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0:00:00[Music]

0:00:08Hello and welcome to Connected, Episode 289.

0:00:12It's made possible this week by our sponsors Pingdom, Squarespace, and Bull & Branch.

0:00:18My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

0:00:22Happy to be here.

0:00:23Taking a break from animal crossing.

0:00:25Yeah, God, you can make time for us.

0:00:27Thank you for putting that down for a minute.

0:00:30And Federico Vittucci.

0:00:31Happy to be here, taking a break from Pokémon.

0:00:37See you, Steven.

0:00:38And writing.

0:00:39I've also been writing, but really, I was just playing Pokémon ten minutes ago.

0:00:44We're going to talk about your recent writing here in a minute, but we have to begin with

0:00:49follow-up.

0:00:50Pshoo!

0:00:51Pshoo!

0:00:52Follow-up.

0:00:53Follow-up.

0:00:54Follow-up.

0:00:55when we talked about this, but at some point we did this thing where we had to find, or

0:01:00I had to find, like the oldest pages on Apple's website. Do you all remember this?

0:01:05It's when we, for some reason, came across the trailers page.

0:01:08That's right. Yes, and I emailed with Eddy Cue.

0:01:12Yeah.

0:01:13Yes.

0:01:14Who sent me the emoticon smiley faces? That's a very surreal situation.

0:01:19But it wasn't actually Eddy Cue.

0:01:20We don't know that.

0:01:21Somebody at Apple did send you that. We can't.

0:01:24We all decided that it was Eric.

0:01:25We believe it to be, of course, but we can't say it's fact.

0:01:29Anyways, Benjamin Mayo found this page that has a discount going.

0:01:34So if you buy any Power Mac G5, any and a 23 inch cinema display,

0:01:40you'll save five hundred dollars.

0:01:42So that's a pretty good deal.

0:01:43This page is incredibly broken in like every conceivable way,

0:01:46but still exists on Apple.com.

0:01:49Like there's still some stuff here like that you can click to other things.

0:01:53copyright 2004 this page. Can I read you all the navigation at the top? There's no

0:01:58images but I can read you what the URLs are. Well let's see if it's a bunch of

0:02:02question marks. Yeah but the links are still there. Oh yeah the links work okay.

0:02:06So it's Apple.com to the homepage and then the store. Okay. And then iTunes and

0:02:12then iTunes. What is iTunes? It was iCloud but before that it was MobileMe but

0:02:18before that it was .Mac it was iTunes. When you click that link it directs to

0:02:23to me.com and then to iCloud.com. It's like, what?

0:02:27- iCloud, nice.

0:02:28- I'll have a link in the show notes.

0:02:31I wrote about iTunes a couple of years ago,

0:02:33so you can go check that out.

0:02:34And then we move on from there.

0:02:36We have QuickTime, Support, and Mac OS X.

0:02:41- I clicked the iTunes one and the marketing thing

0:02:43on the top of the iTunes page is very clever right now.

0:02:46It says iTunes is going places.

0:02:48- Nice.

0:02:48- What it means is podcasts, music, and Apple TV.

0:02:52I just thought that that marketing line's good.

0:02:54- It means iTunes has been murdered behind the shed.

0:02:56- Yeah, I like that somebody wrote that, you know,

0:02:58like people aren't really paying attention to it,

0:03:00but it's just a thing, I just love it.

0:03:02- So now that I see the, you know,

0:03:03I'm looking at the footer of the website,

0:03:05and I know that, so there's a number

0:03:07that you can call 1-800-MY-APPLE,

0:03:11which I believe is also the,

0:03:12I believe this number still exists, maybe?

0:03:15So something, this is totally unrelated,

0:03:17but now that I see this number,

0:03:18something that I've always sort of like wanted to do

0:03:21or wish that somebody on YouTube did.

0:03:25And this is totally one of my weird things

0:03:27that I'm about to say.

0:03:28But I would like somebody to go through a bunch

0:03:32of old video game magazines or really old stuff,

0:03:36find all these numbers, and call all these numbers

0:03:39and see what happens.

0:03:41Do you get redirected to somebody else totally random?

0:03:44What if you took a number from a video game magazine from,

0:03:47I don't know, 1985, right? And try to call it. And what if you try to do that for like

0:03:53a hundred different support numbers?

0:03:56I think I saw a thing online once and the Nintendo one is still up.

0:03:59Really?

0:04:00Yeah. I'm sure I saw somebody like tweeting about that or I saw an article about it that

0:04:04like the, the whatever 800 number for Nintendo to get like tips and suggestions on how to

0:04:10beat Mario, like you can still call that number. It goes to the support team now, I think,

0:04:15which is less.

0:04:16Anyway, sometimes I come across really old stuff, like I don't know, an old newspaper

0:04:20or an old magazine and I always think, what if I call this number today and be like, hey,

0:04:25I found this number in a magazine from 35 years ago.

0:04:29Who are you?

0:04:30Kyle in the chat room pointed out that you can actually still download the mailing coupon

0:04:37for this savings thing.

0:04:39It's like a PDF and you've got the whole thing and it looks, you know, you've got a big peacock.

0:04:43It's great.

0:04:44It's a very appley of the mid 2000s.

0:04:46So how did you find out about the Apple Brilliant Savings Program?

0:04:50Select one response only.

0:04:52World Wide Web Advertising.

0:04:54That's the answer.

0:04:55Print Advertising.

0:04:56In-Store Materials.

0:04:58Or Word of Mouth.

0:04:59I guess for us it was World Wide Web Advertising.

0:05:02But for our listeners it's Word of Mouth.

0:05:05If Apple had not offered the Brilliant Savings promotion, which one would you most likely

0:05:10have done?

0:05:11Delayed purchasing a Mac?

0:05:13Not purchased an Apple Cinema HD display?

0:05:16a Windows-based PC, purchase the Mac anyway.

0:05:19[laughs]

0:05:21Purchase the Mac anyways.

0:05:23If I buy a Pro Display XDR, could I send this in and get some money back?

0:05:28Is it carry-forward?

0:05:29You should try it, you know?

0:05:32That's a very expensive experiment.

0:05:34You should buy it, send it in, and attach a note saying, "Hey, sorry for the 16-year

0:05:41delay just trying to get my coupon."

0:05:44coupon. Should I get my coupon? I'm in half the tower, it looks kind of the same. I sent

0:05:49this to a friend of mine and he responded that I should try to hook up

0:05:54one of these displays to my Mac Pro and so that's gonna be my week next week.

0:05:58Good! I'll report back. Look I can't go anywhere, I got to do something. Just hook

0:06:03up an old display. I don't have the 23 inch though, I have the 17 pseudo display

0:06:08so mine's not as big as this but it'll be funny anyways. Oh well that's bad you

0:06:12You gotta get it 23 inch then.

0:06:14I will not accept anything smaller than 23 inch cinema display.

0:06:19These are the displays that you like, right?

0:06:20You like the way these look with the acrylic and stuff?

0:06:23They look really nice.

0:06:24They look really nice.

0:06:25I think they do too.

0:06:26I think this look has come back around.

0:06:29You know, like this being an attractive design, it's like it's circled all the way back round

0:06:34and we're back here again, you know?

0:06:36Yeah, it looked real old the second they started shipping the aluminum ones.

0:06:40Yeah, but now the...

0:06:41And now this looks cool.

0:06:43Now that like the older aluminum ones look old, right?

0:06:46And so like we've come all the way back around again.

0:06:49I think Syracuse used one of these until like three months ago.

0:06:53I think that was what he was using with his Mac Pro, yeah, it was a cinema display.

0:06:57So I will report back on if I can get mine working with my Mac Pro.

0:07:01Did they ever blue one of these?

0:07:03They had an LCD one before this that was called the...

0:07:06I'm looking through Mac Tracker.

0:07:09the Apple Studio Display 15 inch and there was a blue one and a graphite one. I'll send

0:07:14you a picture of this. It was like super expensive. They didn't sell very many of them. But this

0:07:19was the this like clear look. These all look basically the same. Federico, can you catch

0:07:23us up on your very interesting music journey? We had a couple pieces of feedback.

0:07:30Sure. So a lot of people recommended or actually asked me why didn't you go with this service

0:07:36called Roon. That's R-O-O-N. I tried Roon multiple times in the past. It's very popular

0:07:45among desktop users. If you have a PC or a Mac, they have a really good desktop app that

0:07:50scans your music library and presents you with a different visualization, I guess, of

0:07:56your artists. You can get this beautiful layout with high resolution photography, and the

0:08:04The app does some really interesting things in sort of surfacing additional information

0:08:09for each of your artists. It's really nice looking. The problem is that I don't plan

0:08:14on using Rune on the Mac. I don't like the idea of having a primarily desktop-oriented

0:08:21service. And my main issue with it is that when I tried Rune on the iPad... So first

0:08:29First of all you gotta keep running on the Mac.

0:08:32So that's fine, it's just an app that I can leave running in my dock.

0:08:36But when I tested it on the iPad and the iPhone, I couldn't get the high resolution output

0:08:42to work when used with my Sony Walkman as an external USB DAC.

0:08:47So it looks really nice on the desktop and I believe that it does support high resolution

0:08:55audio, if you have a Mac and if you have a USB DAC that you want to plug into your Mac,

0:09:01this is totally going to work for you. In fact, I recommend it. It's an expensive service.

0:09:05It's not cheap. But if you're that type of person, you know, lots of people who have

0:09:09like really large, for example, classical music collections or really large like collections

0:09:14of jazz albums, I know that it's very popular amongst those users. It's got integration

0:09:20with Tidal for high-resolution streaming, it supports a bunch of high-performance network

0:09:29players. Really well done, but it's primarily for the desktop, whereas I was looking for

0:09:36something that would support high-resolution output on the iPad and potentially also on

0:09:41the iPhone, which is what Neutron does and Roon does not on iOS and iPadOS. So that's

0:09:46why I tried Rune, but I didn't choose it as my preferred solution. Speaking of

0:09:55Rune, speaking of Neutron, we did get at least one email saying that we were

0:10:03overly childish in our description of Neutron and other apps that we covered

0:10:11last week and I just wanted to say a few things about this. Obviously we, and I don't recall

0:10:19the exact words of the email, obviously we did not mean to offend anybody. I feel like

0:10:28we may have gotten carried away a little bit. We got a bit silly. We got a bit silly on

0:10:33it. Got a bit silly on it. I think we, so there's a few things I want to say. I think

0:10:36we could all use some fun these days.

0:10:40So that's probably where the spirit of the pent-up comedic aspect came from last week.

0:10:49But I also want to say something.

0:10:51The email that we got mentioned, it was basically something along the lines of "It was bad behavior

0:10:58on your part because these are indie developers and you were making fun of their user interfaces

0:11:05and it's not fun because these are indies and we should all support each other.

0:11:08I understand the sentiment, right?

0:11:10I don't think you can find any other Apple website that loves indie developers more than Mac stories,

0:11:17and I'm not bragging, it's just what it is.

0:11:19We work alongside indie developers every single day of the week,

0:11:26and we've been doing that for the past decade.

0:11:27So I don't really feel like I should be lectured about what it means to support indie developers,

0:11:34but, and this is something that irks me to an extent, this idea that I should never, and by I, I mean

0:11:44me personally as well as other people like, you know, you guys or on other shows, that we should never

0:11:50criticize indie developers because they're indies and because we should all support each other by

0:11:56default no matter what. I think that is not a good approach. I think in fact that only does a

0:12:03this service to indie developers and I'll explain why. If a user interface is ugly,

0:12:09I shouldn't have to sugarcoat the truth just because it comes from an indie developer.

0:12:17Because I think it's important to keep in mind that the market, the reason why indie developers

0:12:23can sell their software is because there's people that are not just part of the Mac Store's team

0:12:29that open the App Store and buy apps and use their money to purchase apps and subscriptions and

0:12:35in-app purchases and whatever. There's regular people who don't care about whether indie

0:12:40developers, they know each other, whether they're friends or not, whether they go to the same

0:12:44conferences or not. They absolutely have no idea. They see something, they decide whether it looks

0:12:51good enough, whether it's ugly or not, whether it has the functionalities that they're looking for,

0:12:58and then they choose with their wallets to spend money or not. So I think I would

0:13:06do a disservice to indie developers if I defended them no matter what, just

0:13:11because of their indie status. And I think I would do a disservice to my readers

0:13:15if I am my listeners, if I never called out something as ugly or not useful

0:13:24enough just because it comes from an indie developer. I don't think we should be using

0:13:30this sort of this this layer of, you know, let's all love each other, let's all support each other

0:13:37to forget about a product's flaws or the features that are missing from a product.

0:13:47It's not a mindset that I think works well in 2020. I think maybe there was an argument to be

0:13:53made for this sort of approach 10 years ago, but I think the sad and, you know, maybe harsh truth of

0:14:00the situation is that the App Store is a huge market and regular people who don't read Mac stories,

0:14:08who don't listen to this show, open the App Store and judge your app based on a few screenshots.

0:14:14And so last week's segment was very much based on the same premise. I'm just looking for something,

0:14:20I open the App Store, I search for what I'm looking for, and here are the results.

0:14:25And if I think something is ugly, I should be able to call it out as such.

0:14:30Now, maybe we got carried away by that, but the email that we got saying...

0:14:36Basically, the accent was, "I'm really disappointed in you all because you make fun of indie developers."

0:14:44Well, we didn't make fun of indie developers, we made fun of ugly apps and ugly user interfaces.

0:14:49And I think there's, you know, this is something that I wanted to explain because, as I said,

0:14:56I have been a supporter of indie developers for the past decade.

0:15:01But I also don't think just because somebody says I'm an indie, then I should be, you know,

0:15:07I should be ashamed of myself for criticizing their product.

0:15:12Does it make sense?

0:15:13Mm-hmm.

0:15:14Sure does.

0:15:15I agree with you.

0:15:17So that was my update for you, Steven.

0:15:23Also some follow-up about something else that I...

0:15:25Actually this is something that I did get wrong and I apologize, but we got a lot of

0:15:30interesting technical details about this.

0:15:32So last week we talked about...

0:15:36We answered...

0:15:37I answered a question about whether it was going to be possible for the new native pointer

0:15:41in iPadOS 13.4 to be used for all kinds of games on the iPad. And I said, I don't see why not,

0:15:50because all the APIs are there. Now, thanks to friend of the show Steve Chutton-Smith, I got a

0:15:56series of messages that explain why it is not possible with the current APIs to have all kinds

0:16:04of games on iPad with trackpad integration. And if Steve doesn't mind, I'm gonna go through some

0:16:09of these messages that I saved because it was kind enough to send me an explanation a few days ago.

0:16:16Basically what he's saying is that a game that uses the mouse for camera input like a first-person

0:16:20shooter game or any other kind of first-person game needs to be able to capture the cursor,

0:16:27of course, and capturing the cursor means this gets really complicated real fast.

0:16:34Basically the the X and Y movements of the cursor

0:16:37they come in as relative movements not as like absolute positioning of the cursor on screen and

0:16:44You need to be able to capture that relative movement movement to be able to do like a first person perspective, right?

0:16:52Otherwise like if you move the cursor too far and you hit the hedge of the screen

0:16:59you hit the home indicator for example, and it's totally not gonna work because it's like gonna snap your perspective and it's

0:17:07It's not gonna work in the first person

0:17:10type of experience. Now, I am doing a terrible job at explaining this

0:17:15It's a very technical motivation that you know why these games do not support the cursor

0:17:21But basically my understanding as a person who does not know what it means exactly in you know

0:17:28because I'm not a game programmer,

0:17:30is that only certain types of games are possible right now? Like things where you point-and-click, essentially?

0:17:37Like a strategy game or like a puzzle game, like a point-and-click adventure game?

0:17:41But...

0:17:42It's like the view wouldn't be able to lock itself to the movement of the cursor. It can only...

0:17:46It can only really take what's... what the result of the movement is as opposed to like the consistent tracking.

0:17:53Right, so like the...

0:17:54the constant relative tracking of the cursor, that's not possible. But if you

0:17:59just move the pointer around and click at an exact position on the screen, that's

0:18:07going to work. So I'm thinking like if you have a map for a strategy game or if

0:18:11you have like a point-and-click adventure, you move the cursor and you

0:18:14click and it works. But if you're playing like, I don't know, let's say that you

0:18:18want to play, what's the first person, Call of Duty on your iPad, the constant

0:18:24relative tracking of the cursor, so like if you move the mouse then your head

0:18:28turns to the left, that's not supported right now, because the API does not

0:18:34support that kind of relative tracking. That was my understanding of it. So

0:18:39that's too bad, really, because I really think this should be possible. So maybe

0:18:45it's going to be part of the API enhancements at WWDC, maybe not, we'll see,

0:18:50but I think it should be possible.

0:18:52I was sad to hear that.

0:18:54- Yeah, they made a lot of changes in six months, right?

0:18:56Like cursor support went a long way

0:18:58in a short period of time.

0:18:59There's nothing to say it can't continue

0:19:01to keep moving forward.

0:19:02- Yeah, so that was follow-up, Steven.

0:19:04We're all done here.

0:19:06- Thank you for providing follow-up this week.

0:19:09And, well, I guess really thanks to Steve John Smith.

0:19:12- Thank you, Steve.

0:19:13- Thanks, buddy.

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0:20:33So Federico is part of your coverage over on MacStories last week of the 10th anniversary

0:20:40of the iPad shipping to customers.

0:20:42You wrote an article that we referenced at the end of the episode last week

0:20:48about your modular iPad.

0:20:50So the many ways in which you use your iPad.

0:20:52I refer to these as teaching hacks personally,

0:20:55because a lot of these things are weird, right?

0:20:59Like in good ways, like we all know.

0:21:01Everyone who listens to this show know all about hashtag kickstands.

0:21:04You've begun the kickstands, kickstand mania.

0:21:06I kind of wanted to just touch on a few areas from this,

0:21:10having looked right over the article, because there's a couple of things that

0:21:13mirror with my setup and things that I wanted to query you on.

0:21:17I think the first is like the iVisor.

0:21:19So like you, I am a big fan still of the Moshi iVisor,

0:21:24which is the matte screen protector that we both have on our iPads.

0:21:28But I did want to note that so when I got my new iPad and set it up,

0:21:33I did recognize how much more vivid and bright the screen is without it.

0:21:39but I do still prefer it with the screen protector on, if that makes sense.

0:21:44Like I prefer the matte look because I don't like to have the reflections

0:21:47and it looks nicer, but the screen is like, quote unquote, better without it. Right.

0:21:53Yeah, it's you do get some, you know, some image quality loss.

0:21:59But I think it's. Mm hmm.

0:22:01I thought that the Paperlike

0:22:03was doing worse in this regard.

0:22:07Paperlike is definitely worse.

0:22:09The quality loss with the iVizer is not as bad as the Paperlike.

0:22:13I do see, of course, like when I use an iPad without the screen protector,

0:22:18I do see that the screen is much brighter and like the colors are a bit more vivid.

0:22:22But I think it's a good compromise.

0:22:24Like if I had to choose, like, do you want to use your iPad without a screen protector or the Paperlike?

0:22:30Then I would have said, no, I'm just going to use the iPad without the screen protector.

0:22:35But between the iPad naked with no protector and the MOSHI iVisor, I think, well, if I'm

0:22:44going to get a matte display, I think the image quality loss is not that bad.

0:22:51So it's a compromise that I'm willing to accept.

0:22:54But yes, I agree with you.

0:22:55Like, when you take it off, you can see that it's brighter and the colors are like, they

0:22:59just pop more.

0:23:00Yeah, it's just, I've been using it for long enough that when I had the new screen, it

0:23:05It was like, "Wow, okay, look at you."

0:23:06Right, like it was just like, I think it was different.

0:23:09You also talk a lot about your external display.

0:23:12- Okay.

0:23:12- And I wondered, how often do you actually use

0:23:15the external display?

0:23:16Like on a daily basis, a weekly basis,

0:23:18how much are you using your LG display with your iPad?

0:23:22- Oh, every day, yeah.

0:23:23- Like for most of the time that you're using your iPad

0:23:25or no?

0:23:26- When I'm working, especially since the trackpad came out,

0:23:30the trackpad support came out.

0:23:33When I'm working on the iPad I only work with the external display now.

0:23:37Okay, and I see that's changed a lot since the trackpad support, right?

0:23:40Because it was not a great solution really.

0:23:43It used to be every once in a while I would work with the external display,

0:23:47but now it's the new default.

0:23:50And every once in a while I work with just the iPad.

0:23:53So it's really the opposite of what it used to be.

0:23:56And you showed that you use the ClearLook stand like I do.

0:23:59Why do you choose to use the OG display instead of just using it in the Cluix stand all the time?

0:24:04Sometimes I cannot work in the bedroom because maybe Sylvia is resting or I just want to like

0:24:14a change of scenery or I gotta keep an eye on the dogs or whatever and in that case I use the stand

0:24:20because if I'm working at the kitchen table I want it to be higher you know with the stand.

0:24:27Yeah, but you find the, what is it, the larger screen? Is that why you would use the LG though?

0:24:34Is that why you would prefer to use that?

0:24:36Yeah, also because if I'm in the bedroom I can concentrate a little more.

0:24:41It's easier for me to sort of isolate myself. The screen is also bigger and it's just better

0:24:48for my eyesight in general. Yeah.

0:24:52Cursor support is more than we expected, like that really exploded, like from when it was

0:24:57introduced to what we have now, it's a six month gap, it's so much more than we expected

0:25:02and like, wow, you know, blown away.

0:25:05Do you think that's going to happen for external monitors?

0:25:07Like, do you think there's going to be expanded support?

0:25:11Like is that really going to happen?

0:25:12Yeah, I think so.

0:25:13I think it's going to happen because all the PCs are in place at this point.

0:25:18If you consider, like Apple is the sort of company that likes to introduce new features

0:25:24by, and this is something that I actually write about in the story, they like to introduce

0:25:27new software features based on other existing features that they shipped before.

0:25:34It's sort of like this iterative process of like an API allows developers to ship a new

0:25:43feature and that feature is actually going to be at the foundation of another one next

0:25:48So if you look, for example, at what we have now, we have this pointer integration.

0:25:56So you have a system-wide pointer that you can use to interact with elements, with UI

0:26:02elements, any UI element, without touching the screen.

0:26:05And then we have the UICine API, which is the technology at the foundation of multi-window

0:26:14on iPad.

0:26:15So it used to be that before iPadOS, apps could only offer a single window, but now

0:26:24a developer can actually support multiple scenes, and each scene can be contained within

0:26:30its own window.

0:26:31So the theory would be that for Apple to support external displays, they would allow the user

0:26:40to say, "Okay, take one window and put it on an external display."

0:26:45And the developer would have the controls to say, well, this scene, this window, still

0:26:50running on the iPad, so offers these kinds of controls, this different scene, so you

0:26:55have that separation right between scenes, this different scene is actually running on

0:27:00an external display, which means I can do things, you know, I can support different

0:27:04interactions because I know a pointer is going to be used.

0:27:07And now you have a pointer that you can move across, you know, between the iPad and an

0:27:12external display.

0:27:13So you have all these technological pieces that can be at the foundation of that functionality.

0:27:19And I really think it's going to happen, because I would have been, like I would have said,

0:27:24if you asked me before 13.4, I would have said, yeah, maybe in the future, you know,

0:27:28maybe in a couple of years, the iPad is going to properly support external displays.

0:27:33But now I think we've seen, you know, besides the things that I've been writing about, we've

0:27:39seen all kinds of setups, you know, if you visit Reddit, the iPad community, or if you

0:27:46know, there's always, you know, that popular article of somebody using the iPad in some

0:27:50interesting ways. I think a lot of iPad Pro users have this kind of setup now, and I think

0:27:55Apple knows, you know, that they're looking at what the community is doing, they pay attention.

0:28:00And considering that all the, you know, now that we have multi-window, it's in there,

0:28:05in place and now we have the system-wide pointer, I think I wouldn't be surprised if it happens

0:28:11this year rather than 2021 or 2022. I think the timeline for that suddenly accelerated

0:28:18a lot because of the pointer. So I think it's going to happen. I'm very optimistic about

0:28:23it.

0:28:24Yeah, see, I wonder about this feature. Like, I would like it myself because I just always

0:28:28want more. But I just think that, like, I would be intrigued to see, like, if Apple

0:28:33to go down this route, how they sell it to people like is the reason you would want to

0:28:38do it, you know, because I think it's like a maybe a more complicated thing to cohesively

0:28:44explain than trackpad, like cursor support like that is just like, why everyone wants

0:28:50that, you know, like it's like a much easier like, oh, you like trackpads, you're used

0:28:54to trackpads, well then just go ahead and use one.

0:28:58like an external monitor is I think a little bit, it needs a more like kind of cohesive

0:29:04reason to exist for a lot of people and I would be intrigued to see how they would explain

0:29:11it in a way that would make people excited who don't already know why it would be good

0:29:16for them, you know?

0:29:17Well, I feel like in that case, you know, the simplest explanation is just, it's going

0:29:23to be what it is. Like if you have an iPad, you can work on the go when you arrive at

0:29:27home you can dock it in and you can still use it with a trackpad or you can touch the

0:29:33screen and you can put stuff on an external display. I don't think they need to have any

0:29:38fancy narrative for... just like, you know, they did the pointer, right? And of course

0:29:44it's optimized for the iPad and it's different in a bunch of ways from the Mac, but at the

0:29:50end of the day it's still a pointer, you can still control stuff. They did reinvent some

0:29:54of the interactions for the pointer, but it's still a pointer.

0:29:57The trackpad came with a, I mean it's not here yet, but like a whizbang new product,

0:30:03right?

0:30:04So like if you hadn't been able to conceive of why you would want it, look at this keyboard,

0:30:09look how amazing it looks.

0:30:10And I would love to see Apple debut a new product alongside that, right?

0:30:15Like oh we now have a display that doesn't cost $6,000 and we also have a solution, right,

0:30:23plug it in really easily, you know? Like, I would love that. I don't know if they would

0:30:29do it, but I hope that they would, you know? Like an Apple-made docking solution. It's

0:30:34like something simple, not something wild, right? But just like this mythical dock that's

0:30:39been USB-C, a Thunderbolt dock that's been around forever. I would love them to do something

0:30:46like that to help cohesively tell the story for other people.

0:30:51And also because if Apple did do this, we would all want that anyway.

0:30:57If they were like, "Oh, we've done this," it'd be like, "Okay, I now want a monitor

0:31:01that looks like my iPad display that can easily support my iPad display for resolution, and

0:31:08so I don't have to have these trail of cables all over the place."

0:31:12The only potential issue for not supporting external displays this year, I think the multitasking

0:31:20UI on iPad needs to change to support that sort of additional layer of window management.

0:31:28And I don't know if we're going to see multitasking changes on iPad this year.

0:31:34So that's one of the potential issues with, you know, let's wait until next year before

0:31:39we roll out support for external displays because I don't think the

0:31:43current system, the current UI is going to scale to that type of interaction.

0:31:49Has your shift to using your iPad in a more desktop like environment, has that made

0:31:53you reconsider the size iPad you have? You've got the 12.9 but would you

0:31:57consider a smaller one if your primary use now is this?

0:32:00No, I've seen that article on the

0:32:01sweet setup about, you know, now that we have track pads, let's all... no it's a

0:32:08perspective that I get. No, it's good. I just love the way you say "I've seen these people

0:32:13and their iPads." I mention this because like how Ryan was like "Hey, this article from

0:32:19the sweet setup is making me reconsider the 11-inch iPad Pro now that I can use a trackpad."

0:32:25And I strongly disagree with that notion because I always want the biggest iPad possible. Like

0:32:30yes, I know that I'm going to have a big UI and a big screen on an external monitor, but

0:32:36That's the whole point of my setup, is that when I just take the iPad and leave, it's

0:32:41still big enough for me to work in a comfortable way.

0:32:45Because I, like, the basic truth of the matter does not change.

0:32:49I don't want to be stuck at a desk forever.

0:32:51I just want to have the option.

0:32:53And that's why the article is called "Modular," because it supports, like, different modes

0:32:58and has this sort of modularity built in.

0:33:01Like, you add a display?

0:33:02Sure.

0:33:03You add a keyboard?

0:33:04Sure.

0:33:05or it's still an iPad.

0:33:07And because I wanna make sure that I can still use it

0:33:10as an iPad, for me, that means having

0:33:13the biggest iPad possible, because I need to see,

0:33:16you know, my big windows and my big text,

0:33:19because I'm an old person now, and my eyesight is bad.

0:33:23- And you love your big windows.

0:33:24- I love my big windows, right?

0:33:27I get the sentiment, I know that a bunch of people

0:33:29will now follow that advice, but it does not apply to me.

0:33:34I still think that's the best iPad 11 for most people.

0:33:37It still is the best iPad for most people.

0:33:39I just say I prefer to use on a daily basis to 12.9,

0:33:45but you've got to have a reason, I think.

0:33:47You've got to know.

0:33:49I always say this to people.

0:33:50I don't know if you agree, Federico,

0:33:52but you know if you want the big one.

0:33:55If you don't know you want the big one, then get the small one.

0:33:57It's good advice.

0:33:59I think it's pretty simple,

0:34:01because they're not that different in size anymore,

0:34:04but they feel very different.

0:34:06If you're asking whether you should get the 12.9,

0:34:10that means you should buy the 11.

0:34:11Hey, that's good.

0:34:13I like that.

0:34:13That's even better than the way I say it.

0:34:15I might steal that.

0:34:16And plus, these things might get even heavier

0:34:18when we start putting these keyboards on them, right?

0:34:19Am I right?

0:34:20Thanks, Amazon.

0:34:21That's the thing, isn't it?

0:34:22This is what I heard now.

0:34:23Yeah, so let me talk through this.

0:34:25So Amazon has the Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro

0:34:28available for pre-order.

0:34:30Yeah, who knows how or why that's that's possible. Apparently, it's been up for several days,

0:34:34and a bunch of people just noticed it last night. And Federico, you pointed out that

0:34:40these product pages had the weight for the new keyboards. There's a lot of questions

0:34:45in this but the the pages state for the 11 inch 1.81 pounds or 822 grams, and then 2.41

0:34:54or 1093 grams for the 12.9 inch model. It is unknown if that includes the weight of

0:35:00the iPad, it includes the weight of the box, like everyone has their own...

0:35:05It definitely doesn't include the weight of the iPad. That is a wild theory.

0:35:09I don't think it does until I actually did the math and if you include the iPad then

0:35:14it's about the same step up in weight we saw from the old smart keyboards to the current

0:35:20It's like, who knows? It could be. Who knows? It could be. That doesn't make any sense to me though.

0:35:27Like, why? It's more likely to include, I mean, Amazon is a logistics company, like,

0:35:31what they have is the weight of the keyboard in a box. Sure, and in that case, it's hard to nail

0:35:37down what these would weigh unless you had those boxes on hand. Anyways, the exact numbers

0:35:42aren't important. I was either going to read an hour of the news, or I was going to spend an hour

0:35:46we're like doing math about grams. It's like I'm gonna do math about grams to talk about iPad keyboard cases

0:35:51So part of it is a fun distraction

0:35:52But there's no doubt that these things are going to be heavier and what's so interesting to me is Apple has not

0:35:59Told anyone what the weights are like including press who have asked like no word whether it's you know

0:36:05These numbers that are in this article that I wrote or some other numbers

0:36:08I think it's safe to say it's going to increase and I just wonder especially on the 12.9

0:36:13its model like you're gonna be in MacBook Pro territory real quick with

0:36:17the weight and I don't think that's a big deal but I just think it's really

0:36:20interesting that we just don't know for something that's going to be coming out

0:36:23you know in three to six weeks. My if I was gonna like put my money on the table

0:36:29I would say that these keyboards will weigh very close to the weight of their

0:36:33respective iPads. So you would effectively be doubling yeah and the

0:36:39the iPads now they those weights are I thought I've read it in the article

0:36:46maybe I didn't those weights are on the website though and it's um doubling it

0:36:49seems fair to me I think when you go over that line it's like whoa yeah so

0:36:54like the 12.9 is 641 grams okay and the 11 inch is 471 grams I think it'll be

0:37:07close. I think a lot of people and this is being said in the chat room and it

0:37:10goes to your point earlier about like a docking station they're gonna be I think

0:37:14a lot of people that maybe just use this on their desk because of the way if it

0:37:18does work the way that video shows and we have like a two second clip like if

0:37:21it really stays in place when you take the iPad off of it like yeah like you

0:37:25could totally see how it's just on your desk and then when you go somewhere you

0:37:28just slip it in your bag and leave the keyboard behind so who knows it's got to

0:37:32have some amount of weight so that's all possible but it's just it was just like

0:37:37an interesting detail that Amazon shared it's like we don't really know what it

0:37:40means this is what it could mean it's a fun way to spend an evening I think what

0:37:44we know like what this has shown us is what we already knew which is these

0:37:47things are heavy yes and they're heavier than the smart keyboards yeah which you

0:37:51know we knew that but now well we assumed it right because physics and

0:37:56stuff but you know we now have an idea that it is gonna be that way but I just

0:38:01I just think, like, so, I don't think,

0:38:03I think this thing will be heavy.

0:38:04I think it has to be heavy to allow for the balance, right?

0:38:09Because you don't want this whole thing

0:38:11to topple over on its back every time you touch the screen.

0:38:14And I don't think it's a problem

0:38:16because it will be about the weight

0:38:18of like a laptop at that point,

0:38:19which I think is perfectly fine,

0:38:21because that's its use case, you know?

0:38:23Like, you use it like you would use a laptop.

0:38:26And at that point, it doesn't matter

0:38:27that it's the weight of a laptop.

0:38:29And also, in the same vein of like,

0:38:30If you are able to do what Apple have shown, which is that you can just pick this thing

0:38:35up, it can't weigh a ton less than the thing that it's detaching from, because otherwise

0:38:43the force that you apply to the iPad, you just pick it up every time.

0:38:46So it has to have some heft to it.

0:38:49Yeah, I think so.

0:38:51So we'll know soon enough, I guess, right?

0:38:53It's going to be coming in May at some point.

0:38:56May 30th, it's coming at the end of the month.

0:39:00My question here is just how much will these things be back ordered when they eventually

0:39:07come out and...

0:39:08It's gonna be a nightmare.

0:39:11And how long will I have to wait before I get from the Italian Apple store a Magic Keyboard

0:39:18in the US English layout?

0:39:21Because that's what I gotta do.

0:39:22Like 2024.

0:39:23It's gonna be a long time.

0:39:25I'm gonna get it next year for sure.

0:39:28[laughter]

0:39:30These things are going to be difficult. These things are going to be difficult, right?

0:39:35Like, you know, my hope would be that they decided to just go for May so it wouldn't be, right?

0:39:42So like that will be like pretty available, but I don't think that's the case. I think that this is gonna be a pretty

0:39:48constrained product.

0:39:50Like every other product before it.

0:39:53John Voorhees is gonna be shipping you one.

0:39:55That's what's gonna happen.

0:39:57Well, he cannot leave the house, so I don't wanna...

0:40:00Well, he drove through a snowstorm once before, right? Like the man will go to Wild Lakes

0:40:05for you.

0:40:06Yeah, but also, I would feel really bad about, you know, tasking John with leaving the house

0:40:11right now just to ship me a Magic Keyboard. But I mean, it's...

0:40:15So we have learnt the limit. So, pandemic, no. Blizzard, yes.

0:40:20Oh, Blizzard's fine. The man who lives in Chicago is used to it.

0:40:25Okay.

0:40:26Pandemic though, it's a hard one. I gotta think about it.

0:40:30It's a hard compare, it's a tough compare for you that one.

0:40:32Probably global pandemic is where I draw the line, but I'm not totally sure at this point.

0:40:37It's a good place to draw a line, like you know, it's good to have lines drawn.

0:40:42I mean what's more extreme? If this isn't it, where is the line?

0:40:45Well, you know, maybe next month the situation is gonna be better and you know,

0:40:53way you can put on a mask, a bunch of gloves and protective gear.

0:40:58Yeah.

0:40:59And go to the…

0:41:00A bunch of gloves.

0:41:01Bunch of gloves.

0:41:02Yeah, you want multiple gloves.

0:41:05And go to the UPS store for me.

0:41:07But no, I'm just going to order from the Italian Apple store.

0:41:14And worst case scenario, I'm going to order two, one with the Italian layout, which I

0:41:18I guess it's going to be, you know, the stock for that in Italy is going to be easier to

0:41:23manage and then I will just wait for the US English one because I know that ordering like

0:41:27international layouts from the Italian Apple store always has a longer shipping time. So

0:41:34it's fine. I'll probably order two of them and draw the line a global pandemic in regards

0:41:39to John Voorhees.

0:41:41I have a funny, it's not like haha, but like a weird little thing that I realized when

0:41:46I got my new iPad, that I have been using my iPad's keyboard in the American keyboard

0:41:56layout for I don't know how long.

0:41:58Because I realised when I set up my new iPad, I was like, "Oh, it's the actual return key."

0:42:05Like the one that I'm used to.

0:42:07And I have no idea how long I had been using it otherwise or why, but that's the thing

0:42:13that's happened to me.

0:42:15So now my keyboard is a little bit different than it was before and it's very confusing

0:42:20and refreshing at the same time.

0:42:22It's very strange.

0:42:25And I assume there must have been some reason, some accessory or something that made me do

0:42:29it because I remember the smart keyboard, I had it in American layout because it was

0:42:34all you could get and I bet I said it then, when I got the original smart keyboard and

0:42:39how many ever iPads ago that was, and I set it up and then just left it and then just

0:42:44ignored it because I so infrequently use the software keyboard that I wouldn't even notice

0:42:49it anyway.

0:42:50Yeah, this is one of the only instances where I have to agree with Casey Lee's American

0:42:56exceptionalism angle. It is really a great layout, the US English one.

0:43:03The British English layout is great, and we have the extra size on that return key. Big

0:43:08chunky return key. I love my big return key.

0:43:10Yeah, but I do prefer the American one. In this case, I do prefer the American one.

0:43:14Have you used the British layout?

0:43:15I have, and I believe that in addition to the return key there was also another difference

0:43:19for me.

0:43:21Why don't we do the outbreak and I'm gonna confirm real quick because I believe that

0:43:26I had an opinion, but I have forgotten that opinion.

0:43:31I just need to...

0:43:32One of the great things about the British layout is we have like just a key that you

0:43:36press to get the pound symbol, the hashtag symbol.

0:43:38We don't have to do some weird thing to the number three.

0:43:40Let me remember my opinion and I will confirm it to you again.

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0:45:31So I believe I was of the opinion that the

0:45:35US English keyboard layout was

0:45:39preferable, personally speaking, to the UK one,

0:45:43because due to the smaller shape of the return key,

0:45:47the US layout has a backslash

0:45:51key next to the square brackets, which I found useful

0:45:55for writing code on my iPad, for escaping things in JavaScript.

0:46:00So that's why. There's a backslash and a pipe character next to the square brackets and curly brackets

0:46:06on the right side of the keyboard.

0:46:08Right, but there's a backslash key on the left hand side.

0:46:11Well, I guess it depends on the keyboard. Alright, fine.

0:46:13That was why. And I thought, especially with curly brackets and square brackets,

0:46:17it was handy to have the backslash in there.

0:46:20I mean, on a lot of keyboards though, there's a backslash on the left hand side

0:46:24next to the left shift and the left shift is smaller. I don't know how Apple's software

0:46:28keyboard does it off the top of my head. But there is a backslash key.

0:46:32I know that there is one but I just prefer the like I just liked it better. Like it's one of

0:46:38the few things that I like better like about America. I don't like this. That's certainly

0:46:43what I think about. Let's move on though. Underscore David Smith has a new app called

0:46:47WatchSmith. Federica do you want to explain what this app does? Sure, you can watch David. It's a

0:46:53live stream app. It's called WatchSmith. It's a live cam. It's called... Like how you get

0:46:59those animal zoo cams? Yeah. It's like, you want to watch how developers work in the wild.

0:47:04It's like, oh, he's eating. Oh, so cute. He's sleeping under the tree. It's literally in

0:47:09the name. You watch Smith. Oh, he's got two Apple watches on and he's walking around in

0:47:14circles. Yeah. And especially during this global pandemic time, we could all use, you

0:47:19you know, tune in and watch Smith do his things.

0:47:24- You feel like you're working with him.

0:47:25- It really brings you closer to the, you know,

0:47:27to the life of an indie developer.

0:47:30- Hey, you guys know what the most popular webcam is

0:47:33for zoos right now?

0:47:34The pandadymic camera.

0:47:37- Oh my God.

0:47:41- Get out of here.

0:47:43- So we have another sponsor for this episode.

0:47:47I could probably wrap it up here. My thanks go to, let's see, Ball and Branch. Thank you.

0:47:57I'm afraid Steven ruined the show. The chatroom is very upset with me.

0:48:03Everyone's upset with you. You gotta understand, Steven. He's a father

0:48:07and he feels compelled to share this. Yeah.

0:48:11Oh, God. I actually feel, like, not good now.

0:48:15Yeah, the humor is just so overwhelming to you.

0:48:18Oh my god.

0:48:19Watch Smith, tell us about this magic.

0:48:21I believe this used to be called, you know, when David was talking about this idea with

0:48:26his close friends, Project Geneva.

0:48:28He also mentioned that on podcasts.

0:48:31So the idea behind Watch Smith, which is the official name, is now out on the App Store,

0:48:35is it's a utility that lets you design your own Apple Watch complications.

0:48:41So you can choose from different types of complications.

0:48:45I believe 37 types of complications are supported across different watch faces.

0:48:53So not all watch faces are supported at the moment, but there's a really great selection

0:48:57of options like for the Infograph and the Infograph Modular, the X-ray watch face.

0:49:05There's some choice in there.

0:49:07And you can create your own custom complications choosing from different types of complications.

0:49:12So like the small circle ones, or the ones that go in an angle of the display, the big

0:49:19for example in the Infograph Modular Phase you can create the big middle one.

0:49:26And what you can do, so this is like a design, in a way it's like a design app in that you

0:49:32You can go in there and choose your watch face and choose your complication and design

0:49:37it yourself.

0:49:38So you choose the type of complication, you choose the data source, like do you want this

0:49:42to be a date complication or do you want this to be a weather complication or should it

0:49:47be about your activity or about your calendar.

0:49:53And then you can choose the font and then you can choose the style and then you can

0:49:56choose the color.

0:49:58So you actually do create your own custom complications, choosing from a set of supported

0:50:05types, choosing from a set of data sources.

0:50:08You put it all together, you save it, then you go to the watch app, the Apple watch app

0:50:16to customize your watch, and you choose your watch face and you select WatchSmith and there

0:50:21you go, you have your custom complication installed.

0:50:24It is really incredible, I think, what David has been able to do here. But in addition

0:50:29to the customization of the whole thing, like, again, multiple fonts, multiple colors, multiple

0:50:35data sources, multiple layouts, the really impressive part is that WatchSmith also supports

0:50:43scheduling complications for different times of the day. So this is an API that I believe

0:50:49Apple launched a couple of years ago and it used to be limited to like cards in the Siri

0:50:55watch phase, like you could show different cards at different times of the day.

0:50:59Then last year I think developer Aaron Pierce was first to do this sort of feature with

0:51:06HomeRun, which is a HomeKit utility for the watch that lets you show different HomeKit

0:51:11complications at different times of the day.

0:51:14The idea being that maybe in the morning you want to turn on your coffee, your special

0:51:19machine, and maybe in the evening you want to have a button to turn off your lights.

0:51:23This is a similar idea, but done in a much more extensive way in WatchSmith.

0:51:28You can schedule up to... how many hours in a day?

0:51:3224?

0:51:33Yeah, 24.

0:51:34So I guess you can schedule 24 complications in WatchSmith.

0:51:37Each can take up to an entire hour block.

0:51:43There's an analog clock UI that actually lets you see from 1pm to 2pm show this complication.

0:51:51At 2pm until 6pm, it automatically cycles to this other complication.

0:51:57And it can actually manage all the complications that you want to see appear on your watch

0:52:02face automatically without you having to change them at different times of the day.

0:52:07It is very clever.

0:52:08Very clever.

0:52:09How do you guys feel about it?

0:52:10I'm very impressed by what David did here.

0:52:13So I think that, can I just talk about this as like a watch fan?

0:52:17Because this is what I like about this application.

0:52:20So I've been talking with Dave for a while about this because I wanted to give my input

0:52:25on like here are some things that I want.

0:52:27Because the thing that frustrates me about Apple's watch faces is like that I can't customize

0:52:33them the way that I want to for visual reasons, right?

0:52:38I don't necessarily want all of the computer stuff my watch can do.

0:52:43Like I don't, I don't really want my calendar on my watch face.

0:52:47Neither do I want my to do out there anymore.

0:52:50I just don't want that sort of stuff anymore on my watch.

0:52:53Right.

0:52:53I will go into the apps or get notifications if I'm wearing the watch for this stuff.

0:52:58But what I do want more of is smart things that my watch can do

0:53:03because it's connected to the Internet.

0:53:05and this is what WatchSmith allows me to have. So when I'm using WatchSmith, I use one of the

0:53:11watch faces, I either use California or there's another one that I don't remember the name of,

0:53:19but it's like one of the more simple ones and it has two spots or Meridian I think it's called,

0:53:24right? It has like three spots on it or something. But the ones that I like, I like to have the day

0:53:30of the week indicator where it's just like the abbreviations for each day in a

0:53:36little circle and it just points to which one it is I just think it's really

0:53:39pretty plus I like that you can choose not only the font but what the little

0:53:44indicator looks like like the little hand which points you can choose what

0:53:48you want it to look like which I like because it's the visual stuff that I

0:53:51want but I also just I really like the like the moon phase ones right so you

0:53:57you can choose, I want to get the actual name of it because I asked specifically for this

0:54:02one and I don't want to get the name wrong. It is called Classic Moonphase. So this is

0:54:09the idea of like through a day you can see the moon rise and go down again. You see this

0:54:15sort of stuff a lot on traditional watches and I wanted that on the Apple Watch and I

0:54:21couldn't find any way to get it. But they've made it and put it in this app and I think

0:54:25great that I can have these more traditional watch elements on my Apple watch for visual stuff,

0:54:32as well as being able to have smarter things like much nicer complication designs for temperature

0:54:39things or to be able to have a battery indicator if I want, which is a number, but I can choose

0:54:45the color and the font for it. I like that I can do that because it's enabling me to do something

0:54:50which I like, which is to choose a watch, right, when I'm choosing real watches,

0:54:55that fit my design tastes, right, but then can also be changed like a computer watch should be

0:55:04able to be changed. Like it allows for more configuration but without sacrificing design.

0:55:10Like the app itself, as Federico was alluding to, it gets complicated because there's lots of

0:55:17options but to get the true personalization that's what you want right like I want to be able to choose

0:55:25the font and the color and what the the actual hand looks like itself so I can get it to look

0:55:33exactly the way that I want. One other thing that Dave does with this app which must have been

0:55:37incredibly difficult to do but I love it because it's something I hate about the Apple Watch

0:55:42It's the complications adjust so you can still see them if the hand is over them.

0:55:49How?

0:55:50So he moves the UI around with incredibly complicated math and knowing the way that

0:55:55the design of the watch works, right? Like that's the only way you can make this work,

0:55:58which is what Dave did. Because I hate that the Apple Watch, the hands, cover the complications.

0:56:04This shouldn't happen. That is a thing that happens on real watches because it's physical.

0:56:10There are things that Apple does sometimes, which I hate about the Apple Watch design,

0:56:15where they mirror the physical into the digital world when that is not necessary.

0:56:19And so I love that Dave did this because that's the way that all complications should work.

0:56:25So what I like about this app, which is different to what most people like about this app,

0:56:30I like that it bridges traditional watches and the Apple Watch. So when I'm wearing the Apple Watch,

0:56:36I can have it look more like a watch, which is what I want.

0:56:40And then but you can go into many realms and have your calendar

0:56:45there in different ways and all that kind of stuff.

0:56:47And if you're going to do that, I think that there should be an ability

0:56:51which Watch Smith allows to allow you to customize it very heavily

0:56:55because you are wearing it on your wrist.

0:56:57Like I think that this this app really for me.

0:57:02only shows more the fact that Apple has not done enough with customization of the Apple watch

0:57:09because then you do start running things that I find frustrating where it's like I want to use

0:57:14this watch face now but I can only use this type of complication right and I can't use all I can't

0:57:21have multiple complications of the same type on this watch face it's like why why can't I have

0:57:27two of these little circle ones on there oh no because you have to have this circle one and this

0:57:32big circle one. It's like, why Apple? Why is it this way? These are the things that

0:57:38continue to be frustrating to me, and I hope that we see more. But I think that Dave has

0:57:42done a great job. It is also worth noting that _DavidSmith is a close personal friend

0:57:46of all of ours, but this is a very, very good application. So that's what I wanted to say.

0:57:52In the past, if you wanted to mimic this, you could have multiple watch faces set up,

0:57:56right? So if you wanted one with complications for work, like your meetings and your to-do

0:58:01list and then when you got home you just wanted you know sunset time and the

0:58:05weather you could do that but then you were juggling watch faces and what's

0:58:09great about this is that it it means that your watch face can change over the

0:58:14course of a day without you having to fiddle with it or remember and I mean I

0:58:18said this in my blog post and I really mean it I don't think there's anyone

0:58:22outside of Apple who understands watchOS development as much as underscore

0:58:26Like he is pushing this thing way further than most developers are and I think Apple

0:58:32should pay attention to that.

0:58:34And I'm not saying I want my friend's app to be Sherlock's, but boy this stuff should

0:58:38be in the system by this point.

0:58:39I mean the watch is coming up on five years old.

0:58:41It's like we're still stuck with so many of the original assumptions that Apple made about

0:58:46it and it feels stagnant in a lot of areas because of that.

0:58:49Yeah, I also want to cut out some of the details that I really love about WatchSmith.

0:58:54By far my favorite feature is the support for multiple time zones, which is part of

0:58:59the subscription model that we should also mention.

0:59:03You can download WatchSmith for free, but some of the complications, because they're

0:59:06based on data sources that require like that ever, like a server component that require

0:59:12WatchSmith.

0:59:13Yeah, a dark sky.

0:59:14Right, the weather is part of that, time zones are also part of that.

0:59:20The app you can subscribe to get all the complication types, $2 a month, so $1.99 a month, or $19.99

0:59:28a year.

0:59:30Right now I'm subscribed monthly, but I'm probably going to switch to annually at some

0:59:34point.

0:59:36And I did subscribe because of the timezone support.

0:59:39So the idea would be that I can check on multiple timezones at once in the WatchSmith app, but

0:59:45The really impressive part is that I can see multiple time zones at a glance in a complication.

0:59:51So with the Infogram...

0:59:52I believe it's called the Infogram Modular, this one?

0:59:55Yeah, the Infogram Modular.

0:59:57The big complication in the middle of the screen is like a timeline.

1:00:01So I put a timeline that shows me different time zones with their abbreviations.

1:00:09So for example, New York City, Rome, Chicago, and Cupertino are the ones that...

1:00:13I should add London because of Myke as well.

1:00:17Hello.

1:00:18I have Rome in all of my things because of you,

1:00:20so I think it's only fair.

1:00:21I will add London as well.

1:00:22So now I see this horizontal timeline

1:00:26of different time zones around the world, which

1:00:27is really, really excellent.

1:00:30But I'm also considering the weather,

1:00:31and I see by following the new WatchSmith app

1:00:37account on Twitter, I see that David has been tweeting

1:00:41about a new weather complication style that's like a boxy graph style, which I really like.

1:00:49So I guess that about sums up my feelings on this. It's going to be so much fun to play

1:00:56around, especially for somebody like me who loves to tweak things and play around with

1:01:01different settings. This is heaven for you because you can choose literally everything

1:01:05about the app. And I'm going to be spending so much time changing fonts and colors and

1:01:10choosing different settings. I saw somewhere, again on Twitter, in a reply to somebody else

1:01:16that David suggested supporting any arbitrary source of JSON data. So like a URL that points

1:01:29you to some data in the JSON format. And I'm more like, my brain is already thinking about

1:01:35all the different things that I could do with like Zapier and like, you know, exposing like

1:01:41custom data over a URL and turning that into a complication in WatchSmith. That would be

1:01:50incredible. So.

1:01:52If I'm going to wear a computer.

1:01:54Exactly.

1:01:55I want it to be very customizable. That's what I want. Because if I, you know, it's

1:02:00never going to look good as watches that I could choose for the same amount of money.

1:02:03And the reason for that is not that the Apple Watch is ugly, is that there are lots and

1:02:07lots and lots of decisions that you can make about a watch that you want and Apple sells

1:02:12you one style.

1:02:14You can get it in different finishes but it's one physical style which might not necessarily

1:02:19be the style you would choose given the same amount of money to go and buy a watch.

1:02:24So if I'm going to wear this one design, I want it to be the best that a computer watch

1:02:30can be, which is, let me choose everything. Right. And I think that's, this is what David

1:02:37is starting to allow with this application is, is it's very impressive.

1:02:41We have some iOS 14 home screen rumors. I was 14 still floating about there somewhere. So this is

1:02:51on nine to five Mac and comes from a couple of different sources. But we have some home screen

1:02:58Apparent stuff some collection stuff Myke do you want to walk us through this?

1:03:01Yes, so there's been a couple of things going on here

1:03:05Nine to five Mac are reporting on this it came from a third-party source a Twitter user

1:03:12Goes by the name dongle book Pro, which I appreciate but they said that it corroborates information that they had found out so breaking down

1:03:20the

1:03:22current existing wallpaper types into collections. So one called classic stripes, one called earth and moon, and one called flowers

1:03:28these are the ones that Apple already make and you know

1:03:31You might imagine that you would want to do that because Apple is potentially looking at third-party packs

1:03:36If you remember that rumor from previously, so if you were to install like

1:03:41Other sources for wallpapers, you might want to have collections already built in so they can plug into that area

1:03:47Apple would also look like that they are going to be expanding to

1:03:51different appearance options so that you could choose just basic colors or basic dynamic

1:03:58wallpapers or smart gradients as an option for the home screen. So you would have to

1:04:03be able to choose just basic colors or I like the idea of a gradient and smart gradient

1:04:09I'm sure would mean would easily move between light and dark mode. That's what I expect

1:04:13that's doing, right? That makes sense to you guys? I guess so, yeah. Right, like I don't

1:04:19know what else would be smart about a gradient. I don't know how smart you can make them.

1:04:26The report goes on to say "We can say that Apple is working to provide real widgets on

1:04:30the iPhone and iPad home screen for the first time. Instead of pinned widgets like on iPad

1:04:34OS 13, the new widgets on iOS 14 could be moved around just like any app icon." So the

1:04:40idea of widgets on the home screen like they are on Android that we've thought about and

1:04:45and spoke about and wanted for a long time.

1:04:47Seems like it may actually be coming to iOS 14,

1:04:50but like any good homescreen,

1:04:53like any good iOS rumor, the report does go on to say,

1:04:56but of course this could be scrapped at any time.

1:04:59I saw a concept floating around by Parker Otellani,

1:05:04showing what this could look like,

1:05:06which, and I like the way this looked,

1:05:08you know, it's kind of like a blending between,

1:05:10basically what Parker has created

1:05:13is a selection of widget designs based on existing widgets

1:05:17that look like they belong on an iPhone home screen

1:05:20because they're basically two or three or four app icons

1:05:24in size just smushed together,

1:05:26which I think this kind of design would work well.

1:05:29This did make me think, I don't know about you guys,

1:05:31I feel like I'm seeing a lot of concepts,

1:05:33more concepts than ever these days.

1:05:35- It's that time of the year and--

1:05:38- Just in general, I mean, maybe UI designers are at home,

1:05:41got a bit of extra time on their hands, you know, people making concepts.

1:05:46And I think it's also much easier than before because we have so many new design tools to

1:05:50actually make a credible replica of an iOS device.

1:05:57I like the idea of widgets, right? Done well, done tastefully, this could be really nice.

1:06:02They should do it. They should do it. They should allow for multiple widget sizes. I

1:06:06believe we've seen this in the Parkers mockups, by the way, are really good. It's not the

1:06:11the first time that I've seen Parker's name in the in 9to5Mac lately. They should support

1:06:18multiple widget sizes, so like a compact layout, an expanded layout. They should also do, I'm

1:06:24gonna you know throw my ideas out there, they should also support live icons similar to

1:06:30the calendar. Is the clock icon by Apple also a live icon? Yeah, so it is. Yeah, it even

1:06:36has the seconds hand like so you can watch seconds ticking. Live icons could be the next

1:06:41customizable icons, so like, you know, another nice new thing for developers to support, and

1:06:46I'm gonna go right ahead and say it. They should do live

1:06:52shortcuts on the home screen.

1:06:54So imagine a shortcut that could have, that is not just a static icon,

1:06:59maybe with a custom glyph that you bought from Mac Stories, but also like an actual live tile

1:07:06that shows you progress, maybe shows you some kind of UI, some kind of

1:07:12confirmation message of sorts. Like imagine instead of just like tapping an icon to open the shortcuts app that runs the shortcut for you,

1:07:20imagine having some kind of like staying on the home screen, first of all, not having to launch the shortcuts app when you run a shortcut,

1:07:27but also to have some kind of visual confirmation of the shortcut in there. And then of course if the shortcut requires

1:07:35interaction, like typing some text or choosing from a list. Maybe

1:07:39it could show you those elements on the home screen or maybe could just take you back to the shortcuts app and that would be

1:07:45fine. But for most shortcuts, I would love the ability to run them as live icons, live tiles, columns, whatever,

1:07:51from the home screen right there without launching shortcuts with some kind of

1:07:56visual aspect to them.

1:07:59That would be really good. I would like that too.

1:08:02Just to make it make things feel a bit more alive like not everything needs to be a widget, right?

1:08:07No.

1:08:07Like having these live icons that might be enough for a lot of things.

1:08:11Not everything needs a widget.

1:08:12"Let's get weird" is my message to Apple.

1:08:15Do weird things!

1:08:17Do new things!

1:08:18Whatever, it's 2020, there's a global pandemic going on.

1:08:21Get weird because we could all use it.

1:08:23Is this your platform for 2020?

1:08:25Let's get weird.

1:08:26This is my platform.

1:08:28Let's get weird.

1:08:29Okay.

1:08:29Yes.

1:08:30It's good.

1:08:30I think this all started with kickstands.

1:08:32Honestly, can you disagree with my approach?

1:08:36Like see?

1:08:37No.

1:08:38We could all...

1:08:39Federico, I use my iPad with a, you know, a plugged in RGB split keyboard.

1:08:47I'm on board with being with baby.

1:08:49That sounds lovely.

1:08:50I love it.

1:08:51Yes.

1:08:52Can you say that again?

1:08:53Can you say those words again?

1:08:54I use my iPad in a stand with a keyboard which needs two USB-C cables plugged into a splitter

1:09:02which has RGB cycling lights with the keyboard physically splitting off.

1:09:07Did you hear that, Steven?

1:09:08Can you do the stuff with your Macintosh's?

1:09:11I bet you can't.

1:09:12Macintosh's.

1:09:14If they add widgets to the home screen, I totally think they should.

1:09:17Would they get rid of the row of widgets in the TodayView?

1:09:21these kind of become one thing you think or would they keep like you put widgets

1:09:25you need on the home screen like secondary widgets still over there on

1:09:27the side? There could be a page on the side but I think the system to design

1:09:32and create widgets the old one should be scrapped and and actually release a new

1:09:37framework. I think I would want them in both places personally. Same but I

1:09:43think the technology developers used to make them should be a new one because

1:09:48the old widget system is limited in a bunch of weird ways.

1:09:51It's so old now.

1:09:52It's so old, there have always been layout problems, like when you expand a widget from

1:09:58the compact layout to the expanded one, some weird stuff always happens. And not the good

1:10:04weird, the bad weird. They do not support keyboard input, for example, whereas I think

1:10:12it should really be a more flexible system and also the UI that you can show in there

1:10:18is super limited.

1:10:19It should be a new one, you should have the option of choosing like is this... like the

1:10:24idea of like widget, an icon, maybe it's an old one, maybe everything should become a

1:10:30new, more dynamic sort of thing.

1:10:32And I don't mean that I want like all my icons to move, like, you know, flash different images

1:10:40all at once, but you have a more dynamic system for some things. I don't know, like an Apple

1:10:47Music widget. That would be beautiful. And yes, I'm fully aware that this is stuff that

1:10:51Android has done for a while. I just want the same, maybe a little more, done in an

1:10:57Apple fashion. That's what I'm asking for.

1:11:00Android has been doing this for 10 years. 10 years we've been asking for it. Come on,

1:11:05Apple.

1:11:06If you if you overdo it though, your phone is looking like the Las Vegas strip, right?

1:11:10Like there's...

1:11:11See, I know.

1:11:12I know you were going to say that.

1:11:14I don't want that, obviously.

1:11:16But yeah, you know, moderation, everything in moderation.

1:11:21Customize responsibly.

1:11:22Yes.

1:11:23All right.

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1:13:10and Relay FM. Before we talk about the last topic I have a quick request for

1:13:15connected listeners. I want to understand why people love Notion so much. Oh no,

1:13:23- Oh, what are you doing to yourself?

1:13:26Have you heard the good news about Notion?

1:13:28- No, I have not.

1:13:29- You're gonna hear it.

1:13:32- So here's my request.

1:13:34I want to know your interesting and weird in a good way

1:13:39and fun things in which you're using Notion.

1:13:44Like I get the basic like note taking stuff

1:13:47and you can link multiple pages with each other

1:13:50and you can have tables.

1:13:52Like the basics I understand.

1:13:54I've played with Notion.

1:13:56I was not impressed by the fact that it was like a web app

1:13:59running on my iPhone or the iPad,

1:14:01but I see that they have a slightly better

1:14:04iPad version out today.

1:14:06So I wanna check that out again,

1:14:07but I also wanna understand

1:14:08what are some of the most impressive setups

1:14:11that people have in Notion?

1:14:12Like some fascinating,

1:14:15even if it's like a super niche type of approach,

1:14:19I wanna know about that.

1:14:20I wanna hear from you.

1:14:21So let me know if you're using Notion in a fun, interesting,

1:14:27fascinating, weird, in a good way setup.

1:14:31I want to see that.

1:14:32I want to know about you.

1:14:33So let me know.

1:14:34That was my request.

1:14:35That was my official request.

1:14:37You're going to get a lot of resources.

1:14:39See, resources are fine as long as they have actual examples

1:14:42I can study.

1:14:44I'm done, Steven.

1:14:45Yes, thank you.

1:14:46Mac madness.

1:14:48So in the show notes in the chat room right now,

1:14:52I have an image that is my bracket, how I filled it out.

1:14:57- Which is our request to you.

1:14:59- Yes, it's pretty different from how it went down

1:15:01in the real world.

1:15:02And it's probably not a surprise,

1:15:05anyone who follows my stuff, kinda how I would vote.

1:15:09But Myke, I believe you wanted to ask me about this

1:15:12and I guess we could talk about the winner.

1:15:14- Well, I think we should start by talking about the winner

1:15:17because like and then we can actually talk about your picks it's just like a completely different thing.

1:15:21Sure.

1:15:21The winner was the Cube, so connected listeners came through.

1:15:24Go Cube.

1:15:25Go Cube.

1:15:26And they voted for the Cube.

1:15:27The Cube was the right winner out of the two, it just was.

1:15:30It was the most exciting and the most interesting.

1:15:32Very close.

1:15:33I know. What was the final?

1:15:35It won with 51.3% of the votes.

1:15:38Woo!

1:15:39About half the time when I looked at the at the results as they were coming in it was split dead 50/50.

1:15:44Wow.

1:15:45Like it was wild.

1:15:46Look, I think everyone can agree.

1:15:49This went in places that maybe it shouldn't have.

1:15:51You know, I think everyone can decide themselves what they think about that, right?

1:15:56But of the two, I mean, I'm just happy to see that the Cube was the winner.

1:16:01Because you know, their laptop could have been any laptop, who would know?

1:16:04Right?

1:16:05It's just a matter of a problem.

1:16:06But let's talk about yours.

1:16:07Let's talk about your bracket here.

1:16:10I don't know if we want to go through every...

1:16:12No, that's a lot.

1:16:15every one seems like a lot but I do want to touch on some of these here I think

1:16:20we should maybe start with some heavy hitters so the Mac pros so you had the

1:16:26Mac Pro 2019 go further than any other pro Mac yeah you took that all the way

1:16:33through to the quarterfinals mm-hmm why because it's I really do love this

1:16:38computer I mean it's the first Mac Pro I've owned and it's like a return to

1:16:43really heavy hitting Mac hardware from Apple and I think that it's just

1:16:47fantastic. Okay we'll make sure that Steven's bracket is in the show notes if

1:16:51you want to follow along. Yes. One that we were hearing about a lot was the SE30.

1:16:56Uh-huh. You had the SE30 go out in round two to the iMac G3. I think again you

1:17:05can see here why random seeding was terrible for that particular thing alone

1:17:10Right. It's one that hurt from it. Yeah, so I had to move on. I had to beat the retina

1:17:16MacBook Pro that the audience put into the finals. So that's the biggest difference between

1:17:20my bracket and the public's I think. The SC 30 was a great machine and it was the capstone

1:17:27to that early Macintosh period, right? And lots of people have written about that and

1:17:30talked about it. And for me, it does signify that, you know, the random MacBook Pro from

1:17:3812 to 15 like it's a great computer but this is favorite and I think the SC 30

1:17:43kind of pulls on my heartstrings more than that MacBook Pro but look the iMac

1:17:47g3 I mean it's it's it's a machine that I have spent so much time with I did

1:17:52that big project with it I traveled halfway across the country to give them

1:17:55to a museum right like I spent a lot of time with that and and that one was a

1:18:00clear finalist for me which is probably a good place to mention that you had the

1:18:05I'm actually three go to to prove the final against the titanium power book

1:18:09G4 and you had the titanium power book g4 beat the iMac g3 which I can't believe that

1:18:15But the titanium power books my favorite Mac of all time

1:18:18It's just a surprise to me considering how much you have been through it. Yeah, it was very close and

1:18:24I thought a lot about it

1:18:26The reason that the titanium for me won out is that it was kind of the my first Mac

1:18:33I had a high school job. My boss gave me a titanium to use as my own

1:18:37It's the it's the machine took to college

1:18:39it just as much as I love the I'm at g3 the titanium was like my first Mac and

1:18:45I've got it and it's it's fantastic and it

1:18:49Because it helps set me off on this course

1:18:52Right that my love for that machine is what made all this so interesting to me and that I just couldn't say no to

1:18:58The 10th the 20th anniversary Mac. Mm-hmm

1:19:02You had that beat the original Mac mini the power Mac g5 but losing out to the clamshell

1:19:09I booked g3. Yeah, that's another surprise to me

1:19:13Yeah, the team didn't go very far of the clamshell. I booked went pretty far in the in the the public one

1:19:20In fact the clamshell I booked the public and I got it to the same place

1:19:25Which is interesting. It's one of the only things which is the young I love the 20th anniversary Mac, but the clamshell

1:19:32iBook is just way more fun because it's got a handle, it came in at a bunch of different colors and

1:19:36First, you know, it's like it's just more fun to me. I love my 20th anniversary Mac. I'm very fortunate to own one

1:19:43Maybe fortune is not the right word for most people, but I was very happy to obtain one a few years ago

1:19:49but the clamshell iBook just interested out for me because I think if I had to pick between the two the clamshell is

1:19:57Is a lot more fun and it and again like favorite sort of

1:20:02My love for these things the clamshell iBook was one of the very first machines that I collected the cube and the clamshell

1:20:09Or my first two Macs that I collected and so it has a special place in my heart

1:20:13Plus you can get an orange which you can't argue with

1:20:15Like the last one on this side of the bracket left side of the bracket the iMac Pro you had lose to the 12 inch

1:20:21PowerBook G4

1:20:22That's a surprise to me because before the Mac Pro like you would I would he frequently say like the iMac Pro is like the

1:20:28Best Mac you've ever owned like yeah, I know best and favorite a different

1:20:32But like that's a support that still a surprise to me because I know that you're a big iMac Pro fan

1:20:36I am a huge iMac Pro fan and that one out of the first round. I think was one of the hardest

1:20:41I think I could have gone

1:20:43could have gone either way, but the the power book inches it out for me, I think because

1:20:49including myself like apples never really rekindled that magic like something really special about that machine and

1:20:54Like I have a couple of them and anytime I open it

1:20:57It's like this just makes me happy that the keyboard goes all the way to the edge. It's all very tight and tidy

1:21:02Something nice about it. Also the chat room wants me to say orange again. Yeah, you say it

1:21:07So I guess I've done that it's like it's one sound orange like orange

1:21:11You say it Federico orange say it in Italian. I don't you oh

1:21:16God, it's way better. That's better. That was better. Yeah, we should all say it like that. Yeah. All right. I want to talk about your

1:21:22How you let the cube run through to the quarterfinal. Mm-hmm. You had the cube beat

1:21:29Both good MacBook Airs and I am surprised about that

1:21:33I know I was shocked that so I while this was voting I didn't want to comment on how I had voted

1:21:39That was kind of one of my rules

1:21:40But I was really surprised the public followed me in this because I didn't think that the I thought the I thought the 13-inch air

1:21:48Was I thought the 13-inch air and the black MacBook were going to be in the semi-finals in

1:21:52In the public bracket I was shocked that

1:21:55The the cube made it as far as it did

1:21:58You know winning I didn't expect that I was a surprise to me

1:22:03But again like going back to it was one of the it was one of those first two machines for me

1:22:07It's just so it's such a fascinating machine because of the way it's designed

1:22:10But the fact that it was a failure and they Apple used language that they put it on ice

1:22:15They didn't cancel it. Like the whole thing is so weird and special. I

1:22:18Just you know, the air is a better machine in every way, but the cube again is is more special to me

1:22:26Mmm, and you know the public vindicated me because it won now look

1:22:30I like you know, I gave my love for the G for Q

1:22:34but I would and I don't think I did have the Cube make it out of round one.

1:22:41Because the 11-inch MacBook Air was like a very special computer for me.

1:22:46I loved that computer like many other people did.

1:22:50I was just really surprised to see that you put the Cube that far through your own bracket.

1:22:55I don't think I have much, many more comments on the right-hand side of the bracket.

1:23:02I think most of the interesting debates were on the left side anyway. I don't really think that

1:23:07the right has got a lot in it for me honestly. Yeah, and that's totally fine. That's why this

1:23:13has been such an interesting project because people approach it in such different ways,

1:23:18and honestly in ways that I didn't really expect. I kind of figured that people would

1:23:24sort of struggle with the best versus favorite, you know. I kind of assumed that that would be

1:23:32kind of a difficult thing to talk about and to get through. And I think it was, you know, I think a

1:23:37lot of the arguments I saw on Twitter about it, which is fantastic. I love how into this people

1:23:43were. But I think that's really where a lot of the sort of differences come from. And the age you are

1:23:51and when you came to the Mac and what you think about the Mac all would influence your decisions

1:23:57on this, which I think is why the results are so fascinating. You're gonna do it again? I think so.

1:24:01I don't think I'm gonna do favorite max again, but I have some other some other ideas

1:24:06I would love to see a favorite iPhone. Mm-hmm

1:24:09I think that's what I will I'm not committing to this but I think that's what I will probably do next year

1:24:13I phone would be nice favorite iPad would be also fine favorite Apple TV would just be sad

1:24:19Favorite beats headphones would be fun, but you're too old

1:24:25Yeah, yeah favorite iPhone it should be the next one

1:24:30Yeah, I think that's what I want to do and I would separate phone and iPad because you know, they're very different categories

1:24:36So yeah, that's how I would have voted

1:24:38I'll have a blog post up when the show goes up so you can you can see it's in the show notes as well

1:24:43the image

1:24:44But yeah, this was a lot of fun. And again, I'm totally blown away that I had 15,000 votes

1:24:49Mmm, and people were really fired up about it and I just I really enjoyed it

1:24:55And two thousand of those votes were Federico for the cube

1:24:58I did make it where you couldn't vote again immediately. You said you'd at least have to go to like a private tab or something

1:25:03To do it. So I tried to limit cheating where I could

1:25:06Shortcuts hacked my Google form with shortcuts with base64. Mm-hmm. That's what I did. Mm-hmm

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