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0:00:08From relay FM, this is Connected, episode 260.
0:00:11Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Pingdom, Freshbooks and DoorDash.
0:00:16My name is Myke Hurley and it is an even episode.
0:00:18So I have the honor and pleasure of introducing Federico Vittucci to the Connected program.
0:00:23Hello, Federico.
0:00:25Hello. Thank you for welcoming me to the Connected program.
0:00:28It is a honor to be on this program today.
0:00:31Great.
0:00:32Should we just get started to follow up?
0:00:33Hey, hey.
0:00:35Yes.
0:00:35Oh yeah, the other guy.
0:00:37Oh, the other guy.
0:00:38Hello, Steven.
0:00:40Thank you.
0:00:41Steven Richard Hackett, we will call him today.
0:00:44Maybe, we'll find out.
0:00:46Chairman, maybe.
0:00:47Maybe.
0:00:48Yes, I'm a little under the weather, so Myke, thank you for resuming the host duties.
0:00:52You will notice some upgrades that I have made to the hosting situation.
0:00:57I hope you enjoyed the hot tub before the show and there's gonna be a really nice dessert for you at the end
0:01:02I've really we've really up our game here. I'll connected. Oh
0:01:05That's where all the money's gone
0:01:07I've been wondering why all of my checks have been getting a little bit smaller week after week
0:01:12It's because you just keep making your host writer that bigger much bigger
0:01:16You wouldn't think you could fit a hot tub in a studio this size, but you got to get creative
0:01:21If you take out one of the walls you can do anything
0:01:25We spoke about the relay FM Family Feud video that have been videoed and that the video would be posted to YouTube
0:01:31We have now completed that promise the video is on YouTube
0:01:34There is a relay FM YouTube channel if you just search on YouTube relay FM Family Feud it will come up
0:01:41I found this out myself, which is great
0:01:43But there is also a link in the show notes in case you are looking for said video
0:01:47If you have listened to the episode, which I'm expecting because you are listening to this episode that you have listened to that episode
0:01:53I still recommend watching it.
0:01:55I actually watched a big chunk of it over the weekend with some family members and we
0:01:58enjoyed it greatly.
0:01:59So it is a very different experience.
0:02:01Alright, the rest of this episode by and large is going to be focused on talking about everything
0:02:08that happened yesterday and kind of the aftermath of the iPhone event, the Apple September event.
0:02:15It's becoming way more the September event than just the iPhone event.
0:02:18There's a lot of stuff.
0:02:20One of the big things that typically is announced and is of great importance to at least one
0:02:24Italian member of this show is dates, software release dates.
0:02:30This year's software release dates, you need... it's almost like the meme with Charlie from
0:02:35Always Sunny in the room with the red twine to try and work out when all of the software
0:02:42is being released, but the wonderful John Voorhees created a list on Mac stories,
0:02:50which goes into detail for every kind of release that Apple have got
0:02:54over the fall season, including some of the services stuff as well.
0:02:58But kind of in broad strokes,
0:03:01from a software perspective, iOS 13.
0:03:05Will release on the iPhone on September 19th.
0:03:11that that will be the day before
0:03:14the iPhone 11,
0:03:16which that feels late, right?
0:03:19Is usually get a little bit more
0:03:21time. So that's really,
0:03:23I'm really pushing it.
0:03:24Yeah, of course. I love it.
0:03:25Because this is one of those things
0:03:28where I feel like even though it's
0:03:30that the GM has come out for 13,
0:03:32there probably maybe be a second GM,
0:03:34which memory serves is
0:03:36not the first time that's happened.
0:03:38If that does happen before.
0:03:40Yeah, I remember multiple golden masters, the most golden master,
0:03:44the MGM came later on.
0:03:47So we've got that will be out on the 19th, right?
0:03:5013.1 will be out just 11 days later on September 30th.
0:03:57And that is also presumably the first version of iPad
0:04:01OS, because iPad OS will be debuting on September 30th.
0:04:04So it is probably fair to assume that iPad OS is 13.1
0:04:10and will include a bunch of other things with it.
0:04:13It is unknown right now exactly the complete list of stuff.
0:04:16Like, are we going to get emoji on that date?
0:04:18We'll find out.
0:04:19It's usually 0.1, but that usually comes in like October.
0:04:22So maybe that will come as a later update.
0:04:26There is then also a bunch of stuff which has been pushed.
0:04:29So I'm going to give you a quick list here.
0:04:31So this is stuff that's coming
0:04:34after iOS and iPadOS 13.1.
0:04:36So am I right Federico, this list that I'm going to say
0:04:39this isn't even 13.1 features potentially?
0:04:41That's after that's
0:04:44later software update.
0:04:46Right. So these are iOS 13 features that won't be in the shipping
0:04:50version of 13.1. AirPods audio sharing, HomeKit secure video routers.
0:04:55Which is debatable.
0:04:56We're going to talk about it.
0:04:57Yeah, we'll get to that.
0:04:58iCloud drive folder sharing and all of the new iCloud drive features,
0:05:02basically HomePod and AirPlay 2 in scenes and automations in HomeKit,
0:05:06the image capture API, screen time, communication limits
0:05:09and announcing messages to Siri via the AirPods.
0:05:12None of that's going to be in 13.1.
0:05:14Massive amounts of iOS 13 that will be shipping at some point over the year.
0:05:19Some HomePod features won't be shipping until September 30th.
0:05:24And all of the good stuff like multi-user support
0:05:26will not be until later on in the year.
0:05:29TV OS 13 is going to be September 30th.
0:05:33Watch OS 6 will be out on September 19th for series three and later.
0:05:38And at some point in the future for series one and two,
0:05:41Mac OS Catalina is going to be, quote unquote, October 2019.
0:05:47This is berserk.
0:05:49Like it's gone mad over there, right?
0:05:53It's quite a timeline.
0:05:56Like I guarantee I've told you all of this information.
0:05:58I guarantee that most people listening, they could not give me at least half of those dates
0:06:03back to me.
0:06:04Nope.
0:06:05It is all over the place.
0:06:06I wanted to kind of give it all as a breakdown, but by and large, the things that you need
0:06:11to be aware of, the two dates you need to be aware of are September 19th and September
0:06:1430th.
0:06:15That's like when the most stuff is going to come out, especially in the iOS world,
0:06:20except for all of the features that they are giving absolutely no date on right now.
0:06:27So Federico, how does this all affect your iOS review?
0:06:34It doesn't really affect my review, it only affects my life for the better.
0:06:39In the context of, I kind of had a feeling that it was not going to be Monday the 16th
0:06:45this year.
0:06:46I was going to be ready for Monday at the expense of my, you know, life really and physical
0:06:54conditions, but I was going to be ready no matter what.
0:06:56I had a feeling it was going to be Wednesday. Instead, Apple went for Thursday, which is
0:06:59even better. So that gives me a few more days to finalize everything, you know, go through
0:07:05another round of editing and all of that. In terms of the review, I can say right now
0:07:10that I have gone all in, in that the same review will cover iOS 13, iPadOS, iOS 13.1,
0:07:21shortcuts, including the features coming to shortcuts in 13.1. So it'll be all of
0:07:29the features that are in 13.4 iOS and 13.1 for iOS and iPadOS will be covered
0:07:36in the review. I have, last week I've gone through the whole thing again and I've
0:07:42included explanations throughout the review to make sure that readers can
0:07:49understand which feature is exclusive to 13 and which features are coming in 13.1.
0:07:56There's a disclaimer up at the top that explains how the review was written,
0:08:01which devices were used on which versions of iOS. So this doesn't really
0:08:07affect anything. I was already planning for covering everything all at once
0:08:11because I really think that in order to understand iOS 13 it is necessary to
0:08:18include 13.1.
0:08:20The review will not include,
0:08:22and I'm very happy that I made this choice,
0:08:25any features that used to be available
0:08:27before during the beta cycle and which have
0:08:30been postponed to later in the fall.
0:08:32So no mention of iCloud Drive folder sharing,
0:08:36no mention of file pinning.
0:08:39What else? Audio sharing,
0:08:42we're going to talk about in a minute. I'm going to think about.
0:08:44>> So basically, this is the complete review of iOS 13.1.
0:08:48Right? Like that's what you've got here. Anything past 13.1 is not going to be covered, even
0:08:56if it has been available previously in the beta cycle.
0:08:59Not only that, but it highlights a few changes between 13.0 and 13.1. So there's also a comparison
0:09:07between what you're going to get today at launch and what you're going to get eventually.
0:09:12I appreciate your commitment to telling the full story, because you really could have
0:09:16had two news cycles if you would have, you know, you could have had one review on the
0:09:1919th and one review on the 30th. So that is commitment to the story because Federico would
0:09:25have probably got way more clicks if he would have broken them up that way.
0:09:28Oh yeah. That's the integrity of that Max Stories man.
0:09:31But I believe in the story as a single body of work.
0:09:37Or maybe it would have just been too difficult to decouple them. Nobody will know.
0:09:41No, no, I would have been fine. The whole thing is structured pretty much to be broken
0:09:46up in multiple pieces. It would have been extremely easy for me to do. But I think it
0:09:54makes more sense as a whole, and hopefully people will see why. The only thing I would
0:10:00like to call out is AirPods audio sharing. I've been tweeting about this today. There's
0:10:06weirdness going on in terms of there is AirPods audio sharing in the iOS 13 GM
0:10:15that was released last night. The feature is available there. AirPods audio sharing
0:10:22works, although in an limited capacity with the 13 GM it does not work on 13.1
0:10:29beta 3 also released last night. I just tested this today. I used my second
0:10:36iPhone XS Max that I used for the review as a testing device, upgraded that
0:10:41iPhone finally from iOS 12 to 13.0 GM, also finally upgraded Silva's iPhone, an
0:10:49iPhone XS, to the 13 GM and sure enough I was able to share the audio of my iPhone
0:10:57connected to my AirPods second generation model to Sylvia's first generation AirPods.
0:11:03The feature works, I got screenshots on Twitter.
0:11:06What is weird is that the Apple.com says that the feature is coming later this year.
0:11:13There's an asterisk in multiple places on multiple web pages of iOS and iPadOS that says that AirPods
0:11:20audio sharing is coming later this year. It's available in DGM, but I was only able to get it
0:11:25to work with AirPods, even though the screen that you get on iOS shows you actual icons
0:11:33for generic Bluetooth headphones, Beats, multiple models of Beats headphones and earbuds.
0:11:43And we do have those Beats headphones here, so today I tested the feature with the Powerbeats
0:11:49Pro, the Beats Studio 3, and some Bluetooth headphones, and I was only able to get it
0:11:56to work with the AirPods.
0:11:59So the feature is presented on Apple.com as coming later this year.
0:12:04It is in the iOS 13 GM, it is not in iOS 13.1 Beta 3.
0:12:11It has some graphics that show you different types of headphones, although those different
0:12:16types of headphones do not work. All the AirPods work. So I don't know what is going on. It's
0:12:22a bit of a messy situation. It really feels like Apple is on two completely different
0:12:27software release tracks at this point. And there's some features in 13, some features
0:12:33in 13.1, and the team behind Apple.com is looking at who knows what release notes document.
0:12:41I have no idea. Still, I was able to get it to work, so the code is in there, it actually
0:12:49works, the feature is there in the GM. Will there be a second GM that pulls the feature?
0:12:54I don't know, so that is why, before I add that section to the review, I'm waiting until
0:12:59next week.
0:13:00So much. But it does seem like, even with just the way that they're moving the software
0:13:06around, let alone things that were missing on the hardware, that there still is room
0:13:11for another event this year.
0:13:13It feels like it. I got this theory going on that iOS 13.2 and iPadOS 13.2 will come
0:13:22out alongside Catalina. So Apple says that Catalina is coming in October, and knowing
0:13:28Apple, October might as well be not October 1st, but October 30th, right? It still is
0:13:33technically October. And Apple is doing some weird things with Catalina. So in
0:13:40Beta 7, which I think is not the latest one, but the one before that came out
0:13:44last week or two weeks ago, they reverted the iCloud Drive structure in the Finder
0:13:52to the new format that they tested earlier this summer when they were
0:13:58testing iCloud Drive, folder sharing, and file pinning on iOS and iPadOS.
0:14:03Carolina Beta 7 reintroduced that file structure.
0:14:08However, it appears that Beta 8, which came out last night, re-reverts that file structure
0:14:17for iCloud Drive.
0:14:19So really, I don't know if my theory is correct, but I could see an event where there's the
0:14:24Mac Pro and the new MacBook Pro, maybe the rumored iPad Pro refresh, but also in terms
0:14:31of software, where we see these features that Apple is saying are coming later this year,
0:14:38iCalDrive improvements, the HomePod software update that was introduced at WWDC, I could
0:14:45see Catalina in 13.2 coming out at the same time.
0:14:50My only concern is that October may be too soon for 13.2, because we don't even have
0:14:59a first beta of 13.2.
0:15:01So is it reasonable to expect Carolina and 13.2 to drop in about a month?
0:15:08Feels a little too early for that.
0:15:09So I'm not sure.
0:15:11Maybe my theory is not right.
0:15:12Well, they're dropping 13.1 11 days after 13, so like there are no rules anymore.
0:15:19Maybe there are no rules anymore.
0:15:20And in fact, if they, I mean, they're launching 13.1 on September 30th and the first beta
0:15:26came out on August 30th.
0:15:28For all you know, 13.2 beta will drop before 13.1 comes out, right?
0:15:33They might do it again.
0:15:35See, they might, that's entirely possible.
0:15:38So anything's possible.
0:15:40If 13.2 beta drops this month, then I think we're going to get an event and Catalina in
0:15:4613.2, that theory is correct.
0:15:49a lot more in the table than just Catalina though I mean there's a lot of
0:15:53hardware stuff that it's still out there right you have the Mac Pro coming this
0:15:59year they could get into more detail you have a 16 inch MacBook Pro rumor
0:16:02floating out there people say the iPad Pro but it's only been a year so I don't
0:16:06really expect that but then you also have maybe the AR VR stuff is ready
0:16:10like there's plenty to do in another event if they want to yeah I mean
0:16:15They've had events for way less. Even recently. Like when they put Apple Pencil on the cheaper
0:16:25iPad, they had a whole event for that basically, right? So there's definitely stuff.
0:16:34There's a lot of things that were not announced yesterday. For example, the tile competitor,
0:16:40the physical object tracker, the Apple tag that was supposed to come out, no mention
0:16:45of that whatsoever, even though the new iPhones have a chip dedicated for that kind of stuff.
0:16:52There is of course a possibility for an update to AirPods, right?
0:16:55Exactly.
0:16:56Like this year as well.
0:16:57And your over here at phones that I think were one of your risky picks for the year's
0:17:06predictions maybe?
0:17:07Yeah, because it was a prediction from like, it was a rumor from the year before, right?
0:17:13That it would be like a before 2020.
0:17:15So that is somewhere in my predictions is over ear headphones, so that would be good.
0:17:19Oh, that's a thought.
0:17:20Have we actually reviewed the year predictions?
0:17:24Did anybody get anything because of this?
0:17:27Are they at the bottom of the document?
0:17:28They're right at the very, very bottom of the document.
0:17:30Yeah, they're way at the bottom.
0:17:31Oh, hey, I got the second one.
0:17:34What is that?
0:17:35What is that?
0:17:36you have to shortcuts will gain home pod or play two actions
0:17:40both yeah that sounds good some point this fall it will
0:17:43I had the Apple head pods
0:17:47they are you had yeah on
0:17:50on welcome will come back to that we should revisit those but not today
0:17:54there's plenty of other stuff today
0:17:55yeah we got yet speaking of which September is
0:17:59childhood cancer awareness month we've been speaking about this all month
0:18:02connected and across other relay shows. We are in the middle of a
0:18:06fundraising campaign for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
0:18:11As of right now, we are closing in on $60,000
0:18:14raised. $60,000! Amazing. Incredible. I think, I hope and believe
0:18:21we're going to blow right past our $75,000 goal,
0:18:24which is super exciting. And the reason it's exciting is because St. Jude treats
0:18:28kids with cancer without regard for the family's ability to pay. And having been in this world now
0:18:36for a decade with our son, I can tell you that these sorts of treatments can absolutely destroy
0:18:43a family financially. And St. Jude believes that if your kid is sick, you should be able to focus
0:18:49on your kid and your family and everyone moving forward together and not being worried and honestly
0:18:57consumed with how do we pay for this because that's a truly frightening proposition.
0:19:03And St. Jude can do that because of the gifts of people like all y'all out there who are
0:19:08supporting St. Jude this month.
0:19:09So if you have donated, thank you so much.
0:19:12If you're going to, I'm just going to lay this on thick for a minute, we're all getting
0:19:15ready to drop several hundred dollars on Apple devices, if not September, then maybe in October.
0:19:21And the rest, come on.
0:19:22Most, like so many people listening to this show are going to be into four figures.
0:19:27carve a little bit of that out and help kids who could really use it, is what I'm saying.
0:19:32I had a listener say today, love this, this is great, they're going to use their 3% Apple
0:19:38Pay cash back and they're going to donate that.
0:19:41That's awesome, that's super cool.
0:19:43Right?
0:19:44That's a great idea, so if that's what you're going to do, if you're going to use the Apple
0:19:48card, do that, that's great, I think that's a really great idea.
0:19:52There was a listener, Kevin, who tweeted that to me today.
0:19:56Thanks Kevin.
0:19:57That's a wonderful idea if you're gonna be doing that
0:19:59But I think other students can dig into their pockets and even just $20, right? Just anything
0:20:06just give it go to st. Jude or connected and you can donate it and
0:20:10Every literally every penny counts. We want to raise the money
0:20:14We want to raise because it makes a big difference like seventy five thousand dollars will make a big difference to somebody's life. Yeah, absolutely
0:20:20Next Friday Myke you and I are doing something special. You want to talk about that? Mm-hmm
0:20:26Yeah, so next Friday I'm gonna be in Memphis, Tennessee.
0:20:30It's so soon!
0:20:31It's so soon.
0:20:32It's so soon since the last time I was in Memphis, Tennessee.
0:20:36So next week's episode of Connected will be together, me and you.
0:20:40Yes.
0:20:41And Federica will be out there in Skype.
0:20:43Unless he wants to come by, you know.
0:20:45Yeah, you can always swing by if you want to.
0:20:48But yeah, we...
0:20:49Sure, I can leave the day after the review.
0:20:52It's the perfect time.
0:20:53You're done then.
0:20:54Who cares?
0:20:55Exactly.
0:20:56Yeah, you don't have to worry about it.
0:20:59It's taken care of.
0:21:01We're going to be doing a podcast-a-thon.
0:21:03Six hour event.
0:21:04We're starting at 4pm Eastern Time.
0:21:07You can go to our show notes and find a Twitch event page which will show you exactly the
0:21:12time in your local time zone.
0:21:17We are very lucky that September 20th is also iPhone day, so there will be a lot of iPhone
0:21:21related stuff as people are getting their iPhones in.
0:21:24We're going to try and have an iPhone to unbox on the stream.
0:21:27We have lots of wacky, wild and wonderful things planned.
0:21:31It is going to be a great time to come and celebrate with us
0:21:34as we hopefully meet and exceed our fundraising goals.
0:21:37So can I tell a story about that date? Yeah.
0:21:39So when I chose September 20th, I looked at the calendar
0:21:43over the last several years and I figured September 20th will be the iPhone day.
0:21:46Before we knew in the event was it's been in the works for a while.
0:21:48I felt pretty confident September 20th is the iPhone date.
0:21:53And let me tell you boys, every single step this fall with software changing and even in the event,
0:21:59they said a couple of things and I thought, Oh my gosh, I'm going to miss it. The phone will be out
0:22:04the week after this, which still fine. We can still figure out what to do for six hours,
0:22:08but it's a lot better if we have a new phone to talk about. And so I think that, um, I think that
0:22:13all of this stuff, the 13, 13.1, 13.2, getting these phones out clearly someone Apple's hardware
0:22:19department is excited about the podcast
0:22:21with on and want to make sure we had a
0:22:23new phone to talk about they just wanted
0:22:25to have something to be able to watch
0:22:26would be my expectation so thank you to
0:22:30dan reach you who personally made that
0:22:33happen for us thanks dad shout out to
0:22:35listener dan and this friday me and
0:22:39steven are going to be playing Oregon
0:22:40Trail on twitch just for funsies so we're
0:22:44just warming up the twitch pipes to
0:22:46show the TV slash relay of family can
0:22:48come join us this friday we're going to
0:22:49be playing Oregon Trail, which is a game I've never played before.
0:22:52You've never played before.
0:22:53It's gonna be great.
0:22:55Someone's gonna die.
0:22:56That's gonna be at 4.30pm Britain time.
0:22:59I don't know what time it is, Easton, you need to help me.
0:23:02That's not a time zone.
0:23:03It is.
0:23:04It is.
0:23:05It is.
0:23:06Yeah, yeah.
0:23:07It is 11.30am Eastern time on Friday.
0:23:11We're on BST right now, British Summertime.
0:23:14It's like an actual time that exists.
0:23:15It's plus one on GMT because GMT doesn't move.
0:23:18Summertime sounds sounds like a nice way to say you're on vacation or like yeah
0:23:23you quit your job and move to the beach it's like what if I called it Italian
0:23:28summertime like well you can do that do you not actually have an Italian
0:23:32summertime it's not cutting Italian summertime we're not that romantic we
0:23:37don't mmm what is your time is called European something oh you're you don't
0:23:44You have your own time zone.
0:23:46Yeah, well, they're not race quitting.
0:23:48It's you guys that you have your... Yeah, exactly.
0:23:51So what I like about British Summertime is that the acronym is BST.
0:23:56So for everybody saying they have the best time zone, no you don't, we do.
0:23:59BIST. It's the BIST time zone. We've got it. It's British Summertime. Thank you everybody.
0:24:03Plus GMT started here, the way that everybody else sets their time came from here.
0:24:08Suck it everybody else. What is Starboard?
0:24:12What is starboard? What isn't starboard? Starboard is what you want it to be.
0:24:16It's a timezone. Isn't starboard left? Is it a timezone?
0:24:20It's a timezone. No, isn't starboard left?
0:24:22Oh, I see what you did. Starboard side.
0:24:26I don't know what's what. Oh man, so when they do... wait, wait, wait.
0:24:30So when they launch it... It's the right hand side.
0:24:32Okay. When they launch it, will they mean that they shipped starboard?
0:24:37Oh, well done. I love you so much.
0:24:41There you go.
0:24:42See you later everyone.
0:24:43I know we had a lot left to do today, but can't top that, so see you next week.
0:24:49Let me see if I can explain this a little bit, because this is all very hazy.
0:24:54It's all very pie in the sky.
0:24:55I feel like this is one of those stories that like, it's slipping through my fingers like
0:25:00sand because Steve Trouton Smith posts these images of documentation that I can't begin
0:25:05to understand and he's like, "Haha!
0:25:07Proof!"
0:25:08no I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. So over the last several weeks there have been a
0:25:15collection of stories putting together evidence that Apple's AR VR but I'd say AR primarily AR
0:25:23headset and the software to run it being starboard you know you have springboard and backboard and I
0:25:32forget what it's called on the on the Apple watch but these are names Apple gives for like sort of
0:25:36the the environment that launches apps and does and does those things. Starboard is what it's
0:25:41called for the AR headset. This name and evidence of it being a platform for stereo AR enabled app.
0:25:51So stereo meaning I guess you have two views of it. You have two eyeballs stereo. That's been not
0:25:59only in the most people do. Yeah, most people do have these names have shown up in the iOS 13 beta
0:26:06and Xcode betas, including the iOS 13 GM
0:26:11and the latest 13.1 beta that came out yesterday,
0:26:15still referenced.
0:26:17And it seems like these stereo AR apps will run
0:26:20on this sort of headset, again powered by Starboard
0:26:24being sort of the platform for it.
0:26:26Where it gets a little nutty is that a friend,
0:26:29Steve Trout and Smith, then found a readme document
0:26:33left in these builds giving detailed walkthrough instructions for Apple employees who want
0:26:40to test it but don't have access to the hardware.
0:26:43Apparently you can run this on an iPhone if you follow these directions you have an Apple
0:26:47internal phone with an Apple internal build.
0:26:50This is not, I don't think this is as bad as the HomePod leaking the iPhone 10 but it's
0:26:54sort of the same.
0:26:56You don't understand this is the smoking gun.
0:26:58We got it this time.
0:26:59That's it.
0:27:00This is like the Russian investigation. We got him this time. Yeah. The smoking gun we were
0:27:06waiting for. That's it. It's not as bad as the iPhone 10 and the HomePod firmware, but like
0:27:14pretty bad. There's also an icon that came out in the Find My app. I think that's a little bit older
0:27:18now, but yeah, there's all this smoke that Starboard and all these things are building
0:27:25up towards an AR headset. But what gets interesting too is that there's evidence
0:27:32for an Apple built device codenamed Garta but in a Twitter thread and a
0:27:38hashtag Twitter thread Steve also says that there's evidence that Apple could
0:27:44be building this platform and then relying on third parties to build either
0:27:50all of the headsets or maybe additional headsets past what Apple offers through
0:27:54the the what is the program where you can build mi fi mi fi yes thank you do
0:28:02through that project just like they did with the Apple TV what I thought about
0:28:04was the Apple TV right they said hey they're game controllers and you know
0:28:09the the Nimbus controller and all those sort of came out of that that deal so my
0:28:14thinking would be that maybe this is for education news right like that maybe in
0:28:19schools you'd want a different kind of headset because they're not building
0:28:23their own headset as like this is the way it should be done then they're not
0:28:26committed to this project yeah yeah I I would be absolutely shocked if they
0:28:33don't have their a headset built by Apple on day one it would it would you
0:28:40know you really surprised me I wonder if all this speculation right and all of
0:28:45these leaked icons and documents and all of this stuff and maybe all that it is
0:28:53it's like it's a new playground mode that lets you test stereo AR and have
0:29:01some kinds of extension like it's some kind of lightweight development tool
0:29:06maybe it's like it's not an actual platform it's something to you know sort
0:29:11like playgrounds really. Of course the speculation goes if it's a third-party
0:29:17developer thing, if it's like if it's built on an extension model that seems
0:29:21to suggest that developers can provide their extension points, can it be a
0:29:26simple playground integration? I don't know. It just feels very strange to me
0:29:30that Apple keeps leaving these trails with documents and they're gonna go with
0:29:39third-party manufacturers like let other people buy build their own headsets like
0:29:47it doesn't really make sense to me yeah it's like I really work for Google
0:29:51didn't it yeah exactly like they did it with the cardboard and a dream and oh my
0:29:56god the daydream yeah so I don't know this feels very I mean Apple has been
0:30:03doing some weird and different things lately but this one has to take the
0:30:08crown for the weirdest possible scenario. Apple is not doing their own headset, it's
0:30:16not doing glasses, but they're gonna let third party manufacturers build on top of an AR
0:30:22kit platform. Sure. It just feels very odd.
0:30:27It would certainly feel like a mistake to me personally. Like, I think that that would
0:30:33be a pretty bad idea if this is something they genuinely care about.
0:30:38And I mean, all signs would point to AR is very important to somebody at Apple because
0:30:47they put so much effort into it.
0:30:51But we'll find out.
0:30:52Yeah, I don't think we're going to find out in October, but maybe this shows up in the
0:30:58spring.
0:30:59I genuinely think it's wild that people think that we're going to see the result of that
0:31:02this year.
0:31:03I think the earliest would be the spring but if it's really a deal where developers need to do stuff
0:31:07This is WWDC right like this is yeah a ways out which makes all the breadcrumbs being left in
0:31:14Even more of a head scratcher. It's like if this is still
0:31:17nine
0:31:20Ten eleven twelve months away. There was a big update to a our kit in like a March update once
0:31:27Yeah in yeah
0:31:29last year maybe but
0:31:31Yeah, so yeah, it could be the spring. I think if there's a spring event, I think starting then
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0:33:30Let's talk about the Rickies.
0:33:31Yes, it's time.
0:33:33Do we have to?
0:33:35We unfortunately, Federico,
0:33:38we do, in fact, have to talk about the Rickies.
0:33:40I would like to recap the rules of the Rickies at this stage.
0:33:43I feel like it is the official thing to do.
0:33:45The winner, who shall be called chairman
0:33:47Ricky from the previous Rickies, gets to pick first.
0:33:50So the prize for the person who wins the Rickies this time
0:33:54will get to pick the next Riki's and then second place and lose a kind of
0:34:00trickle on from there. To earn any points everything written down in the
0:34:04prediction document must come true. No half points may be awarded in any round.
0:34:09One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds then two
0:34:14points will be awarded for correct picks in the risky pick round. If your risky
0:34:19pick is wrong, you lose a point and the other two hosts must agree that your pick is in
0:34:25fact risky enough.
0:34:27So I figure we should kind of redo this in the order we can go through each of our predictions
0:34:32and say if we were right or wrong.
0:34:34So I said new colors in the iPhone line as compared to the previous year.
0:34:39I got this even more than I thought.
0:34:41There was a color on the pro phones, which is a non graded thing.
0:34:44I'm very unhappy with that green though.
0:34:47It's not for me.
0:34:49Every time I see, we've all been watching Hanes on video, right?
0:34:51Every time I see it in a video, I think, "Oh, that's nice."
0:34:54And then the light hits it from an angle, I'm like, "Ew, that's not…"
0:34:57There was an episode of Seinfeld about that, where a person looked attractive in some lighting
0:35:03and unattractive in other lighting.
0:35:04That's how I feel about this phone.
0:35:06Now look, if you like the green, more power to you.
0:35:10Absolutely.
0:35:11But this is not for me.
0:35:12I'm doubling down on gold again.
0:35:15If you buy the green in the pro max size, you are obligated legally to name your phone
0:35:23the jolly green giant.
0:35:25Oh, now what's that mean?
0:35:28It's a character, you know, of what?
0:35:33Of green beans, actually.
0:35:35Yeah, it's a food mascot.
0:35:37I have no idea what that means.
0:35:39It'll be in the show.
0:35:40Okay.
0:35:41Cool.
0:35:42Thanks.
0:35:43But it is a thing that exists.
0:35:44I said there'd be a good orange.
0:35:46I was wrong.
0:35:47There's now no orange.
0:35:48Yeah.
0:35:49Uh, so that's the whole thing.
0:35:50I was very upset about that.
0:35:52Um, I'm not a big fan of the iPhone 11 colors personally.
0:35:56I don't know.
0:35:57Yeah.
0:35:58Same.
0:35:59They're too washed out for me.
0:36:00And look at that.
0:36:01Your boy wanted clear cases and he got them clear cases for everyone.
0:36:06I'm so excited about clear cases.
0:36:08I actually have two clear cases arriving at my home tomorrow.
0:36:11Yeah.
0:36:12They're shipping early.
0:36:13Hooray.
0:36:14My problem with clear cases is that any piece of dust that shows up is like automatically
0:36:20Visible, which is a bummer. Yeah, I can't over. I'm sure I want to see the gold. I have a beautiful gold phone
0:36:27I want to see the gold good job on this pic. Great job got that one
0:36:31My first round pick was at the iPhone 10 R
0:36:36would become the iPhone 11 that Apple would basically switch the defaults and
0:36:42Clearly they did that and I think they built a good case that the 11 is
0:36:45The default phone I was I was thinking about this this morning
0:36:50I feel like when the iPhone 10 are came out a lot of people were afraid Apple was
0:36:54repeating the mistake of the iPhone 5c
0:36:57And I think we argued on this show and I argued in my review of the 10r that that actually is not the case the 10r
0:37:02was a
0:37:04flagship phone
0:37:06unto itself with the 5c really wasn't the 5c was just a
0:37:09redone older iPhone 5 so they can make it more cheaply and
0:37:12I got to say I think we got that right the the 10 are clearly was a big success and
0:37:18Now it has become the default phone the 10 or has become the 11 so I get the point but
0:37:24Also, I think the bigger point that the 10 are was a good move
0:37:29I think that's paid off for them in a huge way
0:37:32Yeah
0:37:33And I think that it is as you say like it is very interesting to see them give that name right the 11
0:37:39is you're resetting the starting point and then resetting the price as well.
0:37:44Yes. These are like big deals $699 cheaper. So yes, that was gonna be... can you? That would
0:37:51have been a Ricky. Yeah. Make the phone cheaper. That would have been a real
0:37:56exciting time. The 10R was $749 which is right in between the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus
0:38:01in pricing and now this adopts the $699. That's still high compared to phones
0:38:06three or four years ago from Apple but it's the right move in the current
0:38:10climate 699 is a lot better than 749 still room to go but I applaud them for
0:38:16that that change well I I picked the biggest phone will not be called the pro
0:38:23max and I was wrong Apple called it the iPhone 11 Pro Max so well it's a name
0:38:32that I do not like, I maintain that it is an ugly name, but what you gotta do? I also
0:38:39think it's an ugly camera in the back, so everything's ugly. What you gotta do about
0:38:46it? It's just, you know, it is what it is. It's an ugly back camera for an ugly named
0:38:53phone. So, I'm still gonna buy one, but I think the name is silly and the camera is
0:39:00Exactly, just as we were thinking when we saw the first leaks.
0:39:04So I, unlike other people I've seen on Twitter, do not think it looks better in official photos.
0:39:12It doesn't look any better for me.
0:39:15It's three round-shaped objects that do not necessarily trigger my trypophobia, but I
0:39:24think it looks awkward.
0:39:26I don't have that, but it looks awkward and I don't think it's attractive at all.
0:39:30There should have been... there could have been, should have been better ways to handle that.
0:39:36I think other smartphone manufacturers have done a better job at implementing three cameras,
0:39:41but whatever. I also don't like using Android, so what you gotta do?
0:39:44I don't like it. I don't like the camera. I don't like the name, but it is what it is.
0:39:49And I didn't get the point, so sorry buddy.
0:39:51I think that Apple clearly did a lot of work to try and dispel the trypophobia problem.
0:39:59And I genuinely think the way that they solved it is by switching the texture of the glass
0:40:05on each model, because it's not a consistent area across the whole phone.
0:40:10So can you walk through that, what they did between the two models?
0:40:12So on the 11, the back glass is smooth, but then the camera bump area, which is also still
0:40:21glass same color they put like a matte finish there's like or it's at least
0:40:25textured around the camera area and then on the pro it is the PVD coated glass
0:40:32which is the matte finish but around the cameras it's smooth again so they
0:40:37haven't coated it in the same way I don't know exactly how they have
0:40:41achieved the matte finish on the 11 I don't know if it's sort of PVD coating
0:40:45or not or if they've just like treated it in some way maybe like sandblasted
0:40:48that area or something. But they've been able to... I think by changing the texture, it
0:40:55breaks the visual when you look at it. And rather than holes being in like a large space,
0:41:02it's just around that one area. I actually as well just personally prefer that look than
0:41:06a lot of the renders that we saw, right, initially, which was just like, here's three cameras
0:41:11just in this huge expanse and it's all the same color. It all being the same color looked
0:41:16weird to me, um, but this looks better because it does look like there's a slight break because
0:41:20the light hits it differently. So, uh, it look, it doesn't look great, but of all of
0:41:27the ways it could have looked bad. This does look the least bad to me. I think of them
0:41:33hyper, hyper ease. Hey, there is, I feel like every now and then the iPhone gets a little
0:41:40ugly duckling E and that's where we are right now. Like every now and then they have to
0:41:46to make a change to the phone, which was not necessarily what they envisioned when they
0:41:50originally designed the way the phone looked.
0:41:54And kind of that's we're in like ugly duck land again.
0:41:58My second round pick though was about this, which is the three cameras on the high end
0:42:01phones and that it would be a telephoto.
0:42:06So and then ultra wide and wide.
0:42:09We just called it the camera because we couldn't really like realize what it was called.
0:42:13It is actually a wide lens. It's a wide angle lens.
0:42:17I still think it's the camera.
0:42:18I still prefer the camera because that's how everybody thinks of it.
0:42:22But then you have ultra wide.
0:42:24Were you both as surprised as I was that the 11 got an ultra wide and not a telephoto?
0:42:29Yes. Yes, very much so.
0:42:32I mean it makes perfect sense, but I never would have expected it because
0:42:36I didn't know you could take portrait photos without a telephoto.
0:42:40I thought you needed a telephoto, but you just need a second lens.
0:42:43it turns out. Mm-hmm. All right so next up in round two I had predicted no
0:42:50Mac or iPad hardware. In the keynote I lost this point because the we're
0:42:55talking about a little bit later but the 10.2 inch iPad was announced and shown
0:42:59off. I was very surprised by that and this is an example where sometimes if
0:43:05your picks are too specific you're going to issue if I just said no Mac hardware
0:43:10I would have made it but the the second product there burned me unfortunately
0:43:15And I said and this is the only thing that I got in my predictions
0:43:19The new phone will offer some kind of night mode for shooting in the dark and sure enough
0:43:26There is an actual night mode. It is called the night mode in the new iPhones. It is
0:43:31Apparently it works
0:43:34You can choose whether you want to use it or not
0:43:36But once it's on you will see a live preview in the viewfinder in the camera app. So
0:43:42Looks to be quite impressive of course
0:43:44We didn't see a lot of pictures or examples yesterday because the demo area was very
0:43:49Brightly lit and therefore it was impossible to shoot in the dark
0:43:53But I look forward to seeing some of the tests Apple shared a few photos
0:43:58They looked pretty much like a night mode maybe and that was just my impression
0:44:04It didn't look as, and don't take this the wrong way,
0:44:08but as fake as a Google Pixel Night Mode photo looks
0:44:12in that the Google Pixel makes those photos look
0:44:16as if it were almost daylight.
0:44:18- This is unrealistic.
0:44:19- Unrealistic a little, whereas I think I could see
0:44:23that Apple still tried to make it look like
0:44:26it was shot in the dark, but not just pitch black dark.
0:44:30It had that yellow brownish tint
0:44:32that suggests it was shot in low light, for example.
0:44:36So I think Apple, judging from those couple of photos,
0:44:39I think they're going for a more realistic
0:44:41night mode appearance, which is fine.
0:44:44As long as a photo, you know,
0:44:45as long as I can see something and it actually works
0:44:47and it's not too grainy,
0:44:49I think it's gonna look very nice.
0:44:52I saw on Twitter that there's gonna be a new UI element
0:44:56in the camera app when you're shooting with night mode.
0:44:59You're gonna see an indicator for exposure
0:45:02that tells you, you know, this photo is going to be basically going to have
0:45:06you're shooting for five seconds.
0:45:08And so the phone can capture multiple exposures and then stitch them together
0:45:11and give you a night mode photo.
0:45:13And there's going to be a yellow badge in the camera app
0:45:16when you when you enable that, which looks fine.
0:45:18So Jason was telling me an upgrade that there's like
0:45:22it's obviously doing a bunch of clever stuff.
0:45:24It's like I just want to clarify something.
0:45:26I don't think he was saying it, but like you
0:45:28you cannot tell the phone you want to do this.
0:45:30the phone decides for you that you are allowed to shoot this way.
0:45:33Yeah.
0:45:34It is not possible for you to say I want to take a night mode photo.
0:45:38Like night mode is offered to you when the phone believes that you can shoot
0:45:42in it, like that the light is dark enough, for example.
0:45:45And then also there's some other stuff where like it's just
0:45:49there's some other stuff where it's judging like the light around to
0:45:54sorry, it's judging like your movement in your hands for how long it's going to
0:45:59take the exposure for.
0:46:00So if you have your phone on a tripod, the exposure time will be longer.
0:46:04It will expose for longer.
0:46:07I can't think of the correct words.
0:46:08So therefore getting a brighter image
0:46:11because it will be able to expose over a long period of time.
0:46:14So there's some interesting stuff that the phone is doing
0:46:16to try and get you the best possible result.
0:46:19So if you were taking photos outside at night in a tripod,
0:46:23then you are going to get some great images, which would be better
0:46:27then if you're taking pictures in a bar, holding it in your hand, they're going to be good.
0:46:32But like there are there's like a range. The shutter will be open for longer. Thank you,
0:46:36Kate, in the chat room for giving me the phrase that I was looking for and searching for.
0:46:40But so Apple's doing some smart stuff there. But it's not like where, you know, a lot of
0:46:45people have said like, oh, you know, I just basically leave night mode on the Pixel all
0:46:50the time because then I always get the best results like I get that. But you don't have
0:46:53that option with the iPhone camera.
0:46:55I think that's fair. I think Apple's kind of split the difference. It's going to guess when you want it, but you can even then, even if it's suggested or it enters it automatically, you can still disable it from that screen that control that Eric goes talking about.
0:47:09about. So I am excited they're doing this. This has been an area they've been
0:47:15behind in for a couple of years. The Pixel really came out of the gate strong
0:47:19with it and Samsung and Huawei do it as well. I'm really looking forward to the
0:47:24roundups of this compared to those other phones because my guess is it's gonna
0:47:29kind of be like the HDR stuff where Samsung and Huawei and Apple and Google
0:47:36the Pixel phones, they all do HDR but they all do it differently and just for
0:47:41my personal taste I prefer the way the Pixel does it over the iPhone. We've
0:47:45talked about this when the XS came out that I don't like the Smart HDR that
0:47:48Apple's doing. My guess is the night mode will be similar that they're these all
0:47:54these manufacturers will do it slightly differently and I'm just really curious
0:47:58who comes out ahead. Even if Apple doesn't have the best one just being in
0:48:03arena is is good because they're losing ground and if there's anything that gets
0:48:10people to upgrade a smartphone it's the camera and so they need to be
0:48:13competitive in all the different ways cameras work now not just the primary
0:48:17ones. All right so in the end of round two the scores are as such I have two
0:48:22points Stephen has one point Federico has one point mm-hmm but it all changes
0:48:28when you get to the Rickies in theory we'll find out today's episode is
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0:49:43All right.
0:49:44So we move in to the Ricky's, the risky picks.
0:49:48Tim Cook, thanks, Johnny Ive.
0:49:51The camera shows Johnny in the audience.
0:49:53Johnny doesn't stand.
0:49:54That was my Ricky pick.
0:49:55You got all that.
0:49:56Johnny was there. I was excited to see that Johnny was there. I mean, it depends how you
0:50:02want to judge this, really. Tim did thank everybody at one point. Johnny didn't stand.
0:50:11I don't know if it showed him in the audience or not, but probably at some point. So, you know,
0:50:16like by the letter of the law, it could be possible for me to grade this for myself,
0:50:21but let's be real, I didn't get this point the way that I envisioned it.
0:50:25No, no, he didn't.
0:50:27So that brings me down to a glorious zero points.
0:50:30Right.
0:50:31Is you lose a point.
0:50:32No, it brings you to lose two points.
0:50:35You lose to the Ricky's.
0:50:36You lose two points.
0:50:37Oh, wait, do you use two points?
0:50:39No, I lose one point.
0:50:40Sorry, I'm at one point.
0:50:42I have one point, one point, one point.
0:50:45Two points are awarded for the correct picks in the risky pick round.
0:50:49If your risky pick is wrong, you lose a point.
0:50:51There we go.
0:50:52Our rules are so complicated.
0:50:53we can't remember them ourselves. It is almost impossible to keep track of them
0:50:57at this stage, which is why we had them written down. I'm still very
0:51:01curious how Apple sends Ive off. I agree still with what I said last week of
0:51:07like, they're just not gonna do it. Like he's just gonna quietly slip away.
0:51:11It's a Friday and they open the door and he's out. Yeah, it's
0:51:16you know his yeah it's like you're not gonna Indiana Jones where the the ground
0:51:24opens up because they've stolen the Holy Grail and you know the woman falls down
0:51:28the hole and then Indy is like chasing after her and then he slips and Sean
0:51:31Connery grabs his hand it's like no your hand is slipping away that's how it's
0:51:35gonna be it's like Johnny I've and Tim Cook like they're touching you know as
0:51:38this one final moment and he's just gone forever into the mist this is a star
0:51:44War Federico that he's talking about. This is one of those Star Wars.
0:51:48I don't think Indiana Jones is a Star War. Well, technically. Technically.
0:51:54Indiana Jones has the same guy that I know. Look at it. It's got the same guy. And it's like,
0:51:59it's like a movie version of Uncharted, the video game. I think they copied Uncharted for
0:52:04Indiana Jones. It's like, it's like. Yes. Indiana Jones is an Uncharted.
0:52:09Yes, it's the guy going to El Dorado to find the treasures.
0:52:13Right?
0:52:15Yeah.
0:52:15Wow.
0:52:16Pretty good.
0:52:17Before he becomes an astronaut for Star Wars.
0:52:20For the Star War.
0:52:22Sure.
0:52:23Steven, what was your Ricky?
0:52:24No service bundle announced, including any service being free with another or some sort of content being added to the iPhone upgrade program.
0:52:34You got through on the skin of your teeth for this one.
0:52:38- That I am on the sharpest edge of the sharpest knife,
0:52:42but I-- - He was so lucky.
0:52:44- So what Apple did announce was that
0:52:47if you buy Apple hardware, so a Mac, an iPhone, an iPad,
0:52:51an Apple Watch or an Apple TV,
0:52:53you will get a year of Apple TV plus
0:52:56the streaming service for free, which is great.
0:52:58I did not expect them to do that.
0:53:00That is not a service bundle.
0:53:02That is a promotion for one individual service.
0:53:06So I get this, but it's super close.
0:53:10Well, technically, if you join the iPhone upgrade program, you will
0:53:16probably get a year of Apple TV+.
0:53:18Right.
0:53:19Well, technically that is what you get.
0:53:22That is not what we were talking about.
0:53:23That's not what we were talking about.
0:53:24So I, uh, so I pick up two points.
0:53:29Just, just, this leaves me with three points.
0:53:33Myke, you have one point Federico.
0:53:36Are you going to dig out of the hole with this next one?
0:53:38Sure. I think I got it all correct.
0:53:40Apple announces Apple TV.
0:53:42Apple announces Apple TV.
0:53:44I don't know what event you guys watched, but in my video stream it all happened.
0:53:48Wow.
0:53:49Can you give us...
0:53:50Actually, it's not because we didn't see it.
0:53:52Could you describe to us exactly how this part went down?
0:53:55Sure.
0:53:56Eric, you came out on stage holding a Game Boy.
0:53:59Oh, Eddie.
0:53:59Eddie of all people.
0:54:00Eric, you came out on stage holding a Game Boy.
0:54:02And it was like, you people remember this?
0:54:06And he just, he just threw it to the audience.
0:54:13I'm pretty sure that it hit John Gruber.
0:54:16Can I ask, underarm or overarm the throw?
0:54:20On John's right leg.
0:54:21But like, did he throw it overarm or underarm?
0:54:24This is very important to my...
0:54:26Overarm.
0:54:27Overarm.
0:54:28Which you said it is.
0:54:30like, we don't, we don't, you know, we don't think these are, these are actual video games.
0:54:36And then he proceeded, he proceeded to show a slide of multiple video games. It's like,
0:54:42you guys like this, huh? It's like showing pictures of Crash Bandicoot and Super Mario
0:54:47and each character, he then clicked the remote for the presentation and a big red X was overlaid
0:54:55on top of each guy. Like we don't care about video game characters. And then he started
0:55:00showing photos of, they're going to be called the Apple games that they're making. Right.
0:55:07So Apple games will have characters such as... Warren Buffett. So there's going to be, hold
0:55:16on. So the supporters, like the supporting characters will be based on the animoji. So
0:55:23There's gonna be the owl and the mouse.
0:55:29Not the...
0:55:30Apple apologized publicly for the abomination that is the octopus animoji, thankfully.
0:55:36So that's going away.
0:55:38They're removing the octopus animoji.
0:55:41But they're gonna be supporting characters.
0:55:42The main character will be Warren Buffett.
0:55:47But Warren Buffett will be younger.
0:55:49In the game, in the Apple games, you'll have an assistant and the assistant is Daisy the
0:55:56Robot. So you control Warren Buffett and Daisy the Robot.
0:56:00Daisy did come back. That's very convenient for you, isn't it?
0:56:05Daisy the Robot is strapped onto Warren Buffett's backpack.
0:56:09Right, right, right.
0:56:10So it's like an exoskeleton type of deal.
0:56:12Did they somehow also announce that Catalina has a release date? Like, was Daisy waving
0:56:16a flag and then maybe saying, "Oh, by the way, there's going to be original podcast
0:56:20content." Did Daisy say all of this stuff?
0:56:23Went through this presentation. So Apple Games, it's sort of like Nintendo and Sega at the
0:56:28Olympic Games as a type of video game. It's like a party game in that style. One of the
0:56:37mini games is you create original podcast content.
0:56:40Oh, that's how that happened.
0:56:45War and Buffet. And finally at the end there was an Apple TV, they announced an Apple controller,
0:56:50but it's made of... so you got a directional pad, but it's only got one arrow. It only
0:56:56goes up. And you got four buttons on the right side, but only two of them are working. The
0:57:05other two are just for symmetry.
0:57:06It's all on a metal only.
0:57:09He announced an Apple TV and game controller bundle and it's not 4K, it's 5K, so it only
0:57:15works for two displays that Apple sells and it's got a subscription to play this game
0:57:22and to access the content but in order to access Apple games you need to pay for Apple
0:57:30News Plus.
0:57:32So that's the way that it works.
0:57:33The only way they can sell that service.
0:57:35Yeah, yeah.
0:57:36I mean, I think I got it all. Honestly, the only thing I missed from my non-graded picks
0:57:43within the risky pick is the Catalina release, even though that's debatable because they
0:57:47did say that it's coming out in October. So I'm not sure what you guys watched, but this
0:57:53all happened.
0:57:54So Federico is on zero points.
0:57:57Well.
0:57:58So there we go.
0:58:00I didn't convince you, did I?
0:58:02convince us no. Federico for some reason thought there would be an Apple TV and Game Controller
0:58:07bundle. There was not. So that puts our scoring at Federico with zero points. So Federico,
0:58:16you are the loser, capital L, remember? I remember we're doing that, sure. You are capital
0:58:22L loser. I am second place winner with one point. You're not a second, what is a second
0:58:29place winner. This is what it says, the second place winner. You are the penultimate loser.
0:58:37No, second place winner. Second place winner. Second place winner. Because in every time
0:58:43there's been trophies, second place trophy has always been a good trophy. So second place
0:58:47winner is me and Chairman Ricky taking the chairmanship away from my two consecutive
0:58:55wins is Mr. Steven Hackett. Congratulations, Ricky Hackett.
0:58:59Thank you. Thank you gentlemen. Good playing with you as always, but even better when I
0:59:05win. Just being honest, it feels pretty good. We do have some non graded picks. So these
0:59:11are things that we just kind of threw out there that don't really affect the score either
0:59:16way. Although interestingly, I did actually grade them just to like see how it would work.
0:59:23So Myke, what what did you say in the non graded section?
0:59:28Mine was that Apple TV plus would be free of another subscription.
0:59:31It wasn't but the spirit of what I was trying to say is like, there's no way Apple can charge
0:59:35you for this.
0:59:36And they decided that they wouldn't write like, you'll get it for free if you buy any
0:59:41like anything, right?
0:59:42Just buy anything.
0:59:43Yeah.
0:59:44Do you need a new lightning cable Apple TV plus for free?
0:59:47You get at least a half an hour.
0:59:49The Mac doesn't get mentioned.
0:59:51I think the name Mac was uttered, but there was no news about the Mac, so I'll give that
0:59:55to you.
0:59:56Okay.
0:59:57And that there'll be potentially some surprise hardware like a tile tracker.
1:00:00Yeah.
1:00:01No, no, no, no.
1:00:04Mine were both about stagecraft.
1:00:05I said, Jeff Williams would take a greater role in the keynote.
1:00:09He wasn't there at all.
1:00:10He took a little less role.
1:00:11He didn't even announce the Apple watch.
1:00:13Not on stage at all.
1:00:14He was in mine.
1:00:15He's the new president of Apple.
1:00:18He's president.
1:00:19President of Apple.
1:00:20It's his name.
1:00:21Yeah, and so maybe he and temp cook can't be in the same place in public anymore. You know if like safety reasons
1:00:27And everybody's calling him president Jeff. He doesn't want to go by present Williams or PJ to his friends
1:00:33Yeah, page and then I said no this is a bet against Myke's
1:00:39Ricky pick no mention or word from Johnny I've and that was correct and was correct not even in a video
1:00:47Yeah, then Ritchie. Oh did the video
1:00:50For dear I found he did he's done a couple of them. He did the he did the 5k iMac
1:00:55I know and I think a couple others. I enjoy it when he does it. I think he's a an interesting person to do it
1:00:59Doesn't have a commanding voice like John. Hey, he's a listener of the show. So why don't you be?
1:01:05Do not offend listener Dan please super smart guy clearly like very accomplished. It could be anybody
1:01:13It could be anyone right like you'd win the voice thought you're like, aha Dan Ricci are we?
1:01:20We have a question listener Dan wants to know.
1:01:23Why does Michael hate me?
1:01:25Because I wanted Johnny not to stand.
1:01:27All right.
1:01:30Moving on to my non-greater picks.
1:01:33So I think I sort of got half of this correct
1:01:36and the other not correct.
1:01:38I said Apple gives a release date for iOS 13.1
1:01:42and mentions the update on stage.
1:01:45They didn't mention the update on stage.
1:01:47They did give a release date for iOS 13.1 in the press releases, plural.
1:01:54So that was even more than I was hoping for.
1:01:58I was just hoping for iOS 13 to come out at some point midweek,
1:02:02but I also got a release date for 13.1, which matters to me
1:02:07because I'm planning a secret thing that I haven't told anybody about,
1:02:12not even you guys.
1:02:13And that was the reason why my 13.1 coverage is happening earlier, because I gotta clear
1:02:19the room for something else.
1:02:21We'll talk about that in the future.
1:02:25In the very near future at this point.
1:02:27Well, the very near future is in like 45 minutes when the call ends and I demand you tell me,
1:02:32so...
1:02:33We'll see about that.
1:02:35Apple announces new environmental efforts, such as a new recycling robot.
1:02:40Again, that happened in my stream.
1:02:43Catalina as a release date.
1:02:47I put orange as a color here in the document.
1:02:50It has a release window.
1:02:52It has a release month.
1:02:54It doesn't even say what year, so might as well be October 2020.
1:03:00Do release times mean anything anymore?
1:03:03Yeah, it's Catalina point O, but all the good stuff comes out of point one.
1:03:07You can't run iPad apps yet.
1:03:08You gotta wait.
1:03:09And Apple announces original podcasts content.
1:03:12Nope. Didn't happen. So...
1:03:15I don't think it's ever gonna happen.
1:03:17I think it will, but not anytime soon.
1:03:20So as the complete loser of this round of predictions and Riki's,
1:03:27I automatically become the winner because I lost the most.
1:03:32The first shabby last.
1:03:33I'm pretty sure we said...
1:03:35Whatever you have to tell yourself to go to sleep at night is fine by us.
1:03:39- Yeah, we talked about this before,
1:03:42the honor that comes with losing a lot.
1:03:44Not a lot of people could survive this, but I did.
1:03:48And I'm very proud of myself for surviving this loss.
1:03:50- You've been less than everyone this year.
1:03:53(both laughing)
1:03:55- Wait until I take it all back at the end of the year.
1:03:57- So there's two chances, right?
1:03:58If there's an October event, we'll do this.
1:04:00And then we have to grade the yearly picks as well.
1:04:04So there's still plenty of ground left to cover.
1:04:09Yeah. Yeah. I'm planning my comeback. Don't worry.
1:04:11Oh, I just realized how confusing it's going to get when like the prize for the
1:04:16annual predictions, right?
1:04:20There will be a winner of the annual predictions. Yes.
1:04:23Then that shouldn't have bearing on the picker of the next event.
1:04:28It should then the winner of the annual predictions should get to pick the
1:04:34annual picks. We'll deal with that when we get there. Leisure, right?
1:04:38Yes. Which is the next event after that or the next time we do picks after that.
1:04:42So I think it works out. That's a problem for future us.
1:04:44Yeah. We shouldn't do it like that because then like the winter or October get,
1:04:48they get nothing. Right. They get a raise.
1:04:52So like the winner of the October picks gets to pick the next event.
1:04:56The winner of the yearly picks gets to pick first in the yearly picks.
1:05:00Okay. I'm going to say some stuff about the event.
1:05:03Do you want to type that in the bottom of the document?
1:05:05Cause it's in your brain right now.
1:05:07Yeah, I don't know. I'm just going to put it in here somewhere.
1:05:10If only we recorded this in some other manner.
1:05:16I know it's once it said it's gone. I think our picks reflect clear. They reflect what we and what
1:05:23people thought this event was going to be. And we're still going to talk some more in detail
1:05:27about the iPhone and iPad and stuff. But here, just at the end of the picks, it feels to me
1:05:33There was room in this event for something big at the end and it just didn't happen
1:05:38I remember look kind of keeping an eye on the clock and
1:05:41We were an hour and a half in and everything seemed like it was winding down at the beginning to cook said hey
1:05:47We're gonna skip the regular company updates
1:05:50But then they did retail at the end for the only reason I can think of it so they could talk about
1:05:54How you can like swap watch bands around in the Apple Store now the only reason that wasn't any real
1:05:59- The real reason is so they could say,
1:06:01they could put on stage that you could get your iPhone
1:06:04for cheap.
1:06:05- Right, the trade-in program.
1:06:07But even then that could have been done another way.
1:06:10It felt like, I really thought he's gonna say
1:06:12one more thing.
1:06:13At any moment now, it's gonna happen.
1:06:16And it just didn't.
1:06:18That's fine, I'm happy with what they announced,
1:06:20but it just seemed to me like they were on a pace
1:06:24where something else was gonna happen
1:06:25and then it just didn't.
1:06:26and maybe something wasn't ready or something fell through
1:06:29for some reason or the software issues,
1:06:32but I'm curious, do you guys feel that way?
1:06:34Do you feel like this event was a little odd
1:06:37at the end in particular?
1:06:38- It felt very, it's like, it was the,
1:06:41like you go to a fancy restaurant
1:06:43and instead of ending this beautiful, amazing dinner
1:06:46with some fancy dessert or, you know, like tiramisu
1:06:50or something super special and tasty,
1:06:52you end with a green salad.
1:06:54It's like, "Yeah, I can go home now, I guess."
1:06:59It wasn't a disappointment, it was just kind of boring and unexceptional in a way, you
1:07:06know?
1:07:07So they felt like there was something that was clearly supposed to be there, and it was
1:07:12not, and they decided maybe at the last minute, "I don't know how these things work, let's
1:07:17just talk about retail and what we're doing with the Apple Watch, and let's bring the
1:07:23new person out so she can talk about changes to the Apple stores. Which, sure, you know,
1:07:30I like where they're going with the retail changes, but for an event, you know, it's
1:07:36a media event, it's supposed to be a spectacle, it was not a spectacular ending to the show.
1:07:43So that's fine, we get these events.
1:07:46Yeah, I am pleased that they didn't use One More Thing for any of the things that they
1:07:51they currently have to potentially show off because I just think none of them are important
1:07:55enough ultimately, especially if it was going to be that tile tracker, I would have been
1:08:00kind of annoyed if they would have rolled out one more thing for that because it's just
1:08:03like here's an accessory that we're making, right, which is going to be really nice but
1:08:09like come on, it's not that revolutionary as a product. So I was kind of fine to not
1:08:15have it and I overall like the event more than most people that I know. I thought it
1:08:19was it was very good. We haven't even spoken about like the big surprise, which is the
1:08:23Apple Watch. Not yet anyway, we will. But like, yeah, it didn't suck all of the air
1:08:31out of the room for me, but it did definitely feel like it stopped abruptly.
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1:09:54So there's a bunch of stuff out there about the new iPhones.
1:09:57As is always, I enjoyed MKBHD's videos a lot
1:10:02because I think does the best job with the hands on stuff.
1:10:06And, you know, he was critical about the phones
1:10:11in the way that I would have expected.
1:10:13And, you know, I think that
1:10:14it's kind of as people would assume, right?
1:10:18This is like if you really want cameras,
1:10:21oh boy, we've got cameras for you.
1:10:24Right. Like especially on the pro models.
1:10:25It's like, well, that's that's your benefit.
1:10:27You get better battery life.
1:10:29The battery life improvements, especially on the pro models, is bananas.
1:10:32Four and five hours respectively, depending on the size.
1:10:35But like for me personally, like I'm excited
1:10:40about the pro phone. I think that they've given me what I would want to to upgrade
1:10:46right like the the camera stuff is exactly what I was looking for right the
1:10:49upgrades to the selfie camera and the ultra wide camera and then just
1:10:53everything else in between like that's exactly what I wanted and then to get
1:10:57those battery life improvements as well at the same time I am happy with that
1:11:01personally is my reason to upgrade but I'm interested to know what you guys
1:11:06feel, did the iPhone 11 Pro, did it deliver in the places that you wanted?
1:11:15The thing I'm most excited about is the battery life. I think the new camera stuff looks good,
1:11:21but the thing I really care about, which is the ultra-wide, is also in the iPhone 11,
1:11:26so it's not necessarily an iPhone 11 Pro thing. I'll tell you the truth, I'm gonna get it
1:11:33because it is my job to always have, you know, and because it is also my personal preference
1:11:38to always have the latest and greatest, but I'm not as excited as I was last year to finally
1:11:44get a big phone with the iPhone X design. I think it's fine. I'm not particularly...
1:11:55You know, the camera stuff, yes, I'm gonna get a night mode also on the iPhone 11. Yes,
1:12:01the ultra wide mode also on the iPhone 11.
1:12:03Deep Fusion, anybody?
1:12:05What on earth is Deep Fusion?
1:12:07Can anyone explain?
1:12:09Did anybody understand what Deep Fusion is?
1:12:11Also, let's talk about the photo of the dude on a couch
1:12:15as the example for Deep Fusion.
1:12:17Was that really the best photo?
1:12:20Well, this is the thing.
1:12:21They were showing something with that image.
1:12:23I'm not sure what.
1:12:24I can't tell what it was they were showing me.
1:12:27It was like one of those things where people in the know
1:12:30were like, oh my God, yeah, look at that. And like people like us, it's like, what am
1:12:35I looking at? What am I supposed to see here? When he zooms in, it's like, oh, you see the
1:12:39knit on the, on the sweater? There's no way, right? We could have got that otherwise. And
1:12:43I'm like, couldn't you? Why not? I don't know. Obviously, can't you see the color of the
1:12:47cotton on his shirt? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's absolutely color texture. Thanks
1:12:52to machine learning. It's like, I'm looking at a dude on a couch. You understand what
1:12:57camera is. What is the steep fusion? What is it Steven? Tell us. Steven, I believe what
1:13:02it's doing is it's taking a bunch of photos all at once and in Apple's normal
1:13:09pipeline is to take a bunch of images and then they merge them together into
1:13:15the image that gets saved to your camera roll. Wasn't that already HDR? Well that
1:13:20and that's using HDR and the ISP and all that stuff to make it happen. I got that part
1:13:25right? Actually, let's explain the difference between pixel by
1:13:28pixel. So the difference seems to be a they're using more using
1:13:34more photos to do it this way. But be the final output is not
1:13:40necessarily a blending of those images, but a new image rendered
1:13:44from the data collected by the sensor going through Apple's
1:13:48machine learning and neural network stuff.
1:13:50Are you sure this is not just a fancy way to use machine learning as an excuse to introduce
1:13:59another new name? It's like, it's a remix of features we've had before, only used to
1:14:04be called Smart HDR. Now it's called Deep Fusion because it went through the machine
1:14:09learning blender and it came out as a new name.
1:14:12That that's always possible. But but in addition to like the color and the HDR stuff, it is
1:14:18using the machine learning and that data collected to deal with noise reduction detail.
1:14:24So the reason I disagree with you, it was a bad example of the photo, because that sweater,
1:14:29what they were trying to show is look at the detail on the threads on his sweater, and
1:14:33those would be muddy otherwise.
1:14:37They didn't do a good job explaining it, and I could be off a little bit, but I think that's
1:14:41the gist of it.
1:14:42They're using the machine learning power on these devices to create an image from the
1:14:47data collected from bunch of different photos with not only a focus on lighting and HDR
1:14:51like they have done, but adding in these other these other elements, adding in the noise
1:14:59reduction and the clarification of details, and it's coming later. So it's another feature
1:15:04that's not going to be ready on day one.
1:15:06See you did a better job at explaining that the field she learned when they were explaining
1:15:11that my brain just went
1:15:13Well, they should have had Dane Riccio explain it probably.
1:15:16What?
1:15:17I think listener Dan would have done a better job.
1:15:20So anyway, not particularly excited, and I very much agree with MKBHD.
1:15:27The features that would have made it pro are not here.
1:15:32No promotion, no USB-C, no reverse wireless charging.
1:15:37I'm not a camera nerd.
1:15:39I tried.
1:15:41we had, you know, oh my God, the name.
1:15:46- Tyler, Tyler Storman.
1:15:48- Tyler, Tyler on the show.
1:15:50I really tried, look, I really tried
1:15:53to understand his lessons and to an extent,
1:15:56I think I did get some of that, but the more I tried,
1:16:00the more I realized I'm just one of those people
1:16:04that taps on the camera icon on the lock screen,
1:16:07takes a photo or a selfie and that's it.
1:16:10I don't have time to frame my photographs.
1:16:13I don't, like, I just want to take a picture
1:16:15of my dog running.
1:16:16That's all I want, or a selfie with my girlfriend.
1:16:19That's all.
1:16:19And so Pro for me is like, Pro camera stuff,
1:16:24great for some people.
1:16:26Okay for me.
1:16:27I would have liked to see something else,
1:16:30like promotion and USB-C, like that would have been amazing.
1:16:33I'm still gonna get it because more battery life.
1:16:36Honestly, that's the most important reason for me.
1:16:39and the better OLED display.
1:16:42I think that's gonna look nice.
1:16:44- And do you mean better than the 11
1:16:46or better than previously?
1:16:48Like what did you mean when you said better?
1:16:51'Cause I know you were saying a minute ago
1:16:52as to whether you would get the Pro
1:16:53if you didn't care about this in the way that you do.
1:16:57- No, I think better in general,
1:16:59better than anything else.
1:17:01But the other stuff,
1:17:04the other thing, no, that's also on the iPhone 11,
1:17:08the new U1 chip.
1:17:10- Yeah, we're gonna get there.
1:17:11- So, yeah.
1:17:12- I wanna talk about the, you touched on this,
1:17:14about the pro naming.
1:17:17And I wanna start this by saying,
1:17:21the name does not bother me that they're using pro.
1:17:24I understand that in Apple's realm,
1:17:27pro just means high end.
1:17:29It doesn't necessarily mean--
1:17:30- I think it is the technology word of choice right now.
1:17:35- Sure. - Right.
1:17:36Both companies are using it.
1:17:37- Well, and Apple's used it for forever, right?
1:17:40The MacBook Pro was out in '06,
1:17:42and we thought it was a stupid name then,
1:17:43but we've gotten used to it.
1:17:44So through this thought exercise,
1:17:49remember that I'm not actually saying
1:17:50that I have a problem with the name,
1:17:51but there are things that Apple could have done
1:17:55to make this more different than the regular iPhone 11.
1:18:00Frederick, you mentioned a couple.
1:18:01ProMotion, which is on the iPads, not on the phones.
1:18:04My assumption is, and maybe someone who knows more
1:18:07could explain this is that driving an OLED display that fast proves problematic.
1:18:14There are a couple devices on the market that do it or do it close to what the
1:18:18iPad does with its LCD but Apple clearly doesn't feel comfortable driving an OLED
1:18:23at those high refresh rates. And Pro, Pro's in the name. Yeah it's right there.
1:18:28It's not it's not 11 motion, it's Pro motion. No USB-C, look there is a fast USB-C
1:18:35charger but it's still lightning on the phone that could have been a way to
1:18:39mark it as its own thing especially in the realm of the camera where Apple's
1:18:45talking about hey look at all these great things you do with this camera
1:18:47yeah you know it makes it a lot easier when you can plug in a USB C audio
1:18:49device or USB C you know external recorder or something yeah just like an
1:18:55easy way to get the photos off of the camera right like a USB Drive no
1:19:00software tweaks remember when the iPhone Plus came out there was some like the
1:19:04Landscape home screen and the two up displays
1:19:06Nothing keeping the pro different from the regular phone software wise
1:19:10Same design as well. You know the iPad Pro. I think we're at least on this show
1:19:16We're pretty unanimous that we really like the design the flat edges
1:19:20That's like an Apple product
1:19:21It's really nice and like an iPhone in that sort of style would be awesome
1:19:26And you could make it very clear that the pro is different than the 11 in that way
1:19:31The reason I think they didn't do those things is
1:19:34The same reason the iPhone 10 R is the 11
1:19:39Apple is trying to realign the product
1:19:43family by saying the iPhone 11 is the one for the masses and
1:19:49The pro is there if you want these extra things
1:19:54Right, and if maybe they would have done too much new stuff. It would have sent the wrong message, right?
1:20:00It would be good point the 11 Pro has all this awesome stuff everybody wants
1:20:06But if you can't afford it we have this other junky phone. That's basically a recycle from last year
1:20:12I like that that makes a lot of sense to me, so I think that's why we're seeing these
1:20:16Closer than what some people thought there's still room in the future for all these things to happen
1:20:21I honestly just like not to get into future pics
1:20:26But I fully expect the next iPhone at some like when they redesign it it will look more like the iPad with flat edges and
1:20:31There's different radiuses and stuff
1:20:34But for now, I think it's in their best interest in their bigger story to keep them a little more closely aligned
1:20:39Is there anything else we want to touch on and do you want chip?
1:20:42Yeah, it's interesting. Apple is showing
1:20:46The u1 is in there and for now, it's going to enable
1:20:51positional airdrop sharing. So in theory the new airdrop screen in iOS 13
1:20:57will populate with contacts depending on where your iPhone 11 is facing.
1:21:02So if both people have an iPhone 11 and they're looking at each other, they will automatically see each other in airdrop
1:21:08because the phones are positioned
1:21:11against each other, they're pointing towards each other.
1:21:14And Apple also says that it will unlock amazing new capabilities, which I mean, of course everybody
1:21:21everybody is thinking about the new trackers, the new Apple tags, which supposedly...
1:21:26Are those amazing capabilities, like knowing where your backpack is? I mean, that would
1:21:30be cool.
1:21:31So I think people are going to like the idea a lot, and I think folks like the tile trackers,
1:21:39but of course, you know, there's always some degree of limitation with using those items
1:21:44as Bluetooth devices with an iPhone. Obviously, the Apple-made version will have like a stronger
1:21:51connection and better system integrations and all that kind of stuff. I talked about
1:21:55this with a couple of friends to sort of try and understand their reactions to the potential
1:22:00of an Apple accessory like that. And they were super excited about the idea of having
1:22:05like an iPhone tag. They called it an iPhone tag to attach to their car keys and wallet
1:22:13or bag. So dog, I think child. Yeah. I don't know. I think co founder, it'll be successful
1:22:20So I think I mean, I think it will be too. I'm very curious as to why we didn't see it.
1:22:29That is the question for me, if the hardware's in the phone, they're teasing that there's
1:22:34things coming like, I think,
1:22:37maybe they just couldn't get enough meantime. So that's, that's the question, right? What
1:22:40ends up with the airport's
1:22:41problem you buy out. So I would imagine when you can go buy this product, you buy more
1:22:46than one, right? Like it's probably in a three pack or five pack or something. They've got
1:22:50to have those on hand. So maybe this is something we see, maybe you could tack this onto the
1:22:53October event pretty easily. It's like, Hey, these are out for the holiday season or will
1:22:57be out for the holiday season in November next month. You can get these because if they're
1:23:02affordable and you get multiple ones, like this is just going to be sort of like a no
1:23:06brainer gift even more so than the AirPods are because the AirPods are expensive. And
1:23:10I'm assuming these will be noticeably less expensive than AirPods. It's like, I feel
1:23:15like when these are here they what are the AirPods $169 like they're not gonna
1:23:22charge that for even five of these. I saw this which was kind of funny to me like like I agree with
1:23:27they should be cheaper but like the the smart keyboard for the new iPad is 40%
1:23:33of the price of the iPad. Of course it is. Right? Yep. It's like. Okay so in my mind I
1:23:39want these to be cheap. Me too like I think you pay like $30 and get three of
1:23:44them. Sure. Like that's what I want to see but who knows. So yeah I'm very curious
1:23:49as to when the other shoe will drop there. Maybe they were supposed to charge
1:23:52wirelessly and they just kept exploding because Apple cannot handle wireless
1:23:56charging capabilities. Something else. Continually shown off by the fact that
1:24:00they don't have the reverse wireless charging in this phone. Something else
1:24:04that's not there. So yeah the U1 I think it's just the beginning of whatever this
1:24:10technology will become for Apple. You want to talk to Stephen? I'm gonna clear the floor for you for a
1:24:14minute because you keep saying in our iMessage thread that you're very confused about this new iPad
1:24:20and an installation to the iPad Air. I just keep thinking about it. You have lots of complex thoughts. Okay, you keep
1:24:25thinking about it. I just keep thinking about this iPad. The iPad, excuse me. I keep thinking about
1:24:31the iPod too, but that's a different story. You can't stop thinking. There's a whole other YouTube channel for that.
1:24:36That's true. So with this iPad, I'm going to say iPod every time now with his iPad,
1:24:44Apple's replaced the old 9.7 inch the $329 iPad that we saw that Chicago event we referenced
1:24:50earlier when it picked up pencil support, it's now 10.2 inches, it picked up smart keyboard
1:24:56support. So it uses the smart keyboard from the 10.5 inch iPad Air. And that is why I keep
1:25:03keep thinking about this is this iPad features the A10 fusion chip same same
1:25:09chip as it did back in Chicago a year and a half ago and when they introduced
1:25:13it slightly better camera but no real improvements to the display so the
1:25:20display is not laminated on this iPad it is a little bit slower than the probably
1:25:28noticeably slower than the iPad Air,
1:25:30which has an A12 Fusion chip in it.
1:25:32So, worse screen, worse processor, slightly smaller,
1:25:38but I don't think anyone side by side
1:25:40could really tell the difference.
1:25:42Like if you're in an Apple store,
1:25:43and these are four feet apart in a table,
1:25:45you're not gonna be able to tell which one's bigger.
1:25:48Same design, Touch ID, Lightning, the old bezels.
1:25:54I just don't know why the iPad Air
1:25:59is still around outside of price.
1:26:01Like I feel like if you go into an Apple store
1:26:03and you don't want an iPad Pro or can't afford it
1:26:06or don't wanna spend the money on it
1:26:07'cause they're really expensive,
1:26:09but you want an iPad with a keyboard and a pencil.
1:26:12Like if you're looking between this and the iPad Air,
1:26:16people are gonna choose this based on price
1:26:18because the size and the speed aren't noticeable
1:26:23when you're just shopping for an iPad sort of casually.
1:26:26And I just, it just seems so strange
1:26:30that Apple has this close of an overlap in products.
1:26:33And they've done it before, they remember for a long time,
1:26:35we argued and debated about what 13-inch laptop
1:26:40you should buy because they had seven of them.
1:26:42Well, they've now done it in the iPad line.
1:26:44- I feel like that's the answer to your question, right?
1:26:48Like why is this happening?
1:26:50Because Apple does this all the time.
1:26:52They just do this.
1:26:53And so I guess, does it come down to that they can't put an A12
1:26:58Fusion in a device that costs $329 or $299 if you're a school?
1:27:02Maybe that's all it is.
1:27:04So I'm going to give you some statistics.
1:27:05We have statistics, all right?
1:27:07So 10.5 versus 10.2, A12 Bionic versus A10 Fusion.
1:27:12The iPad tops out at 128 gigabytes of storage,
1:27:16whilst the Air is at 256.
1:27:20That's kind of like, that's your, that's the tale of the tape.
1:27:24The iPad's a little bit heavier. Um,
1:27:27that's about it for as much as I can see. Oh, laminated display,
1:27:32anti-reflective coating, wide color, and true tone all exist on the air,
1:27:37but not the iPad.
1:27:38So a worse display, a slightly smaller, worse display.
1:27:41So maybe they just can't bring all that down into the price point.
1:27:45And I don't know, it just like,
1:27:47Was this the plan six months ago when they released the iPad Air?
1:27:50The cheap iPad was going to be really close to it in obvious ways, but far from
1:27:55it in non-obvious ways?
1:27:56That's why I keep thinking about it.
1:27:57It's like, it's a very strange moment because the iPad line made sense.
1:28:00Like for the first time in a long time, it all made sense.
1:28:04And then they went and did this and now it doesn't make sense anymore.
1:28:06Oh my God.
1:28:08The, the FaceTime camera on the iPad, 1.2 megapixel.
1:28:13Oh, that's, that's good.
1:28:14Hmm.
1:28:15Nice.
1:28:16God if you ever want to take a picture on a postage stamp, then that one's covered for you. Yeah Wow
1:28:22That is what they call an ultra wide camera
1:28:25Yeah, I understand what you're saying but like to me it really just feels like they want to modernize the iPad but still want to
1:28:35Keep it
1:28:36They still want to keep it cheap
1:28:37Yes what they're doing and I guess I would argue
1:28:39Do it the inside out of what you did put a nicer display on it, but keep it smaller
1:28:43I don't know they've made their decisions. They said I think they said it was the best-selling iPad this year
1:28:49Yeah, like that's a thing. Well schools buy them in bulk
1:28:53So I guess that tips of scales well, but maybe that's maybe that's what drives it right like if it's like well
1:28:58This is a crappy iPad comparatively, but it still sells the best
1:29:01Well, we should try and make that experience as good as we can. Mm-hmm. So that's how they end up in this situation
1:29:06That's what I said. I'm not confused by it. It's just like it's just a change. I didn't really
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1:31:01Apple watch series 5 so it had what we expected which is new materials new case materials
1:31:07so titanium in two finishes a kind of silver like a just natural and a space grey ceramic
1:31:15white and the but the big thing the big difference is the always on display did not think that
1:31:24was going to happen yeah right yeah that one's a big surprise like a feature that I'd basically
1:31:31thought was never going to happen because they hadn't done it by now and it didn't and
1:31:35you know it didn't there were no rumors so it's like well if it's not this year what
1:31:38year would it possibly be well it turns out it was this year we just didn't know.
1:31:43And it happened before sleep tracking.
1:31:47Yeah that didn't happen did it?
1:31:49Got an always on display before sleep tracking which was the hot rumor going into the keynote
1:31:54for the Apple watch didn't happen I was very surprised I am I saw I watched some some videos
1:32:00regarding how the watch faces they switch between the always-on mode and
1:32:07the actual full brightness mode, and Apple is doing some interesting things
1:32:11to switch some UI elements from white to black, because black of course on a
1:32:16knowledge display turns off the pixels, therefore allows the watch to have a
1:32:20dimmed version of the watch face that shows the time but doesn't use the full
1:32:25color and the full brightness to conserve battery life. I am very keen to
1:32:30play with this because I was not expecting this feature at all. I'm also glad that it
1:32:36can be disabled because some people actually want their watches to be off when they're
1:32:42not in use. So, possibly my favorite surprise of the event.
1:32:47Because it was the big surprise, right? Like, nobody saw this coming. Like, this was not
1:32:53a rumor that people were putting any hope into.
1:32:57some people are surprised for Deep Fusion.
1:33:01That's true.
1:33:02That is true.
1:33:03I'm both surprised and confused about Deep Fusion.
1:33:07Another change they made that I think is really positive is that when you buy one in the store
1:33:12or even online, they still pair watches and bands and suggested pairings.
1:33:18But you can just say, "Hey, I want to pick my own."
1:33:20And then you pick the watch size, the case material, and the band all separately.
1:33:26This was sort of hinted at last year, the Series 4, when you unboxed it, the watch and
1:33:32the band were separate.
1:33:33And people were thinking, "Okay, Apple's gonna slowly divide these things up."
1:33:37I think this is great.
1:33:38My guess is that a lot of Apple Watch people, including my wife who has an Apple Watch,
1:33:44she actually didn't like the band it came with and has switched to another one and now
1:33:49just has an extra band.
1:33:51And I think this will kind of cut down on that for some people.
1:33:55I think it's a great move for a fashion device that you can more easily mix and match those
1:34:00things.
1:34:01I think a lot of people will take advantage of that.
1:34:02Yeah, I think that this is a much needed change to make to the Apple Watch line because it
1:34:08is a customizable device, right?
1:34:10They said that because they're most personable device.
1:34:17Can't do that, clearly.
1:34:19And it makes a lot of sense that now people can just choose whatever they want because
1:34:23end up with maybe something that you don't necessarily need a combo that you don't necessarily
1:34:28desire.
1:34:29You know, like if you don't want to level loop, it's like, well, what else am I going
1:34:31to get?
1:34:32So I think this is a cool, a cool way to sell the product going forward.
1:34:36The other thing I wanted to mention is if you go to the Apple watch site, Apple watch
1:34:42edition is back.
1:34:43The name is back.
1:34:45So the Apple watch series five is aluminum, aluminum steel, but they have grouped ceramic
1:34:51and brushed titanium as Apple watch edition which is not a name I thought we'd ever see
1:34:56again but there it is it's got its own URL and everything.
1:35:02One of and the other thing is interesting is like one of the old editions is actually
1:35:06back as well.
1:35:08The ceramic was on the series one or the series two maybe or series three it was gone for
1:35:14a while.
1:35:15One was the gold one and then two I believe was the ceramics.
1:35:20Zero, zero was the gold one.
1:35:23One and two came out at the same time and then there was three which added LTE and then
1:35:29four.
1:35:30Anyway the ceramics been gone for a little while now it's back and I think it looks really
1:35:33good.
1:35:34It's really expensive.
1:35:35Both of these are priced well above the stainless steel but you have a lot of options if you
1:35:40want them.
1:35:41the titanium it's about the same price isn't it depending on the it depends on
1:35:48the band that you go for I think maybe well anyway you can get stainless steel
1:35:53for $7.99 right and that's what the titanium starts at okay $7.99 I think it
1:35:59depends on the watch band that you go for but they're within a realm of each
1:36:03other it's confusing because Apple is still pairing them with different bands
1:36:08I'm trying to work this out. You can get stainless steel, looks like it starts at
1:36:13$6.99 if you get it with a sport loop. That's it. It starts at $6.99 with a sport loop.
1:36:18Titanium starts at $7.99 with a sport loop. So it's $100 more expensive to get titanium.
1:36:25And the ceramic starts at $12.99 with a sport loop.
1:36:28Yes, yes. It's the pricey one. Yep. Should we... Have we all made our decisions about
1:36:38about what we will and won't be purchasing from this event.
1:36:41Yeah.
1:36:41Or like what at least what least our ideals are.
1:36:44I mean, if any of us wanted to get Apple
1:36:46watches, we could have already made our orders, which was a big surprise.
1:36:49Right. You could just order immediately after the event.
1:36:51I was terrified that we're going to do that with the iPhone as well.
1:36:53It's like, I'm not ready.
1:36:55I'm not I'm not I'm not doing that anymore.
1:36:58Too much stress.
1:37:00And I don't need any more of that in my life. Yeah.
1:37:03I've had so much bad luck over the past over the past three years.
1:37:08with launch day iPhones that I'm just giving up.
1:37:11I wanna avoid that whole pressure
1:37:15of making sure that I get it on day one
1:37:17because if I don't get a,
1:37:20well, if I don't get a review unit, right,
1:37:23at that point, other people have already
1:37:28published their thoughts before me.
1:37:31So I am under no extremely important time pressure
1:37:36to publish my thoughts or talk about it.
1:37:38Right, but that's not the only reason you want to get one on the Watch TV.
1:37:42Yeah, but I think I learned to be patient, honestly.
1:37:46And maybe I can be patient, because these are not like the iPhone X,
1:37:54like when it came out that I was super anxious to get one.
1:37:56Yes, I remember that.
1:37:58It was that hot new thing.
1:38:00I mean, I did arrange with the UPS guy to meet somewhere in Rome
1:38:05while he was delivering other packages so that he could deliver my iPhone X by hand.
1:38:09And maybe so, being able to wait is a byproduct of "I'm not terribly excited to get this phone
1:38:18that looks like the phone that I've been using for two years and something". But yeah, I think
1:38:25I'm gonna be fine, even if I don't get it on day one. I'm probably gonna wait until sometime in
1:38:30in early October or something to get it. I'm under no rush, really.
1:38:37You're not going to even attempt to order at the pre-order time?
1:38:39No, no no, no no. Nope. I know what I want, but I'm gonna wait.
1:38:44Wow, okay. What do you want then?
1:38:47Well I want the iPhone 11 Pro Max, the 256GB of storage because the 512 is just too much.
1:38:57Yeah, I looked at mine and I'm using half of my 256, so I'm still good.
1:39:01Yeah, exactly. Space gray, clear case.
1:39:03So going pretty standard there. Or maybe silver.
1:39:08See, I know that I want a clear case. I don't want gold, I don't want green.
1:39:13I can decide between space gray and silver.
1:39:16Maybe. And then I want the Apple Watch Series 5 44 millimeters ceramic.
1:39:23because I really wanted the ceramic when it was available a few years ago
1:39:27I didn't get it and I'm gonna get it this time because I always loved its look
1:39:32and I think I'm going ceramic. If I don't go ceramic
1:39:35my second option is titanium
1:39:38but I think I'm gonna go ceramic. Do you know
1:39:42what band you would ideally like to pair with your ceramic
1:39:46Apple Watch? I don't know
1:39:49some of the new ones. I think at start I'll probably just get a white one like the standard...
1:39:56The white sport loop with the white... Yeah. It looks amazing. It looks so good. Yeah,
1:40:02I'm probably gonna get the one. But you know what else looks pretty good? I've been doing this.
1:40:06All of the black bands like the Milanese and the stainless steel DLC coated. That looks very good
1:40:18with the, uh, with the ceramic Apple watch, at least in the configurator and to my
1:40:24personal style, I think it's a cool look, very stormtrooper.
1:40:27Right?
1:40:28That's the star war.
1:40:29Yeah, I know.
1:40:31Uh, Steven.
1:40:32So for the phone, uh, I'm going to be ordering the iPhone 11 pro I left the max
1:40:39club and I'm not, not looking to go back 256.
1:40:43Same, same reason y'all said mine is I've got about 200 gigs with the stuff on my
1:40:47phones. I definitely don't need the 512. I'm gonna go silver again. I've been
1:40:51silver now several times in a row. I just don't like the black stainless look. I
1:40:56like the sort of raw stainless edges and I have a black leather case coming on
1:41:04Friday because you can order those now and they're shipping now so I'll have my
1:41:07case this week. At this point I'm not ordering an Apple Watch. We've talked
1:41:11about this. I don't wear it every day and the Series 4 still meets my needs so
1:41:16I'm going to be holding off on the series 5 for now.
1:41:20I'm going to be 256 gigabytes on the iPhone 11 Pro Max in gold.
1:41:25My clear case is on the way.
1:41:28I don't know when I'm going to get the phone because I'm going to be in America on launch
1:41:34day.
1:41:35I'm going to try and get one.
1:41:37I don't know if it's possible for me to order one.
1:41:41I don't think it is, but like, can I pre-order an iPhone to pick up in America if I order
1:41:49an apple.com?
1:41:50Am I allowed to do that?
1:41:52I don't know.
1:41:53I've thought about this, um, that maybe someone here has to order it for you, but you have
1:41:57to order an unlocked one, which you can do on day one this time.
1:42:00You can do unlock SIM free.
1:42:02I was thinking and like me and you need to have a, maybe a conversation about how we
1:42:06can make that happen but like it is possible for somebody in Memphis to just arrange one for me.
1:42:12Yeah I don't know anyone in Memphis.
1:42:15Yeah imagine such a thing if that could occur because it'd be great if we both had funds.
1:42:20I will be buying one for Adina as well she's gonna get the regular size because she's a couple of
1:42:26years from her upgrade so she's really excited about that. I want to try on the
1:42:35ceramic Apple watch. What? Yeah. So here's my thinking on this. Right? Yeah flip-flopping.
1:42:42No no, I've always wanted the ceramic one because I think it's beautiful.
1:42:48I buy watches that I think look beautiful, I think this looks beautiful,
1:42:51they fixed my main problem. If I was ever gonna wear it for any period of time
1:42:55Even for just like a day. I would want the face to always be visible. They fixed that that was one of my biggest problems
1:43:02and so I'm wondering like maybe for a combination of like
1:43:05Health stuff because that's gonna be a thing for me once my back is fixed
1:43:10I'm gonna
1:43:12that is my next kind of avenue that I want to attack in my life and
1:43:16Maybe for some other reasons that I would want to wear an Apple watch, right?
1:43:21they exist, but one of the main reasons I didn't want to wear it is because its primary
1:43:26function for me is telling the time and I couldn't get that. Like you can go back a
1:43:30few weeks ago like I said that. I mean and then so with a combination of that and basically
1:43:36turning off pretty much all notifications, I think I would be happy with wearing one
1:43:42and I think that this watch looks really nice. I'm not ordering one, I want to go and try
1:43:45it on and see if I like it as much as I think I will and then I'll maybe make the decision.
1:43:51if if I were going to buy an Apple watch I would my serious for is the dark aluminum and
1:43:57I really actually liked the the lack of weight with the aluminum and the
1:44:02Taptic motor is much better
1:44:05But I always wore stainless steel before this and I really missed that look so if I were to do this
1:44:11I would probably go back to stainless steel
1:44:13I don't care for the brushed look on the titanium and the ceramic looks amazing, but I'm not spending that kind of money so
1:44:19If I were to do it, I would do stainless steel again
1:44:22We'll find out I'm hoping that like I'll be able to travel on I wonder if I
1:44:29Don't know if anybody knows it
1:44:31I haven't seen it yet
1:44:32Like if these are gonna start showing up in stores soon for try-ons if you're gonna order them already
1:44:37I don't I don't know. I think if I remember correctly in the past
1:44:43No, the watches and the phones don't show up until they're actually the day they're for sale
1:44:48So you first time except the first time yeah, but past that I don't I think it is
1:44:54It's been once they're actually available to like walk out of the store with them
1:45:00So but if we order phones and go pick them up, then you could try them try it that that morning at the store
1:45:05If someone if it's gonna have you know, we'll have to find somebody
1:45:10Yeah, hopefully somebody but at least if I even if I can't get a phone I can at least try on the Apple watches
1:45:15Mm-hmm, and then we'll have to hope that you can get a phone too
1:45:18And but I will get one when I return like I will try my best to make an order to get phones for when I return
1:45:23As well, so and then just return whatever I don't need
1:45:27All right
1:45:29I think that wraps it up for this week's episode of connected if you want to find show notes for this episode you can go
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1:45:55and to you for listening. If you want to find Federico online, he is @fatici and @maxstories.net
1:46:01and many other shows here in relay FM and also app stories as well.
1:46:05I really enjoyed the despair and the discovery that came in the Shershi episode
1:46:11as the two of you were going through that and finding all the
1:46:14it was just very funny to me when you were making fun of John
1:46:18for all of the things in his Shershi and then you realized
1:46:21there were things in yours that you couldn't explain.
1:46:23Oh, my God. That was a good episode.
1:46:25Still hasn't been fixed. So thank you.
1:46:27And you both gave me the absolute life hack of removing messages from the share sheet because it's not needed anymore
1:46:33Exactly. So these are the types of things
1:46:36stories great show great show and Steven is
1:46:39ISMH and he is the host of also many shows on relay FM like me
1:46:45Mac power users this weekend episode 500 right? That's right weekend. Yeah, we recorded it over the summer at max.com
1:46:53I sat down interview David and
1:46:56Can't wait for that. I'm about three quarters of the way through the edit and I'm really happy with it. So
1:47:00Check it out. It'll be up on Sunday afternoon and
1:47:04I am at I'm like I am yke and I have nothing of note to tell you
1:47:09Nothing
1:47:12We'll be back next time
1:47:14I'll be in Memphis and then we'll be doing the podcast with on on the 20th. Don't forget. Goodbye everybody. I do this to adios