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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 275.
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0:00:18My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined
0:00:20in this new year by my friend and yours, Mr. Myke Hurley.
0:00:23- I would like to be known as Ricky Hurley for this episode.
0:00:27- Well, I don't, that's assumptive.
0:00:30We'll see, we'll see.
0:00:32- King of Rickeys, Myke Hurley.
0:00:34- Federico is also here, hello Federico.
0:00:35- Hey, we'll have to see about that, Myke.
0:00:38- Oh yeah?
0:00:39- I don't know for how long you're gonna be
0:00:40King of the Rickey.
0:00:41- We'll see, yeah, we'll see.
0:00:43I have a conspiracy theory.
0:00:45- Oh yeah? - Oh no.
0:00:46- Yeah. - Okay.
0:00:47- Yeah.
0:00:48- So this is our annual prediction episode.
0:00:52If you're not familiar with this,
0:00:53we do these before Apple events,
0:00:55but we also do them for the whole year
0:00:58where we make predictions, then we grade ourselves,
0:01:00and there's a very elaborate rule and scoring system
0:01:03that we will discuss as we go.
0:01:05So today we're doing a couple things.
0:01:07We are reviewing our 2019 picks,
0:01:09and we will see who won that for last year,
0:01:13and we'll be making our 2020 picks.
0:01:16And occasionally throughout the year we revisit these,
0:01:18but a year from today we will see how we've done.
0:01:21So it's a very exciting day. - Hold your horses.
0:01:23You hold your horses.
0:01:25There's nothing else to talk about. You wait right there. There's nothing else to talk about. The Rickies can wait.
0:01:31You have done two things. You betrayed us and
0:01:35Yes, you purchase something.
0:01:38There is a purchase/betrayal going on. I would like to bring forward a motion to impeach Stephen Hackett.
0:01:46He is unfit to co-host this show.
0:01:54Wow
0:01:55Okay, it's not like I bought a ThinkPad. I mean come on
0:01:58No, you betrayed us for another program with exclusive content
0:02:04Yeah, I would like to say that you colluded with David Sparks. Yes
0:02:08Yes, that there was collusion. There was collusion
0:02:12and
0:02:15Therefore Myke and I are going to have a vote
0:02:19Okay. And with this vote, you will be impeached from a podcast, which means...
0:02:25Nothing.
0:02:26It really means nothing. Basically, just like in real life, like it means nothing.
0:02:31You'll still be here.
0:02:33Literally.
0:02:34But you will always be remembered as the first impeached co-host of this program.
0:02:40Wow. I've done nothing wrong.
0:02:44You bought a Macintosh Professional.
0:02:46Yes.
0:02:47And kept it from the connected audience.
0:02:49Yes. It's a secret. When asked to share such news with the audience, he refused.
0:02:58Refused.
0:02:59Refused, mentioning the fact that he had struck a deal behind closed doors with David Sparks
0:03:06to share this information on a different show. So I think we have all we need for podcast
0:03:15impeachment here. Stephen, you have any statements?
0:03:20Uh, I don't think I have to defend myself here.
0:03:24Sure. No collusion. You did buy a Macintosh professional though. I did.
0:03:30I did do that and I did break the news on MPU first.
0:03:34And that proves the point. I mean,
0:03:36I don't know in what exact episode it was that I said you would definitely do
0:03:40this and you said you wouldn't,
0:03:41but there is 100% that has been done multiple times.
0:03:44Would you like to talk about why?
0:03:48I mean, I got really excited.
0:03:52Yeah, I think that is perfectly valid.
0:03:54We all knew it was going to happen, right?
0:03:56Like I think everybody knew this.
0:03:57Everybody knew you were buying it.
0:03:59You didn't, but everybody else did.
0:04:02So in the weirdness that is the holidays, it is actually out for delivery right now.
0:04:07Yeah, we're in a time situation at the moment.
0:04:12So I have bought it but I'm not using it yet but by the time this comes out I've had it
0:04:16for a couple weeks.
0:04:17Well unless the UPS guy just loses it.
0:04:22It's an 80 pound box that would be tricky.
0:04:25So it could fall off the back of a truck.
0:04:26That would be sad.
0:04:27It would hurt somebody severely.
0:04:30It would crush whoever's behind the UPS truck in traffic.
0:04:33So I may have to duck out at some point and go answer the door.
0:04:36But I did it.
0:04:37I shared about it on Mac Power Easers first.
0:04:40That's just how it is.
0:04:41So I stand in defiance to your impeachment.
0:04:45- Clearly, clearly, you're just shouting it back at us.
0:04:48Well, I'm very happy for you.
0:04:49I actually am quite jealous of you
0:04:51because I've been watching lots of Macintosh
0:04:55professional YouTube content
0:04:56and it's making me want it more.
0:05:00- Do you see where Quinn Nelson took his apart completely?
0:05:04- That's, Quinn's specific video
0:05:07makes me want the machine a lot,
0:05:09even though I would be so scared to touch it.
0:05:13But for some reason, the fact that he and you own a computer that can be taken apart,
0:05:18I was like, "Well, I want to take my computer apart."
0:05:22But I don't...
0:05:23It's probably ill-advised no matter what, but it was a very good video.
0:05:28I liked that he brought to light some things that we had made assumptions about, right?
0:05:32Like the fact that the wheels, in theory, can be added on, right?
0:05:36that you can take the feet off if you take the entire computer apart. They're not necessarily
0:05:41attached to the frame in theory because you can take the feet off, which means that somebody could
0:05:46make aftermarket wheels for a Mac Pro if that's the thing that you're interested in. But I don't
0:05:52know, it just seems like fun, right? I was also listening to ATP and hearing John pick out all
0:05:57the cards he wants to put in his... It just seems like a fun thing to be able to do as a computer
0:06:03user. I enjoyed putting my own PC together and being able to do that with a Macintosh
0:06:07professional, it just sounds great.
0:06:09Yeah, I'm excited. So, so can we move on? Can we talk about our 2019 predictions?
0:06:15Can we predict if you will remain in the show?
0:06:19I feel like I will not be evicted from office. Round one of our 2019 predictions. Federico,
0:06:27you got to go first for 2019.
0:06:29- Wow, we're not recapping rules, we're not just,
0:06:32what is this, like?
0:06:32- Oh, okay, okay, I'm sorry, you know you're right.
0:06:34- Banana Republic situation over here,
0:06:36like what's going on?
0:06:37Like, this rules?
0:06:38- Yeah, I feel like the rules,
0:06:40in case people are new to the show,
0:06:42if we don't explain the rules
0:06:44before we do the prediction grading--
0:06:46- It makes no sense.
0:06:46- It will make no sense.
0:06:47- No, it's not that it will not make sense,
0:06:49it's that you just won't enjoy it as much,
0:06:52because the rules are part of the enjoyment.
0:06:55- The rules are part of the fun.
0:06:56- Yes.
0:06:57- So let me go through the rules,
0:06:59then we will move on. Thank you. The winner who shall be called Chairman Ricky, as a reminder,
0:07:05from the previous Ricky's gets to pick first. We've already gone into rule 1.1 because it,
0:07:15the idea of picking first depends which Ricky's we're talking about. Yes. Correct. Because it's
0:07:22There are multiple concurrent RIKI's that occur throughout the year.
0:07:28Yes. So with the annual RIKI's, the winner of the previous annual RIKI, who is chairman
0:07:35RIKI for the annual RIKI's, gets to pick the RIKI first.
0:07:39If we'd... But then there are events throughout the year, right?
0:07:43Like different Apple events.
0:07:45That person gets to pick...
0:07:48I'm lost now. I'm confused already.
0:07:51So basically it, to go first, you have to have won the previous iteration of the Ricky.
0:07:59So to be first, and so for instance, whoever won 2019 will get to go first in the 2020
0:08:07annual predictions.
0:08:08Whoever won WWC 2019 will go first for WWC 2020.
0:08:13No it's because the Apple event should roll on one after another, remember?
0:08:17That was different too.
0:08:18Yeah, all the Apple events, like just the events, they roll on.
0:08:22So we do Ricky's for those.
0:08:23We should also talk about why they're even called Ricky's.
0:08:26There are picks that go throughout the year.
0:08:32The winner of the picks gets to pick first the next time.
0:08:35And then we also do annual picks as well.
0:08:38And there's like two different tracks of picks that we do.
0:08:41We also, in 2019, did an audio predictions, which is like a whole separate thing.
0:08:46Yes.
0:08:47Right.
0:08:48I'm adding to our document "Annual winners roll over to preserve the order. 2019 annual winner
0:08:53gets to go first in 2020." Yes.
0:08:55Et cetera. Look, it's very simple. Like, this totally makes sense, I think.
0:08:59It is very simple, but it's difficult to explain it in a concise way, I think.
0:09:05So the reason that they're called the "Rickeys"? Yes.
0:09:09Is? Is.
0:09:11No one's gonna explain this?
0:09:14We have to explain the point system, and we'll get to this.
0:09:17Okay, all right, cool. To earn any points, everything written down in the prediction document must come true.
0:09:23Mm-hmm.
0:09:24Mm-hmm.
0:09:24No half points are ever awarded.
0:09:26Never.
0:09:27Mm-hmm.
0:09:27One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds.
0:09:32Yes, the regular round is...
0:09:34Yes.
0:09:35Two regular rounds, and that's just one point.
0:09:37Right.
0:09:38Each.
0:09:39Each.
0:09:39And then the third round, it used to be called the risky pick round, and this is how that worked.
0:09:46Two points are awarded for correct picks in the risky pick round if your risky pick is wrong
0:09:52you lose a point from your total yeah, and
0:09:55Critically the other two hosts impeached or not must agree that your pick is risky
0:10:02And what happened is I think it was it was honestly it was probably me. Yes. It was
0:10:07Mispronounced risky pick as Ricky and we now have the Ricky's yes. Yeah, that's not the naming
0:10:14Thank you for helping, thank you for all that explanation, for helping drag me out of the
0:10:19Ricky naming hole that I found myself in.
0:10:21We also have non-graded picks at the very end, which are just things that we want out
0:10:26there.
0:10:27The Year of Steven came from a non-graded pick.
0:10:30Right, they're flexes too.
0:10:31It's like things that we think might happen.
0:10:34But none of us are bold enough to think that they would definitely happen, that we would
0:10:40pick them.
0:10:41later we'll get to go "haha it's the year of Stephen" yeah correct there is this
0:10:46concept the loser of the non graded picks has to buy drinks for the other
0:10:51two hosts but this has never been enacted it's like it's on the books but
0:10:55no one has ever taken advantage of that rule. This is gonna be like you know you have those well we
0:10:59have a lot of these in Britain right rules that are so old because they were
0:11:02just never taken out of like law so like there's this hill somewhere in
0:11:07Wales where you can legally kill someone with bow and arrow or whatever nonsense
0:11:10it is on like the first Thursday. Is that true? There's like some, that is about 75%
0:11:16true what I've just said, but there is like some really weird lore about a hill. There's
0:11:19only a 25% chance that you go to jail if you do that. Is that what you're saying? Lore,
0:11:25hill, bow, arrow. Can we do some research on this topic? Firsthand research. In York
0:11:30it's perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow, excluding Sundays. Interesting.
0:11:36Oh yeah, well you don't want to do it on Lord's day.
0:11:38So you can shoot, right? You can just shoot with a bow and arrow.
0:11:44Interesting. Very interesting.
0:11:46You guys want to go on a camping trip?
0:11:48Do we have any bones to pick with the Scotsman also?
0:11:52We can find one.
0:11:53James Thompson?
0:11:55Oh no, I love James.
0:11:58Well I mean, you know, maybe just a little shoot, you know?
0:12:02A little bit?
0:12:04- In the thigh, just a little bit of the arrow tip.
0:12:07- Just like a pure flesh wound.
0:12:10- Just a small bow and arrow wound.
0:12:11- Just a small-- - A graze, just a graze.
0:12:14(laughing)
0:12:15- It's a close shave, really.
0:12:16(laughing)
0:12:18- Like right by the calf, you know?
0:12:21Just like-- - This has turned
0:12:22into a very threatening episode.
0:12:25- Those are the rules, this is how this works.
0:12:27- Yes. - I think maybe we take a break
0:12:28before we get into this. - Yes.
0:12:30- Okay, cool.
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0:13:50All right, round one.
0:13:52Round one.
0:13:53This is what we predicted in 2019.
0:13:55Rico you said there will be a new Apple new subscription service for content
0:14:00from select publications yeah yeah Apple news plus that was announced in March
0:14:05nailed it yeah that pretty much came true so I didn't know at the time is
0:14:09just how select it would be thankfully you didn't say a new popular subscription
0:14:15service no or successful or just good no always omit the qualifiers always and
0:14:22try to make it as generic as possible, at least for the regular round.
0:14:27So yeah, unless you're demanded to make it more specific, which is a thing that we have
0:14:32done in the past.
0:14:33Yes, because it's too generic.
0:14:35Yes, I agree.
0:14:36But in this case, we did get the Apple News subscription service, Apple News Plus, and
0:14:41it's not great, really.
0:14:43I don't think any of us are paying for that at the moment.
0:14:46Nope.
0:14:47But it's out there.
0:14:49It exists.
0:14:50came out in 2019. So there you go. That's a point.
0:14:54Uh, up next,
0:14:55I said that the Mac pro would ship by the end of 2019.
0:15:00And I am a witness to this coming true.
0:15:03Yup. There was an addendum that I gave, which was, uh,
0:15:07when you can order one was, was perfectly acceptable as a thing.
0:15:11Like whether they arrived or not, uh, didn't, didn't count.
0:15:14There is a not graded in here, which says, I assume Steven says this,
0:15:18I waffle on sticking with my iMac Pro.
0:15:20- Sure, buddy. - Didn't really waffle,
0:15:22did you?
0:15:23You'd ordered one within days
0:15:25of them being available for order.
0:15:27- Yeah, we did waffle for two days.
0:15:29- It was a very small waffle.
0:15:30- Very small waffle.
0:15:32- A waff, really.
0:15:33- Myke, you continued on Federico's
0:15:36subscription service theme,
0:15:38saying that Apple would launch a subscription service
0:15:41featuring original video content.
0:15:45Well done.
0:15:46- Thank you.
0:15:47So we all got a point in round one.
0:15:49We are tied according to my notebook.
0:15:51- So this ordering of Federico Steven Myke
0:15:55means that the 2018, that was how it was scored, right?
0:15:58Federico came first, you came second, I came third.
0:16:01- Assuming that the rules we have now
0:16:03were in fact a year ago, it's impossible to know
0:16:05if that was true.
0:16:06- Okay, yes, no one could ever possibly know that.
0:16:09But that's what we will naturally assume.
0:16:10- All right, Myke, you wanna walk us through round two?
0:16:13Federico said iOS gets a tabbed Windows feature that all apps can implement.
0:16:19So at the time, there's quotes around tabbed Windows because at the time,
0:16:24and I remember we talked about this,
0:16:25we didn't know what the multi window support on iPad was.
0:16:30We couldn't conceptualize it. Nobody could.
0:16:32And it turned out to be, in fact, literally just Windows and Expose.
0:16:37And we had all kinds of crazy ideas in mind.
0:16:40But yeah, I think it's a point because even though there are no tabs, we were basing this
0:16:47off of a report from Bloomberg. They mentioned tabs and windows, like interchangeably, it was
0:16:53very confusing. So we went with tabbed windows because it was like a catch-all idea for the idea
0:17:02of you're going to be able to open multiple instances of the same app across the OS.
0:17:08I will grant this. This is how I remember that conversation happening. That it was kind of like,
0:17:13"Hey, we know there's this feature coming. Nobody knows what it means. We'll just go with it."
0:17:18Like, we know what it's going to do. We don't know what it looks like.
0:17:20Yeah. So I would say that I would opt for a half point, but we can't give half points,
0:17:27according to the rules. So I yield to the two of you. I think you get this,
0:17:31but it's by the skin of your teeth. But it is more of a point than not a point, though.
0:17:36Like, if you're...
0:17:37Correct.
0:17:38Yeah.
0:17:39I agree.
0:17:40And that means it's a full point, because we're only doing zeros and ones around these
0:17:43spots.
0:17:44Thank you.
0:17:45Steven's round two pick was that the MacBook escape would go away.
0:17:49Which it did.
0:17:50It got replaced by a two port touch bar.
0:17:52That was a good one.
0:17:54Yeah, that was, I mean, I think, I don't know how I felt about this at the time, but even
0:17:58though it has happened, that was quite a risky pick there, I think.
0:18:04That was, you were really going on one there, I think.
0:18:06Too bad it didn't make it my risky pick.
0:18:10Yeah, I mean, it made sense to me.
0:18:12The product line makes more sense now.
0:18:14Look, that low-end MacBook Pro is still pretty wimpy.
0:18:19It still only has two ports, but it
0:18:21has a touch bar and touch ID, so it is no longer the machine
0:18:25that we knew as the MacBook Escape.
0:18:28My second pick is a perfect example
0:18:31of how wording can win you a point.
0:18:34On iOS 13, the iPad home screen features more than just app icons.
0:18:40We all expected it to be more than just widgets, but what we got was widgets, so technically
0:18:46I get that point, right?
0:18:48Like it was very close, but I did it.
0:18:50Because it does feature more than just app icons.
0:18:52I mean, in addition to icons and widgets, there's also a date.
0:18:57There's a clock there.
0:18:58There's a clock, so it's a lot more than just app icons.
0:19:02How good would it have been if they didn't put the widgets but I won it because of the
0:19:05clock?
0:19:06That would have been incredible, but thankfully you do get the widgets too.
0:19:11So we're going to talk about the iPad home screen some more later, I think.
0:19:16Are we?
0:19:17Yes.
0:19:18Now, at this point, round two, at the end of round two, we're all tied.
0:19:24So two points each.
0:19:25That's correct.
0:19:26- Correct. - We're all tied.
0:19:27And we go into the Ricky pics with a perfect tie
0:19:31and basically a catastrophe for you too, at this point.
0:19:36- How dare you?
0:19:37- Well, I mean, just look at the color in our document.
0:19:41So my Ricky pic was,
0:19:43"Reminders gets a major update,
0:19:46parentheses, how do we decide major dash on stage at WWDC
0:19:51or with the side past that,
0:19:54close parentheses, not graded,
0:19:57some features Federico would like to see.
0:19:59Now, obviously we have no way of knowing
0:20:02what features I would have liked to see
0:20:04because they're not in the document and I say things.
0:20:07We all say things. - You didn't write them down.
0:20:09There is no way of knowing.
0:20:10- They were never said, let's just go with that.
0:20:13But yes, Reminders did get a major update.
0:20:15It was on stage at WWDC.
0:20:18One of the main features of iOS and HyperS 13
0:20:20and Mac OS Carolina, the new Reminders app,
0:20:23It's got an all new design.
0:20:25It's got the smart lists at the top of the sidebar.
0:20:29You can organize your listing folders.
0:20:32There's all new natural language input,
0:20:34a bunch of stuff, attachments, subtasks.
0:20:37It's all new and it is a major update.
0:20:41It's not perfect, but I use it.
0:20:42I like it.
0:20:43So it's there.
0:20:44It came out this year.
0:20:45So that's, I would say that's a solid two points
0:20:50for the RituPIC. - It is.
0:20:51- Yeah.
0:20:52For context, it was Ricky because Reminders was basically being left without an update
0:21:01since 2013. So at the beginning of 2019, it was six years without an update. And for that
0:21:08reason we considered...
0:21:10As 2019 came along, like as we moved through from January up to June, this was an incredibly
0:21:18obvious pick but in January it was not like but leading up to WWDC everyone knew
0:21:25Reminders was getting an update because it became one of the big rumors but
0:21:28before January that was not the case right like otherwise it wouldn't have
0:21:32been Ricky right but you know so it was it was a good one it was a very good one
0:21:37I think that it was a good way to decide on like I think that we were smart and
0:21:42in hindsight by saying it being on stage could because like how do you define
0:21:47major, right? So, but I think that doing the on stage part was a, at least
0:21:55it's major to Apple. Now, Steven, what happened here?
0:22:00Steven said, first ARM Mac ships in 2019 and then we have a subclass here.
0:22:08Myke, if Steven gets this right, I will buy you one. If the Mac Pro is an ARM
0:22:13Arm Mac, I will buy you the top of the line model.
0:22:16Yes.
0:22:17Myke, I was so sure that this wasn't happening.
0:22:23I was ready to put serious money where my mouth was because top of the line would have
0:22:28been $50,000.
0:22:29That would have been incredible.
0:22:32Steven, Steven, Steven, what happened here?
0:22:35Why did you say this?
0:22:37I mean, clearly I was just premature on the Arm Mac timeline.
0:22:42So that's all there was.
0:22:43I still think it's possible.
0:22:44Sure.
0:22:45I think it's maybe even possible now in 2020, but it did not come true in 2019.
0:22:49Well, I guess in a minute we're going to find out how possible you think that is, I guess.
0:22:54That's true.
0:22:55Is it going to make an appearance again?
0:22:57Yeah.
0:22:58So I lose a point.
0:23:00So I'm back down to just one point.
0:23:04Myke said Apple releases an iPhone subscription service that bundles a device, AppleCare,
0:23:11and a selection of other Apple content services into one monthly payment.
0:23:20(Not just additional iCloud space.)
0:23:23If I remember, I was forced to go into this. It couldn't just be one service, it had to
0:23:29be a selection. I will just put to the courts at this moment that if you do get an iPhone
0:23:38on the upgrade program, you would technically get Apple TV+ for here.
0:23:46No, no, but that's true for everybody.
0:23:49I'm just saying it that that is a thing that would happen. I just wanted to say it.
0:23:54I do not think that I deserve the point, but I merely want... because I tell you boys,
0:24:00if I didn't say this, we would have got a bunch of tweets about it, right? So I wanted to just
0:24:06say it, it was a thing, it was considered, but I do not win the point. I cannot believe
0:24:13that Apple didn't do this. I'm so surprised that they have not done this. Like I am, I
0:24:18am convinced they still will, but I genuinely think one of the reasons that there was no
0:24:23bundling this year was because they were giving away the free year of TB+. I still think they
0:24:28will do bundles, but they need to wait now until people actually be buying TB+ because
0:24:33Because the majority of users right now are getting it for free, right?
0:24:37So I mean, like the majority of people that are using it, right?
0:24:40Like I know that there are more people that have iPhones than bought new iPhones, but
0:24:44I guarantee that the majority of TV+ customers are people that got it for free for a year.
0:24:50And so I reckon, I still think this will change, but it turns out that I think because of the
0:24:55free TV+ year, there was no point to bundle.
0:25:01So Myke, you and I are tied.
0:25:04We are tied.
0:25:05You know what that means?
0:25:07That means we have to do a coin flip.
0:25:08Yep.
0:25:09Do you want me to do it?
0:25:10Well, no.
0:25:11You can't be trusted because we're tied to Federico.
0:25:13I will do it and we have Siri here.
0:25:16Yeah.
0:25:17Okay.
0:25:18All right.
0:25:19Myke, I will let you pick what you want.
0:25:20Heads.
0:25:22Myke is heads.
0:25:24Okay.
0:25:25Flip a coin.
0:25:27Heads.
0:25:28We have heads?
0:25:30I win.
0:25:32Oh, just one shot? Okay.
0:25:35Oh, yeah.
0:25:37We do best out of three?
0:25:39No, why would we do that?
0:25:41We usually do.
0:25:43No we don't.
0:25:45You are thinking of the one time where we had to flip a coin over and over and over again
0:25:49because we all tied, remember?
0:25:52That was the reason you remember so many coin flips
0:25:55because I had to construct a system of coin flip knockout.
0:25:59knockout. Well, well, well, alright, so much for the year of Steven then. Last spot. In the year of Steven!
0:26:07And this is the Rickiest! On a sour note, the year of Steven! No, what it means is, 2020 is not the year of Steven. That's what that means. He had all of his success in 2019. The impeach and last!
0:26:24oh boy all right well we do have we do have our ungraded non-graded
0:26:31but can you just say it though who's the winner
0:26:36um i mean i believe there's some sort of conspiracy but federico won uh-huh congratulations
0:26:44federico nice thank you you've done that twice now in a row uh the other one i guess yeah you don't
0:26:50manage to win any other picks of any kind, but you do.
0:26:52Yeah, well, I gotta do better during the year. That's my problem. Need to be more focused.
0:26:59Especially the WWDC ones. We'll get to that.
0:27:02So non-graded extra picks. So this is split into one is unfortunately very wrong and the
0:27:11other is very true. Air Power is released, which, you know, I don't know.
0:27:18- It did the opposite of that.
0:27:20- Come on, this is where things are turning for me.
0:27:24Newer AirPods are released, so yes we did get the new.
0:27:27- You got that twice, you got two of those.
0:27:28- Twice, so it sort of cancels out the first part
0:27:33of the sentence because it happened twice.
0:27:35But these are non-graded so it doesn't matter.
0:27:37- So it doesn't matter.
0:27:38- This is gonna be your biggest regret.
0:27:42- This should have been my Ricky?
0:27:44- Yeah.
0:27:45- It should have, yeah, it would have been awesome.
0:27:47But my non-graded extra pick was that someone on Apple's executive website would leave or be fired.
0:27:55And we had Angela and Johnny.
0:27:59Yeah, I mean, the first instance happened within weeks of you making the pick.
0:28:04It was kind of incredible, really.
0:28:06Yeah, so that was that's where Year Steven came from.
0:28:09And I will always look back on it as a fond time, a time of peace and prosperity in the land.
0:28:15But now it's gone and Federico is king.
0:28:17Mm-hmm.
0:28:18Prepare for terror.
0:28:19He's the chairman now.
0:28:20Yes, I'm the chairman Ricky.
0:28:22Uh-huh.
0:28:23Well, at least for this particular instance.
0:28:25Myke, what was your extra pick?
0:28:30Over-ear headphones, i.e. head pods.
0:28:33Something like this product, we've spoken about it, does exist, which is those new beats,
0:28:37right?
0:28:38Like, they're very much like what we would have assumed the headphones to be.
0:28:43they have noise cancelling, they have the same chip that the AirPods have in them. This
0:28:48might be all that ever is now, I think, but I was hopeful that there was like Apple made,
0:28:55you know, like Apple headphones, but that seems like not the case.
0:28:59I said in my second round of extra picks, Shortcuts 3.0 is shown off at WWDC with a
0:29:05new developer framework for integration with apps, and sure enough, all of that was true.
0:29:12item, and this is very sad, I really cannot believe that it didn't happen,
0:29:16shortcuts also gets folders, which is very wrong, very much wrong, and I
0:29:24really cannot believe that folders are not in, like it doesn't make sense,
0:29:30and Airplay actions in 2019. So I got that right, we do have Airplay
0:29:38actions, you can pause speakers, you can play music, there's automations powered by shortcuts
0:29:44for AirPlay stuff. There's a bunch of AirPlay things really. Shortcuts still does not have
0:29:50full AirPlay 2 integration, like you cannot control or set playback on multiple speakers
0:29:57at once, but you know, still some basic AirPlay support is in there. So that's nice.
0:30:04I said that WWDC would introduce a multi-year plan
0:30:08to move the Mac and iOS closer.
0:30:10I think I got this right on a couple of fronts.
0:30:12We have Mac Catalyst, which allows developers of iPad apps
0:30:16to spend some time and get their app
0:30:17up and running on the Mac.
0:30:18And then ultimately long-term,
0:30:20and the move that I think matters more is SwiftUI,
0:30:23a new way to write application interfaces
0:30:26and developer stuff that will run
0:30:31across basically all of Apple's platforms,
0:30:33from the watch all the way up to the TV.
0:30:35So yeah, I feel like this one was answered
0:30:39kind of twice over.
0:30:40We'll see how any of that pans out, right?
0:30:42Still early days, but at least they,
0:30:45I think they've pointed at developers in the right direction.
0:30:48- My last pick is one, I should have had this as my Ricky,
0:30:50'cause I was very confident in it,
0:30:52but nobody believed that it would happen except me.
0:30:54The 2019 iPhones would start at a lower price
0:30:57than the 2018 iPhones.
0:30:59- What's the context on these ones?
0:31:01On this one, the people were complaining
0:31:03about the fact that the 2018 iPhones were too expensive.
0:31:06- Yeah, the XR was pricey, and I mean,
0:31:10so I think you won this just by the sheer fact
0:31:12that the 11 is cheaper than the XR was,
0:31:15but also last year, if you remember,
0:31:17Apple was still sort of pitching the XS as the default,
0:31:20like, oh, there's also the XR if you want it,
0:31:22and it turned out that the XR sold better,
0:31:25and now with the 11, they've sort of refactored
0:31:27their marketing, so the 11 is the iPhone,
0:31:30and if you want extra stuff, you can upgrade.
0:31:32So I think you got it right sort of in fact and feeling.
0:31:36Yeah, because the reason that I was feeling strong on this was that Apple had
0:31:41had their bad year of iPhone sales, right?
0:31:44These things have started to decline.
0:31:45And one of the reasons of being said was the price change.
0:31:48So they started doing all that stuff around like aggressively trying to get
0:31:54deals for people.
0:31:55And I figured that it made just logical sense to bring the starting price down a
0:32:00little bit as a way to try and calm some some price conscious problems. All in all
0:32:06I think we did a pretty solid job at predicting what 2019 would hold like
0:32:10yeah two of us got our Ricky's wrong but like there's a lot of green in this
0:32:14Google Doc. Yeah I think we did a decent job. Yeah better than we did at WWDC. Oh
0:32:19yeah that's always a tragedy basically. Where everyone had zero points. That was
0:32:25rough. But yeah, so good job everybody. Congratulations Federico. Thank you. I hope that you enjoy
0:32:31another year of being the chairman Ricky of the annual Ricky's. See, this is what happens
0:32:37when you two do not conspire against me. You know, a fair and balanced game. That's what
0:32:43people like. I would like any proof, just like a shred of evidence that this is happening.
0:32:48If you can provide that, then maybe we can have a conversation. That's, you know, you
0:32:52You are derating the conversation here.
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0:34:43I would like to take this moment to review all of the victories that have occurred over
0:34:50the last year for no particular reason than to say we had five sets of predictions throughout
0:34:59the year and Jaboy over here won three of them.
0:35:04Who?
0:35:05Me.
0:35:06Oh.
0:35:07And Federico lost all of them except this one.
0:35:10Right.
0:35:11He just wants to publicly demonstrate what I was just talking about.
0:35:17The fact that I am better at predictions than you?
0:35:19In the year when I take my eye off the ball, conspiracy happens. This is proof of that.
0:35:25What you just said is it's your own fault. You just said it's your own fault. You said
0:35:29you took your eye off the ball. You said that. So I didn't tell you to take your eye off
0:35:33the ball. You did it.
0:35:34I did not say that. It was a temporary taking the eye off. It was like a temporary distraction,
0:35:39you know? The conspiracy now that sticks around. That's permanent, right? And that's the problem.
0:35:45Mm-hmm. See, throughout the entire year, I've also never come last.
0:35:49Well that's father proof. Just buy a coin toss this time.
0:35:51It doesn't matter. Just continue to incriminate yourself.
0:35:54I also won all of WWDC by coin tosses, but you know, that's the rules that we decided.
0:35:59That's not a victory. That's just fortune. You're very fortunate.
0:36:03Gambling. Yes, you get a gambling. You should get a Vegas,
0:36:07not a WWDC. Whoever won WWDC won by fortune, right? No
0:36:10matter what happened. But I won two other sets of predictions based on my big brain
0:36:15and intellect, which was the March media event and the audio
0:36:18It is your very big brain that I cleared up both of those. I won the September iPhone event
0:36:24I feel like that's yeah, that's a very important event. So I'm proud of that victory
0:36:28It doesn't really take the sting out of coming last in the annual predictions, but I'll hold my head high for September
0:36:35So I'm just gonna say was Federico may have won the 2019 annual predictions
0:36:40That is why I call myself King Ricky for the year because I won the majority of the Ricky's
0:36:48monarchy much Myke? Yeah how's that working out? Great actually. Yeah well he doesn't have a point.
0:36:55Our monarchy is fine there's no problem with the monarchy that's the one part of this country that
0:36:59is running okay. All right so it is time to lay our cards on the table for 2020 and Federico since
0:37:06you just won you get to go first. All right this will be fun so this may as well so here's a
0:37:17question. We are recording this before the end of 2019. Right.
0:37:23That's true. And thanks to the magic of podcasting, it'll be out at the very beginning of 2020.
0:37:28Now, January 1st.
0:37:29What happens if what I'm about to say takes place before nothing like you?
0:37:36You win the point. Like I get the point. Anything we are doing it now.
0:37:39We are committing it now to audio. All right.
0:37:42The three of us will agree on it. Right. Like if it happens tomorrow, it just happens tomorrow.
0:37:46- Okay, okay, perfect. - I agree with that.
0:37:49- Perfect, so my first big prediction is--
0:37:52- Unless you cheated.
0:37:54- How, how am I supposed to--
0:37:55- I don't know, maybe you got a press release?
0:37:57- No, no. - Yeah, you're ahead of us
0:37:59in time zones, do you know something we can hope
0:38:01we don't know yet? - No, that's not how it works.
0:38:03Even Apple is based in the US.
0:38:06So, you know, press releases come out in the USA.
0:38:10Also, I should say I have absolutely no insight knowledge
0:38:15this. I have no idea what is going on. I know it's something that in theory is supposed
0:38:19to happen, and that is why it is my prediction. So, Apple will name a successor to Steve Dowling,
0:38:27former head of PR at Apple. I just want to state, this is the most boring
0:38:32pick of any pick we have ever done. So what?
0:38:36I just want to say, there is no problem in that. I just wanted to say it.
0:38:40This is a person that used to be on the Apple leadership page, you know, with all the other
0:38:45executives. I don't know what the correct title is. I'm guessing VP of communications,
0:38:51maybe? I don't know.
0:38:54I would like, personally, just saying, some clarification around how we score this. What
0:39:01I would want is how this person is named. How does the world find out about this header
0:39:08PR?
0:39:09known publicly. So whether Apple announces it with a press release or
0:39:14puts a new face on the website or a report from Bloomberg or some other
0:39:20publication comes out saying this is the executive now in charge, this is the
0:39:23person now in charge of Apple PR, and other journalists can corroborate their
0:39:27information and it becomes known that that person is indeed the head of Apple
0:39:32PR. And I mean, if you just go to any Apple event you will see the person in
0:39:36of Apple PR. It's a person usually next to the CEO, that kind of stuff. So it becomes
0:39:43well known that a new person has been appointed as a head of Apple PR. I just think that it's
0:39:50something that has to happen because I believe when Steve Dowling resigned from Apple months
0:39:56ago, and I mean at this very moment, Apple is still sort of using Phil Schiller as a
0:40:02fill in for this job. So I just think it needs to happen, you know. What do you guys think?
0:40:11Does that criteria make sense? Like we just get to know at some point? So I have, I have
0:40:16named, I've written it down thusly, either named by Apple officially or is reported by
0:40:24more than one outlet that a person has been appointed. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Cool.
0:40:31I think that works.
0:40:32I mean, this one does feel, I mean obviously the first two rounds, these are picks that
0:40:36can just be givens, right?
0:40:38Like these are just like free for all.
0:40:39We get in there first and whoever gets their picks in there first, sort of technically
0:40:42Federico, if he wanted to take either mine or Steven's pick, he can do that as the person,
0:40:48as the winner, because he is essentially can pick first, right?
0:40:52That's the way it will go.
0:40:53But like Federico made his picks the way he made them.
0:40:56These are not Ricky's, right?
0:40:58So they can be things that would seem completely obvious.
0:41:02In fact if we're playing the game right, all of these things in rounds 1 and 2 should be
0:41:07obvious to all of us.
0:41:08If anyone is going "really?" then maybe we've picked incorrectly.
0:41:12I mean I have questions about your next pick, but okay.
0:41:15Really?
0:41:16Okay.
0:41:17My pick is that the 2020 iPhone line will feature at least one 5G phone.
0:41:23Nope.
0:41:24What?
0:41:25No?
0:41:26You think he knows?
0:41:27near ready like yes it is no yes it is it's totally funny you know that like t-mobile
0:41:33have rolled 5g out along all of america no one a no one's on t-mobile but it doesn't
0:41:39matter and it's it's not even the good 5g like it's it's but i'm not saying what kind
0:41:44of 5g like you you don't think that a 2020 iphone will at least be 5g compatible no please
0:41:50make a note steven is highly skeptical of this please add it to the document no i don't
0:41:55make that note 5g really isn't I mean yes there's T-mobile but the good 5g is
0:41:59not here and that they're a minor carrier - I guess the good thing is
0:42:02America is the only country in the world right - Apple is never early on
0:42:08networking stuff yeah and they would be very late there are like every
0:42:13competitor has 5g phones available yeah but no one but no one buys it because of
0:42:18reason number one no one's buying the Samsung one no one's buying the one plus
0:42:21one you in America people are buying them in Europe 5g exists in Europe how
0:42:28why how widespread is 5g in Europe Myke very much so in the United Kingdom 5g is
0:42:36turned on a lot of places in the entire city of London there is coverage oh my
0:42:40once I'm my current plan already has 5g and I'm not using it and he was given to
0:42:46to me for free by my carrier.
0:42:49- Apple is slow to these things.
0:42:51Number three, all the chip sets that we've seen so far
0:42:55are run really hot and very power hungry.
0:42:58- That's your best point in this discussion.
0:43:01- All right, let me just say,
0:43:01'cause it was not just one city, London, Birmingham,
0:43:04Manchester, Bristol, Leicester, Edinburgh,
0:43:06Belfast, Cardiff, Coventry.
0:43:08They are the biggest cities in--
0:43:10- Those places are all, you could've made up half of those.
0:43:12- Do you want the coverage checker that I just looked at?
0:43:15Every phone that has this is enormous and hot,
0:43:18bad battery life.
0:43:19So the question is, do we believe in nine months
0:43:21that either Qualcomm and or Apple's now owned Intel
0:43:25like chip team are going to have a 5G chip
0:43:30that Apple wants to use and they can make them
0:43:33in enough numbers to support an iPhone.
0:43:35Remember, this past year we got an additional
0:43:37four to five hours of battery life across the iPhone range.
0:43:40I don't think Apple can eat into that a year later.
0:43:42So like unless they have some like magic wizardry up their sleeves.
0:43:46When LTE was introduced, Apple said it made battery life worth
0:43:51and you could choose to turn it off.
0:43:53I just I don't I don't.
0:43:54They did the stated that with 3G, they did it with LTE.
0:43:57They could do it again with 5G.
0:43:58I'm a skeptic. I'm a 5G skeptic.
0:43:59I'm not saying I'm like super like, as Tim would say, bullish on 5G as a thing.
0:44:05Please don't use the word.
0:44:05But I just think that 2020 will be the year that Apple goes to 5G.
0:44:09What was bullish again?
0:44:11bullish means like that bullish is like you're excited you hit up with the bull horns right and
0:44:16bear is like you attack down right so bearish is not good so bullish is good i love it this
0:44:22doesn't make sense you still attack though so do you attack but it bears attack downwards and and
0:44:28bulls attack upwards who says that attacking downwards is bad and upwards is good no but
0:44:34it's just merely to indicate up and down it's not about the i've i've confused things we've been
0:44:39talking about attacking so much but like yeah bullish is up bearish is down. Yeah we've had
0:44:45this exact conversation before. Many times. Okay so I have a question you say at least one 5G phone
0:44:52so like how in your mind how do you see Apple doing this? That at least one iPhone supports 5G
0:44:57like you can buy an iPhone with 5G. Is it cost more than the regular LTE phones? Could do probably
0:45:02but it's not going in my pick. Is it just or is like just the max has 5G and the others don't?
0:45:07like, I mean, you have you have some idea here, I'm sure. My idea would be that if the if it's
0:45:12not all of them, it will be like one of them, right? That like, it's probably the max, right?
0:45:18But this isn't going in my pick. It's just my thing. Of course, they don't introduce it to the
0:45:22entire line. I believe that there will be a phone that has it that the 11 to 12 or whatever places
0:45:28the 11 I do not think will have 5g. Right? I think that that will be not in that line.
0:45:33it will be in the pro line. So the iPhone 11s pro max 5G. Sure, but I don't think Apple will
0:45:40put 5G in the name. I don't know about that. Never bet against a good naming decision from Apple.
0:45:45You know what, actually I'm just changing, if they get the ability to make the naming
0:45:50more confusing they will take it, so they probably will do that. I'm putting in iPhone 11s
0:46:00Pro Max 5G.
0:46:03That's a terrible name.
0:46:04But if you're correct, my word.
0:46:07It's the iPhone 11S Pro Max 5G.
0:46:10Yeah. I just want to just Federico, you you think that I'm right on this one, right?
0:46:15Yes, I think you are.
0:46:16Cool. I just wanted to have because Steven is so skeptical, I don't want to be the crazy one.
0:46:21Right. So I just wanted to make sure at this point that even if I'm wrong, I'm not wrong.
0:46:26No, no, no. I think it'll happen.
0:46:27I think lots of Android phones have 5G at this point.
0:46:31It's very--
0:46:32- No, like three Android phones have 5G.
0:46:34- It's widespread in all major European cities
0:46:39and elsewhere.
0:46:40I believe in Asia too.
0:46:42The rollout is going well.
0:46:44So like this is the classic case
0:46:46of American exceptionalism.
0:46:48They do not, because it's not good in America,
0:46:50therefore it's not good anywhere else.
0:46:52But we'll see how this goes.
0:46:53Maybe for once you guys will be right.
0:46:56I want to just say, like, when LTE, like 4G came around, it was the same deal.
0:47:02It was very good in Europe and not good in America.
0:47:05Yes.
0:47:06But Apple still moved to it.
0:47:07Of all people, Steven, you should know your history.
0:47:09That was a much more tumultuous pick than I was expecting.
0:47:13I was not expecting we would talk about that for so long.
0:47:17It was fun, though.
0:47:18It was fun.
0:47:19All right, well, let me settle it down a little bit.
0:47:20And I think this is one we can, most people can probably agree on, is that we will see
0:47:25a 14 inch MacBook Pro.
0:47:27In short, the 13 inch MacBook Pro will get the 16 inch MacBook treatment
0:47:31and be a little bit bigger.
0:47:32Well, so here is the question you ask.
0:47:35You are making this pic that the screen gets bigger, right?
0:47:39That that is the actual pic.
0:47:41I'm not saying it'll be 14.0 inches, but I'm saying that it will get a larger
0:47:45screen. OK. I mean, you can call.
0:47:48I am just surprised that the.
0:47:52I'm not surprised actually. I am like questioning now if they will actually make the screen
0:47:58bigger or if they'll just make the changes to it.
0:48:01So I've got some reasons to this. One, I think that they would like to make the 13-inch MacBook
0:48:06Pro more powerful and to do that basically you've got to make it bigger.
0:48:11Like, you want to make the whole thing physically bigger, is what you mean?
0:48:15Right. So you can manage the better cooling because the 13-inch MacBook Pro just has the
0:48:19the integrated Intel graphics.
0:48:21It's, I think, topped out at six cores right now.
0:48:24And honestly, the 13-inch MacBook Pros runs pretty hot now.
0:48:28And I think they would want to apply the cooling system
0:48:31that's in the 16-inch, adapt that to that smaller form factor.
0:48:35And I think it makes sense for Apple to have a bigger divide
0:48:39between the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro.
0:48:41- This is why I would assume it would happen,
0:48:44is for that reason.
0:48:45that there needs to be more of even a visual differentiation
0:48:50between those two computers and a bigger screen would do it.
0:48:54- 'Cause they're pretty similar.
0:48:55In footprint, they're exactly the same.
0:48:57And in weight, they're pretty close.
0:48:59But side by side, they look just one has a touch bar
0:49:04and one doesn't, basically.
0:49:05So I think it makes sense for them
0:49:07to have a little distance between those machines.
0:49:10So yeah, 13-inch MacBook Pro will gain a larger screen,
0:49:13is the wording that I'm choosing.
0:49:16- I think that's a good thing to have worded it that way
0:49:18in case it gets to like 13.9.
0:49:21- Right, because honestly that if they do,
0:49:24the 15 inch was already, was 15.4 to 16,
0:49:28and so this actually would be 13.9 inches
0:49:30if they sort of keep it all in proportion.
0:49:33So we would call it the 14 inch MacBook Pro,
0:49:35just like we round, it's stupid,
0:49:38like some products names get rounded down and some get up.
0:49:41the 11-inch MacBook Air was really 11.6 inches, but... Well, unless it's an iPad, which we refuse to
0:49:47round, and it's just a 12.9-inch iPad Pro. I hate that. I hate that. Which is really a 13-inch iPad
0:49:55Pro, you know, so... I wish they would just call it the 13-inch iPad Pro, it would be so much easier.
0:49:58It's very confusing. So I think that 13-inch MacBook Pro will get a little bigger in 2020.
0:50:04It's gonna buff up. All right, so that's round one. So my pick for round two is the following.
0:50:10at least one of the 2020 iPhones will have a higher refresh rate display,
0:50:16what we've come to know as promotion on the iPad Pro. I don't know if Apple will reuse
0:50:22the same promotion name, it'd be weird if they didn't. I just think they've got to.
0:50:27Yeah, they have to.
0:50:28Well, unless they want to call it like the super hyper retina fast display.
0:50:32Sure, exactly.
0:50:33Which I would actually think they would be more likely to do that. Yeah, 5G.
0:50:37The iPhone 11s Pro Max 5G with the super high fast retina display.
0:50:42That to me seems very likely.
0:50:45I just think that at least one of the new phones, and I mean, this is just my personal
0:50:50theory, really the iPhone's Pro should have it, because it's right there, it's a Pro feature,
0:50:56it should be on a Pro phone, at least one of them will have a higher refresh rate display.
0:51:01We were expecting this feature in the 2019 iPhones, I think it's time that Apple make
0:51:06this a feature of an iPhone in 2020? Yep, it feels like it's starting to become table
0:51:13stakes for a phone now. I think we do this a lot on this show, I think it's valid but
0:51:22I don't understand why people think it might not be, it's like comparing what Android phones
0:51:26are doing. But I think history has shown that if something really catches on in the Android
0:51:32market and it doesn't go away, Apple will try and find some way to do a version of that
0:51:37thing.
0:51:38Right, like with the key one of these being larger screens, right, that like Apple got
0:51:44there eventually.
0:51:45And I think that this one, there is so much smoke around this one in the fact that Apple
0:51:50already believes that this is a thing that should exist because they already sell an
0:51:54iOS device that has this feature, that it seems wild that they would not do this for
0:51:59the iPhone.
0:52:00I am pretty on board with this because I would have waged that they would have done it in
0:52:052019.
0:52:06So I think this one makes a lot of sense.
0:52:09All right.
0:52:10I agree.
0:52:11It seems like it's time.
0:52:12All right.
0:52:13Definitely.
0:52:14How about you, Myke?
0:52:15The iPad Pro line is updated before the iPhone of a hardware feature that's new to iOS.
0:52:21So can you clarify here?
0:52:24Two things.
0:52:25A hardware feature and that's new to iOS.
0:52:28I mean, iPad runs iPadOS now, but what you mean is a feature...
0:52:33Basically, it's that the iPhone doesn't have before the iPhone gets it.
0:52:37Right, got it. So your phrasing is correct. OK, yes.
0:52:41That's why I said it that way, because I kind of just...
0:52:44It just seemed like the easiest way to say it.
0:52:46But yeah, so I'm basically bouncing on rumors that have been going around for a while
0:52:50that the iPad Pro is going to get a new camera module that includes the 3D sensing camera thing.
0:52:58right? That can be better for AR before the iPhone gets it. I think it makes sense that
0:53:04they would, Apple would want to have this hardware, if it's meant to be that much better
0:53:08for AR, right? That it can do like the 3D, is it called time of flight? Is that what
0:53:12those sensors called?
0:53:13Yeah, I think so.
0:53:14Yeah.
0:53:15Right. That they would want to have this available to developers before it comes to the iPhone.
0:53:20So when it, when the iPhone debuts of this feature, it's, it's, you know, it's more prevalent.
0:53:26I do feel like at least an iPad Pro is going to get updated before the iPhone this year.
0:53:33I don't know if they will do both of them, right?
0:53:35But I feel like that is likely to happen before September.
0:53:40And if they do it, and they've got this new camera module, and it's going to have these
0:53:44new sensors that they want to have in the devices going forward, it would make sense
0:53:48to do it here first, especially because it's not that exciting that you're ruining a feature
0:53:54of the iPhone by putting it in the iPad first. Right? It's, you know, like, for example,
0:54:00if Face ID had come to the iPad first, it would have been like, oh, you've like taken
0:54:04the wind out of the iPhone sales, but a time of flight sensor in the camera module is like,
0:54:09you're not going to like upset people that the iPad gets it beforehand. And there really
0:54:15is only upside to doing this by being able to put this technology in developers hands
0:54:19before the iPhone gets it.
0:54:20Yeah. I mean, we talked about this before. I think it makes sense, especially in the
0:54:23context of if it's a technology that requires developer support you can talk
0:54:28about it at WWDC, you can have sessions and you can have developers prepare and
0:54:32actually write code and know how it's going to work and suddenly, magically in
0:54:37September when the new iPhones also have the same camera developers already know
0:54:41what to expect in terms of adoption. But I've learned from pics in the past and I
0:54:46didn't talk about the specific sensor that I'm referring to in my pic. On the
0:54:53off chance that it is something that is new to the iPad Pro before the iPhone gets it.
0:54:58Right. No, I get it.
0:55:00So like, depending on how charitable my co-hosts are, any new iPad Pro hardware feature could
0:55:08get me this pick, right?
0:55:09You've left it pretty vague.
0:55:10I just wanted to say that now. Like, for example, if the Apple Pencil had never existed, I would
0:55:16technically win that pick, right? If the Apple Pencil never existed and the Apple Pencil
0:55:20existed, then I would win the pick.
0:55:22go. Steven, yes. Is this specific enough for you? You have to whisper so we can't hear you.
0:55:28Well, so here's... We're not whispering. I can hear you.
0:55:34This is the worst kind of ASMR. It's also terrible for anybody that uses
0:55:41silent skipping or smart speed. So choose through your sentences.
0:55:45Okay, it's a good pick in the context of it's something that we can re-evaluate at the end of
0:55:52of the year because it depends on the iPhone, the new iPhones getting released.
0:55:57But now I think so here's my problem.
0:56:01I don't think if a new iPad only accessory comes out, this should qualify
0:56:07because you...
0:56:09I think we can specify this too with an addendum of provided that this feature is
0:56:14not very clearly iPad only.
0:56:16Right. So like, well, the examples that I'm using, like with the Apple Pencil,
0:56:22and the smart keyboard, right? Like we could have said that's not coming to the iPhone.
0:56:25Right, yeah. Well, so maybe we could word it that way, but what if we said something
0:56:32that doesn't show up in the 2020 iPhones? No, I don't want that pic to be that way.
0:56:39Because like for example, but for example, promotion, when that came out, everyone assumed
0:56:45the iPhone would get it. Yeah, but we can really grade it. That's the point. We can
0:56:50- We can grade it, of course we can grade it.
0:56:51- No, because what if like the iPad Pro gets mini LED, right?
0:56:56But the 2020 iPhone doesn't, but the iPhone gets it in 2021.
0:57:02There's no way that we--
0:57:03- Right, but you see mini LED, I would say,
0:57:05but in my way, I'm thinking about this, that counts,
0:57:08'cause we all know that the iPhone's gonna get that.
0:57:11- Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
0:57:11That is where it's too wishy-washy,
0:57:13because we can't, that's like a second,
0:57:16you're basically creating a secondary, like internal pick.
0:57:19- Well, I could say then, I could refine the entire pic
0:57:22to say the iPad Pro line is updated before the iPhone
0:57:24with a hardware feature that could conceivably
0:57:26come to the iPhone.
0:57:27- Or a hardware feature that is not on any current iPhone.
0:57:33- Yeah, okay.
0:57:36- Does that work?
0:57:37- Yeah, I'm happy with that.
0:57:38- And then by the time we grade this in one year,
0:57:41that will include the new iPhone.
0:57:42So I think that works on both sides.
0:57:44- Yeah.
0:57:45- Yep, I love that.
0:57:46- Okay. - Thank you.
0:57:48So by the time we've created the next year,
0:57:50if the iPad Pro was updated in June 2020,
0:57:53with the feature that is also in the 2020 iPhone,
0:57:57it's still got it before the new iPhones.
0:57:59So it still counts.
0:58:00Okay. - Yeah.
0:58:01- That was pro Ricky work there.
0:58:05- It took us a minute to get there,
0:58:06but I think we got there.
0:58:07- Yeah, but no, we've really refined that
0:58:09and made it a much better picture
0:58:11than it was even originally.
0:58:12- All right. - Very good job.
0:58:13- I'm gonna go to the Apple service as well,
0:58:16which I found really interesting
0:58:18that neither of you picked anything so far
0:58:20with Apple services.
0:58:21- I thought about it and then I decided
0:58:22that it was too risky.
0:58:24- I'm gonna say that Apple will launch
0:58:26its own podcast content.
0:58:27- So on the one hand, I think you may be right
0:58:33because podcast content takes less time
0:58:38and money to produce-- - Whoa!
0:58:39- Well, hold on.
0:58:40(laughing)
0:58:41To produce something like C? - To produce
0:58:42the morning show is easier.
0:58:43- Yes, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
0:58:44- I mean, you look at C, right?
0:58:45Like, God knows how many million dollars
0:58:47Conceivably a show, any podcast is cheaper than the most expensive television show of all time.
0:58:53I don't think there will be people using a cheap USB microphone from Amazon
0:58:57recording Apple Originals in Cupertino.
0:58:59They will use Beats headphones though.
0:59:01Sure, still though. So here's my problem. On the one hand, I think the time frame makes sense,
0:59:08but also Apple is kind of slow with these things. They don't rush things and they're
0:59:16still hiring people now. So they can make it happen, but I think if you get this point,
0:59:24you will get it in the fall of 2020.
0:59:26Yeah, I mean, because like the funny thing, you say like they're still hiring people now.
0:59:30They are hiring people. We don't know what those people are being hired for. People are
0:59:35guessing what these people are being hired for based on track records.
0:59:39And that's just the people we know about, right? If you have some sort of content deal
0:59:43with Apple, that may be private until their stuff is out, right?
0:59:46So I think it just makes, I think it makes sense.
0:59:49I think it fits with the rest of what they're doing.
0:59:51I am putting no qualifiers on this if they're paid or free, if they're Apple podcasts only,
0:59:58if they're actually podcasts with RSS feeds, I'm saying nothing about any of that at this
1:00:02time, just that they will have their own content.
1:00:06So I guess the way that we will judge is that Apple announces here is this, okay, wait,
1:00:12Oprah
1:00:13You're putting a qualifier that I'm not Oprah's already announced that this that she would yes the deal
1:00:19Is that true that Apple did with Oprah includes podcasts? Are you sure?
1:00:24It includes any type of content. Okay, right, so I will say
1:00:28Beyond
1:00:31Oprah because that the Oprah deal is like
1:00:34Overarching for everything if she makes a paper airplane Apple gets rights to it. So yes, okay, so that's fair
1:00:41Okay, I think I remember yeah, so I'm not up on my Oprah content deals
1:00:46opera on the Oprah
1:00:49Okay, so yeah just to confirm this one. It's like any any content that is coming from Apple
1:00:56It said to be that they promote as such
1:00:59Is a new show a new podcast?
1:01:01Consumed in any way that podcasts can be consumed whoever that's on Apple's own service or widely available. That's cool
1:01:10I'm cool with that. Cool. Okay. Well, that is round one. And round two, we've had some
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1:02:43It's time for the Ricky picks and I will remind our listeners that as you have seen
1:02:48from just today's grading, the picks can come down to the Ricky's. You can do as
1:02:52well as you like in round one and two. But if you get your Ricky wrong, it can spell
1:02:58game over for you.
1:02:59They very often come down to the Ricky's.
1:03:01It pretty much always comes down to the Ricky's. If you don't get your Ricky right, you can't
1:03:05win. Unless everybody loses. And then the coin rules out amongst everything. We should
1:03:14make coins. But anyway, we should make Ricky coins. Write that down. Someone has to write
1:03:18that down. Ricky coins?
1:03:19Special Ricky coins.
1:03:21Come on, at this point, isn't that a great merchandise idea? The official Ricky coin?
1:03:27Can we use the likeness of somebody called Ricky on this merchandise?
1:03:31We'll see.
1:03:33Will anyone?
1:03:35That feels like a lot of weight to put on this individual person.
1:03:40I know, but it's for the greater good. Anyway.
1:03:42No, I mean like that, anyway, we're giving away a lot of branding space to this one person
1:03:47called Ricky.
1:03:48I know.
1:03:49What if the name's Richard? I mean, it's not a Ricky.
1:03:51Well, it needs to be known as Ricky.
1:03:54We could call them then the Richard Pichit.
1:03:57Anyway, so Federico, can you please tell us your Ricky for the entire year of 2020?
1:04:05I will probably need help with phrasing here, but here's what my Ricky pic is.
1:04:12I believe Apple will release at least one new Pro app.
1:04:20new Pro application for iPad that we haven't previously seen on the platform.
1:04:28So what does Pro App mean?
1:04:29Okay, so this is where I need help.
1:04:33Well, first there's the sort of "we'll know it when we see it" kind of rule.
1:04:40Like if a new version of Clips comes out, I don't think we will consider that a Pro
1:04:47App.
1:04:48No, that's not new on the platform.
1:04:49- And it's also not a new on the part,
1:04:50but like something along those lines,
1:04:52like a new, you know, like utility, like clips,
1:04:57like maybe you can make, well,
1:04:58they used to exist like holiday cards.
1:05:00That used to be a thing, but that's not a pro app, right?
1:05:04Something that is widely accepted to be a professional tool.
1:05:08- Well, the easy ones are Xcode Final Cut Logic.
1:05:11- The easy ones are those three.
1:05:14- We know those, right?
1:05:15Like that's given.
1:05:16if a new version of Swift Playgrounds comes out, doesn't count because we already have
1:05:21Swift Playgrounds.
1:05:24But something for Swift UI maybe?
1:05:26Something for Swift UI should be considered a pro app. So anything that...
1:05:31Well, here's the question. Swift Playgrounds, a pro app? I don't think it was pitched as
1:05:36a professional application.
1:05:37Well, I mean, that's debatable though. Like you can run actual code and like...
1:05:42Right, but that wasn't what Apple told you you could do.
1:05:45Apple called it educational, right?
1:05:47Yeah, and I wouldn't call that.
1:05:49I wouldn't...
1:05:50With the way it was shown off, Swift Playgrounds was not a professional app, it was an educational
1:05:54tool.
1:05:55Agreed.
1:05:56But then Steve Charlton Smith...
1:05:57It's like, would we call, I don't know, News Plus a pro app?
1:06:01He dug in there and found some stuff.
1:06:03Alright.
1:06:04Well, again, as I said, this should be widely accepted to be a pro app in that case.
1:06:09I mean, if it's Logic or Final Cut or Xcode...
1:06:13Yeah.
1:06:14Yeah. But yeah, if it's a new app that we haven't, like, that we've never seen, that
1:06:18will have to be discussed. Like, is that...
1:06:21And I guess professional apps, like, a really easy qualifier is, like, they are used to
1:06:26produce work-based materials.
1:06:29Yeah. But also...
1:06:30Like, that's an easy one.
1:06:32Another potential issue here is what happens if Apple releases, like, a watered-down version
1:06:40of those three existing Pro apps.
1:06:42And I believe even if they don't have all the features of Logic Pro X.
1:06:48I don't think that we can we should judge some features.
1:06:52So if Apple release a version of Logic, but strip out half of the stuff,
1:06:56it doesn't matter.
1:06:57Like they released what is considered a professional application on the platform.
1:07:01Yeah.
1:07:02We can criticize it as much as we want.
1:07:04Right. It's like nobody like when when Apple went from Logic
1:07:087 to Logic Pro, people had complaints about it, but we all knew, and Final Cut, sorry,
1:07:14but we all knew it was Final Cut, right? Like it was still a version of Final Cut, it just
1:07:17wasn't what people wanted.
1:07:19Right. So, yeah, if Apple already sees either one of those three that we haven't seen on
1:07:27iPad before, or something new comes out that is still widely considered to be a Pro app,
1:07:35needs to happen on iPad. So if Apple only brings out logic and for some reason
1:07:40it's only on the iPhone, this doesn't count. It needs to be on the iPad. It
1:07:45doesn't have to be... Xcode for iPod touch. It doesn't have to be iPad only, so
1:07:50here's what I also want to specify. It can be universal, but it needs to be on the
1:07:54iPad. This one might be difficult to judge, but I am happy with where it is
1:07:58in your pick, but this one might take a bit of voting to get right. I agree
1:08:05with Federico, I think between the three of us,
1:08:07we could answer the question if an app is pro or not.
1:08:10So I like this pick, Federico, because I saw this
1:08:14and viewed it as risky because Apple has really done nothing
1:08:17as far as pro apps on the iPad.
1:08:18So it'd be a good time to start.
1:08:21- Yeah, but I think it's something they're also aware of.
1:08:24And I don't know if Apple is in a position
1:08:27where they wanna concede this space
1:08:29to third-party developers.
1:08:31So I think it's about time that they sort of jump
1:08:33into this market.
1:08:34So I don't know, we'll see.
1:08:36As I get closer to reading out my pic, I feel less confident in it.
1:08:41But it's too late now.
1:08:44My Ricky is that the notch on the iPhone will get physically smaller in the 2020 iPhone line.
1:08:50Okay, so the first part of the sentence is okay.
1:08:54I want you to specify in the 2020 iPhone line.
1:08:58What does that mean?
1:08:59One of the phones will have a smaller notch.
1:09:01of the 2020 iPhones will have a smaller notch. It doesn't matter if it's like the new SE
1:09:11and for some reason it's got a smaller notch, you will still get the point, right?
1:09:15Well, the SE doesn't have a notch.
1:09:17Well, what do you know?
1:09:18We don't know that. I mean, there's a new one.
1:09:20Oh, okay.
1:09:21Right? Like if there's a new-
1:09:22Yeah, I'm gonna go with that.
1:09:23Okay.
1:09:24There is an iPhone that has a smaller notch.
1:09:26There is a new iPhone in 2020 with a smaller notch.
1:09:29than any phone that we currently have.
1:09:31- Okay. - Yeah.
1:09:32- Okay. - Right?
1:09:32- Okay.
1:09:33That feels risky.
1:09:34- That's very risky, Myke.
1:09:36- Do you wanna know why I'm,
1:09:37I mean, you probably guess it,
1:09:38but do you wanna know why I'm making this bet?
1:09:40- Because all other Android phones are making it smaller.
1:09:44- Well, it's just that the thinking is,
1:09:46the perceived thinking is that the next iPhone
1:09:49will feature a new hardware design.
1:09:51And I think one of the things that Apple should do
1:09:55is try and over time make the notch smaller anyway.
1:09:59So if they do something to make it smaller, that would be great.
1:10:04The other thing is, thank you for pointing this out,
1:10:07if the SE does take the iPhone X design, we believe it will not have Face ID so
1:10:14it in theory does not need to have a notch as large. It will still have one
1:10:18because I think Apple will want it to still have one, but it won't need to be
1:10:22is large and from what I understand about the way apps are designed these days the notch
1:10:27can kind of be any size anyway because you're not supposed to put anything up there so it
1:10:32doesn't really matter so I don't know that's my thinking we'll see but I think that it
1:10:37will be if Apple really wants to like that if the reason they're redesigning the iPhone
1:10:42for 2020 is to excite people again about the iPhone making the notch smaller would help
1:10:50that I think it would make the existing phones look old immediately and that's a
1:10:55powerful thing man that's that's bold Myke I might need to get the old calipers
1:11:00out on this one but I am leaning into this Apple podcast business my Ricky
1:11:07pic is that the Apple podcast app will launch on Android this is potentially
1:11:12the least Ricky of the three but it is still Ricky yeah I think because there
1:11:17is a lot of stuff that has to happen before this happens. Like what? Well Apple
1:11:22has to one have their own original podcast this year. That's not part of
1:11:26this Ricky. I'm just saying the app will launch on Android. No I'm just saying
1:11:29like in my thinking, and you're thinking part of the Ricky, like for Apple to do
1:11:34this right they would need original content there would need to be a reason
1:11:37to do it in which they haven't already done it before. And original content
1:11:40would be the obvious reason. Yeah I agree I agree with that yeah yeah. But even
1:11:45Even more than that, the original content has to only be available in the Apple podcast
1:11:49app because otherwise they don't need to launch the Apple podcast app on Android if you can
1:11:53get the podcasts anywhere.
1:11:55And I think the main reason is they have to have a reason to want to charge you because
1:11:59otherwise what's the point?
1:12:00So that's my thinking.
1:12:01There are a few things that have to happen for this to happen.
1:12:05The fact that you can now get Apple podcasts in the Amazon Echo leans in your favour a
1:12:10little bit on this one.
1:12:12But still, to launch it on the Echo before Android phones is a weird thing to do if you're
1:12:17going to do it.
1:12:19They launched there the same day Spotify did, and Apple's number one competitor in the podcast
1:12:26market share is Spotify.
1:12:29And Spotify is on Android, obviously, and you have some Android clients, and we have
1:12:33friends who make them, and there's some good options on Android.
1:12:36But I think that I agree with you that this, if Apple does their own content, this is far
1:12:42more likely.
1:12:44But I can also just see a world where Apple wants to retain its dominance over the podcast
1:12:50market.
1:12:52And Spotify is growing quickly.
1:12:56And on Android, there's no one to cap their growth.
1:12:58And Apple's the only one who could.
1:13:00And so maybe they would do it just defensively against Spotify, I think it's way more likely
1:13:05once there's original content. But this just feels like it's like I just have a feeling
1:13:10that this is something that we could see this year. And so I'm just swinging for the fences.
1:13:14I'm just not sure if it is like if there's no original content, and it is like I just
1:13:21don't know if Apple podcasts would make an effect on Android.
1:13:25Well, so there's a lot of like, this is sort of a weird thing to talk about. There's a
1:13:29lot of research that shows that most podcasts listening habits on iPhone, and there's not
1:13:33very much listening on Android and you can make a lot of assumptions about why
1:13:37that is we're gonna leave that conversation to the side I think a lot
1:13:40of those conversations get ugly really quickly but I think that as Spotify
1:13:46grows that I mean they're gonna grow on iOS but there's there's fewer
1:13:51limitations on them on Android and maybe Spotify will be the place that thing
1:13:55right like where a lot of people think that podcasts only exist on the iPhone
1:14:00because everyone says to find out an apple podcast, right? Some people would, would be learning that
1:14:06podcasts exist on Android at all when this happened. And, and I think it helps solidify
1:14:11them as the biggest player. And I think it makes a lot of sense from Apple's perspective
1:14:16in a bunch of different, bunch of different ways. And the other thing that made me feel opt, you
1:14:21know, optimistic about this pick is that they built TV apps for other people's televisions.
1:14:26Now they are charging for that content to your point, but they're willing
1:14:30Current Apple is willing to put their software on other people's platforms
1:14:35And that's not something they've ever done outside of iTunes
1:14:37Like it just feels like there's a bunch of angles into this they did it first in the modern era with Apple music
1:14:43Right, which exists. I mean beats was on. Yes, they updated beats basically to make it an Apple music client
1:14:50But like that that started the trend of like, alright, we have a service and we want people to pay for it
1:14:55it. So we'll put it in as many places as we can get it." And it's the same that followed
1:15:00with TV. That's why it's like, I only really see this happening if they have a way to make
1:15:07revenue gain.
1:15:08ALICE; Yeah. We'll see.
1:15:10MCCARTHY; We'll see. That's why I think this is risky. Because I think it's not a simple
1:15:14thing. Because if it was simple they would have done it already. I think there has to
1:15:18be a business case for them to want to do this. Because you could argue that Apple Podcasts
1:15:24on the iPhone, if there is no reason for Apple to make money, is a potential selling point
1:15:30of the iPhone to some people.
1:15:33And if you put the Apple podcast app and there is no financial incentive to them, then why
1:15:40put it there?
1:15:41This is why I think it's risky.
1:15:42No, it's all good points.
1:15:44So we will see how this goes, just like everything else.
1:15:47So we will wrap this up with our non graded pick.
1:15:51So these picks don't affect...
1:15:52I think we should rename these to the flex picks.
1:15:55The flex picks?
1:15:56Yeah, because they're just purely flexing.
1:15:58This is all this is.
1:15:59I kind of like it.
1:16:00Because there's no points for them, and all we're doing here is just trying to show how
1:16:04big our brains are, right?
1:16:05Like "Oh, look how smart I am."
1:16:07Great.
1:16:08The flexies.
1:16:09Yes, the flexies!
1:16:10The flexies, let's do it.
1:16:11The flexies!
1:16:12No points are awarded for the flexies, but they are purely...
1:16:18So you know, we can... that's how, I mean, this is how the year Steven was born. It was
1:16:23a flexi.
1:16:24Mm-hmm.
1:16:25Yes. So I'm gonna try my hand again at this.
1:16:31You keep coming back to it.
1:16:33Again, two-part sentence. Shortcuts will gain folders and/or, see, and/or new ways to run
1:16:45So what I'm thinking of, I mean besides folders, what I'm thinking of is
1:16:49maybe running shortcuts from the home screen is different and doesn't require that you launch the
1:16:55shortcuts app anymore. Maybe
1:16:58there'll be something like
1:17:01system-wide keyboard shortcuts to run a specific shortcut from a keyboard. Or maybe you will be able to
1:17:07pin
1:17:09specific shortcuts to the files app as quick actions.
1:17:13There's a column view. There's an inspector now in files. On the Mac you can make your own quick actions
1:17:20And I believe you should be able to make your own quick actions
1:17:23powered by shortcuts for files on iOS and iPadOS as well, so
1:17:27either
1:17:30You know
1:17:32Ideally there should be both of these features so both folders and new ways to run shortcuts, but I'm
1:17:40skeptical about folders and I think maybe we'll just get some new ways to run shortcuts.
1:17:44Federico, I really want to have this conversation with you, but we have to pause for a moment
1:17:50because literally five minutes ago the newspaper, the Memphis Flyer, tweeted the following,
1:17:57"The 5G network, 20 times faster than the current 4G network, is now available on certain
1:18:02devices in parts of downtown, midtown, Cooper Young, and East Memphis."
1:18:07as the show is happening, the 5G network got turned on in Stevens Town.
1:18:12It's Verizon too, not T-Mobile. Those are the bad parts of town, you know,
1:18:16it's all about West Memphis, we all know that, so who cares about East Memphis? What
1:18:21about South Memphis? What about, you know? West Memphis is a place, those are places.
1:18:26How do you feel now? My neighborhood is listed in those, I won't
1:18:28say which one, but I definitely live in one of those areas.
1:18:30How do you feel? Do you feel literally any different to what you felt earlier on in the
1:18:35the show? This is honestly the best piece of follow-up that's ever happened to me.
1:18:42Wow, ever? Real-time. Yeah, I can't think of a piece of follow-up that has made me feel happier than what has just occurred.
1:18:50Because it happened during the show. During the show it happened. Look, it may,
1:18:54we've all been wrong, we've all been right, time will tell which one I am.
1:18:58Yeah, I know, but like for right now this feels really good because you're like, "Oh,
1:19:03"Oh, what towns have it?" Like, "Yours. Now."
1:19:06Yeah. My neighborhood is in that tweet.
1:19:09Alright.
1:19:10Anyway, so Federico, I am with you on like, you re-pick this one,
1:19:14because they've gotta put folders in their application.
1:19:17Why haven't they put folders in?
1:19:18Or just any way of categorizing the shortcuts.
1:19:22Yeah.
1:19:23Just like, any way.
1:19:24Sort alphabetically. Something. It's a disaster.
1:19:28I mean, once you get above about six shortcuts, you can't find your way around anymore.
1:19:32Yeah, it's bad. I like that, Federico. Do you have any particular ways that you would
1:19:38like to run shortcuts differently? Yeah, what does that mean? Yeah, I'm just interested,
1:19:43as the Premiere shortcuts user, what other ways would you like to... So, I mentioned
1:19:48system-wide keyboard shortcuts, quick actions in files, running from the home screen in
1:19:55a way that doesn't launch the shortcuts app. So it just runs within the home screen. Like
1:20:01the widget? Yeah, you get a progress bar on top of the icon, something like that.
1:20:06Because that's what I like about the widget, like if you don't know, there's a lot of
1:20:09shortcuts that you can run just from the widget, and they only work that way
1:20:13from the widget. I like that. Yeah, I would also, like personally, I would like
1:20:18to have, so the share sheet, the shortcuts, when you run the shortcut inside the
1:20:23share sheet, I don't want to see the action editor anymore, I don't want to
1:20:28see the actions flow. So the one that I keep feeling this way, and I'm sure it's the exact
1:20:34same one for you, is MusicBot. MusicBot does not need to open shortcuts to operate what
1:20:38it's doing. Yeah, but... In theory. Well, right now it needs to open shortcuts because of
1:20:42a bug in shortcuts. No, but like, for what MusicBot is doing, in theory, shortcuts doesn't
1:20:51need to be there, because it's only ever presenting me with just lists, right? Like, just, you
1:20:56you could have that list pop up appear on a home screen icon, right? Just like a
1:21:01pop-up window. I don't need to have the shortcuts app open for that.
1:21:06And I am so with you on keyboard shortcuts. I would love more ways to trigger them
1:21:12with keyboard shortcuts. That'd be fantastic.
1:21:14How about you, Myke?
1:21:16Like Federico, his flexi was that he would refuse to let go of a previous pick.
1:21:21I'm the same. I still believe Apple will announce a services bundle. Like, a way to
1:21:26to pay for multiple Apple services with one payment. That's it. I think what you
1:21:32said earlier is really smart about a bunch of people got TV+ for free and
1:21:35that will be winding down about the time about you know nine months from now and
1:21:42maybe when season two stuff is coming up so I think that I think it's in the
1:21:47cards for 2020. I agree with you I think this is they got to do it. Because Apple
1:21:52have basically confirmed on investor calls that they will not do the free gift again,
1:21:57that's what Tim called it, a gift. That that was this year and that's it.
1:22:01Thanks Tim. Alright, I said, this is my shout out to our boy John Voorhees,
1:22:07WWDC will bring no real changes to Matt Catalyst.
1:22:11Oh no, no.
1:22:12Sorry, I wonder if a shout out is that to John?
1:22:15It's a condemnation of...
1:22:16Yeah, the Catalyst guy.
1:22:18There's a lot lacking in Matt Catalyst and it just seems...
1:22:22Then you would continue to lack, that's what you're saying.
1:22:25Sometimes Apple doesn't improve the obvious things and I fear that Matt Catalyst will...
1:22:30Look, SwiftUI is the future, right? And that's what they're going to focus on. And I disagree
1:22:36with this. I think they should improve it, but I'm just afraid that Apple thinks Matt Catalyst
1:22:39is good enough and they're just going to let it sit. Well, I've been thinking about this too
1:22:43recently and I genuinely think that the Matt Catalyst team did not know that SwiftUI existed.
1:22:48>>Ashkahn: Oh, no way. They definitely got railroaded.
1:22:51>>
1:23:02hand seemed like a logical thing to do. They announced it, then SwiftUI got to a place
1:23:07that they were ready to announce that and they just shelved Catalyst, but still put
1:23:11it out the door because they spoke about it too soon. And maybe they shouldn't have done
1:23:16that.
1:23:17Mm-hmm. Poor Catalyst. Federico, your final Flexi.
1:23:21So my final Flexi is, I believe, it's nice to say.
1:23:26This is, like, our show is just one of the most rewarding creative experiences in my
1:23:34life.
1:23:35I know, because you can just come up with your own rules.
1:23:37And we just come up with things and then we all just agree to it and then it just is.
1:23:42It's such a welcoming environment.
1:23:44Yeah, yeah, anybody can come up with ideas over here.
1:23:48So my final flexi is that the...
1:23:51Every time I see it, you giggle.
1:23:56because we're taking it so seriously already.
1:23:58- So I hereby announced that my final flexi shall be
1:24:03that the iPad home screen will continue to change in 2020
1:24:08with new elements and new additions.
1:24:10So beyond the widgets, beyond the date and the clock,
1:24:15there will be more.
1:24:17- Guys, my computer's here.
1:24:19- You go.
1:24:20- You guys keep talking about the iPad, I'll be back.
1:24:23- All right, we'll talk about the iPad,
1:24:24go get your computer.
1:24:25We'll be able to hear Steven straining to bring it in the door.
1:24:28It's like, "Ugh!"
1:24:29As he brings it in just massively.
1:24:30Please, can you…
1:24:31Okay, it's gone.
1:24:32My initial thought was like, "What could they add?
1:24:34They could add little contact icons to the home screen.
1:24:36They'll definitely do that.
1:24:37They'll like to put those in all over the place."
1:24:40There used to be a thing in the iOS 8 beta.
1:24:43Well, it's a thing again.
1:24:44It's in the share sheet.
1:24:45Yeah, sort of.
1:24:46Right?
1:24:47They love to do that.
1:24:48But no, I'm thinking…
1:24:50Well, obvious choice would be you should really be able to create bookmarks for files and
1:24:58folders like you can on the desktop.
1:25:01I feel like I will be asking for this every year for the rest of my entire life.
1:25:05Consistent app pairs.
1:25:08But that's not a home screen feature, is it?
1:25:10Yeah, but you could add it to the home screen as an icon, right?
1:25:13You know what I mean?
1:25:14Interesting.
1:25:15It's like a new thing to the home screen that like, oh, you can now add these app pairs.
1:25:18Oh, like you launch it and it's already like, yeah, that'd be nice actually. Like if you
1:25:23combine two icons together and you create like a, yeah, like a grouped icon, something
1:25:29like that. Like a Franken icon. Yeah. Like half of Tweetbot and half of, I don't know,
1:25:34you know, the card hop burger or something like Tweetbot eating the burger. Like the
1:25:39bird is eating the burger. The sandwich. It's not a burger, it's a sandwich. Okay. Well,
1:25:47Well, I just think that we could see that. We could see files and folders, so like you can do with the Finder.
1:25:54But really, I think what should also qualify here is if you were able to place widgets anywhere.
1:26:05Because I really think they should just do it. Just do it. Just let go of that sidebar.
1:26:10I don't even know if I need that anymore, honestly.
1:26:12I want to use more widgets. This is my problem. I want to use more of them.
1:26:17I don't necessarily, like, I would get more utility out of widgets than I get from icons.
1:26:25Because icons, like stuff I can launch in a bunch of ways.
1:26:29And you can launch an app from a widget anyway.
1:26:30You can launch an app from a widget.
1:26:32If you are an iPad Pro user and it's very likely that you have a keyboard, you can just
1:26:37search and launch apps that way.
1:26:40You have a dock that can collect more than four apps, like on the iPhone.
1:26:45So there are more ways to launch icons and apps than there are to see information at
1:26:50a glance or to perform quick actions at a glance.
1:26:54And widgets do that.
1:26:55And so I would love to have like a bunch of widgets on my home screen.
1:27:00Just allow me to make my home screen my own, the way that I want to use it.
1:27:07You know?
1:27:08I think it's great.
1:27:09And we got a little taste of the idea of what if you could see at the same time both icons
1:27:14and widgets and I think it's time to go a step beyond that because people like it so
1:27:19much. Icons, widgets, files, folders. That would be it. That would be the perfect thing.
1:27:25I think he's back. Oh my god. He's got it. Drop it to the floor. Drop it real loud. Very
1:27:31heavy. I guarantee that we're about to do like one more minute of the show before he
1:27:37makes a stop, right? Like, the show is going to be absolutely rocketed towards its conclusion
1:27:44now as Steven just wants to unbox his computer.
1:27:47What's going on?
1:27:48I wonder how heavy it is. Is he even- it sounds like he's opening it.
1:27:54Are you opening the box?
1:27:56No, I've got a show to finish.
1:27:58Oh, I thought I heard a cardboard crack.
1:28:01Are you touching the box?
1:28:02It's on the other side of the office. I can undo the velcro on the side of the box, hang
1:28:07Oh, you've taken it out of the cardboard box?
1:28:10I did because the cardboard box didn't have handles on it, I had to carry it out to the office.
1:28:14Oh, that's a good idea.
1:28:16So you did the whole, like, thing where you pull the tab?
1:28:20Yeah. Did you hear the Velcro? Here, listen to this.
1:28:23Oh boy.
1:28:26Sweet, sweet Velcro.
1:28:27Mm-hmm.
1:28:28That's a lot of Velcro.
1:28:29That's nice.
1:28:30So I have a surprise topic. It's gonna take about two hours.
1:28:33Uh-huh.
1:28:34You cool with that?
1:28:35We're gonna do that right now.
1:28:37Right now?
1:28:38Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:28:39We're gonna do another two hours of the show, you're fine with that, right?
1:28:42Yes.
1:28:43You haven't got nowhere to be.
1:28:44No, I think we're ready to wrap it up.
1:28:45It's about shortcuts for Pokemon.
1:28:49Yeah.
1:28:50Do you think you're ready to wrap up the episode now, D?
1:28:54I think we're good.
1:28:55I think I'm just gonna hang up.
1:28:56You don't wanna do your final flexi, we're all good?
1:28:58We still need to hear the final flexi from Myke and the final flexi from Steven.
1:29:01Alright, Myke.
1:29:02Alright.
1:29:03to tell you guys a story for my final flexi.
1:29:06- Come on!
1:29:07(laughing)
1:29:08- I want to take you on a journey, on a visual journey.
1:29:12- My final flexi was my second choice Ricky.
1:29:15If you didn't accept my Ricky, I was gonna choose this one,
1:29:19which is Apple will introduce a new iMac design
1:29:22with an accompanying external display.
1:29:24So by that, I just mean like there's a new iMac
1:29:27and there's a new display
1:29:28that looks like the new iMac basically.
1:29:29- Okay, the iMac design's been the same since 2012.
1:29:33It's time, the bezels are enormous.
1:29:35- They've got to do it, right?
1:29:36They've got to do it.
1:29:37- This would be classic Myke,
1:29:39if you had made this your Ricky
1:29:40and only half of it had come true,
1:29:42because this is actually two picks.
1:29:43It's a new iMac design and a new external display.
1:29:47- Right, but the reason I did that,
1:29:49'cause you were like, why did you do that?
1:29:50'Cause I don't think that you would have accepted you
1:29:53to either of those independently as a Ricky.
1:29:56- No, they had to go to, yeah.
1:29:57- So I had to do both.
1:29:58- It was a catch-22. - To make it Ricky.
1:30:01So but now you accepted my Ricky, so I made this my final flexi.
1:30:04Perfect.
1:30:07I hope it's true, man.
1:30:10It's time. They've got to do it.
1:30:12I feel like I feel like because I mean, my my other thing is that I
1:30:16they will not be this is just my own personal theory now.
1:30:19An update to the iMac Pro at all.
1:30:23Ever now, ever.
1:30:25And that the new iMac design will include the ability to spec one
1:30:30to a very, very powerful configuration.
1:30:32Like, so a merging of the lines?
1:30:35I think so.
1:30:35I think that makes sense.
1:30:36The iMac Pro, I mean, look, it came from a time
1:30:38before the Mac Pro was gonna exist.
1:30:41It doesn't need to exist.
1:30:43Like, you don't have to have an iMac Pro
1:30:45if you just, if everybody knows that the top-of-the-line
1:30:49iMac can become very, very powerful.
1:30:51You don't need to have an iMac Pro.
1:30:53The iMac Pro only needed to exist
1:30:55when there was no other desktop professional machine.
1:30:58- Well, maybe like the 4K could still be silver
1:31:00and then the 5K would be like a little bit darker
1:31:02and then the high-end 5K would just be space gray.
1:31:06- I think they'll do a 6K.
1:31:07- That's bold.
1:31:09- Why not?
1:31:10- I don't think they will.
1:31:11I think-- - But they did a 5K.
1:31:13Just keep making it bigger.
1:31:15- Just keep adding more Ks.
1:31:16All right, mine, I'm going to--
1:31:20- Oh, I just read this. (laughs)
1:31:21- The ARM Mac burned me in 2019.
1:31:26I thought I just glanced at this and assumed what it said.
1:31:30Yeah.
1:31:31And so...
1:31:32This comes from a place of profound hate for your previous pick.
1:31:36This is coming... this is a Flexi out of spite.
1:31:39Yes.
1:31:40It's a spidey.
1:31:41I have a spidey.
1:31:42This is going too far.
1:31:45Apple does not ship the first ARM Mac in 2020.
1:31:50Yeah.
1:31:51And I swear if I am wrong about this and they do...
1:31:55If they do, Myke has to buy me one, because that was an eternal promise.
1:31:58No, no, it's not the way that it works.
1:32:01If you're going to say, "Do not ship one," and they do, you need to buy one for Myke.
1:32:06You should buy me one.
1:32:07Yes.
1:32:08Let's do that.
1:32:09That's the way that it works.
1:32:12I don't want to…
1:32:14You don't have to go top of the line.
1:32:16I don't want to be…
1:32:18I don't want to just do what you did again.
1:32:20You can go mid-range, you know?
1:32:24a sweet 5k on a computer that you're just gonna give to Myke?
1:32:27I feel like the ARM Macs won't be expensive.
1:32:30Well, if it's like the new MacBook, then yes, probably.
1:32:33Because that's, I think that's what they start with anyway, right?
1:32:36Like it's like an entry line consumer laptop.
1:32:38Yeah.
1:32:39It's probably the first one.
1:32:40Call it the Apple Book.
1:32:42Oh, you know what?
1:32:43Probably.
1:32:45It will be Apple something, I reckon.
1:32:47Apple A-Book.
1:32:49The Apple Top.
1:32:50Apple Top.
1:32:52App Top.
1:32:52The laptop. It's a laptop.
1:32:54Lapel top.
1:32:56[laughter]
1:32:58But like it's L apostrophe apple top?
1:33:02Yeah. It's a lapel top.
1:33:04The lapel top 5G.
1:33:08Lapel top.
1:33:10Max.
1:33:12Alright.
1:33:14I have no idea how we did.
1:33:16We will find out in a year. That's the fun of this game.
1:33:18Or, by the time the episode comes out, maybe. Who knows?
1:33:21Who knows we may know some of it by then I love that we start our year with this every year
1:33:26it's it's so much fun and
1:33:28You know we'll move these to the the section of the document. We keep tabs on this throughout the year, so
1:33:34Yeah, let's let's let's do it again real soon. Mm-hmm. I think that does it for this week guys
1:33:41This was a lot of fun. I said I always enjoy this
1:33:43If you are out there, and you want to find the links to stuff we talked about there's not many of them
1:33:49but there's a few good ones.
1:33:51They're relay.fm.
1:33:52Can you hear how excited he is right now, Federico?
1:33:55I'm trying to get to this.
1:33:56Let me go.
1:33:57He's probably already standing and just talking
1:33:59into the microphone while standing.
1:34:01There's two things I know are happening.
1:34:02One, he is looking at the computer
1:34:05and has a smile on his face as he's talking.
1:34:08Look, man, it's not going to roll away.
1:34:10The wheels are not on.
1:34:11You didn't get the wheels.
1:34:12And they get the wheels.
1:34:14So show notes.
1:34:16relay.fm/connected/275.
1:34:19While you're there, you can get in touch with feedback
1:34:22or follow up, there's an email link there,
1:34:24or you can find us all on Twitter, of course.
1:34:26You can find Myke on Twitter as I-M-Y-K-E.
1:34:30Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here on the network.
1:34:33If you missed the Upgrade Holiday special,
1:34:36you need to go listen to it because it is fantastic.
1:34:41It's so, so good.
1:34:44It was a lot of fun to listen to that,
1:34:46and I think everyone will really enjoy it.
1:34:48And of course the upgrade-ies are right around the corner,
1:34:51so don't miss those either.
1:34:53- No, they've happened.
1:34:53- They've happened too.
1:34:55Time is a flat circle.
1:34:57- We're so messed up on time right now.
1:34:58- Yeah, just go check out Myke's other stuff.
1:35:00You know where to find it.
1:35:01(laughing)
1:35:02You can find Federico on Twitter as Fittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.
1:35:06If you follow him on Twitter,
1:35:08I think that John Voorhees will mail you a trophy,
1:35:10I think is what we've learned recently.
1:35:12- Sure.
1:35:13So go do that as well.
1:35:14And you can find me on Twitter as ISMH and my writing
1:35:19over at 512pixels.net.
1:35:22I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
1:35:24Booz Allen, Health IQ and Hover.
1:35:27Until next time gentlemen, say goodbye.
1:35:29I'll do it with that too.
1:35:30- Goodbye everybody.