238: Weird Plex, But Okay
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- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 238.
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It's made possible this week by FreshBooks,
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Squarespace, and Warby Parker.
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I'm your host, Stephen Hackett,
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and because it is an even episode,
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I will first announce Mr. Federico Vittigi.
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- Hello, Stephen.
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Hello, hello everybody.
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I'm back in my rightful spot
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as the first, what's her name?
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Introductee, is that a word?
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I don't know.
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- Yes, cool, that's good.
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I like that.
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- So here I am, hi, hi.
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- Bringing up the rear, we have Myke Hurley.
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- This is bull (beep)
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What up, boys?
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I've got jet lag.
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Let's do this thing.
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- Oh, hi, Myke.
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Welcome back.
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- Thank you.
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- To Europe.
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I just saw you just a few days ago.
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- We were in Atlanta together,
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where we did a live episode of "Ungeniused,"
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and then y'all did a live episode of "The Pen Addict"
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at the "Elena Pen Show."
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Always a super fun trip.
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- Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
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We'll put links to those in the show notes.
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- Show well.
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- But we have some follow-up,
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and the first piece here says,
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"Federico's whole childhood was a lie."
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So. - Yes, yes.
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What's happening?
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I made a very unsettling discovery
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as I was doing some research around a thing
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that I mentioned last week.
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And that made me very sad.
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And I spoke about this with Sylvia, my girlfriend,
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and we were shaken by this discovery.
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When Myke made a joke about the keyboard butler,
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and he said, "Keeves."
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And I didn't know why it was that funny, and he mentioned how Jeeves is this figure,
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this butler figure from, I don't know, some movie or TV show? Like, what's it from?
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Book series. It's a book series and TV show.
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And I said, "Oh, like Ambrogio." And Ambrogio was this character, this butler, for the commercials
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of a popular little chocolate thing. The Ferrero Rocher. You guys are familiar with those,
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right? Oh, you didn't have the Ambassador ads? No, no, we had the lady, we call it like
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the lady in yellow or something. And she was the lady of the Ferrero Rocher. And Ambrogio
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was her butler and he, you know, drove the car and just randomly popped up to make sure
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that she had, you know, her daily dose of Ferrero Rocher. That was what Ambrogio was
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meant to do, to supply her with Ferrero Rochers as much as possible. And, but what I discovered
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is that by, you know, just googling Ambrogio Ferrero Rocher, that kind of stuff. Ambrogio
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is a British man. Ambrogio is not Italian. Ambrogio is a British actor named Paul Williamson,
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who is still alive and is very old at this point, but is still, I think is still working
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actually. And so yeah, Ambrogio, not an Italian butler, but a British butler playing Italian.
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And I should have known, I guess at the time I didn't notice that there was voiceover going
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on. I re-watched the commercials and you can tell that it's, you know, even the actress,
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the lady, she's an American actress, I think.
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That's super interesting because I don't remember these ads, like for a Rocher, like there's
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this thing about the ambassador, it's like that was like the advertising campaign for
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my entire life. So it's strange that these were dubbed, but I don't know them because
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I would have expected that they would be the UK ads and then they dubbed them, right? Like
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what you would think but that I don't think that's what happened.
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Yeah, yeah, so Ambrogio, not an Italian butler but just, you know, whatever capitalism served
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in terms of actors and commercials. So very sad follow-up, very sad story. I feel like
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this is, you know, it was one of the key figures of, you know, my childhood in terms of TV
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consumption you know the Ferrero Rocher commercial and Ambrogio it's like it's
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like a joke that people use in Italy like yeah literally like I used it last
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week. What I just said about ambassador you're spoiling us that is a joke that
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people in the UK use right like it was there was these fancy dinners at like
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ambassadors house or whatever and then someone will bring out like this pyramid
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tray for a Rocher and someone will go ambassador you're spoiling us and like that is like a
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thing that people say to each other is like a it's like a meme right it's like
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if someone's like you go in someone's house and they have like a bunch of like
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oh I'm Bassety you're spoiling us so yeah yeah or like when when someone is
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bald and you call him mr. clean you know stuff like that yeah not so much but
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sure it's it's in that vein sort of when commercials and advertisements well I'm
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very very sorry that that we had to be the reason you found out that your
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entire childhood was a lie. Yeah, also Ferrer Rocher is not sponsoring this episode, so
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this is a true story. Okay, I'm glad we got that taken care of. It did remind me of Kate's
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awesome tweet where she illustrated Keeves presenting a iPad keyboard case on what appears
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to be a golden platter because that's what keyboards deserve to be presented on. Yeah,
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And I love the lettering in this artwork.
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The 3D effect is very, very good.
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Kate is the official illustrator of Connected.
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Just hands down.
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We have some feedback about health kit data between multiple phones.
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I think this came up in Federico's multi-watch lifestyle section of the show.
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Oh no, I think it was when we were talking about iCloud, like that you can't have health
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- It was iPhone. - It syncs from iPhone
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to iPad, but it does sync from iPhone to iPhone.
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- Yes, so Saphon corrected us saying it does sync
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between two iPhones, but that it is,
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this is quoting, "Ridiculously slow,
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"so slow that you would think it doesn't work at all."
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- I love that. - I love that phrasing.
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- I can add that I was told privately
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that it does merge, of course, between devices.
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So it syncs and emerges.
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It's just, it's kinda slow because it's,
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I think it's due to the encryption going on.
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But it does work as we hoped it would.
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So even more so, it means it is technically possible
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for Apple to actually use this data on the iPad
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even though the iPad will not capture any data,
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it can at least present it.
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So that would be technically possible already.
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- Federica, let me ask you a question.
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You may not know the answer,
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but I know the A12 processor in the iPhone
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has that motion coprocessor.
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Does that just not exist on the iPad?
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- I am not sure.
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I think it does not exist,
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but I would need to double check on that.
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- It just popped in my head.
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I didn't mean to put you on the spot.
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- But my feeling is it does not have that processor.
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- Yeah, okay.
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- I mean, I guess, why would it, right?
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It's like it's tracking your steps.
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Although I think it also does
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some of the Ahoy telephone stuff? The Wikipedia page for the motion core processor says that
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it's in the A12X bionic. Okay, so maybe it's there but it's just not doing... It's used
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for different things. Doing things. Yeah. So the function is to collect sensor data
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from integrated accelerometers, gyroscopes, and compasses and offload the collecting and
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processing of sensor data from the main central processing unit. And the iPads still have
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stuff in them you can go for a walk with an iPad and use the app as a pedometer I
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guess I actually don't know it's the I actually don't know if you can't do that
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though right like it has the chip in it but can you actually do that I don't
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know yeah this feels like school yeah say this was like a question for
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underscore you can strap an iPad to your chest running up you could actually
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install a knife a knife oh my god underscore just join the chat we have
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summoned David Smith and apparently it doesn't do step counting. That is one of the craziest
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things that's ever happened. Why did that? David's just like, he's just like lurking
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somewhere. That was such a crazy thing to see. If you say his name, he will appear.
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Can we summon David on demand? Is that how this works?
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Underscore as a service.
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Well, he crushed my dream of strapping an iPad to my chest and using it as a step counter.
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You could still do that and just want to work as a step counter.
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Also I would look like a crazy person but that's a different problem.
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Maybe like an Iron Man type thing.
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Kind of, yeah.
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Myke, tell us what's going on in the UK with Apple Music.
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Oh, I wonder where you were going with that.
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Like in general, I have no idea.
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I can't help you.
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Walk away from that.
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Nobody knows.
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Apple Music is finally available on the Echo in the UK.
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Congratulations.
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I haven't set it up because I decided I actually don't care about having it because I don't want to listen to music on
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my gen 1 echo or an echo dot but
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It's available now
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So I just wanted to follow up on something which is so ridiculous that Amazon takes so long to roll out features to other echo
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Products, but it's now available and you have spent some time with an iPad mini, I believe
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yeah, a friend of mine Thomas at the pen show had it and he brought like the iPad mini and the Apple pencil and
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It's a really great device. I just don't think it has a fit for me like this was basically what you were saying too, right?
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You use it and I if this looked like an iPad Pro
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It would be a very different scenario but like so much of it feels like a step back from what I'm used to
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Yeah, if you are an iPad mini owner
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This is like a no-brainer upgrade totally because it moves super smooth super fast. It looks fantastic, right?
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Like it's got all of the stuff that you love about it and you know, so go for it. Like it's wild like go crazy
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In and the Apple pencil is great on it, but it's the Apple pencil is way too big it just is
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disproportionately
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Bonkers using an Apple pencil that is about as big as the iPad mini like that. It just feels super weird to do that
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But it's you know, it's it's it's available if you want it
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I think it's a good product, but I'm pleased I didn't get one because I just don't I wouldn't use it like
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My multi-pad lifestyle setup is pretty pretty set right now, and I don't need a device like this, but it
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It's definitely a great upgrade for people that want that kind of device in their lives
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So I did also I was talking to a friend of mine
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He says Pontus and he was at the pensioner - and he had an iPod touch
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with him and
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I was holding the iPod touch and was like, oh man, this is such so thin and light and then I remembered
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the fun fact about the thinnest iOS device, which is the new iPad and
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It was funny because Brad had his iPad Pro to put them down on a table next to each other and like that device is
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Thinner than this one, although you'd never believe it. Yeah
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and it's it's like a
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Super fit thin difference like that the difference is like minuscule, but it is possible to see it
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But it's just hilarious when you're holding the iPod touch
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Which is like feels still like this impossibly thin and light but does that it is no longer the thinnest iOS device both new iPads
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Are thinner than it's it's almost as if device thickness is not a problem for USB C like people yeah some people think it is
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They can go thinner and still be USB C on the iPhone just a whole not hope and endless hope
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Well, I mean irrespective of the iPads other phones have USB C. Mm-hmm
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Oh, yeah, maybe Apple have like boxed themselves into a thermal corner with it
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But it is definitely possible to put USB C into phones and this isn't a thing like oh
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I'm not dying for him to do it. I would love them to do it
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But if I have to wait another couple of years, I'll wait another couple of years
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But I would really like to see USB C come to the iPhone at some point. I just I just wanted one
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Cable for everything I had this while traveling this weekend right and a hotel a multi charger and it's like oh
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I have a USB C cable for my iPad and my MacBook but lightning for my phone and yeah
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I think it's like I had like we have all of the downsides of USB C without the major upside
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The only I was thinking about this and it feels to me like the only upside of lightning
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Is that it is the existing connector and hundreds or?
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The only benefit is do not change it because it's going to be annoying.
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And I guess maybe you could argue that if you get a Lightning cable from Apple or one of the MI5 ones,
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it's always going to work irrespective of data transfers or charging rates,
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those kinds of issues that maybe are still a problem with USB-C.
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I feel like they used to be a problem. I feel like the situation has gotten better on that front.
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Everyone knows since we've got USB 2x2 SuperSpeed XFL.
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Yeah, but I feel like now that you know, once you know,
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OK, thick cable means also data transfers, standard cable just means charging.
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Yeah, it's still confusing.
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So you can argue that lining is easier to understand.
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Just get a lightning cable.
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But also the Apple lightning cables are terrible
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because they always break eventually after a few months.
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Like everybody I know complains about the lightning cables.
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everybody. So now thankfully I just saw that Anker launched this week the first MiFi USB-C
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to Lightning cable that's out on amazon.com at least. But really, to me personally, I feel like
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the only benefit of keeping Lightning is keeping Lightning so you don't have to change it. But,
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you know, I would love to have USB-C. Not to the extent though that I've seen some people say
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unless Apple puts USB-C in the next iPhone, I'm not gonna buy the next iPhone.
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I'm not like that. I'm gonna buy the next iPhone, even if it doesn't have USB-C.
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But, you know, one can dream.
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I did just go to Anker's website to get that, to get a link to the cable,
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which I put in the show notes. They actually link straight out to Amazon,
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which is kind of interesting to me. But they had a marketing hashtag, which I like,
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which is #UsernakerInstead, which I just think is really friggin' good.
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That is good.
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That is a brand that understands themselves. Like, their main thing here is like,
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ditch your freebie charges, hashtag use anchor instead. It's very good. I like that.
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It's what people say.
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Yeah, I think that's very clever. I like that. I think that's good work, anchor marketing people.
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Can you do a report on your findings?
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So I'll put a link in the chat room as well.
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This link in the show notes is to a completely shattered Apple Watch Series 4.
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My Apple Watch Series 4.
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Did you finally do the drop test we've all been looking for?
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That's right.
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my YouTube channel, it's not really growing the way I want it to, I should drop some stuff.
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No, no, that's not what happened. So I was on a bike ride yesterday wearing a helmet
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because you should always wear a helmet when you're riding a bicycle. People who don't
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are just asking for trouble.
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Or electric skateboards.
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Or an electric skateboard. Or rollerblades.
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Or a spaceship.
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A spaceship? You should wear a helmet, definitely.
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That's a good one.
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Gravitational boots.
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Not enough people talk about these these days Federico, I'm really pleased that you called
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that out, you know.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Spaceship safety is a real concern.
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We want to get on the record about this.
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We believe in spaceship safety.
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So I was on my road bike and I had a little tumble and I learned a few things.
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One, fall detection on the Apple Watch does work if you crash a bicycle into the ground.
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kind of laying there doing a self-assessment.
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I'm okay, like, I sprained a wrist,
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but that's the worst of it.
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I was kind of checking out, like, am I okay to get up?
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And, 'cause there's no one around, thankfully,
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'cause I'm sure it looked awesome.
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And all of a sudden my watch,
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which I hadn't realized is broken at this point,
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is just going crazy, saying,
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"Hey, it looks like you've taken a hard fall.
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"We're gonna call emergency services
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"and your contact information."
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- How is it alerting you?
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Is it making a sound or like, buzz it?
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Like, what's it doing?
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vibrating way harder and faster than I've ever noticed it doing. I don't know
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if it was making a sound or not actually. I have my watch on silent I just don't
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recall. I'm gonna say yes that it was making a noise but I'm not
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positive. It probably was because if you do the emergency SOS it makes a sound
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even if you don't even if you have it silent. I didn't have my notes app out
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taking notes for the show in this moment as I'm pulling myself together. You're just
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not dedicated enough. I know I'm sorry I'm sorry and so then I pick my wrist up
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and I realized that a my watch is totally shattered and then I say hey yes
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I'm okay please don't call 911 or my wife just gonna end that now and so yeah
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so fall detection works and my watch is broken but I have AppleCare Plus even
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though don't wear this watch every day anymore I do really like it for exercise
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tracking and so I'm like I have an appointment later this week to get it
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uh swapped out. I have never met anybody that breaks as many Apple devices as you
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do. It is unbelievable the amount of stuff that you break. It's true. You were I
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think every iPhone you have owned since I've known you you've had to have
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repaired. I've broken several phones this is also my second watch I've broken.
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Would you describe yourself as a clumsy person? No I just happen to crash a
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a bicycle every 18 months or so. For somebody who like worships computers to the level that
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you do, that you built a shrine. That's the thing, it needs to break them to fully love
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them. If I don't see the insides of them then it just doesn't mean anything. I thought that
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was going a different direction, like as someone who's into computers you're outside a lot,
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I was like well that's kind of harsh. Well that is also true, but like stop trying to
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this better of being like, "Oh, I was exercising." You still, you still, you exercise too hard
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is what happened. Yeah. And then now you have a hole in your watch. And my body. But I did
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break, I did break my original Apple Watch, also working out. So, well that I really wasn't
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working out. It was in the locker at the gym and I dropped it out of the locker. That,
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it's just, your muscles just got so big that it just popped the watch right off, right?
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That's what you're saying.
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Why hasn't Tim Cook shared this story already?
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I don't know.
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Because I'm taking a break from Twitter, so he hasn't seen it, I guess.
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He'll hear it on the podcast, probably.
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So yeah, that's all the story really is.
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Like I said, I'm pretty okay.
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A little banged up, but I'll survive.
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Wear a helmet.
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I would like our listeners to start a petition to please ask you to stop just being so aggressive.
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I mean, there has to be a different type of workout you can do.
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You're always falling off that bike, man.
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Like, just please stop it.
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I've had two crashes in like four years.
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It's a pretty good--
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Well, it's more than zero crashes
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that I've had because I work out at home.
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I think it's time that we need to review our company life
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Oh, it's really good.
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Don't worry.
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Yeah, well, I want to review it.
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I just want to make sure it covers mountain bike accidents.
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I wasn't on the mountain bike.
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I was on the road bike.
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Different things.
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All right, road bikes then.
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It was the first crash on this bike, and I'm sad.
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damage to the bike. Did you break the bike? It's not broken, it's just scraped up and
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I bent a wheel a little bit. Okay. But it'll lift. And the handlebars fell off and the
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seat exploded. Yeah, I mean, I had to take it back to my truck in pieces, but it's fine.
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But it's fine. I have all the pieces, so they're not broken. I did make it back to my car,
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and I'm sure I looked like something really terrible happened, because I'm holding one arm
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against me because my wrist really hurt, and I'm bleeding down my leg. It's like,
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I'm fine. Just carry on with your day. It's totally cool. Anyways, that's enough about me.
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Myke, you have a dilemma to face, and you have come to the right place.
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You are looking to purchase a new television, and I think this is where, if we could use our
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chat room power, we would summon John Syracuse, but he's probably at work. So what are you looking
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for and what like what are your list of needs and maybe we can help you decide
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what you should get. All right. I haven't bought a TV since like 2010 so I'm
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definitely on top of this. Okie dokie. Eurovision's coming up.
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So like how people buy new televisions for the Super Bowl, we're
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thinking, well we're planning to host a little Eurovision party here at a
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mega Cortex cottage or whatever we call this place. So I want to get a new TV.
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We've had our current TV for like two or three years and it's been very good for
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us. We have like a Panasonic something and it has it like it was one of the
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good HDR TVs back when HDR was like starting to happen. But I wanted I want
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to get a bigger TV like we were a bit reserved and we could have a much bigger
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TV than we have and it would still be fine in the room. I think like most
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people, you're always concerned that the TV is going to be too big.
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Right. So I figured there's a lot of interesting stuff happening with HomeKit
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right now in TVs, 4K and HDR is getting better on all of these TVs.
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Plus, we have an event coming up which is very television focused.
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So I want to get a new TV.
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And I don't know.
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I remember having this conversation.
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If you could, if everyone can cast their minds back to when this news started
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breaking around CES, that I said at some point I'm going to get to a point
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where I'm going to need a new TV and I'm not going to have any idea what one to get based
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on all the features that are available.
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And here I am, I'm at that point.
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Because initially I thought the Samsung TVs would be the best ones because they have the
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TV app built into them.
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But I still want to use the Apple TV, so that's not important, right?
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Necessarily to have the TV app.
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Especially now that we know that at some point, we know this now, like the LG TVs and the
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other companies that I don't remember. Can anybody help me? What are the three companies?
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LG, Visio, Sony and Visio, they're all getting the Apple TV app at some point. So the most
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important thing for me then is HomeKit support, right? As well as, obviously if it's a television,
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I want it to be a good television, like good panel, 4K, HDR and all that stuff, but we
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assume that parts are given, right? But what I want to have is the HomeKit support because
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just feels like something that I should go for now. You know what I mean? I feel like
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that is like, oh, there's probably some good stuff in there. I know that you've enjoyed
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at Federico with your like, homebridge setup. So what I basically am looking for is what
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is the best TV panel, which isn't incredibly expensive, that has homekit support?
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OK, so there are some questions that I need you to answer.
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Well, mostly I think it's a matter of taste in terms of certain specifics.
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Like, would you like a TV that has a really good soundbar integrated with it,
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or do you feel like the soundbar is not necessary?
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I hadn't thought about a soundbar before.
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Also, do you want... so you say you can live without the iTunes app, because you're gonna
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use an Apple TV anyway, but you want HomeKit.
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Do you... and here's where my personal taste comes in, I would strongly recommend that
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you get an OLED TV.
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Not just... okay.
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Yeah, I want an OLED TV, because I want to get, like, the best panel that I can get as
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well, right?
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give me the best HDR and stuff.
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All right, so I recommend you read through--
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there's a Digital Foundry article.
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And for those unaware, Digital Foundry
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is like the technical vertical, as they call it,
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like the section of Eurogamer, which
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is this excellent video game website, where
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they do technical analysis of all kinds of video games
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and performance issues and that kind of stuff.
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And they have an article about the best 4K TVs for gaming.
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So if you're going to use this for video games, and I think you are because you love video
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games and you have a PS4 Pro now, you want to get a TV that has very low input latency.
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That would be the time between when you press a button on a controller and when you see
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the action on screen.
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So you want to make sure that you get around 20, 22 millisecond input latency, that kind
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And of course, this article has all the details here that you need to care about.
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Also, you want to check how a panel deals with 1080p content, because not all content is going to be ready in 4K.
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Of course, you have a PS4 Pro, so that's not an issue, but for example with the Nintendo Switch, you're going to play in 1080p.
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So you want to see, is this EV going to do some kind of filtering for 1080p? What kind of upscaling mode it's going to offer?
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And there's of course, you also need to check for example, do you want to have
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What's it called HDR plus or do you want to have Dolby Vision?
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I personally recommend Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos.
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The thing is though, some of these questions, I don't know.
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But that one you just asked me.
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Okay, so my personal advice would be get an LG TV, which also happens to be the top recommendation from
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Eurogamer, the new version of the LG, the C model.
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This one is called the C8.
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I think it should be the 2019 model,
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which has HomeKit integration.
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It's gonna have HomeKit integration,
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and it runs WebOS.
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This TV has-- - Wait, it doesn't have it yet?
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- I don't think it has it yet,
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but LG promised that this is one of the models
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that's gonna get HomeKit via software update.
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- I don't know about that. - The 2019 LG,
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I mean, it's on Apple's website, so, you know.
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- So is AirPower, mister.
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- Hey-o, there it is.
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Somebody ring the AirPower bell.
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- Even if they don't deliver on this,
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you're still gonna have Homebridge,
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but I understand you wanna have the native integration.
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LG promised the 2019 models and beyond
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will have the native HomeKit support.
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This one has Dolby Vision, which is HDR,
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Dolby Atmos, which is a really good sound,
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but I don't think it's got a soundbar built in,
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but I can tell you, Myke.
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It doesn't. People, it's like recommending the Sonos on Amazon's website.
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Okay. I have an LG OLED TV. I have the B line. I have the B7.
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Your TV is amazing.
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It sounds really good. You've seen it. It's a big panel. It looks fantastic. It's super
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fine for gaming. I have an Xbox One X. I have a PS4 Pro and I have a Switch. I looked up
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to this TV and it's beautiful. WebOS, personally, I've seen other Sony and
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Android TVs. I prefer WebOS. It's actually fast, it works okay, and when you're actually
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watching, I don't know if you watch live television, but it's got all these integrations like with
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smart TV stuff that you can use from the remote, it works really great. There are other options.
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I think you could get another Panasonic OLED that's also recommended by Digital Foundry.
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But personally, I don't know Vizio myself. I've never seen or tested the Vizio TV. I
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think Jason has a Vizio, if I'm not mistaken. I think he used to. I think when he changed
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recently he went to someone else. Oh, the TLC. He got a TLC maybe?
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So my recommendation would
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be check out this article and maybe watch some YouTube videos. I remember at the time
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I watch a lot of YouTube reviews before buying the TV that I have, but the LG OLED C8 with
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upcoming HomeKit support would be a good choice for you, I think. Or you can always wait for
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one of these 16K panels that Sony announced.
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Yeah, I'm good.
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That, like, takes up an entire wall.
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I'm good. I'm good. That might be too much. So, like, on Apple's website, it just says
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"LG OLED 2019."
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So we're assuming that this is one of those.
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Yeah, I think the C9 exists, so I'm just gonna say that the...
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Well, just need to double check that the C8 is actually the 2019 version.
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I'm not sure at this point.
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You're making me second guess myself.
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So my recommendation would be get the 2019 LG OLED whenever it comes out, if it's not
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out already.
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I mean, I'm looking at the page and it looks good.
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It's not cheap, but it looks good.
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So this is probably what I'll do then. Really, like, I don't want to do a lot of research.
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What I want to happen is what just happened. You have told me what to do.
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So the C9 exists, by the way, the next version. So I'm guessing that this is the 2019 version.
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I want the C9 then, not the C8. Let's see. Let's see what it says. I'm on
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the web page right now. Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, 4K, yeah, Google. Oh, it's got Amazon
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integration and Google integration. It's got a bunch more stuff than my model.
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So this is the one that I want then, the C9?
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Yeah, I think this is the one from 2019. I will double check real quick for you, but
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yeah, I will go with this one.
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Well, you've got to assume that the C9 is more modern than the C8.
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But then again, TV numbering is just an impossible thing to get your head around.
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9to5Mac, they have an article mentioning...
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This was from March 15th, so about a month ago.
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"LG releasing first 2019 OLED TVs with HomeKit and AirPlay 2,"
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which is also another thing you should care about.
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Yeah, that's kind of what I meant with the HomeKit, it's also the AirPlay 2.
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Next month and the C9 models, yep, 77 inches, 65 and 55.
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This is the one that I want then.
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So this is terrible news then, isn't it?
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Because I can only imagine that a brand new OLED TV that has just been released is very expensive.
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Be sure to buy it with my Amazon affiliate link, please.
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Straight up, that's the one in the show notes.
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I don't think it's on Amazon.
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Yeah dude I'm looking at it right here.
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No but like in the U- we're not in the same country.
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Well you could uh, I could ship it to you.
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Um, if it's of any consolation Myke that's exactly what I paid for my B7 when it was
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Yeah this one isn't even on Amazon in the UK yet.
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I didn't buy an Amazon either.
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I bought it from a store.
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Oh my god that's expensive.
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Well you asked for all the good things.
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Oh, I know, I know, I know. If I want to get all of the current new technology, then that's
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what I'm going to have to deal with, I know. But it's still really expensive.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, think about it. Think about it and, you know, we'll follow up on
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your decision.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to look around. I don't know when I'm going to buy it, but like...
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Break the news very gently to Adina.
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She wants she's interested in a new TV too. I don't know if she's necessarily
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gonna be as interested but I tell her what the price is but yeah. Wow these are
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expensive. Yeah it looks awesome though. Yeah. Yeah I mean I haven't like I said
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I haven't shot for TV in a long time but if I were to have to go buy something
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today I would buy an LG OLED just hands down. It seems like it's the best way to
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ago. Okay. There was a story just this morning, actually from our friend Mr. Rambo at 9to5Mac,
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backing up some stuff that Steve Trout Smith had talked about, I think on Twitter, that the next
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version of Mac OS, you know, so 10.15, would include standalone apps for music, podcasts,
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and TV, as well as a redesign for the books app, which until I read this paragraph, totally forgot
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was on my computer, just like, I just never read in the Apple Bookstore stuff.
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But it seems like these are all going to be using fancy marzipan stuff, which I think
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is to be expected.
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And he's got the icons here, which look very nice.
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And I'm just curious what y'all think about this.
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I mean, we've all sort of poked fun of iTunes for a really long time, for really good reasons.
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And do we think that breaking this out will make sense on the Mac?
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I cannot wait for this to happen, honestly.
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To have a more similar experience on the Mac
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that I get on iOS, to have dedicated apps for podcasts
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and TV and music.
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Like whenever-- every once in a while,
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I test the Apple Podcasts app.
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And eventually, I go back to Overcast
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because of the sound effects and smart speed.
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But whenever I'm testing podcasts
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and I start listening on my iPhone,
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and then I'm using my Mac Mini and I realize,
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oh, I wanna continue listening to this.
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And then I realized, well, I gotta open iTunes.
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I'm like, nope, I don't wanna open iTunes
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and wait for my episodes to sync.
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So I cannot wait for this to happen.
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I'm curious to see what Apple is gonna do
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in terms of iTunes and specifically in terms of managing
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your music library, because I do wonder if those who keep
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a collection of music files, is that feature going to remain
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remain separate from the music app.
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So is Apple gonna do just an Apple Music client
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as a separate Marzipan app,
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or are they going to roll that feature into music?
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- I don't think so.
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I don't think so. - I don't think they will.
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I think they will keep iTunes around
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for this kind of stuff.
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But, you know, one can dream that, you know,
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eventually you will be able, both on the Mac and iOS,
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to actually import MP3s and that kind of stuff
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into your music library.
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but I have a feeling they'll just keep iTunes around and that's about it.
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I think that's what's going to be the case.
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It doesn't match with the business model,
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Like they want you to just use Apple Music because in theory all the music you
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want should be there. If it isn't,
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you are now an edge case and you can use iTunes.
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And I think too, looking at it from like the engineering side of it,
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I think that just getting these apps up on the Mac is a big enough deal for one year.
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So I would imagine the launch versions of these will be more or less what is on the
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iPad now, right?
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That whatever the music app on the iPad does now, either good or bad, will be basically
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what's on the Mac.
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And I think after this, so maybe looking forward two or three years, they could come back and
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if they're going to add quote unquote legacy features to these apps it would be it would
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be then because iTunes will still be around and if you still need those features you could
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just you know dumpster dive the utilities folder and find it if you need it but I would
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imagine for most people just having you know the the Apple music stuff there and I assume
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iTunes match that your match music would be there too again because that's how it is on
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the iPad, that this is how this is going to begin.
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Yeah, because that stuff all lives in the cloud now, right?
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Like it's all up there.
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It's there, right?
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Like you don't need iTunes to listen to iCloud music library
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They're there.
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So yeah, I agree, Federico.
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Like if you are someone who imports MP3s to your iTunes
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library, which I do sometimes, I'll download concerts
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and put them in iTunes.
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That is my guess would be that this app doesn't do that.
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and that if that becomes an important feature,
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that would be added over time.
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But I'm trying to keep my expectations low
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for these apps going in as far as features.
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I do expect them, however, to work better
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than the Marzipan apps we see now
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because they are just garbage in a lot of places.
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I hope they're better than that,
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but to think that this is gonna be
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like a modern take on iTunes,
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maybe a bit of a stretch for day one.
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- You would be fooling yourself to think
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it would be anything more because then it's not a marzipan app is it? Then it's a new app,
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which they haven't done yet, right? Then they're not going to do it. Like this isn't a criticism.
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I think the music app on the iPad is by and large mostly fine, right? Like for what you're going to
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need to do. And we've spoken about some changes that Apple could make to the app, to the services
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in the past, but I think it's mostly fine. Well, I'll tell you what it is. It's better than using
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music in iTunes. I can tell you that. Yeah, like if you like all those people who
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think it's they say garbage would you rather have garbage or just be sad?
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Garbage on fire which is like it's really really bad in iTunes. It's terrible.
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Like just searching searching for music in the iTunes app is abysmal it's like
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such a bad experience so yeah it's gonna be the the iPad version but there is a
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benefit to that, right? And I think that this is one of the intrinsic benefits of Marzipan.
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What it should do, if the Marzipan scheme works well, is it will move these apps forward for
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everyone, right? If Apple consider these iPad apps to be the way that they want Mac apps to be,
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it's going to make these apps better for iPads and Macs.
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Like that's the goal.
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So I think this is I think this is only a good thing.
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And I'm excited. I'm excited about it.
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Well, I think it's good as long as the one feature you need makes it makes it in.
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Right. Or at least they don't make it impossible. Right.
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Like it doesn't matter if you can't load your music files into the music app
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as long as iTunes remains on your Mac somewhere. Yeah. Right.
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It's like GarageBand 6 never went away.
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Yeah, or QuickTime 7 is just going away this year.
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You know, it's yeah, which John and Jason talked about on upgrade this week, but
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That's always the friction here, right?
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Like is this more like a Final Cut situation where the new version is so hampered and things
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People really needed weren't there and everyone freaked out
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Or is the Delta between iTunes and this so great that people are willing to go back to iTunes only when they they need to
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My guess is it's the latter.
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I think the good thing is that you already know though.
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Right? Like if you use music on iOS and are unhappy with it because of a feature that's missing,
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that feature's probably going to still be missing.
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Or if you use music on iOS and you're never like, "Gosh darn it, I can't do this, which I can do on iTunes,"
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if you never have that feeling, then you're going to be fine.
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Because they're going to be the same.
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So it's a little bit different to the Final Cut thing where the Final Cut thing kind of
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came out of nowhere and sideswiped everybody.
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And it's also different because people made their living with Final Cut, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And that made it different, but we already know what music looks like.
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And iTunes is so bad that people are going to be willing to forgive a lot of this, I
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think, if this app works and looks good on the Mac.
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Yeah, iTunes is just old at this point, you know?
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Yeah, but that's the problem with it.
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I guess the only point that I should make is that there's still a bunch of things that
00:42:27
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you can do in iTunes with Apple Music, not necessarily with your own music files.
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Like for example, you can add stuff to smart playlists or you can inspect more information
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about songs, that kind of stuff that you can do in iTunes for Apple Music that you cannot
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do in music on iOS.
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So it would be nice to have a least feature parity for the Apple Music experience as it
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is right now in the future music app for Mac.
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But as you mentioned I think I'll be fine even if they just remove a couple of features
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and maybe eventually they bring those back.
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Yeah I think stuff like that is probably gonna go away.
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Because they feel like, you know, again like niche features.
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And they're only features really that exist because iTunes had them.
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You know, so like it's just, it's probably easier to have Apple Music songs respect those
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features than it is to remove them.
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They haven't added them in music.
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Like smart playlists are cool, but you know what people think is cooler now?
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You know, like just in general, curated playlists.
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Playlists made by artificial intelligence.
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That's what people want to give you now, whether you want smart playlists or not.
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And the Get Info thing is like, that is like a Federico Vittucci special, you know what
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Like that's something that you really love and I get that.
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But like that is, I just don't think that's a thing that people are like, "Oh, who produced
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Let me, let me go to Get Info on my Mac and find out."
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You know what I mean?
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Well, I don't care personally because I keep my library in Plex, but yeah, I get it.
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Weird Plex, but okay.
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Oh my God, I love you.
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That's so good.
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The books bit of this is interesting too.
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Again, this has been on the Mac now since Mavericks, I think.
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But it looks like a reworked version of books.
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Again, my assumption is Mars in pain here,
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even though the article is a little--
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Remember Mavericks?
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Yeah, the wave.
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What was that all about?
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That was weird.
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What was that?
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It was the last version of the old UI.
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What was new in Mavericks?
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Maps, maybe?
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Yes, all those apps.
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512 pixels, mavericks review.
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Maverick? Oh was it the one? No that was not it.
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With the new UI for opening and saving files with iCloud?
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No that was Lion I think.
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Is it called Books on Mojave or is it iBooks?
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Because I'm running High Sierra still.
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You're still running High Sierra?
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Even though I'm getting these like
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undismissable notifications now about upgrading to Mojave.
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You should just upgrade, it's totally fine.
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Yeah, I will, I just haven't.
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Like, at this point, it's just I'm on High Sierra for inertia,
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like rather than fear because I have Mojave on my Mac Mini.
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So Mavericks brought iBooks and maps and some updates to other things.
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Anyways, nothing wild.
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It did get rid of the the leathering calendar, so that was good.
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It's a good change.
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Back to the topic at hand, this new version of books will have support for
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audiobooks and have basically like a separate book and audiobook store which
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I think makes sense and yeah kind of bringing it up to up to speed. I said
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earlier I just don't ever use Apple Books for anything. I mean I've got it and
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I probably have a few things in there but I've been on the Kindle for a really
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long time. I just wonder how many people are reading books on their Mac. This is
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important or maybe audiobooks is... I feel like it's like a reference thing like
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when you're working right that you like you've maybe read it on your iPad and
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then you have your notes and then you're sitting down at your Mac and you've got
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your notes up right as opposed to like it I also find it like an interesting
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thought of somebody sitting on their MacBook and reading a whole novel like
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that just seems less than ideal for me unless it's your only device that you
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have right that has the bigger screen so you want to use that but I don't imagine
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that it is an incredibly high use case but like would be good for like would be
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good for reference stuff the adding of audiobooks is even funnier to me because
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I really can't imagine somebody listening to an audiobook sitting on a
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Mac just sitting at your laptop listening yeah that one seems even
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harder to me than then like ebooks but to each their own you know it's probably
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the same people will play games on a Mac. So those people don't exist. Some of them.
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All right. So there is a
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Kickstart the campaign which is of it is of interest
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To us and people that use iPads a lot. It is something called the touch type Pro
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And it is a kind of folio case that enables you to easily use a Apple Magic keyboard via
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a Bluetooth connection with the iPad Pro.
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And this Kickstarter campaign launched yesterday, I think.
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But our friend, Mr. Federico Vittucci, has a prototype model of this device.
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So we're going to talk about it.
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I think it's a production, early production unit.
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looks finished. There's a logo and everything.
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So yeah, so the Kickstarter is run by a guy called Salman Sajid, who made a product years
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ago called the Touch Type back in 2012, which was again, pretty much a very similar thing,
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right? Like to be able to use a magic keyboard, I think it was a magic keyboard with an iPad.
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But now it's like more of even more of a thing than it was before, right? Because keyboard
00:50:18
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cases are a much more well known thing.
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And I've been doing a little bit of digging into the Kickstarter campaign.
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So I was wondering, the timeline on this campaign is pretty aggressive,
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like with delivery in August.
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And I thought that that was interesting.
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But I took a look through the Q&A and the kind of risks and challenges section.
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And it seems like they have already
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paid for the production molds and stuff like that.
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Or at least have gone through making prototypes as well as working with manufacturers.
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So that would suggest to me that they may be pretty far down the line.
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However, I will say this is a Kickstarter campaign.
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And I will just say that I think August seems pretty aggressive.
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So you've got to always know it doesn't matter if Federico has an incredible prototype that's perfectly made.
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There could be a problem that makes this stuff delayed.
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I'm not saying that there will be, but Kickstarter is Kickstarter and sometimes stuff is very
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It's always possible.
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That said, go check out the campaign.
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There's a video, there's a bunch of animated gifs that you can see to get an idea.
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It's a very well put together Kickstarter campaign page.
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And I've been using this thing for two weeks, I think, at this point.
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I've used it mostly at home for reasons that I will mention shortly.
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I've also tested it in my car because I spend a bunch of time every week waiting in the
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car and I need to be able to use the iPad there.
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So this is kind of peculiar for an iPad accessory.
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The way that this works is there's a folio case as you mentioned, so you put the iPad
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into this plastic case.
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That's kind of like what Logitech is doing in that you put the iPad into this plastic
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actually not a terrible experience because there's a the top side as a long
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opening to make sure that you can charge the pencil so that makes it easier to
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put it into the case and get it out of the case. And also to put it in and
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leave it there, like not be bothered that it's left there because you can still
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charge the pencil and stuff like that right like you're more willing to want to keep it.
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Yeah so exactly so the entire basically the entire top side when using
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landscape is free, so you can charge the pencil and it's gonna be fine. But attached to the
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case is this folding cover that, when it's closed, it wraps around the iPad and also
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there's this final part of the cover that is actually like this folding, kind of like
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a folding flap, that actually also covers the pencil. So when everything is closed,
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It covers the pencil too, keeps the pencil in place, and it ensures that when you put
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everything in your bag, for example, you will not find the pencil at the bottom of your
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So it will secure and protect the pencil, and it actually works.
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But this cover, as we've seen with other iPad Folio covers before, also acts as a kickstand
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of sorts in that when you place it on a desk the cover basically folds and creates like
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a stand in the back of the iPad. Now the Magic Keyboard, the way that it plays into all of
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this, is kind of ingenious in that there's a separate case for the Magic Keyboard. So
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you put the Magic Keyboard, the second generation model, not the old one, into the case. The
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The case has this flexible magnetic attachment that reminds me a little of the old Razer
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keyboard for the first generation iPad Pro.
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It's got this flexible attachment that uses magnets to attach to the bottom of the iPad
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So the Magic Keyboard is attached magnetically to the front of the iPad.
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cover, the main cover, you lay it down flat on your desk, you put the Magic Keyboard on
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top, and both inside the cover and into the Magic Keyboard case there's magnets, and they
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create this kind of like a train track system where like you can slide the Magic Keyboard
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onto this cover to adjust the viewing angle of the iPad. So the cover combined with the
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Magic Keyboard, they make the iPad stand upright, and thanks to magnets you can adjust the angle.
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So you can make it...
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And also I guess one of the benefits of this one as opposed to the Razer keyboard is that
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the case extends so that even the Magic Keyboard when it's connected to the iPad is supported
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by the case underneath, right? So it's probably easier to use on your lap because the Razer
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keyboard, it just wanted to fall apart all the time.
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Yeah, because the kickstand was an actual kickstand metal in the back.
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So there was nothing supporting the connection between the keyboard and the iPad case.
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Yeah, and really it's one of those things you just gotta take a look at the picture
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and the video to get an idea because when you describe it in words it's just a bunch
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It's complicated.
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It's really easy to understand once you see it.
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And I guess there's also, what also makes it unique is that if you don't want to use
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the Magic Keyboard of course you can detach it because it attaches via magnets.
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of course, does not use the smart connector.
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This is all Bluetooth.
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The Magic Keyboard is a Bluetooth keyboard.
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So you can detach it and use it.
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For example, you can keep the iPad on your table
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and use the Magic Keyboard on your lap if you wish to do so.
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But also what you can do if you're done working,
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for example, and you wanna put everything away,
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you can fold the Magic Keyboard behind the iPad.
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So between the iPad and the case,
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You can hide the Magic Keyboard beneath the iPad,
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then close the cover, and you end up
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with this integrated, unique package
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that looks like a sandwich.
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It's like iPad, keyboard, cover, everything together.
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Of course, it adds a bunch of weight and bulk to the iPad.
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It's a little bulky, yeah.
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It's a little bulky and heavy, but if that
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is no concern for you, it actually works as advertised.
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you're gonna keep the iPad, the Magic Keyboard,
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and the Pencil, and this case, all close together.
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You can throw it in a bag and forget about it.
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Now, I believe that this accessory
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is mostly a desk accessory.
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I don't think, well, this is not as portable
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as the Smart Keyboard Folio.
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For, first of all, because it's much heavier,
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there's a, I saved this comparison.
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So the 12.9 inch iPad with the Smart Keyboard Folio is £2.3.
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The iPad Pro with the upcoming Brydge keyboard is going to be £2.96.
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The Touch type is £3.4.
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Well there's two plastic cases.
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Both of them have magnets inside.
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And there's this long cover that folds to act as the surface for the Magic Keyboard
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and that also becomes a folio for the iPad when everything is closed.
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I would have just assumed a big chunk of aluminium that is the Bridge Keyboard would be heavier.
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It's just a surprise to me to see those.
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Because that's like significant.
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It's like half a pound heavier.
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That also includes the Magic Keyboard though.
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Well sure, but the Bridge has the keyboard in it too.
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Okay, keyboard.
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Well, it's a bunch of plastic and it adds weight to the entire package.
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There's some caveats that I should mention.
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I think it's a bit...
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I think the sliding system to adjust the viewing angle, so you gotta hold the Magic Keyboard
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and slide it on top of the cover, so basically the cover becomes this surface.
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It's a bit awkward in that you gotta pay attention to what you do, so what I do is I grab the
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the keyboard with both hands and slide it, but I get a, you know, it's quite easy to
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detach the Magic Keyboard from the iPad case. So that can be a bit awkward.
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That just feels like with a lot of this stuff, this is just one of those things that you
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just get used to and get better at over time.
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Yes, I agree. Yeah, you get used to it. What else? Well, of course, the Magic Keyboard.
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You know, we talked about it before. It's got media keys, so that's convenient, but
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it doesn't have all the media keys shortcuts that you get, for example, from the Logitech
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like home button or search, you know, that kind of stuff does not have that.
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It's only got, you know, controlling playback, for example. It's not backlit and it's Bluetooth.
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So if those are important reasons for you to get a different keyboard, you should consider
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the slim folio that we talked about last week from Logitech. But what I do like is that
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I'm a fan of the Magic Keyboard myself. And if you're looking to integrate the Magic Keyboard
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with the iPad Pro, I think this is... and if you're willing to accept that this is
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mostly going to be a desk device, because of the weight concerns and because it becomes
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a really bulky package, you know, when you close it all together. I'll try and have a
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picture in the show notes. It's thick and, you know...
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Let me ask you though, like, how comfortable and easy is it to use on your lap?
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I think it's... hmm... I think it's better on...
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Compared to the Smart Folio.
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Well, I think the Smart Folio is better on your lap because there's fewer moving parts.
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For a desk, I think it's so much better because you're getting a better keyboard and because
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everything is a bit more stable on the desk.
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I think it's fine on your lap.
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I don't think it's terrible.
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I still think the Smart Keyboard Folio is better because there's fewer moving parts.
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I've been using it mostly at my desk or at the kitchen table, and I like it because I
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can type faster on the Magic Keyboard than the Keyboard Folio.
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I think I've told you that.
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All right, so let me ask you about that with the desk then.
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So I use a stand and a Magic Keyboard.
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Is that not better than a case and a Magic Keyboard?
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So by "with a stand" you mean like something that increases the height of the i
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which is one of the many stands that I found, and this was one that I liked the most.
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And with that, I have height adjustment as well as angle adjustment.
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And I can then use the Magic Keyboard.
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OK, so with this thing you're still going to have to look down,
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because it doesn't adjust the height of the iPad Pro.
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I guess I should mention that because of the opening of the case on the longer side, you
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can remove the iPad from the case and put it in portrait mode.
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There's a photo of this I think or maybe it's shown in the video.
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It makes me very nervous it's going to topple over.
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This is not a replacement for that kind of setup, so if you need height adjustment to
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prevent things like neck strain for example. I think you should stay with
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your setup mic because if you look down for several hours you're gonna feel that.
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And also the difference when you use a stand you need to reach for the
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screen. With this thing I feel like it's a bit more comfortable because you can
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keep your elbows on the table and just touch the iPad. I think it's a bit easier
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maybe than just using a vertical stand? I don't know.
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So with this thing you're gonna have to look down,
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because it doesn't adjust the height of the iPad Pro.
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So for your personal use case, I would suggest not to get this thing?
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Yeah, this product is not for me at all.
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Just like in talking to you, it's like,
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it's too heavy for me to want to carry around with me,
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and it looks like super bulky,
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because it's got the Magic Keyboard, which is a thick thing.
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and then at home it's not gonna provide me with what I want anyway because I
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don't I'm at you know I'm trying to reduce the amount of time that I'm
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sitting at a desk and looking down I want to have to be able to look in front
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of me I just find that more comfortable and I find that like using the Apple
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pencil like I can mostly keep my arms on the table anyway I just reach up and
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just have something yeah this I can see the appeal of this product for some
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people but I don't think that this one's to me. It also is part of like I don't
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love this the Magic Keyboard. I don't like love the Magic Keyboard like it's
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fine. It's no I do like it. It is interesting this case is the newest in a
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long line of products that try to marry the iPad and like Apple's Bluetooth
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keyboard there was the EnCase Origami workstation back forever ago Amazon
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told tells me I purchased it in 2012 that you know is the keyboard snapped
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into it and the original iPad went into it. Studio Neat did the canopy which like
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kind of doesn't work with modern iPads really well with the thin bezels. I wish
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it did like you kind of have to like set something in there so the bottom isn't
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below the keyboard and like I wish there were some. How does this thing do with
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that? Oh it's totally fine. Okay. Because the case is thicker at the bottom. There's a separation as well between the two, right?
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There's a separation also, the plastic case on the bottom edge is thicker and wider so
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that it sort of extends the iPad a bit more vertically so that the home indicator does
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not interfere with the Magic Keyboard.
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But also there's a distance between them because there's the attachment, so it's totally fine.
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I like it myself, despite the...
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It's nice that... because I travel just once a week now, not twice a week, I mostly work
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with the iPad Pro when I'm at home these days, and so it's nice that I can just open this,
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get work done for five, six hours, close everything, and charge via USB-C, and I never have to
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take out the individual parts.
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When I travel I use the Smart Keyboard Folio, or if I want to type on my lap I use the Smart
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Keyboard Folio, which as I confessed I think last week I've been using more.
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My recommendation would be, if you love the Magic Keyboard and if you use your iPad Pro
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at a desk, and if you like this idea of integrating the two in a single package, I think you should
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consider this one.
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There's other ways that you can use the Magic Keyboard with an iPad Pro, but I think none
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of them are as, you know, putting together all both parts, the iPad Pro and the Magic
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They do that as well as this one does.
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As I mentioned, it can be a bit awkward to adjust the viewing angle and you're still
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going to be stuck with Bluetooth so you don't get the simplicity of the Smart Keyboard Folio.
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But if you work at a desk, I think it's a very clever idea and I think it's very well
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Yeah, so go check out the Kickstarter campaign and make sure to take a look at the video
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and the pictures to get a better idea whether this is for you or not.
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I think it is a very good idea with a lot of really interesting details.
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I think the magnetic stuff in the case is really good because you get almost infinite
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degrees of you can find what works just right for you.
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But like this just isn't for my personal ergonomic needs, but that doesn't mean
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that it's not for yours.
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Right. Like if you're sitting and using the Smart Folio all day, every day,
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sitting at a desk, maybe this is a better option than that one.
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But if you're like me as somebody who's trying to use the Smart Folio less when
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I'm working, this isn't going to give me what I want.
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Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
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this is not for you, but I bet there's a bunch of people out there who like the Magic Keyboard
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or maybe just own the Magic Keyboard, don't want to buy another keyboard, and they could
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consider this case to sort of integrate the two of them together in a better way than
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other solutions right now. So if you're that type of person, I say go check out the campaign,
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watch the video, and then maybe consider the 12.9 inch version or the 11 inch version,
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And I think I saw on Reddit that if you order the 11" version and then later change your
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mind you can still swap it for a 10.5" version for the old iPad Pro.
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There's a, I think there's an FAQ about this somewhere.
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So yeah, go check out the campaign, watch the video, make sure that you also watch the
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GIFs because they really do give you an idea of how this works.
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And now I feel super fresh, funky, and cool with my new glasses.
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You can also check out the Warbree Parker app.
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They've built an awesome home trial and companion.
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And if you have the iPhone 10 or a phone with face ID, you can use the brand new find your
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fit feature.
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So it uses the iPhone's true depth camera to map and measure key facial features.
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And it recommends like a dozen or so frames that are likely to be the best fit for your
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It's like an AR experience that is actually pretty cool.
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can see the glasses on and turn your head and it tracks. It's really pretty fun. It's
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time to upgrade your glasses experience. Go to warbyparker.com/connected and order your
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free home try-ons today. Thank you so much to Warby Parker for their support of this
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show and Relay FM.
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All right, so we're going to talk now about an article that Federico published today about
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using the Luna Display. Now, Luna Display are a previous sponsor and a future sponsor
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of this show. They do not know that we're talking about this today, nor have they paid
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us to have this conversation. Everything we speak about today is outside of any previous
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arrangement we have of them. Understandably, if you want to take this conversation with
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a grain of salt, that's fine. But this discussion is as unbiased as we can make them, but everyone
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has biases. Bias is a thing. You have to accept that bias exists. But so like, I just want
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to say all of that. We're going to talk about what it's like to use this thing. It's probably
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gonna sound like some of the stuff we've been talking about when we've done ads, because
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in the ads we talk about how we use it. But this is not sponsored content, there's nothing
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more I can say than that, but we're just gonna talk about this article.
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This Luna is also sponsored by my website and my podcasts, but as I said, as I wrote
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in the article, this is entirely based on my opinion of the Luna display that I bought
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myself. I didn't tell them, they had no idea I was working on this article, so you can
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trust us or not, but personally I can say that this is entirely based on what I've been
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doing myself for the thing that I bought and that I paid for. So that's it for the disclaimer,
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thank you Myke. So yeah, what do you guys want to know about the article that I published?
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Well I think there's a few things which is interesting to me. We are using this device
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in some similar ways but slightly differently. So like I use mine with my Mac completely
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headless, there's no monitor attached to my Mac.
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- Oh, really?
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- Yeah, yeah, and I can maybe talk about some of the ways
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that I deal with the problems that you've had,
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or like the things that you've seen
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which haven't worked very well for you.
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Like for example, one of them, so like today,
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for some reason, the lunar display wouldn't connect.
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Like the Mac had restarted, I don't know why it did that.
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But I use screens then to log into the Mac to log in,
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so I don't need to connect to a monitor.
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And that's just because your Mac Mini serves a purpose
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as an actual machine that you are using
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to record podcasts on when mine doesn't.
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It's like home server and media stuff
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and we're trying to do more and more with it.
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So there's a difference there,
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but I just don't need it attached to a monitor,
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so that works pretty well for me.
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I think one of the key parts of this
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is the thing that I love so much too,
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is the idea of having macOS as an app, an iOS app,
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basically and the flexibility that that gives you.
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Like, because there are things that are easier and can be done way faster on a Mac than there
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I don't think I've ever said anything to the contrary.
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So it's really good to have something like that and I feel like that's kind of where
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So I was just wondering like, what are you doing with the Mac that you weren't doing
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of iOS that you've kind of moved with using the Luna Display? Like why do you need this
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Okay, that's a good question. I feel like there's not necessarily things that I cannot
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do on iOS if I wanted to. There's things that I, now that I have a Mac that is faster than
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the one that I used to have and it's easier to use in that it's always on, I just need
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to sit down and press a key on the keyboard to wake it, I think it's just easier for me
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to do those things on the Mac Mini when I'm home. There's also things that I was not doing
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before, like running a Plex library or running a Homebridge server that I was not doing before
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because I didn't have a Mac Mini server, I had a MacBook Pro. So now that I have those,
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I want to be able to manage them. But to give you some actual examples, besides Plex and
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Backblaze and iTunes, which I use a lot in terms of iTunes is the only app that can be
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controlled with automation.
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If you want to have scripts to deal with connecting to AirPlay speakers, for example, there's
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no automation support for AirPlay on iOS, for the iOS music app.
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But with iTunes you can create scripts that allow you to play specific playlists in specific
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modes on specific speakers. And I've wrote about these shortcuts before, so that's something
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that I do. But also, things that I could do on iOS, but that I prefer to do on the Mac
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whenever possible, downloading files from Safari. I mentioned a few weeks ago, I think,
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I had to download a few gigabytes of different zip files from the website.
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Yeah, and I could have used iCab.
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It's just easier to use Safari on the Mac, because it's got a download manager.
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You just click the links and you download a bunch of files and you can see the progress.
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And that's it.
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Or for whatever reason, you gave me this tip Michael, I think a few months ago.
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If you try and copy rich text from Evernote on iOS and paste that text in Google Docs
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on iOS, it'll lose all of your formatting. If you copy rich text from Evernote on the
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Mac and paste it in Safari, Google Docs, on the Mac, it keeps the exact same formatting
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that, you know, rich text, all your lists, all your indentation, everything is fine.
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Because rich text just does not work on iOS.
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Although as we know, it's worse if you try and have Zapier do that pasting for you, right?
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It is worse because I tried...
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Federico set up an automation, as he sometimes will do recently, where he would be able to
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send something from Evernote to Google Docs via a Zapier action of some description. Zapier
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is the IFTTT on steroids, basically. For reasons unknown to everybody, when this would happen,
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it would paste in the formatted text correctly from Evernote, but remove the formatting of
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everything else in the document. And this is one of those funny things where I say to
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Federico "I think your script has broken everything" and he's like "there's no way it could do
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that" and I was like "I understand, but let's look at this together" and then he's like
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"oh" and I don't know if you ever found out why that happened but like there was a link.
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I told Zapier, I told them, and their response was you know, that was, I mean I love Zapier
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but that was kind of annoying, like, "I'm a paying customer and if you know how much
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Zapier costs, you know, it's not cheap." And the response was to the extent of "Yeah, we're
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aware of this, can you go through this form and send us a bunch of details about all that
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you did?" It's like, you know, I understand what these processes are like, but can't you
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just look in my account and do it for me? Because I really don't have the time to sit
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down and file a radar essentially for Zapier. Anyway, I love Zapier, maybe they'll figure
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it out without my help because I forget about these things. Anyway, so they know, but I
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don't know what the problem is, but they do, apparently. So anyway, the article that
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I published is this idea of using the Luna Display on my iPad Pro to access the Mac Mini
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and therefore Mac OS when I need it.
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But trying to find ways to optimize this experience
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and sort of making it easier and faster
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and a bit more flexible maybe to use Mac OS on the iPad
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through the Luna Display.
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So little scripts, little shortcuts,
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little enhancements that I come up to make it better
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than the default experience, I think.
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That would be, yeah.
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One of the things that I found really fascinating was the accessibility keyboard.
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Which I didn't even know existed.
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Yeah, so I think this was something that I discovered last year.
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And, you know, I always put off those things that you're like,
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"Yeah, one day I'm going to experiment with this."
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So the idea is that there's a whole suite of accessibility features on Mac OS and iOS.
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But on Mac OS, one of them is the accessibility keyboard.
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which by default is an on-screen QWERTY keyboard.
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It's a standard keyboard for folks with physical and motor impairments
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that want to be able to type, but using an on-screen keyboard rather than a physical keyboard.
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What's great about this is that, as many accessibility features always do,
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it goes beyond the traditional realm of accessibility
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because it allows you to customize the entire thing for whatever need you may have.
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And what you can do with the Accessibility Keyboard is create multiple panels.
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They're called panels, these keyboards.
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And there's a free app that is built and available right on your Mac called Panel Editor.
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And it lets you design your own keyboard.
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It lets you design your own custom on-screen keyboard that can be a standard keyboard
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keyboard or can be just a collection of buttons. And those buttons you create,
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it looks like an image editor, you have a grid, you have a canvas,
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and you can create these buttons. And to each button you can assign a label, you
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can modify the size, but then you can assign an action so that when it's
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clicked it does something. And there's a collection of built-in actions like
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system actions like "raise the volume" or "mute the volume" or like "type a
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a letter for example, but there's also actions like "run an Apple script".
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And that's when things got interesting for me, because what I wanted to have was...
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So I was using the Lunar Display on the iPad Pro and I realized there's a bunch of actions
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that I could do easily on a Mac with the media keys for example of the Magic Keyboard, but
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when I'm on the iPad Pro with the Lunar Display and the Smart Keyboard Folio, because I didn't
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have the touch type at the time. But just, wouldn't it be nice if I had some kind of
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launcher to do things more quickly, just by tapping them? Sort of like having a floating
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Launch Center Pro was my idea. Like, is it possible to have a thing that is always on
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screen that lets me tap buttons to execute actions? And I tried a bunch of things like
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keyboard maestro palettes or like having persistent launchers on the desktop. And then I remembered
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about the accessibility keyboard. And so I designed this shortcuts bar, is my nickname.
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It's like a row of buttons that do things like pause iTunes or mute system sounds or
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open the iCloud drive folder in the finder. And so that was really interesting in putting
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this together and it brought me back to using AppleScript and going crazy over the limitations
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and the little idiosyncrasies of AppleScript.
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But that was fun, it was a fun learning experience, this idea of you can design your own keyboard
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panel and you can make any action that you want using these built-in suggestions or just
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using your own AppleScript stuff.
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I think it's super fascinating. And then when you start putting like BetterTouchTool
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and then you've got it like moving all the windows around and stuff, it's like a really
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interesting way of doing it.
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Yeah, that was my other problem in that my Mac Mini is always connected to the UltraFine
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display. And when you connect via Luna Display, by default it becomes the secondary display,
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and this is called the extended desktop mode on macOS. The problem is the primary display
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on the Mac is where all your apps and your desktop icons, they show up first by default.
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So when you open an app, by default it goes to the primary display, and then you need
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to move it to the secondary display.
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My problem was, of course, I'm using a secondary display from another room, I'm not necessarily
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in front of the Mac Mini, so that I have my trackpad, but I want to use macOS from the
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kitchen table and the Mac Mini is in the bedroom. So how can I move these windows back and forth
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between displays? And of course one solution will be just unplug the cable of the ultrafine
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so that the Luna display becomes the primary display by default. But I don't want to remember
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to unplug and replug every single time. So I struggled with this for a long time. I came
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across some system modifications to let you automate switching displays, but that required
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disabling SIP on Mojave, system integrity protection, and really didn't want to do that.
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Yeah, that's a bad idea.
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All kinds of nasty things could happen, so I don't want to do that. So I sort of gave
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up on the idea of finding a way to automate display switching, which is not possible on
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the Mac, and I realized, well, maybe I just need to figure out how to make working with
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secondary display better and faster. And BetterTouchTool is this utility that all kinds of people use
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for all kinds of different things. For example, John Boris, we do app stories together. He
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customized BetterTouchTool completely to access certain Logic Pro, it's called Logic Pro 10,
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the new version, but Logic shortcuts, Logic actions. And one of the categories, yeah,
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One of the categories of actions the BetterTouch tool has is Window Control.
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You can shuffle windows back and forth between displays, you can resize them, you can actually
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give them exact pixel coordinates to do window resizing.
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Combining all of that with the accessibility keyboard, the idea of, I can now just open
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the iPad, log into Luna Display, move all my windows from the ultra-fine 2D iPad's
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display, and now I have a reasonably efficient Mac OS environment where I have keyboard shortcuts
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to resize my windows, I have visual shortcuts to do things like opening the Finder or muting
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system sounds, because my Mac main is always streaming audio to the HomePod, or hiding
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the Luna Display window that always comes up and it's so annoying, or showing hiding
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the dock, you know, all these things.
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So this combination of keyboard shortcuts and visual shortcuts, it's a really fascinating
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way to get work done, because it's like you have Mac OS on your iPad, and it works well
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enough because you can use both the pencil and the keyboard for inputs, but it's still
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an app, so you can sort of use it on demand just when you need it, and I don't have to
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sit down, you know, go necessarily to another room and sit down and switch contexts. I can
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just, you know, I need to do something on my Quest for two minutes, I can just stay
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at the kitchen table and do it from the iPad.
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And there are software, complete software-based solutions, right, like Duet and AirDisplay
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But I will say from my own experience, they both work perfectly fine.
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They do work, yeah.
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But the Luna Display is a much better experience. The lag is definitely better, the image quality is definitely better.
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And I find this, you said this in your article, when using the Luna Display, sometimes it feels like the Mac is just native.
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I forget sometimes that I'm sitting and looking at an iPad. It works very, very, very well.
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very well and I found the other stuff it works but it doesn't work as well as I
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would want. It's like it's 70% there and the Luna is like 90% there and
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at those levels you can tell the difference in image quality and
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just the general smoothness and yes I've tried you know I have a 2018 fully
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spec'd Mac Mini, well not fully spec'd but reasonably spec'd Mac Mini with like
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16 gigs of RAM and the better CPU option. I have a mesh Wi-Fi,
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5 gigahertz network, it's really good Wi-Fi, so I've tried those apps before, but the latency and
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the image quality and the image artifacts and various glitches, they were like... I could use
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those apps, but compared to the lunar display, I prefer the nicer experience, even if it requires
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buying a separate accessory.
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But yeah, it was a fun learning experience really to just dive back into the world of
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Keyboard Maestro and AppleScript and BetterTouchTool and the accessibility stuff.
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And I guess what I tried to say in the conclusion of the article was that maybe someday we will
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have this kind of Apple laptop that can do... it's got the app ecosystem of iOS and the
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intuitive interactions of iOS, but also this idea that you can personalize everything and
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that you get access to these really technical and really powerful apps and utilities such
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Maybe one day there will be a thing that you can buy and actually it runs on Apple OS,
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But until that happens, and I reckon it'll be a while, this mixed sort of hybrid environment,
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it works pretty well.
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Now, you can do this via VNC software, you can do this with other wireless display apps
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like Duet and Air Display.
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Yeah, like all of the stuff that Federico is talking about, you don't need a lunar display
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Like, to be able to use the Better Touch Tool stuff, the accessibility keyboard stuff, right?
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That's all running on the Mac.
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It's just like what is your portal to it?
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I use this stuff when I'm using the Mac physically in front of my Mac Mini as well.
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Like, I have the accessibility keyboard shown in front of me right now,
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and I have BetterTouchTool keyboard shortcuts set up for the Mac, for the Ultrafine display.
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So all of these things, you can use them.
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You know, you don't need...
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But it is, you know, a strong personal preference from both of us that the best experience,
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the most native feeling experience is the Luna display to do it.
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You know, yeah, and I, you know, I like nice things, like the best options and, you know,
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it's just the image quality that you get with the Luna, it's just, you know, something that
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I prefer. But yeah, so it was fun to write about Mac stuff again, for sure.
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It's like a story, you wrote like a story about the Mac.
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What could you call that website?
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Yeah, well, that's a good domain name.
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Starymax.com.
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Now that I've done this, because it was like two months late, I'm going back to more traditional
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iPad stories, hopefully before WWDC.
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So we'll see.
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There's kind of a no big deal, but like a 10-year anniversary coming up next week.
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So after that, it's all wrapped.
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- It's all wrapped. - It's next week?
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- Yeah. - Wow.
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- We have a lot of things planned at Max Stories.
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It'll be the 10-year anniversary.
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So I usually don't like these kinds of self-celebrations,
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but it's 10 years, we're doing a few things.
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So starting Monday, that'll be things on Max Stories.
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But yeah, after that, it's all.
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- You'll be happy to know
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that I just registered storymax.com.
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- Thank you, otherwise somebody else would have.
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- I will direct to your website.
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- Thank you, Storymax.
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But yeah, so after that, I will be back
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to traditional iPad coverage for a while.
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So this was fun though, it was really fun.
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- I think that about does it.
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If you want to find links and stuff we talked about,
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including Federico's awesome article about this,
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lunar display, Mac, iPad, hybrid madness,
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head over to the website, relay.fm/connected/238.
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I'd like to mention too, we have a handful of tickets left
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to our WODC show, so if you haven't bought a ticket
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and you're gonna be in San Jose that first week of June,
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we'd love to have you at the show,
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so that link will be there as well.
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- We're about 90% sold out, so there's not many tickets left
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If you're gonna be there, you want one.
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It's "now's your time." That's what you're saying.
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Yeah, and you want to be there, because my surprise is complete.
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And just waiting for this event to happen.
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-Really worries me. -The anxiety that I feel.
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-It's just palpable. -I'm now in the planning stages
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for how the surprise will be revealed.
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There will be games involved.
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You know, the audience will participate actively in this, so you want to be there, trust me.
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It's, uh, you know, putting a lot of work into this. Don't worry, it's all safe content. It's all,
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you know, all safe and funny and in good spirits. Do we have to wear helmets? No, no, but you will
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also, you two will participate but in a different way than the audience, so you'll see. That's the
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That's the part I'm scared about.
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This is what I'd assumed.
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I will not ask you to jump off a platform like FieldShooter.
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That's good.
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Our insurance doesn't allow that anyways.
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You can get in touch with us via email if you have feedback or follow up.
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There's a link there on the sidebar on the webpage.
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Or you can find us on Twitter.
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You can follow Federico there as Vitiici.
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And as we mentioned, Federico's site, MaxStories, turns 10 next week.
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I've gotten a sneak peek at some of the stuff that's being planned and you don't want to
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It's going to be a lot of fun.
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You can go to storymax.com or iosstories.net.
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Both of those websites will take you to Federico's website.
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That is my gift to you on your 10th anniversary is to redirect iosstories.net back to you.
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That's good.
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I was going to Casey's site before, I think.
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It was going to my own site was where I was going. It's going to my color
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You know Myke was right calm was where it went to but now it goes it goes to where it should
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Good that feels that feels right to me
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You can find Myke on Twitter as I am y ke and Myke is the host of a whole lot of shows
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here on relay FM
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You can find me there as is m/h and I write 512 pixels dotnet
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Like to thank our sponsors this week FreshBooks Squarespace and Warby Parker and until next week gentlemen say goodbye
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How do we ditch you cheerio adios?