354: Now You Drink Water Using a Balloon

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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 354.

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0:00:14Instabug, Mack Weldon, and Hover.

0:00:17My name is Steven Hackett,

0:00:18and I'm joined as always by Mr. Federico Faticci.

0:00:22- Hello, Steven, how are you?

0:00:23- I'm good, how are you?

0:00:25- I'm good, doing really good.

0:00:27- That's good.

0:00:28You sound good on your new microphone.

0:00:29No, thank you.

0:00:31It was a joy to edit last week.

0:00:33Also joined by Myke Hurley.

0:00:35Hello.

0:00:36You sound the way you did.

0:00:38Were you expecting anything different?

0:00:41I don't know.

0:00:42I was like, you gotta up the ante.

0:00:43Would you like me to set up a different microphone for you?

0:00:46I mean, I have some other options here.

0:00:47Would you like me to go get one?

0:00:49You should have upped your vocal cord game

0:00:52to make up for my new microphone.

0:00:56Give me an example.

0:00:57what is this, what is this, what is the output I'm achieving here?

0:01:01I don't know, like you should have done vocal exercises or something like that.

0:01:05Ah.

0:01:06Is there like a vocal coach for podcasting?

0:01:10I mean there probably should be.

0:01:11This is something I have worried about.

0:01:13Podcast vocal coach.

0:01:16Okay, so I worry about this sometimes, you know, I think it's a combination of my advancing

0:01:21years and the fact that I talk so much, not just in podcasting, but I talk so much all

0:01:27the time, I'm a big talker. Say if I was in an environment where it was loud, you know,

0:01:33maybe I was at a bar or whatever or in a restaurant talking for a while, maybe the next day my

0:01:39throat would be really sore or I would get like a metallic taste in my mouth, which definitely

0:01:44isn't good. And I always think to myself, oh man, am I going to talk so much one day

0:01:49that that's just it for me? Oh, okay.

0:01:52They're like, you're going to stop talking?

0:01:55Well, it's like maybe human beings have a limited amount of words they can say in their lifetime, but usually...

0:02:01That's a fun way to think about it.

0:02:03Usually, they don't hit it, but podcasters will be the first people to hit it.

0:02:07Okay, I have some some real-time follow-up.

0:02:10No, I don't want it! I don't want it!

0:02:12I haven't found a podcast Vocal Coach we can hire, but there's an NPR article on how to find your podcast voice,

0:02:19but I don't want to sound like an NPR podcast because they all sound like it's very important.

0:02:24And then there's a bunch of blog posts from people.

0:02:26"Welcome to Connected. My name is Myke Hurley. Filling in for..."

0:02:31That's a great joke from Pogs and Brack.

0:02:34This show has been produced by...

0:02:36You gotta say who produces the show if you want to do like an NPR-style show.

0:02:40And then there's 75 people that you then list off.

0:02:44Our associate producer is Jonathan...

0:02:48Voorhees. The one true...

0:02:50One true Jon.

0:02:52Our one true producer.

0:02:54I mean I worry about this too. I'll use my voice really easily.

0:02:56My voice has definitely changed a lot over the years and if that track continues, I'm definitely in trouble, but-

0:03:01Joe!

0:03:02[laughter]

0:03:04See? You should probably stop doing that, Steven.

0:03:06Yeah, stop screaming all the time.

0:03:09I can't do the Joe character today because I'm recording in my studio, but they're

0:03:15building the other half, like around the other side of the door. They're doing trim work today and due to a bunch of boring reasons

0:03:22I couldn't record in the house and so I'm out here.

0:03:24So A, there's gonna be some background noise probably,

0:03:26I apologize, but I also can't do like the Joe voice

0:03:30because if I start screaming like that,

0:03:31they're gonna wonder what's going on in here

0:03:33and they're already very curious about me.

0:03:36- Oh, that's why you should do it.

0:03:37- This isn't why, this isn't why.

0:03:39He doesn't want people to hear him do that.

0:03:42That's what it is.

0:03:42It's not about the shouting.

0:03:44- Thousands and thousands and thousands of people

0:03:46hear me do it.

0:03:47It's in an application on the App Store.

0:03:49- Yeah, but no, you don't want,

0:03:51You don't want the people in real life that are in your life right now.

0:03:56Yeah.

0:03:56You may be related to at least some of them. Not cause it's a weird thing.

0:04:00It's just because Steven knows a lot of, that sounded strange. It's like small town.

0:04:05Surely you're related. That's not what I meant. Uh, but you know,

0:04:10I'm, I'm expecting you don't want them to hear you, uh,

0:04:12doing your fake Southern accent.

0:04:14You don't want people to go to your wife and be like, Hey,

0:04:17your husband's kind of weird.

0:04:19It's right. How could I combine the Joe voice and the ASMR though?

0:04:24Joe.

0:04:25Joe.

0:04:29It's too strained. It sounds like you're in pain.

0:04:33Southern, hold on. Southern America.

0:04:38No, Southern United States ASMR.

0:04:44Joe.

0:04:45Okay. ASMR, Southern foods, soft spoken.

0:04:49It's a video on YouTube. There's also ASMR southern accent soft-spoken.

0:04:55I mean, I'm not surprised about the fact that there are people from the south of America who do ASMR.

0:05:02This is a very specific genre.

0:05:05Everyone has their own special thing. Follow-up!

0:05:08Yours is Apple Watch backups, because for some reason we're still talking about this for the third week in a row.

0:05:14Because there was a grave error in the previous episode.

0:05:16- Oh, it's just the green thing all over again.

0:05:20- Green Gate was real.

0:05:22- I don't care if it was real,

0:05:23but like, why do we have this follow up?

0:05:26It's only you.

0:05:28- I just need to set the record straight.

0:05:31- Why?

0:05:31- There is a remove all button on that screen,

0:05:36but I had too many backups to see the button.

0:05:38I didn't try scrolling because Apple doesn't believe

0:05:40in showing you that something is scrollable

0:05:43unless you try scrolling it, which is bad.

0:05:45So you can remove them all at once.

0:05:48You don't have to do them individually

0:05:49and then get dumped back out into the settings app.

0:05:51I still maintain the settings app is bad.

0:05:54I still maintain that the iPhone storage screen is too slow.

0:05:58I didn't hear anything about that.

0:05:59So I guess no one knows.

0:06:02- Kraft is finally working on tables.

0:06:06I feel like I have been begging for them to do this

0:06:09and they are finally doing it.

0:06:11They tweeted about it, like showing a video of it.

0:06:13It looks like exactly what I want to do.

0:06:15It's just the tables in the app.

0:06:17I'm super pumped.

0:06:18I hope it comes soon.

0:06:19Craft continues to do lots of interesting and cool stuff

0:06:23and I like the app very much.

0:06:25- We have a couple of emoji related things to talk about.

0:06:29Myke, do you want to tell us about

0:06:30your campaign for Weird Fish?

0:06:32- Okay, so it is World Emoji Day on the 17th of July.

0:06:37So that's this coming Saturday.

0:06:39In the lead up to World Emoji Day,

0:06:42Emojipedia has done this for a few years.

0:06:45a thing called the Emoji Awards.

0:06:47And this seems, this is a publicly voted competition

0:06:51to choose the emoji of the year.

0:06:54And this is based on usage statistics.

0:06:57So it's like, there are awards that are given out

0:07:01by the Emoji Awards, but then there's also this kind

0:07:04of like public vote one.

0:07:05I think it's called most popular emoji.

0:07:07But the most 2021 emoji is what they're calling it,

0:07:09my apologies.

0:07:10So there's like brackets and it's like, you know,

0:07:12We're talking rollercoaster, DNA, broken heart, the syringe, face with mask.

0:07:20But one of them is our very favorite emoji, the microbe emoji,

0:07:24known as the weird fish emoji to connected listeners.

0:07:28Yes.

0:07:29We have gotten it into the semi-final, we were tweeting about it.

0:07:35It's currently in a three-way face-off as we're speaking right now.

0:07:39There's just five hours left on this vote.

0:07:40So by the time this is out, you may not have heard it,

0:07:42but there's still point for me to talk about this.

0:07:44It's in a three-way face-off against the smiling face

0:07:47with tear and face with medical mask.

0:07:49Currently, Myke Robe is ahead because the three of us

0:07:52have been tweeting about it all day,

0:07:53with 39.8% of the vote.

0:07:55- Yes.

0:07:56- If it wins, which hopefully it will,

0:07:58this Twitter account will then be putting it off

0:08:00in a final match against the syringe emoji,

0:08:03which definitely feels like odds are stacked against it.

0:08:06So the passionate ones, connected listeners,

0:08:09Click the link in the show notes, go to the tweet and vote if you can.

0:08:12Otherwise, follow this account @emojiawards,

0:08:16put the notifications on for this account,

0:08:18because when they tweet to do like the 12 hours or whatever,

0:08:22you got to vote in the final.

0:08:23We are relying on you all to make the weird fish emoji

0:08:27the best emoji of the year.

0:08:28We are putting our thumb on the scales.

0:08:31Let's bring this one home.

0:08:32- It's coming home, I guess?

0:08:34- Yes, yes, it's coming home.

0:08:37Let's get the weird fish home.

0:08:38- That's right, I love when you look at all the quote tweets

0:08:40and replies, it's all just weird fish stuff.

0:08:43- If the only replies to these tweets, if they're ever,

0:08:45pretty much are just, "Hey, weird fish."

0:08:47So, come on.

0:08:48- Thankfully, it's part of the Emojipedia empire,

0:08:51so Jeremy knows what all these tweets mean.

0:08:54- Oh, I have no doubt that Jeremy is aware

0:08:56that we're doing this.

0:08:57I was actually talking to him today about the Emojipedia,

0:09:01showing off the emoji, but he didn't mention this.

0:09:04I'm sure he's, well, I don't know if he's aware,

0:09:07Because Emojipedia is now an empire which is quite vast.

0:09:10And Jeremy is not doing this. He has people that does this stuff for him.

0:09:13I don't know if he knows that we're putting our thumbs on the scales,

0:09:16but he probably does by now.

0:09:18So we're exerting our influence here.

0:09:21Come on, let's bring it home.

0:09:22We are rigging these elections, basically.

0:09:24I wouldn't say that, you know.

0:09:27We're just advertising for a certain side.

0:09:30We are basically Russia right now.

0:09:35That's what we're doing.

0:09:36We're the rusher of podcasts.

0:09:39I don't like any of this.

0:09:40I just like to think that it's a free and open voting and we would just like to encourage

0:09:48that people vote in a very specific way.

0:09:51Okay.

0:09:52But go vote for the weird fish, obviously.

0:09:55Yes.

0:09:56Please vote for the weird fish.

0:09:57That's right.

0:09:58And make sure it gets into the final.

0:09:59In fact, if you vote for the weird fish, you're going to hear even more details from this

0:10:04podcast.

0:10:05you're gonna get better audio quality

0:10:07if you vote for the weird fish.

0:10:09- If you don't know that joke,

0:10:11go check out relay.fm/connected/212.

0:10:15That is a episode called "Nano Hippo"

0:10:17where weird fish was born.

0:10:20- This was the Jeremy's before the Jeremy's, right?

0:10:22- Yes, this was before they had the name.

0:10:24- Yep.

0:10:25- Okay, up next, you mentioned that Emojipedia

0:10:29was showing off emoji version 14.0,

0:10:32which will be the next set of emoji

0:10:34that we should see.

0:10:36This is a draft, it could change.

0:10:40This is what will become the Jeremy's in the future,

0:10:43the game where Federico has to pick the name of emoji

0:10:47based on the images.

0:10:48So Federico has not looked at this list,

0:10:51he cannot look at this list.

0:10:52- I've seen screenshots, I've tried not to look too much

0:10:56at screenshots, but I can tell you John,

0:10:59one true John, sent me a draft for our article.

0:11:03I did not read the draft.

0:11:06So stay true to my mission.

0:11:09I don't wanna know anything about this emoji

0:11:13until it's time.

0:11:14- So little unknown when we're gonna get these.

0:11:16So I can give a little bit of background

0:11:17having spoken to Mr. Emoji himself today.

0:11:21Because of that, there was like some delays in the process.

0:11:23Usually about this point, they would be showing off

0:11:26and like tech companies and stuff will be showing off,

0:11:29hey, these are some of the,

0:11:30like Apple have done this in the past I think,

0:11:32like Microsoft and others,

0:11:35these are what the emoji are gonna look like

0:11:36on our platforms later in the year.

0:11:38But because of COVID, it got delayed.

0:11:40And so what we're seeing right now,

0:11:42this is the draft for voting on

0:11:44and things could change still.

0:11:46So some of these emojis may not actually exist.

0:11:50So it's probably unlikely

0:11:53that we're gonna see many companies implement this

0:11:56until much later in the process.

0:11:57Like it's not gonna be in 2021,

0:12:00it's probably going to be sometime in the first half of 2022 before we start to see these emoji appear.

0:12:07And the ones that we're seeing from the Emojipedia mock-ups,

0:12:11not all of these emoji could actually be included in the final version.

0:12:17Because this is like a draft.

0:12:19Yeah, this is a draft, exactly.

0:12:21So this is kind of where the consortium is right now,

0:12:24but they still haven't had the final vote, which would have been done by now.

0:12:27And when it comes around to this time of the year,

0:12:30everyone would kind of know

0:12:31and would have started working on them.

0:12:32But we're a few months behind now

0:12:35because COVID ruins everything, including emoji.

0:12:39- Just a quick reminder

0:12:40that the 2022 Apple hardware calendar,

0:12:43my Kickstarter is still going.

0:12:45We're about halfway through right now

0:12:48and sitting at about 800 backers.

0:12:50Thank you all who backed it and supported it

0:12:52after the last episode.

0:12:54If you haven't checked it out,

0:12:55there's a link in the show notes.

0:12:56I'd love to have you, you know,

0:12:59put up one of these sweet calendars in your house

0:13:01for 2022 later this year.

0:13:03So go check it out.

0:13:05- You're doing stickers though, right?

0:13:06- I am doing stickers.

0:13:07So the top tier,

0:13:09which is named Get It All,

0:13:13is the digital wallpaper pack, the four by six prints,

0:13:16the wall calendar, and some stickers.

0:13:18So I'm working with a designer on those.

0:13:20Not quite ready to show them off yet,

0:13:22but they are really, really cool.

0:13:25Y'all have seen the drafts.

0:13:26I'll share them in an update on the Kickstarter page

0:13:29as soon as I can, but I'm very excited about them.

0:13:32And it's the only way these stickers will go into the world.

0:13:35So it's only through this Kickstarter campaign.

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0:15:07All right, Federico, your favorite text editor

0:15:10is now available for everyone on your favorite platform.

0:15:14- Yes, you're talking about Obsidian,

0:15:16which launched on iPhone and iPad a few days ago.

0:15:22And I'm really happy. So this has been in beta for the past few months.

0:15:25I switched to Obsidian...

0:15:27three, four months ago, as soon as the mobile beta opened up.

0:15:33And I don't know where to begin by talking about this on the podcast.

0:15:39So I'm gonna open it up to questions from you guys in a minute.

0:15:43But I just want to say that right now I don't have...

0:15:46So I thought, look, I'm not gonna have time to do like a proper in-depth,

0:15:51you know, teaching style review on Mac Stories because I'm working on the iOS and iPadOS

0:15:56review and a few other things. So I thought I am going to do this in installments for

0:16:03club Mac Stories members. So as of tomorrow, on Friday, I will publish the first in a series

0:16:12that I don't know how many parts of the series there will be, but I'm going to do like the

0:16:18the first installment of this deep dive into my Obsidian setup, starting from the very

0:16:24basics with Sync, and what the difference between Core and Community plugins, how you

0:16:32should get started with settings, whether you should store your documents in iCloud

0:16:38Drive or local storage, you know, all the basics. And I have a long list of things I

0:16:43I want to cover, like the third party plugins that I use and how I set up keyboard shortcuts

0:16:49on my iPad, how I deal with multiple notes at the same time, you know, all the and the

0:16:55custom plugins that we are making with the One True Son. So, yeah, that's going to be

0:17:04for Club Max Aries members. I don't know how long it will last, probably until September.

0:17:10I don't know, but I will also be making shortcuts for Obsidian eventually.

0:17:14So that's going to be a thing on the club.

0:17:17And I don't know, what do you guys want to know?

0:17:22I know the big thing with Obsidian on the desktop is that it's completely customizable.

0:17:27You can change the UI, you can add all these plugins and stuff.

0:17:32How much of that has carried over to iOS?

0:17:35All of it.

0:17:36The iPhone and iPad app is essentially an exact replica of what you can do on the Mac

0:17:45and PC and Linux, I believe.

0:17:48There's also Obsidian for Linux.

0:17:49Yes, I think so.

0:17:51Yeah, so there's a few differences, obviously.

0:17:54The big one I feel is you cannot enter the developer mode.

0:18:02So on desktop, because Obsidian is an Electron app, it's basically based on web technologies,

0:18:09you can inspect the entire UI of Obsidian with the same web inspector you would use

0:18:15in Safari or Google Chrome. And that's what you use for making plugins or custom CSS snippets,

0:18:24you want to inspect how the UI is made, and then you can make your own snippet for customizing

0:18:31the interface. So that's not available on iPhone and iPad. Everything else is there.

0:18:37So you can install the core plugins, which would be the built-in plugins made by the

0:18:42Obsidian developers. There's the community plugins. So community plugins, there's a built-in

0:18:48directory where you can find hundreds of plugins made by third-party developers that the Obsidian

0:18:57community officially vetted and allowed in the directory, but you can also install your own.

0:19:07So if you have a folder with a plugin, you can install your own files, like I do with the plugins

0:19:13that Fin makes for me. It's a little more involved on iOS and iPadOS to do this manual installation.

0:19:20There's shortcuts that can help you with that, because you gotta install these files in a hidden

0:19:26folder. So there's a few... I've made a few shortcuts. You can find them in the Obsidian

0:19:30forums, actually. I posted them there. But everything else is there, like the same hotkeys,

0:19:36you can install custom themes, you can make your own custom theme, you can install CSS

0:19:43snippets to modify little bits of the UI. You can do everything you can do on desktop,

0:19:49and it's pretty incredible. I feel like this kind of app would have not been possible years

0:19:55ago, but then, you know, three, four years ago when Apple sort of lifted their restrictions

0:20:02on this kind of apps, you know, remember there was a big controversy with Pythonista and

0:20:07editorial and how you were not allowed to share code, basically, with other users. That's

0:20:15long been possible now, so it's totally fine. Also these plugins that you installed in Obsidian,

0:20:21are basically like CSS, HTML, and JavaScript files. And there's plenty of

0:20:27JavaScript apps on iOS, and there's plenty of CSS and HTML editors on iOS.

0:20:32And of course everything is sandboxed, so if you want to get access to the

0:20:37clipboard, you're going to get a permission dialog. If you want to get

0:20:41access to your photos, you're going to get a permission dialog on iOS. So yeah,

0:20:45it's the same Obsidian that you have on the Mac, and in fact, now if

0:20:51If you, with Obsidian Sync, if you pay for the Sync add-on,

0:20:55which is, I believe, a $4 a month subscription,

0:20:59you can sync your settings between devices.

0:21:04It used to be that settings were platform specific.

0:21:09As of a couple of weeks ago,

0:21:11there's support for syncing your, not just your settings,

0:21:14but also your hotkeys, your themes, your plugins.

0:21:19You can even sync your plugins between devices.

0:21:22So you don't have to, you know, on the iPhone,

0:21:24go there and manually reinstall one by one,

0:21:28all the plugins that you previously installed on the Mac.

0:21:31You can sync those.

0:21:32So yeah, it's pretty impressive.

0:21:35Right now I am, so I'm doing everything in Obsidian.

0:21:40Like it's my note-taking app and it's my writing app.

0:21:44And it's been that way for the past three, four months.

0:21:48There's a few things in Apple Notes, in iPadOS 15,

0:21:52that are really tempting right now,

0:21:54like Quick Note, for example.

0:21:57But, like I try to use Quick Note for a week

0:22:00instead of the system that I have in Obsidian

0:22:04for saving links and Quick Notes.

0:22:08And it's really impressive,

0:22:09like the big advantage of Quick Note

0:22:11is that it's system-wide, right?

0:22:13And you can trigger it anywhere

0:22:16with a swipe from the corner of the screen

0:22:18or a keyboard shortcut.

0:22:20But the thing is, then when I'm in the Notes app,

0:22:23I really miss everything else from Obsidian,

0:22:26like the quick switcher, for example,

0:22:27how in Obsidian you can type Command + O

0:22:30and you can instantly navigate

0:22:32to any other file in your database.

0:22:35And Kraft has something similar, right,

0:22:37where you can hit Command + O

0:22:39and you have this quick switcher

0:22:41that lets you move between notes.

0:22:43I feel like that kind of interaction

0:22:46has become really popular in third-party note-taking apps

0:22:49and Notes doesn't have it.

0:22:52And I also miss, like, in Obsidian,

0:22:54I can split the UI in multiple panes, right?

0:22:59So I can have two, three, four, five Notes

0:23:02open at the same time.

0:23:04And obviously that kind of layout is more useful on a Mac,

0:23:08where you, especially if you have a desktop Mac

0:23:11with a large display attached.

0:23:13But still, I could do that with multi-window in Apple Notes,

0:23:18but it wouldn't be as easy or as keyboard-centric

0:23:23as it is in Obsidian.

0:23:24So all that to say, I'm really fast in Obsidian.

0:23:28Like, I can work really fast,

0:23:30and I can switch between my workspaces

0:23:32and between my notes really quickly.

0:23:35And so that sort of speed and keyboard-focused approach

0:23:42and the plugins.

0:23:44I'm not really that much into the visual customization.

0:23:48I prefer to use Obsidian with the default theme.

0:23:51- Oh, that's interesting.

0:23:52I feel like you've always used different fonts and stuff

0:23:55in apps like IARiter and stuff like that.

0:23:57- Yes. - Considering you can do it,

0:23:59why haven't you?

0:24:00- I had issues like a couple of months ago

0:24:03when I tried to install SF Mono.

0:24:06I would like to use SF Mono as my editing font in Obsidian,

0:24:12but it wasn't working and I just didn't want to waste any more time on it.

0:24:15The default UI, I mean, Obsidian is weird in places, right?

0:24:20We've talked about this before. It's an Electron app.

0:24:23I was going to ask you if it feels like an iOS app.

0:24:26No, it doesn't.

0:24:28-And you're cool with that? -It feels like Obsidian.

0:24:30Yeah, yeah, I am.

0:24:31Initially, like, it took me a while,

0:24:34especially because the beta, the mobile beta at first was really rough.

0:24:40You just gotta accept that when you open Obsidian, it's like its own little world, right?

0:24:46It's like its own little planet where things are different.

0:24:49And I should also say that, you know, you hear Obsidian, you probably think of, like,

0:24:55people showing off these screenshots of these graph views, you know, with thousands of notes

0:25:03with the connections between them.

0:25:06And that's cool, right?

0:25:08a lot of academics, a lot of programmers, a lot of university professors, for example,

0:25:15use Obsidian. And they have libraries with thousands of notes, and they use backlinks

0:25:21and all that kind of stuff. I don't. Like, I have the Graph View disabled. I use backlinks

0:25:28a lot, but I don't. I do not backlink every single thing in Obsidian, and it's totally

0:25:34And that to me is what I really appreciate about this app, that some core functionalities you can just disable if you don't care about them.

0:25:46The plugin system extends to the built-in features of the app as well, and if you do not want them, you can just turn them off, and it's fine.

0:25:56fine, and Obsidian keeps working the same way. But it's just, yeah, you gotta accept that

0:26:02it looks a bit weird, and there's a few visual glitches, but what it lacks in that sort of

0:26:11native feel, it totally makes up for in raw functionality and speed. It's really, really fast

0:26:20in switching between notes and loading hundreds of notes.

0:26:24And because everything is based on a folder in Finder or the Files app,

0:26:30you can go wild in terms of shortcuts that you can build, right?

0:26:36Especially in iOS and iPadOS 15 with the new Files actions.

0:26:42I have shortcuts to save image attachments into Obsidian.

0:26:46and I have shortcuts to compile my iOS review.

0:26:49And it's that combination of there's plugins in Obsidian,

0:26:54but there's also automation outside of Obsidian.

0:26:58And the same is true on the Mac,

0:26:59where you can use AppleScript,

0:27:01you can use shortcuts in Monterey,

0:27:03all kinds of automation that deals with the Finder,

0:27:06up extends to Obsidian as well,

0:27:10because at the end of the day,

0:27:11It's just a front end for a folder in your file manager.

0:27:16You gotta stop me because otherwise I'm just gonna keep talking.

0:27:20I don't know what I would use this application for.

0:27:24I can see that people really love it, and I know so many people now who are all in on

0:27:29it big time.

0:27:32I don't think I have a use for it.

0:27:33If someone could tell me what that use would be, maybe I would check it out.

0:27:36But I just don't think this is for me.

0:27:39I can see its power and I know enough really smart people who want to use this application

0:27:45and find it to be like nothing they've ever used before, but I just don't really think

0:27:50it's my scene.

0:27:54That's fine. I really feel like its core audience is the writer or academic type user. You can

0:28:07use it for general note-taking, but I feel like it's still people who write for a living

0:28:15or have to produce essays or papers or have to organize all this research material. That's

0:28:23the core audience of the app, and I feel like everybody else is doing pretty okay with Notes,

0:28:31which is really like... Notes is a really great note-taking app, but also Kraft, if

0:28:35if you're looking for a more flexible version of Notes.

0:28:38- Yeah, I mean, and people will super into

0:28:40like Notion and Roam and there's something,

0:28:42it feels like with this kind of stuff now,

0:28:43there is something for everyone.

0:28:45- Yes, yeah.

0:28:46- You just got to find your bliss.

0:28:48- Yeah, it's like the email clients of a few years ago,

0:28:52right, when suddenly one of these markets explodes

0:28:56for whatever reason, and you have a lot of choice

0:29:01with different options for different kinds of users.

0:29:05And Obsidian is, if you're the type of person who writes in Markdown and really, really likes Markdown,

0:29:13and used to appreciate the flexibility of Sublime Text a few years ago,

0:29:23and have always been looking for this customizable Markdown text editor,

0:29:29this is the app for you. That's how I would summarize it.

0:29:32If you're a markdown person that enjoys customization, this is the thing you've been looking for.

0:29:39It's all coming up Federico this week though, right?

0:29:41You finally got your battery pack.

0:29:43Yes, I did.

0:29:47It's coming on Monday?

0:29:49No probably later than that.

0:29:50Maybe Tuesday or Wednesday.

0:29:51Wow, spoilers.

0:29:52Steven, what is the MagSafe battery pack?

0:29:55It is a little backpack.

0:29:57It is like a little backpack!

0:30:00It is!

0:30:01now I want it! It's a magnetic fanny pack for your phone. Oh my god, don't say that.

0:30:07It charges at 5 watts which we can talk about but it's not a case like the

0:30:12previous iPhone battery cases you know they had like the internal lightning

0:30:18port and it was like an actual case with sides in the back this is just a battery

0:30:23wrapped in Apple's soft touch material that clicks on to the back of your iPhone

0:30:2712. I love it. I just this is the thing I wanted and they did it. I think it's so

0:30:33weird. Why? I think this product's really weird. It's the obvious

0:30:39product to make. It's just like peculiar to me. So charges at 5 watts, super slow. I

0:30:48will be really intrigued to know what it's like in in use. Like you know like

0:30:54it is it possible to drain faster than it can charge I don't know I don't think

0:31:00that an iPhone can really do that much like maybe if you're watching video but

0:31:05probably not but five watts is slow it's the first product to do reverse charging

0:31:10this is a really interesting tidbit that the verge picked up I saw that it there

0:31:14first anyway so you can charge the battery pack if you pull if you attach

0:31:24it to your iPhone and plug a lightning cable into your iPhone. It charges both your phone

0:31:32and the battery pack. So this is the first accessory that has got reverse MagSafe charging

0:31:40from Apple. Which is the thing that was suggested would be possible after these phones came

0:31:47out and I think Apple applied for regulatory approval for accessories to be charged via

0:31:54MagSafe and this is the first one to do that. I find that interesting and you can

0:31:57do it both ways. You can either plug into the battery and it will charge the

0:32:01battery and then the phone or vice versa. The battery seems small. It's apparently

0:32:081460 mAh. Apparently it will be a full charge for a mini but a

0:32:16partial charge for everything else which I believe is different to how the

0:32:23cases have been in the past, they feel like they've been much bigger batteries in the

0:32:27iPhone cases than these. Also, maybe I'm just like continuing to beat a dead horse here

0:32:35on this one, but I think in the Apple support article they've referenced how a 20 watt power

0:32:41adapter will make sure that you can charge the MagSafe battery pack on your iPhone even

0:32:46faster which is something Apple never gives you, right? I'm never going to get over that,

0:32:52annoys me so much. People that really want this product and in on the MagSafe

0:32:55life is probably great. I'm sure Federico is gonna have three of them. It'll keep

0:32:57him in a bag and he'll just be like like he's got a drone out there you know

0:33:01that's what drone people do they take all their extra batteries and and I

0:33:04actually like it for that right you could have a couple even though they're

0:33:07$100 and you could attach them and it seems cool but I just think that this is

0:33:14this product has some eccentricities and I think is also maybe in some ways not

0:33:21as good as the previous version, right, in the fact that the battery is like smaller and stuff,

0:33:26but it is maybe more convenient. I don't know. I'll tell you why this is the perfect accessory for me.

0:33:32Please tell me. I'm really into the MagSafe lifestyle, right? I have a MagSafe phone holder

0:33:39in my car, and I'm a huge, huge MagSafe wallet user. Like, I use it all the time. That little

0:33:47thing changed my life honestly over the past year. Just because I don't have to carry my wallet

0:33:52anymore, I don't have to ask Silvia to take my wallet and put it in her purse, it's incredible.

0:34:00Now that I'm going to the beach, right, it's the summer we go to the beach, and the iPhone,

0:34:05the battery, it depletes much more quickly because it's trying to find the signal,

0:34:13and it's struggling with 4G, and we take a lot of videos and photos at the beach,

0:34:18which means, you know, it's 6pm and I have, you know, 10 or 15% left.

0:34:23What I can do now is I can take this little MagSafe battery with me at the beach,

0:34:30throw it in a backpack or something, and when it's time I can swap my wallet with the MagSafe battery,

0:34:37get enough charge and then put it back in the backpack and attach my wallet again. So it's like

0:34:44this little... it's like a modular setup that I have with my iPhone. I can attach different

0:34:49accessories depending on what I need. Like, we need to go to the little coffee place on the beach

0:34:56to grab an espresso. Great! I can detach the battery again and attach my wallet back in. And

0:35:03And I really like this. This is gonna be so good for me, honestly.

0:35:07I really love it.

0:35:08And actually, I kind of wish that you could stack multiple MagSafe accessories.

0:35:15Like, imagine if I could do iPhone, battery, and then wallet.

0:35:19Have like a little--

0:35:21Can the wallet not attach to the battery then?

0:35:24I don't know. I don't know.

0:35:25I would like to do this little MagSafe battery sandwich, if you will,

0:35:31like the iPhone, the battery and the wallet on top.

0:35:34I don't think MagSafe supports stacking.

0:35:37- Apparently you can do phone case battery.

0:35:42- Yeah, you can do phone case wallet.

0:35:43I imagine you will be able to do phone case battery.

0:35:46- Yeah.

0:35:47- But the problem is I don't think the battery

0:35:49is gonna have a MagSafe attachment on the outer side.

0:35:53- 'Cause it would have to have the little ring on it maybe.

0:35:56- Yeah, yeah, I think so.

0:35:58So that's wallet goes in pocket, battery goes on phone.

0:36:01- What I really want is, I don't need a huge battery, right?

0:36:05I just need to make sure that I can come back home

0:36:07and my phone isn't dead.

0:36:08And so if I could get it up to 30 or 40% again, great.

0:36:13That's all I need.

0:36:15I have a little battery that I can attach to my iPhone

0:36:19for emergencies, basically.

0:36:20And yeah, MagSafe, all the things.

0:36:25in theory, remember how months ago we talked about how I pre-ordered the PopSocket MagSafe line of accessories?

0:36:35Oh my god, I forgot about that.

0:36:36Yeah, those in theory... let me check in parcel... those in theory are coming at some point.

0:36:43So the last I heard... let's see, what are they...

0:36:47arrived at terminal location in Frankfurt, in Germany, three days ago.

0:36:53You'll have them just in time for when the battery arrives.

0:36:56Maybe, yeah, maybe. We'll see.

0:37:00I'm intrigued to get the Federico review of the magnetic pop socket.

0:37:04Yeah, it's gonna be fun I think. We can talk about that on the show.

0:37:09Yeah, man, the battery, I really want this battery. I cannot wait.

0:37:14Shame though about the single color. I would have liked to see more colors.

0:37:18Yeah, I was gonna say, what do you think about white? What do you think about white?

0:37:20It's fine. It's fine. I think it goes well with my gold iPhone red case combo.

0:37:27So I'm gonna have gold, red, white. I think it's gonna look nice.

0:37:31I would have liked to see more colors. I would have liked to see more options there as well.

0:37:37Like, I'm fine with it. Oh, I should mention this thing that we've been talking about the beach.

0:37:44There's one thing that has been annoying me about Twitter lately.

0:37:48Well, I guess it's not.

0:37:49Okay, I wasn't sure where this is.

0:37:50That would take a lot of steps, that one did.

0:37:53Hold on, yeah.

0:37:54All right.

0:37:55So there's a lot of things that are annoying me about people in general.

0:37:58And people on Twitter, especially.

0:38:01Right?

0:38:02But there's one thing that's been happening a lot this summer.

0:38:07People who appear to get upset if you say that you use an iPhone at the beach.

0:38:15Oh my god, yes.

0:38:16Every time. Yes. Every single time. I've been seeing this too. I think mostly it's tweets

0:38:21to you. Yes, like "Oh, what are you gonna enjoy your iPhone covered in sand?" I don't

0:38:27know if these people have ever seen sand or touched sand. Maybe they think of sand as

0:38:34like this dangerous thing, but it's like literally little pieces of stone and grung and glass,

0:38:45whatever, like it's totally fine, you can just blow it away or use your hand to remove

0:38:53it and modern iPhones are like dustproof and waterproof and nothing happens.

0:38:59Also, I really don't understand.

0:39:02Here's the other thing, why do people care about what you do with your phone?

0:39:06It's the tone of the tweet, you know when they attach the emoji and the faces to that,

0:39:14Like sometimes people complain about that and they attach an eye roll to the tweet.

0:39:20It's like, why are you so annoyed?

0:39:22Anyway, it's totally fine to use an iPhone at the beach.

0:39:26Like it's...

0:39:27Better because that's a...

0:39:28I'm not so precious about like, oh no, I'm at the beach.

0:39:32I guess I'm back to being a primitive person.

0:39:35I cannot use an iPhone anymore.

0:39:37No, it's okay.

0:39:39Anyway.

0:39:40Back to nature.

0:39:41No fun for you.

0:39:42Back to nature.

0:39:43I'm one with nature.

0:39:44This reminds me of my current campaign to say to people if you want to install the beta, install the beta.

0:39:49I like that.

0:39:51This is my campaign. I can't stand this like,

0:39:54"Oh, don't install it on your phone. Like, just let people do what they want. People can do whatever they want."

0:39:59We should do whatever we want to do.

0:40:01We cannot use certain expressions on this show. But yeah, do whatever you want.

0:40:07It's fine. You want to live dangerously? Go do that.

0:40:12It's funny, someone emailed me wondering why I would have gone like waterfall, cliff jumping

0:40:19type thing with an Apple Watch on.

0:40:20I was like, "because I've been hiking for four hours."

0:40:22Like these things aren't, I mean, they're expensive.

0:40:25I would say these things all apply to everyone except Stephen because he doesn't stop breaking

0:40:29things.

0:40:30Stephen, Stephen's not allowed to do anything.

0:40:33I can't take my phone to the beach.

0:40:34You can't.

0:40:35You can't take your phone anywhere.

0:40:37You gotta bubble wrap it and leave it at home.

0:40:40it in like a shoe box lined with blankets.

0:40:43Yeah, I ordered a battery pack too.

0:40:47I'm a little sad it's just white, but I think it's going to be great for days of travel.

0:40:51You know, small, just use it when you need it.

0:40:53If you need a bigger battery with more power, there's lots of options, but for what this

0:40:58is, I'm really excited.

0:41:00Maybe just all Apple accessories are going to be white again.

0:41:02Oh, I hope not.

0:41:04How's the white keyboard holding up?

0:41:06Don't one of y'all have the white keyboard?

0:41:08What white keyboard?

0:41:09Oh, the magic keyboard! Oh yeah, it's gross. I forgot about that.

0:41:12It's gross. Yeah, yeah it is. I've been cleaning it, but there's like damage has been done

0:41:20to that keyboard. To be fair though, the black one gets gross as well, but just in its own

0:41:26way. Yeah.

0:41:27But the dark one feels like easy to clean. The white one, like if it stains...

0:41:34Yeah, it does. It really does.

0:41:36Okay, hear me out. Hear me out.

0:41:38iPad Pro 2022 Silver Magic Keyboard.

0:41:42It would really look like a laptop at that point.

0:41:45But still material?

0:41:48Like...

0:41:50It wouldn't be metal, right?

0:41:51No, no.

0:41:52It's actual silver.

0:41:53Very heavy.

0:41:55Hear me out.

0:41:59Range of colors.

0:42:00Yes.

0:42:00Even better.

0:42:01I want a blue one or a orange one.

0:42:03I want a red one. Red. Yes. Oh. See, we should be in charge of Design at Apple. I

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0:44:06I just did it.

0:44:06Bye everyone.

0:44:10I'm leaving now.

0:44:11Thanks so much.

0:44:13Now is the end of my, I've spoken about earlier in the episode.

0:44:17I have now reached the maximum amount of words I can speak as a human.

0:44:21I'm done. Peace out.

0:44:23Well, Steven.

0:44:24Beta 3 is here.

0:44:26Yeah.

0:44:28Came out on the 14th, I think a little bit later than people thought it would be here.

0:44:34But it brings some changes.

0:44:35Of course, the first thing everyone looks at is Safari.

0:44:38So Federico, tell me about the changes to Safari 15.

0:44:42Okay, so iOS first.

0:44:45So, the iPhone version of Safari, we talked about it before, it's been criticized a lot.

0:44:51In fact, I was talking about this with Jon, I don't think I've seen a single positive take

0:44:58on the new Safari in all of the first impression stories that came out when the public beta was

0:45:05released. Like, I've read all the articles that came out on that day, I don't think anyone,

0:45:11Literally anyone had a positive thing to say about the new design.

0:45:15So Apple is listening to feedback, thankfully, and they are iterating on this design.

0:45:23In the iPhone version,

0:45:26they're keeping the floating top bar at the bottom of the screen with the reachable controls.

0:45:34But now they got rid of

0:45:37What was one of the key problems of the original design which is when you tapped

0:45:43The floating top bar at the bottom the address bar would shoot all the way to the top of the screen

0:45:50Yeah, this new design

0:45:53And it would hide whatever you were looking at so

0:45:56It would just be like in my case. I use dark mode

0:45:59It would just be that gray and it would like float to the top of the screen

0:46:02It's like where you going buddy stay with me

0:46:05So now what happens is you still have the floating bar at the bottom, but when you tap it, it doesn't go to the top.

0:46:14It stays sort of docked above the keyboard.

0:46:18So I feel like it's easier to keep your eyesight focused on the same area of the screen.

0:46:28So you tap at the bottom and you can continue looking at the bottom,

0:46:32which it's one of the things that we suggested on the show,

0:46:34and Apple did exactly that.

0:46:36- Yeah, it brings it in line with how messages works.

0:46:40- Exactly, yes.

0:46:41So they're keeping the floating bar for now.

0:46:45I feel like they made it a little smaller,

0:46:50not that smaller, just a little.

0:46:52I think, I feel like it's easier now to see

0:46:54that you have like adjacent tabs on the left and on the right.

0:46:59on the left and on the right, because I feel like Apple really wants to sell

0:47:04users on the idea that now it's easier to swipe between tabs as well as to open

0:47:11a new tab by swiping to the left. So they're making that smaller so that you

0:47:16can see more, like you can see the beginning of the other tab on the other

0:47:20side. Now, they also redesigned the, sort of, the what you see when you're typing

0:47:28in in the address bar, so the design of the topics and the Google search

0:47:33suggestions, that has a new design that's got more icons, it's nicer than before.

0:47:39Now, this new design on iPhone does not fix the other problems that we

0:47:44mentioned, such as, you know, you're going from two toolbars in iOS 14 to a single

0:47:53toolbar, you have to cut, you have to hide some controls. And Apple is not changing

0:48:01that for now. Now, I feel like Beta 3 is the first step in Apple sort of walking

0:48:11back some decisions for the new Safari, but the reload button is still not shown

0:48:18by default. Now, if you want to reload the page and you do not want to use pull to

0:48:23refresh, you can long press on the address bar to see a reload button. All those other

0:48:31buttons that were shown at all times before, they are still hidden by default in the iPhone

0:48:37design. Now before I let you cover the Mac version, Steven, the iPad... So, a couple

0:48:44of weeks ago we said, of all the new versions of Safari, the iPad is the best one, because

0:48:52it strikes this balance between the iPhone and Mac versions. Now, I don't know what they

0:48:59did in iPadOS 15 Beta 3, but I feel like the iPad version is now the worst one of the bunch.

0:49:07They made tabs a little wider, but not that much wider, really. But they added all these

0:49:17new animations when you scroll tabs, when you click them, when you open a tab. Now sometimes

0:49:26it opens to the right, sometimes it doesn't. When you open a link from a website in the

0:49:32background, like you select a link and you do opening background, sometimes it opens

0:49:37next to the current tab, other times it doesn't. And there's like all these animations, like

0:49:44these tabs flying around. It's a really bad design. And I feel like this is a temporary

0:49:51thing because I truly believe that Apple will bring the same setting that they brought to

0:49:57Monterey Beta 3 to iPadOS, maybe in Beta 4 already.

0:50:04I have something to say.

0:50:07Oh, you're back!

0:50:07I didn't really want to talk, but I felt like it was probably the time to say something.

0:50:12In an article, a link article to an interview that he was on, John Gruber said that similar

0:50:16changes are coming to the iPad.

0:50:18So on the Mac, they have separated the tab bar and the address bar again, like it is

0:50:25in the current version of Safari, Safari 14.

0:50:29Is that by default?

0:50:30Yes.

0:50:31Okay.

0:50:33You can still turn on or off the effect where the webpage colors the UI of the Safari.

0:50:40So the links on 512 that's on so you can see the relay color, the slate color, filling

0:50:44up the all the browser.

0:50:47But these tabs are really weird.

0:50:49And I sort of agree, I don't think this is final, because they're really ugly on the

0:50:55Mac, especially if you only have one open and it's like spans the whole width of the

0:51:00window.

0:51:01And they look just like the iPad ones, which of course are touchable.

0:51:06And you can't touch things on the Mac.

0:51:09And so I think that we will probably see a more traditional tab design hopefully come

0:51:14to the Mac.

0:51:15But the weirdest thing, and Steven Trout Smith pointed this out on Twitter, and he's

0:51:20totally right, the order top to bottom is address bar, tabs, and then your favorites.

0:51:27And every browser ever has had tabs closest to the content, and you have your bookmarks

0:51:35in between the address bar and the tabs.

0:51:37And so it breaks the illusion that the tabs are connected to the content, even though

0:51:44the content affects the color of the tab and the whole browser.

0:51:47It's just like, things are just in the wrong order.

0:51:50It just feels really rushed.

0:51:51And I expect to see that change in beta 4.

0:51:55But it's better.

0:51:57It's a lot better actually having like a regular address bar again.

0:52:00But there's some other stuff that need to clean up.

0:52:02So what they did on the Mac is, the old design with the separate address bar and tab is the

0:52:11default again, and if you want, there's an optional setting to use the compact version

0:52:20of it, which is the one we did not like.

0:52:23So on the Mac, they reverted the design to the old one, by default.

0:52:27So I feel like this is gonna happen on iPad as well, but I feel like the opposite is gonna

0:52:32happen on iPhone. I get the sense that Apple is really proud of this floating bar at the bottom.

0:52:38So my working theory right now is that they're gonna do this on Mac OS and iPad OS. The old

0:52:46design is gonna be the default one. If you want, you can enable the compact design. On iPhone,

0:52:53the compact design is gonna be the default one. And if you want, I think they're gonna bring back

0:53:00some settings that you can optionally enable. Yeah and even then it's not

0:53:06really the old design it's like the the separation of the address bar and the

0:53:12tabs but the rest of it is still like new and janky. It's better on the Mac it's

0:53:17definitely better and but I just hope they continue working because they're

0:53:21not there yet. And I really don't understand those tabs on Monterey like

0:53:25why do they look like buttons? Why do they look like the address bar? They do!

0:53:31It's yeah again I think this is as why I took screenshots of them too I really

0:53:36feel and hope that this is some sort of intermediate design on the Mac and that

0:53:41there's there's more to do because there's more to do. They brought the

0:53:45permanent share button back. They did. Which is big stuff, important stuff.

0:53:51big change. Important change. Okay, so obviously, you know, redesigns in general, whether you have a

0:54:01website or like you're redesigning your blog, whatever, like redesigning something, you're

0:54:08gonna upset some people, right? Now the thing is, I feel like some things in the computing world

0:54:16were tried multiple times in the past by a lot of really smart people. And eventually we landed

0:54:25on some key concepts that are the, not perfect, but the easiest representation of that idea for

0:54:36most people. Like, look at folders in a file manager. It's not an ideal way to think about

0:54:45documents, but people can navigate around those, right? And Apple tried years ago to do away with

0:54:53the file manager, like in the old days of iOS and iPadOS, and eventually they did a file manager.

0:55:00There are some key ideas in computing that were tried in the past, did not work out,

0:55:07and eventually we landed on like this... some sort of core designs that tend to work for the majority

0:55:19of people. And I feel like in web browsers there's a lot of innovation that can happen,

0:55:24but some key ideas like there's the address bar and there's tabs and those are separate.

0:55:33Like, I feel like that is a really strong metaphor for a lot of people.

0:55:39Because when you think about it, like, it's all so weird, right?

0:55:42Like, what is a website when you think about it?

0:55:46Like, what is the title and the URL?

0:55:49So, like, we landed on this representation of navigating the web, right?

0:55:56That sort of makes sense.

0:55:58You can see a tab, and you can see the URL.

0:56:01and if you change the URL, it changes the tab, and below the tab you see the page.

0:56:06Like, this is a concept that is sort of ingrained in our brains by now.

0:56:11And so you go change that, it just causes a lot of trouble, right?

0:56:15It just causes a lot of issues. It's like, imagine if...

0:56:20I don't know. Imagine if I told you you no longer drink water using a glass.

0:56:26Now you drink water using a balloon.

0:56:29It's like, wait, what, what, why?

0:56:31Like I, I grew up drinking water from a glass.

0:56:35Like, no, this is a much better way.

0:56:38Now we're changing the whole game.

0:56:39It's like, but the glass was easier.

0:56:41Like I'm used to the glass and it's like, nope.

0:56:43Now you fill the balloon and then you drink water from the balloon.

0:56:46It's like, okay, it's kind of not as comfortable as before, but I'll do what

0:56:51you tell me to do.

0:56:51And then people complain about it and you go back to the glass.

0:56:54You can get one-handed functionality with a balloon.

0:56:57We all know this.

0:56:58Sure.

0:56:59It's easy.

0:57:01You know, so I feel like browsers--

0:57:04Pull to refresh.

0:57:06Sure.

0:57:07If you pull the balloon, you will be refreshed.

0:57:09Sure.

0:57:10Look. Sorry.

0:57:11There's a lot of things that you can do

0:57:13that you can innovate around the main UI of a browser.

0:57:18Like you look at Firefox, you look at Edge.

0:57:20I think Edge is doing vertical tabs now, right?

0:57:23and Firefox has them too. But it's an option. It's an option. If you like it, you can use

0:57:28it, right? I feel like we are going to... I sort of applaud Apple for trying to do things

0:57:40a different way, but sometimes you gotta wonder, are you doing it differently because it's...

0:57:48a certain kind of pleasure in attempting a revolutionizing design rather than like the

0:57:58practicality of it, you know? I don't know.

0:58:01Well, we'll find out because the process ain't over yet.

0:58:05Yeah, I think we're gonna see more changes. This is the first step in finding a middle

0:58:13ground that works for everybody. And again, there's a lot of good about the reachable

0:58:22design on iPhone. And I feel like a lot of people, if that, and I think that will remain,

0:58:30right? And a lot of people are going to use that. But there's also a lot of valid arguments

0:58:37in favor of... look, I just want to have controls visible at all times. I don't want to tap

0:58:46into submenus, I don't want a long press to find hidden options, I just want to have buttons

0:58:54in front of me. And I have to wonder if maybe part of the problem is this sort of campaign

0:59:03inside of Apple against buttons being visible at all times.

0:59:10And I don't understand why, like, a button never killed anybody, right?

0:59:18It's I don't know if that's technically true.

0:59:21Well, I mean, you think about no clear, no clear buttons and like launching, you know,

0:59:26rockets sure.

0:59:27But like in, in user interfaces, right?

0:59:32You know, they do have this movement happening with an Apple.

0:59:37The thing I just thought about as you were talking is,

0:59:41we mentioned last week that how weird it is

0:59:44that especially on the iPhone, Safari is the only thing

0:59:46that looks and acts this way, I guess other than messages,

0:59:49which is kind of similar.

0:59:52But everywhere else, the text box is just where

0:59:54the text box is and the keyboard comes up

0:59:56and you type and that's it.

0:59:57If they had really redone iOS to be more bottom centric

1:00:02and not have all this stuff at the top of the screen anymore

1:00:07they would not be walking Safari back the way that they are

1:00:10because the whole OS would have been that way.

1:00:13And I wonder if that was the plan to move iOS

1:00:18in more of this direction over time,

1:00:20what those plans are after they've seen

1:00:23how people respond to this.

1:00:25- Yeah, that's a really good point.

1:00:27And it also reminds me how, I think it's kind of ironic,

1:00:32how one of the sessions at WWDC this year

1:00:37was about discoverable design.

1:00:40One of the many changes in SwiftUI

1:00:45is all these new controls that you have as a developer

1:00:48for making buttons.

1:00:50You can now make text-only buttons.

1:00:52You can make buttons that have a shape.

1:00:54You can choose between different colors.

1:00:56You can mix and match SF symbols and labels, right?

1:01:00I don't know, I guess I'm a big fan of buttons

1:01:03and I don't understand this crusade against them.

1:01:06I don't really think it's that more convenient to say,

1:01:13oh yeah, this functionality is here.

1:01:16You just need to long press on this little thing

1:01:19that does not really tell you you can long press it

1:01:22and you will discover it.

1:01:23So what is good though is that Apple is listening

1:01:27and that the Safari team is listening

1:01:29and they are changing things quickly, right?

1:01:33So we'll see, I think it's gonna be

1:01:37a long beta cycle for Safari.

1:01:40In fact, there's really nothing else in beta 3

1:01:43for other apps, it's pretty much set.

1:01:46Like there's SharePlay and QuickNote and Focus, right?

1:01:50It's only Safari that is changing at this point.

1:01:53And I feel like it's gonna be a long cycle for that.

1:01:55- All hands on deck for Safari, that's why.

1:01:58They're pulling in people from everywhere.

1:02:00If everybody comes mad, we've got a overhaul of Safari.

1:02:03Come on guys.

1:02:03- Yeah, well, it's not just me.

1:02:04- And bringing them all in,

1:02:06like locking down the building.

1:02:08- You know who's mad?

1:02:08You know who's mad?

1:02:09Sylvia is mad.

1:02:10Sylvia is.

1:02:11- Well then, there you go.

1:02:13By addition.

1:02:14- I showed her the new Safari and she was like,

1:02:16"What is this?"

1:02:17I cannot use certain words on the show.

1:02:20But yeah, but she's really mad.

1:02:22She's upset.

1:02:23doesn't like it. She said it's a tragedy. She said it's a disaster. Like if they launched

1:02:30this, it's a disaster. Yeah. So, and she has really good eye, you know. I mean, she's with

1:02:36me.

1:02:37She picked you.

1:02:38Yeah.

1:02:39They got to keep it from staying sad, Farri.

1:02:45What is going on with you today?

1:02:47Is it because of the people outside? You think you're being funny?

1:02:50Yeah, he's trying to be funny for the construction work.

1:02:53Are you winking at the people outside?

1:02:54He's like, "Hey guys, hey guys, come listen to this one."

1:02:57He boots himself, right?

1:02:58Come in, come and gather around while I say this one.

1:03:00He uses the mute button, he's like,

1:03:02"Hey guys, come over here."

1:03:03Come on, I gotta go one, I gotta go one.

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1:04:22Germin lives.

1:04:24What is this?

1:04:25I don't understand why you titled this stuff like this.

1:04:28- Something happened to Mark?

1:04:29- He didn't go away or anything.

1:04:30It's not like, it's not.

1:04:32What is this?

1:04:34- I don't know.

1:04:35It's like half the Google doc today

1:04:37is stuff Germin reported.

1:04:38So let's start with the iPad mini,

1:04:40the patron saint of the connected podcast.

1:04:43- I like that.

1:04:44- Yeah.

1:04:45Germin says the upcoming,

1:04:47The upcoming update, as our show notes say,

1:04:49is the iPad Mini's biggest redesign since it launched.

1:04:52It uses the same design.

1:04:54That design that it has started with the iPad Mini

1:04:58and then moved to the iPad Air the next year,

1:05:00still the same.

1:05:01He says it's gonna go up to 8.4 inches on the display.

1:05:04It's currently 7.9.

1:05:07And that sort of jives with Myke's best friend,

1:05:11Mengqi Kuo's report, saying that it would be between 8.5

1:05:15and nine inches.

1:05:16So I think we're looking about that size.

1:05:19I feel pretty confident that's gonna get a little bigger.

1:05:21- I mean, I'm intrigued about what,

1:05:23you know, that phrase, like the biggest redesign,

1:05:26what is it gonna look like?

1:05:28Like just getting a bigger screen

1:05:30doesn't really feel like a redesign to me.

1:05:32- Yeah, I mean, he says it'll have no home button

1:05:35and slimmer bezel,

1:05:36so maybe it's gonna look like a little iPad Air.

1:05:38- This is gonna be so good.

1:05:40Yes.

1:05:41There's a few things that I really want

1:05:44from sort of in terms of electronics at this point,

1:05:49this is one of them.

1:05:50Like an iPad mini that looks like a mini iPad Pro.

1:05:54Yes, please.

1:05:54Like this is gonna be the perfect reading device for me.

1:05:58There's a whole thing I wanted to talk about actually.

1:06:01It's not a whole thing, it's a small thing,

1:06:02but it's a thing.

1:06:04It's a thing.

1:06:05- What is a thing really when you think about it?

1:06:07- What is it?

1:06:07Right, I know.

1:06:09There's a whole branch of philosophy about this.

1:06:11- So I bought a bunch of water balloons

1:06:12and I've been filling them up

1:06:13And I'm drinking out of them.

1:06:16It's like a whole thing.

1:06:19No, OK, so hear me out.

1:06:23QuikNote is a companion for Safari Reading List.

1:06:30So you save articles in Safari Reading List.

1:06:34When you're reading an article, you

1:06:36use QuikNote to highlight passages from the article

1:06:39that you like.

1:06:41Later, when you're done, you delete the article from Safari Reading List,

1:06:46you archive the Quick Note for the article,

1:06:51you put it in a folder, whatever.

1:06:53If you ever want to revisit the article,

1:06:56you tap one of those special links in Apple Notes,

1:07:01and it takes you back to the article,

1:07:03and it shows you all of the highlights that you saved.

1:07:06I feel like the combos Reading List and Quick Note

1:07:08gonna be perfect for people who like to highlight stuff they read on the web. And I'm imagining

1:07:15like this is gonna be so sweet with an iPad Mini, because QuickNote is iPad only, and the iPad Mini

1:07:21is gonna be great for reading one-handed. And it's also gonna be so good if it gets the redesign,

1:07:27because you can open QuickNote by swiping from the bottom right corner, it's gonna be so good.

1:07:33And this potential combo of... because I've been testing this and it does work as expected,

1:07:39I believe you can also search the text for the highlight in Apple Notes. And it's the...

1:07:47I think at this point the only thing that is sort of luring me away from Obsidian,

1:07:53like this combination of Safari and Quick Note, because it's so easy to do. Like, you just

1:08:00highlight some text in Safari, and you say "New Quick Note". There's a button right there.

1:08:05Or, if the Quick Note already exists, the button says "Add to Quick Note", and it appends the

1:08:13selection to the bottom of the Quick Note. And later, if you reopen an article that has a Quick

1:08:20Note stored in Apple Notes, the thumbnail pops in from the bottom of the screen and reminds you,

1:08:28"Hey, there's a bunch of quick notes for this article right here."

1:08:31So it's like sort of instant recall for highlights and notes that you took while reading.

1:08:38I built an entire system in Obsidian about this using an integration with this web service called

1:08:46Readwise that lets me highlight text in Safari using a shortcut, and then those highlights are

1:08:54pulled in with the plugin in Obsidian and it's fine, it works well, but this

1:08:59version is a lot more visual and a lot more intuitive with Reading List and

1:09:05Quick Note. So maybe I'm gonna be using Apple Notes just for this because it's

1:09:11it's really nice and imagining this with an iPad Mini? Oh man, it's gonna be lovely.

1:09:16But you would be happy with these notes to live in Notes?

1:09:21As long as I can search them. So I actually filed the feedback about this.

1:09:26So hold on, we're doing this live on the show. Let me open the feedback app.

1:09:30While we're doing this I can say I got, someone responded to, well my feedback was responded to.

1:09:36I had a feedback which is about indent/outdent, my favorite thing.

1:09:41Stopped working on iPadOS with keyboards. It just stopped doing it.

1:09:46You would press shift and tab to outdent and it would just indent again.

1:09:53And I raised the feedback and they fixed it.

1:09:55And then they contacted me and said "Hey, we fixed your feedback!"

1:09:59I was like "Oh, thanks, Apple."

1:10:01So I filed feedback.

1:10:04So this is FB9235571.

1:10:11Results from Quick Notes saved from Safari do not come up in Notes search sometimes.

1:10:19Because I ran into this bug where the text from the Safari highlight is actually indexed in Apple Notes,

1:10:28but it only appears as a search result if the note is open on the right side of the screen.

1:10:35Otherwise, the search result sidebar says "0 results".

1:10:39But you can see that it's actually finding the text, because if you have the note open,

1:10:45it highlights the text in yellow.

1:10:47So it's indexing the highlight, but it says "0 results", which is wrong.

1:10:52So please, if you work on the Safari or Notes team, please fix this.

1:10:56Thank you.

1:10:58To be fair, if it's open on the right-hand side, you don't actually need search, because

1:11:01you can just see it.

1:11:02Right?

1:11:03But I was just proving...

1:11:04Solved.

1:11:05I fixed it!

1:11:06point that it was actually indexing the text because you can see the little yellow highlight,

1:11:12meaning that it finds the word I'm looking for. So, if this is fixed and search works,

1:11:19I think I'm gonna be using Apple Notes just for this. I mean, I use Apple Notes for, like,

1:11:24private documents that I can lock with Face ID, but yeah, I guess I could use it for this

1:11:32one. Anyway, I'm sorry, we were talking about the iPad Mini.

1:11:36going to be great. Yes. Maybe later this year. Maybe. Gurman also touched on the

1:11:41bigger iMac which is still underway but not for 2020. Remember in the lead-up to

1:11:47the M1 iMac around that time there was a rumor saying that Apple had put aside

1:11:53the larger iMac to focus on getting the M1 out the door and now they've I guess

1:12:00gone back to the big one but we won't see it this year according to Gurman.

1:12:04It'll be sometime in 2021.

1:12:08He does say it will be bigger than the 27 inch Intel iMac,

1:12:12which makes sense.

1:12:13The little one went from 21 and a half to 24 inches.

1:12:16So maybe this is a 30 inch iMac.

1:12:18I think somewhere around there would be nice.

1:12:20It would still be a little smaller than the Pro Display XDR,

1:12:24but definitely a nice size.

1:12:26And I assume it'll be powered by

1:12:28whatever shows up in the MacBook Pro.

1:12:31So something probably not M1 based,

1:12:34maybe whatever the next generation is

1:12:35and the high end of that generation possibly.

1:12:38- Steven, you said 2020.

1:12:41We did 20, definitely not 2020, neither 2021.

1:12:47I think that was what you meant to say, not 2021.

1:12:49- Okay, look, doing the calendar

1:12:51has really messed up my internal clock.

1:12:55- You know, you need to make sure

1:12:56you're really paying attention to dates.

1:12:59Nobody out of the three of us

1:13:00needs to know dates better than you.

1:13:02I know when everything is in 2022, I don't know what year it is.

1:13:06Well, if you could let me know when this iMac comes out, that'd be great, because that's

1:13:08when I think this is probably a 2022 product, I guess.

1:13:11Yeah, I mean, this iMac is not going to come out last year.

1:13:14It should have, though.

1:13:16Sherman says it won't be this year.

1:13:19I think this is exciting.

1:13:20I think there's going to be more of a gap, though, than I think we would have expected,

1:13:25right, between the 24 and the bigger ones.

1:13:28is making me happier about my decision to get the the yellow iMac that I have in front of me right

1:13:34now. Yeah, I mean the two-year thing they said, I mean, COVID was already going on but it was before

1:13:41the climate we're in now where manufacturing and raw materials are just harder to come by and so

1:13:47I'm sure they wanted this out the door sooner just like the MacBook Pro that I'm sure they

1:13:52wanted at the door sooner but they're doing what they can. Here's something, we don't really have

1:13:57have time for this, I just want to insert this into this conversation and maybe we

1:14:00pick it back up. But you know there's been a lot of stuff about Apple working

1:14:05remotely and a lot of bad takes from people on what they should or shouldn't

1:14:09do about that. And we talked about how like iOS 15 and macOS Monterey are kind

1:14:14of quiet years, like hardware's maybe not moving as fast as Apple would want. I

1:14:19wonder if Apple blames that on people working remotely and that they would

1:14:24that they think they would have more done in iOS 15 had everyone been under one roof.

1:14:30I don't know.

1:14:31I don't know, I feel like iOS 15 is a pretty solid release. I don't know. Like I've seen,

1:14:36I feel like I've seen versions of iOS that have had less in them.

1:14:40Yeah, I just don't know, I just don't know if Apple is looking at some of this stuff

1:14:45and saying "Oh, well if everyone was here we would be..." You know? I don't know. Because

1:14:50Apple has a bad take on work from home.

1:14:52Mark Gerwin also published a report about the iPhone 13 line.

1:14:5712S.

1:14:57Eh.

1:14:59The next iPhone line, expecting a September announcement

1:15:04for all four models to be updated.

1:15:07So this includes the Mini.

1:15:09But you can remember from other reports

1:15:10from many other analysts and people in the know

1:15:13that this is likely to be the last Mini for a while.

1:15:17At least one iPhone will have a variable refresh rate display

1:15:21based on the LTPO technology,

1:15:24which is similar to what's used in the Apple Watch

1:15:26for controlling refresh rate.

1:15:29- Okay, so I wanna ask y'all about this,

1:15:32because I cannot make up my mind which phone it is.

1:15:35If they put it on the Mini,

1:15:37which has kind of mediocre battery life,

1:15:39the battery life could be incredible.

1:15:41But if it's about speeding up the refresh rate

1:15:44and making it faster,

1:15:46then it's gonna end up on the Max,

1:15:48because it's the most expensive one

1:15:50and the one for playing games and stuff.

1:15:53- Oh no, this is going on both the Pro phones.

1:15:56- Both the Pro ones, yeah. - That's what's going.

1:15:58- Not the Mini, not the basic one.

1:16:00- I see why you'd say the Mini,

1:16:01because I think you're thinking of it

1:16:03from the Apple Watch perspective, right?

1:16:06And I get that, right?

1:16:07- Yeah, 'cause this has benefits

1:16:09on both ends of the spectrum.

1:16:10It's a really interesting feature in that way.

1:16:12- However, it's gonna be more expensive,

1:16:14and they're not gonna sell it

1:16:15as this will be good for your battery life,

1:16:17even though they could.

1:16:18I think it's a very good point that you make.

1:16:19- They're gonna sell it as the high refresh rate display

1:16:22thing, that's what it's, this is gonna take it all up to 120.

1:16:24- So this is gonna be the, what do they call it on the iPad?

1:16:29- ProMotion.

1:16:29- ProMotion, this will be this version for this,

1:16:32for the OLED phones, 'cause the iPad of course is not OLED.

1:16:35- What I would love to know and would love to think about

1:16:38is if this could finally bring an always on display

1:16:41to the iPhone.

1:16:42- I've been checking out the Android beta on a Pixel phone,

1:16:47and it has an always on display,

1:16:49so I can just glance at the phone

1:16:51and always know what time it is and what the weather is.

1:16:53It's great.

1:16:54- But maybe you wouldn't be able to use

1:16:56the Always On display because you don't like ProMotion.

1:16:58- That would be sad if I had to turn off

1:17:00the higher refresh rate but I couldn't have the Always On.

1:17:03- Maybe it would.

1:17:04- I would live without it because ProMotion

1:17:06makes my brain vibrate.

1:17:08- It might be better on a phone, you never know.

1:17:10- Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

1:17:11- It'd be worth trying.

1:17:13The notch is gonna get smaller finally.

1:17:15- Okay.

1:17:16upgrades including better video recording, better optical zoom. I assume

1:17:21this means more optical zoom. I don't really know what better optical zoom would be

1:17:25specifically because like technically if better means increased

1:17:30they already did that. Does the non max pro go to like the 2.5 or is it still 2?

1:17:38Just the max goes to the 2.5 I think. Okay so maybe they're gonna increase

1:17:43that on the other phones too. There are some dummy units floating around. MKBHD posted

1:17:50some pictures of them and whatever units MKBHD gets usually tend to be pretty accurate to

1:17:56how the phone's going to look. Like he'll tend to make a video every year where he shows

1:18:00off this stuff but he posted some images on Twitter. The cameras are massive. They're

1:18:06massive. Did you guys see this? Yeah it's a huge camera bump. It's huge! I mean I don't

1:18:13really know what that means. I'm not going to try and really think it means anything

1:18:16because like we said this last time, thinking that like "Oh, huge sensor! It's going to

1:18:20be like a DSLR in my pocket!" and it kind of, it was better. It wasn't like as excitingly

1:18:26better as we thought but that is, these cameras are going to be massive. And Mark Gorman also

1:18:31says that this phone is unlikely to feature Touch ID functionality in any of the models

1:18:36and Apple are still working on an in-screen Touch ID sensor for the future.

1:18:41So this is kind of boring, right? It's kind of a boring update.

1:18:46I think when you listen, well obviously not that this show is boring, but because of what

1:18:52I say, when you listen to me list it out like that maybe it's not so exciting. I think the

1:18:58high refresh variable refresh rate display thing will be a big deal and Apple will make

1:19:03it feel like a big deal and they'll have a bunch of software features to do interesting

1:19:07things and people will be really hyped for that.

1:19:09Maybe.

1:19:10see what it can do I don't know I want a better ultra wide lens I've seen

1:19:16another report I believe that said that but I don't remember if it was 2021 or

1:19:202020 sorry 20 yeah 20 20 long 20 22 but I've seen reports I'm sure of

1:19:25improvements to the ultra wide lenses I don't know I mean cool it doesn't sound

1:19:30so exciting but I mean I'll take it for the better camera I guess Apple analyst

1:19:36Ming Chi Kuo said we can see significant ultra wide lens improvements in

1:19:40the iPhone 13. He expects the ultra-wide lens to get autofocus for the first time. It's

1:19:48fixed focus currently. And I guess there will be some other ultra-wide lens improvements.

1:19:56Maybe the new iPhone will make Safari better.

1:19:59Because clearly the ultra-wide lens on the iPad Pro is better. Right, because that's

1:20:06a good camera. It's better, it seems to be much better than the one that they've got

1:20:09in the iPhone.

1:20:12- But still, that iPad mini.

1:20:14That's the king of the updates this year,

1:20:18the new iPad mini.

1:20:20- It'll all be here before we know it.

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1:20:47You can find Federico on Twitter @viti.cci.

1:20:51He of course is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.

1:20:55We didn't talk about a review update,

1:20:57but I assume you're still working hard on the review.

1:21:00- Yes, I am.

1:21:01- Yeah, haven't given up yet.

1:21:02Nah, I'm not doing it.

1:21:04I changed my mind.

1:21:05- Still doing it.

1:21:06Still doing it.

1:21:07That's good. Congratulations. Thank you.

1:21:09You can find Myke on Twitter as @IMYKE.

1:21:14Myke, where else do you show up this week?

1:21:17I mean, everywhere.

1:21:20I can't be stopped.

1:21:21Go to relay.fm/shows.

1:21:23Maybe you'll find me.

1:21:24Maybe you won't.

1:21:25Maybe I'll show up in places you don't expect.

1:21:27I really enjoyed Cortex this week.

1:21:29Good job.

1:21:30Oh, thank you.

1:21:30I also worked really hard on this week's episode of Upgrade.

1:21:34Oh, it's so good.

1:21:35It took me a week to make it.

1:21:36I'm not kidding. I was working on my episode for a week.

1:21:39If you haven't heard it, I would really appreciate it

1:21:41if you listened to it, 'cause it was so much work.

1:21:45But it came out well.

1:21:48- You can find me on Twitter as ismh

1:21:50and you can find my writing over at 512pixels.net.

1:21:54I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, Instabug,

1:21:56Mack Weldon and Hover.

1:21:58And until next week guys, say goodbye.

1:22:00- Arrivederci.

1:22:01- Cheerio.