The Accidental Tech Podcast

188: $850 Fidget Cube


00:00:00   all right fine you just go ahead keep [TS]

00:00:03   being smug smug take no pleasure in [TS]

00:00:06   being right all the time using oh haha [TS]

00:00:09   please tell me you could hear my eyes [TS]

00:00:12   rolling we got a few pieces of feedback [TS]

00:00:16   about some phrasing yeah this moment [TS]

00:00:19   we're talking about boys the topic we [TS]

00:00:21   were talking about [TS]

00:00:22   we'll get to later in the fall but in [TS]

00:00:23   fact that yes the touch thing anyway and [TS]

00:00:25   I kept referring to was trying to refer [TS]

00:00:27   to the region on the map that in [TS]

00:00:29   visualizing my head that includes not [TS]

00:00:30   just China didn't we say China [TS]

00:00:32   businesslike yeah it's big it takes a [TS]

00:00:34   lot of room in that region but not the [TS]

00:00:35   only country there [TS]

00:00:36   it also encompasses all the other [TS]

00:00:37   countries that are sort of around china [TS]

00:00:39   and I kept saying the Far East which is [TS]

00:00:41   apparently a very Eurocentric and not [TS]

00:00:44   favored and slightly insulting term [TS]

00:00:45   because it's just you know deciding like [TS]

00:00:47   east of what he stood like where people [TS]

00:00:49   who get the name things are or whatever [TS]

00:00:51   so anyway [TS]

00:00:52   Far East will be excised from my [TS]

00:00:54   vocabulary to the best of my abilities [TS]

00:00:56   and we'll go with many suggestions [TS]

00:00:58   people at East Asia which I mean I guess [TS]

00:01:00   ages the landmass and it's not the [TS]

00:01:02   eastern part of it you can just say Asia [TS]

00:01:04   but i'm going to try not to say Far East [TS]

00:01:06   and if I slip up just tell me again live [TS]

00:01:09   in real-time and Mark awaited have not [TS]

00:01:11   correct with not on the air but there [TS]

00:01:13   you go [TS]

00:01:14   fair enough we need to talk about our [TS]

00:01:16   friendly wager there's some confusion in [TS]

00:01:19   the ranks and i am also confused [TS]

00:01:22   well is it is not time for any money [TS]

00:01:24   change hands will start by saying that [TS]

00:01:25   yes I I would concur [TS]

00:01:27   Luke Brewster call this for attention [TS]

00:01:29   earlier today in the 10.1 beta which was [TS]

00:01:31   released as we record just a few hours [TS]

00:01:32   ago in accessibility in the reducing [TS]

00:01:35   motion section there is now [TS]

00:01:38   autoplay message effects which to John's [TS]

00:01:42   credit at first glance appears to be a [TS]

00:01:45   sub setting which I told him would never [TS]

00:01:48   happen [TS]

00:01:48   and with regard to messages about that [TS]

00:01:52   was so long ago that was like that was [TS]

00:01:53   practically a week ago you don't have to [TS]

00:01:56   be so smug John although I would be if I [TS]

00:01:58   were you [TS]

00:01:58   I'm just saying I get myself until like [TS]

00:02:00   iOS 11 that's called adding padding god [TS]

00:02:07   autoplay message effects is its own [TS]

00:02:08   setting however some have said and [TS]

00:02:12   I don't have a link candy but we'll put [TS]

00:02:13   in the shows some of said that it's not [TS]

00:02:15   quite so simple and that it doesn't [TS]

00:02:20   appear to give you any sort of lasers it [TS]

00:02:23   just messes with some of the simple ones [TS]

00:02:25   like whisper maybe I'd I haven't tried [TS]

00:02:27   this amount on the data so so so i don't [TS]

00:02:30   i don't have this installed and I do it [TS]

00:02:31   for reports from people who have [TS]

00:02:33   installed the marker will report as well [TS]

00:02:34   the reports I've heard so far is that it [TS]

00:02:36   does nothing but the setting appears in [TS]

00:02:38   a setting only appears when your term [TS]

00:02:40   reduce motion on so for those emotions [TS]

00:02:41   off you need to see this setting only [TS]

00:02:43   one of these motions on do you get the [TS]

00:02:45   second setting and then no matter what [TS]

00:02:47   you put that second setting at it [TS]

00:02:48   appears to do nothing [TS]

00:02:49   do you have a experiments that a counter [TS]

00:02:52   contradict this Marco that has been my [TS]

00:02:54   experience exactly where I i just [TS]

00:02:56   installed it you know that an hour ago [TS]

00:02:57   just trying to get it done before the [TS]

00:02:59   show I could try it out and we didn't [TS]

00:03:02   try all the effects but i did try the [TS]

00:03:05   fullscreen lasers and stuff and they [TS]

00:03:08   they will say set with lasers but they [TS]

00:03:10   don't allow you to send them like you [TS]

00:03:11   can't 3d push the the up arrow thing it [TS]

00:03:13   doesn't do anything which i believe is [TS]

00:03:15   the same as whenever you have any reduce [TS]

00:03:16   motion turned on right and yes and and i [TS]

00:03:19   had to send me lasers and as far as you [TS]

00:03:21   know it still says sent with lasers but [TS]

00:03:22   it does not do any of the animation as [TS]

00:03:25   far as I could tell it really appears to [TS]

00:03:26   do nothing so things like not not hooked [TS]

00:03:29   up in interface builder as they say [TS]

00:03:30   basically somebody forgot to like it's [TS]

00:03:32   definitely out for the release like they [TS]

00:03:33   were working on it and didn't finish it [TS]

00:03:35   in time and somebody forgot to come out [TS]

00:03:37   basically [TS]

00:03:37   so anyway then mrs. this is not one of [TS]

00:03:40   the public-facing babies by the way I [TS]

00:03:41   think if you are i'm not sure but if [TS]

00:03:43   you're on the public beta would you get [TS]

00:03:45   this one now there is no public beta yet [TS]

00:03:48   for this version I I think pans arena [TS]

00:03:50   said it was gonna come out on friday but [TS]

00:03:52   i don't know i don't know that that's [TS]

00:03:53   for sure [TS]

00:03:54   I wonder if that will be different but [TS]

00:03:56   anyway um mode that's motion on the [TS]

00:03:58   front of the one-dollar wager from the [TS]

00:04:00   last episode but no no decision yet [TS]

00:04:03   because obviously this is not a shipping [TS]

00:04:05   version that brings it doesn't really [TS]

00:04:06   matter what's in it and be what's in it [TS]

00:04:08   is a switch that does nothing and so on [TS]

00:04:10   the topic on this broader topic we got a [TS]

00:04:12   lot of feedback about it as you would [TS]

00:04:13   imagine the law and the tail under the [TS]

00:04:16   last show I was not telling the feedback [TS]

00:04:18   but I'm pi wasn't either but I mean [TS]

00:04:21   impression wise think we'll all agree [TS]

00:04:22   that there were most of the feedback we [TS]

00:04:26   heard was from people who agreed with me [TS]

00:04:29   that doesn't mean I'm not so fast so [TS]

00:04:31   selecting that but what you don't you [TS]

00:04:33   agree that i'm said most like its modern [TS]

00:04:35   context that sounds I agree with I would [TS]

00:04:37   agree with you with caveats [TS]

00:04:39   I mean certainly more than fifty percent [TS]

00:04:40   of the words agreed with you i agree [TS]

00:04:44   with you by and large I will say that [TS]

00:04:46   early on for the first couple of days it [TS]

00:04:49   seemed like it was pretty darn close [TS]

00:04:54   you were probably in the lead but it was [TS]

00:04:56   closed and then after that initial wave [TS]

00:04:58   of people who listen in the first like [TS]

00:05:00   48 hours then you just ran away with it [TS]

00:05:03   and as also not seeing you're also not [TS]

00:05:05   seeing the feedback was sent directly to [TS]

00:05:07   me [TS]

00:05:07   well why would people tell you that [TS]

00:05:09   you're right that's like a trump claim [TS]

00:05:10   like what I'm hearing from lots of [TS]

00:05:11   people [TS]

00:05:12   yeah email just me because my email [TS]

00:05:15   addresses on the web or they had [TS]

00:05:16   mentioned just mean don't have mentioned [TS]

00:05:18   the show and I got a lot of that I also [TS]

00:05:19   don't see the people who were just [TS]

00:05:20   mentioning you or emailing you so there [TS]

00:05:22   is that still that dark matter but uh I [TS]

00:05:25   the ratios that some people who emailed [TS]

00:05:29   just me [TS]

00:05:30   seems about the same as the public one [TS]

00:05:31   that you know anyway this is not is not [TS]

00:05:33   a is not a democracy the only the only [TS]

00:05:36   role i think that the feedback plays [TS]

00:05:38   aside from you know curiosity and [TS]

00:05:40   audience participation is do is the only [TS]

00:05:44   data points we have to measure the idea [TS]

00:05:46   that there could perhaps for example be [TS]

00:05:49   people out there who use reduce motion [TS]

00:05:52   for a reason that Casey decides is [TS]

00:05:55   legitimate and also want to send is [TS]

00:05:59   right we had several people like that [TS]

00:06:01   right in to say I'm that person I need [TS]

00:06:06   to reduce motion for what I believe is a [TS]

00:06:07   legitimate reason but i want to send [TS]

00:06:09   lasers and the question might have been [TS]

00:06:10   maybe there's nobody like that or maybe [TS]

00:06:12   you know whatever so people chimed in [TS]

00:06:14   with that opinion to at least give a few [TS]

00:06:17   data points of those people out there [TS]

00:06:18   again it doesn't mean anything about [TS]

00:06:20   whether Apple should have another option [TS]

00:06:22   and by the way i suggest that they have [TS]

00:06:24   this option two messages because [TS]

00:06:26   messages has settings to or if it [TS]

00:06:28   doesn't it can have them write because [TS]

00:06:29   you try to add the settings [TS]

00:06:30   inaccessibility software you need [TS]

00:06:32   to add a number of like a little options [TS]

00:06:34   for every single application that wants [TS]

00:06:36   that we like this place for those [TS]

00:06:37   settings and send messages now I feel [TS]

00:06:39   like Apple gets kind of a pass if [TS]

00:06:41   they're gonna put it in the you know [TS]

00:06:43   general section of the accessibility [TS]

00:06:45   section because messages like well that [TS]

00:06:47   really a nap as a part of the OS or [TS]

00:06:49   whatever but this is not a scalable [TS]

00:06:50   solution to you I and my original [TS]

00:06:52   suggestion was the setting of messages [TS]

00:06:54   because if you make an application and [TS]

00:06:56   it has behaviour or whatever that you [TS]

00:06:58   think you should hide it reduce motion [TS]

00:07:00   is on but some of them are borderline [TS]

00:07:02   make the default to hide them because [TS]

00:07:05   that's a safe default but if you feel [TS]

00:07:06   like you're taking away too much or that [TS]

00:07:09   there may be a substantial portion of [TS]

00:07:10   your audience that wants to modify the [TS]

00:07:11   behavior that's the perfect opportunity [TS]

00:07:12   to add setting to your settings to your [TS]

00:07:15   settings for your application that might [TS]

00:07:17   reduce motion i also want to XYZ be able [TS]

00:07:20   to use the rocket launcher or whatever [TS]

00:07:21   so we'll see how this turns out [TS]

00:07:23   yeah it was interesting reading the [TS]

00:07:24   feedback because there were a couple [TS]

00:07:25   people that seem like they genuine had [TS]

00:07:27   an accessibility issue and some of them [TS]

00:07:31   wait in my favorite summon yours [TS]

00:07:33   the thing that struck me so funny was so [TS]

00:07:35   many people who were just passionately [TS]

00:07:37   opposed to the zoom animation oftentimes [TS]

00:07:41   with no element associated they just [TS]

00:07:43   freaking hate it and then somehow think [TS]

00:07:46   that it's okay for that to be off but [TS]

00:07:49   balloons or lasers to be on like they're [TS]

00:07:51   entitled to have the exact perfect study [TS]

00:07:54   automatic liability because there's the [TS]

00:07:55   problem with this this whole angle which [TS]

00:07:57   no one really said in the feedback and [TS]

00:07:58   was hoping someone bring it up but [TS]

00:07:59   didn't that the problem with with your [TS]

00:08:02   stance is that it hinges on someone you [TS]

00:08:07   perhaps in this case being the decider [TS]

00:08:09   about what is it isn't a quote-unquote [TS]

00:08:11   legitimate use of accessibility feature [TS]

00:08:14   once like something you think a [TS]

00:08:15   clear-cut you're like all this [TS]

00:08:16   legitimate military you see the you need [TS]

00:08:18   you don't need but once you have [TS]

00:08:20   anointed yourself the official authority [TS]

00:08:24   on what is it isn't what you consider to [TS]

00:08:26   be a air quotes legitimate accessibility [TS]

00:08:29   issue you are bringing you your bidding [TS]

00:08:32   people and it's like there's a gray area [TS]

00:08:34   in the middle meet you can you can maybe [TS]

00:08:35   we can all agree on end points but [TS]

00:08:36   there's a gray area right so I think [TS]

00:08:38   that's just not a tenable standpoint I [TS]

00:08:40   obviously think that who cares with that [TS]

00:08:43   spectrum is that people want to use the [TS]

00:08:44   feature they want to use the feature and [TS]

00:08:45   totally removing a major features of iOS [TS]

00:08:48   10 is a bad idea but I right listen that [TS]

00:08:49   range you can hear all the stuff again [TS]

00:08:51   the few points that we did that is [TS]

00:08:53   really hammer on that much but a lot of [TS]

00:08:54   people said the feedback is a lot of [TS]

00:08:56   people are very mad that they can't send [TS]

00:08:57   the effects right if you have been some [TS]

00:09:00   fine reduce motion is on for you but you [TS]

00:09:01   can send them to your friends like its [TS]

00:09:03   features totally gone I guess people are [TS]

00:09:05   clear about this [TS]

00:09:05   you can't send somebody lasers forget [TS]

00:09:08   about whether you can see them like so [TS]

00:09:09   you have reduced emotional because you [TS]

00:09:10   can have a motion on your screen not [TS]

00:09:12   being able to send them feels punitive [TS]

00:09:13   right because there's no legit reason [TS]

00:09:15   for that right and you know and whatever [TS]

00:09:18   like this [TS]

00:09:19   yep that's the first version of the [TS]

00:09:20   operating system it was a point-to-point [TS]

00:09:22   one or whatever they could change that [TS]

00:09:24   but that's that's why i feel like you [TS]

00:09:25   know it can't stand the other thing is [TS]

00:09:26   about you can't use small text I mean [TS]

00:09:28   that's not a motion thing at all so [TS]

00:09:30   there are certain things that you can [TS]

00:09:32   make arguments against regardless of [TS]

00:09:33   this debate we're having about whether [TS]

00:09:34   you need this extra setting but anyway [TS]

00:09:37   that's a brief rehash of last thing with [TS]

00:09:39   with well the last episode with [TS]

00:09:41   hopefully less yelling but either way I [TS]

00:09:44   think at this point I think at this [TS]

00:09:45   point we're all just sitting back and [TS]

00:09:47   waiting and I don't feel particularly [TS]

00:09:50   compelled by the feedback that that the [TS]

00:09:54   world is on my side or anything like [TS]

00:09:55   that because like i said it's a [TS]

00:09:58   self-selecting group the people who are [TS]

00:09:59   going to write in are going to be the [TS]

00:10:00   people who are like all worked up like I [TS]

00:10:02   was right so it's not a representative [TS]

00:10:04   sample of anything and i'm assuming most [TS]

00:10:06   of the people listen to our show are [TS]

00:10:07   nerds and nerds are the ones who like to [TS]

00:10:09   have these features and so on and so [TS]

00:10:10   forth so i probably agree with you Casey [TS]

00:10:12   that a lot of the people really are like [TS]

00:10:14   look this is you know I want settings [TS]

00:10:15   for everything and so on so forth and [TS]

00:10:16   understand how that's not going to work [TS]

00:10:17   but in this specific case i think this [TS]

00:10:21   passes muster as as a case where Apple [TS]

00:10:23   will actually a switch and I'm hoping [TS]

00:10:26   these little hints at a potential switch [TS]

00:10:29   that might do something someday mean [TS]

00:10:31   that I'm right and by the way final bid [TS]

00:10:33   on this [TS]

00:10:34   I did file a radar on filed an [TS]

00:10:36   enhancement request because it's not a [TS]

00:10:37   bug there's nothing worse than people [TS]

00:10:38   file who filed bug request list is like [TS]

00:10:41   severe bug or if there's not a bug [TS]

00:10:42   you're asking for an additional feature [TS]

00:10:44   that doesn't exist its enhancement [TS]

00:10:45   request is it there's a choice part [TS]

00:10:46   right there anyway I filed an [TS]

00:10:48   enhancement request asking for the [TS]

00:10:50   specific functionality is closed OOP so [TS]

00:10:54   I didn't feel like I have done my [TS]

00:10:55   official you know good platform citizen [TS]

00:10:58   duty [TS]

00:10:59   and I have done the thing and now I just [TS]

00:11:01   wait can we get like I filed stickers [TS]

00:11:02   made like the I voted for radar people [TS]

00:11:05   should anything to encourage people to [TS]

00:11:07   do it because obviously it's not a it's [TS]

00:11:08   a thankless process most of the time is [TS]

00:11:11   uh is there some way that you could send [TS]

00:11:14   me that radar number so I can follow [TS]

00:11:16   radar this is ignored John's ridiculous [TS]

00:11:17   radar about how he wants to have his [TS]

00:11:19   cake and eat it too [TS]

00:11:20   you can do that to go ahead and wants to [TS]

00:11:21   follow radar it'sit's you can anyone [TS]

00:11:23   could follow right out of there is a [TS]

00:11:24   feedback form an apple site somewhere [TS]

00:11:26   but developer account see that you can [TS]

00:11:28   get whatever you need whatever like free [TS]

00:11:30   developer account without giving Apple [TS]

00:11:32   any money or anything i think if you [TS]

00:11:33   have an apple ID you can get to the [TS]

00:11:34   point where you can follow rate as long [TS]

00:11:38   as that soup is just right John not too [TS]

00:11:41   hot not too cold not too emotionally not [TS]

00:11:43   too little motion just right [TS]

00:11:45   alright so a lot of people in east asia [TS]

00:11:49   have written to tell us about whether or [TS]

00:11:51   not the assistive touch thing versus the [TS]

00:11:54   physical home button is real we get to [TS]

00:11:56   recap we had said that we had heard or [TS]

00:11:58   read some reports that people in east [TS]

00:12:01   asia use the assistive touch feature [TS]

00:12:04   even if they are fully able-bodied [TS]

00:12:06   because of various different reasons but [TS]

00:12:10   the most common one was not wanting to [TS]

00:12:13   damage a a home button that is [TS]

00:12:15   considered to be fragile whether or not [TS]

00:12:17   that's actually true [TS]

00:12:18   we had a lot of people write in and i [TS]

00:12:22   would say the overwhelming majority of [TS]

00:12:24   people that live in east asia or have [TS]

00:12:27   spent significant time in east asia have [TS]

00:12:29   written into say yes this is a thing and [TS]

00:12:31   generally speaking it's either about [TS]

00:12:33   keeping something very expensive in good [TS]

00:12:35   tip top shape or because there is a [TS]

00:12:37   phobia of breaking your home button in [TS]

00:12:40   the same way that Americans seem to be [TS]

00:12:42   convinced that force quitting apps as [TS]

00:12:44   helpful as a little overwhelming [TS]

00:12:46   majority of its I think we didn't get a [TS]

00:12:48   single piece of feedback that that [TS]

00:12:50   contradicted what we set all only buried [TS]

00:12:52   with the only thing that vary with the [TS]

00:12:54   percentages ok like that some people [TS]

00:12:56   said like it'sit's ninety percent I see [TS]

00:12:58   it all the time it's like twenty percent [TS]

00:12:59   but nobody said hey those articles you [TS]

00:13:01   read we're totally not represented not a [TS]

00:13:03   single person so I'm I'm gonna you know [TS]

00:13:05   put a confirmed stamp on this once [TS]

00:13:09   for injured people who report to live [TS]

00:13:11   there who send email and tweets to our [TS]

00:13:13   podcast that article is it's a real [TS]

00:13:17   thing yeah there were some really good [TS]

00:13:19   reasons for it i mean you know that you [TS]

00:13:20   mention case like a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:13:21   times too because you know these devices [TS]

00:13:23   these are expensive devices and [TS]

00:13:25   depending on where you live it could be [TS]

00:13:26   relatively more or less expensive [TS]

00:13:28   compared to like you know typical life [TS]

00:13:30   expenses there and so it really is a [TS]

00:13:33   thing where people want to like protect [TS]

00:13:34   this thing that they've heard wears out [TS]

00:13:37   or that they had an iphone before and it [TS]

00:13:38   did wear out and they had to like get an [TS]

00:13:41   expensive service because you know not [TS]

00:13:43   everyone just want an apple store where [TS]

00:13:44   they are and get a get a replacement for [TS]

00:13:45   free like a lot of times there's more [TS]

00:13:48   involved processes lot of these places [TS]

00:13:50   there are no apple stores nearby and you [TS]

00:13:52   have to like mail it somewhere and that [TS]

00:13:53   might be expensive and very [TS]

00:13:55   time-consuming you know there's there [TS]

00:13:58   were lots of good reasons why basically [TS]

00:13:59   for a lot of people getting an iphone [TS]

00:14:02   with a failed part serviced is a is a [TS]

00:14:05   big you know ordeal or expense or both [TS]

00:14:08   and so there were a number of iphones i [TS]

00:14:13   would say at least the 4 and 4s and [TS]

00:14:15   maybe even five where the home buttons [TS]

00:14:18   did wear out for a lot of people it was [TS]

00:14:20   a widespread problem and so you know [TS]

00:14:23   there-there's basis for this like [TS]

00:14:25   there's a very good reason why people [TS]

00:14:27   have this what i thought was very [TS]

00:14:28   interesting about this feedback also is [TS]

00:14:30   that many people said that turning on [TS]

00:14:34   assistive touch is like the routine [TS]

00:14:37   thing for the phone sales people do as [TS]

00:14:40   they set up your phone with you before [TS]

00:14:41   you even go home with it so you're [TS]

00:14:43   walking out of the cell phone store with [TS]

00:14:45   it already enabled because the person [TS]

00:14:46   they're either did it for you didn't [TS]

00:14:48   even mention it or explain to you why [TS]

00:14:50   you should always use this thing and [TS]

00:14:51   then turn it on for you [TS]

00:14:52   yeah i thought that was fascinating and [TS]

00:14:55   for the people for the people who are [TS]

00:14:56   site of those reasons by the way we had [TS]

00:14:58   variations in the feedback i think we [TS]

00:14:59   had some objections to the idea that it [TS]

00:15:00   was about resale value that it wasn't as [TS]

00:15:02   mercenary is that it's just like they [TS]

00:15:04   don't want a broken things like Marco [TS]

00:15:05   said they don't want a broken thing [TS]

00:15:06   because it's a pain for them to get it [TS]

00:15:08   fixed either it's expensive or did you [TS]

00:15:10   know it's just more of a pain right so [TS]

00:15:12   it wasn't like people like I'm never [TS]

00:15:13   gonna sell my phone but I still do this [TS]

00:15:15   it's really really coming [TS]

00:15:16   to the most of these people like this is [TS]

00:15:18   another example of humans being bad [TS]

00:15:20   addresses risk assessment and and good [TS]

00:15:22   at pattern matching gone awry a little [TS]

00:15:24   bit because if you're never going to [TS]

00:15:26   resell your phone and if you're never [TS]

00:15:28   going to touch the home button doesn't [TS]

00:15:30   matter if it's broke [TS]

00:15:32   you know what I mean like logically [TS]

00:15:34   speaking if you're never gonna use the [TS]

00:15:36   home button and you're never gonna give [TS]

00:15:38   it to anybody uses the home button then [TS]

00:15:40   why you worried about wearing up home [TS]

00:15:41   button because no one's ever going to [TS]

00:15:42   touch the home button use it until it [TS]

00:15:44   breaks and use assistive touch and the [TS]

00:15:46   reason i suggest this for the most part [TS]

00:15:48   is because i think having such a long [TS]

00:15:51   time is a little bit of a burden that's [TS]

00:15:54   my that that's what I would think about [TS]

00:15:55   you because you have this thing that's [TS]

00:15:56   on the screen and you're always moving [TS]

00:15:58   around to get out of the way that is [TS]

00:15:59   always on top now to counter that many [TS]

00:16:01   people wrote in to say actually [TS]

00:16:03   assistive touch is awesome it's an [TS]

00:16:06   advantage [TS]

00:16:07   it's not it's not a burden that I have [TS]

00:16:08   to move out of the way or rather that [TS]

00:16:09   burden is counteracted by the abilities [TS]

00:16:12   that I have with this is a touch that I [TS]

00:16:13   don't have without it i've never even [TS]

00:16:15   heard of these things but apparently [TS]

00:16:16   people love the idea that they can sort [TS]

00:16:19   of use features that would be harder to [TS]

00:16:22   access that they did not assist attached [TS]

00:16:23   because history is always on top and you [TS]

00:16:25   can do all sorts of stuff from it that [TS]

00:16:27   you can sometimes that you can't do it [TS]

00:16:28   all one person is saying that you can [TS]

00:16:29   turn off the shutter sound for the the [TS]

00:16:31   camera that apparently you can't do it [TS]

00:16:32   all without this feature but just having [TS]

00:16:34   quick access to the functions that are [TS]

00:16:36   revealed under it makes it worth having [TS]

00:16:39   on the screen all the time [TS]

00:16:40   well that no apparently it's a lot [TS]

00:16:42   faster once you get good at it [TS]

00:16:44   people were saying just having it right [TS]

00:16:46   where your thumb is rather than having [TS]

00:16:48   to reach and I know people start to roll [TS]

00:16:50   their eyes but I'm being serious [TS]

00:16:51   rather than having to reach down to the [TS]

00:16:53   bottom of the phone to the home button [TS]

00:16:55   having that little white orb just [TS]

00:16:57   hanging out right there is in many cases [TS]

00:17:00   faster and I'm just as we're recording [TS]

00:17:01   looking at the assistive touch setup so [TS]

00:17:04   it's General accessibility or if you're [TS]

00:17:07   John siracusa just random customizations [TS]

00:17:09   you'd like to make assistive touch but [TS]

00:17:12   then you can turn it on you can [TS]

00:17:13   customize the things that are there so [TS]

00:17:14   the the defaults on my phone or [TS]

00:17:16   notification center device whatever that [TS]

00:17:19   means control center home in Serie but [TS]

00:17:21   you can add or remove the number of [TS]

00:17:22   icons i presume I can't yet I [TS]

00:17:25   nikon to change there's all sorts of [TS]

00:17:26   different things you can do including [TS]

00:17:28   take a screenshot for example so it is [TS]

00:17:30   pretty cool [TS]

00:17:31   what's available i still find this to be [TS]

00:17:34   an annoyance for me because i'm lucky [TS]

00:17:37   enough to be able bodied and not have to [TS]

00:17:39   have it but I can see why someone who [TS]

00:17:41   was perhaps used to it or just assumes [TS]

00:17:43   like this is the way it's supposed to be [TS]

00:17:45   I can see how would become inconvenient [TS]

00:17:47   need to have it around the orientation [TS]

00:17:49   lock is the one that kind of turn my [TS]

00:17:50   head I'm like you I wish I missed the [TS]

00:17:52   orientation lock iPads you know like [TS]

00:17:54   Manning orientational even though it's [TS]

00:17:56   just in control center in your you know [TS]

00:17:57   it's not that far away but you know some [TS]

00:17:58   apps you do the double click to get it [TS]

00:18:00   up and anyway it if it was always [TS]

00:18:02   available like if you if you get what [TS]

00:18:04   I'm saying is if you get used to having [TS]

00:18:05   it there it's like it's the cultural [TS]

00:18:07   thing to do because that's what this is [TS]

00:18:08   not a technical thing and this is not [TS]

00:18:10   not even a preference thing one at the [TS]

00:18:12   point where where the person you buy [TS]

00:18:13   your phone from is setting up for you [TS]

00:18:15   but it's a cultural thing at that point [TS]

00:18:17   is no longer anything to do with [TS]

00:18:18   personal preference let alone [TS]

00:18:19   accessibility so fine a cultural thing [TS]

00:18:21   to have this thing on and hopefully [TS]

00:18:24   there are some advantages and there are [TS]

00:18:26   like it'sit's breathing a set of users [TS]

00:18:29   who are good-looking that little puck [TS]

00:18:31   around the screen and who each person [TS]

00:18:33   customize it to do the features that [TS]

00:18:34   they want to have quickly accessible the [TS]

00:18:36   cost is that they're fucking this little [TS]

00:18:38   thing around the screen that's on top [TS]

00:18:39   now i would say to the people who care [TS]

00:18:41   because maybe you don't maybe you're [TS]

00:18:42   happy like this is the way we do it all [TS]

00:18:44   here and this is just how you use it on [TS]

00:18:45   camera today about that's fine but i [TS]

00:18:46   would say try it without assistive touch [TS]

00:18:49   use the home button until it breaks [TS]

00:18:51   once the brakes go back to assistive [TS]

00:18:53   touch if you're not resetting your phone [TS]

00:18:56   I feel like that may give you a glimpse [TS]

00:18:58   at how i can speak over the US but how I [TS]

00:19:02   think most people in the US are using [TS]

00:19:03   iOS and I guess the US side it is maybe [TS]

00:19:08   try assistive touch see what everyone [TS]

00:19:10   else is doing smooching that little puck [TS]

00:19:11   around the screen to get out of the way [TS]

00:19:13   the stuff they're trying to read and see [TS]

00:19:14   if you think it's an advantage maybe you [TS]

00:19:16   get into a habit of leaving it right [TS]

00:19:17   into your thumb I you know whatever [TS]

00:19:18   group you have on your phone that could [TS]

00:19:21   be a good thing but it's hard for me to [TS]

00:19:23   get away from the notion that people are [TS]

00:19:25   badly bad be miss assessing the risk of [TS]

00:19:29   breaking home buttons on the current [TS]

00:19:30   iphones even on the floor i would say [TS]

00:19:32   universally using assistive touch for [TS]

00:19:35   fear of home button breakage is a [TS]

00:19:36   terrible decision [TS]

00:19:38   rationality wise but if you set that [TS]

00:19:42   aside and say whatever let's just [TS]

00:19:44   pretend they're doing this you know [TS]

00:19:45   they're there can be advantages and I [TS]

00:19:49   think it's something that apple will [TS]

00:19:51   have to I mean maybe they already are [TS]

00:19:53   what we talked about last time maybe [TS]

00:19:54   they're looking at business that's why [TS]

00:19:55   they made the home button doesnt move [TS]

00:19:56   but that Apple have to think about if [TS]

00:20:00   they're ever going towards this mythical [TS]

00:20:02   home button that we've discussed where [TS]

00:20:03   like the hopeful iphone screen and you [TS]

00:20:05   just put your fingers on the screen for [TS]

00:20:06   touch ID and the home button is on the [TS]

00:20:08   screen like the the full screen iphone [TS]

00:20:10   that Bobby maybe that's not gonna be [TS]

00:20:12   next year maybe next year is just going [TS]

00:20:13   to bring in the margins on the phone [TS]

00:20:14   right but everyone's been talking about [TS]

00:20:16   for years and years but it was all just [TS]

00:20:18   screaming and the home button was a [TS]

00:20:20   screen there remember in the early days [TS]

00:20:22   the iphone was basically religion [TS]

00:20:23   amongst the the Apple nerds like no [TS]

00:20:26   don't you understand the genius of the [TS]

00:20:28   one physical button and it's true that [TS]

00:20:29   was genius but things evolve yeah we [TS]

00:20:31   also we also something that was the one [TS]

00:20:33   best screen size that we would always [TS]

00:20:34   keep this speak for yourself i'm saying [TS]

00:20:38   that I'm saying the apple into all wrong [TS]

00:20:39   as always include myself but not but yet [TS]

00:20:43   like things have their time in place [TS]

00:20:44   right that the things of all the right [TS]

00:20:47   you think of a good example of that is [TS]

00:20:48   even Apple had to eventually concede to [TS]

00:20:50   the notion of right-click like they [TS]

00:20:51   don't put two buttons on their mice but [TS]

00:20:53   you can right-click on right so things [TS]

00:20:55   do evolve then it's best not to be [TS]

00:20:57   stubborn like Apple is by not putting a [TS]

00:20:58   legit right click button on their mice [TS]

00:21:00   and making me with your other finger [TS]

00:21:01   which is annoying anyway things do [TS]

00:21:04   evolve and it could be that the phones [TS]

00:21:05   eventually evolved to the point where [TS]

00:21:06   they're all screen and they do have off [TS]

00:21:08   the point where off-screen guess what [TS]

00:21:10   entire section of the globe has been [TS]

00:21:11   practicing for years and years using a [TS]

00:21:13   phone entirely touching the screen [TS]

00:21:14   without touching the home button [TS]

00:21:16   yeah and so maybe they can learn [TS]

00:21:17   something from the use of assistive [TS]

00:21:18   touch over there to influence how not to [TS]

00:21:22   screw this up when they finally take [TS]

00:21:23   away the home button entirely and marcos [TS]

00:21:25   ballistic [TS]

00:21:26   I'll be fine i mean the the current the [TS]

00:21:28   one of the seven already is mediocre so [TS]

00:21:30   it's fine [TS]

00:21:31   easing you into it there is a small [TS]

00:21:33   degrees of anger is something we know [TS]

00:21:35   what the headphone jack it's like yeah [TS]

00:21:36   okay now like here's what we're gonna do [TS]

00:21:39   they're going to start leaking to the [TS]

00:21:40   wall street journal and Bloomberg in [TS]

00:21:42   February that the next iPhone is not [TS]

00:21:44   going to have a home button at all and [TS]

00:21:47   it will be all screen and then we'll all [TS]

00:21:49   get mad about it over the summer and [TS]

00:21:51   by the time the fall comes around [TS]

00:21:52   everyone would be like died has no home [TS]

00:21:55   button that's old news yeah I think [TS]

00:21:57   you've got a while to go on that I think [TS]

00:21:58   my my based on nothing [TS]

00:22:01   my impression is that the were not there [TS]

00:22:03   yet for the touch ID like to go to go [TS]

00:22:05   through the screen yeah there was a [TS]

00:22:07   patent about a few years back but it [TS]

00:22:08   that's that's a whole different thing [TS]

00:22:09   for being able to ship a billion is [TS]

00:22:12   using especially since next year's [TS]

00:22:13   iphone is oled right so i think next [TS]

00:22:15   year is all about oled and in the screen [TS]

00:22:17   and getting everything tucked in there i [TS]

00:22:18   think they can't do all that at the same [TS]

00:22:20   time as they figure out some magical [TS]

00:22:21   technology to bury touch ID under it so [TS]

00:22:23   i'm gonna guess based on nothing next [TS]

00:22:26   year's oled but touch ID will not be on [TS]

00:22:28   the screen [TS]

00:22:28   yeah i mean and in all fairness like [TS]

00:22:30   pretty much every other manufacturer has [TS]

00:22:32   figure out how to put sensors on the [TS]

00:22:34   back of the phone and I I always assume [TS]

00:22:36   that would be bad and weird but for [TS]

00:22:38   people who actually use them they seem [TS]

00:22:39   to be okay with it so maybe that could [TS]

00:22:41   be another solution the whole back of [TS]

00:22:42   the phone speed camera not touch sensor [TS]

00:22:44   right now the whole back of the phone is [TS]

00:22:47   a fingerprint what he called like the [TS]

00:22:49   things of the police station they take [TS]

00:22:50   your fingerprints [TS]

00:22:51   exactly that's why you can affect it is [TS]

00:22:53   already covered in fingerprints model [TS]

00:22:54   using touch ID ID you want to meet your [TS]

00:22:57   finger there tho unlock automatically [TS]

00:22:58   just from the leftover finger greece in [TS]

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00:24:04   moving on Scott O'Reilly who is creator [TS]

00:24:09   of the dash prior sponsor the show he [TS]

00:24:12   made a discovery few days back he was I [TS]

00:24:16   guess listening to regular headphones [TS]

00:24:18   with the Lightning to headphone adapter [TS]

00:24:20   and had pause his headphones on board [TS]

00:24:23   policies i should say pause the phone [TS]

00:24:25   and whatever was playing he came back [TS]

00:24:27   after five minutes and he couldn't use [TS]

00:24:30   the little bulbus strongly thing on his [TS]

00:24:33   headphones in order to restart audio so [TS]

00:24:37   you don't get into this little bit now [TS]

00:24:38   eventually made a truly wonderful [TS]

00:24:40   demonstration video which will link in [TS]

00:24:42   the show notes where he left a recording [TS]

00:24:46   for you know sum total of like six or [TS]

00:24:47   seven minutes but basically played a [TS]

00:24:49   little bit i believe our show paused it [TS]

00:24:51   by way of the headphones and then let it [TS]

00:24:54   sit for five minutes came back and sure [TS]

00:24:56   enough when he tried via the headphones [TS]

00:24:58   on pause it it didn't work and so this [TS]

00:25:01   was quite a brouhaha because when a new [TS]

00:25:05   phone comes out that's what everyone [TS]

00:25:06   goes looking for and somewhere although [TS]

00:25:09   i don't have a link handy at the moment [TS]

00:25:10   and we'll put something in the show [TS]

00:25:11   notes will find it later [TS]

00:25:12   apparently apple is said to someone [TS]

00:25:13   someway somehow that yeah this is a bug [TS]

00:25:16   we're going to fix it [TS]

00:25:17   yeah and any TP tipster said earlier in [TS]

00:25:19   the check whatever it's worth that we [TS]

00:25:21   should probably expect a 1002 update [TS]

00:25:23   roughly in a week or two but here i [TS]

00:25:26   think it next week that will fix that [TS]

00:25:29   bug along with the the microphone [TS]

00:25:32   cutting out bug that has hit both me and [TS]

00:25:34   tiff during phone calls and a bunch of [TS]

00:25:36   other little bugs so hopefully this will [TS]

00:25:38   be fixed quickly it's good to get that [TS]

00:25:40   feedback too because especially with the [TS]

00:25:41   lighting headphones over like we don't [TS]

00:25:43   know what the rules are this new right [TS]

00:25:45   by this headphone port lyst future like [TS]

00:25:47   is this like is to say people like this [TS]

00:25:49   a battery or is this a feature that [TS]

00:25:51   supposed to be there was like it was so [TS]

00:25:53   nice to hear very quickly from Apple [TS]

00:25:55   sources through whatever means they have [TS]

00:25:56   like no it's just it's not supposed to [TS]

00:25:58   work that way they'll fix it hopefully [TS]

00:25:59   they will actually fix it because of [TS]

00:26:01   this ends up being like I will try to [TS]

00:26:02   fix it again every point releasing it [TS]

00:26:04   keeps being wonky that's going to be bad [TS]

00:26:06   but anyway it's not if they're not [TS]

00:26:09   supposed to work like this it's not a a [TS]

00:26:11   feature that's like well now you can [TS]

00:26:12   have the headphone port I'm sorry pause [TS]

00:26:14   too long it's gone [TS]

00:26:15   I love the idea of ATP tipster as like a [TS]

00:26:17   PR outlet for apple [TS]

00:26:20   well to be fair the ATP tips are just [TS]

00:26:24   provided us a link to 95 Mac where it's [TS]

00:26:27   where the headline examples of fixes [TS]

00:26:29   coming for lightning headphones bug that [TS]

00:26:31   causes playback controls to stop working [TS]

00:26:33   apparently they made the statement [TS]

00:26:34   originally though to business insider [TS]

00:26:36   and something tells me I will [TS]

00:26:38   yes as much as it pains me feels like [TS]

00:26:39   that there's any other site they talked [TS]

00:26:42   to at least they talked to my mordow XXX [TS]

00:26:44   than anybody else and everyone else [TS]

00:26:47   report on the business insider article [TS]

00:26:48   hate when that happens that's the worst [TS]

00:26:51   alright alright moving on but that was a [TS]

00:26:54   very interesting fine by Scott O'Reilly [TS]

00:26:56   and I was i I was really pleased to see [TS]

00:26:58   a demo video the end it wasn't [TS]

00:27:00   sensational it wasn't look at me talking [TS]

00:27:02   for 20 minutes about how awful this is [TS]

00:27:04   it was just very plain as day i'm going [TS]

00:27:06   to show you what happens make of it what [TS]

00:27:08   you will [TS]

00:27:08   so well done Skylanders very failure to [TS]

00:27:10   communicate and tweets though because [TS]

00:27:12   that was the problem like over here [TS]

00:27:13   originally tweeted yeah you were like I [TS]

00:27:15   tried to do that doesn't happen for me [TS]

00:27:16   it was like it was reading comprehension [TS]

00:27:18   and and difficulty of finding a thought [TS]

00:27:22   in 240 characters or whatever it is with [TS]

00:27:24   the new limit rules because it was like [TS]

00:27:25   it doesn't happen to me and like what [TS]

00:27:27   are you playing the song and then it [TS]

00:27:29   cuts out after five minutes or you like [TS]

00:27:31   people didn't understand what's going on [TS]

00:27:32   a video is just the most straightforward [TS]

00:27:34   way to say this is what I'm doing look [TS]

00:27:36   here it is and then then everyone [TS]

00:27:38   finally understood what he was talking [TS]

00:27:40   about and then everyone can see that [TS]

00:27:41   this is a real thing that happens [TS]

00:27:43   yeah I didn't understand either and I [TS]

00:27:45   thought he meant with any sort of [TS]

00:27:46   headphones i tried with my lightning [TS]

00:27:48   ones i got this works great what are you [TS]

00:27:49   talking about then turns out it was the [TS]

00:27:51   adapter that was the problem so fair [TS]

00:27:53   enough [TS]

00:27:53   speaking of this isn't in the show notes [TS]

00:27:55   here but we should probably talk about [TS]

00:27:57   it [TS]

00:27:58   apparently the teardown the teardown has [TS]

00:28:00   been done and there is a [TS]

00:28:02   digital-to-analog converter in the [TS]

00:28:04   Lightning to 3.5 millimeter headphone [TS]

00:28:07   adapter [TS]

00:28:08   yep it's basically exactly what we [TS]

00:28:09   speculated last time which was yes [TS]

00:28:12   there's probably a little tiny a camp in [TS]

00:28:14   the headphone adapter because that's [TS]

00:28:15   just easier and they're really cheap and [TS]

00:28:17   it's probably at the at the Lightning [TS]

00:28:20   end of the cable and sure enough the [TS]

00:28:22   editor and verifies all that is exactly [TS]

00:28:24   the case [TS]

00:28:24   nothing really exciting here you're [TS]

00:28:26   still confused about this last show i [TS]

00:28:27   was talking [TS]

00:28:29   specifically about the lighting [TS]

00:28:30   earphones obviously it's enlightening [TS]

00:28:31   and on on the adapter but just the plan [TS]

00:28:34   all your phones that don't have an [TS]

00:28:35   adapter the ones that come in the box [TS]

00:28:36   that's the you know strangely funny part [TS]

00:28:39   is that you know that the promise [TS]

00:28:41   digital audio is that the digital signal [TS]

00:28:42   will get a couple of millimeters out of [TS]

00:28:43   your phone you already getting but [TS]

00:28:45   obviously is gonna get converted by the [TS]

00:28:46   adapter but even the headphones looks [TS]

00:28:47   like which makes sense because they're [TS]

00:28:49   gonna use the same little you know [TS]

00:28:51   little lightning connector end the [TS]

00:28:53   headphones the audio turns analog as [TS]

00:28:54   soon as it hits the adapter and then is [TS]

00:28:57   just plain old dirty analog signals [TS]

00:28:59   going over those wires here your pods [TS]

00:29:01   which apparently don't have any little [TS]

00:29:03   dachshund looking at the size of these [TS]

00:29:05   chips it seems like they couldn't fit [TS]

00:29:06   into your pots they want to but then I [TS]

00:29:08   get to when you can just have one why [TS]

00:29:10   improve the quality over the wire to [TS]

00:29:11   those terrible earpods yeah I know it's [TS]

00:29:14   not doesn't make a difference it's just [TS]

00:29:15   you know although from what I understand [TS]

00:29:16   i've read conflicting reviews on this [TS]

00:29:19   from people who have tested out the new [TS]

00:29:20   air pods but most i read a couple of you [TS]

00:29:24   said they sound exactly like it was just [TS]

00:29:26   a wireless version of the wired ones [TS]

00:29:28   that we've had for years we could be [TS]

00:29:29   pretty disappointing because the wired [TS]

00:29:30   one sound terrible but most of the [TS]

00:29:33   reviews have said they sound notice will [TS]

00:29:34   be better so I i'm actually now curious [TS]

00:29:37   about them and I i do i I have my doubts [TS]

00:29:40   whether they will fit me at all whether [TS]

00:29:42   I'll be able to wear them comfortably [TS]

00:29:43   but some people have said that they [TS]

00:29:45   could never comfortably wear the other [TS]

00:29:47   ones but these are not comfortable to [TS]

00:29:49   them so I'm interested [TS]

00:29:51   yeah I bread i've read that as well too [TS]

00:29:52   and i don't i don't understand that [TS]

00:29:55   because every picture like they look the [TS]

00:29:56   same is there something is there a scale [TS]

00:29:58   thing on the picture is a perspective [TS]

00:29:59   thing [TS]

00:30:00   well part of it could be like if if the [TS]

00:30:02   weight of the wire realize you're [TS]

00:30:04   pulling on that yeah like that could [TS]

00:30:06   affect how it fits for you in practice [TS]

00:30:08   but I don't know I i think it's unlikely [TS]

00:30:10   i will end up liking them and me if I [TS]

00:30:12   hate them all just giving the tiff but [TS]

00:30:14   she wears those your part sometimes so [TS]

00:30:16   that that's fine i should probably test [TS]

00:30:19   all the police headphones exist in the [TS]

00:30:20   world anyway for my headphone review but [TS]

00:30:22   yeah basically i'm curious about them [TS]

00:30:24   everyone says they work really well i'm [TS]

00:30:26   pretty happy with my bluetooth [TS]

00:30:27   headphones my little sennheiser [TS]

00:30:28   bluetooth things but you know if worse [TS]

00:30:33   comes to worse like i said i get some to [TS]

00:30:34   review I my one my one reservation [TS]

00:30:38   on-air apology i think every review is [TS]

00:30:40   pointed out so far and many people too [TS]

00:30:42   and as well who are speculating about it [TS]

00:30:44   i do think that it will be annoying to [TS]

00:30:47   not have any kind of meaningful remote [TS]

00:30:49   control ability on the mix-up either [TS]

00:30:51   Siri or play/pause like to not have an [TS]

00:30:54   easy volume control your watch [TS]

00:30:56   but that's still not as fast as reaching [TS]

00:30:58   out like you're hitting a button and [TS]

00:31:00   you're not my watch [TS]

00:31:01   well that's that's the bed you made [TS]

00:31:03   yourself he even with the Apple watch by [TS]

00:31:06   the way on my watch telling the time a [TS]

00:31:08   hundred times a day is way faster than [TS]

00:31:10   having your Apple watch it also does [TS]

00:31:12   need to be charged ever but anyway [TS]

00:31:14   that's that then you may kiss me to buy [TS]

00:31:16   a winder for it and it wasn't for the [TS]

00:31:19   ones i was wearing that's something [TS]

00:31:21   that's the best part is that that's [TS]

00:31:22   really a thing you can get your watch [TS]

00:31:24   case with an automatic winder it's [TS]

00:31:25   totally optional totally barbaric also [TS]

00:31:28   hire man named Jesus to win them for [TS]

00:31:30   that sounds amazing you ask him stuff to [TS]

00:31:32   an attack or non tech or however you [TS]

00:31:35   pronounce this reports on a chip works [TS]

00:31:38   report that says there's three audio [TS]

00:31:39   amps in the phone and so there they say [TS]

00:31:43   this is a non-tech antec however you [TS]

00:31:45   pronounce that one interesting aspect of [TS]

00:31:46   the chip works report is that they [TS]

00:31:48   unexpectedly found a third audio [TS]

00:31:49   amplifier to purchase was expecting to [TS]

00:31:51   find two one for each of the speakers [TS]

00:31:53   that came up with the third the firm [TS]

00:31:55   believes that this is that third amp [TS]

00:31:57   maybe for headphones which in turn would [TS]

00:31:58   mean that Apple significantly revised [TS]

00:32:00   lightning pulley ports but wolf [TS]

00:32:02   significantly revised the Lightning port [TS]

00:32:05   specification for the iphone 7 [TS]

00:32:07   previously Lightning has only carry [TS]

00:32:08   digital audio which doesn't require an [TS]

00:32:10   amp in the phone itself in the initial [TS]

00:32:12   iphone 7 announcement I'd speculated [TS]

00:32:14   that Apple put the deck and amp inside [TS]

00:32:16   there's three point five millimeter [TS]

00:32:17   adapter which we now know is true which [TS]

00:32:19   would be consistent with how things work [TS]

00:32:20   for over the last four years but this [TS]

00:32:21   cast doubt on that area or on that idea [TS]

00:32:24   so now this was written before this [TS]

00:32:26   teardown that we were just speaking of [TS]

00:32:27   so why the third amp then obviously it's [TS]

00:32:32   because it's easier to put that in there [TS]

00:32:35   and then you can make a go no-go on the [TS]

00:32:36   head for important mobile at any time [TS]

00:32:38   that's my guess like this three and the [TS]

00:32:40   three and then and there is three in the [TS]

00:32:42   success right or there would be you know [TS]

00:32:44   there would be one for the head for not [TS]

00:32:45   sorry because there's only one speaker [TS]

00:32:46   but I what you know to me like it's [TS]

00:32:48   therefore the headphone jack that's not [TS]

00:32:50   there [TS]

00:32:50   that's totally yes I mean do you [TS]

00:32:52   remember what was it that was like it [TS]

00:32:54   and ipod touch or something that [TS]

00:32:56   did your heart you saw the missed a call [TS]

00:32:57   for where the thing was supposed to be [TS]

00:32:59   this is just part of hardware [TS]

00:33:00   manufacturer you cover your bets those [TS]

00:33:02   those little chips cost nothing if they [TS]

00:33:04   have the space for it they're gonna put [TS]

00:33:05   it there so they have the option once [TS]

00:33:07   they finalize the spec and all the [TS]

00:33:08   electrical you know the global that's my [TS]

00:33:10   guess [TS]

00:33:11   unless they were just totally wrong miss [TS]

00:33:12   the unified ship almost is used for some [TS]

00:33:14   of the purpose someone an apple hardware [TS]

00:33:15   can tell us but it's totally plausible [TS]

00:33:17   to me that there's a thing they put [TS]

00:33:19   their that didn't happen to use I mean [TS]

00:33:20   it's also possible like the second one [TS]

00:33:22   could be used for the second speaker [TS]

00:33:23   like they might not be running 1am to [TS]

00:33:26   drive two speakers maybe they have one [TS]

00:33:28   in each of them for various you know [TS]

00:33:29   electrical convenience reasons or you [TS]

00:33:31   know better [TS]

00:33:32   cable routing or less powerful i said [TS]

00:33:34   this this three of them right well one [TS]

00:33:37   for each speaker and 140 yeah I guess [TS]

00:33:40   Sam math is hard [TS]

00:33:42   well it could be for the microphone i [TS]

00:33:43   mean you know it the these things are so [TS]

00:33:45   cheap and like anything you're running [TS]

00:33:47   analog audio traces on a circuit board [TS]

00:33:49   in a digital device full of various you [TS]

00:33:51   know interference sources you have to be [TS]

00:33:53   pretty careful where you can run those [TS]

00:33:55   without picking up noise and other [TS]

00:33:57   problems on on the analog signals and [TS]

00:33:59   because these old a camp chips are so [TS]

00:34:01   tiny and so dirt cheap you can basically [TS]

00:34:04   put them wherever you feel like wherever [TS]

00:34:06   it's convenient for the rest of your [TS]

00:34:07   needs so if if it's most convenient to [TS]

00:34:09   have another one for the microphone and [TS]

00:34:12   not use the same one that is used by the [TS]

00:34:14   by the the bottom speaker that they can [TS]

00:34:17   do that it's really no big deal these [TS]

00:34:18   these chips are tiny and and costs [TS]

00:34:20   nothing anyway if everything goes to [TS]

00:34:23   figure out whether the adapters use a [TS]

00:34:25   DAC the best way to do it was dope [TS]

00:34:26   attacks that's what people did although [TS]

00:34:27   i still people have opened them up and [TS]

00:34:30   melt all the plastic and seeing the [TS]

00:34:32   little number on the chips but because [TS]

00:34:34   Apple uses so many custom things are you [TS]

00:34:37   don't know if anyone has track that [TS]

00:34:38   number down said definitively this is a [TS]

00:34:40   damn thing but that's what everyone [TS]

00:34:42   believes it to be and it totally makes [TS]

00:34:44   sense so i would consider this mouse [TS]

00:34:46   that matter settled until somebody says [TS]

00:34:48   wait wait wait that ship actually isn't [TS]

00:34:49   doing what you think it is [TS]

00:34:50   alright so John you are seem to be [TS]

00:34:54   claiming by way of the show notes and [TS]

00:34:55   links to Twitter that you are some i [TS]

00:34:57   clairvoyant would you like to talk about [TS]

00:34:58   this [TS]

00:34:59   no I just thinking about like I think [TS]

00:35:02   about the jet-black phone because I you [TS]

00:35:03   know I'm still I'm still on in the [TS]

00:35:05   deciding mode over there any chat black [TS]

00:35:07   or not [TS]

00:35:07   we're gonna use about a case and anyway [TS]

00:35:09   I gotta say it like i said i gotta see [TS]

00:35:10   it in person and so on so forth but [TS]

00:35:12   people at the face now where people have [TS]

00:35:13   the jet black I phones and our posting [TS]

00:35:15   pictures of their various scratches or [TS]

00:35:17   in the case of christina warren their [TS]

00:35:19   gigantic dense and saying this is what a [TS]

00:35:22   gyp like I was gonna look like a [TS]

00:35:23   fingerprint wise or scratches or [TS]

00:35:25   whatever and I have to decide you know [TS]

00:35:26   whether that's worth it to me and so on [TS]

00:35:28   so forth and it made me think again [TS]

00:35:30   about a topic that I every visited in [TS]

00:35:33   past podcast and I tried to do some [TS]

00:35:36   research I was like is there an episode [TS]

00:35:38   where I talked about this and do my [TS]

00:35:39   research and found out there's like nine [TS]

00:35:41   hundred episodes we're talking about [TS]

00:35:42   that I talked about all the time for [TS]

00:35:45   like cumulatively hours so you know it's [TS]

00:35:48   good that I remember my past as well but [TS]

00:35:49   anyway because I did all the research [TS]

00:35:51   i'm not going to bore you all with it [TS]

00:35:52   now will put a bunch of links in the [TS]

00:35:55   show notes to me talking about the issue [TS]

00:35:58   of electronics and how they whereas you [TS]

00:36:01   use them like how when as they get older [TS]

00:36:03   a little a crappier and you like them [TS]

00:36:05   less or do they sort of developer a [TS]

00:36:07   patina or like become familiar and like [TS]

00:36:10   you you love them more as they age and [TS]

00:36:12   I'm sort of worn in you know that that [TS]

00:36:15   dichotomy has been discussed in many but [TS]

00:36:17   many people on the web and in fact that [TS]

00:36:19   these early episodes of hypocritical we [TS]

00:36:20   talk about it i'm deciding a blog post [TS]

00:36:21   that themselves comes from years earlier [TS]

00:36:23   and i think the last time it came up you [TS]

00:36:26   know in our little circle in a big way [TS]

00:36:29   was with the iphone 5 the original black [TS]

00:36:31   back and the iphone 5 the Blackwood [TS]

00:36:32   scratch off and you see the aluminium [TS]

00:36:34   color and everything that was the the [TS]

00:36:36   you know the jet-black of the day we're [TS]

00:36:38   was complaining about the scratches and [TS]

00:36:40   at that time this is 2012 i tweeted that [TS]

00:36:42   an iphone with three scratches may look [TS]

00:36:44   awful but best case and iphone with [TS]

00:36:46   5,000 scratches will look like the [TS]

00:36:47   Millennium Falcon and that was me trying [TS]

00:36:50   to give my view of like right so wired [TS]

00:36:52   to scratches like oh no my beautiful [TS]

00:36:54   perfect you know iphone 5 is now scratch [TS]

00:36:56   with thousand scratches everyone's the [TS]

00:36:58   morning fog man looks like a hunk of [TS]

00:37:00   junk but it's got it where it counts you [TS]

00:37:01   know like that's it you you love the [TS]

00:37:04   line Falcon because it looks worn and [TS]

00:37:06   lived in and everything so that's what I [TS]

00:37:08   was trying to get at [TS]

00:37:09   I don't know if the jet black iphone [TS]

00:37:10   qualifies for that I don't know if any [TS]

00:37:11   of apples current products do but god I [TS]

00:37:13   talked about it so much on this podcast [TS]

00:37:14   so we'll put links will put links to [TS]

00:37:17   these blog posts some of them by Colvin [TS]

00:37:19   someone who had that original iphone [TS]

00:37:21   that was really worn down look super [TS]

00:37:22   awesome and the links will have time [TS]

00:37:25   stamps on them using marcos cool [TS]

00:37:26   overcast timestamp shopping feature that [TS]

00:37:29   works really well with CBR audio so you [TS]

00:37:34   can jump directly to the timestamp and [TS]

00:37:36   listen to me talk about this for a long [TS]

00:37:37   time and i'll spare you from now at Ryan [TS]

00:37:40   writes into say the Bluetooth stack [TS]

00:37:42   almost certainly doesn't bitstream [TS]

00:37:44   without decoding to PCM first you'd have [TS]

00:37:46   no volume control market you want to [TS]

00:37:48   kind of translate that into regular [TS]

00:37:50   human for me [TS]

00:37:51   sure so last episode we were talking [TS]

00:37:52   about Casey your audio file friends they [TS]

00:37:55   had a concern that in order for audio to [TS]

00:37:57   be transmitted to bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:37:59   it was generally being recompressed as [TS]

00:38:01   and some other kind of lossy format [TS]

00:38:03   depending on on the headphones on the [TS]

00:38:05   phone that you know that could be [TS]

00:38:06   different codecs whether it was the old [TS]

00:38:08   atps pc thing or whether it was [TS]

00:38:11   something more advanced like a apt x or [TS]

00:38:13   AC basically it ate any audio sent to [TS]

00:38:18   bluetooth headphones is being encoded in [TS]

00:38:21   some kind of lossy format in order to [TS]

00:38:23   make that transmission happen in a [TS]

00:38:24   practical way and so one of the options [TS]

00:38:28   that John you'd asked about was what if [TS]

00:38:30   if you have an AAC audio source and you [TS]

00:38:34   have headphones and a phone that can [TS]

00:38:36   transmit over bluetooth in the AAC [TS]

00:38:38   format would there be some kind of [TS]

00:38:40   intelligence there that could just like [TS]

00:38:42   pass it through untouched so it wouldn't [TS]

00:38:44   be decoding it and then re-encoding it [TS]

00:38:46   and you know and possibly occurring [TS]

00:38:48   quality loss there and at ryans pointing [TS]

00:38:51   out here that uh basically if you don't [TS]

00:38:54   decode it and then resend recoded back [TS]

00:38:56   to the headphones if you don't do that [TS]

00:38:57   you generally can't adjust the volume [TS]

00:39:00   and that's typically not entirely true [TS]

00:39:03   there are like it in the way the files [TS]

00:39:07   are represented in the way audio is [TS]

00:39:08   represented in these losses forms it is [TS]

00:39:11   actually possible in many cases [TS]

00:39:13   depending on the format to adjust the [TS]

00:39:15   volume without transcoding it basically [TS]

00:39:18   to actually modified the encoded [TS]

00:39:20   compressed data because a lot of times [TS]

00:39:22   it's represented as like frequency [TS]

00:39:24   volume frequency volume and so you can [TS]

00:39:26   just like drop those volume values now [TS]

00:39:28   it's not it doesn't you can always do it [TS]

00:39:30   depending on the exact encoding but it [TS]

00:39:32   is tech [TS]

00:39:33   really possible to do that in some cases [TS]

00:39:35   however that's a lot of complexity in [TS]

00:39:38   addition to all the other complexity [TS]

00:39:39   involved in passing this bit stream [TS]

00:39:41   through on modified or minimally [TS]

00:39:43   modified without decoding 22 regular [TS]

00:39:45   samples first so basically this isn't [TS]

00:39:47   happening and it's also point out a [TS]

00:39:50   friend of the show Mark Edwards from [TS]

00:39:52   Django software makers of the amazing [TS]

00:39:55   istat menus at which everyone here [TS]

00:39:57   except John uses true stories if he's an [TS]

00:40:01   audio file and one of the good ones and [TS]

00:40:03   and he and I had a Twitter exchange [TS]

00:40:05   earlier basically you know my position [TS]

00:40:08   last episode on whether bluetooth lossy [TS]

00:40:11   codecs matter [TS]

00:40:13   my position is basically bluetooth [TS]

00:40:15   headphones have such mediocre headphone [TS]

00:40:18   drivers like the actual speaker parts of [TS]

00:40:20   the headphones there so mediocre on [TS]

00:40:23   almost everything is out there that the [TS]

00:40:25   idea that like that whatever quality [TS]

00:40:28   loss you might incur bye-bye effectively [TS]

00:40:30   double encoding your music would be [TS]

00:40:32   undetectable compared to the poor [TS]

00:40:34   quality of the headphones themselves [TS]

00:40:35   that you need better quality headphones [TS]

00:40:37   to to really hear that difference and so [TS]

00:40:41   mark took me to task for that [TS]

00:40:43   understandably he's right you know that [TS]

00:40:45   that is kind of a separate issue like [TS]

00:40:48   have bluetooth headphones could get [TS]

00:40:49   better maybe the reason they don't have [TS]

00:40:51   better drivers because when you put [TS]

00:40:52   better drivers including bluetooth [TS]

00:40:54   headphones maybe a soundcraft because [TS]

00:40:56   the double coat so that is totally valid [TS]

00:40:59   counter-argument to what I was saying we [TS]

00:41:00   should definitely consider but thanks to [TS]

00:41:03   mark my words for pointing that out he's [TS]

00:41:04   right it is possible this is audible and [TS]

00:41:07   Mabel Mabel do some experiments some [TS]

00:41:09   experiments and try but the bigger [TS]

00:41:12   problem right now is that bluetooth [TS]

00:41:13   headphones are generally pretty mediocre [TS]

00:41:15   sounding so if this is a problem we [TS]

00:41:17   can't tell one more thing on the bit [TS]

00:41:20   streaming the solution to that if they [TS]

00:41:22   wanted a bit streams you gotta put the [TS]

00:41:24   volume control on the headphones and [TS]

00:41:25   obviously that's not going to work on [TS]

00:41:26   little tiny earpods but if you had big [TS]

00:41:28   honkin headphones you can bitstream to [TS]

00:41:30   them and the deck would be in the [TS]

00:41:32   headphones and the volume control could [TS]

00:41:33   also be there in theory [TS]

00:41:35   not that I think they're gonna do that [TS]

00:41:36   but many bluetooth headphones have [TS]

00:41:38   volume control built in and it's kind of [TS]

00:41:40   like one of the ways that they differ is [TS]

00:41:42   like some of them the when you push the [TS]

00:41:44   volume buttons on the headphone it just [TS]

00:41:46   controls the source devices logical [TS]

00:41:49   volume for that headphone so like it [TS]

00:41:51   basically you have one unified volume [TS]

00:41:53   control if you push the button on the [TS]

00:41:54   headphone it's not like doing that [TS]

00:41:57   reduction in the headphone it send the [TS]

00:41:58   command to the phone saying hey drop [TS]

00:42:00   your volume by one increment or whatever [TS]

00:42:02   so some headphones do that and some [TS]

00:42:04   especially older ones maintain their own [TS]

00:42:06   volume control in addition to the [TS]

00:42:08   phone's volume control which is it [TS]

00:42:10   allows more control but also kind of [TS]

00:42:11   annoying like if the phone is set really [TS]

00:42:13   low and you keep pushing up on the [TS]

00:42:15   headphones [TS]

00:42:15   it's like next out and you can tell why [TS]

00:42:17   it's too quiet so it's kind of annoying [TS]

00:42:19   there but anyway it usually having one [TS]

00:42:23   unified volume control being you know [TS]

00:42:25   the headphone controls are actually [TS]

00:42:27   telling the phone what to do that is [TS]

00:42:29   generally better which would have this [TS]

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00:42:48   me to say that I use it and i love it i [TS]

00:42:50   have everything i have all my stuff now [TS]

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00:42:58   this is in my opinion the best value inn [TS]

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00:43:07   awesome ssds they all use now it's [TS]

00:43:09   incredible what you get a load so they [TS]

00:43:11   have incredibly good prices hourly [TS]

00:43:13   billing with a monthly cap and all plans [TS]

00:43:15   that way like you can pay the hourly [TS]

00:43:17   rate but if you reach the monthly rate [TS]

00:43:19   you just stop there doesn't keep [TS]

00:43:20   counting up at the hourly rate they have [TS]

00:43:22   amazing add-ons things like backups to [TS]

00:43:24   load balancers of the stats program [TS]

00:43:26   called longview they have amazing stuff [TS]

00:43:28   at linode their control panel is really [TS]

00:43:30   nice and easy to use it's just a joy to [TS]

00:43:32   be hosted their it's so easy to get full [TS]

00:43:35   root access on these servers so you have [TS]

00:43:37   full control of whatever applications [TS]

00:43:38   you need to run you can run vm you can [TS]

00:43:41   run containers you can run whatever you [TS]

00:43:42   want on leno that can run on linux [TS]

00:43:44   server you can run a private server that [TS]

00:43:46   there are so many options you can do [TS]

00:43:47   here [TS]

00:43:48   linode now offers two gigs of ram and [TS]

00:43:50   that ten dollar a month plan they [TS]

00:43:52   recently upgraded that it's an [TS]

00:43:53   incredible deal 2 gigs of ram for 10 [TS]

00:43:56   bucks a month you can [TS]

00:43:57   a lot with that now go to linda.com / [TS]

00:44:01   ATP to see for yourself you get a ten [TS]

00:44:03   dollar credit by using promo code [TS]

00:44:05   accidental podcast 10 once again go to [TS]

00:44:08   linda.com /a TP for my favorite web host [TS]

00:44:11   ten-dollar credit using promo code [TS]

00:44:12   accidental podcast 10 thank you very [TS]

00:44:14   much noise for sponsoring our show so we [TS]

00:44:20   should talk about what phones we have in [TS]

00:44:23   the process by which we retrieve them [TS]

00:44:25   and since i got so angry John last [TS]

00:44:28   episode about his preposterous claim [TS]

00:44:30   that accessibility is also his personal [TS]

00:44:32   private stereo said if you're not my [TS]

00:44:35   claim you would tell me again that I [TS]

00:44:40   think the default should be different [TS]

00:44:41   because you seem to be stuck on that one [TS]

00:44:43   for a while do to help just I'm just [TS]

00:44:45   pokin so I think this is the time when [TS]

00:44:49   Mark when I get angry at each other but [TS]

00:44:51   we need to meander to that what did you [TS]

00:44:54   end up getting Marco and and why were [TS]

00:44:57   you on the news exactly [TS]

00:44:58   ok so i was on my of what we went to go [TS]

00:45:02   we have been in-store pickup to get tips [TS]

00:45:04   phone as i mentioned last week I had [TS]

00:45:07   some order trouble and then some [TS]

00:45:08   waffling and then some more trouble with [TS]

00:45:10   the waffling order and so basically i [TS]

00:45:12   was unable to make an online order for [TS]

00:45:16   what ended up ordering which was a [TS]

00:45:17   jet-black regular size seven anyway we [TS]

00:45:19   so we went to pick up tips on day one [TS]

00:45:21   mine was gonna be ready on day one was [TS]

00:45:22   gonna be like you know mid-october or [TS]

00:45:24   something and have it just so happened [TS]

00:45:26   that while we were waiting on line a [TS]

00:45:27   local news anchor wanted to do a segment [TS]

00:45:30   on the incredibly long lines at apple [TS]

00:45:32   stores meanwhile the line wasn't long at [TS]

00:45:33   all but that's beside the point [TS]

00:45:34   obviously the news they're gonna do [TS]

00:45:36   whatever they want anyway to pick up the [TS]

00:45:37   truth so the news anchor just ask the [TS]

00:45:39   people who were right in front of her [TS]

00:45:41   which happened to be me and another guy [TS]

00:45:42   she's asked us like he would be willing [TS]

00:45:44   to go on camera live for the local news [TS]

00:45:46   and tell you know why we're reading [TS]

00:45:48   online what our favorite features the [TS]

00:45:49   new iphone are and whatever else and we [TS]

00:45:52   said sure and there you know there are [TS]

00:45:53   no questions asked besides that you did [TS]

00:45:55   she didn't ask what you're going to say [TS]

00:45:56   well she did but tonight i lied i said i [TS]

00:45:58   was talking about the camera how great [TS]

00:46:00   was the better she wanted to restore [TS]

00:46:03   your story changes should NASA we're [TS]

00:46:06   gonna say well she did ask me [TS]

00:46:08   yes but she kind of prompted us with [TS]

00:46:10   like what she wanted us to save you know [TS]

00:46:12   in in the journalist standard of like [TS]

00:46:14   implying like here's what you use I want [TS]

00:46:15   to hear so and she didn't ask who we [TS]

00:46:17   were anything she didn't know that I was [TS]

00:46:19   like an apple person in some capacity [TS]

00:46:20   like she had no idea didn't matter they [TS]

00:46:23   didn't come up so fine so that turns the [TS]

00:46:25   camera on and I give the more sarcastic [TS]

00:46:29   answer then I think everybody was [TS]

00:46:31   expecting and it was fun [TS]

00:46:33   so we can pick up this phone it was fun [TS]

00:46:35   it's fine [TS]

00:46:36   get back whatever so I in the middle and [TS]

00:46:38   bottom so what did tiff end up with [TS]

00:46:40   which model regular-sized gold [TS]

00:46:43   meanwhile here i am I when I went to the [TS]

00:46:45   store i was able to finally see and pick [TS]

00:46:48   up and and feel both of the black models [TS]

00:46:51   and I decided right then [TS]

00:46:52   oh my god I have to have the jet black [TS]

00:46:54   because it it the way it feels it is so [TS]

00:46:58   like if like me you have been out there [TS]

00:47:02   unhappy with the 6 and 6s because they [TS]

00:47:05   are slippery and they're hard to hold [TS]

00:47:06   without a case you want the jet black [TS]

00:47:09   iphone 7 because it feels like the the [TS]

00:47:13   back of it feels even more grippy than [TS]

00:47:17   the screen like if you put your hand on [TS]

00:47:19   glass and you feel the glass screen that [TS]

00:47:21   that is a grittier like your hand like [TS]

00:47:23   sticks to it better than it does to the [TS]

00:47:25   to the slippery aluminum back of the [TS]

00:47:26   phone on the jet black the opposite the [TS]

00:47:28   jet black the phone is even creepier [TS]

00:47:29   than the screen it is so it feels about [TS]

00:47:33   his groupie as like the old plastic [TS]

00:47:34   phones did or the or the iphone 5 [TS]

00:47:36   ceiling of the only kind of newest one [TS]

00:47:39   you know very very grippy very easy to [TS]

00:47:41   hold the fact that it looks really cool [TS]

00:47:43   at you know in from most angles and in [TS]

00:47:45   most conditions that to me is secondary [TS]

00:47:48   I don't care how the back of the phone [TS]

00:47:50   looks really i mean i've lived with with [TS]

00:47:52   an ugly back phone for the last two [TS]

00:47:54   years i think the six incidents because [TS]

00:47:55   i'm mateus from the back you know and [TS]

00:47:57   and for the success i ended up using one [TS]

00:47:58   of these debrand vinyl skins for the [TS]

00:48:00   second half of my ownership of it to [TS]

00:48:02   cover up half the back just to give it a [TS]

00:48:03   little more grip the jet black 7 is even [TS]

00:48:07   creepier than that d-brane vinyl skin [TS]

00:48:09   was like it's so nice and grippy so I [TS]

00:48:11   immediately thought I don't care how [TS]

00:48:13   quickly this thing scratches how bad it [TS]

00:48:15   looks I look at the back of my phone i'm [TS]

00:48:17   using it but I'm always feeling the back [TS]

00:48:19   of my phone [TS]

00:48:20   i'm using it so grip matters more to me [TS]

00:48:22   than looks so of course I go home and [TS]

00:48:24   try to get a jet-black phone and I'm [TS]

00:48:26   going through like ebay and everything [TS]

00:48:28   and it's just a disaster like trying to [TS]

00:48:30   buy anything ever on ebay or sell it for [TS]

00:48:33   that matter is always a bit of a [TS]

00:48:35   disaster ebay is it just a horrible [TS]

00:48:37   place full of horrible people trying to [TS]

00:48:38   scam each other with ebay being one of [TS]

00:48:41   those people trying to scam the [TS]

00:48:42   customers anyway it's it's wonderful [TS]

00:48:45   so that's it was a mess trying it on [TS]

00:48:48   ebay i did try a bit in a few but they [TS]

00:48:50   were there you know that the phone I [TS]

00:48:52   wanted retailed for like after-tax about [TS]

00:48:55   eight hundred dollars and they were [TS]

00:48:56   going to ebay for like 1200 up so like I [TS]

00:48:59   don't really want to spend like four [TS]

00:49:00   hundred extra dollars just for the [TS]

00:49:02   privilege of getting a little bit sooner [TS]

00:49:03   like I start talking about on twitter [TS]

00:49:05   and and i was contacted by a guy named [TS]

00:49:08   Chris handset Chris Hansen he's the [TS]

00:49:11   author of death note software so i [TS]

00:49:13   should give them a plug he really went [TS]

00:49:14   above and beyond here it's def notes [TS]

00:49:16   like the bird of know.com / pace is his [TS]

00:49:19   is a main app it's an app called pace [TS]

00:49:21   let you take breaks on on the mac while [TS]

00:49:24   you're working it's pretty cool [TS]

00:49:25   chris from does note software kind of me [TS]

00:49:27   on Twitter and he said hey I have a jet [TS]

00:49:29   black one that i just opened I decided I [TS]

00:49:31   didn't want that color so I'm going to [TS]

00:49:33   return it but if you want to sell to you [TS]

00:49:34   at cost [TS]

00:49:35   wow this is pretty cool that is super [TS]

00:49:37   cool if you want to sell on ebay he [TS]

00:49:39   couldn't give me 400 bucks right but he [TS]

00:49:41   didn't you he was a fan of the show he [TS]

00:49:42   wanted you wanted me to help me out [TS]

00:49:44   awesome and the box comes i'm signing [TS]

00:49:48   forward with my UPS driver and I'm like [TS]

00:49:50   this is really light box seems like is [TS]

00:49:54   there really a phone in here like did he [TS]

00:49:55   like not DD like just sound like the [TS]

00:49:57   phone itself and not the packaging maybe [TS]

00:49:59   like not like it feels really light and [TS]

00:50:02   even the UPS drivers like yeah there's [TS]

00:50:04   there's no phone in here it's way too [TS]

00:50:05   light like okay so i go inside open it [TS]

00:50:11   up and kind of go fish through it and [TS]

00:50:14   it's full of packing peanuts and only [TS]

00:50:17   packing peanuts [TS]

00:50:18   oh no and the packing slip with the [TS]

00:50:20   phone you know the Apple packing slip [TS]

00:50:22   and a little card from chris saying hey [TS]

00:50:24   hope you enjoy he's a nice guy and the [TS]

00:50:27   plastic wrap to an iphone box which you [TS]

00:50:30   can identify the little green pull-tab [TS]

00:50:32   arrow on one side [TS]

00:50:33   no you know Chris like aii yet we have [TS]

00:50:37   read some common friends was pretty sure [TS]

00:50:38   he you know he wasn't like the scammer [TS]

00:50:40   here so I kind of them and I'm like hey [TS]

00:50:42   yeah we have a problem and he was super [TS]

00:50:47   great about it so it turns out he had [TS]

00:50:49   like.he dropped off at the store he has [TS]

00:50:51   a receipt at the store saying it weighed [TS]

00:50:53   seven pounds when it left the store [TS]

00:50:55   oh goodness and it arrives with me [TS]

00:50:57   waiting nothing and being full attack of [TS]

00:51:00   the nouns you say yeah go on go on [TS]

00:51:04   just keep going just plowed bravely had [TS]

00:51:05   all right yeah haha you know if they're [TS]

00:51:08   so he merely refund my money and you [TS]

00:51:10   know I with your life if you have a [TS]

00:51:11   buyer in this situation if you use [TS]

00:51:13   paypal and you pay the goods rate not [TS]

00:51:15   like the sending people cash rate which [TS]

00:51:17   eliminates the fee [TS]

00:51:18   look there's a reason you pay those fees [TS]

00:51:19   those fees cover you as the buyer and [TS]

00:51:21   when you're buying things you should [TS]

00:51:23   always do that option of the goods rate [TS]

00:51:25   weather weather is a fee even for seller [TS]

00:51:27   makes you pay the fee which is actually [TS]

00:51:29   I think against paypal streaming service [TS]

00:51:30   to ask you to do that but regardless [TS]

00:51:32   even if the seller makes you pay the fee [TS]

00:51:33   you need to do that way because it [TS]

00:51:35   protects you in situations like this [TS]

00:51:37   so anyway he does i don't have to file [TS]

00:51:40   claims he's a nice guy and he [TS]

00:51:41   immediately front of the money he's like [TS]

00:51:43   I'll deal with it because it wasn't sure [TS]

00:51:44   so he goes and deals with ups and it's [TS]

00:51:47   still in process but he's he's he's [TS]

00:51:49   working with them I feel so bad for this [TS]

00:51:51   guy because like here he was doing me [TS]

00:51:53   this favor [TS]

00:51:54   yeah he's trying to do you a solid yes [TS]

00:51:55   so now we've learned don't send an [TS]

00:51:58   iphone right during iphone many a time [TS]

00:52:00   because it and it's like you know it's [TS]

00:52:02   it's obviously an iphone box because [TS]

00:52:04   people who like people who work for UPS [TS]

00:52:06   have seen a billion of these boxes over [TS]

00:52:08   the last few days and it's he said in [TS]

00:52:10   the same box that's like the perfect [TS]

00:52:12   opportunity if you're like you know [TS]

00:52:14   anyway so it was stolen [TS]

00:52:16   now now Chris is like stuck dealing with [TS]

00:52:19   all those insurance crap eps really bad [TS]

00:52:21   form so please look at his appt pace by [TS]

00:52:23   definite software make me feel a little [TS]

00:52:25   better [TS]

00:52:25   that sucks so much so that that I would [TS]

00:52:29   I was like you know what screw this i am [TS]

00:52:31   not going to try to buy another phone on [TS]

00:52:34   the internet like I just trying to get [TS]

00:52:36   through apple for that would however [TS]

00:52:38   long it takes [TS]

00:52:39   I don't care just for you and this i [TS]

00:52:42   have bought so many things online ebay [TS]

00:52:45   amazon everywhere else [TS]

00:52:47   individual sellers people on forums I've [TS]

00:52:49   bought and sold so many things online [TS]

00:52:51   this is the first time I've ever had [TS]

00:52:52   something stolen so I emailed my my [TS]

00:52:57   business rep at the origin of the the [TS]

00:52:59   apple retail business rep at my to local [TS]

00:53:01   stores on monday morning just basically [TS]

00:53:04   saying you know Brad this little hole [TS]

00:53:06   happened basically k if there's any kind [TS]

00:53:08   of waiting list you can put me on [TS]

00:53:10   anything please you know I could really [TS]

00:53:12   use one [TS]

00:53:13   one of the stores said sorry we can't we [TS]

00:53:15   can't really do it we don't know what [TS]

00:53:16   we're gonna have no store said yeah I [TS]

00:53:19   got two right here you want to pick it [TS]

00:53:20   up right now you need both so I monday i [TS]

00:53:26   went in on monday Monday around luncheon [TS]

00:53:29   picked up my brand new jet black iphone [TS]

00:53:32   7 128 gig tmobile unlocked i finally [TS]

00:53:35   have it through a regular means and [TS]

00:53:38   hopefully everybody buys pace by [TS]

00:53:40   definite software so that Chris's let's [TS]

00:53:42   put out by this whole ordeal and [TS]

00:53:44   everything is fine now and you like it i [TS]

00:53:47   think i love it [TS]

00:53:49   so here's the thing the the as i said [TS]

00:53:52   the jet black finish is amazing like if [TS]

00:53:55   you have any chance to if you don't have [TS]

00:53:58   one of these yet if you have any chance [TS]

00:53:59   to go handle one in a store i strongly [TS]

00:54:01   suggest you do it if you're on the fence [TS]

00:54:02   about whether you want jet-black really [TS]

00:54:05   really go try them if you really value [TS]

00:54:07   the grip of your phone [TS]

00:54:08   I'd say just order blind just like just [TS]

00:54:11   get it because it really does make a big [TS]

00:54:13   difference [TS]

00:54:14   mine is of course already has some minor [TS]

00:54:17   micro abrasions on it but I don't care [TS]

00:54:20   you can only see them in certain [TS]

00:54:21   lighting it's it's very much like I [TS]

00:54:23   would compare it to clearcoat scratches [TS]

00:54:27   on a black car where the black layer [TS]

00:54:29   itself does not appear to be scratched [TS]

00:54:31   but if you like move it around the light [TS]

00:54:33   and catch the catch like the glare the [TS]

00:54:35   light you will see little fine scratches [TS]

00:54:37   here and there mostly around the edges [TS]

00:54:39   and it's fine I don't care it's it's [TS]

00:54:42   amazing and if it ends up looking like [TS]

00:54:44   the middle of the millennium falcon cool [TS]

00:54:46   if it ends up just looking like a [TS]

00:54:48   scratched-up old classic ipod with the [TS]

00:54:49   steal back [TS]

00:54:50   I don't really care about that either as [TS]

00:54:52   long as it continues to feel anything [TS]

00:54:53   like it feels I couldn't tell us how [TS]

00:54:55   much the back scratch because it feels [TS]

00:54:56   so incredibly good and if i didn't have [TS]

00:55:00   it feel [TS]

00:55:00   that good if it was a slippery as the [TS]

00:55:02   other ones i would put some ugly case or [TS]

00:55:05   vinyl decal over anyway so like either [TS]

00:55:08   way like I'm not seeing the perfectly [TS]

00:55:10   clear back of the phone I would also [TS]

00:55:12   point out on the fingerprint issue that [TS]

00:55:14   the ones i saw in the store for the [TS]

00:55:16   matte black model it seems that the [TS]

00:55:19   matte black one is actually pretty bad [TS]

00:55:21   about fingerprints to the difference is [TS]

00:55:23   they're harder to wipe off the the jet [TS]

00:55:25   black has a I've heard from a couple [TS]

00:55:27   people who have a PR connections and [TS]

00:55:29   apparently the jet-black does have the [TS]

00:55:31   oleophobic coating along the whole [TS]

00:55:32   backside of it so it does wipe off [TS]

00:55:36   easily just like the screen basically if [TS]

00:55:38   you like right on your on your jeans or [TS]

00:55:39   whatever so getting fingerprints off of [TS]

00:55:41   it is fine if you actually care honestly [TS]

00:55:43   I don't care because I don't look at the [TS]

00:55:44   back but if you're concerned about [TS]

00:55:45   fingerprints the matte black [TS]

00:55:47   I would say is is really no better [TS]

00:55:49   because the fingerprint show up just as [TS]

00:55:52   much on it and they they don't come off [TS]

00:55:54   as easily they kind of just like dollar [TS]

00:55:55   smear i try to wipe them off so anyway [TS]

00:55:58   that that's my thoughts on the on the [TS]

00:56:00   case and the color so far the home [TS]

00:56:03   button i am kind of mixed on I don't [TS]

00:56:06   hate it as much as I thought I would I [TS]

00:56:08   don't love it some people love it that's [TS]

00:56:10   fine i started out on the setting number [TS]

00:56:12   one the weakest i have now since moved [TS]

00:56:14   to cell number 3 based on based on my [TS]

00:56:17   Curly's urging honor an upgrade that is [TS]

00:56:19   the one true setting that seems ok so [TS]

00:56:21   far it's a little loud for me honestly [TS]

00:56:23   put well and yeah that's about it so far [TS]

00:56:27   so good i haven't used the headphone [TS]

00:56:28   jack yet because I hardly ever use wired [TS]

00:56:30   headphones and that's it [TS]

00:56:32   I have so many thoughts but before [TS]

00:56:35   everything was going to ask more [TS]

00:56:36   questions about the doorstep jet black [TS]

00:56:38   as a potential purchaser company will [TS]

00:56:41   ask us but I don't I didn't see your [TS]

00:56:42   answer [TS]

00:56:43   what about wetness combined with the [TS]

00:56:46   service is very tacky business very [TS]

00:56:48   smooth but if your hand is slightly what [TS]

00:56:49   does suddenly become [TS]

00:56:51   a slippery little pill is your hands [TS]

00:56:53   just like sweaty sweaty it'll actually [TS]

00:56:55   be really greatly better that way if [TS]

00:56:58   your hand is like soaked then I think [TS]

00:57:01   picking up any phones gonna be a problem [TS]

00:57:02   well this one is waterproof that's why i [TS]

00:57:04   asked like because it's waterproof you [TS]

00:57:05   can use it in the rain like in the Apple [TS]

00:57:07   ads or you could like you know drop in [TS]

00:57:09   the water and like it seems like it's a [TS]

00:57:11   confluence of events here this is the [TS]

00:57:13   first phone where you can actually get [TS]

00:57:14   wet without you know terror that you're [TS]

00:57:16   going to destroy your phone and it also [TS]

00:57:18   seems like the one that might be the [TS]

00:57:19   slipperiest what I'm asking for you to [TS]

00:57:21   do is get your phone wet try this [TS]

00:57:22   no it's not gonna happen if your hands [TS]

00:57:24   are frequently like dripping wet like [TS]

00:57:26   you just submerge your hands in water [TS]

00:57:28   and then you have to handle your phone [TS]

00:57:29   or the blood of your enemies you know [TS]

00:57:31   whatever sure that maybe choose a [TS]

00:57:33   different one but you know for everyday [TS]

00:57:36   regular use by in most conditions the [TS]

00:57:39   group of this is incredible [TS]

00:57:40   come out of breath I'm going to bring [TS]

00:57:41   out wet sponge to the apple store are [TS]

00:57:43   not going to I honestly I think you have [TS]

00:57:46   I think it would have to be really wet [TS]

00:57:48   to make that really why you seen all the [TS]

00:57:51   videos people are dropping these things [TS]

00:57:52   in the water taking pictures underwater [TS]

00:57:53   with them like it's gonna give you know [TS]

00:57:55   it's potentially can get wet I just you [TS]

00:57:57   know that that's the thing like if the [TS]

00:57:59   grip is entirely based on you know it [TS]

00:58:02   being super smooth and creamy like that [TS]

00:58:03   it suddenly becomes very slippery that [TS]

00:58:05   that's something i want to know but now [TS]

00:58:06   that i plan on using in the rain but [TS]

00:58:08   it's conceivable that I just washed my [TS]

00:58:10   hands and I'm going to hurry and walk [TS]

00:58:12   into the other room and grab the thing [TS]

00:58:13   and if it squirts out of my hand I'm [TS]

00:58:14   going to be sad because it may be [TS]

00:58:15   waterproof but it's still not quite drop [TS]

00:58:17   proof I i think the the the estimation [TS]

00:58:21   by i think it was Jason snow or no it [TS]

00:58:24   was groupers and sweet talk show [TS]

00:58:25   basically like if you're if you're a [TS]

00:58:28   person with extremely dry hands all the [TS]

00:58:31   time then maybe you might want to feel [TS]

00:58:34   one in the store to see if it can be a [TS]

00:58:35   problem for you [TS]

00:58:36   I don't have that problem my hands are [TS]

00:58:37   always like warm and and not like sweaty [TS]

00:58:41   but like you know slightly moistened i [TS]

00:58:43   guess i don't know sorry for getting [TS]

00:58:45   everybody out but so for me it's perfect [TS]

00:58:47   because it is really incredibly creepy [TS]

00:58:50   if your hands are if you have any normal [TS]

00:58:52   level of moisture really i think it's [TS]

00:58:54   only if your hands are extremely dry [TS]

00:58:56   like in the middle of winter and you [TS]

00:58:58   have to cover the motion to interactions [TS]

00:58:59   that for the next fall apart maybe [TS]

00:59:01   before your lotion for the day map it [TS]

00:59:03   might be a bit dry cake [TS]

00:59:04   or if your hands are literally like in [TS]

00:59:06   water you know then that it might be a [TS]

00:59:08   little more slippery but i don't think [TS]

00:59:11   there's a common occurrence for most [TS]

00:59:12   people to buy it [TS]

00:59:13   it rubs the lotion on the Typhon or else [TS]

00:59:16   against host again [TS]

00:59:18   hey gotta remember and look at you [TS]

00:59:20   that's that's that got that got [TS]

00:59:23   aggressive play anyway I put in like in [TS]

00:59:25   the show 27 pounds just to save you guys [TS]

00:59:27   okay I've never heard the flophouse [TS]

00:59:29   I know I know you know I heard that you [TS]

00:59:31   can just jump right in any time you'll [TS]

00:59:32   be fine i went to the other store today [TS]

00:59:36   and this was my first time seeing or [TS]

00:59:39   handling a jet black iphone i went to [TS]

00:59:43   buy a extra headphone adapter to because [TS]

00:59:46   I know myself enough to know that it's [TS]

00:59:49   just wise to sprinkle these little [TS]

00:59:50   things all over the place rather than [TS]

00:59:52   rely on myself to remember to take it [TS]

00:59:55   with me when I might need it [TS]

00:59:57   so for example errands car we play your [TS]

00:59:59   iphone [TS]

00:59:59   iphone [TS]

01:00:00   that's my way of a cassette adapter [TS]

01:00:01   because her car was built like one of [TS]

01:00:03   the last year's the cassettes were sort [TS]

01:00:05   of a thing so I'm going to just leave [TS]

01:00:08   one of these little adapters in her car [TS]

01:00:09   in the advantage of being only nine [TS]

01:00:10   dollars is that you know nine dollars is [TS]

01:00:13   not free but it is not having sorbitan [TS]

01:00:14   amount of money so I just grabbed a [TS]

01:00:16   couple while i was there i looked at the [TS]

01:00:18   jet black iphone i picked it up the [TS]

01:00:20   first thing i noticed was holy god i [TS]

01:00:21   need to get my hands and clorox because [TS]

01:00:23   i just touched a thousand fingerprints [TS]

01:00:25   and that i did not really in like i am [TS]

01:00:31   holding my matte black iphone in my hand [TS]

01:00:32   and admittedly at a couple of angles you [TS]

01:00:35   can see some fingerprints on it but [TS]

01:00:36   generally speaking the only thing I see [TS]

01:00:38   is all the fingerprints on the apple [TS]

01:00:40   logo which looks to me to be more of a [TS]

01:00:42   jet-black ask materials / color I did [TS]

01:00:47   not notice when I was holding the [TS]

01:00:49   jet-black phone which I held for a grand [TS]

01:00:51   total of maybe fifteen seconds and [TS]

01:00:53   probably very gingerly yeah I did not [TS]

01:00:56   notice that it was tackier but i can't [TS]

01:01:01   tell if that's if that means that in my [TS]

01:01:05   estimation marco was wrong and that it's [TS]

01:01:06   not tackier or the fact that it wasn't [TS]

01:01:10   slippery made nothing registered as I [TS]

01:01:13   mean you know what i mean so like I [TS]

01:01:15   didn't think to myself all this is super [TS]

01:01:16   slippery so maybe that means it was [TS]

01:01:18   tacky now I'm i deeply regret not having [TS]

01:01:20   thought to like examine the two of them [TS]

01:01:23   side-by-side I was kind of in a rush and [TS]

01:01:25   I Declan with me and so I didn't want to [TS]

01:01:27   just stand there for an hour playing [TS]

01:01:29   with these things while he's looking at [TS]

01:01:30   me like dat are you serious right now [TS]

01:01:32   but I'd like to go back and try it again [TS]

01:01:35   but I do not see a lot of fingerprints [TS]

01:01:38   on my jet black one and having seen [TS]

01:01:41   excuse me on my map like one and having [TS]

01:01:43   seen the jet black one in the store to [TS]

01:01:45   my eyes I actually think the matte black [TS]

01:01:48   looks better [TS]

01:01:49   hand on heart I really do and I was [TS]

01:01:51   scared to look at the jet black one [TS]

01:01:52   because I expected to think to myself oh [TS]

01:01:54   god I've made a terrible mistake but I [TS]

01:01:58   really think the matte black looks [TS]

01:01:59   better and it's what it occurred to me [TS]

01:02:01   just a day or so ago I think with the [TS]

01:02:03   Seas is my unbelievable unbridled love [TS]

01:02:07   for the black book the the black [TS]

01:02:09   polycarbonate macbook from years ago I [TS]

01:02:12   wanted one of those so hard [TS]

01:02:13   it was like 70 years hundred fifty bucks [TS]

01:02:15   more than the equivalent white one and [TS]

01:02:17   so I didn't do it when i brought my [TS]

01:02:19   initial Mac and I missed I missed having [TS]

01:02:24   the black macbook I thought it looked so [TS]

01:02:25   good in this to me is the black book of [TS]

01:02:29   iphones and i just love the look of it [TS]

01:02:31   that doesn't make Marco wrong but i love [TS]

01:02:34   the look at this map black one which I [TS]

01:02:35   know John is not helping you because I [TS]

01:02:37   know market was really effusive about [TS]

01:02:38   this Jeff why I'm really effusive about [TS]

01:02:40   this one [TS]

01:02:41   I think this one looks so much better [TS]

01:02:43   than the jet-black to my eyes I I [TS]

01:02:45   definitely feel for me I made the right [TS]

01:02:48   choice [TS]

01:02:49   well and I think we will largely agree [TS]

01:02:51   on [TS]

01:02:52   unlike the relative benefits of them the [TS]

01:02:55   question is priority is really like you [TS]

01:02:56   know deep what gives you more joy or [TS]

01:03:00   what is more functional to you you know [TS]

01:03:02   as when you're choosing your phone's [TS]

01:03:04   color and finish basically we normally [TS]

01:03:05   don't even have these kind of choices [TS]

01:03:07   that make any difference at all this [TS]

01:03:08   time we actually do have a choice [TS]

01:03:10   so basically the question is like would [TS]

01:03:12   you want one that looks kind of [TS]

01:03:15   fingerprinting a lot of the time and [TS]

01:03:16   it's gonna be scratched up pretty fast [TS]

01:03:17   but feels this particular way or would [TS]

01:03:21   you want one that you know the one you [TS]

01:03:23   have the matte black one that looks more [TS]

01:03:26   consistent over time and generally you [TS]

01:03:29   know a lot of people really do find it [TS]

01:03:30   very attractive I find honestly I find [TS]

01:03:32   the black one a little bit boring a [TS]

01:03:34   little bit dated looking because like [TS]

01:03:35   four years so much nerd stuff has just [TS]

01:03:38   been available in black and like and I [TS]

01:03:40   know not necessarily iphones but you [TS]

01:03:42   know it's a it's a personal preference i [TS]

01:03:45   guess you know I find it kinda kinda [TS]

01:03:48   boring looking to be just flat black and [TS]

01:03:50   and honestly the jet black one it just [TS]

01:03:53   so happens i like the way it looks but I [TS]

01:03:55   really don't care how it looks [TS]

01:03:57   because feel spoke it that's why I'm [TS]

01:03:59   going to North scratches so basically [TS]

01:04:01   comes down to John like d first of all [TS]

01:04:03   with your type of hand [TS]

01:04:05   do you find it a lot grittier do you [TS]

01:04:08   care and then which do you know if the [TS]

01:04:10   answer those things are yes then [TS]

01:04:12   basically which do you prefer having a [TS]

01:04:14   phone that you love the way it looks or [TS]

01:04:16   having a phone that feels particular way [TS]

01:04:17   on the other things in the next room is [TS]

01:04:20   cases because I I always had cases on my [TS]

01:04:23   ipod touches and i have a case on my [TS]

01:04:25   first iphone [TS]

01:04:26   and the jet black one is my first offer [TS]

01:04:29   was a 6 which as we all knows way too [TS]

01:04:30   slippery with this but the jet black the [TS]

01:04:34   question for me is I can I go caseless [TS]

01:04:36   can i if this is gritty enough [TS]

01:04:38   can I go case with the end for me with [TS]

01:04:41   the equations alright so if i decide [TS]

01:04:43   that is gripping off the ok so let's can [TS]

01:04:45   I tolerate then the disaster that will [TS]

01:04:47   be the back of that phone from scratches [TS]

01:04:49   and I have to get to Marco's place where [TS]

01:04:51   it's like a look just to cares how it [TS]

01:04:52   looks I gotta I gotta believe it's gonna [TS]

01:04:54   look good when it's all scratched up so [TS]

01:04:55   far all the pictures that I've seen on [TS]

01:04:56   Twitter of scratched up ones do not look [TS]

01:04:58   good to me and i will just have to sort [TS]

01:05:00   of resigned myself to say well you know [TS]

01:05:01   just don't worry about it like your you [TS]

01:05:03   exchange your getting a smaller lighter [TS]

01:05:05   phone because you don't have a case on [TS]

01:05:06   it or whatever but the on the other side [TS]

01:05:09   of this is advice if i go to the store [TS]

01:05:11   and it's like a toss-up I can't quite [TS]

01:05:13   decide or whatever but I decided that [TS]

01:05:16   like the jet black is groupies it maybe [TS]

01:05:18   it's not as griffey is like my leather [TS]

01:05:19   case or whatever I just decided like the [TS]

01:05:21   leather one for whatever i'm a i'm [TS]

01:05:23   getting a jet black one [TS]

01:05:25   just so I can ensconce it and leather [TS]

01:05:27   and preserve it so it actually is [TS]

01:05:29   perfect because it's never actually seen [TS]

01:05:30   the light of day because from the day at [TS]

01:05:31   the second i took it out of the box i [TS]

01:05:33   put a case on it and so that it will be [TS]

01:05:35   perfect under there and I could see the [TS]

01:05:37   perfect speaking out on the bottom of [TS]

01:05:38   the speakers are just know in my heart [TS]

01:05:40   of hearts that there's an unblemished [TS]

01:05:41   perfect jet-black back on this thing so [TS]

01:05:44   that's a factor and the final factor is [TS]

01:05:45   first of all they won't by the way [TS]

01:05:47   yeah I really like matte black as a [TS]

01:05:49   question you a little piece of grit in [TS]

01:05:50   there but i'll try really hard [TS]

01:05:52   the matter i really like as i was [TS]

01:05:55   thinking the same thing like the main [TS]

01:05:56   function of this matte black is just to [TS]

01:05:57   make us all wish that Apple has [TS]

01:05:59   technology because the black book did [TS]

01:06:00   not stay pristine because it was made of [TS]

01:06:02   plastic and it wasn't you know didn't [TS]

01:06:03   hold up and showed fingerprints like [TS]

01:06:05   crazy [TS]

01:06:06   I mean what you're saying the matte [TS]

01:06:08   black one of those too but I like I see [TS]

01:06:09   the pictures of the matte black and it's [TS]

01:06:11   a look that I like a jet-black didn't [TS]

01:06:12   exist i'd be like boy that map pack is [TS]

01:06:13   my great guys no more space gray like [TS]

01:06:15   mad but you know i like the matte black [TS]

01:06:18   no I'm not talking about the the black [TS]

01:06:19   book that the plastic the black plastic [TS]

01:06:21   map that showed fingers like crazy but [TS]

01:06:23   you're saying the matte black following [TS]

01:06:24   the star also showed fingerprints not as [TS]

01:06:26   much as the jet black obviously but but [TS]

01:06:28   I'm saying like in it shows way more [TS]

01:06:29   fingerprints them like the old space [TS]

01:06:30   gray ones [TS]

01:06:31   yeah so I mean the miner has been a case [TS]

01:06:34   anyway I I've got some research to do [TS]

01:06:36   and I go to the store the other thing I [TS]

01:06:37   was thinking about two things as topical [TS]

01:06:39   the jet black finish with it being [TS]

01:06:42   grippier and everything they can make [TS]

01:06:44   that in colors they could you know you [TS]

01:06:46   know you can imagine if they keep this [TS]

01:06:48   finish right if this becomes sort of [TS]

01:06:50   like a signature finish of iphones maybe [TS]

01:06:52   the SuperDuper cool glass one the back [TS]

01:06:54   of all of them are that super glossy [TS]

01:06:56   highly polished aluminum it just so [TS]

01:06:59   happens they don't all come in black [TS]

01:07:00   can you imagine you know lifesavers [TS]

01:07:02   colors like the old imax but with his [TS]

01:07:04   super who wasn't thinking by the way [TS]

01:07:05   this is anything that we left out of the [TS]

01:07:06   shadows last time someone had noticed [TS]

01:07:08   that the artist like the wallpapers they [TS]

01:07:10   give you with his weird blob of jell-o [TS]

01:07:12   exactly matches the color of some of the [TS]

01:07:14   lifesaver imax plus the the original one [TS]

01:07:17   which I thought was neat but I can [TS]

01:07:20   imagine this finish if it ends up being [TS]

01:07:22   successful being a signature of the [TS]

01:07:23   iphone going forward but as I said mark [TS]

01:07:25   on Twitter today when he was talking [TS]

01:07:26   about what are the things that we're [TS]

01:07:27   going to look back on about the iphone 7 [TS]

01:07:30   and thank you know those didn't quite [TS]

01:07:31   work out or those complaints were legit [TS]

01:07:33   and he was saying the home button and a [TS]

01:07:34   few other things my suggestion was that [TS]

01:07:35   probably the finish on the back of the [TS]

01:07:38   iphone 7 will not be an ongoing thing [TS]

01:07:43   not the aesthetic look but I feel like [TS]

01:07:45   if they're going to make another version [TS]

01:07:46   of that finished they decide to do that [TS]

01:07:47   they'll work a little bit harder on the [TS]

01:07:49   scratch thing right like I feel like [TS]

01:07:50   this is not where they wanted to get [TS]

01:07:52   they love how it looks [TS]

01:07:53   they had to put a little warning about [TS]

01:07:54   scratching if they have the technology [TS]

01:07:56   side like the success being slightly [TS]

01:07:58   less than slightly slippery than the six [TS]

01:07:59   things that always got the same awesome [TS]

01:08:01   finish that you love from the seven but [TS]

01:08:02   now it is more scratch resistant not [TS]

01:08:04   perfect you know it's not gonna be like [TS]

01:08:06   the stainless steel dlc thing because [TS]

01:08:07   that apparently is not a process that [TS]

01:08:08   you can do aluminum and they're not [TS]

01:08:10   gonna make it out of steel because the [TS]

01:08:11   phone the way a time but I can imagine [TS]

01:08:13   this shiny glossy finish being a thing [TS]

01:08:17   because it looks cool right [TS]

01:08:19   and if you can make it less scratchy [TS]

01:08:21   that would be cool and if you could do [TS]

01:08:22   it in different colors that would also [TS]

01:08:24   be cool so I see potentially a future [TS]

01:08:27   that or this is going to be like a [TS]

01:08:28   one-off thing where this was the glossy [TS]

01:08:30   black one and they go on to whatever [TS]

01:08:31   they already had in mind for the eight [TS]

01:08:32   but anyway I'm not any closer decision [TS]

01:08:34   not to see these things in person and [TS]

01:08:37   hopefully by the time i get all the [TS]

01:08:38   weird bugs would like the headphone [TS]

01:08:39   connector and everything will be worked [TS]

01:08:40   out so thanks for a deal with that guys [TS]

01:08:42   also have the option for reducing motion [TS]

01:08:45   and messages guys just wander around [TS]

01:08:48   schedule for that God [TS]

01:08:50   alright so just a couple of minor [TS]

01:08:51   follow-ups to what you just said first [TS]

01:08:53   of all your your potential option of by [TS]

01:08:57   the jet-black anyway and just put in a [TS]

01:08:59   case and keep pursuing forever it will [TS]

01:09:00   actually work his first of all as you [TS]

01:09:02   mentioned a little piece of grit might [TS]

01:09:03   get back there whatever and scratch it [TS]

01:09:05   I'm real I'm really careful [TS]

01:09:06   yes so am i I've had this phone for two [TS]

01:09:09   days and it's already scratches on it it [TS]

01:09:11   wasn't in a case it was never in the [TS]

01:09:12   case and some of them are along the [TS]

01:09:14   bottom edge where the speaker's turn [TS]

01:09:17   into them and I said the speaker that I [TS]

01:09:18   said the speaker grill be poking out [TS]

01:09:20   understood that would be exposed so yeah [TS]

01:09:22   I mean it's just like just handling this [TS]

01:09:24   having it in a pocket with lynn it i [TS]

01:09:26   mean this thing like i am very careful [TS]

01:09:29   with my stuff most of most of my [TS]

01:09:31   electronics that i own and use after i'm [TS]

01:09:33   done using them look brand-new they like [TS]

01:09:35   they look totally unused they have [TS]

01:09:37   nowhere on the whatsoever this phone [TS]

01:09:39   I've had for two days and already [TS]

01:09:40   scratched so i will say if you are the [TS]

01:09:42   kind of person who thinks you know what [TS]

01:09:44   I can get a jet black and just be really [TS]

01:09:45   careful with it [TS]

01:09:46   no that's not going to happen so you [TS]

01:09:48   have you really you have to be okay with [TS]

01:09:51   it scratching if you're going to get it [TS]

01:09:52   but and you know if like me if you are [TS]

01:09:55   so you know i never by the by the feel [TS]

01:09:58   of it that you don't care then it might [TS]

01:10:00   be right for you and I also would say I [TS]

01:10:03   i do think that you are probably right [TS]

01:10:05   this is probably gonna be a one-off I [TS]

01:10:07   don't expect this color to return in [TS]

01:10:09   future years simply because i think i [TS]

01:10:12   think it is probably very you know [TS]

01:10:14   expensive and and more complex them to [TS]

01:10:16   do and also i think that the wages is [TS]

01:10:20   not going to be received well I think [TS]

01:10:21   people will look back and I kind of like [TS]

01:10:22   the scratchy ipod nanos and analyze [TS]

01:10:25   their part of the steel backs as the [TS]

01:10:27   only that bag is the scratch upon that [TS]

01:10:29   was on the front that's sure it wasn't a [TS]

01:10:31   problem but yeah but like even if they [TS]

01:10:34   can improve that's the wild-card like i [TS]

01:10:35   said i I really don't feel like they're [TS]

01:10:36   going to this exact back again but at [TS]

01:10:39   this aesthetic I think his legs right [TS]

01:10:40   and so if they can improve the process [TS]

01:10:42   somehow i come up with some super hard [TS]

01:10:44   clearcoat that resists scratching and [TS]

01:10:46   doesn't look like a disaster like [TS]

01:10:48   ceramic I think as aesthetic Lee it [TS]

01:10:51   would be really nice i mean obviously [TS]

01:10:52   it's probably also expensive and you [TS]

01:10:54   know somebody can you mad like if they [TS]

01:10:56   had like bright candy colors under that [TS]

01:10:58   kind of gloss that's a good-looking [TS]

01:10:59   phone [TS]

01:11:00   yeah i mean i would even say like like a [TS]

01:11:01   white one [TS]

01:11:02   what let's not go crazy white on the [TS]

01:11:05   back and black on the front there we go [TS]

01:11:07   yeah business in the front party in the [TS]

01:11:09   back like if they had if they had like a [TS]

01:11:11   white glossy finish [TS]

01:11:13   I don't know I don't know much about I [TS]

01:11:14   don't know anything about this process I [TS]

01:11:16   don't know whether it's possible to do [TS]

01:11:17   in different colors or whether whether [TS]

01:11:19   this can only be done in black because [TS]

01:11:20   of some some components using it but if [TS]

01:11:23   it could be done if the same finish [TS]

01:11:24   could be done in white [TS]

01:11:26   I bet the scratch it would be very hard [TS]

01:11:28   to see so you heard it here first kids [TS]

01:11:30   John siracusa would like a mullet foam [TS]

01:11:32   like I was just identifying as the thing [TS]

01:11:35   that can be made [TS]

01:11:36   I'm just messing around the home button [TS]

01:11:39   hashtag Mike was wrong the correct [TS]

01:11:41   setting is the middle setting [TS]

01:11:44   additionally i hated hated this home [TS]

01:11:48   button for six hours and now I freaking [TS]

01:11:51   love it [TS]

01:11:52   I'm i don't know why i love it to be [TS]

01:11:56   completely honest with you but it just [TS]

01:11:59   feels so much more crisp then the home [TS]

01:12:03   button on my iPad or even my success [TS]

01:12:05   which i still have four for at least a [TS]

01:12:06   little while I grab the ipad or if I [TS]

01:12:10   just pick up the success for whatever [TS]

01:12:11   reason those feel just positively mushy [TS]

01:12:15   by comparison and I don't care for it [TS]

01:12:19   all at all [TS]

01:12:20   I feel like I don't like double-clicking [TS]

01:12:23   for lack of a better word the home [TS]

01:12:25   button to bring up multitasking i feel [TS]

01:12:27   like i can do it quicker and it's more [TS]

01:12:30   reliable on the new phone i have guided [TS]

01:12:35   access enabled so if I really need a [TS]

01:12:39   break for a minute if declan's in the [TS]

01:12:41   car or something like that because he [TS]

01:12:42   hates the car and I want to give him [TS]

01:12:45   like plex to look at and look at Daniel [TS]

01:12:47   tiger or sesame street would have you [TS]

01:12:49   I've got it access ready and waiting to [TS]

01:12:51   be enabled so he doesn't you know and [TS]

01:12:53   navigate away from the app I want them [TS]

01:12:55   to use so a triple tap oftentimes or [TS]

01:12:59   triple click I would oftentimes fire [TS]

01:13:00   that accidentally now maybe not often [TS]

01:13:02   but definitely regularly fire a triple [TS]

01:13:06   click by accident with physical home [TS]

01:13:08   buttons i've yet to do that on this one [TS]

01:13:11   and you know what is stupid as it sounds [TS]

01:13:12   and I'll be the first to say it's stupid [TS]

01:13:14   i just kind of like being [TS]

01:13:16   on the home screen and mash away this [TS]

01:13:18   home button and feeling the taptic [TS]

01:13:19   engine I've really think it feels a lot [TS]

01:13:21   better and crisper you're gonna $215 [TS]

01:13:24   frigid cube i do it's nothing like that [TS]

01:13:28   clicking your pen caps and uh your home [TS]

01:13:30   button [TS]

01:13:31   yep that's right now I really do love [TS]

01:13:33   this thing I think one is too gentle i [TS]

01:13:35   think three is just overbearing I think [TS]

01:13:38   he was just right it was weird at first [TS]

01:13:40   because it is very clearly not the same [TS]

01:13:45   feel as a physical button as many people [TS]

01:13:49   have said particularly those who have [TS]

01:13:50   review units it's not the same as the [TS]

01:13:52   trackpad which despite what Marco [TS]

01:13:54   believes does feel like an actual click [TS]

01:13:56   it is done you cannot discern the [TS]

01:13:58   difference so much your market 100 no [TS]

01:14:00   wait wait wait wait i never said the [TS]

01:14:02   fourth text wrap it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:14:04   the cliq I said it feels like a bad [TS]

01:14:05   button and it was a good button and you [TS]

01:14:07   can totally tell and you can totally [TS]

01:14:08   tell the difference don't tell me you [TS]

01:14:10   can tell it's a yeah it's a pretty it's [TS]

01:14:11   pretty apparent difference the force [TS]

01:14:13   touch might be good enough for lots of [TS]

01:14:15   people but that doesn't mean it's not [TS]

01:14:16   worse [TS]

01:14:17   it's definitely much more convincing [TS]

01:14:19   than the reports that because you if but [TS]

01:14:20   it's like you said last time if you [TS]

01:14:22   didn't tell someone especially someone [TS]

01:14:23   who's not marker the most this wasn't a [TS]

01:14:25   button they wouldn't figure it out but [TS]

01:14:27   once you tell them like oh yeah I can [TS]

01:14:28   see that [TS]

01:14:28   and I and I said the trackpad does move [TS]

01:14:31   I wonder if the home button has anyone [TS]

01:14:32   gone in macro on that and see does the [TS]

01:14:34   home button movie the track that moves [TS]

01:14:35   just because it's a big thing and it [TS]

01:14:36   flexes but i wonder if the home button [TS]

01:14:38   moves at all i don't think it's us and I [TS]

01:14:40   will say to like I actually find that [TS]

01:14:42   the fourth section but on the seven less [TS]

01:14:45   crappy then the then that the first [TS]

01:14:48   extract I actually i think even give me [TS]

01:14:51   another couple days I'll probably even [TS]

01:14:53   like this [TS]

01:14:54   however I be using a force touch magic [TS]

01:14:56   trackpad for a while now and I still [TS]

01:14:58   don't like it's click like that the [TS]

01:14:59   force touch on the track pads i think [TS]

01:15:01   stays mediocre but the one on the phone [TS]

01:15:03   I think you could use a pretty fast and [TS]

01:15:05   I just I really don't mind in fact like [TS]

01:15:07   the track but be that as it may I really [TS]

01:15:09   like the home button setting number two [TS]

01:15:11   is the right setting the best way to [TS]

01:15:14   describe it which I'm stealing from [TS]

01:15:15   either pans rain or snow or somebody is [TS]

01:15:18   that it feels like the whole bottom of [TS]

01:15:20   the phone [TS]

01:15:21   not that it's being depressed but it's [TS]

01:15:24   the whole bottom of the phone that's [TS]

01:15:25   reacting and that's very unnatural as [TS]

01:15:28   compared [TS]

01:15:29   to a physical button and that's why I [TS]

01:15:30   think I hated it so much at first [TS]

01:15:32   because it's as though the whole bottom [TS]

01:15:34   of the phone is not really depressing [TS]

01:15:38   but like i said a second ago reacting [TS]

01:15:39   but I've come to really like it and it's [TS]

01:15:43   it almost feels more obvious even its [TS]

01:15:46   setting to that yes i have engaged the [TS]

01:15:48   home button so i freakin love this thing [TS]

01:15:51   the one downside that i found which I [TS]

01:15:54   almost never run into but it is striking [TS]

01:15:57   the difference is if you have the phone [TS]

01:16:00   sitting on say a table or something like [TS]

01:16:02   that and then press the home button it [TS]

01:16:05   feels very very weird [TS]

01:16:08   either you don't feel it at all or is [TS]

01:16:11   this is particularly on like a hard [TS]

01:16:12   surface a surface so like I have a glass [TS]

01:16:15   desk so putting on my my mouse pad which [TS]

01:16:17   I have to use like an animal that feels [TS]

01:16:19   about the same but on the glass you can [TS]

01:16:21   barely feel the darn thing moving at all [TS]

01:16:23   that's which is super super weird and I [TS]

01:16:26   don't care for that at all but it's so [TS]

01:16:28   rare that i have the things sitting on a [TS]

01:16:30   flat surface like that in pressing the [TS]

01:16:32   home button that doesn't really bother [TS]

01:16:33   me but that is something worth noting [TS]

01:16:37   and as a friend of the show my curly had [TS]

01:16:39   also noted the ring that that kind of [TS]

01:16:42   enables touch ID is the same thing that [TS]

01:16:45   enables listening for lack of a better [TS]

01:16:47   word that you're pressing the home [TS]

01:16:48   button so if you don't have the right [TS]

01:16:50   kind of capacitive gloves or if you like [TS]

01:16:52   put a your shirt between your thumb and [TS]

01:16:54   the home button you can no longer tap [TS]

01:16:56   the press the home button which to me [TS]

01:16:59   isn't a problem at all but it is very [TS]

01:17:01   peculiar and it makes you realize that [TS]

01:17:03   this is all just software and hardware [TS]

01:17:04   trickery [TS]

01:17:06   yeah actually hit this like it in the [TS]

01:17:08   like I have next to my bed i have an [TS]

01:17:10   iphone dock and I've gotten in the habit [TS]

01:17:11   of like when I wake up in the morning to [TS]

01:17:13   check the time i will just gonna push my [TS]

01:17:15   pinky into the home button to just make [TS]

01:17:17   sure it doesn't unlock the whole phone [TS]

01:17:18   and everything you want to the clock on [TS]

01:17:19   the phone and so now I kind of can't it [TS]

01:17:23   doesn't work very well anymore because [TS]

01:17:24   I've got in the habit of only pushing a [TS]

01:17:26   little tiny bit of the home button with [TS]

01:17:28   my pinky and you know you kind of have [TS]

01:17:30   to activate that touch ID ring to make [TS]

01:17:32   it work at all now you have a mechanical [TS]

01:17:33   clock back here next year bad as you [TS]

01:17:36   look over to tell you the time [TS]

01:17:37   no but it wouldn't be lit up whereas the [TS]

01:17:39   apple watch when it's close to the time [TS]

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01:20:00   speakers the speakers on the new phones [TS]

01:20:07   are indeed louder they are in stereo [TS]

01:20:09   which I haven't watched very much on my [TS]

01:20:12   new phone in terms of like video or what [TS]

01:20:14   have you but I have had it playing some [TS]

01:20:17   podcasts from time to time and oh man [TS]

01:20:20   these speakers are so much louder and i [TS]

01:20:22   love that have you used yours much Marco [TS]

01:20:25   not not a ton but i have used them and [TS]

01:20:28   test them here in there and yeah it's [TS]

01:20:29   better it's it's not i wouldn't say it's [TS]

01:20:32   like twice as loud perceptually and [TS]

01:20:37   maybe in certain conditions that might [TS]

01:20:38   be that you know they they're claiming [TS]

01:20:40   that being twice as loud might have been [TS]

01:20:41   like a decibel level measurement we're [TS]

01:20:43   like a kinda it can be it can be fuck [TS]

01:20:46   you anyway it is definitely noticeably [TS]

01:20:48   louder and have better quality and [TS]

01:20:50   that's what's important [TS]

01:20:51   I also i I'm pleasantly surprised that [TS]

01:20:54   like I thought because the speaker it [TS]

01:20:56   there isn't one fires out the top edge [TS]

01:20:58   the HS the earpiece that that you need [TS]

01:21:01   that speaks during phone calls that [TS]

01:21:03   thing is now just loud enough to be a [TS]

01:21:05   speaker yeah and so it's not so you have [TS]

01:21:07   that one firing straight ahead and you [TS]

01:21:10   have the one on the bottom where it's [TS]

01:21:11   always been firing kind of down like you [TS]

01:21:14   know away from the phone so these are [TS]

01:21:16   fire two different angles and so I [TS]

01:21:18   thought it would sound weird but it [TS]

01:21:21   doesn't really it just it just sounds [TS]

01:21:23   like the whole phone is making one loud [TS]

01:21:25   sound output which is exactly what you [TS]

01:21:28   want so I'm actually very pleasantly [TS]

01:21:30   surprised by its its but it's you know I [TS]

01:21:33   expected it to be like useful for [TS]

01:21:35   utility point of view just like getting [TS]

01:21:36   more standard of the phone but that it [TS]

01:21:38   actually is is better quality than I [TS]

01:21:40   expected [TS]

01:21:41   yeah really great two thumbs up the air [TS]

01:21:46   pods obviously none of us have them yet [TS]

01:21:47   when they were first announced I thought [TS]

01:21:51   yeah that's clever looks cool but yeah [TS]

01:21:54   but a few different things have happened [TS]

01:21:57   over the last few days that have made me [TS]

01:21:59   think you know I think I do want those [TS]

01:22:02   and very much in the watch style [TS]

01:22:04   first of all I've been using lightning [TS]

01:22:06   your earbuds from time to time [TS]

01:22:08   and I really think in that having the [TS]

01:22:13   cables come off of them really does pull [TS]

01:22:16   on them enough to try to pull them out [TS]

01:22:18   of my ears and I really think not having [TS]

01:22:20   the weight of the cables would make a [TS]

01:22:22   huge difference [TS]

01:22:23   additionally there's been a handful of [TS]

01:22:25   times that I've or even perhaps most of [TS]

01:22:27   the time I've only had one of the [TS]

01:22:29   earbuds in because I want to be able to [TS]

01:22:31   hear deck win or you know maybe I'm he's [TS]

01:22:34   asleep and errands out and I just need [TS]

01:22:36   to make sure that i can hear the monitor [TS]

01:22:38   what have you for whatever reason i've [TS]

01:22:40   only had one in and not having the the [TS]

01:22:45   phone or perhaps the earbuds whatever [TS]

01:22:47   force mono when only one of them is in i [TS]

01:22:51   can't say i've noticed it but i can just [TS]

01:22:53   think to myself man it would be nice if [TS]

01:22:54   I knew that everything that I could hear [TS]

01:22:56   i was hearing through just one of the [TS]

01:22:58   air pods and additionally there's been a [TS]

01:23:00   handful of times when I like go with go [TS]

01:23:02   for a walk with Declan where it would be [TS]

01:23:04   kind of nice to be able to just not have [TS]

01:23:06   wires or maybe even leave my phone at [TS]

01:23:09   home and just use my watch and have [TS]

01:23:11   these things just magically transfer [TS]

01:23:13   from the phone to the watch would be [TS]

01:23:16   really nice so at first i thought yeah I [TS]

01:23:18   don't want any inch I don't really have [TS]

01:23:20   any interest in their pods but within [TS]

01:23:21   just a few days I've convinced myself [TS]

01:23:23   that's going on the Christmas and [TS]

01:23:24   Hanukkah list this year even if the [TS]

01:23:27   sound quality ends up being no not [TS]

01:23:30   meaningfully better than the regular [TS]

01:23:31   earpods the wire ones which means not [TS]

01:23:34   very good i think a lot of people are [TS]

01:23:36   going to buy and use these things and [TS]

01:23:39   like them just for the utility factor i [TS]

01:23:41   mean that's the thing with bluetooth [TS]

01:23:42   audio like a many ways as we discussed [TS]

01:23:45   as in many ways bluetooth headphones are [TS]

01:23:47   worse than wired headphones or at least [TS]

01:23:49   more complicated you know best but it [TS]

01:23:52   really is a lot more comedian and them [TS]

01:23:54   in a number of big ways in practice and [TS]

01:23:56   that's why i like that that's why am i [TS]

01:23:58   walking headphones are these terrible [TS]

01:24:00   sounding little tiny relatively [TS]

01:24:03   inexpensive sennheiser bluetooth ones [TS]

01:24:04   because i'm listening to podcast the [TS]

01:24:06   quality doesn't matter very much and [TS]

01:24:07   it's just so much more convenient with [TS]

01:24:10   bluetooth headphones that have no wire [TS]

01:24:12   and have nice clean nice big button [TS]

01:24:14   controls on the earcup and so I think [TS]

01:24:16   people are going to feel similarly about [TS]

01:24:18   the air pods where you know if you [TS]

01:24:20   really want like big thumping [TS]

01:24:22   based on everything from music you're [TS]

01:24:23   probably go with Beats or some other you [TS]

01:24:25   know headphones that's more for that [TS]

01:24:27   purpose and tuned for that but if you [TS]

01:24:30   just want like basically headphones as [TS]

01:24:32   you as like a utilitarian object that [TS]

01:24:35   we'll just serve that they're primarily [TS]

01:24:37   serving a functional role for you and [TS]

01:24:39   you don't really care as much about the [TS]

01:24:40   quality that I think they're gonna be [TS]

01:24:42   really great again my only my only [TS]

01:24:44   reservation about them is how in [TS]

01:24:46   community will it really be in practice [TS]

01:24:47   to not have a lot of remote control [TS]

01:24:50   option to not have the volume control to [TS]

01:24:52   not have the sikh buttons you know and [TS]

01:24:55   in practice i think most people won't [TS]

01:24:57   care because most people could only ever [TS]

01:25:00   use the volume control and play pause [TS]

01:25:02   most people didn't never even knew that [TS]

01:25:05   you could like you know double-click the [TS]

01:25:06   triple click or click and hold that [TS]

01:25:08   middle button to do other things like [TS]

01:25:10   the seeking and stuff so it you know [TS]

01:25:13   that might end up not mattering at all [TS]

01:25:14   to most buyers of it but to get like i [TS]

01:25:17   said i think you know people who were [TS]

01:25:18   aware of the remote control gesture i [TS]

01:25:19   think it's gonna be a notable omission [TS]

01:25:21   but otherwise they do seem like they're [TS]

01:25:23   going to be pretty compelling and I [TS]

01:25:25   might get a pair just you know as I just [TS]

01:25:26   to see like can I get away with this [TS]

01:25:28   because there are situations where i [TS]

01:25:30   would probably want those like my my [TS]

01:25:33   walking bluetooth headphones i can't put [TS]

01:25:36   those in my pocket [TS]

01:25:37   they don't fit in in pockets but these I [TS]

01:25:39   can like put a little girl case which i [TS]

01:25:41   think their case does fit and pockets [TS]

01:25:43   little thicker but does fit right [TS]

01:25:45   it's not like that isn't like a dental [TS]

01:25:47   floss size roughly got ya [TS]

01:25:48   looks like the tic tacs or something so [TS]

01:25:50   it's definitely pocket the ball so like [TS]

01:25:52   they're there are lots of occasions [TS]

01:25:54   where i would like to have headphones [TS]

01:25:55   with me but I I don't have a pocket to [TS]

01:25:57   devote to them so i would love to have [TS]

01:26:00   these for those kind of situations if i [TS]

01:26:02   can wear them without pain so that time [TS]

01:26:04   will tell on that French but uh but they [TS]

01:26:07   they are probably going to be very [TS]

01:26:09   practical and very compelling in in [TS]

01:26:12   real-world use we're going to meet your [TS]

01:26:14   spreader so you can start a preparing [TS]

01:26:16   what [TS]

01:26:17   wow that's a problem right here too [TS]

01:26:20   small they don't fit in there [TS]

01:26:21   honestly I don't know what the problem [TS]

01:26:22   is I it they seemed acting my ears are [TS]

01:26:25   not just are not too small but just like [TS]

01:26:27   don't have exactly the right type of [TS]

01:26:29   shape for them to sit properly i don't [TS]

01:26:31   know i don't know what the problem is [TS]

01:26:32   whatever the problem is they don't sit [TS]

01:26:33   very well in there [TS]

01:26:34   it hurts those things they call that you [TS]

01:26:36   put a shoe trees you know things are [TS]

01:26:38   holding open into your trees [TS]

01:26:40   yeah your tree shaped like your pods [TS]

01:26:44   examples next big product the world will [TS]

01:26:47   conform to our bods we measured a [TS]

01:26:49   thousand years [TS]

01:26:50   get in line and he couldn't you just [TS]

01:26:51   take the wired one to come in the box [TS]

01:26:53   for free just shove it in there all the [TS]

01:26:54   time I don't know if this still it's not [TS]

01:26:56   open for debate whether they're exactly [TS]

01:26:57   the same shape as the wireless ones [TS]

01:26:59   goodness [TS]

01:27:00   alright well I believe that's it for [TS]

01:27:02   today right I think so [TS]

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01:28:15   tree so many times and Marco refuses to [TS]

01:28:19   listen [TS]

01:28:19   oh I am yes I know ya know like that [TS]

01:28:22   there was one time where like in two [TS]

01:28:25   thousand six or so I did try one of the [TS]

01:28:28   like entry-level I think it might have [TS]

01:28:31   been one of the sure ones or the demonic [TS]

01:28:33   everyone wanted but I didn't like an [TS]

01:28:35   entry-level IEM with like a few [TS]

01:28:37   different various tips on it and I had [TS]

01:28:39   to return aight i could not even that [TS]

01:28:41   like it was just it hurt [TS]

01:28:43   I couldn't wear it with custom old ones [TS]

01:28:45   everyone especially for some group into [TS]

01:28:47   your ear and butt but I feel like the [TS]

01:28:50   custom mold like first of all you know [TS]

01:28:51   that I think the cheapest customer ones [TS]

01:28:53   are like seven hundred dollars ish like [TS]

01:28:55   somewhere in that price range [TS]

01:28:56   oh yeah for you that's so damn expensive [TS]

01:28:58   mr. i spend gazillions of dollars on [TS]

01:29:01   headphones on a daily basis but it to [TS]

01:29:04   spend seven hundred dollars on something [TS]

01:29:05   that i will almost certainly not be able [TS]

01:29:07   to use and that I can't return or resell [TS]

01:29:09   it that that is that is not a grease and [TS]

01:29:13   what I understand where you're coming [TS]

01:29:14   from it which is why i'm only going to [TS]

01:29:17   slightly beat you up but the whole point [TS]

01:29:19   of custom poured iems is that they are [TS]

01:29:22   built for Marco Arment they are perfect [TS]

01:29:25   for Marco Arment because they literally [TS]

01:29:27   put group in your years to make a mold [TS]

01:29:29   of owners I know like this is it is by [TS]

01:29:32   designed by definition perfect that is [TS]

01:29:35   the whole point but what if the problem [TS]

01:29:37   isn't the shape what the problem is like [TS]

01:29:38   my ears too sensitive there or whatever [TS]

01:29:40   the problems like crap in his ears [TS]

01:29:42   it's like they're perfectly if you want [TS]

01:29:44   something that perfectly wedges itself [TS]

01:29:46   in your ear canal little perfectly fit [TS]

01:29:47   in your ear canals like no I don't want [TS]

01:29:49   ya something filling up my ear canal I [TS]

01:29:51   want them to be air in my ear canal and [TS]

01:29:53   maybe a little bit of wax and some Paris [TS]

01:29:55   mold like I I find I I mean people who [TS]

01:30:00   love and can use IM more power to you i [TS]

01:30:02   find them a little gross and and I and I [TS]

01:30:05   also like the amount of isolation they [TS]

01:30:08   provide is not usually something I want [TS]

01:30:10   like if I'm not walking [TS]

01:30:11   that's actually that's a fair play i [TS]

01:30:12   don't want full isolation like like my [TS]

01:30:14   my little stupid sennheiser ones are [TS]

01:30:16   these you know relatively small on-ear [TS]

01:30:18   headphones so they are closed back but [TS]

01:30:21   there's not much ceiling that's actually [TS]

01:30:23   happening [TS]

01:30:23   so I'm not very isolated from the world [TS]

01:30:24   so i can hear things like traffic which [TS]

01:30:27   is pretty important when I'm walking so [TS]

01:30:29   special you know i'm often walking in [TS]

01:30:31   the street with my dog [TS]

01:30:32   so you know to be able to hear cars [TS]

01:30:34   coming is fairly important see that i [TS]

01:30:36   have no argument for but the oh I don't [TS]

01:30:38   think it'll feel good just go try it [TS]

01:30:41   just lights don't have to complain and [TS]

01:30:42   Mona 24 the restaurant if you want to [TS]

01:30:44   pitch him you want to get him to use [TS]

01:30:45   these things you gotta go to the audio [TS]

01:30:46   file and say people say that the real [TS]

01:30:49   best-sounding your phones are the ones [TS]

01:30:50   that Jam themselves up inside your ear [TS]

01:30:51   like little heels that's the way I got [TS]

01:30:54   fucked up again I've never I've never be [TS]

01:30:57   no benefited from this but people do say [TS]

01:30:59   that I ems are really amazing and like [TS]

01:31:02   the quality you can get a good pair is [TS]

01:31:04   really something so that's what's gonna [TS]

01:31:05   bring you over the edge eventually if [TS]

01:31:07   anything ever does it's not going to be [TS]

01:31:08   the idea that you know that it will be [TS]

01:31:11   better than the bluetooth bunch of using [TS]

01:31:13   yeah i did and i i'm i'm predicting now [TS]

01:31:15   that i think will switch to the earpods [TS]

01:31:16   if they in any way managed to stay in [TS]

01:31:18   your ear so they don't obviously then [TS]

01:31:19   whatever you ask in the test but because [TS]

01:31:21   i feel like i'm just gonna be so much [TS]

01:31:22   more convenient than those big like my [TS]

01:31:24   type [TS]

01:31:25   I'm one of those people who would feel [TS]

01:31:26   weird walking around outside walking the [TS]

01:31:28   dog with big headphones on and all yours [TS]

01:31:30   are big they're not a bigger than the [TS]

01:31:32   bigger than your pots put it that way [TS]

01:31:33   right some somehow in my world I feel ok [TS]

01:31:35   with earbuds going on a walk I don't [TS]

01:31:37   feel ok with the thing that goes over my [TS]

01:31:38   head anyway I think once you you know [TS]

01:31:40   use the potty mostly I find the earpods [TS]

01:31:42   I think you're probably look a little [TS]

01:31:44   bit dumb her like I do [TS]

01:31:45   they're a little dumb i will grant you [TS]

01:31:47   but but they're certainly less [TS]

01:31:48   conspicuous different from a distance [TS]

01:31:50   than the big beyond your years [TS]

01:31:52   yeah and I think probably you'll be able [TS]

01:31:54   to hear more with your product someone [TS]

01:31:55   who wears your pods everyday when [TS]

01:31:57   walking around and stuff i think they [TS]

01:31:59   don't do much noise isolation and all [TS]

01:32:02   like I think you'll be able to hear more [TS]

01:32:03   traffic which i think is a good thing [TS]

01:32:05   because you really shouldn't be walking [TS]

01:32:06   around on roads with your phones on [TS]

01:32:07   no I've actually why would actually want [TS]

01:32:09   that or just your just do one here and [TS]

01:32:11   let you just do a podcast just one here [TS]

01:32:13   was a mono something you can't do with a [TS]

01:32:14   headset right [TS]

01:32:15   I do it all the time take one off just [TS]

01:32:17   stick next to my ear in my head you know [TS]

01:32:18   we look good for even more ridiculous [TS]

01:32:20   still on your head still squishy anyway [TS]

01:32:22   one here pod and a dog because all you [TS]

01:32:24   need [TS]

01:32:26   so earlier today there was a rumor that [TS]

01:32:29   apple was in talks to buy McLaren who [TS]

01:32:32   makes supercars and [TS]

01:32:34   many many other things works works on an [TS]

01:32:36   f1 team or is an f1 team or whatever [TS]

01:32:38   strollers strollers different company [TS]

01:32:41   right at the different company they were [TS]

01:32:43   going to buy mclaren then they were [TS]

01:32:45   going to make a stretch to strategic [TS]

01:32:47   investment in McLaren and then know [TS]

01:32:48   they're definitely not looking at [TS]

01:32:50   mclaren no they're not know nobody's [TS]

01:32:51   looking at us leave us alone [TS]

01:32:52   so what do we think about this is this [TS]

01:32:55   thing it doesn't sound like this is the [TS]

01:32:57   thing but if it was a thing then [TS]

01:32:59   certainly both companies would be saying [TS]

01:33:01   oh no that's not a thing [TS]

01:33:03   so all those mclaren spokesperson [TS]

01:33:04   official comment obviously apples not [TS]

01:33:06   commenting well sometimes they doing [TS]

01:33:07   these things to deny them to the McLaren [TS]

01:33:09   says we can confirm the McLaren is not [TS]

01:33:12   in discussions with apple in in respect [TS]

01:33:14   of any potential investment i don't know [TS]

01:33:16   who this exercise in respect of is [TS]

01:33:18   probably somewhere bridges and put any [TS]

01:33:19   way in respect of any potential [TS]

01:33:21   investment that doesn't rule out then [TS]

01:33:24   buying them outright that's just an [TS]

01:33:25   investment so all they have denied is [TS]

01:33:27   the investment didn't even bother to [TS]

01:33:28   deny buying them outright [TS]

01:33:30   so I feel like this is a bad job from [TS]

01:33:32   corporate PR if you're going to do the [TS]

01:33:34   thing where you just deny everything but [TS]

01:33:35   it's sure not either way obviously it [TS]

01:33:37   seemed like the goal of PR was no no [TS]

01:33:39   forget everything you heard it's all bs [TS]

01:33:41   we just fine go ahead and do that and [TS]

01:33:43   you know three years later going to be [TS]

01:33:45   different either way [TS]

01:33:46   yes deny everything you can't issue a [TS]

01:33:47   denial that you forget to deny one of [TS]

01:33:49   the possibilities because now i can't [TS]

01:33:51   help but read that and say oh so I guess [TS]

01:33:52   they're not investing in you they bought [TS]

01:33:54   you out but maybe setting aside the [TS]

01:33:56   corporate PR speak my question all this [TS]

01:33:58   is of all the car companies in the world [TS]

01:34:00   that Apple is going to buy does it make [TS]

01:34:04   sense that they would by McLaren [TS]

01:34:05   obviously Tesla doesn't want them [TS]

01:34:07   because they're mad at each other and [TS]

01:34:08   whatever right because that we've talked [TS]

01:34:10   about that deal in the past like they [TS]

01:34:11   would be a good fit but that must be it [TS]

01:34:14   doesn't want to do it and you know it's [TS]

01:34:16   whatever they they have some bad blood [TS]

01:34:18   there that marriage doesn't seem like [TS]

01:34:19   it's gonna happen although we make sense [TS]

01:34:21   strategically for both companies of a [TS]

01:34:23   balanced again two cars but mclaren but [TS]

01:34:26   like should tell me the synergies yeah I [TS]

01:34:29   don't I mean I don't know anything about [TS]

01:34:31   mclaren but I i thought the same thing [TS]

01:34:35   of like you know if if Apple is really [TS]

01:34:37   making a car and if they really are you [TS]

01:34:41   know if it's what we expected to be [TS]

01:34:43   which would be most likely only electric [TS]

01:34:46   cars [TS]

01:34:48   slightly for the mass market starting at [TS]

01:34:51   the high end probably first and then [TS]

01:34:53   coming down you know over time as they [TS]

01:34:55   could [TS]

01:34:55   that's what i'm doing right like it [TS]

01:34:58   seems like that's why like if you think [TS]

01:35:00   they would Apple buying the car company [TS]

01:35:02   if they want to get to the car business [TS]

01:35:03   it seems like that test was the obvious [TS]

01:35:05   one to buy because it seems like [TS]

01:35:07   whatever Apple do in the car business [TS]

01:35:09   would be very close to what Tesla is [TS]

01:35:11   already doing in the car business and [TS]

01:35:13   and they're just be like lots of [TS]

01:35:15   duplicated effort for Apple to reach [TS]

01:35:17   more tests already is so or the other [TS]

01:35:19   angle is the thing that neither Tesla [TS]

01:35:21   nor apples are good at Tesla is a newish [TS]

01:35:23   car company they haven't been building [TS]

01:35:25   cars are very long their rental cars are [TS]

01:35:26   based on lotus things like an apple has [TS]

01:35:28   never built the car one of the one of [TS]

01:35:32   the other investment or strategic [TS]

01:35:34   partnership or purchase things you do is [TS]

01:35:36   find a company that has been building [TS]

01:35:38   cars forever and kind of knows how to do [TS]

01:35:41   that in the way that has been done in [TS]

01:35:42   the past a company with car [TS]

01:35:44   manufacturing experience mass car [TS]

01:35:46   manufacturing experience that doesn't [TS]

01:35:48   have that apple doesn't have that so you [TS]

01:35:49   could also do maybe they go with like a [TS]

01:35:51   hundred or something because it's like [TS]

01:35:52   Oh or Toyota or the BMW we keep hearing [TS]

01:35:55   I'm talking to be in w about things and [TS]

01:35:57   those companies that do that you know [TS]

01:35:59   whatever the company's called Magnus [TS]

01:36:00   tier or whatever that does like the you [TS]

01:36:02   know that subcontractor for BMW that was [TS]

01:36:05   kind of deals makes sense to me because [TS]

01:36:06   it's complimentary apples bring one [TS]

01:36:08   thing but they don't know how to make a [TS]

01:36:09   car and that respect [TS]

01:36:11   Tesla certainly know how to make a car [TS]

01:36:13   either they're just kind of figuring out [TS]

01:36:14   as they go along they're doing a good [TS]

01:36:15   job but they don't have the years and [TS]

01:36:17   years of experience in terms of like the [TS]

01:36:18   Toyota assembly line and mass market [TS]

01:36:20   things [TS]

01:36:21   mclaren does not make a lot of cars [TS]

01:36:24   let's be honest they don't know how to [TS]

01:36:25   write thousands and thousands and [TS]

01:36:26   thousands of cars [TS]

01:36:28   yes the only synergy IC is mcLaren has [TS]

01:36:30   that Apple aesthetic where everything is [TS]

01:36:32   beautiful and clean and super expensive [TS]

01:36:34   and that the pictures of the factory are [TS]

01:36:36   amazing and did you see that a what is [TS]

01:36:39   that netflix thing it's some supercar [TS]

01:36:41   thing at apex the story of the supercar [TS]

01:36:44   something it's on netflix it's a [TS]

01:36:45   documentary it's so-so but you get to [TS]

01:36:47   see a lot of shots of the inside of the [TS]

01:36:49   factories of these various carmakers [TS]

01:36:51   less so for our because i have a feeling [TS]

01:36:52   for I didn't want to participate in this [TS]

01:36:54   at all just kind of a shame but you can [TS]

01:36:55   kind of tell we couldn't get much access [TS]

01:36:58   to for anyway [TS]

01:36:59   everything looks beautiful mclaren car [TS]

01:37:01   factory [TS]

01:37:01   looks like you would imagine aplicar [TS]

01:37:03   factor would look but guess what they're [TS]

01:37:05   building supercars there they're [TS]

01:37:07   building cars that cost hundreds of [TS]

01:37:09   thousands of dollars that is not one the [TS]

01:37:12   the tree that Apple's barking up and by [TS]

01:37:14   the way they also have an f1 team and [TS]

01:37:16   they all do a bunch of other stuff that [TS]

01:37:17   is not really have any particular [TS]

01:37:19   synergy with Apple maybe Apple might [TS]

01:37:21   someday make a car or something really [TS]

01:37:22   good cars is Apple gonna get the f1 no I [TS]

01:37:25   feel like we're reaching yeah that's the [TS]

01:37:27   thing i mean like if Apple were to buy [TS]

01:37:29   or strategically invest a lot in another [TS]

01:37:32   car company I would you would expect it [TS]

01:37:35   to be somebody who makes a lot of cars [TS]

01:37:37   or who already has the kind of car in [TS]

01:37:40   development or the kind of skills that [TS]

01:37:42   apple would be using for things like [TS]

01:37:43   electric cars mclaren seems to have [TS]

01:37:46   neither of those you know it's a very [TS]

01:37:47   different company [TS]

01:37:49   yeah if i had to put for them you know a [TS]

01:37:51   company that maybe might be it may I [TS]

01:37:53   said maybe nissan because they have the [TS]

01:37:54   leaf project that actual please come [TS]

01:37:57   here nobody away but now look nice on is [TS]

01:38:00   a company that needs a lot of design [TS]

01:38:01   help let's be honest I get a lot of [TS]

01:38:03   helping every area of making cars at [TS]

01:38:05   this point they are really lost their [TS]

01:38:07   way lately [TS]

01:38:08   yeah but mostly mostly in design choices [TS]

01:38:10   with it but they do have is a successful [TS]

01:38:13   electric car that that is already like [TS]

01:38:15   they already have a lot of the stuff [TS]

01:38:17   required to do that they have a massive [TS]

01:38:19   network of factories showrooms dealers [TS]

01:38:22   service centers parts like they have all [TS]

01:38:25   the stuff that is hard and they can make [TS]

01:38:27   lots of cars at reasonable prices like [TS]

01:38:29   these are all the challenges of like [TS]

01:38:31   doing a new car company especially a new [TS]

01:38:33   consumer-focused car company that's [TS]

01:38:36   that's going to try to sell lots of car [TS]

01:38:37   so a company maybe not exactly nissan [TS]

01:38:40   but a company like Nissan would make way [TS]

01:38:42   more sense to invest in or partner with [TS]

01:38:44   order to outright by if that was [TS]

01:38:45   possible that would make way more sense [TS]

01:38:48   if Apple wants to do what we think [TS]

01:38:51   they're trying to do then malevolent by [TS]

01:38:54   Nissan pleased with the car companies i [TS]

01:38:57   mean i would say you'd be better off [TS]

01:38:58   buying GM the Nissan that's how bad i [TS]

01:39:00   think wow that's a lot i would say in in [TS]

01:39:04   Matt transport this idea in my head what [TS]

01:39:07   about lotus like one of that 1i have [TS]

01:39:10   they have design and design [TS]

01:39:12   aesthetically and chassis design fish [TS]

01:39:15   I'll apple doesn't need the aesthetic [TS]

01:39:17   part of it the chassis design sure but [TS]

01:39:19   the chassis design for sort of these [TS]

01:39:21   beautiful extremely low volume racing [TS]

01:39:24   cars that Apple is not making and the [TS]

01:39:27   lowest cars are lightweight and don't [TS]

01:39:28   have giant battery packs in them i slept [TS]

01:39:31   with that being the tesla roadster was [TS]

01:39:33   effectively lotus elise wasn't it i mean [TS]

01:39:35   i but Louis didn't put that battery in [TS]

01:39:37   there a lot of muscle behind the back [TS]

01:39:39   seat when the thing is like you can look [TS]

01:39:40   at what Tesla has done in a relatively [TS]

01:39:42   short time and apple there's no reason [TS]

01:39:45   why Apple couldn't do the same kinds of [TS]

01:39:46   things like it [TS]

01:39:48   the basics of just like making an [TS]

01:39:50   electric car getting it you know [TS]

01:39:52   designed built certified safe on the [TS]

01:39:55   road and getting it into people's hands [TS]

01:39:57   getting a sales network going getting a [TS]

01:39:59   charging network going if they're not [TS]

01:40:00   going to use standards like get all that [TS]

01:40:03   stuff [TS]

01:40:04   Tesla did it so Apple could do it to [TS]

01:40:06   plausibly like Tesla did in a relatively [TS]

01:40:07   short time you know relative people like [TS]

01:40:09   Nissan making a relatively short time [TS]

01:40:11   with a lot of budget constraints that [TS]

01:40:14   and a lot of like trying to prove the [TS]

01:40:17   idea first two people and try to get [TS]

01:40:19   people to even consider an all-electric [TS]

01:40:22   car and especially a very expensive one [TS]

01:40:24   so you know Tesla had to do it [TS]

01:40:26   themselves and they did so at Apple [TS]

01:40:28   could like there's nothing stopping her [TS]

01:40:30   from doing it where Apple would need [TS]

01:40:32   help is in the more mass market stuff so [TS]

01:40:35   yeah they can make their own chassis [TS]

01:40:36   they don't they don't need someone else [TS]

01:40:37   to to make a chassis if they if they [TS]

01:40:39   feel like it they don't need someone [TS]

01:40:41   else to do design whatever McLaren's [TS]

01:40:43   designing Apple would have their own [TS]

01:40:45   opinions and that you know it's because [TS]

01:40:47   it's almost like it like if you're [TS]

01:40:50   buying a house if you're looking at [TS]

01:40:52   houses to buy and you walk in to one and [TS]

01:40:54   there's like this but this like a [TS]

01:40:56   two-year-old you know some nearly brand [TS]

01:40:59   new kitchen and it's all designed the [TS]

01:41:02   wrong way but you're just like man like [TS]

01:41:04   it would be really wasteful to buy this [TS]

01:41:07   place and to hate this kitchen even [TS]

01:41:10   because it's brand-new and what you can [TS]

01:41:12   do like remodel a brand new place that's [TS]

01:41:14   incredibly wasteful like that's that's [TS]

01:41:16   bad you know that I think mclaren being [TS]

01:41:18   involved in the design of the apple cart [TS]

01:41:20   we have a similar thing like you have an [TS]

01:41:22   already established highly opinionated [TS]

01:41:24   design company here that would conflict [TS]

01:41:26   with whatever Apple want it [TS]

01:41:28   designed to be so you don't want like [TS]

01:41:30   two very opinionated people on the same [TS]

01:41:33   thing for fighting for power that's the [TS]

01:41:34   same problems that the whole reason why [TS]

01:41:36   Apple probably will never buy Tesla [TS]

01:41:38   because like Elon Musk would not let [TS]

01:41:40   that happen because he doesn't want to [TS]

01:41:42   have apple come in and tell him what to [TS]

01:41:43   do he wants to do things his way because [TS]

01:41:45   he you know he's running the show and [TS]

01:41:47   he's done pretty well so far all things [TS]

01:41:49   considered [TS]

01:41:50   so like he doesn't want to come in and [TS]

01:41:51   tell them what to do like so if Apple's [TS]

01:41:54   going to buy or substantially partner [TS]

01:41:56   with another company is going to have [TS]

01:41:58   the kind of relationship where the other [TS]

01:42:00   company will do this stuff Apple sees as [TS]

01:42:03   boring maybe beneath them or like just [TS]

01:42:06   really uninteresting and apple will do [TS]

01:42:09   the stuff that Apple likes to do so [TS]

01:42:11   software you are designed so the other [TS]

01:42:13   thing is the notes related to this is [TS]

01:42:15   this is another story from you know a 10 [TS]

01:42:18   days or so ago with about a rumor that [TS]

01:42:20   apple has changed the focus of their car [TS]

01:42:23   project shifting from emphasis on [TS]

01:42:24   designing and producing an automobile to [TS]

01:42:26   building out the underlying technology [TS]

01:42:28   for an autonomous vehicle that's a quote [TS]

01:42:30   from this story that will link that was [TS]

01:42:32   the New York Times actually so yeah it's [TS]

01:42:34   like hey we're not building a car [TS]

01:42:35   anymore instead we are whatever-the-hell [TS]

01:42:37   building out the underlying technology [TS]

01:42:41   for an autonomous vehicle it makes it [TS]

01:42:42   sound like they're making like [TS]

01:42:43   self-driving software but you can't [TS]

01:42:45   really do that without a target car so [TS]

01:42:47   I'm not quite sure I mean this is kind [TS]

01:42:48   of the the trickle out of the rumor that [TS]

01:42:50   we had been hearing for many months [TS]

01:42:51   about oh the project tighten the car [TS]

01:42:54   project has had this big reorg and Big [TS]

01:42:56   Bob Mansfield's come in and and [TS]

01:42:58   reshuffle things and so that that seems [TS]

01:43:01   like I think that's happening but a big [TS]

01:43:03   reorganize reshuffling I don't we don't [TS]

01:43:04   know the details and so this is the [TS]

01:43:05   first trying to pin it down sale really [TS]

01:43:07   happen is they're shifting the emphasis [TS]

01:43:10   under the from designing and producing a [TS]

01:43:12   car that you don't like shift that was [TS]

01:43:14   like you're making a car you're not [TS]

01:43:15   making a car you can't accidentally make [TS]

01:43:16   a car like you know that's that's a [TS]

01:43:18   pretty big shifts like so are we going [TS]

01:43:21   to manufacture building sell a metal [TS]

01:43:23   thing with wheels are we not are we just [TS]

01:43:25   going to work on like software and [TS]

01:43:27   either so i don't know i don't know what [TS]

01:43:28   the hell's going on [TS]

01:43:29   all i know is this project spend a lot [TS]

01:43:31   of money and we've talked about it for a [TS]

01:43:32   long time and there's still no car so [TS]

01:43:33   chop-chop Apple you got maybe make three [TS]

01:43:36   more years to show something for this I [TS]

01:43:38   mean from these stories coming out to it [TS]

01:43:40   sounds like they're still everything [TS]

01:43:42   still in a lot of flux so it sounds like [TS]

01:43:44   whatever Apple is doing is probably not [TS]

01:43:47   imminent know we always expect like 20 [TS]

01:43:49   20 but at this point I feel like you [TS]

01:43:51   have to decide if you're you know you [TS]

01:43:52   haven't decided whether you're building [TS]

01:43:53   your car yet I don't see you having a [TS]

01:43:55   car to sound 2020 like it takes a long [TS]

01:43:57   time for these things so I don't know [TS]

01:43:58   what's going to if you're like a [TS]

01:43:59   restructuring the place and laying off [TS]

01:44:01   people like now in in late 2016 that's [TS]

01:44:05   that doesn't bode well for 2020 launch [TS]

01:44:07   date of a brand-new car like that's a [TS]

01:44:09   car is a lot harder to ship then other [TS]

01:44:12   things like it's there's a lot involved [TS]

01:44:13   here [TS]

01:44:14   yeah and i can imagine that partner like [TS]

01:44:16   bringing mclaren back in like that it's [TS]

01:44:17   not fun because of the the aesthetics [TS]

01:44:19   are so similar and because you can [TS]

01:44:21   imagine i'm starting with something [TS]

01:44:22   expensive it wouldn't be ridiculous for [TS]

01:44:24   them to partner mclaren would help the [TS]

01:44:27   manufacturer this electric car that's [TS]

01:44:28   like Apple and McLaren co-branded [TS]

01:44:32   high-end like that apple's version of [TS]

01:44:33   the tesla roadster that's like I don't [TS]

01:44:35   know I feel like that would just be a [TS]

01:44:37   weird thing to do but there are [TS]

01:44:39   synergies here companies do stuff with [TS]

01:44:40   each other all the time everyone's [TS]

01:44:41   entitled hybrid systems Volvo's [TS]

01:44:43   reselling its self-driving stuff people [TS]

01:44:46   using transmissions from all the entire [TS]

01:44:48   fleet of part sellers like CF and [TS]

01:44:50   everything that the supply parts of the [TS]

01:44:52   entire industry like in the car world [TS]

01:44:55   it's not as if there are these islands [TS]

01:44:56   that make our so I think anybody BMW all [TS]

01:44:58   these rumors you've heard apples been [TS]

01:44:59   talking to BWW ever would totally be [TS]

01:45:01   willing to partner with apple and any [TS]

01:45:02   kind of thing that they want to do [TS]

01:45:03   related to cars [TS]

01:45:04   I just keep going back to Apple Design [TS]

01:45:06   about what do you want to do because [TS]

01:45:08   there's lots of car companies that will [TS]

01:45:09   partner with you in various ways this [TS]

01:45:11   probably car companies that will let you [TS]

01:45:13   buy them probably including these on [TS]

01:45:14   because you know I don't think mclaren [TS]

01:45:17   would let the bottoms out there and [TS]

01:45:18   hurting for money at this point but [TS]

01:45:21   there are so many possibilities albums [TS]

01:45:23   needs to decide what it is they want to [TS]

01:45:26   do because it's fine to waffle and [TS]

01:45:28   secrecy but at this point the car [TS]

01:45:30   project is practically an open secret [TS]

01:45:31   even Tim Cook can't help but like [TS]

01:45:33   hinting at it and if you have nothing to [TS]

01:45:35   show for that five years from now like [TS]

01:45:37   that in one respect like it's good that [TS]

01:45:39   Apple didn't ship something crappy but [TS]

01:45:40   another respect that's a hell of a moon [TS]

01:45:43   like its find out of products on cancel [TS]

01:45:45   the one they don't work out but allowing [TS]

01:45:47   a project that's assuming this much [TS]

01:45:48   money to go on for you know five or ten [TS]

01:45:50   years like a certain point it's not [TS]

01:45:53   going to be you know it's sunk cost [TS]

01:45:55   fallacy is making me not want to cancel [TS]

01:45:56   and canceling it may still be the right [TS]

01:45:57   thing to do but canceling at five years [TS]

01:46:00   earlier would have been the writer think [TS]

01:46:02   to do so to go back a step [TS]

01:46:06   when we were discussing who could Apple [TS]

01:46:08   by that was the answer [TS]

01:46:10   let me throw a really really peculiar [TS]

01:46:12   idea to you about BMW because according [TS]

01:46:16   I'd like i don't i don't really [TS]

01:46:17   understand how all this business stuff [TS]

01:46:19   works because I actually you know doom [TS]

01:46:21   do work for a living instead of just you [TS]

01:46:23   know running around talking about stuff [TS]

01:46:24   but the owners BMW are Stefan or stefan [TS]

01:46:30   quandt Susan Suzanne clottin who i [TS]

01:46:32   believe is also a quant by birth the two [TS]

01:46:34   of them own fifty percent of the company [TS]

01:46:36   public owns the other fifty percent if [TS]

01:46:37   you could convince at least one percent [TS]

01:46:39   of the public to sell with that work and [TS]

01:46:42   I mean the BMW market cap as per google [TS]

01:46:44   is 50 billion so could it be done I mean [TS]

01:46:48   they have the money if the problems by [TS]

01:46:50   those big companies like the same thing [TS]

01:46:51   with the f1 team it's not it's like if [TS]

01:46:54   you by BMW the feel like the only way [TS]

01:46:56   that's gonna fly is if you buy it with [TS]

01:46:59   the intention to continue for at least [TS]

01:47:00   the short-term continued being BMW which [TS]

01:47:04   means continuing to sell cars and no [TS]

01:47:07   regular non electric cars and hybrid [TS]

01:47:10   cars and developed like if you're not [TS]

01:47:11   gonna do that if you're buying them to [TS]

01:47:13   say okay and all existing BMW lines are [TS]

01:47:15   cancelled like you just killed half the [TS]

01:47:16   value of the company and then the [TS]

01:47:18   question is does Apple want to continue [TS]

01:47:20   running BMW as BMW as like a claris type [TS]

01:47:24   thing like a wholly-owned subsidiary [TS]

01:47:25   that your content to continue to follow [TS]

01:47:27   BMWs plan for future car slowly [TS]

01:47:30   transitioning to electric doing all that [TS]

01:47:31   stuff [TS]

01:47:32   well in the meantime also doing some [TS]

01:47:33   apple ii think it's much better and much [TS]

01:47:35   simpler when you can buy companies that [TS]

01:47:37   like apples all the time these little [TS]

01:47:39   companies that you can entirely consumed [TS]

01:47:42   and say whatever the hell you're working [TS]

01:47:43   on before that's great and everything [TS]

01:47:44   but we are either taking the technology [TS]

01:47:47   from it or just taking the employees or [TS]

01:47:48   just like it's going to transform and [TS]

01:47:51   come out as an apple product [TS]

01:47:52   the products you were making before are [TS]

01:47:55   gone even if we use like the color [TS]

01:47:56   technology the people whatever you have [TS]

01:47:59   just become part of Apple you can't do [TS]

01:48:01   it tmw can't buy them and say forget [TS]

01:48:03   about all those cars that you're making [TS]

01:48:04   before no one will ever see them again [TS]

01:48:06   from now on we just take you and all [TS]

01:48:08   your expertise and and factories and [TS]

01:48:10   people and designers and we'll make an [TS]

01:48:12   apple cart i think that doesn't fly [TS]

01:48:13   because it destroys too much value [TS]

01:48:15   that's currently in BMW [TS]

01:48:17   I mean that's fair but they took beats [TS]

01:48:19   and beats still largely beats isn't it I [TS]

01:48:22   mean I don't feel that yeah that's the [TS]

01:48:24   clearest thing wholly-owned subsidiary [TS]

01:48:26   with its own brand but that's that's a [TS]

01:48:28   pretty big exception and that is be [TS]

01:48:30   still the biggest acquisition it might [TS]

01:48:32   be i would assume anyway that's a that's [TS]

01:48:35   a weird one we talked about at the time [TS]

01:48:36   do they get the state beat through the [TS]

01:48:37   big mammals headphones they stay beats [TS]

01:48:39   but I think continuing to sell [TS]

01:48:40   headphones is much easier fit than apple [TS]

01:48:43   saying we want to buy this company that [TS]

01:48:45   makes a whole line of cars sure and [TS]

01:48:47   continue to sell the whole line of cars [TS]

01:48:49   like it's not as of apple bought beats [TS]

01:48:51   an apple had been making its own line of [TS]

01:48:53   beats like headphones for years and then [TS]

01:48:54   continue to sell both of them like it [TS]

01:48:56   didn't just didn't have headphones like [TS]

01:48:58   that and now it doesn't and it's brandon [TS]

01:48:59   his beats and Clarence's the counter [TS]

01:49:01   example where they spun off [TS]

01:49:02   quote-unquote this company to make all [TS]

01:49:04   these things and it just kind of [TS]

01:49:05   withered on the vine is still out there [TS]

01:49:07   I think but it never really it was never [TS]

01:49:10   really allowed to fly free and nor was [TS]

01:49:12   it like supported by the apple [TS]

01:49:14   mothership in a way that could make it [TS]

01:49:15   really succeed i think also mean the big [TS]

01:49:17   reason why wouldn't I BMW is that BMW is [TS]

01:49:20   the anti apple their cars are full of [TS]

01:49:24   buttons there just buttons for [TS]

01:49:27   everything there's buttons everywhere [TS]

01:49:28   there's physical knobs and buttons [TS]

01:49:30   sometimes is not a button to sink the [TS]

01:49:32   right-left climate control here [TS]

01:49:34   yeah goodness [TS]