184: Procedural Marriage Mistakes

0:00:00it's the special episode time was doing

0:00:01special episode of directives most topic

0:00:05I don't know what the one

0:00:06what the hell's the topic ever on that

0:00:08show your libido mosquito your libido

0:00:13yep that was a smells like teen spirit

0:00:16for those keeping track

0:00:18smells like teen spirit was a band no it

0:00:21was what was the song by the band

0:00:24Nirvana i'm aware of the song yeah and

0:00:26in that song they were lyrics that

0:00:28rhymed a lot and I said one of them and

0:00:31that was a reference John is explaining

0:00:33Nirvana to us

0:00:35I've made the reference you had no

0:00:36reaction that I explained the reference

0:00:37came from still no reaction i feel like

0:00:39i have to go deeper

0:00:40I didn't think it was funny enough to

0:00:41react to music is like a series of

0:00:44sounds that people find please call us

0:00:46at this episode is gonna go

0:00:48is this how it's going to start it is

0:00:52August we just recorded a show two days

0:00:54ago and we're recording again due to

0:00:56this time is my vacation schedule for

0:00:58once

0:00:58nothing really has happened I mean if

0:01:01some some things have happened like in

0:01:03the world but nothing really has

0:01:04happened in tech with the exception that

0:01:06we have some Twitter update that's kind

0:01:09of interesting but other than that what

0:01:11else is going on

0:01:12can we can we dig a little deeper in

0:01:14this vacation thing you speak up how do

0:01:15you know whether or not you're on

0:01:17vacation just whether or not you wake up

0:01:18in your own bed

0:01:19oh wow yeah that is how this episode is

0:01:24gonna be yeah yeah yeah so let me

0:01:27rephrase by saying i'll be out of town

0:01:28dogs they're so yes i'll be out of town

0:01:35next week

0:01:37are you taking adam with you because

0:01:38that's how you can tell right actually

0:01:40that's true and the whole family is

0:01:42going including

0:01:43perhaps oh it hops interest and hops

0:01:47yeah I already said he willing to share

0:01:49where you're going would you rather keep

0:01:50that close to the best we're going to

0:01:51the beach for you know just like what

0:01:53everyone else does it and we figure it's

0:01:54not hot enough here we need to go

0:01:56somewhere a little bit hotter can tell

0:01:58you all about hot these days

0:01:59actually today wasn't terrible is only

0:02:01about 90 95 and I don't know what that

0:02:02is in Celsius because I believe in units

0:02:04to make sense anyway we should probably

0:02:06start with some follow-up now that I've

0:02:07given everyone at least a little bit of

0:02:09grief market just dropped into second

0:02:12ago twitter has enabled the quality

0:02:15filter for everyone and as far as we can

0:02:17tell it's the same quality filter that

0:02:19verified users get but I I don't think

0:02:22mark when i noticed this but we have

0:02:24just confirmed it i think john is the

0:02:26one that noticed this it is on by

0:02:28default which is super interesting and

0:02:31not the case for verified users so

0:02:33verified users who have not turn this on

0:02:35they wouldn't have this on in and Marco

0:02:39looked at the overcast account which is

0:02:40verified and in your quality filter is

0:02:42not on is that correct yeah basically

0:02:44like if if you if you have the setting

0:02:46before it will keep your setting even if

0:02:50you never touched it so it's not like

0:02:51it's like a triple state like you know

0:02:5210 or no kind of thing where like no

0:02:55would just be the default it's not that

0:02:56it's actually like if you had before and

0:02:59you didn't set it you have it off now

0:03:00and it doesn't matter anyway so this is

0:03:03great news because this is exactly what

0:03:05we were complaining about last episode

0:03:07and last we talked about this also why

0:03:10wouldn't you have this available for

0:03:11everybody and last episode I even said

0:03:14like you know I'd even go as far as to

0:03:16say that this should be on by default

0:03:17and when I was saying that I had no hope

0:03:21that they would actually ever to this

0:03:23both making the film making the feature

0:03:26available for everybody and also making

0:03:27it on by default either of those things

0:03:29would have shocked me to have them both

0:03:31happen and from 2 to both happened very

0:03:33quickly

0:03:34it's a pretty major step and first of

0:03:36all it's a little bit of a slap in the

0:03:38face that like apparently there was no

0:03:40reason really why they couldn't have

0:03:41done for everybody already like before

0:03:44this but ok when it lets you know set

0:03:46that aside for now we have it now so you

0:03:49know positive thoughts we have it now

0:03:50this is very good this is way better

0:03:52than I expected

0:03:53this is a sign that maybe maybe twitter

0:03:56is starting to take

0:03:57their abuse problems and they're

0:03:59trolling problems and they're just

0:04:00general jerkiness problems maybe they're

0:04:02starting to take that a little more

0:04:03seriously and you know honestly maybe

0:04:06not this could be just like an easy

0:04:08quick fix they just threw out there

0:04:10because they had it ready but even doing

0:04:12this is a big step and if it bodes well

0:04:15for for future steps in this direction

0:04:17additional steps in this direction

0:04:18that's good too so I i'm hopeful about

0:04:22I'm kind of a little bit reserved in

0:04:23that but I'm hopeful that Twitter is

0:04:26starting to really care about this

0:04:27problem and then take steps to to

0:04:29improve their service for everybody and

0:04:31not just celebrities

0:04:33yep John your thoughts now the verified

0:04:36thing is still out there like the idea

0:04:37that if you have an account that

0:04:39frequently people are impersonating you

0:04:41and and stirring things up by tweeting

0:04:43things to pretend to be you that people

0:04:44then retweeted screenshot and thank you

0:04:47said and come back you know like the

0:04:48whole the idea of verifying yes this is

0:04:51the i am really the person with this

0:04:53name and this you know picture and

0:04:56there's all these attributes that should

0:04:58still be open even though the quality

0:05:00filter is open to everybody so is there

0:05:01still a ways to go with that and like

0:05:03the quality filter it's the type of

0:05:05thing where they totally could like it

0:05:06already featured exists in some ways

0:05:08it's easier to enable for everybody's in

0:05:10some ways it's harder because there is

0:05:12that human component of verifying your

0:05:13identity or whatever and as we said in

0:05:16the past you'll find charge money for it

0:05:17or something like that but it

0:05:19verification continues to be the

0:05:22appstore of twitter where rejections

0:05:25don't make any sense and no one can

0:05:26figure it out and it's all mysterious

0:05:28like what we recently the ATP FM account

0:05:30got rejected for verification

0:05:32I saw a couple other puzzling rejections

0:05:35Butler and people other people are

0:05:37getting verified so no one knows how it

0:05:38works anyway that's that's the next

0:05:40stepping stone in easy things Twitter

0:05:43could have done a long time ago but

0:05:44didn't

0:05:44yeah and also you know to give them

0:05:47credit also you know the the whole

0:05:49verified status is problematic as we

0:05:52discussed before and you know one of my

0:05:54core arguments about verified being a

0:05:56problem was you know it was it was more

0:05:59okay when it was only about identity

0:06:02verification and it's it starts becoming

0:06:04increasingly problematic as features or

0:06:08status are tied to it and so what

0:06:10they've done

0:06:10here is they just removed a major

0:06:13feature that was exclusive to verify

0:06:15people before and they made available

0:06:17for everybody so it has it has taken a

0:06:18big chunk out of the out of the problem

0:06:20the problems are still there

0:06:22there are still lots of other problems

0:06:23with verifies that is being what it is

0:06:25and bring what it does and having this

0:06:27weird inconsistent you know subjective

0:06:29review process but removing a major

0:06:32feature of it as an exclusive and making

0:06:34it available to everybody is a big step

0:06:35in the right direction the sounds

0:06:37excellent

0:06:38John you are poorer in the last few days

0:06:42then you were the few days prior would

0:06:44you like to tell us about that

0:06:46yeah i finally bought a camera I don't

0:06:48hate you

0:06:49discussions about that shows no big

0:06:51surprise about the camera that we have

0:06:53been talking about the camera that i

0:06:54tested for a week

0:06:56the camera was pretty much a no-brainer

0:06:57for me you know because like it i I'd

0:07:00and as many people as soon as i

0:07:01mentioned cameras all the camera people

0:07:02wrote and tell me all the different

0:07:04cameras they like it was good to hear

0:07:05different people stories about what they

0:07:06liked about their camera some people

0:07:08trying to sell me a micro four-thirds

0:07:09some people trying to sell me on the

0:07:10aps-c Fugees and you know the

0:07:13availability of lenses and how cheap

0:07:15they are and how good quality they are

0:07:16in this is a lots of different arguments

0:07:18on on all sides but the you know the

0:07:21sony is the is the devil I know sort of

0:07:23and it has several attributes that area

0:07:25like specifically in terms of first

0:07:27photos for action shots and how good it

0:07:29is at finding focus very quickly we

0:07:31should point out once again you have

0:07:32again failed to mention the model number

0:07:34it is the sony a6300 hundred right i

0:07:36mentioned that before

0:07:37yeah x3 lot of this episode I was

0:07:40sitting here waiting to get into the

0:07:41shadows waiting and waiting and waiting

0:07:43and waiting

0:07:44you already know right yeah and the

0:07:46small size because a lot of the other

0:07:48aps-c cameras like oh it's also an aps-c

0:07:50but the Saudis are really very small on

0:07:52and that that accounts for everyone uses

0:07:54not quite ready to sign up for the big

0:07:56giant camera sony lenses are the

0:07:58situation is not as great as other

0:08:00cameras i acknowledge that was my most

0:08:02difficult part i knew i was going to get

0:08:03the body i got the body without any

0:08:04lenses i know i didn't want the kit lens

0:08:06because i had it and it's not great

0:08:08that's I decide what I was going to get

0:08:10the easiest and the first lens purchase

0:08:12I'd i got was the 50 millimeter 1.8 that

0:08:17Sony cells because i had rented that i

0:08:19used it i used to take pictures of

0:08:20people's face people's faces indoors

0:08:22with low light and i got

0:08:23a lot of good pictures out of it and i

0:08:24really liked it and yes many good point

0:08:26out 15 years is a little bit close yet

0:08:28don't get a backup a lot to get people

0:08:31from the right way an indoor environment

0:08:32but that's somewhat problematic but the

0:08:35thing is a tutu barks this one the sony

0:08:3835 any other 35 so I saw were all not as

0:08:41good lenses as the 50 in terms of

0:08:44optical quality and you know if it has

0:08:46stabilization all these other things the

0:08:4850 was the you know they were not as

0:08:49good lenses and they cost similar amount

0:08:51so you can expect $350 for worse

0:08:5335-millimeter I'd rather spend fifty

0:08:55dollars on a better 50 and the second

0:08:57part is I like to create candid shots

0:09:00and like posed shots that much and

0:09:01having a little bit of extra zooms even

0:09:03indoors lets you get a nice good head

0:09:05and shoulders portrait of someone you

0:09:08know laughing in a natural way when they

0:09:10don't know you're taking a picture if

0:09:11you're not right in their face so I like

0:09:13the 50 even if it is slightly

0:09:15challenging in some situations and i

0:09:17really like the pictures that come out

0:09:18of it and then the next one I got my

0:09:20waffles over a long time but eventually

0:09:23pull the trigger is the really flat

0:09:2520-millimeter pancake lens nice is not a

0:09:28not a great lens and it's pretty

0:09:30expensive for what you get but in the

0:09:32end I had to say look you can't argue

0:09:33with the the size it makes the camera

0:09:35much smaller much lighter it's not a bad

0:09:38lens it's just it's not probably worth

0:09:40the money I paid for it but I got that

0:09:42and I also got a bunch of lens

0:09:43protectors which is not a thing that I

0:09:44thought about before i read a couple

0:09:46articles and I call you always get lunch

0:09:47partner like you know what it is easier

0:09:49to clean the lens protector and it's the

0:09:50Quinlan's I imagine there if there's

0:09:52dirt online protected it's worse than it

0:09:54is during the line so maybe I'll come to

0:09:56regret this but the cheap side bottom

0:09:57and I'm gonna give that a go and I were

0:10:00taking pictures just find trying to find

0:10:02excuses to take pictures but the the

0:10:03stuff around the house and everything

0:10:04I've been playing with the I auto focus

0:10:08on us that you have that assigned to one

0:10:10of the buttons on your camera marco i

0:10:12have not assigned to a but my camera

0:10:13does have the iphone case i tried for a

0:10:15few days upfront the end of turning it

0:10:19off because sometimes like you know that

0:10:22like most autofocus systems if you're

0:10:24holding the the shutter that you know

0:10:26that the trigger button down and it

0:10:28doesn't have focus it will wait until it

0:10:30does have focused before it shoots the

0:10:31picture and there were a couple of

0:10:33instances where I missed a shot that I

0:10:35could have gotten

0:10:37because it had focused distance wise but

0:10:40had not found the I in time and it was

0:10:42just a second too late finding the eye

0:10:44and that that like medium shot so I

0:10:47turned it off and i have experimented

0:10:48with it since then that was a long time

0:10:49ago and have been number firmware

0:10:51updates instance maybe I should try it

0:10:52but so they're mine and probably yours

0:10:54as well has you can adjust that of like

0:10:57what has priority should i take the

0:10:58picture when you push the button or

0:10:59should not take the picture until you

0:11:01have focused and there's like three or

0:11:02four settings in that round but you know

0:11:04the extremes of the range are looking I

0:11:05i press the button text picture

0:11:06regardless whether you focus the other

0:11:08extreme is never take the picture until

0:11:09you have focus and the other thing with

0:11:11autofocus it's weird on this camera

0:11:13because there's it's not assigned

0:11:14anything by default so you wouldn't even

0:11:15know the future exist unless you a

0:11:16custom assign it to a button and I

0:11:18assigned it to about me you have to hold

0:11:19down so i'm holding the shutter and then

0:11:22my thumb is pressing the I autofocus and

0:11:24if it doesn't find and I I just like go

0:11:26back to regular you know portrait thing

0:11:27I you can tell the green circles on

0:11:29their face it's like I found the face

0:11:31I'm gonna take a picture of it but if I

0:11:33tap push down the little I autofocus

0:11:35thing it doesn't immediately find an eye

0:11:36then I'm like I will forget about that

0:11:38but it doesn't really find an eye and

0:11:40keep that held down it will track that

0:11:41eyeball as the person moves pretty

0:11:42amazing and here the future the cameras

0:11:45have been hilarious up yes probably has

0:11:47it too is a facial recognition and

0:11:51ranking so you take small pictures of

0:11:53everyone in your family like their face

0:11:54looking at the camera and the camera

0:11:56remembers them and with you all three of

0:11:58them are in the frame it will prioritize

0:12:00them in the order that you select who's

0:12:02going to be in focus

0:12:03wow it's pretty grim when you think

0:12:05about it like Sorry Sorry second child

0:12:07you're not as important as you have to

0:12:08take in order right but if you think

0:12:10about it it's actually you shouldn't

0:12:12think about in terms of taking pictures

0:12:13of your family think about it like

0:12:14taking a picture of like you go on a

0:12:15trip to New York City you want to take a

0:12:17picture of your kid on York City Street

0:12:18it won't accidentally grabbed focus on a

0:12:20stranger was walking by right it will

0:12:22always prioritize your kid looking at

0:12:24you and never accidentally grabbed focus

0:12:26on someone else so lots of cool

0:12:27software-based features that are all

0:12:29really fast and really good

0:12:31that's probably why this thing its

0:12:32batteries and sorry I really do I really

0:12:35am happy with the the body of the camera

0:12:37the lens situations a little grim

0:12:39probably going to rent zoom for my

0:12:43education now and if we like it we'll

0:12:45probably buy it but no zooms out there

0:12:47are calling out to me in terms of price

0:12:50performance

0:12:50I think we'll end up with is a way to

0:12:52expensive like that uh that 17 to

0:12:55whatever it is 17 270 thing that's not a

0:12:59great lens but it's very compact very

0:13:01versatile and then maybe something with

0:13:04like a 300 millimeter range that's just

0:13:05actually a crappy camera but it gives

0:13:07the maximum range on it

0:13:08I don't know anyway I think about

0:13:10off-camera crap for a while so it's all

0:13:11that's anyone askin I taking pictures of

0:13:14course taking pictures of my family

0:13:16playing pokemon go against what they do

0:13:17when we're all homes that go out for

0:13:19walks and capture Pokemon and taking

0:13:23pictures in the supermarket and

0:13:24generally and being annoying to my kids

0:13:25and just trying out the camera but lots

0:13:27of fun i'm happy with it like i said in

0:13:2934 years old just buy a full-frame

0:13:31camera

0:13:32yeah so a couple of notes first of all

0:13:34good call on the pancake lens the

0:13:3620-millimeter pancake I i wish that lens

0:13:39was available in full frame but it's not

0:13:41so i can't really use it but we for our

0:13:455d mark two that we've had our big

0:13:47camera for a long time ever since they

0:13:49came out until I got this camera a

0:13:51couple years back when it came out we

0:13:52got the cannon 40-millimeter EF pancake

0:13:54and that is a great lens and take a

0:13:56hundred and fifty bucks and its really

0:13:58good quality lens and it's incredibly

0:14:01small and the effect that a very small

0:14:03light lens has on the way your camera

0:14:06feels and how just how how you handle it

0:14:09where you bring it how often you bring

0:14:11it it's a massive difference and so I

0:14:14strongly suggest if anybody has has a

0:14:16camera that then and you don't have any

0:14:19really small like pancake or

0:14:20pancake-like lenses just get one and try

0:14:23it because you will bring your camera

0:14:25more places you'll be amazed how how

0:14:27much of a difference it makes if you

0:14:29have a cannon

0:14:30I think they recently made a second

0:14:32pancake have been paying that much

0:14:33attention i think there's that there's a

0:14:34a wider angle one like somewhere in the

0:14:37twenties but there's the 40 millimeter

0:14:39pancake it's fantastic and whatever pain

0:14:42tends to become popular last you know

0:14:43five years or so so whatever system you

0:14:46have

0:14:47look for the pancake lens in a somewhat

0:14:49wide focal length and use it and you'll

0:14:52be you'll be very surprised how good it

0:14:54is and how easy just to carry your

0:14:57camera and with it and in fact for that

0:14:58reason my camera like I have I have the

0:15:01the 35 2.84

0:15:04I'm 55 1.8 and the 90 macro in the sony

0:15:08fe line and i almost always have a

0:15:1235-millimeter 2.8 on there because it is

0:15:14just so small it is not a pancake lens

0:15:17it is it is not quite that that short

0:15:20distance wise but it is it is still very

0:15:23small and just did the difference that

0:15:26makes on how the camera feels just

0:15:28immense they've been saying so

0:15:29definitely get a pancake lens if you can

0:15:32secondly i will point out also that I'm

0:15:36kind of surprised you picked this camera

0:15:37based on our discussions because for

0:15:41what for what you wanted which is like

0:15:43you basically wanted superzoom

0:15:45replacement and this isn't that you know

0:15:48sony has the rx10 and there are many

0:15:50other brands that have that has two

0:15:52presumes as well many of which are very

0:15:53good and all of our listeners wrote in

0:15:56to say that the micro four-thirds was

0:15:59and that i think some people my point

0:16:01about fuji x4 this attribute as well but

0:16:03especially micro four-thirds was very

0:16:05good for zoom lenses because of the

0:16:07smaller sensors and therefore having had

0:16:09been able to have smaller lenses and

0:16:11less complex lenses for big zoom reach

0:16:14so I'm kind of surprised you didn't go

0:16:16with that for that reason all these

0:16:18systems have these different pluses and

0:16:19minuses as well as we discussed micro

0:16:22four-thirds really excels in in things

0:16:24being generally little bit cheaper lens

0:16:26be a little cheaper a lot a lot more

0:16:28lens choices it's been around for so

0:16:30long and so many different brands make

0:16:31the lenses for it

0:16:32sony really excels in sensor quality and

0:16:36recently in focus advances autofocus

0:16:39advances in Maryland but its overall

0:16:42it's only really especially excels in

0:16:44having really amazing sensors getting

0:16:46lots of megapixels with very low noise

0:16:48an incredible dynamic range being able

0:16:51to capture sony just kicks butt in that

0:16:53area and where Sony is fall short is

0:16:57some of the kind of pro eat type

0:17:00handling stuff and also lends zoom

0:17:04lenses in particular like Sony the the

0:17:06primes that are available for sony

0:17:08camera especially full-frame ones are

0:17:10generally amazing they're a little

0:17:11expensive but they're generally amazing

0:17:13zooms are have always been so knees weak

0:17:16point that the sony lineup has

0:17:17had fairly mediocre zoom lenses and most

0:17:20of the time they're like there's now

0:17:22very recently has been a couple of

0:17:24extremely high end ones that are huge

0:17:26heavy and very expensive and in the new

0:17:27sony g master line but basically

0:17:30everything below that has been really

0:17:32hit or miss mostly miss so I'm a little

0:17:34bit surprised you picked it

0:17:36given all that well so i guess i looked

0:17:39at super Zoomers first before i was even

0:17:41considering all this like better camera

0:17:43thing because thatthat's all my wife's

0:17:44thing like hey what she wants a better

0:17:45camera right i was just like well my

0:17:47super Zoomers getting kind of old maybe

0:17:48look at another one and I looked at all

0:17:50the super Zoomers they're out there and

0:17:51they all seem like worse overall then my

0:17:55camera like they were better in many

0:17:56ways but also works in ways that I

0:17:57didn't like it

0:17:58zoom wasn't as big or like the rx10 like

0:18:00that thing's gigantic throughout how big

0:18:01that is it is huge and they didn't I was

0:18:04on my things I didn't want to be too big

0:18:05i didn't want to spend $1,500 for non

0:18:09interchangeable lens camera just seemed

0:18:11weird to me and I I'm you know I still

0:18:14have my panasonic is still works

0:18:16I don't use a bit the thing that was the

0:18:18real convencer and you know the reason

0:18:20I'm glad as I rented it I took it for

0:18:22the that the one time of year take the

0:18:24most pictures like I take pictures you

0:18:25know throughout the year probably not as

0:18:27much as I should but when we go on our

0:18:29vacation going out i take literally

0:18:30thousands of pictures right that is the

0:18:32most pictures that take all year in the

0:18:33most demanding circumstances of the most

0:18:35different people and the most different

0:18:36environments and the super zoom for the

0:18:38waves thing you know taking pictures in

0:18:40the ways i know is that both cameras to

0:18:42the beach use the superzoom a lot but by

0:18:44the end of the trip even when we were at

0:18:46the ocean i was using this camera and

0:18:47yeah I couldn't get up as close it

0:18:49probably helps that the days but I was

0:18:51doing the beat of the surf was enclosed

0:18:52so maybe would have been different was

0:18:54farther away but because i still have

0:18:55the other camera and even with these

0:18:57things zoomed out I was happier with the

0:18:59zoomed out pictures from this camera

0:19:00that i could crop with the crappy zoom

0:19:02lens that I rented like I didn't rent a

0:19:03very expensive zoom lens like a

0:19:05four-hundred-dollar zoom lens or

0:19:07something

0:19:08end of the range on it was you know half

0:19:11to a third of what it is on the super

0:19:12zoom and still this came out ahead and

0:19:14as I said the reason i get expensive

0:19:16cameras once you take pictures indoors

0:19:18without a flash with a decent camera

0:19:19like you can't go back to the other way

0:19:22that's why don't like to hold marcos

0:19:24cameras it's depressing you know you

0:19:26don't want to think about it like that's

0:19:28why you want to market for thirds like

0:19:29the whole reason i'm spending money is

0:19:31I want a bigger sensor that can get more

0:19:32light and yes that means the lenses are

0:19:34going to be more expensive and i could

0:19:36get better zoom lens the micro

0:19:37four-thirds like this is what I want I

0:19:39want I want a big sensor i want pictures

0:19:42that I couldn't take with any other

0:19:43camera can't take my phone can take my

0:19:45super them because there's just not

0:19:46enough light and this is what that gives

0:19:49me and can i use it for all my xoom

0:19:51things for that one week here when I

0:19:53need zoom the answer is apparently yes

0:19:55like it's it's a different set of

0:19:56compromises but I do take pictures

0:19:59indoors and other things when i'm on

0:20:00vacation and I get the proof is in the

0:20:01pudding had both cameras there are used

0:20:03both of them like if you watch the ratio

0:20:04by the last trip to the ocean was like

0:20:06I'm not even taking that one out of the

0:20:08bag i'm just gonna use this one for

0:20:09everything just because everything was

0:20:10so much better about it except for the

0:20:12zoom so and also I keep that I keep my

0:20:14eye out for super letters I don't rule

0:20:16out like later if they make if panasonic

0:20:18resemble makes another camera like mine

0:20:20that is just updated in all the ways but

0:20:22maybe even a little bit more compact and

0:20:25maybe optically a little bit better over

0:20:26the same range i'll probably buy it

0:20:28because those are cheap they're like you

0:20:30know six or seven hundred dollars

0:20:31compared to you know these

0:20:32interchangeable lens cameras are having

0:20:34some billion dollar so i'm pretty happy

0:20:36with that

0:20:36yeah i mean you'll pay that much for a

0:20:38good zoom lens at least on the 100

0:20:40camera you have way more than that i'm

0:20:42very happy zoom lens with a short-range

0:20:43a thousand bucks yes i think so its it's

0:20:46rough like I you know but and I'm just

0:20:48thinking about like day-to-day I think

0:20:50this will make me take more pictures

0:20:51just normal stuff like my family you

0:20:53know around the house and going out and

0:20:55taking walks and stuff because i'm not

0:20:58going to attach pics and we'll probably

0:20:59just had a little pancake on there but

0:21:00it's nice and we go out like after

0:21:02school and after dinner was kind of dust

0:21:03gets its dark but i can actually get

0:21:05usable pictures you know of my family

0:21:09walking on the street lights with this

0:21:10camera without a flash and that just

0:21:12wasn't it was an environment where i

0:21:14would take any pictures before I

0:21:15wouldn't try my phone and I wouldn't

0:21:16bring my superzoom because the Superdome

0:21:18is actually it's not heavier than this

0:21:20but physically dimension wise it's

0:21:21bigger than his camera with the pancake

0:21:24lens on right so I feel like this is a

0:21:26good compromise for me now and i'm sure

0:21:29i'll learn a lot using it and then you

0:21:31know we'll see where we go from here

0:21:32I think these days so many photographic

0:21:36needs are solved so well by just your

0:21:38iphone and that and the progress that

0:21:40that iphone cameras have made has been

0:21:42so remarkable but

0:21:44the areas that they will never be able

0:21:47to match a standalone cameras are in our

0:21:50areas where you just need a large

0:21:52advance and expensive sensor you know

0:21:55that like iphones have a lot of

0:21:56constraints on that camera obviously

0:21:58size is the most obvious but also cost

0:22:00is a big one that camera module the

0:22:02entire camera module has to costs like

0:22:04thirty bucks and i forgot the component

0:22:05breakdowns show it as but it's somewhere

0:22:07in that range like the eighth

0:22:09it's not a ton of money that goes into

0:22:10that and so so you have no space you

0:22:14have very little money and you have to

0:22:15mass produce a ton of them

0:22:17that's always going to be more limited

0:22:19than what you can sell in a dedicated

0:22:21high-end camera four thousand dollars

0:22:23like that's it and that can have this

0:22:25big body around this big sensor that's

0:22:27way bigger than the phone center of this

0:22:28giant lens taking off the front of it

0:22:30relative giant relative to the phone

0:22:32sensors and phones are going to always

0:22:34be able to have liked more advanced

0:22:36processing and software and tricks they

0:22:39can do with the software to make up for

0:22:41some of these some of these shortcomings

0:22:43that they have been in there just tiny

0:22:45little cheap optics

0:22:46however i think one area where they are

0:22:49always going to struggle against big

0:22:51cameras is in low-light sensitivity and

0:22:54and dynamic range little bit too but

0:22:56especially light sensitivity is because

0:22:57that is something where the physics are

0:22:59just working so much against them and

0:23:01that's probably never going to change

0:23:03because phones are never going to become

0:23:04these you know two-inch-thick things

0:23:08that have that have this thousand-dollar

0:23:10sensor and a amazing glass in front of

0:23:12them like the market but that's just not

0:23:13where they're going

0:23:14so so I i think if you're going to buy a

0:23:17camera that is not just your phone it

0:23:19benefits you a lot to do to get one that

0:23:21is exceptionally good in low-light just

0:23:24to really maximize like the difference

0:23:26and the justification for having a

0:23:28separate camera at all well and again

0:23:31you can never say never because I always

0:23:32picture like a phone that's like this

0:23:34you know magical thin thing where the

0:23:37entire back of the phone is basically

0:23:38one giant sensor plus this amazing

0:23:40computing power to somehow combine all

0:23:42white hitting that sensor without a lens

0:23:44in front of it to figure you know I mean

0:23:46like like gathering the task will be I

0:23:48will gather all the light for you and

0:23:49then magic computers will figure out all

0:23:52the light hitting it like maybe this

0:23:53thing that can tell what angle they have

0:23:54the sensor and instead of just

0:23:55levels of light like you do have enough

0:23:57surface area basically for to imagine a

0:24:00future from using an as-yet undetermined

0:24:02technology where you would gather all

0:24:03the light hitting the back of phone

0:24:04that's plenty to have amazing the

0:24:06light-dark rebut that technology's no no

0:24:10we're on the horizon but I just you know

0:24:11like it's not

0:24:12we won't always be stuck with pinholes

0:24:14this is what I'm saying so in the

0:24:15distant future that could be solved but

0:24:18for our lifetime i think probably

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0:25:20ah we got a couple of people asking us

0:25:25or I think I might have just been the

0:25:26same person twice ask you that's why we

0:25:30didn't mention dslrs at all in in these

0:25:32camera discussions recently and I have

0:25:34my reasons do you guys have any reason

0:25:36before it before i jump in too big to

0:25:38carry

0:25:39that's a good one I mean I'm serious I'm

0:25:41not trying to be funny like the reason I

0:25:43one of the biggest reasons on micro

0:25:45four-thirds it was less about costs so

0:25:47that was a small factor but more i knew

0:25:50i was already going to have something

0:25:52bigger than I really wanted that I had

0:25:54to carry and if i'm going to do that I

0:25:57want to try to make it as small as

0:25:59possible and like John and talked about

0:26:00earlier to my to my requirements micro

0:26:04four-thirds was a really good happy

0:26:06medium

0:26:07and I didn't want to goes as big as a

0:26:09DSLR although i went back and forth and

0:26:11back and forth about it and in fact I

0:26:13think I bothered underscored Marco a lot

0:26:16asking what about this what about this

0:26:17what about this what about that and and

0:26:19eventually ended up on four thirds just

0:26:21because I didn't want to carry it if you

0:26:23have for me was size but also like

0:26:25giving you know we've known for years of

0:26:27even just tangentially you know not

0:26:30really in the camera community but just

0:26:31like touching on it because I was like

0:26:33read things in dpreview and I think

0:26:34that's how I figured out which

0:26:35supersedes again everything you just see

0:26:37which way the wind is blowing in the

0:26:38wind was blowing away from dslrs for

0:26:40regular people and I had a 5d mark two

0:26:44borrowed from a particular source for my

0:26:48brother's wedding that I used to take

0:26:49pictures so I know how big they are no

0:26:51heavy they are I know how did the little

0:26:53mirror flappy thing and all the other

0:26:54business like it just it just seems like

0:26:57it's kind of like market with the BMW vs

0:26:59Tesla the mirrorless one seems like oh

0:27:01this is clearly the future and even

0:27:03though because the market has been for

0:27:04so long that the DSLR the high-end i'm

0:27:08not sure that will always entirely hold

0:27:10and you just it was way outside that you

0:27:14know I'm the mirrorless camera I brought

0:27:16is the whole selling point for me was

0:27:18like is that it's so small that like the

0:27:20lenses like comically big on it because

0:27:22it's so darn small you can't can't get a

0:27:24DSLR that there's not enough room

0:27:26the main reason why i don't have a DSLR

0:27:28anymore is what you guys said it's it's

0:27:30mostly about sighs and also about the

0:27:32way the wind is blowing like one of the

0:27:34things that swayed me like we know we

0:27:35had we bought the the 5d mark two when

0:27:38it came out in 2008 and and TIFF and I

0:27:41used a pair of those for her all her pro

0:27:44photo stuff it went through you know all

0:27:46that went through a lot of our like

0:27:48high-end hobby and of course all our

0:27:50family stuff until about a year ago when

0:27:53i got my k7r to and when I was one of

0:27:57the reasons i upgraded finally I mean

0:27:58first of all a camera that run that that

0:28:01isn't common use from 2008 until 2015

0:28:04pretty good at that

0:28:06that's a pretty great run and that kind

0:28:08of shows like the one of the reasons

0:28:11able to go that long and it's still

0:28:13agree camera just you know it's falling

0:28:14behind on a lot of the tech areas now

0:28:16but when you get a really high-end

0:28:18full-frame profession

0:28:20no grade camera at last similarly no

0:28:22similar jobs mac pro which is the same

0:28:25age actually happen but anyway the thing

0:28:30with this large though is you know yet

0:28:31they are really like you you can't just

0:28:33casually throw a full-frame SLR into

0:28:36your bag like that youth you gotta

0:28:39really decide to take that with you it

0:28:41you know they're they're big way let the

0:28:43lenses are baby away a lot i didn't I

0:28:45wasn't that convinced that the size

0:28:47difference of matter that much until I

0:28:49lived with the sony for a little while

0:28:51and then I picked up tips camera to do

0:28:54something with 1 i'm like oh my god like

0:28:56if I was picking up an aircraft carrier

0:28:58like what is this thing like what how do

0:29:01I possibly use this for that was fucking

0:29:04and but that being said though there are

0:29:07still differences and mainly while the

0:29:11while the mirrorless cameras have all

0:29:13the action going with a lot of the tech

0:29:15advances these days and in particular

0:29:17lot of the lens advancements these days

0:29:18I would still hesitate to call them

0:29:21professional cameras because you know

0:29:24pro it obviously it's very loaded word a

0:29:26lot of markets and it is mostly used for

0:29:28marketing in most places and it and it

0:29:31goes both ways you know companies put

0:29:33pro on put the name pro on things that

0:29:36aren't necessarily quote professional

0:29:38grade and a lot of people who are

0:29:40professionals by progear aspirationally

0:29:43and so it it because it there's a lot of

0:29:46like vagary and what that means

0:29:48however when you're when you're shooting

0:29:51things with a pro camera you need

0:29:53certain attributes that I don't think

0:29:56any of the Maryland vendors offer

0:29:58certainly sony doesn't offer first of

0:30:00all you need a battery to not be as much

0:30:02of a problem as it is i mean like that's

0:30:03number one with the sonys is they are

0:30:06awesome in so many ways but the battery

0:30:07life is terrible and with and part of

0:30:10that is because you have to drive this

0:30:11LCD screen in the viewfinder and in the

0:30:13in the back display so often you know

0:30:16and and slrs get away with only having

0:30:18the the back review screen and having

0:30:20optical viewfinder so you don't really

0:30:22know you're seeing the lens you're not

0:30:23letting up screen for all that looking

0:30:25time I think I recall seeing like a

0:30:27battery case for your phone or

0:30:29somebody's whenever you see those things

0:30:31through the cameramen yeah like it's

0:30:33just a big big

0:30:34I'm battery yeah I mean there's battery

0:30:35grips and and they they basically like

0:30:37they like shove this protrusion into the

0:30:39battery port had this big basin the

0:30:41camera they usually holds two or three

0:30:42batteries and that's you know that

0:30:44that's something it obviously makes this

0:30:46camera a lot larger and heavier and that

0:30:48produces a lot of the advantages that

0:30:50has super hits floor but also you know

0:30:52SLR just larger in general so SLR

0:30:54batteries can be physically larger they

0:30:56can have way more capacity and on top of

0:30:58all that they're you know they're what

0:30:59they're doing less because they aren't

0:31:00letting up to screen all the time so

0:31:02hold on know how often are you charging

0:31:03your sony though because my micro

0:31:05four-thirds i charge one some month in

0:31:09and even when i was at the beach

0:31:10snapping a ton of pictures it I i might

0:31:14have used maybe fifty percent of the

0:31:16battery and it has you know to lcds just

0:31:18like you're describing Lee are you

0:31:20charging your sony like everyday when

0:31:22you're on vacation or when you're taking

0:31:23a lot of pictures you have to god that's

0:31:26terrible

0:31:26well I'll see it like i was i was

0:31:28worried about the the battery life

0:31:30because I'm dpreview they always give

0:31:31like number of shots for your battery

0:31:33capacity and my panasonic is actually

0:31:35pretty good i forget what they had a

0:31:37rated as like 400 something or 500

0:31:39something but I think like oh I take a

0:31:42lot of pictures like I would always

0:31:43bring a spare better i always bring the

0:31:44spare battery to the beach with me with

0:31:46my panasonic I never needed to use I

0:31:48think maybe one year because i forgot

0:31:49the charger at night the night before I

0:31:51needed to use it right for the sony its

0:31:53number was lower on dpreview like it was

0:31:55it's like it wasn't that bad but it was

0:31:57lower and I was like I look at the

0:31:58physical size of the battery like really

0:32:00this looks so small because the battery

0:32:01is physically smaller than my panasonic

0:32:02battery so i felt like all this is a bad

0:32:04sign

0:32:05so i have two batteries with me and I

0:32:07always you know charge every night and

0:32:08put the freshman and put the other one

0:32:09there like I was all ready to go every

0:32:11time I went to the beach I had two

0:32:12batteries always lasted all day i don't

0:32:14think i got below like I maybe I went

0:32:17below fifty percent sometimes but I was

0:32:18pleasantly surprised about the battery

0:32:21life but forget about more than one day

0:32:22if you're actively shooting a lot of

0:32:23pictures the end of the day you're gonna

0:32:25have to charge a thing and I don't mind

0:32:27like that's all I wanted like can't do

0:32:29most demanding day fine like it marcos

0:32:31right that is not if you're like doing a

0:32:32sporting event taking a bazillion

0:32:34pictures would probably just burn

0:32:35through the back clean you have to be

0:32:37swapping the batteries but for my use

0:32:38having two batteries and having knowing

0:32:41that one can basically last almost

0:32:42anything that I've done

0:32:44and you know I don't mind carrying

0:32:45another little batteries was not big

0:32:47they're not heavy enough battery runs

0:32:48out and swap it and it's not a big deal

0:32:49so I would like it to be better as with

0:32:51many things and it's like there's more

0:32:53room in there maybe for battery but it

0:32:55wasn't as as bad as I thought it would

0:32:57be but it's definitely not like your

0:32:58micro four thirds for your press charges

0:33:00once a month forget about that

0:33:01no i mean because the estonian generally

0:33:03better life is a little bit worse and

0:33:04mine is worse than yours

0:33:06I'm pretty sure because the full frame

0:33:08has the even more stuff to do

0:33:09electronically inside the images or even

0:33:11larger process all you know all the

0:33:12stuff my battery life is probably among

0:33:15the worst in the in the camera industry

0:33:17right now

0:33:18do you have the same batteries maybe

0:33:20that's what i was thinking you actually

0:33:21have the same model of that like it's

0:33:23like that whatever NP whatever whatever

0:33:2450 yeah that the same battery i have so

0:33:27that so that's why you're better lives

0:33:28and works because your camera is is a

0:33:30bigger sensor bigger screen like

0:33:32everything about it is going to use more

0:33:33battery than mine does and you have the

0:33:35same actual physical battery and that's

0:33:37no good

0:33:38so better life is one of the things that

0:33:40differentiates pro program again but

0:33:42another one just like just handling

0:33:44durability speed support your

0:33:47professional doesn't always mean that it

0:33:50has the best features or the fastest

0:33:53whatever the fastest hardware or the

0:33:54highest and hardware the highest specs

0:33:57that is not what professional means that

0:33:59often it you know results in that but

0:34:02not always professional means that you

0:34:04can use it to get your job done and it's

0:34:07not going to fail on you

0:34:08so that's why you know if you look at

0:34:10you know topic that we are near and dear

0:34:12to toasters it now

0:34:14oh god all of the toasters that John has

0:34:17tested and love so much well with

0:34:19varying degrees of love so much if you

0:34:22actually tried to use one of those

0:34:24toasters in a bagel shop where they need

0:34:26a toaster a lot like this is like a

0:34:28commercial duty role if you used any of

0:34:31those sisters even like the nice like

0:34:32three hundred dollar ones they would

0:34:34burn out and die in like two months at

0:34:37most

0:34:37because they're not made the they aren't

0:34:39made for a heavy workload they are you

0:34:42know they would overheat or they would

0:34:43have problems like they're not made for

0:34:45that and if you look at like a toaster

0:34:47that's in like a bagel shop you have one

0:34:49of the belt-drive toasters there's like

0:34:50a thousand dollars and you look at your

0:34:53like that's stupid

0:34:54this toaster i can get at at macy's or

0:34:56whatever is like 40

0:34:58bucks and has way more features in that

0:35:00but that for your thing will die shortly

0:35:02and you can't do like almost at the same

0:35:04time with it and everything else and

0:35:05that thousand-dollar really basic belt

0:35:07drive one at the bagel shop is going to

0:35:09work for a long time

0:35:10progear is you know this is a metaphor

0:35:13for most truly professional gear and if

0:35:16you look at what what the mid-range and

0:35:18high-end SLR like you know and i'm

0:35:21really talking about like canon and

0:35:22nikon here I don't think anybody's

0:35:23really in this game anymore

0:35:25canon nikon and I think kanan's quite a

0:35:27bit of it

0:35:28these are like machines that are

0:35:30designed to do work and never fail on

0:35:32you as much as I love my sony camera I

0:35:36would be surprised if it still works

0:35:39perfectly

0:35:40eight years from now whereas the cannon

0:35:43does

0:35:44because if that's a program camera the

0:35:45sony is a really high-end feature and

0:35:48spec camera but it does not handle like

0:35:51a professional camera doesn't feel like

0:35:52a professional camera it doesn't feel

0:35:54like it has the longevity and and the

0:35:56ruggedness and I think generally

0:35:57speaking I think people's experiences

0:35:59online has backed up where you'll hear

0:36:02really pro pro photographer who took a

0:36:04sony a7 series camera like to Antarctica

0:36:06and it failed or something like that

0:36:07like and you can do that with other

0:36:09campers because they're made for like

0:36:11hard use extreme conditions they're

0:36:13always ready they're like you know I

0:36:15mean you know within reason of course

0:36:16but like you know they're they're

0:36:18generally just more rugged and they

0:36:20they're also just you know they're there

0:36:22faster they have more physical buttons

0:36:24and yeah they're larger and clunkier and

0:36:25heavier to get you all that stuff but

0:36:27you know that's all there they have dual

0:36:29card slots because it that way you can

0:36:31you can have a backup in case one card

0:36:32fails or whatever else there are so many

0:36:34of Florence's there and if they break

0:36:36there's generally better service

0:36:38available 24 progear not always but

0:36:41usually

0:36:42and that's it that's another area where

0:36:43sony has been criticized as having kind

0:36:44of shoddy service for like four Pro kind

0:36:47of use all these arrows cameras like

0:36:50they really don't handle like pro

0:36:52cameras they they don't have the the

0:36:54strength and ruggedness and durability

0:36:56of pro cameras and they don't have

0:36:58really liked the design work load of pro

0:37:02cameras and that one that won't change

0:37:03so i think and i honestly I there when i

0:37:06do handle an SLR these days there are

0:37:09parts of it i do miss I miss how

0:37:10incredibly respond

0:37:11answer they are i miss Howe just how

0:37:13fast can snap shots and had no problem

0:37:16at all and see everything that i do miss

0:37:18a tropical viewfinder sometimes there

0:37:20are certain things that as amusing that

0:37:22i missed my sony music on this thing's

0:37:23like focus peaking which I don't think

0:37:25you can do it all in an SLR and because

0:37:27the way this is designed things you know

0:37:29that there's all sorts of things that

0:37:31you that you can use the luxuries with

0:37:32with mirrorless cameras that you can but

0:37:34you really can't do with all ours but if

0:37:37i was going out like shooting an event

0:37:38again like I used to do with Tiffany I

0:37:41was when I was her second shooter i

0:37:43would pick an SLR still and probably for

0:37:45the foreseeable future because they were

0:37:47for actual pro use where every shot

0:37:50matters

0:37:50you can't have any delays you can have

0:37:52anything fail you can't worry about the

0:37:53battery I mean when we were shooting

0:37:55with those with the 5 d's you know

0:37:57Tiffany shot a bunch of weddings

0:37:58together cuz shes wedding photographer

0:37:59and we were together and I can't I think

0:38:02maybe I worry about the battery level

0:38:04once in all that time you used we felt

0:38:08the car before before the batteries run

0:38:09out and you just never had to think

0:38:11about the batteries it was so big with

0:38:12the stony and thinking about the battery

0:38:13almost every time like almost everyday

0:38:16issues with the sony I have to watch the

0:38:17battery level and then it goes down like

0:38:18twenty percent i got to be at my pocket

0:38:20you know it's it's not a professional

0:38:23piece of equipment it produces very

0:38:24incredible photos but it is not

0:38:27programmed SL ours not all the mark but

0:38:29many SLR Tsar pro-quality year and that

0:38:32difference I think will always be there

0:38:33just because of the the market realities

0:38:34and physical reality is that these two

0:38:36markets there you go with the always

0:38:38again you know I made and I'm going to

0:38:39jump on that gonna affect the wind is

0:38:42blowing like it reminds me kind of the

0:38:46not quite the same as now she's not

0:38:48perfect but it's a think it's a similar

0:38:50situation that can put you in the right

0:38:51mindset to understand how this is gonna

0:38:53go when professionals all use some

0:38:55cameras please digital cameras were crap

0:38:57we all remember that time our old house

0:38:59to remember that we're of course you

0:39:00know

0:39:00digital cameras are fine they're

0:39:02interesting toy but it's ridiculous you

0:39:04will never compare to 35 millimeter film

0:39:06film professionals all the special

0:39:08cameras canon and nikon they're all DSLR

0:39:10not be also they will slrs without the d

0:39:12in the front of them because they you

0:39:13know their professional camera for all

0:39:15the reasons you stated and they were in

0:39:16digital because everybody knows that

0:39:18digital may have some weird advantages

0:39:19but you can't take these pictures within

0:39:22that slowly really really slowly changed

0:39:25and there was a time when no

0:39:27professional photographer use digital

0:39:28and now almost all of them do unless

0:39:30they're real artsy fartsy it just so

0:39:32happens they stayed in the same form

0:39:33factor the DSLR at that point and

0:39:36there's a lot of uh you know not baggage

0:39:39about history there it's instinct you

0:39:41know even if it was universally better

0:39:43it would take a long time as people have

0:39:44tons of lenses and they're used to the

0:39:45cameras they like as established people

0:39:47for you know know how to fix them and

0:39:48their kind of familiar with the machines

0:39:51in the way they work but there are still

0:39:54advantages to Marilyn terms of like

0:39:55continuous autofocus of a moving target

0:39:59that you could you never do manual

0:40:01focusing in that DSLR is not fast enough

0:40:03to catch for very very fast motion for

0:40:05things like sports photography and of

0:40:08course all the size advantages and other

0:40:09things i'm not saying it's inevitable

0:40:11but I feel like the main thing keeping

0:40:14dslrs dominant now is because Manuel

0:40:17like the inertia that manufacturers are

0:40:19making use no reason you couldn't make a

0:40:21professional mirrorless camera just

0:40:22happens no one is doing that because the

0:40:24market is in dslrs and they're really

0:40:26good and the adventures haven't shipped

0:40:28overnight but I feel like this is a slow

0:40:30migration that gradually over time like

0:40:32Sony's kind of doing it first you have

0:40:34the mirrorless cameras like oh this is a

0:40:35great way for consumers to get a camera

0:40:37that has a little bit bigger sensor but

0:40:39you know that we know consumers don't

0:40:41want to buy an SLR just a really big so

0:40:42this is a great advantage for them and

0:40:44sunny was like you know we we can make

0:40:46even better camera like that maybe we

0:40:47can make a full-frame one and maybe we

0:40:48can make good enough that professionals

0:40:50might notice and all the things Marco

0:40:52said about them not being suitable for

0:40:54the job are still true but did you know

0:40:56they're creeping up on that no one

0:40:58knowing it before the a7 and your camera

0:41:01it was that wasn't a thing that even

0:41:03existed and now you know something's

0:41:05probably the wrong company to do it like

0:41:06it all it's gonna take is for you know

0:41:07five years from now whatever for Nikon

0:41:09and Canon to make their first

0:41:10professional mirrorless camera and

0:41:12that's just like then you've passed a

0:41:14tipping point is just a matter of time

0:41:15then before they also watch over because

0:41:17i think the advantages are important

0:41:19enough that eventually people will make

0:41:20professional mirrorless cameras even if

0:41:22they're not doing that today

0:41:23that's a fair point i mean i-i guess i

0:41:25should clarify that you know it i don't

0:41:28i don't believe it's impossible to make

0:41:29a pro grade / handling mirrorless camera

0:41:32there's nothing about the

0:41:33airless component layout that prevents

0:41:36programmers from being made that i know

0:41:38of days aren't made and I and even even

0:41:41the very expensive ones like like the

0:41:42seminar to our professional in quality

0:41:45but not professional and handling and

0:41:47responsiveness and work and ruggedness

0:41:48and everything so that being said

0:41:50sony is rumored to be working on

0:41:52something that the recycling a9 that is

0:41:57allegedly a pro like mirrorless with the

0:42:01a7 series sensors so that could be

0:42:04really interesting if that's real and if

0:42:05it's if it actually is pro handling and

0:42:09all this being said if i were to look at

0:42:11an SLR again today I would probably end

0:42:14up looking at nikon honestly not canon

0:42:16because canon has just not been keeping

0:42:20up at all with Sony in dynamic range and

0:42:23high iso noise performance and nikon use

0:42:27Sony sensors and so like the nikon d750

0:42:30is an incredible camera it's not even

0:42:33that new anymore it's incredible camera

0:42:36that has a beautiful sony sensor that's

0:42:38very similar to the a7r one sensor i

0:42:42believe and yes I would almost certainly

0:42:45go a nikon if i was going to sell art

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0:44:12ah apparently video games are still a

0:44:17thing and I was not aware of this but

0:44:21apparently not only are they a thing but

0:44:24you have to go through like really

0:44:26terrible awful other things to be able

0:44:29to do that thing

0:44:31oh you're talking about boot camp yeah

0:44:33Oh God

0:44:34so things are not going well I guess I

0:44:36should drive your Tesla over here and

0:44:38pick me up I'll services but Sarah

0:44:40success on something you just go up to

0:44:43the job so so can we just give justice

0:44:45just a moment of background so you're

0:44:47trying or well maybe not you actually I

0:44:49guess it's tiff is trying to play no

0:44:51man's sky is that I'm not trying to

0:44:53troll I'm really knows you're feeling

0:44:54inside

0:44:55oh my god is that an old man crazy III

0:44:58when it comes to this I ambit the gnomon

0:45:00sky the pokey man's and so anyway so

0:45:05it's so TIFF wanted to play inside and

0:45:07that is not available on OS 10

0:45:09soon-to-be Mac Mac us RM a cost and it

0:45:14is available on the xbox but not the

0:45:16playstation 4 is that fair

0:45:18it's coming out of the playstation 4

0:45:19soonish yeah that's right now maybe it

0:45:22will maybe we'll be out by the time

0:45:23markets bootcamp it way and and then

0:45:27because it's not available on on OS 10

0:45:29and you guys only have a playstation 4 u

0:45:33collective you thought okay we will

0:45:35install windows and we will play it

0:45:37there is that a reasonable summary but

0:45:40yeah basically left off all the hemming

0:45:42and hawing we have the whole show for my

0:45:44rocket and xbox one was around playing

0:45:47around anyway they but the end of that

0:45:49shows like okay and

0:45:50under the boot camp thing and so now

0:45:52we're picking up at that point where the

0:45:54decision has been made to the boot camp

0:45:56and steam and windows is the way to do

0:45:58it and then it was complaining about it

0:46:00yelling at me somehow somehow this is my

0:46:02fault on Twitter boot camp isn't working

0:46:05out so I i assume is all Marcus faults

0:46:08we can tell us what's going on there are

0:46:10cute

0:46:11hi to why is it houses my fault let me

0:46:15just explain once again once again tip i

0:46:17decided to do bootcamp for this game the

0:46:20day I decided to do it i spent some time

0:46:22walking around and seeing how much

0:46:24windows 10 cost before eventually

0:46:25decided to go with the copy windows

0:46:26seven that I had I wiped my bootcamp

0:46:29partition made a new one installed

0:46:31windows seven install steam and played

0:46:34all of inside everything i just

0:46:35described took place in one day that's

0:46:37all I'm saying

0:46:39oh haha wait can you guys hold on a

0:46:42second i do that for me real quick

0:46:46I just want to play a three-hour game i

0:46:49just want to buy it it's a three-hour

0:46:51game it's this is the gilligan's island

0:46:54of games here you go on a three-hour

0:46:57tour and you end up there for your whole

0:46:59freakin life because you're dealing with

0:47:01Windows nightmares

0:47:04what's going wrong here how house is not

0:47:06happening this has been like days week

0:47:08it's been a long time it's been been a

0:47:10long time not even counting the whole

0:47:11time about waffling what you should do

0:47:13and then even after the decision has

0:47:14been made that we're going to bootcamp

0:47:15and still I i assume you have not played

0:47:18this game

0:47:18oh because this whole bootcamping was

0:47:20pitched to us as Oh it'll be no problem

0:47:23it's just boot camp you just put it on

0:47:24the distal you have your little

0:47:25partition and you just plug it in at

0:47:27least three easy you just do it so easy

0:47:29i did this like I just not speculation

0:47:31like it should be easy I i actually did

0:47:33it

0:47:34if you actually wrote out the steps it

0:47:36would take to how it's done

0:47:38only one person with the initial Marco

0:47:41idea of let's just throw some money at

0:47:44the problem by an xbox because we should

0:47:46have done that because in this variation

0:47:47I i'm almost about to break

0:47:50I i I'm gonna kick all the computers in

0:47:52like in their faces like I'm so angry

0:47:56wow we do alright so here's here's what

0:48:00has happened so the other night so you

0:48:02know we have a child

0:48:04he is young we haven't had a ton of time

0:48:06to devote to this problem so you know a

0:48:08few weeks ago whenever whenever we talk

0:48:10about our first I had created this this

0:48:13bootcamp completed this bootcamp

0:48:14installation of Windows 10 using a real

0:48:18windows 10 product key thanks to a

0:48:19listener who who graciously sent me one

0:48:21actually well I hadn't entered it yet

0:48:23but we'll get to that was tonight's

0:48:25problem thanks thanks windows for your

0:48:28tattoo of a warning signs all over

0:48:30everything you do if you don't ha whoo

0:48:33thank you going right so anyway anyway

0:48:37so i installed Windows 10 choosing the

0:48:40like remind me later option on the

0:48:41product key screen because why wouldn't

0:48:43you like that and then and then I saw

0:48:47your light on the this external samsung

0:48:49SSD so that we could plug it into any

0:48:51computer we wanted to because sometimes

0:48:53I might want to play a game

0:48:55sometimes I might be my laptop sometime

0:48:56tips desktop so we I set it all up on my

0:49:01laptop and figuring that I could just

0:49:03plug it into tips imac to play the game

0:49:05when she was ready because her imac was

0:49:07in use

0:49:08she was working and using it and I

0:49:10didn't want to disturb during setup so i

0:49:11set the whole thing up as a bootable

0:49:13bootcamp drive on this SSD from my

0:49:16laptop and my macbook pro and I got the

0:49:18message of ohdon't worry whenever you're

0:49:20ready to play this game i got it all

0:49:22setup we just need to plug in I could

0:49:24bring it here i could bring it there i

0:49:25could put done this like to put it on

0:49:27that you're gonna be ready to go you

0:49:28just let me know

0:49:30that's exactly how I sounded am I feel

0:49:32like you're still yelling at me about

0:49:33that you realize this is your husband

0:49:35I'm not me I i live over here in this

0:49:37house

0:49:37uh yeah I know where that house is John

0:49:40i know but i didn't know as i think--not

0:49:42blamed his whatsoever you should be

0:49:44angry at Marco previous destinations in

0:49:47my gps and I can find you

0:49:48that's it that's all it takes is bring

0:49:51the computer with you and how you said

0:49:53helping just driving over to Tim now

0:49:55wait whose house John's house yet drive

0:49:57over to john's yeah yeah so anyway so I

0:50:02i plug the plug the drive into this

0:50:04computer so we know she has like this

0:50:05one night set out which is a couple days

0:50:07ago his one-night stay at this this is

0:50:09the day that she's able to play this

0:50:11game finally so put your kid to bed i

0:50:14start shutting down your computer and

0:50:15rebooting the bootcamp drive

0:50:17and of course since the bootcamp

0:50:20installation was something like two

0:50:21weeks old

0:50:22it had a software update the software

0:50:25updates ok update updates

0:50:27yeah a just a software update i think we

0:50:30need to fix that

0:50:31yeah had multiple software updates

0:50:33didn't you use windows for like years

0:50:34and years before use the mac like these

0:50:36are the rookie mistakes that I don't

0:50:38even know what the only reason this room

0:50:40and even i know the day you decide to

0:50:42play your windows game is not the day to

0:50:44find out you have windows updates like

0:50:45there's always a prep day where you

0:50:47install the windows updates and make

0:50:49sure everything is set to go every day

0:50:50you find out everyday is a Windows

0:50:52Update day every day but doesn't like it

0:50:54you can you can defer them anyway you

0:50:56have left the prep day out of that three

0:50:58hour total of this took you then know

0:51:00that that day that I did it I did all

0:51:02the updates because i was a full day but

0:51:03yeah I did I did them the hemming and

0:51:06hawing about doing it I did the research

0:51:07i did the creation of the partition and

0:51:09the installation i did the endless

0:51:11windows updates and then after that are

0:51:13played the game because it's three hours

0:51:14long

0:51:15alright so anyway so you know we we boot

0:51:19up we go to the software updates every

0:51:21few times that boots

0:51:24it gives the the non-system disk error

0:51:26on boot for some reason with that old

0:51:28with da serra put instagram like yeah so

0:51:32windows is windows it's a total pile of

0:51:35garbage as it always has been

0:51:36because i haven't used windows since XP

0:51:40of course took me a long time to find

0:51:43certain settings and handling things

0:51:44like how do i change the resolution

0:51:46things like that anyway so that when i

0:51:51first installed i thought you know just

0:51:53in case because I because it creates

0:51:56installation on a macbook pro but I'm

0:51:58running it now in a5k imac just in case

0:52:01let me update that could be one when we

0:52:03first launched the game on the fact that

0:52:05make the frame rate was terrible so I

0:52:06was like all right maybe I need to

0:52:07update video driver because digs it

0:52:09didn't install the one for the imac

0:52:11maybe only install the one for the

0:52:13macbook pro even though it's like one

0:52:15package of support files for all

0:52:17hardware supposedly ok

0:52:19reinstall the tools you know get try to

0:52:21fix the stupid framerate issue

0:52:22finally we get it we get it going and we

0:52:25get the game going and i eventually

0:52:26figure out the resolution have to reboot

0:52:28they're all stupid update so we're

0:52:30already

0:52:30two hours in now he has a call this

0:52:32stupid updating and rebooting and we

0:52:34only have so much time right because we

0:52:36have a child who goes to sleep and once

0:52:37he goes to sleep we only have so much

0:52:39time to play the game before we're

0:52:40exhausted and we can't stay up anymore

0:52:43so we had was a limited window

0:52:46whoo oh so yeah so if this is terrible

0:52:52like rebooting cycle and drivers and all

0:52:54this BS eventually we get the game

0:52:57finally to run and then it's like wait

0:52:59there's no mass support we gotta plug in

0:53:01a controller controller options and how

0:53:03we do that and we look to try to use the

0:53:05keyboard just yeah well we eventually

0:53:07came that first first we don't have any

0:53:09gamepads 4pcs was like but we have a ps3

0:53:12controller of the ps4 controller we have

0:53:15an xbox 360 controller everything you

0:53:17just plug these in they'll just start

0:53:18working so we tried a few of those of

0:53:20course none of them actually worked even

0:53:22the xbox xbox 360 georgian closest that

0:53:26we actually showed up in whatever than

0:53:28the current name is for device manager

0:53:30however it didn't the game didn't

0:53:32recognize it for whatever reason like

0:53:33the just couldn't find things to it so

0:53:35oh well then oh nevermind so eventually

0:53:37i refine keyboard with you picked the

0:53:39keyboard then it finally starts playing

0:53:42a game okay finally it's like you know

0:53:44what is probably ten o'clock just

0:53:46fucking think we can finally start

0:53:47playing this game so I leave the room

0:53:49because i know i didn't want to disturb

0:53:51her with light from my computer because

0:53:52these people so freaking reflective

0:53:54she's playing a game a nice dark office

0:53:56I leave the office called me back in

0:53:58like four minutes later the game broke

0:54:01what I come in and it just like it had

0:54:05quit to the static like it had minimize

0:54:08itself to the status bar as if you'd

0:54:09what used to happen if it still happens

0:54:11windows gaming but we used to happen if

0:54:13you actually hit the Windows key + or

0:54:15invoked alt-tab in any other way so I so

0:54:17I got accused of did you did you put

0:54:19your finger on the button and I'm like

0:54:20no I cannot linger on a button i would

0:54:22also like Anton my heart smart i just

0:54:25want to rule that out because you know

0:54:27it's it's right on the board next all

0:54:29the buttons anyway then this happened

0:54:31have a great but it happens to the best

0:54:33of us every pc gamer actually hit the

0:54:35Windows key sometimes it always happens

0:54:36anyway so that's of course I see the

0:54:40game like minimize the taskbar and of

0:54:42course once the game

0:54:44to minimize the taskbar you can't get it

0:54:46to resume like that that's it it's over

0:54:47you have to like force quit you can

0:54:49still hear it you can still move the

0:54:50character around you can't like there's

0:54:51no way you can get a back full screen

0:54:53again because windows game apparently

0:54:55has an advanced is a problem in 1999 and

0:54:58the cursor disappears the cursor totally

0:55:00disappears you can even do anything

0:55:01because the game captures the mouse

0:55:03cursor still is it seemed like alt-tab

0:55:06to nothing else to get the cursor bag

0:55:08it's it's like I I'm shocked that

0:55:11Windows has not fix these problems in

0:55:12the like 16 years since i first started

0:55:16seeing like how really how they not fix

0:55:18this

0:55:18anyway they haven't because windows is

0:55:20terrible

0:55:21so anyway we eventually like you know I

0:55:24i get back in the game where we tried

0:55:26rebooting we tried installing other

0:55:27videos are overlooking the internet for

0:55:28solutions of course the internet is full

0:55:29of garbage so expensive i leave United

0:55:32tries again and we start getting this

0:55:34balloon that comes up that the video

0:55:37driver has stopped responding but it has

0:55:40recovered so first of all who the hell

0:55:43writes these messages like that Wyatt

0:55:46why does a user needs to know like what

0:55:48what is a regular person I mean we are

0:55:51experts sort of non-windows our gaming

0:55:53but like we're computer experts and I

0:55:55know what all those words mean and i

0:55:58still can't tell you what the hell is

0:55:59supposed to do about that

0:56:00maybe it's the ram backmarker don't even

0:56:03understand don't ya don't even

0:56:07understand market the you think those

0:56:08are messages are bad imagine just a hex

0:56:10code that's all you get is a hex code

0:56:12and their error an error has occured

0:56:14hectic and then just go scouring the

0:56:17internet hoping that somebody has hit

0:56:19this before and has a fix

0:56:21do you remember what I told the story in

0:56:22the pockets because i remember to

0:56:23remember i had to do to get my video you

0:56:25know basically to get my video drivers

0:56:27to remember that no because I had took a

0:56:29few runs out where is all the bootcamp

0:56:31drivers but i reinstall windows then

0:56:33install the bootcamp drivers but every

0:56:35time I saw the bootcamp drivers had made

0:56:36my system unbootable like you would boot

0:56:37back up and recognize you want to try to

0:56:40repair and would try to repair and it

0:56:42would never succeed and be like oh well

0:56:44alright so what I had to do was install

0:56:46the drivers then do apples little boot

0:56:48camp driver installation but stop it as

0:56:51soon as sound works because it makes a

0:56:53sound when installed the driver and i

0:56:54had to forcibly kill the driver in

0:56:56isolation and then install like that

0:56:58because i had three things I had that

0:57:00windows itself i had the ati drivers for

0:57:04the radeon drivers like third-party

0:57:06drivers from the radeon site for

0:57:08bootcamp specifically AMD says these are

0:57:10the ones used for bootcamp for this

0:57:12video card right and then I had the

0:57:13Apple drivers and the combination of

0:57:15three of them as I had to do them in a

0:57:16certain order and I had to kill the

0:57:17apple one as soon as sound worked and

0:57:20that is a setup that work for a bit but

0:57:21that was like an hour's worth of seng

0:57:23there so it's never easy and I think

0:57:24it's easy but I figured it was because

0:57:26my computer is ancient and like it would

0:57:28be easier on our computer I feel like

0:57:30when people go through all of these

0:57:31steps to to do something simple and they

0:57:34they recount all the steps in the

0:57:35craziness and it took me a day and I did

0:57:37this and then I did this and then I got

0:57:39into work and now it works it's fine i

0:57:41feel like it's like a metal layer i got

0:57:44a badge of honor right that everyone's

0:57:46wearing now that almost nothing but look

0:57:48at me things that I did to get my think

0:57:50my mind my simple task to do to play a

0:57:53game just a game the game it is well let

0:57:56me remind everyone said though let me

0:57:59remind everyone i was making a fairly

0:58:00lucrative living in windows and did

0:58:02everything in my power to leave that

0:58:04behind

0:58:05maybe maybe that was for a reason may be

0:58:08that reason might be windows this just

0:58:10reminds you of why why we all have max

0:58:12like this is this is the reason why is

0:58:14it that the trick is that if if this is

0:58:17proposes a solution is easy way to play

0:58:19a game by somebody

0:58:21no but different her for you know

0:58:23personally I had more faith and

0:58:25marketability to the second of all local

0:58:27the most important thing is Marco can

0:58:30have these struggles because the

0:58:32timeline is already incredibly stretched

0:58:33out because of all his did you know

0:58:35having whoring and trying to say I was

0:58:36gonna do you don't presented as ready to

0:58:39play unless you're sure it's ready to

0:58:41play like you don't like it the making

0:58:44the promise like a lot but I don't drive

0:58:45everything's all set like you should

0:58:46have known like tip should not you

0:58:48should even talk to tiff about this

0:58:49until you you've loaded it played for 15

0:58:52minutes

0:58:53reset to the beginning of the game and

0:58:54say okay now it's ready for you like

0:58:56that's when it's actually ready you

0:58:57don't you don't involve her unless she

0:58:59wants to do it herself fine she can do

0:59:01all this crap but if you're going to

0:59:02deal with the crap don't call her in to

0:59:04look at it until it's really done that's

0:59:05the secret to all the geeky like stuff

0:59:08you're you know doing for your family

0:59:10you don't want to show them what it

0:59:11actually takes to get this done you

0:59:12don't call them into the room until the

0:59:14thing is already loaded in itunes or

0:59:15netflix until it's already queuing up

0:59:17until you've seen the paramount logo

0:59:18appear like you know all the network

0:59:20characters are working you know you're

0:59:22signed in you know everything had

0:59:23software update the popcorn is popping

0:59:25they come in they sit down you hit the

0:59:26play button that was already about to

0:59:28play like that's what you gotta do the

0:59:30everyone who's in a relationship at any

0:59:33kind would totally pat me on the back

0:59:36because i didn't say i told you so at

0:59:38that moment when he brought up it was in

0:59:42your eyes it

0:59:43oh yeah well I can't keep it out of my I

0:59:45mean I gotta show you a little bit i

0:59:47mean you're giving me like the look so

0:59:48hard but I didn't say it

0:59:50yes yelled at me on Twitter instead this

0:59:52is transference just taken out of me

0:59:54yeah so anyway so eventually it just

0:59:59keep

0:59:59keep

1:00:00this stupid like display driver stopped

1:00:02responding but we figured it out but yet

1:00:03this is no problem to alert you with via

1:00:05a balloon that kills your game this

1:00:07problem kept happening and I tried you

1:00:09know this is like is like an ati driver

1:00:11control panel so I kept open it up and I

1:00:13turning down settings and tried lowering

1:00:15the resolution which is not easy anymore

1:00:17but eventually dug down and finalists

1:00:20crap in their new interface that's even

1:00:22worse than the old one and eventually

1:00:25figured out like I let me turn all the

1:00:26settings turn all the anti-aliasing

1:00:27Charlie turned down everything that I

1:00:29know to be complex and it still

1:00:31company's problems my god it's not like

1:00:33an issue of it overloading so I I

1:00:35thought maybe just maybe this is because

1:00:39i had created the installation on my

1:00:40laptop and I was running it on a

1:00:42five-day imac and so I thought let's

1:00:44just try playing the game on the laptop

1:00:47so we abandon ship from the back

1:00:49yeah so to move to the chair was invited

1:00:52for survivors you know got in the boat

1:00:54and we left the imac and we moved onto

1:00:57the chair with a laptop

1:00:59yeah so finally went over finally play

1:01:03the game on laptop and it was suppose

1:01:07the first problem you had There was that

1:01:09it was that the one now I just need you

1:01:11to get my pen right and and we've rented

1:01:14a power almost in this that was another

1:01:15balloon like that yesterday morning

1:01:17right

1:01:18yeah yeah the batteries ran out we have

1:01:20to plug in because it's a laptop yet

1:01:21turns out when you play games laptop

1:01:23batteries don't last very long

1:01:24what a surprise so it's ok so i go back

1:01:28to play the game tonight since I stayed

1:01:30up so late last night trying to finish

1:01:31the game in time but I get just got so

1:01:33late i was i was very very tired in the

1:01:36ultimate insult

1:01:36I went to bed before she did and then

1:01:39alexa turns off all the lights on me

1:01:41which was the worst but i had to turn it

1:01:43back on

1:01:44I felt so cool good for mood lighting

1:01:46all right it's good atmosphere for that

1:01:48well I had it mostly dark I just didn't

1:01:50want the whole house to be dark like the

1:01:51other rooms lights went off and I was

1:01:53like plunged into the you know pit of

1:01:56darkness so I had to have her turn it

1:01:57back on

1:01:58anyway so tonight he's podcasting i have

1:02:01my game on a laptop it's portable i can

1:02:04leave the office i can go play wherever

1:02:05I want a nice sit-down and i'm getting

1:02:07ready to play and a message is tattooed

1:02:11in the corner of this dark

1:02:13game it says activate windows go to

1:02:17settings activate Thank You Margo never

1:02:20activated it's right where you left that

1:02:22part of the story is like all click the

1:02:24see a register later like yeah you

1:02:25caught that little little thing that you

1:02:27have to there so it's tattooed on the

1:02:29bottom of the game

1:02:30everything is dark and you know if

1:02:32anyone has played inside you kind of see

1:02:34the video is a lot of silhouettes it is

1:02:36it's very distracting when you have big

1:02:39white letters right at the bottom of the

1:02:41screen shouting at you about activating

1:02:43your windows which whatever the hell

1:02:47that means whatever the hell that means

1:02:49and so I go to the settings so it could

1:02:51tell me and it says there's a button

1:02:53that says do you want to know what the

1:02:54hell this means and so I click the

1:02:55button and it tells me that I need some

1:02:58sort of key and I need to have this

1:03:00program go in and change settings in my

1:03:03computer in order to get this key and

1:03:05what does that just makes me panic so

1:03:07I'm here texting Marco while he's

1:03:09podcasting asking him for a kid he's

1:03:12like Kenya wait I'm like no there's a

1:03:13huge ugly tattoo all over my game and

1:03:16then in that process the gamestops booty

1:03:18it won't boot anymore it just won't it

1:03:20just stops it's just spinning into the

1:03:23abyss steam doesn't work nothing's

1:03:25working

1:03:26finally he sends me the message of with

1:03:29the key in it so thank you whoever gave

1:03:31us that key your awesome i put it in i

1:03:35missed type it I put it in again and it

1:03:39works and then i have to shut down all

1:03:41the programs that i had open and open

1:03:42them again because it can't figure out

1:03:45what i just did and so now the game is

1:03:48sitting on the laptop and it is running

1:03:50and it looks great and Marco calls me in

1:03:53here so that's where we are

1:03:56I'm so glad that journey is only

1:03:59available in the console because he

1:04:00actually destroying the experience of in

1:04:02Cyprus is moody you know atmospheric

1:04:05game you really want to get into a quiet

1:04:06house but not to worry about instead

1:04:08you're being accosted by terrible little

1:04:11balloon set asking you to update windows

1:04:13tell me about your driver i really just

1:04:16ate up all night last night and finished

1:04:17it i think i have only about like 40

1:04:19minutes left

1:04:20God yeah it's so in conclusion

1:04:25bootcamp sucks John you were wrong and

1:04:29windows sucks and you suck installing

1:04:31boot camp I think that's clear

1:04:32i I can't really argue with that but I

1:04:35mean it sounds even from your experience

1:04:38it sounds like there's just a baseline

1:04:40level of windows crappiness that you

1:04:42have to deal with even if you do

1:04:43everything right well even if you have a

1:04:45PC and it seems like that is

1:04:47approximately like seventy-five percent

1:04:49of the trouble we had so it isn't even

1:04:51that much less than the trouble we have

1:04:53well but you but you did you make bad

1:04:55choices you didn't activate immediately

1:04:57you didn't think about the fact you had

1:04:58update you installed one attached two

1:05:00different hardware then you're going to

1:05:01play on like they're all mistakes that i

1:05:02could have got you away from you you

1:05:05presented as a tip before you knew it

1:05:06was ready like that some of these are

1:05:07just procedural marriage mistakes and

1:05:09some of them are technical assistance

1:05:10windows and like and see what I'm doing

1:05:14it myself i am both the preparer and the

1:05:16person who I'm playing for I'm the most

1:05:17demanding customer for playing I don't

1:05:19want to even begin to play session until

1:05:20I'm absolutely dead sure that everything

1:05:22is all set right

1:05:23John next time you say that this is

1:05:26going to be fine and it's so easy just

1:05:28put something on this thing and then we

1:05:30can play it you're gonna come over here

1:05:31first and do it for us and then I like

1:05:34you I feel like you should bring the

1:05:35computer to me for the service but yeah

1:05:37there's a surprise John doesn't want to

1:05:39leave the house don't know but it

1:05:40wouldn't matter I'd like to drive places

1:05:42in his test literally making pizza we

1:05:44can show up I'm cool with that yeah i do

1:05:46that seems like nobody wants to hear

1:05:49so now that we've got you both here you

1:05:50have this terrible experience like

1:05:52another thing you need to know is the

1:05:54care and feeding of bootcamp partition

1:05:55and steam like I'm gonna die and in the

1:05:58future that for Marco's is fine there

1:06:01will come a time in the future when you

1:06:02want to use this again to play game will

1:06:04there really yeah

1:06:06don't assume that because you played a

1:06:07game on it three months ago that you're

1:06:09like oh I already have that i'll just go

1:06:10into it and download the gameplay you

1:06:12will not they'll be windows updates will

1:06:14be steamed updates you might have to be

1:06:15updated drivers after both of those

1:06:17happen like it's you know you have there

1:06:20is a care and feeding of it the longer

1:06:22you go longer it takes that's why I

1:06:23still usually allow for like eight with

1:06:25an existing bootcamp partition like when

1:06:27I had XP i allowed for one day to

1:06:29install by the game to all the updates

1:06:30launch it make sure it runs the next day

1:06:34would be the play that they could ask

1:06:36playing the game but just not you know

1:06:37it's not that bad just that but you just

1:06:39have to plan for if you go in and say

1:06:40okay this new game is out

1:06:42I've set aside this time I'm going to

1:06:44boot back into boot camp for the first

1:06:45time in three months you will not be

1:06:47playing that game for a long time right

1:06:49so you have to have the you know if you

1:06:52use the boot campers in every day was

1:06:54fine like it you know sort of beat you

1:06:55it's like using your Mac everyday

1:06:56everyone from all those updates or

1:06:58whatever but it really kills you just

1:07:00leave a dormant for months and months so

1:07:01keep that in mind the next time the game

1:07:03is out if she wants to play it get it

1:07:04all set up for ahead of time

1:07:06make sure all the updates to run

1:07:07launched it play a little bit of

1:07:09yourself

1:07:10delete the savegame go back to the

1:07:11beginning make sure he's and I don't

1:07:12think you can purchase healthy already

1:07:13because those buttons those bubbles with

1:07:15the the you know while you maybe want to

1:07:17activate it on the laptop is fine if

1:07:19she's going to play their imac wipe the

1:07:20whole thing start over install the imac

1:07:22from the beginning when she's not there

1:07:23something you may have to sacrifice your

1:07:25own sleep to do this instead of just

1:07:27going to bed early because you're tired

1:07:28from fighting with windows so what part

1:07:30of this is the fun playing the game

1:07:33which is you're supposed to let her have

1:07:34all the fun and you do all the work

1:07:35that's is still too if I'm still here

1:07:39I didn't really leave I did oh I just be

1:07:43like that knowing that there is another

1:07:45way to do this where you just turn on a

1:07:47game and it's there and maybe there's

1:07:49one update is just well it's better I I

1:07:52think you already under underestimate

1:07:54the number updates on consoles like you

1:07:56got your xbox one out-of-the-box you're

1:07:58not playing the you know inside on that

1:08:00xbox and so you run through all the

1:08:01updates the xbox system software then

1:08:03download the game and then whatever

1:08:04patches that it's not it's better it's

1:08:06way better not gonna say it's not but

1:08:08it's not like oh we the xbox just

1:08:10arrived set that up for me after I

1:08:12finished lunch i'll start playing now

1:08:13you want

1:08:14that's the problem it's like like we we

1:08:16think of consoles like the way the Sega

1:08:18Genesis was it just literally always

1:08:20work exactly the same way you plug in

1:08:21the game you eternal on it starts

1:08:23immediately a place that game you're

1:08:24done

1:08:25well that's the way steam on mac works

1:08:27sort of you constantly using your mac

1:08:30and you constantly updating and I bet

1:08:31steam updates like every other time you

1:08:32launch it anyway even on your Mac it's

1:08:33just you're constantly doing that so the

1:08:35updates are gigantic and it's not seven

1:08:36of them it's just you know the cost of

1:08:38doing business the ongoing cost of just

1:08:39using your mac and running updates all

1:08:41the time whenever you

1:08:42like it i don't think i want to pay this

1:08:43cost John Marco supposed to say I said

1:08:46why he doesn't work you have all the fun

1:08:49yeah why is he the one paying this

1:08:50costume why aren't you why aren't I

1:08:52getting berated to learn how to do all

1:08:54this stuff myself

1:08:55come on it's obvious you could but then

1:08:57you have to pay the costs and then you

1:08:58have to have the fun but that's what i

1:08:59did i no one else my family is helping

1:09:01me set up my boot campers and i pay the

1:09:02costs and I have the funder saying the

1:09:04situation of the market was going to do

1:09:05it for you then you that's the

1:09:07arrangement you can have if you want to

1:09:08do it all yourself and not trust market

1:09:10to do it because maybe you have exactly

1:09:11as much more windows he dies which is

1:09:13entirely plausible than you can know who

1:09:18that's insulting you

1:09:21Marco trust me huh anyway hope this game

1:09:24is good you want to finish yeah I need

1:09:26to go finish this game

1:09:27all right i'll see you on the

1:09:28incomparable John ok to enjoy thanks a

1:09:31lot incomparable for causing all this

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1:12:00what why because they want a thinner

1:12:04iphone yeah that fits perfectly with the

1:12:07with the quitting on the absolute we

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1:12:10and is mostly pointless and possibly

1:12:13detrimental depending on what's going on

1:12:15turning the control center brightness

1:12:17down is exactly the same kind of like it

1:12:19makes no logical sense if you think

1:12:20about it because brightness must mean

1:12:22uses the battery and even though putting

1:12:24to sleep i feel better about turning the

1:12:25brightness all the way down because it

1:12:26actually wakes up in my pocket or the

1:12:28next time I wake it up

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1:12:35entrails or in a circle around their bed

1:12:37at night to make their phone charge

1:12:38faster whatever there is no any other

1:12:40things that they will do like if if we

1:12:42could put more things in like control

1:12:44center and settings and stuff it seemed

1:12:46to be power related before they put

1:12:48their phones to sleep is the best one

1:12:49because the screen is basically off when

1:12:51you put it to sleep and yet they still

1:12:52want to turn the brightness down and you

1:12:54know it's like the energy used by

1:12:56pulling up control center and it's

1:12:58probably you know negates the energy

1:13:00they say by having the brightness down a

1:13:02millisecond before they hit the power

1:13:03button to put the thing to sleep but

1:13:05wait there is some validity here because

1:13:07if a notification comes in

1:13:09cause of the screen to light up it will

1:13:11then be at lower brightness for those

1:13:12like five seconds i know i understand

1:13:14yes very briefly on and yeah I know I

1:13:17know but like but seriously like the

1:13:18amount of time they send on on the

1:13:20double tap the home button and flicking

1:13:22those things up and the GPU cycle the

1:13:24energy of like quickly is for like the

1:13:25other it's just this is naughty and not

1:13:28to mention time which is a resource that

1:13:30is not renewable like this is not a good

1:13:32use of your time if you're doing this

1:13:34please stop if you see your friends

1:13:35putting apps try to convince them that

1:13:37it's not the thing to do I really

1:13:38desperately hope that Apple does like

1:13:41makes force quitting apps require like

1:13:43double key ignition like the nuclear

1:13:46launch code type things like makes it so

1:13:48much more cumbersome so that to actually

1:13:50force quit every single one of your

1:13:51applications would just take way too

1:13:54long and then that will force people to

1:13:55stop this was I think there they'll give

1:13:57up it takes 17 taps in a way that's

1:13:59happened to hold a force press this to

1:14:01force quit one app will they

1:14:03yeah i think i'll just take too long

1:14:04like they won't be able to put the phone

1:14:06away they also has been 15 minutes did

1:14:08like then you know we talked about it

1:14:09for the google the other extremist just

1:14:11give him a button that makes all the

1:14:12pictures go away but doesn't actually

1:14:13force quit anything but you still

1:14:14legitimately need a way to force great

1:14:16apps on your phone so that has to exist

1:14:18that's just it

1:14:20this is such a mess this this whole

1:14:22enterprise apples partially to blame but

1:14:24so are people passing around sort of

1:14:27superstitions about what you should do

1:14:29your phone and yes Marco I saw your dick

1:14:30there yes Apple should make phones with

1:14:32more battery we all agree yeah I mean

1:14:34that's not gonna get the course of today

1:14:36I wait till they announce the new phone

1:14:38but if they did you think it would stop

1:14:39these people from like turning Bryan and

1:14:41I don't think it would because it's not

1:14:42it's not founded is not evidence-based

1:14:44medicine as they say which as we know as

1:14:46we go call normally medicine

1:14:48well but you know it yeah you know if if

1:14:51people weren't always running out of

1:14:53battery

1:14:54they wouldn't be so desperate for

1:14:56solutions and he even if these solutions

1:14:59are fake or an effective they're still a

1:15:01very clear demand here that customers

1:15:04are saying and have been saying for a

1:15:05very long time

1:15:07my battery doesn't last long enough and

1:15:09therefore i'm going to seek out stupid

1:15:11tricks to make it last longer

1:15:12yeah well so that but the bad thing

1:15:14about these tricks is they do them like

1:15:16so everyone has had the battery run out

1:15:17at some point and the more you have

1:15:18around the more you're going to seek out

1:15:19the superstition so there's a true that

1:15:21right

1:15:21but the other thing is that like it runs

1:15:23out because they're out for a long day

1:15:26played a lot of games there was a bug in

1:15:27the OSR bug in some apps that burn

1:15:29through the battery and that triggers

1:15:31the seeking out of soup that you know

1:15:32asking the people in your tribe what you

1:15:34do to make this magical device not

1:15:36around a battery they tell you all these

1:15:37tricks and you you do these tricks

1:15:39religiously and the next day your

1:15:41battery doesn't run out and you

1:15:42attribute the fact that your battery

1:15:44didn't run out to the fact that you did

1:15:45all these tricks no se but you don't

1:15:46need to do all that said no I do these

1:15:48things and now my battery doesn't run

1:15:49out like they don't understand that the

1:15:50reason about a round of the day before I

1:15:51had nothing to do with not doing those

1:15:52things it was a different situation so

1:15:54they every time they do these every day

1:15:56they go through and the battery doesn't

1:15:58run out and I do all this stuff

1:15:59reinforces in their mind the idea that

1:16:00doing these things cause the battery not

1:16:02to run out which is not the case right

1:16:03and so there's it's almost impossible to

1:16:06convince them they should stop doing

1:16:07this did like but when i do this is like

1:16:10the leases rock and simpsons you know

1:16:12this rock keeps away Tigers you know and

1:16:14it sounds like having to rockaway tigers

1:16:16and lisa says you don't see any Tigers

1:16:17do you and then Homer says Lisa I'd like

1:16:19to buy that rock like that's not the

1:16:21human brain works so it's impossible to

1:16:23convince people these things don't work

1:16:24so i think the battery life and the

1:16:26iphone could stand improvement but for

1:16:29most people it last tour normal sort of

1:16:31medium to light used a heavy use days

1:16:33it's still not sufficient which is why i

1:16:35have battery cases and those days people

1:16:37run out of batteries and those are the

1:16:38days that drive them to seek out these

1:16:40things but you see but that's that's

1:16:41that's the problem here like we

1:16:43mentioned earlier in our in the camera

1:16:45discussion i was saying how like you

1:16:47these new Maryland's cameras have

1:16:48especially to set this at the high end

1:16:50so anyone's have terrible battery life

1:16:52and on my sony I've done all sorts of

1:16:54stupid tricks to try to stretch the

1:16:57better life a little bit further because

1:16:58it just isn't good enough and I have

1:16:59always liked you I keep the phone on

1:17:01airplane mode so i don't using the Wi-Fi

1:17:02feature have always liked all the screen

1:17:04turn off really fast and it in all this

1:17:05stuff like all these tricks to try to

1:17:07save a little bit about that power

1:17:09because it's so scarce

1:17:10meanwhile i never once had to seek out a

1:17:12trick I had to save battery power on my

1:17:15SLR because the battery was so

1:17:16ridiculously big and it didn't use that

1:17:19much of it that it was just hardly ever

1:17:20a problem the solution to this problem

1:17:23is to fix the symptoms that cause people

1:17:26to see that these solutions in the first

1:17:28place and I'm not like when people say

1:17:30like oh we're kin phones go we they are

1:17:32so mature now I don't know what phones

1:17:33can get better at

1:17:34only they can get better at this this is

1:17:36one big thing that has always been a

1:17:38problem with with almost all portable

1:17:40devices especially cell phones and I

1:17:44think it's really time to start thinking

1:17:45about the problem differently it's very

1:17:47clear that the way Apple things about

1:17:49this problem is they have the way they

1:17:51they they were these certain tests of

1:17:53like you know voice usage and light web

1:17:56browsing and everything but I think it's

1:17:58increasingly clear that we keep coming

1:18:00up with really cool things we can do

1:18:02with these phones that use

1:18:04something-or-other that needs a lot of

1:18:06power whether it's the GPS chip or the

1:18:08camera or the high-end cpu speed and you

1:18:11may be using the GPU do a bunch of cool

1:18:133d stuff using AR compositing using

1:18:16advanced processing whatever the case

1:18:17may be we are coming up with things that

1:18:19we can do with these phones that justice

1:18:21or the battery and along with the ones

1:18:22we already had things like you know

1:18:24turn-by-turn directions like that that

1:18:25slaughters the batteries you're keeping

1:18:26gps on I don't think this makes for a

1:18:29good overall product that the story is

1:18:32the battle week will be good enough as

1:18:34long as you don't really do much with it

1:18:36why should be penalized for using it the

1:18:39way you know using all these great

1:18:40features that you've added and and

1:18:42developed and and/or that I've bought in

1:18:44the app store or more likely in taking

1:18:47the appstore gotten in the app store you

1:18:49know why is this okay why is the status

1:18:51quo and and why why is considered good

1:18:54enough

1:18:55oh yeah well it's totally normal for any

1:18:58non-trivial use of your phone even if

1:19:01you use too trivial things for a long

1:19:02time during the day those battery life

1:19:05estimates are based on very light usage

1:19:07of your phone and having it off in your

1:19:09pocket most of the day

1:19:11well our phones are increasingly

1:19:12becoming our computers that's not how

1:19:14people use computers people's computers

1:19:15more all day than that it's like I feel

1:19:18like we are standards are too low both

1:19:20us as consumers are expectations and

1:19:23apple standards in this area are too low

1:19:25that when you start thinking about like

1:19:27how amazing

1:19:29could the phone be if the battery was

1:19:32not the same as it was now was not just

1:19:34like fifteen percent bigger what if it

1:19:36was four times bigger like how would

1:19:39that change the way we can use these

1:19:41devices

1:19:42how would it change how how many of

1:19:43these stupid habits would people no

1:19:45longer need to do

1:19:47if the average person during the two

1:19:49years they own their phone never ran a

1:19:52battery or maybe it happened once you

1:19:54like things would change dramatically

1:19:56but we are never going to get there if

1:19:59we keep making these little tiny

1:20:00incremental improvements because we've

1:20:02declared 10 hours wireless web or

1:20:04whatever to be good enough

1:20:07well I think that we are there it's just

1:20:09were there by strapping backpacks to our

1:20:11phones and that's why Apple made the

1:20:13battery case what that's why mophie

1:20:14makes a killing with every new phone i

1:20:17agree with you by and large that we

1:20:19really should expect and ask for a

1:20:21little bit more juice on these phones

1:20:22and and I think we've talked all three

1:20:24of us to talk about this to death on

1:20:25prior episodes but it really the the

1:20:28fixed today is to strap a humpback here

1:20:31to turn your phone into a humpback phone

1:20:33and then the problem solved

1:20:35real-time follow up on the Real pressing

1:20:37issue here which is the Luna to the the

1:20:39really ridiculous habits of the youths

1:20:43of Britain when your phone is in your

1:20:46pocket

1:20:47it will not light up at least on iOS 10

1:20:49i just sent myself a push notification I

1:20:52had my finger mashed on the ambient

1:20:55light sensor and it did not light up

1:20:56that maybe it maybe those chances we

1:20:58could have it facing a certain direction

1:21:00maybe different os's did like a lot of

1:21:01the superstition and stuff is based on

1:21:03like maybe the current one doesn't

1:21:04relate they don't they don't update is

1:21:06not evidence based on updating it based

1:21:07on current scenarios and as we set our

1:21:09past shows force quitting can actually

1:21:10cost your battery life if you're just

1:21:12going to use that same app again you're

1:21:13causing it to launch for fresh state

1:21:14over and over and over it's better to

1:21:16resume is better to have it suspended

1:21:17and resume it better for your battery

1:21:19thing you're trying to say but i think

1:21:21this whole topic segues nicely into the

1:21:23actually the first time our topic this

1:21:25was talking about the the iphone 7

1:21:26rumors which mostly stuff that we talked

1:21:28about before but you know another topic

1:21:31we visit before it's like oh this one

1:21:32looks like it's going to be about the

1:21:33same size and shape as the iphone 6 and

1:21:36I assume the inside as they usually do

1:21:39will become slightly more

1:21:40power-efficient various ways so if it's

1:21:43the same size of the iphone 6 the inside

1:21:45the more power-efficient it should get

1:21:47better battery life right like this

1:21:49should be it's not like we're mark was

1:21:51talking about four times bigger but it

1:21:53it seems like it could be potentially a

1:21:55change the trend where from year to year

1:21:57battery life is basically the same that

1:22:00you know they're basically like they

1:22:01they they they have a new phone but they

1:22:03make a little bit thinner and they try

1:22:04to you know the insides take less power

1:22:06but they use less but they put a smaller

1:22:07battery in it to make it thinner and to

1:22:09try to you know like the ipad and try to

1:22:10keep it around 10 hours keep their stats

1:22:12around the same and very some go up and

1:22:13some go down it's not a smooth slope but

1:22:15for this going to be the third year in a

1:22:17row with the same physical size phone i

1:22:20have to think that this has to have

1:22:22better battery life at least better much

1:22:23better battery life in the six not just

1:22:25like a little bump on the graph but

1:22:26significantly better and if it doesn't I

1:22:28wonder what they're using like have they

1:22:30found a new way to suck up all that

1:22:32battery power because like it it may be

1:22:35too much to ask as we have so many times

1:22:37for Apple please make one fat phone like

1:22:39ya don't make all your phones fat but to

1:22:41make one fat phone why not make one fat

1:22:43one for the people who wants a better

1:22:45and one fat laptop yeah exactly right

1:22:47but they're not going to do that this

1:22:49may be again one of the potential silver

1:22:51linings of the otherwise fairly

1:22:53unremarkable iphone 7 from what we know

1:22:55from the rumors and potentially

1:22:57infuriating iphone 7 with no headphone

1:22:59port is hey it could have better battery

1:23:02life than the six and success in a way

1:23:04that people would notice there's still

1:23:06force quit all their apps in turn the

1:23:07screen brightness down but whatever

1:23:09no but it's see that something like it's

1:23:11not the way you get better battery life

1:23:13is by a dramatic change in the power

1:23:16efficiency of the components or by

1:23:19increasing the battery size and that's

1:23:21how it that's how this happens not

1:23:22biased like you're not like fifteen

1:23:24percent like it's fifteen percent more

1:23:25battery life that's nice i'll take it

1:23:27but that's not going to change anybody's

1:23:28behavior that's not going to be a

1:23:29radical shift in what we can do with

1:23:31these devices that we couldn't do before

1:23:32it could change new users behavior

1:23:34because if they never actually run out

1:23:36of battery

1:23:37they won't seek out these tweaks like

1:23:38you said if you never get into

1:23:39situations run out and it could be that

1:23:42for a huge philosophy / 15 more fifteen

1:23:44percent more is enough to get them over

1:23:45the hump we're like before there but

1:23:48they better would have been dead in it i

1:23:49would have had an hour left until they

1:23:50get home and put on the nightstand and

1:23:52now at last that extra hour and and and

1:23:54has 30 minutes to spare after that so

1:23:56they feel like maybe they feel like I

1:23:57just made it maybe have a little bit of

1:23:58anxiety but they never actually

1:24:00literally run out of battery

1:24:02I think that will go a long way to

1:24:03helping and really like three years same

1:24:05size like the components and so i can

1:24:07get smaller to making room for more

1:24:09battery like all the same form factor

1:24:11for three years I think if you add up

1:24:14all the small games over those years the

1:24:16difference between 26 and 27 is going to

1:24:18be huge difference success and seven

1:24:20maybe not as huge but this is all

1:24:22predicated on something we're not sure

1:24:24about which is who they could have done

1:24:26the same thing with the cpu like oh we

1:24:27we have a more power efficient process

1:24:29for and we've you know reduce the number

1:24:31of chips and some of our chips are made

1:24:33on a smaller process than they used to

1:24:34be like the ancillary supporting ships

1:24:36so we do have a power drop let's use

1:24:38that to crank the clock speed

1:24:39let's use that to add more course to the

1:24:41GPU like we have no idea what's inside

1:24:43the system on the ship so could be there

1:24:45all everything i'm saying is not true

1:24:46and in fact they basically use their

1:24:48budget of extra space and extra power to

1:24:52make this phone faster because that's

1:24:53the only thing that I've heard about

1:24:55this phone

1:24:55besides the dual cameras on the dawn

1:24:57supposedly on the big one that makes you

1:24:59make someone think that it would be

1:25:01better than the successes like well

1:25:02it'll be faster because you know i'll

1:25:05have a better system on a chip on it and

1:25:06doesn't everyone like faster yes I do

1:25:08like faster just complaining about slow

1:25:10iphone last week and dual cameras might

1:25:12be neat but on the other hand and taking

1:25:14away the headphone port anything looks

1:25:15the same so I maybe that's not enough

1:25:18that's the thing i mean like from what

1:25:20we know from revolve know in quotes what

1:25:22the rumors say so far what we've heard

1:25:25from various birdies and tipsters is

1:25:27basically that yet the same shape and

1:25:29size it's a little bit lighter weight

1:25:31and it's you know faster a lot faster

1:25:34supposedly and there was there was very

1:25:36briefly macrumors repost of a story

1:25:39about Allah the hit appear on their feet

1:25:41and was nowhere on their site but I i

1:25:43say that of course that there is

1:25:45allegedly a leaf d pinch test of the new

1:25:47of the new a10 ship and it if it was

1:25:51real it showed roughly fifty percent

1:25:53performance increase over the the a9

1:25:57that's cool you know that's real and you

1:25:59know that kind of matches up kind of

1:26:00what we've been hearing so you know

1:26:02that's it is probably a lot faster and

1:26:04that's great but if if things get more

1:26:07power-efficient Apple spends it

1:26:08basically like any gains they get

1:26:10inefficiency they spend it in other

1:26:12places and they keep roughly the same

1:26:14target battery life

1:26:15because they they think in general

1:26:17they've that they have good battery life

1:26:18and that's where I think like no like we

1:26:21too weak to work on that assumption

1:26:22there there's a great post in six colors

1:26:24a couple years ago where Jason basically

1:26:26went through and graft the battery life

1:26:29over time by Apple's various testing

1:26:31metrics of iphones and ipads and the

1:26:34iphone graph is very little bit but

1:26:36they're all kind of in the same range

1:26:38and the 6 plus comes out and it's like a

1:26:40big jump up did it doesn't include the s

1:26:43generation that's too old and the funny

1:26:44thing is that the ipad battery life is a

1:26:47straight line like this it's always 10

1:26:49hours but it did changed no part of that

1:26:52because any advances they make in power

1:26:56efficiency etc they they basically spend

1:27:00by making the battery smaller or by

1:27:03increasing the power budget for things

1:27:05like a faster cpu so Apple is clearly

1:27:09you know it is jason put it in this

1:27:11article solving for x like they've

1:27:14determined like a a certain battery life

1:27:16to be this is good this is a good target

1:27:18we don't really need to get much better

1:27:20than this

1:27:21so let's any games we make them we can

1:27:24make the devices thinner and lighter or

1:27:25whatever or make the CPUs faster or

1:27:27whatever and that this is the problem

1:27:30like i don't see how we get off this

1:27:31treadmill basically like I ICS

1:27:34continuing to make these incremental

1:27:36advantage the incremental advances over

1:27:38you know here and there like like you

1:27:40next year supposedly we're getting an

1:27:41oled screen and that will be a big power

1:27:43savings but is that is that they're

1:27:46going to go into making the phone

1:27:47thinner and lighter probably or you know

1:27:49putting other you know making other

1:27:51components use more power or whatever

1:27:52else like that's probably gonna happen

1:27:54instead because Apple feels that this is

1:27:55good enough because they didn't feel

1:27:57this was good enough they would release

1:27:58a thicker one that you could buy through

1:28:00work with more battery power

1:28:01the thing about those graphs is Apple's

1:28:03controlling all aspects of them may

1:28:05control the product they also control

1:28:06the methodology of the measurement

1:28:07that's true then i assume apples

1:28:09adjusting the methodology because they

1:28:10do collect like all those stats and

1:28:12everything and what you were saying

1:28:14before is essentially telling Apple

1:28:16Apple year you have to change your

1:28:17methodology even more than you have been

1:28:19because people use your phones in

1:28:20different ways they can do many more

1:28:21things like if our people reading

1:28:23Twitter you know in 2008-2009 people

1:28:26reading Twitter on their phones it's

1:28:27like it's a table view full text

1:28:29scrolling it now people are snapchatting

1:28:31that is a whole different you know a

1:28:33battery use sort of profile so I so

1:28:36Apple does updates methodology overtime

1:28:39and based on our diagnostic data they

1:28:41just say while people are really using

1:28:43more power per minute of staring at

1:28:46their phones because the applications

1:28:48are using as you said are doing more

1:28:49interesting things so I hope that they

1:28:51wanted their methodology I can see a

1:28:52scenario where they keep that graph

1:28:54basically level but keep changing their

1:28:56methodology to say

1:28:58normal usage is now uses way more power

1:29:01than it used to

1:29:02and I think they must have been doing

1:29:03that already because it's not as if

1:29:04normal usage and a 3gs is the same as

1:29:05normal usage on on a six like they must

1:29:08be doing that it's just that you again

1:29:09we're we're all saying that they're

1:29:10they're off the curve like they think

1:29:12everything is fine and they're dead

1:29:13they're under maybe just under maybe

1:29:15under by a big amount and there are many

1:29:16ways they can solve they don't seem to

1:29:18be doing it if there but I still feel

1:29:19like they're within shooting distance of

1:29:21it especially keeping the form factor

1:29:22the same for three years in a row and

1:29:24the faster cpu and like fifty percent is

1:29:26a big jump

1:29:27yeah you know it and so you get the

1:29:30advantage of things like race to sleep

1:29:31where how can a faster cpu help you save

1:29:33battery because it gets done with its

1:29:35computation goes back into the low power

1:29:36mode faster right there are you don't

1:29:39you know we're all specs we don't know

1:29:40what the profile this chip is they could

1:29:42burn all the extra energy i'm just more

1:29:44GPU cores for all we know because they

1:29:46love to do that and it's really easy to

1:29:47add them and they do make your games

1:29:48faster but what he hears that here's the

1:29:51problem though so much of modern

1:29:53computing it you know and much of it

1:29:55with Apple devices right in the middle

1:29:56of it is based on this idea that we have

1:29:59to just conserve conserved conserved to

1:30:01sit power everywhere and never push

1:30:03anything too hard for too long the race

1:30:05to sleep it is a big part of that

1:30:07what if we had so much power that we

1:30:10could actually use the cpu I know this

1:30:12is a radical concept that's called

1:30:14that's called a desktop computer and i

1:30:15have one yeah this is a radical concept

1:30:17i know but like like over the weekend I

1:30:20was a this past weekend I was getting

1:30:22some work done on my macbook pro not

1:30:25playing games on it in the mouth of a

1:30:27pro and i was running Xcode and i was i

1:30:29was working on mp3 encoder doing some

1:30:31tests that we talked about last episode

1:30:32using Xcode doing some builds and

1:30:35occasionally having having like a one

1:30:37minute or so burst of all four course

1:30:39being maxed out

1:30:41going back to Xcode code and going back

1:30:43and so you know it was moderate to heavy

1:30:45use not even i'm not even talking about

1:30:46like a handbrake transcode for two hours

1:30:48like I'm just talking like it would max

1:30:50out the course sometimes for a minute or

1:30:53so and then go back to moderate use

1:30:54xcode this made this laptop that is not

1:30:57very old and that when you're not doing

1:30:59much fun it has like a 10-hour quoted

1:31:01battery life have instead a four hour

1:31:04battery life and that sucks like it

1:31:07totally changed how you use it like when

1:31:10if I can use it around the around the

1:31:11house which I was doing like all over

1:31:12anyway we were we were upstate at my

1:31:15in-laws place so i was like you lounging

1:31:18around not not being plugged in tied

1:31:21down anywhere like it was great but if

1:31:23you have if you have to plug in like

1:31:25every few hours to boost that backup

1:31:27that's a lot less useful and it's a lot

1:31:29less compelling and wouldn't it be nice

1:31:31if you didn't have to do that and here

1:31:32they are Apple has basically you know

1:31:35we'll see what the new MacBook Pros have

1:31:37in store but i'm guessing they're not

1:31:40going to have twice the battery life i'm

1:31:42guessing they're gonna have about the

1:31:43same battery life and be thinner and

1:31:45lighter and that's what people want

1:31:46that's fine i wish that was the only

1:31:48option because right now it's like

1:31:49everything apple makes is a thin light

1:31:51and thin lights are great for being thin

1:31:53and light they're only ok for battery

1:31:55life a lot of customers have different

1:31:57needs and this is why I like I really i

1:32:00mean i don't i guess i'll stop harping

1:32:02on this after this but I just I really

1:32:04am sad to see that Apple really keep

1:32:06reducing the amount of choice we have we

1:32:08have we have more and more choice in

1:32:11areas that don't matter like color and

1:32:13we have ever ever less choice on factors

1:32:17that are important to people like me

1:32:20things like battery life and and

1:32:22high-end specs and things like that and

1:32:25that worries me for my future happiness

1:32:28on this platform

1:32:30well but you're you're painting your

1:32:32concerns is the only ones that matter

1:32:34and apples clearly making these

1:32:36decisions based on on what all of the

1:32:40millions upon millions upon millions of

1:32:42iphone users want i do agree with you

1:32:45that twenty-five to fifty percent more

1:32:48battery life I think would make every

1:32:50single iphone user happier but with that

1:32:53said I

1:32:54I don't think doubling the thickness and

1:32:57maybe that's aggressive i don't know but

1:32:59but even even a hundred twenty-five

1:33:01percent of the thickness now that we're

1:33:03all used to these little slivers of of

1:33:05metal

1:33:06I don't know if that would make a lot of

1:33:07people happy and I think a lot of people

1:33:08look at that and go all even even if the

1:33:11same person that just went little wood

1:33:13would really love to have fifty percent

1:33:15more battery life the first reaction

1:33:17will be whole kind of like if they are

1:33:19no remove the headphone jack or

1:33:20something but iight I'm torn because I

1:33:25think I think to some degree you're

1:33:27projecting a little bit what your

1:33:28personal needs and desires are in and

1:33:30and saying these are the only ones that

1:33:32matter because I guess what you're human

1:33:34and since i have similar wants and needs

1:33:36for my devices i tend to agree with you

1:33:38but I don't think we should throw

1:33:40everything out and say oh this is BS and

1:33:43they're not really they're not really

1:33:45doing what anyone wants because i think

1:33:46most people do you just want to thin

1:33:48white phone that lasts all day

1:33:49the problem is is that i don't think

1:33:51many people can get to that last all day

1:33:53part the way it is now and John alluded

1:33:55to earlier said earlier you know if he

1:33:57was fifteen percent better maybe that

1:33:58would get you over the hump well yeah

1:34:00that that's probably true or are you for

1:34:03a lot of people but in my case i am i'm

1:34:08probably at between 10 and 30 percent of

1:34:11the end of most days and i think another

1:34:13ten or fifteen percent if I ended the

1:34:15day at between let's say twenty and

1:34:17forty percent that wouldn't make me stop

1:34:20stressing about my battery life if I

1:34:23ended the day at fifty percent all the

1:34:24time like I did on my watch

1:34:26then i would not be stressed about

1:34:27battery life anymore configured as a

1:34:29personal problem is the personality just

1:34:31like with my percentage you become

1:34:33anxious because we all know people who

1:34:34like use their phone with a little

1:34:35battery meter and the red and they're

1:34:36fine with it and other people will get

1:34:38close to fifty percent same thing with

1:34:39gas tanks by the way is the 15 but my

1:34:42wife asked me the other day she was

1:34:43talking about the light on the dash for

1:34:45like what like like you know the light

1:34:46comes on when you're running low on gas

1:34:47like I've never seen that light and

1:34:49neither should you

1:34:49what are you doing here know that life

1:34:53existed but like you know cases like I

1:34:54i'm not arguing that Apple should make

1:34:57products to fit me period and ignore

1:35:00what everyone else wants

1:35:01I do wish there was more choice and even

1:35:03if that choice wasn't perfect for me you

1:35:05know right now like you know these the

1:35:07way Apple target

1:35:08the battery life and and other factors

1:35:10but you know the better i think the big

1:35:12one the way they target this you

1:35:14basically have an entire product line

1:35:16where everything has roughly the same

1:35:18battery life or you know or fairly close

1:35:21are we talking about the laptops we talk

1:35:23about the phones because the homes if

1:35:24you really wanted

1:35:26if you really want battery life go +

1:35:27club not the screens on the plus has way

1:35:30better battery life if you're talking on

1:35:32it or if it's playing music with the

1:35:33screen off but when the screens on it

1:35:36isn't that much better it's it's a it's

1:35:38a little better but not that much better

1:35:40so you know a lot of these areas where

1:35:42we're like using the screen of the GPU

1:35:44or like a lot of these things it will

1:35:45actually wouldn't be tremendously better

1:35:47but that and that is fair that is you

1:35:49know it is a lot bigger phone and I you

1:35:51know I would I wouldn't mind if my

1:35:53success was thicker I anyway Apple has

1:35:56spent the last few years basically

1:35:58reducing the amount of choice we have in

1:36:00in key areas or in in something like the

1:36:04iphone were now we have more choice in

1:36:05the iphone but we have a lot of choice

1:36:08in in ways that maybe don't matter as

1:36:10much

1:36:11and one of the big things that like

1:36:13everyone is that it is so so often needs

1:36:16is more battery life and we don't really

1:36:18have a choice that the only choice we

1:36:19have is a crappy choice of bolting on

1:36:21additional battery packs to it was like

1:36:23external which suck because they are

1:36:26they have to have you know all the all

1:36:28the overhead of being an excellent

1:36:30peripheral their own casing their own

1:36:32circuitry their own charging their own

1:36:34port their own cables or connectors like

1:36:36all the all the crap that's overhead it

1:36:38isn't just the additional battery so

1:36:41that is a crappy solution and I hope

1:36:43that is not apples long-term only plan

1:36:45and finally I will close this by there's

1:36:48a great line in our chat room a few

1:36:49minutes ago from chris ltd saying what's

1:36:53the point of having consumer and

1:36:54prolines if the consumer and pro lines

1:36:57are basically the same thing

1:36:59consumer lines get updated haha oh my

1:37:06god that's amazing

1:37:08thanks a lot 43 sponsors this week

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1:37:16see you next week

1:37:18now the show is over they didn't even

1:37:23mean to be in because it was accidental

1:37:26was accidental

1:37:29John research Marco and Casey would

1:37:35because it was accidentally was

1:37:38accidental and you can find the show

1:37:42know the day EP that and if twitter

1:37:48follow them

1:37:51yes eyl ISS that's Casey list and a

1:37:57co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment and our AC

1:38:03C recuse it

1:38:18so John and I shared a private moment

1:38:23before the show is something that you

1:38:24need to keep private

1:38:25well no now we want to tell the whole

1:38:27world about a private moment we used

1:38:30google duo together is that the thing

1:38:33where people can show obscene pictures

1:38:35to other people who didn't agree to it

1:38:38yep that's the one yes you could choose

1:38:41to do that if you so desired that was

1:38:42the whole idea is that it shows what's

1:38:44on the you know the before you even

1:38:46accept the call you see video from the

1:38:48others i think there was something about

1:38:49that when i was doing it that like only

1:38:51if they're in your contacts already that

1:38:53happens or there somewhere we talked

1:38:55about it was after Google i/o and they

1:38:57demoed the features they didn't remember

1:38:58i said they didn't say anything about

1:38:59the needs to just say sense said of

1:39:01course you can turn his offer of course

1:39:02it only works on X my situations but

1:39:04instead they said nothing and just

1:39:05presented as look isn't this great when

1:39:08you pick it up before you hit the button

1:39:10that says yes except this video call

1:39:12you're already seeing video from them is

1:39:13like no no one thought about it for two

1:39:15seconds that's terrible

1:39:16unless unless there's some kind of

1:39:18limitations and i'm not sure what they

1:39:20are still not sure what service

1:39:21Casey I was calling each other and we

1:39:23don't care yeah but i don't think i saw

1:39:27you before I agree to the call i thought

1:39:29that feature was android only what is it

1:39:31said there was a thing that came up on

1:39:33my screen that I thought well I tapped

1:39:35in like like a typical computers you tap

1:39:37it away before you agree the thing it

1:39:38was like oh

1:39:39keep in mind that you're going to be

1:39:40anybody it was that okay no it was the

1:39:41button was like okay got it now

1:39:43unfortunately try this like just before

1:39:44we came on to get your phone with no

1:39:47it's alright i'll try right now here we

1:39:48go

1:39:49I'm gonna do your little alright so do

1:39:52you want my phone do all my phone to be

1:39:53a lot to be locked to be in the duo app

1:39:56how do you want to do this doesn't

1:39:58matter I video call go to you on the

1:40:02phone okay incoming call from Syracuse

1:40:05is a notification and come okay i do see

1:40:07you see me there but before you hit

1:40:09except god oh god sorry no i did not see

1:40:13before him except i thought i was muted

1:40:15what the hell's a settings

1:40:18knock knock on it that's what I'm

1:40:21talking about now yeah i was gonna be

1:40:23trouble let me tell you don't enjoy it

1:40:24accepts all right that we are you

1:40:26calling me or by calling you you can

1:40:28call me sir

1:40:28all right let me try calling

1:40:29communication smile knocks on alright

1:40:33gotta say that's the thing is saying

1:40:34doing your smile your video and yeah I

1:40:36see you right now and i have not had

1:40:37except oh then i might get a little

1:40:39decline i can hit decline or accept i'm

1:40:41going to decline you

1:40:43well i will then we go the other way one

1:40:47more time I want to see this now

1:40:49yeah so the future all exist here we go

1:40:51this is super into interesting

1:40:54ok so i can see you right now you can't

1:40:56see me nope

1:40:58how interesting I'm declining you

1:41:00because now being so this is the exact

1:41:01feature we were talking about the fact

1:41:02that my mistake my mistake before casey

1:41:05had decided whether you want to accept

1:41:06this call he's forced to see me and

1:41:08they're that's the the feature is called

1:41:11knocking I think if you turn that

1:41:12setting off but would you know anyway i

1:41:14mostly want to use it just to see how

1:41:15they compare to facetime because that's

1:41:17the roll this thing it's basically

1:41:18cross-platform facetime if you can't do

1:41:20face time with your relatives because

1:41:21they all have android phones because you

1:41:22have an android phone and they have

1:41:24iphones or whatever if everybody gets

1:41:26google duo then you can do essentially

1:41:28the same stuff as space-time across

1:41:31platforms that worrying about getting

1:41:33everyone in your family to use iPhones

1:41:34are getting everyone in your family to

1:41:35use android or whatever the predecessor

1:41:37up to this was if there was one so i

1:41:39think that's good

1:41:40the brief time that we used it the one

1:41:42feature that was annoying both of us was

1:41:43that the little window that shows you

1:41:46like

1:41:46show yourself like this is what the

1:41:48other person is seeing right now it is

1:41:50cropped to a circle which is infuriating

1:41:52because of all the things were showing

1:41:54each other i was trying to show him like

1:41:55my files box in the basement you're

1:41:57comparing our BIOS boxes this is the

1:41:59Savannah Georgia

1:42:00anyway I couldn't tell I couldn't tell

1:42:03the whole files box was in the frame

1:42:04because I had I was holding my phone in

1:42:06portrait orientation because that's

1:42:08basically the orientation of the files

1:42:09box and I want to get the whole thing in

1:42:10the shot but because the preview is

1:42:12circular I could never tell if it was

1:42:14entirely in the frame that you can tap

1:42:16the circle which switches it and now all

1:42:18of a sudden the the video i'm sending

1:42:20takes up my whole phone and Casey's

1:42:22video is in the tiny little circle and

1:42:24that helps me frame things but it's not

1:42:25really improvement now he's in a little

1:42:27circle and I want to see him so I feel

1:42:28like this is a softball

1:42:29them make the preview of the video the

1:42:31other person is seen the same aspect

1:42:33ratio and like show the full image so i

1:42:36know what the the frame batteries are

1:42:37because the circles like I was looking

1:42:39through a little porthole and you

1:42:40currently trying to like make sure he

1:42:42was seeing the whole thing but other

1:42:43than that the video quality look good we

1:42:46didn't have any disconnections at work

1:42:47find the little ringtone you kind of

1:42:49hurt over microphone depending on how

1:42:50much marco and it's out

1:42:52sounds nice and pleasant so I mostly

1:42:53good duo thumbs up except for the

1:42:55knockout feature being on by default and

1:42:57possibly existing at all and the

1:42:59circular profit

1:43:00I didn't think it was won by default i

1:43:02thought i had to turn it on maybe i'm

1:43:04wrong about that but i thought yeah i

1:43:05think maybe on first launched it says

1:43:07that little like I said the thing that I

1:43:08swept away without even looking at it

1:43:09the thing I hit up was like okay got it

1:43:12i think it was telling you about knock

1:43:13knock just so you're aware it's not

1:43:15connecting is on i think the only option

1:43:17was ok got it but I can't go through the

1:43:19first launch will do i what i saw was

1:43:21what you saw because i had only received

1:43:22a call I'd not placed one and it was

1:43:25just telling you hey right now you're

1:43:27actually visible so you know don't do

1:43:29anything stupid but I had thought in

1:43:32settings where there is absolutely a

1:43:34switch to flip for knock knock on or off

1:43:37I thought I'd expressly going in there

1:43:39and turned it on but if you don't

1:43:40remember doing that perhaps i'm

1:43:42remembering right now I don't I

1:43:43definitely didn't do that is first time

1:43:45actually we should see so turn knock

1:43:47knock off on your end and then i'm going

1:43:48to call you one more time because i

1:43:49think the setting applies to your end

1:43:51we're going home

1:43:52I mean it's only yeah that's evidence

1:43:55knock knock don't you wish you hadn't

1:43:57told Margo I'm so upset that i missed

1:44:00this

1:44:00ok i am prepared for you to knock on me

1:44:03what did you just didn't listen to

1:44:04Instagram story when you introduced I

1:44:06think mr. I'm story that the the

1:44:08screenshot of your windows thing that

1:44:10booting yeah okay i do i'm getting an

1:44:11incoming video call i see nothing I just

1:44:13see a screen

1:44:14yeah so that so basically you're

1:44:16controlling and not what you said but

1:44:17what you receive yeah okay so wait so

1:44:19with me having knock knock off i'm now

1:44:22going to call you can you see me at this

1:44:25point I'm twisting my phone back and

1:44:27forth just to show you that something is

1:44:28moving

1:44:29no and in fact the dish was a blank

1:44:31screen like yeah that's basically what I

1:44:33saw

1:44:33so apparently if either of us was

1:44:35knocked off then don't have it doesn't

1:44:38happen yeah so we just need to have that

1:44:40off by default or mean make people more

1:44:43aware of their first launcher anyway who

1:44:45knows I've had regular people won't mind

1:44:48but it just seems like you won't mind

1:44:49until the first time you do mind and

1:44:50then you like a better

1:44:54did you know did it quiz you after the

1:44:57fact as to whether or not the call was

1:45:00good did you notice that I did not kiss

1:45:02me no quizzes

1:45:03oh interesting i got on mine order to

1:45:07say one second i took a screenshot of it

1:45:10this is a terrible screenshot that I

1:45:12won't be able to put the show notes cuz

1:45:13I look like an idiot but how the call

1:45:15quality skip unhappy face bad or happy

1:45:18face good actually i'll take it I'll

1:45:20crop just that little dialogue but that

1:45:22show notes and I skip this entire topic

1:45:24no I put on a happy face on it if you'd

1:45:27like or you could do you know what you

1:45:29should do is also i will put this this

1:45:32image in the show notes and you can just

1:45:34like sketch red circle the bad one

1:45:37how about that is that what that means

1:45:39but it was able to pinpoint now forget

1:45:42we've been using we've been talking

1:45:44about this for a minute and a half we

1:45:45talked about photography for 20 minutes

1:45:47more than that and you're already

1:45:49getting grumbly he doesn't have

1:45:51installed should have been stolen right

1:45:52now you're gonna get like us it's so far

1:45:56you you have not given a ringing

1:45:57endorsement in my opinion do you have

1:45:59family that doesn't have iphones that

1:46:00you would like to face time with no see

1:46:03that's the thing that we do you have as

1:46:05I've talked about many times in the past

1:46:07my whole family is all iOS errands whole

1:46:09family except aaron is all android and

1:46:12there have been times that we would

1:46:14really like to video chat with Aaron's

1:46:17mom or actually my grandmother has a

1:46:20some sort of android phone that's I

1:46:23believe expressly designed for senior

1:46:25citizens so there's I think had the

1:46:27whatever physical buttons are on their

1:46:29very large and and I think that it's

1:46:31it's been sent over simplified and all

1:46:33the fonts are gigantic by default

1:46:35anyway uh next time I'm around her I

1:46:38hope I will be able to put

1:46:40duo on her phone even those ancient and

1:46:43then we would be able to video chat with

1:46:45her it's not a jitterbug but it's along

1:46:46those lines just get an ipad I've

1:46:49thought about it but I don't know it's

1:46:51just one more thing for her manage sorry

1:46:53I so i'm i'm excited about this i

1:46:55completely agree with John that the

1:46:57circular little porthole into yourself

1:47:00is freaking terrible i do like that you

1:47:03can tap into your own image and bring it

1:47:06up full screen like John it said because

1:47:07there's been times I've wanted to do

1:47:08that facetime and I can't it handled

1:47:10rotation just like FaceTime does which

1:47:12is a good thing that's a compliment and

1:47:15the video quality was great

1:47:16dials instantly when I was

1:47:19video-chatting with John on the show

1:47:21moments ago it seemed like there was

1:47:22very very low latency and if all good my

1:47:26book I i approve but i would certainly

1:47:29use facetime by as my default modus

1:47:33operandi and then if for some reason i

1:47:35need to video shows an Android user then

1:47:37that's what do I was four I just get

1:47:40different friends know it's only a

1:47:42different family too and I try to keep

1:47:44you can you can pick your nose you can

1:47:47become less pounds now you're gonna keep

1:47:50my phone because I keep all sorts of

1:47:51apps on iphone i really do through and

1:47:52clean stuff out but that I'll probably

1:47:54keep it cool