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0:00:02- Hello and welcome to Connected episode 310.
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0:00:17My name is Steven Hackett
0:00:18and I am joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
0:00:20- Hello, hi, how are you?
0:00:22- Hey, I'm good, I'm glad to be back.
0:00:24I missed you all last week.
0:00:25- Nice to have you back.
0:00:27- Thank you.
0:00:27- How's the plumbing?
0:00:29Oh, hmm.
0:00:31The people wanna know.
0:00:31I can give a plumbing update.
0:00:32You have to introduce Myke first.
0:00:34Oh, Myke's here.
0:00:35Hey, Myke.
0:00:36Hello.
0:00:37Hello.
0:00:38So how's the plumbing?
0:00:39Yeah, so I missed last week's show
0:00:41because all of our pipes exploded.
0:00:43So what's happening is as soon as it quits raining,
0:00:46so we had Hurricane Laura leftovers come through
0:00:50and some other rain after it, so it's all very wet.
0:00:52But once it quits raining,
0:00:54a guy with a backhoe is gonna come
0:00:57and dig a trench in my yard,
0:00:59we have to replace the the line from the house to the sewer under the street what's the backhoe
0:01:03i have no idea what is what is it can you spell it uh b-a-c-k-h-o-e okay is that an instrument
0:01:13it's like no it's like a a digging machine you know like yellow it's got the scoop on it yeah
0:01:18federica you know these when you see them it's just like as usual americans have weird names
0:01:22for things you know that's what it's called let's see it's like a digger oh well you don't call
0:01:27this a backhoe. That's what Wikipedia calls it. No, this has a different name. The Wikipedia
0:01:33page was made by an American, clearly, is the problem. There is a different name for
0:01:38this. Like an excavator. Yeah, an excavator or digger. Yeah, this is an excavator. What
0:01:46is a backhoe? Is that the brand of the company that makes them? That's usually how it goes
0:01:52in America. There's a funny thing actually where they're colloquially known as JCBs
0:01:56the UK because of the brand JCB but yeah I'm not 100% sure why it's
0:02:02called a backhoe like what's the hoe you know? and it's not in the back it's
0:02:08appears to be in the front. It's actually very much in the front yeah it's
0:02:15really a front shovel more than a backhoe because like a hoe doesn't a hoe
0:02:19you like till ground with a hoe to make it yeah so but and this isn't that like
0:02:26you're gonna plant stuff. Well I mean you could till ground with this.
0:02:28Yeah but like this digs. Aggressively. You know? Yeah. So whatever this piece of industrial
0:02:37equipment is, some people are gonna come and we're gonna replace the sewer
0:02:42line from the house to the sewer. It may go under a big oak tree in my front yard,
0:02:47in which case the tree may not survive, so like it's just lots of knock-on
0:02:50effects. It's not good. Okay so how much, Steven, how much do we need to pay you?
0:02:55you, so that that day, you keep in front of that guy, you keep referring to the machine
0:03:01as an excavator. You never say the word "Beko".
0:03:05I just see what he says. Nice excavator you've got there.
0:03:08See if he corrects you. Lovely excavator, aww. Look at the power on
0:03:14the excavator. Oh, you came with the excavator!
0:03:16Made that JCB is looking good, boy! Yeah.
0:03:22Think about a price and Myke and I can split it.
0:03:25And we'll donate it to St. Jude.
0:03:27But we need video evidence like, "Oh, this is it.
0:03:30We got it."
0:03:31Right?
0:03:32You pick a price, we'll donate it, but we need you to like...
0:03:35We need proof.
0:03:36Like, so a voice memo or a video.
0:03:38Have your iPhone recording audio and put it in your pocket and be like, "Oh, you brought
0:03:44the excavator, I see."
0:03:47Yeah.
0:03:48Or is this one of those things that your dad's going to be there so you'll be super embarrassed
0:03:52to say it it's mostly that yeah yeah you're gonna be like what are you
0:03:56talking about that's a backhoe song I'll put it on reels that's what the chat
0:04:07room says yeah yeah perfect check me out on reels for my hot excavator content
0:04:13it's September yeah very exciting today September 1st which to say we're
0:04:18recording this a day early this week which feels very weird. I'm gonna be off all week now.
0:04:22I'm ruined. Yeah, it's not gonna be good. But in September we take time to talk
0:04:28about and focus on St. Jude Children's Research Hospital because September is
0:04:32National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. Cancer is something that is... we on
0:04:40this show we've all dealt with in one way or another and it's something that
0:04:45really touches a lot of people's lives, and when that intersects with the life of a child,
0:04:50it feels exceptionally tragic in a lot of ways. And I went through that as a parent when our
0:04:58oldest son at six months of age was diagnosed with a brain tumor, but because of St. Jude,
0:05:02he is still with us today. He is going to turn 12 in a couple of months, and he's doing school,
0:05:10and he is living a life that is a miracle and a gift because of the work at St. Jude.
0:05:18So their research, their treatment, all of this is done with no bills going to the family.
0:05:25I've never paid St. Jude a dime in over ten years of treatment and care.
0:05:28And it would have been millions, right?
0:05:30It would have, no exaggeration, financially ruined us. And unfortunately, a lot of people
0:05:38are in that situation, but St. Jude is there for its patients and families to take care
0:05:41of them. And that's only possible because of the support that people like us give the
0:05:48hospital. And I wrote a little post on 512 and I posted it, published it right before
0:05:53the show, but it's been so humbling and cool to see the Apple community get behind this
0:05:59every year, because we've been doing this for several years, even though this year is
0:06:02like the second podcast-a-thon. Like, we've been raising money and talking about St. Jude
0:06:06for a long time.
0:06:07We were just doing it without telling them before.
0:06:10- Yeah.
0:06:11- We were just doing it.
0:06:12- Yep.
0:06:13Now why don't you come do a live show?
0:06:14And we agreed and it's all history.
0:06:17So go to stjude.org/relay.
0:06:21We would love for you to support St. Jude.
0:06:23We today crossed $50,000 raised, which is amazing.
0:06:27So I'm gonna work on scheduling a tour of my Mac setup.
0:06:30That was a milestone at 50 grand.
0:06:33And so we are doing things leading up to the podcast-a-thon,
0:06:36doing a bunch of extra content. Myke, you did a video this past weekend that was
0:06:39really cool, so stay tuned to that page even after you donate because we are
0:06:44doing additional things throughout the month. But we would love for you to go
0:06:48visit stju.org/relay. Is it googly eye time? It is. So you want to
0:06:54explain this? Last year me and Steven kind of... I will always maintain that
0:06:59Steven put me in a bad situation and gave himself a great situation, which was
0:07:04for every $250 raised I had to remove a sticker from one of my devices and
0:07:09Steven had to add a sticker to something in his home and he just picked a bunch
0:07:14of great stickers got amazing stickers sent to him from the listeners got to
0:07:17cherry-pick which ones he wanted put them where he liked it was a great fun
0:07:20time had by him yeah I got to I got to backhoe my way through some good you
0:07:24sure did you sure did Stephen back oh hack it Stephen anyway anyway anyway so
0:07:36this year we have been encouraged by the wonderful people at st. Jude to do
0:07:42something else like this and what we have decided to do is to equally damage
0:07:49each other this time. We are in a a mutual, what is it? Mutually assured
0:07:55destruction with googly eyes. So yes googly eyes played a pretty important
0:08:01role in the podcast-a-thon in the fact that I had them stuck into my beard and
0:08:04looked like some kind of monster. So me and Steven have bought hundreds upon
0:08:09hundreds of googly eyes and for every $250 raised from now, I think until the
0:08:16week of the podcast-a-thon because then we're switching over to something else
0:08:19that we'll talk about when we get a little bit closer to it.
0:08:21Both Steven and I will be placing one googly eye for every two hundred
0:08:26and fifty dollars raised somewhere in either of our workspaces.
0:08:31So for me, it will be a combination of Mega Office in my home and Mega Studio.
0:08:36We will be placing googly eyes all over the place.
0:08:40We have and we both have some interesting ideas for this one.
0:08:46So from now until for the next couple of weeks, every $250 raised, there will be a Google AI placed somewhere.
0:08:53And of course, Steven and I will be tweeting images of the destruction of our property as everything gets a little bit creepier in our studio spaces.
0:09:04Yep, that's right. It's going to be fun and weird and upsetting.
0:09:09Yeah.
0:09:10If you have that thing where like eyes freak you out.
0:09:13I have the thing with the holes, right?
0:09:16What is it?
0:09:17Yeah, me too.
0:09:18Yeah, trypophobia, don't look it up.
0:09:19Don't look it up, anyone, because looking this thing up is when you realize it freaks
0:09:24you out, so just don't look it up.
0:09:25Yeah, that's right.
0:09:27This was the thing everyone was talking about when the Mac Pro got introduced, right?
0:09:31So like, we all remember that.
0:09:33So there you go, stju.org/relay, give what you can, and then when the podcast or thonk
0:09:38rolls around, give some more.
0:09:40That's the Myke Hurley message here.
0:09:43Give multiple times.
0:09:44That's right.
0:09:45I want to get a little bit of follow up. So as promised at WWDC, Apple has launched the
0:09:51ability to suggest changes to the developer guidelines. So they've created a website with
0:09:58a form. This is effectively a suggestion box for developers. So you can go in and say like,
0:10:05"Oh hey, I think you should change this guideline." I really hope that Apple listen and pay attention
0:10:12to what's being said here, I hope that this is being done with the best intentions and
0:10:17not just to make it seem like we're doing something.
0:10:21A lot of suggestion boxes exist just so people can feel empowered about making their suggestion.
0:10:27I hope that they really do pay attention.
0:10:28I do, though, wonder how critical people will be, like existing developers, because I can
0:10:37imagine that same nervousness existing of like "oh I don't want to upset Apple" you know and you're
0:10:44doing it directly to them so it'll be interesting to see what happens there and I'll be keen to know
0:10:48if anybody does share anything and they hear back I would love to see what the results of that is
0:10:54either on or off the record. Along with this change Apple will from now on no longer be holding
0:11:01up bug fixes when there are perceived guideline violations. I'm interested to see how that,
0:11:07you know, they've been doing that recently. I mean, lots of stories about this of Apple,
0:11:10like basically taking bug updates hostage until in-app purchases are added. Apparently,
0:11:16they're not going to do any of this anymore. So we'll see. We'll see. This is like a very,
0:11:23this is almost like a drop of water to somebody in a desert, right? Where we are with this whole
0:11:28mess right now, but these are things that I guess could make some changes, I hope. We'll
0:11:34see.
0:11:35And it should be noted that you need to log in with your developer account. This is not
0:11:40something that you can do anonymously. I just tried, and you need to log in with your account
0:11:45to be able to submit feedback. So that's why some people may be a little hesitant to actually
0:11:52send critical feedback, so we'll see if anything comes out of this. It just feels, well, I
0:11:57I don't know. I want to be optimistic here, but it just feels like a placebo thing. Like,
0:12:00"Oh, we have a form now and you can air your opinions." But, you know, maybe that's a little
0:12:07too negative. I want to believe that maybe something good will come out of this. At least
0:12:13it's something. So, we'll see.
0:12:16We have some breaking news for the follow-up.
0:12:19Is it really?
0:12:20Straight from...
0:12:21Break.
0:12:22It is. Straight from the Discord. This article's a couple days old, so we missed it. But anyways,
0:12:26VPN had an issue with the App Store and apparently they went through this process and the App
0:12:35Store changed their mind. The app had been threatened with rejection over some in-app
0:12:42purchase stuff. They had like a 24-hour trial and apparently the App Store guidelines say
0:12:49a subscription period must last at least seven days. So there was like some conflict there
0:12:54and it looks like they worked it out. So maybe this will be good. It's a good early example.
0:12:59Okay. Well, I hope that that will turn into a set of stories of its own. Right. But there's
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0:15:07Like a very kind individual, Mark Gurman was aware that we were recording early is the only
0:15:14assumption that I can make. So published a report, I believe this morning as we were recording this,
0:15:19doing what Mark does around this time of year where he rounds up what he will say is going to
0:15:27happen at Apple's fall event. And we have a large selection of things here that I want to go through.
0:15:35and I guess we can kind of stop as we go through. I think the first, actually, you know what,
0:15:41Steven, why don't you read the first bullet point in this list that I've compiled here?
0:15:47Why don't you read that? I think that's important for you to read.
0:15:5075 million 5G-enabled iPhones are being made.
0:15:56What do you think about that?
0:16:01That seems like a lot of iPhones. I don't know if it is or not, because Apple doesn't
0:16:05share the volume of sales anymore, right? We don't know how many phones they sell. But
0:16:1175 million seems like a lot, and they're going to have so-called 5G in them.
0:16:15So-called? What does that mean? What is so-called for?
0:16:19You know, some people call it 5G. Some people don't.
0:16:23What do you call it? A hoax? What do you call it?
0:16:25I'm not going down that road with you guys.
0:16:29There is something kind of fun where like you were a 5G denier before it was a thing.
0:16:34Yeah.
0:16:34And now there's like a whole thing about it and so you're kind of like...
0:16:38I'm just backing out of the room.
0:16:39...interlinked with this now which is kind of wonderful.
0:16:42So do you want to accept 5G yet?
0:16:45Look, I'm excited about our predictions.
0:16:51Feeling a little nervous about my 5G one.
0:16:53Are you going to concede to the existence of 5G?
0:16:55I've seen the light.
0:16:58Okay.
0:16:59I've seen the mini mini 5G towers going up literally in my neighborhood. I think there's one at the end of my street
0:17:05Yeah, they're coming for you in this circle
0:17:07So getting closer and closer now what we don't know really is the timing of the event, right?
0:17:13Like no, no one really seems to have a good handle on this but more did indicate in his report that the product releases
0:17:20At least would be in October
0:17:22which is kind of what we figured anyway because Apple said that we're gonna be a couple of weeks late whenever they have the event and
0:17:29towards the end of September or not, we're gonna have to wait and see but it's very likely that these products will come out probably over
0:17:34October and November in some cases. So a lot of this stuff we have heard before but I think is you know over the course of
0:17:42a year there are so many rumors
0:17:44I think sometimes it can be difficult and like they get all mixed up
0:17:47But Mark Gorman is has a very good track record and this is what Mark is saying will be for the iPhone line
0:17:55For iPhones all with some kind of 5g because there are different
0:17:59Strengths power speeds that kind of thing those iPhones will have a different design all iPhones will have flat edges like the iPad Pro
0:18:08The pro models will continue to have stainless steel and my boys dark blue replaces midnight green
0:18:15Give me that dark blue phone dark blue as a piece of real-time follow-up for you
0:18:22I have been having the best time with no case on my iPhone. I love it so much. Yes. I love looking at it
0:18:29I love holding it
0:18:30No case on the iPhone. It's a really nice way to live if you don't break your phone, right?
0:18:36I haven't yet broke my phone
0:18:38So we'll find out if how long this love affair lasts, but I do very much like not having a case on my phone
0:18:44So in these four iPhones, we'll of course have a wider choice of screen sizes. All the phones will feature OLED screens
0:18:52The iPhone 12 line will feature a 5.4 and a 6.1 inch phone. That 5.4 inch phone is good
0:18:58And the 12 Pro will be 6.1 and 6.7 inches
0:19:05So we'll be getting the the smallest iPhone in this form factor ever and the largest iPhone
0:19:14ever made screen size wise
0:19:17A quote from Mark Gurman's article is "Some Apple employees testing their new devices
0:19:21think that the new 6.7-inch screen is one of this year's most notable improvements,
0:19:26the people familiar with the situation said."
0:19:29This is interesting for a couple of reasons.
0:19:31One, what's the current size of the Pro Max for context?
0:19:35Someone will get me that.
0:19:36We'll answer that question in just a few seconds.
0:19:38But that's really interesting to me because, well, one, now it makes me want it, right?
0:19:42Because I'm always on the fence anyway.
0:19:44there's no note in this report. So 6.5 inches for the Ricoh. Okay. Okay. There's no note
0:19:50in this report and it seems a bit sketchy based on some other rumors as to whether these
0:19:55phones will at any any point in the line feature 120 Hertz refresh rate display. There have
0:20:02been rumors of like the screens will support it, but Apple's having problems getting some
0:20:08of the controllers, the display controllers that they need. So like they were wanting
0:20:12to do it but maybe can't do it because of parts issues. But when I read that it's like
0:20:16"do you think that means that it is a ProMotion display?" which is one of the things that
0:20:23makes it so notable and at that size makes it even more so. I don't know. It's interesting
0:20:28that I don't think that there is any really solid reporting on whether we're going to
0:20:35see the high refresh rate. I know if we don't I'm going to be pretty disappointed because
0:20:41I know why, if it doesn't happen I feel like I know why, but it was a shame because
0:20:45one, I think it's pretty clear that it was supposed to and couldn't, but yeah, nevertheless.
0:20:51The 12 will ship before the 12 Pro, so it looks like there's probably going to be
0:20:57a bit of a wait time for the Pro phones.
0:21:01It sounds like a repeat of three years ago, with the iPhone X, that we're all waiting
0:21:07for the new phone to arrive and it shipped in November, right? At some point in November.
0:21:13I think it was November, yeah. 2017? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was November. Was there a
0:21:18new phone? Yeah, that was the iPhone 8, right? That was the year that the iPhone 8 came first
0:21:23and then the iPhone X? Was that the year? 2017? Yes, yes. Because the X came late. I
0:21:29think it was late October, maybe? Late October, yeah. It was early November for me, maybe,
0:21:35was, yeah, it was early November because there was the national strike in Italy of UPS. And
0:21:41so the weekend that the iPhone 10 was supposed to arrive, UPS went on a national strike.
0:21:48You were so mad. I remember how upset you were. That was, that was, that was a fun year.
0:21:54Yeah, no, no joke. I, that's when I became close friends with my local UPS person. I
0:22:02now have his phone number, like his personal phone number, and to make sure that I would
0:22:07get the iPhone X as soon as possible after the weekend, I called him on a Sunday. I was
0:22:13like, "I'm so sorry to bother you on your personal..."
0:22:15This is when I was trying to convince you to bribe him.
0:22:17Yeah, yeah, that was the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, that was the thing. I was like, "I'm
0:22:22so sorry to bother you on a Sunday." He's like, "Who is this?" I'm like, "I'm the guy
0:22:26who lives..." and I told him the street. And thankfully, he recognized me on the phone.
0:22:31And so we arranged, like, it told me like, if you can wake up early tomorrow, if you
0:22:36can meet me at this intersection, we can just exchange your package in the middle of the
0:22:42street. And that's what we did. Like, we actually met at an intersection and I stopped the car
0:22:47and just gave me the box. Wow. No, I got out of the car, he got out of the van and he gave
0:22:55me, gave me the box. I was really upset that the very weekend that I was, I was supposed
0:23:00be getting the iPhone X on a Friday, and then UPS went on a national strike. So anyway.
0:23:08I wonder what that small one's gonna be like. The 5.4 inch?
0:23:12See, I am very interested actually in trying one. I know that I, like, personally, for me,
0:23:19I would be getting the biggest one possible, the 6.7, but I am very curious to try the smallest one.
0:23:27For me, and also because I feel like Sylvia will actually be interested in that model.
0:23:34Like the same design with Face ID and everything, but a smaller iPhone.
0:23:40So the iPhone 8 Plus had a 5.5 inch display.
0:23:46So that's the closest.
0:23:50Yeah, so the Plus phones had 5.5.
0:23:53So it's like that, you know, but obviously the issue with these things is that,
0:23:57well, then you have to remove the, like the, all of the body around it.
0:24:01But like the iPhone 10 was 5.8, right?
0:24:05Yes.
0:24:06So it's smaller than that, but like screen size wise, it's kind of in the realm of
0:24:11the, the plus phones, but without the chin, without the forehead, all that kind of
0:24:16stuff.
0:24:16I'm really torn because I liked the 5.8 inch.
0:24:19I'm I use the iPhone 11 pro.
0:24:21I actually picked up a XS Max earlier this week.
0:24:26A family member has my old XS Max.
0:24:29I was like, this phone is ginormous.
0:24:31And so I'm a little nervous that I'm gonna
0:24:35kind of be stranded in the middle, guys.
0:24:36I don't wanna be stuck in the middle.
0:24:37- Well, but, well, you could just go for the 12,
0:24:41wait, what's from, oh, 'cause the 12 Pro's 6.1, right?
0:24:46Is that too much?
0:24:48- I don't know.
0:24:49I guess we'll find out.
0:24:50I want it as close to 5.8 as possible.
0:24:52Like I want to stick as close to my size as possible.
0:24:55- The 11 Pro is 5.8.
0:24:58So it's the, ah, okay.
0:25:00So all the Pros, they're growing a bit.
0:25:04So the thing is going to be like,
0:25:05what are the differences, right?
0:25:07Like that's going to have to be the decision maker.
0:25:10It's like what features does the Pro phone get
0:25:13that the regular phone doesn't
0:25:15and then make your decision from there, I guess.
0:25:19I mean, I want the pro, like I mean, I'm, you know.
0:25:23You're a pro boy.
0:25:25I'm, yeah, I got big pro energy, so.
0:25:28We'll see how this goes.
0:25:31I think it's good to sort of deal with the sizing issues
0:25:36because right now with the regular 11
0:25:39in between the two pro sizes,
0:25:40like that's a little confusing, I think.
0:25:42And so to have, okay, 12 are this size
0:25:46and the biggest 12 is the same size as a small 12 Pro.
0:25:50And that makes sense to me on a table at an Apple store,
0:25:54because people already basically equate screen size
0:25:58with how good something is.
0:25:59Like I think laptops and desktop computers
0:26:01have burned that into our brains.
0:26:03And so you have the 12, the stock phone,
0:26:06the 5.4 inch smaller one means more of those people
0:26:09still using a touch ID phone,
0:26:11maybe more willing to come to the 12
0:26:13because it's closer in size to what they're used to.
0:26:15And then the pro, those people usually want more, they're a little bit bigger, they sit
0:26:18above the 12 and the range.
0:26:20This makes a lot more sense to me on paper than the iPhone line has made in quite a while,
0:26:26I think.
0:26:27Yeah, and I think the OLED screens across the line helps really balance out a big difference,
0:26:34right?
0:26:35Like just every screen is good, which is a good thing, so people feel comfortable in
0:26:41that.
0:26:42I don't know what you're saying about balancing out size wise for sure,
0:26:45but the feature balance is going to be it's going to be very interesting.
0:26:49Like how far does Apple go?
0:26:52Because, you know, like the 11, the iPhone 11 was was very close
0:26:56to the 11 Pro right in what it could do.
0:26:59So it will be interesting to see what features go where.
0:27:03A new iPad Air on the way of an edge to edge screen.
0:27:08It's kind of about as much as Marc gives on that one.
0:27:11I am wondering, based on some other rumors that I saw over the last few days,
0:27:16Touch ID or Face ID?
0:27:18There's a rumor I saw on MacRumors that they might put Touch ID in the power button,
0:27:25which makes a lot of sense, I think.
0:27:27And I would also really like that in my iPhone.
0:27:30Yes, very much so. I know that as far as the phone goes,
0:27:35the rumor is that, well, at least the rumors a while back were saying that
0:27:39Apple was looking to integrate Touch ID under the display in the future, so I don't know
0:27:44if 2021 or 2022, but I would very much welcome if it's just in the power button, I think
0:27:49that would be fine. I think it would be interesting if they debut such a major rethink of Touch
0:27:54ID in the iPad first, and not even in the iPad Pro, but in the iPad Air. I think it's
0:27:59gonna be slightly odd, but you know, if they've done weirder things, I guess.
0:28:05Would you imagine they would go to Face ID on this product though?
0:28:09On the iPad Air?
0:28:10I mean at this point if they do go edge to edge then yes.
0:28:13You could see them doing that?
0:28:15I can see them doing this because it's been long enough since the introduction of the
0:28:21iPad Pro that some of those features can start trickling down to the rest of the line.
0:28:26I actually wouldn't be surprised if they also support the second generation Apple Pencil.
0:28:31What about the Magic Keyboard?
0:28:33I cannot see them doing it yet. I still think it's...
0:28:37Like these things, they usually trickle them down in stages
0:28:41and it feels like it hasn't passed enough since the introduction of the
0:28:45Magic Keyboard a few months ago. That they're ready to
0:28:48bring it to the iPad Air line. I can imagine it will happen, right? Like you
0:28:51say, they did the smart keyboard on the regular iPads,
0:28:54they've done the Apple Pencil on the regular iPads. Yeah, I think maybe they go
0:28:58flat sides and, especially if it's edge to edge,
0:29:01Maybe it picks up some of that iPad Pro design language and they get the new Apple Pencil,
0:29:06but it might be a touch early for the Magic Keyboard.
0:29:11Yeah, they're gonna, I mean, I'm sure it's gonna have a smart connector in the back,
0:29:17and they're probably gonna have a smart keyboard for this new device,
0:29:21but I would be very surprised if they also have a Magic Keyboard ready to go for this one.
0:29:29Touch ID in the power button, I think it would be very surprising because it would set a precedent
0:29:35for next year's iPhone, right? Because if they do it on the iPad Air now, then everybody's gonna
0:29:40think, "Oh, well, I guess next year's iPhone is also gonna have Touch ID back in the power button."
0:29:45I actually think that if they showed these two things up at the same event,
0:29:48people would be upset about the fact that the iPhone wouldn't have it.
0:29:52Exactly. They're gonna be like, "Well, why doesn't the iPhone also have Touch ID in the power button?"
0:29:58especially in 2020 with the pandemic going on and face masks making Face ID trickier?
0:30:03There have always been things that I liked Touch ID for more and over time Apple actually made
0:30:08some of that stuff better like with the express transit thing and stuff like that. But I want
0:30:13Touch ID to return now because I am a diligent face mask wearer as everybody should be, which means
0:30:21that like I'm putting in my passcode constantly now. I'm not one of the
0:30:26unicorns that have got face ID to work with a mask on, but so I don't know how
0:30:32that's happening for some people that hasn't... Is it happening for some people? Yes, yeah, I've seen multiple people talk
0:30:38about this now. It's even Carter in the chat is saying that face ID has been
0:30:42100% of a face mask on. It's definitely happening for some people, I don't know
0:30:46why. You sure they have a face mask on? That's what they're saying! I mean it does
0:30:50seems strange to me I don't know how it's possible maybe it's like certain
0:30:54face masks if they conform to your face, who knows right but I've heard it
0:30:58happening to multiple people I think they were talking about it in ATP a few
0:31:02weeks ago too like it's definitely a thing that some people are seeing I
0:31:06don't know how it's possible but nevertheless that's why I want touch ID
0:31:09to return because there are things like passwords on one password or whatever
0:31:15and I'm entering in my entire like one password password instead of being able
0:31:19to use biometrics because I'm on the train and trying to log into something right? So I would
0:31:24love Touch ID to come back but I think that you're right if they did Touch ID in this iPad it would
0:31:31really stick out if it wasn't in the iPhone 2. There's also some stuff about Apple watches but
0:31:38we'll talk about that in a minute because we're going to go into that in a little bit more detail.
0:31:41Just mention of over-ear headphones I'm super happy to hear about it because I'm really interested
0:31:47in that product? Head Pods! I really hope this is finally coming true, they're being rumored for the
0:31:52past year at least, and I think it's, uh, it would be good timing now, especially with the spatial
0:31:59audio thing coming in iOS 14 that supposedly, you know... I want to try that out so bad, like, I want
0:32:05to understand what that's all about, but that's just going to be one of those things we have to
0:32:09wait for, right? Yeah, there's this whole thing that, well, spatial audio, it's not clear, like,
0:32:14In theory, it's supposed to be working at the very least with Dolby Atmos movies.
0:32:18And I saw some people saying that they added support for this in the last,
0:32:24either in beta 5 or beta 6 of iOS 14.
0:32:26And I tried it because I do have a bunch of Dolby Atmos purchases in my iTunes library.
0:32:32But I couldn't notice any meaningful difference with the AirPods Pro.
0:32:35- There's also the... - I thought that it required an AirPods firmware update.
0:32:40- See, that's maybe that's what the issue is. I don't know.
0:32:43Yeah, I thought that it's the same with the device switching.
0:32:47Like, there has to be an AirPods update.
0:32:51I guess, yeah. And in addition to spatial audio, there's also the
0:32:55motion stuff happening with AirPods Pro. They have this motion
0:32:59API that they announced at WWDC
0:33:03that's supposed to allow you to use the
0:33:07sensors in the AirPods Pro so that when you're playing
0:33:11a game or doing something else, developers can actually see your motion in real time.
0:33:16So they can do some interesting things with the motion of your head.
0:33:20So that would also be very interesting if the AirPods studio or HeadPods, whatever they're
0:33:26called, they also support this.
0:33:29Personally speaking, I still have to find any documentation whatsoever for the Motion
0:33:34API.
0:33:36It's nowhere to be found on the Apple Developer website.
0:33:39So I don't know, is this going to be one of the things that they announced at WWDC and
0:33:44they actually never shipped or are never going to ship this year?
0:33:50Motion API for AirPods.
0:33:51Really fascinating on principle, like you can actually have motion data and combine
0:33:57that with music players, with games, with video players.
0:34:00I think it could be fun, but there's no documentation to be found still and it's September.
0:34:06So we'll see, I guess.
0:34:08All right, so what else do we have a smaller home pod I don't understand I
0:34:12Can't get my head around this. I'm gonna need to see it. Yeah, I don't think people aren't buying
0:34:19The home pod because of its size. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think it's now if
0:34:24Size if a smaller size equates to a much lower price, it may tick up a little bit
0:34:30But I think we talked about a lot. I think it's still too expensive for what it is
0:34:35Size isn't the issue here. The issue here is the poor Siri support compared to something like the Echo and
0:34:41It's too expensive and it's not available worldwide still like it
0:34:45There's a bunch of problems and I don't think size is the you know, the first of the list of the problems
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0:36:22Mark Gorman dropped a little tidbit in his report that iOS 14 is still coming in September
0:36:28If it's September 30th, it was still technically be September and I would feel a lot better about it
0:36:34Are they going to drop iOS 14?
0:36:37Before they have an event. I really don't understand why they need to do this
0:36:43like I honestly like and and I'm trying to think like I'm not a
0:36:48reviewer. I'm not biased. And I still cannot come up with any explanations. Like, why?
0:36:54If there's nothing else, like, if there's no device that is coming out in September,
0:37:00there is a new device that needs to have 14 pre-installed, what's the pressure?
0:37:06Especially considering the messy and buggy rollout of last year, and especially, again,
0:37:12look at the numbers, iOS has always been in beta, so that's before GM, always for the past few years
0:37:19100 days. Like, do you really want to break that pattern this time in 2020, considering the pandemic
0:37:25and the last time and last year's poor reputation? I mean, they can do it, I really don't understand
0:37:33why. And then the reviewer side of me says, "Well, I've been struggling with this, you know,
0:37:45possibility for the past few, really since W2C. And, well, I've come to accept that it is a real
0:37:56possibility that this is the year that maybe, depending on what Apple does, my review will
0:38:03not be ready on day one. And I've come to this realization because unfortunately there have been
0:38:09some other problems going on in my personal life these past couple of weeks that I... those have
0:38:15the priority, right? Those are things that I need to take care of and they are the kinds of issues
0:38:22that you need to drop everything work-related and take care of those. And so, because of those
0:38:27circumstances that, of course, they happen in 2020, because of course, you know, might as well
0:38:33be the year of all the crazy stuff happening, that, with that, and with the possibility that
0:38:40no matter the delay, Apple is going to release in mid-September, well, I guess I will not be ready,
0:38:47because I was banking on, you know, WWDC 20 days later than usual. I guess the review
0:38:53is also going to be 20 days later than usual. And I've struggled with this information,
0:38:59really struggled, I've been very stressed, especially in last month with, you know, the
0:39:05idea of planning vacations and everything. And then I realized, you know, the review
0:39:12will be ready when it's ready. And if I had to choose between rushing the review and having
0:39:17a subpar product that I'm not happy with. And yes, by the way, I should clarify the
0:39:23problems that I mentioned that are not personal problems to me. I'm totally fine. I just,
0:39:27you know, family stuff that I'm supposed to be taking care of. Just, you know, people
0:39:31get concerned and everything. I'm totally good. Not complete and everything. But yeah,
0:39:37between choosing, you know, choosing between rushing the review and saying, well, you know
0:39:42what, I'm just, I'm going to make it special. I'm going to pour all my energy into it. And
0:39:46it's gonna be a week later then fine I guess you know I'm gotta hope that
0:39:51people will still pay attention. It's not like it's not like you provide the manual
0:39:57right the people good because the iOS because Federico's review isn't out
0:40:01people are gonna download iOS 14 and be like well now what will I do? You know it's like it's
0:40:05it's not essential it's just nice that it comes out on the same day right it's
0:40:09nice that it comes out but I feel like the the value can be extracted from it
0:40:15no matter when it comes out, so many people don't read it on day one, right?
0:40:21They wait and go through it in their own pace or they, you know, they're like "Oh,
0:40:25I'll read it this weekend" or whatever. And if you're gonna be late one year, this
0:40:31is the year you can be late. It's gonna be fine, people will understand. But still,
0:40:36you could still have more than enough notice to get things to a place where
0:40:42you're happy with them. You know, we don't know, right? But I think it is, it's time
0:40:47for everybody who is developing apps, who's thinking about getting them ready for day
0:40:52one, who's writing reviews, preparing special content to realize, look, you might miss day
0:40:58one this year and you know what? Nothing bad is going to happen. You're going to be totally
0:41:03fine.
0:41:04Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, um, I've been thinking about it very long. I've been discussing
0:41:09it with Sylvia. I'm going to try real hard. If it has to be late, I'm going to try real
0:41:13hard to make it extra special in terms of, like, the perks that you will find in it and
0:41:18the examples. Like, I've been testing so many different apps, it's kind of ridiculous. So
0:41:22to try and make it as unique as possible so that even if it's late, there still can be
0:41:29value in it, you know. And this is something that I've actually been working toward for
0:41:35the past few years to make something that is not like a rehash of a press release but
0:41:39that has opinions and details and examples and, you know, shortcuts and scripts that
0:41:45you can download inside of it and the special design. All those things have been, you know,
0:41:51done so that the review can stand on its own even months later. And I've been fortunate
0:41:57enough to hear from people saying, "I didn't read the review the first week and I actually,
0:42:03I've been reading it slowly through the course of October and I really enjoyed it.
0:42:08And that makes me really happy because it means it's something that people can revisit and can read even later
0:42:13because they find it useful and they find it entertaining.
0:42:17So that makes me really happy.
0:42:19And that's what I'm saying. You do not produce the manual, right?
0:42:23You are not producing purposefully. This is how you use iOS 14. It's not what it is.
0:42:31Yeah, you look at each feature you describe it to as much as it needs description and then give your opinion on it
0:42:37Because you might write a review
0:42:39Review being a little later does not mean that the review is invalidated now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but I
0:42:47You know how you can here's how I can make you feel better. I think I can do this, right? Yeah, you have reviewed many
0:42:55products every iPhone every iPad and
0:42:59And many of those reviews you've published after you bought the phone, not when you were given them.
0:43:05Very true. Very true.
0:43:06And those stories have always done well because you take the time to put your opinions and your thoughts into them and the stories do great.
0:43:14And the more unique they were, the better they performed, actually. Like last year's Rome photographic tour. That went really well.
0:43:23It was very expensive for the CDN because of the full resolution.
0:43:27You win something, you lose something.
0:43:29It's very expensive.
0:43:30But also you have the thing that a lot of people won't have in that you are Federico
0:43:36Vatici and people want your review.
0:43:39And it is your unfair advantage, right?
0:43:41But like, you've built that, right?
0:43:44Like you've built that advantage over time.
0:43:47But that's the thing, right?
0:43:49Don't rest on it, right?
0:43:50So like, don't be like, "Ah, it will come when it comes."
0:43:53-Exactly. -Work your butt off to get it out as soon as you can,
0:43:57but don't pull your hair out because you didn't make it.
0:44:00I know, I know. It's just that one of my greatest fears is becoming complacent.
0:44:05But this isn't complacency, Federico.
0:44:08The extreme is becoming irrelevant because you don't care anymore.
0:44:13We've seen that happen to a bunch of older people.
0:44:15And I still, like, every day I feel like the probable fire has been lit under my behind.
0:44:23because I gotta feel like that, you know?
0:44:26I gotta feel like, you know, I need to do more and more,
0:44:31but you reach a certain point where
0:44:32other things have the priority.
0:44:36And also, I reached the point where,
0:44:40because I did this to myself years ago, for example,
0:44:43you know, the insane work schedule,
0:44:46and the never resting, and the never sleeping,
0:44:49And I knew firsthand where that took me.
0:44:52You know, I reached a certain point where I'm like,
0:44:56okay, I'm gonna do my best to try and be ready in time.
0:44:59But then health and family and mental health
0:45:03have the priority always.
0:45:04- And also the quality of the work.
0:45:07- And the, exactly.
0:45:08- Right, like if you rush it too much,
0:45:11it's not going to give people
0:45:13what they have then waited for.
0:45:15You take a little bit of extra time
0:45:18and you get it right and you do it.
0:45:19- But again, this is not set in stone.
0:45:22Nothing of this is because still--
0:45:25- You may have until the middle of October.
0:45:26Nobody actually really knows, right?
0:45:29- German rarely is wrong about this stuff.
0:45:32So I tend to, I would say leaning like 70% mark is right.
0:45:37- Yeah, but you've got a lot of September left.
0:45:41- There's a lot of September left and I'm about 60%,
0:45:45I would say, done with the review.
0:45:47The final 40% is much easier, thankfully, because the really hard stuff I did before.
0:45:53And it's just, especially the past two weeks have been crazy, so I was hoping to be at a different stage of writing, but I'm not.
0:46:01So yeah, I mean, whatever. If it's late September, I can probably manage.
0:46:08If it's mid-September, I can tell you right now I'm positive I will not be ready mid-September.
0:46:13But then it's just up to you, right?
0:46:14Because like when the review comes out,
0:46:16there's obviously people paying attention because it's iOS 14 day.
0:46:21But on that day, there's a lot of stuff happening. Yeah.
0:46:25If you do it an amount of days later,
0:46:29you can make that day your day. It's Federico's day.
0:46:32Yeah, that's that's a good point.
0:46:34That's a good point.
0:46:35And I know this like it was pros and cons and like no one really knows
0:46:38how it's going to go.
0:46:39But like, I really don't think that you are going to have
0:46:43a wor... and again, I'll give you another example. Do you remember that time when no one could read the review?
0:46:49Oh my god.
0:46:50What was that, iOS 12?
0:46:52iOS 11 and the website went down and I was at the vet for a Zelda emergency.
0:47:02So no one could get the review, right? No one could read it. It was like... it was dead for many hours.
0:47:09But that year was fine, right? The reviews still did well, the numbers were great, even
0:47:15though people had to come back to get it. People want what you were producing because
0:47:23you have built a reputation for producing something which is worth reading, and that
0:47:30is because you've been doing this for how many years?
0:47:33Well, formally, since iOS 9, like officially the Mac Stories review started with 9.
0:47:40So you've got like five years of people expecting this thing, they know it's gonna be good.
0:47:47So they'll want it, the people will want it no matter when it comes, right?
0:47:52You'll be fine.
0:47:54Don't take this as the ability to publish it in January, right?
0:47:57But like, if you're a couple of weeks late, you'll be fine.
0:48:02also as well like people won't even have their iPhones like people will update the 14 but
0:48:06it won't have a new phone, you can wait till they get the new phone and they'll do it then
0:48:10whatever you know or like 14 will be out but so many app developers are not ready that
0:48:16people can't even take advantage of the features anyway if you get out on day one right because
0:48:19there's barely any widgets in the store maybe who knows like thank you for this it makes
0:48:24me feel really really good and better honestly good it will come together right like this
0:48:31This is just a year where so much stuff is messed up.
0:48:35Right, like look, Apple's going to have the iPhone late.
0:48:38Mm-hmm.
0:48:39Right?
0:48:40One of them might not come out for two months after when we'd expect.
0:48:43I guess I can be late.
0:48:44Yes.
0:48:45I mean, they're even late.
0:48:46Yes, you could be late.
0:48:47I don't have billions.
0:48:48I don't have billions.
0:48:49I have a bunch of euros in my pocket.
0:48:50I don't have billions.
0:48:51Yeah, yeah, I still don't get it though.
0:48:54Like I said, why does it need to come out in September?
0:48:57Like all things aside.
0:48:58We've spoken about this.
0:48:59We were speaking about this last week, right?
0:49:01Like it is possible that Apple's internal timelines, they're meeting them.
0:49:06This is what we were talking about.
0:49:08Like the timeline you started started when WWDC started, but Apple's timeline probably
0:49:13started a month before that.
0:49:15They may have started there like we're on beta one when WWDC would have been.
0:49:20So they got three weeks on you, right?
0:49:22Because the first set of betas were incredibly stable, right?
0:49:27Speak of antitrust, right?
0:49:28And it's anti-competitive advantage over you.
0:49:34They're using their advantage on you again.
0:49:37Yet again.
0:49:38Yet again.
0:49:39And those are anti-competitive behaviors.
0:49:42You can see it everywhere.
0:49:43But you know what I mean though, right?
0:49:44Like yeah, you're tracking the beta process, but that's the publicly seen process.
0:49:51They have their own internal timelines.
0:49:53Yeah, and speaking of which, today should have been Beta 7 day, but it's not.
0:50:00It was for the Apple Watch.
0:50:02It was for the Apple Watch, only the Apple Watch though.
0:50:05But it might be, they're putting out 13.7 today, so it might be like an all hands on
0:50:11deck type of thing, right?
0:50:13Could be later today for Beta 7 or could be tomorrow, but I still think it's gonna be
0:50:17weekly, so this week, at some point this week.
0:50:20- Yep, iOS, in case anybody's missed out, iOS 13.7
0:50:23with the exposure notification 2.0 is out today.
0:50:28Although funnily in the release notes,
0:50:32Apple just republished the iOS 13 release notes,
0:50:35which is very weird.
0:50:36- Gosh, come on Apple.
0:50:38- So the release notes talk about like,
0:50:41dark mode is here, right?
0:50:43It's like it was a whole year ago.
0:50:45It was a whole year ago.
0:50:46- Well, yeah.
0:50:48iOS 13.7 introduces new Memoji stickers and iCloud drive folder sharing from the Files
0:50:53app.
0:50:54This update also includes bug fixes and improvements.
0:50:56Sure.
0:50:57Easier times.
0:50:59Federico, I agree with everything Myke said.
0:51:02I kind of just let him go.
0:51:05One thing I will add though is it's not like you're doing this in secret, right?
0:51:10It's not like iOS 14 day comes, say, you know, heaven forbid it's in two weeks and there's
0:51:17no Mac Stories review and people are just left wondering. You're talking about it here
0:51:21on Connected, you're talking about it on social media, your other shows. People who follow
0:51:25you are going to know what's going on. And so you're not leaving people in the dark.
0:51:31If anything, I think us talking about it so much this year, I feel like we've talked about
0:51:36it more in advance this year than in previous years. If anything, that keeps people engaged,
0:51:41looking forward to it. So I think you're communicating with people. I don't think anyone's going
0:51:45to feel upset or tricked or like, "Where is it? I feel like I deserve this." You are doing
0:51:52the right things when it comes to communicating this in advance. So yeah, work hard, don't
0:51:57kill yourself over it, and when it's done, post it.
0:52:01And the real hardcore tiki heads, right? That's your fan base, by the way.
0:52:06Okay.
0:52:07That's a better name for that. It's gotta be.
0:52:09No, it's good. As good as it is. I think they would be surprised now if you did put it out
0:52:13when I was a little teen comes out. Yeah. Right? I think at this point people are expecting
0:52:19you to be late. What about uh, fan of Rico's? No. T.G. heads is kinda nice. T.G. heads,
0:52:30what else could we do? It's kinda nice. I don't know. So, yeah, but still, thank you
0:52:36both for the advice and words of encouragement. I will not kill myself over it. It's still a lesson
0:52:44that I'm trying to learn and sometimes I think this year has gone better in terms of managing
0:52:52my stress levels and managing my work hours. Also because in a way, I think in a way,
0:52:59the pandemic helped in that I wanted to spend more time with my friends this summer,
0:53:07more time than usual, because of the lockdown months prior. So in a sort of weird and twisted
0:53:13way, the pandemic kind of helped there. But still, this is still something that is very much
0:53:20on my mind every single day, like making progress on this thing. But we'll see. But I agree.
0:53:28if I had to choose between "rush it out" or "take your time and be happy with it",
0:53:34because I know that these stories I use myself again later as reference, I couldn't stand the
0:53:43thought of "have it be something that is not as polished as usual". So, I will take your advice,
0:53:51guys, very gladly. Just, you know, you want to make it right, right? Yeah. Make it right.
0:53:57Don't make it wrong and then take advantage of the fact if you are late, maybe you'll
0:54:04have more apps that you can feature with the features.
0:54:10You might get to do something that you never get to do, which would be to show large applications
0:54:17from large companies.
0:54:18Because typically you show indie apps from people that are in the community because they
0:54:24they will send you the betas, but you maybe don't get your hands on more mainstream applications.
0:54:30Our friends at Google docs are always there on day one.
0:54:32I will work with Google to bring you the exclusive.
0:54:38You might get that.
0:54:41Pastor Boy in the chat has made a good suggestion for tichy fans, seniors.
0:54:44That's a deep cut.
0:54:46That's a deep cut right there.
0:54:49There was one more product that Mark Gurman spoke about, which was quite a surprise to
0:54:54me related to the Apple Watch, which we'll talk about just after this break.
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0:57:47All right, so I was quite surprised about this, both to see it in Mark Gorman's report
0:57:52and then Steven, you put some extra links in, kind of talking about some rumors and
0:57:56some possibilities of this product, that we'll see two Apple Watches.
0:58:01Now this doesn't mean what we've seen in the past, where they're going to be Apple Watches
0:58:04with different materials.
0:58:05may be the case but we're talking two products here. One will be a successor to
0:58:10the Series 5. Not really sure what's going to go into that. I mean I don't know if I
0:58:15don't think we're gonna see a Series 4 to Series 5 where we were like I don't
0:58:20know what the Apple Watch is gonna get and they were like BAM here's some
0:58:24always-on screens right like I don't that was a big surprise I don't know if
0:58:29we'll see that. I would really love to see what they would what I'd seen rumors
0:58:33about before about like sensors that could detect stress and stuff like that
0:58:38and like panic attacks like that feels like a really good place to move for the
0:58:43Apple watch I guess most people are hoping for more battery life I guess
0:58:47which could happen with the removal of the force touch sensors in the display
0:58:53although personally I would like to actually see the watch get thinner
0:58:57rather than more battery but that's just my own tastes do either of you have any
0:59:01thoughts as to what you think could be in the Series 5 or what you'd want to
0:59:05see? Sorry, in the Series 6 I guess it would be, wouldn't it?
0:59:08Yeah, those sensors, what is it, the blood, the oxygen level, that could be really interesting. I think
0:59:15it's something that I would personally want, especially in the context of, I
0:59:19guess it could be integrated with sleep tracking somehow. I'm sure more data can
0:59:24always help there. And for managing stress levels and anxiety to detect
0:59:30panic attacks and to have that integration with the Breathe app for example, it could
0:59:35be really fascinating to have. And it's the kind of hardware addition that could spawn
0:59:40a lot of new categories of apps on the watch, I feel like. And battery life, I agree. It's
0:59:47also something that I would welcome. The design itself is fine. I could go for some more thinness.
0:59:54I could go for a thinner watch, but it's not like if I were to choose that sensor and longer
1:00:01battery, you can never go wrong with that, especially in the context of sleep tracking.
1:00:05So if they can get even a couple extra hours out of the watch, I think I would like that.
1:00:10What about you, Steven?
1:00:11Do you have anything specific?
1:00:13No, I think I'm on board with all of that.
1:00:16I mean, it really feels like this could be the Apple Watch's moment to shine.
1:00:22They're doing the hand washing stuff in the new watch OS,
1:00:25but if they could use even the hardware it already has
1:00:29or with a new sensor to make this a more useful tool
1:00:32given our current era, I think it would be great.
1:00:36Whether or not they can do that, I don't know.
1:00:39As far as battery life versus thinness,
1:00:41and if they pull out the 3D touch, force touch layer,
1:00:45that will give them a little more space.
1:00:48I think battery life is pretty good on the Series 5.
1:00:50Now I have the big one.
1:00:51My wife has the smaller size and if she works out for say an hour, she's charging her watch
1:00:56you know, at dinner time most days.
1:00:58So I think while I personally would like to see the watch a little thinner, my guess is
1:01:04that they would maybe lean towards battery life, especially if sleep tracking is present
1:01:09or some other sensors that may take up additional power.
1:01:12I think they're, I can't imagine that Apple's willing to sort of level off on the battery
1:01:17life yet like they have on the iPad, right?
1:01:19iPads get 10 hours of battery life. That's how it's always been. Fuck the
1:01:22watch could expand that a little bit.
1:01:24Yeah, I don't think that we've hit the sweet spot for battery yet. Like it did
1:01:29happen. And then it changed again for a lot of people, right? The watchOS 6
1:01:35changed it. And obviously the always on display has changed a little bit, they
1:01:38could definitely go further. I don't think anyone's going to complain to get
1:01:42more right. Like it's definitely a product that could do always do with
1:01:45more battery life but just like if I was going to make a decision I don't have
1:01:50problems in the battery because I barely wear mine but when I do wear it I always
1:01:54want it to be a little thinner than it is. So that's the Series 6 I mean we'll
1:01:59get what we get on that one but then there is a talk of a new Apple Watch
1:02:05product to replace the Series 3 watch a lower end model to compete with
1:02:12companies like Fitbit. Now I'm assuming what that means is compete on price not
1:02:18on product offering and I guess the question is what is this product what
1:02:25does it cost and what does it do? Right? Is this an Apple watch? Like it's a
1:02:32watch? I think I think it is. It has to be a watch. I look at this the way maybe Apple
1:02:38looks at the iPhone right so until the new SE came along we had the 11 the 11
1:02:44Pro those phones and the 8 was just sitting there getting kind of older and
1:02:48older and I think that's where the Apple Watch series 3 is it's still for sale
1:02:52it's still a good watch but not the current design a little bit slower on
1:02:57the processor than the series 4 and series 5 and I could see Apple and one
1:03:03of these blog posts we're gonna put in the show notes even like floats the idea
1:03:06of Apple Watch SE is the name,
1:03:09of take that sort of classic design
1:03:12and give it more modern internals
1:03:14and keep the price really low.
1:03:15Because look, if you wanna spend three, four, $500
1:03:20on an Apple Watch, it's easy to do,
1:03:22but to really get down and like finish off Fitbit
1:03:25in terms of pricing, they've gotta be able
1:03:28to go less expensive than even the Series 3 is.
1:03:33So I think that would be a route they would go.
1:03:37Now, in terms of the thought,
1:03:39I think Myke, you were getting at, like, is it a watch?
1:03:40Like, is there room for Apple to do something
1:03:43like a wristband that does all the fitness stuff
1:03:47but doesn't have a screen and just, you know,
1:03:51deals like with an iPhone and the activity app or something?
1:03:54- I was also thinking that like,
1:03:56it could have a screen with some information on it,
1:03:59but it's different.
1:03:59I mean, like the Apple Watch Series 3
1:04:02starts at $199. How much cheaper can they go? Like, how much cheaper do they need to go? What is
1:04:09the Fitbit? Like, I don't know. I've never really looked at Fitbits. Like, how much cheaper do they
1:04:15need to be to continue to compete, right? Like, what is the Fitbits around that price, right? I
1:04:23mean, the Inspire 2 is maybe like $100. I don't know. So, the Fitbit Versa 3, which looks like
1:04:30like an Apple watch is $229 and then they go down from there.
1:04:36You know they've got, they keep older styles around the Versa 2 is still around and they
1:04:40have their stuff that's not really smart watches but more like traditional Fitbit and you can
1:04:46get down to $100.
1:04:47They're $69 even for the kids one.
1:04:49So I think it would be interesting for Apple to do a product like this.
1:04:54Honestly if Apple did one of these with no screen or like minimal screen then you could
1:05:01have all the activity stuff and then wear a traditional watch for those people who want
1:05:05to do that.
1:05:06I would kind of like them to make something that had all the sensors in and connected
1:05:10to my iPhone so I could wear whatever watch I wanted and then on the other wrist wear
1:05:14this like Apple band that just has the sensors.
1:05:19I would like that, right?
1:05:21Because that's effectively what I do with my Apple Watch.
1:05:23I don't really have any notifications to go to it.
1:05:26I just wear it for seeing the time, but any of my watches can do that and then
1:05:31just have the sensors going on.
1:05:32And I could imagine that being like a very interesting product, but here's the
1:05:37other part that I wanted to float by you too, right?
1:05:39The iPhone SE is a product that's like, oh, we made it because it's like, you
1:05:47know, this is the classic design, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:05:50Right.
1:05:51What if the Series 6 looks very different and the SE looks like how the Apple Watch
1:05:57quote unquote used to look and it's cheaper, right? Because the iPhone SE does not look like
1:06:02the current iPhone, never has, look like an old iPhone. So why would they need to introduce
1:06:08this product anyway? Like why could they not keep the Series 3 around and put a new chip in it or
1:06:16like what like you know what i mean like why do they need two watches that look the same but like
1:06:22this is it's already the current model like why like like the current idea is they have two watches
1:06:28one's cheaper one's not why do they need to introduce it as a separate product like what's the
1:06:33difference what's the value proposition why are they doing that yeah i don't know i mean maybe
1:06:38it's it's just a solidification of apple's like product strategy and if you give it a name like
1:06:45SE then it doesn't look as bad when you go to the Apple website. It's like, "Oh, I can
1:06:49choose between the Series 3 and the Series 6." I think you can update it, give it a slightly
1:06:55different name, and it'd be okay. In the eyes of people shopping, they don't feel like they're
1:07:00getting something that's three years old. So, I don't know. It's just so interesting
1:07:04because it feels like the watch could be on the verge of like really coming into its own
1:07:09in a new way and I wanted to. I mean I would, you know, I would love to see them continue to
1:07:14continue to expand it, reach more people with it. Yeah, I could go for... I was thinking that it
1:07:23would be interesting to see like a cheaper watch that has the modern design, so the Series 4 design,
1:07:29without the always-on display, but with modern chips inside. So not always on display, new design,
1:07:38modern chips and things like Always On and I don't know, what's like another new feature.
1:07:44Now maybe that's the, I guess, the one of the premium features that could still remain
1:07:51exclusive to the higher price line, but so something that has, just like the iPhone SE,
1:07:56has like modern components inside, but in this case I really feel like Apple should be moving
1:08:03away from the old Series 3 design of the Apple Watch with the squared off edges and all that.
1:08:10I really think they should, if they release a new one, I really think they should still
1:08:14have the latest design on this model.
1:08:20But I would understand if they were to cut some of the features from it, and it feels
1:08:25like the Always-On Display could be one of them.
1:08:28I don't know, it's your thought, Myke, that what if the Series 6 is entirely different?
1:08:35That is a very interesting idea that I hadn't considered before.
1:08:38Like what if they do this with the current design but then it's the Series 6 that's actually
1:08:43changing?
1:08:44I don't know how I feel about it.
1:08:47Maybe it's a little too early for the Apple Watch to change again?
1:08:50I don't know.
1:08:51But I don't think it's ever really changed.
1:08:53yeah series 4 brought in the like the UI goes to the edges kind of thing but it's
1:09:00I mean like you put a series 5 and a series 3 next to each other when the
1:09:03screens are not on and they look the same right like I have wanted for a
1:09:10while to see some some significant visible change in the Apple watches
1:09:16industrial design like it's it's a fashion item it shouldn't stay the same
1:09:21Like I would like to see something change, you know, like I know people don't like this idea, but I do
1:09:26I would like this I would like to see a round Apple watch. I just would I
1:09:30like round watches I
1:09:33Would like to see what Apple could do with a round Apple watch
1:09:36So the other thing that I just thought of is like what if the SE is basically the four?
1:09:42so they they take what you know is that they basically make an Apple watch where the
1:09:49the UI goes all the way to the edges and you know, it's a it's basically closer to the Apple watch series 4 than the series 3
1:09:57and then they move forward from there and the reason they give it a name is because
1:10:01There isn't a product like I'm not gonna put the series 5 down into that bracket because it's they can't make it that cheap yet
1:10:07But there is because they retired the series 4 there isn't a product to take it over
1:10:12So they create a quote unquote new product that's effectively an Apple watch series 4
1:10:17And call it the Apple watch se this is like the least exciting or interesting of the potential ideas that we've had in this
1:10:25Topic but maybe feels like the most logical based on like not wanting to keep dragging around the old UI design forever
1:10:32- so they don't have to keep supporting that going forward
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