The Accidental Tech Podcast

189: The Museum of Pristine Apple Hardware


00:00:00   let's take a pause here so i can adjust [TS]

00:00:01   my level Samarkand messing with my dolls [TS]

00:00:03   is killing me alright this is not [TS]

00:00:04   sounding better and that tends to work [TS]

00:00:07   on some girls is a volume dial and a [TS]

00:00:09   mixed aisle and like every time I think [TS]

00:00:11   I have you at the right volume than I [TS]

00:00:12   talking to I can't hear myself from [TS]

00:00:14   blasting my eardrums see this is so so [TS]

00:00:17   the rule of audio stuff is once you get [TS]

00:00:18   it working don't touch it never touch it [TS]

00:00:20   yeah I don't touch the dials but [TS]

00:00:22   somebody or some something touched my [TS]

00:00:24   dials and now I and the worst thing [TS]

00:00:28   about these thousands their tiny little [TS]

00:00:29   dials don't have markings on them so [TS]

00:00:31   even if i did like take a picture of [TS]

00:00:33   them like there's no there's not [TS]

00:00:34   yeah it wasn't with my suggestion was [TS]

00:00:36   gonna be like I actually earlier tonight [TS]

00:00:38   I yesterday I had to change one of the [TS]

00:00:39   settings on my audio interface so today [TS]

00:00:41   i was looking for for the show tonight I [TS]

00:00:43   went and looked at my picture that i [TS]

00:00:45   keep of it set up correctly and I [TS]

00:00:47   adjusted the knob that change earlier to [TS]

00:00:50   match the photo of my correct setup it's [TS]

00:00:53   something i highly recommend if you have [TS]

00:00:54   the ability to have an audio interface [TS]

00:00:56   where like it has knobs with lines on [TS]

00:00:58   them to show you where they are [TS]

00:01:00   so you can actually like kind of [TS]

00:01:01   basically save and restore state at the [TS]

00:01:03   most manual way possible [TS]

00:01:05   you remember this microphone looks like [TS]

00:01:07   the ones like it has these tiny little [TS]

00:01:09   like almost like a little horizontal [TS]

00:01:11   they're inside the device and only the [TS]

00:01:13   little curved part of them is peeking [TS]

00:01:15   out and there's no markings on them [TS]

00:01:17   it's no good the only thing I take [TS]

00:01:18   pictures of it that way is how cables [TS]

00:01:20   are connected in the back of my AV setup [TS]

00:01:22   and how things are arranged on shelves [TS]

00:01:26   ok the cables makes sense the shelves [TS]

00:01:29   like first of all how often do things [TS]

00:01:31   get moved on your shelves that this [TS]

00:01:33   would even be a problem in second of all [TS]

00:01:34   who cares surprisingly often i made like [TS]

00:01:37   what I resent it was flipped one of my [TS]

00:01:38   shelves big wooden shelves are like [TS]

00:01:39   Boeing and I want to flip it over right [TS]

00:01:41   and so I have to take a shot of the [TS]

00:01:44   shelf so I know everything goes then [TS]

00:01:45   take everything off seven fit over and [TS]

00:01:48   then put everything back on i went to [TS]

00:01:52   the apple store twice actually wants to [TS]

00:01:55   buy some dongles just to have them even [TS]

00:01:58   though I haven't really needed them yet [TS]

00:01:59   for ten dollars a pop one out by fuso [TS]

00:02:01   about 3 to sprinkle around the house / [TS]

00:02:03   cars and i briefly looked at the matte [TS]

00:02:06   black and remember this was before after [TS]

00:02:08   the show once before the last show and [TS]

00:02:10   it was pretty but i prefer the [TS]

00:02:12   aesthetics of [TS]

00:02:13   I'm sorry the jet black it was pretty [TS]

00:02:15   but i prefer the aesthetics of the matte [TS]

00:02:17   black so the jet-black definitely [TS]

00:02:18   good-looking phone prefer the mat but [TS]

00:02:20   then i think was during the show that [TS]

00:02:22   you guys didn't or at least you Marco [TS]

00:02:23   and I were talking about it and you and [TS]

00:02:25   you ask me or somebody asked me if if it [TS]

00:02:28   felt any tackier attack here in the [TS]

00:02:30   sense of like stickier if you will and [TS]

00:02:32   it occurred to me i didn't really pay [TS]

00:02:34   much attention to that which is kind of [TS]

00:02:35   crazy I don't know why I didn't think [TS]

00:02:36   about it but I went back to the apple [TS]

00:02:38   store and spent about 45 seconds there [TS]

00:02:41   and I grabbed the one jet black demo [TS]

00:02:46   units that they have and i'll tell you [TS]

00:02:48   what based on feel there is no question [TS]

00:02:51   that is the one to get without a shadow [TS]

00:02:53   of a doubt it feels so much better [TS]

00:02:55   tackiness wise stickiness wise if you [TS]

00:02:58   will then the matte black [TS]

00:03:00   I still think the matte black looks [TS]

00:03:01   better but o night and day the jet-black [TS]

00:03:05   feel so much better and you're [TS]

00:03:06   absolutely right so hashtag marco was [TS]

00:03:08   right all right i finally got one [TS]

00:03:11   I'm wrong about so many other things [TS]

00:03:13   yeah well you can't win em all sort of [TS]

00:03:17   kind of speaking of last we spoke you [TS]

00:03:19   seemed like you were starting to warm to [TS]

00:03:22   the home button [TS]

00:03:23   have you completely warm to it are you [TS]

00:03:26   back to give me the cold shoulder where [TS]

00:03:28   you standing with the home button it's [TS]

00:03:31   fine you know it's what I want to go [TS]

00:03:35   back and use an old phone now it feels [TS]

00:03:37   old [TS]

00:03:37   thanks a lot Apple you ruin buttons here [TS]

00:03:40   haha but uh so I I suppose that means I [TS]

00:03:44   like it [TS]

00:03:45   it is a little bit annoying that has [TS]

00:03:47   become that it it took something that [TS]

00:03:49   was reliable and and made it just a [TS]

00:03:53   little bit less than reliable and and [TS]

00:03:55   that's kinda mean this is you know the [TS]

00:03:56   the the motto of so many other things or [TS]

00:03:59   like this is like the the modus operandi [TS]

00:04:01   of like so much of the progress we've [TS]

00:04:02   made in these areas recently where like [TS]

00:04:05   yeah you don't you made the old thing [TS]

00:04:07   better than a lot of ways but but you [TS]

00:04:09   know worsen in some other you know [TS]

00:04:11   smaller maybe or less important to those [TS]

00:04:13   people way but anyway [TS]

00:04:15   overall I like it but i but I i do find [TS]

00:04:18   it unfortunate that it has become a [TS]

00:04:21   little bit less reliable than a regular [TS]

00:04:22   button do you find yourself means that [TS]

00:04:24   often because I definitely have had a [TS]

00:04:26   full of time maybe more than a couple [TS]

00:04:28   but every once in awhile i will find [TS]

00:04:31   that I think I've hit the button and the [TS]

00:04:32   phone does not agree but it's pretty [TS]

00:04:34   darn rare it but from the way you're [TS]

00:04:36   talking it sounds like it's somewhat [TS]

00:04:38   common for you know I mean I just hit [TS]

00:04:39   the button a lot you to me like this is [TS]

00:04:41   one of the problems I have with the [TS]

00:04:43   force touch trackpad on on the max and [TS]

00:04:46   is that the 46 trackpad took something [TS]

00:04:49   you know it if you were one of the [TS]

00:04:50   people who clicked in the bottom area of [TS]

00:04:53   the trackpad and I recognize the force [TS]

00:04:54   structure is better because you have you [TS]

00:04:56   can click anywhere on the surface but if [TS]

00:04:57   you if you were one of the people who [TS]

00:04:58   came along the old track where the [TS]

00:05:00   button is used to be below it so you hit [TS]

00:05:01   the button with your thumb and you movie [TS]

00:05:03   point with your index finger or [TS]

00:05:05   something or usually middle finger i [TS]

00:05:06   guess and then when they removed the [TS]

00:05:09   buttons they made the whole thing hinges [TS]

00:05:11   that way so that you could basically [TS]

00:05:12   leave your hand the same way it always [TS]

00:05:14   was [TS]

00:05:15   you could leave your thumb pushing down [TS]

00:05:17   on the bottom area where the button is [TS]

00:05:19   used to be and have that click and then [TS]

00:05:21   still move with your index and middle [TS]

00:05:22   finger so so if you're one of the people [TS]

00:05:25   who came along the old button felt great [TS]

00:05:28   because you were already clicking always [TS]

00:05:30   in the bottom area anyway so if you're [TS]

00:05:32   one of those people which of course I am [TS]

00:05:34   because we are all ancient complicated [TS]

00:05:36   people who like you snapchat and stuff [TS]

00:05:38   so if you're one of those people [TS]

00:05:40   the old one was incredibly reliable the [TS]

00:05:42   the idea that you would ever assuming [TS]

00:05:44   you don't use text click the idea that [TS]

00:05:46   you would ever like accidentally click [TS]

00:05:49   on something on the trackpad or or think [TS]

00:05:51   you're clicking but not have actually [TS]

00:05:53   clicked that literally would never [TS]

00:05:55   happen with the old ones and with force [TS]

00:05:58   touch trackpads that sometimes happens [TS]

00:06:00   similarly with the new home but on the [TS]

00:06:02   phones like it's really hard to [TS]

00:06:04   accidentally hit the home button on the [TS]

00:06:05   old phones like if you mean to hit you [TS]

00:06:07   hit and with this one like you can [TS]

00:06:10   occasionally accidentally push it where [TS]

00:06:12   you meant to maybe just touch it or you [TS]

00:06:15   meant to you know grip it a certain way [TS]

00:06:16   or you can accidentally triple-click [TS]

00:06:19   when you want to double click or single [TS]

00:06:20   clicker or vice versa you can [TS]

00:06:22   accidentally trigger serie if you didn't [TS]

00:06:24   mean to you can actually this is a [TS]

00:06:25   frequent accident trigger reach ability [TS]

00:06:26   by you know but if you think you're [TS]

00:06:28   pushing it or think you're holding it I [TS]

00:06:30   think your double pressing it but you [TS]

00:06:31   have to get double contacted it's [TS]

00:06:33   whatever their disability things up so [TS]

00:06:35   basically they took something that that [TS]

00:06:37   again was a mechanically general [TS]

00:06:40   reliable thing and and made it do the [TS]

00:06:43   wrong thing maybe one percent of the [TS]

00:06:45   time for me it's very frustrating when [TS]

00:06:48   an input device doesn't respond a [TS]

00:06:51   hundred percent of the time correctly [TS]

00:06:52   because we use input devices so much on [TS]

00:06:56   these computers & and we use them to [TS]

00:06:57   command them to do things that if like [TS]

00:07:00   if you hit if you hit the keyboard if [TS]

00:07:02   you hit the same key over and over again [TS]

00:07:03   and every like one of 40 times like the [TS]

00:07:07   H throws out a day instead like your [TS]

00:07:10   label this this is the worst keyboard [TS]

00:07:11   ever like why would you tolerate that [TS]

00:07:13   right i feel like i have a very very [TS]

00:07:15   high standard for how I expect my input [TS]

00:07:19   devices to be how reliable expect them [TS]

00:07:21   to be and it does annoy me when we we [TS]

00:07:25   make progress but at the cost of that [TS]

00:07:27   reliability that we used to have and [TS]

00:07:30   anything less than a hundred percent [TS]

00:07:31   reliability for me is annoying and it [TS]

00:07:34   doesn't that's not to say that i won't [TS]

00:07:35   just deal with it it like when the new [TS]

00:07:37   laptops come out forever from now on [TS]

00:07:40   whenever then whenever the new laptops [TS]

00:07:42   come out i'm probably gonna buy one even [TS]

00:07:44   though it's almost certainly going to [TS]

00:07:45   have the same force touch trackpad we've [TS]

00:07:47   had and I'm just gonna have to suck it [TS]

00:07:49   up and deal with it and it'll be fine [TS]

00:07:50   just in you know just like I'm probably [TS]

00:07:52   never going to mention the home button [TS]

00:07:54   being unreliable a little bit on the [TS]

00:07:56   iphone 7 probably never gonna mention it [TS]

00:07:58   again because I'm just gonna get used to [TS]

00:07:59   it and i'll just be a little bit annoyed [TS]

00:08:01   whatever it doesn't work then just move [TS]

00:08:02   on with my day [TS]

00:08:02   right but we are losing something here [TS]

00:08:05   by making things that were a hundred [TS]

00:08:06   percent reliable ninety-nine percent [TS]

00:08:08   reliable and that that's all [TS]

00:08:10   but but overall i'm i'm ok with it look [TS]

00:08:12   like the idea that you're never gonna [TS]

00:08:14   mention it again [TS]

00:08:15   yeah that's that's me I maybe I should [TS]

00:08:17   guarantee that seems very unlikely but [TS]

00:08:19   you know just just just again just to [TS]

00:08:21   restate like the the summary here [TS]

00:08:24   overall I like the new button i do like [TS]

00:08:26   the taptic engine a lot overall and am I [TS]

00:08:29   want to go back the old one does feel [TS]

00:08:31   old [TS]

00:08:32   so you know they got me right and i I'm [TS]

00:08:34   I'm sold [TS]

00:08:35   however it is a little annoying that [TS]

00:08:37   can't be that can't be a hundred percent [TS]

00:08:39   reliable so I don't know about this home [TS]

00:08:41   buttons i still haven't tried it but as [TS]

00:08:43   for the trackbed I continue to say that [TS]

00:08:45   you will eventually look back on the [TS]

00:08:47   mechanical ones and think they're [TS]

00:08:48   barbaric and I would [TS]

00:08:49   add that for most people maybe not you [TS]

00:08:51   but for most people i've seen and myself [TS]

00:08:52   included using the mechanical one [TS]

00:08:54   whether it was the button or the one [TS]

00:08:56   where didn't have a button but the whole [TS]

00:08:57   thing slanted not a hundred percent [TS]

00:08:59   reliable very frequently attempt to [TS]

00:09:01   click and not actually click if you're [TS]

00:09:03   if you're not using tap to click happens [TS]

00:09:05   to me every once in a while I seem to [TS]

00:09:06   happen to people all the time so it's [TS]

00:09:09   not as there's more to the reliability [TS]

00:09:12   than just like if you successfully [TS]

00:09:14   actuate the mechanism you will you will [TS]

00:09:17   do a click and because that's true of [TS]

00:09:19   anything you sexually at successfully [TS]

00:09:21   activate the mechanism on the non-moving [TS]

00:09:22   button you'll successfully get a home [TS]

00:09:24   button press or whatever it's just a [TS]

00:09:26   question of two people sometimes go [TS]

00:09:28   forward and fail to do it and the answer [TS]

00:09:30   for those real buttons yes I mean maybe [TS]

00:09:32   the percentage was different for you but [TS]

00:09:34   it's it's not as if anything is a [TS]

00:09:36   hundred percent reliable when it comes [TS]

00:09:38   to translating intention and hand action [TS]

00:09:42   into like the desired result [TS]

00:09:44   yeah i gotta say i almost never run into [TS]

00:09:47   problems like i said earlier a couple of [TS]

00:09:49   times a new home button have because [TS]

00:09:51   I've hit in such a way that maybe I've [TS]

00:09:53   hit solely the the quote-unquote button [TS]

00:09:56   itself and i haven't had any contact [TS]

00:09:57   with the ring around it but very rarely [TS]

00:10:00   drive any problems with the home button [TS]

00:10:03   and i cannot remember a time where I've [TS]

00:10:04   had an unintentional fire or a lack of [TS]

00:10:07   fire on the force touch trackpad so you [TS]

00:10:09   must be a a trackpad wizard in a bad way [TS]

00:10:12   because you are the only one that can [TS]

00:10:14   find these issues not the only one but [TS]

00:10:16   the only one I've heard of that is found [TS]

00:10:18   these issues so congrats i guess not [TS]

00:10:20   really sure where to go from here right [TS]

00:10:22   you still don't have a force to attract [TS]

00:10:24   better than the one you use for podcast [TS]

00:10:26   editing right the magic trackpad that's [TS]

00:10:27   right so i think that's also influenced [TS]

00:10:29   me because we have one of those might [TS]

00:10:30   attract rights to know i hit track guys [TS]

00:10:32   in general and I don't really like the [TS]

00:10:33   magic trackpad either but I think once [TS]

00:10:35   you get the new laptops that are [TS]

00:10:36   assuming they will someday release and [TS]

00:10:38   it has the trackbed that's I think it's [TS]

00:10:40   when you're real transition is going to [TS]

00:10:41   because i was wondering like why is your [TS]

00:10:42   opinion is not getting better and yet [TS]

00:10:44   the only thing you're using is that [TS]

00:10:45   thing i find that thing frustrating in [TS]

00:10:47   the very frequently am i'm trying to [TS]

00:10:49   press anywhere on the thing to make it [TS]

00:10:51   click and it just doesn't it it feels [TS]

00:10:53   like I'm pressing against the wall that [TS]

00:10:55   doesn't movie i know it does little [TS]

00:10:57   vibration thing and you know [TS]

00:10:58   and eventually works by just in feels so [TS]

00:11:01   much more awkward to me and to press it [TS]

00:11:04   anywhere in a way that it doesn't when I [TS]

00:11:06   use the forest trackpads on the big [TS]

00:11:08   laptops [TS]

00:11:09   yeah i mean look like the the home [TS]

00:11:11   button turns out after use it for like a [TS]

00:11:13   day you completely stopped noticing it [TS]

00:11:16   as as a thing that is different [TS]

00:11:18   except for when it was the wrong thing [TS]

00:11:19   but overall it is really not a [TS]

00:11:22   substantial problem at all and in some [TS]

00:11:24   ways that benefit so it is not every if [TS]

00:11:26   you don't yet have an iphone 7 the home [TS]

00:11:28   button change is not a good enough [TS]

00:11:31   reason to not get one if that was your [TS]

00:11:33   only reason what i would say yeah i mean [TS]

00:11:36   i prefer it now and yes we spoke about [TS]

00:11:38   last episode I hated it for the first [TS]

00:11:41   domino day or so and then I've quickly [TS]

00:11:44   come around now I freaking love it and [TS]

00:11:45   like you said that the little tactic [TS]

00:11:47   touches that are throughout the OS like [TS]

00:11:49   on spinners and things like that a [TS]

00:11:51   really really like them i think they're [TS]

00:11:52   really well done i'm looking forward to [TS]

00:11:54   those little tactic touches its kind of [TS]

00:11:57   proliferating through third-party apps [TS]

00:11:59   as well so we'll see [TS]

00:12:01   moving on a listener Sid sent me an [TS]

00:12:04   email and i think this one only to me [TS]

00:12:06   earlier today they had the same weird [TS]

00:12:09   issue with their I'm act with with their [TS]

00:12:12   5k imac and wc ram and apparently they [TS]

00:12:16   had gone back and forth with owc trying [TS]

00:12:19   different sticks and then just recently [TS]

00:12:22   they sent an email to me forward an [TS]

00:12:25   email to me from owc and it said a few [TS]

00:12:28   things but most interestingly this is [TS]

00:12:30   from owc we have recently located a [TS]

00:12:32   coding fault in these modules and are [TS]

00:12:35   currently refreshing our stock in order [TS]

00:12:37   to rectify this [TS]

00:12:38   I don't know what a coding fault is in [TS]

00:12:41   terms of ram maybe one of you guys do [TS]

00:12:42   but it seems that something genuinely [TS]

00:12:44   was broken with the ram and they've [TS]

00:12:47   recognized it and they're trying to fix [TS]

00:12:49   it [TS]

00:12:50   my computer had been up I think tender [TS]

00:12:53   15 ish days before i installed Sierra [TS]

00:12:55   it's been eight days since then i [TS]

00:12:58   wouldn't call that an absolute victory [TS]

00:13:00   for my replacement sticks which i did [TS]

00:13:02   get from owc but certainly all signs are [TS]

00:13:05   pointing to good news and so I just [TS]

00:13:08   thought that was kinda interesting do [TS]

00:13:09   you guys have any idea what a coating [TS]

00:13:10   fault would mean and [TS]

00:13:12   terms of ram I mean there's probably [TS]

00:13:14   some kind of like timing and stuff like [TS]

00:13:16   you know Ram obviously everything every [TS]

00:13:18   component in the computer is now way [TS]

00:13:20   more complicated than it used to be or [TS]

00:13:22   way more complicated than we think it is [TS]

00:13:23   so like this product I you know a ram [TS]

00:13:25   stick could have firmware for all I know [TS]

00:13:27   who knows i get it you know the ram has [TS]

00:13:29   all these like tight timings and [TS]

00:13:30   controllers and everything in them so it [TS]

00:13:32   you know it could be it could be lots of [TS]

00:13:34   things like that [TS]

00:13:35   fair enough John you don't have anything [TS]

00:13:36   to add i assume i have no idea what a [TS]

00:13:39   coding fault is configured enough [TS]

00:13:41   already [TS]

00:13:41   at least i'm not alone that makes me [TS]

00:13:43   feel slightly better right moving on we [TS]

00:13:46   also got word that from Scott Riley [TS]

00:13:49   among other people that the headphone [TS]

00:13:51   jack issue that he had reported in 1000 [TS]

00:13:54   has been fixed intento de su so if you [TS]

00:13:57   recall if you had your i believe it's [TS]

00:13:59   only with the dongles that right are [TS]

00:14:01   generally speaking with the dongle you [TS]

00:14:03   had some headphones like perhaps the [TS]

00:14:05   older earbuds plugged into the Lightning [TS]

00:14:08   to headphone dongle and you pause [TS]

00:14:10   something and let it sit for five more [TS]

00:14:12   minutes then the buttons on the [TS]

00:14:14   headphones would not allow you to [TS]

00:14:16   unpause them or unpause the the playback [TS]

00:14:18   in so Scott and Scott Riley as reported [TS]

00:14:20   in that this is now fixed so good news [TS]

00:14:23   cool I'm excited about that Eduardo [TS]

00:14:25   Pellegrino road in to talk to us about [TS]

00:14:28   how volume works on bluetooth so I don't [TS]

00:14:32   know Marco you want to take care of this [TS]

00:14:33   yeah I'll go over quickly basically [TS]

00:14:35   we're discussing in previous episodes [TS]

00:14:36   about the question of whether bluetooth [TS]

00:14:39   was recoding the audio to be sent over [TS]

00:14:41   the air to between the phone bluetooth [TS]

00:14:43   headsets one of the issues raised if you [TS]

00:14:45   if you tried not to re-encode the audio [TS]

00:14:47   was that we said you probably couldn't [TS]

00:14:49   change the volume of water Pellegrino [TS]

00:14:51   wrote in to basically tell us that with [TS]

00:14:52   any modern blue peripheral the digital [TS]

00:14:54   signal is a full amplitude and the [TS]

00:14:56   volume controls being applied only at [TS]

00:14:58   the headset volume level is negotiated [TS]

00:15:01   between the phone and the headset [TS]

00:15:03   there's all sorts of stuff involved in [TS]

00:15:05   the avrcp spec almost every in almost [TS]

00:15:08   every case of modern bluetooth [TS]

00:15:10   headphones the signals being sent at [TS]

00:15:13   full volume from the phone and the [TS]

00:15:15   headphone itself is applying the the [TS]

00:15:17   volume reduction or whatever to it that [TS]

00:15:20   shows you could be sending the AC more [TS]

00:15:21   easily but like it [TS]

00:15:23   the the important part of the volume [TS]

00:15:24   things [TS]

00:15:25   talk about her like out sometimes you [TS]

00:15:26   can just like the volume your control [TS]

00:15:28   the volume on your phone and changes in [TS]

00:15:30   your headphones that that's actually [TS]

00:15:31   working in the opposite direction that [TS]

00:15:33   when you do that it's the headset and [TS]

00:15:35   the phone negotiating that when they [TS]

00:15:38   press the volume buttons on the phone [TS]

00:15:40   send a signal to the headphones like the [TS]

00:15:42   phone is controlling the headphone [TS]

00:15:43   volume the headphones are controlling [TS]

00:15:45   the phone volume and I mean right like [TS]

00:15:47   when you press that button you're [TS]

00:15:48   actually sending a signal to the head [TS]

00:15:49   phones to say hello back over the phone [TS]

00:15:51   they said they want the volume lower and [TS]

00:15:53   then the phone that the headset the [TS]

00:15:54   bluetooth device itself lowest volume [TS]

00:15:56   then we also heard word a or we've [TS]

00:16:00   already heard word there are three [TS]

00:16:01   digital-to-analog converters in the [TS]

00:16:04   iphone 7 and we weren't really sure why [TS]

00:16:07   and we got some feedback with the theory [TS]

00:16:09   market you want to talk about this [TS]

00:16:10   yeah this was this was i think one of my [TS]

00:16:12   favorite thing i heard this week so we [TS]

00:16:16   have an email back and it was from [TS]

00:16:17   somebody who want to remain anonymous [TS]

00:16:18   but it seemed like they kind of had this [TS]

00:16:20   as like known information not [TS]

00:16:22   speculation but the the so there are [TS]

00:16:25   basically three audio chips in the [TS]

00:16:27   iphone 7 we couldn't figure out with a [TS]

00:16:28   thermistor really well maybe they're [TS]

00:16:30   using it like just freaking news for [TS]

00:16:32   cable routing whatever else so this [TS]

00:16:33   person to tell us that was actually used [TS]

00:16:35   for is the taptic engine it seems like [TS]

00:16:38   it might just behave like a speaker coil [TS]

00:16:41   you know you have at the the coils that [TS]

00:16:43   that move the stuff around inside of it [TS]

00:16:46   to make the field vibrate the commands [TS]

00:16:48   that the phone is sending to the taptic [TS]

00:16:50   engine it seems like it's doing it via [TS]

00:16:52   audio signaling it's just it's not a [TS]

00:16:55   speaker it's just a vibrating you know [TS]

00:16:57   weight or whatever it is in there but [TS]

00:16:59   isn't that like that to me that sounds [TS]

00:17:01   really cool is it that such a brilliant [TS]

00:17:03   act like that is that what you guys are [TS]

00:17:05   sooo meant to [TS]

00:17:06   that's what I assume the taptic engine [TS]

00:17:08   always was because it is basically [TS]

00:17:09   speaker without the cone when you have a [TS]

00:17:10   speaker its best thing moving back and [TS]

00:17:12   forth but there's no paper cone or [TS]

00:17:13   whatever moving air so that's what [TS]

00:17:15   always looks like it looks like a big [TS]

00:17:16   magnet coil of wire type thingy [TS]

00:17:19   yeah and so if you think about like you [TS]

00:17:20   know like how how the phone would drive [TS]

00:17:21   that it's it's basically sending it like [TS]

00:17:23   midi notes almost like you eat whatever [TS]

00:17:26   you're feeling the phone like uh and and [TS]

00:17:29   like it's instead of being a cone that's [TS]

00:17:31   providing that set a sound it is [TS]

00:17:33   vibrating the thing inside at the [TS]

00:17:34   probably like you know one or two six [TS]

00:17:36   frequencies and just like dealing with [TS]

00:17:37   the timing industry [TS]

00:17:38   then everything that I think that's [TS]

00:17:39   really cool yeah I never thought of it [TS]

00:17:41   that way but that is super awesome and [TS]

00:17:43   is there some difference in the way the [TS]

00:17:46   taptic engine is is working that maybe [TS]

00:17:48   the new one is much better and that's [TS]

00:17:50   why it's you don't get that that control [TS]

00:17:52   in that API for the success taptic [TS]

00:17:54   engine isn't that the case that the [TS]

00:17:56   success taptic engine you don't get any [TS]

00:17:58   control over as a developer but the [TS]

00:17:59   seven you do that yet basically or at [TS]

00:18:02   least the success you have very little [TS]

00:18:03   control and the Seven you have basically [TS]

00:18:05   full control you should look at the [TS]

00:18:07   seven to see if it has a an audio thing [TS]

00:18:10   for the taptic engine maybe does or it [TS]

00:18:13   could be that the old ones just [TS]

00:18:14   basically on off in the only way you get [TS]

00:18:16   different sort of vibration themes or [TS]

00:18:19   sequences by going on often different [TS]

00:18:21   frequencies whereas this one we could [TS]

00:18:23   dig through iOS maybe you could find [TS]

00:18:24   like the audio samples that they send to [TS]

00:18:26   the virtual speaker that is the taptic [TS]

00:18:28   engine rather than just going on off on [TS]

00:18:29   off on off just send tones or [TS]

00:18:32   frequencies or sounds a bit will be a [TS]

00:18:34   good jailbreak hack if you could play [TS]

00:18:35   music through the haptic engine and see [TS]

00:18:36   what does that like the floppy disk [TS]

00:18:39   performances have the olden days [TS]

00:18:42   that's the story you can like feel a [TS]

00:18:44   song you know you can eat party at least [TS]

00:18:46   feeling basic rhythm you know it's like [TS]

00:18:47   it basically is like a like a fairly in [TS]

00:18:51   precise and different output type of [TS]

00:18:53   speaker and that's pretty cool [TS]

00:18:54   I i think this is a really cool thing to [TS]

00:18:56   it to learn yeah i'm curious to see if [TS]

00:18:58   they give us any more control over time [TS]

00:18:59   I can't imagine that they would put man [TS]

00:19:02   with that we need to be able to do you [TS]

00:19:03   know have some more fine-grained control [TS]

00:19:05   over it [TS]

00:19:05   assistive touch so we've been talking [TS]

00:19:09   about this quite a bit and there's been [TS]

00:19:12   a couple of new theories as to why I [TS]

00:19:15   guess this is happening John do you want [TS]

00:19:16   to talk about this is just a couple that [TS]

00:19:18   we left out in the last discussion of [TS]

00:19:20   why assistive touch so prevalent in east [TS]

00:19:24   asia and one idea was that [TS]

00:19:28   that's the parts that are in the iphones [TS]

00:19:30   in that region sort of the non United [TS]

00:19:34   States Europe regions are the criteria [TS]

00:19:36   parts now I can understand why this [TS]

00:19:41   would be something that happens in like [TS]

00:19:43   me you're selling into you know markets [TS]

00:19:46   that you sell lesson that you make less [TS]

00:19:48   money and [TS]

00:19:49   you have parts that are not as good you [TS]

00:19:50   might sell the creditor ones into the [TS]

00:19:52   market where you make less money it [TS]

00:19:54   doesn't seem like a thing that apple [TS]

00:19:56   would ever do it seems to me that Apple [TS]

00:19:58   has a certain quality control procedure [TS]

00:20:00   and they just applied to all their [TS]

00:20:01   products and that's that but but who [TS]

00:20:03   knows maybe they know better than I do [TS]

00:20:04   but there's also sounds like one of the [TS]

00:20:06   things like so many companies have done [TS]

00:20:08   that they just assume everybody does it [TS]

00:20:10   I'm not sure if it's true of Apple but [TS]

00:20:13   that would explain like you know we are [TS]

00:20:14   home buttons are worse than yours [TS]

00:20:15   essentially like I live in Thailand and [TS]

00:20:18   our home buttons break more than yours [TS]

00:20:20   do because we get the crappy home [TS]

00:20:21   buttons and you don't [TS]

00:20:22   setting aside like you know the iphone 4 [TS]

00:20:24   was bad for everybody right so that's [TS]

00:20:26   one idea another idea heard put forth is [TS]

00:20:29   it's really humid here and humid [TS]

00:20:31   destroys our electronics sooner than [TS]

00:20:34   yours like always going towards the [TS]

00:20:35   notion that empirically home buttons do [TS]

00:20:39   not last as long in this region of the [TS]

00:20:41   world either because they're getting [TS]

00:20:43   cheaper parts or because they're getting [TS]

00:20:44   the same parts and they get messed up by [TS]

00:20:46   humanity now both of these sound like [TS]

00:20:49   things that sound plausible but don't [TS]

00:20:51   really don't don't really make that much [TS]

00:20:54   sense to me because I can tell you in [TS]

00:20:56   the United States at least we have [TS]

00:20:57   plenty of humidity just ask casey i [TS]

00:20:59   think we have me in places that about [TS]

00:21:01   anybody you don't hear about people in [TS]

00:21:03   Louisiana and Georgia having home [TS]

00:21:05   buttons that fail more often than people [TS]

00:21:07   in Arizona right so I don't think that's [TS]

00:21:09   it and the cheaper parts thing on only [TS]

00:21:11   Apple knows for sure right it's not like [TS]

00:21:12   they're going to admit this but it just [TS]

00:21:14   doesn't seem like a thing that apple [TS]

00:21:15   would do I think they have you know for [TS]

00:21:17   all their suppliers have quality control [TS]

00:21:19   standards and just apply them [TS]

00:21:20   universally and if they don't meet the [TS]

00:21:22   quality standards they you know send [TS]

00:21:24   them back around and recycle things and [TS]

00:21:26   try again [TS]

00:21:27   that makes sense so we've gotten word [TS]

00:21:29   that in iOS 10 iCloud backup so really [TS]

00:21:33   restores i guess i should say now [TS]

00:21:35   include passwords now if you recall and [TS]

00:21:38   i think i first heard this from Marco [TS]

00:21:39   years ago but all three of us had [TS]

00:21:41   recommended that if you're going to back [TS]

00:21:43   up your phone [TS]

00:21:44   the most reliable or / maybe perhaps [TS]

00:21:46   easiest way to do it is to backup with [TS]

00:21:49   itunes and ensure that you've checked [TS]

00:21:51   the encrypt backups checkbox and so this [TS]

00:21:54   made this password protects your backups [TS]

00:21:57   and then because it's password-protected [TS]

00:21:58   Apple feels like [TS]

00:22:00   Oh in this case I guess we can include [TS]

00:22:02   like Wi-Fi passwords and things like [TS]

00:22:04   that in the back up if you don't encrypt [TS]

00:22:06   your backup then the backup will not [TS]

00:22:08   include Wi-Fi passwords and things of [TS]

00:22:09   that nature which makes sense now [TS]

00:22:11   apparently I in iOS 10 iCloud backups [TS]

00:22:15   and restores now include passwords which [TS]

00:22:17   is excellent i didn't know that was a [TS]

00:22:18   thing you have to learn to read the code [TS]

00:22:20   of the note the show notes one of the [TS]

00:22:22   trends actually say they don't say I i [TS]

00:22:24   was ten my cloud restores now included [TS]

00:22:26   passwords right what do they say I see a [TS]

00:22:29   question mark at the end of that [TS]

00:22:30   sentence iOS 10 iCloud restores now [TS]

00:22:32   include passwords ? at the end because i [TS]

00:22:37   have heard this as well none of us have [TS]

00:22:40   actually confirmed it but I seen a [TS]

00:22:43   couple of tweets that effect that not [TS]

00:22:44   tried it myself but in theory they now [TS]

00:22:48   include passwords i was only one of you [TS]

00:22:49   knew for sure if you had done it but [TS]

00:22:50   anyway no but I've heard this in [TS]

00:22:52   independently several different times [TS]

00:22:54   now [TS]

00:22:54   yeah i know im just understanding go and [TS]

00:22:56   look it up an apple site and I haven't [TS]

00:22:57   done it myself so don't tell people hey [TS]

00:22:59   don't worry about just use iCloud will [TS]

00:23:00   have everything but I seems like fingers [TS]

00:23:02   crossed this will be the last update [TS]

00:23:04   where we were you have to hear the the [TS]

00:23:06   spiel from everybody who's on a tech [TS]

00:23:08   podcast saying oh make sure you do an [TS]

00:23:09   encrypted itunes backup and I like this [TS]

00:23:11   because i hate itunes backup I hate the [TS]

00:23:13   fact that i connect my thing at the time [TS]

00:23:15   that says it failed to connect the [TS]

00:23:16   device or backup failed for some reason [TS]

00:23:18   that you can't control it just reboot [TS]

00:23:19   everything and cross your fingers i hate [TS]

00:23:21   it so much [TS]

00:23:22   really yes it's the work you know maybe [TS]

00:23:23   you should get a newer mac because i [TS]

00:23:25   don't have anything that said on a 5k [TS]

00:23:26   imac is a five-year contract with an [TS]

00:23:28   iphone like a success plus really like [TS]

00:23:30   my wife's device in my kids devices is [TS]

00:23:34   completely inscrutable and I kind of [TS]

00:23:36   know like the one I can't connect to the [TS]

00:23:37   process on the phone and I just messed [TS]

00:23:39   up you just have to like reboot them [TS]

00:23:40   both and just get it just stores and [TS]

00:23:42   halftime fails in the middle for some [TS]

00:23:44   reason it's like well I couldn't do it [TS]

00:23:46   sorry and it's always had like 20 [TS]

00:23:47   minutes of incredibly slow transfer over [TS]

00:23:50   USB two speeds from this hate it so much [TS]

00:23:52   so i'll be very happy to have this bi [TS]

00:23:55   cloud thing that that is first [TS]

00:23:56   terrible's iCloud restore is where it [TS]

00:23:58   takes forever dear apps to come back and [TS]

00:24:00   everything at least did in my experience [TS]

00:24:02   it runs unattended so i could start the [TS]

00:24:04   restore and then go to sleep and leave [TS]

00:24:06   it plugged in and wake up and hopefully [TS]

00:24:08   we'll be done where is now the itunes [TS]

00:24:10   it's like make an attempt come back and [TS]

00:24:13   5 10 50 [TS]

00:24:14   minutes to see if it failed it has do a [TS]

00:24:16   bunch of rain dances make another [TS]

00:24:18   attempt [TS]

00:24:18   I really don't like itunes interaction [TS]

00:24:20   with iOS devices at all never really [TS]

00:24:22   liked it and just getting worse [TS]

00:24:23   that's so weird to me because I almost [TS]

00:24:25   never have any issues with with itunes [TS]

00:24:28   backups and i have heard although I have [TS]

00:24:31   not seen this with my own eyes I've [TS]

00:24:32   heard numerous people complaining and [TS]

00:24:35   moaning about how terrible and flaky I [TS]

00:24:37   iCloud backup sorry well backups and [TS]

00:24:39   restores and I mean it doesn't mean [TS]

00:24:41   you're wrong doesn't mean I'm right it's [TS]

00:24:42   surprising that your experience seems to [TS]

00:24:44   be the opposite of everything I've heard [TS]

00:24:45   also i mean we have a lot of you know [TS]

00:24:47   friends and at least two of the host of [TS]

00:24:49   the show are early adopters you like to [TS]

00:24:51   buy things on day one and on day one [TS]

00:24:53   sometimes the IDI cloud servers get [TS]

00:24:56   overloaded or the app store service get [TS]

00:24:58   overloaded and things don't quite work [TS]

00:24:59   reliably and so you know we had a one [TS]

00:25:02   people will all will usually have more [TS]

00:25:06   reliable experiences without with itunes [TS]

00:25:08   backup and restore in that case because [TS]

00:25:10   we're avoiding all those day one server [TS]

00:25:11   hassles whereas John who buys phones [TS]

00:25:13   when they're you know 3 34 years old [TS]

00:25:15   once he's really sure that everything is [TS]

00:25:17   safe about them you know he he by that [TS]

00:25:19   point that everything has calmed down [TS]

00:25:21   with servers and he doesn't those issues [TS]

00:25:22   now the main reason the reason I was [TS]

00:25:24   safe for people to see if I could have [TS]

00:25:27   ios and icloud three stores now have [TS]

00:25:28   passwords on them as we think the main [TS]

00:25:31   reason to do is to save as the space [TS]

00:25:33   because the backups are big trip like [TS]

00:25:35   they're not the full size of your [TS]

00:25:37   storage you know we have various you [TS]

00:25:38   know if endings and maybe not transfer [TS]

00:25:40   purchases or whatever but they're big [TS]

00:25:42   enough that if you have a family full of [TS]

00:25:44   iOS devices you have a single mac with a [TS]

00:25:46   regular person size of SD you're wasting [TS]

00:25:49   a huge amount of your SSD Space nine are [TS]

00:25:51   wasting right but you're using a huge [TS]

00:25:53   amount of your SSD space for device [TS]

00:25:54   backups say you get a family with a [TS]

00:25:56   bunch of 128 gig devices and you back [TS]

00:26:00   them all up to a single mac that you [TS]

00:26:01   said all just got the 500 gig SSD you [TS]

00:26:04   will use all of your space for iOS [TS]

00:26:07   device backups and I'm not you know the [TS]

00:26:09   cloud is not a perfect backup and [TS]

00:26:10   cambios to and if you really care about [TS]

00:26:12   the stuff that's on your phone have [TS]

00:26:14   multiple backup so on and so forth but [TS]

00:26:16   it always annoys me when I'm like [TS]

00:26:18   discriminatory acts that ancient program [TS]

00:26:20   it still works or any other programs [TS]

00:26:21   that show you like the tree map of your [TS]

00:26:23   hard drive with the you know area on [TS]

00:26:25   this little area [TS]

00:26:27   the rectangles representing sighs and I [TS]

00:26:28   see the giant thing for you know Mobile [TS]

00:26:31   back-up whatever that folder is I think [TS]

00:26:33   don't need all those backups how many [TS]

00:26:35   backups do I have and I just you know [TS]

00:26:36   you can go to go in items and delete [TS]

00:26:38   them into them out but they take up a [TS]

00:26:39   lot of room so I will be very happy when [TS]

00:26:42   I can sort of allow iCloud to be my main [TS]

00:26:46   backup for my thing and only back after [TS]

00:26:48   Mac periodically as like a belt and [TS]

00:26:50   suspenders typing like once every few [TS]

00:26:52   months and only keep one backup not keep [TS]

00:26:53   not keep like backups you know 7recent [TS]

00:26:57   back that's just one an emergency [TS]

00:26:58   because for the most part most of the [TS]

00:27:00   data that's on my phone should be [TS]

00:27:03   elsewhere all the photos go to [TS]

00:27:04   photostream photostream goes to photos [TS]

00:27:06   photos gets backed up in 17 million [TS]

00:27:07   places because of my crazy photos back [TS]

00:27:09   those photos are fine everything else [TS]

00:27:11   like notes and stuff like that is in [TS]

00:27:13   theory backed up locally on my mac these [TS]

00:27:15   are sinking to the same account in fact [TS]

00:27:16   multiple macs so I feel like I just [TS]

00:27:18   still have multiple backups and I'm [TS]

00:27:20   totally ready to not waste my SSD space [TS]

00:27:23   with itunes backups as soon as I can we [TS]

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00:27:36   the past tracker is a little coin-sized [TS]

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00:27:44   you have in seconds just pair tracker to [TS]

00:27:47   your smartphone attach it to an object [TS]

00:27:48   and then you can find precise location [TS]

00:27:51   by tapping a button on your phone it's [TS]

00:27:53   that easy [TS]

00:27:54   it also works the other way if you lose [TS]

00:27:56   your phone but you have one of the [TS]

00:27:58   tracker objects nearby the actual [TS]

00:27:59   tracker has a button on it press that [TS]

00:28:01   button and then your phone will make a [TS]

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00:28:14   them on you know just your keys or just [TS]

00:28:16   your phone or you put them on like lots [TS]

00:28:18   of things all over your house lots of [TS]

00:28:19   stuff that you know that you tend to [TS]

00:28:21   lose around the house [TS]

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00:28:57   sponsoring our show last week we talked [TS]

00:29:03   about the rumors of apple investing in [TS]

00:29:06   and are buying McLaren and whether we [TS]

00:29:07   thought that was a good idea or what [TS]

00:29:09   Apple would get out of it and we got a [TS]

00:29:12   lot of feedback about it and i would say [TS]

00:29:14   the vast majority of the feedback was [TS]

00:29:16   telling us that we don't understand what [TS]

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00:29:19   would be happy to have them the common [TS]

00:29:22   threads they're pointed out is did you [TS]

00:29:24   know mcLaren has an f1 team and everyone [TS]

00:29:27   is really technically advanced and [TS]

00:29:29   computers and engine control units and [TS]

00:29:32   telemetry data from all the f1's like [TS]

00:29:34   basically the idea that formula one is a [TS]

00:29:37   very high-tech thing McLaren is a [TS]

00:29:39   high-tech companies not a bunch of [TS]

00:29:40   people with crazy overalls slapping [TS]

00:29:42   together cars there a tech company at [TS]

00:29:44   second angle on that is you know they're [TS]

00:29:46   not they're not actually even a car [TS]

00:29:48   company they're basically a technology [TS]

00:29:50   company just like Apple it happened to [TS]

00:29:51   make cars their manufacturing expertise [TS]

00:29:54   in terms of pushing the limits on new [TS]

00:29:57   materials and how to build build cars in [TS]

00:29:59   new ways that new materials was touted [TS]

00:30:01   by many people of all the balls to point [TS]

00:30:03   out a BMW and their their carbon fiber [TS]

00:30:05   stuff for their electronic cars [TS]

00:30:08   everything like that so in general and I [TS]

00:30:11   don't know if every single one of these [TS]

00:30:12   emails coming from like the 10 the town [TS]

00:30:15   in England where there they store well [TS]

00:30:17   that's not wandering don't even know you [TS]

00:30:19   it's obvious not a small f1 so you got [TS]

00:30:22   us there is not we do not follow and I [TS]

00:30:25   think in general it's not nearly as [TS]

00:30:26   popular in America kind of like soccer [TS]

00:30:28   or football if you will [TS]

00:30:29   yeah forgive us where American right we [TS]

00:30:31   don't know but I do know a lot about [TS]

00:30:34   mclaren though and most of the things [TS]

00:30:36   they're saying about carbon fiber and [TS]

00:30:37   the technology and all itself guess [TS]

00:30:39   that's all true but i still go back to [TS]

00:30:42   what I said [TS]

00:30:43   last show which is investment [TS]

00:30:46   partnership yeah totally because million [TS]

00:30:47   companies they can investment have [TS]

00:30:49   partnerships with and there's certain [TS]

00:30:50   things i can get from them and from [TS]

00:30:51   every other company that they've been in [TS]

00:30:53   the auto industry that might have [TS]

00:30:54   something they could build something for [TS]

00:30:56   them or whatever but in terms of buying [TS]

00:30:57   them outright [TS]

00:30:58   that's that's a whole other story [TS]

00:31:03   like I just for this way it's kind of [TS]

00:31:06   like when i started my nintendo half of [TS]

00:31:08   it is I think it would be a great idea [TS]

00:31:09   but the other half would have to admit [TS]

00:31:11   is that I think it would be a shame to [TS]

00:31:13   by McLaren and not let it continue to do [TS]

00:31:17   what it has done for most of my life [TS]

00:31:19   which is no I most of my life but since [TS]

00:31:22   the nineties or whatever like they make [TS]

00:31:24   supercars right and i like that they [TS]

00:31:27   make supercars and I don't want them to [TS]

00:31:29   stop doing that even though that may not [TS]

00:31:31   be the most important business or the [TS]

00:31:32   main business or their area of expertise [TS]

00:31:34   or whatever you know whatever aspect you [TS]

00:31:35   think that is not important part of [TS]

00:31:37   their business [TS]

00:31:37   Apple's not interested in selling two [TS]

00:31:40   hundred $300,000 cars I don't think [TS]

00:31:41   right maybe maybe John will have the [TS]

00:31:43   aplicar addition that will be expensive [TS]

00:31:45   item from solid gold but I don't want [TS]

00:31:48   someone to buy McLaren and stop it from [TS]

00:31:51   doing what it does and i bet the people [TS]

00:31:52   who like f1 don't want Apple by McLaren [TS]

00:31:55   and say yeah we're not doing that f1 [TS]

00:31:56   thing anymore right [TS]

00:31:57   if they only want them for their [TS]

00:31:58   expertise and in-car to Lima tree and [TS]

00:32:00   engine control units and manufacturing [TS]

00:32:02   stuff then just partner with them but I [TS]

00:32:04   don't want them to buy them because I [TS]

00:32:06   feel like what McLaren is doing does not [TS]

00:32:08   fit with apple or i can imagine how [TS]

00:32:10   Apple ever wanted to do and so you [TS]

00:32:12   either by them and just let them [TS]

00:32:14   continue to be mclaren which is weird [TS]

00:32:15   like beets kind of thing but it's not [TS]

00:32:17   but not as much synergy because beats [TS]

00:32:19   closer to apples business then what [TS]

00:32:21   mclaren does or you just partner with [TS]

00:32:23   them so and then the other part is that [TS]

00:32:25   the mass manufacturing would be like [TS]

00:32:27   they know how to build things they're [TS]

00:32:28   graded it like those supercars are not [TS]

00:32:30   built in the same way as toyotas you [TS]

00:32:32   cannot build hundreds of thousands of [TS]

00:32:35   cars the way they built the p1 you just [TS]

00:32:37   can't get different technique now it's [TS]

00:32:38   great that they're advancing the [TS]

00:32:39   state-of-the-art and find new ways to [TS]

00:32:41   build things there helped a lot of [TS]

00:32:43   people more people doing things with [TS]

00:32:44   their hands and when building mclaren [TS]

00:32:46   car then there are building a Honda or [TS]

00:32:48   Toyota and and regular I like apples [TS]

00:32:51   need to buy company that yes they can [TS]

00:32:53   just partner but that's that something [TS]

00:32:54   apple doesn't know how to do they know [TS]

00:32:55   how to make lots of compete [TS]

00:32:56   others and lots of you know then I want [TS]

00:32:58   to help other companies make lots of [TS]

00:33:00   computers you know the know how to [TS]

00:33:02   invest in machinery that boxcar confused [TS]

00:33:04   about their computers but Fox was not [TS]

00:33:06   about cars and apple doesn't know how to [TS]

00:33:08   build half the stuff that's why they [TS]

00:33:09   outsourced so again if you're gonna [TS]

00:33:10   outsource your partner and have somebody [TS]

00:33:12   one of these you know builders that [TS]

00:33:13   magnet company build your stuff [TS]

00:33:15   fine but buying outright just doesn't [TS]

00:33:17   seem like a good idea [TS]

00:33:19   so let me learn be McLaren is what i say [TS]

00:33:22   makes sense to me a lot of people wrote [TS]

00:33:26   in the very very enthusiastic about [TS]

00:33:28   mclaren lot f1 fans that are also nerds [TS]

00:33:30   it seems didn't know they made a car [TS]

00:33:32   called the f1 I did you know I've heard [TS]

00:33:35   it's very nice neighborhood maybe [TS]

00:33:36   they'll never listen to neutral and [TS]

00:33:37   don't know like we don't know if one but [TS]

00:33:39   we know mclaren or in every market [TS]

00:33:42   doesn't well I didn't know there may be [TS]

00:33:43   a fun [TS]

00:33:44   I don't know anything about mclaren or [TS]

00:33:45   f1 you've never heard of the mclaren f1 [TS]

00:33:47   of course not why would I you've never [TS]

00:33:49   heard of the Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:33:50   I mean that yeah hard the cows around 12 [TS]

00:33:52   parsecs [TS]

00:33:54   that doesn't even make sense though you [TS]

00:33:56   do you have heard of the mclaren f1 [TS]

00:33:58   which is the one that had three seats [TS]

00:34:00   and he drove in the center seat [TS]

00:34:01   you know what I'm thinking of em no but [TS]

00:34:04   that sounds like a terrible car [TS]

00:34:05   oh god Marcus it was like the greatest [TS]

00:34:07   car for me but your costs pretty much [TS]

00:34:09   what I mean this is coming from a [TS]

00:34:10   Ferrari fanboy that that the mclaren f1 [TS]

00:34:12   is the greatest part made no I was [TS]

00:34:14   disappointed in the p1 because anything [TS]

00:34:16   like this one didn't make a success [TS]

00:34:17   force only how can you how can you [TS]

00:34:19   follow that up the well the many neutral [TS]

00:34:21   the mclaren f1 supercar made to be like [TS]

00:34:25   it one of its important goals was it was [TS]

00:34:27   going to be the fastest not just the [TS]

00:34:28   quickest with the fastest so top speed [TS]

00:34:30   was a big deal [TS]

00:34:31   they usually under that these days and [TS]

00:34:33   although the bugatti veyron did a little [TS]

00:34:34   top speed stuff as well but in general [TS]

00:34:36   supercars are staying away from top [TS]

00:34:38   speed because once you get up into the [TS]

00:34:39   high to 50 mile-per-hour things it [TS]

00:34:42   becomes a rear dynamic power challenge [TS]

00:34:44   what stupid Veyron has gigantic guessing [TS]

00:34:47   sucking engine 16-cylinder engine in [TS]

00:34:49   there [TS]

00:34:49   but the f1 was it was quick not as quick [TS]

00:34:52   as modern cars obviously but it was [TS]

00:34:54   quick but it had a very top speed I [TS]

00:34:55   think it was up into fifties you sound [TS]

00:34:58   exactly dead center in it which is [TS]

00:34:59   something that always ignore me about [TS]

00:35:00   like super cars like this entire car is [TS]

00:35:02   about performance [TS]

00:35:03   why am I sitting off to the left right [TS]

00:35:05   like it should be like a racecar where [TS]

00:35:06   you sit in the middle you doing this one [TS]

00:35:08   it looked great and it was just it was [TS]

00:35:12   just the epitome of like let's make the [TS]

00:35:14   best car in the world like what Apple [TS]

00:35:15   not Apple usually about some companies [TS]

00:35:17   some computer companies have done let's [TS]

00:35:19   make the best x in the world like in [TS]

00:35:22   every possible way it could be the best [TS]

00:35:23   in terms like it wasn't the best [TS]

00:35:24   performance car is faster than every [TS]

00:35:26   color of the car [TS]

00:35:27   yes a quick around the track their every [TS]

00:35:28   other car yes is better looking at a [TS]

00:35:30   real the car yes i can just aim for the [TS]

00:35:32   top and it was on the top for a long [TS]

00:35:35   period of time and the successor the p1 [TS]

00:35:37   is not the same thing but anyway it's [TS]

00:35:42   kind of like the sr-71 of the carrboro [TS]

00:35:44   where for a brief moment they made the [TS]

00:35:46   best car in the world and everyone [TS]

00:35:47   recognized it and set yep you did it and [TS]

00:35:50   that's why they go for huge amounts of [TS]

00:35:52   money now [TS]

00:35:53   they also had a a unfortunate a penchant [TS]

00:35:58   for killing their owners and are [TS]

00:36:00   destroying themselves [TS]

00:36:01   inhale carbon fiber because it very rich [TS]

00:36:03   people get essentially the best car in [TS]

00:36:05   the world the boot that's reputation [TS]

00:36:06   precedes it that is more car than they [TS]

00:36:08   can handle [TS]

00:36:09   and they go out in a blaze of glory [TS]

00:36:12   drive carefully see I'm looking at this [TS]

00:36:14   car and it like McLaren is is is a [TS]

00:36:18   company that makes cars that are [TS]

00:36:20   exceptionally well regarded by everybody [TS]

00:36:23   else in the world but yet I look at them [TS]

00:36:25   and just immediately forget about them [TS]

00:36:27   like I idol if you would have asked me [TS]

00:36:30   before this conversation started to name [TS]

00:36:32   supercar brands i would have forgotten [TS]

00:36:34   about them i wouldn't even I wouldn't [TS]

00:36:35   even they wouldn't even cross my mind so [TS]

00:36:37   they made the f1 was like the best [TS]

00:36:38   supercar barmaid right and then today [TS]

00:36:41   they make a line of cars that look like [TS]

00:36:43   fish fine but they're really good best [TS]

00:36:45   supercar writing the the p1 and the the [TS]

00:36:48   650 and all the other like that put the [TS]

00:36:51   old unfortunate name was an MP 1240 [TS]

00:36:53   where the hell was that [TS]

00:36:54   I think that's right they have terrible [TS]

00:36:55   names but they're good supercars like [TS]

00:36:58   they're not they're not bad they're [TS]

00:37:00   right up there with the whole rest of [TS]

00:37:01   them right that's why when I [TS]

00:37:02   like that the other various car [TS]

00:37:04   challenges like the p1 the 918 and offer [TS]

00:37:06   re right there right there right in [TS]

00:37:08   there the top three there one of those [TS]

00:37:10   other cars and you may think they're [TS]

00:37:11   forgettable because the styling is [TS]

00:37:13   interesting but the BF one does look a [TS]

00:37:14   little bit dated but you know it's it's [TS]

00:37:15   an old cars from the nineties i mean i [TS]

00:37:18   submit maybe the problem is that i don't [TS]

00:37:19   really care as much as most car [TS]

00:37:22   enthusiasts do about supercars like to [TS]

00:37:24   meet a supercar is just like you know [TS]

00:37:27   okay great it can go really fast it is [TS]

00:37:29   completely impractical for any use ever [TS]

00:37:31   and cost a billion dollars and you know [TS]

00:37:34   you and you drive it ten miles and it [TS]

00:37:36   needs a five-thousand-dollar clutch like [TS]

00:37:38   it like I don't really know why I should [TS]

00:37:39   care about this world is just under [TS]

00:37:41   supercars all right to bring this back [TS]

00:37:43   to tech topics that was gonna do this [TS]

00:37:45   speaking of my my potential pristine jet [TS]

00:37:49   black iphone that I was speculating [TS]

00:37:51   about possibly taking out of the case [TS]

00:37:53   and carefully putting in my clean room [TS]

00:37:55   wearing my Intel bunny suit into a [TS]

00:37:58   leather case where no part of it that is [TS]

00:38:02   not exposed to the outside will get [TS]

00:38:04   damaged if I'm very careful with that in [TS]

00:38:05   theory couple people made snarky [TS]

00:38:08   comments like isn't that like getting an [TS]

00:38:11   iphone and then never using the home [TS]

00:38:12   button but it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:38:14   you're never gonna use the home button [TS]

00:38:15   what good is a jet-black phone that you [TS]

00:38:17   keep Christine if you never see the jet [TS]

00:38:19   black foam because it's always in a case [TS]

00:38:21   and I what I hope these are longtime [TS]

00:38:23   listeners to the show i would hope that [TS]

00:38:25   people who are longtime listeners like [TS]

00:38:26   you two were always here [TS]

00:38:30   why it is not analogous why do why is [TS]

00:38:34   that not a valid analogy in my specific [TS]

00:38:36   dates are saying oh john says you know [TS]

00:38:37   you shouldn't have never used the home [TS]

00:38:38   button doesn't matter what he's doing [TS]

00:38:40   the same thing with Jeff like why is [TS]

00:38:41   that not the case i thought that was [TS]

00:38:43   amazing feedback and I was disappointed [TS]

00:38:44   we didn't think of it during the show [TS]

00:38:46   same here hi you guys can figure out to [TS]

00:38:49   switch your brains from that mode to the [TS]

00:38:51   other mode and say assume it is not the [TS]

00:38:53   case as i can tell you that it's not why [TS]

00:38:56   well with the new home button it's [TS]

00:38:58   irrelevant because it doesn't move but [TS]

00:38:59   not like why is it was not the same as [TS]

00:39:01   my jet black iphone situation that's me [TS]

00:39:03   specifically [TS]

00:39:04   well because it because the there's a [TS]

00:39:06   huge difference and effectiveness hear [TS]

00:39:07   the people who are not using the home [TS]

00:39:09   button will actually succeed in their [TS]

00:39:12   goal but John you will not succeed in [TS]

00:39:15   not scratching Jeff [TS]

00:39:16   like it is impossible that I don't know [TS]

00:39:18   if that's the case we'll see but no no [TS]

00:39:20   see the the what they were trying to say [TS]

00:39:21   the absurdity look if you're never gonna [TS]

00:39:23   use the home button and you're never [TS]

00:39:24   gonna sell your phone that was all [TS]

00:39:25   things like i was saying if you're not [TS]

00:39:26   going to resell it because obviously it [TS]

00:39:27   retains resale value but not breaking [TS]

00:39:29   home button if you have a pristine home [TS]

00:39:30   button maybe your phone is worth more [TS]

00:39:31   later so there's value in happen if [TS]

00:39:32   you're never gonna reset and you're [TS]

00:39:34   never gonna touch it [TS]

00:39:35   what the hell do you care of it works [TS]

00:39:36   and so with jet-black if you're never [TS]

00:39:38   going to see it because you're going to [TS]

00:39:39   keep it in case what the hell do you [TS]

00:39:40   care if it's scratched up right and I [TS]

00:39:43   don't understand why people don't know [TS]

00:39:45   me from now and you to always make fun [TS]

00:39:46   about this when i'm done with my phone [TS]

00:39:49   i'm not going to resell what's gonna [TS]

00:39:50   happen to it you'll get over to the [TS]

00:39:52   Museum of pristine apple hardware and [TS]

00:39:55   there is value in a museum of Christine [TS]

00:39:57   apple hardware for the Harvard to be [TS]

00:39:58   pristine why you think I'm protecting in [TS]

00:40:00   the case not just so i can go to sleep [TS]

00:40:02   at night thinking it's safely ensconced [TS]

00:40:03   there's one time when i'm done with the [TS]

00:40:05   phone it's going to come out of that [TS]

00:40:07   case and be a beautiful Christina object [TS]

00:40:09   along with my other Apple hardware and [TS]

00:40:11   stuff [TS]

00:40:11   now you could say like I'm gonna build [TS]

00:40:13   it all that junk in your attic will [TS]

00:40:16   never be displayed in such a beautiful [TS]

00:40:17   way deserving it but you have the like [TS]

00:40:19   that's my plan right now so it has value [TS]

00:40:21   in my plan right weather has value [TS]

00:40:23   actuality you can argue with but it's [TS]

00:40:25   not analogy that out someone's [TS]

00:40:27   preserving the home button is never [TS]

00:40:29   going to resell it but then when they're [TS]

00:40:30   done using the phone they're just going [TS]

00:40:32   to press that pristine home button once [TS]

00:40:33   a day for pleasure then they have a [TS]

00:40:35   reason to do it as well we also sponsor [TS]

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00:40:59   second of all it sounds like it would be [TS]

00:41:00   really heavy and you'd be so concerned [TS]

00:41:02   about hanging it you probably break it [TS]

00:41:03   right [TS]

00:41:04   these are not concerned in practice [TS]

00:41:06   first of all we've gotten so many [TS]

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00:41:08   they pack it so well I've never heard a [TS]

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00:41:12   of course if it does i'll cover you you [TS]

00:41:13   know that they'll send another one but [TS]

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00:41:17   I've never heard from any of my friends [TS]

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00:41:29   it's not what you think based on the [TS]

00:41:31   weight of like a picture frame that has [TS]

00:41:33   a glass front and what all around it's [TS]

00:41:34   not that way it is a very very thin [TS]

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00:43:10   fracture for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:43:14   alright so we didn't get any time to [TS]

00:43:18   talk about it last week but Mac OS [TS]

00:43:20   Sierra is out it's a thing and i have [TS]

00:43:24   installed it on my imac i have not [TS]

00:43:26   installed it on my work computer because [TS]

00:43:27   we got the standard oh god oh god we [TS]

00:43:30   knew it's been coming for months but we [TS]

00:43:32   haven't tested any of our software with [TS]

00:43:33   it [TS]

00:43:34   message from work so anyway so it's not [TS]

00:43:36   my work machine but it isn't my home [TS]

00:43:38   machine and so far so good i really like [TS]

00:43:40   it i think anyway glowing endorsement [TS]

00:43:44   from kc list right there [TS]

00:43:46   alright I are you running it on your [TS]

00:43:49   imac Marco no pick up no yeah basically [TS]

00:43:53   normally I i have jumped into things [TS]

00:43:55   like this quickly in the past it almost [TS]

00:43:58   every case i have regretted it because [TS]

00:44:01   something that i use breaks often audio [TS]

00:44:04   related or related some kind of like [TS]

00:44:05   hardware driver type of app you know [TS]

00:44:08   people have reported issues with fujitsu [TS]

00:44:09   scansnap software which actually [TS]

00:44:10   wouldn't have impact because i have that [TS]

00:44:12   running on my mac mini server its armor [TS]

00:44:14   on my main computer but i do have you no [TS]

00:44:16   audio running I'm a computer i have [TS]

00:44:18   external audio devices i edit with logic [TS]

00:44:20   and we've heard various rumblings from [TS]

00:44:22   people at jason's now this is this has [TS]

00:44:24   had occasional problems during the beta [TS]

00:44:25   period and might not still be fixed so [TS]

00:44:28   basically the question is and this this [TS]

00:44:32   we're going to hopefully John's review [TS]

00:44:34   of it but the question for me is like [TS]

00:44:36   what's new in Sierra what is worth [TS]

00:44:38   risking things breaking and dealing with [TS]

00:44:41   the inevitable instability that almost [TS]

00:44:44   every point zero release of the OS [TS]

00:44:46   brings and in iOS you know the the [TS]

00:44:48   differences are larger and also on iOS [TS]

00:44:51   developer and so I feel like I need to [TS]

00:44:52   pay more attention there and use the [TS]

00:44:54   betas and get my operating for the beta [TS]

00:44:55   and everything else on OS 10 I never I [TS]

00:44:57   never ever run the the beta Mac Mac OS [TS]

00:45:01   on my main computer if anything i run it [TS]

00:45:03   on my laptop and even then I don't [TS]

00:45:06   usually do that so basically I have to [TS]

00:45:09   look at the features that are new and [TS]

00:45:11   have to say you know what among these [TS]

00:45:13   features am I just dying to use that [TS]

00:45:15   will make it worth the period of [TS]

00:45:17   potential instability up front for a new [TS]

00:45:19   OS release and in Sierra's case I just [TS]

00:45:22   not compelling from the features people [TS]

00:45:24   are talking about the changes the [TS]

00:45:25   improvements are just things that [TS]

00:45:28   either either I I wouldn't really use or [TS]

00:45:31   that would be nice but but i'm not sure [TS]

00:45:34   it's worth it yet so I'm not saying [TS]

00:45:36   never gonna upgrade i'm probably gonna [TS]

00:45:37   upgrade within the next couple of weeks [TS]

00:45:39   but I kind of just want like a point one [TS]

00:45:42   to come out or or just to hear from [TS]

00:45:44   people that these issues that were in [TS]

00:45:45   the beta's might be fixed or whatever [TS]

00:45:47   else there's not enough here for me to [TS]

00:45:49   be an early adopter of it but i'll [TS]

00:45:51   upgrade soon enough [TS]

00:45:53   John what are your thoughts so I've got [TS]

00:45:56   two incompatible computers my work [TS]

00:45:58   computer my own computer in theory are [TS]

00:45:59   supported and practice and practice my [TS]

00:46:02   home computer runs it fine because I ran [TS]

00:46:04   debate is all being a separate drive [TS]

00:46:07   I've waited long enough to hear if [TS]

00:46:09   there's anything disastrous and there [TS]

00:46:11   wasn't so upgraded my imac while she's [TS]

00:46:13   away surprised she's fine [TS]

00:46:16   that's a bold move i also control the [TS]

00:46:18   backup so don't worry if if anything was [TS]

00:46:20   wrong i just would have restored for one [TS]

00:46:22   of the umpteen backups I made a mess and [TS]

00:46:25   it would have been fine but it's it's [TS]

00:46:26   fine i did the only scare I've gotten so [TS]

00:46:29   far and I don't even know I can't blame [TS]

00:46:31   this on Sierra because it's one of those [TS]

00:46:32   things that occasionally happens when [TS]

00:46:34   you get a dialog asking for a password [TS]

00:46:36   and you enter the password and you [TS]

00:46:38   didn't know the dialogue would says like [TS]

00:46:39   keychain system could not be found or [TS]

00:46:42   something like that you know keeping you [TS]

00:46:43   got all these different your login [TS]

00:46:44   keychain and some beach in all the stuff [TS]

00:46:46   teaching corruption is like one of the [TS]

00:46:48   worst things can happen it's just such a [TS]

00:46:49   panda asks you just you can wipe it all [TS]

00:46:51   out and just type in the password if you [TS]

00:46:53   have them someplace else like in one [TS]

00:46:54   password or whatever but it's just so [TS]

00:46:56   annoying [TS]

00:46:57   you just wanted to be like just go back [TS]

00:47:00   to working states only once a dialogue [TS]

00:47:02   once I'm like nope that means reboot and [TS]

00:47:04   so i rebooted everything and it's been [TS]

00:47:05   fine which is the worst kind of problem [TS]

00:47:07   to have who knows what it was very often [TS]

00:47:09   when you update the OS updates the [TS]

00:47:11   bundled apps and sometimes they don't [TS]

00:47:12   they have different signatures or [TS]

00:47:14   whatever don't look at the same they [TS]

00:47:16   can't get access to the same key times [TS]

00:47:17   want to be reauthorized like this is the [TS]

00:47:19   thing that I'm kind of used to by now [TS]

00:47:20   but other than that can only happen once [TS]

00:47:22   everything else is mostly fine also her [TS]

00:47:25   computer is the one with the real family [TS]

00:47:27   iPhoto library so I wanted to I wanted [TS]

00:47:29   it to do its thing with the photo [TS]

00:47:31   searching so i can actually use that and [TS]

00:47:34   so I was motivated enough to upgrade her [TS]

00:47:36   computer and I said it's fine i'm kind [TS]

00:47:39   of the same situation is Marco with 90 x [TS]

00:47:41   even worse because i have unsupported [TS]

00:47:42   computers in both situations i have to [TS]

00:47:46   ask do I want to risk like you know what [TS]

00:47:51   the point of it comes out i run the [TS]

00:47:53   updater and then it was my thing and I [TS]

00:47:54   gotta go through some little dance to [TS]

00:47:55   get it back because it's unsupported I [TS]

00:47:57   want to deal with that and what is there [TS]

00:48:01   in the operating system makes me feel [TS]

00:48:04   like I'm missing out essentially like I [TS]

00:48:06   feel like I can't use something like [TS]

00:48:07   today downloaded a developer build an [TS]

00:48:10   application and has a little circle with [TS]

00:48:13   a line through it on it and I realize oh [TS]

00:48:15   this must be a this must be CR only [TS]

00:48:18   that's the type of thing that makes me [TS]

00:48:19   go you know what I should upgrade right [TS]

00:48:20   because I want to be able to run the new [TS]

00:48:23   software or the features like everyone's [TS]

00:48:25   like Oh picture picture is amazing it's [TS]

00:48:27   you know I use it all the time and you [TS]

00:48:29   know like are tabbed documents and all [TS]

00:48:31   these applications didn't previously [TS]

00:48:32   support them now magically do because of [TS]

00:48:34   os you know and this document features [TS]

00:48:36   right if I feel like I'm missing out on [TS]

00:48:38   what everyone else is doing [TS]

00:48:40   I probably will bite the bullet but at [TS]

00:48:41   home I motivated not upgrade because I [TS]

00:48:43   screw up my audio you know like my pod [TS]

00:48:45   casting setup here and it worked [TS]

00:48:47   motivated not upgrade because in any way [TS]

00:48:50   that I screw up my work computer is a [TS]

00:48:51   delay in doing my work and my work [TS]

00:48:52   doesn't go away while fighting with my [TS]

00:48:54   computer and it's not like I can stay at [TS]

00:48:55   work an extra three hours when I'm [TS]

00:48:57   bringing the kids even though my parents [TS]

00:48:59   are here just you know I have to get [TS]

00:49:00   back so I don't know what I'm going to [TS]

00:49:03   do i may I mean like I'm not really [TS]

00:49:05   waiting like I feel like I'm missing out [TS]

00:49:07   missing out because I the 5ki mike has [TS]

00:49:08   it and whenever a new photo stuff I use [TS]

00:49:10   it like I'm I'm seeing all the features [TS]

00:49:11   and of course i use all the beta so it's [TS]

00:49:13   not a mystery to me and I like don't [TS]

00:49:14   know what it's about the other hand I [TS]

00:49:16   couldn't give you a review of at this [TS]

00:49:17   point because i'm not using it everyday [TS]

00:49:19   and the two main computers that I used [TS]

00:49:20   my home computer or my work computer [TS]

00:49:22   I don't know I'm i might but I might [TS]

00:49:25   bite the bullet maybe they're on their [TS]

00:49:27   point 2.3 or whatever i'm sure we'll [TS]

00:49:31   eventually I'm very bad at resisting [TS]

00:49:32   these type of things even though I've [TS]

00:49:33   got it on maybe because i have it on the [TS]

00:49:35   5k imac that I'll see it over there and [TS]

00:49:37   realize like things are nicer or I just [TS]

00:49:40   want this thing that's over there it's [TS]

00:49:41   not over here even if it's just like [TS]

00:49:42   some new feature in the terminal [TS]

00:49:43   application or something i'll probably [TS]

00:49:45   upgrade but i haven't done yet [TS]

00:49:47   alright good talk no i mean i i've been [TS]

00:49:51   using it at home and I like it [TS]

00:49:53   the think the thing that [TS]

00:49:54   I interact with most that I like the [TS]

00:49:59   most is probably some rudimentary [TS]

00:50:02   support for new messages features like [TS]

00:50:04   the big emoji the inline i have like [TS]

00:50:07   rich content stuff so if you say paste [TS]

00:50:09   between messages will actually go and [TS]

00:50:11   expand that tweet for you kind of slack [TS]

00:50:13   style i have been using the watch unlock [TS]

00:50:16   the first two times i used it is a fifty [TS]

00:50:19   percent success rate since then it's [TS]

00:50:21   been nearly a hundred percent success [TS]

00:50:23   rate but that being said it takes longer [TS]

00:50:26   than it takes me to type my like 10-15 [TS]

00:50:28   character password which is a little bit [TS]

00:50:30   of a bummer but maybe that will get [TS]

00:50:32   better in the future if I'm really that [TS]

00:50:33   in that much of a hurry I can certainly [TS]

00:50:35   just type my password but do you think [TS]

00:50:37   it's because you have the old slow [TS]

00:50:38   watched it's taking awhile or suggest [TS]

00:50:40   like you inherit in the you know what [TS]

00:50:42   are you waiting on [TS]

00:50:43   I think it's because it's just trying to [TS]

00:50:46   figure out if the watch is close enough [TS]

00:50:47   physically close enough so it's pride [TS]

00:50:49   that I dug into this or maybe somebody [TS]

00:50:51   told me about it but I guess it's doing [TS]

00:50:53   like a round-trip time of some sort of [TS]

00:50:56   packet or communication between the [TS]

00:50:57   watching the computer to make sure you [TS]

00:50:59   are very physically close to it that [TS]

00:51:00   someone was Craig federighi on the talk [TS]

00:51:02   show live [TS]

00:51:03   ok so anyway so point being it takes a [TS]

00:51:06   little time for that computation or that [TS]

00:51:08   coming off the computation but that you [TS]

00:51:11   know round-tripping to be computed so [TS]

00:51:14   I'm not saying it's like a cpu intensive [TS]

00:51:15   thing is just takes time to send send a [TS]

00:51:17   little bit of data see how long that [TS]

00:51:18   takes wait and just wait for it to come [TS]

00:51:20   back or whatever the mechanism is that's [TS]

00:51:22   making this work but anyway it is fairly [TS]

00:51:25   reliable but I haven't but I haven't [TS]

00:51:29   been able to say that it's much quicker [TS]

00:51:31   than then just type in my password that [TS]

00:51:34   was one of the features that was making [TS]

00:51:35   by the way for you to the watch unlock [TS]

00:51:37   that was one of the features that was [TS]

00:51:38   making you think oh that's gonna be the [TS]

00:51:39   one that's gonna make me install it work [TS]

00:51:40   because it work I don't know if you do [TS]

00:51:42   this case but in most corporate jobs [TS]

00:51:44   they want you to lock your computer [TS]

00:51:44   whenever you're not sitting in front of [TS]

00:51:46   it and I do like that of habit like I've [TS]

00:51:49   always liked it for the second i get up [TS]

00:51:51   and now an unfortunate culture at work [TS]

00:51:54   that is fading a little bit of if you do [TS]

00:51:56   leave you can be there unlocked when you [TS]

00:51:57   get up you are punished for it by your [TS]

00:51:59   co-workers civil email everybody [TS]

00:52:02   something embarrassing for your email [TS]

00:52:03   hundred i think that is inappropriate [TS]

00:52:05   and should not be done and [TS]

00:52:06   you could just remind them that they [TS]

00:52:08   should lock the computer but in practice [TS]

00:52:09   what actually happens is much worse [TS]

00:52:12   anyway I always liked my computer which [TS]

00:52:15   means that every time I come back to my [TS]

00:52:17   desk at don't like my computer even a [TS]

00:52:18   hundred getting up and walking one desk [TS]

00:52:19   over i have to you know I'm that type in [TS]

00:52:21   my unlock password over and over and [TS]

00:52:23   over again and so I thought maybe this [TS]

00:52:24   will you know get me where my watch [TS]

00:52:26   again and you know but save me from [TS]

00:52:29   typing password minds but even before I [TS]

00:52:31   heard your story I was like come on this [TS]

00:52:33   is based on the same texts handoff which [TS]

00:52:35   never works and it can't possibly be [TS]

00:52:38   fast and i'll just be sitting there in [TS]

00:52:40   front of my computer like the same way [TS]

00:52:42   when you're yelling things too serious [TS]

00:52:43   not understanding you it's like a [TS]

00:52:44   certain point it would have been faster [TS]

00:52:45   if you just typed and typing always [TS]

00:52:48   works so i will just continue to type my [TS]

00:52:51   password that work makes me change on a [TS]

00:52:54   ridiculous interval and I can't use any [TS]

00:52:56   of the last hundred passwords i used to [TS]

00:52:58   be different than last password and 17 [TS]

00:52:59   million different ways that's not the [TS]

00:53:01   bright side we can upgrade to see [TS]

00:53:03   artwork because everything we use is now [TS]

00:53:06   upgrade to work with it including the [TS]

00:53:07   terrible antivirus software that we run [TS]

00:53:09   so yay for work what antivirus be [TS]

00:53:13   running symantec antivirus and symantec [TS]

00:53:16   antivirus / kernel panic causing we're [TS]

00:53:19   using sophos sofas I don't know how you [TS]

00:53:22   pronounce it but is 0 pH OS I don't know [TS]

00:53:26   if that's the problem [TS]

00:53:27   coworker it operated to see are either [TS]

00:53:29   before the idea part IT department [TS]

00:53:32   warning or perhaps in spite of the IT [TS]

00:53:33   department morning and he was telling me [TS]

00:53:35   that are god-awful VPN which is [TS]

00:53:38   checkpoint security TN that the VPN [TS]

00:53:40   software by the way [TS]

00:53:42   hey guess what includes a firewall that [TS]

00:53:44   hey guess what prevents outgoing lttp [TS]

00:53:47   are outgoing VPN connections outgoing [TS]

00:53:50   connections not in coming out going [TS]

00:53:52   connections not that I'm bitter prevents [TS]

00:53:54   air drop from working which by the way I [TS]

00:53:55   have very rarely had airdrop issue [TS]

00:53:57   actually very really i've had a [TS]

00:53:59   comfortable success rate with airdrop [TS]

00:54:01   but it blocks that as well so anyway so [TS]

00:54:04   I install our VPN software on command [TS]

00:54:06   like an animal because it's easier to do [TS]

00:54:09   that than have half of the things i want [TS]

00:54:11   to use not work when it is installed [TS]

00:54:13   anyway not that I'm bitter this software [TS]

00:54:16   apparently hadn't been updated for [TS]

00:54:18   Sierra [TS]

00:54:19   but I this co-worker that did upgrade to [TS]

00:54:21   Sierra found an installer this is the [TS]

00:54:24   same sort of thing like with cisco you [TS]

00:54:25   have to go spelunking into the deep [TS]

00:54:27   deepest darkest part of the website that [TS]

00:54:30   of the vendor in order to find an [TS]

00:54:33   installer dmg but eventually they found [TS]

00:54:35   one and supposedly it works so I've been [TS]

00:54:37   debating whether i want to be that guy [TS]

00:54:39   that doesn't listen to the IT department [TS]

00:54:40   and just installed anyway so far I [TS]

00:54:43   haven't but we'll see and the reason I [TS]

00:54:45   haven't I think that because like Marco [TS]

00:54:47   said there's nothing that it was going [TS]

00:54:51   to say impressive but that's nastier [TS]

00:54:53   than I mean it [TS]

00:54:53   there's nothing that's that's really [TS]

00:54:55   pulling me to immediately want to [TS]

00:54:58   install it compelling that's not [TS]

00:54:59   necessary compelling is a great word [TS]

00:55:01   yeah that's not necessarily a bad thing [TS]

00:55:03   but it's certainly not a great thing [TS]

00:55:06   either [TS]

00:55:07   okay first of all let me tell you guys [TS]

00:55:09   had a deal with your workplaces [TS]

00:55:11   oh sure go here we go John the people [TS]

00:55:14   who you work with our animals the [TS]

00:55:15   correct answer to when somebody leaves [TS]

00:55:17   the computer unlocked and they shouldn't [TS]

00:55:19   is not to email things off the computer [TS]

00:55:21   that is barbaric the correct answer is [TS]

00:55:23   change your desktop wallpaper to find [TS]

00:55:25   something funny or shocking and the [TS]

00:55:26   bunch of windows over if they don't [TS]

00:55:27   actually see it for a while until the [TS]

00:55:29   highway known and bam [TS]

00:55:30   okay Casey just ignore the IT department [TS]

00:55:32   do what you want you know life is short [TS]

00:55:35   oh I I didn't realize it was that easy [TS]

00:55:37   yeah it is that's that's it i mean come [TS]

00:55:39   on it that's how jobs work right [TS]

00:55:41   totally i got i'm trying to be a nice [TS]

00:55:44   guy right now but man i'm putting holes [TS]

00:55:47   in my tongue anyway so yeah so I was [TS]

00:55:51   gonna say for upgrading the thing i [TS]

00:55:52   think makes most people do it in the end [TS]

00:55:55   is they're not able to do something with [TS]

00:55:57   your computer that they want to do now [TS]

00:55:58   the thing they want to do might be [TS]

00:55:59   frivolous all my friends are using tabs [TS]

00:56:03   on all the windows and I see them doing [TS]

00:56:05   it and they're all talking about tabs [TS]

00:56:07   and I don't have them on my windows [TS]

00:56:08   because i don't have sierra that [TS]

00:56:09   includes in your tab when i'm at right [TS]

00:56:11   that's a frivolous example and more [TS]

00:56:14   concrete example is everybody's using [TS]

00:56:16   this new twitter client and I'm going [TS]

00:56:17   back in time here when there was two [TS]

00:56:18   other clients everyones using this new [TS]

00:56:20   client but CR only and I can't use it [TS]

00:56:22   right if you feel like you're not able [TS]

00:56:25   to do things with computers in your [TS]

00:56:27   computer you know you're into computers [TS]

00:56:28   is one of your hobbies and everyone else [TS]

00:56:30   you know in the computer [TS]

00:56:32   you know your little computer circles is [TS]

00:56:33   doing the school thing and you can't do [TS]

00:56:35   it because you're operating system tool [TS]

00:56:37   that I feel like in the end is what [TS]

00:56:38   makes people in our circle upgrade [TS]

00:56:40   sometimes right off the bat there's [TS]

00:56:41   things that and the other one is maybe [TS]

00:56:44   you could say even if i was the only [TS]

00:56:45   computer user in the world [TS]

00:56:47   this one has such nice performance [TS]

00:56:48   improvements that I want it don't think [TS]

00:56:50   Sierra has that all these apples not [TS]

00:56:51   counting and I didn't test it i didn't [TS]

00:56:53   review at the other a lot of good [TS]

00:56:54   reviews out there but performance [TS]

00:56:57   increases are not a big selling point [TS]

00:56:58   i'm sure it's better and many [TS]

00:56:59   performance measures in this huge [TS]

00:57:01   performance appearance performance [TS]

00:57:02   across the board which is always in the [TS]

00:57:04   back of my mind is a reason to upgrade [TS]

00:57:05   like because anyone who writes software [TS]

00:57:08   for a living knows like what it feels [TS]

00:57:11   like to to ship a new version of your [TS]

00:57:14   software that you realize is so much [TS]

00:57:17   better than the version of your users [TS]

00:57:18   are out there are using like the old [TS]

00:57:20   version is a piece of crap like do you [TS]

00:57:22   realize how much code deleted you don't [TS]

00:57:23   understand why refactor this didn't [TS]

00:57:25   happen like how I changed that this code [TS]

00:57:28   path from being like you know 17 levels [TS]

00:57:31   deepen in subroutine calls to now just [TS]

00:57:34   being like to and this is this used to [TS]

00:57:36   be called every 10 milliseconds and now [TS]

00:57:37   it's called like once a second and just [TS]

00:57:39   everything is so much better about it [TS]

00:57:41   you're disgusted by the idea that anyone [TS]

00:57:43   could be using it while operating [TS]

00:57:44   systems like this are filled with that [TS]

00:57:46   stuff so I i get the warm fuzzies real [TS]

00:57:49   or not of [TS]

00:57:51   give me the new version of the software [TS]

00:57:52   because i know there must be things [TS]

00:57:54   about this that are just better than [TS]

00:57:55   they were not only also break crap to [TS]

00:57:57   see discovery day or whatever but in [TS]

00:58:00   general i want the new version of the [TS]

00:58:02   software all I think I'm a little bit [TS]

00:58:03   weird that in that respect but i think [TS]

00:58:05   most of the reason people upgrade is [TS]

00:58:06   everyone doing the thing I can't do the [TS]

00:58:09   thing and i will get to that point and I [TS]

00:58:11   think Marco will too but we're both not [TS]

00:58:13   there yet with Sierra that's where I [TS]

00:58:16   mean I don't have anything bad to say [TS]

00:58:17   about it I don't I hope I don't sound [TS]

00:58:19   too negative it's not that I have [TS]

00:58:21   anything bad to say but i can't say that [TS]

00:58:24   i found any features that have really [TS]

00:58:26   changed the way i use my computer so far [TS]

00:58:29   the watch unlock is the closest but I'm [TS]

00:58:32   not relying on it the one thing that i [TS]

00:58:34   think i really do like and i do miss my [TS]

00:58:36   work computer like i said is having [TS]

00:58:38   those like rich texture those rich [TS]

00:58:40   previews in messages those are really [TS]

00:58:42   really great and I wish I had that I'm [TS]

00:58:44   your computer but other than that [TS]

00:58:45   there's nothing really that's that's [TS]

00:58:47   knocking my socks off in that that's not [TS]

00:58:49   necessarily a bad thing I mean it's not [TS]

00:58:51   a rare for all of the three of us to beg [TS]

00:58:55   and plead for for Apple to just kind of [TS]

00:58:58   take a breath and try to improve [TS]

00:59:00   reliability and I mean seems stable so [TS]

00:59:03   far my only a few days and now but it [TS]

00:59:05   seems ok [TS]

00:59:06   the one thing that i will tell you that [TS]

00:59:08   i have been scared to do though and [TS]

00:59:10   doesn't really solve a problem i have [TS]

00:59:12   any way is this iCloud Drive hey we'll [TS]

00:59:18   move things to the cloud on your behalf [TS]

00:59:20   don't worry your pretty little knees [TS]

00:59:21   we've got you covered [TS]

00:59:22   this looks like it from everything I've [TS]

00:59:24   heard this is a dumpster fire like this [TS]

00:59:26   is no good [TS]

00:59:27   I should have saved this clip in the [TS]

00:59:29   traditional now this is my new thing now [TS]

00:59:30   I look up stuff and all podcasts and [TS]

00:59:32   make overcast timestamp links so Marco [TS]

00:59:35   but are never make that site go down [TS]

00:59:36   please add me anyway merited i was [TS]

00:59:41   thinkin like we talked about this before [TS]

00:59:42   and now we're all scared of this feature [TS]

00:59:44   and everything like when was that turns [TS]

00:59:45   out it was the wEDC show like as soon as [TS]

00:59:48   they announced the future that very day [TS]

00:59:50   we walked back to the hotel and recorded [TS]

00:59:51   episode it was like no don't like we had [TS]

00:59:54   we'd never touch this operation weed [TS]

00:59:56   enemy and seen it in action we just [TS]

00:59:57   slides promising this feature that like [TS]

00:59:57   slides promising this feature that like [TS]

01:00:00   we will take your documents and desktop [TS]

01:00:01   folder and magically sink them across [TS]

01:00:03   the hall of your max if you want us to [TS]

01:00:05   like no don't do that in the people and [TS]

01:00:07   not turn out ya head right and I'll find [TS]

01:00:11   the audio clip of saying that an unknown [TS]

01:00:14   certain terms and a lot of people who [TS]

01:00:17   have reviewed Sierra have said this [TS]

01:00:20   feature has all sorts of problems now [TS]

01:00:22   one category of problems are even when [TS]

01:00:26   it's working perfectly as far as anyone [TS]

01:00:29   can tell it does things that the user [TS]

01:00:31   doesn't expect in ways that scare people [TS]

01:00:34   like as in where did all my documents go [TS]

01:00:37   even is working correctly it doesn't [TS]

01:00:39   something has some strange behaviors [TS]

01:00:40   were rather than just merging things [TS]

01:00:41   together as soon as you turn it on or if [TS]

01:00:43   you turn it back off or whatever very [TS]

01:00:45   frequently everything on your everything [TS]

01:00:47   on your desktop is only people notice [TS]

01:00:48   because people know what's on the [TS]

01:00:49   desktop or they know like I if your [TS]

01:00:51   message to stop pressing of icons [TS]

01:00:52   everywhere if you saw all those [TS]

01:00:54   disappear [TS]

01:00:54   it doesn't matter if like the files [TS]

01:00:56   aren't actually gone you have that [TS]

01:00:57   moment of panic and you're like huh [TS]

01:00:59   where'd everything go or if everything [TS]

01:01:01   disappears from your documents folder [TS]

01:01:02   you open your documents folder there's [TS]

01:01:04   nothing in it doesn't matter at that [TS]

01:01:06   point whether that data is actually gone [TS]

01:01:09   all that matters is that people briefly [TS]

01:01:10   think it is and that makes people hate [TS]

01:01:12   you Apple so don't do that [TS]

01:01:13   hey no it does do that it has a thing [TS]

01:01:15   moves your actual files aside and then [TS]

01:01:18   like uploads them and then pulls them [TS]

01:01:19   back down from the cloud and tries to [TS]

01:01:21   like I'm not sure why does that [TS]

01:01:23   certainly things like Dropbox or Google [TS]

01:01:25   Drive don't have to do that to function [TS]

01:01:27   they just likes bad your icons and [TS]

01:01:29   slowly make them you know this one is [TS]

01:01:31   successfully uploaded ilysm merge [TS]

01:01:33   conflict like Dropbox is like the [TS]

01:01:34   dumbest little possibly work with like [TS]

01:01:36   renaming your files but at no point does [TS]

01:01:38   it delete your crap at least I haven't [TS]

01:01:40   tried the project anything but the [TS]

01:01:41   regular one doesn't [TS]

01:01:42   so that's that and then the other aspect [TS]

01:01:45   are just plain box where it's supposed [TS]

01:01:47   to do the thing where I moved aside your [TS]

01:01:49   files and put them up to the cloud and [TS]

01:01:51   pulls it back down and murders [TS]

01:01:52   altogether but many people say actually [TS]

01:01:54   didn't do that and when I tried to turn [TS]

01:01:56   off the feature my house went away and [TS]

01:01:58   since they had been successfully [TS]

01:01:59   uploaded I couldn't get them back and [TS]

01:02:00   had to restore from a backup or it [TS]

01:02:03   started trying to sync them but then off [TS]

01:02:04   some numbers couldn't open my [TS]

01:02:05   spreadsheet file because of that [TS]

01:02:06   wonderful area that i was getting four [TS]

01:02:08   pages where it says can't open file [TS]

01:02:09   because reasons sorry and you can never [TS]

01:02:11   open it again [TS]

01:02:12   and I had to just like turn everything [TS]

01:02:13   off and do all my files and restore from [TS]

01:02:16   backup like it is not successfully [TS]

01:02:18   launched feature every single review [TS]

01:02:20   every person i've heard who is used it [TS]

01:02:22   has had some kind of issue now that you [TS]

01:02:24   maybe there's millions of people using [TS]

01:02:25   out there was no issues i don't know but [TS]

01:02:27   there are enough people reporting [TS]

01:02:28   problems that I absolutely positively [TS]

01:02:30   cannot recommend that anybody listening [TS]

01:02:32   to this podcast use that feature even if [TS]

01:02:34   you only have five files even just just [TS]

01:02:36   don't use it because not worth it's not [TS]

01:02:38   worth the risk it's weird it works [TS]

01:02:40   strangely and apparently it has bugs and [TS]

01:02:42   there are other solutions that do [TS]

01:02:43   similar things that are proven to be [TS]

01:02:46   more reliable dropbox cool drive even [TS]

01:02:49   plain old regular iCloud Drive maybe but [TS]

01:02:52   giving your documents folder and your [TS]

01:02:55   desktop to this places where people [TS]

01:02:56   store tons of stuff i think is a very [TS]

01:02:59   bad idea and honestly at this point [TS]

01:03:01   based on how it launched like i was [TS]

01:03:02   saying that WC half stark but half like [TS]

01:03:04   predicting like based on past history [TS]

01:03:05   this is going to be a disaster but who [TS]

01:03:07   knows they could have pulled it off you [TS]

01:03:08   know prove me wrong Apple I probably [TS]

01:03:09   said at some point in that big grant [TS]

01:03:10   they have not proved me wrong [TS]

01:03:13   and given that that's the case i have to [TS]

01:03:15   now think was Sierra crying out like [TS]

01:03:18   what was the mac operating system crying [TS]

01:03:20   out for this feature like they already [TS]

01:03:22   did I cloud drive which is like hey we [TS]

01:03:24   can you dropbox to and in general it's [TS]

01:03:26   not as good as Dropbox but like I feel [TS]

01:03:28   like they take that check box like a you [TS]

01:03:31   buy a mac we give you everything you [TS]

01:03:32   expect from modern computer including a [TS]

01:03:34   cloud-based drive that sinks that you [TS]

01:03:36   pay more for most likely give you that [TS]

01:03:37   they have that I think that I think it's [TS]

01:03:39   important for them to have that I'm glad [TS]

01:03:40   they finally going to the head of what [TS]

01:03:41   they were doing before with the [TS]

01:03:43   documents in the cloud and everything [TS]

01:03:44   like this is better [TS]

01:03:45   they need to also add by the way will [TS]

01:03:48   transfer only sync your documents and [TS]

01:03:50   desktop because desktop is a place that [TS]

01:03:52   people love and people feel comfortable [TS]

01:03:53   with and safe and you make me feel [TS]

01:03:55   really unsafe that's terrible betrayal [TS]

01:03:57   and the documents folder can potentially [TS]

01:04:00   change contain a huge number of things i [TS]

01:04:03   should go look here i want to see how [TS]

01:04:05   many documents i have in my documents [TS]

01:04:08   folder you want a guess while I were [TS]

01:04:09   writing for calculating size to finish [TS]

01:04:11   cheese I mean do you because you carry [TS]

01:04:13   over between installs right so it's like [TS]

01:04:16   years and years and years of accumulated [TS]

01:04:17   documents and stuff [TS]

01:04:18   I wish it had been carried I was [TS]

01:04:20   thinking today about all the computers [TS]

01:04:21   in my ad [TS]

01:04:21   can have like they probably don't work [TS]

01:04:23   anymore because the capsule exploded but [TS]

01:04:24   i was thinking maybe I can salvage from [TS]

01:04:26   the hard drives because hard drive sizes [TS]

01:04:27   have gone hockey stick type of curve i [TS]

01:04:30   always imagined and it's never quite [TS]

01:04:31   paid offering but I always imagined that [TS]

01:04:33   I would be able to take every document i [TS]

01:04:35   had on my five megabyte hard drive and [TS]

01:04:38   put it on my 32 megabyte hard drive and [TS]

01:04:40   every document of my 32 megabyte hard [TS]

01:04:42   drive and put it on my hundred megabyte [TS]

01:04:44   hard drive it like you know just [TS]

01:04:44   basically bringing everything along with [TS]

01:04:46   me forever and ever because I could take [TS]

01:04:48   all the documents on every single [TS]

01:04:50   computer in my attic for like the 68 que [TS]

01:04:52   era and put them on you know at any [TS]

01:04:56   little folder my CB storage space has [TS]

01:04:57   gone up so much that there's no reason [TS]

01:04:59   you can't have everything that happening [TS]

01:05:01   it hasn't happened that way like I've [TS]

01:05:03   gone through discontinuities where I [TS]

01:05:05   upgrade to a bigger computer but don't [TS]

01:05:07   bring over every single fathers are not [TS]

01:05:08   relevant anymore like all Mike my [TS]

01:05:11   confabulating themes and my icon [TS]

01:05:13   collections for 32 by 32 icons and stuff [TS]

01:05:15   like that [TS]

01:05:16   I kind of those behind i want to go [TS]

01:05:18   retrieve them because i feel like the [TS]

01:05:19   total size that is only gonna be like a [TS]

01:05:21   couple gigs or something it would be [TS]

01:05:23   great to have all that but in practice I [TS]

01:05:26   don't have a lot of old stuff and it's [TS]

01:05:28   kind of a shame [TS]

01:05:29   anyway my thing just finished I want to [TS]

01:05:32   guess how many many documents and how [TS]

01:05:34   many things are files are my documents [TS]

01:05:36   folder i would guess easily a hundred [TS]

01:05:40   thousand Margo I'd go a little lower I'd [TS]

01:05:43   say more like your price-is-rite [TS]

01:05:44   one-dollar one dollar and I think more [TS]

01:05:46   like maybe 20,000 my documents folder [TS]

01:05:49   contains 1 million 890 7950 items gosh [TS]

01:05:55   this is that one for chrome tab didn't [TS]

01:05:59   can you imagine pointing like checking [TS]

01:06:02   that checkbox in this computer and say [TS]

01:06:04   oh yeah no sure [TS]

01:06:05   icloud go ahead go ahead with that like [TS]

01:06:07   this virtual machine that's in there at [TS]

01:06:09   multiple virtual machine files there's [TS]

01:06:12   huge numbers of things that my dropbox [TS]

01:06:14   doesn't contain that i'm not insane like [TS]

01:06:16   not even having a one terabyte like but [TS]

01:06:20   the documents folder it is essentially [TS]

01:06:22   where every and this is include you know [TS]

01:06:24   movies are mostly on my synology and [TS]

01:06:26   photos are mostly my photos library so [TS]

01:06:28   the movies and photos libraries have [TS]

01:06:29   really pared-down although there is some [TS]

01:06:30   old crap in there like [TS]

01:06:31   I movie things I made the kids and [TS]

01:06:32   everything but documents like that is [TS]

01:06:35   that is potentially limitless like [TS]

01:06:37   that's where for most normal people now [TS]

01:06:39   that you know photos puts everything in [TS]

01:06:41   your library folder everything documents [TS]

01:06:44   should contain all of your documents and [TS]

01:06:46   maybe you don't have 1.2 million up [TS]

01:06:47   fine whatever but it's enough that i [TS]

01:06:49   wouldn't say you know go ahead sink this [TS]

01:06:53   with your reliable singing christmas [TS]

01:06:54   system all sure we'll be fine so as I [TS]

01:06:57   was saying before this is a type of [TS]

01:06:59   feature like did we really need this [TS]

01:07:01   feature is this a net win for the mac is [TS]

01:07:03   a platform reputation like it must take [TS]

01:07:06   a lot of effort to make this feature [TS]

01:07:07   it's complicated it's hard to do well [TS]

01:07:08   you spent that time and money and what [TS]

01:07:11   you got out of it was a thing that makes [TS]

01:07:12   people not trust you in the same areas [TS]

01:07:14   that interest you before and it's not [TS]

01:07:16   making a better product if you could [TS]

01:07:17   have taken that time and energy and put [TS]

01:07:18   it towards something else I think it [TS]

01:07:21   would have been a better use of your [TS]

01:07:23   time or maybe just dedicated this and [TS]

01:07:24   say look even though the first one's [TS]

01:07:25   gonna be crappy we're going to work on [TS]

01:07:27   it until it gets better which you know [TS]

01:07:28   examples credit they have been improving [TS]

01:07:30   the cloud stuff slowly but surely the [TS]

01:07:31   trajectory is the correct direction [TS]

01:07:32   slope just isn't particularly high and [TS]

01:07:34   there are lots of backsliding so no this [TS]

01:07:37   is not a if i had written as the error [TS]

01:07:39   review i would spend a long time sort of [TS]

01:07:42   condemning this feature specifically and [TS]

01:07:45   everything surrounding have apple can [TS]

01:07:47   get its act together on this going off [TS]

01:07:48   into like my usual rants about why is [TS]

01:07:52   this such a fundamental incompetency for [TS]

01:07:55   the company and even though improving [TS]

01:07:57   their why they moving slowly why can't [TS]

01:07:59   everybody else do this so well relative [TS]

01:08:02   dapple i don't know all i know is that [TS]

01:08:04   my worst fear with Sierra was it would [TS]

01:08:06   be on by default and I would somehow [TS]

01:08:07   have to like install with like the [TS]

01:08:09   ethernet cable unplugged to make sure [TS]

01:08:11   that doesn't even attempt to do anything [TS]

01:08:12   and just like stop it and apparently [TS]

01:08:14   it's not on by default and it's got to [TS]

01:08:16   be really careful not to be fooled by [TS]

01:08:17   the wording into activating this feature [TS]

01:08:20   yeah i mean this this thing this kind of [TS]

01:08:22   thing worries me because you know not [TS]

01:08:25   you know not only the the reliability [TS]

01:08:27   issues and you know perception and then [TS]

01:08:29   reputation of you know if your customers [TS]

01:08:31   and cut and potential customer data loss [TS]

01:08:33   but you know if this goes wrong or [TS]

01:08:34   thinking it went wrong but overall like [TS]

01:08:37   and I've used this ramp before so I'll [TS]

01:08:39   be brief [TS]

01:08:40   it worries me how little the mac is [TS]

01:08:43   getting attention these days [TS]

01:08:45   not because it really needs a ton of [TS]

01:08:47   changes i mean it is a mature platform [TS]

01:08:49   and I wouldn't say Mac OS is done and [TS]

01:08:52   needs nothing else and I wouldn't even [TS]

01:08:54   say that it doesn't need anything big [TS]

01:08:56   because it could use big improvements [TS]

01:08:59   things like modernizing the app get [TS]

01:09:02   framework to be more like you i cater a [TS]

01:09:04   lot more code sharing their cellular [TS]

01:09:06   data monitoring and being able to have [TS]

01:09:08   cellular max and have that like which [TS]

01:09:10   the the fundamentals of that are all [TS]

01:09:13   there but bring up there all the apps [TS]

01:09:14   require a little more you know a little [TS]

01:09:16   more more working and stuff like that [TS]

01:09:17   that that stuff exists that can be done [TS]

01:09:20   like that that can be improved [TS]

01:09:22   I'm not sure ever will be anymore [TS]

01:09:24   because when you look at where Apple [TS]

01:09:28   prioritizes resources it seems like [TS]

01:09:30   especially in the most recent years [TS]

01:09:32   there they're prioritizing resources in [TS]

01:09:35   basically you know where the money comes [TS]

01:09:37   from and so on iOS gets the most [TS]

01:09:39   resources and that's probably a smart [TS]

01:09:40   move like you know if you look at it [TS]

01:09:42   objectively that's probably smart it [TS]

01:09:43   does kind of suck those of us on the mac [TS]

01:09:45   side who we care a lot about this [TS]

01:09:46   platform though and the Mac doesn't get [TS]

01:09:47   a lot of attention anymore [TS]

01:09:49   what I worry about is is not the mac [TS]

01:09:52   will just kind of stagnate forever but [TS]

01:09:54   that it will get updates for with new [TS]

01:09:57   features like this like this weird you [TS]

01:10:00   know I cloud desktop documents think [TS]

01:10:01   thing that are actually bad like that [TS]

01:10:04   that that will get this kind of like [TS]

01:10:05   drive-by updates that you know it isn't [TS]

01:10:08   high enough priority to really do this [TS]

01:10:09   well and knock out of the park and get [TS]

01:10:11   the resources it needs to to be good but [TS]

01:10:15   they basically use the mac as kind of [TS]

01:10:18   like you know you know something to [TS]

01:10:20   support the marketing messages and [TS]

01:10:23   everything else is there other services [TS]

01:10:24   or they kind of like giving lip service [TS]

01:10:27   updates where they assign a small amount [TS]

01:10:30   of resources to it occasionally to [TS]

01:10:32   update something around a new feature [TS]

01:10:33   but they're not giving it enough to [TS]

01:10:35   really do it well so it isn't just the [TS]

01:10:37   mac OS will stagnate it's that if if [TS]

01:10:40   Apple starts being a little bit careless [TS]

01:10:42   and cavalier with some of these new [TS]

01:10:44   features will actually get worse [TS]

01:10:46   that is what I'm worried about you know [TS]

01:10:48   if they ignore forever that's also [TS]

01:10:49   really unfortunate and i would i would [TS]

01:10:51   not be happy but happy about that either [TS]

01:10:52   but if they actually start being less [TS]

01:10:55   careful with updating it that is [TS]

01:10:57   actually work [TS]

01:10:58   then not updating it thatthat's admit [TS]

01:11:00   that's a little concern here I don't [TS]

01:11:02   think they're making it worse [TS]

01:11:03   like I think there is like an unforced [TS]

01:11:05   error like they there's no reason that [TS]

01:11:07   they had to add this feature and they [TS]

01:11:09   added it and it's not good and using it [TS]

01:11:11   makes the experience work but overall [TS]

01:11:12   the OS is still better like if you just [TS]

01:11:14   pretend the speaker doesn't exist [TS]

01:11:16   everything that you were using before is [TS]

01:11:18   at least the same or presumably more [TS]

01:11:20   efficient and faster or whatever and [TS]

01:11:22   they fixed a bunch of bugs and stuff [TS]

01:11:23   like that and they have ended useful [TS]

01:11:25   than like the picture-in-picture stop [TS]

01:11:27   the thing was not technically that [TS]

01:11:28   impressive but makes a big [TS]

01:11:29   quality-of-life difference for people [TS]

01:11:30   who like want to just watch a video [TS]

01:11:32   this is i mean this is this is exactly [TS]

01:11:34   what they were doing like identifying [TS]

01:11:35   what is the thing that people do all the [TS]

01:11:37   time that we can make it easier at the [TS]

01:11:39   OS level thing that people do all the [TS]

01:11:40   time is they have video playing some [TS]

01:11:42   window i usually a web browser window [TS]

01:11:45   but web browsers usually for I don't [TS]

01:11:47   know how people do their minor basically [TS]

01:11:49   like sheets of paper write that [TS]

01:11:50   proportion but that's not the right [TS]

01:11:51   proportion of the video so they take one [TS]

01:11:53   of the web browser windows and either a [TS]

01:11:55   resize it or if they can't tolerate [TS]

01:11:56   doing that because they're like me and [TS]

01:11:58   don't want the default window size to [TS]

01:11:59   change their like scrolling hat you know [TS]

01:12:01   dragon half off the screen so just the [TS]

01:12:03   video is showing with them is like the [TS]

01:12:04   ad banner on the top and I try to it you [TS]

01:12:06   know you're trying to get it so you can [TS]

01:12:07   just see the video part and not all the [TS]

01:12:09   stupid ads around in the browser Chrome [TS]

01:12:11   and have it off to the side but still do [TS]

01:12:13   the other stuff you're doing your work [TS]

01:12:15   or if your full screen you can even do [TS]

01:12:16   that you have to put the video on a [TS]

01:12:17   second monitor or something [TS]

01:12:18   picture-in-picture totally solved that [TS]

01:12:20   something they can do really easily so [TS]

01:12:22   they can build into one of their bundle [TS]

01:12:23   the applications that really makes [TS]

01:12:24   quality of life term same thing with the [TS]

01:12:26   tab windows which is a lot of people [TS]

01:12:28   want tabs we can build it into our [TS]

01:12:29   default controls a bunch of applications [TS]

01:12:31   get free if you don't want you don't [TS]

01:12:32   have to have it if you're a developer [TS]

01:12:34   you don't like it you can opt out of it [TS]

01:12:36   but it's the same tabcontrol we've been [TS]

01:12:38   using safari it's the bug code for the [TS]

01:12:40   most part and people like tabs like [TS]

01:12:43   those of things they can do on top of [TS]

01:12:45   make it faster now what I'm looking for [TS]

01:12:49   this point it's like six texts on tech [TS]

01:12:51   underpinnings you know improve that [TS]

01:12:52   stuff make it faster make it more [TS]

01:12:54   efficient with memory new files in which [TS]

01:12:55   they did and you know it's just a [TS]

01:12:57   developer building this one but like all [TS]

01:12:59   that stuff they're doing that stuff [TS]

01:13:00   excites me and think makes the product [TS]

01:13:01   better and features getting big features [TS]

01:13:05   like desktop and documents think that [TS]

01:13:08   don't work again i don't think it makes [TS]

01:13:11   a difference in worse if you don't [TS]

01:13:12   use them but it's an unforced error no [TS]

01:13:15   one asked you to do that and now you [TS]

01:13:16   messed it up and if people do look in [TS]

01:13:18   that Park they feel bad about you and [TS]

01:13:20   they feel worse about your operating [TS]

01:13:21   system so you know on the bright side [TS]

01:13:23   the new desktop background looks really [TS]

01:13:24   good [TS]

01:13:25   so yes haha oh my god i feel like that's [TS]

01:13:30   the most that's the most compelling new [TS]

01:13:31   feature of the biggest water people see [TS]

01:13:34   like when my wife comes home the only [TS]

01:13:35   reason she will know that upgraded is [TS]

01:13:37   still be a different picture of [TS]

01:13:37   mountains of them actually really like [TS]

01:13:39   the the El Cap background picture like [TS]

01:13:41   the default one she just kept that that [TS]

01:13:42   was a really nice background right and [TS]

01:13:44   it did you know to apples credit i can [TS]

01:13:47   do this and we upgrade it didn't change [TS]

01:13:48   it it kept the old one but i like this [TS]

01:13:50   errand so change this year and I think [TS]

01:13:52   that's the only thing you'll notice and [TS]

01:13:53   like what is that funny color icon up in [TS]

01:13:54   the right i still have not spoken to the [TS]

01:13:56   computer [TS]

01:13:57   oh yeah neither have I not use Siri at [TS]

01:13:59   all but I I suppose I might at some [TS]

01:14:02   point in the future maybe now I [TS]

01:14:04   completely agree with you i don't i feel [TS]

01:14:06   i don't mean to to come across i don't [TS]

01:14:09   think any of us mean to come across a [TS]

01:14:12   negative about any of this its I I don't [TS]

01:14:15   want to speak to you guys necessarily [TS]

01:14:17   but i'm not- about it it's just know the [TS]

01:14:19   headlining features are features that [TS]

01:14:22   fix problems that I don't have I don't [TS]

01:14:23   feel like I've ever really wanted to [TS]

01:14:25   speak to my computer to use Siri in that [TS]

01:14:27   way i don't think i've ever really [TS]

01:14:31   wanted my stuff mirrored in the cloud [TS]

01:14:33   transparently a picture-in-picture does [TS]

01:14:37   sound very appealing to me to be honest [TS]

01:14:38   i just keep forgetting the thing and [TS]

01:14:39   Sierra now and and I my message stuff is [TS]

01:14:42   great the watch unlock it is very good i [TS]

01:14:44   wish it was a bit faster but it's very [TS]

01:14:46   good it's very freaking cool and maybe [TS]

01:14:48   you know in a month or a week or two or [TS]

01:14:50   something like maybe I'll find that that [TS]

01:14:51   feature that I say oh my gosh i can't [TS]

01:14:53   live without it but just only a week or [TS]

01:14:56   two in so far I haven't found that [TS]

01:14:58   feature yet [TS]

01:14:59   speaking of things that he people [TS]

01:15:02   predict will not work and actually don't [TS]

01:15:04   work because the predictions are right [TS]

01:15:06   things [TS]

01:15:08   alright this is having to watch unlock [TS]

01:15:10   as well but things that are related to [TS]

01:15:12   airdrop handoff or related [TS]

01:15:16   synchronization without wires [TS]

01:15:18   technologies between iOS devices in the [TS]

01:15:20   macro always been a little bit weird and [TS]

01:15:22   have [TS]

01:15:23   not really gotten less weird and the one [TS]

01:15:24   that I think of in Sierra is the the [TS]

01:15:28   clipboard sync between iOS devices and [TS]

01:15:30   max which totally sounds like an awesome [TS]

01:15:31   feature but you just know you just know [TS]

01:15:35   based on past experience like you're [TS]

01:15:37   excited for the feature then you're like [TS]

01:15:39   oh but does not actually gonna work [TS]

01:15:41   reliably you just know it's not going to [TS]

01:15:44   work reliably and everyone test it says [TS]

01:15:46   it works most of the time but sometimes [TS]

01:15:48   it doesn't mean you don't know why I [TS]

01:15:49   like yep that's exactly how all these [TS]

01:15:51   features work handoff airdrop universal [TS]

01:15:54   Flipboard sink [TS]

01:15:55   although I totally expect to work most [TS]

01:15:57   of the time but sometimes not work for [TS]

01:16:00   inexplicable reasons that you can't do [TS]

01:16:02   anything about and that never change [TS]

01:16:03   year after year after year and that is [TS]

01:16:06   the world like jason has great three [TS]

01:16:08   paragraphs which is like a [TS]

01:16:08   three-paragraph concise Jason's now [TS]

01:16:10   style version of the seven pages I would [TS]

01:16:13   have written with exactly the sentiment [TS]

01:16:14   tried to tweet a quote from and i'll try [TS]

01:16:17   to read here is like he's frustrated [TS]

01:16:19   with the cloud sync feature whatever of [TS]

01:16:21   the document sizes [TS]

01:16:22   what's going on I don't know this is a [TS]

01:16:24   feature without an interface is really [TS]

01:16:26   no way to debug it sometimes it worked [TS]

01:16:28   and that's pretty cool and then [TS]

01:16:29   sometimes it just doesn't work [TS]

01:16:30   that's frustrating like that's exactly [TS]

01:16:32   so many apple features recently [TS]

01:16:34   specifically related to this technology [TS]

01:16:36   we just know they've been out for years [TS]

01:16:37   it's just it's gonna be like that and [TS]

01:16:40   it's not the end of the world like if it [TS]

01:16:41   doesn't work it's not like you're losing [TS]

01:16:42   data it's not you know it's not the same [TS]

01:16:44   as the documents that you know you're [TS]

01:16:46   also what your clipboard didn't sink or [TS]

01:16:48   whatever but like why what is stopping [TS]

01:16:50   this from working reliably almost a [TS]

01:16:54   hundred percent of the time the first [TS]

01:16:55   one find the first few years you're [TS]

01:16:57   working out the kinks or whatever but [TS]

01:16:58   are we just now resigned to the fact [TS]

01:17:00   that anything that has to do with like [TS]

01:17:02   the singing the clipboard i think is [TS]

01:17:04   especially for small clipboard items [TS]

01:17:06   even got like a size limit that's as [TS]

01:17:08   basic as you can get and like look there [TS]

01:17:09   is there's a wireless feature that we [TS]

01:17:10   have that uses Bluetooth or Wi-Fi [TS]

01:17:13   whatever how magic were using to hand [TS]

01:17:16   off the data from a mac to an iOS device [TS]

01:17:19   that sitting on your desk is there some [TS]

01:17:22   technical reason why that can eventually [TS]

01:17:24   after several years become a reliable [TS]

01:17:27   enough that we don't talk about you know [TS]

01:17:29   that it almost never fails [TS]

01:17:32   apparently the answer is no and I'm like [TS]

01:17:33   just don't make any more of those [TS]

01:17:35   features if you can't make [TS]

01:17:36   the ones you have work if you can't make [TS]

01:17:37   clipboard sink work forget about any of [TS]

01:17:40   the fancy ones right and you know [TS]

01:17:42   everything is like hand off when i was [TS]

01:17:44   testing out my review it worked pretty [TS]

01:17:46   reliably but because it's a beta the one [TS]

01:17:48   time out of a hundred that doesn't work [TS]

01:17:49   like a lot of beta but three years later [TS]

01:17:51   like this is a beta like I don't know [TS]

01:17:53   why it's not working again as Jason said [TS]

01:17:55   there's no interface is nothing for you [TS]

01:17:56   to look at the view to debug there's no [TS]

01:17:58   way you can make it work [TS]

01:18:00   aside from Michael let me just reboot [TS]

01:18:01   and cross my fingers or something [TS]

01:18:02   incredibly frustrating and I feel like [TS]

01:18:06   that's you know whatever that problem is [TS]

01:18:08   that is bad for apples image it's bad [TS]

01:18:12   because we won't use the new features if [TS]

01:18:14   they don't work and people abandon them [TS]

01:18:16   I'm it's bad that Apple needs to figure [TS]

01:18:17   out like why can we not make this work [TS]

01:18:19   if there's some technical reason don't [TS]

01:18:20   make any more features like this but [TS]

01:18:22   there's not figure out what it is that's [TS]

01:18:23   causing this to continue to be a problem [TS]

01:18:26   especially it gets worse for things like [TS]

01:18:28   universal clipboard is like I would [TS]

01:18:29   totally use that feature i want that [TS]

01:18:31   feature that would be a future I'd be [TS]

01:18:32   excited about but it's you know everyone [TS]

01:18:35   has used in tried it said I was really [TS]

01:18:37   excited about this feature too but [TS]

01:18:38   sometimes doesn't work and i just [TS]

01:18:39   eventually come to not rely on it and it [TS]

01:18:41   frustrates me when I needed it doesn't [TS]

01:18:43   work so this is this is the one time [TS]

01:18:46   where i will say i am an airdrop unicorn [TS]

01:18:50   it always works for me and I i feel like [TS]

01:18:53   the what what makes it always worked for [TS]

01:18:55   me is kind of a few luxury they have [TS]

01:18:57   being a work-at-home person [TS]

01:18:59   first of all I have you know my my 1 mac [TS]

01:19:03   and my one phone and occasionally tips [TS]

01:19:05   phone that are involved with like a [TS]

01:19:07   small number of devices [TS]

01:19:08   I set them all to accept from everyone [TS]

01:19:11   that is very very important if you don't [TS]

01:19:14   set at least the receiving one if you [TS]

01:19:16   don't set the receiving was always my [TS]

01:19:17   mac to accept from everyone i found it [TS]

01:19:20   works way less often and obviously there [TS]

01:19:23   are certain situations where you [TS]

01:19:24   probably shouldn't have it that way for [TS]

01:19:26   me airdrop works great and I use it all [TS]

01:19:28   the time [TS]

01:19:29   almost always i will use it to send a [TS]

01:19:31   photo I just took from my phone to my [TS]

01:19:34   imac because it's faster than I [TS]

01:19:36   photosinc and maybe maybe it's on it's [TS]

01:19:39   from a phone that maybe doesn't have [TS]

01:19:40   icloud photo library so like a developer [TS]

01:19:42   phones and a screenshot or something [TS]

01:19:43   like that [TS]

01:19:44   it's great i use it all the time yeah I [TS]

01:19:46   wouldn't say I'm a unicorn but I'm a [TS]

01:19:49   horse [TS]

01:19:50   who is stuck like a little unicorn thing [TS]

01:19:52   to his head you know what it like we [TS]

01:19:55   only got like a horn hat [TS]

01:19:56   yeah pretty pretty much i die i say that [TS]

01:19:59   what I mean is it doesn't work all the [TS]

01:20:01   time for me and Josh when it doesn't [TS]

01:20:03   work it is so frustrating but it does [TS]

01:20:06   work pretty darn often for me so I I'm [TS]

01:20:10   pretty satisfied with their drop i agree [TS]

01:20:12   with you that I see things appearing and [TS]

01:20:15   disappearing from my doc all the time [TS]

01:20:16   from handoff i almost never use it but [TS]

01:20:19   it seems to be working well enough that [TS]

01:20:22   things are appearing constantly so i [TS]

01:20:25   don't really have any complaints about [TS]

01:20:26   those features i've yet to try the [TS]

01:20:29   clipboard sink but I've heard a lot of [TS]

01:20:32   mixed reviews about it but I hope it [TS]

01:20:33   works because I be another one that'd be [TS]

01:20:35   great [TS]

01:20:36   that would compel me to upgrade say my [TS]

01:20:39   work Mac oh yeah i mean i would i would [TS]

01:20:41   also like that would be a major feature [TS]

01:20:43   for me too i'm going to announce that I [TS]

01:20:44   thought all finally this is great [TS]

01:20:46   yeah but the reports that I'm here so [TS]

01:20:48   far not only that doesn't always work [TS]

01:20:49   but also it's a little bit slow and that [TS]

01:20:52   I'd like that's the kind of feature [TS]

01:20:53   where if it if you're going to have that [TS]

01:20:54   feature it has to be fast and reliable [TS]

01:20:56   if it's if it's only one or neither of [TS]

01:20:59   those things that's that's going to make [TS]

01:21:00   it hard to really get into your workflow [TS]

01:21:01   didn't somebody say also that doesn't [TS]

01:21:04   work with at least whatever clipboard [TS]

01:21:06   history thing they were using like that [TS]

01:21:07   it wouldn't it wouldn't be added to the [TS]

01:21:09   history like I i use clip art history [TS]

01:21:11   all the time and if this feature kills [TS]

01:21:13   my clip art history that would be a [TS]

01:21:14   reason for me not to upgrade because I'm [TS]

01:21:16   the most exciting thing I got my mac [TS]

01:21:18   recently is that a spot beta for the mac [TS]

01:21:20   i already had it you know if i've been [TS]

01:21:22   using various clipboard history things [TS]

01:21:24   in the mac the 1i that i'd sell on [TS]

01:21:26   before its jump cut this open source [TS]

01:21:27   thing which is really ugly and silly but [TS]

01:21:29   it's very reliable and small and i've [TS]

01:21:30   been using it i switch to pay spot which [TS]

01:21:32   is much fancier like I was probably too [TS]

01:21:34   fancy but i really like it i like that [TS]

01:21:36   it feels like it's going to be a more [TS]

01:21:38   supported product in the open source [TS]

01:21:39   jump-cut and it certainly looks nicer [TS]

01:21:41   and has some interface niceties but I i [TS]

01:21:44   need that feature like my use of a Mac [TS]

01:21:46   it's kind of like window shade used to [TS]

01:21:47   be all those other things like you come [TS]

01:21:49   to rely on them at this point a Mac [TS]

01:21:52   without clip art history we feel broken [TS]

01:21:53   to make so Sierra breaks my clipboard [TS]

01:21:55   history like going to be really sad and [TS]

01:21:57   just be looking for ways to find the [TS]

01:21:59   secret plist thing that I can set to [TS]

01:22:01   make it not to clip [TS]

01:22:02   or universal court stuff well I as far [TS]

01:22:04   as i know i don't think it actually [TS]

01:22:05   breaks clipboard history locally i think [TS]

01:22:07   it just I think the things that are that [TS]

01:22:09   are remotely brought in from the devices [TS]

01:22:10   just never actually they don't actually [TS]

01:22:12   hit your clipboard [TS]

01:22:13   yeah they don't get don't get pulled [TS]

01:22:15   until you paste I think this thing like [TS]

01:22:16   it doesn't go to yeah and actually [TS]

01:22:18   transferred when you copy or paste it [TS]

01:22:19   does when you copy rather it's when you [TS]

01:22:21   paste on the foreign machine that is all [TS]

01:22:23   I actually want to pull it and maybe [TS]

01:22:24   that's why it's unreliable because it's [TS]

01:22:25   not doing it at the time you're initiate [TS]

01:22:27   has to then go back to the phone and say [TS]

01:22:30   I'll give me that thing that you said [TS]

01:22:31   you had for me and it was like what i'm [TS]

01:22:33   totally doing something different hang [TS]

01:22:34   on i don't know what the problem is and [TS]

01:22:36   here's the thing about these types of [TS]

01:22:37   features like like airdrop or whatever [TS]

01:22:39   even if your dutiful and you're like I'm [TS]

01:22:41   gonna file boxes it's impossible to file [TS]

01:22:43   a bug like this one time it didn't work [TS]

01:22:45   and I go you know you could send all the [TS]

01:22:48   system reports you want and give them [TS]

01:22:49   all the information and try to give them [TS]

01:22:51   like logs and I was just like I don't [TS]

01:22:53   know why didn't work [TS]

01:22:54   like I don't know like it's not it's not [TS]

01:22:56   reproducible because you tried again and [TS]

01:22:58   it works fine and you're like what were [TS]

01:22:59   you doing differently that time I don't [TS]

01:23:01   know so it's it's the worst kind of bug [TS]

01:23:03   reports so incredibly frustrating as a [TS]

01:23:04   developer you're like I can't fix your [TS]

01:23:07   thing if the people who are developing [TS]

01:23:08   your clipboard and over like they can't [TS]

01:23:10   fix my thing if I can't explain to [TS]

01:23:12   happen to make it how how to make it [TS]

01:23:13   fail and if it's always a hundred [TS]

01:23:15   percent succeeds for them and all their [TS]

01:23:16   automated testing everything like I [TS]

01:23:18   don't know what to tell them but it's [TS]

01:23:20   you know people out in the world are [TS]

01:23:22   having it fail and there's nothing they [TS]

01:23:24   can do about it and the people who write [TS]

01:23:26   the software [TS]

01:23:27   I'm not shows and making do about [TS]

01:23:29   getting you know ID give me a failing [TS]

01:23:31   test case give me a reproducible bug's [TS]

01:23:33   otherwise it's just you saying this bad [TS]

01:23:34   thing happened once and i have no idea [TS]

01:23:36   why transponder this week is a glue [TS]

01:23:39   software go to a glue software com / ATP [TS]

01:23:43   for an intranet you will actually like [TS]

01:23:45   anybody that's work in a corporate [TS]

01:23:47   environment knows how painful internets [TS]

01:23:49   usually are the content can be stale the [TS]

01:23:52   interface is usually really hideously [TS]

01:23:54   ugly and you can access it on actual [TS]

01:23:56   phones or any kind of modern computing [TS]

01:23:58   device iPads and things like that [TS]

01:24:00   igloo is an internet you'll actually [TS]

01:24:02   like because designed for the users and [TS]

01:24:06   it's designed with modern technology in [TS]

01:24:07   mind so igloo gives you the flexibility [TS]

01:24:10   to get your work done how you want where [TS]

01:24:12   you want and whatever device you want [TS]

01:24:14   igloo is truly building a product meant [TS]

01:24:16   for the modern-day not the nineties [TS]

01:24:19   share news you can organize your files [TS]

01:24:21   you can coordinate calendars and manage [TS]

01:24:23   projects all in one place [TS]

01:24:25   everything can optionally be social with [TS]

01:24:27   comments and like buttons anybody can [TS]

01:24:29   add content based on their permissions [TS]

01:24:31   with drag-and-drop widgets and what you [TS]

01:24:33   see is what you get [TS]

01:24:34   editor and igloo makes use of modern web [TS]

01:24:37   technologies and responsive web design [TS]

01:24:38   so it looks fantastic on all your [TS]

01:24:41   devices from your computer's down to [TS]

01:24:43   your mobile devices and they really go [TS]

01:24:45   way above and beyond to support all the [TS]

01:24:48   features that they possibly can on [TS]

01:24:50   mobile things like document annotations [TS]

01:24:52   that a lot of times it's hard to hard to [TS]

01:24:54   get working on mobile or its its kind of [TS]

01:24:55   assumed that you know your enterprise [TS]

01:24:57   offer won't have those features a mobile [TS]

01:24:59   igloo actually get to work and they get [TS]

01:25:01   to work for everything from the brand [TS]

01:25:03   newest iPad down to BlackBerry's like [TS]

01:25:06   they really get everything working so [TS]

01:25:07   see for yourself today they have a [TS]

01:25:09   wonderful free trial option go to a glue [TS]

01:25:11   software com / ATP for a free trial and [TS]

01:25:15   get started today thank you very much to [TS]

01:25:17   a glue for sponsoring our show [TS]

01:25:22   since we've spoken last the iOS 10.1 [TS]

01:25:26   beta has been released which includes [TS]

01:25:29   the portrait feature for the seven plus [TS]

01:25:33   and this portrait feature basically is [TS]

01:25:36   doing a faux bois okay gosh i watch that [TS]

01:25:42   video on how to pronounce inquiry for [TS]

01:25:43   comment is the answer is whatever we say [TS]

01:25:45   is wrong so continue [TS]

01:25:46   yeah fair enough so anyway so it does [TS]

01:25:49   the focus is what we'll talk and call it [TS]

01:25:51   and and so what it does is it does a [TS]

01:25:53   background blur behind the person or in [TS]

01:25:57   some instances object that you're taking [TS]

01:25:59   a photograph of and so there's a [TS]

01:26:02   write-up on this from Matthew James reno [TS]

01:26:04   and then there's been plenty of stuff [TS]

01:26:07   put out by cindy caldwell Lex Friedman [TS]

01:26:10   has been posting pictures to Instagram [TS]

01:26:11   that i'm pretty sure are using this [TS]

01:26:15   feature although I have not confirmed [TS]

01:26:16   that with him and I gotta tell you at a [TS]

01:26:20   glance at a glance they look pretty darn [TS]

01:26:23   good under inspection even for me and I [TS]

01:26:27   don't have the most discerning eye [TS]

01:26:29   some of them look still a good and some [TS]

01:26:32   of them just look like they're somehow [TS]

01:26:33   wrong even if I can't put my finger on [TS]

01:26:36   them [TS]

01:26:37   I am I probably have the least [TS]

01:26:39   discerning eye of the three of us and [TS]

01:26:40   Marco as the person who I think is [TS]

01:26:41   closest to a a quote-unquote real [TS]

01:26:44   photographer how how do you feel about [TS]

01:26:46   this in and what are you thinking about [TS]

01:26:48   this feature you know my my thinking has [TS]

01:26:51   evolved as I thought about it more and [TS]

01:26:53   as I've seen a lot of people's pictures [TS]

01:26:54   you know it before we can really only [TS]

01:26:56   see apple's pictures and now that [TS]

01:26:57   they've released this beta now anybody [TS]

01:26:59   with plus 7 plus can can make their own [TS]

01:27:02   and so lots of our friends have it we're [TS]

01:27:04   seeing in this particular place and [TS]

01:27:06   ultimately I think they look pretty [TS]

01:27:07   decent for what they're doing now what [TS]

01:27:10   they're doing is not replicating an SLR [TS]

01:27:13   however if you view these photos on a [TS]

01:27:16   phone and you're doing a casual look [TS]

01:27:19   like reading through Instagram feed or [TS]

01:27:22   whatever the kids using these days then [TS]

01:27:24   they look pretty good [TS]

01:27:26   and if you compare it to slrs and you [TS]

01:27:29   know quote real cameras that are that [TS]

01:27:31   are generating real background blur you [TS]

01:27:33   know using the [TS]

01:27:35   actual properties of the optics and and [TS]

01:27:37   the shape of the aperture blades and [TS]

01:27:39   everything else like to to really [TS]

01:27:40   generate the the nice pleasing looking [TS]

01:27:43   blur and the various shapes of the of [TS]

01:27:44   the circles and everything if you [TS]

01:27:46   compare it to that it doesn't it's not [TS]

01:27:49   even close like that the real optic [TS]

01:27:51   version of this looks way nicer and [TS]

01:27:53   doesn't have a few of the artifacts that [TS]

01:27:55   the fake one does that photographers [TS]

01:27:57   will notice things like be blurry edges [TS]

01:27:59   around subjects that the that the [TS]

01:28:01   fucking mode has but if you if you have [TS]

01:28:04   your SLR just use your SLR for all the [TS]

01:28:08   other times for either you don't own an [TS]

01:28:11   SLR or you do have one but it's not with [TS]

01:28:13   you [TS]

01:28:14   it's kind of amazing that a phone can [TS]

01:28:17   generate pictures that look this good [TS]

01:28:19   now that being said the regular pictures [TS]

01:28:22   from both the iphone 7 cameras already [TS]

01:28:25   look fantastic and the the fake blur [TS]

01:28:28   effect is literally just like you know [TS]

01:28:32   it's kind of like Instagram filter it's [TS]

01:28:33   like you can take very good pictures [TS]

01:28:36   without it but if you want this kind of [TS]

01:28:38   look you can fake it with this with this [TS]

01:28:40   kind of you know if with us kind of [TS]

01:28:42   software effect it's a really [TS]

01:28:44   good-looking approximation if you don't [TS]

01:28:46   look too closely or if you're skimming [TS]

01:28:49   by its really nice that it's there [TS]

01:28:51   because it's better than not being [TS]

01:28:52   available at all [TS]

01:28:53   however if you really want something to [TS]

01:28:56   look really good with that look you know [TS]

01:28:58   a real camera doing it optically will [TS]

01:29:02   look way better but in in practice in [TS]

01:29:05   the modern world that doesn't really [TS]

01:29:07   matter [TS]

01:29:08   no I think I've gone the other direction [TS]

01:29:10   from Marco because he's coming around [TS]

01:29:12   like oh you know it's not as good as it [TS]

01:29:14   could be but it's better like the more [TS]

01:29:16   of these pictures I see the more I'm [TS]

01:29:18   convinced that certainly I would never [TS]

01:29:20   willingly do this and the morons that [TS]

01:29:23   nobody else should do this either they [TS]

01:29:25   look really really bad to me like the [TS]

01:29:28   only time I thought I can get any value [TS]

01:29:30   out of them [TS]

01:29:31   is it is a picture where the background [TS]

01:29:34   is really busy and would detract from [TS]

01:29:36   the intended subject matter and in this [TS]

01:29:38   case the terrible or they apply helps [TS]

01:29:41   emphasize the part of the picture I'm [TS]

01:29:42   supposed to be looking at but it always [TS]

01:29:44   looks terrible [TS]

01:29:45   like I'm i'm not an expert in [TS]

01:29:47   photography I don't even know what it is [TS]

01:29:49   that I'm seeing that's different but it [TS]

01:29:50   looks wrong and bad and like someone [TS]

01:29:53   messed up my picture but you know [TS]

01:29:56   blurring parts of it more one of the [TS]

01:29:58   questions that people had about this was [TS]

01:29:59   maybe it's using the other camera taking [TS]

01:30:01   out of focus picture using that for the [TS]

01:30:03   background according to Henry knows [TS]

01:30:06   article or maybe it was a tweet or [TS]

01:30:08   something that's not the case is [TS]

01:30:11   computed blur what and that would that [TS]

01:30:13   would have been awesome because like it [TS]

01:30:14   really if you think about like and [TS]

01:30:16   somebody could theoretically make a [TS]

01:30:18   third-party app that tries to do that [TS]

01:30:19   although i think i don't have a cropping [TS]

01:30:21   will work out well the right demographic [TS]

01:30:23   information is not is not explosion API [TS]

01:30:25   the moment when what I don't know [TS]

01:30:26   whatever will be so you know that you [TS]

01:30:29   have to kind of do that yourself which [TS]

01:30:30   is not an easy task but you could [TS]

01:30:33   theoretically like you know have have [TS]

01:30:35   the the wide lens focus basically right [TS]

01:30:39   in front of itself so it has the maximum [TS]

01:30:41   background blur and then have the have [TS]

01:30:43   the the telephoto lens focused on the [TS]

01:30:45   subject and kind of combine the do the [TS]

01:30:47   optically blurred picture from the wide [TS]

01:30:49   lens with the telephoto lenses regular [TS]

01:30:52   picture somehow detecting where the [TS]

01:30:53   edges are you could theoretically do [TS]

01:30:55   that there would be the don't think they [TS]

01:30:57   would match with the distortion right [TS]

01:30:59   there like that they like all the lines [TS]

01:31:00   but you wouldn't be able to combine them [TS]

01:31:03   with each other unless you somehow [TS]

01:31:04   distorted the pictures from the cameras [TS]

01:31:06   like if it's the lenses are making [TS]

01:31:09   that's in straight lines like an offense [TS]

01:31:11   and curved you know that you can do it [TS]

01:31:12   you know it's math right but it's it's [TS]

01:31:14   difficult to get them anyway they're not [TS]

01:31:16   doing that they're doing the depth at [TS]

01:31:18   nine layers depth information they [TS]

01:31:20   blurred and like I don't know why it [TS]

01:31:21   looks bad to me but it would it looks to [TS]

01:31:23   me like it looks like they blurred stuff [TS]

01:31:28   in the picture and sometimes easy to [TS]

01:31:29   know why it looks badly we saw a couple [TS]

01:31:30   pictures uploaded by friends where their [TS]

01:31:33   head happened to be next to something [TS]

01:31:34   was a similar color to the hair and the [TS]

01:31:36   blur like crept into their head and it's [TS]

01:31:38   like let's just [TS]

01:31:39   like obviously not gonna be perfect you [TS]

01:31:41   can expect the perfect in all conditions [TS]

01:31:42   but even the ones who was like that [TS]

01:31:44   looks pretty good [TS]

01:31:45   something about it looks wrong to me and [TS]

01:31:47   i would say that if you took a picture [TS]

01:31:48   with an optical camera of the same thing [TS]

01:31:50   with the same focus settings [TS]

01:31:51   I i would also say it looks wrong I'm [TS]

01:31:53   not even saying it looks wrong because [TS]

01:31:54   it doesn't look like it would be maybe [TS]

01:31:55   i'm not even detecting things like oh [TS]

01:31:57   that was with the real lens it would [TS]

01:31:58   look different [TS]

01:31:59   maybe we'll look the same with the real [TS]

01:32:00   lens but that you would set it up that [TS]

01:32:02   way i don't know why knows I've had a [TS]

01:32:04   camera that can reliably do this for a [TS]

01:32:06   short period of time taking plenty of [TS]

01:32:07   pictures of blurred backgrounds and I [TS]

01:32:09   love all the better than everyone else [TS]

01:32:10   because I've seen that's not to say like [TS]

01:32:12   Marco said if you like it use it [TS]

01:32:14   whatever like and I've seen a few of [TS]

01:32:15   them Instagram and sometimes I think [TS]

01:32:16   this does help isolate a subject in a [TS]

01:32:19   way that I find more pleasing is very [TS]

01:32:20   often if you take a picture with one of [TS]

01:32:22   these things with like that everything [TS]

01:32:24   is in focus it makes your pictures look [TS]

01:32:26   bad because like the background that you [TS]

01:32:27   don't want people to see is just as [TS]

01:32:29   prominent thing you want them to see and [TS]

01:32:31   this helps with that but i'm not a fan [TS]

01:32:34   of the cell now this is the first the [TS]

01:32:36   first try [TS]

01:32:37   there's no reason they can't get better [TS]

01:32:38   and I don't think they should remove [TS]

01:32:41   this feature and people liked it more [TS]

01:32:42   power to him but i personally don't like [TS]

01:32:44   it well and it's it's never going to [TS]

01:32:48   look right to people who are who noticed [TS]

01:32:50   the flaws and and I mean that in AI [TS]

01:32:53   think you're right in noticing that [TS]

01:32:54   doesn't look right [TS]

01:32:55   there's lots of reasons why it doesn't [TS]

01:32:57   look right the biggest by far is the [TS]

01:33:00   edges of the in-focus subject where they [TS]

01:33:02   meet the background blur a real optical [TS]

01:33:04   version of this the end the the entire [TS]

01:33:07   subject a sharp right up to that edge [TS]

01:33:09   and and in this one it looks kind of [TS]

01:33:11   like yeah he'll make a reference for [TS]

01:33:13   John you had in the original Star Wars [TS]

01:33:15   where they had the vaseline under the [TS]

01:33:17   speeder i doing i do know that part in [TS]

01:33:20   the new photos look like somebody put [TS]

01:33:23   vaseline around the edge where the [TS]

01:33:25   subject meets the blurred area [TS]

01:33:26   it just it looks like a badly [TS]

01:33:28   necessarily blurred thing be and the [TS]

01:33:30   reason why is because the depth map [TS]

01:33:33   information they just not incredibly [TS]

01:33:35   granular it's not very precise they have [TS]

01:33:37   like I think they said something like [TS]

01:33:38   six slices of death they can I try to [TS]

01:33:41   identify and is nine but it's not just [TS]

01:33:43   the slices like I'm looking in prisoners [TS]

01:33:44   are always got a picture of a little [TS]

01:33:45   girl and she like wispy hairs coming out [TS]

01:33:47   it's not the depth map doesn't have [TS]

01:33:49   enough [TS]

01:33:49   players is just that it does the depth [TS]

01:33:51   doesn't detect those hairs like light [TS]

01:33:53   from a camera will do the correct [TS]

01:33:55   bouncing off of those things in the [TS]

01:33:56   hairs will be pin sharp there in the [TS]

01:33:57   fall to the plan that's focused but [TS]

01:33:59   because the blur doesn't know the hairs [TS]

01:34:01   are even there because the blur has to [TS]

01:34:03   say well the head is close to us and the [TS]

01:34:05   fence behind it is far away so keep the [TS]

01:34:08   head and focus and blur the fence but it [TS]

01:34:09   thinks the boundaries of the head and [TS]

01:34:11   way before those wispy hair so the wispy [TS]

01:34:13   hairs melt out into a big smear of [TS]

01:34:16   someone who would like to use the finger [TS]

01:34:17   smudge tool in photoshop one and like [TS]

01:34:19   just it's it's as clear as day that like [TS]

01:34:21   it shouldn't it shouldn't be like that [TS]

01:34:23   but I don't even know if that's what i [TS]

01:34:26   mean i can see that when people say oh [TS]

01:34:27   you know if I had to pick it out like [TS]

01:34:29   you know in in a multiple choice and [TS]

01:34:31   find them that's how i would find them [TS]

01:34:33   but I don't even think that's the thing [TS]

01:34:34   that looks wrong to me I think they [TS]

01:34:36   completely clear totally not you near [TS]

01:34:38   the in-focus subject like in the clear [TS]

01:34:41   can be safely blurred doesn't look [TS]

01:34:43   blurred to me in a way that seems right [TS]

01:34:47   like it just it just feels like like [TS]

01:34:50   they're standing in front of a blurry [TS]

01:34:52   picture of the place where they were and [TS]

01:34:54   so it's like it like a composite like it [TS]

01:34:56   took a picture without the person [TS]

01:34:57   they're applied a blur to it took a [TS]

01:34:59   picture of a person against the green [TS]

01:35:00   screen and a composite of them onto it [TS]

01:35:02   and where they printed out the [TS]

01:35:03   background picture and put it on a big [TS]

01:35:04   mural in there standing in front of it I [TS]

01:35:06   don't know this it's you know it's got [TS]

01:35:08   it's uncanny valley whatever it is it [TS]

01:35:11   bugs me when and part of the reason why [TS]

01:35:13   I mean you're right i mean first of all [TS]

01:35:14   that whatever custom blur optimization [TS]

01:35:18   or whatever blur algorithm they're using [TS]

01:35:20   it doesn't like the blurred areas of the [TS]

01:35:23   photo but all the education aside the [TS]

01:35:26   blur areas the photo do not look like [TS]

01:35:28   the actual optical blur from a camera [TS]

01:35:31   lens would look of that if you did it's [TS]

01:35:33   a picture side by side so that that's [TS]

01:35:34   obviously a big part of what you're [TS]

01:35:35   seeing Johnny and that's that is a very [TS]

01:35:37   real problem that i'm not sure they [TS]

01:35:38   really easily can solve or at least if [TS]

01:35:41   they did it might be not able to be done [TS]

01:35:43   in real time on current Hardware [TS]

01:35:44   whatever it is they that is not being [TS]

01:35:46   solved well but also I think we're kind [TS]

01:35:49   of being sold this bill of goods like oh [TS]

01:35:51   you're going to have this awesome [TS]

01:35:52   background blur you know with this nice [TS]

01:35:54   portrait and everything [TS]

01:35:56   well this is only a 56 millimeter [TS]

01:35:58   perspective you can get I mean sure you [TS]

01:36:00   can you can on a full-frame camera you [TS]

01:36:02   can get [TS]

01:36:03   decent background blur with like f 1.4 [TS]

01:36:05   55 ish millimeter lens but if you [TS]

01:36:09   actually want to get like strong [TS]

01:36:11   background blur for a portrait you [TS]

01:36:13   actually a longer lens to really do it [TS]

01:36:15   well like you need like an 85 or my [TS]

01:36:18   favorite 135 it is incredibly [TS]

01:36:20   impractical but the pictures you get [TS]

01:36:22   from it when when you can actually like [TS]

01:36:24   stand on the right distance your subject [TS]

01:36:26   to get them in the frame because a 1 35 [TS]

01:36:28   millimeter prime is incredibly hard to [TS]

01:36:30   use for with moving subjects but the [TS]

01:36:33   ones you get at work from it will be [TS]

01:36:35   your favorite pictures you've ever taken [TS]

01:36:36   any way you need me actually a longer [TS]

01:36:40   lens to get the amount of blur that [TS]

01:36:42   makes portraits look good most of the [TS]

01:36:45   time you know I thought that there was a [TS]

01:36:47   really good take on this and it was my [TS]

01:36:49   curly who had said it and I believe it [TS]

01:36:51   was on the this the last episode of [TS]

01:36:53   upgrades so link that in the show notes [TS]

01:36:54   and his point was if if I can paraphrase [TS]

01:36:58   i'm not going to get a DSLR anything [TS]

01:37:01   like it and I'm certainly not gonna [TS]

01:37:02   carry one with me and for me this really [TS]

01:37:05   might this is giving me L way to make [TS]

01:37:09   these pictures that look so beautiful to [TS]

01:37:12   my eye but i don't have to carry a big [TS]

01:37:15   heavy expensive camera i can use the [TS]

01:37:17   thing that's in my pocket always and yes [TS]

01:37:19   it may not be perfect but it's a [TS]

01:37:21   crapload better than what I'm used to [TS]

01:37:23   and for that i love it and you know what [TS]

01:37:25   i think of our my shoes I would say the [TS]

01:37:27   exact same thing [TS]

01:37:28   this is not enough for me to want to [TS]

01:37:30   give up my micro four thirds camera and [TS]

01:37:32   and the couple of ones i have for that [TS]

01:37:34   but I think for anyone who just wants to [TS]

01:37:40   take a pretty shot with the camera [TS]

01:37:42   that's in their pocket whether or not [TS]

01:37:44   they like you said Marko whether or not [TS]

01:37:45   they have a DSLR or something you big I [TS]

01:37:48   think it's a really great feature and [TS]

01:37:50   and yeah there's a lot that we can [TS]

01:37:52   nitpick about it haven't picked about it [TS]

01:37:53   but I still think this is a really great [TS]

01:37:56   next step toward taking the iphone [TS]

01:38:01   cameras to the next level and I really [TS]

01:38:03   applaud apple for it and for beta it [TS]

01:38:05   seems like it's working really darn well [TS]

01:38:07   so far [TS]

01:38:08   yeah and and again like the I think the [TS]

01:38:10   democratization argument here really [TS]

01:38:12   can't be overstated like here I mean yes [TS]

01:38:15   this is a very [TS]

01:38:16   answer phone for you know bought by [TS]

01:38:17   privileged people whatever however we [TS]

01:38:21   are now being apples putting in the [TS]

01:38:23   hands of all the people who buy this [TS]

01:38:25   phone a photographic capability that [TS]

01:38:28   while it is not as good as an SLR and [TS]

01:38:30   will never be as good as an SLR it kind [TS]

01:38:32   of gets in the ballpark and especially [TS]

01:38:34   for you know most photos these days are [TS]

01:38:37   being seen by people who are scrolling [TS]

01:38:39   through social media feeds and you might [TS]

01:38:41   be you might stop on that photo for two [TS]

01:38:42   seconds [TS]

01:38:43   like at most you know you so all the [TS]

01:38:45   fine details that bother people like me [TS]

01:38:47   and John and people who know how the [TS]

01:38:49   house photos are supposed to look it [TS]

01:38:51   most people who are seeing these photos [TS]

01:38:54   aren't noticing those details and they [TS]

01:38:57   are just enjoying the photo so this is [TS]

01:38:58   giving like millions literally millions [TS]

01:39:01   of people the ability to post [TS]

01:39:05   better-looking photos to their friends [TS]

01:39:07   and family on facebook and stuff and it [TS]

01:39:10   and people who would never have had [TS]

01:39:11   otherwise bought and carried around an [TS]

01:39:14   SLR with a really fast prime lens so [TS]

01:39:17   that that is a pretty cool effect of [TS]

01:39:19   this even though the pictures annoy [TS]

01:39:21   people like me and John that is an [TS]

01:39:23   overall I i think overall this is [TS]

01:39:24   benefiting the world for this to exist [TS]

01:39:27   yeah i agree and what I mean Apple will [TS]

01:39:30   find out because they have the usage did [TS]

01:39:31   if this is a feature that people are [TS]

01:39:32   using obviously they liked it adds value [TS]

01:39:34   to the phone right i personally think [TS]

01:39:36   that the the dual cameras the ability to [TS]

01:39:38   non you know to not optical zoom when [TS]

01:39:41   there's enough light for it to use the [TS]

01:39:42   optical zoom in on digital zoom is [TS]

01:39:45   enough light to get a camera i think [TS]

01:39:47   that will have a larger effect on [TS]

01:39:49   people's satisfaction with the camera [TS]

01:39:51   than this but Apple know because this is [TS]

01:39:53   an opt-in thing it doesn't do it to [TS]

01:39:54   automatically you have to use it so if [TS]

01:39:57   they see huge numbers of people moving [TS]

01:39:59   it and using it is obviously successful [TS]

01:40:00   whether I like it or not but we'll see [TS]

01:40:03   I've you know there's other things we [TS]

01:40:05   have to like watch the non tech people [TS]

01:40:08   who we know just see casually see like [TS]

01:40:11   that using that feature do they even [TS]

01:40:13   know it exists a lot of it could be like [TS]

01:40:14   they're not using it because it's not [TS]

01:40:15   obvious in the UI or something that so [TS]

01:40:18   many people who think they have to swipe [TS]

01:40:20   the little line of words in the camera [TS]

01:40:22   UI show them that you can just swipe [TS]

01:40:23   anywhere and it changes it changes their [TS]

01:40:25   life that's just an obvious another [TS]

01:40:27   mystery meat interface from the people [TS]

01:40:29   who brought you [TS]

01:40:30   ios7 anyway that that that's what will [TS]

01:40:34   bear it out and I you know I think [TS]

01:40:36   potentially could be a big factor in [TS]

01:40:41   making people more happy with their [TS]

01:40:42   cameras now they can do things they [TS]

01:40:43   couldn't do before but I'm not sure [TS]

01:40:45   people will keep using it because mostly [TS]

01:40:47   because you can't just leave it on all [TS]

01:40:48   the time because it will ruin a [TS]

01:40:50   perfectly good pictures if you leave it [TS]

01:40:51   on all the time it can only be used in [TS]

01:40:54   certain environments where you know [TS]

01:40:55   you're actually going according to leave [TS]

01:40:57   it at all times just gonna mess up [TS]

01:40:58   everything so we'll say thanks a lot 23 [TS]

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01:42:11   the Museum of Christine apple hardware [TS]

01:42:13   is not bad maybe the Museum of pristine [TS]

01:42:16   apple hardware uh I guess my favorite of [TS]

01:42:19   once you pick like how do you do not [TS]

01:42:22   have that unlike at front of mine a list [TS]

01:42:25   of weird things that I do that I collect [TS]

01:42:28   always a bard where and try to keep it [TS]

01:42:29   inside because weird thing Jon Lester on [TS]

01:42:32   my shelf that like don't have the [TS]

01:42:33   bindings broken that are all in [TS]

01:42:34   beautiful condition that are displayed [TS]

01:42:35   out like that like that's the same thing [TS]

01:42:37   i mean just the list is so long I've [TS]

01:42:39   lost to pick up some other some of the [TS]

01:42:41   smaller objects on i.m people were [TS]

01:42:43   tweeting that stuff about me I was [TS]

01:42:44   tweeting back with the mall i unlike you [TS]

01:42:46   tell me like you if you listen to the [TS]

01:42:47   show like you shouldn't this is not a [TS]

01:42:49   secret that i do this like that that's [TS]

01:42:51   why the left unsaid like why do I care [TS]

01:42:53   that it's christine if it's in the case [TS]

01:42:55   because it's not going to be in that [TS]

01:42:56   case but it's gonna come out it's going [TS]

01:42:58   to join them join the collection like [TS]

01:43:01   the people that I gotta run before you [TS]

01:43:02   go how much money here you have your [TS]

01:43:03   iphone 6 like what do you mean from and [TS]

01:43:05   that's not leaving the house it's going [TS]

01:43:07   and this one is also pristine in the [TS]

01:43:09   back to this case is following the [TS]

01:43:11   garbage because the other thing is [TS]

01:43:12   totally destroyed now the phone inside [TS]

01:43:14   they're beautiful and actually i will [TS]

01:43:17   say I part of the reason I commit myself [TS]

01:43:20   to get jet black is that I thought like [TS]

01:43:22   you know what is the like the the [TS]

01:43:26   canonical color of this generation and I [TS]

01:43:29   thought like when I look back in my [TS]

01:43:31   closet at my at my my row of old iphones [TS]

01:43:35   and I keep their it's like all wind up [TS]

01:43:38   like well as if they're on a bookshelf [TS]

01:43:40   I thought like what do I want to see [TS]

01:43:41   there once this phone goes there you [TS]

01:43:44   next year whenever like whenever I [TS]

01:43:45   retire this phone is probably next fall [TS]

01:43:47   what what color would look best to [TS]

01:43:50   represent this generation of phone in my [TS]

01:43:52   in my little tiny Museum of well-worn [TS]

01:43:56   apple hardware and I thought jet-black [TS]

01:43:58   is is the only choice like that that is [TS]

01:44:00   the that is the phone that will define [TS]

01:44:02   this generation of phones in my future [TS]

01:44:05   phone archive make sense yeah I feel [TS]

01:44:09   like it's something like that you know [TS]

01:44:10   apples advertising like this is the [TS]

01:44:12   thing this is the even though that I [TS]

01:44:14   ever [TS]

01:44:15   I'd really doubt this will be the most [TS]

01:44:16   popular model because of all the [TS]

01:44:18   scratches [TS]

01:44:18   and behold on like you know other colors [TS]

01:44:21   that are more exciting and stupid black [TS]

01:44:22   one again is the one they're pushing is [TS]

01:44:25   like this is it this is the iphone [TS]

01:44:26   iphone 7 equals jet black [TS]

01:44:29   I mean I'm i'm guessing you know I mean [TS]

01:44:31   keep because there are two new black [TS]

01:44:32   colors then it's you know it's probably [TS]

01:44:35   gonna be split between them but people [TS]

01:44:37   really like the color that's new that [TS]

01:44:39   year now only out only Apple knows [TS]

01:44:41   there's a breakdown of these numbers but [TS]

01:44:43   also like I in my experience I think [TS]

01:44:46   most people find black boring like I'm [TS]

01:44:48   amazed that i don't see more black [TS]

01:44:50   phones and all generations of iphone and [TS]

01:44:52   iOS devices [TS]

01:44:53   we're all buying the black ones for [TS]

01:44:55   whatever weird tech dude reason compels [TS]

01:44:58   us to buy the black ones regular people [TS]

01:45:00   are not so excited about black well and [TS]

01:45:02   honestly if they only released the other [TS]

01:45:05   black I wouldn't be spending about it [TS]

01:45:07   either [TS]

01:45:07   like if they only released the map [TS]

01:45:08   because i'm kind of tired of just like [TS]

01:45:10   black key card we're not that tired so [TS]

01:45:14   the guy with the closet full black [TS]

01:45:15   shirts [TS]

01:45:16   actually i just ordered more black [TS]

01:45:18   shirts today and I said let's say you're [TS]

01:45:20   tired of it you're not expressing it [TS]

01:45:21   outwardly your clothing and clothing is [TS]

01:45:24   different but just like like I i think i [TS]

01:45:27   think the new matte black one and i said [TS]

01:45:30   i think it looks a little bit dated [TS]

01:45:31   honestly and it looks like a little bit [TS]

01:45:33   too much like a new geek black gadgets [TS]

01:45:35   like every other get black gadget but [TS]

01:45:37   the jet black looks so different because [TS]

01:45:39   you know that new finish that like [TS]

01:45:40   nothing else has in in the gadget world [TS]

01:45:43   and and I that I think really elevates [TS]

01:45:46   it ever every shiny piece of black [TS]

01:45:48   plastic ever made including the iphone [TS]

01:45:50   3gs yeah but it doesn't it doesn't look [TS]

01:45:52   like plastic though it looks it looks [TS]

01:45:54   more like plastic than metal looks like [TS]

01:45:57   scratch plastic well maybe a little [TS]

01:46:00   I don't know ok you get there and say [TS]

01:46:03   this but i do have a lot of scratches [TS]

01:46:04   what's interesting about it is the [TS]

01:46:06   almost all the scratches on mine are in [TS]

01:46:08   the lower third of the case I wonder why [TS]

01:46:11   that is gonna learn where year where you [TS]

01:46:15   rub your phone against things going [TS]

01:46:17   you're like Marlon where his phone pokes [TS]

01:46:18   through [TS]

01:46:19   pants pocket makes the little holes that [TS]

01:46:21   the most friction intensive area maybe I [TS]

01:46:26   mean it that mean the pants I'm wearing [TS]

01:46:27   they still have the the where line in [TS]

01:46:31   the pocket of the 5s shape just give you [TS]

01:46:34   some idea had that the age of these [TS]

01:46:36   pants like yeah I can't date my pants by [TS]

01:46:38   the pilot which phone shape it has worn [TS]

01:46:41   into the pocket and i never i still [TS]

01:46:43   don't fit [TS]

01:46:44   I mean obviously my first almost six and [TS]

01:46:45   it's big and I'm not that I'm afraid of [TS]

01:46:47   ending a lot of kind of amp but I feel a [TS]

01:46:50   little bit of pressure in my pocket when [TS]

01:46:51   i put in any of my pockets and so it [TS]

01:46:53   just doesn't go in my pants pockets only [TS]

01:46:55   goes my jacket pockets ever [TS]

01:46:56   I mean I put it in my back pocket when [TS]

01:46:58   I'm walking around the house knowing [TS]

01:46:59   that I'm not going to sit down but it's [TS]

01:47:01   like that's in short-term memory that's [TS]

01:47:03   in like a little and m1 in the [TS]

01:47:05   calculator you have a phone in your back [TS]

01:47:07   pocket don't sit down like that is [TS]

01:47:09   top-of-the-line soon as the phone goes [TS]

01:47:10   in my back pocket and it comes right out [TS]

01:47:12   of my back pocket I never sit down with [TS]

01:47:13   it in any my pockets they just feel [TS]

01:47:16   uncomfortable even if it wasn't gonna [TS]

01:47:17   Bend I wouldn't mind you that busy would [TS]

01:47:18   feel uncomfortable to me to do that so [TS]

01:47:21   what what else is in the short-term [TS]

01:47:23   memory because this is what i get like I [TS]

01:47:26   don't it's high enough in there that [TS]

01:47:28   I've never actually done it I've never [TS]

01:47:29   accidentally sat down with my phone my [TS]

01:47:31   pants pocket so like as soon as i put in [TS]

01:47:32   there like whatever you know whatever [TS]

01:47:35   the highest priority like that that the [TS]

01:47:37   the registers in my mind like this [TS]

01:47:38   that's not an l1 caches in a register [TS]

01:47:41   like you have a phone in your pocket [TS]

01:47:42   don't sit down but you're such a nerd [TS]

01:47:46   wow what do you when you bring your [TS]

01:47:48   phone out in the summer what do you do [TS]

01:47:49   when you're not wearing a jacket [TS]

01:47:51   where do you put it from going somewhere [TS]

01:47:53   in that i'm trying to think about it so [TS]

01:47:54   i will put it in my shorts pockets are [TS]

01:47:58   shorts in the summer because the shorts [TS]

01:47:59   are in jeans and jean shorts right there [TS]

01:48:00   just laid there loser right and so that [TS]

01:48:03   and they have big big have bigger [TS]

01:48:05   pockets and i will do that so we'll go [TS]

01:48:07   to the store or whatever within my and I [TS]

01:48:09   will sit down with it because they're [TS]

01:48:10   only front pockets on my shorts was [TS]

01:48:12   around with my shorts pocket just not in [TS]

01:48:13   jeans so I guess it hasn't come up if it [TS]

01:48:16   did come up i probably what I would do [TS]

01:48:18   is put on my back pocket and just be [TS]

01:48:19   walking around and I sat down take it [TS]

01:48:21   out of my backpack and just hold I don't [TS]

01:48:23   know how they come up [TS]

01:48:24   I don't my clothes are very utilitarian [TS]

01:48:26   I don't wear anything [TS]

01:48:28   nice enough that i had to worry about [TS]

01:48:30   this is just scrub shorts in the summer [TS]

01:48:33   time and all the rest of time jeans and [TS]

01:48:35   then I have some kind of jacket because [TS]

01:48:36   i'm always freezing and the air [TS]

01:48:38   conditioning [TS]

01:48:39   well I photo goes to my right front [TS]

01:48:41   pocket even with the six sighs you're [TS]

01:48:43   able to pull that off you must have [TS]

01:48:44   loser jeans and I do [TS]

01:48:46   probably i I've been doing it just fine [TS]

01:48:48   but i did i do the front left pocket [TS]

01:48:50   which is the standard pocket for people [TS]

01:48:51   who are over about the age of 30 right [TS]

01:48:53   by your phone's been no no no no and I [TS]

01:48:55   never had that with anyone with mi6 [TS]

01:48:57   series someone to work i did i notice [TS]

01:48:59   notice their iphone and I'm like you [TS]

01:49:01   know your phones but I feel bad telling [TS]

01:49:02   people this like first is more like you [TS]

01:49:05   tell you this but is your phone bentwood [TS]

01:49:07   like I thought like maybe I could [TS]

01:49:09   already seen but maybe was people been [TS]

01:49:11   denied that i think it was a six like [TS]

01:49:13   not been a lot not a big deal but enough [TS]

01:49:16   that I can spot it mind i'm pretty sure [TS]

01:49:18   it's not meant i've dropped i was [TS]

01:49:20   thinking also about the case thing I've [TS]

01:49:22   dropped this song plenty of times like [TS]

01:49:23   onto the carpet or onto like a you know [TS]

01:49:26   wooden floor whatever from reasonable [TS]

01:49:28   height from like nightstand height or [TS]

01:49:30   whatever that's why the corners in my [TS]

01:49:33   case connect up and I'm like does that [TS]

01:49:34   affect my caseless decision would have [TS]

01:49:37   broken my screen on any of those Falls [TS]

01:49:38   it didn't have the leather case would [TS]

01:49:40   have been to the side of it like [TS]

01:49:41   christina warren well she did with it [TS]

01:49:43   huge dent in it because i don't know i'm [TS]

01:49:46   so paranoid with like so I someone was [TS]

01:49:48   asking about like oh the self polishing [TS]

01:49:50   thing I tweeted a picture of my little I [TS]

01:49:52   think you guys seen my little it's not [TS]

01:49:54   microfiber but it's like a velvety kind [TS]

01:49:56   of synthetic cloth [TS]

01:49:58   yeah edge so I've got a leather case and [TS]

01:50:01   then I always put it in that pouch [TS]

01:50:02   around traveling and even though it's in [TS]

01:50:04   a leather case and in the pouch it still [TS]

01:50:07   never goes in the same pocket as my keys [TS]

01:50:09   oh no that mean that's that should be [TS]

01:50:11   illegal but the same pocket as keys I [TS]

01:50:13   mean that's no this this is the whole [TS]

01:50:14   reason why the by the correct pocket if [TS]

01:50:18   you're over about the age of 30 is the [TS]

01:50:19   left front pocket because we got because [TS]

01:50:22   it what happened to a lot of people [TS]

01:50:24   myself included is you first we first [TS]

01:50:26   developed our habits before phones were [TS]

01:50:28   thing you know what we're really in high [TS]

01:50:30   school and college like we we develop [TS]

01:50:32   the habits of having your keys and [TS]

01:50:34   wallet and his most people are [TS]

01:50:36   right-handed the most sensible place to [TS]

01:50:37   put those your front right pocket and [TS]

01:50:40   then when phones came out [TS]

01:50:41   the only sensible place them to go was [TS]

01:50:43   still in the front pocket for easy reach [TS]

01:50:45   if your front pocket person at all but [TS]

01:50:47   your front right pocket was already [TS]

01:50:48   taken with your wallet and keys you [TS]

01:50:49   don't want to scratch up your phone so [TS]

01:50:51   you put your phone in your front left [TS]

01:50:52   pocket [TS]

01:50:53   whoa whoa whoa no you do not put your [TS]

01:50:56   wallet in your front pocket that is [TS]

01:50:57   barbaric [TS]

01:50:58   if you're always too big to fit in your [TS]

01:50:59   front pocket your wallet is too big in [TS]

01:51:01   our country boy and I'm putting your [TS]

01:51:02   beauty you put if you put your wallet in [TS]

01:51:05   your back pocket that's easier to steal [TS]

01:51:06   yeah that's why on the rare occasions [TS]

01:51:09   i'm in a place where i fear for these [TS]

01:51:11   things Apollo Robbins could be around [TS]

01:51:13   every corner and he had to just listen [TS]

01:51:15   to that a that reconcile differences [TS]

01:51:17   anyway you are right Marco for those who [TS]

01:51:20   use keys but we are in this new amazing [TS]

01:51:23   world it was temporary automobiles and [TS]

01:51:26   so around when i got my BMW i flopped [TS]

01:51:29   and the phone went from left pocket the [TS]

01:51:32   right pocket keys went from right pocket [TS]

01:51:34   the left pocket and that is far and away [TS]

01:51:37   the better way to do it if you have a [TS]

01:51:39   car that has keyless entry and keyless [TS]

01:51:41   start and I kicked my keys out of the [TS]

01:51:43   right side to one side once the iOS [TS]

01:51:45   devices started coming and mostly [TS]

01:51:46   because I didn't trust my email [TS]

01:51:49   coordinate left-hand successfully [TS]

01:51:51   extract my phone without dropping a hard [TS]

01:51:53   surface so totally the keys but I don't [TS]

01:51:55   know drop the keys whatever he's went to [TS]

01:51:57   the left and as I'm talking about jacket [TS]

01:51:58   pocket so those parties I don't put [TS]

01:52:00   either one of my pants pockets he went [TS]

01:52:01   to the left phone on the right wall on [TS]

01:52:02   the right [TS]

01:52:03   yeah I guess I just developed a very you [TS]

01:52:06   know agile left hand because that's just [TS]

01:52:08   where like you know first when I was [TS]

01:52:10   really young it was like a palm pilot [TS]

01:52:12   and then eventually it became a phone [TS]

01:52:14   that was what was in the left pocket and [TS]

01:52:16   so I've always been a like if I'm using [TS]

01:52:18   my phone one-handed it's my left hand [TS]

01:52:20   even though I'm right-handed this like [TS]

01:52:22   people who don't do this drives like [TS]

01:52:23   this blows their mind that anybody would [TS]

01:52:25   do this with their non-dominant hand if [TS]

01:52:27   you're not dropping it must work I don't [TS]

01:52:28   drop it that's just a habit i've [TS]

01:52:29   developed and I here like we will [TS]

01:52:31   definitely hear from other people who [TS]

01:52:33   grew up the same way of like everything [TS]

01:52:35   was in the right pocket and my phone's [TS]

01:52:37   camera and they just kind of went in the [TS]

01:52:38   left pocket because that was available [TS]

01:52:39   and yeah we're going to hear from the [TS]

01:52:42   people there there there are dozens of [TS]

01:52:44   us doesn't what is that about lefties [TS]

01:52:47   about those people just flip everything [TS]