The Accidental Tech Podcast

184: Procedural Marriage Mistakes

 

  it's the special episode time was doing [TS]

  special episode of directives most topic [TS]

  I don't know what the one [TS]

  what the hell's the topic ever on that [TS]

  show your libido mosquito your libido [TS]

  yep that was a smells like teen spirit [TS]

  for those keeping track [TS]

  smells like teen spirit was a band no it [TS]

  was what was the song by the band [TS]

  Nirvana i'm aware of the song yeah and [TS]

  in that song they were lyrics that [TS]

  rhymed a lot and I said one of them and [TS]

  that was a reference John is explaining [TS]

  Nirvana to us [TS]

  I've made the reference you had no [TS]

  reaction that I explained the reference [TS]

  came from still no reaction i feel like [TS]

  i have to go deeper [TS]

  I didn't think it was funny enough to [TS]

  react to music is like a series of [TS]

  sounds that people find please call us [TS]

  at this episode is gonna go [TS]

  is this how it's going to start it is [TS]

  August we just recorded a show two days [TS]

  ago and we're recording again due to [TS]

  this time is my vacation schedule for [TS]

  once [TS]

  nothing really has happened I mean if [TS]

  some some things have happened like in [TS]

  the world but nothing really has [TS]

  happened in tech with the exception that [TS]

  we have some Twitter update that's kind [TS]

  of interesting but other than that what [TS]

  else is going on [TS]

  can we can we dig a little deeper in [TS]

  this vacation thing you speak up how do [TS]

  you know whether or not you're on [TS]

  vacation just whether or not you wake up [TS]

  in your own bed [TS]

  oh wow yeah that is how this episode is [TS]

  gonna be yeah yeah yeah so let me [TS]

  rephrase by saying i'll be out of town [TS]

  dogs they're so yes i'll be out of town [TS]

  next week [TS]

  are you taking adam with you because [TS]

  that's how you can tell right actually [TS]

  that's true and the whole family is [TS]

  going including [TS]

  perhaps oh it hops interest and hops [TS]

  yeah I already said he willing to share [TS]

  where you're going would you rather keep [TS]

  that close to the best we're going to [TS]

  the beach for you know just like what [TS]

  everyone else does it and we figure it's [TS]

  not hot enough here we need to go [TS]

  somewhere a little bit hotter can tell [TS]

  you all about hot these days [TS]

  actually today wasn't terrible is only [TS]

  about 90 95 and I don't know what that [TS]

  is in Celsius because I believe in units [TS]

  to make sense anyway we should probably [TS]

  start with some follow-up now that I've [TS]

  given everyone at least a little bit of [TS]

  grief market just dropped into second [TS]

  ago twitter has enabled the quality [TS]

  filter for everyone and as far as we can [TS]

  tell it's the same quality filter that [TS]

  verified users get but I I don't think [TS]

  mark when i noticed this but we have [TS]

  just confirmed it i think john is the [TS]

  one that noticed this it is on by [TS]

  default which is super interesting and [TS]

  not the case for verified users so [TS]

  verified users who have not turn this on [TS]

  they wouldn't have this on in and Marco [TS]

  looked at the overcast account which is [TS]

  verified and in your quality filter is [TS]

  not on is that correct yeah basically [TS]

  like if if you if you have the setting [TS]

  before it will keep your setting even if [TS]

  you never touched it so it's not like [TS]

  it's like a triple state like you know [TS]

  10 or no kind of thing where like no [TS]

  would just be the default it's not that [TS]

  it's actually like if you had before and [TS]

  you didn't set it you have it off now [TS]

  and it doesn't matter anyway so this is [TS]

  great news because this is exactly what [TS]

  we were complaining about last episode [TS]

  and last we talked about this also why [TS]

  wouldn't you have this available for [TS]

  everybody and last episode I even said [TS]

  like you know I'd even go as far as to [TS]

  say that this should be on by default [TS]

  and when I was saying that I had no hope [TS]

  that they would actually ever to this [TS]

  both making the film making the feature [TS]

  available for everybody and also making [TS]

  it on by default either of those things [TS]

  would have shocked me to have them both [TS]

  happen and from 2 to both happened very [TS]

  quickly [TS]

  it's a pretty major step and first of [TS]

  all it's a little bit of a slap in the [TS]

  face that like apparently there was no [TS]

  reason really why they couldn't have [TS]

  done for everybody already like before [TS]

  this but ok when it lets you know set [TS]

  that aside for now we have it now so you [TS]

  know positive thoughts we have it now [TS]

  this is very good this is way better [TS]

  than I expected [TS]

  this is a sign that maybe maybe twitter [TS]

  is starting to take [TS]

  their abuse problems and they're [TS]

  trolling problems and they're just [TS]

  general jerkiness problems maybe they're [TS]

  starting to take that a little more [TS]

  seriously and you know honestly maybe [TS]

  not this could be just like an easy [TS]

  quick fix they just threw out there [TS]

  because they had it ready but even doing [TS]

  this is a big step and if it bodes well [TS]

  for for future steps in this direction [TS]

  additional steps in this direction [TS]

  that's good too so I i'm hopeful about [TS]

  I'm kind of a little bit reserved in [TS]

  that but I'm hopeful that Twitter is [TS]

  starting to really care about this [TS]

  problem and then take steps to to [TS]

  improve their service for everybody and [TS]

  not just celebrities [TS]

  yep John your thoughts now the verified [TS]

  thing is still out there like the idea [TS]

  that if you have an account that [TS]

  frequently people are impersonating you [TS]

  and and stirring things up by tweeting [TS]

  things to pretend to be you that people [TS]

  then retweeted screenshot and thank you [TS]

  said and come back you know like the [TS]

  whole the idea of verifying yes this is [TS]

  the i am really the person with this [TS]

  name and this you know picture and [TS]

  there's all these attributes that should [TS]

  still be open even though the quality [TS]

  filter is open to everybody so is there [TS]

  still a ways to go with that and like [TS]

  the quality filter it's the type of [TS]

  thing where they totally could like it [TS]

  already featured exists in some ways [TS]

  it's easier to enable for everybody's in [TS]

  some ways it's harder because there is [TS]

  that human component of verifying your [TS]

  identity or whatever and as we said in [TS]

  the past you'll find charge money for it [TS]

  or something like that but it [TS]

  verification continues to be the [TS]

  appstore of twitter where rejections [TS]

  don't make any sense and no one can [TS]

  figure it out and it's all mysterious [TS]

  like what we recently the ATP FM account [TS]

  got rejected for verification [TS]

  I saw a couple other puzzling rejections [TS]

  Butler and people other people are [TS]

  getting verified so no one knows how it [TS]

  works anyway that's that's the next [TS]

  stepping stone in easy things Twitter [TS]

  could have done a long time ago but [TS]

  didn't [TS]

  yeah and also you know to give them [TS]

  credit also you know the the whole [TS]

  verified status is problematic as we [TS]

  discussed before and you know one of my [TS]

  core arguments about verified being a [TS]

  problem was you know it was it was more [TS]

  okay when it was only about identity [TS]

  verification and it's it starts becoming [TS]

  increasingly problematic as features or [TS]

  status are tied to it and so what [TS]

  they've done [TS]

  here is they just removed a major [TS]

  feature that was exclusive to verify [TS]

  people before and they made available [TS]

  for everybody so it has it has taken a [TS]

  big chunk out of the out of the problem [TS]

  the problems are still there [TS]

  there are still lots of other problems [TS]

  with verifies that is being what it is [TS]

  and bring what it does and having this [TS]

  weird inconsistent you know subjective [TS]

  review process but removing a major [TS]

  feature of it as an exclusive and making [TS]

  it available to everybody is a big step [TS]

  in the right direction the sounds [TS]

  excellent [TS]

  John you are poorer in the last few days [TS]

  then you were the few days prior would [TS]

  you like to tell us about that [TS]

  yeah i finally bought a camera I don't [TS]

  hate you [TS]

  discussions about that shows no big [TS]

  surprise about the camera that we have [TS]

  been talking about the camera that i [TS]

  tested for a week [TS]

  the camera was pretty much a no-brainer [TS]

  for me you know because like it i I'd [TS]

  and as many people as soon as i [TS]

  mentioned cameras all the camera people [TS]

  wrote and tell me all the different [TS]

  cameras they like it was good to hear [TS]

  different people stories about what they [TS]

  liked about their camera some people [TS]

  trying to sell me a micro four-thirds [TS]

  some people trying to sell me on the [TS]

  aps-c Fugees and you know the [TS]

  availability of lenses and how cheap [TS]

  they are and how good quality they are [TS]

  in this is a lots of different arguments [TS]

  on on all sides but the you know the [TS]

  sony is the is the devil I know sort of [TS]

  and it has several attributes that area [TS]

  like specifically in terms of first [TS]

  photos for action shots and how good it [TS]

  is at finding focus very quickly we [TS]

  should point out once again you have [TS]

  again failed to mention the model number [TS]

  it is the sony a6300 hundred right i [TS]

  mentioned that before [TS]

  yeah x3 lot of this episode I was [TS]

  sitting here waiting to get into the [TS]

  shadows waiting and waiting and waiting [TS]

  and waiting [TS]

  you already know right yeah and the [TS]

  small size because a lot of the other [TS]

  aps-c cameras like oh it's also an aps-c [TS]

  but the Saudis are really very small on [TS]

  and that that accounts for everyone uses [TS]

  not quite ready to sign up for the big [TS]

  giant camera sony lenses are the [TS]

  situation is not as great as other [TS]

  cameras i acknowledge that was my most [TS]

  difficult part i knew i was going to get [TS]

  the body i got the body without any [TS]

  lenses i know i didn't want the kit lens [TS]

  because i had it and it's not great [TS]

  that's I decide what I was going to get [TS]

  the easiest and the first lens purchase [TS]

  I'd i got was the 50 millimeter 1.8 that [TS]

  Sony cells because i had rented that i [TS]

  used it i used to take pictures of [TS]

  people's face people's faces indoors [TS]

  with low light and i got [TS]

  a lot of good pictures out of it and i [TS]

  really liked it and yes many good point [TS]

  out 15 years is a little bit close yet [TS]

  don't get a backup a lot to get people [TS]

  from the right way an indoor environment [TS]

  but that's somewhat problematic but the [TS]

  thing is a tutu barks this one the sony [TS]

  35 any other 35 so I saw were all not as [TS]

  good lenses as the 50 in terms of [TS]

  optical quality and you know if it has [TS]

  stabilization all these other things the [TS]

  50 was the you know they were not as [TS]

  good lenses and they cost similar amount [TS]

  so you can expect $350 for worse [TS]

  35-millimeter I'd rather spend fifty [TS]

  dollars on a better 50 and the second [TS]

  part is I like to create candid shots [TS]

  and like posed shots that much and [TS]

  having a little bit of extra zooms even [TS]

  indoors lets you get a nice good head [TS]

  and shoulders portrait of someone you [TS]

  know laughing in a natural way when they [TS]

  don't know you're taking a picture if [TS]

  you're not right in their face so I like [TS]

  the 50 even if it is slightly [TS]

  challenging in some situations and i [TS]

  really like the pictures that come out [TS]

  of it and then the next one I got my [TS]

  waffles over a long time but eventually [TS]

  pull the trigger is the really flat [TS]

  20-millimeter pancake lens nice is not a [TS]

  not a great lens and it's pretty [TS]

  expensive for what you get but in the [TS]

  end I had to say look you can't argue [TS]

  with the the size it makes the camera [TS]

  much smaller much lighter it's not a bad [TS]

  lens it's just it's not probably worth [TS]

  the money I paid for it but I got that [TS]

  and I also got a bunch of lens [TS]

  protectors which is not a thing that I [TS]

  thought about before i read a couple [TS]

  articles and I call you always get lunch [TS]

  partner like you know what it is easier [TS]

  to clean the lens protector and it's the [TS]

  Quinlan's I imagine there if there's [TS]

  dirt online protected it's worse than it [TS]

  is during the line so maybe I'll come to [TS]

  regret this but the cheap side bottom [TS]

  and I'm gonna give that a go and I were [TS]

  taking pictures just find trying to find [TS]

  excuses to take pictures but the the [TS]

  stuff around the house and everything [TS]

  I've been playing with the I auto focus [TS]

  on us that you have that assigned to one [TS]

  of the buttons on your camera marco i [TS]

  have not assigned to a but my camera [TS]

  does have the iphone case i tried for a [TS]

  few days upfront the end of turning it [TS]

  off because sometimes like you know that [TS]

  like most autofocus systems if you're [TS]

  holding the the shutter that you know [TS]

  that the trigger button down and it [TS]

  doesn't have focus it will wait until it [TS]

  does have focused before it shoots the [TS]

  picture and there were a couple of [TS]

  instances where I missed a shot that I [TS]

  could have gotten [TS]

  because it had focused distance wise but [TS]

  had not found the I in time and it was [TS]

  just a second too late finding the eye [TS]

  and that that like medium shot so I [TS]

  turned it off and i have experimented [TS]

  with it since then that was a long time [TS]

  ago and have been number firmware [TS]

  updates instance maybe I should try it [TS]

  but so they're mine and probably yours [TS]

  as well has you can adjust that of like [TS]

  what has priority should i take the [TS]

  picture when you push the button or [TS]

  should not take the picture until you [TS]

  have focused and there's like three or [TS]

  four settings in that round but you know [TS]

  the extremes of the range are looking I [TS]

  i press the button text picture [TS]

  regardless whether you focus the other [TS]

  extreme is never take the picture until [TS]

  you have focus and the other thing with [TS]

  autofocus it's weird on this camera [TS]

  because there's it's not assigned [TS]

  anything by default so you wouldn't even [TS]

  know the future exist unless you a [TS]

  custom assign it to a button and I [TS]

  assigned it to about me you have to hold [TS]

  down so i'm holding the shutter and then [TS]

  my thumb is pressing the I autofocus and [TS]

  if it doesn't find and I I just like go [TS]

  back to regular you know portrait thing [TS]

  I you can tell the green circles on [TS]

  their face it's like I found the face [TS]

  I'm gonna take a picture of it but if I [TS]

  tap push down the little I autofocus [TS]

  thing it doesn't immediately find an eye [TS]

  then I'm like I will forget about that [TS]

  but it doesn't really find an eye and [TS]

  keep that held down it will track that [TS]

  eyeball as the person moves pretty [TS]

  amazing and here the future the cameras [TS]

  have been hilarious up yes probably has [TS]

  it too is a facial recognition and [TS]

  ranking so you take small pictures of [TS]

  everyone in your family like their face [TS]

  looking at the camera and the camera [TS]

  remembers them and with you all three of [TS]

  them are in the frame it will prioritize [TS]

  them in the order that you select who's [TS]

  going to be in focus [TS]

  wow it's pretty grim when you think [TS]

  about it like Sorry Sorry second child [TS]

  you're not as important as you have to [TS]

  take in order right but if you think [TS]

  about it it's actually you shouldn't [TS]

  think about in terms of taking pictures [TS]

  of your family think about it like [TS]

  taking a picture of like you go on a [TS]

  trip to New York City you want to take a [TS]

  picture of your kid on York City Street [TS]

  it won't accidentally grabbed focus on a [TS]

  stranger was walking by right it will [TS]

  always prioritize your kid looking at [TS]

  you and never accidentally grabbed focus [TS]

  on someone else so lots of cool [TS]

  software-based features that are all [TS]

  really fast and really good [TS]

  that's probably why this thing its [TS]

  batteries and sorry I really do I really [TS]

  am happy with the the body of the camera [TS]

  the lens situations a little grim [TS]

  probably going to rent zoom for my [TS]

  education now and if we like it we'll [TS]

  probably buy it but no zooms out there [TS]

  are calling out to me in terms of price [TS]

  performance [TS]

  I think we'll end up with is a way to [TS]

  expensive like that uh that 17 to [TS]

  whatever it is 17 270 thing that's not a [TS]

  great lens but it's very compact very [TS]

  versatile and then maybe something with [TS]

  like a 300 millimeter range that's just [TS]

  actually a crappy camera but it gives [TS]

  the maximum range on it [TS]

  I don't know anyway I think about [TS]

  off-camera crap for a while so it's all [TS]

  that's anyone askin I taking pictures of [TS]

  course taking pictures of my family [TS]

  playing pokemon go against what they do [TS]

  when we're all homes that go out for [TS]

  walks and capture Pokemon and taking [TS]

  pictures in the supermarket and [TS]

  generally and being annoying to my kids [TS]

  and just trying out the camera but lots [TS]

  of fun i'm happy with it like i said in [TS]

  34 years old just buy a full-frame [TS]

  camera [TS]

  yeah so a couple of notes first of all [TS]

  good call on the pancake lens the [TS]

  20-millimeter pancake I i wish that lens [TS]

  was available in full frame but it's not [TS]

  so i can't really use it but we for our [TS]

  5d mark two that we've had our big [TS]

  camera for a long time ever since they [TS]

  came out until I got this camera a [TS]

  couple years back when it came out we [TS]

  got the cannon 40-millimeter EF pancake [TS]

  and that is a great lens and take a [TS]

  hundred and fifty bucks and its really [TS]

  good quality lens and it's incredibly [TS]

  small and the effect that a very small [TS]

  light lens has on the way your camera [TS]

  feels and how just how how you handle it [TS]

  where you bring it how often you bring [TS]

  it it's a massive difference and so I [TS]

  strongly suggest if anybody has has a [TS]

  camera that then and you don't have any [TS]

  really small like pancake or [TS]

  pancake-like lenses just get one and try [TS]

  it because you will bring your camera [TS]

  more places you'll be amazed how how [TS]

  much of a difference it makes if you [TS]

  have a cannon [TS]

  I think they recently made a second [TS]

  pancake have been paying that much [TS]

  attention i think there's that there's a [TS]

  a wider angle one like somewhere in the [TS]

  twenties but there's the 40 millimeter [TS]

  pancake it's fantastic and whatever pain [TS]

  tends to become popular last you know [TS]

  five years or so so whatever system you [TS]

  have [TS]

  look for the pancake lens in a somewhat [TS]

  wide focal length and use it and you'll [TS]

  be you'll be very surprised how good it [TS]

  is and how easy just to carry your [TS]

  camera and with it and in fact for that [TS]

  reason my camera like I have I have the [TS]

  the 35 2.84 [TS]

  I'm 55 1.8 and the 90 macro in the sony [TS]

  fe line and i almost always have a [TS]

  35-millimeter 2.8 on there because it is [TS]

  just so small it is not a pancake lens [TS]

  it is it is not quite that that short [TS]

  distance wise but it is it is still very [TS]

  small and just did the difference that [TS]

  makes on how the camera feels just [TS]

  immense they've been saying so [TS]

  definitely get a pancake lens if you can [TS]

  secondly i will point out also that I'm [TS]

  kind of surprised you picked this camera [TS]

  based on our discussions because for [TS]

  what for what you wanted which is like [TS]

  you basically wanted superzoom [TS]

  replacement and this isn't that you know [TS]

  sony has the rx10 and there are many [TS]

  other brands that have that has two [TS]

  presumes as well many of which are very [TS]

  good and all of our listeners wrote in [TS]

  to say that the micro four-thirds was [TS]

  and that i think some people my point [TS]

  about fuji x4 this attribute as well but [TS]

  especially micro four-thirds was very [TS]

  good for zoom lenses because of the [TS]

  smaller sensors and therefore having had [TS]

  been able to have smaller lenses and [TS]

  less complex lenses for big zoom reach [TS]

  so I'm kind of surprised you didn't go [TS]

  with that for that reason all these [TS]

  systems have these different pluses and [TS]

  minuses as well as we discussed micro [TS]

  four-thirds really excels in in things [TS]

  being generally little bit cheaper lens [TS]

  be a little cheaper a lot a lot more [TS]

  lens choices it's been around for so [TS]

  long and so many different brands make [TS]

  the lenses for it [TS]

  sony really excels in sensor quality and [TS]

  recently in focus advances autofocus [TS]

  advances in Maryland but its overall [TS]

  it's only really especially excels in [TS]

  having really amazing sensors getting [TS]

  lots of megapixels with very low noise [TS]

  an incredible dynamic range being able [TS]

  to capture sony just kicks butt in that [TS]

  area and where Sony is fall short is [TS]

  some of the kind of pro eat type [TS]

  handling stuff and also lends zoom [TS]

  lenses in particular like Sony the the [TS]

  primes that are available for sony [TS]

  camera especially full-frame ones are [TS]

  generally amazing they're a little [TS]

  expensive but they're generally amazing [TS]

  zooms are have always been so knees weak [TS]

  point that the sony lineup has [TS]

  had fairly mediocre zoom lenses and most [TS]

  of the time they're like there's now [TS]

  very recently has been a couple of [TS]

  extremely high end ones that are huge [TS]

  heavy and very expensive and in the new [TS]

  sony g master line but basically [TS]

  everything below that has been really [TS]

  hit or miss mostly miss so I'm a little [TS]

  bit surprised you picked it [TS]

  given all that well so i guess i looked [TS]

  at super Zoomers first before i was even [TS]

  considering all this like better camera [TS]

  thing because thatthat's all my wife's [TS]

  thing like hey what she wants a better [TS]

  camera right i was just like well my [TS]

  super Zoomers getting kind of old maybe [TS]

  look at another one and I looked at all [TS]

  the super Zoomers they're out there and [TS]

  they all seem like worse overall then my [TS]

  camera like they were better in many [TS]

  ways but also works in ways that I [TS]

  didn't like it [TS]

  zoom wasn't as big or like the rx10 like [TS]

  that thing's gigantic throughout how big [TS]

  that is it is huge and they didn't I was [TS]

  on my things I didn't want to be too big [TS]

  i didn't want to spend $1,500 for non [TS]

  interchangeable lens camera just seemed [TS]

  weird to me and I I'm you know I still [TS]

  have my panasonic is still works [TS]

  I don't use a bit the thing that was the [TS]

  real convencer and you know the reason [TS]

  I'm glad as I rented it I took it for [TS]

  the that the one time of year take the [TS]

  most pictures like I take pictures you [TS]

  know throughout the year probably not as [TS]

  much as I should but when we go on our [TS]

  vacation going out i take literally [TS]

  thousands of pictures right that is the [TS]

  most pictures that take all year in the [TS]

  most demanding circumstances of the most [TS]

  different people and the most different [TS]

  environments and the super zoom for the [TS]

  waves thing you know taking pictures in [TS]

  the ways i know is that both cameras to [TS]

  the beach use the superzoom a lot but by [TS]

  the end of the trip even when we were at [TS]

  the ocean i was using this camera and [TS]

  yeah I couldn't get up as close it [TS]

  probably helps that the days but I was [TS]

  doing the beat of the surf was enclosed [TS]

  so maybe would have been different was [TS]

  farther away but because i still have [TS]

  the other camera and even with these [TS]

  things zoomed out I was happier with the [TS]

  zoomed out pictures from this camera [TS]

  that i could crop with the crappy zoom [TS]

  lens that I rented like I didn't rent a [TS]

  very expensive zoom lens like a [TS]

  four-hundred-dollar zoom lens or [TS]

  something [TS]

  end of the range on it was you know half [TS]

  to a third of what it is on the super [TS]

  zoom and still this came out ahead and [TS]

  as I said the reason i get expensive [TS]

  cameras once you take pictures indoors [TS]

  without a flash with a decent camera [TS]

  like you can't go back to the other way [TS]

  that's why don't like to hold marcos [TS]

  cameras it's depressing you know you [TS]

  don't want to think about it like that's [TS]

  why you want to market for thirds like [TS]

  the whole reason i'm spending money is [TS]

  I want a bigger sensor that can get more [TS]

  light and yes that means the lenses are [TS]

  going to be more expensive and i could [TS]

  get better zoom lens the micro [TS]

  four-thirds like this is what I want I [TS]

  want I want a big sensor i want pictures [TS]

  that I couldn't take with any other [TS]

  camera can't take my phone can take my [TS]

  super them because there's just not [TS]

  enough light and this is what that gives [TS]

  me and can i use it for all my xoom [TS]

  things for that one week here when I [TS]

  need zoom the answer is apparently yes [TS]

  like it's it's a different set of [TS]

  compromises but I do take pictures [TS]

  indoors and other things when i'm on [TS]

  vacation and I get the proof is in the [TS]

  pudding had both cameras there are used [TS]

  both of them like if you watch the ratio [TS]

  by the last trip to the ocean was like [TS]

  I'm not even taking that one out of the [TS]

  bag i'm just gonna use this one for [TS]

  everything just because everything was [TS]

  so much better about it except for the [TS]

  zoom so and also I keep that I keep my [TS]

  eye out for super letters I don't rule [TS]

  out like later if they make if panasonic [TS]

  resemble makes another camera like mine [TS]

  that is just updated in all the ways but [TS]

  maybe even a little bit more compact and [TS]

  maybe optically a little bit better over [TS]

  the same range i'll probably buy it [TS]

  because those are cheap they're like you [TS]

  know six or seven hundred dollars [TS]

  compared to you know these [TS]

  interchangeable lens cameras are having [TS]

  some billion dollar so i'm pretty happy [TS]

  with that [TS]

  yeah i mean you'll pay that much for a [TS]

  good zoom lens at least on the 100 [TS]

  camera you have way more than that i'm [TS]

  very happy zoom lens with a short-range [TS]

  a thousand bucks yes i think so its it's [TS]

  rough like I you know but and I'm just [TS]

  thinking about like day-to-day I think [TS]

  this will make me take more pictures [TS]

  just normal stuff like my family you [TS]

  know around the house and going out and [TS]

  taking walks and stuff because i'm not [TS]

  going to attach pics and we'll probably [TS]

  just had a little pancake on there but [TS]

  it's nice and we go out like after [TS]

  school and after dinner was kind of dust [TS]

  gets its dark but i can actually get [TS]

  usable pictures you know of my family [TS]

  walking on the street lights with this [TS]

  camera without a flash and that just [TS]

  wasn't it was an environment where i [TS]

  would take any pictures before I [TS]

  wouldn't try my phone and I wouldn't [TS]

  bring my superzoom because the Superdome [TS]

  is actually it's not heavier than this [TS]

  but physically dimension wise it's [TS]

  bigger than his camera with the pancake [TS]

  lens on right so I feel like this is a [TS]

  good compromise for me now and i'm sure [TS]

  i'll learn a lot using it and then you [TS]

  know we'll see where we go from here [TS]

  I think these days so many photographic [TS]

  needs are solved so well by just your [TS]

  iphone and that and the progress that [TS]

  that iphone cameras have made has been [TS]

  so remarkable but [TS]

  the areas that they will never be able [TS]

  to match a standalone cameras are in our [TS]

  areas where you just need a large [TS]

  advance and expensive sensor you know [TS]

  that like iphones have a lot of [TS]

  constraints on that camera obviously [TS]

  size is the most obvious but also cost [TS]

  is a big one that camera module the [TS]

  entire camera module has to costs like [TS]

  thirty bucks and i forgot the component [TS]

  breakdowns show it as but it's somewhere [TS]

  in that range like the eighth [TS]

  it's not a ton of money that goes into [TS]

  that and so so you have no space you [TS]

  have very little money and you have to [TS]

  mass produce a ton of them [TS]

  that's always going to be more limited [TS]

  than what you can sell in a dedicated [TS]

  high-end camera four thousand dollars [TS]

  like that's it and that can have this [TS]

  big body around this big sensor that's [TS]

  way bigger than the phone center of this [TS]

  giant lens taking off the front of it [TS]

  relative giant relative to the phone [TS]

  sensors and phones are going to always [TS]

  be able to have liked more advanced [TS]

  processing and software and tricks they [TS]

  can do with the software to make up for [TS]

  some of these some of these shortcomings [TS]

  that they have been in there just tiny [TS]

  little cheap optics [TS]

  however i think one area where they are [TS]

  always going to struggle against big [TS]

  cameras is in low-light sensitivity and [TS]

  and dynamic range little bit too but [TS]

  especially light sensitivity is because [TS]

  that is something where the physics are [TS]

  just working so much against them and [TS]

  that's probably never going to change [TS]

  because phones are never going to become [TS]

  these you know two-inch-thick things [TS]

  that have that have this thousand-dollar [TS]

  sensor and a amazing glass in front of [TS]

  them like the market but that's just not [TS]

  where they're going [TS]

  so so I i think if you're going to buy a [TS]

  camera that is not just your phone it [TS]

  benefits you a lot to do to get one that [TS]

  is exceptionally good in low-light just [TS]

  to really maximize like the difference [TS]

  and the justification for having a [TS]

  separate camera at all well and again [TS]

  you can never say never because I always [TS]

  picture like a phone that's like this [TS]

  you know magical thin thing where the [TS]

  entire back of the phone is basically [TS]

  one giant sensor plus this amazing [TS]

  computing power to somehow combine all [TS]

  white hitting that sensor without a lens [TS]

  in front of it to figure you know I mean [TS]

  like like gathering the task will be I [TS]

  will gather all the light for you and [TS]

  then magic computers will figure out all [TS]

  the light hitting it like maybe this [TS]

  thing that can tell what angle they have [TS]

  the sensor and instead of just [TS]

  levels of light like you do have enough [TS]

  surface area basically for to imagine a [TS]

  future from using an as-yet undetermined [TS]

  technology where you would gather all [TS]

  the light hitting the back of phone [TS]

  that's plenty to have amazing the [TS]

  light-dark rebut that technology's no no [TS]

  we're on the horizon but I just you know [TS]

  like it's not [TS]

  we won't always be stuck with pinholes [TS]

  this is what I'm saying so in the [TS]

  distant future that could be solved but [TS]

  for our lifetime i think probably [TS]

  everything you said their holds we also [TS]

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  ah we got a couple of people asking us [TS]

  or I think I might have just been the [TS]

  same person twice ask you that's why we [TS]

  didn't mention dslrs at all in in these [TS]

  camera discussions recently and I have [TS]

  my reasons do you guys have any reason [TS]

  before it before i jump in too big to [TS]

  carry [TS]

  that's a good one I mean I'm serious I'm [TS]

  not trying to be funny like the reason I [TS]

  one of the biggest reasons on micro [TS]

  four-thirds it was less about costs so [TS]

  that was a small factor but more i knew [TS]

  i was already going to have something [TS]

  bigger than I really wanted that I had [TS]

  to carry and if i'm going to do that I [TS]

  want to try to make it as small as [TS]

  possible and like John and talked about [TS]

  earlier to my to my requirements micro [TS]

  four-thirds was a really good happy [TS]

  medium [TS]

  and I didn't want to goes as big as a [TS]

  DSLR although i went back and forth and [TS]

  back and forth about it and in fact I [TS]

  think I bothered underscored Marco a lot [TS]

  asking what about this what about this [TS]

  what about this what about that and and [TS]

  eventually ended up on four thirds just [TS]

  because I didn't want to carry it if you [TS]

  have for me was size but also like [TS]

  giving you know we've known for years of [TS]

  even just tangentially you know not [TS]

  really in the camera community but just [TS]

  like touching on it because I was like [TS]

  read things in dpreview and I think [TS]

  that's how I figured out which [TS]

  supersedes again everything you just see [TS]

  which way the wind is blowing in the [TS]

  wind was blowing away from dslrs for [TS]

  regular people and I had a 5d mark two [TS]

  borrowed from a particular source for my [TS]

  brother's wedding that I used to take [TS]

  pictures so I know how big they are no [TS]

  heavy they are I know how did the little [TS]

  mirror flappy thing and all the other [TS]

  business like it just it just seems like [TS]

  it's kind of like market with the BMW vs [TS]

  Tesla the mirrorless one seems like oh [TS]

  this is clearly the future and even [TS]

  though because the market has been for [TS]

  so long that the DSLR the high-end i'm [TS]

  not sure that will always entirely hold [TS]

  and you just it was way outside that you [TS]

  know I'm the mirrorless camera I brought [TS]

  is the whole selling point for me was [TS]

  like is that it's so small that like the [TS]

  lenses like comically big on it because [TS]

  it's so darn small you can't can't get a [TS]

  DSLR that there's not enough room [TS]

  the main reason why i don't have a DSLR [TS]

  anymore is what you guys said it's it's [TS]

  mostly about sighs and also about the [TS]

  way the wind is blowing like one of the [TS]

  things that swayed me like we know we [TS]

  had we bought the the 5d mark two when [TS]

  it came out in 2008 and and TIFF and I [TS]

  used a pair of those for her all her pro [TS]

  photo stuff it went through you know all [TS]

  that went through a lot of our like [TS]

  high-end hobby and of course all our [TS]

  family stuff until about a year ago when [TS]

  i got my k7r to and when I was one of [TS]

  the reasons i upgraded finally I mean [TS]

  first of all a camera that run that that [TS]

  isn't common use from 2008 until 2015 [TS]

  pretty good at that [TS]

  that's a pretty great run and that kind [TS]

  of shows like the one of the reasons [TS]

  able to go that long and it's still [TS]

  agree camera just you know it's falling [TS]

  behind on a lot of the tech areas now [TS]

  but when you get a really high-end [TS]

  full-frame profession [TS]

  no grade camera at last similarly no [TS]

  similar jobs mac pro which is the same [TS]

  age actually happen but anyway the thing [TS]

  with this large though is you know yet [TS]

  they are really like you you can't just [TS]

  casually throw a full-frame SLR into [TS]

  your bag like that youth you gotta [TS]

  really decide to take that with you it [TS]

  you know they're they're big way let the [TS]

  lenses are baby away a lot i didn't I [TS]

  wasn't that convinced that the size [TS]

  difference of matter that much until I [TS]

  lived with the sony for a little while [TS]

  and then I picked up tips camera to do [TS]

  something with 1 i'm like oh my god like [TS]

  if I was picking up an aircraft carrier [TS]

  like what is this thing like what how do [TS]

  I possibly use this for that was fucking [TS]

  and but that being said though there are [TS]

  still differences and mainly while the [TS]

  while the mirrorless cameras have all [TS]

  the action going with a lot of the tech [TS]

  advances these days and in particular [TS]

  lot of the lens advancements these days [TS]

  I would still hesitate to call them [TS]

  professional cameras because you know [TS]

  pro it obviously it's very loaded word a [TS]

  lot of markets and it is mostly used for [TS]

  marketing in most places and it and it [TS]

  goes both ways you know companies put [TS]

  pro on put the name pro on things that [TS]

  aren't necessarily quote professional [TS]

  grade and a lot of people who are [TS]

  professionals by progear aspirationally [TS]

  and so it it because it there's a lot of [TS]

  like vagary and what that means [TS]

  however when you're when you're shooting [TS]

  things with a pro camera you need [TS]

  certain attributes that I don't think [TS]

  any of the Maryland vendors offer [TS]

  certainly sony doesn't offer first of [TS]

  all you need a battery to not be as much [TS]

  of a problem as it is i mean like that's [TS]

  number one with the sonys is they are [TS]

  awesome in so many ways but the battery [TS]

  life is terrible and with and part of [TS]

  that is because you have to drive this [TS]

  LCD screen in the viewfinder and in the [TS]

  in the back display so often you know [TS]

  and and slrs get away with only having [TS]

  the the back review screen and having [TS]

  optical viewfinder so you don't really [TS]

  know you're seeing the lens you're not [TS]

  letting up screen for all that looking [TS]

  time I think I recall seeing like a [TS]

  battery case for your phone or [TS]

  somebody's whenever you see those things [TS]

  through the cameramen yeah like it's [TS]

  just a big big [TS]

  I'm battery yeah I mean there's battery [TS]

  grips and and they they basically like [TS]

  they like shove this protrusion into the [TS]

  battery port had this big basin the [TS]

  camera they usually holds two or three [TS]

  batteries and that's you know that [TS]

  that's something it obviously makes this [TS]

  camera a lot larger and heavier and that [TS]

  produces a lot of the advantages that [TS]

  has super hits floor but also you know [TS]

  SLR just larger in general so SLR [TS]

  batteries can be physically larger they [TS]

  can have way more capacity and on top of [TS]

  all that they're you know they're what [TS]

  they're doing less because they aren't [TS]

  letting up to screen all the time so [TS]

  hold on know how often are you charging [TS]

  your sony though because my micro [TS]

  four-thirds i charge one some month in [TS]

  and even when i was at the beach [TS]

  snapping a ton of pictures it I i might [TS]

  have used maybe fifty percent of the [TS]

  battery and it has you know to lcds just [TS]

  like you're describing Lee are you [TS]

  charging your sony like everyday when [TS]

  you're on vacation or when you're taking [TS]

  a lot of pictures you have to god that's [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  well I'll see it like i was i was [TS]

  worried about the the battery life [TS]

  because I'm dpreview they always give [TS]

  like number of shots for your battery [TS]

  capacity and my panasonic is actually [TS]

  pretty good i forget what they had a [TS]

  rated as like 400 something or 500 [TS]

  something but I think like oh I take a [TS]

  lot of pictures like I would always [TS]

  bring a spare better i always bring the [TS]

  spare battery to the beach with me with [TS]

  my panasonic I never needed to use I [TS]

  think maybe one year because i forgot [TS]

  the charger at night the night before I [TS]

  needed to use it right for the sony its [TS]

  number was lower on dpreview like it was [TS]

  it's like it wasn't that bad but it was [TS]

  lower and I was like I look at the [TS]

  physical size of the battery like really [TS]

  this looks so small because the battery [TS]

  is physically smaller than my panasonic [TS]

  battery so i felt like all this is a bad [TS]

  sign [TS]

  so i have two batteries with me and I [TS]

  always you know charge every night and [TS]

  put the freshman and put the other one [TS]

  there like I was all ready to go every [TS]

  time I went to the beach I had two [TS]

  batteries always lasted all day i don't [TS]

  think i got below like I maybe I went [TS]

  below fifty percent sometimes but I was [TS]

  pleasantly surprised about the battery [TS]

  life but forget about more than one day [TS]

  if you're actively shooting a lot of [TS]

  pictures the end of the day you're gonna [TS]

  have to charge a thing and I don't mind [TS]

  like that's all I wanted like can't do [TS]

  most demanding day fine like it marcos [TS]

  right that is not if you're like doing a [TS]

  sporting event taking a bazillion [TS]

  pictures would probably just burn [TS]

  through the back clean you have to be [TS]

  swapping the batteries but for my use [TS]

  having two batteries and having knowing [TS]

  that one can basically last almost [TS]

  anything that I've done [TS]

  and you know I don't mind carrying [TS]

  another little batteries was not big [TS]

  they're not heavy enough battery runs [TS]

  out and swap it and it's not a big deal [TS]

  so I would like it to be better as with [TS]

  many things and it's like there's more [TS]

  room in there maybe for battery but it [TS]

  wasn't as as bad as I thought it would [TS]

  be but it's definitely not like your [TS]

  micro four thirds for your press charges [TS]

  once a month forget about that [TS]

  no i mean because the estonian generally [TS]

  better life is a little bit worse and [TS]

  mine is worse than yours [TS]

  I'm pretty sure because the full frame [TS]

  has the even more stuff to do [TS]

  electronically inside the images or even [TS]

  larger process all you know all the [TS]

  stuff my battery life is probably among [TS]

  the worst in the in the camera industry [TS]

  right now [TS]

  do you have the same batteries maybe [TS]

  that's what i was thinking you actually [TS]

  have the same model of that like it's [TS]

  like that whatever NP whatever whatever [TS]

  50 yeah that the same battery i have so [TS]

  that so that's why you're better lives [TS]

  and works because your camera is is a [TS]

  bigger sensor bigger screen like [TS]

  everything about it is going to use more [TS]

  battery than mine does and you have the [TS]

  same actual physical battery and that's [TS]

  no good [TS]

  so better life is one of the things that [TS]

  differentiates pro program again but [TS]

  another one just like just handling [TS]

  durability speed support your [TS]

  professional doesn't always mean that it [TS]

  has the best features or the fastest [TS]

  whatever the fastest hardware or the [TS]

  highest and hardware the highest specs [TS]

  that is not what professional means that [TS]

  often it you know results in that but [TS]

  not always professional means that you [TS]

  can use it to get your job done and it's [TS]

  not going to fail on you [TS]

  so that's why you know if you look at [TS]

  you know topic that we are near and dear [TS]

  to toasters it now [TS]

  oh god all of the toasters that John has [TS]

  tested and love so much well with [TS]

  varying degrees of love so much if you [TS]

  actually tried to use one of those [TS]

  toasters in a bagel shop where they need [TS]

  a toaster a lot like this is like a [TS]

  commercial duty role if you used any of [TS]

  those sisters even like the nice like [TS]

  three hundred dollar ones they would [TS]

  burn out and die in like two months at [TS]

  most [TS]

  because they're not made the they aren't [TS]

  made for a heavy workload they are you [TS]

  know they would overheat or they would [TS]

  have problems like they're not made for [TS]

  that and if you look at like a toaster [TS]

  that's in like a bagel shop you have one [TS]

  of the belt-drive toasters there's like [TS]

  a thousand dollars and you look at your [TS]

  like that's stupid [TS]

  this toaster i can get at at macy's or [TS]

  whatever is like 40 [TS]

  bucks and has way more features in that [TS]

  but that for your thing will die shortly [TS]

  and you can't do like almost at the same [TS]

  time with it and everything else and [TS]

  that thousand-dollar really basic belt [TS]

  drive one at the bagel shop is going to [TS]

  work for a long time [TS]

  progear is you know this is a metaphor [TS]

  for most truly professional gear and if [TS]

  you look at what what the mid-range and [TS]

  high-end SLR like you know and i'm [TS]

  really talking about like canon and [TS]

  nikon here I don't think anybody's [TS]

  really in this game anymore [TS]

  canon nikon and I think kanan's quite a [TS]

  bit of it [TS]

  these are like machines that are [TS]

  designed to do work and never fail on [TS]

  you as much as I love my sony camera I [TS]

  would be surprised if it still works [TS]

  perfectly [TS]

  eight years from now whereas the cannon [TS]

  does [TS]

  because if that's a program camera the [TS]

  sony is a really high-end feature and [TS]

  spec camera but it does not handle like [TS]

  a professional camera doesn't feel like [TS]

  a professional camera it doesn't feel [TS]

  like it has the longevity and and the [TS]

  ruggedness and I think generally [TS]

  speaking I think people's experiences [TS]

  online has backed up where you'll hear [TS]

  really pro pro photographer who took a [TS]

  sony a7 series camera like to Antarctica [TS]

  and it failed or something like that [TS]

  like and you can do that with other [TS]

  campers because they're made for like [TS]

  hard use extreme conditions they're [TS]

  always ready they're like you know I [TS]

  mean you know within reason of course [TS]

  but like you know they're they're [TS]

  generally just more rugged and they [TS]

  they're also just you know they're there [TS]

  faster they have more physical buttons [TS]

  and yeah they're larger and clunkier and [TS]

  heavier to get you all that stuff but [TS]

  you know that's all there they have dual [TS]

  card slots because it that way you can [TS]

  you can have a backup in case one card [TS]

  fails or whatever else there are so many [TS]

  of Florence's there and if they break [TS]

  there's generally better service [TS]

  available 24 progear not always but [TS]

  usually [TS]

  and that's it that's another area where [TS]

  sony has been criticized as having kind [TS]

  of shoddy service for like four Pro kind [TS]

  of use all these arrows cameras like [TS]

  they really don't handle like pro [TS]

  cameras they they don't have the the [TS]

  strength and ruggedness and durability [TS]

  of pro cameras and they don't have [TS]

  really liked the design work load of pro [TS]

  cameras and that one that won't change [TS]

  so i think and i honestly I there when i [TS]

  do handle an SLR these days there are [TS]

  parts of it i do miss I miss how [TS]

  incredibly respond [TS]

  answer they are i miss Howe just how [TS]

  fast can snap shots and had no problem [TS]

  at all and see everything that i do miss [TS]

  a tropical viewfinder sometimes there [TS]

  are certain things that as amusing that [TS]

  i missed my sony music on this thing's [TS]

  like focus peaking which I don't think [TS]

  you can do it all in an SLR and because [TS]

  the way this is designed things you know [TS]

  that there's all sorts of things that [TS]

  you that you can use the luxuries with [TS]

  with mirrorless cameras that you can but [TS]

  you really can't do with all ours but if [TS]

  i was going out like shooting an event [TS]

  again like I used to do with Tiffany I [TS]

  was when I was her second shooter i [TS]

  would pick an SLR still and probably for [TS]

  the foreseeable future because they were [TS]

  for actual pro use where every shot [TS]

  matters [TS]

  you can't have any delays you can have [TS]

  anything fail you can't worry about the [TS]

  battery I mean when we were shooting [TS]

  with those with the 5 d's you know [TS]

  Tiffany shot a bunch of weddings [TS]

  together cuz shes wedding photographer [TS]

  and we were together and I can't I think [TS]

  maybe I worry about the battery level [TS]

  once in all that time you used we felt [TS]

  the car before before the batteries run [TS]

  out and you just never had to think [TS]

  about the batteries it was so big with [TS]

  the stony and thinking about the battery [TS]

  almost every time like almost everyday [TS]

  issues with the sony I have to watch the [TS]

  battery level and then it goes down like [TS]

  twenty percent i got to be at my pocket [TS]

  you know it's it's not a professional [TS]

  piece of equipment it produces very [TS]

  incredible photos but it is not [TS]

  programmed SL ours not all the mark but [TS]

  many SLR Tsar pro-quality year and that [TS]

  difference I think will always be there [TS]

  just because of the the market realities [TS]

  and physical reality is that these two [TS]

  markets there you go with the always [TS]

  again you know I made and I'm going to [TS]

  jump on that gonna affect the wind is [TS]

  blowing like it reminds me kind of the [TS]

  not quite the same as now she's not [TS]

  perfect but it's a think it's a similar [TS]

  situation that can put you in the right [TS]

  mindset to understand how this is gonna [TS]

  go when professionals all use some [TS]

  cameras please digital cameras were crap [TS]

  we all remember that time our old house [TS]

  to remember that we're of course you [TS]

  know [TS]

  digital cameras are fine they're [TS]

  interesting toy but it's ridiculous you [TS]

  will never compare to 35 millimeter film [TS]

  film professionals all the special [TS]

  cameras canon and nikon they're all DSLR [TS]

  not be also they will slrs without the d [TS]

  in the front of them because they you [TS]

  know their professional camera for all [TS]

  the reasons you stated and they were in [TS]

  digital because everybody knows that [TS]

  digital may have some weird advantages [TS]

  but you can't take these pictures within [TS]

  that slowly really really slowly changed [TS]

  and there was a time when no [TS]

  professional photographer use digital [TS]

  and now almost all of them do unless [TS]

  they're real artsy fartsy it just so [TS]

  happens they stayed in the same form [TS]

  factor the DSLR at that point and [TS]

  there's a lot of uh you know not baggage [TS]

  about history there it's instinct you [TS]

  know even if it was universally better [TS]

  it would take a long time as people have [TS]

  tons of lenses and they're used to the [TS]

  cameras they like as established people [TS]

  for you know know how to fix them and [TS]

  their kind of familiar with the machines [TS]

  in the way they work but there are still [TS]

  advantages to Marilyn terms of like [TS]

  continuous autofocus of a moving target [TS]

  that you could you never do manual [TS]

  focusing in that DSLR is not fast enough [TS]

  to catch for very very fast motion for [TS]

  things like sports photography and of [TS]

  course all the size advantages and other [TS]

  things i'm not saying it's inevitable [TS]

  but I feel like the main thing keeping [TS]

  dslrs dominant now is because Manuel [TS]

  like the inertia that manufacturers are [TS]

  making use no reason you couldn't make a [TS]

  professional mirrorless camera just [TS]

  happens no one is doing that because the [TS]

  market is in dslrs and they're really [TS]

  good and the adventures haven't shipped [TS]

  overnight but I feel like this is a slow [TS]

  migration that gradually over time like [TS]

  Sony's kind of doing it first you have [TS]

  the mirrorless cameras like oh this is a [TS]

  great way for consumers to get a camera [TS]

  that has a little bit bigger sensor but [TS]

  you know that we know consumers don't [TS]

  want to buy an SLR just a really big so [TS]

  this is a great advantage for them and [TS]

  sunny was like you know we we can make [TS]

  even better camera like that maybe we [TS]

  can make a full-frame one and maybe we [TS]

  can make good enough that professionals [TS]

  might notice and all the things Marco [TS]

  said about them not being suitable for [TS]

  the job are still true but did you know [TS]

  they're creeping up on that no one [TS]

  knowing it before the a7 and your camera [TS]

  it was that wasn't a thing that even [TS]

  existed and now you know something's [TS]

  probably the wrong company to do it like [TS]

  it all it's gonna take is for you know [TS]

  five years from now whatever for Nikon [TS]

  and Canon to make their first [TS]

  professional mirrorless camera and [TS]

  that's just like then you've passed a [TS]

  tipping point is just a matter of time [TS]

  then before they also watch over because [TS]

  i think the advantages are important [TS]

  enough that eventually people will make [TS]

  professional mirrorless cameras even if [TS]

  they're not doing that today [TS]

  that's a fair point i mean i-i guess i [TS]

  should clarify that you know it i don't [TS]

  i don't believe it's impossible to make [TS]

  a pro grade / handling mirrorless camera [TS]

  there's nothing about the [TS]

  airless component layout that prevents [TS]

  programmers from being made that i know [TS]

  of days aren't made and I and even even [TS]

  the very expensive ones like like the [TS]

  seminar to our professional in quality [TS]

  but not professional and handling and [TS]

  responsiveness and work and ruggedness [TS]

  and everything so that being said [TS]

  sony is rumored to be working on [TS]

  something that the recycling a9 that is [TS]

  allegedly a pro like mirrorless with the [TS]

  a7 series sensors so that could be [TS]

  really interesting if that's real and if [TS]

  it's if it actually is pro handling and [TS]

  all this being said if i were to look at [TS]

  an SLR again today I would probably end [TS]

  up looking at nikon honestly not canon [TS]

  because canon has just not been keeping [TS]

  up at all with Sony in dynamic range and [TS]

  high iso noise performance and nikon use [TS]

  Sony sensors and so like the nikon d750 [TS]

  is an incredible camera it's not even [TS]

  that new anymore it's incredible camera [TS]

  that has a beautiful sony sensor that's [TS]

  very similar to the a7r one sensor i [TS]

  believe and yes I would almost certainly [TS]

  go a nikon if i was going to sell art [TS]

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  ah apparently video games are still a [TS]

  thing and I was not aware of this but [TS]

  apparently not only are they a thing but [TS]

  you have to go through like really [TS]

  terrible awful other things to be able [TS]

  to do that thing [TS]

  oh you're talking about boot camp yeah [TS]

  Oh God [TS]

  so things are not going well I guess I [TS]

  should drive your Tesla over here and [TS]

  pick me up I'll services but Sarah [TS]

  success on something you just go up to [TS]

  the job so so can we just give justice [TS]

  just a moment of background so you're [TS]

  trying or well maybe not you actually I [TS]

  guess it's tiff is trying to play no [TS]

  man's sky is that I'm not trying to [TS]

  troll I'm really knows you're feeling [TS]

  inside [TS]

  oh my god is that an old man crazy III [TS]

  when it comes to this I ambit the gnomon [TS]

  sky the pokey man's and so anyway so [TS]

  it's so TIFF wanted to play inside and [TS]

  that is not available on OS 10 [TS]

  soon-to-be Mac Mac us RM a cost and it [TS]

  is available on the xbox but not the [TS]

  playstation 4 is that fair [TS]

  it's coming out of the playstation 4 [TS]

  soonish yeah that's right now maybe it [TS]

  will maybe we'll be out by the time [TS]

  markets bootcamp it way and and then [TS]

  because it's not available on on OS 10 [TS]

  and you guys only have a playstation 4 u [TS]

  collective you thought okay we will [TS]

  install windows and we will play it [TS]

  there is that a reasonable summary but [TS]

  yeah basically left off all the hemming [TS]

  and hawing we have the whole show for my [TS]

  rocket and xbox one was around playing [TS]

  around anyway they but the end of that [TS]

  shows like okay and [TS]

  under the boot camp thing and so now [TS]

  we're picking up at that point where the [TS]

  decision has been made to the boot camp [TS]

  and steam and windows is the way to do [TS]

  it and then it was complaining about it [TS]

  yelling at me somehow somehow this is my [TS]

  fault on Twitter boot camp isn't working [TS]

  out so I i assume is all Marcus faults [TS]

  we can tell us what's going on there are [TS]

  cute [TS]

  hi to why is it houses my fault let me [TS]

  just explain once again once again tip i [TS]

  decided to do bootcamp for this game the [TS]

  day I decided to do it i spent some time [TS]

  walking around and seeing how much [TS]

  windows 10 cost before eventually [TS]

  decided to go with the copy windows [TS]

  seven that I had I wiped my bootcamp [TS]

  partition made a new one installed [TS]

  windows seven install steam and played [TS]

  all of inside everything i just [TS]

  described took place in one day that's [TS]

  all I'm saying [TS]

  oh haha wait can you guys hold on a [TS]

  second i do that for me real quick [TS]

  I just want to play a three-hour game i [TS]

  just want to buy it it's a three-hour [TS]

  game it's this is the gilligan's island [TS]

  of games here you go on a three-hour [TS]

  tour and you end up there for your whole [TS]

  freakin life because you're dealing with [TS]

  Windows nightmares [TS]

  what's going wrong here how house is not [TS]

  happening this has been like days week [TS]

  it's been a long time it's been been a [TS]

  long time not even counting the whole [TS]

  time about waffling what you should do [TS]

  and then even after the decision has [TS]

  been made that we're going to bootcamp [TS]

  and still I i assume you have not played [TS]

  this game [TS]

  oh because this whole bootcamping was [TS]

  pitched to us as Oh it'll be no problem [TS]

  it's just boot camp you just put it on [TS]

  the distal you have your little [TS]

  partition and you just plug it in at [TS]

  least three easy you just do it so easy [TS]

  i did this like I just not speculation [TS]

  like it should be easy I i actually did [TS]

  it [TS]

  if you actually wrote out the steps it [TS]

  would take to how it's done [TS]

  only one person with the initial Marco [TS]

  idea of let's just throw some money at [TS]

  the problem by an xbox because we should [TS]

  have done that because in this variation [TS]

  I i'm almost about to break [TS]

  I i I'm gonna kick all the computers in [TS]

  like in their faces like I'm so angry [TS]

  wow we do alright so here's here's what [TS]

  has happened so the other night so you [TS]

  know we have a child [TS]

  he is young we haven't had a ton of time [TS]

  to devote to this problem so you know a [TS]

  few weeks ago whenever whenever we talk [TS]

  about our first I had created this this [TS]

  bootcamp completed this bootcamp [TS]

  installation of Windows 10 using a real [TS]

  windows 10 product key thanks to a [TS]

  listener who who graciously sent me one [TS]

  actually well I hadn't entered it yet [TS]

  but we'll get to that was tonight's [TS]

  problem thanks thanks windows for your [TS]

  tattoo of a warning signs all over [TS]

  everything you do if you don't ha whoo [TS]

  thank you going right so anyway anyway [TS]

  so i installed Windows 10 choosing the [TS]

  like remind me later option on the [TS]

  product key screen because why wouldn't [TS]

  you like that and then and then I saw [TS]

  your light on the this external samsung [TS]

  SSD so that we could plug it into any [TS]

  computer we wanted to because sometimes [TS]

  I might want to play a game [TS]

  sometimes I might be my laptop sometime [TS]

  tips desktop so we I set it all up on my [TS]

  laptop and figuring that I could just [TS]

  plug it into tips imac to play the game [TS]

  when she was ready because her imac was [TS]

  in use [TS]

  she was working and using it and I [TS]

  didn't want to disturb during setup so i [TS]

  set the whole thing up as a bootable [TS]

  bootcamp drive on this SSD from my [TS]

  laptop and my macbook pro and I got the [TS]

  message of ohdon't worry whenever you're [TS]

  ready to play this game i got it all [TS]

  setup we just need to plug in I could [TS]

  bring it here i could bring it there i [TS]

  could put done this like to put it on [TS]

  that you're gonna be ready to go you [TS]

  just let me know [TS]

  that's exactly how I sounded am I feel [TS]

  like you're still yelling at me about [TS]

  that you realize this is your husband [TS]

  I'm not me I i live over here in this [TS]

  house [TS]

  uh yeah I know where that house is John [TS]

  i know but i didn't know as i think--not [TS]

  blamed his whatsoever you should be [TS]

  angry at Marco previous destinations in [TS]

  my gps and I can find you [TS]

  that's it that's all it takes is bring [TS]

  the computer with you and how you said [TS]

  helping just driving over to Tim now [TS]

  wait whose house John's house yet drive [TS]

  over to john's yeah yeah so anyway so I [TS]

  i plug the plug the drive into this [TS]

  computer so we know she has like this [TS]

  one night set out which is a couple days [TS]

  ago his one-night stay at this this is [TS]

  the day that she's able to play this [TS]

  game finally so put your kid to bed i [TS]

  start shutting down your computer and [TS]

  rebooting the bootcamp drive [TS]

  and of course since the bootcamp [TS]

  installation was something like two [TS]

  weeks old [TS]

  it had a software update the software [TS]

  updates ok update updates [TS]

  yeah a just a software update i think we [TS]

  need to fix that [TS]

  yeah had multiple software updates [TS]

  didn't you use windows for like years [TS]

  and years before use the mac like these [TS]

  are the rookie mistakes that I don't [TS]

  even know what the only reason this room [TS]

  and even i know the day you decide to [TS]

  play your windows game is not the day to [TS]

  find out you have windows updates like [TS]

  there's always a prep day where you [TS]

  install the windows updates and make [TS]

  sure everything is set to go every day [TS]

  you find out everyday is a Windows [TS]

  Update day every day but doesn't like it [TS]

  you can you can defer them anyway you [TS]

  have left the prep day out of that three [TS]

  hour total of this took you then know [TS]

  that that day that I did it I did all [TS]

  the updates because i was a full day but [TS]

  yeah I did I did them the hemming and [TS]

  hawing about doing it I did the research [TS]

  i did the creation of the partition and [TS]

  the installation i did the endless [TS]

  windows updates and then after that are [TS]

  played the game because it's three hours [TS]

  long [TS]

  alright so anyway so you know we we boot [TS]

  up we go to the software updates every [TS]

  few times that boots [TS]

  it gives the the non-system disk error [TS]

  on boot for some reason with that old [TS]

  with da serra put instagram like yeah so [TS]

  windows is windows it's a total pile of [TS]

  garbage as it always has been [TS]

  because i haven't used windows since XP [TS]

  of course took me a long time to find [TS]

  certain settings and handling things [TS]

  like how do i change the resolution [TS]

  things like that anyway so that when i [TS]

  first installed i thought you know just [TS]

  in case because I because it creates [TS]

  installation on a macbook pro but I'm [TS]

  running it now in a5k imac just in case [TS]

  let me update that could be one when we [TS]

  first launched the game on the fact that [TS]

  make the frame rate was terrible so I [TS]

  was like all right maybe I need to [TS]

  update video driver because digs it [TS]

  didn't install the one for the imac [TS]

  maybe only install the one for the [TS]

  macbook pro even though it's like one [TS]

  package of support files for all [TS]

  hardware supposedly ok [TS]

  reinstall the tools you know get try to [TS]

  fix the stupid framerate issue [TS]

  finally we get it we get it going and we [TS]

  get the game going and i eventually [TS]

  figure out the resolution have to reboot [TS]

  they're all stupid update so we're [TS]

  already [TS]

  two hours in now he has a call this [TS]

  stupid updating and rebooting and we [TS]

  only have so much time right because we [TS]

  have a child who goes to sleep and once [TS]

  he goes to sleep we only have so much [TS]

  time to play the game before we're [TS]

  exhausted and we can't stay up anymore [TS]

  so we had was a limited window [TS]

  whoo oh so yeah so if this is terrible [TS]

  like rebooting cycle and drivers and all [TS]

  this BS eventually we get the game [TS]

  finally to run and then it's like wait [TS]

  there's no mass support we gotta plug in [TS]

  a controller controller options and how [TS]

  we do that and we look to try to use the [TS]

  keyboard just yeah well we eventually [TS]

  came that first first we don't have any [TS]

  gamepads 4pcs was like but we have a ps3 [TS]

  controller of the ps4 controller we have [TS]

  an xbox 360 controller everything you [TS]

  just plug these in they'll just start [TS]

  working so we tried a few of those of [TS]

  course none of them actually worked even [TS]

  the xbox xbox 360 georgian closest that [TS]

  we actually showed up in whatever than [TS]

  the current name is for device manager [TS]

  however it didn't the game didn't [TS]

  recognize it for whatever reason like [TS]

  the just couldn't find things to it so [TS]

  oh well then oh nevermind so eventually [TS]

  i refine keyboard with you picked the [TS]

  keyboard then it finally starts playing [TS]

  a game okay finally it's like you know [TS]

  what is probably ten o'clock just [TS]

  fucking think we can finally start [TS]

  playing this game so I leave the room [TS]

  because i know i didn't want to disturb [TS]

  her with light from my computer because [TS]

  these people so freaking reflective [TS]

  she's playing a game a nice dark office [TS]

  I leave the office called me back in [TS]

  like four minutes later the game broke [TS]

  what I come in and it just like it had [TS]

  quit to the static like it had minimize [TS]

  itself to the status bar as if you'd [TS]

  what used to happen if it still happens [TS]

  windows gaming but we used to happen if [TS]

  you actually hit the Windows key + or [TS]

  invoked alt-tab in any other way so I so [TS]

  I got accused of did you did you put [TS]

  your finger on the button and I'm like [TS]

  no I cannot linger on a button i would [TS]

  also like Anton my heart smart i just [TS]

  want to rule that out because you know [TS]

  it's it's right on the board next all [TS]

  the buttons anyway then this happened [TS]

  have a great but it happens to the best [TS]

  of us every pc gamer actually hit the [TS]

  Windows key sometimes it always happens [TS]

  anyway so that's of course I see the [TS]

  game like minimize the taskbar and of [TS]

  course once the game [TS]

  to minimize the taskbar you can't get it [TS]

  to resume like that that's it it's over [TS]

  you have to like force quit you can [TS]

  still hear it you can still move the [TS]

  character around you can't like there's [TS]

  no way you can get a back full screen [TS]

  again because windows game apparently [TS]

  has an advanced is a problem in 1999 and [TS]

  the cursor disappears the cursor totally [TS]

  disappears you can even do anything [TS]

  because the game captures the mouse [TS]

  cursor still is it seemed like alt-tab [TS]

  to nothing else to get the cursor bag [TS]

  it's it's like I I'm shocked that [TS]

  Windows has not fix these problems in [TS]

  the like 16 years since i first started [TS]

  seeing like how really how they not fix [TS]

  this [TS]

  anyway they haven't because windows is [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  so anyway we eventually like you know I [TS]

  i get back in the game where we tried [TS]

  rebooting we tried installing other [TS]

  videos are overlooking the internet for [TS]

  solutions of course the internet is full [TS]

  of garbage so expensive i leave United [TS]

  tries again and we start getting this [TS]

  balloon that comes up that the video [TS]

  driver has stopped responding but it has [TS]

  recovered so first of all who the hell [TS]

  writes these messages like that Wyatt [TS]

  why does a user needs to know like what [TS]

  what is a regular person I mean we are [TS]

  experts sort of non-windows our gaming [TS]

  but like we're computer experts and I [TS]

  know what all those words mean and i [TS]

  still can't tell you what the hell is [TS]

  supposed to do about that [TS]

  maybe it's the ram backmarker don't even [TS]

  understand don't ya don't even [TS]

  understand market the you think those [TS]

  are messages are bad imagine just a hex [TS]

  code that's all you get is a hex code [TS]

  and their error an error has occured [TS]

  hectic and then just go scouring the [TS]

  internet hoping that somebody has hit [TS]

  this before and has a fix [TS]

  do you remember what I told the story in [TS]

  the pockets because i remember to [TS]

  remember i had to do to get my video you [TS]

  know basically to get my video drivers [TS]

  to remember that no because I had took a [TS]

  few runs out where is all the bootcamp [TS]

  drivers but i reinstall windows then [TS]

  install the bootcamp drivers but every [TS]

  time I saw the bootcamp drivers had made [TS]

  my system unbootable like you would boot [TS]

  back up and recognize you want to try to [TS]

  repair and would try to repair and it [TS]

  would never succeed and be like oh well [TS]

  alright so what I had to do was install [TS]

  the drivers then do apples little boot [TS]

  camp driver installation but stop it as [TS]

  soon as sound works because it makes a [TS]

  sound when installed the driver and i [TS]

  had to forcibly kill the driver in [TS]

  isolation and then install like that [TS]

  because i had three things I had that [TS]

  windows itself i had the ati drivers for [TS]

  the radeon drivers like third-party [TS]

  drivers from the radeon site for [TS]

  bootcamp specifically AMD says these are [TS]

  the ones used for bootcamp for this [TS]

  video card right and then I had the [TS]

  Apple drivers and the combination of [TS]

  three of them as I had to do them in a [TS]

  certain order and I had to kill the [TS]

  apple one as soon as sound worked and [TS]

  that is a setup that work for a bit but [TS]

  that was like an hour's worth of seng [TS]

  there so it's never easy and I think [TS]

  it's easy but I figured it was because [TS]

  my computer is ancient and like it would [TS]

  be easier on our computer I feel like [TS]

  when people go through all of these [TS]

  steps to to do something simple and they [TS]

  they recount all the steps in the [TS]

  craziness and it took me a day and I did [TS]

  this and then I did this and then I got [TS]

  into work and now it works it's fine i [TS]

  feel like it's like a metal layer i got [TS]

  a badge of honor right that everyone's [TS]

  wearing now that almost nothing but look [TS]

  at me things that I did to get my think [TS]

  my mind my simple task to do to play a [TS]

  game just a game the game it is well let [TS]

  me remind everyone said though let me [TS]

  remind everyone i was making a fairly [TS]

  lucrative living in windows and did [TS]

  everything in my power to leave that [TS]

  behind [TS]

  maybe maybe that was for a reason may be [TS]

  that reason might be windows this just [TS]

  reminds you of why why we all have max [TS]

  like this is this is the reason why is [TS]

  it that the trick is that if if this is [TS]

  proposes a solution is easy way to play [TS]

  a game by somebody [TS]

  no but different her for you know [TS]

  personally I had more faith and [TS]

  marketability to the second of all local [TS]

  the most important thing is Marco can [TS]

  have these struggles because the [TS]

  timeline is already incredibly stretched [TS]

  out because of all his did you know [TS]

  having whoring and trying to say I was [TS]

  gonna do you don't presented as ready to [TS]

  play unless you're sure it's ready to [TS]

  play like you don't like it the making [TS]

  the promise like a lot but I don't drive [TS]

  everything's all set like you should [TS]

  have known like tip should not you [TS]

  should even talk to tiff about this [TS]

  until you you've loaded it played for 15 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  reset to the beginning of the game and [TS]

  say okay now it's ready for you like [TS]

  that's when it's actually ready you [TS]

  don't you don't involve her unless she [TS]

  wants to do it herself fine she can do [TS]

  all this crap but if you're going to [TS]

  deal with the crap don't call her in to [TS]

  look at it until it's really done that's [TS]

  the secret to all the geeky like stuff [TS]

  you're you know doing for your family [TS]

  you don't want to show them what it [TS]

  actually takes to get this done you [TS]

  don't call them into the room until the [TS]

  thing is already loaded in itunes or [TS]

  netflix until it's already queuing up [TS]

  until you've seen the paramount logo [TS]

  appear like you know all the network [TS]

  characters are working you know you're [TS]

  signed in you know everything had [TS]

  software update the popcorn is popping [TS]

  they come in they sit down you hit the [TS]

  play button that was already about to [TS]

  play like that's what you gotta do the [TS]

  everyone who's in a relationship at any [TS]

  kind would totally pat me on the back [TS]

  because i didn't say i told you so at [TS]

  that moment when he brought up it was in [TS]

  your eyes it [TS]

  oh yeah well I can't keep it out of my I [TS]

  mean I gotta show you a little bit i [TS]

  mean you're giving me like the look so [TS]

  hard but I didn't say it [TS]

  yes yelled at me on Twitter instead this [TS]

  is transference just taken out of me [TS]

  yeah so anyway so eventually it just [TS]

  keep [TS]

  keep [TS]

  this stupid like display driver stopped [TS]

  responding but we figured it out but yet [TS]

  this is no problem to alert you with via [TS]

  a balloon that kills your game this [TS]

  problem kept happening and I tried you [TS]

  know this is like is like an ati driver [TS]

  control panel so I kept open it up and I [TS]

  turning down settings and tried lowering [TS]

  the resolution which is not easy anymore [TS]

  but eventually dug down and finalists [TS]

  crap in their new interface that's even [TS]

  worse than the old one and eventually [TS]

  figured out like I let me turn all the [TS]

  settings turn all the anti-aliasing [TS]

  Charlie turned down everything that I [TS]

  know to be complex and it still [TS]

  company's problems my god it's not like [TS]

  an issue of it overloading so I I [TS]

  thought maybe just maybe this is because [TS]

  i had created the installation on my [TS]

  laptop and I was running it on a [TS]

  five-day imac and so I thought let's [TS]

  just try playing the game on the laptop [TS]

  so we abandon ship from the back [TS]

  yeah so to move to the chair was invited [TS]

  for survivors you know got in the boat [TS]

  and we left the imac and we moved onto [TS]

  the chair with a laptop [TS]

  yeah so finally went over finally play [TS]

  the game on laptop and it was suppose [TS]

  the first problem you had There was that [TS]

  it was that the one now I just need you [TS]

  to get my pen right and and we've rented [TS]

  a power almost in this that was another [TS]

  balloon like that yesterday morning [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah yeah the batteries ran out we have [TS]

  to plug in because it's a laptop yet [TS]

  turns out when you play games laptop [TS]

  batteries don't last very long [TS]

  what a surprise so it's ok so i go back [TS]

  to play the game tonight since I stayed [TS]

  up so late last night trying to finish [TS]

  the game in time but I get just got so [TS]

  late i was i was very very tired in the [TS]

  ultimate insult [TS]

  I went to bed before she did and then [TS]

  alexa turns off all the lights on me [TS]

  which was the worst but i had to turn it [TS]

  back on [TS]

  I felt so cool good for mood lighting [TS]

  all right it's good atmosphere for that [TS]

  well I had it mostly dark I just didn't [TS]

  want the whole house to be dark like the [TS]

  other rooms lights went off and I was [TS]

  like plunged into the you know pit of [TS]

  darkness so I had to have her turn it [TS]

  back on [TS]

  anyway so tonight he's podcasting i have [TS]

  my game on a laptop it's portable i can [TS]

  leave the office i can go play wherever [TS]

  I want a nice sit-down and i'm getting [TS]

  ready to play and a message is tattooed [TS]

  in the corner of this dark [TS]

  game it says activate windows go to [TS]

  settings activate Thank You Margo never [TS]

  activated it's right where you left that [TS]

  part of the story is like all click the [TS]

  see a register later like yeah you [TS]

  caught that little little thing that you [TS]

  have to there so it's tattooed on the [TS]

  bottom of the game [TS]

  everything is dark and you know if [TS]

  anyone has played inside you kind of see [TS]

  the video is a lot of silhouettes it is [TS]

  it's very distracting when you have big [TS]

  white letters right at the bottom of the [TS]

  screen shouting at you about activating [TS]

  your windows which whatever the hell [TS]

  that means whatever the hell that means [TS]

  and so I go to the settings so it could [TS]

  tell me and it says there's a button [TS]

  that says do you want to know what the [TS]

  hell this means and so I click the [TS]

  button and it tells me that I need some [TS]

  sort of key and I need to have this [TS]

  program go in and change settings in my [TS]

  computer in order to get this key and [TS]

  what does that just makes me panic so [TS]

  I'm here texting Marco while he's [TS]

  podcasting asking him for a kid he's [TS]

  like Kenya wait I'm like no there's a [TS]

  huge ugly tattoo all over my game and [TS]

  then in that process the gamestops booty [TS]

  it won't boot anymore it just won't it [TS]

  just stops it's just spinning into the [TS]

  abyss steam doesn't work nothing's [TS]

  working [TS]

  finally he sends me the message of with [TS]

  the key in it so thank you whoever gave [TS]

  us that key your awesome i put it in i [TS]

  missed type it I put it in again and it [TS]

  works and then i have to shut down all [TS]

  the programs that i had open and open [TS]

  them again because it can't figure out [TS]

  what i just did and so now the game is [TS]

  sitting on the laptop and it is running [TS]

  and it looks great and Marco calls me in [TS]

  here so that's where we are [TS]

  I'm so glad that journey is only [TS]

  available in the console because he [TS]

  actually destroying the experience of in [TS]

  Cyprus is moody you know atmospheric [TS]

  game you really want to get into a quiet [TS]

  house but not to worry about instead [TS]

  you're being accosted by terrible little [TS]

  balloon set asking you to update windows [TS]

  tell me about your driver i really just [TS]

  ate up all night last night and finished [TS]

  it i think i have only about like 40 [TS]

  minutes left [TS]

  God yeah it's so in conclusion [TS]

  bootcamp sucks John you were wrong and [TS]

  windows sucks and you suck installing [TS]

  boot camp I think that's clear [TS]

  i I can't really argue with that but I [TS]

  mean it sounds even from your experience [TS]

  it sounds like there's just a baseline [TS]

  level of windows crappiness that you [TS]

  have to deal with even if you do [TS]

  everything right well even if you have a [TS]

  PC and it seems like that is [TS]

  approximately like seventy-five percent [TS]

  of the trouble we had so it isn't even [TS]

  that much less than the trouble we have [TS]

  well but you but you did you make bad [TS]

  choices you didn't activate immediately [TS]

  you didn't think about the fact you had [TS]

  update you installed one attached two [TS]

  different hardware then you're going to [TS]

  play on like they're all mistakes that i [TS]

  could have got you away from you you [TS]

  presented as a tip before you knew it [TS]

  was ready like that some of these are [TS]

  just procedural marriage mistakes and [TS]

  some of them are technical assistance [TS]

  windows and like and see what I'm doing [TS]

  it myself i am both the preparer and the [TS]

  person who I'm playing for I'm the most [TS]

  demanding customer for playing I don't [TS]

  want to even begin to play session until [TS]

  I'm absolutely dead sure that everything [TS]

  is all set right [TS]

  John next time you say that this is [TS]

  going to be fine and it's so easy just [TS]

  put something on this thing and then we [TS]

  can play it you're gonna come over here [TS]

  first and do it for us and then I like [TS]

  you I feel like you should bring the [TS]

  computer to me for the service but yeah [TS]

  there's a surprise John doesn't want to [TS]

  leave the house don't know but it [TS]

  wouldn't matter I'd like to drive places [TS]

  in his test literally making pizza we [TS]

  can show up I'm cool with that yeah i do [TS]

  that seems like nobody wants to hear [TS]

  so now that we've got you both here you [TS]

  have this terrible experience like [TS]

  another thing you need to know is the [TS]

  care and feeding of bootcamp partition [TS]

  and steam like I'm gonna die and in the [TS]

  future that for Marco's is fine there [TS]

  will come a time in the future when you [TS]

  want to use this again to play game will [TS]

  there really yeah [TS]

  don't assume that because you played a [TS]

  game on it three months ago that you're [TS]

  like oh I already have that i'll just go [TS]

  into it and download the gameplay you [TS]

  will not they'll be windows updates will [TS]

  be steamed updates you might have to be [TS]

  updated drivers after both of those [TS]

  happen like it's you know you have there [TS]

  is a care and feeding of it the longer [TS]

  you go longer it takes that's why I [TS]

  still usually allow for like eight with [TS]

  an existing bootcamp partition like when [TS]

  I had XP i allowed for one day to [TS]

  install by the game to all the updates [TS]

  launch it make sure it runs the next day [TS]

  would be the play that they could ask [TS]

  playing the game but just not you know [TS]

  it's not that bad just that but you just [TS]

  have to plan for if you go in and say [TS]

  okay this new game is out [TS]

  I've set aside this time I'm going to [TS]

  boot back into boot camp for the first [TS]

  time in three months you will not be [TS]

  playing that game for a long time right [TS]

  so you have to have the you know if you [TS]

  use the boot campers in every day was [TS]

  fine like it you know sort of beat you [TS]

  it's like using your Mac everyday [TS]

  everyone from all those updates or [TS]

  whatever but it really kills you just [TS]

  leave a dormant for months and months so [TS]

  keep that in mind the next time the game [TS]

  is out if she wants to play it get it [TS]

  all set up for ahead of time [TS]

  make sure all the updates to run [TS]

  launched it play a little bit of [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  delete the savegame go back to the [TS]

  beginning make sure he's and I don't [TS]

  think you can purchase healthy already [TS]

  because those buttons those bubbles with [TS]

  the the you know while you maybe want to [TS]

  activate it on the laptop is fine if [TS]

  she's going to play their imac wipe the [TS]

  whole thing start over install the imac [TS]

  from the beginning when she's not there [TS]

  something you may have to sacrifice your [TS]

  own sleep to do this instead of just [TS]

  going to bed early because you're tired [TS]

  from fighting with windows so what part [TS]

  of this is the fun playing the game [TS]

  which is you're supposed to let her have [TS]

  all the fun and you do all the work [TS]

  that's is still too if I'm still here [TS]

  I didn't really leave I did oh I just be [TS]

  like that knowing that there is another [TS]

  way to do this where you just turn on a [TS]

  game and it's there and maybe there's [TS]

  one update is just well it's better I I [TS]

  think you already under underestimate [TS]

  the number updates on consoles like you [TS]

  got your xbox one out-of-the-box you're [TS]

  not playing the you know inside on that [TS]

  xbox and so you run through all the [TS]

  updates the xbox system software then [TS]

  download the game and then whatever [TS]

  patches that it's not it's better it's [TS]

  way better not gonna say it's not but [TS]

  it's not like oh we the xbox just [TS]

  arrived set that up for me after I [TS]

  finished lunch i'll start playing now [TS]

  you want [TS]

  that's the problem it's like like we we [TS]

  think of consoles like the way the Sega [TS]

  Genesis was it just literally always [TS]

  work exactly the same way you plug in [TS]

  the game you eternal on it starts [TS]

  immediately a place that game you're [TS]

  done [TS]

  well that's the way steam on mac works [TS]

  sort of you constantly using your mac [TS]

  and you constantly updating and I bet [TS]

  steam updates like every other time you [TS]

  launch it anyway even on your Mac it's [TS]

  just you're constantly doing that so the [TS]

  updates are gigantic and it's not seven [TS]

  of them it's just you know the cost of [TS]

  doing business the ongoing cost of just [TS]

  using your mac and running updates all [TS]

  the time whenever you [TS]

  like it i don't think i want to pay this [TS]

  cost John Marco supposed to say I said [TS]

  why he doesn't work you have all the fun [TS]

  yeah why is he the one paying this [TS]

  costume why aren't you why aren't I [TS]

  getting berated to learn how to do all [TS]

  this stuff myself [TS]

  come on it's obvious you could but then [TS]

  you have to pay the costs and then you [TS]

  have to have the fun but that's what i [TS]

  did i no one else my family is helping [TS]

  me set up my boot campers and i pay the [TS]

  costs and I have the funder saying the [TS]

  situation of the market was going to do [TS]

  it for you then you that's the [TS]

  arrangement you can have if you want to [TS]

  do it all yourself and not trust market [TS]

  to do it because maybe you have exactly [TS]

  as much more windows he dies which is [TS]

  entirely plausible than you can know who [TS]

  that's insulting you [TS]

  Marco trust me huh anyway hope this game [TS]

  is good you want to finish yeah I need [TS]

  to go finish this game [TS]

  all right i'll see you on the [TS]

  incomparable John ok to enjoy thanks a [TS]

  lot incomparable for causing all this [TS]

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  indochino your look your way ah matthew [TS]

  s wrote in and said I've spotted a new [TS]

  trend whilst commuting on the London [TS]

  tube every day and it drives me all caps [TS]

  nuts before returning the iphone to [TS]

  their pocket or bag i'd say probably [TS]

  ninety percent of the 16 to 22 year olds [TS]

  quit all of their apps [TS]

  ok and then flick up control center that [TS]

  the control center panel em and turn the [TS]

  brightness to 0 before putting the phone [TS]

  to sleep [TS]

  what why because they want a thinner [TS]

  iphone yeah that fits perfectly with the [TS]

  with the quitting on the absolute we [TS]

  have discussed at length on other shows [TS]

  and is mostly pointless and possibly [TS]

  detrimental depending on what's going on [TS]

  turning the control center brightness [TS]

  down is exactly the same kind of like it [TS]

  makes no logical sense if you think [TS]

  about it because brightness must mean [TS]

  uses the battery and even though putting [TS]

  to sleep i feel better about turning the [TS]

  brightness all the way down because it [TS]

  actually wakes up in my pocket or the [TS]

  next time I wake it up [TS]

  it's this is a bad idea people like [TS]

  there's no end to the number of things [TS]

  that people do like putting chicken [TS]

  entrails or in a circle around their bed [TS]

  at night to make their phone charge [TS]

  faster whatever there is no any other [TS]

  things that they will do like if if we [TS]

  could put more things in like control [TS]

  center and settings and stuff it seemed [TS]

  to be power related before they put [TS]

  their phones to sleep is the best one [TS]

  because the screen is basically off when [TS]

  you put it to sleep and yet they still [TS]

  want to turn the brightness down and you [TS]

  know it's like the energy used by [TS]

  pulling up control center and it's [TS]

  probably you know negates the energy [TS]

  they say by having the brightness down a [TS]

  millisecond before they hit the power [TS]

  button to put the thing to sleep but [TS]

  wait there is some validity here because [TS]

  if a notification comes in [TS]

  cause of the screen to light up it will [TS]

  then be at lower brightness for those [TS]

  like five seconds i know i understand [TS]

  yes very briefly on and yeah I know I [TS]

  know but like but seriously like the [TS]

  amount of time they send on on the [TS]

  double tap the home button and flicking [TS]

  those things up and the GPU cycle the [TS]

  energy of like quickly is for like the [TS]

  other it's just this is naughty and not [TS]

  to mention time which is a resource that [TS]

  is not renewable like this is not a good [TS]

  use of your time if you're doing this [TS]

  please stop if you see your friends [TS]

  putting apps try to convince them that [TS]

  it's not the thing to do I really [TS]

  desperately hope that Apple does like [TS]

  makes force quitting apps require like [TS]

  double key ignition like the nuclear [TS]

  launch code type things like makes it so [TS]

  much more cumbersome so that to actually [TS]

  force quit every single one of your [TS]

  applications would just take way too [TS]

  long and then that will force people to [TS]

  stop this was I think there they'll give [TS]

  up it takes 17 taps in a way that's [TS]

  happened to hold a force press this to [TS]

  force quit one app will they [TS]

  yeah i think i'll just take too long [TS]

  like they won't be able to put the phone [TS]

  away they also has been 15 minutes did [TS]

  like then you know we talked about it [TS]

  for the google the other extremist just [TS]

  give him a button that makes all the [TS]

  pictures go away but doesn't actually [TS]

  force quit anything but you still [TS]

  legitimately need a way to force great [TS]

  apps on your phone so that has to exist [TS]

  that's just it [TS]

  this is such a mess this this whole [TS]

  enterprise apples partially to blame but [TS]

  so are people passing around sort of [TS]

  superstitions about what you should do [TS]

  your phone and yes Marco I saw your dick [TS]

  there yes Apple should make phones with [TS]

  more battery we all agree yeah I mean [TS]

  that's not gonna get the course of today [TS]

  I wait till they announce the new phone [TS]

  but if they did you think it would stop [TS]

  these people from like turning Bryan and [TS]

  I don't think it would because it's not [TS]

  it's not founded is not evidence-based [TS]

  medicine as they say which as we know as [TS]

  we go call normally medicine [TS]

  well but you know it yeah you know if if [TS]

  people weren't always running out of [TS]

  battery [TS]

  they wouldn't be so desperate for [TS]

  solutions and he even if these solutions [TS]

  are fake or an effective they're still a [TS]

  very clear demand here that customers [TS]

  are saying and have been saying for a [TS]

  very long time [TS]

  my battery doesn't last long enough and [TS]

  therefore i'm going to seek out stupid [TS]

  tricks to make it last longer [TS]

  yeah well so that but the bad thing [TS]

  about these tricks is they do them like [TS]

  so everyone has had the battery run out [TS]

  at some point and the more you have [TS]

  around the more you're going to seek out [TS]

  the superstition so there's a true that [TS]

  right [TS]

  but the other thing is that like it runs [TS]

  out because they're out for a long day [TS]

  played a lot of games there was a bug in [TS]

  the OSR bug in some apps that burn [TS]

  through the battery and that triggers [TS]

  the seeking out of soup that you know [TS]

  asking the people in your tribe what you [TS]

  do to make this magical device not [TS]

  around a battery they tell you all these [TS]

  tricks and you you do these tricks [TS]

  religiously and the next day your [TS]

  battery doesn't run out and you [TS]

  attribute the fact that your battery [TS]

  didn't run out to the fact that you did [TS]

  all these tricks no se but you don't [TS]

  need to do all that said no I do these [TS]

  things and now my battery doesn't run [TS]

  out like they don't understand that the [TS]

  reason about a round of the day before I [TS]

  had nothing to do with not doing those [TS]

  things it was a different situation so [TS]

  they every time they do these every day [TS]

  they go through and the battery doesn't [TS]

  run out and I do all this stuff [TS]

  reinforces in their mind the idea that [TS]

  doing these things cause the battery not [TS]

  to run out which is not the case right [TS]

  and so there's it's almost impossible to [TS]

  convince them they should stop doing [TS]

  this did like but when i do this is like [TS]

  the leases rock and simpsons you know [TS]

  this rock keeps away Tigers you know and [TS]

  it sounds like having to rockaway tigers [TS]

  and lisa says you don't see any Tigers [TS]

  do you and then Homer says Lisa I'd like [TS]

  to buy that rock like that's not the [TS]

  human brain works so it's impossible to [TS]

  convince people these things don't work [TS]

  so i think the battery life and the [TS]

  iphone could stand improvement but for [TS]

  most people it last tour normal sort of [TS]

  medium to light used a heavy use days [TS]

  it's still not sufficient which is why i [TS]

  have battery cases and those days people [TS]

  run out of batteries and those are the [TS]

  days that drive them to seek out these [TS]

  things but you see but that's that's [TS]

  that's the problem here like we [TS]

  mentioned earlier in our in the camera [TS]

  discussion i was saying how like you [TS]

  these new Maryland's cameras have [TS]

  especially to set this at the high end [TS]

  so anyone's have terrible battery life [TS]

  and on my sony I've done all sorts of [TS]

  stupid tricks to try to stretch the [TS]

  better life a little bit further because [TS]

  it just isn't good enough and I have [TS]

  always liked you I keep the phone on [TS]

  airplane mode so i don't using the Wi-Fi [TS]

  feature have always liked all the screen [TS]

  turn off really fast and it in all this [TS]

  stuff like all these tricks to try to [TS]

  save a little bit about that power [TS]

  because it's so scarce [TS]

  meanwhile i never once had to seek out a [TS]

  trick I had to save battery power on my [TS]

  SLR because the battery was so [TS]

  ridiculously big and it didn't use that [TS]

  much of it that it was just hardly ever [TS]

  a problem the solution to this problem [TS]

  is to fix the symptoms that cause people [TS]

  to see that these solutions in the first [TS]

  place and I'm not like when people say [TS]

  like oh we're kin phones go we they are [TS]

  so mature now I don't know what phones [TS]

  can get better at [TS]

  only they can get better at this this is [TS]

  one big thing that has always been a [TS]

  problem with with almost all portable [TS]

  devices especially cell phones and I [TS]

  think it's really time to start thinking [TS]

  about the problem differently it's very [TS]

  clear that the way Apple things about [TS]

  this problem is they have the way they [TS]

  they they were these certain tests of [TS]

  like you know voice usage and light web [TS]

  browsing and everything but I think it's [TS]

  increasingly clear that we keep coming [TS]

  up with really cool things we can do [TS]

  with these phones that use [TS]

  something-or-other that needs a lot of [TS]

  power whether it's the GPS chip or the [TS]

  camera or the high-end cpu speed and you [TS]

  may be using the GPU do a bunch of cool [TS]

  3d stuff using AR compositing using [TS]

  advanced processing whatever the case [TS]

  may be we are coming up with things that [TS]

  we can do with these phones that justice [TS]

  or the battery and along with the ones [TS]

  we already had things like you know [TS]

  turn-by-turn directions like that that [TS]

  slaughters the batteries you're keeping [TS]

  gps on I don't think this makes for a [TS]

  good overall product that the story is [TS]

  the battle week will be good enough as [TS]

  long as you don't really do much with it [TS]

  why should be penalized for using it the [TS]

  way you know using all these great [TS]

  features that you've added and and [TS]

  developed and and/or that I've bought in [TS]

  the app store or more likely in taking [TS]

  the appstore gotten in the app store you [TS]

  know why is this okay why is the status [TS]

  quo and and why why is considered good [TS]

  enough [TS]

  oh yeah well it's totally normal for any [TS]

  non-trivial use of your phone even if [TS]

  you use too trivial things for a long [TS]

  time during the day those battery life [TS]

  estimates are based on very light usage [TS]

  of your phone and having it off in your [TS]

  pocket most of the day [TS]

  well our phones are increasingly [TS]

  becoming our computers that's not how [TS]

  people use computers people's computers [TS]

  more all day than that it's like I feel [TS]

  like we are standards are too low both [TS]

  us as consumers are expectations and [TS]

  apple standards in this area are too low [TS]

  that when you start thinking about like [TS]

  how amazing [TS]

  could the phone be if the battery was [TS]

  not the same as it was now was not just [TS]

  like fifteen percent bigger what if it [TS]

  was four times bigger like how would [TS]

  that change the way we can use these [TS]

  devices [TS]

  how would it change how how many of [TS]

  these stupid habits would people no [TS]

  longer need to do [TS]

  if the average person during the two [TS]

  years they own their phone never ran a [TS]

  battery or maybe it happened once you [TS]

  like things would change dramatically [TS]

  but we are never going to get there if [TS]

  we keep making these little tiny [TS]

  incremental improvements because we've [TS]

  declared 10 hours wireless web or [TS]

  whatever to be good enough [TS]

  well I think that we are there it's just [TS]

  were there by strapping backpacks to our [TS]

  phones and that's why Apple made the [TS]

  battery case what that's why mophie [TS]

  makes a killing with every new phone i [TS]

  agree with you by and large that we [TS]

  really should expect and ask for a [TS]

  little bit more juice on these phones [TS]

  and and I think we've talked all three [TS]

  of us to talk about this to death on [TS]

  prior episodes but it really the the [TS]

  fixed today is to strap a humpback here [TS]

  to turn your phone into a humpback phone [TS]

  and then the problem solved [TS]

  real-time follow up on the Real pressing [TS]

  issue here which is the Luna to the the [TS]

  really ridiculous habits of the youths [TS]

  of Britain when your phone is in your [TS]

  pocket [TS]

  it will not light up at least on iOS 10 [TS]

  i just sent myself a push notification I [TS]

  had my finger mashed on the ambient [TS]

  light sensor and it did not light up [TS]

  that maybe it maybe those chances we [TS]

  could have it facing a certain direction [TS]

  maybe different os's did like a lot of [TS]

  the superstition and stuff is based on [TS]

  like maybe the current one doesn't [TS]

  relate they don't they don't update is [TS]

  not evidence based on updating it based [TS]

  on current scenarios and as we set our [TS]

  past shows force quitting can actually [TS]

  cost your battery life if you're just [TS]

  going to use that same app again you're [TS]

  causing it to launch for fresh state [TS]

  over and over and over it's better to [TS]

  resume is better to have it suspended [TS]

  and resume it better for your battery [TS]

  thing you're trying to say but i think [TS]

  this whole topic segues nicely into the [TS]

  actually the first time our topic this [TS]

  was talking about the the iphone 7 [TS]

  rumors which mostly stuff that we talked [TS]

  about before but you know another topic [TS]

  we visit before it's like oh this one [TS]

  looks like it's going to be about the [TS]

  same size and shape as the iphone 6 and [TS]

  I assume the inside as they usually do [TS]

  will become slightly more [TS]

  power-efficient various ways so if it's [TS]

  the same size of the iphone 6 the inside [TS]

  the more power-efficient it should get [TS]

  better battery life right like this [TS]

  should be it's not like we're mark was [TS]

  talking about four times bigger but it [TS]

  it seems like it could be potentially a [TS]

  change the trend where from year to year [TS]

  battery life is basically the same that [TS]

  you know they're basically like they [TS]

  they they they have a new phone but they [TS]

  make a little bit thinner and they try [TS]

  to you know the insides take less power [TS]

  but they use less but they put a smaller [TS]

  battery in it to make it thinner and to [TS]

  try to you know like the ipad and try to [TS]

  keep it around 10 hours keep their stats [TS]

  around the same and very some go up and [TS]

  some go down it's not a smooth slope but [TS]

  for this going to be the third year in a [TS]

  row with the same physical size phone i [TS]

  have to think that this has to have [TS]

  better battery life at least better much [TS]

  better battery life in the six not just [TS]

  like a little bump on the graph but [TS]

  significantly better and if it doesn't I [TS]

  wonder what they're using like have they [TS]

  found a new way to suck up all that [TS]

  battery power because like it it may be [TS]

  too much to ask as we have so many times [TS]

  for Apple please make one fat phone like [TS]

  ya don't make all your phones fat but to [TS]

  make one fat phone why not make one fat [TS]

  one for the people who wants a better [TS]

  and one fat laptop yeah exactly right [TS]

  but they're not going to do that this [TS]

  may be again one of the potential silver [TS]

  linings of the otherwise fairly [TS]

  unremarkable iphone 7 from what we know [TS]

  from the rumors and potentially [TS]

  infuriating iphone 7 with no headphone [TS]

  port is hey it could have better battery [TS]

  life than the six and success in a way [TS]

  that people would notice there's still [TS]

  force quit all their apps in turn the [TS]

  screen brightness down but whatever [TS]

  no but it's see that something like it's [TS]

  not the way you get better battery life [TS]

  is by a dramatic change in the power [TS]

  efficiency of the components or by [TS]

  increasing the battery size and that's [TS]

  how it that's how this happens not [TS]

  biased like you're not like fifteen [TS]

  percent like it's fifteen percent more [TS]

  battery life that's nice i'll take it [TS]

  but that's not going to change anybody's [TS]

  behavior that's not going to be a [TS]

  radical shift in what we can do with [TS]

  these devices that we couldn't do before [TS]

  it could change new users behavior [TS]

  because if they never actually run out [TS]

  of battery [TS]

  they won't seek out these tweaks like [TS]

  you said if you never get into [TS]

  situations run out and it could be that [TS]

  for a huge philosophy / 15 more fifteen [TS]

  percent more is enough to get them over [TS]

  the hump we're like before there but [TS]

  they better would have been dead in it i [TS]

  would have had an hour left until they [TS]

  get home and put on the nightstand and [TS]

  now at last that extra hour and and and [TS]

  has 30 minutes to spare after that so [TS]

  they feel like maybe they feel like I [TS]

  just made it maybe have a little bit of [TS]

  anxiety but they never actually [TS]

  literally run out of battery [TS]

  I think that will go a long way to [TS]

  helping and really like three years same [TS]

  size like the components and so i can [TS]

  get smaller to making room for more [TS]

  battery like all the same form factor [TS]

  for three years I think if you add up [TS]

  all the small games over those years the [TS]

  difference between 26 and 27 is going to [TS]

  be huge difference success and seven [TS]

  maybe not as huge but this is all [TS]

  predicated on something we're not sure [TS]

  about which is who they could have done [TS]

  the same thing with the cpu like oh we [TS]

  we have a more power efficient process [TS]

  for and we've you know reduce the number [TS]

  of chips and some of our chips are made [TS]

  on a smaller process than they used to [TS]

  be like the ancillary supporting ships [TS]

  so we do have a power drop let's use [TS]

  that to crank the clock speed [TS]

  let's use that to add more course to the [TS]

  GPU like we have no idea what's inside [TS]

  the system on the ship so could be there [TS]

  all everything i'm saying is not true [TS]

  and in fact they basically use their [TS]

  budget of extra space and extra power to [TS]

  make this phone faster because that's [TS]

  the only thing that I've heard about [TS]

  this phone [TS]

  besides the dual cameras on the dawn [TS]

  supposedly on the big one that makes you [TS]

  make someone think that it would be [TS]

  better than the successes like well [TS]

  it'll be faster because you know i'll [TS]

  have a better system on a chip on it and [TS]

  doesn't everyone like faster yes I do [TS]

  like faster just complaining about slow [TS]

  iphone last week and dual cameras might [TS]

  be neat but on the other hand and taking [TS]

  away the headphone port anything looks [TS]

  the same so I maybe that's not enough [TS]

  that's the thing i mean like from what [TS]

  we know from revolve know in quotes what [TS]

  the rumors say so far what we've heard [TS]

  from various birdies and tipsters is [TS]

  basically that yet the same shape and [TS]

  size it's a little bit lighter weight [TS]

  and it's you know faster a lot faster [TS]

  supposedly and there was there was very [TS]

  briefly macrumors repost of a story [TS]

  about Allah the hit appear on their feet [TS]

  and was nowhere on their site but I i [TS]

  say that of course that there is [TS]

  allegedly a leaf d pinch test of the new [TS]

  of the new a10 ship and it if it was [TS]

  real it showed roughly fifty percent [TS]

  performance increase over the the a9 [TS]

  that's cool you know that's real and you [TS]

  know that kind of matches up kind of [TS]

  what we've been hearing so you know [TS]

  that's it is probably a lot faster and [TS]

  that's great but if if things get more [TS]

  power-efficient Apple spends it [TS]

  basically like any gains they get [TS]

  inefficiency they spend it in other [TS]

  places and they keep roughly the same [TS]

  target battery life [TS]

  because they they think in general [TS]

  they've that they have good battery life [TS]

  and that's where I think like no like we [TS]

  too weak to work on that assumption [TS]

  there there's a great post in six colors [TS]

  a couple years ago where Jason basically [TS]

  went through and graft the battery life [TS]

  over time by Apple's various testing [TS]

  metrics of iphones and ipads and the [TS]

  iphone graph is very little bit but [TS]

  they're all kind of in the same range [TS]

  and the 6 plus comes out and it's like a [TS]

  big jump up did it doesn't include the s [TS]

  generation that's too old and the funny [TS]

  thing is that the ipad battery life is a [TS]

  straight line like this it's always 10 [TS]

  hours but it did changed no part of that [TS]

  because any advances they make in power [TS]

  efficiency etc they they basically spend [TS]

  by making the battery smaller or by [TS]

  increasing the power budget for things [TS]

  like a faster cpu so Apple is clearly [TS]

  you know it is jason put it in this [TS]

  article solving for x like they've [TS]

  determined like a a certain battery life [TS]

  to be this is good this is a good target [TS]

  we don't really need to get much better [TS]

  than this [TS]

  so let's any games we make them we can [TS]

  make the devices thinner and lighter or [TS]

  whatever or make the CPUs faster or [TS]

  whatever and that this is the problem [TS]

  like i don't see how we get off this [TS]

  treadmill basically like I ICS [TS]

  continuing to make these incremental [TS]

  advantage the incremental advances over [TS]

  you know here and there like like you [TS]

  next year supposedly we're getting an [TS]

  oled screen and that will be a big power [TS]

  savings but is that is that they're [TS]

  going to go into making the phone [TS]

  thinner and lighter probably or you know [TS]

  putting other you know making other [TS]

  components use more power or whatever [TS]

  else like that's probably gonna happen [TS]

  instead because Apple feels that this is [TS]

  good enough because they didn't feel [TS]

  this was good enough they would release [TS]

  a thicker one that you could buy through [TS]

  work with more battery power [TS]

  the thing about those graphs is Apple's [TS]

  controlling all aspects of them may [TS]

  control the product they also control [TS]

  the methodology of the measurement [TS]

  that's true then i assume apples [TS]

  adjusting the methodology because they [TS]

  do collect like all those stats and [TS]

  everything and what you were saying [TS]

  before is essentially telling Apple [TS]

  Apple year you have to change your [TS]

  methodology even more than you have been [TS]

  because people use your phones in [TS]

  different ways they can do many more [TS]

  things like if our people reading [TS]

  Twitter you know in 2008-2009 people [TS]

  reading Twitter on their phones it's [TS]

  like it's a table view full text [TS]

  scrolling it now people are snapchatting [TS]

  that is a whole different you know a [TS]

  battery use sort of profile so I so [TS]

  Apple does updates methodology overtime [TS]

  and based on our diagnostic data they [TS]

  just say while people are really using [TS]

  more power per minute of staring at [TS]

  their phones because the applications [TS]

  are using as you said are doing more [TS]

  interesting things so I hope that they [TS]

  wanted their methodology I can see a [TS]

  scenario where they keep that graph [TS]

  basically level but keep changing their [TS]

  methodology to say [TS]

  normal usage is now uses way more power [TS]

  than it used to [TS]

  and I think they must have been doing [TS]

  that already because it's not as if [TS]

  normal usage and a 3gs is the same as [TS]

  normal usage on on a six like they must [TS]

  be doing that it's just that you again [TS]

  we're we're all saying that they're [TS]

  they're off the curve like they think [TS]

  everything is fine and they're dead [TS]

  they're under maybe just under maybe [TS]

  under by a big amount and there are many [TS]

  ways they can solve they don't seem to [TS]

  be doing it if there but I still feel [TS]

  like they're within shooting distance of [TS]

  it especially keeping the form factor [TS]

  the same for three years in a row and [TS]

  the faster cpu and like fifty percent is [TS]

  a big jump [TS]

  yeah you know it and so you get the [TS]

  advantage of things like race to sleep [TS]

  where how can a faster cpu help you save [TS]

  battery because it gets done with its [TS]

  computation goes back into the low power [TS]

  mode faster right there are you don't [TS]

  you know we're all specs we don't know [TS]

  what the profile this chip is they could [TS]

  burn all the extra energy i'm just more [TS]

  GPU cores for all we know because they [TS]

  love to do that and it's really easy to [TS]

  add them and they do make your games [TS]

  faster but what he hears that here's the [TS]

  problem though so much of modern [TS]

  computing it you know and much of it [TS]

  with Apple devices right in the middle [TS]

  of it is based on this idea that we have [TS]

  to just conserve conserved conserved to [TS]

  sit power everywhere and never push [TS]

  anything too hard for too long the race [TS]

  to sleep it is a big part of that [TS]

  what if we had so much power that we [TS]

  could actually use the cpu I know this [TS]

  is a radical concept that's called [TS]

  that's called a desktop computer and i [TS]

  have one yeah this is a radical concept [TS]

  i know but like like over the weekend I [TS]

  was a this past weekend I was getting [TS]

  some work done on my macbook pro not [TS]

  playing games on it in the mouth of a [TS]

  pro and i was running Xcode and i was i [TS]

  was working on mp3 encoder doing some [TS]

  tests that we talked about last episode [TS]

  using Xcode doing some builds and [TS]

  occasionally having having like a one [TS]

  minute or so burst of all four course [TS]

  being maxed out [TS]

  going back to Xcode code and going back [TS]

  and so you know it was moderate to heavy [TS]

  use not even i'm not even talking about [TS]

  like a handbrake transcode for two hours [TS]

  like I'm just talking like it would max [TS]

  out the course sometimes for a minute or [TS]

  so and then go back to moderate use [TS]

  xcode this made this laptop that is not [TS]

  very old and that when you're not doing [TS]

  much fun it has like a 10-hour quoted [TS]

  battery life have instead a four hour [TS]

  battery life and that sucks like it [TS]

  totally changed how you use it like when [TS]

  if I can use it around the around the [TS]

  house which I was doing like all over [TS]

  anyway we were we were upstate at my [TS]

  in-laws place so i was like you lounging [TS]

  around not not being plugged in tied [TS]

  down anywhere like it was great but if [TS]

  you have if you have to plug in like [TS]

  every few hours to boost that backup [TS]

  that's a lot less useful and it's a lot [TS]

  less compelling and wouldn't it be nice [TS]

  if you didn't have to do that and here [TS]

  they are Apple has basically you know [TS]

  we'll see what the new MacBook Pros have [TS]

  in store but i'm guessing they're not [TS]

  going to have twice the battery life i'm [TS]

  guessing they're gonna have about the [TS]

  same battery life and be thinner and [TS]

  lighter and that's what people want [TS]

  that's fine i wish that was the only [TS]

  option because right now it's like [TS]

  everything apple makes is a thin light [TS]

  and thin lights are great for being thin [TS]

  and light they're only ok for battery [TS]

  life a lot of customers have different [TS]

  needs and this is why I like I really i [TS]

  mean i don't i guess i'll stop harping [TS]

  on this after this but I just I really [TS]

  am sad to see that Apple really keep [TS]

  reducing the amount of choice we have we [TS]

  have we have more and more choice in [TS]

  areas that don't matter like color and [TS]

  we have ever ever less choice on factors [TS]

  that are important to people like me [TS]

  things like battery life and and [TS]

  high-end specs and things like that and [TS]

  that worries me for my future happiness [TS]

  on this platform [TS]

  well but you're you're painting your [TS]

  concerns is the only ones that matter [TS]

  and apples clearly making these [TS]

  decisions based on on what all of the [TS]

  millions upon millions upon millions of [TS]

  iphone users want i do agree with you [TS]

  that twenty-five to fifty percent more [TS]

  battery life I think would make every [TS]

  single iphone user happier but with that [TS]

  said I [TS]

  I don't think doubling the thickness and [TS]

  maybe that's aggressive i don't know but [TS]

  but even even a hundred twenty-five [TS]

  percent of the thickness now that we're [TS]

  all used to these little slivers of of [TS]

  metal [TS]

  I don't know if that would make a lot of [TS]

  people happy and I think a lot of people [TS]

  look at that and go all even even if the [TS]

  same person that just went little wood [TS]

  would really love to have fifty percent [TS]

  more battery life the first reaction [TS]

  will be whole kind of like if they are [TS]

  no remove the headphone jack or [TS]

  something but iight I'm torn because I [TS]

  think I think to some degree you're [TS]

  projecting a little bit what your [TS]

  personal needs and desires are in and [TS]

  and saying these are the only ones that [TS]

  matter because I guess what you're human [TS]

  and since i have similar wants and needs [TS]

  for my devices i tend to agree with you [TS]

  but I don't think we should throw [TS]

  everything out and say oh this is BS and [TS]

  they're not really they're not really [TS]

  doing what anyone wants because i think [TS]

  most people do you just want to thin [TS]

  white phone that lasts all day [TS]

  the problem is is that i don't think [TS]

  many people can get to that last all day [TS]

  part the way it is now and John alluded [TS]

  to earlier said earlier you know if he [TS]

  was fifteen percent better maybe that [TS]

  would get you over the hump well yeah [TS]

  that that's probably true or are you for [TS]

  a lot of people but in my case i am i'm [TS]

  probably at between 10 and 30 percent of [TS]

  the end of most days and i think another [TS]

  ten or fifteen percent if I ended the [TS]

  day at between let's say twenty and [TS]

  forty percent that wouldn't make me stop [TS]

  stressing about my battery life if I [TS]

  ended the day at fifty percent all the [TS]

  time like I did on my watch [TS]

  then i would not be stressed about [TS]

  battery life anymore configured as a [TS]

  personal problem is the personality just [TS]

  like with my percentage you become [TS]

  anxious because we all know people who [TS]

  like use their phone with a little [TS]

  battery meter and the red and they're [TS]

  fine with it and other people will get [TS]

  close to fifty percent same thing with [TS]

  gas tanks by the way is the 15 but my [TS]

  wife asked me the other day she was [TS]

  talking about the light on the dash for [TS]

  like what like like you know the light [TS]

  comes on when you're running low on gas [TS]

  like I've never seen that light and [TS]

  neither should you [TS]

  what are you doing here know that life [TS]

  existed but like you know cases like I [TS]

  i'm not arguing that Apple should make [TS]

  products to fit me period and ignore [TS]

  what everyone else wants [TS]

  I do wish there was more choice and even [TS]

  if that choice wasn't perfect for me you [TS]

  know right now like you know these the [TS]

  way Apple target [TS]

  the battery life and and other factors [TS]

  but you know the better i think the big [TS]

  one the way they target this you [TS]

  basically have an entire product line [TS]

  where everything has roughly the same [TS]

  battery life or you know or fairly close [TS]

  are we talking about the laptops we talk [TS]

  about the phones because the homes if [TS]

  you really wanted [TS]

  if you really want battery life go + [TS]

  club not the screens on the plus has way [TS]

  better battery life if you're talking on [TS]

  it or if it's playing music with the [TS]

  screen off but when the screens on it [TS]

  isn't that much better it's it's a it's [TS]

  a little better but not that much better [TS]

  so you know a lot of these areas where [TS]

  we're like using the screen of the GPU [TS]

  or like a lot of these things it will [TS]

  actually wouldn't be tremendously better [TS]

  but that and that is fair that is you [TS]

  know it is a lot bigger phone and I you [TS]

  know I would I wouldn't mind if my [TS]

  success was thicker I anyway Apple has [TS]

  spent the last few years basically [TS]

  reducing the amount of choice we have in [TS]

  in key areas or in in something like the [TS]

  iphone were now we have more choice in [TS]

  the iphone but we have a lot of choice [TS]

  in in ways that maybe don't matter as [TS]

  much [TS]

  and one of the big things that like [TS]

  everyone is that it is so so often needs [TS]

  is more battery life and we don't really [TS]

  have a choice that the only choice we [TS]

  have is a crappy choice of bolting on [TS]

  additional battery packs to it was like [TS]

  external which suck because they are [TS]

  they have to have you know all the all [TS]

  the overhead of being an excellent [TS]

  peripheral their own casing their own [TS]

  circuitry their own charging their own [TS]

  port their own cables or connectors like [TS]

  all the all the crap that's overhead it [TS]

  isn't just the additional battery so [TS]

  that is a crappy solution and I hope [TS]

  that is not apples long-term only plan [TS]

  and finally I will close this by there's [TS]

  a great line in our chat room a few [TS]

  minutes ago from chris ltd saying what's [TS]

  the point of having consumer and [TS]

  prolines if the consumer and pro lines [TS]

  are basically the same thing [TS]

  consumer lines get updated haha oh my [TS]

  god that's amazing [TS]

  thanks a lot 43 sponsors this week [TS]

  hover indochino and betterment and we'll [TS]

  see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

  was accidental [TS]

  John research Marco and Casey would [TS]

  because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental and you can find the show [TS]

  know the day EP that and if twitter [TS]

  follow them [TS]

  yes eyl ISS that's Casey list and a [TS]

  co-pay RM Angie Marco Arment and our AC [TS]

  C recuse it [TS]

  so John and I shared a private moment [TS]

  before the show is something that you [TS]

  need to keep private [TS]

  well no now we want to tell the whole [TS]

  world about a private moment we used [TS]

  google duo together is that the thing [TS]

  where people can show obscene pictures [TS]

  to other people who didn't agree to it [TS]

  yep that's the one yes you could choose [TS]

  to do that if you so desired that was [TS]

  the whole idea is that it shows what's [TS]

  on the you know the before you even [TS]

  accept the call you see video from the [TS]

  others i think there was something about [TS]

  that when i was doing it that like only [TS]

  if they're in your contacts already that [TS]

  happens or there somewhere we talked [TS]

  about it was after Google i/o and they [TS]

  demoed the features they didn't remember [TS]

  i said they didn't say anything about [TS]

  the needs to just say sense said of [TS]

  course you can turn his offer of course [TS]

  it only works on X my situations but [TS]

  instead they said nothing and just [TS]

  presented as look isn't this great when [TS]

  you pick it up before you hit the button [TS]

  that says yes except this video call [TS]

  you're already seeing video from them is [TS]

  like no no one thought about it for two [TS]

  seconds that's terrible [TS]

  unless unless there's some kind of [TS]

  limitations and i'm not sure what they [TS]

  are still not sure what service [TS]

  Casey I was calling each other and we [TS]

  don't care yeah but i don't think i saw [TS]

  you before I agree to the call i thought [TS]

  that feature was android only what is it [TS]

  said there was a thing that came up on [TS]

  my screen that I thought well I tapped [TS]

  in like like a typical computers you tap [TS]

  it away before you agree the thing it [TS]

  was like oh [TS]

  keep in mind that you're going to be [TS]

  anybody it was that okay no it was the [TS]

  button was like okay got it now [TS]

  unfortunately try this like just before [TS]

  we came on to get your phone with no [TS]

  it's alright i'll try right now here we [TS]

  go [TS]

  I'm gonna do your little alright so do [TS]

  you want my phone do all my phone to be [TS]

  a lot to be locked to be in the duo app [TS]

  how do you want to do this doesn't [TS]

  matter I video call go to you on the [TS]

  phone okay incoming call from Syracuse [TS]

  is a notification and come okay i do see [TS]

  you see me there but before you hit [TS]

  except god oh god sorry no i did not see [TS]

  before him except i thought i was muted [TS]

  what the hell's a settings [TS]

  knock knock on it that's what I'm [TS]

  talking about now yeah i was gonna be [TS]

  trouble let me tell you don't enjoy it [TS]

  accepts all right that we are you [TS]

  calling me or by calling you you can [TS]

  call me sir [TS]

  all right let me try calling [TS]

  communication smile knocks on alright [TS]

  gotta say that's the thing is saying [TS]

  doing your smile your video and yeah I [TS]

  see you right now and i have not had [TS]

  except oh then i might get a little [TS]

  decline i can hit decline or accept i'm [TS]

  going to decline you [TS]

  well i will then we go the other way one [TS]

  more time I want to see this now [TS]

  yeah so the future all exist here we go [TS]

  this is super into interesting [TS]

  ok so i can see you right now you can't [TS]

  see me nope [TS]

  how interesting I'm declining you [TS]

  because now being so this is the exact [TS]

  feature we were talking about the fact [TS]

  that my mistake my mistake before casey [TS]

  had decided whether you want to accept [TS]

  this call he's forced to see me and [TS]

  they're that's the the feature is called [TS]

  knocking I think if you turn that [TS]

  setting off but would you know anyway i [TS]

  mostly want to use it just to see how [TS]

  they compare to facetime because that's [TS]

  the roll this thing it's basically [TS]

  cross-platform facetime if you can't do [TS]

  face time with your relatives because [TS]

  they all have android phones because you [TS]

  have an android phone and they have [TS]

  iphones or whatever if everybody gets [TS]

  google duo then you can do essentially [TS]

  the same stuff as space-time across [TS]

  platforms that worrying about getting [TS]

  everyone in your family to use iPhones [TS]

  are getting everyone in your family to [TS]

  use android or whatever the predecessor [TS]

  up to this was if there was one so i [TS]

  think that's good [TS]

  the brief time that we used it the one [TS]

  feature that was annoying both of us was [TS]

  that the little window that shows you [TS]

  like [TS]

  show yourself like this is what the [TS]

  other person is seeing right now it is [TS]

  cropped to a circle which is infuriating [TS]

  because of all the things were showing [TS]

  each other i was trying to show him like [TS]

  my files box in the basement you're [TS]

  comparing our BIOS boxes this is the [TS]

  Savannah Georgia [TS]

  anyway I couldn't tell I couldn't tell [TS]

  the whole files box was in the frame [TS]

  because I had I was holding my phone in [TS]

  portrait orientation because that's [TS]

  basically the orientation of the files [TS]

  box and I want to get the whole thing in [TS]

  the shot but because the preview is [TS]

  circular I could never tell if it was [TS]

  entirely in the frame that you can tap [TS]

  the circle which switches it and now all [TS]

  of a sudden the the video i'm sending [TS]

  takes up my whole phone and Casey's [TS]

  video is in the tiny little circle and [TS]

  that helps me frame things but it's not [TS]

  really improvement now he's in a little [TS]

  circle and I want to see him so I feel [TS]

  like this is a softball [TS]

  them make the preview of the video the [TS]

  other person is seen the same aspect [TS]

  ratio and like show the full image so i [TS]

  know what the the frame batteries are [TS]

  because the circles like I was looking [TS]

  through a little porthole and you [TS]

  currently trying to like make sure he [TS]

  was seeing the whole thing but other [TS]

  than that the video quality look good we [TS]

  didn't have any disconnections at work [TS]

  find the little ringtone you kind of [TS]

  hurt over microphone depending on how [TS]

  much marco and it's out [TS]

  sounds nice and pleasant so I mostly [TS]

  good duo thumbs up except for the [TS]

  knockout feature being on by default and [TS]

  possibly existing at all and the [TS]

  circular profit [TS]

  I didn't think it was won by default i [TS]

  thought i had to turn it on maybe i'm [TS]

  wrong about that but i thought yeah i [TS]

  think maybe on first launched it says [TS]

  that little like I said the thing that I [TS]

  swept away without even looking at it [TS]

  the thing I hit up was like okay got it [TS]

  i think it was telling you about knock [TS]

  knock just so you're aware it's not [TS]

  connecting is on i think the only option [TS]

  was ok got it but I can't go through the [TS]

  first launch will do i what i saw was [TS]

  what you saw because i had only received [TS]

  a call I'd not placed one and it was [TS]

  just telling you hey right now you're [TS]

  actually visible so you know don't do [TS]

  anything stupid but I had thought in [TS]

  settings where there is absolutely a [TS]

  switch to flip for knock knock on or off [TS]

  I thought I'd expressly going in there [TS]

  and turned it on but if you don't [TS]

  remember doing that perhaps i'm [TS]

  remembering right now I don't I [TS]

  definitely didn't do that is first time [TS]

  actually we should see so turn knock [TS]

  knock off on your end and then i'm going [TS]

  to call you one more time because i [TS]

  think the setting applies to your end [TS]

  we're going home [TS]

  I mean it's only yeah that's evidence [TS]

  knock knock don't you wish you hadn't [TS]

  told Margo I'm so upset that i missed [TS]

  this [TS]

  ok i am prepared for you to knock on me [TS]

  what did you just didn't listen to [TS]

  Instagram story when you introduced I [TS]

  think mr. I'm story that the the [TS]

  screenshot of your windows thing that [TS]

  booting yeah okay i do i'm getting an [TS]

  incoming video call i see nothing I just [TS]

  see a screen [TS]

  yeah so that so basically you're [TS]

  controlling and not what you said but [TS]

  what you receive yeah okay so wait so [TS]

  with me having knock knock off i'm now [TS]

  going to call you can you see me at this [TS]

  point I'm twisting my phone back and [TS]

  forth just to show you that something is [TS]

  moving [TS]

  no and in fact the dish was a blank [TS]

  screen like yeah that's basically what I [TS]

  saw [TS]

  so apparently if either of us was [TS]

  knocked off then don't have it doesn't [TS]

  happen yeah so we just need to have that [TS]

  off by default or mean make people more [TS]

  aware of their first launcher anyway who [TS]

  knows I've had regular people won't mind [TS]

  but it just seems like you won't mind [TS]

  until the first time you do mind and [TS]

  then you like a better [TS]

  did you know did it quiz you after the [TS]

  fact as to whether or not the call was [TS]

  good did you notice that I did not kiss [TS]

  me no quizzes [TS]

  oh interesting i got on mine order to [TS]

  say one second i took a screenshot of it [TS]

  this is a terrible screenshot that I [TS]

  won't be able to put the show notes cuz [TS]

  I look like an idiot but how the call [TS]

  quality skip unhappy face bad or happy [TS]

  face good actually i'll take it I'll [TS]

  crop just that little dialogue but that [TS]

  show notes and I skip this entire topic [TS]

  no I put on a happy face on it if you'd [TS]

  like or you could do you know what you [TS]

  should do is also i will put this this [TS]

  image in the show notes and you can just [TS]

  like sketch red circle the bad one [TS]

  how about that is that what that means [TS]

  but it was able to pinpoint now forget [TS]

  we've been using we've been talking [TS]

  about this for a minute and a half we [TS]

  talked about photography for 20 minutes [TS]

  more than that and you're already [TS]

  getting grumbly he doesn't have [TS]

  installed should have been stolen right [TS]

  now you're gonna get like us it's so far [TS]

  you you have not given a ringing [TS]

  endorsement in my opinion do you have [TS]

  family that doesn't have iphones that [TS]

  you would like to face time with no see [TS]

  that's the thing that we do you have as [TS]

  I've talked about many times in the past [TS]

  my whole family is all iOS errands whole [TS]

  family except aaron is all android and [TS]

  there have been times that we would [TS]

  really like to video chat with Aaron's [TS]

  mom or actually my grandmother has a [TS]

  some sort of android phone that's I [TS]

  believe expressly designed for senior [TS]

  citizens so there's I think had the [TS]

  whatever physical buttons are on their [TS]

  very large and and I think that it's [TS]

  it's been sent over simplified and all [TS]

  the fonts are gigantic by default [TS]

  anyway uh next time I'm around her I [TS]

  hope I will be able to put [TS]

  duo on her phone even those ancient and [TS]

  then we would be able to video chat with [TS]

  her it's not a jitterbug but it's along [TS]

  those lines just get an ipad I've [TS]

  thought about it but I don't know it's [TS]

  just one more thing for her manage sorry [TS]

  I so i'm i'm excited about this i [TS]

  completely agree with John that the [TS]

  circular little porthole into yourself [TS]

  is freaking terrible i do like that you [TS]

  can tap into your own image and bring it [TS]

  up full screen like John it said because [TS]

  there's been times I've wanted to do [TS]

  that facetime and I can't it handled [TS]

  rotation just like FaceTime does which [TS]

  is a good thing that's a compliment and [TS]

  the video quality was great [TS]

  dials instantly when I was [TS]

  video-chatting with John on the show [TS]

  moments ago it seemed like there was [TS]

  very very low latency and if all good my [TS]

  book I i approve but i would certainly [TS]

  use facetime by as my default modus [TS]

  operandi and then if for some reason i [TS]

  need to video shows an Android user then [TS]

  that's what do I was four I just get [TS]

  different friends know it's only a [TS]

  different family too and I try to keep [TS]

  you can you can pick your nose you can [TS]

  become less pounds now you're gonna keep [TS]

  my phone because I keep all sorts of [TS]

  apps on iphone i really do through and [TS]

  clean stuff out but that I'll probably [TS]

  keep it cool [TS]