The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► oh dear miss the beginning of the story [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► it was really funny [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► you missed it yeah was it was the [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► funniest thing ever and you missed it [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► because your skype isn't updated I'm [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► told from half of the internet I've [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► measured it is exactly half [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► wow that there is a reduce motion option [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► and beta 2 don't use their reduce option [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► invaded hammered already in motion [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► option beta 2 i'm told it works i'm told [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► it works the way john wants it to work [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► so if you follow along i have a little [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► bit of cash i will it didn't you get [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► like one or five dollars one dollar so [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► here that this is my one dollar and now [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► listeners i will take this box of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► envelopes and i will extract that was [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► not nearly as loud as I hoped it would [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► be [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► I will extract one envelope and i will [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► place the staller instead envelope that [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► and I will address it to mr. John [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► siracusa pain and my hindquarters one [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► two three main street somewhere outside [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► boston massachusetts and i will send it [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► along that work because John you are [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► correct in our gentlemen's bet that's [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► where we bet one American dollar you [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► have proved victorious and from [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► everything i am told i have not [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► witnessed this myself so I'm going on [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► faith but I i am told that your reduce [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► motion plus super ridiculous motion [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► messages is a thing so congratulations [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► sir i was gonna say you could wait until [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► it ships because who knows they could [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► put before the update [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► yeah but yeah i'm going to say most [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► likely like if they've got this far [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► even if they don't ship in this update [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► it will be the next one or the one after [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► indeed yeah I'm kind of a try not to let [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► this this newfound power go to my head [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► but I was feel like that I should [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► perhaps exercise the magic the magical [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► phrasing if i can remember the magic [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► words that I said I should try something [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► like talking about how they have an [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► updated the mac pro in a really long [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► time and say this cannot stand and then [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► see what happens but John i'll bet you a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► dollar they don't update the mac [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► products [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► no no I think I don't think it was the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► bedding I think it was the the indignity [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► then and I'm I i said this cannot stand [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► I seem to recall saying something really [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► pops like that you know that funny all [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► kidding aside the funny thing about this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► whole argument was I listened to the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► last hour and fifteen episodes [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► irreconcilable differences where you [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► talked about this and listening to you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► and Merlin talk about it i actually [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► think I was on your side [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► don't know what was so different about [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► the way you described it then in the way [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► described it now or we get when on this [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► show I don't know if I was in a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► punchline Marco is an instigator [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► I think I was instigating more than him [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► on this one although you are correct [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► Marco is in fact an instigator but [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► anyway my defense I I was kind of not [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► arguing against John position of like [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► wanting this wanting this feature really [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► i was i was more kind of exploring and [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► poking me like hey you know why do you [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► think that wants to get it does poking [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► yeah but it was like an inflammatory [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► matter i mean like me I guess I've you [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► almost every one of these little [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► accessibility additions that were added [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► like post ios7 I've you almost all of [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► them as just design failures like if [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► like if the system wasn't so incredibly [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► heavy with unnecessary motion animations [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► this option would need to be there just [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► like it wasn't before iOS 7 nobody was [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► complaining about motion sickness before [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► iOS 7 and then that came out and rather [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► than fix the design you know they they [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► have to add these options just like you [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► know the text was too thin and rather [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► than fix the text they just made full [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► text option button didn't like buttons [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► anymore and rather than make buttons [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like buttons again they just made an [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► option so like it it's these are all [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► kinds of papering over design flaws [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► really or poor design choices so i'm i'm [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► with you in the sense that you know a [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► obviously anybody who who need these for [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► what most people would would consider [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► accessibility reason you know that's [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► kind of a broad definition but you know [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► more power to it's great that we had his [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► options but be I think we shouldn't even [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► need these options because the system [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► should be designed in a way to be more [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► inclusive and usable to begin with and [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► the fact that it keeps going away from [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► that is kind of a design flaw in my [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► opinion but yeah it was funny listening [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► to reconcile differences because i had [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► been [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► flip a couple episodes behind when when [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► you and I were getting into a John and [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► then I caught up and I was listening to [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► on the rectus and I was like well [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► actually that makes a lot more sense and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► i wish i could I should have taken notes [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► or something and tried to pinpoint what [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► about your description made more sense [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► to me then but I remember leaving that [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► thinking well I think I'm on his side [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► that's weird just coming to peer [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► pressure because i had someone on the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► show agree with me see her to people who [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► may be the same way you like the ground [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► is doing and I'm swayed by this court at [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► first that was the yeah yeah [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► Merlin point out this week that was the [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► first episode then I talked about it on [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► ATP is just because of the release [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► schedules are different soon i think i [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► was also less worked up with a but in [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► general on our show when you to both not [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► only disagree with me but seemed to [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► think it was what i was saying was [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► ridiculous i couldn't believe that you [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► didn't see how this was like just an [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► incredible gap like this but this cannot [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► stand I said it and I'll say it again [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► like it just it just seemed like I think [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that's why I was willing to do the one [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► dollar bet I mean you know me i'm not a [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► big like gambler right but you seem like [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► you really you know I first one was not [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► a big deal but it's just like they just [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► they just have to change they just have [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► to like it's not just like well maybe [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► it's those we just seemed like it had to [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► be done and they're doing it so good and [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► i wish i had the beta now but not to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► actually install the beta so hopefully [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the point release will be out soon and [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► i've been using my phone with reduce [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► motion still off every time I want to [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► send effect i go to settings turn it [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► back on sunday affect her off [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► Wow right so John tell me about com [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► people're this is one more data point in [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► the ongoing discussion of the iphone 7 [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► pluses fake background blur thing that [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► it does last show we talked about the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► confirmation that it was not taking like [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► a fuzzy picture from one camera and [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► combining with another one but was [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► instead of taking the background finding [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► it and learning with a particular [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► algorithm and [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► about that that didn't quite look like [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the same way an optical blurring looks [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► almost will be able to tell and blah [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► blah [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► anyway I'm kind of people running with a [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► blog post exploring the various ways you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► can blur things to try to make them look [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► like an out-of-focus picture from a lens [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► so we'll link to that blog postings [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► that's a stupid passes last name [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► measurements [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► yeah I think so he's a filmmaker and [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► photographer so he's know some stuff [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► about this and we had someone named Ben [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► Gunn's burger right into say that he has [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► worked on tools that do this for [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► computer animation like that make the [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► birth blur the background that wasn't [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► actually blurring the camera but they [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► want to make it look like it was and he [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► says that to do it properly is very CPU [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► intensive that they have situations [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► would take multiple minutes per frame to [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► calculate the blur so obviously that's a [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► non-starter if it takes multiple minutes [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► on what I assume is pretty beefy [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► hardware in the visual effects world to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► do the blur the quorum court right way [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► if Apple's gotta do it and they do a [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► real-time right country like a preview [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► of the blur [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► yeah yeah Cameron think so anyway [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► multiple minutes per frame is not going [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► to happen there so Apple maybe currently [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► constrained not only by the fact that [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► they're faking it for the fact they have [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► to fake it and and do it in real time in [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the the the a-10 is fast but it's not [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► fast enough to take an operation that [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► takes multiple minutes [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► nevermind it's also multiple minutes on [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► the well I don't know what the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► resolution is but how many megapixels is [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► the 12 27 camera 8 12 12 [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► yeah that is that higher res than like [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► 4k film probably harder than 2k right [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► it's higher than porque no yeah 4k is [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► just over 8 megapixels anyway i hope [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► what is that doing it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► faking it the right way is is expensive [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► so that would explain a little bit of [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► the crappiness also has some more funny [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► pictures of the blur messing up were [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► posted various places wasn't it [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► somewhere in the slack we saw a picture [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► of a person shot from like the knees up [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► standing in front of something with his [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► arms that aside and the background was [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► blurred but the gap between his arms and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► his body the cameras didn't find it so [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► that the background was pin-sharp and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► you look between his arms and his body [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► but the whole rest of the background [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► blur looks really weird that was Stephen [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► hack it wasn't it it was his brother and [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► yeah imagine your arms [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► write your side but there's a gap [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► between your arms and your body and in a [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► glance especially not like blown up [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► full-size I didn't notice the thing [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► wrong with it but then as I looked [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► closer and I think because somebody [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► pointed out it turns out that like John [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► said the area between his brother's arm [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► and his torso was super sharp whereas [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► all the area around his brother was [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► blurred like you would have expected so [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► it was kind of funny to see and I mean [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► this is to be expected in to be fair [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► it'sit's portrait mode not entire body [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► mode and so you know it's not really [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► being used as designed but it was still [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► a funny thing to see in a great example [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► of where it kind of falls on its face [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► today anyway [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► alright moving on let's talk about the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► ceramic iphone eat there's been a though [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that maybe not in the last week or two [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► but right when the apple watch edition [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► came out there was a lot of talk of well [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► if this works for a watch [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► why wouldn't this work for a phone and I [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► think there's a lot of different [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► conversations about this and a lot of [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► different ways this can go and I think I [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► for one am very concerned about drop [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► ability not to say these phones are [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► terrible droppable as it is but you know [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► it would a ceramic case like shatter how [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► would that work so so where do we see [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► this going for a potential ceramic [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► iphone eat well I mean it depends like [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► you know it's like some of the possible [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► reasons why they would do this [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► well there was this one big corp post [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that I think kind of got this started [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► from from somebody who knows what [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► material sciences much more than we do [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► so forgive me for the details here [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► I mean ceramic it has a lot of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► advantages / aluminum one of them is [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that it's radio transparent so that gets [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► rid of a lot of antenna problems [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► it's also it's incredibly you know the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► kind of ceramics that you use in a phone [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► we it can be incredibly scratch [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► resistant and fairly strong you can [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► shatter it it's kinda like sapphire like [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► you can shatter with very strong impact [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► but it takes a pretty pretty strong [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► impact to do that [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► anything less than that is basically [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► invulnerable to ceramic could be very [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► very tough and you know that you can [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► mold in different shades and you know it [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► means there's lots of like manufacturing [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► detail [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► of how you would do it and apple has [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► some interesting patterns in that area [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► but that they appear not have really [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► used for anything yet they probably [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► could do it i don't think any of us know [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► enough about manufacturing to know any [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► details beyond that of like that they [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► could do it for durability that lately [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► we also heard a rumor recently that they [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► are that they're going back to the steel [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► band around the outside design like what [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► we had with the 4 and 4s it you know [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► they have glass on both sides glass has [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► many of the same properties of ceramic [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► as you know you can make it radio [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► transparent and you can make glossy and [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► you can make a pretty scratch-resistant [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► obviously there's some durability [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► questions there but I don't I mean I [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► think Apple solution right now to phone [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► durability to the impacts two drops and [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► everything and their solution right now [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► is cases and applecare like that's [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that's basically it's like trying to [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► drop your phone if you're the kind of [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► person dropped your phone frequently get [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► a really strong case for it and if you [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► break it [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► hopefully you bought apple care because [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► we're gonna make that easy for you so [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► I'm honestly not sure that they really [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► need to do that much more work in the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► durability department if it's going to [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know make the phone hard [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► manufacturer or less desirable or ugly [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► or like you know gross and plasticky [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► like I don't know and do you think like [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► cases and applecare are enough it's a [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► hack [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► I think they do need to work on [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► durability is just like like you said [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► they are not willing to make the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► compromises that would require I mean [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► they can make the phone incredibly [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► durable they just made the whole [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► freaking thing out of plastic but [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► plastic feels gross as a screen like we [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► all want to move our hands across the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► glass screen because it feels better and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► so they keep trying to make the glass [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► tougher but there's only so much they [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► can do and they spent a long time moving [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► away from glass like they did before in [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► the forest there like we're taking a [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► break from that for a while because the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► four in the forest had two sides that [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► could break the screen to break in the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► front and the back you know and two [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► particles chatter at least one that was [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► all the loom designs the 5256 success in [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► the seven that's a lot of phones the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► front could shatter backs never [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► shattered bend a little sometimes didn't [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► shatter scratch didn't shatter right so [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► the rumor for the next iphone is going [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► to be all glass as you said i have they [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► worked on the shattering thing did they [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► have stronger or more shadow resistant [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► glass i'm not sure what one of the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► property of glass that's potentially [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► problematic [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► is that it's not a particularly good [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► conductor of heat compared to say [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► aluminum and so if you've got a hot [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► little system-on-a-chip in there you [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► have to get the heat out somewhere maybe [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► it'll be radiating out of the the steel [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► bands or something I don't know but it's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► tougher to go through glass that is an [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► aluminum back the ceramics were talking [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► about for the iphones as is difficult to [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► talk about this and you can read that [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► corner post that we can find a link for [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► what do you mean by ceramics around [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► because not just one thing especially [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► with all the apples patents with like [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► well ceramic mix with a bunch of other [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► stuff with like fibers between it or [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► reinforcing materials or polymers or [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► laminates or other things to try to make [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► it not be quite so much like ceramic [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► ceramic has I think that the main [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► problems running has that it is heavy if [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you make it thick enough to be sturdy if [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► you make it light then it's thin and it [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► has like glass catastrophic failure mode [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► really good right up to the point where [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► it totally goes kablooey [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► anyway we see the watch we see that that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► they've done the watching ceramic the [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► watches and you an easier situation [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► because people aren't dropping their [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► watches for the most part but they are [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► buying them into things but it's smaller [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► and it's able to be more sturdy because [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► it doesn't have any long continuous flat [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► areas like the back of the phone anyway [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► I think a ceramic iphone is totally [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► plausible that as a thing that apple [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► will experiment with I don't know if [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► they're gonna get to the point where [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► where they can ship something that there [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► are so many materials remember we heard [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► all the rumors about carbon fiber for so [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► many years both about Max and about iOS [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► devices so yeah have because another [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► situation where all that carbon fiber is [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► you know even better than plastic very [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► light very strong has its failure modes [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► are probably not as good as aluminum but [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► not as bad as ceramic or glass but i [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► think a lot of these decisions come down [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► to how much does it cost to manufacture [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► this can we manufacture consistently and [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► how ugly is it right because again i [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► think like what's stopping apple for [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► making the back of all their phones [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► plastic I like it's like it's it's not [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► gonna say stubbornness but it's it's a [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► desire not to ship a product that has [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► plastic on the back because it's seen as [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and feels that the beat you know it [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► because it is so much plastic back phone [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► radio transparent [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► maybe not good free conduction alright [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► very light very sturdy really good [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► failure modes right maybe a little bit [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► scratchy but like it talk to someone who [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► has a 5 see if it holds up pretty well [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► it's just not as sort of premium [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► experience as glass or aluminum or [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► ceramic would be and so I think they [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► just keep looking for new materials [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► looking for different here is the same [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► reason you got glass in the front [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► plastic on the front sure be so started [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► can you imagine a complete a plastic [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► screen iphone with plastic on the back [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► and lightweight sturdy drop it no [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► problem but it would not feel like an [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► iphone so that's there that's their [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► struggle so I'm gonna look out for [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► surround but i'm pretty sure the next [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► ones that I'm i buy all the classrooms [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► just because the 4 and 4s design was the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► one that wanted to make at least one [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► that that enough Johnny specifically but [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► it was one of the early designs for like [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► that's what the first iphone was [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► supposed to be and I couldn't pull it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► off and it took them a really long time [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► till they could pull it off today did [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► pull it off everyone drop the front and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► shattered front and back and said our [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► item is an upper state break from that [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► take another run at it in how many years [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► was it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► I counted off before 556 success 75 [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► years they waited and so now after five [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► years of non glass ones are going to try [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► it again and I'm ready to see how much [TS]

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00:18:32 ◼   ► show one more thing on the ceramic ax [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► phone before we start talking about [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► cases internet was so helpful person in [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► the chat room has posted a link to the [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► little booklet that comes if you buy the [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► ceramic apple watch edition that talks [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► about their process [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► I'm I'm not following all of it is I'm [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► trying to read it here on the air but it [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► seems like it describes a process [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► whereby they take a ceramic thing and [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► bake it and then machine it after its [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► baked to make it into the watch case [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► thing I don't know we'll put a link in [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► the shadows people can read it and see [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► for themselves but there is a reference [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► to baking it and how much it shrinks [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► during baking and then the reference to [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► machining and polishing and so anyway [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► this watch for all the people who are [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► true believers in the future surround [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► the iphone rumor this watch looks to all [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the world like the original macbook air [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► which was the trial run of the unibody [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► construction that would eventually go [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► across the entire product line so if [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► this watch thing works out and they [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► master this process by selling a small [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► number of these very expensive watches [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► to people then maybe we'll be four [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► follow up phone after the all-glass one [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► but you know if this is their trial run [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it's too late for this to be the [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► manufacturing technique tapped for next [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► year's iphone which already has to be [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► much farther along well and also liked [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► it manufacturing a this one fairly high [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► end fairly you know small market Apple [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► watch model Adams material is incredibly [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► different for making the back of every [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► iphone with it like this the difference [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► in scale there's immense like I don't [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► even think this is a good enough tests [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► have to make all the Apple watches have [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► ceramic to have it be even close to the [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► right kind of test but obviously not [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► gonna do that yet so we'll say you know [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► also building off of this i saw a video [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that was linked to buy a friend sharon [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► jones that is entitled the iphone 7 i've [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► been waiting for in the whole video is [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► two-and-a-half minutes and if you want [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► to see it in its full glory just pause [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► us for two-and-a-half minutes and go [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► watch you don't need audio on the on the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► video there for listening to me now [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► presumably that's not a problem [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► so what happens is this is this person [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► takes an iphone 7 and like saws off all [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► the sides of it such that they're all [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► flat instead of a dance and down [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► whatever I want this I want this a lot [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► because this matte black iphone 7 that i [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► have i love it i really really do the [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► more you use it the more i like it and i [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► think aesthetically it's my favorite [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► iphone yet but this thing is adorned bar [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► soap and i would love I mean obviously [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► I've never handled this particular [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► gentleman's phone but it stands to [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► reason it would be much easier to grip [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► with the flat sides i would love to have [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► an iphone like this but in black now not [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► silver [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► so yeah I i want this please can I have [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► I think you only want because you [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► haven't seen it up close yeah it if you [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► notice the video was kind of quick to [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► show the phone once it was all done in [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► this dream s gotta be a mess because [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► this is not a precision operation it's [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► got to look like a phone that has been [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► just messed up [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► yeah I didn't it didn't look good if you [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► try to look closely at the shape look [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► good but the finish did not right that's [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the thing like if this was officially [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► done i think would be pretty impressive [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► so [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► oh yeah I think that would be neat [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► alright so i talked to my phone many [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► past episodes and my wife's going on a [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► cruise the Mediterranean cruise and she [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► was gonna bring the fancy camera and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► lenses and talk about that anyway she [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► went she's back she brought the camera [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► back in one piece did not drop it into [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► the ocean took a bunch of pictures with [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► it and when I was going through her [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► pictures getting them sorted into the [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► photos library after return i noticed a [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► bunch of them and she noticed too she [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► said just wait there's something [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► something in a bunch of the pictures [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► you'll see it soon a dark line that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► appears in a bunch of pictures and the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► line kind of look semi circular some [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► like is that like a shadow of a lens or [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► something but then I noticed some other [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► ones the line is not perfectly curved [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► like a circle sometimes it changes the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► angle and I'm like well okay lens [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► aberration wouldn't do that because the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► lenses are all around or you know [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► spiritual they're not that oddly shaped [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► like I men sometimes the curve in the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► opposite direction and it would move [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► around and so i posted on Twitter can [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► anyone tell me what's causing the [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► vertical curve shadow lines in these [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► pictures and posted a bunch of sample [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► pictures and then everyone commented [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► about where the pictures are from and [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► whether they've been there or not but in [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► addition to that bunch of people did [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► have guesses as to what it might be my [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► guess was that it was maybe something on [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► the lens because it was in so many [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► pictures so many different environments [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► I didn't think it was what it looks like [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► which is a hair in front of the lens or [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► something because you know you get your [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► hair is under control wouldn't [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► constantly in front lens the lens zoom [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► lens so it's pretty far away I inspected [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► the lenses and there's nothing on them [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► I knew there was stuff on my sensor I [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► could see there like that you can see [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the same pictures some dots and I could [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► see on the sense that there was some [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► dust they need to get rid of but I'm [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► like what the hell is this line and a [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► lot of people have theories and one [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► theory was exactly correct this is the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► magic of a crowdsourcing the magic of [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Twitter this theory was it is a hair the [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► hair is not on the sensor there's not [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the lens there is not in between [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► elements in lens would rather the hair [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► is caught in the channel that the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► shutter curtain moves in and when the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► shutter curtain comes down it snags or [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► otherwise grabs the hair and the channel [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and briefly flicks it in front of the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► sensor as it moves up and down and it [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► appears and only appears within pictures [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► with a very small aperture because with [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► wide aperture lights coming in for too [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► many angles and it just eliminates all [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► behind you don't see it so you see it in [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► pictures of the sky or another you know [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► thing with lots of light where the [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► aperture has to squeeze down really [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► small and then most of the incident [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► light rays are traveling in the same [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► direction then you get a shadow this one [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► little hair and the way I found it after [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► having series looked in the channel and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► way down in the corner of the channel [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► just kind of peeking out like an angle [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► like cutting off the corner of like the [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► educators the challengers the bottom was [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► little tiny hair and so when they're [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► SuperDuper carefully with a pair of [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► tweezers and all the dad knows about [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► like a centimeter and a half long very [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► fond of non-human doesn't look like a [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► human look like a hair from like a [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► rabbit or a squirrel or something really [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► small and I got that out of there so I [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► was like thank God because some of the [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► other theories like oh there's something [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► wrong with your shutter and it's [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► dragging something on the thing or [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► whatever my or you just have to bring a [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► camera back i was so happy to be able to [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► actually extract a hairline yes this is [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► the thing and then you know of course i [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► had to go through the rest of the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► processing over the desk so I brought [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► one of those sensor cleaning kits and [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the way you do this is you take a [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► picture of a blue sky and intentionally [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► crank the aperture down to a very tiny [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► opening oh are you just put an auto if [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► the sky is bright enough and you take a [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► picture of what you think it's blank [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► blue sky and then you bring it back into [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► your favorite photo application you [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► filled with the contrast and see if you [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► can see anything looks like a dot and if [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you do see something like that they're [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► still dust on it and so I use the sensor [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► cleaning kit which is a little scary you [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► know like the people you can damage [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► essentially be super careful but like I [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► bought a thing specifically for that [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► purpose they like square on a stick kind [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► of thing now yeah there's like [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► disposable single you swabs yep yep [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► specifically size for the sensors you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► just just one swipe only and then you [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► throw them in the garbage is incredibly [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► wasteful but whatever [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► yep and have used two of them one with a [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► little spritz of the stuff on and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► without the spirits of the stuff anyway [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► and a little blower to get most i hope [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► to just use the bloggers I don't touch [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► get all your little talk it already got [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► all this stuff yeah but the blower [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► didn't dislodge a couple of stubborn [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► things so i use the thing took a bunch [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► of pictures the sky now my sensors clean [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► which always maybe think that camera [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► manufacturers could really really help [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► with this problem but just putting [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► something I mean I like I've never had a [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► DSLR but i assume that the mirror [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► doesn't actually seal up and i know it [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► covers the sensor but doesn't actually [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► like cover doesn't keep dust out right [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► now alright so they they should and be [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► mirrorless cameras should have a little [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► door kind of like the shutter but not [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the shutter that closes before you can [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► take the lens off like why not do that [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► you know I mean you stop to think the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► sensor sometimes you still have to have [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► a mechanism like you do wanna said SLR [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► to flip the lines up so you can clean [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► the sensor right but why expose it to [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► the air at all when you're changing [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► lenses just put it on maybe there's [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► enough room for a door whatever not the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► shutter the shoulder is the shutter fine [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► I'm just has to be high speed and fancy [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► and so is over there's a plain old [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► boring reasonably sealed door that [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► closes and covers the sensor when you [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► change lenses that would be a good idea [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► camera manufacturers anyway [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► moral of the story is i did not [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► correctly convey to my wife exactly how [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► careful you have to be when changing [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► lanes is not that she even changed on [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► she just changed it once and the all [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► takes once for a little just like every [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► time I did it on my long island vacation [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► was like the lens can only be off the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► camera for shortest possible time I'd [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► have liked staged and setup and you [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► never be have it upwards and just like [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► lens off the cap on lens capital units [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► like it was like trying to defuse a bomb [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► and again never do it in a still [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► environment with still air never point [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► the lens or the camera like just it's [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► you know it's it's nerve-racking and you [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► know she spent a lot of time in her [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► vacation with this hair traveling up and [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► down the channel on the shutter we're [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► just kind of disappointing it's I mean [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► it's it didn't ruin all her pictures but [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► enough of them have a big dark line [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► that's kinda disappointing [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► luckily almost everything indoors [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► doesn't have this problem because the [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► the apertures too big [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► that stinks i'm sorry to hear that but [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► we're problem and you know I don't have [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► the person's name hand [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► but and god only knows this is true or [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► not but I'm taking them at face value [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► somebody told me that are the micro [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► four-thirds cameras which is what i have [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► they all have optical image [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► stabilization or a lot of them if not [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► all of them on the body rather than the [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► lens and they were saying that this [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► person was saying that when you turn the [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► camera on it will actually use the OIS [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► to like shake off any dust that might be [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► on the lens i have no idea if that's [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► true or not what a cool idea even if it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► isn't true [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► it's a pretty common feature it is it [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► doesn't actually work perfectly but it [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► like are exactly like what like are the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► 5d mark two is that we had didn't have [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► stabilization but just had some kind of [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► like sensor like vibrator thing that [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► would like try to buzz off the dust [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► every time you turn the camera off and [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► and so to have that just constantly [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► going like every time a camera turns off [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► we did occasionally have to blow [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► something up the sensor with the five [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► days but very rarely that I think in the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► like eight years we use them i think [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► maybe three or four times total whereas [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► with with my sony when I gotta last year [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► literally the first week I had it I got [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► dust of the sensor and similar similar [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► story just not less severe like we were [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► it was last year with the beach house [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► lots of my pictures had this one big [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► spot and eventually took the land office [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► and spotted on the land on the sensor I [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► was on vacation so I couldn't really i [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► didn't have any of the cleaning so I [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► just kinda tolerated it just ended it [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► out is it wasn't too bad to edit out of [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► everything but but yeah that was the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► camera was like a week old habit [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► immediately and and yeah these you don't [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► realize how good those like [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► automatically vibrate the the center of [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► things are until you have a camera that [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► doesn't do it or doesn't have it but the [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► sonys it it has that feature but just [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► that it doesn't do it every time it does [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it only on demand and it only partially [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► works but now i think that that feature [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► could help a little bit but in my case [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► first holding on the hair [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► there's not even on the sensors you like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► a sensor all you want it's not going to [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► help that would have been there and for [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► the dust the pieces that I had to [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► eventually use the mechanical method of [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► actually swapping them off the blower [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► the little you know hurricane blower you [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► know shoot various concentrating that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► couldn't even remove them like they were [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► on their good wasn't just like instant [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► dust that happened to float on there [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► they were so wedged on there that [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► very force of old very concentrated [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► stream there cannot dislodge them [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► actually had to swipe them away so I [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► have a little faith in a sensor shake [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► would have taken them off to ya but [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► again a door with some kind of [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► reasonable ceiling [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► who better than nothing would go a long [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► way towards making me a changing lenses [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► less nerve-racking [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► now i do the same way you do and I'm [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► sure marcos the same as well where [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► everything stage ready to go the cameras [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► always upside down [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► I'm not as intent on it being still air [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► but you know we do we can and the whole [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► thought of this happening to me is [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► terrifying so I'm very impressed you [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► were able to get this done without [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► destroying lens or the the sensor which [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► is what I surely somehow would have done [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► knowing the ad poured water on it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► somehow i don't know how you could like [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► people say oh it's so Delta you have to [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► be careful like it looks pretty sturdy [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► down there I mean you're swapping it [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► when I swab the cross it felt like a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► smooth surface but the swab it's not [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► like it has little snake like I don't [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► understand how you go about breaking and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► I suppose you could scratch it in some [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► way but only thing I'm touching it with [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► these microfiber swabi things that I [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► assume are safe and yeah I hope you [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► don't have to do that again but like [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► taking pictures an empty blue sky and [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► checking for any little splotches on it [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► you'll see them like you don't have to [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► be an expert to be especially if you [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► start feeling with the contrast control [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► you will find the spots that are there [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► because I swapped it and I can see where [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the spot used to be was still a little [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► you know i had actually remove the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► material I couldn't see with my eyeballs [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► anymore but on the sensor gets a little [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► spot and that's why I had to use like [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► the cleaning stuff and then that got rid [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of it for good now just messing with the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► controls trying to find any little speck [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and I was like oh that's jpeg [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► compression nevermind to Rose I guess [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► anyway i'm pretty sure i didn't destroy [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► my camera still seems to work no more [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► hair no more spots right so i have a [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► brief tale of woe and a plea for help on [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► my work computer [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► I typically use a pair of headphones [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones i bought literally [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► five years ago [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► i bought it and they're perfect in every [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► way as we've always heard yeah about [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that so i bought them on august 15 2011 [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and their Arctic sound p 3 11 service [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► have espoused the numerous times because [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► while they are not perfect they [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► accomplish everything satisfactorily [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► inside of that satisfactory way so they [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► are sufficient you know is how much [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► horsepower does it does the rolls-royce [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► have sufficient amount of horsepower i [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► upgraded to sierra on-line on my work [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► Mac and suddenly they are not sufficient [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► anymore for whatever reason and i don't [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► know why they sound like a hugely hugely [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► hugely compressed and I ran into this [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► once years ago and it ended up that [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► there was like a bit value or something [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► like that you could change in the [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► bluetooth Explorer app which you have to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► get via xcode tools now and that fix my [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► problem like years ago i've noticed that [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► when this first happened the symbols [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► were terrible and super compressed and [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► it was just awful and i was able to fix [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► try doing the same thing this time and [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► did make a difference so I unpair repair [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► I've done all sorts of things I haven't [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► tried again after having cleared my peer [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► am just for grins and giggles I've done [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► everything except that and I thought [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► well maybe just something weird is going [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► on there [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► their ancient headphones at this point I [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► let me just get a new set so i got the [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► equivalent set that's newer and so are [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► they came in today and they are also [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► Arctic sound but these are p 2 53 and we [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► will have links to these and show notes [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and I a good news bad news good news is [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► they sound great [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► well as great as a thirty-dollar set up [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones can sound but every [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► time there's any audio playing of any [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► sort the right channel has a buzzing in [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► them which in the span of about 45 [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► seconds drove me absolutely crazy [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► it took that long yeah how did this [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► review possibly start out any positive [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► so I'm returning these headphones [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► because it did you know like hand on [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► heart i did not know this for some if [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► not all things you can return it [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► amazon for free yeah but usually you get [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► to meet her and shipping and the other [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► leaders like six bucks from your from [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► your return or something I was that what [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► it does okay because it according to [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► them they were like your shipping label [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and I didn't come across compare how [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► much the cost of the item was versus how [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► much they were saying they're going to [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► refund me so maybe that's what it is but [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► anyway so it's it's super awesome day if [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► you ever returning amazon they make it [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► incredibly easy on you [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► yep so i am going to return them but [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► here's my predicament i want for better [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► or worse bluetooth headphones i [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► understand that not everyone wants them [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► i do i prefer bluetooth headphones and I [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► think the reason i prefer them is [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► because convenience is a bigger priority [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► to me than perfect sound fidelity well [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► then in that case just wait for the air [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► pods well so here's the thing i agree [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► that that's probably going to be the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► best answer but they supposedly only run [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► for five hours before they need a charge [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► and I know that it will charged quickly [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► but I typically sit at my desk meetings [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► aside 488 behalf hours a day [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► these ancient headphones with their [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► five-year-old battery that I love so but [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► used to go like two two-and-a-half days [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► between charges easily and with meetings [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► during the day and whatnot so it's not [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► exactly an apples-to-apples comparison [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► but you get my point [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► I think the answer is going to be [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► getting pods but is there any and this [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► is kind of rhetorical kind of not [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► especially for You Marco is there any [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► set of bluetooth headphones that whether [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► or not they are perfect audio fidelity [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► because again i don't care for Marco's [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► purposes let's just assume i never [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► listen to music on them which is a [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► complete nutter life but let's just look [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► for your purposes if you are satisfied [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► with podcast fidelity that will probably [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► be sufficient for my music fidelity for [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► this use case [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► are there any headphones bluetooth [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► headphones that have batteries that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► lasts about 10 hours let's say that [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► don't suck and here's the kicker though [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that have a bar that goes behind the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► back of your neck rather than over your [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► head why ladies and gentlemen because i [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► am weird in my hair kind of sticks up a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► little bit and [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► oops and if i put a bar across the top [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► of my head 48 hours it all [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► it'll have like that imprint in my head [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► always which is not advisable [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► so all my ladies and gentlemen you could [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► have just said manatee yes actually that [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► was that was an easy why you don't want [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► to mess up your hair [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that's why right that is absolutely hand [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► on heart that no argument absolutely [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► absolutely true there are some [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► advantages to both of us anyway [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► yeah haha so I i'm making fun of myself [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► but I really honestly am asking and [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► maybe we don't answer during the show [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► but I don't have anything against your [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► buds but i'd rather have an over here or [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► like the ones that I had kind of dangled [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► on your ear which I understand makes [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► most people crazy but for me I like it [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► works for me [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► so is it will put the links to the ones [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► I'm talking about in the show notes is [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► there any set of bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► that's even vaguely like this that is [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► not a total piece of garbage that I [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► would not have to charge in the middle [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► of the day if I have to charge him every [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► fine no big deal but I don't have to [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► charge the middle of the day I think [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► Marco you're absolutely right what's [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► gonna end up happening is I'm gonna [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► spend way more money than I want to and [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna get the earpods and i'll [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► probably love them and it will probably [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► be fine and I'll put them in the little [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► Tic Tac case during meetings i'll never [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► know the difference [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► I suspect that's going to be the winner [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► but is there any other option [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► preferably not buds but buds I would [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► maybe entertain is there anything else [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► you can think of that it doesn't go over [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► the head so I i'm going to fill you with [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► hope but ultimately provide no value [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► whatsoever haha so it [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► the problem is this is honestly i've [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► i've been considering just stopping [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► reviewing headphones because i know [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► because i want you to review the [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones now the bluetooth [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► is in vogue ish kind of here's the thing [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► so basically like you know right now [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► everyone keeps asking me you know what [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► they should get a bluetooth and [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► everything and it with bluetooth there [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► are so I mean the hip market has grown a [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► lot in the last couple years since i [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► since i started my big review his like [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► there's so many models now and people [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► have so many different needs and the [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► fact is like it takes a lot of time and [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► a lot of money [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► to buy or somehow acquire all these [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► headphones and test them properly a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► useful way that's why like when the wire [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► cutter does that they have like a whole [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► team of people doing it takes a long [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► time and that's what they're there [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► full-time job is to work on stuff like [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► this and also the headphone market has [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► gotten had basically like well as beats [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► came around a few years ago it a lot of [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► people took notice of here's a place we [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► can make a lot of money so now there are [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► tons of headphone brands and tons of [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► like allegedly awesome new headphones [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► coming out on the market all the time [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► and many of them are very expensive many [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► of them are like you know four hundred [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► dollars and up basically which is you [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► know for for an audio file that's kind [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► of normal but for regular person is a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► very expensive pair of headphones so [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► there are so many now that almost nobody [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► including the wire cutter actually [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► reviews a meaningful number of them to [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► be able to give you a a useful blanket [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► recommendation like if you read the wire [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► cutter they always go through and one of [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► the things that they'll spend a few [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► paragraphs doing is saying like here's [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► the ones we tested and here's a whole [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► bunch we didn't even test because you [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► know the reviews it look at an Amazon or [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► what you know whatever other reasons [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► they have because you you basically have [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► to rule out large swathes of what's out [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► there just to have her a possible number [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► to review and with bluetooth everything [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► is is even worse now because now there's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► like even more factors that matter that [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► before you have to worry about as much [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► things like latency you know the the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► weather you compared to multiple devices [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► or not whether whether it has decent [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► reception the phone whether it supports [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► different codecs that are now out there [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► and then like the useful things like how [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► you how you control with others buttons [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► on it or some kind of touch gesture [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► controls to control like pausing and [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► volume and stuff it is so complicated [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► now there are so many models from thirty [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► dollars to a thousand dollars [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► yep no reviewer can meaningfully try [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► good numbers here going to happen now [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► right now as I speak as people as they [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► are writing you emails telling you what [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► they bought and say these are the best [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► but all they can tell you is that's what [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► they bought because they probably have [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► tried between 0 and five other players [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► out of a market with hundreds [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► centuries there's really nothing that [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► most people can tell you that will be [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► very helpful even on amazon have the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► reviews on Amazon these days are fake [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► they paid their their fraud like it's so [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► hard to find good information with the [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► kind of stuff so basically how do you [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► find the ones you have now was it just [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► you know browse online a bit look at [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► some reviews and just buy them yeah [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► pretty much [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► that's what you're gonna have to do [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► again like that's that when you're [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► buying headphones that's basically and [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► not to mention even if you find you find [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► a place that reviewed about your [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► headphones in a way that was useful to [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► you people have such widely different [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► tastes in headphones people have very [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► different preferences like the whole [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► list that i made disagreed substantially [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a lot of times with the wire cutter and [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► places like that there are there are a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► few big head reviews out there in the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► world that I disagree strongly with and [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► somebody agrees and strong with and you [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► can never know like what you're gonna [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► find out there because it's so [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► subjective like there is no like people [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that people always think that there's [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► like some idea of how headphones should [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► sound but there isn't one that everyone [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► agrees on either there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► of argument about that but basically [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► there is no such thing as like the the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► best way a headphone should sound that's [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► why the agreed-upon basically no one to [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► tell you anything that is going to be [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► more useful than what you're going to [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► find by just searching places like [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► Amazon reading a few user reviews and [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► just picking one and if it sucks return [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► otherwise keep it until it dies so all [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► that being said this is probably a bad [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► time to invest in a pair bluetooth [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► headphones because the airport is aren't [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► out yet and even though i expect them to [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► sound really mediocre at best because [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► Apple has apple has not made a pair of [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► headphones that sounds good [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► including all the ones by beats they [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► have not making the sounds good [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they can achieve practical they can [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► achieve you know good enough in for many [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► people for many roles and I mentioned [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like I listened on my pair of of [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► Bluetooth sennheiser PX 210 bt's that [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► that sounds horrible that they have the [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► worst thing in the world but listen [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► because they're incredibly practical [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► that I think is going to be the appeal [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► of their pods that they are going to be [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► incredibly practical and nice to use [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► although i do have a very strong concern [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► about the the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► real-world annoyance of not being able [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► to have like a clicker and volume [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► controls on them as we discussed [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► previously like to only have Siri or to [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► only be able to map the the tap on the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► thing to like play pause and no other [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► commands that anything is going to be [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► annoying but that being said I think in [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► all there are other ways airports are [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► probably going to be pretty great if [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► what you're valuing is convenience over [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► sound quality which I which all jokes [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► aside that is absolutely what I am [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► valuing I for this use case i would much [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► rather have convenience over sound [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► quality now I have a really great set of [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► their dynamics that are listening to [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► right now I have a really great set of [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► open-air sennheisers that admittedly our [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► ancient but still sound phenomenal [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► they're so great i have a set of [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► ultimate ears in your earbuds that also [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► sounds great so I understand what good [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► had headphones sound like I get it it's [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► just for me this is not a time when I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► where I am worrying about perfect audio [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► fidelity and I think to your point Marco [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► the answers either going to be the beats [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► x which is the kind of sporty ones that [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► it's too earbuds tied together by a loop [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► that goes behind your neck which is a [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► hundred fifty bucks or more likely if [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► I'm already in 450 well crap why not do [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► a hundred and sixty seventy whatever it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► is for the air pods and i suspect that [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► even though i am sitting here tellin you [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► I'm worried about making it a whole day [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► at work I have enough meetings and in [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► general mucking about talking to people [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► during the day that I sure I can get [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► through the day with just a little bit [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► of charging in the case here and there [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► and Matt Bischoff and the chat asking [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► don't you go to lunch at any point and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► sometimes yes but oftentimes I just [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► bring a sandwich and just eat at my desk [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► and so that's not it's not there's no [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► guaranteed time when I'm gonna get up [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► and be able to charge but i suspect that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► I will be able to make it work with [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► their pods and for convenience that's [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► probably the best option that I have [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► but internet if you have a a really good [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► preferably on or over here preferably [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► that doesn't go over the top of your [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► head because you're vain petty idiot [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► let me know that bees morning air pods [TS]

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00:48:15 ◼   ► announced the google pixel phones [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► there's a pixel and pixel XL i believe [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► it is which are effectively the [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► equivalent of the iphone 7 iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the phones look good i guess mean what [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► kind of iphone ish they look kind of [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► like somebody described the way iphone 6 [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► looks like over the phone to someone [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► else and then this is what came out [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► yeah that's a relatively fair [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► characterization I think it look they [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► look there is fairly iphone ish but the [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► one thing I will say is the back of them [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► are does that look rough because there's [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► like some areas that looks like it's [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► plastic some that looks like it's glass [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and it's just wolfe no thank you [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► but generally speaking outside of that [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► they seem like they're good devices [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► there's no camera bump which they made a [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► snarky comment about into I don't really [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► blame them because the camera bump kind [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► of stinks well I mean to be fair like [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► they can be making snarky remarks about [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► good design when they're presenting that [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► is there from you know the I don't think [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► the design is bad with the exception of [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► the heck but I mean whatever it does [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► have a headphone jack which that of [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► course they were super snarky about [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► which I'm not surprised the kind of [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► disappointed because it would be really [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► neat if there was a unified front on [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► this issue but whatever [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► no optical image no no physical optical [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► image stabilization which I thought [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► there was when i was watching the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► keynote but it turns out there was not [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► it's all in software which on the one [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► side i'm like half like they'll get that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► right but then again I've seen the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► google app that does the life that was [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► emotion stills i think they call it yet [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► which is the live photo stabilization [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► thing and by god that's the work of [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► magic so it's possible they'll get that [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► overall I mean it looks like it's decent [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► hardware I all told the presentation was [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► ok [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► it was apple ish in some good ways in [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► some bad ways way better than apple in [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► terms of diversity i do want to call [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that out I i think they did a much [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► better job with that [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► that being said the birds the presenters [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► were kind of okay i mean i don't think [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► any of them were great and I mean that [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► Apple every Apple presenter is amazing [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► but i think by and large apple [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► presenters do a pretty darn good job and [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► even some first-time presenters like [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► this message on did an amazing job [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► so there's a high bar in that regard but [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► in all this is bad [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the back is no good that the name of the [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► colors there's very silver quite black [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and really blue seriously whatever [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► yeah I did I'd I can't even the prices [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► are the same as equivalent iphones which [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► is cool i mean i guess that means that [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► that's apparently the price to hit they [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► only come in 32 gigs and 128 gigs [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► there's no 256 gig option like you can [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► find on an iphone i come search for its [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► pretty orderable now i think its ships [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► in a couple of weeks I looks good but [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the thing that was most impressive to me [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► about the entire presentation which is [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► both good and bad was any google photos [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► user which is presumably anyone will [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► have this phone gets free unlimited [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► storage for all the photos and video [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► that come off of there pixel phone and [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► as someone who was a devout cool photos [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► user that is amazing and I am super [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► jealous [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► we haven't yet seen why we need to care [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► about google's phone releases because [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► they've made phones for a while under [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► the nexus brand and we haven't needed to [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► care about those yet because [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► historically they've been pretty rough [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► with any kind of retail presence of any [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► kind of deals with the carrier to get [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► their phones promoted into stores and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► everything it's been it's been not not [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► one of your strong points [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► you know the android marketplace is [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► really just been for the most part the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► samsung marketplace in recent years the [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► timing of this is interesting with [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► Samsung having a pretty bad time right [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► now with with this note 7 disaster and [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► Google coming in and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► hey we we have an alternative for you if [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► you want to keep with Android and maybe [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► going to carriers now and saying hey you [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► can integrate with us now we'll pull [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► your bloatware crap on there as it left [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► I saw story that's been doing that so [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► the timing is is opportune for Google to [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► to take back some of the android inertia [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► from Samsung a little bit but i do think [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► we have we still have not seen google [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► really show the world yet that their [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► first party hardware products can [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► actually get any traction in retail in [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the marketplace so you know if they do [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► then great then we have another strong [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► competitor the industry will be better [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► off customers we better off but i just [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► don't see why why we need to care about [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► this yet because the based on their past [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the chances of is really taking off I I [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► don't think our are guaranteed i think [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► for the first time they have a couple of [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► pitches and an ad campaign that have a [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► chance of resonating with iOS users as [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► we mentioned a couple shows ago the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► whole thing of like making fun of the [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► iphone where you take a picture and it [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► shows you're out of storage touting the [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► whole you know Google we take your [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► pictures and then throw up to the cloud [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► and our crap actually works type of [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► angle and then this is just one step [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► further along the same lines for saying [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► you get this phone not only does our [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► stuff work to put yourself in the cloud [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► but we don't charge you some big monthly [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► fee for your storage get this phone [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► don't worry about storage anymore really [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► don't worry about it you have unlimited [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► storage in the cloud so on and so forth [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► in this article on the verge talking [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► about the same like see Apple see what [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► you have to do once you give people [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► cloud storage equal to the size of their [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► phone which was the only thing you talk [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► about one just get wise an apple just do [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► this and made the answers obvious [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► because google monetizes the stuff that [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► you uploaded to the cloud google you [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► know anonymizing looks at your crap and [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► then lose use it for machine learning [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► your dad doesn't like you know they're [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► they're not as privacy focuses apple is [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► well but that's see that's kind of a bad [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► example though because people say like [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► who can afford to do this because [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► they're making money off your privacy [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► Apple can't do this but that's not your [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► Apple makes money to make tons of money [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► off the hardware I i would bet apples [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► make it more per phone then Google will [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► yeah I know but it's the same business [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► though they're both that like you can [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► say which company is able to make more [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► money of things but in the end there is [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► there's apple to Apple they're both [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► making phones somehow that both making [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► the operating system somehow that both [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► running the cloud services stores your [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► photos somehow right and if Apple's able [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► to make more money on hardware and less [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► money on services and Google's reverse [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► that's all well and good but google has [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► one big thing that apple doesn't have [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► that there's no apples-to-apples [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► comparison for which is we have a search [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► engine that brings us huge amounts of [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► money through advertising and huge [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► amounts of data to feed into our [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► analytical engine to figure out like you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► know anything you can imagine wanting to [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► do with machine learning google has so [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► many inputs into that system that Apple [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► has no you know no comparison so even if [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► Apple want to do everything google does [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► in terms of monetizing your data they [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► can't because they don't have as much [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► input into the system it's not as [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► valuable to them so what we have your [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► pictures what can we do with that [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► well you can use it to feed your engines [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► the figures huh cell searches what I [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► mean search as we don't have a search [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► engine right so Google still has that [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► big strength in terms of monetizing your [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► stuff and you're right there saying well [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► apples got a lot of money in the bank [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► Apple could get free unlimited cloud [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► video storage to all the customers for [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► the next 150 years and only cut like a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► tiny sliver off the mountain of cash [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► they have right that is all true [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► no i'm not even talking about like cash [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► like cash reserves are now using a [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► profit margins on the hardware right [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► they make more money on the harbor the [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► right like the the google model is we're [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► going to we're going to somehow get you [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► this phone then we're gonna make money [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► on you over time as you use our stuff [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► with that Apple model is we're going to [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► make money on this phone upfront and by [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the way with this to make money off [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► everybody with their thirty percent cut [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► from the app store and everything else [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► but you know it even if they only make [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► money from the phone hardware from [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► somebody and there and then after that [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► point that person is a cost Center as [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► they get all their iCloud stuff hosted [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► for free or whatever else they want a [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► plan like this you're still making money [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► somewhere and there's plenty of profit [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► on a phone that's priceless phones are [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► priced they could if they wanted to just [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► give people cloud storage in a way that [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► would probably not have [TS]