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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected episode 277.
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0:00:17My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined
0:00:19by Mr. Myke Hurley.
0:00:21- Hello there.
0:00:22- You sound more Californian than normal.
0:00:25- Hollywood Myke Hurley calling in.
0:00:26- Oh.
0:00:28you wearing something fancy?
0:00:30- No, but I am sitting in like, you can't see it,
0:00:32but like, I kind of, you know, like,
0:00:35I'm sitting in a way in this chair where
0:00:37the back of the chair is to the right of me
0:00:39and I'm kind of like leaning on it,
0:00:40so I have adopted a new Hollywood pose,
0:00:43which is not ergonomically friendly,
0:00:45but does make me look cool.
0:00:47- Your back is gonna hurt after that.
0:00:48- My back's gonna hurt, but I'm gonna be cooler
0:00:51at the end of it, so. - But you're gonna look
0:00:51so good!
0:00:52- Exactly, so really, you know, who wins?
0:00:55And we're also joined by Federico Vittucci.
0:00:58- Hello, hi.
0:00:59Myke, are they making a biopic about you yet at this point?
0:01:03- At this point, I cannot confirm or deny
0:01:06the conversations that I'm in.
0:01:08Look, we're in a contract negotiation stage right now,
0:01:10so I can't talk about it.
0:01:12- I see, okay.
0:01:13- But we're talking to Michael Fassbender though.
0:01:16- Okay. - Ooh, bad choice.
0:01:18- Because we're going for an invisible man type situation.
0:01:22- Ah, I see, the everyday British man.
0:01:24the unforgettable, the forgettable, I should say, everyday face of Michael Fassbender is
0:01:30going to find it.
0:01:31The forgettable face of Britain.
0:01:32Yes.
0:01:33Even though he is Irish, but you know, you do.
0:01:36You do you.
0:01:37Well, we're going to start with some follow up.
0:01:40Very important follow up.
0:01:42Last week we asked listeners to pitch in ideas on how we should award the RICCYS.
0:01:50So we have the annual chairman where you won the annual predictions and we have the keynote
0:01:55chairman so that passes from event to event.
0:01:58Currently Federico is the annual chairman, I am the keynote chairman and we didn't want
0:02:05to mail trophies around so we're coming up with ways to do this.
0:02:08So we had several things sent in.
0:02:13Chuck suggested that we do make trophies, but we make three of each one, so six trophies
0:02:20in total, and you can only display the one that you currently have been awarded, and
0:02:26the other one has to be put in a drawer.
0:02:29This is too complicated.
0:02:30It's more complicated than our rules.
0:02:32No, I really like it.
0:02:33I think it's very good, because I could just tweet selfies all the time with my two trophies
0:02:39that Olin and Neville will have by the end of the year.
0:02:41Well, you will have them, but will you be...
0:02:43No, like winning them, because by the end of the year, I'm going to be the champion
0:02:46of both.
0:02:47That's what I've decided.
0:02:48We'll talk about it later on, but it's looking very good for me right now.
0:02:52The year of trophies.
0:02:53Yes, exactly.
0:02:55#yearoftrophies.
0:02:56So I like this idea, but let's go through the rest of them, and we'll see what else
0:03:00is here.
0:03:01So Max and many other people suggested this.
0:03:05I'm going to give Max credit, because they were first.
0:03:09They said that we could make Twitter accounts, one for the annual chairman and one for the
0:03:13keynote chairman.
0:03:15And then basically the winner could do with what they wanted with those Twitter accounts.
0:03:20I equally really like this one.
0:03:23This is also very good.
0:03:26It is very good because we had suggested like putting a trophy or something in your Twitter
0:03:29bio, but having keys to an account that then changes over time, also fun.
0:03:35And then Michael, not you Michael, another Michael suggested that the annual retirements
0:03:42receive a partial Bitcoin because it's digital and can't be reproduced and it's ridiculous,
0:03:48but we're not going to do that.
0:03:50Sorry Michael.
0:03:51Yeah I looked into how much a Bitcoin, actually if we wanted to have one Bitcoin, is $8,700
0:03:55now.
0:03:56So like, I like the idea of there being like a digital thing that can actually be passed
0:04:02around and Bitcoin is a good representation of that.
0:04:05But I don't want it. I either want a full Bitcoin or no Bitcoin. I don't want like an
0:04:09eighth of a Bitcoin. So what I'm hearing here is that the blockchain is the solution to
0:04:15our annual. It's not. Ricky's are pivoting to blockchain everyone. We're going to make
0:04:21ten million dollars now. I hear it's what the cool kids are doing. You know, the blockchain.
0:04:27Whatever it is. We could do Ricky coin. We could make our own coin. Oh my gosh. Or just
0:04:31It's like Rick-coin. There you go. Rick-coin. Rick-coin. It can only be mined on iPads.
0:04:37So yeah. Metal's pretty good I bet for mining, you know? Yeah. So out of these, I think I
0:04:45vote for the rotating Twitter accounts. Yeah, I do too. Has anybody claimed Twitter accounts?
0:04:52I don't know. Why don't in the next follow up item, I'll talk about Amazon Prime Video
0:04:55and you go register these real quick. Oh, I hate that you've given me that job because
0:04:59I was like, that's the worst job, but okay, I'll try.
0:05:01- And just put the password somewhere
0:05:03and then we'll get 'em assigned out.
0:05:04So, okay, so that's what we're gonna do.
0:05:06- Yeah, goodbye everybody.
0:05:07- Bye Myke.
0:05:08So I spoke last week about Amazon Prime Video
0:05:11and this weird issue I was having
0:05:12where I would be playing something on my iPad
0:05:15and open Safari on my iPhone and the video would stop.
0:05:18So I talked about this and I got tons of feedback
0:05:21from people saying this happens to me too,
0:05:24but they hadn't worked out what was going on.
0:05:27A couple people said, oh, my kids have complained of this.
0:05:29You know, if they're watching something
0:05:31and I'm on my iPhone, you know, looking at something.
0:05:33And so it does seem to be an issue.
0:05:36It does seem to be handoff.
0:05:39Marco Arment wrote in with some very complicated explanation
0:05:43of how handoff is broken.
0:05:45I don't really pretend to understand it,
0:05:46but it seems like handoff is pretty janky,
0:05:51which is a real bummer.
0:05:52So I think the answer is just to turn off Handoff.
0:05:57And Federico, I wanted to ask you about this
0:05:59because I don't ever really use Handoff.
0:06:01Is that something that you're, you know,
0:06:03the multi-pad lifestyle, is Handoff useful to you day to day?
0:06:08- So I use it all the time for Safari
0:06:12just to continue reading a webpage on a different device.
0:06:17And I use it on the iPhone, on the iPad, and the Mac Mini.
0:06:19It's very useful.
0:06:20Like the Safari icon just shows up in the dock on my Mac, for example, if I have a webpage
0:06:26open on my iPhone. So that's really useful. I mean, you could use AirDrop to send the
0:06:30same webpage to another device, but Handoff is fine. I do not... I don't think I've ever
0:06:37used it for anything else. I think one time, maybe, I did the thing that is like perfect
0:06:43for like the ideal Apple commercial. I continued writing an email on a different device and
0:06:49It did work as advertised, it did work, but I've only done it once.
0:06:54I don't even remember the circumstance, honestly.
0:06:57But that's about it.
0:06:59Basically just Safari, really.
0:07:01And there's no handoff for music or media, which is something that I know that a lot
0:07:04of people complain about every year.
0:07:06There's no handoff support for like listening to a song on the Mac and then continuing on
0:07:11the iPhone, that kind of stuff.
0:07:13But yeah, I mean, I use it.
0:07:15I know that third-party apps can adopt handoff support,
0:07:19and I've seen some examples of that.
0:07:20I think in the past, maybe on Mac stories,
0:07:23somebody wrote about handoff with Ulysses,
0:07:26like you can continue writing the same article
0:07:28and pick it up at the same spot on a different device.
0:07:32So it's cool that there's an API for developers.
0:07:34It's an open, relatively open system,
0:07:36but I wouldn't say that I use it all the time
0:07:41for all kinds of apps, just Safari.
0:07:44- Yeah, the Safari thing I think is the most common usage
0:07:47that I do, but I tend to use the iCloud tabs more often.
0:07:51It's very rare that I'm like browsing something
0:07:53on my iPhone and I wanna move it over to another device
0:07:56sort of in one session, but I mean, this seems to be a bug
0:08:00either with Handoff or with Amazon Prime Video app.
0:08:03My guess is that's on Amazon, but it does fix it,
0:08:07so if there's something that's driving you crazy,
0:08:09you can turn Handoff on the offending device
0:08:11and it'll go away.
0:08:13I already had handoff on my watch
0:08:15because that was never something I needed to do.
0:08:18I never needed to move something
0:08:19like from the watch to the Mac,
0:08:21so I turned that off years ago.
0:08:22But Myke, are you back yet?
0:08:24- Signing off to your accounts
0:08:27is so much more complicated than it used to be.
0:08:29Like that's where I am in my life right now.
0:08:32I'm 50% done, so you're gonna have to keep working on this.
0:08:34- All right, we'll come back
0:08:36to the wireless pop socket charger thing.
0:08:38Federico, we were talking about the Twitter app
0:08:43on the iPad having trends always visible,
0:08:45and we had suggested some solutions for things
0:08:48to pair it with in split screen and slide over
0:08:52and all that stuff.
0:08:53So do you have any good solutions
0:08:54for the fine people out there?
0:08:56- Well, to fix the design problems of Twitter for iPad,
0:09:01I have introduced even more Twitter in my life,
0:09:07or should I say, Twitter without vowels.
0:09:11That's it. That's it. Yeah. I'm using the beta app on my iPad. You know the one with
0:09:24a blank, light blue icon? Twitter is running a prototype sort of beta program to test mainly
0:09:31the new conversation view as well as some other iconography throughout the app. But
0:09:37have this beta, there's a test flight that I signed up months... really, it was...
0:09:41It's now full.
0:09:42It's now full. When you think about it, it was really the last decade, because I signed
0:09:45up at some point last year. So the last decade applies. But really, I keep the Tutor app
0:09:52on the right side of the screen in split view with the compact layout, and I sent you guys
0:09:58a screenshot yesterday, I think. It works really well, because to read my mentions,
0:10:06I don't just use the notifications tab.
0:10:09I wrote an article on Mac Stories, I think, last year.
0:10:12I say I use a saved search on Twitter.
0:10:15I put together this custom syntax using the Twitter search operators, and I have this
0:10:20sort of timeline.
0:10:21It's a saved search that shows me both replies, so people who reply to me, as well as tweets
0:10:30where I'm mentioned in, but also quoted tweets.
0:10:34so people that retweet my tweets with a comment.
0:10:37It's all together in a single saved search.
0:10:40This is how mentions work in Tweetbot, for example,
0:10:44but by default they do not in Twitter for iPad.
0:10:47So this is fun, this is fine also, I guess.
0:10:52On the main split view on the left,
0:10:56I keep my timeline and a switch between the home view
0:10:59or the latest chronological timeline view.
0:11:02And on the right side with the Twitter beta app,
0:11:05I see my mentions using a saved search.
0:11:09And it's fine.
0:11:10Again, shouldn't be necessary, really.
0:11:13I should just be able to have a column for mentions,
0:11:15but we've been over this.
0:11:17And I think overall, this sort of works.
0:11:19I've disabled the notifications for the second Twitter
0:11:23app, I've disabled location access,
0:11:26and all those other kinds of permissions.
0:11:28So my main client is still the main public version of Twitter, and on the right side
0:11:34I keep the test flight using a saved search.
0:11:37I would like to have this option available to me, but I do not, because I'm not in this,
0:11:42I don't have access to this fancy beta app that Federico does.
0:11:46It does look like a good solution though, because it's the column you would want, right?
0:11:50That's kind of what we wish they would have done, is created that column.
0:11:53But there are some other solutions.
0:11:54So Charlie, listen to Charlie made an app that's just a blank screen that color matches
0:12:00to Twitter's light and dark mode options.
0:12:03There's a test flight for it.
0:12:04I have been using this and it's a very good solution.
0:12:07So like I just have it matched and it just feels like there's just one section of the
0:12:12Twitter app is just blank.
0:12:14So like you just put it in split view and it hides the trends and then I don't have
0:12:19to see them anymore.
0:12:20This works very well.
0:12:22I don't know if this app would ever get approved.
0:12:24I think it needs more functionality to actually be an app that gets approved. But there is
0:12:28a public TestFlight that you can join.
0:12:32It was approved for TestFlight. The first time you submit a new TestFlight beta app,
0:12:37there's an approval process. So at least it got through that.
0:12:41It got through that. So you can install it from TestFlight. It's called backfill, I believe,
0:12:46and it literally just fills the screen with color and nothing else. I wonder if there's
0:12:51like an opportunity to come up with some ideas for like what kind of content could be in there.
0:12:56I don't know, maybe the weather or I don't know your calendar events or whatever, I don't know.
0:13:01Maybe it could be customizable like a dashboard that you keep on one side of the screen and you
0:13:05can choose to keep it blank or fill it with data. I don't know. I think you've made a very simple
0:13:11app very complicated. Well it needs more if he wants to make it a thing, right? But so this is
0:13:17is what it could have. I just said like a way to like just drag tweets to save for later,
0:13:21like just put it there. I saw somebody tweet and say like just make it a pencil support
0:13:24thing, just take notes. I don't know if you have very good tweets, right? I don't know.
0:13:29There's hopefully something in there because this is actually very useful for me because
0:13:33the idea is here, I never open this app in any other way so it always stays paired with
0:13:37Twitter and there were some other recommendations of apps that already exist that you could
0:13:41do this. So Sarah recommended using a third party browser instead of Safari. So you could
0:13:46Chrome or everybody's favorite iCab.
0:13:49- iCab.
0:13:50- Everyone loves iCab, so powerful.
0:13:52Firefox is an example.
0:13:54And then Jeff's doing another good suggestion
0:13:56of making a kind of like, you know,
0:13:58like the sweet solution home screen app from a webpage
0:14:01and using that.
0:14:02And I tried doing it with the Twitter webpage,
0:14:05but it's terrible.
0:14:06It's not a good thing.
0:14:07'Cause you have like multiple,
0:14:09like navigation UIs next to each other.
0:14:11That's not a good idea, but you could, I don't know,
0:14:13put anything you want there,
0:14:14maybe a picture of a puppy or something.
0:14:16- Yeah, or you could make a backfill app type page
0:14:20and make the filler.
0:14:22I'll tell you what, I'm gonna do that.
0:14:23I'll have that in the show notes.
0:14:25I'm gonna make a page on 512 that's just a blank.
0:14:27- But what color are you gonna do?
0:14:30- Just black.
0:14:32- Okay, so you're, okay, good.
0:14:33I mean, because like, what I like about what Charlie did
0:14:36is he has like three options,
0:14:37so you can choose depending on the color
0:14:39that you have Twitter set to.
0:14:40But if you wanna make a black one,
0:14:41then that will also work for me
0:14:42because I have Twitter in lights out mode, all black,
0:14:46'cause that's how I am.
0:14:47- Yeah.
0:14:48- But this is terrible that we even have to do all of this.
0:14:52- It is true.
0:14:53- Just get your stuff together, please.
0:14:55You wanted to talk about the wireless pop socket charger?
0:14:58- I do.
0:14:59- It's not arrived yet.
0:15:01I mean, also, even if it has,
0:15:02I'm not in the United Kingdom, so like I couldn't help you,
0:15:04but it's on the way.
0:15:06I'm hoping to have it.
0:15:07But I did hear from listener Brent,
0:15:09who sent me some pictures,
0:15:11and it totally works for them.
0:15:13Like the popsocket goes in the charger, it charges this.
0:15:15I will put the images in the show notes
0:15:17'cause there's a hilarious one
0:15:18where they've put their AirPods Pro in
0:15:21and it's like just falling into the hole,
0:15:23which is just hilarious for me.
0:15:25I think that this is very fun and stupid and brilliant.
0:15:29And I went on Popsockets website,
0:15:30they are completely sold out of this.
0:15:32Like, and so that's where they are, so.
0:15:36Oh, I did it by the way.
0:15:37- Wait, what?
0:15:39- The Twitter accounts.
0:15:40good they're done okay so we have at keynote chairman and at annual chairman
0:15:47that's good will you we have those against link those in the show notes and
0:15:51then we can start putting content there right well not me but yeah not you yeah
0:15:57not me so you you took you guys better do a good job are they verified are they
0:16:04verified yet we should not yeah not yet but I can work they also don't have any
0:16:08images but I guess that's up to you two to decide what goes on those right yeah
0:16:12yeah that's part of the thing is you get to totally brand it however you want
0:16:15mm-hmm I am very excited to see how at keynote chairman and how at annual
0:16:22chairman come together very excited that both of those were available also the
0:16:27Steven the passwords are in one password so like okay let's do what you need to
0:16:32do with those all right that's very exciting a little bit of it's not really
0:16:36I don't know what this is. It's not a tiny topic. But anyways, so a while back, there
0:16:41had been a link to Google Drive going around where a guy named Sam gold had put together
0:16:50this like really well organized Apple archive collection of ads and press imagery. And anyways,
0:16:58it I think got taken down or Google Drive got mad because a bunch of people downloaded
0:17:01stuff. Anyways, it's back at apple archive.org. It's really well organized, you can look
0:17:06by year, you can search, it's all tagged. Sam did what must be an insane amount of work
0:17:13to get this done. I'm very impressed. And if you are into looking at old Apple videos,
0:17:19I mean, there's some really horrific things in here from the 70s and 80s.
0:17:22Oh my god, that's so if you go to the cycle broken down by decades and then year, the
0:17:27first entry is 1977, the Apple II ad, which looks like it wasn't made by Apple, but some
0:17:32computer company but probably blessed by them. It is an absolute horror show. Like, it is
0:17:38a horrific audio and visual experience which I thoroughly recommend everybody go and watch
0:17:43because it is, it's terrible. It's so scary in a way that's not meant to be scary. So
0:17:50you should go watch that one.
0:17:52I have also created a page, just a completely black page. If you go to 512pixels.net/filler, it is just black.
0:18:04Wow, that's because you know CSS and we don't.
0:18:08It's actually not even CSS, it's just like one line of HTML.
0:18:14You need to come up with some good branding for that, you know?
0:18:17Well, I feel like simple is better, so anyways.
0:18:20What if you called it filler but with no vowels?
0:18:22I want it to be easy to find.
0:18:24What if you called it filler with a "ph" instead of a "f"?
0:18:27Oh, that's good.
0:18:28No, I want it to be easy to find.
0:18:30No, it can be easy to find, but we can just refer to it as, you know.
0:18:35But anyway.
0:18:36I'm putting it on my iPad home screen as filler with a "ph".
0:18:39That's good.
0:18:40Yeah, and I'm going to put that with Twitter.
0:18:43How does it work for you?
0:18:48I'm trying to work out how to do this.
0:18:50Oh no, it opens in Safari.
0:18:52- Of course it does.
0:18:53- I don't want Safari.
0:18:54- Well you need to open Safari
0:18:55and then save it to the home screen.
0:18:57- Yeah, I did that, but it doesn't show up as a,
0:19:00like it just basically, when you add it to your home page--
0:19:04- Oh, 'cause you have to do work on that.
0:19:06You have to make it.
0:19:08You have to actually do something.
0:19:09- Have to like make it a web app or something?
0:19:12- Yeah, yeah, I think so.
0:19:13- All right, that'll be a work in progress, I guess.
0:19:16Use the test file instead.
0:19:18- There you go, there you go.
0:19:19- My version is bad.
0:19:20- Uh-huh, it's not a surprise that the thing
0:19:23that you did whilst we were recording
0:19:25maybe isn't fully featured.
0:19:26- Make web app for iPad.
0:19:29- Are you putting this in your to-do list?
0:19:31- No, I was Googling how to do it.
0:19:33- Oh, okay.
0:19:34Again, we can come back to that though,
0:19:36like it's perfectly fine.
0:19:37You have a job to do right now.
0:19:38Let's take a break.
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0:21:31now for sale. Remember, they showed this, they showed this off very quickly at WWDC. And we
0:21:36didn't know much about it. It's available now. So this is a Mac Pro that it doesn't have feet
0:21:41or anything. It's built into a chassis, you can get rails for it and put it in a
0:21:47server rack. So if you're somebody like, well if you're like our friends at
0:21:51Mack Stadium for instance, I know they're very excited. But if you work in an
0:21:55environment where you need a Mack Pro and you have rack space and you don't
0:21:58want it near you, this is available now. So I, in the past, they've been like
0:22:03really weird third-party things, but like PowerMacks and all sorts of
0:22:06things in it. In fact at my Apple Store there we had a PowerMack G4 like stuff
0:22:11sideways in our rack to handle some stuff. It was very, very bad.
0:22:15Did you say you have to... where do you get the rails from? Do Apple sell them?
0:22:21When you buy them, it comes with the rails from Apple.
0:22:23Oh, so they send you kind of like a kit that you can install that on. That's cool.
0:22:28Yeah.
0:22:29I mean, that's, I guess, part of what you're paying for for the extra $500, right?
0:22:33Right, yeah.
0:22:34That's part of that stuff.
0:22:35This starts at $64.99. If you look at the pictures on Apple's website, I mean, it looks
0:22:40just like the inside of my Mac Pro just laying on the side. The back of the machine has different
0:22:46holes. So on the regular one, it has the weird carved out eyeball sockets on the front and
0:22:52back. But on the back of the rack mounted one, it looks like the old cheese grater like
0:22:57that's the circle hole punch. I don't know why I don't know why they are different. I
0:23:01bet that's better airflow. And it's because they know they're going to be in cabinets
0:23:05that you're going to get hotter, right? There's like a potential for the maybe I mean, usually
0:23:09- Usually data centers have like a hot and cold side, but...
0:23:12- That's true.
0:23:13- I don't know.
0:23:15I mean, you would think if that was a better design,
0:23:18like why'd you go through the expense
0:23:19of making the eye sockets?
0:23:21- There's also a possibility that they just wanted
0:23:24to make it a little bit cheaper,
0:23:27and so they decided to not do anything to the back
0:23:29because you're not gonna see it.
0:23:31- Or it may have made it lighter,
0:23:32because like the walls that the holes are drilled in
0:23:37is like pretty thick aluminum, and so I don't know.
0:23:39I've asked around and if someone knows the official answer,
0:23:42I would love to hear it on or off the record.
0:23:44- I think it's super cool that they maintained
0:23:46the design on the front though.
0:23:48It still looks like the Mac Pro.
0:23:50I think it's actually really cool
0:23:52that they went to this length,
0:23:54where they created a whole different configuration,
0:23:56it is a different chassis, right?
0:23:58And they kept the design still looking kind of like
0:24:03Mac Pro- - Yeah, it looks like
0:24:04a Mac Pro, right?
0:24:05I really want to see a row of these at Mac Stadium all installed like oh, yeah
0:24:10So I was hoping that when this happened that the
0:24:21Other components the Mac Pro would go on sale. So right now you can't buy any other GPU like off the shelf
0:24:28you can't buy an afterburner card and
0:24:30Apple had previously promised the Radeon Pro
0:24:355700 X as like a GPU in between the base GPU that I have which is not great and
0:24:42the Vega 2 which is like $2,400 to upgrade or $2,800 to buy it on its own
0:24:48this W5700X was supposed to be in the middle somewhere that's not for sale but
0:24:53now Apple is promising an option for two of them in an MPX module so
0:24:59that's still yet to show up my guess is they're just like every afterburner they
0:25:04and make it just going into a Mac Pro that's being sold,
0:25:06and eventually they'll catch up
0:25:07and these will be on sale for upgrade.
0:25:09But not yet, so if you have a Mac Pro
0:25:11or were thinking about upgrading something,
0:25:14you're still kind of waiting.
0:25:15But it's exciting, and I think the rack-mounted,
0:25:18I mean, I sent this around to some IT system people I know,
0:25:21and they're all excited about this
0:25:23because the Mac Pro is so powerful.
0:25:25If you're gonna use it for research
0:25:27or a build server or something like that,
0:25:31you don't necessarily need it under a desk.
0:25:33can just put it in a rack and remote into it and that sort of thing. So it seems like
0:25:37a really exciting thing and I'm glad they're doing it.
0:25:40I want to talk about 5G. Oh no. Steven's favorite topic.
0:25:44Yeah we have a couple of reports about 5G. So Digitimes is reporting that Apple is developing
0:25:49an iPad Pro that features millimeter wave 5G. This is the 5G that is faster than current
0:25:56LTE, not incredibly fast, not like the super incredible speeds, but it's like more reliable,
0:26:02stronger, faster than LTE currently is. And this is what is being, this is what is available
0:26:07now. Remember we were talking about what T-Mobile has, this is the millimetre wave. So that's
0:26:14going to apparently be in the future. iPad, so a quote is "millimetre wave is a set of
0:26:195G frequencies that promises ultrafast speeds at short distances, which is best for urban
0:26:23areas because the super fast", I think it's called like sub-6 gigahertz, it might be getting
0:26:29the terms a little bit incorrect but it's hard to understand this stuff. It reminds
0:26:33me of the super speed USB thing. But that is like the super fast 5G is where like if
0:26:40you have the antenna up and there's a building in the way it can disrupt it. But there are
0:26:45like these two different levels of 5G. But anyway, so apparently Digitimes is saying
0:26:48that Apple is developing an iPad Pro that features millimeter wave 5G for release this
0:26:52year it is worth noting that the LTE first appeared on the iPad before the
0:26:59iPhone so there is precedent for example for maybe sometime in the spring Apple
0:27:04to release an iPad Pro with 5G before they put it in the iPhone which would be
0:27:10interesting to me because not only would that put egg on Steven's face about 5G
0:27:13in general I will then win my first pick of the iPad getting a feature
0:27:20feature before the iPhone.
0:27:21So wouldn't that be nice?
0:27:23But then in what is shaping up I think currently to be the year of mic, there is a report from
0:27:28Ming-Chi Kuo saying that the 2020 iPhone line will also feature millimeter wave 5G and the
0:27:34faster sub-6 GHz frequencies so that the new iPhones, there will either be a combination
0:27:41of both or like they might split it amongst like the regular and the pro.
0:27:45It's a little bit confusing about where everything's exactly going to go, but Ming-Chi Kuo is saying
0:27:48the 2020 iPhone live will have 5G radios. Looking pretty good for me this year so far.
0:27:54Yeah.
0:27:54Feeling good?
0:27:55I sent you all this the other day, but I pointed out to my dad the other day the 5G
0:28:01towers going up around town. Now he's just sending me pictures of them all the time.
0:28:04Your dad, me and your dad are in cahoots. We're punking you on this one.
0:28:09I mean, it's not unheard of that this would come to the iPad first. It happened with LTE.
0:28:13I could see it happening here. So maybe you'll end up being right. Maybe you'll get the
0:28:18the keys of the Twitter account after all. I'm feeling pretty good about the
0:28:21fight that my my my two first picks the iPad first pick and especially the 5g
0:28:26pick I'm feeling good about it. Apparently as well there's a new MacBook
0:28:29Pro on the way our friends at the Eurasian Economic Commission have done
0:28:33it again this is where like Apple has to register devices for some some governing
0:28:39bodies in different areas in the world and this one keeps popping up like we
0:28:42keep seeing like products way before release popping up on the Eurasian
0:28:47economic commission like this like database that they have but it's pretty
0:28:50everything's pretty obscure but you can get the idea that something's happening
0:28:54so a listing has appeared for a computer that doesn't currently exist it's called
0:28:58model 822 a 2289 listed as a quote portable personal computer that runs
0:29:05Mac OS 1015 so looks like there's gonna be a new laptop I think money would be
0:29:10this being on the smaller MacBook Pro right like I can't think of anything
0:29:15else that would be a new SKU that like that new model that have to register
0:29:20because they don't need to do this every time they like update chips or whatever
0:29:23this is like when there are significant changes to a product they have to go
0:29:27through this like regulatory approval frame and so it seems like possibly that
0:29:32could be an update to the smaller MacBook Pro yeah it feels like it yeah
0:29:37it's gotta be coming right the longer that that new keyboard is on the 16 is
0:29:42not on the others the worse it looks and it makes it hard to suggest to people
0:29:49that they go buy something like the MacBook Air when we know that there's a
0:29:53fix just sitting right next to it like on the next computer over yeah I'm using
0:29:59my MacBook Pro this week a little bit right to do my recording on this stuff
0:30:02and my macro Pro is one of the original ones with the butterfly keyboard and I
0:30:08I hate this keyboard.
0:30:10It's so gross.
0:30:12Like, just the feeling of typing on it.
0:30:14I mean, like, they made a lot of improvements to it
0:30:16from the original one. This is like,
0:30:18I guess it's probably the first or second generation
0:30:20because the first time it was on the regular MacBook
0:30:22this is the first MacBook Pro that came with it.
0:30:24I really don't like it.
0:30:26I would love to be able to update
0:30:28this computer at some point.
0:30:30I mean, I said I would prefer a MacBook Air, but
0:30:32I might be tempted by a smaller MacBook Pro.
0:30:34But we'll have to wait and see.
0:30:36the Eurasian Commission's got my back on this one we'll find out. Is there
0:30:39anything that would like kick you one way or the other? I mean the reason that
0:30:43I'm thinking about MacBook Air is because I just don't need a MacBook Pro, right?
0:30:47But it depends on like the size and weight. If they don't change the size and
0:30:53weight too much then I would be tempted but if they do which is what I think
0:30:57they'll do is like create a size and weight difference that differentiates it
0:31:01from the Air to the Pro I might wait a little bit longer to see if they do
0:31:04anything to the air. Because what I'm looking for with this computer is maximum portability.
0:31:09That's what I'm looking for. As well as being able to handle what I do on it, which is not
0:31:13a lot, but I want a laptop that I can rely on that is also portable because I use this
0:31:18when I'm on the road, right? Like when I'm recording a show like this one from not my
0:31:23home studio and I need a computer to be able to do that. It's really important. But a MacBook
0:31:28Pro is probably, no, is definitely overkill. Like I only need a MacBook Air, but at the
0:31:35moment they're so close in spec, like even on weight and thickness, that I would just
0:31:40go with a MacBook Pro because it's better, right? Like it's just a nicer computer. So
0:31:45we'll see. I mean, my hope would honestly be that, they're not going to do this, but
0:31:49my hope would be that they put the new keyboard in the MacBook Air at the same time as they
0:31:52they've read the Mac Pro and then I'll just go with the Air. But I really don't want to
0:31:56buy, I do not want to buy a computer today that has the butterfly keyboard in it. I don't
0:32:04want to do that. Because not only does it feel like it is going to change eventually,
0:32:10I also just don't want to own one of those because it is a lesser design and this is
0:32:16more of something that like I want to do because it's, I feel like I just want to move to a
0:32:20a more modern machine but I'm not in any particular rush to do it but I'm
0:32:24particularly waiting for them to make a change. Plus Adina really does need a
0:32:28new laptop. The battery on her MacBook Pro is not what it used to be but again
0:32:35waiting to see what they do in the airline. Good news I have updated with
0:32:39the help of the chat room the filler page so now it does not show the Safari
0:32:43Chrome it's just black. That's good. My expectation and not hope in a mean way
0:32:49but hope in a, because it would be funny way, is you've now done something like
0:32:53horrific to your main website in doing this, you know? That feels like a very
0:32:56Stephen thing to have done, that like you've now accidentally broken
0:33:00everything, like because... No, it's outside of the WordPress install, it'll be fine.
0:33:04Okay, okay, well good for everybody I guess. I said that is the website still
0:33:11load? Good it does still load. Yeah, you say that but like you're not 100% confident that you did it correctly.
0:33:15I mean, I barely understand how the internet works.
0:33:18So it doesn't.
0:33:19Well, I'm glad that we could help people out.
0:33:22That's the important thing.
0:33:23You know, we are selfless leaders here.
0:33:26Anything else?
0:33:28We're ready for another break.
0:33:29Let's take a break.
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0:35:35relay FM. Alright Federico, you had a great idea for a topic. So what is this iPad Pro
0:35:41dream here in this Google document? So the idea would be that there's new iPad Pro hardware
0:35:48in theory coming out in 2020. And I mean, we've been talking about like the things we
0:35:52would like to see in the iPad Pro. There's 5g, there's, you know, of course, CPU, GPU,
0:35:59maybe a better display, who knows, but I don't want to talk about the hardware itself. I
0:36:04I kind of wanted to have a discussion about the accessories that we would like to see
0:36:08with new iPad Pro hardware, because since the introduction of the original iPad Pro
0:36:13in 2015, that's five years ago, the accessories have basically stayed the same.
0:36:18There's a smart keyboard, there's a smart cover now called the Smart Folio, and there's
0:36:23the Apple Pencil, now at its second generation.
0:36:26But really, there haven't been any major changes in terms of the accessories that Apple offers.
0:36:34Third-party developers have tried to come up with their own smart connector accessories
0:36:39and that really didn't pan out. I think Logitech was the only one that did a keyboard and a
0:36:43stand at some point. Remember that weird charging stand?
0:36:47Oh, the Logitech stand, yes.
0:36:49Jason reviewed it and it was bad.
0:36:51Yeah, it was bad and it charged really slowly because the smart connector is used for data
0:36:55not for power. So I wanted to have a discussion about this idea that Apple could maybe expand
0:37:02the offering around accessories for the iPad Pro.
0:37:07And I feel like there's an obvious candidate here,
0:37:10something that we keep talking about,
0:37:12the idea of a pro take on the smart keyboard,
0:37:16and even more pro,
0:37:18an even more professional pro keyboard for the iPad Pro.
0:37:22We've all used at some point, I believe,
0:37:26the Brydge keyboard,
0:37:27which is the accessory that uses Bluetooth to--
0:37:30- I've ordered one of the new ones as well.
0:37:33- There's a new one coming.
0:37:35We all know the bridge keyboard
0:37:36and it sort of replicates the look of a MacBook.
0:37:39You put your iPad into the little clips
0:37:42and you have sort of like a laptop
0:37:44and there's a new one coming that has a track pad.
0:37:46But like this idea of like,
0:37:47how should the maybe could Apple take the smart keyboard,
0:37:51which is designed to be portable and lightweight
0:37:55and sort of not a confusing experience.
0:37:58you don't need to know anything about Bluetooth, you just attach it, it connects, and you're ready to type.
0:38:03What are the things we would like to see? If the keyboard is the first accessory we would like Apple to do something more about,
0:38:11what are the features we would like to see? Myke?
0:38:14So if we were talking about the keyboard, right, I want a few things. I want it to never have to be charged,
0:38:20just like it attaches with the smart connector somehow, it's powered by the iPad, I never need to charge it, that would be great.
0:38:26Like I like that the bridge keyboard, I was very happy when they moved to USB-C right
0:38:31on their keyboard because then it's the same charger as my iPad.
0:38:34But every now and then I still have to charge it.
0:38:36I would just prefer to never have to charge it.
0:38:38I would want the backlighting to be great, the keys to all feel good.
0:38:41Like for it to actually feel like a magic keyboard, right?
0:38:43That's what I would want.
0:38:44I would want a trackpad from Apple, which means also improving the cursor support on
0:38:50iPad OS.
0:38:51Right.
0:38:52also want them to rethink the function row and add more keys that are specific to the
0:38:58iPad. Right? Like I don't know exactly what they would be, maybe like a slide over key
0:39:03or like a key to activate split view or something like that. Like give me like rethink kind
0:39:09of what that can do. I don't need on my function row like brightness controls and volume controls.
0:39:16I don't need those on a keyboard because brightness is like super easy to get to from control
0:39:22and I don't adjust it that much anyway. I never need volume because there's a physical
0:39:27volume rocker on the iPad anyway. I mean I would even say that you could get rid of the
0:39:32media keys if you had a better idea for what could go there, right? Like the play/pause
0:39:36because again that stuff is so easy to do on iOS anyway. I don't know if I want them
0:39:40on my keyboard but like rethinking what that could be or forget it give me a touch bar
0:39:46I don't know, but give me something there that is more focused on iPadOS rather than
0:39:53it being a holdover of Mac keyboard layouts, you know?
0:39:57No, I do like the idea a lot, especially because, as you mentioned, on the iPad you have control
0:40:03center and so for all those controls, literally just a single swipe away and you also have
0:40:08the physical buttons. These keyboards have been modeled after the Mac and really the
0:40:14magic keyboard and the media controls and it makes sense on a Mac because it takes a
0:40:19bit longer to change those, like, to tweak the volume and to reach out and tweak the
0:40:25display brightness and that kind of stuff. They don't necessarily make sense on an iPad.
0:40:29I mean, I could even go and say why not... and I know that maybe Apple is sort of a customization
0:40:35averse in a way, but why not make it a programmable keyboard in the sense that maybe you should
0:40:40be able to launch your favorite apps just by clicking a single key. Or you could launch
0:40:46one of your favorite spaces if Apple were to continue with the space metaphor in iPadOS.
0:40:52Or maybe, you know, run shortcuts would be another potential feature. But like this idea
0:40:57of give me something that is not necessarily just like the MacBook because we like the
0:41:02keyboard as an idea, as a typing experience, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the same
0:41:09environment of macOS and the Magic Keyboard. I mean, I agree with all of that. I don't
0:41:15know... here's my problem here. I really like the Smart Keyboard. I've grown to love the
0:41:21Smart Keyboard and just how lightweight it is and portable it is, and I know that adding
0:41:26all these features would maybe go against that and make the Smart Keyboard more chunky
0:41:32and thick and heavier. I don't know if it's chemically possible to make a smart keyboard
0:41:40that has backlit material that doesn't require more, you know, wires and electronics under
0:41:47the hood. I don't know if they can make a smart keyboard that is, you know, made of
0:41:51fabric but also backlit at the same time. I don't know if it's possible at this time.
0:41:57That doesn't seem impossible to me, like, because, I mean, the Hue strips are flexible.
0:42:03You know, I'm not saying it's easy, but it doesn't feel like it would be impossible to
0:42:08light that somehow with technology that exists today.
0:42:13What I would really like to see, though, is even in the standard Smart Keyboard, not even
0:42:17in the potential Pro version, more versatility in terms of viewing angles.
0:42:24I would like Apple to sort of copy what Microsoft has been doing with the kickstand approach
0:42:30and just give me more ways to fold the thing and prop up the iPad at a different angle.
0:42:36Yeah, I don't remember what company this was now, but there was one that I saw recently
0:42:42where the... it was like a smart keyboard but it had like a row of magnets in it so
0:42:48you could adjust more easily by just moving it backwards and forwards.
0:42:51I think that was a Microsoft product as well, I don't remember now.
0:42:55But like, so imagine like the smart keyboard but instead of it locking into that little section
0:42:59it will fit anywhere and you can just infinitely adjust it because the entire plane is magnetic
0:43:04where it's attaching to, that would be really nice.
0:43:07Yeah, that would be really nice. I shouldn't have, I also shouldn't have to attach
0:43:11metal kickstands to the outer side of the smart keyboard if I want to type in
0:43:17software keyboard mode, which is something that I do.
0:43:21So I agree with all of that. I would also mention I
0:43:23Want an update to the magic keyboard?
0:43:26It's been a while and I think it's time for the magic keyboard to switch to USB C instead of lightning for charging
0:43:32If only because you know computers are switching to USB C
0:43:37So keep up with the times and also make it backlit because the magic keyboard is great
0:43:41I love it, but it charges real lightning which I don't like and it's not backlit
0:43:46Which it feels like it should be because it's a keyboard with a battery
0:43:50I mean if we're going to talk about the Magic Keyboard, find a way to put Touch ID on it
0:43:54as well.
0:43:55Well, yes.
0:43:56I know that's like a whole different thing that I'm sure is very, very complicated, but
0:44:01that would be kind of amazing.
0:44:02I'm sure you would love that, Steven, right?
0:44:04Like if somebody...
0:44:05Because your MacBook Pro has Touch ID, right?
0:44:08Yeah.
0:44:09Yeah, so like I'm sure that you get very frustrated when you sit down at your wonderful Mac Pro
0:44:14and you can't...
0:44:15You have to type in to authenticate.
0:44:17Because I use the Apple Watch, when I wear my Apple Watch and I do the Apple Watch unlock,
0:44:21but that for me is not consistent in speed.
0:44:26It doesn't always work.
0:44:27It's super slow.
0:44:28I find it to be very slow.
0:44:29I sit down at the computer and I have to look at the login screen and wait for it to unlock.
0:44:33I don't like the time that it takes for the Apple Watch to unlock the computer.
0:44:37And it also doesn't work all the time and it annoys me that it doesn't work if I have
0:44:41to reboot it.
0:44:42I get why.
0:44:44Like I find the Apple watch unlock to be unsatisfactory.
0:44:47I would like to be able to authenticate with face ID or touch ID instead.
0:44:50Yeah, that that and back letter definitely that the top things for me.
0:44:54I mean, I want every keyboard to be back that I use.
0:44:57And right now the only one that actually is that he's in a regular basis
0:45:01is the MacBook Pro.
0:45:03The the only thing I thought about as far as the iPad goes is I'm
0:45:07I have never found like the folding situation to be
0:45:13extremely pleasant with the iPad Pro and the smart keyboard. The current one I feel like
0:45:18is pretty good. It's easier to do one-handed, but I don't know. And everyone struggles with
0:45:22this, you know?
0:45:23It's one of those things that makes the bridge much more satisfying.
0:45:26Right.
0:45:27Because it's just like a laptop, you just close it.
0:45:29Yeah, it just...
0:45:30It's not an origami.
0:45:31Yeah, and I just kind of wish for that. Now, I don't know if that would make it more or
0:45:35less stable in the lap, because that's sort of the other complaint I have is that the
0:45:40current smart keyboard situation like on your lap at least on the 11 inch you
0:45:43know the 12 9 is wider like it's a it's a little it feels a little dangerous
0:45:48sometimes to use it on your lap and I feel like a keyboard that was sturdier
0:45:53somehow could could maybe help with that but but I don't know it's also very loud
0:45:58when it snaps into place I mean oh yeah open the smart keyboard at night and
0:46:02people are sleeping good luck now waking up the entire building when it yeah like
0:46:09that. Like one time I wanted to save an idea like in a note and it was like 3 a.m. I was
0:46:14like "I had this really good idea I gotta save it somewhere" and so I pick up my iPad
0:46:18from my desk and I fold it open and then it clicks so loud that Silvia woke up and is
0:46:24like "what happened?" and it's like "sorry it was just a keyboard." It's very loud. It
0:46:31shouldn't be that loud. I like the idea of magnets like let me slide the thing so that
0:46:36it doesn't have to click and attach to a specific ridge of the keyboard, so that'd be nice.
0:46:43Apple Pencil.
0:46:44Myke, what do you want from the Pencil?
0:46:46I'm never going to give up on the two things that I want from the Apple Pencil.
0:46:49I want an aluminium one just because I think it will look nice and you can make me pay
0:46:53more for it.
0:46:54I just would like it.
0:46:55Pencil Pro.
0:46:56And I still want a programmable function button.
0:46:58I like the tap thing but it's not that good.
0:47:00I still want buttons.
0:47:02I think this thing should have buttons that you can press and it will do things in software.
0:47:06it is a very comfortable thing to do with Wacom tablets and stuff. I think that this
0:47:11needs a button or it needs a real Force trackpad type deal, like what we have on the AirPods
0:47:21Pro or whatever, you press the ForcePress. Because the tapping thing is fine but it's
0:47:27not very intuitive. I think there needs to be some kind of programming area on this I
0:47:32think. I would really like it.
0:47:34I've completely forgotten about the tapping thing. Buttons are good. Why don't people like buttons?
0:47:41Buttons are great. Even fake buttons are okay, right? Yes. They're all better than gestures.
0:47:46Yes, yes they are. And especially when you associate the word "programmable" with them,
0:47:53they become especially good because it's like it's a physical thing that you can customize the way
0:47:57that you want. And now I don't use the pencil much because I don't, you know, I don't take
0:48:02notes that way, but I kind of love the idea of the Pencil, if it had a programmable button,
0:48:08as sort of like an additional interface to execute something on my iPad, whether it's
0:48:14open, again, opening one of my favorite apps or switching to a split view or running a
0:48:20shortcut, because why not? There's precedent for this, for example, in accessibility, you
0:48:24can pick from a list of shortcuts to execute when you have a trackpad connected to your
0:48:29iPad so let me run a shortcut when I click a button on the Apple Pencil. That'd be nice.
0:48:37But yeah, I don't use it for handwriting and such. So aluminum, I probably wouldn't buy
0:48:45the... This sounds like a Pencil Pro to me that you're wishing for. Like a different
0:48:49material, a more expensive material and a button. I would buy it just for the button,
0:48:55honestly. Not for the material.
0:48:57Pro like that that feels like something Apple would want to make at some point. Yeah, make
0:49:02it more expensive, make more money. Yeah. Yeah, I do wish the cost of both of these
0:49:08products was less because it's like if you buy the iPad and then you want the smart keyboard
0:49:12on as like you've you've spent a lot of money, you know, all of a sudden. So I do wish for
0:49:18lower entry points. I do like the idea of a different material on the pencil. I wish
0:49:24that it was more for me at least it was more comfortable long term like I find
0:49:28the hard plastic or whatever it is to be kind of uncomfortable after a while but
0:49:34my primary complaint with the current Apple pencil is and one of the two of
0:49:38you mentioned this where you're getting marks on the Apple pencil and the iPad
0:49:42where they touch like like debris or something gets on there then it's I have
0:49:45those yeah I need to now all of a sudden the play don't I don't have this yeah my
0:49:50My pencil has two black marks across it and they correspond with two black marks across
0:49:55the iPad.
0:49:56And I keep it, I'm not using this thing in a, you know, some sort of mining situation.
0:50:01Like it's pretty clean.
0:50:02I don't know what happened, but that's a little frustrating.
0:50:04Well, you know, if we're talking about Apple pencil, make a small one, make a big iPhone,
0:50:10put them together.
0:50:11Like let's just do it again.
0:50:14I've I've let I'd let this dream go.
0:50:16Like Jason's done two things to me recently.
0:50:18There are two dreams that I'd let go.
0:50:19One of them was this, right, that there would somehow be a smaller
0:50:23smaller pencil with a bigger iPhone because the iPhone Pro Max is getting
0:50:28bigger, apparently is what rumors are saying.
0:50:31And also the idea of head pods like Jason has got me back around to both of these
0:50:36products like that they should exist again.
0:50:39So that's kind of where I'm at.
0:50:41And like it's basically I'm basically doing a twenty nineteen replay at this point
0:50:45where like I'm coming back around to things
0:50:47that I previously let go, but that is one of them.
0:50:49Like a tiny little pencil,
0:50:51maybe it has to go in a special case or whatever,
0:50:53but then it can be used with a larger iPhone.
0:50:56I would still really like it.
0:50:57I would still really like it.
0:50:59- I have a list of other, this is the other category.
0:51:03Myke mentioned this a few minutes ago.
0:51:06If Apple were to add trackpad to a smart keyboard pro,
0:51:10obviously we wouldn't want none of that
0:51:13assistive touch business, which is great for real accessibility purposes, but really what
0:51:18we're reaching for, and it was a whole section in my iOS and iPadOS review in September,
0:51:22is to have proper integration between the external pointing device and the iPadOS UI
0:51:28kit interface. At the moment, yes, you have a cursor, but it's not really a cursor in
0:51:32the way that you think of a cursor on the Mac. There's no... it should be an actual
0:51:38native feature that supports things like hovering over interface elements, for example, or have
0:51:46the interface adapt to whether you're using a finger or an external pointing device. And
0:51:51really, the main feature here is the combination of, once the iPadOS UI supports external pointing
0:51:59devices, it then becomes natural to think, well, now that I have a real cursor, I should
0:52:04be able to place this cursor on other displays. Therefore, there should also be better integration
0:52:11with external displays that works, again, like on the Mac, but done in a new and different
0:52:17and iPad-first sort of way. So, for example, you should be able to have multiple split
0:52:24views going on on different displays, one on the iPad, the other on an external monitor.
0:52:32now makes one of them again, it's super expensive, but still, the point being that
0:52:38the current support for external displays with the basic mirroring is not good. It's
0:52:43fine for those very few developers that support the feature, some games do, some other productivity
0:52:51apps do, like MindNode for example and WorkingCopy is another. There's an existing API for developers
0:52:58to say output this content on an external display, but it's really done for presentation
0:53:04purposes only. The external display, you cannot interact with it, you cannot move the cursor
0:53:10from the iPad onto the external display, and that should become possible. I'm very stubborn
0:53:19and I keep thinking that the idea of the iPad Pro being this sort of hybrid device without
0:53:27having to be marketed as such. It just becomes a desktop computer when it's at a desk and you have a trackpad and
0:53:34you have an external monitor, but then you just unplug a single cable and it becomes an iPad again. It's a tablet.
0:53:41I don't think Apple needs to say we're now making a hybrid computer.
0:53:44They just need to improve those couple of features that would make you work better in that type of scenario.
0:53:50I do work with my iPad and my desk with my LG Ultrafine 4K,
0:53:55But it's not ideal because you get the pillar boxing on the external display,
0:54:00you cannot place the cursor there, and you cannot have two separate pieces of content going on at the same time.
0:54:08It should become a native functionality. It should be done better.
0:54:13I don't know if it's ever going to happen, though.
0:54:15This is sort of a... it bleeds into this sort of like political discussion at Apple.
0:54:20the iPad be capable of working with trackpads and external displays just like a Mac?
0:54:25Is that a, you know, is that maybe a bridge too far? I don't know, but you know, this is wishful thinking.
0:54:31This is what we're doing here. So we're free to wish. I would even just like the ability to
0:54:36be able to plug the iPad into a display and then just turn the iPad off.
0:54:41Right, like just lock the screen. You know the basics. Yeah, like that even that would just be like,
0:54:48that would be nice. So I don't have to put the iPad facing away from me so it doesn't
0:54:52distract me. That would just be a nice thing to do even.
0:54:57An iPad stand made by Apple. This is something that I also want. Sometime in the decent feature.
0:55:05I'm using the, after Myke's recommendation, I'm using the ClearLook with Ks everywhere.
0:55:11clear look iPad stand, which is fine, it's got this sort of hinge made of plastic that
0:55:18grips onto your iPad and allows me to use the iPad in front of me, in front of my line
0:55:26of sight, which is better for my neck and my posture and it's better when I work at
0:55:30my desk. Once again, this is not a discussion about "you should use a Mac", this is not
0:55:35about that, this is like we're using our iPads this way, you will not be...
0:55:39I actually had somebody send a tweet to me today, which is a very good point and I wanted
0:55:43to make it on the show too, what we're talking about is kind of stuff. Because they said
0:55:46like previously you'd said that you were using the iPad because it allowed, like it was more
0:55:51ergonomic for you because you could change like where you're sitting more easily, you
0:55:56could change your input methods. But then the guy said like, but recently you've been
0:55:59talking about the fact that you're trying to find more ergonomic scenarios for home,
0:56:04like so you can set up your iPad on a desk, like has it changed? And I think what I wanted
0:56:08to say on that is like the point for me is no I actually still think it's better like
0:56:12because this is a sub called Chris who's who asked me this question because the iPad gives
0:56:18me the flexibility to do all of these things so I can sit on the couch and use the Apple
0:56:24pencil and that's great but then I can also put it on a desk on a stand and use a keyboard
0:56:29and a mouse like I actually I feel get even more flexibility over the ergonomic situations
0:56:35that I can choose to put myself in than I do of another computer. So it's not that anything's
0:56:38changed, it's that I'm just looking to increase the flexibility of the scenarios that I have
0:56:44available to me. And finally I would mention that I would like the Smart Folio, so the
0:56:50basic one, what used to be called the Smart Cover, to have some kind of integrated pencil
0:56:56holder. Yes I know that Apple wants to do the magnetic attachment type of deal for pairing
0:57:01and charging, which is fine, but really the pencil never stays in place when the iPad
0:57:07is in a bag. I always find it somewhere else, and so I just would like, you know, just to
0:57:13have a holder in there. Again, third-party manufacturers have come up with alternatives
0:57:18here, and it's one of those scenarios where I just want more options, really. I just,
0:57:25I get the idea of like, you just attach it and you never have to think about it again,
0:57:30really you have to think about it because you place your iPad in a bag and then the
0:57:34pencil is somewhere else and that's not great. So the Smartfolio, which I also have and never
0:57:40use, would be nicer to have a pencil holder. And basically these are my sort of the main
0:57:46wishes that I wanted to talk about. I don't know if you guys have anything else to share.
0:57:50No, I think I asked about it, but like really I just want there to be more stuff because
0:57:56I just think that it would be great.
0:57:58Stuff is nice. More stuff is always good when you're a computer nerd. More options, more flexibility.
0:58:06And pros like to customize stuff. At the end of the day that's all it comes down to.
0:58:14Pros like options and pros like flexibility.
0:58:18So I think whether it's a keyboard with a trackpad or the function row with the customizable keys
0:58:24or the Pencil Pro with the programmable button, we just want slightly more and a lot more
0:58:32options.
0:58:33And it feels good with the iPad because increasingly you can use it in a bunch of different scenarios,
0:58:41so more hardware coming from Apple that backs this up would be really great, I think.
0:58:48Yeah, because if Apple gets in this game more than it not only shows third parties what
0:58:55they could do, but it also I think it signals to people that Apple takes their customers
0:59:00using the iPad in different contexts seriously.
0:59:03I felt with the iPad Pro when they introduced the keyboard and the pencil like, "Oh, they're
0:59:09really changing the perception of the iPad by doing this."
0:59:13saying yes people want to use it in this way and we're gonna basically compete with the surface and
0:59:19these other things but they've never taken step two of that journey right it's only been these
0:59:23things and it's i mean the ipad pro came out four and a half years ago like it's the the keyboard
0:59:29and pencil is basically the same and as as ipad os has gotten better it feels like the keyboard
0:59:36and the pencil just haven't kept up and so all this hardware talk aside like i just want to see
0:59:42more software support for this stuff too. I mean all the multitasking stuff like why
0:59:46can't I do that without picking my hands up off the keyboard? Right? I can do it on a
0:59:51Mac that way. Like why do I have to do all these like all this back and forth and they're
0:59:56making steps like keyboard shortcuts and those things are all good but I feel like it's it's
1:00:01time for them to really dig into what is possible to encourage everybody to move in that direction
1:00:08together. Yes. All right. We are going to talk some about CES. I know it wrapped up
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1:01:34Gentlemen allow me to take you on a tour of the things that was interesting I saw that were
1:01:40interesting to me at CES from last week. Not that I was there but merely following along with my
1:01:45favorite blogs and YouTube channels. The first thing is a selection of new LG monitors. So
1:01:52there's some interesting stuff here but one of them is a 38 inch ultra-wide which has thunderbolt
1:01:573 support. The rest of them are USB-C and stuff like that, but I wanted to get your
1:02:02opinions, Diabon, on like, that feels like it could be a very interesting Mac Pro option,
1:02:08right?
1:02:09Yeah, it could. You know, I don't know. It's 38 inches, it's ultra wide. Some people are
1:02:16really into that scene. I haven't done much with that. But the resolution is 3840 by 1600.
1:02:24And so I'm not sure of the density, doing some like quick math.
1:02:30That's not quite retina resolution, but because it's basically 4k, but but at 38 inches, so
1:02:39it does like if you want a curved monitor, this seems like a great idea because Thunderbolt
1:02:43Three is awesome.
1:02:44And it is showing up in more and more PCs as well.
1:02:47But if you're coming from like a an iMac going to the Mac Pro, I think you'd maybe be a little
1:02:53disappointed in the density of the screen. Yeah, because LG have a bunch of other monitors
1:02:58that they showed off, but this is the only one, the new one, that has Thunderbolt 3.
1:03:04This is, the rest of them are all USB-C. So there's a bunch of, there's some options there,
1:03:11but I just thought it was interesting that they had another, like it's basically like
1:03:14if you don't like the ultra-fine or if you want a bit more flexibility and size and kind
1:03:20of like, yeah, screen real estate, this is another option for you, right?
1:03:24Yeah, but I do like that it's Thunderbolt because Thunderbolt needs to be like, wildly
1:03:28successful because that's good for Mac users. And so yeah, think about like the firewire
1:03:33days, firewire was on some Sony stuff and on a bunch of cameras, but it didn't really
1:03:38take off like in the wider PC market and Thunderbolt three, I think because it's it's from Intel,
1:03:45it just comes on the chipsets most of the time. And it's the same port as USB C. So
1:03:50kind of get two for one like it is showing up more and more and that's only
1:03:53good for those of us with Macs in the house. HP have a new all-in-one that I
1:03:59would like Apple to borrow heavily from when looking at an iMac redesign. It is a
1:04:0531 and a half inch 4k display. The bezels are super thin. I think it has a really
1:04:10nice, it features the smart home fabric right that like every device has right
1:04:15there at the bottom which is probably where the speaker is. So I like the overall
1:04:19design of it but the reason I went to include it is it has one amazing feature
1:04:22the base of the screen like the PC has a wireless charger in it so you can charge
1:04:27your phone on it yeah that's that's awesome yes right and then also like I
1:04:31saw I don't remember who it was it might some like I think it might have been
1:04:34Logitech we're making a mouse that could wirelessly charge like I don't remember
1:04:39what company it was but like have that would be really great right like your
1:04:43wireless charging mouse a wireless charger in the base of your monitor and
1:04:46and you can just pick and you could just easily just like when you walk away for the day you
1:04:50just drop it on there and you'll have it ready or you can put your phone down on there. I think
1:04:54that this is like a very smart like a very smart way to handle this kind of stuff like to put
1:05:01wireless charging inside of the base of a computer it's like such a natural place right?
1:05:06I bet it's where you're going to see your phone when you work right? Yeah. Like no-brainer.
1:05:12Yeah, so like and then it's also like that is that is desk real estate that is otherwise unused
1:05:18right because it's you can't do anything with the base of the computer so you're actually making
1:05:23some use to it which i think is really nice. The next one is exciting news Myke for you but also
1:05:29maybe for me LG's 2020 OLED lineup is going to include a TV at 48 inches which i think would
1:05:38probably solve the size problem you had with your bigger TV. By the way, is that still sitting in
1:05:44your house? Oh no, we got that taken care of. So this is a long story, but basically,
1:05:53after getting some consumer legal advice, we were able to return it.
1:05:56Okay, good. Yeah, it was like a whole thing. It was like a big thing and Adina handled it,
1:06:01but we were able to return it. Yeah, because I've kind of been thinking that maybe this is the year
1:06:05we go to 4k. We have an old LG 1080 TV now, but 55 inches in the room that's in it. Myke,
1:06:13you've been in my house where the TV is, I feel like I'd have the same problem you would,
1:06:17where 55 would be too big. But 48 I think would be kind of the sweet spot. So I'm excited to see this
1:06:23come out later this year. And, you know, it's nice that like, not everyone needs a 65 inch
1:06:30television and so I'm glad that they're moving downstream a little bit.
1:06:35This is, I have my eye on this, this is what we will buy.
1:06:39Like I'm very very excited to see when this 40H goes on the market.
1:06:45Like Sony's doing one as well, but I want the LG one, like that's what I want because
1:06:50I loved the LG 55, I love the design of it, I really like the remote, I liked everything
1:06:55about it.
1:06:56just too big but I think a 48 would fit really well for us because we have like a 42 right
1:07:02now and so I think a 48 would fit really nicely so like I really am keeping my eye out for
1:07:09when LG are going to push this product out.
1:07:12But it's good because it's been rumored for ages that they were going to do it but they
1:07:17have actually shown it off like they are doing it so if anybody ever sees this thing go on
1:07:22sale please let me know. There was a lot of TV stuff obviously like 8K 900 inch TVs or
1:07:30whatever but this is like a realistic thing that I think a lot of people would like and
1:07:34I'm pleased that companies are starting to go down in the size line. I think that's really
1:07:39great.
1:07:402018, 2019 and 2020 OG TVs are going to get the Apple TV app and also some Sony and Physio
1:07:48TVs as well so these TVs will have some variation of AirPlay and maybe or maybe
1:07:56not HomeKit right but currently up to this point Samsung was the only company
1:08:02that had the actual Apple TV app itself installed so you didn't even need to
1:08:08you didn't use any other device you could just go and watch like for all
1:08:13mankind or whatever just on the on the TV well it's when I think this was
1:08:17this might have been last September or something like that when Apple was showing us off they
1:08:21did reference that other companies would get this functionality so that's happening.
1:08:25LG seems to be doing a good job of putting it on most of their TVs over the last few
1:08:30years so if you have one of those at some point you'll get that. I reckon that for a
1:08:35lot of people honestly like the need for an Apple TV is decreasing.
1:08:41Oh yeah.
1:08:42asked. If you have a modern TV now, you get the Apple TV app so you get all of that content,
1:08:48which includes all of the movies that you've ever bought. It's not just the original stuff,
1:08:53it's all of the stuff you can watch in it. You get access to your entire library.
1:08:57You can watch YouTube in 4K because the Apple TV can't do that. And then all of the apps that you
1:09:06use like Netflix and stuff, they look just the same on the smart TV apps as they do on
1:09:12the Apple TV. And a lot of these companies, like if you watch Netflix a lot, which I think
1:09:16most of us do, they have like Netflix buttons on the remote controls, right? So like, when
1:09:23I get this LG, I wouldn't be surprised if over time I just move away from using the
1:09:29Apple TV because all I use it for is to launch the apps that are already installed on the
1:09:35the smart TV, they're already all there, but the only one that was missing was Apple's,
1:09:39but when Apple puts it on all of these TVs, it really reduces the requirement for me to
1:09:46use the Apple TV box, because the remote is not as good, right?
1:09:50And I feel like I'm struggling to understand why I would want to use the Apple TV, like
1:09:56I don't like the Apple TV UI, I know some people do, but I don't like it, even though
1:10:00I'm the TV OS guy, I mean that's probably the only reason I would have to keep using
1:10:03an Apple TV so I can keep doing my great reviews that everybody looks forward to. But it just
1:10:09becomes less and less of an incentive, there's less and less incentive, right, to use the
1:10:15Apple TV itself.
1:10:17Yeah, I... one of my issues with the built-in... and by the way, I'm sad that my 2017 LG TV
1:10:25is getting none of these upgrades, even though I know that it's technically capable of handling
1:10:30but whatever. What I don't like is that every so often the built-in Netflix app on my smart TV
1:10:36resets the setting to turn off motion smoothing, which is why I keep opening the Apple TV app.
1:10:46My problem is that I forgot how to change it back, so now motion smoothing is back on in the
1:10:54the Netflix built-in app on my LG TV and I don't...
1:10:58Wait, just Netflix?
1:10:59Yeah, just Netflix. And I don't know... Yeah, I don't know why it's on again somehow.
1:11:08Some listener knows how to fix this.
1:11:09Some listeners knows and they're going to send me the instructions because I'm too lazy
1:11:14to Google it again and fiddle around, you know, while Sylvia is waiting to watch a show
1:11:19on Netflix. I don't want to do that. It's somewhere in settings, I'm sure. But yeah,
1:11:24motion smo- and like, it's become something that we notice right away. Like Silvia used
1:11:28to make fun of me for noticing motion smoothing, and now she caught the bug too. Now she notices
1:11:34that immediately. She's like, nope, change to the Apple TV. So, but yeah, I basically
1:11:40don't use the Apple TV for anything else but the Netflix app because I'm lazy. And I guess
1:11:48on the big bedroom TV we don't have the native Apple TV app so we also use it for that. But
1:11:57I could see a scenario where we forgo the Apple TV box entirely and we just use the
1:12:05built-in apps which are better than everything else really because there's a button in the
1:12:11remote and if you don't have a button, like I don't think my remote has a Prime Video
1:12:16button but there's the recent button and if you click it you open the webOS UI
1:12:21which is so much better than the TVOS UI and the remote has a pointing
1:12:28cursor so you just need to hover over the Prime Video channel and you click and
1:12:32it's done. It's again it's a lesson in how to design remotes for actual
1:12:39television watching. So...
1:12:41I can't wait to get this TV.
1:12:43Yeah, it's a sturdy remote, you know, it's not made of glass, so no risk of shattering the glass surface of the remote.
1:12:51A dog can throw the remote all across the room, let me tell you, and it will not break.
1:12:56And it's also made of, you know, it comes with replaceable AA batteries, which is, you know, it's not great, but whatever.
1:13:04Yeah, and it's got a click wheel, it's got a pointing cursor, it's really well done.
1:13:10It's a good remote, and it's also ergonomic, and you can always tell which way is up, which
1:13:15it still gets me every single time.
1:13:17And if you accidentally just brush the back of your hand against the remote, well, nothing
1:13:25happens.
1:13:26So it's beautiful, it's beautiful.
1:13:29The world of plastic remotes, it's a beautiful world.
1:13:31Let me tell you guys about a gaming PC.
1:13:34called the Razer Tomahawk and I thought it looked really interesting. I put the link
1:13:38in the show notes on Austin Evans' video where they show it being put together and then also
1:13:42a Verge article about the thing that lives inside of this. It is being built around something
1:13:47that Intel was calling the NUC compute element. If you're familiar with the NUC, right? The
1:13:54little tiny Intel box, right? They're making something now which is called the NUC compute
1:13:59element which is it's basically like it looks like a graphics card but it has a
1:14:05tiny motherboard inside and it has a Intel chip and it's really small and you
1:14:12can fit it into these like basically shoebox size PC cases so you have these
1:14:17small boards you have to you do have to bring your own graphics card RAM and
1:14:21SSD and obviously have a case to put it in but it's basically giving people the
1:14:26ability to more easily build gaming PCs or PCs in general and put them into much smaller
1:14:35cases. It's like a really clever design. The problem is that the compute element starts
1:14:39at $1050 for an i5 so it's very expensive considering you also need to bring your own
1:14:45graphics card, RAM and SSD and a case to put it all in. But it does result in very new
1:14:51and weird in a good way I think looking PC designs. So you can end up with pretty powerful
1:14:57machines in much much smaller chassis. Now of course like all the thermals and stuff
1:15:01like who knows how that's going to work yet but I saw a few PCs for it, I thought it looked
1:15:06pretty interesting. It's just like another thing that Intel's doing to I don't know try
1:15:11and differentiate themselves in some way. The NUCs seem to have been a bit of a hobby
1:15:13of success so they're kind of pushing it out a little bit more. But I don't know if either
1:15:18you have literally anything to say on that, you don't have to, it's fine. Next thing is
1:15:21maybe more interesting.
1:15:23It's like, no, it's like a baby. It's like if a Mac mini and a Mac Pro had a baby, right?
1:15:29It's modular in a weird way.
1:15:31Yes, it is. It's very similar to that.
1:15:33One of the things I'd read was like concern around how long Intel was going to support
1:15:37this platform as it's a one and done. And they said they're going to support it for
1:15:40several years to come. So next year, you could buy a new compute element with a better processor
1:15:47slide it in and keep your GPU, RAM, SSD all the same. So it's yeah
1:15:51upgradeable, but like the people who want to build a gaming PC will still do that, but if you
1:15:57kind of want to do it, but not all the way and this is like a nice middle ground
1:16:01I don't know how big of a market that is, but I love weird form factors for PC. So I'm glad they're doing it
1:16:06Yes, like the Razer Tomahawk will start at like $2,300 for a complete system, which is expensive for a gaming PC
1:16:13I don't think my gaming PC that I built will cost that much and it would smoke this thing.
1:16:20But I will say that even though I really loved building my gaming PC, I was very apprehensive
1:16:25beforehand and if something like this existed, I would have seriously looked at it as somebody
1:16:28who's never done it before.
1:16:31Like if you're maybe somebody who would buy something like Corsair makes something called
1:16:36the Corsair One, which is effectively a gaming PC, but you buy it like it's a games console,
1:16:40like it's already pre-built.
1:16:42And this would give people that are in that kind of market more options because they would
1:16:46be able to more easily upgrade it when they needed to because it seems like a very simple
1:16:51machine to upgrade.
1:16:52A OnePlus had a concept phone called the Concept One that they were showing off and the fun
1:16:57feature about this is it uses something called electrochromic glass to hide the cameras.
1:17:03So it's like a sunroof and it's actually built on the same technology that they use in a
1:17:06McLaren sports car.
1:17:08If you don't know, OnePlus and McLaren, the car company, have like an agreement, they
1:17:12have some kind of partnership and every year they create a super fast version of the OnePlus
1:17:17phone which they call the McLaren edition and it always has some design to it.
1:17:21This concept had like orange leather that's like in the McLaren seats.
1:17:25I think it looks really cool but anyway.
1:17:28The electrochromic glass is interesting because it hides the cameras.
1:17:33So what it does is, imagine, it's like, you know, like, if you've ever seen this, like,
1:17:39electric, like, when you've got, like, glass and you can run a current through it and make
1:17:42it clear, right? Like, you could do it on some...
1:17:44Yeah, like on, like on certain Virgin Atlantic airplanes?
1:17:48Sure.
1:17:49Maybe?
1:17:50Yeah, yeah, like that, it's anything, so it's basically using an electric charge to change
1:17:55the opacity of glass.
1:17:57So effectively what it's doing is you can have, like, three or four cameras behind the
1:18:01the glass and you don't see them until you need them.
1:18:05And one of the things that's good about this is like going into the future, like the rumors
1:18:09for the Samsung S20, which is that's the name by the way it seems, S20 rather than S11,
1:18:15they just go into 2020 S20.
1:18:18There's going to be like five cameras in this thing maybe.
1:18:20And like that's going to get uglier and uglier over time.
1:18:24So having glass that can hide the cameras, if you can find a way to integrate that into
1:18:30the design of the phone, the OnePlus concept phone does because it just looks like it's
1:18:33a flat piece and then it just hides it. I think it's actually really nice, like it's
1:18:37like a nice design and it also works as something called an ND filter. I didn't know what this
1:18:41meant and I heard a bunch of YouTubers like talking about "oh it's an ND filter" I had
1:18:45no idea what this meant but I was able to get an answer from a friend. It's like putting
1:18:49sunglasses on your phone's camera so like the light would be less harsh so if you're
1:18:53maybe taking a picture of something and the light is really bright you could turn on this
1:18:57filter using this glass and it would like dim the light for you right so I think that this is a very
1:19:03interesting thing and I assume it's going to be in the next OnePlus phone that will come out this year
1:19:09which will also have a 120 hertz display. Phones are going to get crazy in 2020 guys like I am
1:19:14very much here for this like the rumors of the S20 is madness like a hundred and something
1:19:22megapixel camera and like it's it looks it looks pretty bananas but that's
1:19:29something that's maybe it's something for another day that's coming out in
1:19:31February or something but that is my my whistle stop tour of things that
1:19:35interested me at CES. If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about this week
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