247: You Never Want the Egg
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Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 247.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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Hover, Luna Display, FreshBooks, and Squarespace.
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My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined by Myke Hurley.
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- Hey buddy, doing all right?
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Have you recovered from the trip?
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Is this how you're going to talk the whole time?
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- And we are also joined by Federico Vittucci.
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- Hello, hello, coming to you from the beach house
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while also recovering from WWDC sickness.
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- I would prefer to recover the way you recover.
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- At the beach?
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- Yeah, I'm recovering from my office,
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regular office, mega office at home.
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I would prefer to recover at the beach, I think.
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I need to more accurately plan my summer next year
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so I can try and live the life that you live.
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- I'm moving to your beach house.
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So see you there.
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Okay, it'll be an Airbnb by next year.
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So we'll see if bookings are available or not.
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- So you got sick on the trip or after the trip.
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So during the trip,
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so you could say when you think about it.
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- You picked up a WW to seize.
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- Federico was trying to blame the air conditioning.
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- No, it was the air conditioning.
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No, being cold doesn't make you sick. Germs make you sick.
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Federico, Federico, we're in the same room.
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Extreme cold makes you sick.
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Why am I not sick?
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Okay, so you're trying to say that if it's like, if it's December and it's minus five degree outside
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and you walk without a t-shirt on...
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Federico, Federico, that was not the situation in our hotel room.
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No, I'm just saying that my body is not used to 16 or 17 degrees Celsius in a room.
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Like, I live in a constant 20 degrees, and that is cold.
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Like, in December, if you just walk outside and you're not properly dressed,
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like, you're gonna get sick, right? Because it's too cold.
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That's just a normal reaction.
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Like, do all Italians get sick if it's too cold?
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Like, I don't understand this.
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We've been talking about this for years, I don't understand.
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Possibly been the fact that you were interacting with hundreds and thousands of people.
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Like, maybe that was the reason that you got sick.
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What I'm saying is that during the day, I would get better, then I would go to sleep
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and wake up again with a sore throat.
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Because I had the cold air pointed directly at me.
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It wasn't directly at you.
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It wasn't directly at you.
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I could feel the breeze on my neck.
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- On your neck? - As I was sleeping in a...
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- Yes. - Well.
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- If you want to explain how diseases work,
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you can find Federico on Twitter.
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- Cold weather can make you sick.
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- Okay, look, we have a lot of things to talk about,
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so I'm just gonna move us on.
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- Why don't you walk outside in shorts
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and t-shirts in December, Steven, and see what happens.
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- See what happens to you.
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- Okay, so we have a bunch of follow out this week.
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Just kind of wrapping up stuff from last week.
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Federico, you posted your Appsteries interview
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with Craig Federighi and I know I said this in person,
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but I'll say it again, you did an amazing job with that.
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Congratulations on a job well done.
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- Thank you, thank you.
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Maybe he got me sick.
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- See? - Maybe.
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- You got the Craig Federighis.
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Nope, nope, bailed, I bailed on it.
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- Oh my God. - Leave me alone.
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I bailed on it, I'm tired.
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- Oh my god, well thank you Steven, I appreciate it.
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Thank you. - I thought I would have
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the worst pun of the show, but then Myke took that away
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from me four minutes in.
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- We have a lot of time left to pun up a storm.
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- Yes, so if you haven't listened to that episode
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of App Stories, you should go do it.
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It's really, really good.
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Also here on Relay, both Upgrade and Parallel
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have published interviews with various Apple people.
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So on Upgrade, Jason spoke with Wylie Hodges
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Josh Shafer about Swift UI, which I think Jason did a really good job at talking about
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what's a pretty complicated like developer topic and making it approachable to those
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of us who aren't developers.
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That was really cool.
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And then on parallel, Shelley spoke with Apple's director of global accessibility policy and
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initiatives that is quite the title.
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Her name is mouthful it is but Sarah.
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Oh, I should have looked at this before I tried it.
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You can do it.
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You can hurt hurling.
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- Herling Jerr. - Yeah, I love that.
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- Really great topic about,
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a really great discussion about accessibility
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and what Apple's doing there,
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continuing to push the ball forward.
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So go add those to your post WWDC listening.
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I for one am just super proud of the work Relay
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and others did at WWDC covering it from the podcast angle.
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It was a good year for podcasts at WWDC.
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- Yeah, I do like this new strategy of Apple
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sort of opening up a little more
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to reach specific audiences.
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using podcasts. I think that's a great idea. I really hope this is not a one-off.
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Not just personally speaking, but in general, I think reaching out to specific segments
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of the Apple community, whether it's Mac power users or folks who are interested in iPad
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or accessibility or all kind -- like, it's such a massive company at this point. And
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you can -- just by looking at the software releases that were announced at WWDC, you
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see how they all cater to a different type of Apple customer. And so I think it's definitely
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the right idea to go out to specific podcasts or specific websites and trying to be a little
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more open. I just hopefully next year they will have an even better podcast studio environment
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You don't like cafeteria sounds?
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Those were not cafeteria sounds.
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So maybe loading dock sounds on a podcast should be a new genre.
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Maybe somebody should try that, but maybe next year it will be a little quieter environment.
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But overall, it was a pretty awesome week for independent podcasting, and I feel this
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is a thing that should continue, because having that kind of recognition of the medium, I
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think it's important for podcasters, I think it's important for listeners, and I think
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a program for Apple because they can reach out to the fans and to the audience that's
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interested in a specific topic.
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A direct and engaged audience.
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You kind of can't ask for more than that.
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Yes, exactly.
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Also, we'll have links in the show notes to a couple of blog posts that have popped
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up post WWDC.
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So we have one by our friend David Smith about the themes that he saw at WWDC and maybe where
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Apple is going with certain things.
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And then Marco Arment wrote one about Apple listening to its customers in particular,
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centered around the Mac, both really good posts that we unfortunately don't have time
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to get into today.
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But I want to point you in that direction, that those are well with a read at this point,
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thus endeth WWDC follow out.
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We do have one tiny topic and that is my giant MacBook Pro.
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15 inch big boy.
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So we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.
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I picked up the new eight core model before the trip. And I've got to say it, it totally
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won me over traveling with it, it is big to actually travel with, you know, you're not
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going to get much editing done on an airplane. But I was really impressed with the performance
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and the balance of the machine. So I was alert, a little worried that hey, in an eight core
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MacBook Pro, like, it's just going to be hot and unruly like the whole time. And it's kind
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of like a sleeper in the sense that it, you know, it behaves in his mild mannered when
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you're just sort of, you know, goofing off on slack and email and Twitter and stuff.
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But when you put your foot down in something like logic, or, you know, making an mp3 and
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forecast, it sort of comes alive and all that power becomes available to you. And I've been
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really impressed with it. You know, the battery life is not phenomenal. I don't I'm not really
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one to run like, formal battery tests, but I can tell you when it's under load, it's
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it's gonna hit the battery pretty hard.
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In just day to day use,
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it's like a perfectly tame, normal laptop
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and I'm really happy with it and it's gonna stick around.
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- Interesting.
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I feel like there's some kind of like,
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thought there's something going on here.
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I feel like you're trying to lay the seeds for something.
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It's just like this laptop's definitely not going anywhere.
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- Well I sold the other one.
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- Oh, you have?
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Oh great. - I have, yep.
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I can't say to who, but it was Kyle's the Grey.
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He's bought two laptops from me now in four years.
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That's interesting.
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So where's the catch, Steven?
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Yeah, this is what I mean. There's something, right? Like it feels like there's something?
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No there's not. It's a great laptop, I'm happy with it.
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Isn't it butt?
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But I'm using the Mac Pro instead now.
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The trash can won me over.
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I like to roll it around.
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It's perfectly portable.
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- Yeah, that's right.
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I sold the iMac Pro and I'm using the trash can instead.
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- So, hold on.
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You just bought a computer and you liked it?
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And that's it?
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- Yeah, see, it doesn't seem right, does it?
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There's gotta be some catch.
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- Are you okay?
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- I'm not the one who's sick.
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Things are good.
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It's nice and warm in here.
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Can we move on?
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That's all there is.
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I like this laptop a lot.
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I think Apple did a good job on it.
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- Everybody, mark this day.
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Mark this day. - Not convinced.
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- June 12th, 2019. - Wednesday, June 12th.
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- Steven says-- - Something happened.
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- His computer's fine, right?
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Everyone pay attention to that.
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- You can move on now.
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- Thank you.
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and relay FM. So we thought today that we would walk through Apple's platforms and talk about
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the changes that we're most excited about coming. This is, you know, a week later from WBC, the dust
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has settled, we've all done a lot more reading and preparation and kind of know more in depth
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what's going on. So we're going to spend this episode kind of going platform by platform,
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talking about those things and we're going to start with tvos and mike i believe you have
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have spent some time reading about tvos you're the tvos guy now i'm not i think what happened was
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i got to picking things late this week so i have tvos and watchos a platform that didn't really get
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a lot done to it and then one I don't use. But I've done some reading, so I can provide you what
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I'm going to do and we'll talk about everything. I don't think we're going to talk about everything.
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The stuff I think interests us the most are kind of high-level stuff.
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Maybe though, maybe you should be the tvOS guy.
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Maybe I should, right? Maybe that could be what people know me for. I was like, "Oh,
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that's the tvOS guy." Oh yeah, like few people that I've met with DC.
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C actually came up to me without even saying hello or my name is, you know, Frank or something.
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They would just stare at me and then say, yeah, the iPad guy.
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>> So I want to be that, but for tvOS. >> But for tvOS.
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>> So I will start the dawning of this new era by telling you about multi-user support,
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which is I think really all of these things are I think of equal importance, the three
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things that I'm going to talk about and it just kind of depends on your own personal
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circumstances I think how you would rank them. But the multi-user support effectively is
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like Netflix, right? So when you open Netflix and you choose from which person it is, right?
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Like is it you? Is it your partner? Is it your child? It's like that. So this way you
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won't get a bunch of like bad recommendations. Like you won't get a lot of kids TV in your
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recommendations, right? So you can have like a specific kids page. And as well,
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Apple has that new like kids area as well, which is even better for this stuff to
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kind of help that all kind of move together.
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You know your kids stumbling across the handmaid's tail or something, right?
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Like have some separation.
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Yeah. Yeah, it goes both ways. You access this via a new control center view.
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I'm not sure how you get to the control center yet. I haven't actually worked that out.
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I really hope, because it would be terrible, that you swipe down from the top right hand corner of
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the Siri remote because that's what I hope is the action. Oh no, don't give him ideas! Please don't
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do that, Apple! I do like that you can quickly switch between profiles rather than having to
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quit, right? Like going out to a home screen or turning it off and on again, that kind of thing.
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It's kind of well thought out. They've also put AirPlay-like controls for choosing audio outputs
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there which I think is really good so you can make like a master view rather than having to like go
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into settings to get to connect to your AirPods or whatever so I think that's really good and you can
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have different photos and stuff with the icons and you keep your own history so that's multi-user
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support on tvOS. I think game controllers is of an equal importance but it depends on where you're
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coming from so we spoke about this a little bit last time but the ability to hook up an Xbox or
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PS4 controller to your Apple TV. It's really great. It's going to be fantastic for Apple
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Arcade. This feels like something that I'm expecting Apple kind of had to do if they
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wanted to make tvOS an actual really good destination for Apple Arcade games. So I'm
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pleased that they did this. And also this makes, for me, it makes it way more likely
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that I would use the Apple TV to play Apple Arcade games because I could hook up my Xbox
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or PS4 controller. So a question for you. I know that the DualShock 4 works no
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matter which model you have, but Apple said that because these controllers
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require Bluetooth and so they said only the Xbox One S controller is that is
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that the only one of the Xbox One controllers that has Bluetooth built-in
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or will my Xbox One X controller work? Or will the Xbox One Elite controller work? Or
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do I need the One S controller?
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I do not know why they specifically stated the One S controller, because the Elite controller
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has Bluetooth. Right? Like, it is a Bluetooth controller. My only thinking is that Apple
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just went for the lowest common denominator because they can't say all Xbox controllers,
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potentially, right? Because it might not work with like Xbox 360 controllers.
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But I would expect that anything that works with an Xbox One and above would work. But I honestly,
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I have not been able to find anything that would tell me otherwise. Like, I can't find anything
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that can confirm to me exactly what game controllers can be used.
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Got it. OK. Because I should look at.
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Yeah, I mean, if anybody knows, I would love to know.
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But I have I have the standard one X controller and the elite controller.
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I know that Microsoft just announced the elite two controller that's coming up.
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I think it's September anyway in the fall.
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So I found a press release
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which just says Xbox wireless controller with Bluetooth.
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OK, so that's better.
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So I genuinely think that on stage
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they just decided to just brand the best they could. Right.
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Like if you start with Xbox one S controllers
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and then move on from there. Right.
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So I think that was kind of where they went with it.
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But I will probably go with PlayStation
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just because that's what I have in the living room.
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the my elite controller I just use with my PC.
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But I love both of those controllers.
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They're way better.
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And I like that I continue to find it super weird that the pro controller
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doesn't work and all that just in general, they haven't made it
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for basically any Bluetooth controller to work.
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It seems interesting to me that they have very specifically chosen these two,
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but they have chosen probably the two most frequent. Right.
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Because the pro controller like there are a lot of Nintendo switches.
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They're not going to be as many pro controllers.
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and it would be super weird to try and use a Joy-Con with the Apple TV.
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That would be very peculiar.
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Would that be worse than the Siri remote?
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Probably. Probably. Alex in the chat says it looks like you have to hold down the TV
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or menu button to bring up Control Center. That is less exciting than swiping down from
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the top right hand corner of the swipey thing, the touchpad. But game controllers is good
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and the underwater screensavers. So last year they went to space, this time they went into
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the deep sea. I love the screen savers. It's one of the best reasons to own an Apple TV.
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So I'm pleased that they're adding more of them. It genuinely is. They're so beautiful.
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They're really cool. So I'm excited about more varied instances. I saw one the other day. I was
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watching my Apple TV and it was one of the space ones. I'd never seen this before, but there was
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like a thunderstorm. And so you could see all this lightning and a cloud. Oh, it looked really good.
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it looked really cool. Like you just see all these like flashes in these clouds from one of the space
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ones. It is fun like that I see these things every single day and I still see new stuff in them.
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Yeah, well, they do push out new ones, I think from time to time. But okay, yeah,
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they look great. And I mean, very often like our TV is just on. And you know, one of the kids left
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it on whatever. So the Apple TV goes to that screensaver and is really nice. And you know,
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I got what I wanted last year was the ability to see the location because
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It's the best thing. You like play the guessing game and now I think you can touch the remote
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and it or slide or something and it you tap it and it just pops up and tells you and that's
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and it shows you it's a great feature. So yeah, that also that all looks awesome. And you know,
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tvOS is not necessarily Apple's most exciting platform, but one that like I'm impressed how
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far it's come. I think it's a pretty mature platform at this point. I don't think that
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there is a lot more that they can or should do to the Apple TV. Like really the focus now should be
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make the best deals and content to get more content that you can. That is the focus of the Apple TV.
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Really they should be treating Apple TV like they treat Apple Music, right? Like they don't spend
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lots of time updating the Apple Music app with new functionality every year, right?
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After its third redesign they finally got it right.
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Well, but they're doing the same thing with tvOS. They're continuing to redesign it.
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They've even made some changes just visually from how the new TV app works. So it's going to look
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slightly different. Not a lot, but there's just some like visual polish that they've put into the
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new tvOS version. But I think that really what they should be focusing on is the content because
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that's the most important thing because it turns out, turns out everyone, that the future of TV
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was not apps. The future of TV is original content. Apple know that and they need to focus on that.
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That was what, 2015 or 2016? That wasn't that long ago.
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Yeah, it was a...
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And that's coming from the TV OS guy, so you know it's true.
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Yeah, you know me, everyone knows me, I'm the TV OS guy.
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But I mean seriously, now that they have the streaming service coming out, they have game
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controller support with actual game controllers. They should really focus on the TV side, on
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actually getting the originals started. And I want to see what Apple Arcade is going to
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look like. We still don't know what the... what's that? A hundred games at launch? We
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don't know exactly what games those will be and how they will play, what they will look
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like. And I really feel like getting developers to make exclusive content for Apple Arcade
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could be another idea to sort of propel the Apple TV platform forward. It's a little strange
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message to say you now have Apple Arcade and all these exclusive games and the best way
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to play them is with a PlayStation controller, but also it's kind of like facing reality,
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right? Nobody, and nobody is a figure of speech, but I mean in the context of people who care
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about video games, your first thought is not, "Oh, I should really buy an Apple TV." No,
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your first thought is, "I should probably buy a PlayStation or an Nintendo Switch." And
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And then if you also have an Apple TV, maybe you're like, well, you know, there's actually
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a bunch of games here too, maybe I can actually play some games.
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Which is why I'm surprised by the lack of Switch Pro Controller support.
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That should also be a thing.
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It feels like they should have done all three of them or none of them.
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It just seems a peculiar omission.
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I find it very weird.
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But it is what it is.
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They could add it, right?
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Like it's all just Bluetooth, right?
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Like it's not going to be a million miles away to add it.
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I've had a vision of the Apple Arcade interface.
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If we were still in the iOS 6 era, it would be like walking into an arcade and there'd
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be rows of cabinets and you'd have to walk around them and then pick the one you wanted
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by clicking a button that looked like a quarter.
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Apple's gonna create a VR headset for Apple Arcade that you have to put on.
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Walk over to the cabinet.
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Some people would say that that will look beautiful.
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Some people today would actually still like that.
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So be careful what you wish for Steven.
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You just put coins into your Apple TV.
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That's how it works.
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Let's talk about my second favorite platform, WatchOS.
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We'll talk about WatchOS 6.
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I'm the WatchOS guy now.
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The part-time WatchOS guy.
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Full-time TV, part-time watch.
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Yes, that's it.
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Yeah, sorry.
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Watch faces.
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We've heard about all of the watch faces by now, but Apple introduced a variety of new
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I think having seen lots of images and watches in use I think I've really warmed to the California
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face because it can be so visually customized so like a lot of the stuff that we heard before was
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like you could choose it was like oh it was a mixture between like Arabic and Roman numerals
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but you can actually customize what you want the numerals to be on the face so you can choose all
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or half or one or the other. So there's a little bit more flexibility in that as well
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as being able to change some of the colours. And I also like that you can, even with some
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of the watch faces that are intended to be more visually striking this time, they can
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be customised with complications. I haven't seen any watch face that can't have complications
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on it, or at least of the ones that are more visual, like the gradient one for example,
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which I feel like previously it would have just been,
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well, no, it's just the gradient face, that's all it is.
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But now you can shrink the gradient
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from a square into a circle
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and put some of those corner complications on it.
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So that's nice.
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I didn't notice this, but when I was reading the,
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I didn't even really think about it,
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but I was reading Ryan's overview on Mac stories.
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And I, oh, it was Alex, sorry, it was Alex's overview.
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See, I checked the byline.
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I've checked it, I've checked it, and it was Alex.
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Alex's overview on Mac stories and the Siri face wasn't mentioned, isn't mentioned,
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doesn't seem to have had any changes. It felt like Apple were really pushing on that
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and have now stopped.
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Yeah, that was a good point. I also read that story.
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It felt like that the Siri face was like, "Oh, this is another attempt at building a
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user interface for this device."
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Yeah, I was thinking about this, but from a different perspective a few days ago of
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So I bought Sylvia two watch bands in America, and she really likes them, but I was looking
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at them after she tried them on, and I thought, "It's been a while since I saw a completely
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new watch band design from Apple."
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And it feels like, especially in the first year of the watch, they were trying a bunch
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of different things, like the Milanese and the stainless steel bracelet and all of these
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leather designs and now we've basically been stuck, I mean, aside from the Hermes collection,
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we basically had the same watch bands for a while now. And so I thought maybe this is
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another symptom of people just using Apple watches for the basic stuff like, and by basic
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I don't mean that there are simple features, but just features that everybody thinks are
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obvious at this point, so notifications and fitness. And so maybe from that perspective
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it's reflected in the software, so lack of updates to the Siri face, and also in the
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accessories, because maybe most people are just fine with the sport band and the Nike
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loop whatever it's called band, which I think is fine, because that's what people are using
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the Apple Watch for.
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I guess it's focusing on what is important.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe.
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Yeah, could be.
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Apple did add a selection of new apps.
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One is Voice Memos, which is one of those ones where I feel like I can't believe that
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this wasn't always a thing because even just as a case of like making you feel
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like you have a future feeling device which Apple like to do being able to
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record a memo into your watch is very like James Bondi you know so like they
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added stuff like walkie-talkie when really I would say that voice memos
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would be as cool and more useful than the walkie-talkie but that's coming a
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calculator including tip functionalities you can calculate tips pcalc does this
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and you can do that if you want to, there are third-party apps that do it, but Apple's
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adding their own. They added the for health stuff, they added a cycle tracking app and
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also the noise app and it was fun to see the noise app kind of in use last week. So Underscore
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David Smith had the better on one of the many watches that he was wearing and it was interesting
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to see like when I was around him when the noise complication would alert him, right?
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be like, oh, this, the environment that you're in is too noisy. So like one was in like,
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walking through the lobby at the hotel where they had this loud music playing. Another,
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which was my favorite instance is I was hanging out with him and a few friends and we were
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just like in a quiet environment. And Casey Eliss arrived and he said hello to everyone
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and it set off Underscore's watch saying that the environment was too loud, which I thought
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was just amazing that the Apple Watch is turning against Casey and so now
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everyone's just gonna be like in a situation where oh it's too loud Casey's
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here so Casey's gonna have to whisper now the Apple Watch is is making him out
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to be a big loud person so I do think that that decibel thing is interesting
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mm-hmm but I bet it's gonna go off a lot and that that seems like a frustrating
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thing maybe. The App Store is on the Apple Watch now. I think the key thing here is really
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trying to work out who this is going to be useful for. Like, are people going to download
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apps on their watch that often? Like, are people actually downloading apps, third party
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apps to the watch anyway? Like, I don't even know if that's a thing or like, are they being
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automatically downloaded, right, to people's watches? Like, are people trying to get it?
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It's not "are they downloading them?" but "does Apple want them to download that?"
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Yeah, and I mean, by putting an app store on it you would seem to think that yes, they
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would like that.
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So, okay, so I will bring forth a theory that I saw on Twitter today from my good Italian
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friend, Diago Petrucci, who was actually at WWDC with this team.
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I will find a link to the tweet.
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So the theory was the following, and I really want to hear what you guys think.
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He said something along the lines of, "I wonder if Apple pushing watch independence with the
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App Store and SwiftUI is part of a bigger plan to get Android users to actually use
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the Apple Watch on its own, appreciate the Apple Watch, and eventually switch back to
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iPhone, iPad, whatever."
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Like down the line.
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Because the Apple Watch is the only thing that is competitive in that market.
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It seems that Google Wear watches never really took off and the Apple Watch dominates that
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market space.
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So if they were to be able to create this independent device that then Android users
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could use it would be great.
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But how, I guess it's just about making it completely independent right?
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because I'm thinking like what would you do with the health data?
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Well, the health data just lives on the watch.
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That's where it lives and you don't, it doesn't go anywhere else.
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It's not a wild thing.
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I mean, I think that there are many reasons that Apple might want
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the Apple Watch to be independent,
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but this could be one of them.
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Yeah, sort of like the iPod many years ago.
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Maybe we're I mean, of course, we're not there yet.
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you still need to pair an Apple Watch with an iPhone and all of that.
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But full independence, maybe next year, maybe in a couple of years,
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so that you can actually go to a store, buy an Apple Watch and it works on its own.
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You don't need a master device.
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That could be an easier sell for people who don't have an iPhone
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and just want to buy an Apple Watch.
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But you like it so much, then maybe eventually you do get an iPhone
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or you do get an iPad or a Mac, if those will still be around. So.
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Yeah, could be.
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Anyway, so new apps, App Store.
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What else? What else is new, Michael?
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Well, the other thing with the App Store that is interesting to me, that is more
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interesting, I guess, is probably the more important part is you don't need to have
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companion apps anymore downloaded on a phone.
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You can have a watch app that just lives on the watch.
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That's all. That's its only place.
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So I think that that is a good thing because you can you know, there are a lot of
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which are really intended to be watch apps,
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but then they have to have some weird iPhone app
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and that can go away now, which is really cool.
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And then, you know, we were talking about the fact
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that it's a fitness device primarily.
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One of the big things that they added to activity,
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right, on the watch, and it goes over to the iPhone 2,
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is a kind of trend. It's called activity trends.
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It's like a three-month rolling comparison of your data
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compared to the previous year.
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So it shows you day by day over a three-month period,
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how am I doing, compared to last year as well.
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It tracks a bunch of metrics around health and fitness to measure how you're performing.
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It includes the rings and data from your workout and stuff that it can sense from the heart
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readers and stuff like that.
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And then the watch will present you with coaching notifications based on the data.
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So you're doing really good or you're not doing so good, this is where you're not doing
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so good, this might be why, this is how you can fix it, that kind of stuff.
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So really this is only the type of thing that can exist once the watch has been around for
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a while because they couldn't have launched a activity trends because there was no data before
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but now apple are in a position where they've been able to suck in so much data onto people's
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devices that they can start presenting it in these new ways which is really great and if they're able
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to take a look at that stuff and provide helpful and actionable feedback to people to help them
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with their health and fitness that seems like a good thing it seems like a good reason to have
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this device strapped to all the time, right? Like if it's sensing all this stuff from you all the
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time anyway, it's great to be able to have it presented to you in ways that are varying use.
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All right, let's talk about the Mac.
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And I think there's no debate just as Myke is known internationally as the TV OS guy.
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I think I've solidified myself as the Mac guy on this show.
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There any complaints about that?
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Federico, you want to swipe in here and talk about Catalina?
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Well, yeah, sure.
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I can talk about Catalina.
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So Carolina is the new release of Mac OS. It has apps. Apps are new. Apps are good.
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Apps are good. People like apps. And so the apps that you get on Carolina are really good
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apps because the same company...
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The future of the Mac is apps.
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Get this. The same company that makes the operating system makes the apps. So you know
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they're good.
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I get this. Get this.
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Oh, that's good.
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Anything else?
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more about Catalina? Can you tell me more? Not only that, but like the company that makes
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the operating system and the apps also makes the computers. Like, mind blowing. I know,
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right? That feels like some kind of end-to-end solution. Yeah, yeah. So apps on Catalina
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are full screen apps. They take advantage of the screen. They work with the mouse. You
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can select elements and click. There's a finder. Finder is good. You can listen to podcasts.
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are made by a guy named Marco. He makes all the podcasts. There's a feature called Motorbike
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that lets you stream your apps to other apps. This sounds really good. I'm really pleased
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that you were here for this. Cool. So we just move right on. So that's Carolina. We're really
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excited to see what you're gonna do with it. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I don't know how I could
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top that, but can I fill in a couple details that you glossed over? Would that be okay?
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Sure. If you really need to. Yeah. So there are new apps in Catalina. We have...
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We knew that! Federico told us that. We have reminders, music and podcasts and TV. So reminders,
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It's gotten the notes treatment in my time with Catalina I'm running it on a 12 inch
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MacBook so I don't know if the OS is slow or for just the computer it's on not the cleanest
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beta test I've ever done but reminders looks really promising you can do you know if reminders
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is a catalyst app or a regular Mac app.
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It is a regular Mac app.
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Can we have a sidebar?
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Briefly because you brought to mind something that's been bugging me.
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could have a sidecar.
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I think we needed to talk about catalyst apps a little bit differently. You didn't use the
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term but the term I've heard in other shows and people talking on Twitter and blog posts
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and stuff. Contrast catalyst apps with native Mac apps. And that's just wrong. These are
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yeah native Mac apps. If you look at the underlying frameworks, the way that they work, they are
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just as native as app kit apps. Now the difference is it fine for me to say regular I think I
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said regular I feel like that because I don't really want to say app kit. I would say maybe
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traditional Mac apps traditional old. You can say that to you boring. If you want to
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talk about app kit you can find Myke on Twitter. So vintage. Oh, wow. That's good. Classic.
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Oh, that's wrong.
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Yeah, that's too far.
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So Reminders is an App Kit app.
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And most of the new stuff is because, look,
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Catalyst and SwiftUI are new this year.
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The rest of Apple didn't know about this stuff
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until recently.
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So Reminders, I think, has been in the works for a long time.
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And I've got to say, I'm playing with it now.
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It's kind of broken in the beta.
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There's a sort menu item, because I
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want to sort things by due date.
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And there's nothing in the submenu.
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Like it just says view sort and then there's nothing in there.
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So no, maybe that's just telling you what you need to know.
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You can't sort by anything.
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It's taunting me.
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I filed a feedback report.
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Don't worry.
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But, uh, yeah, I did the same last night.
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People do not Steve.
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I assume you filed it on the Mac.
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I did in the new feedback app, which, which is great.
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And I did for iOS.
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So, so reminders feels really full featured.
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So it has a lot of things that you find in other task managers.
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You can have nested lists, you can have really powerful reminders, repeating tasks that even
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have a feature that I saw it as like, Oh, that's sort of like the opposite of what things
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So with things, items that are past do get stuck in your today view.
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And in reminders on the Mac, you can say I want that to happen or I want you to preserve
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the original due date.
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So some nice touches.
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I think that it is going to be really powerful when they're done with it.
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Clearly, it's it's not finished.
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I'm so excited about it.
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I think I could move to it from Todoist pretty easily.
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Can you imagine if we were all just using reminders in like six months?
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Well, if you had told us five years ago we'd all be using notes, I wouldn't have believed
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No, exactly.
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So I'm so excited.
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I can't wait.
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I cannot wait to do it.
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Like I really, I want to use reminders so bad.
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Like I've been looking at the screenshots on the website and like you can attach images
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to a reminder.
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I never thought I needed to do that, but like, now I want to do it.
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Like that just seems like a really nice thing to be able to do.
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Like I could attach a screenshot to a reminder.
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That is feels like a thing I would do a lot, right?
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Like rather because there have been times where I've like uploaded an image to like
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dropler and then put a URL and a note like it's just like, oh, it sucks.
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And the sub lists, it's just like a nice thing that it has.
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And it seems like it's integrated nicely.
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Because like todoist does that.
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But I hate how it does it.
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ugly. So I think I'm really excited about a lot of the stuff in reminders and I
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think it looks very nice. I like that you can choose icons and stuff which I
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didn't know for like the smart lists. So when you create or like the lists that
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you create I should say you can choose the icons that you want for them so they
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would just look a little bit nicer. I'm really genuinely like I am way more
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excited about this reminders update than I thought I was going to be but I'm very
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very keen like to be able to use it. But I don't know when I'm going to be able to actually use it
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properly because I don't want to update my Mac to a beta version of Mac OS.
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They don't want to do that. And you do have to sort of opt in to the new reminders
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system just like it was with iCloud Drive years ago where it's like, okay, I'm ready to move over.
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Well, I mean, it might not be too difficult for me because I literally have not used reminders in
00:43:05
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like four years so there's nothing in there.
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So yeah but if you want to access your task list on your Mac then right but that I might
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just have to let that go until Catalina comes out right like and I can just whatever I can
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just use my phone on my iPad like it's not the worst thing so I think when I'm when I'm
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all in on the beta which would be at some point I'm really I'm gonna move everything
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over and I'm gonna try it out like I'm genuinely really excited about it like I think that
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this could be an app for me.
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It looks it looks really promising
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Of course, we also have iTunes being split up the music app
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Like I just have to say it feels like a stripped-down iTunes complete with the modal preference pain
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Still there. It is it puts Apple music and your local library on basically a level playing field and I
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Think that you know, I haven't hooked a lot of stuff up to it yet, but it does seem
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very much to be more responsive and cleaner than iTunes was but it feels like a child of iTunes in a lot of ways and
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The TV apps kind of the same way like it has the same modal preferences
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But it's like I need you to start plugging iPods into that Mac and see what happens
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Like I just want to know what the whole finder thing is all about like and how I just want to know I would like
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You to report back on what it's like to use iPods with Catalina. I will do that
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I've not done that yet, but I will report back for next week because that all got moved
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There is no reason why you should have done it before now
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Like there are a million more important things but between now and next week
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I would really like to know what it's like to use an iPod deck with the there's that weird find of you
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I'm very intrigued to see what that looks like
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Okay, and you are the man for the job. It's true that there are a lot of iPods around here
00:44:51
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I could plug in mm-hmm
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The TV app feels very much like having a tiny floating Apple TV, just on your Mac, the interface
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is basically what you would expect. It seems pretty fluid. All these apps do things like
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resize and the window sort of management feels much more fluid than the Mojave versions of
00:45:16
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you know, news and voice memos and everything to clear the technology has come a long way
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under the hood.
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Right. So is TV catalyst? No, it is app kit. The only one of these new apps that is catalyst
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is podcasts. But what's cool is from a user perspective, using music and podcasts, even
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like side by side, knowing in my mind, they're built differently. You can't really tell a
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difference. They both feel they feel and react and, and behave effectively the same way.
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And I think that's, I think that's great.
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It's how it should be.
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And I don't think any I don't think normal users who upgrade to catalyst this fall are
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going to be like, Oh, podcasts feels non native or music feels nice.
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Like there's not going to be in this conversations because apples in a really good job at matching
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how they work to each other.
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It's very impressive.
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Coming from where we were last year, especially.
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So those are the new apps.
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But I don't talk about catalyst just briefly.
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watching sessions, it's very clear to me that while Apple pitches this as just
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check the Mac target checkbox and Xcode, that could get you a Mac app, but not
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necessarily a good one, not necessarily one that is polished, or as flexible as
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people would want. So there is work to be done by developers to take advantage of
00:46:40
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a fuller menu system, toolbars, you know, the touch bar support, sidebars, the
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window materials, all that sort of stuff you can do to a catalyst catalyst app.
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But if you're an iOS developer out there, and you're thinking, I'm just gonna hit the
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checkbox and move on, it may work, but it's not going to be as good as what you could
00:46:59
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Okay, and I'm hoping that the market of Mac users will push developers into doing this
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extra work that those who go the extra mile to really make their Mac app sort of more
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well rounded on the Mac, that they'd be rewarded for that the
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work in the market. And so we'll see how that goes. I think like
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everything else, there will be examples of both good and bad,
00:47:21
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well thought out and lazy work here. But it's clear to me that
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as podcast as the example that clearly developers can make Mac
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apps with catalysts that feel really good and behave the way
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a user would expect, but it's not I guess I'm saying is it's
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not a given that will require some extra time. And hopefully developers are planning for
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that. I can't wait to see what works out. Like, I'm really I'm just like really intrigued
00:47:49
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like how many apps are they going to be? What are they going to feel like? Like, I'm really
00:47:53
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looking forward to that. Actually, I wanted to round this out talking about security,
00:47:57
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because that's a big part of what they're doing in catalyst. That's really true. Every
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year with Mac OS, there's always something this year it is driver kit, which moves kernel
00:48:07
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extensions, basically into the user space. So kernel extensions, instead of working at
00:48:13
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the kernel level or upper level, kind of the same permission level and access as user installed
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applications. And I think Apple's done a pretty good job at prepping developers for this.
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So they have multiple categories of kernel extensions, the driver kit supports, including
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virtualization, which is the big one. So like if you install parallels or VMware Fusion,
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have kernel extensions, that'll all just work. endpoint security, some networking stuff,
00:48:39
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VPN applications sometimes need a kernel extension, serial support. So thank God we have that
00:48:46
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driver kit still need that you're you're squared away. And they're saying that this is the
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last year that kernel extensions as we know them, will run starting in 1016. Whatever's
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after Catalina driver kit will be required. And that's a big change if you are using an
00:49:03
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app that requires kernel extensions. A lot of people do. But you know, they've given
00:49:07
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developers a year to, to prepare, I expect that this will cause problems with like big,
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like fortune 500 companies and like their sort of it security software and McAfee and
00:49:20
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all those things. I would expect a lot of civil break and Catalina or and definitely
00:49:25
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the year after. So I would say that if you're an IT professional in those sorts of worlds,
00:49:31
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pay special attention to this, get Catalina on a machine, talk to your vendors, because this is
00:49:37
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potentially extremely disruptive. I think it's good for the platform and simply makes the
00:49:41
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platform safer. Because I don't necessarily want software written by parallels, no offense to
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parallels. But I don't know if I actually want their software running in my kernel space, like,
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I was what Apple to be there. Because that's the heart of the machine, the kernel has access to
00:49:54
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to so much data, so much information,
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elevating that to the user space is a great security move.
00:50:01
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But I think it's going to be a little bumpy in some cases.
00:50:04
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So that's something to look out for if you
00:50:07
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are reliant on those sorts of applications.
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Is it weird to see, over the last few years,
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it feels like Apple is really closing
00:50:18
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a lot of these kinds of areas of stuff that kind of makes
00:50:22
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Mac a Mac right like they've got that notarization thing coming to right where
00:50:28
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it's like you don't have to come through the App Store but you have to do this
00:50:31
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thing mm-hmm yeah that's that's something less wild West II then maybe
00:50:38
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had in the past and I yeah I don't know if that's something that people are
00:50:42
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getting concerned about particularly well even like the t2 chip no blocks
00:50:47
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even doing certain things I see why they're doing it I mean I talked to
00:50:51
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people who again, are in these sort of like really big IT environments, and a lot of that
00:50:55
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stuff is a giant pain for them. And so I don't envy the problems that can create. But from
00:51:00
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the platform perspective, I think what Apple is doing ultimately is good because it does
00:51:03
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make the Mac more secure. And it makes the Mac hardened against sort of our environment
00:51:08
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that we all exist in these days. But I think like the user threats for them. Well, I think
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I think that that yes, that is that that's true.
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I think if you look at these like security conferences and you know, Apple not disclosing
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security issues and that sort of thing.
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There have been opportunities for vulnerabilities on the Mac in the recent years.
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The other part of this is though we talked about this.
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But again, thinking about like the person with like the MacBook Air, who's going to
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update to Catalina in September when it comes out, they're probably not going to notice
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any of this.
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But even though they don't, their Mac is more secure, and, and more kind of hardened.
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And part of this is to is that the entire as the chat room is reminding me, the whole
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operating system is now on a separate read only volume and APFS.
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So your Mac OS itself, you can't actually tinker with anymore.
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And I ran into this because I post the 5k wallpapers, the Catalina wallpaper is actually
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6K, so it's an enormous file.
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You've got a branding problem.
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Finding that where it normally is, it was actually like sem-linked to a folder that
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I couldn't write to.
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I could only read it from it.
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So I could copy them out of that folder, but I couldn't add anything to it.
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It's like, "Oh, look at that.
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You are separate."
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And the Mac finder's doing everything to obscure all that, but they are making a lot of changes
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under the hood to make the Mac more secure.
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I just don't know if normal users would be impacted by that, but if you're an IT professional,
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and you're deploying a bunch of Macs, some of this stuff no doubt is causing headaches.
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I hear from those people and you're gonna have a fun summer with Driver Kit probably.
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Yeah, because I would expect that like apps that would struggle with it, like security apps,
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they will do what they need to do to update, but you've got to update. And that's not always
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an easy thing to do in a large environment, I guess.
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And there are things that Apple's removing that does impact people like that again,
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chat room is talking about Apple's deprecating Python, Ruby and Perl and Catalina, like you
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can just go install those elsewhere. Like I understand wanting it to be out of the box,
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but you can just go install the command line tools, you can use something like homebrew.
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So they're not closing off as many things as it may seem. They're just adjusting the
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way the Mac has worked over the years. Another example, this I think may impact people is
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file provider API for cloud storage providers. So this is how files syncs with Dropbox and
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box and everything on iOS that's coming to the Mac and Catalina, which slipped under
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the radar, I think last week, but it's potentially a huge deal because Dropbox does have its
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fingers in a lot of parts of the OS that you know, some people don't like. And they if
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they adopted this, it could be a cleaner implementation. Ironically, as we're talking today, Dropbox
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released a new version that does a bunch of stuff so bad. It's also I think electron.
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So get that going for it. So you know, maybe they will eventually adopt this but the Mac
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is changing and and I think mostly for the better even though even though it does make
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life for some people, admittedly more difficult but I think for me the headline with Catalina
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And then we can move on is, I think the success of this version of Mac OS, or how big of a
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deal it is, we won't know.
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For several years, like Catalina will be remembered in five years of Oh, yeah, that's when iPad
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apps came to the Mac.
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And I'll remember how great that was.
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Or do you remember what a dumpster fire happened?
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You know, when people started doing that, and
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lol, do you remember we thought we'd use the Mac App Store more?
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And I expect I just say I expect catalyst to be successful.
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I expect iPad apps to come to the Mac and it'd be good for the Mac and good for the
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But catalyst will be judged on how that goes.
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And so this feels like a really big release.
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But sometimes that's true.
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And then it doesn't pan out long term.
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But I think catalyst will go in the Hall of Fame of Mac OS releases a few years down the
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We'll give it a trophy in three or four years.
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I think it will be right.
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Like I think it because it's an important one, whether it works or doesn't work like
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it's incredibly important that Apple's made this move.
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But now really the proof is in the pudding.
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- It's in the marzipan, except we don't call it that anymore.
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We're gonna talk about iPad OS,
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and I don't know if we have anybody prepped for that.
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Okay, Myke, did you find somebody was Casey able to dial in and tell us about iPad OS?
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No, we're just gonna have to skip it.
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That's not a big deal.
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I mean, we've got to skip it.
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You know, they basically made it like the Mac, it seems like so.
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I don't know.
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But I'm still here.
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I'm still listening.
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I just want to hear where these go.
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They put apps on it.
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They finally, Windows, get apps,
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they put they called Bill Gates and they say, hey, Bill, we need Windows on this
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on this device. So we got 95 Windows 95.
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That's what everyone's talking about.
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Windows 95 is coming to the iPad.
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It's brilliant.
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Bunch of changes, really. You can now multitask with the pencil.
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So like when you want to switch apps, you just poke the iPad and it moves between apps.
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Tap the pencil on the side that you...
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It's like you kind of treat the pencil like a magic wand.
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So like you just flick the pencil where you want the app to go and it goes there
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and you're like Leviosa and stuff and it just does its thing.
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They brought back Touch ID, but now you have to basically touch the keyboard
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with all of your fingers and it recognizes you.
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It won't work.
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Yeah, it's a new smart keyboard feature, a finger ID.
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What else is new?
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They have yeah, they have multitasking.
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So now you can you can use 20 apps at a time, but no more than 20.
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No less than 15.
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So between 15 and 20 is your sweet spot.
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Federico, what's going on in iPadOS?
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Come on, Brit foots out of our misery.
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Oh, but a bunch of things, bunch of things.
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So, OK, I would say that there's four major areas,
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if you were to look for key themes of iPadOS.
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And that would be multitasking, file management, Safari,
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and external USB and SD card devices, external storage
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There's lots more changes, but I would
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guess that these are the four major themes that
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we'll be discussing.
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So it is not a radical departure from iOS 11.
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It is still based on that system in terms
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of how you switch between apps, how you add apps
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to multitasking.
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There's still the separation between split view
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and slide over is still there.
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But the system has been enhanced in a variety of ways.
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So you still bring apps into multitasking
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by using drag and drop.
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Right now, there's a couple of bugs in beta 1
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where you cannot add an app from the home screen to multitasking.
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I believe that's coming back.
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And you can still do what you used to do in iOS 11.
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You bring up the dock, and you grab an icon,
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and you add it to split your slide over.
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What's new in iPadOS is that in addition to icons,
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you can drag content or views or items from apps
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to create new windows.
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This is the major new feature.
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You can create multiple windows from the same app.
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So remember before WWDC, we were all talking about
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what's Apple gonna do like instances or tabs?
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What are they gonna look like?
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Well, turns out the answer is they're gonna be windows
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and they're gonna call them windows.
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They seem to be a little uncomfortable with the idea of,
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well, these are not actually windows,
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but it's what people use to describe this feature,
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which is it's the same app,
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but it's got a bunch of windows.
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And so what you can do in iPadOS is
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you can go the manual way, or you can use drag and drop.
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The manual way consists of revealing expose,
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which is now a feature in iPadOS.
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So you can view the expose mode for an individual app.
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This is done by...
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This gets a bit complicated.
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So, in theory, this is done by long pressing on an icon
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on your iPad anywhere, in the dock, on the home screen,
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and choosing the "All Windows" button.
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These quick actions, by the way, are finally available on iPad as well.
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Does it mean like when you 3D touch on an app icon?
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Yeah, it's not 3D Touch because the iPad does not have 3D Touch, but it's part of the new
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context menu API that Apple now supports on iPhone and iPad.
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Have they killed that really stupid recents thing?
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No, it's still there, I think.
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I think it's still there. It's above the Expose button. So if you have an app like Files,
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you will have two little pop-ups.
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Or at least, have they made it easier to access it? Because it was always
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basically impossible to access it.
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So the animation is still a bit, like,
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could be fine tuned in the sense that when you long tap on an icon,
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it shrinks back and then if you let go, it expands with this menu.
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It kind of does make sense.
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But I really believe Apple should refine it,
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visually speaking, and make it a little more obvious.
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Anyway, yeah, in the Exposé mode, so Exposé can be accessed
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from this contextual menu or from... so let's say that you are in Safari, you
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have Safari opening full screen, Safari is the only app you're using, if you open
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the dock and tap on the Safari icon, that just once, if you tap once without long
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pressing, that will immediately open Exposé. So if you want to see Exposé
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for the app you're currently in, just tap the icon in the dock, if you want to see
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Exposé for any app, no matter your location in the system, tap and hold and
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choose Show All Windows. In Exposé there's a plus button and the plus button lets you create new
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windows in full screen. I still think though that the best way to deal with windowing in iPadOS is
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to use drag and drop. So you can drag for example a link from Safari and make it a new window,
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or you can drag a note from Apple Notes and make it a separate window, or a document, or like
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Anything that can be dragged in theory should become a window, whether it's a document or a specific view of an app.
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For example, a listing reminder can also be dragged and dropped to become a new window.
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To create a window, you drag an item to the side of the screen.
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You can then choose to make it a split view, which is a bigger rectangle, or a slide over, which is a smaller rectangle.
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Again, the design could probably be refined because it's still not completely obvious
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what is split view and what is slide over before you actually drop an item.
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You can now also drop something that you're dragging toward the top edge of the screen,
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and that will create a new full screen window, which is an even bigger rectangle.
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So a bunch of rectangles going on, really.
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When you have multiple... it sounds complicated, it is when you describe it.
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In practice, like, I'm an iOS 11 believer, so I still think the iOS 11 system was not
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perfect but it was fine once you actually get used to it.
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And I think this is also fine because the benefits that multi-windowing brings on iPad
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are amazing.
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You can have, for example, multiple windows in SlideOver and you can cycle through windows
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either from the same app or from different apps.
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And it's basically like the new slide over with Windows.
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It's like having the iPhone 10 multitasking UI
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just in slide over on the iPad.
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It's basically an app picker for iPhone sized Windows on your iPad.
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Can you, so I was thinking about this, right?
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You could keep like just four apps there and you could just quit
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whatever ones you want and just keep the four apps all the time, right?
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Like it's just all windows even.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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It's a separate app switcher.
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So like if you swipe up and pause,
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it shows you the app switcher UI,
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but just for the slide-over apps.
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So you can close those windows
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and keep a separate set of windows in the full app switcher.
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All of your windows are shown again in Expose
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on a per app basis or in the regular app switcher,
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which is the multitasking UI that you get
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when you swipe up on the home indicator.
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And they will be mixed along with all of your other spaces.
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There's some design changes that Apple is trying to,
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is testing to make it a little more obvious
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what is going on, for example, right now.
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I have three Safari windows.
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Two of them are paired together in a split view.
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below the icon and the Safari name, one says google.com, the other says relay.fm.
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So Apple is trying to label the views and the windows so that you actually know what
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they're all about.
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They're doing the same for messages conversations, for notes, for reminders lists.
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Basically it's a way to say this is what these windows are all about.
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It takes a while to get used to this system.
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It's definitely a little intimidating at first when you see Exposé for apps on iPad, when
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you see the multitasking UI with all of these windows.
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But it actually works, and it's really awesome that you can have multiple, like the same
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document open in multiple places, or two different notes open at the same time on screen, or
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maybe just have like different messages, conversations while you're doing something and swipe through
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them in slide over without having to do back and open this one then go back and open the
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other one you can just swipe up see this is like the thing that i keep forgetting right
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that it's not just apps it's windows like yes it's like a thing it's gonna take me some
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time to get my to like to really like lock into that it does but it feels so nice it
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It just sounds so nice.
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I think they've done a decent job, at least in beta 1, at trying to extend the iOS 11
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sort of design language and interactions to fit this new system.
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So like basically most of the interactions are the same, drag and drop still works the
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same but now you also have Windows.
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Again, there's probably a few tweaks that Apple could do, for example, when you have
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two apps in Split View, still a bit unclear which one is actually receiving keyboard input,
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maybe there's a design tweak or something that Apple could do to make it a little more
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But yeah, and again, it depends on developers actually implementing Windows, which is a
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fair amount of work because the technology is all based on this new API called the UI
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So developers actually have to put in some work. It's not like, "Oh, you automatically get Windows."
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No, you gotta actually support iPadOS.
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But yeah, that's one part of the story.
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Oh, and there's also like, there's different new UIs for picking Windows.
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I'm sure we'll talk about it in the summer and those will also get tweaked as the betas go on.
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File management.
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I mean, I think this is actually my favorite, mostly because I was not expecting all of these changes in the Files app all at once.
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Column view, contextual menus, zip and unzip, access to SMB servers, access to USB drives and SD cards from Files.
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You can share folders, improved search, so you can have actual search criteria in the search field,
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more keyboard shortcuts, proper quick look, quick actions, sort of like on Mojave.
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It's an awesome update. It feels like they went through all of the problems that people had and actually fixed them.
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I'm holding my judgment because they've added a lot of great features, but some of the fundamental bugs of files are so stupid that I want to see that that stuff is fixed.
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What are some of the fundamental bugs of files?
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I would love it to remember what my favorites are. Just won't do that. I would love it to sometimes just, yeah, I've always had inconsistent...
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So I can't add my favorites, they just disappear.
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Yeah. Are your favorites from Dropbox? Yeah, that's the problem.
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From the user perspective, it doesn't matter whose fault it is. It's a bug.
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Yeah, it needs to be not like that, right? So like, no matter whose problem that is,
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it needs to be not like that. And I think that Apple need to work harder to make sure
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that stuff's in a way that Dropbox can fix it or work directly with Dropbox to fix it,
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right? Like, if that's how they're going to tell me that I should be using Dropbox.
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I was perfectly fine with the document picker, like the previous one, whatever it was called,
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right? Where it would load up the view of Dropbox. Like that was more reliable in a lot of instances
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than files is. So considering Apple forced every way to go down this route, I right, because no,
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I can't choose a Dropbox file picker like in anywhere in the system unless an app has built
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their own. So I need, I want to see that support working properly. But to be honest, it isn't just
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Dropbox that I have problems with when I'm trying to download a file, right? And it just spins and
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that happens in iCloud drive, right? Like when it just sits and spins and what am I supposed to do?
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Like it's like a 20k file, like what are you doing? And it's just spinning and there's nothing I can
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do to get it and it's just stuck, right? So like stuff like that I want to see fixed. I'm really
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excited about all of these additions but I really want to see the underpinnings made a bit better
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too because it's really important if I'm going to be supposed to be using and managing my files this
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Well that's a bummer.
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I was really...
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Yeah, I have had consistent problems with the files app.
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I was really excited about this one.
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I'm excited about it too!
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Like, it's still good, all this stuff is still good,
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but I really hope that they've also done work to shore up the basics,
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as well as adding all these amazing features.
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Behind the scenes there's changes to the file bookmarks API,
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API, so the thing that I described in my iPad story a few weeks ago got even
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better for developers now, so you actually get access to the entire
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contents of an external folder, including subfolders, so apps that work with this
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kind of stuff, like working copy and IE writer could actually get even better
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because the API has been improved. But yeah, I mean, I am going to, as soon as
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I'm recording this podcast on an iPad and as soon as I'm done recording I will take the SD card
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from the recorder that I'm using and plug it into my iPad and get the file from there.
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No more crazy hacks and workarounds to get the file wirelessly from like a third-party wi-fi box.
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So I'm pretty excited about all of this. Moving on, third major feature Safari desktop class
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browsing, this is also really, really impressive. Of course, Apple changed the
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user agent of Safari for iPad to Safari for Mac, but that's not all. They did a
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lot of work in the WebKit engine to render desktop websites on
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iPad and dynamically alter the viewport so that the content could actually scale
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able to fit the iPad screen while displaying a desktop
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layout, while also maintaining text at a legible size.
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And in addition to that, they added support
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for pointer events, which I believe
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is a CSS property that lets you abstract interactions,
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whether it's touch, click, or stylus,
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and it works with all of those input systems.
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They also supported media source extensions,
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which is another web API to stream audio and video content through JavaScript.
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All of these, and of course they mapped by, they did a lot of work to map a tap to a click,
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because of course you don't click on an iPad, you actually tap the screen.
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But in doing that, they also needed to reconcile how you scroll on a desktop computer,
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and how you scroll on an iPad, but also how on a desktop PC you have a trackpad, you have a cursor,
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and therefore you can hover over website elements to like reveal menus or expand navigation elements.
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On an iPad that's not possible, we don't have the concept of hovering over the screen, you just touch the screen.
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So they did some work there to also make sure
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that you could-- even if you tap,
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but if it's a hover element, it will not navigate.
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It will actually expand the menu.
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So there's a lot of work behind the scenes
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that went to sort of improve all of this.
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The result is that popular websites, they all now
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work on the iPad.
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I'm using Google Docs right now, looking at it right now.
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And it works just fine, including
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comments and real-time chat and text styles. I tested the YouTube desktop site,
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I tested Netflix, I was able to stream Netflix in iPad Safari, WordPress,
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Squarespace, Zapier, which was impossible to use on iPad before. They're all fine
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now. This is gonna be the big difference, I think, for many people. I was
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talking to Adina about it last night, she was like, "Tell me what I might be
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interested in. And when we were talking about it, she was like, "Oh, I was trying to check in for my
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flight on my iPad and I couldn't choose my seat." And I was like, "Well, all that stuff's going to
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be fixed." And she was like, "Oh, I might use it more now." Right? And I think that is so many
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people could be like, "Oh, okay." Right? Like if the web just, all of it just works, I'll just use
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my iPad. I think it's going to be a huge difference for a lot of just more general users, including
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professional users, right? Like the more general user might not care that you can zip and unzip in
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files, but they will care that their bank app is going to work. No, their bank website will work,
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I should say. Because the web is a catch all, right? If you don't have an app for something or
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don't want to install it, again, something simple like checking in for a flight, I don't want to
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install my airline's app for that. I just want to do it on the web, right? And this lets the iPad
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finally, after a decade, be a full like a citizen of the full web. And that's really exciting. I
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I agree with you, Myke, I feel like out of all this stuff, that may be the most important,
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because it unlocks the iPad for so many more uses for so many more users that just were
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so frustrated by simple things, right?
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I think it's also kind of an F you to Chromebooks.
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Because I would expect that Apple is kind of sick of the comparisons when talking about
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real computers, and that somehow, everyone will just say, Oh, well, a Chromebook is more
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of a real computer because it has a full desktop browser, which I don't necessarily think is
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a thing because most people, I think in a lot of instances, will tell you they prefer
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apps anyway. But it's a comparison in the same way that I've been saying about, well,
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one of the main reasons I reckon they added external storage devices is just so they stop
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getting compared to devices that can do it. And this could be another one of those things
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where it's like, well, now this is something you can't stack up a Chromebook against the
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the iPad and say that the Chromebook is more of a computer than the iPad because the iPad
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also has a full desktop browser now. So come at me. Right? Yeah. And it, it gives people
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who rely on, you know, something as simple as, Hey, I have to upload stuff to my CMS.
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And it didn't work like so many like really specific problems. And those are the types
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of problems that keep people off a platform. To your point, right? If you have two things
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you do at work every day, and one of them just doesn't work on the iPad, the iPad isn't
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a viable computer replacement for you know, it's useless to you then 50% of your work
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can't be done. So what are you gonna do? And so I think this is a huge deal. I'm so glad
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they finally were able to tackle this. And it seems like they did it in a way that is
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going to be pretty bulletproof. I mean, I haven't spent much time with it. But it seems
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like the way they've implemented this, I'm sure there will still be the app here or web
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app or website here or there that doesn't work with this. But it seems like they've
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built a robust enough system to basically accommodate anything within the realm of sort
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of normal web standards.
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And that's really exciting to me.
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There's a download manager now in Safari that allows you to finally download files and shows
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you progress.
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And you can have multiple downloads going on in a little window, like on a Mac.
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Poor iCab, really.
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You can also specify your default download location,
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including file providers.
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So any folder--
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OK, I wanted to ask you about that.
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So if I'm in Safari on the iPad, I
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could download directly to Dropbox
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without having to set through files.
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Like Safari just sends things to Dropbox automatically?
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Yeah, you can select that in Settings.
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That's exciting.
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So you have to set it first.
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You can't just be like, download it here.
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But you would say in Settings, put it
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in this folder in Dropbox.
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and that's just where it's gonna go.
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- Yes, and by default it goes to iCloud Drive/downloads,
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but there's a settings screen in Safari settings
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to manage downloads and what happens to them.
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- That is just, I mean, it's a great feature,
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but that is a surprising feature.
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- And I guess that they wanted to give people choice
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of like, "No, I don't wanna waste my iCloud space."
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- It really feels like the Safari team on iPad
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were kind of allowed to do whatever they wanted,
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'cause so much of this feels like,
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"Wow, you really did a lot! You didn't just take a step into this, you just went all in
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on this!" Right? Because the next point you have is another one, is keyboard shortcuts.
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There's way more keyboard shortcuts than is necessary! They put them all in there! And
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so it's wild, it's really amazing!
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Basically all of the keyboard shortcuts from the Mac now work on an iPad, including Command
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1 to Command 9 to switch between tabs.
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Oh sweet, I use those every day.
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Yeah, yeah, you can show the Download Manager with the keyboard shortcut.
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I love that, but why?
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It's so good!
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Command-Option-L, that's the Download Manager, of course.
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Same as the Mac, the Mac has that, why would the iPad not?
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And, get this, this feels like the kind of feature that was done exactly for me, Command-S
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you save a web page as a .webarchive file, which I absolutely love because web archives
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do not get enough love these days. They are full offline copies of a web page that you
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can store for reference later. And they are better than PDF documents. Do not come at
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me. I prefer web archives. How do you view your web archives? Oh, for like, for the,
01:21:19
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How do I use or store?
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Oh, a quick look.
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They are natively previewed now.
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So Safari, yeah, pretty amazing update, honestly, and there's even more.
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For example, this is wild.
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If you have a bunch of tabs open, like you're doing research on a topic, if you long press
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the bookmarks icon, you will get the option to save all of those tabs as bookmarks.
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It's like, let me save all of these working set of web pages as a bookmark.
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Or you have a folder full of bookmarks?
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Well, if you long press the folder, you can reopen all of the bookmarks in new tabs.
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Again, it's like, why?
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Why did you add that?
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I'm so pleased you did.
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But at what point was it like, I know what we need to do.
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Do you know what this feels like?
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This feels like a team that's been working on something for a few years. Right? This
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is what happens when they're sitting on this stuff for a couple of years. We've got a couple
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of years worth of work in one. I'm so excited. Alright, I'm probably gonna move to Safari
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now, right? That's probably what's gonna happen.
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Oh yeah, you're still using Chrome. I always forget.
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Or I could just use Safari as this very specific working tool, which is probably also what
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I do. We'll see what happens.
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I really don't understand why you don't just use Chrome with Safari.
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I've explained it to you many times.
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My history is synced across all my devices if I use Chrome,
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because Safari on the Mac is not as good as Chrome on the Mac.
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Also with Safari.
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Chrome on the Mac works better for Google Docs.
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What's the problem?
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Yep. Oh, I see.
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Yeah. Really? Not wrong.
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Yeah, it's better.
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I mean, I've been I mean, maybe I don't use it to your extent,
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but I've been fine with Safari on the Mac.
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Maybe it's gotten better over time,
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but it's one of those things where I got burned. So I just,
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one thing that, uh, your comment about a team, we've worked on it for a long time.
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I get the impression, I'm gonna see what the two of you think that Apple,
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maybe three, four or five years ago would basically roll out something at the
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year Mark. You know, maybe we would get some of the Safari stuff,
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but not all of it at once.
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And now it really seems to me like they are willing to hold features until they
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have a bigger, more complete picture.
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So instead of just getting a download manager or just getting new short cousin Safari we get this whole new Safari all in one
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update and I
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Think while that is frustrating in the short term because yet having a download manager two years ago or a year ago
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If it were ready hypothetically, that'd be great. But now we're getting like a whole new Safari and it's like a really big deal
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One do you do you all feel that that's a thing that's happening or am I just sort of making this up and two if it
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is happening, do you think that is a better or worse strategy from the user
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perspective? Yes and better. Okay. I do think it's happening and I think it's
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better because whilst it can frustrate people like me and Federico who feel
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like we're waiting for features that should be there, when they arrive if they
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are more complete they're more likely to be used, right? Because people won't
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bounce off them if they use it and say "this is rubbish" or it's like "oh you told me
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this was this but it's not right then people will be more likely to actually
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spend time with them which is more important at the end of the day so I
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think that this is I think this is great and I'm pleased if that is the method
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that they are taking then in theory I am in on it but it but what you know what I
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would want to see though is like it's not that all of iPad OS takes two years
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to make revisions to but that they kind of stagger it right so like this year
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you'll get these types of features and on this year you'll get these types of features.
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You know what I mean?
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So don't align all of your teams at the same cadence.
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Split them up a little bit so you get some of this and some of that but still adding
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new stuff every year.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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Even though it is a little annoying when you're on the off year and you get nothing.
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Right, but that's what I mean.
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I need to try and make every year an on year but the on years are always smaller.
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you don't need to do massive stuff, right? You don't, they don't need to do what they've
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done this year every year, right? This year is huge. Next year, just give me some smaller
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stuff but show me that there's still stuff going on. And like, and then we can just have
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that as the mode to just give me some stuff every year. You don't need to overhaul everything
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every two years.
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Yeah, it's like that expression. Like, I guess it works in English too, like better an egg
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today than a hen tomorrow and you always want to wait for the hen because that
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hen is gonna give you more eggs so you never want the egg actually so
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what I'm saying is you actually want to wait two years and you got all of
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the features. Sure. No, no I want the eggs not the hen. No you don't want the eggs
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you want the hen and the hen will give you more eggs. No because I want some stuff
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every year, right? But what I'm saying is spend the time working on the features, but
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don't lock them all in on the same cycle, right? So like the Safari team, it might take
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them two years to make something bigger again. That's fine. Let them take their two years,
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but don't have the Files team working on the same two year cycle. Have them working on
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a two year cycle, but have their kind of release time on the off year of the Safari team.
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But what if they depend on each other for some features and they actually need to come
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out at the same time?
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Well, then you hold those ones, I don't know.
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What I'm saying is I like the idea of them spending more time refining stuff and making
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it better, but not at the case of like, now we have to wait the maximum amount of time
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always, you know?
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Like spend the time working on it, but don't feel that you need to put it all out at the
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Like you can kind of put it out a little bit more when it's ready.
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To round up iPadOS updates, as I mentioned,
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we have Quick Actions on the home screen now.
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So you can long press icons, and you get the 3D Touch menu
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and Quick Actions, even though the iPad does not
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have 3D Touch.
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This also works on iPhones, where
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Peek and Pop, the 3D Touch system,
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is gone, replaced by the Context menus and Haptic Touch,
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So get ready.
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Can you not preview an iMessage anymore?
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Umm... let's see...
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Yeah, you can, but it's different from Peek & Pop.
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It's based on the new context menu thing.
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I just want to be able to still read my messages without affecting the read receipt status.
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That's all I want to be able to do.
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The functionality...
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The functionality is still the same.
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That's a pro move, by the way.
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If you use read receipts, you can just use Peek & Pop to read the message
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without changing the read receipt status.
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Just be careful!
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If you press too hard, then you'll open the message.
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But that is my pro my pro move.
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Yeah. The home screen also has widgets now,
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so you can pin your favorite widgets to the left side of the home screen.
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And I want to ask you guys, I think we were all under the impression
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that Apple would do a little more to the home screen than just widgets.
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This feels like the most obvious approach.
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They went with the easiest possible option, but they at least did something.
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But yes, but not even widgets mixed with icons, just widgets on the side.
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No, they were just like, you know that widget view that's over there, we're just gonna bring it here.
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Like just move it a little closer, but that's it.
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At least they did the like six by six grid of apps, so like it doesn't move around anymore.
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Look, they did the bare minimum, but they at least did the bare minimum,
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because they haven't done the bare minimum in a long time.
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But they didn't, yes.
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Finally, there's going to be a bunch more features that will probably come out in future betas
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that we'll discuss in future episodes, but we gotta mention this one today.
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You can now use a mouse or a trackpad with your iPad, either via USB or Bluetooth, it's gonna work.
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As we mentioned a few episodes ago, it's an accessibility option.
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It's enabled in AssistiveTouch that will give you a new pointing devices menu once you connect a USB or Bluetooth mouse or trackpad.
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And not only that, you can program individual buttons of a mouse to perform specific actions that are supported by AssistiveTouch.
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So what I did when I was waiting for... I had a four-hour layover that became a six-hour layover in Inthro a few days ago.
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That's a good workflow you had, you needed more time, delayed the flight.
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That's cool.
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So I went to an electronics store and I bought the Logitech M...
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MS? MX? Master...
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The MX Master S.
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2S. 2S, I think.
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Which has four buttons that you can program, or five buttons actually,
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that you can program with the assistive touch menu in iMpadOS.
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And it's amazing because I can now, left click is tap, right click is go home, button 3 is
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show the dock, button 4 I actually forgot, because I don't have the menu here with me
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But it's amazing, so it's not perfect because the cursor, like Apple is making a big deal
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out of communicating how this is an accessibility feature, this is not actually, oh the iPads,
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Now they all work with mouse and trackpad like on a Mac.
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You don't have all of the design considerations that go into actually supporting a pointing
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Even though you can connect a mouse, you get an accessibility cursor.
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You don't actually get a real cursor.
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There's no actual real support, for example, in UIKit for hover state for a mouse.
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There's no automatic resizing of UI elements when a mouse is connected.
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a lot more work that Apple could do to properly support mice and trackpads.
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My understanding is that this is the easiest path for Apple to have some basic support
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right now for using a mouse or a trackpad with an iPad.
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Still, despite the fact that it's not perfect and the cursor is too big and the click area
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is too small, it actually works.
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I've been using my iPad Pro, connected to the Ultrafine display with the Logitech mouse
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and I can now interact exclusively with the UI on the Ultrafine, on the monitor, because
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I have a mouse and I have a cursor and I can click stuff, I don't have to look down at
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my iPad anymore because that mouse gets the job done.
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And I'm so happy that it works, even though it's not perfect, it lets me do what I always
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wanted to do which is have an iOS interface on a 4k monitor without
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actually having to look down at my iPad all the time.
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So yeah it's very nice it's very nice and you can actually do you know you can
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do drag and drop you can resize view with the mouse basically it simulates a
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finger so all that you can do with a finger can be done with the mouse again
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not perfect could be a lot better maybe Apple could actually improve it during
01:32:58
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the beta, it doesn't have to be this way.
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Even though you're not actually saying,
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no, this is just for accessibility, yes, we get it.
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It could still make it better.
01:33:08
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And again, the whole theme of accessibility
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is to empower everyone.
01:33:12
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And a way to empower everyone would
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be to actually make this existing
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feature a little better.
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Even though you don't have hover state in UIKit
01:33:20
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or automatically resizing elements,
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it could still be a little better.
01:33:24
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It could still make it a little smaller
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or make it the size like a user choice.
01:33:29
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There's things that they could do, but we'll see.
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File your feedback reports, people, right now.
01:33:35
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It's the best time to do so.
01:33:37
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And that's it for IOS.
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- All right, we're gonna wrap up by talking about IOS 13
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So let's cover a few iOS 13 features
01:35:50
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that are not in iPad OS or that we haven't spoken about.
01:35:53
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Like we're not going to talk about reminders or whatever,
01:35:55
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because we spoke about that earlier.
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Dark mode is here.
01:36:00
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It looks great.
01:36:01
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You know, I'm really happy with the way that Apple decided to implement that.
01:36:05
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The way that you enable it is kind of strange.
01:36:08
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There's like it's not in control center as its own dedicated button.
01:36:12
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You have to go into the brightness tile and control center,
01:36:15
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and there's a button there, which is interesting.
01:36:19
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But you can also set it on a timer.
01:36:21
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I would expect not a lot of people are going to be like turning it on and off just like
01:36:26
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You're either going to leave it on or you'll put it on a timer and you'll probably go that
01:36:30
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I reckon that's how most people will probably interact with dark mode.
01:36:34
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And Catalina picked that up as well on the Mac.
01:36:36
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You can have dark mode go off at a set time.
01:36:38
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Oh yeah, you couldn't do that before, right?
01:36:41
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Right before it was a manual switch.
01:36:44
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It's pretty nice.
01:36:45
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There are APIs for third party apps, right?
01:36:47
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So if dark mode is enabled and an app has a dark mode themselves, they can have the
01:36:53
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system automatically switch it to them.
01:36:57
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This feature will inevitably spawn a million dark mode themes, which is great.
01:37:01
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I mean, a lot of big apps have them themselves anyway, right?
01:37:05
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Even huge apps like Twitter have it, right?
01:37:08
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They have dark mode.
01:37:09
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They have a gray and a black mode.
01:37:12
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But having the APIs there so it can be set automatically.
01:37:15
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So if you're expecting dark mode, you're not going to get retina piercing white, which
01:37:19
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will be really great.
01:37:20
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So I'm excited about that.
01:37:24
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There are also new wallpapers in iOS 13, like the default stock wallpapers.
01:37:28
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They have these little icons on them which mean that they will dynamically change from
01:37:34
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bright to dark in the background when you switch to dark mode.
01:37:38
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But there's also a setting where you can have the system dim your wallpaper when you're
01:37:43
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in dark mode if you set your own. So that's really cool. So that's dark mode.
01:37:48
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Shortcuts, we covered shortcuts I feel like last week. It's based into the
01:37:52
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system all in one place. Automation looks amazing, very exciting. Photos looks
01:37:57
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really good. It has that refined design that uses machine learning to pick out
01:38:01
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images from years, months and days. Tries to highlight what it thinks are your best
01:38:05
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photos and the photo editing tools are much better and can be used on video.
01:38:11
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sign in with Apple which is a great thing right which allows you to yeah if
01:38:16
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services need an account you can then they usually typically be like hey sign
01:38:20
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in with Facebook or sign in with Google Apple can do this for you and I think
01:38:24
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something that we didn't know when we last spoke about this is that Apple will
01:38:28
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be enforcing this in applications that use third-party signups so if you're an
01:38:33
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app and you say sign in with Google to get through app review you also have to
01:38:37
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have a sign-in with Apple, which is good and interesting and maybe slightly bad, but it's
01:38:44
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a thing that they're doing, right?
01:38:45
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Like you know, it's like I'm pleased that it exists as a user.
01:38:50
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It is always a bit awkward when Apple forced something on you as a developer or as users,
01:38:58
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Because it's like, okay, I feel like you're trying to be good here, but you're doing a
01:39:02
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weird thing, right?
01:39:04
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Like you're doing something that we would say other companies were being bad about,
01:39:08
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but you're coming at it from a privacy perspective.
01:39:11
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But now everyone is supposedly coming at everything from privacy perspectives.
01:39:16
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But I think that it's a good thing, but it is also a little bit like, "Ah, app review."
01:39:22
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Yeah, there's an interview over on The Verge that went up, I think right before we started
01:39:29
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And it is talking with Mark Risser, who is the product
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management director for Android.
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And the Apple sign-on came up.
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And basically, he was saying that Google
01:39:42
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doesn't do the things that Apple is sort of painting
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Google is doing.
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And they didn't get called out.
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But Apple sort of painted this picture of,
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we're not going to track or anything.
01:39:51
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We don't know if the other guys are tracking.
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They can't be trusted.
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And he sort of goes into detail about how
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the sign-in with Google works.
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and they're doing no tracking.
01:39:59
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- Good for them.
01:40:00
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- They're not using it for advertising.
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So it's an alternative.
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I wouldn't use the sign in with Facebook,
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but it seems like Google at least is handling it
01:40:10
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closer to the way Apple is than maybe Apple insinuated.
01:40:13
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- And they have the swipe keyboard
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so you can do the swipe typing.
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But they didn't do anything of emoji search.
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Come on, Apple.
01:40:26
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How hard is it to put a little search field in the emoji box?
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Well, they have it on the Mac and it doesn't work.
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So maybe it's tricky.
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I mean, it kind of works.
01:40:35
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They've got to do it.
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But it doesn't work great.
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But at least it's something.
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Like, come on, Apple.
01:40:41
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That's iOS 13.
01:40:42
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Oh, and there's a new volume indicator.
01:40:46
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Buried the lead there, Myke.
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People would have rioted, though, if that wasn't fixed.
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So I'm pleased that they didn't fix it.
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Or if they made it take over the whole screen.
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the whole screen instead of I'll show you. Oh, you said you want to make it not as big.
01:41:02
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I misread the feedback. They should have it that like the louder the volume, the bigger
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the indicator. Like it just physically gets bigger. And if you're a max volume, it just
01:41:10
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covers the entire screen. Yeah. Or if Casey comes in, it just covers the screen. The phone
01:41:15
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explodes. I want to talk about CarPlay before we for we wrap up today as part of iOS CarPlay
01:41:21
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has been pretty static, I think it's fair to say since its launch. And they've added,
01:41:27
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you know, app types and things, but the general UI of CarPlay hasn't changed all that much.
01:41:32
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That is different this time. So you have what's called the CarPlay dashboard, which is an
01:41:36
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excellent name and every way that I 100% back and it gives you kind of a tile view of maps.
01:41:44
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Did you mean that?
01:41:45
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Media. I think it's a great name.
01:41:47
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Okay, great. I like it too. I just wasn't sure if you would be
01:41:50
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It's like a dashboard aren't on carplay in your dashboard in your car and it's playing dashboards all the way down
01:41:57
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right, if if your dashboard feels guilty, maybe it could have a dashboard confessional I
01:42:02
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Resisted the joke. I resisted it
01:42:05
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I told you that there would be a was pun than my one and we found it
01:42:11
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It took until the end of the episode, but we did definitely get there
01:42:16
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This new UI gives you kind of a tile view of maps media playback. You can tell it to give you Siri suggestions
01:42:23
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Which will surface?
01:42:25
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Things that Siri suggests that you do based on location of time and all that stuff. So hey, you're backing out of your driveway
01:42:31
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Normally you close your garage door with home kit. Maybe you want to make sure that was done
01:42:35
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So that's cool. I don't know how useful the series additions will be for everybody if you're not really
01:42:40
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Into the rest of the ecosystem so you can't actually turn this off. There's a new settings app in CarPlay
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There's also a new relatively simple calendar app, which I think is a great idea. It will
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show you your upcoming events and if there are locations tied to those events. So hey,
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I'm going to this meeting at this address, you can tap on it and maps will pull the pull
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the address up. That makes sense. I was like, why would you need a calendar in the car?
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And that makes a lot of sense why you'd want a calendar and a car. Maps already does some
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of that where if you have an upcoming event, it will surface that in the map.
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See why on the phone.
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So it's kind of making that all a little bit more robust.
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There's also a redesigned music app that looks really good.
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I have not installed I was 13 on my iPhone.
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But when I do, I plan to do some more stuff around carplay because I think it's an interesting
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A really key change that I've complained about others have is say that you have your car
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parked in a parking spot out of gear, the emergency brakes on.
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- Yeah. - Not driving.
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Not driving. - Yeah, okay.
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I really like how very particular you were with that.
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- Really trying to be careful how I say this.
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If you had, say you had overcast playing,
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and you had overcast on the CarPlay screen,
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and then you opened messages on your iPhone--
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- While you're completely stationary in the car park.
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- While completely stationary in a car park.
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- In neutral.
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- Wearing your seatbelt, just in case.
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messages have come up on the CarPlay screen.
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And then Siri would be like,
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oh, do you want me to read you new messages?
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And it was infuriating,
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because basically the iPhone display and CarPlay
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were linked, it was like,
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CarPlay was like a projector
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of what was happening on your iPhone.
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And they've broken that link now,
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so you can have an app open on your phone
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and it won't change modes in CarPlay.
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This is also really common if you're riding with somebody
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and then you hand them your phone to pick music or something
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and you're looking at navigation,
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you miss a turn because they're in the music app.
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Like, it's giving you more flexibility.
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I think that's a good change.
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There's also a lot of stuff for future cars.
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So all the stuff I've talked about so far,
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existing cars will just get
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because it comes from the iPhone.
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But if car manufacturers wanna do more,
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there are now more options.
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So a lot of cars now, instead of a traditional gauge cluster
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they're basically using a screen behind the steering wheel
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and it shows you a digital representation
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of your speedometer or your tack or whatever you want.
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And now CarPlay can project onto those screens as well.
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And there's support for multiple screens,
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resizing the CarPlay window, projecting CarPlay
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into an irregular shaped screen.
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This stuff will require car manufacturers
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to adopt it in the future.
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So if you have a car now with a digital screen instead
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speedometer you're not going to get this on day one it seems like but maybe with
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a firmware update to your car or if you trade it in in a couple years your next
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one would have it so Apple's being responsive responsive to modern car
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design and and lastly new cars can enable the ahoy telephone without
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pushing a button so you can just speak out to Siri and that seems like it's
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only new cars but I'm not positive on that point so I don't think that's
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coming to existing existing installs. That doesn't make sense to me because I thought
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everything we knew about that feature required some kind of architectural chip change in
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Apple devices. How it works is it listens for the wake words through the car's microphone
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and then routes that to the iPhone ever lightning or wirelessly if you have wireless carplay.
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And so I believe the changes that the car microphone has to always be listening and
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And I think that's why it's only future cars or cars
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after some sort of firmware update.
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I don't think my aftermarket CarPlay unit will get
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that particular feature, but time will tell.
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So that's a little ambiguous in watching Apple sessions,
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whether the Ahoy!
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Telephone wake word will show up for everybody.
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But at the very least, it can be available in new cars.
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But all in all, it's good to see CarPlay be evolved.
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I've really enjoyed having CarPlay in my truck
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the last six months or so since I installed that head unit.
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And it's in so many new cars now.
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I'm glad Apple is taking some time to improve it.
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I think the dashboard in particular
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is going to make it feel much more modern and powerful.
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So CarPlay looks really great in iOS 13.
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I'm excited to try it out.
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They said it couldn't be done, but we did it.
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