Maestro Macros to take care of this.

1:11:53So in some version of Mac OS,

1:11:55recently in the last three or four years,

1:11:58they changed the media transport keys,

1:12:00so F7, F8, and F9 on my keyboard are back a track,

1:12:04play, pause, and forward a track.

1:12:06And it would work for any media.

1:12:08So if you had a YouTube video and you hit F8,

1:12:11it would play or pause the YouTube video

1:12:13and not control the music app.

1:12:15I in no way want that to be the way that my computer works.

1:12:18I want these buttons to be hot glued

1:12:20to the face of the music app.

1:12:22Like, I don't want them to control anything else.

1:12:24And so, having this Mac Media Key Forwarder app

1:12:29lets you basically hardwire those buttons

1:12:32to iTunes and then later music.

1:12:34But you can also do it in Keyboard Maestro.

1:12:36I'm fiddling around with the best way to do that.

1:12:38Mac Media Key Forwarder could do it.

1:12:40You can also use Bearded Spice,

1:12:42which is another app that does this.

1:12:43- I would like to get some real-time follow-up

1:12:45from James Thompson, creator of the popular menu bar

1:12:47at Peacock.

1:12:49The bowler hat is a hard felt hat with a rounded crown.

1:12:52Told you son!

1:12:53Something, no, something had squeezed into your brain somewhere

1:12:56and you were like 70% sure it was called a felt hat so you said that but it's made of felt.

1:13:01So you were right and I was right.

1:13:03Adobe Creative Cloud.

1:13:05Genga's can't get rid of it.

1:13:06Because you can't get rid of it.

1:13:07It's impossible.

1:13:09It's like a zombie.

1:13:10Up next is better snap tool.

1:13:12So you're probably familiar with better touch tool which lets you do

1:13:16wild things to your touch bar and I have that on my MacBook Pro.

1:13:19This menu bar is from my desktop.

1:13:21BetterSnapTool is something, is kind of like Moom,

1:13:24where there's many versions of this

1:13:25that basically lets you like drag a window

1:13:27to the side of the screen and it take up half the screen.

1:13:30The way Mac OS does split screen apps is bad,

1:13:33and this is much better.

1:13:35And I really love what I've seen in Windows 11 so far

1:13:38with their window management.

1:13:39It seems really cool.

1:13:41But BetterSnapTool, you can set up,

1:13:43hey, if I drag this to the left,

1:13:45it takes up half the screen.

1:13:46You can set the margins and other things.

1:13:48- Do you do this?

1:13:49- Yes, especially when doing show notes.

1:13:52So I'll have one Safari window on the left with Google Docs

1:13:56and all my research or other materials

1:13:58in the other Safari window on the right.

1:14:00I use it all the time.

1:14:01- There's a good device that you might like.

1:14:03It's called an iPad.

1:14:04- Yeah, but then I gotta use the iPad.

1:14:06I don't wanna do that.

1:14:07- iPads are really good for this.

1:14:08Like you take a display, you split it in half,

1:14:11you put one app on one side, one app on another side.

1:14:13It's awesome.

1:14:14- Yeah, but then I gotta look at that version of Safari.

1:14:15I don't wanna do that.

1:14:16I'm realizing now in having this segment of the show just how many more things at

1:14:21once you guys do because you're Mac users? I think that the thing is and this

1:14:28is not a burn. Oh no, burn him, burn him, burn him. No it's just can do and this is one of the things that brought me back to the Mac.

1:14:37It's not that I do do them it's that when I want to I can do them and that's

1:14:42become valuable for me in certain circumstances.

1:14:45Sure, sure. No, I mean...

1:14:47But I still use my iPad for many hours a day, every day, and I love it.

1:14:51No, it's just... it's weird because like I remember working like this ten years ago, right?

1:15:00And I don't know, it just makes me feel a bit like the odd one out, that's all.

1:15:06It took me a while to get back into it but now I'm like very into this like

1:15:13many windows open kind of lifestyle even though I think it's horrifically ugly

1:15:18but surprised you use better snap tool especially because you have such a

1:15:22freaking massive monitor. Yeah I mean I've used it for a long time it still

1:15:26meets my needs there are lots of others there's moon there's magnet there is one

1:15:31of them has like a window in the name of it there's there's a bunch of utilities

1:15:33do this better snap tool kind of fits the way that I work so it uh it served

1:15:37me well for a long time hmm up next I have the stream deck app which is

1:15:43garbage on Mac OS Myke do you have the thing do you have the thing where it

1:15:49just opens itself sometimes I don't use a stream deck oh oh yeah you have some

1:15:54like hand wired mini keyboard on my PC yeah yeah well I got a stream deck on

1:16:01both my desktops and so it's there can you get it Kenny does it have to be in

1:16:06the minibar I don't know you'll want to use it check for again but yes it is

1:16:13look at the screenshot everything to the left no no like permanently hidden why

1:16:18is it there I still need it sometimes okay well then keep I got 32 inches of

1:16:23space man biz be glad I'm using bartender I don't care if you use barfender

1:16:28Turn it off if you want.

1:16:31Up next is 1Password.

1:16:33We've spoken about...

1:16:34You mentioned Rocket, which I cannot recommend enough.

1:16:37That's next.

1:16:38The next one after this is Quitter by Marco Arment.

1:16:41I don't think he even works on it anymore, but it lets you hide or quit applications

1:16:46after a set amount of time.

1:16:49And so I have this...

1:16:50I can just tell you what I have set up in here.

1:16:53So I have a bunch of apps hide after three minutes of an activity including 1Password,

1:16:58Calendar, Parcel, Mail, Good Links, and Reader and Slack.

1:17:07And so these apps basically just hide, they don't quit, but they hide if I haven't used

1:17:12them in a number of minutes.

1:17:15And I really like that.

1:17:16Yeah, I don't understand that.

1:17:17I really like things kind of just going away.

1:17:19I don't want to quit them.

1:17:20I think his idea was, yeah, I could just tell the Twitter app

1:17:22to quit every five minutes.

1:17:24I don't mind that, Twitter's on a separate space for me,

1:17:26so it's not where I'm working.

1:17:28But I like the hide after a set amount of time.

1:17:32I tried recreating this in Keyboard Maestro,

1:17:34and if someone in the audience knows how to do that,

1:17:37let me know.

1:17:39I've fiddled with it for a long time,

1:17:41and basically I couldn't get Keyboard Maestro

1:17:43to count inactive time correctly.

1:17:45So if someone knows how to do that, let me know.

1:17:47Up next is, where did my screen shot go?

1:17:51Up next is Downlink.

1:17:53This is a free Mac app that pulls satellite imagery

1:17:58from the GOES satellites.

1:18:02And so these are weather satellites

1:18:04and you can set where you wanna see.

1:18:07So it has like full hemispheres, continental US,

1:18:11which is one that I see.

1:18:11So Memphis is kind of like pretty close

1:18:13to the center of the screen, which is nice.

1:18:15Atlantic, Pacific, US West Coast, South America,

1:18:20Northern South America, lots of different areas

1:18:23of the globe, and then it refreshes the background image

1:18:26every 20 minutes or every hour.

1:18:28So I like that it changes.

1:18:31And I love seeing, like when I'm on my desktop,

1:18:34like seeing all of these cloud formations and stuff

1:18:39over the globe, it's pretty cool looking.

1:18:43So is this for the weather for your city or not?

1:18:46No, it is showing like pure satellite imagery.

1:18:50So yes, I guess I could see,

1:18:51oh, it looks like clouds in Arkansas,

1:18:52but I mean, I'll send you a picture of my desktop right now.

1:18:57I mean, it's pretty zoomed out

1:18:58for like a weather application, I guess.

1:19:02So anyways, that is uploading.

1:19:03That's a 49 megabyte screenshot.

1:19:05(laughs)

1:19:06Way to go, Mac OS.

1:19:08Okay.

1:19:10After that, I've got TextExpander and Hazel side by side.

1:19:14I really don't do as much with Hazel as I used to.

1:19:17In fact, I could probably live without it,

1:19:19but I have a couple of things that it does,

1:19:21so I keep it around.

1:19:22- Yeah, I have it do like one thing,

1:19:24which is like just to empty out my audio hijack folder

1:19:28for three months. - Yep.

1:19:29I've got that and I have it copy screenshots

1:19:34into a Dropbox folder.

1:19:36So I have like a Dropbox folder full of every screenshot

1:19:38I've made in the last like year,

1:19:40which is surprisingly useful sometimes.

1:19:42You need to find something.

1:19:43And then backblaze,

1:19:47'cause that's how I back up my machine online.

1:19:49And all of that stuff is hidden by bartenders.

1:19:52So I click the little three dots, then they show up,

1:19:55and if not, my menu bar is pretty tidy.

1:19:57- Very nice.

1:20:00- Let's take a break and we'll finish this up.

1:20:02- Yep.

1:20:03- This episode of Connected,

1:20:05it's made possible by ExpressVPN.

1:20:07You can browse an incognito window,

1:20:10but that's not as private as you may think.

1:20:13Your activity could still be visible

1:20:14to your employer, school, or ISP.

1:20:18If you really wanna stop people

1:20:19from seeing the sites you visit,

1:20:21you need to use ExpressVPN.

1:20:23Think about all the times you use WiFi

1:20:25at a coffee shop or hotel.

1:20:26Without ExpressVPN, every site you visit

1:20:28could be logged by the admin of that network.

1:20:30And that's still true,

1:20:32even when you're using incognito mode.

1:20:34What's more, your ISP, your internet service provider,

1:20:37can also see and record your browsing data.

1:20:40And in the US at least, they're legally allowed

1:20:42to sell that data to advertisers.

1:20:45ExpressVPN is an app that encrypts all your network data

1:20:47and reroutes it in through a network of secure servers

1:20:52so that your privacy online, your activity online,

1:20:56it stays private, it stays yours.

1:20:59ExpressVPN works on all your devices

1:21:01and is super easy to use.

1:21:02The app literally has one button that says connect,

1:21:05just tap it and your browsing activity

1:21:07secure from prying eyes. I use ExpressVPN for years, times that I feel like I

1:21:12need this additional security. It's so easy to use, it's so fast, a lot of VPNs

1:21:17really slow down your traffic and that is not the case with ExpressVPN.

1:21:22To protect your online privacy today go to expressvpn.com/connected

1:21:27that's e-x-p-r-e-s-s-v-p-n.com/connected for three extra months free.

1:21:36Our thanks to ExpressVPN for their support of the show, and Relay FM.

1:21:41So the icons that I have visible are, I think, really pretty minimal.

1:21:45I've got Carrot Weather.

1:21:46I can just click on that, see the weather, or I can see just in the mini bar.

1:21:51Is the Carrot Weather Mac app, it's still the old design, right?

1:21:55Yeah, it is.

1:21:56Okay.

1:21:57I wish that would get an update, but I would imagine it's out of all of his platforms,

1:22:01not the most important one.

1:22:02Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:22:04Dropbox is next to that.

1:22:05Dropbox visible because that is how I work with everyone I work with in terms of moving files around and it is very useful just at a

1:22:12Glance see if something is syncing or to see if something got added maybe when I was away

1:22:16So I'm in that Dropbox minibar app all the time

1:22:19Mm-hmm and then time machine like to know my backup statuses

1:22:24Then I have media playback

1:22:27this is part of my trying to move away from

1:22:31the

1:22:33Mac keyboard forwarder thing I thought well, maybe if she's up here, but that doesn't really do it either for me

1:22:39So that's not gonna stick around

1:22:40I kept that for a while and ended up removing it at it

1:22:44I don't really like having it in the menu bar as much as I thought I would yeah

1:22:47Yeah, that's probably short-lived and then system volume for the same reason you do I gave you a hard time

1:22:53But my reasons the same as yours I could very quickly select the right output

1:22:56Mm-hmm fast user switching this I don't really know why is this here? I'm the only user of my computer

1:23:01This was the main thing I was gonna ask like you just like to see your name up in the corner there

1:23:05I kind of like having my name up there. It's like hi Steve, buddy

1:23:08click on it's my little cartoon guy and then control center and

1:23:13Notification Center which is for some reason as we've discussed behind the calendar

1:23:17You may have mentioned this already but like I got I just was like so the little satellite thing

1:23:22I know it has downlink, but why is that in the menu bar?

1:23:24Like what does it do for the menu bar? That is how it runs. So it is just a menu bar app

1:23:29Oh, it has to be open

1:23:31All right, fine fine fine fine because I knew it did the wallpaper thing

1:23:36But I didn't know that had to be open for that. Yeah, cuz it downloads new images

1:23:40I haven't do it every 20 minutes. And so it's got to be running

1:23:42So it's it's like a menu bar app that makes new wallpapers for you. Very nice

1:23:46All right settle in for the next two hours because Federico needs to talk to review all the things he has in his menu bar

1:23:52This is a very busy menu bar that I have right here. So

1:23:57Okay, so I should say about this menu bar. There's one icon I forgot to hide and there's another

1:24:03Damn, son, and there's another one. There's another one that I cannot get rid of so starting from the right

1:24:12time and calendar

1:24:15control center and

1:24:17then immediately bartender

1:24:20There can't be many people in the world

1:24:23that have

1:24:26bartender and have so few things visible before bartender.

1:24:30I just don't want to see anything if I don't need it.

1:24:33No, no, no. I get it. Like this is no criticism of you, but you must just be in a very small

1:24:37club of people that want or need bartender, know it exists and then enable it in the way

1:24:43that you have. You know what I mean? Like it feels like it feels like it is a Mac power

1:24:48users app of which you are one, even though you don't use it, but you still use the Mac

1:24:54and you know a lot about the Mac, right?

1:24:56So you have this application,

1:24:57but then you also don't want anything else.

1:25:00I just find that kind of interesting.

1:25:02-Yeah, so the reason I keep it

1:25:04is because there's a few extra icons

1:25:06that I feel like I want to have them there

1:25:09for quicker access,

1:25:11but I don't want to see them at all times.

1:25:14So about this manual, I should say,

1:25:15Spotlight, I forgot to hide.

1:25:18I never use it.

1:25:19So this has already gone in the hidden section of Bartender.

1:25:24Do you use any kind of quick search thing instead of spotlight?

1:25:28What's quick search?

1:25:29You know, like do you use Alfred or Quicksilver?

1:25:33Yeah, okay.

1:25:33I use Alfred. I don't use spotlight. Yeah, I use Alfred.

1:25:37The Plex icon. So I uninstalled Plex, right? Because I plan on using Plex on the

1:25:42NUC that I bought. But I tried everything. So I have, what's it called? Hazel?

1:25:51You know when you uninstall apps, it does the cleanup for you?

1:25:55Yeah.

1:25:55Where it gets rid of the app files.

1:25:58So I deleted everything, like all the two Plex apps that I had.

1:26:03So Plex amp and Plex Media Server.

1:26:07I deleted those from the applications folder,

1:26:09and I deleted the related application files.

1:26:12Then I force quit all of the processes that I could find in Activity Monitor.

1:26:18I rebooted my Mac Mini.

1:26:20That icon does not go away.

1:26:22When you click it...

1:26:23Is that the one on the very far left?

1:26:25Is that Plex?

1:26:26No, that's the...

1:26:28Oh, it's the little chevron!

1:26:29It's the little chevron there.

1:26:30The little chevron.

1:26:31You click it and it does nothing.

1:26:34Like, if I click it, it does nothing.

1:26:37In bartender's settings, I don't see this icon.

1:26:43So this is a ghost icon that's just hanging there.

1:26:46And I don't...

1:26:47If you press command and click and drag it,

1:26:52it should disappear.

1:26:53Does it come back?

1:26:54- And if it's running, it won't.

1:26:55- No, this is, wait, no, this is not Plex.

1:26:59It's not Plex.

1:27:00No, this is a bartender option.

1:27:03- Oh.

1:27:04- Oh no, I don't wanna have this here.

1:27:08- Yeah, you can turn that off.

1:27:09- So if you hold command--

1:27:10- This whole time he's been going mad, you know.

1:27:13- I wasted like five minutes.

1:27:15It's called hidden item divider and you can uncheck it and it goes away.

1:27:18Oh no, see what, where, where?

1:27:21In the bartender general preferences.

1:27:23That is incredible. See if we wouldn't have done this segment you wouldn't have gotten the answer to this.

1:27:29You'd live with it forever.

1:27:30Yeah, you see? Now you're like, now you're happy we did the menu bar segment.

1:27:34Where is this setting?

1:27:37Preferences in bartender, it's under general.

1:27:40Yeah.

1:27:42Show hidden item divide. Oh my god, thank you.

1:27:46Yep.

1:27:47Ah, so now it's much nicer. Okay, so I am...

1:27:51Oh, okay, hold on.

1:27:52Now you're the most happy we did this segment.

1:27:55Do you remember AppZapper?

1:27:56Yes.

1:27:57Yes.

1:27:58Do you remember that app?

1:27:59I just thought of that when you were talking about uninstalling.

1:28:01You'd just drag an app on it, it'd be like pew!

1:28:03And it would be gone.

1:28:04With a little Zap Zap, yeah.

1:28:05That was such a great app.

1:28:07So this is my new menu bar, okay?

1:28:08So, after Bartender, there's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Volume, and Time Machine.

1:28:16Backblaze. Both of these icons are activated, like they're shown in the main menu bar,

1:28:24when there's like a change to the icon, like when you're performing a backup or things like that.

1:28:30Then I have... Okay, so why do I have this Zoom icon?

1:28:36Because you're on a call.

1:28:38I don't need this.

1:28:40Don't quit Zoom, please.

1:28:42We are revising the menu bar again, so we're hiding the Zoom icon.

1:28:46Okay, so this is the final version of the menu bar. Hold on.

1:28:50Are you taking a new screenshot then?

1:28:52I am taking the final... This is menu bar tchv3_final.

1:28:58Okay, so this is my final menu bar. Where is it?

1:29:02Where is it?

1:29:03Mine is as it was when we did the challenge.

1:29:07You can't...

1:29:08Well, I needed some help.

1:29:10Yeah.

1:29:11To get it to a place where...

1:29:12Okay, so there's a time machine back place, and the last one is ExpressVPN.

1:29:17Sponsor of the show, but I do actually use it for one very specific problem, which is

1:29:24the website where I purchase my Lossless albums.

1:29:29not available in Italy therefore I have to use a VPN to buy that music.

1:29:33Yep, I have these problems all the time where it's like John Sen's an art court and it's

1:29:37from like the Chicago Tribune and it's like no you can't read that. It's like okay.

1:29:42Oh but that shortcut looks like the system VPN.

1:29:46Oh yeah no it's a it is network preferences I guess.

1:29:50Because I think you can start it from either place.

1:29:52Yeah but it says but it it says connect ExpressVPN.

1:29:56Yeah yeah you can.

1:29:58you can set up either way. I kind of like the system VPN icon and it's been the

1:30:03same for a really long time. I mean it's kind of fun. I don't know what it is. It

1:30:07looks like a laser beam. It looks like the top of a truck. Like if you were looking at a truck from above.

1:30:13Yeah, yeah, no I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the panic track scene from above.

1:30:17Yeah. I don't know. But yeah. That's it. Menu bars. Do you have anything you would

1:30:24like to say about menu bars anymore Federico? No, not really. Because you had a lot of

1:30:29opinions about menu bars earlier. Did I have opinions? You did. Maybe you got

1:30:35them all out. Mostly I had questions. Questions are not opinions. Yeah I suppose.

1:30:39They're just the start of it, the potential beginning of an opinion.

1:30:44Oh I like that. Okay. That feels like something you could put on like a poster.

1:30:48she got a tattoo for that I would be a big tattoo because you said a lot of

1:30:54things so questions are not opinions they are just a potential beginning of

1:30:58an opinion that is a huge I know could be a t-shirt well Sylvia is a full poem

1:31:04on her ribcage so I think it's doable is that what you want so she has a poem

1:31:10I'm sure means something to her and you want questions and opinions so but they

1:31:16are just the potential beginning of an opinion. Yeah but if you get it in like

1:31:21in English it looks more fancy in Italian so all my friends would be like

1:31:25oh is that the text from a song? So I would have to get it in Italian. It's a

1:31:30it's an early Death Cab album you haven't heard of it. Pretty much how it

1:31:35works with tattoos you get them in a different language they look so much

1:31:38fancier than they actually are. That's why everyone does like Chinese script

1:31:41for peace on the back of their neck and it really says you know corn dogs sure

1:31:48I'm sure it says that this has been great yes thank you Myke this was a very

1:31:54good idea great idea Myke I'm going to check out the clocks app you mentioned

1:31:59because that's good one it looks way better than the dumb widget in Mac OS

1:32:03that I will put a link in the show notes because you will not find this in the

1:32:07App Store if you try searching for okay I've told you that right now it is

1:32:10impossible just a name of the clock like you're never gonna know if you get the

1:32:15right one so do they have a iOS app - I think so but it sucks if that's what if

1:32:21I'm remembering correctly or I could be thinking of a different one it's called

1:32:24the clock mobile and the clock HD an iPad that's the name they go with HD oh

1:32:30man I love them all right you know that's like such an old-school thing

1:32:35maybe this might not be the one that sucks I don't remember I've used so many

1:32:39of these over time that like I don't remember anymore which are the good

1:32:43ones and which are the bad ones. I wasn't serious by the way I totally made it up.

1:32:48Well they do they have something called the clock 4 is on iOS and it's

1:32:51universal on iOS. Man I'm just watching it now their

1:32:55preferences pain is a real situation on the back. Yeah it takes a while as well

1:32:59to get it set up visually to look the way you want like at first they want you

1:33:04to do way too much so it takes a while to dial it in but it is good once you

1:33:07get it though. I'm gonna check this out because I have been not really

1:33:12looking but kind of looking for something that would do this. Anything

1:33:15else we talk about? Menu bar stuff? I don't think so. Anything else? I have realized now I'm

1:33:21sitting out here on my iMac because this is my MacBook Pro that I have so many

1:33:25different things on the iMac. I've clicked the bartender thing and

1:33:29there's like four things that I wasn't expecting it to be so there you go.

1:33:32Well that's the thing too, like if I set the clock up then I gotta do it on the

1:33:36laptop right like yep yep all right well thank you for hanging out with us today

1:33:42this has been well it's been a lot of fun in the summer stop doing that if you

1:33:48every show has its individual things if you want to create a game called the

1:33:52Billy's on upgrade right this is the way you're going it's time for some ask ATP

1:33:57if you want to find links to the stuff and the apps we spoke about head on over

1:34:02to our website relay.fm/connected/355. While you're on the relay website, check out Roboism.

1:34:11It's hosted by our friends Kathy and Alex. They explore how things like AI, machine learning,

1:34:17and digital assistants affect our culture. You can explore the humanity behind the bots

1:34:23that are quickly becoming a part of our everyday life. That's relay.fm/robowism or search for

1:34:29for Roboism wherever you get your podcast. If you want to find us online, you can do

1:34:34so. We're easy to track down. You can find Myke on Twitter as @imyke. Myke, what is something

1:34:40else that you do?

1:34:42I sell paper products, notebooks, and journals. Go to cortexmerch.com, check out Theme System

1:34:48Journal, sell notebook, whatever you want.

1:34:50You can find Federico on Twitter, @vitiicci, and he's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

1:34:59Do you have any other editors? John. What is John's title? John is senior editor.

1:35:08Because he's old? Actually no, I should have said managing editor, I'm sorry. Yeah but I guess the plan is

1:35:18eventually we would like to have more writers who have just been busy doing other things but it's

1:35:25definitely in our plans to get some help. You should call him the one true editor.

1:35:33Also that that's a very good title. That should be his official job title.

1:35:37But yeah. You could make him get business cards that say that. The one true editor.

1:35:42Oh my god, one true editor. Make him have it on his email outgoing email signature.

1:35:48Yep, his Twitter bio. This is the best troll possible. We can make the things

1:35:54that can make him do. I don't think Federico wants to make a joke of his company, but we'll

1:35:58just keep pushing him on it.

1:36:00Yeah, sure.

1:36:01Federico, how's the review going?

1:36:05It's going now. I've started writing the iPadOS chapter this week, so it's going well. It's

1:36:11going, you know, lightweight style, no more philosophical, you know, digressions throughout

1:36:22the story, it's going well, I'm really happy with it, and the iPadOS chapter is

1:36:27probably the biggest one of the review, and the fact that I'm moving from

1:36:30section to section pretty quickly is a good sign.

1:36:33How many words you out so far?

1:36:35You know, I don't know that, but I can check. I want to say...

1:36:42No, I don't want to say anything, let's see...

1:36:45Yeah, don't want to guess, just give me the answer.

1:36:48I can give you an answer if you just give me one second what's it called in my

1:36:53oh there it is okay review let's see I'm just gonna select oh this is gonna take

1:37:01a while oh no this is way too slow all right you carry on and maybe we put this

1:37:07in connected pro get a gap connected pro code you want to find out how many

1:37:10words Federico's written so far thank you for everybody that supports the show

1:37:14You can find me on Twitter as ismh. I write at fivephilpixels.net and please if you haven't checked out my Kickstarter

1:37:21I would greatly greatly appreciate you pledging and backing it having a cool wall calendar in your house

1:37:27What was the domain that we bought for you? Was it Apple hardware calendar.com? You bought it

1:37:32Yeah, Apple

1:37:35Yeah, Apple hardware calendar.com. That's where you can go and get the Kickstarter back to Kickstarter

1:37:42That, uh, my network channel let me visit applehardwarecalendar.com.

1:37:48What?

1:37:49Oh, it's an HTTPS thing, and Eero didn't like it.

1:37:53Yeah, there you go.

1:37:56Parental controls.

1:37:57It's a hot calendar.

1:37:59It is.

1:38:00There are some hot calendars on Kickstarter.

1:38:02I keep getting them on my Kickstarter homepage because they're back to yours, so that's something

1:38:07you've given to everyone.

1:38:09Thanks, Eero.

1:38:10You're welcome.

1:38:11I'm gonna be off next week. I'm gonna miss you all. Oh, yeah a bunch. I look forward to listening

1:38:17I'm gonna talk about Pokemon and

1:38:19Los Los audio perfect probably awesome. Okay. There's a strong chance that both of those things will come up because they always do so I

1:38:27Know so I will miss you all I will miss you dear audience

1:38:30But until next time say goodbye. How do you that you cheerio? Bye y'all