The Accidental Tech Podcast

189: The Museum of Pristine Apple Hardware

 

  let's take a pause here so i can adjust [TS]

  my level Samarkand messing with my dolls [TS]

  is killing me alright this is not [TS]

  sounding better and that tends to work [TS]

  on some girls is a volume dial and a [TS]

  mixed aisle and like every time I think [TS]

  I have you at the right volume than I [TS]

  talking to I can't hear myself from [TS]

  blasting my eardrums see this is so so [TS]

  the rule of audio stuff is once you get [TS]

  it working don't touch it never touch it [TS]

  yeah I don't touch the dials but [TS]

  somebody or some something touched my [TS]

  dials and now I and the worst thing [TS]

  about these thousands their tiny little [TS]

  dials don't have markings on them so [TS]

  even if i did like take a picture of [TS]

  them like there's no there's not [TS]

  yeah it wasn't with my suggestion was [TS]

  gonna be like I actually earlier tonight [TS]

  I yesterday I had to change one of the [TS]

  settings on my audio interface so today [TS]

  i was looking for for the show tonight I [TS]

  went and looked at my picture that i [TS]

  keep of it set up correctly and I [TS]

  adjusted the knob that change earlier to [TS]

  match the photo of my correct setup it's [TS]

  something i highly recommend if you have [TS]

  the ability to have an audio interface [TS]

  where like it has knobs with lines on [TS]

  them to show you where they are [TS]

  so you can actually like kind of [TS]

  basically save and restore state at the [TS]

  most manual way possible [TS]

  you remember this microphone looks like [TS]

  the ones like it has these tiny little [TS]

  like almost like a little horizontal [TS]

  they're inside the device and only the [TS]

  little curved part of them is peeking [TS]

  out and there's no markings on them [TS]

  it's no good the only thing I take [TS]

  pictures of it that way is how cables [TS]

  are connected in the back of my AV setup [TS]

  and how things are arranged on shelves [TS]

  ok the cables makes sense the shelves [TS]

  like first of all how often do things [TS]

  get moved on your shelves that this [TS]

  would even be a problem in second of all [TS]

  who cares surprisingly often i made like [TS]

  what I resent it was flipped one of my [TS]

  shelves big wooden shelves are like [TS]

  Boeing and I want to flip it over right [TS]

  and so I have to take a shot of the [TS]

  shelf so I know everything goes then [TS]

  take everything off seven fit over and [TS]

  then put everything back on i went to [TS]

  the apple store twice actually wants to [TS]

  buy some dongles just to have them even [TS]

  though I haven't really needed them yet [TS]

  for ten dollars a pop one out by fuso [TS]

  about 3 to sprinkle around the house / [TS]

  cars and i briefly looked at the matte [TS]

  black and remember this was before after [TS]

  the show once before the last show and [TS]

  it was pretty but i prefer the [TS]

  aesthetics of [TS]

  I'm sorry the jet black it was pretty [TS]

  but i prefer the aesthetics of the matte [TS]

  black so the jet-black definitely [TS]

  good-looking phone prefer the mat but [TS]

  then i think was during the show that [TS]

  you guys didn't or at least you Marco [TS]

  and I were talking about it and you and [TS]

  you ask me or somebody asked me if if it [TS]

  felt any tackier attack here in the [TS]

  sense of like stickier if you will and [TS]

  it occurred to me i didn't really pay [TS]

  much attention to that which is kind of [TS]

  crazy I don't know why I didn't think [TS]

  about it but I went back to the apple [TS]

  store and spent about 45 seconds there [TS]

  and I grabbed the one jet black demo [TS]

  units that they have and i'll tell you [TS]

  what based on feel there is no question [TS]

  that is the one to get without a shadow [TS]

  of a doubt it feels so much better [TS]

  tackiness wise stickiness wise if you [TS]

  will then the matte black [TS]

  I still think the matte black looks [TS]

  better but o night and day the jet-black [TS]

  feel so much better and you're [TS]

  absolutely right so hashtag marco was [TS]

  right all right i finally got one [TS]

  I'm wrong about so many other things [TS]

  yeah well you can't win em all sort of [TS]

  kind of speaking of last we spoke you [TS]

  seemed like you were starting to warm to [TS]

  the home button [TS]

  have you completely warm to it are you [TS]

  back to give me the cold shoulder where [TS]

  you standing with the home button it's [TS]

  fine you know it's what I want to go [TS]

  back and use an old phone now it feels [TS]

  old [TS]

  thanks a lot Apple you ruin buttons here [TS]

  haha but uh so I I suppose that means I [TS]

  like it [TS]

  it is a little bit annoying that has [TS]

  become that it it took something that [TS]

  was reliable and and made it just a [TS]

  little bit less than reliable and and [TS]

  that's kinda mean this is you know the [TS]

  the the motto of so many other things or [TS]

  like this is like the the modus operandi [TS]

  of like so much of the progress we've [TS]

  made in these areas recently where like [TS]

  yeah you don't you made the old thing [TS]

  better than a lot of ways but but you [TS]

  know worsen in some other you know [TS]

  smaller maybe or less important to those [TS]

  people way but anyway [TS]

  overall I like it but i but I i do find [TS]

  it unfortunate that it has become a [TS]

  little bit less reliable than a regular [TS]

  button do you find yourself means that [TS]

  often because I definitely have had a [TS]

  full of time maybe more than a couple [TS]

  but every once in awhile i will find [TS]

  that I think I've hit the button and the [TS]

  phone does not agree but it's pretty [TS]

  darn rare it but from the way you're [TS]

  talking it sounds like it's somewhat [TS]

  common for you know I mean I just hit [TS]

  the button a lot you to me like this is [TS]

  one of the problems I have with the [TS]

  force touch trackpad on on the max and [TS]

  is that the 46 trackpad took something [TS]

  you know it if you were one of the [TS]

  people who clicked in the bottom area of [TS]

  the trackpad and I recognize the force [TS]

  structure is better because you have you [TS]

  can click anywhere on the surface but if [TS]

  you if you were one of the people who [TS]

  came along the old track where the [TS]

  button is used to be below it so you hit [TS]

  the button with your thumb and you movie [TS]

  point with your index finger or [TS]

  something or usually middle finger i [TS]

  guess and then when they removed the [TS]

  buttons they made the whole thing hinges [TS]

  that way so that you could basically [TS]

  leave your hand the same way it always [TS]

  was [TS]

  you could leave your thumb pushing down [TS]

  on the bottom area where the button is [TS]

  used to be and have that click and then [TS]

  still move with your index and middle [TS]

  finger so so if you're one of the people [TS]

  who came along the old button felt great [TS]

  because you were already clicking always [TS]

  in the bottom area anyway so if you're [TS]

  one of those people which of course I am [TS]

  because we are all ancient complicated [TS]

  people who like you snapchat and stuff [TS]

  so if you're one of those people [TS]

  the old one was incredibly reliable the [TS]

  the idea that you would ever assuming [TS]

  you don't use text click the idea that [TS]

  you would ever like accidentally click [TS]

  on something on the trackpad or or think [TS]

  you're clicking but not have actually [TS]

  clicked that literally would never [TS]

  happen with the old ones and with force [TS]

  touch trackpads that sometimes happens [TS]

  similarly with the new home but on the [TS]

  phones like it's really hard to [TS]

  accidentally hit the home button on the [TS]

  old phones like if you mean to hit you [TS]

  hit and with this one like you can [TS]

  occasionally accidentally push it where [TS]

  you meant to maybe just touch it or you [TS]

  meant to you know grip it a certain way [TS]

  or you can accidentally triple-click [TS]

  when you want to double click or single [TS]

  clicker or vice versa you can [TS]

  accidentally trigger serie if you didn't [TS]

  mean to you can actually this is a [TS]

  frequent accident trigger reach ability [TS]

  by you know but if you think you're [TS]

  pushing it or think you're holding it I [TS]

  think your double pressing it but you [TS]

  have to get double contacted it's [TS]

  whatever their disability things up so [TS]

  basically they took something that that [TS]

  again was a mechanically general [TS]

  reliable thing and and made it do the [TS]

  wrong thing maybe one percent of the [TS]

  time for me it's very frustrating when [TS]

  an input device doesn't respond a [TS]

  hundred percent of the time correctly [TS]

  because we use input devices so much on [TS]

  these computers & and we use them to [TS]

  command them to do things that if like [TS]

  if you hit if you hit the keyboard if [TS]

  you hit the same key over and over again [TS]

  and every like one of 40 times like the [TS]

  H throws out a day instead like your [TS]

  label this this is the worst keyboard [TS]

  ever like why would you tolerate that [TS]

  right i feel like i have a very very [TS]

  high standard for how I expect my input [TS]

  devices to be how reliable expect them [TS]

  to be and it does annoy me when we we [TS]

  make progress but at the cost of that [TS]

  reliability that we used to have and [TS]

  anything less than a hundred percent [TS]

  reliability for me is annoying and it [TS]

  doesn't that's not to say that i won't [TS]

  just deal with it it like when the new [TS]

  laptops come out forever from now on [TS]

  whenever then whenever the new laptops [TS]

  come out i'm probably gonna buy one even [TS]

  though it's almost certainly going to [TS]

  have the same force touch trackpad we've [TS]

  had and I'm just gonna have to suck it [TS]

  up and deal with it and it'll be fine [TS]

  just in you know just like I'm probably [TS]

  never going to mention the home button [TS]

  being unreliable a little bit on the [TS]

  iphone 7 probably never gonna mention it [TS]

  again because I'm just gonna get used to [TS]

  it and i'll just be a little bit annoyed [TS]

  whatever it doesn't work then just move [TS]

  on with my day [TS]

  right but we are losing something here [TS]

  by making things that were a hundred [TS]

  percent reliable ninety-nine percent [TS]

  reliable and that that's all [TS]

  but but overall i'm i'm ok with it look [TS]

  like the idea that you're never gonna [TS]

  mention it again [TS]

  yeah that's that's me I maybe I should [TS]

  guarantee that seems very unlikely but [TS]

  you know just just just again just to [TS]

  restate like the the summary here [TS]

  overall I like the new button i do like [TS]

  the taptic engine a lot overall and am I [TS]

  want to go back the old one does feel [TS]

  old [TS]

  so you know they got me right and i I'm [TS]

  I'm sold [TS]

  however it is a little annoying that [TS]

  can't be that can't be a hundred percent [TS]

  reliable so I don't know about this home [TS]

  buttons i still haven't tried it but as [TS]

  for the trackbed I continue to say that [TS]

  you will eventually look back on the [TS]

  mechanical ones and think they're [TS]

  barbaric and I would [TS]

  add that for most people maybe not you [TS]

  but for most people i've seen and myself [TS]

  included using the mechanical one [TS]

  whether it was the button or the one [TS]

  where didn't have a button but the whole [TS]

  thing slanted not a hundred percent [TS]

  reliable very frequently attempt to [TS]

  click and not actually click if you're [TS]

  if you're not using tap to click happens [TS]

  to me every once in a while I seem to [TS]

  happen to people all the time so it's [TS]

  not as there's more to the reliability [TS]

  than just like if you successfully [TS]

  actuate the mechanism you will you will [TS]

  do a click and because that's true of [TS]

  anything you sexually at successfully [TS]

  activate the mechanism on the non-moving [TS]

  button you'll successfully get a home [TS]

  button press or whatever it's just a [TS]

  question of two people sometimes go [TS]

  forward and fail to do it and the answer [TS]

  for those real buttons yes I mean maybe [TS]

  the percentage was different for you but [TS]

  it's it's not as if anything is a [TS]

  hundred percent reliable when it comes [TS]

  to translating intention and hand action [TS]

  into like the desired result [TS]

  yeah i gotta say i almost never run into [TS]

  problems like i said earlier a couple of [TS]

  times a new home button have because [TS]

  I've hit in such a way that maybe I've [TS]

  hit solely the the quote-unquote button [TS]

  itself and i haven't had any contact [TS]

  with the ring around it but very rarely [TS]

  drive any problems with the home button [TS]

  and i cannot remember a time where I've [TS]

  had an unintentional fire or a lack of [TS]

  fire on the force touch trackpad so you [TS]

  must be a a trackpad wizard in a bad way [TS]

  because you are the only one that can [TS]

  find these issues not the only one but [TS]

  the only one I've heard of that is found [TS]

  these issues so congrats i guess not [TS]

  really sure where to go from here right [TS]

  you still don't have a force to attract [TS]

  better than the one you use for podcast [TS]

  editing right the magic trackpad that's [TS]

  right so i think that's also influenced [TS]

  me because we have one of those might [TS]

  attract rights to know i hit track guys [TS]

  in general and I don't really like the [TS]

  magic trackpad either but I think once [TS]

  you get the new laptops that are [TS]

  assuming they will someday release and [TS]

  it has the trackbed that's I think it's [TS]

  when you're real transition is going to [TS]

  because i was wondering like why is your [TS]

  opinion is not getting better and yet [TS]

  the only thing you're using is that [TS]

  thing i find that thing frustrating in [TS]

  the very frequently am i'm trying to [TS]

  press anywhere on the thing to make it [TS]

  click and it just doesn't it it feels [TS]

  like I'm pressing against the wall that [TS]

  doesn't movie i know it does little [TS]

  vibration thing and you know [TS]

  and eventually works by just in feels so [TS]

  much more awkward to me and to press it [TS]

  anywhere in a way that it doesn't when I [TS]

  use the forest trackpads on the big [TS]

  laptops [TS]

  yeah i mean look like the the home [TS]

  button turns out after use it for like a [TS]

  day you completely stopped noticing it [TS]

  as as a thing that is different [TS]

  except for when it was the wrong thing [TS]

  but overall it is really not a [TS]

  substantial problem at all and in some [TS]

  ways that benefit so it is not every if [TS]

  you don't yet have an iphone 7 the home [TS]

  button change is not a good enough [TS]

  reason to not get one if that was your [TS]

  only reason what i would say yeah i mean [TS]

  i prefer it now and yes we spoke about [TS]

  last episode I hated it for the first [TS]

  domino day or so and then I've quickly [TS]

  come around now I freaking love it and [TS]

  like you said that the little tactic [TS]

  touches that are throughout the OS like [TS]

  on spinners and things like that a [TS]

  really really like them i think they're [TS]

  really well done i'm looking forward to [TS]

  those little tactic touches its kind of [TS]

  proliferating through third-party apps [TS]

  as well so we'll see [TS]

  moving on a listener Sid sent me an [TS]

  email and i think this one only to me [TS]

  earlier today they had the same weird [TS]

  issue with their I'm act with with their [TS]

  5k imac and wc ram and apparently they [TS]

  had gone back and forth with owc trying [TS]

  different sticks and then just recently [TS]

  they sent an email to me forward an [TS]

  email to me from owc and it said a few [TS]

  things but most interestingly this is [TS]

  from owc we have recently located a [TS]

  coding fault in these modules and are [TS]

  currently refreshing our stock in order [TS]

  to rectify this [TS]

  I don't know what a coding fault is in [TS]

  terms of ram maybe one of you guys do [TS]

  but it seems that something genuinely [TS]

  was broken with the ram and they've [TS]

  recognized it and they're trying to fix [TS]

  it [TS]

  my computer had been up I think tender [TS]

  15 ish days before i installed Sierra [TS]

  it's been eight days since then i [TS]

  wouldn't call that an absolute victory [TS]

  for my replacement sticks which i did [TS]

  get from owc but certainly all signs are [TS]

  pointing to good news and so I just [TS]

  thought that was kinda interesting do [TS]

  you guys have any idea what a coating [TS]

  fault would mean and [TS]

  terms of ram I mean there's probably [TS]

  some kind of like timing and stuff like [TS]

  you know Ram obviously everything every [TS]

  component in the computer is now way [TS]

  more complicated than it used to be or [TS]

  way more complicated than we think it is [TS]

  so like this product I you know a ram [TS]

  stick could have firmware for all I know [TS]

  who knows i get it you know the ram has [TS]

  all these like tight timings and [TS]

  controllers and everything in them so it [TS]

  you know it could be it could be lots of [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  fair enough John you don't have anything [TS]

  to add i assume i have no idea what a [TS]

  coding fault is configured enough [TS]

  already [TS]

  at least i'm not alone that makes me [TS]

  feel slightly better right moving on we [TS]

  also got word that from Scott Riley [TS]

  among other people that the headphone [TS]

  jack issue that he had reported in 1000 [TS]

  has been fixed intento de su so if you [TS]

  recall if you had your i believe it's [TS]

  only with the dongles that right are [TS]

  generally speaking with the dongle you [TS]

  had some headphones like perhaps the [TS]

  older earbuds plugged into the Lightning [TS]

  to headphone dongle and you pause [TS]

  something and let it sit for five more [TS]

  minutes then the buttons on the [TS]

  headphones would not allow you to [TS]

  unpause them or unpause the the playback [TS]

  in so Scott and Scott Riley as reported [TS]

  in that this is now fixed so good news [TS]

  cool I'm excited about that Eduardo [TS]

  Pellegrino road in to talk to us about [TS]

  how volume works on bluetooth so I don't [TS]

  know Marco you want to take care of this [TS]

  yeah I'll go over quickly basically [TS]

  we're discussing in previous episodes [TS]

  about the question of whether bluetooth [TS]

  was recoding the audio to be sent over [TS]

  the air to between the phone bluetooth [TS]

  headsets one of the issues raised if you [TS]

  if you tried not to re-encode the audio [TS]

  was that we said you probably couldn't [TS]

  change the volume of water Pellegrino [TS]

  wrote in to basically tell us that with [TS]

  any modern blue peripheral the digital [TS]

  signal is a full amplitude and the [TS]

  volume controls being applied only at [TS]

  the headset volume level is negotiated [TS]

  between the phone and the headset [TS]

  there's all sorts of stuff involved in [TS]

  the avrcp spec almost every in almost [TS]

  every case of modern bluetooth [TS]

  headphones the signals being sent at [TS]

  full volume from the phone and the [TS]

  headphone itself is applying the the [TS]

  volume reduction or whatever to it that [TS]

  shows you could be sending the AC more [TS]

  easily but like it [TS]

  the the important part of the volume [TS]

  things [TS]

  talk about her like out sometimes you [TS]

  can just like the volume your control [TS]

  the volume on your phone and changes in [TS]

  your headphones that that's actually [TS]

  working in the opposite direction that [TS]

  when you do that it's the headset and [TS]

  the phone negotiating that when they [TS]

  press the volume buttons on the phone [TS]

  send a signal to the headphones like the [TS]

  phone is controlling the headphone [TS]

  volume the headphones are controlling [TS]

  the phone volume and I mean right like [TS]

  when you press that button you're [TS]

  actually sending a signal to the head [TS]

  phones to say hello back over the phone [TS]

  they said they want the volume lower and [TS]

  then the phone that the headset the [TS]

  bluetooth device itself lowest volume [TS]

  then we also heard word a or we've [TS]

  already heard word there are three [TS]

  digital-to-analog converters in the [TS]

  iphone 7 and we weren't really sure why [TS]

  and we got some feedback with the theory [TS]

  market you want to talk about this [TS]

  yeah this was this was i think one of my [TS]

  favorite thing i heard this week so we [TS]

  have an email back and it was from [TS]

  somebody who want to remain anonymous [TS]

  but it seemed like they kind of had this [TS]

  as like known information not [TS]

  speculation but the the so there are [TS]

  basically three audio chips in the [TS]

  iphone 7 we couldn't figure out with a [TS]

  thermistor really well maybe they're [TS]

  using it like just freaking news for [TS]

  cable routing whatever else so this [TS]

  person to tell us that was actually used [TS]

  for is the taptic engine it seems like [TS]

  it might just behave like a speaker coil [TS]

  you know you have at the the coils that [TS]

  that move the stuff around inside of it [TS]

  to make the field vibrate the commands [TS]

  that the phone is sending to the taptic [TS]

  engine it seems like it's doing it via [TS]

  audio signaling it's just it's not a [TS]

  speaker it's just a vibrating you know [TS]

  weight or whatever it is in there but [TS]

  isn't that like that to me that sounds [TS]

  really cool is it that such a brilliant [TS]

  act like that is that what you guys are [TS]

  sooo meant to [TS]

  that's what I assume the taptic engine [TS]

  always was because it is basically [TS]

  speaker without the cone when you have a [TS]

  speaker its best thing moving back and [TS]

  forth but there's no paper cone or [TS]

  whatever moving air so that's what [TS]

  always looks like it looks like a big [TS]

  magnet coil of wire type thingy [TS]

  yeah and so if you think about like you [TS]

  know like how how the phone would drive [TS]

  that it's it's basically sending it like [TS]

  midi notes almost like you eat whatever [TS]

  you're feeling the phone like uh and and [TS]

  like it's instead of being a cone that's [TS]

  providing that set a sound it is [TS]

  vibrating the thing inside at the [TS]

  probably like you know one or two six [TS]

  frequencies and just like dealing with [TS]

  the timing industry [TS]

  then everything that I think that's [TS]

  really cool yeah I never thought of it [TS]

  that way but that is super awesome and [TS]

  is there some difference in the way the [TS]

  taptic engine is is working that maybe [TS]

  the new one is much better and that's [TS]

  why it's you don't get that that control [TS]

  in that API for the success taptic [TS]

  engine isn't that the case that the [TS]

  success taptic engine you don't get any [TS]

  control over as a developer but the [TS]

  seven you do that yet basically or at [TS]

  least the success you have very little [TS]

  control and the Seven you have basically [TS]

  full control you should look at the [TS]

  seven to see if it has a an audio thing [TS]

  for the taptic engine maybe does or it [TS]

  could be that the old ones just [TS]

  basically on off in the only way you get [TS]

  different sort of vibration themes or [TS]

  sequences by going on often different [TS]

  frequencies whereas this one we could [TS]

  dig through iOS maybe you could find [TS]

  like the audio samples that they send to [TS]

  the virtual speaker that is the taptic [TS]

  engine rather than just going on off on [TS]

  off on off just send tones or [TS]

  frequencies or sounds a bit will be a [TS]

  good jailbreak hack if you could play [TS]

  music through the haptic engine and see [TS]

  what does that like the floppy disk [TS]

  performances have the olden days [TS]

  that's the story you can like feel a [TS]

  song you know you can eat party at least [TS]

  feeling basic rhythm you know it's like [TS]

  it basically is like a like a fairly in [TS]

  precise and different output type of [TS]

  speaker and that's pretty cool [TS]

  I i think this is a really cool thing to [TS]

  it to learn yeah i'm curious to see if [TS]

  they give us any more control over time [TS]

  I can't imagine that they would put man [TS]

  with that we need to be able to do you [TS]

  know have some more fine-grained control [TS]

  over it [TS]

  assistive touch so we've been talking [TS]

  about this quite a bit and there's been [TS]

  a couple of new theories as to why I [TS]

  guess this is happening John do you want [TS]

  to talk about this is just a couple that [TS]

  we left out in the last discussion of [TS]

  why assistive touch so prevalent in east [TS]

  asia and one idea was that [TS]

  that's the parts that are in the iphones [TS]

  in that region sort of the non United [TS]

  States Europe regions are the criteria [TS]

  parts now I can understand why this [TS]

  would be something that happens in like [TS]

  me you're selling into you know markets [TS]

  that you sell lesson that you make less [TS]

  money and [TS]

  you have parts that are not as good you [TS]

  might sell the creditor ones into the [TS]

  market where you make less money it [TS]

  doesn't seem like a thing that apple [TS]

  would ever do it seems to me that Apple [TS]

  has a certain quality control procedure [TS]

  and they just applied to all their [TS]

  products and that's that but but who [TS]

  knows maybe they know better than I do [TS]

  but there's also sounds like one of the [TS]

  things like so many companies have done [TS]

  that they just assume everybody does it [TS]

  I'm not sure if it's true of Apple but [TS]

  that would explain like you know we are [TS]

  home buttons are worse than yours [TS]

  essentially like I live in Thailand and [TS]

  our home buttons break more than yours [TS]

  do because we get the crappy home [TS]

  buttons and you don't [TS]

  setting aside like you know the iphone 4 [TS]

  was bad for everybody right so that's [TS]

  one idea another idea heard put forth is [TS]

  it's really humid here and humid [TS]

  destroys our electronics sooner than [TS]

  yours like always going towards the [TS]

  notion that empirically home buttons do [TS]

  not last as long in this region of the [TS]

  world either because they're getting [TS]

  cheaper parts or because they're getting [TS]

  the same parts and they get messed up by [TS]

  humanity now both of these sound like [TS]

  things that sound plausible but don't [TS]

  really don't don't really make that much [TS]

  sense to me because I can tell you in [TS]

  the United States at least we have [TS]

  plenty of humidity just ask casey i [TS]

  think we have me in places that about [TS]

  anybody you don't hear about people in [TS]

  Louisiana and Georgia having home [TS]

  buttons that fail more often than people [TS]

  in Arizona right so I don't think that's [TS]

  it and the cheaper parts thing on only [TS]

  Apple knows for sure right it's not like [TS]

  they're going to admit this but it just [TS]

  doesn't seem like a thing that apple [TS]

  would do I think they have you know for [TS]

  all their suppliers have quality control [TS]

  standards and just apply them [TS]

  universally and if they don't meet the [TS]

  quality standards they you know send [TS]

  them back around and recycle things and [TS]

  try again [TS]

  that makes sense so we've gotten word [TS]

  that in iOS 10 iCloud backup so really [TS]

  restores i guess i should say now [TS]

  include passwords now if you recall and [TS]

  i think i first heard this from Marco [TS]

  years ago but all three of us had [TS]

  recommended that if you're going to back [TS]

  up your phone [TS]

  the most reliable or / maybe perhaps [TS]

  easiest way to do it is to backup with [TS]

  itunes and ensure that you've checked [TS]

  the encrypt backups checkbox and so this [TS]

  made this password protects your backups [TS]

  and then because it's password-protected [TS]

  Apple feels like [TS]

  Oh in this case I guess we can include [TS]

  like Wi-Fi passwords and things like [TS]

  that in the back up if you don't encrypt [TS]

  your backup then the backup will not [TS]

  include Wi-Fi passwords and things of [TS]

  that nature which makes sense now [TS]

  apparently I in iOS 10 iCloud backups [TS]

  and restores now include passwords which [TS]

  is excellent i didn't know that was a [TS]

  thing you have to learn to read the code [TS]

  of the note the show notes one of the [TS]

  trends actually say they don't say I i [TS]

  was ten my cloud restores now included [TS]

  passwords right what do they say I see a [TS]

  question mark at the end of that [TS]

  sentence iOS 10 iCloud restores now [TS]

  include passwords ? at the end because i [TS]

  have heard this as well none of us have [TS]

  actually confirmed it but I seen a [TS]

  couple of tweets that effect that not [TS]

  tried it myself but in theory they now [TS]

  include passwords i was only one of you [TS]

  knew for sure if you had done it but [TS]

  anyway no but I've heard this in [TS]

  independently several different times [TS]

  now [TS]

  yeah i know im just understanding go and [TS]

  look it up an apple site and I haven't [TS]

  done it myself so don't tell people hey [TS]

  don't worry about just use iCloud will [TS]

  have everything but I seems like fingers [TS]

  crossed this will be the last update [TS]

  where we were you have to hear the the [TS]

  spiel from everybody who's on a tech [TS]

  podcast saying oh make sure you do an [TS]

  encrypted itunes backup and I like this [TS]

  because i hate itunes backup I hate the [TS]

  fact that i connect my thing at the time [TS]

  that says it failed to connect the [TS]

  device or backup failed for some reason [TS]

  that you can't control it just reboot [TS]

  everything and cross your fingers i hate [TS]

  it so much [TS]

  really yes it's the work you know maybe [TS]

  you should get a newer mac because i [TS]

  don't have anything that said on a 5k [TS]

  imac is a five-year contract with an [TS]

  iphone like a success plus really like [TS]

  my wife's device in my kids devices is [TS]

  completely inscrutable and I kind of [TS]

  know like the one I can't connect to the [TS]

  process on the phone and I just messed [TS]

  up you just have to like reboot them [TS]

  both and just get it just stores and [TS]

  halftime fails in the middle for some [TS]

  reason it's like well I couldn't do it [TS]

  sorry and it's always had like 20 [TS]

  minutes of incredibly slow transfer over [TS]

  USB two speeds from this hate it so much [TS]

  so i'll be very happy to have this bi [TS]

  cloud thing that that is first [TS]

  terrible's iCloud restore is where it [TS]

  takes forever dear apps to come back and [TS]

  everything at least did in my experience [TS]

  it runs unattended so i could start the [TS]

  restore and then go to sleep and leave [TS]

  it plugged in and wake up and hopefully [TS]

  we'll be done where is now the itunes [TS]

  it's like make an attempt come back and [TS]

  5 10 50 [TS]

  minutes to see if it failed it has do a [TS]

  bunch of rain dances make another [TS]

  attempt [TS]

  I really don't like itunes interaction [TS]

  with iOS devices at all never really [TS]

  liked it and just getting worse [TS]

  that's so weird to me because I almost [TS]

  never have any issues with with itunes [TS]

  backups and i have heard although I have [TS]

  not seen this with my own eyes I've [TS]

  heard numerous people complaining and [TS]

  moaning about how terrible and flaky I [TS]

  iCloud backup sorry well backups and [TS]

  restores and I mean it doesn't mean [TS]

  you're wrong doesn't mean I'm right it's [TS]

  surprising that your experience seems to [TS]

  be the opposite of everything I've heard [TS]

  also i mean we have a lot of you know [TS]

  friends and at least two of the host of [TS]

  the show are early adopters you like to [TS]

  buy things on day one and on day one [TS]

  sometimes the IDI cloud servers get [TS]

  overloaded or the app store service get [TS]

  overloaded and things don't quite work [TS]

  reliably and so you know we had a one [TS]

  people will all will usually have more [TS]

  reliable experiences without with itunes [TS]

  backup and restore in that case because [TS]

  we're avoiding all those day one server [TS]

  hassles whereas John who buys phones [TS]

  when they're you know 3 34 years old [TS]

  once he's really sure that everything is [TS]

  safe about them you know he he by that [TS]

  point that everything has calmed down [TS]

  with servers and he doesn't those issues [TS]

  now the main reason the reason I was [TS]

  safe for people to see if I could have [TS]

  ios and icloud three stores now have [TS]

  passwords on them as we think the main [TS]

  reason to do is to save as the space [TS]

  because the backups are big trip like [TS]

  they're not the full size of your [TS]

  storage you know we have various you [TS]

  know if endings and maybe not transfer [TS]

  purchases or whatever but they're big [TS]

  enough that if you have a family full of [TS]

  iOS devices you have a single mac with a [TS]

  regular person size of SD you're wasting [TS]

  a huge amount of your SSD Space nine are [TS]

  wasting right but you're using a huge [TS]

  amount of your SSD space for device [TS]

  backups say you get a family with a [TS]

  bunch of 128 gig devices and you back [TS]

  them all up to a single mac that you [TS]

  said all just got the 500 gig SSD you [TS]

  will use all of your space for iOS [TS]

  device backups and I'm not you know the [TS]

  cloud is not a perfect backup and [TS]

  cambios to and if you really care about [TS]

  the stuff that's on your phone have [TS]

  multiple backup so on and so forth but [TS]

  it always annoys me when I'm like [TS]

  discriminatory acts that ancient program [TS]

  it still works or any other programs [TS]

  that show you like the tree map of your [TS]

  hard drive with the you know area on [TS]

  this little area [TS]

  the rectangles representing sighs and I [TS]

  see the giant thing for you know Mobile [TS]

  back-up whatever that folder is I think [TS]

  don't need all those backups how many [TS]

  backups do I have and I just you know [TS]

  you can go to go in items and delete [TS]

  them into them out but they take up a [TS]

  lot of room so I will be very happy when [TS]

  I can sort of allow iCloud to be my main [TS]

  backup for my thing and only back after [TS]

  Mac periodically as like a belt and [TS]

  suspenders typing like once every few [TS]

  months and only keep one backup not keep [TS]

  not keep like backups you know 7recent [TS]

  back that's just one an emergency [TS]

  because for the most part most of the [TS]

  data that's on my phone should be [TS]

  elsewhere all the photos go to [TS]

  photostream photostream goes to photos [TS]

  photos gets backed up in 17 million [TS]

  places because of my crazy photos back [TS]

  those photos are fine everything else [TS]

  like notes and stuff like that is in [TS]

  theory backed up locally on my mac these [TS]

  are sinking to the same account in fact [TS]

  multiple macs so I feel like I just [TS]

  still have multiple backups and I'm [TS]

  totally ready to not waste my SSD space [TS]

  with itunes backups as soon as I can we [TS]

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  it is very very useful tracker also has [TS]

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  sponsoring our show last week we talked [TS]

  about the rumors of apple investing in [TS]

  and are buying McLaren and whether we [TS]

  thought that was a good idea or what [TS]

  Apple would get out of it and we got a [TS]

  lot of feedback about it and i would say [TS]

  the vast majority of the feedback was [TS]

  telling us that we don't understand what [TS]

  an awesome company McLaren is that app [TS]

  would be happy to have them the common [TS]

  threads they're pointed out is did you [TS]

  know mcLaren has an f1 team and everyone [TS]

  is really technically advanced and [TS]

  computers and engine control units and [TS]

  telemetry data from all the f1's like [TS]

  basically the idea that formula one is a [TS]

  very high-tech thing McLaren is a [TS]

  high-tech companies not a bunch of [TS]

  people with crazy overalls slapping [TS]

  together cars there a tech company at [TS]

  second angle on that is you know they're [TS]

  not they're not actually even a car [TS]

  company they're basically a technology [TS]

  company just like Apple it happened to [TS]

  make cars their manufacturing expertise [TS]

  in terms of pushing the limits on new [TS]

  materials and how to build build cars in [TS]

  new ways that new materials was touted [TS]

  by many people of all the balls to point [TS]

  out a BMW and their their carbon fiber [TS]

  stuff for their electronic cars [TS]

  everything like that so in general and I [TS]

  don't know if every single one of these [TS]

  emails coming from like the 10 the town [TS]

  in England where there they store well [TS]

  that's not wandering don't even know you [TS]

  it's obvious not a small f1 so you got [TS]

  us there is not we do not follow and I [TS]

  think in general it's not nearly as [TS]

  popular in America kind of like soccer [TS]

  or football if you will [TS]

  yeah forgive us where American right we [TS]

  don't know but I do know a lot about [TS]

  mclaren though and most of the things [TS]

  they're saying about carbon fiber and [TS]

  the technology and all itself guess [TS]

  that's all true but i still go back to [TS]

  what I said [TS]

  last show which is investment [TS]

  partnership yeah totally because million [TS]

  companies they can investment have [TS]

  partnerships with and there's certain [TS]

  things i can get from them and from [TS]

  every other company that they've been in [TS]

  the auto industry that might have [TS]

  something they could build something for [TS]

  them or whatever but in terms of buying [TS]

  them outright [TS]

  that's that's a whole other story [TS]

  like I just for this way it's kind of [TS]

  like when i started my nintendo half of [TS]

  it is I think it would be a great idea [TS]

  but the other half would have to admit [TS]

  is that I think it would be a shame to [TS]

  by McLaren and not let it continue to do [TS]

  what it has done for most of my life [TS]

  which is no I most of my life but since [TS]

  the nineties or whatever like they make [TS]

  supercars right and i like that they [TS]

  make supercars and I don't want them to [TS]

  stop doing that even though that may not [TS]

  be the most important business or the [TS]

  main business or their area of expertise [TS]

  or whatever you know whatever aspect you [TS]

  think that is not important part of [TS]

  their business [TS]

  Apple's not interested in selling two [TS]

  hundred $300,000 cars I don't think [TS]

  right maybe maybe John will have the [TS]

  aplicar addition that will be expensive [TS]

  item from solid gold but I don't want [TS]

  someone to buy McLaren and stop it from [TS]

  doing what it does and i bet the people [TS]

  who like f1 don't want Apple by McLaren [TS]

  and say yeah we're not doing that f1 [TS]

  thing anymore right [TS]

  if they only want them for their [TS]

  expertise and in-car to Lima tree and [TS]

  engine control units and manufacturing [TS]

  stuff then just partner with them but I [TS]

  don't want them to buy them because I [TS]

  feel like what McLaren is doing does not [TS]

  fit with apple or i can imagine how [TS]

  Apple ever wanted to do and so you [TS]

  either by them and just let them [TS]

  continue to be mclaren which is weird [TS]

  like beets kind of thing but it's not [TS]

  but not as much synergy because beats [TS]

  closer to apples business then what [TS]

  mclaren does or you just partner with [TS]

  them so and then the other part is that [TS]

  the mass manufacturing would be like [TS]

  they know how to build things they're [TS]

  graded it like those supercars are not [TS]

  built in the same way as toyotas you [TS]

  cannot build hundreds of thousands of [TS]

  cars the way they built the p1 you just [TS]

  can't get different technique now it's [TS]

  great that they're advancing the [TS]

  state-of-the-art and find new ways to [TS]

  build things there helped a lot of [TS]

  people more people doing things with [TS]

  their hands and when building mclaren [TS]

  car then there are building a Honda or [TS]

  Toyota and and regular I like apples [TS]

  need to buy company that yes they can [TS]

  just partner but that's that something [TS]

  apple doesn't know how to do they know [TS]

  how to make lots of compete [TS]

  others and lots of you know then I want [TS]

  to help other companies make lots of [TS]

  computers you know the know how to [TS]

  invest in machinery that boxcar confused [TS]

  about their computers but Fox was not [TS]

  about cars and apple doesn't know how to [TS]

  build half the stuff that's why they [TS]

  outsourced so again if you're gonna [TS]

  outsource your partner and have somebody [TS]

  one of these you know builders that [TS]

  magnet company build your stuff [TS]

  fine but buying outright just doesn't [TS]

  seem like a good idea [TS]

  so let me learn be McLaren is what i say [TS]

  makes sense to me a lot of people wrote [TS]

  in the very very enthusiastic about [TS]

  mclaren lot f1 fans that are also nerds [TS]

  it seems didn't know they made a car [TS]

  called the f1 I did you know I've heard [TS]

  it's very nice neighborhood maybe [TS]

  they'll never listen to neutral and [TS]

  don't know like we don't know if one but [TS]

  we know mclaren or in every market [TS]

  doesn't well I didn't know there may be [TS]

  a fun [TS]

  I don't know anything about mclaren or [TS]

  f1 you've never heard of the mclaren f1 [TS]

  of course not why would I you've never [TS]

  heard of the Millennium Falcon [TS]

  I mean that yeah hard the cows around 12 [TS]

  parsecs [TS]

  that doesn't even make sense though you [TS]

  do you have heard of the mclaren f1 [TS]

  which is the one that had three seats [TS]

  and he drove in the center seat [TS]

  you know what I'm thinking of em no but [TS]

  that sounds like a terrible car [TS]

  oh god Marcus it was like the greatest [TS]

  car for me but your costs pretty much [TS]

  what I mean this is coming from a [TS]

  Ferrari fanboy that that the mclaren f1 [TS]

  is the greatest part made no I was [TS]

  disappointed in the p1 because anything [TS]

  like this one didn't make a success [TS]

  force only how can you how can you [TS]

  follow that up the well the many neutral [TS]

  the mclaren f1 supercar made to be like [TS]

  it one of its important goals was it was [TS]

  going to be the fastest not just the [TS]

  quickest with the fastest so top speed [TS]

  was a big deal [TS]

  they usually under that these days and [TS]

  although the bugatti veyron did a little [TS]

  top speed stuff as well but in general [TS]

  supercars are staying away from top [TS]

  speed because once you get up into the [TS]

  high to 50 mile-per-hour things it [TS]

  becomes a rear dynamic power challenge [TS]

  what stupid Veyron has gigantic guessing [TS]

  sucking engine 16-cylinder engine in [TS]

  there [TS]

  but the f1 was it was quick not as quick [TS]

  as modern cars obviously but it was [TS]

  quick but it had a very top speed I [TS]

  think it was up into fifties you sound [TS]

  exactly dead center in it which is [TS]

  something that always ignore me about [TS]

  like super cars like this entire car is [TS]

  about performance [TS]

  why am I sitting off to the left right [TS]

  like it should be like a racecar where [TS]

  you sit in the middle you doing this one [TS]

  it looked great and it was just it was [TS]

  just the epitome of like let's make the [TS]

  best car in the world like what Apple [TS]

  not Apple usually about some companies [TS]

  some computer companies have done let's [TS]

  make the best x in the world like in [TS]

  every possible way it could be the best [TS]

  in terms like it wasn't the best [TS]

  performance car is faster than every [TS]

  color of the car [TS]

  yes a quick around the track their every [TS]

  other car yes is better looking at a [TS]

  real the car yes i can just aim for the [TS]

  top and it was on the top for a long [TS]

  period of time and the successor the p1 [TS]

  is not the same thing but anyway it's [TS]

  kind of like the sr-71 of the carrboro [TS]

  where for a brief moment they made the [TS]

  best car in the world and everyone [TS]

  recognized it and set yep you did it and [TS]

  that's why they go for huge amounts of [TS]

  money now [TS]

  they also had a a unfortunate a penchant [TS]

  for killing their owners and are [TS]

  destroying themselves [TS]

  inhale carbon fiber because it very rich [TS]

  people get essentially the best car in [TS]

  the world the boot that's reputation [TS]

  precedes it that is more car than they [TS]

  can handle [TS]

  and they go out in a blaze of glory [TS]

  drive carefully see I'm looking at this [TS]

  car and it like McLaren is is is a [TS]

  company that makes cars that are [TS]

  exceptionally well regarded by everybody [TS]

  else in the world but yet I look at them [TS]

  and just immediately forget about them [TS]

  like I idol if you would have asked me [TS]

  before this conversation started to name [TS]

  supercar brands i would have forgotten [TS]

  about them i wouldn't even I wouldn't [TS]

  even they wouldn't even cross my mind so [TS]

  they made the f1 was like the best [TS]

  supercar barmaid right and then today [TS]

  they make a line of cars that look like [TS]

  fish fine but they're really good best [TS]

  supercar writing the the p1 and the the [TS]

  650 and all the other like that put the [TS]

  old unfortunate name was an MP 1240 [TS]

  where the hell was that [TS]

  I think that's right they have terrible [TS]

  names but they're good supercars like [TS]

  they're not they're not bad they're [TS]

  right up there with the whole rest of [TS]

  them right that's why when I [TS]

  like that the other various car [TS]

  challenges like the p1 the 918 and offer [TS]

  re right there right there right in [TS]

  there the top three there one of those [TS]

  other cars and you may think they're [TS]

  forgettable because the styling is [TS]

  interesting but the BF one does look a [TS]

  little bit dated but you know it's it's [TS]

  an old cars from the nineties i mean i [TS]

  submit maybe the problem is that i don't [TS]

  really care as much as most car [TS]

  enthusiasts do about supercars like to [TS]

  meet a supercar is just like you know [TS]

  okay great it can go really fast it is [TS]

  completely impractical for any use ever [TS]

  and cost a billion dollars and you know [TS]

  you and you drive it ten miles and it [TS]

  needs a five-thousand-dollar clutch like [TS]

  it like I don't really know why I should [TS]

  care about this world is just under [TS]

  supercars all right to bring this back [TS]

  to tech topics that was gonna do this [TS]

  speaking of my my potential pristine jet [TS]

  black iphone that I was speculating [TS]

  about possibly taking out of the case [TS]

  and carefully putting in my clean room [TS]

  wearing my Intel bunny suit into a [TS]

  leather case where no part of it that is [TS]

  not exposed to the outside will get [TS]

  damaged if I'm very careful with that in [TS]

  theory couple people made snarky [TS]

  comments like isn't that like getting an [TS]

  iphone and then never using the home [TS]

  button but it doesn't matter because [TS]

  you're never gonna use the home button [TS]

  what good is a jet-black phone that you [TS]

  keep Christine if you never see the jet [TS]

  black foam because it's always in a case [TS]

  and I what I hope these are longtime [TS]

  listeners to the show i would hope that [TS]

  people who are longtime listeners like [TS]

  you two were always here [TS]

  why it is not analogous why do why is [TS]

  that not a valid analogy in my specific [TS]

  dates are saying oh john says you know [TS]

  you shouldn't have never used the home [TS]

  button doesn't matter what he's doing [TS]

  the same thing with Jeff like why is [TS]

  that not the case i thought that was [TS]

  amazing feedback and I was disappointed [TS]

  we didn't think of it during the show [TS]

  same here hi you guys can figure out to [TS]

  switch your brains from that mode to the [TS]

  other mode and say assume it is not the [TS]

  case as i can tell you that it's not why [TS]

  well with the new home button it's [TS]

  irrelevant because it doesn't move but [TS]

  not like why is it was not the same as [TS]

  my jet black iphone situation that's me [TS]

  specifically [TS]

  well because it because the there's a [TS]

  huge difference and effectiveness hear [TS]

  the people who are not using the home [TS]

  button will actually succeed in their [TS]

  goal but John you will not succeed in [TS]

  not scratching Jeff [TS]

  like it is impossible that I don't know [TS]

  if that's the case we'll see but no no [TS]

  see the the what they were trying to say [TS]

  the absurdity look if you're never gonna [TS]

  use the home button and you're never [TS]

  gonna sell your phone that was all [TS]

  things like i was saying if you're not [TS]

  going to resell it because obviously it [TS]

  retains resale value but not breaking [TS]

  home button if you have a pristine home [TS]

  button maybe your phone is worth more [TS]

  later so there's value in happen if [TS]

  you're never gonna reset and you're [TS]

  never gonna touch it [TS]

  what the hell do you care of it works [TS]

  and so with jet-black if you're never [TS]

  going to see it because you're going to [TS]

  keep it in case what the hell do you [TS]

  care if it's scratched up right and I [TS]

  don't understand why people don't know [TS]

  me from now and you to always make fun [TS]

  about this when i'm done with my phone [TS]

  i'm not going to resell what's gonna [TS]

  happen to it you'll get over to the [TS]

  Museum of pristine apple hardware and [TS]

  there is value in a museum of Christine [TS]

  apple hardware for the Harvard to be [TS]

  pristine why you think I'm protecting in [TS]

  the case not just so i can go to sleep [TS]

  at night thinking it's safely ensconced [TS]

  there's one time when i'm done with the [TS]

  phone it's going to come out of that [TS]

  case and be a beautiful Christina object [TS]

  along with my other Apple hardware and [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  now you could say like I'm gonna build [TS]

  it all that junk in your attic will [TS]

  never be displayed in such a beautiful [TS]

  way deserving it but you have the like [TS]

  that's my plan right now so it has value [TS]

  in my plan right weather has value [TS]

  actuality you can argue with but it's [TS]

  not analogy that out someone's [TS]

  preserving the home button is never [TS]

  going to resell it but then when they're [TS]

  done using the phone they're just going [TS]

  to press that pristine home button once [TS]

  a day for pleasure then they have a [TS]

  reason to do it as well we also sponsor [TS]

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  second of all it sounds like it would be [TS]

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  these are not concerned in practice [TS]

  first of all we've gotten so many [TS]

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  they pack it so well I've never heard a [TS]

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  of course if it does i'll cover you you [TS]

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  I've never heard from any of my friends [TS]

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  we sent them overseas I mean we sent [TS]

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  really and 44 wait you think this giant [TS]

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  it's not what you think based on the [TS]

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  a glass front and what all around it's [TS]

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  something to look into when you hang it [TS]

  up and the glass itself is so thin that [TS]

  it is incredibly lightweight for its [TS]

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  so basically it is an incredibly [TS]

  practical way to hang pictures on your [TS]

  walls and stuff are you can have little [TS]

  desks as to what they look fantastic on [TS]

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  alright so we didn't get any time to [TS]

  talk about it last week but Mac OS [TS]

  Sierra is out it's a thing and i have [TS]

  installed it on my imac i have not [TS]

  installed it on my work computer because [TS]

  we got the standard oh god oh god we [TS]

  knew it's been coming for months but we [TS]

  haven't tested any of our software with [TS]

  it [TS]

  message from work so anyway so it's not [TS]

  my work machine but it isn't my home [TS]

  machine and so far so good i really like [TS]

  it i think anyway glowing endorsement [TS]

  from kc list right there [TS]

  alright I are you running it on your [TS]

  imac Marco no pick up no yeah basically [TS]

  normally I i have jumped into things [TS]

  like this quickly in the past it almost [TS]

  every case i have regretted it because [TS]

  something that i use breaks often audio [TS]

  related or related some kind of like [TS]

  hardware driver type of app you know [TS]

  people have reported issues with fujitsu [TS]

  scansnap software which actually [TS]

  wouldn't have impact because i have that [TS]

  running on my mac mini server its armor [TS]

  on my main computer but i do have you no [TS]

  audio running I'm a computer i have [TS]

  external audio devices i edit with logic [TS]

  and we've heard various rumblings from [TS]

  people at jason's now this is this has [TS]

  had occasional problems during the beta [TS]

  period and might not still be fixed so [TS]

  basically the question is and this this [TS]

  we're going to hopefully John's review [TS]

  of it but the question for me is like [TS]

  what's new in Sierra what is worth [TS]

  risking things breaking and dealing with [TS]

  the inevitable instability that almost [TS]

  every point zero release of the OS [TS]

  brings and in iOS you know the the [TS]

  differences are larger and also on iOS [TS]

  developer and so I feel like I need to [TS]

  pay more attention there and use the [TS]

  betas and get my operating for the beta [TS]

  and everything else on OS 10 I never I [TS]

  never ever run the the beta Mac Mac OS [TS]

  on my main computer if anything i run it [TS]

  on my laptop and even then I don't [TS]

  usually do that so basically I have to [TS]

  look at the features that are new and [TS]

  have to say you know what among these [TS]

  features am I just dying to use that [TS]

  will make it worth the period of [TS]

  potential instability up front for a new [TS]

  OS release and in Sierra's case I just [TS]

  not compelling from the features people [TS]

  are talking about the changes the [TS]

  improvements are just things that [TS]

  either either I I wouldn't really use or [TS]

  that would be nice but but i'm not sure [TS]

  it's worth it yet so I'm not saying [TS]

  never gonna upgrade i'm probably gonna [TS]

  upgrade within the next couple of weeks [TS]

  but I kind of just want like a point one [TS]

  to come out or or just to hear from [TS]

  people that these issues that were in [TS]

  the beta's might be fixed or whatever [TS]

  else there's not enough here for me to [TS]

  be an early adopter of it but i'll [TS]

  upgrade soon enough [TS]

  John what are your thoughts so I've got [TS]

  two incompatible computers my work [TS]

  computer my own computer in theory are [TS]

  supported and practice and practice my [TS]

  home computer runs it fine because I ran [TS]

  debate is all being a separate drive [TS]

  I've waited long enough to hear if [TS]

  there's anything disastrous and there [TS]

  wasn't so upgraded my imac while she's [TS]

  away surprised she's fine [TS]

  that's a bold move i also control the [TS]

  backup so don't worry if if anything was [TS]

  wrong i just would have restored for one [TS]

  of the umpteen backups I made a mess and [TS]

  it would have been fine but it's it's [TS]

  fine i did the only scare I've gotten so [TS]

  far and I don't even know I can't blame [TS]

  this on Sierra because it's one of those [TS]

  things that occasionally happens when [TS]

  you get a dialog asking for a password [TS]

  and you enter the password and you [TS]

  didn't know the dialogue would says like [TS]

  keychain system could not be found or [TS]

  something like that you know keeping you [TS]

  got all these different your login [TS]

  keychain and some beach in all the stuff [TS]

  teaching corruption is like one of the [TS]

  worst things can happen it's just such a [TS]

  panda asks you just you can wipe it all [TS]

  out and just type in the password if you [TS]

  have them someplace else like in one [TS]

  password or whatever but it's just so [TS]

  annoying [TS]

  you just wanted to be like just go back [TS]

  to working states only once a dialogue [TS]

  once I'm like nope that means reboot and [TS]

  so i rebooted everything and it's been [TS]

  fine which is the worst kind of problem [TS]

  to have who knows what it was very often [TS]

  when you update the OS updates the [TS]

  bundled apps and sometimes they don't [TS]

  they have different signatures or [TS]

  whatever don't look at the same they [TS]

  can't get access to the same key times [TS]

  want to be reauthorized like this is the [TS]

  thing that I'm kind of used to by now [TS]

  but other than that can only happen once [TS]

  everything else is mostly fine also her [TS]

  computer is the one with the real family [TS]

  iPhoto library so I wanted to I wanted [TS]

  it to do its thing with the photo [TS]

  searching so i can actually use that and [TS]

  so I was motivated enough to upgrade her [TS]

  computer and I said it's fine i'm kind [TS]

  of the same situation is Marco with 90 x [TS]

  even worse because i have unsupported [TS]

  computers in both situations i have to [TS]

  ask do I want to risk like you know what [TS]

  the point of it comes out i run the [TS]

  updater and then it was my thing and I [TS]

  gotta go through some little dance to [TS]

  get it back because it's unsupported I [TS]

  want to deal with that and what is there [TS]

  in the operating system makes me feel [TS]

  like I'm missing out essentially like I [TS]

  feel like I can't use something like [TS]

  today downloaded a developer build an [TS]

  application and has a little circle with [TS]

  a line through it on it and I realize oh [TS]

  this must be a this must be CR only [TS]

  that's the type of thing that makes me [TS]

  go you know what I should upgrade right [TS]

  because I want to be able to run the new [TS]

  software or the features like everyone's [TS]

  like Oh picture picture is amazing it's [TS]

  you know I use it all the time and you [TS]

  know like are tabbed documents and all [TS]

  these applications didn't previously [TS]

  support them now magically do because of [TS]

  os you know and this document features [TS]

  right if I feel like I'm missing out on [TS]

  what everyone else is doing [TS]

  I probably will bite the bullet but at [TS]

  home I motivated not upgrade because I [TS]

  screw up my audio you know like my pod [TS]

  casting setup here and it worked [TS]

  motivated not upgrade because in any way [TS]

  that I screw up my work computer is a [TS]

  delay in doing my work and my work [TS]

  doesn't go away while fighting with my [TS]

  computer and it's not like I can stay at [TS]

  work an extra three hours when I'm [TS]

  bringing the kids even though my parents [TS]

  are here just you know I have to get [TS]

  back so I don't know what I'm going to [TS]

  do i may I mean like I'm not really [TS]

  waiting like I feel like I'm missing out [TS]

  missing out because I the 5ki mike has [TS]

  it and whenever a new photo stuff I use [TS]

  it like I'm I'm seeing all the features [TS]

  and of course i use all the beta so it's [TS]

  not a mystery to me and I like don't [TS]

  know what it's about the other hand I [TS]

  couldn't give you a review of at this [TS]

  point because i'm not using it everyday [TS]

  and the two main computers that I used [TS]

  my home computer or my work computer [TS]

  I don't know I'm i might but I might [TS]

  bite the bullet maybe they're on their [TS]

  point 2.3 or whatever i'm sure we'll [TS]

  eventually I'm very bad at resisting [TS]

  these type of things even though I've [TS]

  got it on maybe because i have it on the [TS]

  5k imac that I'll see it over there and [TS]

  realize like things are nicer or I just [TS]

  want this thing that's over there it's [TS]

  not over here even if it's just like [TS]

  some new feature in the terminal [TS]

  application or something i'll probably [TS]

  upgrade but i haven't done yet [TS]

  alright good talk no i mean i i've been [TS]

  using it at home and I like it [TS]

  the think the thing that [TS]

  I interact with most that I like the [TS]

  most is probably some rudimentary [TS]

  support for new messages features like [TS]

  the big emoji the inline i have like [TS]

  rich content stuff so if you say paste [TS]

  between messages will actually go and [TS]

  expand that tweet for you kind of slack [TS]

  style i have been using the watch unlock [TS]

  the first two times i used it is a fifty [TS]

  percent success rate since then it's [TS]

  been nearly a hundred percent success [TS]

  rate but that being said it takes longer [TS]

  than it takes me to type my like 10-15 [TS]

  character password which is a little bit [TS]

  of a bummer but maybe that will get [TS]

  better in the future if I'm really that [TS]

  in that much of a hurry I can certainly [TS]

  just type my password but do you think [TS]

  it's because you have the old slow [TS]

  watched it's taking awhile or suggest [TS]

  like you inherit in the you know what [TS]

  are you waiting on [TS]

  I think it's because it's just trying to [TS]

  figure out if the watch is close enough [TS]

  physically close enough so it's pride [TS]

  that I dug into this or maybe somebody [TS]

  told me about it but I guess it's doing [TS]

  like a round-trip time of some sort of [TS]

  packet or communication between the [TS]

  watching the computer to make sure you [TS]

  are very physically close to it that [TS]

  someone was Craig federighi on the talk [TS]

  show live [TS]

  ok so anyway so point being it takes a [TS]

  little time for that computation or that [TS]

  coming off the computation but that you [TS]

  know round-tripping to be computed so [TS]

  I'm not saying it's like a cpu intensive [TS]

  thing is just takes time to send send a [TS]

  little bit of data see how long that [TS]

  takes wait and just wait for it to come [TS]

  back or whatever the mechanism is that's [TS]

  making this work but anyway it is fairly [TS]

  reliable but I haven't but I haven't [TS]

  been able to say that it's much quicker [TS]

  than then just type in my password that [TS]

  was one of the features that was making [TS]

  by the way for you to the watch unlock [TS]

  that was one of the features that was [TS]

  making you think oh that's gonna be the [TS]

  one that's gonna make me install it work [TS]

  because it work I don't know if you do [TS]

  this case but in most corporate jobs [TS]

  they want you to lock your computer [TS]

  whenever you're not sitting in front of [TS]

  it and I do like that of habit like I've [TS]

  always liked it for the second i get up [TS]

  and now an unfortunate culture at work [TS]

  that is fading a little bit of if you do [TS]

  leave you can be there unlocked when you [TS]

  get up you are punished for it by your [TS]

  co-workers civil email everybody [TS]

  something embarrassing for your email [TS]

  hundred i think that is inappropriate [TS]

  and should not be done and [TS]

  you could just remind them that they [TS]

  should lock the computer but in practice [TS]

  what actually happens is much worse [TS]

  anyway I always liked my computer which [TS]

  means that every time I come back to my [TS]

  desk at don't like my computer even a [TS]

  hundred getting up and walking one desk [TS]

  over i have to you know I'm that type in [TS]

  my unlock password over and over and [TS]

  over again and so I thought maybe this [TS]

  will you know get me where my watch [TS]

  again and you know but save me from [TS]

  typing password minds but even before I [TS]

  heard your story I was like come on this [TS]

  is based on the same texts handoff which [TS]

  never works and it can't possibly be [TS]

  fast and i'll just be sitting there in [TS]

  front of my computer like the same way [TS]

  when you're yelling things too serious [TS]

  not understanding you it's like a [TS]

  certain point it would have been faster [TS]

  if you just typed and typing always [TS]

  works so i will just continue to type my [TS]

  password that work makes me change on a [TS]

  ridiculous interval and I can't use any [TS]

  of the last hundred passwords i used to [TS]

  be different than last password and 17 [TS]

  million different ways that's not the [TS]

  bright side we can upgrade to see [TS]

  artwork because everything we use is now [TS]

  upgrade to work with it including the [TS]

  terrible antivirus software that we run [TS]

  so yay for work what antivirus be [TS]

  running symantec antivirus and symantec [TS]

  antivirus / kernel panic causing we're [TS]

  using sophos sofas I don't know how you [TS]

  pronounce it but is 0 pH OS I don't know [TS]

  if that's the problem [TS]

  coworker it operated to see are either [TS]

  before the idea part IT department [TS]

  warning or perhaps in spite of the IT [TS]

  department morning and he was telling me [TS]

  that are god-awful VPN which is [TS]

  checkpoint security TN that the VPN [TS]

  software by the way [TS]

  hey guess what includes a firewall that [TS]

  hey guess what prevents outgoing lttp [TS]

  are outgoing VPN connections outgoing [TS]

  connections not in coming out going [TS]

  connections not that I'm bitter prevents [TS]

  air drop from working which by the way I [TS]

  have very rarely had airdrop issue [TS]

  actually very really i've had a [TS]

  comfortable success rate with airdrop [TS]

  but it blocks that as well so anyway so [TS]

  I install our VPN software on command [TS]

  like an animal because it's easier to do [TS]

  that than have half of the things i want [TS]

  to use not work when it is installed [TS]

  anyway not that I'm bitter this software [TS]

  apparently hadn't been updated for [TS]

  Sierra [TS]

  but I this co-worker that did upgrade to [TS]

  Sierra found an installer this is the [TS]

  same sort of thing like with cisco you [TS]

  have to go spelunking into the deep [TS]

  deepest darkest part of the website that [TS]

  of the vendor in order to find an [TS]

  installer dmg but eventually they found [TS]

  one and supposedly it works so I've been [TS]

  debating whether i want to be that guy [TS]

  that doesn't listen to the IT department [TS]

  and just installed anyway so far I [TS]

  haven't but we'll see and the reason I [TS]

  haven't I think that because like Marco [TS]

  said there's nothing that it was going [TS]

  to say impressive but that's nastier [TS]

  than I mean it [TS]

  there's nothing that's that's really [TS]

  pulling me to immediately want to [TS]

  install it compelling that's not [TS]

  necessary compelling is a great word [TS]

  yeah that's not necessarily a bad thing [TS]

  but it's certainly not a great thing [TS]

  either [TS]

  okay first of all let me tell you guys [TS]

  had a deal with your workplaces [TS]

  oh sure go here we go John the people [TS]

  who you work with our animals the [TS]

  correct answer to when somebody leaves [TS]

  the computer unlocked and they shouldn't [TS]

  is not to email things off the computer [TS]

  that is barbaric the correct answer is [TS]

  change your desktop wallpaper to find [TS]

  something funny or shocking and the [TS]

  bunch of windows over if they don't [TS]

  actually see it for a while until the [TS]

  highway known and bam [TS]

  okay Casey just ignore the IT department [TS]

  do what you want you know life is short [TS]

  oh I I didn't realize it was that easy [TS]

  yeah it is that's that's it i mean come [TS]

  on it that's how jobs work right [TS]

  totally i got i'm trying to be a nice [TS]

  guy right now but man i'm putting holes [TS]

  in my tongue anyway so yeah so I was [TS]

  gonna say for upgrading the thing i [TS]

  think makes most people do it in the end [TS]

  is they're not able to do something with [TS]

  your computer that they want to do now [TS]

  the thing they want to do might be [TS]

  frivolous all my friends are using tabs [TS]

  on all the windows and I see them doing [TS]

  it and they're all talking about tabs [TS]

  and I don't have them on my windows [TS]

  because i don't have sierra that [TS]

  includes in your tab when i'm at right [TS]

  that's a frivolous example and more [TS]

  concrete example is everybody's using [TS]

  this new twitter client and I'm going [TS]

  back in time here when there was two [TS]

  other clients everyones using this new [TS]

  client but CR only and I can't use it [TS]

  right if you feel like you're not able [TS]

  to do things with computers in your [TS]

  computer you know you're into computers [TS]

  is one of your hobbies and everyone else [TS]

  you know in the computer [TS]

  you know your little computer circles is [TS]

  doing the school thing and you can't do [TS]

  it because you're operating system tool [TS]

  that I feel like in the end is what [TS]

  makes people in our circle upgrade [TS]

  sometimes right off the bat there's [TS]

  things that and the other one is maybe [TS]

  you could say even if i was the only [TS]

  computer user in the world [TS]

  this one has such nice performance [TS]

  improvements that I want it don't think [TS]

  Sierra has that all these apples not [TS]

  counting and I didn't test it i didn't [TS]

  review at the other a lot of good [TS]

  reviews out there but performance [TS]

  increases are not a big selling point [TS]

  i'm sure it's better and many [TS]

  performance measures in this huge [TS]

  performance appearance performance [TS]

  across the board which is always in the [TS]

  back of my mind is a reason to upgrade [TS]

  like because anyone who writes software [TS]

  for a living knows like what it feels [TS]

  like to to ship a new version of your [TS]

  software that you realize is so much [TS]

  better than the version of your users [TS]

  are out there are using like the old [TS]

  version is a piece of crap like do you [TS]

  realize how much code deleted you don't [TS]

  understand why refactor this didn't [TS]

  happen like how I changed that this code [TS]

  path from being like you know 17 levels [TS]

  deepen in subroutine calls to now just [TS]

  being like to and this is this used to [TS]

  be called every 10 milliseconds and now [TS]

  it's called like once a second and just [TS]

  everything is so much better about it [TS]

  you're disgusted by the idea that anyone [TS]

  could be using it while operating [TS]

  systems like this are filled with that [TS]

  stuff so I i get the warm fuzzies real [TS]

  or not of [TS]

  give me the new version of the software [TS]

  because i know there must be things [TS]

  about this that are just better than [TS]

  they were not only also break crap to [TS]

  see discovery day or whatever but in [TS]

  general i want the new version of the [TS]

  software all I think I'm a little bit [TS]

  weird that in that respect but i think [TS]

  most of the reason people upgrade is [TS]

  everyone doing the thing I can't do the [TS]

  thing and i will get to that point and I [TS]

  think Marco will too but we're both not [TS]

  there yet with Sierra that's where I [TS]

  mean I don't have anything bad to say [TS]

  about it I don't I hope I don't sound [TS]

  too negative it's not that I have [TS]

  anything bad to say but i can't say that [TS]

  i found any features that have really [TS]

  changed the way i use my computer so far [TS]

  the watch unlock is the closest but I'm [TS]

  not relying on it the one thing that i [TS]

  think i really do like and i do miss my [TS]

  work computer like i said is having [TS]

  those like rich texture those rich [TS]

  previews in messages those are really [TS]

  really great and I wish I had that I'm [TS]

  your computer but other than that [TS]

  there's nothing really that's that's [TS]

  knocking my socks off in that that's not [TS]

  necessarily a bad thing I mean it's not [TS]

  a rare for all of the three of us to beg [TS]

  and plead for for Apple to just kind of [TS]

  take a breath and try to improve [TS]

  reliability and I mean seems stable so [TS]

  far my only a few days and now but it [TS]

  seems ok [TS]

  the one thing that i will tell you that [TS]

  i have been scared to do though and [TS]

  doesn't really solve a problem i have [TS]

  any way is this iCloud Drive hey we'll [TS]

  move things to the cloud on your behalf [TS]

  don't worry your pretty little knees [TS]

  we've got you covered [TS]

  this looks like it from everything I've [TS]

  heard this is a dumpster fire like this [TS]

  is no good [TS]

  I should have saved this clip in the [TS]

  traditional now this is my new thing now [TS]

  I look up stuff and all podcasts and [TS]

  make overcast timestamp links so Marco [TS]

  but are never make that site go down [TS]

  please add me anyway merited i was [TS]

  thinkin like we talked about this before [TS]

  and now we're all scared of this feature [TS]

  and everything like when was that turns [TS]

  out it was the wEDC show like as soon as [TS]

  they announced the future that very day [TS]

  we walked back to the hotel and recorded [TS]

  episode it was like no don't like we had [TS]

  we'd never touch this operation weed [TS]

  enemy and seen it in action we just [TS]

  slides promising this feature that like [TS]

  slides promising this feature that like [TS]

  we will take your documents and desktop [TS]

  folder and magically sink them across [TS]

  the hall of your max if you want us to [TS]

  like no don't do that in the people and [TS]

  not turn out ya head right and I'll find [TS]

  the audio clip of saying that an unknown [TS]

  certain terms and a lot of people who [TS]

  have reviewed Sierra have said this [TS]

  feature has all sorts of problems now [TS]

  one category of problems are even when [TS]

  it's working perfectly as far as anyone [TS]

  can tell it does things that the user [TS]

  doesn't expect in ways that scare people [TS]

  like as in where did all my documents go [TS]

  even is working correctly it doesn't [TS]

  something has some strange behaviors [TS]

  were rather than just merging things [TS]

  together as soon as you turn it on or if [TS]

  you turn it back off or whatever very [TS]

  frequently everything on your everything [TS]

  on your desktop is only people notice [TS]

  because people know what's on the [TS]

  desktop or they know like I if your [TS]

  message to stop pressing of icons [TS]

  everywhere if you saw all those [TS]

  disappear [TS]

  it doesn't matter if like the files [TS]

  aren't actually gone you have that [TS]

  moment of panic and you're like huh [TS]

  where'd everything go or if everything [TS]

  disappears from your documents folder [TS]

  you open your documents folder there's [TS]

  nothing in it doesn't matter at that [TS]

  point whether that data is actually gone [TS]

  all that matters is that people briefly [TS]

  think it is and that makes people hate [TS]

  you Apple so don't do that [TS]

  hey no it does do that it has a thing [TS]

  moves your actual files aside and then [TS]

  like uploads them and then pulls them [TS]

  back down from the cloud and tries to [TS]

  like I'm not sure why does that [TS]

  certainly things like Dropbox or Google [TS]

  Drive don't have to do that to function [TS]

  they just likes bad your icons and [TS]

  slowly make them you know this one is [TS]

  successfully uploaded ilysm merge [TS]

  conflict like Dropbox is like the [TS]

  dumbest little possibly work with like [TS]

  renaming your files but at no point does [TS]

  it delete your crap at least I haven't [TS]

  tried the project anything but the [TS]

  regular one doesn't [TS]

  so that's that and then the other aspect [TS]

  are just plain box where it's supposed [TS]

  to do the thing where I moved aside your [TS]

  files and put them up to the cloud and [TS]

  pulls it back down and murders [TS]

  altogether but many people say actually [TS]

  didn't do that and when I tried to turn [TS]

  off the feature my house went away and [TS]

  since they had been successfully [TS]

  uploaded I couldn't get them back and [TS]

  had to restore from a backup or it [TS]

  started trying to sync them but then off [TS]

  some numbers couldn't open my [TS]

  spreadsheet file because of that [TS]

  wonderful area that i was getting four [TS]

  pages where it says can't open file [TS]

  because reasons sorry and you can never [TS]

  open it again [TS]

  and I had to just like turn everything [TS]

  off and do all my files and restore from [TS]

  backup like it is not successfully [TS]

  launched feature every single review [TS]

  every person i've heard who is used it [TS]

  has had some kind of issue now that you [TS]

  maybe there's millions of people using [TS]

  out there was no issues i don't know but [TS]

  there are enough people reporting [TS]

  problems that I absolutely positively [TS]

  cannot recommend that anybody listening [TS]

  to this podcast use that feature even if [TS]

  you only have five files even just just [TS]

  don't use it because not worth it's not [TS]

  worth the risk it's weird it works [TS]

  strangely and apparently it has bugs and [TS]

  there are other solutions that do [TS]

  similar things that are proven to be [TS]

  more reliable dropbox cool drive even [TS]

  plain old regular iCloud Drive maybe but [TS]

  giving your documents folder and your [TS]

  desktop to this places where people [TS]

  store tons of stuff i think is a very [TS]

  bad idea and honestly at this point [TS]

  based on how it launched like i was [TS]

  saying that WC half stark but half like [TS]

  predicting like based on past history [TS]

  this is going to be a disaster but who [TS]

  knows they could have pulled it off you [TS]

  know prove me wrong Apple I probably [TS]

  said at some point in that big grant [TS]

  they have not proved me wrong [TS]

  and given that that's the case i have to [TS]

  now think was Sierra crying out like [TS]

  what was the mac operating system crying [TS]

  out for this feature like they already [TS]

  did I cloud drive which is like hey we [TS]

  can you dropbox to and in general it's [TS]

  not as good as Dropbox but like I feel [TS]

  like they take that check box like a you [TS]

  buy a mac we give you everything you [TS]

  expect from modern computer including a [TS]

  cloud-based drive that sinks that you [TS]

  pay more for most likely give you that [TS]

  they have that I think that I think it's [TS]

  important for them to have that I'm glad [TS]

  they finally going to the head of what [TS]

  they were doing before with the [TS]

  documents in the cloud and everything [TS]

  like this is better [TS]

  they need to also add by the way will [TS]

  transfer only sync your documents and [TS]

  desktop because desktop is a place that [TS]

  people love and people feel comfortable [TS]

  with and safe and you make me feel [TS]

  really unsafe that's terrible betrayal [TS]

  and the documents folder can potentially [TS]

  change contain a huge number of things i [TS]

  should go look here i want to see how [TS]

  many documents i have in my documents [TS]

  folder you want a guess while I were [TS]

  writing for calculating size to finish [TS]

  cheese I mean do you because you carry [TS]

  over between installs right so it's like [TS]

  years and years and years of accumulated [TS]

  documents and stuff [TS]

  I wish it had been carried I was [TS]

  thinking today about all the computers [TS]

  in my ad [TS]

  can have like they probably don't work [TS]

  anymore because the capsule exploded but [TS]

  i was thinking maybe I can salvage from [TS]

  the hard drives because hard drive sizes [TS]

  have gone hockey stick type of curve i [TS]

  always imagined and it's never quite [TS]

  paid offering but I always imagined that [TS]

  I would be able to take every document i [TS]

  had on my five megabyte hard drive and [TS]

  put it on my 32 megabyte hard drive and [TS]

  every document of my 32 megabyte hard [TS]

  drive and put it on my hundred megabyte [TS]

  hard drive it like you know just [TS]

  basically bringing everything along with [TS]

  me forever and ever because I could take [TS]

  all the documents on every single [TS]

  computer in my attic for like the 68 que [TS]

  era and put them on you know at any [TS]

  little folder my CB storage space has [TS]

  gone up so much that there's no reason [TS]

  you can't have everything that happening [TS]

  it hasn't happened that way like I've [TS]

  gone through discontinuities where I [TS]

  upgrade to a bigger computer but don't [TS]

  bring over every single fathers are not [TS]

  relevant anymore like all Mike my [TS]

  confabulating themes and my icon [TS]

  collections for 32 by 32 icons and stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  I kind of those behind i want to go [TS]

  retrieve them because i feel like the [TS]

  total size that is only gonna be like a [TS]

  couple gigs or something it would be [TS]

  great to have all that but in practice I [TS]

  don't have a lot of old stuff and it's [TS]

  kind of a shame [TS]

  anyway my thing just finished I want to [TS]

  guess how many many documents and how [TS]

  many things are files are my documents [TS]

  folder i would guess easily a hundred [TS]

  thousand Margo I'd go a little lower I'd [TS]

  say more like your price-is-rite [TS]

  one-dollar one dollar and I think more [TS]

  like maybe 20,000 my documents folder [TS]

  contains 1 million 890 7950 items gosh [TS]

  this is that one for chrome tab didn't [TS]

  can you imagine pointing like checking [TS]

  that checkbox in this computer and say [TS]

  oh yeah no sure [TS]

  icloud go ahead go ahead with that like [TS]

  this virtual machine that's in there at [TS]

  multiple virtual machine files there's [TS]

  huge numbers of things that my dropbox [TS]

  doesn't contain that i'm not insane like [TS]

  not even having a one terabyte like but [TS]

  the documents folder it is essentially [TS]

  where every and this is include you know [TS]

  movies are mostly on my synology and [TS]

  photos are mostly my photos library so [TS]

  the movies and photos libraries have [TS]

  really pared-down although there is some [TS]

  old crap in there like [TS]

  I movie things I made the kids and [TS]

  everything but documents like that is [TS]

  that is potentially limitless like [TS]

  that's where for most normal people now [TS]

  that you know photos puts everything in [TS]

  your library folder everything documents [TS]

  should contain all of your documents and [TS]

  maybe you don't have 1.2 million up [TS]

  fine whatever but it's enough that i [TS]

  wouldn't say you know go ahead sink this [TS]

  with your reliable singing christmas [TS]

  system all sure we'll be fine so as I [TS]

  was saying before this is a type of [TS]

  feature like did we really need this [TS]

  feature is this a net win for the mac is [TS]

  a platform reputation like it must take [TS]

  a lot of effort to make this feature [TS]

  it's complicated it's hard to do well [TS]

  you spent that time and money and what [TS]

  you got out of it was a thing that makes [TS]

  people not trust you in the same areas [TS]

  that interest you before and it's not [TS]

  making a better product if you could [TS]

  have taken that time and energy and put [TS]

  it towards something else I think it [TS]

  would have been a better use of your [TS]

  time or maybe just dedicated this and [TS]

  say look even though the first one's [TS]

  gonna be crappy we're going to work on [TS]

  it until it gets better which you know [TS]

  examples credit they have been improving [TS]

  the cloud stuff slowly but surely the [TS]

  trajectory is the correct direction [TS]

  slope just isn't particularly high and [TS]

  there are lots of backsliding so no this [TS]

  is not a if i had written as the error [TS]

  review i would spend a long time sort of [TS]

  condemning this feature specifically and [TS]

  everything surrounding have apple can [TS]

  get its act together on this going off [TS]

  into like my usual rants about why is [TS]

  this such a fundamental incompetency for [TS]

  the company and even though improving [TS]

  their why they moving slowly why can't [TS]

  everybody else do this so well relative [TS]

  dapple i don't know all i know is that [TS]

  my worst fear with Sierra was it would [TS]

  be on by default and I would somehow [TS]

  have to like install with like the [TS]

  ethernet cable unplugged to make sure [TS]

  that doesn't even attempt to do anything [TS]

  and just like stop it and apparently [TS]

  it's not on by default and it's got to [TS]

  be really careful not to be fooled by [TS]

  the wording into activating this feature [TS]

  yeah i mean this this thing this kind of [TS]

  thing worries me because you know not [TS]

  you know not only the the reliability [TS]

  issues and you know perception and then [TS]

  reputation of you know if your customers [TS]

  and cut and potential customer data loss [TS]

  but you know if this goes wrong or [TS]

  thinking it went wrong but overall like [TS]

  and I've used this ramp before so I'll [TS]

  be brief [TS]

  it worries me how little the mac is [TS]

  getting attention these days [TS]

  not because it really needs a ton of [TS]

  changes i mean it is a mature platform [TS]

  and I wouldn't say Mac OS is done and [TS]

  needs nothing else and I wouldn't even [TS]

  say that it doesn't need anything big [TS]

  because it could use big improvements [TS]

  things like modernizing the app get [TS]

  framework to be more like you i cater a [TS]

  lot more code sharing their cellular [TS]

  data monitoring and being able to have [TS]

  cellular max and have that like which [TS]

  the the fundamentals of that are all [TS]

  there but bring up there all the apps [TS]

  require a little more you know a little [TS]

  more more working and stuff like that [TS]

  that that stuff exists that can be done [TS]

  like that that can be improved [TS]

  I'm not sure ever will be anymore [TS]

  because when you look at where Apple [TS]

  prioritizes resources it seems like [TS]

  especially in the most recent years [TS]

  there they're prioritizing resources in [TS]

  basically you know where the money comes [TS]

  from and so on iOS gets the most [TS]

  resources and that's probably a smart [TS]

  move like you know if you look at it [TS]

  objectively that's probably smart it [TS]

  does kind of suck those of us on the mac [TS]

  side who we care a lot about this [TS]

  platform though and the Mac doesn't get [TS]

  a lot of attention anymore [TS]

  what I worry about is is not the mac [TS]

  will just kind of stagnate forever but [TS]

  that it will get updates for with new [TS]

  features like this like this weird you [TS]

  know I cloud desktop documents think [TS]

  thing that are actually bad like that [TS]

  that that will get this kind of like [TS]

  drive-by updates that you know it isn't [TS]

  high enough priority to really do this [TS]

  well and knock out of the park and get [TS]

  the resources it needs to to be good but [TS]

  they basically use the mac as kind of [TS]

  like you know you know something to [TS]

  support the marketing messages and [TS]

  everything else is there other services [TS]

  or they kind of like giving lip service [TS]

  updates where they assign a small amount [TS]

  of resources to it occasionally to [TS]

  update something around a new feature [TS]

  but they're not giving it enough to [TS]

  really do it well so it isn't just the [TS]

  mac OS will stagnate it's that if if [TS]

  Apple starts being a little bit careless [TS]

  and cavalier with some of these new [TS]

  features will actually get worse [TS]

  that is what I'm worried about you know [TS]

  if they ignore forever that's also [TS]

  really unfortunate and i would i would [TS]

  not be happy but happy about that either [TS]

  but if they actually start being less [TS]

  careful with updating it that is [TS]

  actually work [TS]

  then not updating it thatthat's admit [TS]

  that's a little concern here I don't [TS]

  think they're making it worse [TS]

  like I think there is like an unforced [TS]

  error like they there's no reason that [TS]

  they had to add this feature and they [TS]

  added it and it's not good and using it [TS]

  makes the experience work but overall [TS]

  the OS is still better like if you just [TS]

  pretend the speaker doesn't exist [TS]

  everything that you were using before is [TS]

  at least the same or presumably more [TS]

  efficient and faster or whatever and [TS]

  they fixed a bunch of bugs and stuff [TS]

  like that and they have ended useful [TS]

  than like the picture-in-picture stop [TS]

  the thing was not technically that [TS]

  impressive but makes a big [TS]

  quality-of-life difference for people [TS]

  who like want to just watch a video [TS]

  this is i mean this is this is exactly [TS]

  what they were doing like identifying [TS]

  what is the thing that people do all the [TS]

  time that we can make it easier at the [TS]

  OS level thing that people do all the [TS]

  time is they have video playing some [TS]

  window i usually a web browser window [TS]

  but web browsers usually for I don't [TS]

  know how people do their minor basically [TS]

  like sheets of paper write that [TS]

  proportion but that's not the right [TS]

  proportion of the video so they take one [TS]

  of the web browser windows and either a [TS]

  resize it or if they can't tolerate [TS]

  doing that because they're like me and [TS]

  don't want the default window size to [TS]

  change their like scrolling hat you know [TS]

  dragon half off the screen so just the [TS]

  video is showing with them is like the [TS]

  ad banner on the top and I try to it you [TS]

  know you're trying to get it so you can [TS]

  just see the video part and not all the [TS]

  stupid ads around in the browser Chrome [TS]

  and have it off to the side but still do [TS]

  the other stuff you're doing your work [TS]

  or if your full screen you can even do [TS]

  that you have to put the video on a [TS]

  second monitor or something [TS]

  picture-in-picture totally solved that [TS]

  something they can do really easily so [TS]

  they can build into one of their bundle [TS]

  the applications that really makes [TS]

  quality of life term same thing with the [TS]

  tab windows which is a lot of people [TS]

  want tabs we can build it into our [TS]

  default controls a bunch of applications [TS]

  get free if you don't want you don't [TS]

  have to have it if you're a developer [TS]

  you don't like it you can opt out of it [TS]

  but it's the same tabcontrol we've been [TS]

  using safari it's the bug code for the [TS]

  most part and people like tabs like [TS]

  those of things they can do on top of [TS]

  make it faster now what I'm looking for [TS]

  this point it's like six texts on tech [TS]

  underpinnings you know improve that [TS]

  stuff make it faster make it more [TS]

  efficient with memory new files in which [TS]

  they did and you know it's just a [TS]

  developer building this one but like all [TS]

  that stuff they're doing that stuff [TS]

  excites me and think makes the product [TS]

  better and features getting big features [TS]

  like desktop and documents think that [TS]

  don't work again i don't think it makes [TS]

  a difference in worse if you don't [TS]

  use them but it's an unforced error no [TS]

  one asked you to do that and now you [TS]

  messed it up and if people do look in [TS]

  that Park they feel bad about you and [TS]

  they feel worse about your operating [TS]

  system so you know on the bright side [TS]

  the new desktop background looks really [TS]

  good [TS]

  so yes haha oh my god i feel like that's [TS]

  the most that's the most compelling new [TS]

  feature of the biggest water people see [TS]

  like when my wife comes home the only [TS]

  reason she will know that upgraded is [TS]

  still be a different picture of [TS]

  mountains of them actually really like [TS]

  the the El Cap background picture like [TS]

  the default one she just kept that that [TS]

  was a really nice background right and [TS]

  it did you know to apples credit i can [TS]

  do this and we upgrade it didn't change [TS]

  it it kept the old one but i like this [TS]

  errand so change this year and I think [TS]

  that's the only thing you'll notice and [TS]

  like what is that funny color icon up in [TS]

  the right i still have not spoken to the [TS]

  computer [TS]

  oh yeah neither have I not use Siri at [TS]

  all but I I suppose I might at some [TS]

  point in the future maybe now I [TS]

  completely agree with you i don't i feel [TS]

  i don't mean to to come across i don't [TS]

  think any of us mean to come across a [TS]

  negative about any of this its I I don't [TS]

  want to speak to you guys necessarily [TS]

  but i'm not- about it it's just know the [TS]

  headlining features are features that [TS]

  fix problems that I don't have I don't [TS]

  feel like I've ever really wanted to [TS]

  speak to my computer to use Siri in that [TS]

  way i don't think i've ever really [TS]

  wanted my stuff mirrored in the cloud [TS]

  transparently a picture-in-picture does [TS]

  sound very appealing to me to be honest [TS]

  i just keep forgetting the thing and [TS]

  Sierra now and and I my message stuff is [TS]

  great the watch unlock it is very good i [TS]

  wish it was a bit faster but it's very [TS]

  good it's very freaking cool and maybe [TS]

  you know in a month or a week or two or [TS]

  something like maybe I'll find that that [TS]

  feature that I say oh my gosh i can't [TS]

  live without it but just only a week or [TS]

  two in so far I haven't found that [TS]

  feature yet [TS]

  speaking of things that he people [TS]

  predict will not work and actually don't [TS]

  work because the predictions are right [TS]

  things [TS]

  alright this is having to watch unlock [TS]

  as well but things that are related to [TS]

  airdrop handoff or related [TS]

  synchronization without wires [TS]

  technologies between iOS devices in the [TS]

  macro always been a little bit weird and [TS]

  have [TS]

  not really gotten less weird and the one [TS]

  that I think of in Sierra is the the [TS]

  clipboard sync between iOS devices and [TS]

  max which totally sounds like an awesome [TS]

  feature but you just know you just know [TS]

  based on past experience like you're [TS]

  excited for the feature then you're like [TS]

  oh but does not actually gonna work [TS]

  reliably you just know it's not going to [TS]

  work reliably and everyone test it says [TS]

  it works most of the time but sometimes [TS]

  it doesn't mean you don't know why I [TS]

  like yep that's exactly how all these [TS]

  features work handoff airdrop universal [TS]

  Flipboard sink [TS]

  although I totally expect to work most [TS]

  of the time but sometimes not work for [TS]

  inexplicable reasons that you can't do [TS]

  anything about and that never change [TS]

  year after year after year and that is [TS]

  the world like jason has great three [TS]

  paragraphs which is like a [TS]

  three-paragraph concise Jason's now [TS]

  style version of the seven pages I would [TS]

  have written with exactly the sentiment [TS]

  tried to tweet a quote from and i'll try [TS]

  to read here is like he's frustrated [TS]

  with the cloud sync feature whatever of [TS]

  the document sizes [TS]

  what's going on I don't know this is a [TS]

  feature without an interface is really [TS]

  no way to debug it sometimes it worked [TS]

  and that's pretty cool and then [TS]

  sometimes it just doesn't work [TS]

  that's frustrating like that's exactly [TS]

  so many apple features recently [TS]

  specifically related to this technology [TS]

  we just know they've been out for years [TS]

  it's just it's gonna be like that and [TS]

  it's not the end of the world like if it [TS]

  doesn't work it's not like you're losing [TS]

  data it's not you know it's not the same [TS]

  as the documents that you know you're [TS]

  also what your clipboard didn't sink or [TS]

  whatever but like why what is stopping [TS]

  this from working reliably almost a [TS]

  hundred percent of the time the first [TS]

  one find the first few years you're [TS]

  working out the kinks or whatever but [TS]

  are we just now resigned to the fact [TS]

  that anything that has to do with like [TS]

  the singing the clipboard i think is [TS]

  especially for small clipboard items [TS]

  even got like a size limit that's as [TS]

  basic as you can get and like look there [TS]

  is there's a wireless feature that we [TS]

  have that uses Bluetooth or Wi-Fi [TS]

  whatever how magic were using to hand [TS]

  off the data from a mac to an iOS device [TS]

  that sitting on your desk is there some [TS]

  technical reason why that can eventually [TS]

  after several years become a reliable [TS]

  enough that we don't talk about you know [TS]

  that it almost never fails [TS]

  apparently the answer is no and I'm like [TS]

  just don't make any more of those [TS]

  features if you can't make [TS]

  the ones you have work if you can't make [TS]

  clipboard sink work forget about any of [TS]

  the fancy ones right and you know [TS]

  everything is like hand off when i was [TS]

  testing out my review it worked pretty [TS]

  reliably but because it's a beta the one [TS]

  time out of a hundred that doesn't work [TS]

  like a lot of beta but three years later [TS]

  like this is a beta like I don't know [TS]

  why it's not working again as Jason said [TS]

  there's no interface is nothing for you [TS]

  to look at the view to debug there's no [TS]

  way you can make it work [TS]

  aside from Michael let me just reboot [TS]

  and cross my fingers or something [TS]

  incredibly frustrating and I feel like [TS]

  that's you know whatever that problem is [TS]

  that is bad for apples image it's bad [TS]

  because we won't use the new features if [TS]

  they don't work and people abandon them [TS]

  I'm it's bad that Apple needs to figure [TS]

  out like why can we not make this work [TS]

  if there's some technical reason don't [TS]

  make any more features like this but [TS]

  there's not figure out what it is that's [TS]

  causing this to continue to be a problem [TS]

  especially it gets worse for things like [TS]

  universal clipboard is like I would [TS]

  totally use that feature i want that [TS]

  feature that would be a future I'd be [TS]

  excited about but it's you know everyone [TS]

  has used in tried it said I was really [TS]

  excited about this feature too but [TS]

  sometimes doesn't work and i just [TS]

  eventually come to not rely on it and it [TS]

  frustrates me when I needed it doesn't [TS]

  work so this is this is the one time [TS]

  where i will say i am an airdrop unicorn [TS]

  it always works for me and I i feel like [TS]

  the what what makes it always worked for [TS]

  me is kind of a few luxury they have [TS]

  being a work-at-home person [TS]

  first of all I have you know my my 1 mac [TS]

  and my one phone and occasionally tips [TS]

  phone that are involved with like a [TS]

  small number of devices [TS]

  I set them all to accept from everyone [TS]

  that is very very important if you don't [TS]

  set at least the receiving one if you [TS]

  don't set the receiving was always my [TS]

  mac to accept from everyone i found it [TS]

  works way less often and obviously there [TS]

  are certain situations where you [TS]

  probably shouldn't have it that way for [TS]

  me airdrop works great and I use it all [TS]

  the time [TS]

  almost always i will use it to send a [TS]

  photo I just took from my phone to my [TS]

  imac because it's faster than I [TS]

  photosinc and maybe maybe it's on it's [TS]

  from a phone that maybe doesn't have [TS]

  icloud photo library so like a developer [TS]

  phones and a screenshot or something [TS]

  like that [TS]

  it's great i use it all the time yeah I [TS]

  wouldn't say I'm a unicorn but I'm a [TS]

  horse [TS]

  who is stuck like a little unicorn thing [TS]

  to his head you know what it like we [TS]

  only got like a horn hat [TS]

  yeah pretty pretty much i die i say that [TS]

  what I mean is it doesn't work all the [TS]

  time for me and Josh when it doesn't [TS]

  work it is so frustrating but it does [TS]

  work pretty darn often for me so I I'm [TS]

  pretty satisfied with their drop i agree [TS]

  with you that I see things appearing and [TS]

  disappearing from my doc all the time [TS]

  from handoff i almost never use it but [TS]

  it seems to be working well enough that [TS]

  things are appearing constantly so i [TS]

  don't really have any complaints about [TS]

  those features i've yet to try the [TS]

  clipboard sink but I've heard a lot of [TS]

  mixed reviews about it but I hope it [TS]

  works because I be another one that'd be [TS]

  great [TS]

  that would compel me to upgrade say my [TS]

  work Mac oh yeah i mean i would i would [TS]

  also like that would be a major feature [TS]

  for me too i'm going to announce that I [TS]

  thought all finally this is great [TS]

  yeah but the reports that I'm here so [TS]

  far not only that doesn't always work [TS]

  but also it's a little bit slow and that [TS]

  I'd like that's the kind of feature [TS]

  where if it if you're going to have that [TS]

  feature it has to be fast and reliable [TS]

  if it's if it's only one or neither of [TS]

  those things that's that's going to make [TS]

  it hard to really get into your workflow [TS]

  didn't somebody say also that doesn't [TS]

  work with at least whatever clipboard [TS]

  history thing they were using like that [TS]

  it wouldn't it wouldn't be added to the [TS]

  history like I i use clip art history [TS]

  all the time and if this feature kills [TS]

  my clip art history that would be a [TS]

  reason for me not to upgrade because I'm [TS]

  the most exciting thing I got my mac [TS]

  recently is that a spot beta for the mac [TS]

  i already had it you know if i've been [TS]

  using various clipboard history things [TS]

  in the mac the 1i that i'd sell on [TS]

  before its jump cut this open source [TS]

  thing which is really ugly and silly but [TS]

  it's very reliable and small and i've [TS]

  been using it i switch to pay spot which [TS]

  is much fancier like I was probably too [TS]

  fancy but i really like it i like that [TS]

  it feels like it's going to be a more [TS]

  supported product in the open source [TS]

  jump-cut and it certainly looks nicer [TS]

  and has some interface niceties but I i [TS]

  need that feature like my use of a Mac [TS]

  it's kind of like window shade used to [TS]

  be all those other things like you come [TS]

  to rely on them at this point a Mac [TS]

  without clip art history we feel broken [TS]

  to make so Sierra breaks my clipboard [TS]

  history like going to be really sad and [TS]

  just be looking for ways to find the [TS]

  secret plist thing that I can set to [TS]

  make it not to clip [TS]

  or universal court stuff well I as far [TS]

  as i know i don't think it actually [TS]

  breaks clipboard history locally i think [TS]

  it just I think the things that are that [TS]

  are remotely brought in from the devices [TS]

  just never actually they don't actually [TS]

  hit your clipboard [TS]

  yeah they don't get don't get pulled [TS]

  until you paste I think this thing like [TS]

  it doesn't go to yeah and actually [TS]

  transferred when you copy or paste it [TS]

  does when you copy rather it's when you [TS]

  paste on the foreign machine that is all [TS]

  I actually want to pull it and maybe [TS]

  that's why it's unreliable because it's [TS]

  not doing it at the time you're initiate [TS]

  has to then go back to the phone and say [TS]

  I'll give me that thing that you said [TS]

  you had for me and it was like what i'm [TS]

  totally doing something different hang [TS]

  on i don't know what the problem is and [TS]

  here's the thing about these types of [TS]

  features like like airdrop or whatever [TS]

  even if your dutiful and you're like I'm [TS]

  gonna file boxes it's impossible to file [TS]

  a bug like this one time it didn't work [TS]

  and I go you know you could send all the [TS]

  system reports you want and give them [TS]

  all the information and try to give them [TS]

  like logs and I was just like I don't [TS]

  know why didn't work [TS]

  like I don't know like it's not it's not [TS]

  reproducible because you tried again and [TS]

  it works fine and you're like what were [TS]

  you doing differently that time I don't [TS]

  know so it's it's the worst kind of bug [TS]

  reports so incredibly frustrating as a [TS]

  developer you're like I can't fix your [TS]

  thing if the people who are developing [TS]

  your clipboard and over like they can't [TS]

  fix my thing if I can't explain to [TS]

  happen to make it how how to make it [TS]

  fail and if it's always a hundred [TS]

  percent succeeds for them and all their [TS]

  automated testing everything like I [TS]

  don't know what to tell them but it's [TS]

  you know people out in the world are [TS]

  having it fail and there's nothing they [TS]

  can do about it and the people who write [TS]

  the software [TS]

  I'm not shows and making do about [TS]

  getting you know ID give me a failing [TS]

  test case give me a reproducible bug's [TS]

  otherwise it's just you saying this bad [TS]

  thing happened once and i have no idea [TS]

  why transponder this week is a glue [TS]

  software go to a glue software com / ATP [TS]

  for an intranet you will actually like [TS]

  anybody that's work in a corporate [TS]

  environment knows how painful internets [TS]

  usually are the content can be stale the [TS]

  interface is usually really hideously [TS]

  ugly and you can access it on actual [TS]

  phones or any kind of modern computing [TS]

  device iPads and things like that [TS]

  igloo is an internet you'll actually [TS]

  like because designed for the users and [TS]

  it's designed with modern technology in [TS]

  mind so igloo gives you the flexibility [TS]

  to get your work done how you want where [TS]

  you want and whatever device you want [TS]

  igloo is truly building a product meant [TS]

  for the modern-day not the nineties [TS]

  share news you can organize your files [TS]

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  editor and igloo makes use of modern web [TS]

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  so it looks fantastic on all your [TS]

  devices from your computer's down to [TS]

  your mobile devices and they really go [TS]

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  features that they possibly can on [TS]

  mobile things like document annotations [TS]

  that a lot of times it's hard to hard to [TS]

  get working on mobile or its its kind of [TS]

  assumed that you know your enterprise [TS]

  offer won't have those features a mobile [TS]

  igloo actually get to work and they get [TS]

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  get started today thank you very much to [TS]

  a glue for sponsoring our show [TS]

  since we've spoken last the iOS 10.1 [TS]

  beta has been released which includes [TS]

  the portrait feature for the seven plus [TS]

  and this portrait feature basically is [TS]

  doing a faux bois okay gosh i watch that [TS]

  video on how to pronounce inquiry for [TS]

  comment is the answer is whatever we say [TS]

  is wrong so continue [TS]

  yeah fair enough so anyway so it does [TS]

  the focus is what we'll talk and call it [TS]

  and and so what it does is it does a [TS]

  background blur behind the person or in [TS]

  some instances object that you're taking [TS]

  a photograph of and so there's a [TS]

  write-up on this from Matthew James reno [TS]

  and then there's been plenty of stuff [TS]

  put out by cindy caldwell Lex Friedman [TS]

  has been posting pictures to Instagram [TS]

  that i'm pretty sure are using this [TS]

  feature although I have not confirmed [TS]

  that with him and I gotta tell you at a [TS]

  glance at a glance they look pretty darn [TS]

  good under inspection even for me and I [TS]

  don't have the most discerning eye [TS]

  some of them look still a good and some [TS]

  of them just look like they're somehow [TS]

  wrong even if I can't put my finger on [TS]

  them [TS]

  I am I probably have the least [TS]

  discerning eye of the three of us and [TS]

  Marco as the person who I think is [TS]

  closest to a a quote-unquote real [TS]

  photographer how how do you feel about [TS]

  this in and what are you thinking about [TS]

  this feature you know my my thinking has [TS]

  evolved as I thought about it more and [TS]

  as I've seen a lot of people's pictures [TS]

  you know it before we can really only [TS]

  see apple's pictures and now that [TS]

  they've released this beta now anybody [TS]

  with plus 7 plus can can make their own [TS]

  and so lots of our friends have it we're [TS]

  seeing in this particular place and [TS]

  ultimately I think they look pretty [TS]

  decent for what they're doing now what [TS]

  they're doing is not replicating an SLR [TS]

  however if you view these photos on a [TS]

  phone and you're doing a casual look [TS]

  like reading through Instagram feed or [TS]

  whatever the kids using these days then [TS]

  they look pretty good [TS]

  and if you compare it to slrs and you [TS]

  know quote real cameras that are that [TS]

  are generating real background blur you [TS]

  know using the [TS]

  actual properties of the optics and and [TS]

  the shape of the aperture blades and [TS]

  everything else like to to really [TS]

  generate the the nice pleasing looking [TS]

  blur and the various shapes of the of [TS]

  the circles and everything if you [TS]

  compare it to that it doesn't it's not [TS]

  even close like that the real optic [TS]

  version of this looks way nicer and [TS]

  doesn't have a few of the artifacts that [TS]

  the fake one does that photographers [TS]

  will notice things like be blurry edges [TS]

  around subjects that the that the [TS]

  fucking mode has but if you if you have [TS]

  your SLR just use your SLR for all the [TS]

  other times for either you don't own an [TS]

  SLR or you do have one but it's not with [TS]

  you [TS]

  it's kind of amazing that a phone can [TS]

  generate pictures that look this good [TS]

  now that being said the regular pictures [TS]

  from both the iphone 7 cameras already [TS]

  look fantastic and the the fake blur [TS]

  effect is literally just like you know [TS]

  it's kind of like Instagram filter it's [TS]

  like you can take very good pictures [TS]

  without it but if you want this kind of [TS]

  look you can fake it with this with this [TS]

  kind of you know if with us kind of [TS]

  software effect it's a really [TS]

  good-looking approximation if you don't [TS]

  look too closely or if you're skimming [TS]

  by its really nice that it's there [TS]

  because it's better than not being [TS]

  available at all [TS]

  however if you really want something to [TS]

  look really good with that look you know [TS]

  a real camera doing it optically will [TS]

  look way better but in in practice in [TS]

  the modern world that doesn't really [TS]

  matter [TS]

  no I think I've gone the other direction [TS]

  from Marco because he's coming around [TS]

  like oh you know it's not as good as it [TS]

  could be but it's better like the more [TS]

  of these pictures I see the more I'm [TS]

  convinced that certainly I would never [TS]

  willingly do this and the morons that [TS]

  nobody else should do this either they [TS]

  look really really bad to me like the [TS]

  only time I thought I can get any value [TS]

  out of them [TS]

  is it is a picture where the background [TS]

  is really busy and would detract from [TS]

  the intended subject matter and in this [TS]

  case the terrible or they apply helps [TS]

  emphasize the part of the picture I'm [TS]

  supposed to be looking at but it always [TS]

  looks terrible [TS]

  like I'm i'm not an expert in [TS]

  photography I don't even know what it is [TS]

  that I'm seeing that's different but it [TS]

  looks wrong and bad and like someone [TS]

  messed up my picture but you know [TS]

  blurring parts of it more one of the [TS]

  questions that people had about this was [TS]

  maybe it's using the other camera taking [TS]

  out of focus picture using that for the [TS]

  background according to Henry knows [TS]

  article or maybe it was a tweet or [TS]

  something that's not the case is [TS]

  computed blur what and that would that [TS]

  would have been awesome because like it [TS]

  really if you think about like and [TS]

  somebody could theoretically make a [TS]

  third-party app that tries to do that [TS]

  although i think i don't have a cropping [TS]

  will work out well the right demographic [TS]

  information is not is not explosion API [TS]

  the moment when what I don't know [TS]

  whatever will be so you know that you [TS]

  have to kind of do that yourself which [TS]

  is not an easy task but you could [TS]

  theoretically like you know have have [TS]

  the the wide lens focus basically right [TS]

  in front of itself so it has the maximum [TS]

  background blur and then have the have [TS]

  the the telephoto lens focused on the [TS]

  subject and kind of combine the do the [TS]

  optically blurred picture from the wide [TS]

  lens with the telephoto lenses regular [TS]

  picture somehow detecting where the [TS]

  edges are you could theoretically do [TS]

  that there would be the don't think they [TS]

  would match with the distortion right [TS]

  there like that they like all the lines [TS]

  but you wouldn't be able to combine them [TS]

  with each other unless you somehow [TS]

  distorted the pictures from the cameras [TS]

  like if it's the lenses are making [TS]

  that's in straight lines like an offense [TS]

  and curved you know that you can do it [TS]

  you know it's math right but it's it's [TS]

  difficult to get them anyway they're not [TS]

  doing that they're doing the depth at [TS]

  nine layers depth information they [TS]

  blurred and like I don't know why it [TS]

  looks bad to me but it would it looks to [TS]

  me like it looks like they blurred stuff [TS]

  in the picture and sometimes easy to [TS]

  know why it looks badly we saw a couple [TS]

  pictures uploaded by friends where their [TS]

  head happened to be next to something [TS]

  was a similar color to the hair and the [TS]

  blur like crept into their head and it's [TS]

  like let's just [TS]

  like obviously not gonna be perfect you [TS]

  can expect the perfect in all conditions [TS]

  but even the ones who was like that [TS]

  looks pretty good [TS]

  something about it looks wrong to me and [TS]

  i would say that if you took a picture [TS]

  with an optical camera of the same thing [TS]

  with the same focus settings [TS]

  I i would also say it looks wrong I'm [TS]

  not even saying it looks wrong because [TS]

  it doesn't look like it would be maybe [TS]

  i'm not even detecting things like oh [TS]

  that was with the real lens it would [TS]

  look different [TS]

  maybe we'll look the same with the real [TS]

  lens but that you would set it up that [TS]

  way i don't know why knows I've had a [TS]

  camera that can reliably do this for a [TS]

  short period of time taking plenty of [TS]

  pictures of blurred backgrounds and I [TS]

  love all the better than everyone else [TS]

  because I've seen that's not to say like [TS]

  Marco said if you like it use it [TS]

  whatever like and I've seen a few of [TS]

  them Instagram and sometimes I think [TS]

  this does help isolate a subject in a [TS]

  way that I find more pleasing is very [TS]

  often if you take a picture with one of [TS]

  these things with like that everything [TS]

  is in focus it makes your pictures look [TS]

  bad because like the background that you [TS]

  don't want people to see is just as [TS]

  prominent thing you want them to see and [TS]

  this helps with that but i'm not a fan [TS]

  of the cell now this is the first the [TS]

  first try [TS]

  there's no reason they can't get better [TS]

  and I don't think they should remove [TS]

  this feature and people liked it more [TS]

  power to him but i personally don't like [TS]

  it well and it's it's never going to [TS]

  look right to people who are who noticed [TS]

  the flaws and and I mean that in AI [TS]

  think you're right in noticing that [TS]

  doesn't look right [TS]

  there's lots of reasons why it doesn't [TS]

  look right the biggest by far is the [TS]

  edges of the in-focus subject where they [TS]

  meet the background blur a real optical [TS]

  version of this the end the the entire [TS]

  subject a sharp right up to that edge [TS]

  and and in this one it looks kind of [TS]

  like yeah he'll make a reference for [TS]

  John you had in the original Star Wars [TS]

  where they had the vaseline under the [TS]

  speeder i doing i do know that part in [TS]

  the new photos look like somebody put [TS]

  vaseline around the edge where the [TS]

  subject meets the blurred area [TS]

  it just it looks like a badly [TS]

  necessarily blurred thing be and the [TS]

  reason why is because the depth map [TS]

  information they just not incredibly [TS]

  granular it's not very precise they have [TS]

  like I think they said something like [TS]

  six slices of death they can I try to [TS]

  identify and is nine but it's not just [TS]

  the slices like I'm looking in prisoners [TS]

  are always got a picture of a little [TS]

  girl and she like wispy hairs coming out [TS]

  it's not the depth map doesn't have [TS]

  enough [TS]

  players is just that it does the depth [TS]

  doesn't detect those hairs like light [TS]

  from a camera will do the correct [TS]

  bouncing off of those things in the [TS]

  hairs will be pin sharp there in the [TS]

  fall to the plan that's focused but [TS]

  because the blur doesn't know the hairs [TS]

  are even there because the blur has to [TS]

  say well the head is close to us and the [TS]

  fence behind it is far away so keep the [TS]

  head and focus and blur the fence but it [TS]

  thinks the boundaries of the head and [TS]

  way before those wispy hair so the wispy [TS]

  hairs melt out into a big smear of [TS]

  someone who would like to use the finger [TS]

  smudge tool in photoshop one and like [TS]

  just it's it's as clear as day that like [TS]

  it shouldn't it shouldn't be like that [TS]

  but I don't even know if that's what i [TS]

  mean i can see that when people say oh [TS]

  you know if I had to pick it out like [TS]

  you know in in a multiple choice and [TS]

  find them that's how i would find them [TS]

  but I don't even think that's the thing [TS]

  that looks wrong to me I think they [TS]

  completely clear totally not you near [TS]

  the in-focus subject like in the clear [TS]

  can be safely blurred doesn't look [TS]

  blurred to me in a way that seems right [TS]

  like it just it just feels like like [TS]

  they're standing in front of a blurry [TS]

  picture of the place where they were and [TS]

  so it's like it like a composite like it [TS]

  took a picture without the person [TS]

  they're applied a blur to it took a [TS]

  picture of a person against the green [TS]

  screen and a composite of them onto it [TS]

  and where they printed out the [TS]

  background picture and put it on a big [TS]

  mural in there standing in front of it I [TS]

  don't know this it's you know it's got [TS]

  it's uncanny valley whatever it is it [TS]

  bugs me when and part of the reason why [TS]

  I mean you're right i mean first of all [TS]

  that whatever custom blur optimization [TS]

  or whatever blur algorithm they're using [TS]

  it doesn't like the blurred areas of the [TS]

  photo but all the education aside the [TS]

  blur areas the photo do not look like [TS]

  the actual optical blur from a camera [TS]

  lens would look of that if you did it's [TS]

  a picture side by side so that that's [TS]

  obviously a big part of what you're [TS]

  seeing Johnny and that's that is a very [TS]

  real problem that i'm not sure they [TS]

  really easily can solve or at least if [TS]

  they did it might be not able to be done [TS]

  in real time on current Hardware [TS]

  whatever it is they that is not being [TS]

  solved well but also I think we're kind [TS]

  of being sold this bill of goods like oh [TS]

  you're going to have this awesome [TS]

  background blur you know with this nice [TS]

  portrait and everything [TS]

  well this is only a 56 millimeter [TS]

  perspective you can get I mean sure you [TS]

  can you can on a full-frame camera you [TS]

  can get [TS]

  decent background blur with like f 1.4 [TS]

  55 ish millimeter lens but if you [TS]

  actually want to get like strong [TS]

  background blur for a portrait you [TS]

  actually a longer lens to really do it [TS]

  well like you need like an 85 or my [TS]

  favorite 135 it is incredibly [TS]

  impractical but the pictures you get [TS]

  from it when when you can actually like [TS]

  stand on the right distance your subject [TS]

  to get them in the frame because a 1 35 [TS]

  millimeter prime is incredibly hard to [TS]

  use for with moving subjects but the [TS]

  ones you get at work from it will be [TS]

  your favorite pictures you've ever taken [TS]

  any way you need me actually a longer [TS]

  lens to get the amount of blur that [TS]

  makes portraits look good most of the [TS]

  time you know I thought that there was a [TS]

  really good take on this and it was my [TS]

  curly who had said it and I believe it [TS]

  was on the this the last episode of [TS]

  upgrades so link that in the show notes [TS]

  and his point was if if I can paraphrase [TS]

  i'm not going to get a DSLR anything [TS]

  like it and I'm certainly not gonna [TS]

  carry one with me and for me this really [TS]

  might this is giving me L way to make [TS]

  these pictures that look so beautiful to [TS]

  my eye but i don't have to carry a big [TS]

  heavy expensive camera i can use the [TS]

  thing that's in my pocket always and yes [TS]

  it may not be perfect but it's a [TS]

  crapload better than what I'm used to [TS]

  and for that i love it and you know what [TS]

  i think of our my shoes I would say the [TS]

  exact same thing [TS]

  this is not enough for me to want to [TS]

  give up my micro four thirds camera and [TS]

  and the couple of ones i have for that [TS]

  but I think for anyone who just wants to [TS]

  take a pretty shot with the camera [TS]

  that's in their pocket whether or not [TS]

  they like you said Marko whether or not [TS]

  they have a DSLR or something you big I [TS]

  think it's a really great feature and [TS]

  and yeah there's a lot that we can [TS]

  nitpick about it haven't picked about it [TS]

  but I still think this is a really great [TS]

  next step toward taking the iphone [TS]

  cameras to the next level and I really [TS]

  applaud apple for it and for beta it [TS]

  seems like it's working really darn well [TS]

  so far [TS]

  yeah and and again like the I think the [TS]

  democratization argument here really [TS]

  can't be overstated like here I mean yes [TS]

  this is a very [TS]

  answer phone for you know bought by [TS]

  privileged people whatever however we [TS]

  are now being apples putting in the [TS]

  hands of all the people who buy this [TS]

  phone a photographic capability that [TS]

  while it is not as good as an SLR and [TS]

  will never be as good as an SLR it kind [TS]

  of gets in the ballpark and especially [TS]

  for you know most photos these days are [TS]

  being seen by people who are scrolling [TS]

  through social media feeds and you might [TS]

  be you might stop on that photo for two [TS]

  seconds [TS]

  like at most you know you so all the [TS]

  fine details that bother people like me [TS]

  and John and people who know how the [TS]

  house photos are supposed to look it [TS]

  most people who are seeing these photos [TS]

  aren't noticing those details and they [TS]

  are just enjoying the photo so this is [TS]

  giving like millions literally millions [TS]

  of people the ability to post [TS]

  better-looking photos to their friends [TS]

  and family on facebook and stuff and it [TS]

  and people who would never have had [TS]

  otherwise bought and carried around an [TS]

  SLR with a really fast prime lens so [TS]

  that that is a pretty cool effect of [TS]

  this even though the pictures annoy [TS]

  people like me and John that is an [TS]

  overall I i think overall this is [TS]

  benefiting the world for this to exist [TS]

  yeah i agree and what I mean Apple will [TS]

  find out because they have the usage did [TS]

  if this is a feature that people are [TS]

  using obviously they liked it adds value [TS]

  to the phone right i personally think [TS]

  that the the dual cameras the ability to [TS]

  non you know to not optical zoom when [TS]

  there's enough light for it to use the [TS]

  optical zoom in on digital zoom is [TS]

  enough light to get a camera i think [TS]

  that will have a larger effect on [TS]

  people's satisfaction with the camera [TS]

  than this but Apple know because this is [TS]

  an opt-in thing it doesn't do it to [TS]

  automatically you have to use it so if [TS]

  they see huge numbers of people moving [TS]

  it and using it is obviously successful [TS]

  whether I like it or not but we'll see [TS]

  I've you know there's other things we [TS]

  have to like watch the non tech people [TS]

  who we know just see casually see like [TS]

  that using that feature do they even [TS]

  know it exists a lot of it could be like [TS]

  they're not using it because it's not [TS]

  obvious in the UI or something that so [TS]

  many people who think they have to swipe [TS]

  the little line of words in the camera [TS]

  UI show them that you can just swipe [TS]

  anywhere and it changes it changes their [TS]

  life that's just an obvious another [TS]

  mystery meat interface from the people [TS]

  who brought you [TS]

  ios7 anyway that that that's what will [TS]

  bear it out and I you know I think [TS]

  potentially could be a big factor in [TS]

  making people more happy with their [TS]

  cameras now they can do things they [TS]

  couldn't do before but I'm not sure [TS]

  people will keep using it because mostly [TS]

  because you can't just leave it on all [TS]

  the time because it will ruin a [TS]

  perfectly good pictures if you leave it [TS]

  on all the time it can only be used in [TS]

  certain environments where you know [TS]

  you're actually going according to leave [TS]

  it at all times just gonna mess up [TS]

  everything so we'll say thanks a lot 23 [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

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  Syracuse [TS]

  alright let's do some titles you know [TS]

  the Museum of Christine apple hardware [TS]

  is not bad maybe the Museum of pristine [TS]

  apple hardware uh I guess my favorite of [TS]

  once you pick like how do you do not [TS]

  have that unlike at front of mine a list [TS]

  of weird things that I do that I collect [TS]

  always a bard where and try to keep it [TS]

  inside because weird thing Jon Lester on [TS]

  my shelf that like don't have the [TS]

  bindings broken that are all in [TS]

  beautiful condition that are displayed [TS]

  out like that like that's the same thing [TS]

  i mean just the list is so long I've [TS]

  lost to pick up some other some of the [TS]

  smaller objects on i.m people were [TS]

  tweeting that stuff about me I was [TS]

  tweeting back with the mall i unlike you [TS]

  tell me like you if you listen to the [TS]

  show like you shouldn't this is not a [TS]

  secret that i do this like that that's [TS]

  why the left unsaid like why do I care [TS]

  that it's christine if it's in the case [TS]

  because it's not going to be in that [TS]

  case but it's gonna come out it's going [TS]

  to join them join the collection like [TS]

  the people that I gotta run before you [TS]

  go how much money here you have your [TS]

  iphone 6 like what do you mean from and [TS]

  that's not leaving the house it's going [TS]

  and this one is also pristine in the [TS]

  back to this case is following the [TS]

  garbage because the other thing is [TS]

  totally destroyed now the phone inside [TS]

  they're beautiful and actually i will [TS]

  say I part of the reason I commit myself [TS]

  to get jet black is that I thought like [TS]

  you know what is the like the the [TS]

  canonical color of this generation and I [TS]

  thought like when I look back in my [TS]

  closet at my at my my row of old iphones [TS]

  and I keep their it's like all wind up [TS]

  like well as if they're on a bookshelf [TS]

  I thought like what do I want to see [TS]

  there once this phone goes there you [TS]

  next year whenever like whenever I [TS]

  retire this phone is probably next fall [TS]

  what what color would look best to [TS]

  represent this generation of phone in my [TS]

  in my little tiny Museum of well-worn [TS]

  apple hardware and I thought jet-black [TS]

  is is the only choice like that that is [TS]

  the that is the phone that will define [TS]

  this generation of phones in my future [TS]

  phone archive make sense yeah I feel [TS]

  like it's something like that you know [TS]

  apples advertising like this is the [TS]

  thing this is the even though that I [TS]

  ever [TS]

  I'd really doubt this will be the most [TS]

  popular model because of all the [TS]

  scratches [TS]

  and behold on like you know other colors [TS]

  that are more exciting and stupid black [TS]

  one again is the one they're pushing is [TS]

  like this is it this is the iphone [TS]

  iphone 7 equals jet black [TS]

  I mean I'm i'm guessing you know I mean [TS]

  keep because there are two new black [TS]

  colors then it's you know it's probably [TS]

  gonna be split between them but people [TS]

  really like the color that's new that [TS]

  year now only out only Apple knows [TS]

  there's a breakdown of these numbers but [TS]

  also like I in my experience I think [TS]

  most people find black boring like I'm [TS]

  amazed that i don't see more black [TS]

  phones and all generations of iphone and [TS]

  iOS devices [TS]

  we're all buying the black ones for [TS]

  whatever weird tech dude reason compels [TS]

  us to buy the black ones regular people [TS]

  are not so excited about black well and [TS]

  honestly if they only released the other [TS]

  black I wouldn't be spending about it [TS]

  either [TS]

  like if they only released the map [TS]

  because i'm kind of tired of just like [TS]

  black key card we're not that tired so [TS]

  the guy with the closet full black [TS]

  shirts [TS]

  actually i just ordered more black [TS]

  shirts today and I said let's say you're [TS]

  tired of it you're not expressing it [TS]

  outwardly your clothing and clothing is [TS]

  different but just like like I i think i [TS]

  think the new matte black one and i said [TS]

  i think it looks a little bit dated [TS]

  honestly and it looks like a little bit [TS]

  too much like a new geek black gadgets [TS]

  like every other get black gadget but [TS]

  the jet black looks so different because [TS]

  you know that new finish that like [TS]

  nothing else has in in the gadget world [TS]

  and and I that I think really elevates [TS]

  it ever every shiny piece of black [TS]

  plastic ever made including the iphone [TS]

  3gs yeah but it doesn't it doesn't look [TS]

  like plastic though it looks it looks [TS]

  more like plastic than metal looks like [TS]

  scratch plastic well maybe a little [TS]

  I don't know ok you get there and say [TS]

  this but i do have a lot of scratches [TS]

  what's interesting about it is the [TS]

  almost all the scratches on mine are in [TS]

  the lower third of the case I wonder why [TS]

  that is gonna learn where year where you [TS]

  rub your phone against things going [TS]

  you're like Marlon where his phone pokes [TS]

  through [TS]

  pants pocket makes the little holes that [TS]

  the most friction intensive area maybe I [TS]

  mean it that mean the pants I'm wearing [TS]

  they still have the the where line in [TS]

  the pocket of the 5s shape just give you [TS]

  some idea had that the age of these [TS]

  pants like yeah I can't date my pants by [TS]

  the pilot which phone shape it has worn [TS]

  into the pocket and i never i still [TS]

  don't fit [TS]

  I mean obviously my first almost six and [TS]

  it's big and I'm not that I'm afraid of [TS]

  ending a lot of kind of amp but I feel a [TS]

  little bit of pressure in my pocket when [TS]

  i put in any of my pockets and so it [TS]

  just doesn't go in my pants pockets only [TS]

  goes my jacket pockets ever [TS]

  I mean I put it in my back pocket when [TS]

  I'm walking around the house knowing [TS]

  that I'm not going to sit down but it's [TS]

  like that's in short-term memory that's [TS]

  in like a little and m1 in the [TS]

  calculator you have a phone in your back [TS]

  pocket don't sit down like that is [TS]

  top-of-the-line soon as the phone goes [TS]

  in my back pocket and it comes right out [TS]

  of my back pocket I never sit down with [TS]

  it in any my pockets they just feel [TS]

  uncomfortable even if it wasn't gonna [TS]

  Bend I wouldn't mind you that busy would [TS]

  feel uncomfortable to me to do that so [TS]

  what what else is in the short-term [TS]

  memory because this is what i get like I [TS]

  don't it's high enough in there that [TS]

  I've never actually done it I've never [TS]

  accidentally sat down with my phone my [TS]

  pants pocket so like as soon as i put in [TS]

  there like whatever you know whatever [TS]

  the highest priority like that that the [TS]

  the registers in my mind like this [TS]

  that's not an l1 caches in a register [TS]

  like you have a phone in your pocket [TS]

  don't sit down but you're such a nerd [TS]

  wow what do you when you bring your [TS]

  phone out in the summer what do you do [TS]

  when you're not wearing a jacket [TS]

  where do you put it from going somewhere [TS]

  in that i'm trying to think about it so [TS]

  i will put it in my shorts pockets are [TS]

  shorts in the summer because the shorts [TS]

  are in jeans and jean shorts right there [TS]

  just laid there loser right and so that [TS]

  and they have big big have bigger [TS]

  pockets and i will do that so we'll go [TS]

  to the store or whatever within my and I [TS]

  will sit down with it because they're [TS]

  only front pockets on my shorts was [TS]

  around with my shorts pocket just not in [TS]

  jeans so I guess it hasn't come up if it [TS]

  did come up i probably what I would do [TS]

  is put on my back pocket and just be [TS]

  walking around and I sat down take it [TS]

  out of my backpack and just hold I don't [TS]

  know how they come up [TS]

  I don't my clothes are very utilitarian [TS]

  I don't wear anything [TS]

  nice enough that i had to worry about [TS]

  this is just scrub shorts in the summer [TS]

  time and all the rest of time jeans and [TS]

  then I have some kind of jacket because [TS]

  i'm always freezing and the air [TS]

  conditioning [TS]

  well I photo goes to my right front [TS]

  pocket even with the six sighs you're [TS]

  able to pull that off you must have [TS]

  loser jeans and I do [TS]

  probably i I've been doing it just fine [TS]

  but i did i do the front left pocket [TS]

  which is the standard pocket for people [TS]

  who are over about the age of 30 right [TS]

  by your phone's been no no no no and I [TS]

  never had that with anyone with mi6 [TS]

  series someone to work i did i notice [TS]

  notice their iphone and I'm like you [TS]

  know your phones but I feel bad telling [TS]

  people this like first is more like you [TS]

  tell you this but is your phone bentwood [TS]

  like I thought like maybe I could [TS]

  already seen but maybe was people been [TS]

  denied that i think it was a six like [TS]

  not been a lot not a big deal but enough [TS]

  that I can spot it mind i'm pretty sure [TS]

  it's not meant i've dropped i was [TS]

  thinking also about the case thing I've [TS]

  dropped this song plenty of times like [TS]

  onto the carpet or onto like a you know [TS]

  wooden floor whatever from reasonable [TS]

  height from like nightstand height or [TS]

  whatever that's why the corners in my [TS]

  case connect up and I'm like does that [TS]

  affect my caseless decision would have [TS]

  broken my screen on any of those Falls [TS]

  it didn't have the leather case would [TS]

  have been to the side of it like [TS]

  christina warren well she did with it [TS]

  huge dent in it because i don't know i'm [TS]

  so paranoid with like so I someone was [TS]

  asking about like oh the self polishing [TS]

  thing I tweeted a picture of my little I [TS]

  think you guys seen my little it's not [TS]

  microfiber but it's like a velvety kind [TS]

  of synthetic cloth [TS]

  yeah edge so I've got a leather case and [TS]

  then I always put it in that pouch [TS]

  around traveling and even though it's in [TS]

  a leather case and in the pouch it still [TS]

  never goes in the same pocket as my keys [TS]

  oh no that mean that's that should be [TS]

  illegal but the same pocket as keys I [TS]

  mean that's no this this is the whole [TS]

  reason why the by the correct pocket if [TS]

  you're over about the age of 30 is the [TS]

  left front pocket because we got because [TS]

  it what happened to a lot of people [TS]

  myself included is you first we first [TS]

  developed our habits before phones were [TS]

  thing you know what we're really in high [TS]

  school and college like we we develop [TS]

  the habits of having your keys and [TS]

  wallet and his most people are [TS]

  right-handed the most sensible place to [TS]

  put those your front right pocket and [TS]

  then when phones came out [TS]

  the only sensible place them to go was [TS]

  still in the front pocket for easy reach [TS]

  if your front pocket person at all but [TS]

  your front right pocket was already [TS]

  taken with your wallet and keys you [TS]

  don't want to scratch up your phone so [TS]

  you put your phone in your front left [TS]

  pocket [TS]

  whoa whoa whoa no you do not put your [TS]

  wallet in your front pocket that is [TS]

  barbaric [TS]

  if you're always too big to fit in your [TS]

  front pocket your wallet is too big in [TS]

  our country boy and I'm putting your [TS]

  beauty you put if you put your wallet in [TS]

  your back pocket that's easier to steal [TS]

  yeah that's why on the rare occasions [TS]

  i'm in a place where i fear for these [TS]

  things Apollo Robbins could be around [TS]

  every corner and he had to just listen [TS]

  to that a that reconcile differences [TS]

  anyway you are right Marco for those who [TS]

  use keys but we are in this new amazing [TS]

  world it was temporary automobiles and [TS]

  so around when i got my BMW i flopped [TS]

  and the phone went from left pocket the [TS]

  right pocket keys went from right pocket [TS]

  the left pocket and that is far and away [TS]

  the better way to do it if you have a [TS]

  car that has keyless entry and keyless [TS]

  start and I kicked my keys out of the [TS]

  right side to one side once the iOS [TS]

  devices started coming and mostly [TS]

  because I didn't trust my email [TS]

  coordinate left-hand successfully [TS]

  extract my phone without dropping a hard [TS]

  surface so totally the keys but I don't [TS]

  know drop the keys whatever he's went to [TS]

  the left and as I'm talking about jacket [TS]

  pocket so those parties I don't put [TS]

  either one of my pants pockets he went [TS]

  to the left phone on the right wall on [TS]

  the right [TS]

  yeah I guess I just developed a very you [TS]

  know agile left hand because that's just [TS]

  where like you know first when I was [TS]

  really young it was like a palm pilot [TS]

  and then eventually it became a phone [TS]

  that was what was in the left pocket and [TS]

  so I've always been a like if I'm using [TS]

  my phone one-handed it's my left hand [TS]

  even though I'm right-handed this like [TS]

  people who don't do this drives like [TS]

  this blows their mind that anybody would [TS]

  do this with their non-dominant hand if [TS]

  you're not dropping it must work I don't [TS]

  drop it that's just a habit i've [TS]

  developed and I here like we will [TS]

  definitely hear from other people who [TS]

  grew up the same way of like everything [TS]

  was in the right pocket and my phone's [TS]

  camera and they just kind of went in the [TS]

  left pocket because that was available [TS]

  and yeah we're going to hear from the [TS]

  people there there there are dozens of [TS]

  us doesn't what is that about lefties [TS]

  about those people just flip everything [TS]