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0:00:02- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 290.

0:00:12It is made possible this week by our sponsors,

0:00:14StoryWorth, UNI, and Hover.

0:00:17My name is Stephen Hackett

0:00:18and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Petici.

0:00:20- Ciao, Stephen.

0:00:21- Hola.

0:00:23- Hi, how are you?

0:00:24- I'm good, how are you?

0:00:25- I'm good, actually, yes, I'm very good.

0:00:28- I'm glad to hear that.

0:00:29joined by our friend Myke Hurley. If WWDC is the week of June 22nd it will

0:00:37coincide over episode 300 so we can all wait for that. Go 22 then! We're team 22

0:00:45now. Team June 22. Yes there's no way it's the first week of June now I mean

0:00:49they can do it any time. It's not gonna be the first week no not at all it's not gonna be the

0:00:53first week but that's the fourth week but it's still a full week. I think it

0:00:56Maybe the week before.

0:00:58The first week of June starts with the first, right?

0:01:00- You know it's gonna be like, $2.99, right?

0:01:02And it's just like, you've ruined it for everyone.

0:01:04- Well, that's the most connected thing.

0:01:06- That's true, actually.

0:01:07- It would actually be perfect.

0:01:08- Episode 200, y'all weren't on.

0:01:11Or whatever it was.

0:01:12- Oh, yeah, yeah, episode 200,

0:01:14me and Federico were both on holiday.

0:01:16- I had John and Underscore on, I think?

0:01:18- I think so.

0:01:19- Or John and Casey, I don't remember.

0:01:20- You haven't asked Myke how he's doing.

0:01:22- Oh, I'm sorry, Myke, how are you?

0:01:25- Terrible.

0:01:26No.

0:01:27You actually, you had Casey and John.

0:01:30Casey, Liz and John Voorhees were your guests.

0:01:33But you're terrible?

0:01:34Yeah.

0:01:35I'm sorry.

0:01:36No.

0:01:37Let's see if we can cheer you up because we have a lot of fun nerd stuff to talk about.

0:01:41Can we just like nerd out for an hour and a half?

0:01:43Oh yeah.

0:01:44We have a bunch of follow up and I made a promise to y'all that I haven't been able

0:01:48to keep.

0:01:49So last time we spoke about me hooking my Mac Pro up to a bunch of, or like an old Apple

0:01:54studio display and I had some issues with that and testing but it was something that

0:01:59only eBay could fix and I hope to have that ready for y'all next week.

0:02:03So did you like to send it to eBay?

0:02:07Well no I had to buy a couple things on eBay.

0:02:10I had this video adapter that was bad and then this other issue it was like it basically

0:02:14all fell apart but I really want to do it so I plan on having that ready for next week's

0:02:17show so I guess stay tuned if you're ready for that hot content.

0:02:21I am.

0:02:22It'll be longer than my iPod Nanotubes video though, I promise.

0:02:26YouTube faker of your one minute video.

0:02:29People are mad about that.

0:02:30How dare you.

0:02:31It wasn't even a minute.

0:02:33Before the end card it's like 46 seconds and some people thought it was a teaser.

0:02:38I was like, "Nope, that's the video."

0:02:40I like that thinking, right?

0:02:43What is a teaser for?

0:02:45What is the longer video that could be done about iPod Nanotubes which were just little

0:02:51rubber cases for iPod nano. You learned everything you need to know in the video

0:02:57there were five colors it was 29 bucks for the set and they were terrible. Kind

0:03:01of difficult to get in your pocket. Yeah yeah really hard to get off the end. I

0:03:05completely forgotten about those until... was this a new acquisition for you? No

0:03:11so okay so I tell you what happened so in looking for the parts I needed for the

0:03:15studio display project I found a set of these in a box in my office I didn't

0:03:21I had them. Oh, and I was like, oh I'll do a little like thing on this in the meantime

0:03:25And then I read about them is like there's nothing here

0:03:28And then I thought I should make a video about nothing and that's what I did

0:03:32Do you think that this is I mean

0:03:34This is definitely going to happen more to you in your life that you come across things. You didn't know that you owned

0:03:38Oh, yeah concerning realization

0:03:40As long as it doesn't become oh, I didn't know that there was like a fourth kid running around the house

0:03:45I think that's the line but you know, I got a lot of computers it things get out hand and a lot kids just three

0:03:51So that's a lot. It's 300% more than you. Is that how math works?

0:03:56I think it could be any, right? Like 3000%?

0:04:00That's a lot of computers per capita in your house, Stephen.

0:04:04Oh yeah, it's a very high density.

0:04:10I have four computers in arm's reach right now. Five, actually. And the per capita is

0:04:17still way higher in your home.

0:04:19Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's like, I don't know.

0:04:22I would like for you not only on next week's episode to come to the show with your answer

0:04:29about can you run the old studio display from Mac Pro, but also the what is the computer

0:04:36per capita in the Hackett household. And we can make this like a universal connected standard

0:04:44that everybody else can convert to and from.

0:04:47Does CPC the computer per capita?

0:04:49Yeah, okay, but like you know how you know how like most not most but like a lot of

0:04:54Measurements have like a physical thing that they were attached to like what is it?

0:05:00Is it like the kilogram kilogram which was updated last year?

0:05:03Yeah, where they like the kilogram is an actual thing and then everything's measured to the kilogram

0:05:08Yeah, like the CPC can be or as David and the chat room says we could just call it the Hackett number

0:05:14Which is great. The Hackett number is the

0:05:18Equivalent of computer per capita. Yeah that all connected listeners can job that

0:05:23That David in the chat room was on Mac power users last week Wow nepotism

0:05:27All right, so I will work on that. Okay, so I need some rules. Are we just talking about computers?

0:05:34Does it include iPads and iPhones or just like what is this? What is a computer? Come on?

0:05:40No, I think you draw the line on iPad iPad not

0:05:44Okay, iPad and up. iPad and up. So no iPhone no watch? No iPhone no watch.

0:05:50That's how I would because I don't think of phones as computers. Okay, so computer. Okay, so iPads, Apple IIs.

0:05:56No video game consoles. Yeah, that's fine. I just have a couple. Gaming PC is a computer though.

0:06:02I don't have any of those. But if you did it would it would count. Yeah, okay.

0:06:06So iPads, Macs, PCs, Apple IIs. No Apple TV.

0:06:11You know how we can we can like make the distinction now like we can actually do it now a computer is can you attach a

0:06:17Keyboard and mouse to it. Well, though that doesn't really work because if you ever you could do that with a game cube

0:06:22so

0:06:25Asterisk not gaming console

0:06:28Okay, so I've had enough I think we know what that means

0:06:33No, no game consoles. It is a keyboard with an Apple TV. I think you can no game console

0:06:41or set top boxes.

0:06:43- Yeah.

0:06:44Do you have a lot of those?

0:06:45- I will report back.

0:06:47Do you want, okay, okay, I know what I can do.

0:06:49I will report back next week.

0:06:51That's what I'm doing with my weekend, it's counting.

0:06:54- What else you got to do?

0:06:55- It will actually be good, that's true,

0:06:57I can't go anywhere.

0:06:58That actually be good.

0:06:59- It's probably time to run inventory.

0:07:00- That's the thing, I know the inventory on my site

0:07:03is out of date, but I don't know how, so.

0:07:05'Cause at some point--

0:07:06- You have an inventory on your website?

0:07:07- Yeah.

0:07:08You know where you should put this database, Steven?

0:07:12If you say Notion--

0:07:13Notion.

0:07:13No.

0:07:14[LAUGHTER]

0:07:19There is a collection.

0:07:20Yeah, I'll put it in the show notes.

0:07:22512pixels.net/projects/applause.

0:07:25Have you heard of Notion?

0:07:27Have you heard of Notion?

0:07:28Is it in Notion?

0:07:29I have.

0:07:30Have you heard of Notion?

0:07:31You should put it in Notion.

0:07:33All right.

0:07:33So there's that page.

0:07:34I have it in the show notes.

0:07:36I will update this as well as I go through it.

0:07:38- What about X-Serves?

0:07:39They count as computers.

0:07:40Servers are computers.

0:07:41- Yes, they do.

0:07:42- Okay, now for some real follow-up.

0:07:46We've been talking about old pages on Apple's website,

0:07:49and Andrew pointed us to what frankly is an amazing,

0:07:54amazing page because it is completely intact.

0:07:57It is the feedback page for Aperture.

0:07:59So let me just read you some from this page, if I may.

0:08:02To contact the Aperture team,

0:08:04begin by selecting your feedback or request type.

0:08:07Use the form below to send us your comments.

0:08:08We read all feedback, but are unable to respond

0:08:11to each submission individually.

0:08:13Here are the request types.

0:08:14Help, report a problem, report a problem with a book,

0:08:18Aperture doesn't support my camera,

0:08:21I have a feature request.

0:08:22Federico, you will be happy to know,

0:08:27because I'm sure you've forgotten,

0:08:28I wrote a thing on Mac Stories about Aperture

0:08:30that we can have in the show.

0:08:31- Yes, I do remember that, I also remember that.

0:08:32And in using this website, I also found a link

0:08:35the Aperture discussion forums, and I will tell you that this person named Terrence Devlin has

0:08:41been very active on the forums. Terrence has a bunch of issues with Aperture. For example,

0:08:47difference in file size between Aperture versus QuickTime, and then alt caps "please help".

0:08:52He was interviewed 18 times. This is a recent post?

0:08:59This is a recent post from actually yesterday.

0:09:05Wow!

0:09:06Give me a link!

0:09:07Give me a link!

0:09:10There's still people here.

0:09:13Wow!

0:09:14What help do you think you're going to get for this software now?

0:09:18I don't know.

0:09:19I don't know, but for example, let's see, fellow Aperture user Isaac had a potential

0:09:26solution for Terrence.

0:09:28I feel like this is a whole drama going on here.

0:09:30I already sort of care about these characters in these forums.

0:09:34There's a lot of people having conversations.

0:09:39Leoni is also quite active here.

0:09:41We covered this.

0:09:42Remember, we made fun of Aperture once and people yelled at us for like a month who were

0:09:45still using it.

0:09:46Oh my god, yeah, I forgot about that.

0:09:48That was this podcast!

0:09:49Oh yeah, we had a whole thing and then it was like we did a lot of follow-up.

0:09:56So we're just gonna stop here.

0:09:57We're just gonna walk away. Mm-hmm. I feel like it's too late at this point. Next in follow-up,

0:10:03you can buy a refurbished 2019 Mac Pro, if that's what you want to do. They're out there.

0:10:09How much can you save? Well, according to the MacRumors article, you can save $4,000 on a 16

0:10:16core model that happens to be on sale. Now that computer's $23,000, but hey, it's $4,000. Oh,

0:10:21Big savings.

0:10:23Yeah, yeah.

0:10:24Yeah, any savings big if you're starting at that level.

0:10:29It's true.

0:10:30Sure.

0:10:31That's economies of scale right there.

0:10:32It's up to like 15% on some models, which is cool.

0:10:35You know, if you were in the market

0:10:36and wanted a little bit of a discount.

0:10:39This brought up a question though,

0:10:41I don't know who put this in the show notes.

0:10:42Someone in the show notes asked, Myke asked,

0:10:44"Have we ever bought a refurbished computer?"

0:10:47Myke, let's start with you.

0:10:48I haven't, but I've looked at it a bunch of times and the buying refurbished from Apple

0:10:55has always been a thing of like every time I've looked at it, it's never been that much

0:10:59of a saving.

0:11:01Now like this may have changed over time.

0:11:03Like I mean, this is a good saving.

0:11:0415% is a good saving because that's a lot of money if you're spending like 15 grand

0:11:09on a computer or whatever.

0:11:10But just like whenever I have been in the market, it's either been A, the thing that

0:11:15I want they haven't got, right?

0:11:17Or it's like B, it's not worth it.

0:11:22But I would do it, right?

0:11:25If I was buying, like, if I wanted one of these Mac Pros, like if I wanted to buy a

0:11:29Mac Pro, I would get a refurbished Mac Pro.

0:11:32For sure I would.

0:11:33Because that's a lot of money you could save.

0:11:35Yeah, I never buy anything used because I don't like the thought of the previous owner

0:11:42having done something weird with that object.

0:11:44I knew you were going to say that.

0:11:46I knew that was going to be your answer.

0:11:48One of the reasons I put this question in the show notes is because I wanted Federico's

0:11:51answer because I thought it would be amusing.

0:11:54The way I am, I'm sorry.

0:11:55I sell stuff to other people, but I cannot buy anything from other people because I'm

0:12:00always going to like that object, whether it's like, I don't know, a video game console

0:12:05or a computer or like a watch or something, it's going to be on my desk and I'm going

0:12:08to look at it when it's night and it's dark and I'm going to be thinking, what has your

0:12:12owner done to you before you came to me?

0:12:14Like I can't stand that thought, honestly.

0:12:20If I was buying from like rando computer store.com, I would be a little like concerned about that

0:12:28too.

0:12:29But buying refurb from Apple, I would feel okay about it.

0:12:33Yeah, I've bought several refurbished computers and have definitely encouraged people who

0:12:38asked me in buying a machine to do that.

0:12:41They replace or at least make sure everything is up to standard.

0:12:45It's warrantied as new.

0:12:48So I don't necessarily have a problem with it.

0:12:50I definitely have done it and would do it again.

0:12:53If I was looking for something that was on the Reverb store, I would check there first.

0:12:57But a lot of people who asked me, I would point them there.

0:13:00Now buying randocomputerstore.com, by the way.

0:13:03Oh boy.

0:13:04Where are you going to point it?

0:13:05Shoot it to the relay store.

0:13:06I don't know.

0:13:07The relay store.

0:13:08Yes, perfect.

0:13:09Perfect.

0:13:10There we go.

0:13:11to put it to the Apple refurb store but the relay FM store is a better place.

0:13:16Yeah that is a relay.fm/merch out there. Or randomcomputerstore.com.

0:13:24Yeah look at these cool shirts we have for sale. Do we have shirts for sale? Yeah.

0:13:29Yeah we have the iPod one, the hat, and the challenge coin. That's the thing.

0:13:35That's the thing, challenge coin.

0:13:37I've got one right here, you wanna hear it?

0:13:39Honestly, there could just be anything.

0:13:44Yeah, like, "Oh, I got one here, do you wanna hear it?"

0:13:46"Oh, do you wanna hear this one?"

0:13:48"Oh yeah, do you wanna hear this one?"

0:13:51That was my phone, by the way.

0:13:53[laughter]

0:13:54Can a coin do this?

0:13:56Have you swallowed a coin?

0:13:58[coin sounds]

0:14:03Oh, it's doing the inception thing.

0:14:06Nice. All I know is, you give it to Jason Stell and we can't flip it. That's all I know.

0:14:10Well, I don't think Jason Snell can flip a coin. I don't think I had anything to do with the challenge coin.

0:14:13[Laughter]

0:14:17I was... Okay, okay. Alright.

0:14:19It is the year of Steven, but I will admit this could be the week of Myke.

0:14:27Oh, wait. Nah, nah, nah. This is the year of Myke.

0:14:32because now there was a Bloomberg report saying that the

0:14:36Among other things that the iPhone 12 will feature a smaller notch which is your boy's risky pic. Was it? It's my

0:14:43Risky pic. Yes, that's my Ricky

0:14:45So ruined. Yep, that means oh, yeah, that's my Ricky there it is

0:14:54Wait, it's on page

0:14:5813 of the Google Docs. And also, I just want to say my other pick, my only remaining pick that

0:15:04needs to be scored other than my Ricky says the 2020 iPhone line will feature at least one 5G

0:15:08phone. Do you know what else is in that report from Mark Gurman talking about 5G coming to the

0:15:14iPhone line? I'm going to sweep it. Of course, all my picks need to be addressed, Yul, but I think

0:15:21I think I'm still in a pretty good position.

0:15:22I don't know if you are.

0:15:24I think I'm positioning for a late 2020 sweep of the RICIs.

0:15:31Right, but how late 2020?

0:15:34Because I'm sweeping it by September, so...

0:15:36Well, you know, got to wait until the end.

0:15:41Apple podcast that launches on Android.

0:15:43Oh, Steven.

0:15:45Poor Steven.

0:15:46No, man, it's coming.

0:15:49- Is it?

0:15:51- Yeah, my face don't look great.

0:15:52(laughing)

0:15:545G, smaller notch, and the iPhone 12 would share design cues

0:15:59from the USB-C iPad Pro, which I think would be awesome.

0:16:04- Yeah, that's the way to go, yeah.

0:16:07I believe we saw the mock-ups for an iPhone

0:16:11with the same industrial design

0:16:12when the 2018 iPad Pro came out.

0:16:15And I wanna say that maybe it was,

0:16:16somebody will find a tweet somewhere.

0:16:18I think it was Sebastian DeWitt, he works on Highlight,

0:16:22the camera app, he shared the next day

0:16:26of the iPad Pro 2018 announcement,

0:16:28a mock-up of like, "Hey, what would an iPhone look like

0:16:30"with this design?"

0:16:31And everybody was like, "Yep, we love it."

0:16:34- Do it. - Let's go back to that,

0:16:35do it, and two years later,

0:16:37looks like this is finally happening.

0:16:38So combined with a smaller notch,

0:16:40I mean, this gonna look real nice, I think.

0:16:44- I think so too.

0:16:44I always loved the 4, 4S5 sort of era.

0:16:49And I think that it would be really great

0:16:50to go back to flat size.

0:16:52And I mean, every time I look at my USB-C iPad Pro,

0:16:55especially when it's out of the case,

0:16:57which I think it probably will be a lot more

0:16:58once the keyboard case shows up.

0:17:00- Yeah.

0:17:01- It is just fantastic looking.

0:17:03And I was thinking earlier, it's like,

0:17:04well, would it be weird to like have a notch

0:17:06and those flat sides,

0:17:08but if they bring over the rounded corners and stuff,

0:17:11like you'd get the best of both worlds.

0:17:13I'm really excited to see what this could look like.

0:17:16Myke, tell us about languages and keyboards.

0:17:22- Oh, you remember on the last episode,

0:17:25I was talking about the fact that I thought

0:17:27that I had my keyboard, my software keyboard,

0:17:30set incorrectly on my iPad

0:17:31because I had the American-style return key?

0:17:34Well, I heard from a bunch of listeners

0:17:35in my merry old country here

0:17:37who said that this was a change in 13.4

0:17:40because Apple did something,

0:17:42they put the British star return key into the software keyboard. So it wasn't that I

0:17:47wasn't used to seeing it. It just didn't exist before. So it was a change in 13.4.

0:17:53Never had been in the software keyboard?

0:17:54I think it might have been the iPad Pro software keyboard. Remember they changed it? The iPad

0:17:59Pro keyboard is completely different. And I think they never made the British return

0:18:04key on the software keyboard before 13.4.

0:18:07That's such a weird, like, how does that even happen?

0:18:10You're making a keyboard and you just forget.

0:18:12Like, I don't know.

0:18:13Mm-hmm.

0:18:14Well, that was a lot of follow-up,

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0:19:56support of this show and Relay FM. Alright, follow up part two. For a long time y'all

0:20:02I've been talking about the Moshi matte iPad screen protectors and after the last time we talked about it

0:20:09I ordered one and put it on my iPad Pro. That's like why?

0:20:13Yes, well, I guess spoke so highly of it and I wanted to check it out and I've got to say it is really nice

0:20:20Mmm for for a couple reasons. I like the matte finish a lot

0:20:24I learned when I was cleaning my iPad screen that I have quite a few little scratches on it and it covers all of those

0:20:31But and I like the way it feels I just I'm a huge fan you guys were totally right

0:20:36I feel like there's a catch somewhere. Do you just agree with us? No, it's great

0:20:41I really like it. Have you seen that it creates no bubbles when you install it? Yeah, how does it go on?

0:20:46Yeah, it's it's really

0:20:50It's really nice. I'm John Voorhees mentioned or maybe it was Myke

0:20:55I think it was Myke that either or either John or Myke anyway that they

0:21:01removed the the moshi cover and

0:21:04Realized how nicer and brighter the display was. Yeah, it was you

0:21:09and I got that but I still like

0:21:12It just looks so much nicer that it doesn't have all those reflections on the screen

0:21:17And also I don't see the smudges on my fingerprints as much that's also very nice plus of having the eye visor

0:21:24But yeah, my my common stance if Apple were to make a much more expensive iPad Pro with the matte option

0:21:31I would totally go for it. But they're never gonna do it.

0:21:34No, and I haven't watched really much content on it yet, so I am kind of curious, you know,

0:21:39do I feel like it's a bit muted if I watch a movie or a TV show or something? But so

0:21:43far just in everyday use it's great.

0:21:46Yeah, the only other thing that I notice is like every now and then, like I tap it and

0:21:52it feels like there's a slight like, like there's movement.

0:21:58Like a gap?

0:21:59Yeah.

0:22:00Yeah, but it isn't all the time. Yeah

0:22:03Yeah, I think I've seen that it's not all the time and it's not everywhere on the screen

0:22:08I think there's like certain areas

0:22:10When sometimes only sometimes there's a gap and I wonder if it like depends on like external conditions like humidity or temperature

0:22:17Maybe I don't know. I don't know how

0:22:19Physics, whatever it is. The no air bubbles is but it's just bananas

0:22:24Like I've taken it off one iPad and put it on another one, right? Like it's just I don't understand

0:22:28Imagine doing that with the PaperLag. You've got to block your entire afternoon just to

0:22:34install the PaperLag. It's like it's in my calendar. Install and remove PaperLag.

0:22:39I hate the installation process. It just bubbles everywhere.

0:22:47So moving on to follow up. I am very thankful to everybody who sent me their recommendations

0:22:53for potential Notion use cases. So last week I asked connected listeners if you're using

0:22:59Notion and if you have an interesting setup, if you're using Notion in a bunch of interesting

0:23:03ways let me know because I'm curious. I want to understand how people use Notion. And I

0:23:07think after having seen the... so I got a bunch of DMs because I now have my DMs open

0:23:15to... yeah, they go into the separate... well, every once in a while it's nice that somebody

0:23:21sends me something that I have not discovered myself.

0:23:24Okay. You two have both done this, so I'm gonna do this.

0:23:28Most of the time, most people send me links and they're like, "Oh, I bet Vitechy will

0:23:32like this," and I'm like, "Buddy already has the beta since five months."

0:23:40But every once in a while, every once in a while, and I mean, I always reply with, you

0:23:44know, saying, "Nice, thank you, I appreciate it," but every once in a while, somebody comes

0:23:48me with a real gem and that's why I keep my DMs open. And also it's very nice that club

0:23:54members if they have an issue they can get in touch with me directly.

0:23:57You want to be doing support in your DMs? Your emails are surely better for that.

0:24:02But DMs is faster and I can also have the little reactions now with the thumbs up and

0:24:08the heart.

0:24:09So how does it work? Is it like Instagram?

0:24:11Yeah, they go into a separate inbox.

0:24:14Yeah, it's called message requests.

0:24:15So, okay, yeah, that's like Instagram. It didn't used to be like that. No, no. They

0:24:20used to just show up. Yeah, but now now they're going to, well, they show up in tweet deck,

0:24:25which is unfortunate. Yeah, I'll use it. Yeah. Okay. Um, so in Twitter it's fine. So it's

0:24:30very nice because, uh, like I said, um, I actually discovered some pretty nice and interesting

0:24:35like apps and articles via the open DMs. So keep sending them, um, notion. So I have some

0:24:42takeaways based on what people sent me. So the vast majority of folks who got in

0:24:48touch with me about Notion, they have some kind of dashboard as their like

0:24:56main page in Notion. And if you've ever seen these Notion pages that are like

0:25:01multi-column pages that use like emoji to separate different sections and these

0:25:07These dashboards, they have these sections like task management and then habit tracking

0:25:14and then they have like inspirational quotes and all that kind of stuff.

0:25:18And it's like a dashboard where people, maybe also people like have a section where they

0:25:22keep track of like movies I've watched and all that kind of stuff.

0:25:26So very, very much geared toward...

0:25:29What does he mean by like a dashboard though?

0:25:32So in Notion, the main, one of the gimmicks of Notion is that everything can be a page.

0:25:37So the idea would be you create a master page, like a home page.

0:25:43That links to everything.

0:25:44Yeah, exactly. You separate it into multiple sections, and each section links to another page,

0:25:49and you can go into that page to fill out the data.

0:25:52Oh yeah, they have templates that look kind of like this.

0:25:55They have templates that look like that. There are websites, like one of them is called Notion VIP.

0:26:00They give you templates, they give you advanced tips, and it can get real nerdy, believe me.

0:26:05Like, you can do formulas, and you can do scripting with, like,

0:26:09if conditions in Notion.

0:26:11It's kind of wild.

0:26:12But the idea would be that, like, a lot of people, whether--

0:26:15and usually they tend to be students.

0:26:17They have these dashboards where they

0:26:19can keep track of their tasks and, like,

0:26:22habit tracking routines.

0:26:25And I don't really work like that,

0:26:28because I don't want to use Notion as a task manager.

0:26:30I have a task manager, and I don't

0:26:31want to use it as a note-taking app, because I have Apple Notes.

0:26:34And I don't-- I've tried habit trackers like Drink Water

0:26:39and-- I don't know.

0:26:42I don't like the idea of having this all-in-one solution that

0:26:46is not a dedicated app, because I'm very much of the native app

0:26:51mindset, I guess.

0:26:53The other common use case is just using tables,

0:26:59using tables in Notion a lot.

0:27:02People create all sorts of databases for movies, for games.

0:27:07People keep the read later lists in Notion

0:27:10and they organize them with tables.

0:27:13I understand the appeal of tables.

0:27:15Tables give you a sense of structure

0:27:17and especially when it's like based on the database approach

0:27:20of Notion with formulas and the fact

0:27:22that everything can be linked together.

0:27:25I get it.

0:27:26But to me, I always get the sense that people do this

0:27:29because the process of putting it together

0:27:33is more fun than it actually is useful.

0:27:36- If you enjoy putting something together,

0:27:40you're more likely to keep it up, right?

0:27:42- Yeah, yeah.

0:27:43- So that becomes the process.

0:27:45- People use it like as a CRM a lot.

0:27:49And I've only recently learned what CRM stands for.

0:27:52And I don't have a need for a CRM myself.

0:27:55I'm not saying that Notion is a product

0:27:58people shouldn't use. I'm just saying that I understand that a lot of folks love Notion

0:28:02and they use it a lot, but it's not for me. There's a scenario in which Notion was a fully

0:28:12native iPad experience, and I could imagine myself using it, but because even though it's

0:28:19gotten better on the iPad, it's not there, it still feels like a web app and it doesn't

0:28:25support. You know, this idea of like, yeah, you can you can use it as a task manager,

0:28:31you can use it as an auticking app, you can use it for research. I always tend to prefer

0:28:36apps that are dedicated to that specific task. So, you know, so I really struggled with this

0:28:44all in one approach. But it was definitely like an eye opening experience, like seeing

0:28:49all the crazy things that folks are doing in Notion. It reminds me to an extent of what

0:28:54some people do with Airtable. I do have a couple of databases in Airtable, one that I actually use

0:29:00every week. It's like this database where I keep track of the shortcuts that I've made for Cloud

0:29:05Max Service members, but that's basically the only thing I do with Airtable. And I only do it because

0:29:10I have a shortcut that saves data into that database, and it still works. Like, I created this shortcut

0:29:18in the days of Workflow, and it survived the shortcut transition, and I never bothered switching

0:29:23systems? I probably could but I just figured you know what I'm just gonna

0:29:27keep using our table with this. But yeah, I notion so far no really for me. I prefer to

0:29:33use native apps. I use it I don't use it exclusively but I use it instead of

0:29:40Evernote right and like I'm using the boat I was using Evernote before it like

0:29:45light touch you know like just keeping a bunch of stuff for the business I'm

0:29:51building Cortex brand, like keep some admin in there, some general ideas, some

0:29:54thoughts, it's just like a place to put everything in one bucket so it wasn't in

0:29:59all of my other places because I kind of wanted to keep it separate and it works

0:30:03great for that but I don't access it very often but I just preferred it to

0:30:08Evernote. I mean I've spoken about my problems with Evernote, right? They both have their

0:30:12issues with like the not feeling completely native but at least every

0:30:17time I open Notion the page doesn't flash bright in my eyes, so you know.

0:30:22There is another scenario in which I could see myself use Notion a lot, and

0:30:28that is when they actually release an API with Zapier integration, for

0:30:33example. Because right now we're using Trello at Mac stories, especially for the

0:30:38Club Mac story stuff. We have an entire system that I designed like four years

0:30:43ago at this point where people can submit questions and requests and home screens and

0:30:49all sorts of stuff and they get automatically filed into different Trello boards, actually

0:30:55into different Trello lists of the same board using Zapier.

0:31:00So it's a system that I created in 2015 and it still works amazingly well.

0:31:05I could see using Notion for this if Notion had, because I think it has more features

0:31:09than Trello in terms of linking different items together.

0:31:14I bet I could go crazy with that kind of automation,

0:31:17but Notion does not have an API

0:31:19and does not have any sorts of web automation feature

0:31:23with Zapier or IFTTT.

0:31:25So when they do, I will consider it for that

0:31:29because I wouldn't be surprised if they do it.

0:31:33I'm gonna have much more control than I have with Trello.

0:31:36So that's another scenario in which Notion could be a product for me.

0:31:40But right now it's not.

0:31:42While we're on the topic of Federico doing things, do you want to tell us about your

0:31:48charging math that showed up?

0:31:50Ah, yes.

0:31:52So remember how it was during CES?

0:31:59I remember one morning I was in bed and I was just scrolling through my unread tweets

0:32:06and RSS. And I saw this post probably on the verge about this wireless charger that promised

0:32:13to offer AirPower-like functionality, but not from Apple. It was from a company called Zense.

0:32:21And so I think I preordered it, I guess. And we talked about it on the show and we said,

0:32:30"Oh, this is never going to ship." Or, "When it's going to ship, it's going to catch on

0:32:33fire and we were all hahaha this is so funny. Or as Myke said, definitely has a fan in it.

0:32:39Myke said definitely has a fan in it. So the thing after many months arrived, surprisingly,

0:32:45so this company was not like a, it's not a scam, it was a real company turns out, and

0:32:52the product arrived, well because you know I never heard of Zense before. And so the

0:32:58thing arrived a few days ago and I opened it and realized, oh, this is one thick charger.

0:33:06It's a thick boy. It's a thick king, if you recently watched

0:33:13Brooklyn Nine-Nine, you will get the reference. Yes, so it's a very thick charger. There's

0:33:18pictures on Twitter that you can take a look at. And as Myke said, it comes with a fan.

0:33:25It has vents, multiple vents, actually.

0:33:29That just instils so much faith in me.

0:33:33Oh.

0:33:34So the thing is, when you...

0:33:38I put this charger on my nightstand.

0:33:43It's a metal nightstand, which I thought, you know, this is gonna...

0:33:46This bodes well in terms of like fire extinguishing situation.

0:33:51It's not a wooden nightstand, it's a metal nightstand.

0:33:54So worst case scenario, it's going to slowly melt, but not necessarily catch on fire immediately

0:33:59if there are any issues.

0:34:01At least that's how I think fires work.

0:34:04But as soon as you plug it in, actually very nice build quality, I want to say, very nice

0:34:09build quality, very nice charger, very nice USB-C cable for powering the charging mat.

0:34:16The problem is, as soon as you put one device on top of the charger, could be an AirPods

0:34:22case, could be an iPhone, could be another Android phone if you have one. The fans kick

0:34:29up and they start humming, start making noise. And to be fair, to be fair, it is true that

0:34:39you can put an iPhone or an AirPods case in many more orientations, like random orientations

0:34:48than, say, a Nomad charging case, for example.

0:34:52It does grant you more placement freedom

0:34:55because of the multiple coil design of the Zense charging

0:34:59mat.

0:35:00But the problem is, as soon as you put an iPhone--

0:35:04as soon as I put mine down, I could hear this...

0:35:08[mimics noise]

0:35:10noise going.

0:35:12And I thought, oh, my first reaction was,

0:35:14"Oh no, Sylvia's gonna kill me."

0:35:17Because having this thing hum all night long

0:35:21by my nightstand is a recipe for disaster.

0:35:25People have told me on Twitter,

0:35:28"Oh, it's a white noise machine.

0:35:30Why don't you, you can use it anyway."

0:35:32See, we're not those kinds of people.

0:35:34White noise machines are great if you like white noise machines. If you don't, it's just a noise.

0:35:40It's just a noise and we don't want any noise. And I especially don't want this little rocket ship

0:35:46making an engine noise on my nightstand. It just sounds dangerous to have a charging mat

0:36:00that hums along because it's got a fan inside.

0:36:05It's like, I don't, you know, I don't want it.

0:36:07I just don't want it.

0:36:09And so I-- - It's not in the soundline, me.

0:36:11- I just, I put it back in its box

0:36:13and it's now outside in the storage.

0:36:15- Oh. (laughs)

0:36:16You're not gonna use it at all?

0:36:17- Oh no, oh no.

0:36:19- That's probably the safest bet.

0:36:20- I'm gonna have to find some poor soul to send it to.

0:36:23- You got John's address.

0:36:24- You know, if they want it.

0:36:26I have John's address.

0:36:28- Better 'cause DMs are open, so.

0:36:29If you want it, send him a DM. He'll ship it to you.

0:36:32(laughing)

0:36:34- It's just, it's too bad because I really like the,

0:36:38I really like the theory of it.

0:36:41Not so much for the realization because it's, it just,

0:36:45again, even if you put your AirPods down,

0:36:47the fans start spinning.

0:36:50And I cannot imagine what's gonna happen

0:36:51if I put my AirPods on the phone and the Apple Watch,

0:36:54because I got, I even like, I want it to be like super fancy

0:36:58and go for the Apple Watch compatible version that lets you like...

0:37:01It has a USB port where you can put in an extra dongle for the watch

0:37:05and then the watch is also gonna charge.

0:37:07What's gonna happen if I put it all at once on the mat?

0:37:11Is it actually gonna take off?

0:37:13Like, can I even fall asleep with this thing going on my nightstand?

0:37:16So, yeah. It's unfortunate.

0:37:18Air power rumors heating up again.

0:37:21No pun intended.

0:37:24You been seeing that? Lots of people saying it's coming again.

0:37:27I don't see Apple doing that.

0:37:29We'll see.

0:37:31Well, there's this theory going on that I've seen on Twitter

0:37:35that there's a new prototype that is using a more recent

0:37:40Apple system on a chip that is doing

0:37:43a bunch of intelligent things to manage heat and power

0:37:48allocation, that kind of stuff.

0:37:50And I would be surprised if Apple

0:37:51didn't think of this before.

0:37:53I don't see why this could be a new thing,

0:37:56but I guess we'll see.

0:37:57- So one of the people reporting on this quite a lot

0:38:00is John Prosser, who's someone who I've been seeing

0:38:02a lot more recently with leaks,

0:38:04and it seems like he's been pretty,

0:38:07I mean he was accurate about the iPhone SE stuff

0:38:09that we're gonna talk about later on, so.

0:38:12- Yeah, but it just feels like a weird thing

0:38:14to be fixated upon if you're Apple,

0:38:16to absolutely have to figure out at all costs

0:38:20how to make a wireless charger.

0:38:22- Well.

0:38:24Why does it... At this point, why insist on that thing?

0:38:29If you were in charge of that product, you're probably pretty embarrassed.

0:38:34And I can imagine not wanting to let it go.

0:38:37I mean, sure, but there are worse things to be embarrassed about.

0:38:39I would agree with you, but if you feel like it's possible, maybe you keep trying it?

0:38:45I don't know.

0:38:45Yeah, maybe. Let's see.

0:38:49I mean, I'm definitely going to get one if they do it, that's for sure.

0:38:51so hopefully it's not gonna hum and spin.

0:38:55- Yeah, I just wonder how they talk about it,

0:38:58'cause everyone knows what happened to the first go round.

0:39:01Like, oh, this one, we figured it out.

0:39:03Like, it just seems like strange.

0:39:06- Well, you know if they are doing it,

0:39:08they won't talk about it before it's ready.

0:39:12- Oh, definitely, it's just gonna show up one day.

0:39:14- You know, maybe in the end Myke was right, after all.

0:39:17Maybe wireless charging was a bad idea.

0:39:19- Oh my.

0:39:20So we don't have time this week to get into the Apple and Google COVID-19 stuff.

0:39:25They're working together to do contact tracing and a whole bunch of other

0:39:30stuff. But Myke, you and Jason covered it on upgrade 293.

0:39:33So we'll just point people there. If you haven't heard that yet,

0:39:36y'all do a really good job explaining what Apple and Google are up to,

0:39:39the possibilities of it, the possible ramifications.

0:39:42I think you covered it really well.

0:39:43Complex evolving, big topic.

0:39:47And I didn't want to do it again.

0:39:49So, it's the one at once, it's an upgrade.

0:39:53We're gonna talk about emoji after this break.

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0:42:50All right, Myke, explain the great emoji cancellation.

0:42:54- All right, so because of COVID-19,

0:42:57Unicode 14, so version 14,

0:43:00has been delayed by at least six months

0:43:02because the Unicode Consortium

0:43:04is not going to be getting together

0:43:06to make their ruling on what emoji will be added

0:43:10into the Unicode spec.

0:43:12Unicode 14 is the 2021 set of emoji, not the 2020 set of emoji. That is Unicode 13, which we're still

0:43:22going to see later this year. So we will still be able to, in this year, 2020, play the wonderful

0:43:30emoji game that we play every year where Federico has to guess the emoji. But it may not happen in

0:43:372021 as it's most likely that these emoji will come out in 2022 now instead because

0:43:43there's always like a delay in where the emoji is set and then all of the platform vendors have to

0:43:51actually go and design them. There is a possibility of a Unicode 13.1 which would be a smaller set of

0:44:00emoji that are iterations of previous emoji. We've spoken about this before, zwg emoji, where

0:44:09it's not that there's a new emoji code point, it's that you take two existing emoji, put them

0:44:16together and the platform vendors will create a piece of artwork for that. An example of this

0:44:21is the polar bear which is coming this year I believe. All that emoji actually is is a bear

0:44:29emoji and a snowflake emoji which behind the scenes is translated into a polar bear. So

0:44:35this is where the differences of emoji of what is in the Unicode spec written into the

0:44:41spec and then what is then displayed on devices. And if for example, if somebody sent you a

0:44:48polar bear emoji but you hadn't updated to the new version of iOS, it would show as a

0:44:53bear and a snowflake. You may have seen this in the past. We're talking about Slack again,

0:44:59If you paste in an emoji that's maybe one of the newer skin tone or gender based emoji,

0:45:07you will see two emoji in its place sometimes. You might have a block next to one. That's because

0:45:12it's two emoji that have been put into one, but they're represented on the platforms as one emoji.

0:45:17There may be a 13.1 in 2021, but there won't be anything really awesome in that release,

0:45:24most likely. You're not going to get the crow emoji, which was expected for Unicode 14, for

0:45:30example. So unfortunately, emoji will be delayed. We will get a real idea as to just how much of

0:45:39iOS adoption is because of emoji, because it will most likely be at some point in 2022. So

0:45:47there will probably be two emoji releases in 2022, one earlier in the year and one later in the year.

0:45:53I'm not the only one thinking this. Can they work from home? The Unico people?

0:46:00Yes, they do. They can. The difference is the consortium is made up of people from different

0:46:09companies. But the consortium has just decided to wait. Like they're just deciding to wait

0:46:18because there's so much going on right now. I think it's kind of like...

0:46:22right. And we couldn't use a bit of fun, right? See, I don't, there's this, no, this is just

0:46:28my opinion and I take our responsibility for this, but it's also, I think that I see on

0:46:31Italian TV and I don't get it like, yes, it's important to focus on the news and share information

0:46:37and useful information, but it's like all fun has been removed from Italian television

0:46:43programming, right? Uh, everything has been, it's almost as if they want you to think about

0:46:49the virus all day long. And I think, you know, we could all just use some fun. It's not necessarily

0:46:57to think about, you know, this incredible tragedy that we're all pretty aware of at

0:47:02this point. And I think actually now the the Italian TV networks have started to catch

0:47:07on the complaints from people. They are resuming some kind of like entertainment towards the

0:47:13end of the month. So like by next week, some entertainment programs are resuming with a

0:47:19new format, working from home, like what the folks at Saturday Night Live have done, I

0:47:27believe in the US, a few days ago over Zoom. But it's like, more than ever, I think people

0:47:33could use some distractions and some fun. And so I totally understand if folks have

0:47:38issues, like in terms of going to the office or difficulties in collaborating.

0:47:45The official Unicode line on this is that they said they rely heavily on volunteers

0:47:52to do their work and the people themselves are like "I'm too busy to give you the free

0:47:57time right now".

0:47:58Sure, okay. But really I was mostly, I mean I believe the Unicode.

0:48:02But I do understand the point that you're making. We don't have to remove all fun from

0:48:07the world. People need and deserve distractions.

0:48:10You can be careful and in tune with the news and mindful of your surroundings and what's

0:48:17happening while also trying to live a normal life.

0:48:21These two things can exist together.

0:48:22Yeah.

0:48:23I agree with you.

0:48:24No emoji next year though.

0:48:25No emoji in 2021.

0:48:27But this year we're going to play the game.

0:48:28It will be known 2021 will be known as the no emoji year.

0:48:31All right, we'll figure something out then.

0:48:322020 we'll still get emoji and then 2022 there'll be more emoji than you can shake an emoji

0:48:37stick at because we're going to get early and late year releases for emoji.

0:48:41Let's talk about some iPad keyboards.

0:48:44The magic keyboard for iPad Pro.

0:48:46The preorders went live today.

0:48:48Surprisingly, this was considered to be a May product,

0:48:53but it is going to be shipping beginning next Monday, April 20th.

0:48:58So I'm very excited about that.

0:49:00That is when mine is shipping sometime between the 20th and the 22nd.

0:49:04If it's anything like my iPad Pro, I expect it to arrive on the 20th because I had a similar thing, like a two day window.

0:49:10But it arrived at the beginning of that window.

0:49:12Right now, as of this recording in the US, at least the dates have slipped from the 24th to May 1st.

0:49:18So they've moved a little bit already.

0:49:20Both sizes and I was very actually surprised to see a massive amount of layout options available to buy.

0:49:28But that's always the case.

0:49:29But remember we were talking about this was a couple of weeks ago, like we were talking about like if it was

0:49:34going to be constrained that there may not be those all available at once like the first

0:49:39Magic Keyboard, right?

0:49:40But yeah, you can see that one to two weeks of shipping right now in different territories.

0:49:47It's available for both iPads now, so the 11 and 12.9.

0:49:54Just as a reminder, this works for all of the flat-sided iPad Pros 2018 and 2020.

0:50:01I am convinced that my co-hosts will be really bothered about the camera cut out not matching,

0:50:06but we can wait until next week for that decision.

0:50:09I'm assuming you both, I know, you both bought them, right?

0:50:13Oh yeah, big time.

0:50:15Yep, I've got mine too.

0:50:17As I mentioned, I'm really excited, I'm very excited.

0:50:20So there's going to be so much balance testing, you can't even believe it.

0:50:24Yeah, yeah.

0:50:25I had a feeling this was going to happen today for some reason, I don't know.

0:50:29But yeah, I was already on the product page.

0:50:31You're an oracle.

0:50:32Yeah, it's one of my new powers.

0:50:33One of.

0:50:34I was waiting.

0:50:35One of.

0:50:36One of the many.

0:50:37I was waiting on the product page, just refreshing, and I had my whole strategy laid out in front

0:50:42of me again.

0:50:43So iPhone and iPad, one on cellular, one on Wi-Fi, both logged into my account, both ready

0:50:48with Apple Pay.

0:50:50And the iPad saw it first, so that worked.

0:50:54I double checked multiple times, actually triple, quadruple checked that it was the

0:50:58US English layout, and so it's coming next week, so it didn't sleep for me. I was very

0:51:04happy about that. I'm very excited to actually try this out and see just how heavy it is

0:51:11and how it feels in terms of using it as a laptop on my lap. I want to see just how stable

0:51:21it is. That's going to be important, I think. But I'm also going to use it at a desk, of

0:51:26course. So we'll see. Yeah I'm most keen to find out what it's like as a laptop

0:51:31because at a desk I am going to use my current desk arrangement mostly. It's

0:51:37like this product for me I want to be a laptop like device so that's that

0:51:42will be its primary use for me. So I'm you know I'm really keen to see what it

0:51:47looks like. I mean it will also be wonderful for traveling right because

0:51:51any desk that I sit in front of I'll be able to use my device in a much nicer

0:51:56are set up, but when I'm at home I will mostly be using it like this on the couch or whatever.

0:52:02So that's what I'm most excited about and hoping that it will perform really well as

0:52:08a laptop computer.

0:52:09Talking of laptop computer, Jason Snell, I saw a few reviews but Jason posted a review

0:52:17of the Bridge Pro Plus and I know Federico you have one of these as well and I don't

0:52:23believe you've written anything or are planning on writing anything so would you like to give

0:52:27your thoughts here? It was a footnote in my story from two weeks ago. Was it? I didn't

0:52:33know it was that. Clearly I don't read the footnotes. Footnotes have the best stuff in

0:52:36them. Shame on you. Shame on you Michael. I read it in an RSS reader and sometimes footnotes

0:52:44are not as easy in RSS readers. Let's go with that. I did read this. I read the whole

0:52:53thing in an RSS reader yes in reader why don't why do you hate my website so yeah

0:53:07it's not I'm really sad about this because it's not for me it is not a good

0:53:13keyboard and trackpad combo the main issue I mean the keyboard is good the

0:53:19The keyboard is fine, same build quality as the previous Bridge model, which worked well

0:53:24for me.

0:53:26The keyboard, I believe, is literally the same.

0:53:28So the keys feel the same, the backlight illumination is the same, powered by USB-C, so that's fine.

0:53:37The main problem is the trackpad, because it's not really a trackpad.

0:53:41So Bridge, and this is what happens when you try to beat Apple at its own game and then

0:53:49Apple Sherlock you.

0:53:51Bridge announced this keyboard back in the days of the accessibility mouse integration

0:53:58for Assistive Touch.

0:54:00So before 13.4, before we had any idea that Apple would actually do the native cursor

0:54:07During the iPadOS 13 cycle, Bridge announced this ProPlus keyboard that featured a trackpad,

0:54:16but it was really a mouse.

0:54:18So the trackpad uses the mouse framework, connection, whatever, to simulate being a

0:54:28trackpad.

0:54:30But it's not really one, because it does not support, for example, multi-touch gestures.

0:54:40If you buy this product thinking that it's going to work like a MacBook, you're going

0:54:46to be disappointed, for two primary reasons.

0:54:49One, as I said, it is not a multi-touch...

0:54:51Well, actually three reasons.

0:54:54It's not a multi-touch trackpad.

0:54:56So all three-finger gestures are out.

0:55:00You will not be able to use them.

0:55:02And those, if you are familiar with iPadOS 13.4, you know they are essential to navigate

0:55:08across the iPad's interface and use multitasking.

0:55:11Go back home, open the app switcher, switch between apps.

0:55:17All of those gestures cannot be used.

0:55:19The second problem.

0:55:22There's some weird bugs.

0:55:24I don't know if it's in the keyboards, firmware, or if it's in iPadOS, where not even just

0:55:32scrolling with the cursor via the trackpad of the Magic Keyboard works correctly.

0:55:39Sometimes the cursor is just stuck on the screen, and you try to scroll and nothing

0:55:44happens, and a fraction of a second later, the page scrolls all the way to the bottom.

0:55:50like going even further than the bounds of the page, it's a super weird visual glitch.

0:56:00Other times, just the... it's not as responsive as a Magic Trackpad, is all I'm gonna say.

0:56:09It doesn't feel like a real trackpad. Maybe it's because of the weird mouse translation

0:56:17they're doing, but it's not as reliable as the cursor of the Magic Trackpad.

0:56:22And the third big problem for me is that, in addition to the

0:56:28lack of gestures, and in addition to just being unable to reliably scroll and move

0:56:33the cursor, the top section of the trackpad is not clickable. If you put

0:56:40your finger... and it's a small trackpad, right? So it's easy to place your finger

0:56:44on the top section of it, but it's not physically clickable. It just doesn't click. You put

0:56:49your finger on it and press.

0:56:51Is it because it's like hinged?

0:56:53Yeah, it just does nothing. It's like a dead area of the trackpad.

0:56:58Can you tap to click on it? Do you have to physically click?

0:57:02Yeah, I have to physically click and it does nothing. It doesn't move, it does nothing.

0:57:07And I also checked with Jason and it's like, "Hey, am I the only one having this problem?"

0:57:11like no the top section of the trackpad doesn't click for me either. So when you combine these

0:57:17things together and then you take a look even at just the magic trackpad right you don't

0:57:23have to wait for the magic keyboard to come at this point next week which tells me that

0:57:29more people will actually some people will actually have the magic keyboard before the

0:57:35the Bridge Pro Plus, which is an unfortunate series of events. That's rough. But even just

0:57:42if you take a look at the Magic Trackpad, it is so much better than anything that Bridge

0:57:48could have done here. And that's because this keyboard was manufactured and designed before

0:57:54we even knew that the iPadOS 13.4 was going to support native multi-touch trackpads. This

0:58:04a personal guess. I do believe that Bridge was caught a tiny bit off guard here by Apple's move,

0:58:10and I feel really bad for them, because this has the potential to be a great product at a much

0:58:16cheaper entry price than the Magic Keyboard. And I do believe that there are people who are going

0:58:21to prefer this kind of keyboard design and keyboard layout, with the different key travel,

0:58:29with the different clamshell design with the hinges. I do believe that it's a good idea,

0:58:36but the current trackpad in the Bridge Pro Plus, it just doesn't cut it. It's just not up to the

0:58:42same standards as the Magic trackpad, and I suppose to the Magic Keyboard coming next week. So, I don't

0:58:49know how Bridge can get out of this situation. I don't think that can be recalled at this point.

0:58:56they're just gonna have to maybe figure out a way,

0:59:00I don't even know if it's physically possible

0:59:02for the trackpad that they have

0:59:04to work with the native multi-touch trackpad APIs of 13.4.

0:59:09I don't even know if that's possible at this point.

0:59:13So it's very unfortunate.

0:59:15I cannot recommend this keyboard.

0:59:17If you're an iPad user and you ask me,

0:59:19"Hey, I want a keyboard with a native trackpad,

0:59:21which one should I go for?"

0:59:23In all, in good conscience, I cannot recommend this one.

0:59:26And I feel very bad for bridge,

0:59:28because it has all the right ideas

0:59:32in terms of the keyboard design and the hinge design,

0:59:36and it's much cheaper, right?

0:59:38It's so much cheaper than the Magic Keyboard,

0:59:41but the trackpad is just not good enough.

0:59:43- It is worth remembering

0:59:45that they have been in a bad situation before.

0:59:48You remember, one of the original,

0:59:50or the original Brydge keyboard had terrible Bluetooth connection issues.

0:59:55Yeah.

0:59:55And they were able to rally up, fix it and produce the product

1:00:00that was widely regarded, right?

1:00:03Including by me, by you, right?

1:00:05By Jason swore by it.

1:00:08So my hope would be that they are able to pick themselves back up,

1:00:12get this together and ship a second generation

1:00:16that will be cheaper than the Magic Keyboard

1:00:19and still provide a different and in some instances better experience.

1:00:25Right. Like I believe that their design, that clamshell design

1:00:29will still be better in some circumstances than the Magic Keyboard.

1:00:33Yeah. Like I am I am sure that it will be more stable in some instances

1:00:38and provide different and varying like usability and angles.

1:00:43Right. Like and like variability than the Magic Keyboard will.

1:00:48but they will be probably quite different products.

1:00:51So I hope that they're able to do that again.

1:00:54But this this one isn't it, unfortunately.

1:00:58And, you know, I said this to Jason, I say it here again.

1:01:01If the Magic Keyboard didn't exist, this would still be a possible product.

1:01:07Like, it's not great, but like you could it's better than nothing.

1:01:10But now there's just such

1:01:14I mean, even if trackpad mode didn't exist, right,

1:01:17would be probably more apt. Like if Apple hadn't done that, then it would be, you know,

1:01:23it would have been very different and they would have probably been able to make more

1:01:27of a splash because it would have been like, well, you know, the accessibility mode is

1:01:30already a little bit janky.

1:01:32So let's turn from that to some good news, guys. The wheels for the Mac Pro are here.

1:01:38Hooray!

1:01:39Yay! For a cool $699, you can get four wheels for your Mac Pro.

1:01:45How much?

1:01:46$700, Federico. $700. For 700 wheels. A dollar a wheel. No, no, it's four wheels, so that's

1:01:57$175 a wheel. $700 for four wheel wheels? Wheels. They don't even have brakes. This

1:02:06just rolls away. Just like the GPU options, it's cheaper to do it when you buy the computer

1:02:11where the wheels are only 400 but the feet are 300 so they kind of come out the wash

1:02:17a little bit.

1:02:18Yeah because you can buy the feet now too, right?

1:02:21Yeah so if you had a mech pro with wheels and you want to convert it to feet that's

1:02:25$300.

1:02:26Or if you want extra feet.

1:02:28Or if you damage one I guess somehow, I don't know.

1:02:32But yeah they're here and it comes with a little hex tool to undo it.

1:02:38Quinn Nelson and his video showed how the feet come out.

1:02:41It looks pretty in depth.

1:02:43I assume that starting on Friday when these ship

1:02:46that someone will do a YouTube video showing how it works,

1:02:48but you can now change it out.

1:02:50- I'm looking forward to that

1:02:51'cause I just wanna see the way that it works.

1:02:54- Yeah, me too.

1:02:55I do too.

1:02:56Apple notes that adding the feet

1:02:57will make your Mac Pro an inch taller

1:02:59and swapping from the wheels to the feet

1:03:01will make it an inch shorter.

1:03:02So it's about an inch height's difference,

1:03:03which you already knew from seeing them,

1:03:05you know, photos and videos,

1:03:06the wheels are taller but uh it's out there now that's the Mac Pro News we're all happy for you

1:03:13and the inevitable I'm not buying wheels yeah you're not buying wheels you should buy 700 bucks

1:03:20just buy them I think you should buy the wheel I mean but you're you you strike me as a wheel guy

1:03:25honestly you should get you should get the wheels uh you should make a video about the wheels plus

1:03:32let's just face it we all know you're gonna buy the one do you want to go in together

1:03:36I'll give you $150.

1:03:38This is all this dance that we're doing now?

1:03:41Or Willy or Wanny by the wheel?

1:03:43Federica, will you match me?

1:03:45$150 I'll give Steven for the wheels.

1:03:48Will you match it?

1:03:49Sure.

1:03:50Sure, I will.

1:03:50Wow.

1:03:51There you go.

1:03:52So that's $300 of your wheel purchase.

1:03:56But you have to be willing to spend $400.

1:03:59So you can think about that one.

1:04:01I'll think on that.

1:04:01I'll let y'all know.

1:04:02OK.

1:04:03OK.

1:04:04Well, we all know it's going to happen.

1:04:05And so we all know by next week we're going to be talking about the wheels that Steven

1:04:08bought.

1:04:09So just get it, just let's be done with this, like, pretend that, "Oh no, Steven is not

1:04:15buying."

1:04:16We don't know you're going to buy them.

1:04:17You just skip to next week when we talk about the wheels.

1:04:20So more next week is what I'm saying.

1:04:22You're going to have a busy week next week.

1:04:24You have an inventory to do, you have dongles to assemble, wheels to buy.

1:04:29Yeah.

1:04:30Wheels do not count as computers, by the way, for the record.

1:04:34I don't think an additional four items is going to change the per capita number that

1:04:37much right right okay have like a it will be over 100 computers easily easily my god

1:04:47we're going to talk about the new iphone we've saved that to last but first let me tell you

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1:07:04show and Relay FM. iPhone SE second generation is... it was not the iPhone 9.

1:07:11I'm sorry Steven you didn't get the name did you? You didn't get it? You were so... I

1:07:17I mean, it looked like it was gonna happen for a while,

1:07:19you know, like people were agreeing with you,

1:07:22but unfortunately it didn't happen.

1:07:25- It was a real bummer.

1:07:26- Was this one of Steven's predictions?

1:07:28- Not a scored one, but I talked about it.

1:07:31Okay, so let's talk about what this phone is.

1:07:33It is, as expected, the iPhone 8's design

1:07:36with basically an iPhone 11 smashed into it.

1:07:41So it has touch ID, 'cause it inherits that from the design.

1:07:44There's no face ID here.

1:07:46It has haptic touch, but no 3D touch.

1:07:49That is now gone from all iPhones on sale.

1:07:51So goodbye, 3D touch.

1:07:54Do you guys miss 3D touch?

1:07:56- Okay.

1:07:56- I don't.

1:07:57- No, I was thinking about this a few days ago.

1:08:00I actually have gotten so used to the lock screen

1:08:04fake 3D touch buttons, surprisingly quickly.

1:08:08So I do not, sometimes I think about it,

1:08:14like yeah it was nicer that you could have like multiple levels of pressure for example if you

1:08:18like were pressing on a link some of the interactions were nicer but overall it's not like

1:08:25I'm thinking about it every day. There are things that I miss but mostly I'm proud of it like I

1:08:31there are some places where like they never replaced the interaction which you know like for

1:08:38you know, if you long press a link in messages,

1:08:43you can't do as many things you used to be able to do with that.

1:08:46Or like if you long press a link in notes,

1:08:49you don't get the ability to share out to the same place, but like you could

1:08:52always... Anyway, it's just not as nice as it used to be,

1:08:55but I would agree that I've gotten very used to it,

1:08:57to the point that when I wear my Apple Watch,

1:09:01I do not get 3D touch done correctly, because I am long pressing on the Apple

1:09:07instead of 3D touching and of course that doesn't work because it does

1:09:11require force on the Apple Watch still. I wonder if they're gonna change that. They

1:09:15should because now it's like an inconsistent experience but I will

1:09:20say overall I'm happy to have lost 3D touch to have gained long press on my

1:09:24iPad. Yeah I think that's fair. I like that things are more similar now across

1:09:28the platforms. And I just like having those additional features on my iPad

1:09:32because it was always frustrating and it just 3D touch was never gonna work like

1:09:37applying force to that screen. It's just never gonna work. The screen was too big,

1:09:41you'd be pushing the iPad over. I really like long press in those instances so

1:09:46I'm happy to have let it go. Imagine 3D touching an iPad while it's in the magic

1:09:50keyboard and floating there. And I'm sure these were some of the reasons that they

1:09:55never did it, right? Because they have plans for what they wanted that product

1:09:58to do and it never could have worked. So moving on with the specs, it has the

1:10:03A13 Bionic system on a chip just like the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro. This was the

1:10:09biggest surprise to me of this phone. I kind of thought they could go A12 and

1:10:14match the iPhone XR which is still on sale but this phone has got a better

1:10:18system on a chip than the XR which is cool. But what this shows you is that

1:10:22this will not change for a very long time again. Yeah this phone is gonna be it's gonna be like

1:10:27the previous SE. This phone's gonna be on sale for three years untouched like at

1:10:32least. It has a single 12 megapixel camera with portrait mode for human subjects. So

1:10:39same as the XR, that's the way the XR works. IP 67 rating, wireless charging, Wi Fi 6,

1:10:46NFC and express card support. No U1 chip. So that continues just to be an iPhone 11

1:10:51thing.

1:10:52That's too bad. I was really hoping that it would have the so useful U1 chip.

1:10:58Super useful.

1:10:59Or it's just going to be one of those things where it doesn't have a U1 chip and then it's

1:11:03reported to have a U1 chip and then someone does a teardown and realizes there isn't one.

1:11:08We just have a multiple week process again.

1:11:10That's how that's going to go.

1:11:12So if you buy an iPhone SE in 2020 and then eventually you also buy the Apple tags, thinking

1:11:17that they will work together and you lose your luggage, it's going to be lost forever

1:11:22because the SE will not find them.

1:11:25It's not going to be just U1 of how that works.

1:11:29Yeah, you think so?

1:11:31Yes, it will work with Bluetooth.

1:11:33I mean, U1 will be an additional feature of the Apple tags, but they will work with Bluetooth.

1:11:39Okay, maybe.

1:11:40Yeah, because the U1 chip is only within a certain distance.

1:11:43Yeah, maybe.

1:11:44They will be Bluetooth LE with an additional benefit if you have a U1 chip device, you

1:11:53will be able to like point your phone in the direction. Yeah, that's gonna be the

1:11:57makes that you want all that more useless so far. So some more spec stuff.

1:12:05I'm sorry. Like we said it's got that rear single 12 megapixel camera. It's f/1.8.

1:12:11The front camera is only 7 megapixel with 1080 video. This seems, the camera's

1:12:18basically seeing pretty much in line with the 10R or kind of in between

1:12:22the XR and the 11's main camera. So a big upgrade from the 8 right? This is

1:12:29this is why this phone is gonna be popular I think. People who want to keep

1:12:33this form factor but want a better camera. It comes in red, white, and black.

1:12:37Prices start at $399 that's US unlocked for 64 gigs then $449 or $549 for 128 or

1:12:47256 gigabytes. Just to compare the all iPhones start with 64 gigabytes in the

1:12:56US unlocked their 399 for the SE 599 for the 10 R but it's got the slower chip

1:13:02the 11 starts at 699 the 11 Pro at 999 and the 11 Pro Max at 1099 so Apple is

1:13:10hitting the upper end and now the mid tier market just head on again which I

1:13:15is really exciting. So this phone is not small right like people you know if you

1:13:20think of this as the iPhone I see it's not the iPhone 8 right like it's the iPhone 8

1:13:24which means it's also the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6s right like it is that

1:13:28and 7 is that right like it's that phone it is not an iPhone 5 right like it is

1:13:34it is a bigger phone so 4.7 inch screen with a home button with touch ID on it

1:13:42right? So like it's it's a big phone. In fact the eight cases will fit this. I mean it is the iPhone 8 SE.

1:13:48Oh yeah. More so you know like that that name almost makes more sense. So the really there are

1:13:54there's two there's two things here right so like this is not necessarily a phone for the iPhone SE

1:14:00crowd it is the phone for I want touch id or I want a cheap iPhone because if you want a small

1:14:07iPhone this is not a small iPhone it's the smallest iPhone but it's not small

1:14:12yeah it's it's the phone for my wife because she wants touch ID and she

1:14:17doesn't want a phone any bigger than her 8 this is great for her then and as well

1:14:22like at $399 I mean geez it is I can't believe the starting price of this phone

1:14:27like I think it's amazing yeah it's really good someone on Twitter pointed

1:14:31out that so we should say the 8 and 8 plus are gone they're not for sale in

1:14:35the store anymore. There's some floating on the refurbished store but not new. And Apple

1:14:40only put out a 4.7 inch se the eight plus size is gone now. And so if that was the form

1:14:46factor you'd liked and you want to touch ID but you want to plus phone, you're just out

1:14:50of luck. You've got to move to the se or to the the 11 or 10 are or something. They're

1:14:56only carrying forward this sort of classic iPhone 678 screen size.

1:15:01Really surprised they continue to sell the 10.

1:15:03It really seems like the odd phone out.

1:15:06But but if it weren't there, there'd be a gap from 399 to 699.

1:15:11It makes the 11 seem way more expensive.

1:15:13And so I think it's just there to hold that price point, honestly, maybe, maybe.

1:15:17Yeah, I think I think this phone is going to be popular.

1:15:20It's not for those of us who want the latest and greatest all the time.

1:15:24But for those people who really like this form factor, or don't, which is clearly like

1:15:29aren't stupid enough to spend $1,000 on a phone like the three of us are.

1:15:33This is fantastic and that starting price point is great.

1:15:36Just call me stupid.

1:15:37All three of us though.

1:15:38Yeah, I take real offense to that.

1:15:40I mean, I agree with that.

1:15:41Just double checking.

1:15:44I just want to make sure I heard you correctly.

1:15:46Before I pad you on the back, I want to make sure you're actually right.

1:15:49No, this is great.

1:15:50I think they're going to sell a lot of these and I think that it, in a way, it's a better

1:15:56SE than the old one was.

1:15:57I know people really love that really small size and the iPhones got bigger, but as iPhones

1:16:03have gotten more expensive, there has been this sort of hollowing out of the iPhone line

1:16:07that didn't really compete in the mid range. And now they can do that with a phone that

1:16:11is just as capable as the iPhone 11. That's fantastic. I think this is going to do really

1:16:16well. Yeah. And in fact, just to give an example, Sylvia's sister is already looking into this,

1:16:23I believe, because she's the kind of person say that says, Well, I want a new iPhone,

1:16:28she's still using a 6S, so time to upgrade.

1:16:33And she's like, "I don't wanna spend a fortune on an iPhone.

1:16:36I want an iPhone that's gonna last me a few years.

1:16:39I don't need to have the 11 Pro, whatever."

1:16:42And she's like, "I just want a new iPhone

1:16:43that's gonna last me for three, four years."

1:16:45And this is the perfect phone for that.

1:16:47She doesn't wanna spend a thousand euros.

1:16:49So she's exactly the kind of person

1:16:51who's in the market for this phone.

1:16:52And I think as much as it does not excite me, not one bit.

1:16:57But it's going to be a great experience for people that have it.

1:17:00Blazing fast, excellent camera, right?

1:17:03With iOS 13, we'll get 14, 15, 16.

1:17:06Like it is a good phone.

1:17:09Yeah. There is no denying that.

1:17:12Oh, I would.

1:17:13I already mentioned, but I'll say it again.

1:17:15While it's charging, right?

1:17:16Like it has a lot of modern features at a great price point.

1:17:21And, you know, I've seen a lot of people say it this week,

1:17:23which is really funny.

1:17:24In the same week, OnePlus went super expensive.

1:17:26Yeah, I saw that.

1:17:27And Apple has gone super cheap, right?

1:17:30Like in the sense of phones, like OnePlus, which are always like the

1:17:34challenging, like, but you can get flagship features at budget prices,

1:17:40but now has like a $1,000 phone basically.

1:17:42And it's kind of funny to see that flip around, but this is a great product that

1:17:47Apple is clearly releasing post all of their iPhone slowdown.

1:17:51Like this is a result of all of that, right?

1:17:54you want to have a phone for people that don't want the expensive phone or that

1:17:59don't want all of the features that come with the expensive phone because there

1:18:03are people that legitimately do not want to let go of Touch ID, right? This will,

1:18:08honestly I think that this will provide people with that device until Touch ID

1:18:12comes back which I think it will in some case within the next few years, right? And

1:18:17then people will be able to move on. Like this is going to be a bridging phone for

1:18:21those people that do not want face ID.

1:18:22Probably by 2022, Apple will have a, I reckon, a dual biometric option, right?

1:18:28Like there's a lot of smoke around that.

1:18:30I think we've all said that we wouldn't, but we were like, I know I would like it.

1:18:34Um, I think we've, I think Federico, you've agreed with me on that one, at least

1:18:38about having Touch ID come back in some form to have both options in the fun.

1:18:43I think that is great for everyone.

1:18:44I think, why not?

1:18:46And so Apple would kind of bridge the gap for people that want that, wants to

1:18:51also providing a cheaper phone for markets that really want a cheaper phone or for people

1:18:57that want cheap phones. So I think it's a great option.

1:19:00And Apple has this really interesting page called Why upgrade and you basically select

1:19:04your phone and it's got the iPhone SE the first one through the eight and you select

1:19:10your phone and then it tells you oh it's you know five times faster at this the camera

1:19:14is this much better the Wi Fi is this much better. And I think they know who is in the

1:19:18market for this phone and I think it's great. It is funny that like it's just

1:19:24that page defaults to original iPhone SE to this iPhone SE. Why do you want to

1:19:30do that? Like okay. People are still hanging on to those like my brother-in-law

1:19:34just moved off the first generation iPhone SE like six months ago. And also

1:19:39everyone that owns an iPhone SE only wants to buy another iPhone SE right

1:19:42Right.

1:19:43That's what they want.

1:19:45So this means that there is currently five phones for sale.

1:19:50I wonder how many iPhones will be for sale by the end of this year.

1:19:53The 10R is gonna gotta go away.

1:19:55Right.

1:19:56So it's maybe iPhone SE, iPhone 11, iPhone 12 in two sizes, iPhone 12 Pro in two sizes

1:20:02is my guess.

1:20:03Yeah.

1:20:04So still five.

1:20:05- Because if you look at what the XR did,

1:20:09the X is gone, the XS, XS Max are gone.

1:20:14They've been willing to take that middle spot

1:20:17and collapse that all into just one phone.

1:20:19But we'll see, it's a lot of phones, man.

1:20:23I mean, I was like running out that list

1:20:24of the starting prices and I had to like double check,

1:20:26did I get all of them?

1:20:27Like, is that everybody?

1:20:29This is a lot of stuff now,

1:20:31but they're hitting all these price points

1:20:32and that's good for a product that,

1:20:35know a billion people use. I mean it's the same as the iPad right? Totally. Have as many

1:20:41price points as possible. Mini, iPad, iPad Air, iPad Pro. Or even the Mac Pro right?

1:20:47Any price point starting at $6,000. Yeah I don't think you've understood the rules of

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