The Accidental Tech Podcast

181: Eat Your Vegetables


00:00:00   goodness John how was your trip to Long [TS]

00:00:03   Island just lovely [TS]

00:00:06   do you like the beach I hear you're [TS]

00:00:08   plugging your phone in i am i'm rolling [TS]

00:00:10   unified you up and ask me questions so [TS]

00:00:12   now you get to hear behind-the-scenes i [TS]

00:00:14   plug in my phone so my charger as well I [TS]

00:00:16   record it's exciting [TS]

00:00:17   why why not just do that when you go to [TS]

00:00:19   pad i do how long of a time span is it [TS]

00:00:22   between when the podcast and when you go [TS]

00:00:24   to bed usually you never know [TS]

00:00:26   vacation was good anything interesting [TS]

00:00:29   to report you rented a camera would you [TS]

00:00:31   like to learn ya whole camera right [TS]

00:00:33   would you like to talk about that at all [TS]

00:00:34   yeah camera and a bunch of lenses this [TS]

00:00:36   is marcos recommendation of what camera [TS]

00:00:37   should rent and the only reason I was [TS]

00:00:38   doing it all is because my wife is going [TS]

00:00:40   off on a cruise with her mother which is [TS]

00:00:43   the thing to do [TS]

00:00:44   maybe we'll talk about later and she [TS]

00:00:47   decided that our camera is not good [TS]

00:00:49   enough [TS]

00:00:49   she's had too much proximity exposure to [TS]

00:00:53   Marco's fancy cameras and other people [TS]

00:00:55   that runs like rubbing off on her so [TS]

00:00:58   she's like we should get a better camera [TS]

00:01:00   line on the get about ABC was going on [TS]

00:01:02   vacation and she wants to have good [TS]

00:01:04   pictures just like our cameras up to the [TS]

00:01:06   task I think our cameras plenty of the [TS]

00:01:07   task but she disagrees so I don't wanna [TS]

00:01:10   buy no camera but I know Marco rents [TS]

00:01:13   camera so i asked him about his the [TS]

00:01:14   camera rental service that he uses and [TS]

00:01:17   he gave me the URL and suggested a [TS]

00:01:18   camera that we should rent because we [TS]

00:01:21   didn't want something as big as Marcus [TS]

00:01:23   Marcus is not big it's not as big as [TS]

00:01:25   like that 5dr likes it's not like a [TS]

00:01:27   giant a full-frame DSLR but yeah it is [TS]

00:01:30   about as big as a mirrorless camera can [TS]

00:01:32   get and still be a mirrorless camera [TS]

00:01:33   still it's so full frame but it doesn't [TS]

00:01:36   have the mirrors in it to add some [TS]

00:01:38   clarity here since everybody will be [TS]

00:01:39   asking the site that I recommended you [TS]

00:01:41   rent from his lens rentals.com there are [TS]

00:01:44   a couple other sites that's the 1 i've [TS]

00:01:45   used a lot over like same here [TS]

00:01:48   she's I don't know maybe over a decade [TS]

00:01:49   it i've used for a long time they've [TS]

00:01:53   been great no complaints I've rented [TS]

00:01:54   both lenses an entire cameras from [TS]

00:01:56   they've been great land rentals.com this [TS]

00:01:58   is not a sponsorship the camera i [TS]

00:01:59   recommended that you rent is the sony [TS]

00:02:01   a6300 added it is Sony's new high-end [TS]

00:02:05   but still crop sensor mirrorless camera [TS]

00:02:09   runs a little thing like 1,200 bucks [TS]

00:02:10   something in that range [TS]

00:02:12   it's it's a very very good camera it's [TS]

00:02:14   as bad as good as you can get without [TS]

00:02:15   being a full-frame sensor the camera [TS]

00:02:18   that i have is the sony a7r to which is [TS]

00:02:21   a full-frame sensor is a lot more money [TS]

00:02:23   but is a lot bigger and a lot higher [TS]

00:02:24   quality images but the day 6300 that I [TS]

00:02:27   had John rent is incredibly good and i [TS]

00:02:30   would say if you're looking for [TS]

00:02:32   America's camera in the like thousand [TS]

00:02:35   dollar range that seems like it would be [TS]

00:02:37   a really it should be very high on your [TS]

00:02:39   list [TS]

00:02:40   that said I haven't actually used this [TS]

00:02:41   is all based on review info experience [TS]

00:02:43   with other sony camera so John how is [TS]

00:02:45   the a 1600 well looking at it compared [TS]

00:02:48   to your camera i was surprised to see [TS]

00:02:50   that there are a couple specs where the [TS]

00:02:51   smaller lesser camera is better for [TS]

00:02:54   instance number of photos it can take [TS]

00:02:56   per second for burst mode is like double [TS]

00:02:58   the maybe even triple than the highest [TS]

00:03:01   setting [TS]

00:03:02   what yours does and i think it had my [TS]

00:03:05   don't know these texts me like that [TS]

00:03:07   number of areas of phase detection for [TS]

00:03:10   auto focus was higher on this thing like [TS]

00:03:13   this is a couple of attributes make me [TS]

00:03:15   think this camera in this sensor came [TS]

00:03:17   out after yours is that the case they [TS]

00:03:18   did yeah and also when you have a [TS]

00:03:20   smaller ND i came out i think it was [TS]

00:03:22   like six months or maybe a year after [TS]

00:03:24   mine and well yeah I bet between six and [TS]

00:03:27   nine months i think after month and also [TS]

00:03:30   when you have a so full frame sensor is [TS]

00:03:31   a lot larger it's I think it's sixty [TS]

00:03:34   percent larger by area something like [TS]

00:03:36   that has double the megapixels two years [TS]

00:03:37   4224 so it's close to double right right [TS]

00:03:40   and so when you have a larger sensor and [TS]

00:03:42   you have more pixels it is it is much [TS]

00:03:44   harder to make the surrounding [TS]

00:03:46   electronics able to deal with the sensor [TS]

00:03:49   dumping like a hundred photos a second [TS]

00:03:51   off of it and so usually the smaller [TS]

00:03:53   sensors will have higher slo-mo video [TS]

00:03:56   frame rates and higher bursts per second [TS]

00:03:59   capacity simply because there's a lot [TS]

00:04:01   less data deal to deal with and that has [TS]

00:04:03   to be pulled off that sensor and the [TS]

00:04:05   reason we weren't looking at marcos [TS]

00:04:07   camera specifically is not particularly [TS]

00:04:08   because it's too expensive because all i [TS]

00:04:10   do is we're going to rent it but just [TS]

00:04:11   because it's big and you know we're [TS]

00:04:13   going from as much smaller it's all [TS]

00:04:15   relative of all much smaller much [TS]

00:04:17   lighter Cameron on interchangeable lens [TS]

00:04:19   camera always have super zooms and [TS]

00:04:21   they're all made of plastics a very [TS]

00:04:22   light [TS]

00:04:23   and they're they're small and you're [TS]

00:04:25   gonna be walking all over Europe maybe [TS]

00:04:27   you don't want to go right from a small [TS]

00:04:28   light camera to something that's bigger [TS]

00:04:30   market again it's not as big as a as a [TS]

00:04:32   full-frame DSLR but still pretty big and [TS]

00:04:35   that whether the magnesium aluminum body [TS]

00:04:36   is not as heavy is like a steel body or [TS]

00:04:39   something but it's way heavier than a [TS]

00:04:40   plastic one [TS]

00:04:41   so this is a kind of a good choice for [TS]

00:04:43   like it's going to take good pictures [TS]

00:04:45   but it's really it's a very small body [TS]

00:04:47   like it's so small that a lot of the [TS]

00:04:48   lens is like comic like a lot of the [TS]

00:04:50   sony looks like they want the NEX series [TS]

00:04:52   and all that they always look like the [TS]

00:04:55   lens was too big for the body because so [TS]

00:04:56   many maybes very small it's what you can [TS]

00:04:58   do with mirrorless cameras and very [TS]

00:04:59   small looking bodies with pretty good [TS]

00:05:01   sensors in them sometimes to a fault is [TS]

00:05:03   my brother has one of the earlier so [TS]

00:05:05   amazing it was very often difficult to [TS]

00:05:07   hold them like to find a place where you [TS]

00:05:09   could grip them and Sony was making them [TS]

00:05:10   kind of like the PlayStation controllers [TS]

00:05:12   like little pieces of art made of like [TS]

00:05:13   conical section is an ideal solid stuff [TS]

00:05:15   instead of saying no you have to have to [TS]

00:05:17   make it grippy so that's why when i use [TS]

00:05:19   marcos camera when I first saw it I was [TS]

00:05:20   happy to see that Sony has learned hey [TS]

00:05:22   you should put grippy stuff on the part [TS]

00:05:24   where you grip it like nice grippy [TS]

00:05:26   rubber you know like camera grip stuff [TS]

00:05:27   if you make the whole thing is smooth [TS]

00:05:29   beautiful rectangle with a little bulge [TS]

00:05:31   it falls out of your hand and you're set [TS]

00:05:33   so the ac360 like a shrunken version of [TS]

00:05:37   Marcos is very small [TS]

00:05:38   it's still relatively heavy but most of [TS]

00:05:40   the weight is in the lenses if you use a [TS]

00:05:42   larger lens lenses i got was that the [TS]

00:05:44   silly little kit lens that comes with [TS]

00:05:46   which is like a everybody was like 15 to [TS]

00:05:48   50 or something power zoom like that [TS]

00:05:50   yeah something like that it's a it's a [TS]

00:05:52   it's a very small zoom range is a very [TS]

00:05:54   compact lens and it doesn't seem to be [TS]

00:05:58   very good and I got a 50 millimeter [TS]

00:06:01   prime and I got a what was it 30 to 140 [TS]

00:06:07   to 150 him all these were sony branded [TS]

00:06:10   lenses that's another possibility with [TS]

00:06:13   these things is that supposedly the sony [TS]

00:06:14   can take third-party lenses and do auto [TS]

00:06:17   focus on them but Marcos has the [TS]

00:06:19   advantage that all the image [TS]

00:06:20   stabilization stuff is in the body not [TS]

00:06:24   in the lens is this correct I'm not [TS]

00:06:26   that's right well it's both I mean the [TS]

00:06:28   lot of the lenses have it but but yet it [TS]

00:06:30   mine has in body stabilization right and [TS]

00:06:33   this one doesn't so realize somewhat on [TS]

00:06:35   its ability to work with lens [TS]

00:06:36   but as a bunch of adapters for the [TS]

00:06:37   lenses stuff anyway just got so many [TS]

00:06:38   lenses and use the vacation normally on [TS]

00:06:41   my long island vacations I take pictures [TS]

00:06:42   and rest of the family hanging around [TS]

00:06:45   the beach but i also take a lot of [TS]

00:06:46   pictures of my family playing in the [TS]

00:06:48   ocean and when I take those pictures i'm [TS]

00:06:50   usually up to my knees or my waist in [TS]

00:06:52   the ocean and the ocean waves in the [TS]

00:06:53   surf and that's not a really good place [TS]

00:06:56   to be with an expensive camera [TS]

00:06:58   I've always assumed that one year the [TS]

00:07:00   wave will get me and i will drop my [TS]

00:07:02   camera but as I don't know we're going [TS]

00:07:03   on five years ten years so far has not [TS]

00:07:06   gotten me and the streak continues but i [TS]

00:07:09   plan to not even bring the fancy camera [TS]

00:07:11   to the ocean because I was like well you [TS]

00:07:13   know i'll use that one for all the [TS]

00:07:14   pictures except the ocean pictures and [TS]

00:07:15   also by the way my super zoom is 600 [TS]

00:07:18   millimeter zoom it's ridiculous like it [TS]

00:07:20   helps me get when the surface like far [TS]

00:07:21   out [TS]

00:07:22   I can be up to my knees and they can be [TS]

00:07:23   away for I can still get close-ups oh [TS]

00:07:25   really i really like my camera my [TS]

00:07:26   superstar by the way is the canon fz200 [TS]

00:07:28   but when it came down to it I taking so [TS]

00:07:32   many pictures with the sony I didn't [TS]

00:07:33   want to leave at home so I brought to [TS]

00:07:34   the beach with me in fact that both [TS]

00:07:36   cameras to the beach I took a bunch of [TS]

00:07:37   pictures with my other camera like you [TS]

00:07:39   know what I could probably take a few of [TS]

00:07:40   the sony may go a little deeper and [TS]

00:07:42   makeup money's going to let you know i [TS]

00:07:44   did the main thing was holding back on [TS]

00:07:46   sunday with the zoom is just not that [TS]

00:07:47   was all hundred and five millimeters [TS]

00:07:48   it's not it wasn't getting me close [TS]

00:07:50   enough it was so some of the pictures [TS]

00:07:53   are kind of already but then he gets 24 [TS]

00:07:54   megapixels compared to whatever 12 or [TS]

00:07:56   whatever my other thing is I could drop [TS]

00:07:58   a lot of them to get the same image [TS]

00:08:00   quality out of it but I kept it out of [TS]

00:08:02   the ocean [TS]

00:08:03   I think I got a couple of drops of water [TS]

00:08:05   splashed on it but none on the lens I'm [TS]

00:08:08   pretty good at staying away from all [TS]

00:08:10   that and protecting the camera and the [TS]

00:08:12   results are really nice and really liked [TS]

00:08:14   it and she's definitely gonna bring it [TS]

00:08:15   on vacation the only decision I have now [TS]

00:08:17   is whether we're going to rent it again [TS]

00:08:19   for her vacation or just buy it [TS]

00:08:21   yeah i mean so first of all I should [TS]

00:08:22   point out that lens rentals has an [TS]

00:08:24   incredibly broad insurance to add on [TS]

00:08:28   that you can buy so that would cover i [TS]

00:08:30   think it would cover your ocean fears [TS]

00:08:32   that you have to pay ten percent still I [TS]

00:08:34   paid for like whatever the most [TS]

00:08:36   expensive insurance was against damage [TS]

00:08:37   and theft but even if the worst happens [TS]

00:08:39   you still have to pay ten percent and I [TS]

00:08:41   had like was like a six-hundred-dollar [TS]

00:08:42   lens $150 lands a hundred-dollar lens [TS]

00:08:45   that [TS]

00:08:46   and a thousand-dollar body or whatever [TS]

00:08:48   soda ten percent of that is still [TS]

00:08:49   something I didn't want to pay so how [TS]

00:08:52   many wins did you say you rented just [TS]

00:08:54   three just the prime zoom and the little [TS]

00:08:56   kit lens thing because i didn't know [TS]

00:08:57   which one I would end up using more of [TS]

00:08:59   it as it turns out what I ended up using [TS]

00:09:00   was almost never use the little kit lens [TS]

00:09:02   you think because I had to optically [TS]

00:09:06   better lenses with me and the indoors i [TS]

00:09:09   use the prime because it was the it was [TS]

00:09:11   a tough one point it was the one that [TS]

00:09:13   took the best light pictures & outdoors [TS]

00:09:15   i use the zoom even though is relatively [TS]

00:09:18   huge just because it gave me the most [TS]

00:09:20   flexibility and in all fairness your [TS]

00:09:23   battle between like the reach of the [TS]

00:09:26   super zoom and the quality of the of the [TS]

00:09:29   nice camera in all fairness I did [TS]

00:09:31   recommend that you consider the sony [TS]

00:09:33   rx10 which is it's super zoom but it's [TS]

00:09:36   not doesn't have the same reaches this [TS]

00:09:37   one like I'm gonna get a super zoom not [TS]

00:09:39   gonna get one that stops at 400 or [TS]

00:09:40   something whatever they are extended to [TS]

00:09:42   maybe does go to 600 or some other [TS]

00:09:44   aspect of it was worse than my camera I [TS]

00:09:46   think the most recent one actually might [TS]

00:09:47   go out that far it got a pretty big [TS]

00:09:49   update run but it doesn't it's not have [TS]

00:09:51   2.3 the whole zoom range like like this [TS]

00:09:53   thing is no that's pretty rare I mean it [TS]

00:09:55   basically to achieve that you have to [TS]

00:09:57   have a very small sensor now all them i [TS]

00:09:58   do so anyway I'm like this it is not not [TS]

00:10:01   only is there no sony superzoom that i [TS]

00:10:03   can get at any price that I feel like [TS]

00:10:04   has better feature set university better [TS]

00:10:06   than the 1i have but there's no [TS]

00:10:08   panasonic on the panasonic updated my [TS]

00:10:10   camera to and made it worse like from [TS]

00:10:12   for my purposes but anyway be that [TS]

00:10:14   there's a problem with the zoom lens is [TS]

00:10:15   the problem all the sony lenses is that [TS]

00:10:18   I don't know the ones get expensive [TS]

00:10:20   really fast [TS]

00:10:21   there's no sort of maybe I could talk to [TS]

00:10:23   you about what lens i should have [TS]

00:10:24   actually buy this thing but there's no [TS]

00:10:25   reasonably expensive zoom lens above [TS]

00:10:29   like a hundred something only their [TS]

00:10:32   resume like forget about 600 forget [TS]

00:10:34   about 400 i think i can get like a 404 [TS]

00:10:36   twelve-thousand dollars that's something [TS]

00:10:38   yeah well the moment so you know the [TS]

00:10:41   problems like what you're looking at [TS]

00:10:42   here is you're looking at a lens system [TS]

00:10:44   that spans from prosumer to really like [TS]

00:10:49   low to mid-range pro [TS]

00:10:51   the sony full-frame sensors like that [TS]

00:10:53   the a 7-series have become very popular [TS]

00:10:56   very quickly among high end users and [TS]

00:11:00   that you know we can have lots of [TS]

00:11:01   debates over like whether they are [TS]

00:11:02   considered pro cameras or not but it's [TS]

00:11:04   kinda like you know asking like whether [TS]

00:11:06   the ipad is a computer like you know [TS]

00:11:07   whether or not their pro cameras by some [TS]

00:11:09   people's definitions they are still [TS]

00:11:10   being used by a lot of pros for [TS]

00:11:12   professional use it doesn't really [TS]

00:11:13   matter whether you think they're for a [TS]

00:11:15   camera or not because they are just [TS]

00:11:17   incredibly good incredibly compelling it [TS]

00:11:19   for a lot of reasons anyway so the [TS]

00:11:22   problem is that when you have these [TS]

00:11:24   large very dense very high-quality [TS]

00:11:27   sensors you need really good lens glass [TS]

00:11:31   in front of those to be able to resolve [TS]

00:11:33   enough detail to really take advantage [TS]

00:11:35   of what those sensors have to offer and [TS]

00:11:38   so when you can look at your little [TS]

00:11:40   super zoom zooms and super zooms you [TS]

00:11:42   know they they sacrifice a lot of image [TS]

00:11:45   quality and optical quality to be able [TS]

00:11:48   to put a large zoom range into a [TS]

00:11:50   relatively compact and relatively [TS]

00:11:52   inexpensive body that's that's not [TS]

00:11:54   really possible to you know it's like [TS]

00:11:56   something has to give their if you're [TS]

00:11:58   gonna have to serve a very large nice [TS]

00:12:01   sensor with lots of megapixels of detail [TS]

00:12:04   and not have a bunch of distortion in [TS]

00:12:06   the images I mean some of that you can [TS]

00:12:07   correct with software but you know still [TS]

00:12:09   try to avoid it you can then you have to [TS]

00:12:13   either shorten the range in order to [TS]

00:12:15   have less glass that needs to be in [TS]

00:12:17   place to get that high-quality image [TS]

00:12:18   onto this high-quality sensor without [TS]

00:12:19   distorting or you have to put just a ton [TS]

00:12:23   of glass in front of that thing [TS]

00:12:25   tons of like highly engineered you know [TS]

00:12:27   lens elements and is very expensive very [TS]

00:12:29   large very heavy lenses and so it's just [TS]

00:12:32   as this trade-off between all these [TS]

00:12:33   different factors of like well if you [TS]

00:12:35   want to have something that is small and [TS]

00:12:37   light and probably cheap and also has [TS]

00:12:40   big zoom range [TS]

00:12:41   it can't have good optical quality and [TS]

00:12:43   if you want something that is small with [TS]

00:12:45   top-quality you should really be [TS]

00:12:46   probably using a prime if you want [TS]

00:12:48   something large with good optical [TS]

00:12:50   quality and and you have a lot on the [TS]

00:12:52   unlimited budget and you know you don't [TS]

00:12:55   mind carrying his giant heavy lenses the [TS]

00:12:57   lens you see in the new high-end sony [TS]

00:12:59   every lineup that's the market they're [TS]

00:13:02   targeting the targeting like the Canon L [TS]

00:13:04   Series [TS]

00:13:05   and stuff and whatever that the nikon I [TS]

00:13:06   figured with my compro ones are called [TS]

00:13:08   they're targeting that market like pro [TS]

00:13:10   photographers the people you see on the [TS]

00:13:11   sidelines of like sports games the giant [TS]

00:13:13   white lenses like they're targeting that [TS]

00:13:15   market now because they're their cameras [TS]

00:13:17   are so good to turn to be using that [TS]

00:13:19   kind of industry which is pretty [TS]

00:13:20   impressive for mirrorless to begin with [TS]

00:13:22   but anyway so for what you're looking [TS]

00:13:25   for your you should probably honestly [TS]

00:13:28   consider the rx10 they're super zoom or [TS]

00:13:30   at least only use your only consider [TS]

00:13:33   using the sony for four occasions in [TS]

00:13:36   which you don't really need massive [TS]

00:13:37   reach of of a telephoto zoom because [TS]

00:13:40   that's just like you're looking at a [TS]

00:13:42   market that is designed for very [TS]

00:13:44   different needs and optimizing for very [TS]

00:13:45   different factors in that trade-off of [TS]

00:13:47   lens design you're trying to get out of [TS]

00:13:50   that market like like you know a 16 [TS]

00:13:52   millimeter lens like try to find a [TS]

00:13:54   second millimeter Canon L lens and you [TS]

00:13:55   will see quite how you not quite what [TS]

00:13:57   this what this kind of quality was kind [TS]

00:13:59   of market is like it's you know they get [TS]

00:14:01   pretty ridiculous pretty fast i would [TS]

00:14:03   say this is kind of like your mac pro vs [TS]

00:14:06   gaming pc think you kind of want the [TS]

00:14:09   impossible i have added this high-end [TS]

00:14:10   thing but what you really actually need [TS]

00:14:12   is a low anthem now there's no 2000 a [TS]

00:14:15   mac pro quo woman that's 2,000 a micro [TS]

00:14:17   is perfect because I did everything but [TS]

00:14:19   now I'm like what i learned the vacation [TS]

00:14:21   is that I'm willing to give up the zoom [TS]

00:14:23   range for the better quality because [TS]

00:14:25   first of all with the Prime this can [TS]

00:14:26   take pictures and doors that nothing [TS]

00:14:28   else I have to take was the reason I [TS]

00:14:30   never wanted to get high on camera [TS]

00:14:31   because you get you started your like [TS]

00:14:32   well now I can't go back how can you go [TS]

00:14:34   back from using you know a reasonably [TS]

00:14:37   good camera for indoor photography that [TS]

00:14:39   you can't go back because do you not at [TS]

00:14:41   all the pictures other pictures are [TS]

00:14:42   garbage indoors because there's no light [TS]

00:14:44   and your phone can't get the light and [TS]

00:14:46   nothing else can and you know so and [TS]

00:14:48   then at the beach when I had the choice [TS]

00:14:50   between both cameras that have them both [TS]

00:14:51   right there by using both of them [TS]

00:14:53   eventually by the last day we are at the [TS]

00:14:55   ocean didn't even take out the panasonic [TS]

00:14:57   voltages sony the whole time you know [TS]

00:15:00   and by that i forgot [TS]

00:15:01   then I was brave enough to go in the [TS]

00:15:02   water with it and I didn't mind the fact [TS]

00:15:04   that i was a little bit farther away [TS]

00:15:05   because the the you know had more [TS]

00:15:08   megapixels and I could crop them i [TS]

00:15:09   really needed to but in the end even if [TS]

00:15:11   I was a little bit farther away the [TS]

00:15:13   increased image quality was worth it to [TS]

00:15:15   me [TS]

00:15:16   I mean so maybe like a little bit bigger [TS]

00:15:18   zoom American you know I'll shop around [TS]

00:15:20   like I'm looking series lenses now [TS]

00:15:22   they're 500 millimeters you're right [TS]

00:15:24   that the signal is when the lens is [TS]

00:15:25   white Runaways probably like a rhyme [TS]

00:15:27   about with the lens is white the price [TS]

00:15:30   is not right that 500 millimeter at for [TS]

00:15:32   gsm whatever those letters stand for [TS]

00:15:34   12,900 and otters so i don't think i'll [TS]

00:15:37   be skipping that lens there's also the [TS]

00:15:39   size of a truck like you can it's also a [TS]

00:15:41   bad sign when the lens itself is the [TS]

00:15:42   thing that amount of the tripod and not [TS]

00:15:44   the camera because of a camera just [TS]

00:15:45   hanging off the end of lens [TS]

00:15:46   these are all bad signs for your budget [TS]

00:15:48   with 300 millimeter 14 only 7500 anyway [TS]

00:15:52   probably just end up getting this camera [TS]

00:15:55   with the kit lens and a prime and then [TS]

00:15:58   save up for resume because I mean I [TS]

00:16:01   enjoyed it that much I get it was it was [TS]

00:16:04   heavier but not that much heavier and [TS]

00:16:06   the socks size wise it was ok for [TS]

00:16:09   economically and you I was I felt [TS]

00:16:11   something cameras have a long way to go [TS]

00:16:12   like every I recognize this is a big [TS]

00:16:15   improvement over the old sony says that [TS]

00:16:17   my brother had an older one like this is [TS]

00:16:18   this is better doesn't have a [TS]

00:16:19   touchscreen which would help but camera [TS]

00:16:22   manufacturers need to need to get over [TS]

00:16:23   the idea that the the best way to [TS]

00:16:26   arrange all your options is in a big [TS]

00:16:30   linear list over a series of screens [TS]

00:16:31   like this one has tabs and then within [TS]

00:16:33   each tabs there's a number line like [TS]

00:16:35   search results that has seven screens is [TS]

00:16:37   a bunch of texts things like that's not [TS]

00:16:39   it it's organized kind of but you can [TS]

00:16:43   imagine a much better UI to organize the [TS]

00:16:45   scriptures i can never remember where [TS]

00:16:46   the hell's the feature this thing like [TS]

00:16:47   they weren't organized in a logical way [TS]

00:16:49   than like these are the camera settings [TS]

00:16:51   through the ones under gear these are [TS]

00:16:52   settings but not camera-related set it's [TS]

00:16:54   just too terrible organization but at [TS]

00:16:57   least we've gotten on the BMW pages said [TS]

00:16:58   look we put a bunch of buttons on this [TS]

00:17:00   thing and most cameras do this but [TS]

00:17:01   apparently some reason bad about this in [TS]

00:17:03   the past we have a bunch of buttons you [TS]

00:17:04   can program the whole do anything you [TS]

00:17:06   want we printed something next to the [TS]

00:17:07   buttons thats have little to no [TS]

00:17:08   abbreviations to tell you what they do [TS]

00:17:10   by default but if you don't like that [TS]

00:17:12   you can make anybody do anything for the [TS]

00:17:14   most part which is another business [TS]

00:17:15   innovation what you want this button to [TS]

00:17:17   scroll through this list of literally 70 [TS]

00:17:19   options and finally think it's really [TS]

00:17:22   terrible at everything cameras want to [TS]

00:17:23   do on-camera like there's a tablet saps [TS]

00:17:25   just know Sony there are no apps that i [TS]

00:17:28   want to run [TS]

00:17:28   your camera to take pictures may be on [TS]

00:17:31   camera convert to jpeg which by the way [TS]

00:17:33   that doesn't even do is just the wrong [TS]

00:17:35   as you have to pull off but everything [TS]

00:17:37   else [TS]

00:17:37   wait what it doesn't convert to you [TS]

00:17:39   can't do like in-camera conversion where [TS]

00:17:41   you shoot in raw and then filled with it [TS]

00:17:43   and then do a conversion 2.jpg before [TS]

00:17:46   you pull it off oh okay I see you mean [TS]

00:17:48   you can shoot j+ for all you should roll [TS]

00:17:51   out your JPEG but a lot of cameras have [TS]

00:17:52   a thing where you shoot in raw and that [TS]

00:17:54   on the camera screw with the whatever [TS]

00:17:56   you're going to screw with to get that [TS]

00:17:57   you know pull out the detail from the [TS]

00:17:59   shadows and blah blah blah and then just [TS]

00:18:00   pull off jpegs that are burned in like [TS]

00:18:02   that why would you want to do that [TS]

00:18:05   ok let's save to save room that you know [TS]

00:18:07   because that's another thing like now I [TS]

00:18:08   understand why my brother has the [TS]

00:18:10   problem that he can't use iCloud library [TS]

00:18:13   because he has more than one terabyte of [TS]

00:18:15   my photos and why is that more than one [TS]

00:18:17   terabyte photos because he shoots wrong [TS]

00:18:19   on this little sunny and so yeah the [TS]

00:18:21   each of these rows like 25 megsie [TS]

00:18:23   compared to like yeah 3 or 4 Meg's in [TS]

00:18:27   jpg and even smaller and so I I feel the [TS]

00:18:30   64 gig card and a little bit of another [TS]

00:18:33   card [TS]

00:18:33   yeah i mean in all fairness buying a [TS]

00:18:37   larger SD card is probably a lot easier [TS]

00:18:39   and they're pretty cheap now then having [TS]

00:18:41   to fiddle with like taking up space on [TS]

00:18:43   the camera because the other thing too [TS]

00:18:45   is like a larger SD card is is a [TS]

00:18:48   credible easily you know pretty easily [TS]

00:18:51   thing what is not so easy is to get [TS]

00:18:54   these cameras battery so last very long [TS]

00:18:55   when the screens are on and expense I [TS]

00:18:58   mean that's one thing like Sony i love [TS]

00:19:00   my camera I love almost everything about [TS]

00:19:02   it but the battery life is embarrassing [TS]

00:19:04   and I have like all these different [TS]

00:19:05   power saving tips like it has Wi-Fi but [TS]

00:19:08   you can put it in airplane mode from the [TS]

00:19:09   wife III did that immediately as soon as [TS]

00:19:11   I think this out-of-the-box yeah my [TS]

00:19:13   camera has always been an airplane mode [TS]

00:19:14   hit me because the battery like this so [TS]

00:19:17   bad i do all the help I can get it to [TS]

00:19:20   turn the back screen on sunny day mode [TS]

00:19:21   you have yours I'm sure you don't have [TS]

00:19:23   yours in sunny day mode because sunday [TS]

00:19:24   morning reads means max brightness on [TS]

00:19:26   the screen that's what any of that [TS]

00:19:28   because it was a sunny day at the beach [TS]

00:19:29   otherwise I couldn't see a thing and i [TS]

00:19:30   would use if you find a long time I i [TS]

00:19:32   usually when I'm shooting i will almost [TS]

00:19:34   always be using the optical viewfinder [TS]

00:19:35   just because I prefer the additional [TS]

00:19:38   detail and I'm able to see just because [TS]

00:19:40   it is closer to my and there's an [TS]

00:19:42   the outside light coming in and [TS]

00:19:43   everything else so anyway so yeah I mean [TS]

00:19:46   I honestly i recommend possibly giving [TS]

00:19:49   up on the idea zooms for the most part [TS]

00:19:51   because honestly like the trade-off is [TS]

00:19:55   so big in terms of you know quality or [TS]

00:19:58   size and and money like like you can get [TS]

00:20:02   zooms that are you know and this is [TS]

00:20:04   there's only very few of them that this [TS]

00:20:06   is true for but you can get zooms that [TS]

00:20:08   are about as good as as most primes they [TS]

00:20:10   do exist but their massive heavy and [TS]

00:20:13   very expensive and there aren't that [TS]

00:20:16   many of them most zooms you're giving up [TS]

00:20:18   a lot of quality to get that soon [TS]

00:20:21   flexibility and you know if you think [TS]

00:20:23   about like when you shoot with your [TS]

00:20:24   iphone you have a prime on there except [TS]

00:20:27   for the next you know large iphone plus [TS]

00:20:29   it's gonna have the optical zoom but so [TS]

00:20:31   you know when you shoot with your iphone [TS]

00:20:33   you're shooting with effectively a [TS]

00:20:34   35-millimeter prime and you've been [TS]

00:20:37   shooting with that 35-millimeter primary [TS]

00:20:38   iphone for the last like a seven years [TS]

00:20:40   or whatever [TS]

00:20:41   however long as well you haven't John [TS]

00:20:42   everyone else haha you know it's been [TS]

00:20:46   awhile and and we've gotten used to that [TS]

00:20:48   and it's fine and it turns out that when [TS]

00:20:50   you just have like a decent prime in the [TS]

00:20:53   wide to normal range you can get pretty [TS]

00:20:56   much all of your photography done that [TS]

00:20:57   way but you know most of the time and [TS]

00:21:00   it's great and the trade-off is worth it [TS]

00:21:02   like well if you have a prime here that [TS]

00:21:03   you can make this a much smaller and [TS]

00:21:05   cheaper and have higher quality and [TS]

00:21:06   everything [TS]

00:21:07   same thing is true for any size camera [TS]

00:21:09   anybody listening if you have a an SLR [TS]

00:21:12   anything with interchangeable lenses if [TS]

00:21:13   you don't have a prime lens which means [TS]

00:21:15   it's fixed one focal length of you that [TS]

00:21:17   you can't zoom it's zoom with your feet [TS]

00:21:19   if you have if you don't have a prime [TS]

00:21:21   lens whatever camera system you own get [TS]

00:21:24   the cheap 50-millimeter prime lens for [TS]

00:21:27   it there is it is almost every camera [TS]

00:21:29   system has something like this where it [TS]

00:21:30   is 50 millimeter or whatever the [TS]

00:21:32   equivalent is for your sensor size [TS]

00:21:34   usually it's f 1.8 and usually it's like [TS]

00:21:37   a hundred bucks in that range it's it's [TS]

00:21:39   fairly inexpensive for allen's the [TS]

00:21:41   optical quality you can get out of those [TS]

00:21:43   is it just kicks the butts of zoom [TS]

00:21:47   lenses it so and you know that looked [TS]

00:21:48   like you were saying earlier John you [TS]

00:21:50   that's the one you said you were saying [TS]

00:21:51   you were using indoors because when [TS]

00:21:53   you're indoors or when you're you know [TS]

00:21:54   when it [TS]

00:21:55   not that much light you can really get a [TS]

00:21:56   lot of light in there and even you have [TS]

00:21:58   lots of light the sharpness and the [TS]

00:22:00   color and then just the optical quality [TS]

00:22:03   that you get out of these lenses is [TS]

00:22:04   amazing because they can be so much [TS]

00:22:06   simpler than resume like just there's [TS]

00:22:08   fewer elements the elements you know [TS]

00:22:09   they can afford to get higher quality [TS]

00:22:12   optics in there at that price point when [TS]

00:22:13   you don't have all those elements to to [TS]

00:22:15   zoom things are to have a weird [TS]

00:22:16   we're perspective or the extreme you [TS]

00:22:18   know wider extreme narrow primes are [TS]

00:22:21   just so nice like I found that even when [TS]

00:22:24   I have a big camera i spend the vast [TS]

00:22:26   majority of my time using primes and [TS]

00:22:29   even when i've used zooms I mostly have [TS]

00:22:31   not liked the pictures that i get from [TS]

00:22:33   them the primes are just so much better [TS]

00:22:35   and so I I urge anybody with cameras out [TS]

00:22:38   there to consider just shooting with [TS]

00:22:40   crimes because it really is incredible [TS]

00:22:42   and there are situations where you were [TS]

00:22:45   you quote need a zoom but I bet there's [TS]

00:22:47   a lot fewer of those and you expect and [TS]

00:22:49   for a lot of camera owners you basically [TS]

00:22:51   never had the basement ever have those [TS]

00:22:52   and a lot of those can be covered by [TS]

00:22:54   renting yeah so we're going on a trip [TS]

00:22:57   soon and I have rented a lens from once [TS]

00:23:00   rentals.com i did so few days ago [TS]

00:23:02   because i also used on trend also [TS]

00:23:03   probably less frequently i rented a 35 [TS]

00:23:06   100 millimeter zoom for micro four [TS]

00:23:10   thirds camera and I did that because I [TS]

00:23:12   want to be able to be a creeper he's [TS]

00:23:15   clearly i want to be able to capture [TS]

00:23:18   what I mean by that is that with my own [TS]

00:23:20   family Oh God taken out of context that [TS]

00:23:21   sounds terrible but that's good to know [TS]

00:23:25   what i mean by that is so if we are all [TS]

00:23:27   at a beach or for all in in a rented [TS]

00:23:30   house together so it's only people i [TS]

00:23:32   know i don't want to have to get up in [TS]

00:23:35   somebody's face in order to take a [TS]

00:23:37   really good picture that i want to be [TS]

00:23:39   able to be across the room where they [TS]

00:23:41   don't even know I'm taking a picture so [TS]

00:23:42   it's a lot more natural but that being [TS]

00:23:44   said generally speaking the only lens [TS]

00:23:46   that has ever on my camera is a 25 [TS]

00:23:48   millimeter I have no idea what the [TS]

00:23:49   equivalent of that is in a SLR but it's [TS]

00:23:52   a 25 millimeter i think it is a 50 [TS]

00:23:54   equivalent it your pictures look like 50 [TS]

00:23:57   pictures okay so it's a 20-millimeter f [TS]

00:23:59   1.4 that Sean blanc had recommended and [TS]

00:24:02   it is very expensive it was like six [TS]

00:24:04   hundred dollars but it is a unbelievably [TS]

00:24:06   phenomenally good lens to my eye and [TS]

00:24:08   don't know crap about the stuff and if I [TS]

00:24:11   ever take a decent picture it's because [TS]

00:24:13   I've got lucky and because of this lens [TS]

00:24:14   and I rented this zoom just like Marco [TS]

00:24:17   said because i want to have something to [TS]

00:24:19   take the pictures you know maybe in the [TS]

00:24:21   surf or something like John was [TS]

00:24:22   describing or or take pictures from [TS]

00:24:24   across the room but generally speaking I [TS]

00:24:26   never bother with a zoom and I do have [TS]

00:24:27   the kids oom for this Olympus camera [TS]

00:24:29   that I have and it's freaking terrible i [TS]

00:24:32   can't give up on resume that like the [TS]

00:24:33   one I was using this is a cheap so much [TS]

00:24:35   like six hundred dollars 18 2 105 [TS]

00:24:37   millimeter sony zoom lens it's for its [TS]

00:24:39   for the aps-c format is not a full-frame [TS]

00:24:42   a lens so maybe that's why it's cheaper [TS]

00:24:45   and I was really happy with the pictures [TS]

00:24:47   it took outdoors in the bright sunlight [TS]

00:24:49   on the beach in the same reason cases [TS]

00:24:50   that I'm most of the time I like to have [TS]

00:24:52   candid pictures and either i don't want [TS]

00:24:54   to or can't get close so like people are [TS]

00:24:56   all around i can't get close to them if [TS]

00:24:58   i do they start acting weird so i have [TS]

00:25:00   to go over there for far out on the [TS]

00:25:02   water like they see you coming with the [TS]

00:25:04   camera and they all turn and smile and [TS]

00:25:06   ham it up and I like candid pictures [TS]

00:25:08   better and so I can capture them like [TS]

00:25:10   the hundred million resume is enough for [TS]

00:25:12   like in it [TS]

00:25:13   outdoor gathering of people to get close [TS]

00:25:15   enough to get groups of people as if [TS]

00:25:16   you're right next some of that being on [TS]

00:25:17   next time the surface a little bit [TS]

00:25:19   little bit low but again i can i can [TS]

00:25:21   crop and I mean to my eye [TS]

00:25:25   obviously the the aperture wasn't like [TS]

00:25:28   it was on the prime likes you couldn't [TS]

00:25:30   you know open up super wide and get the [TS]

00:25:32   entire you know background nice and [TS]

00:25:34   blurred and everything sharpen and maybe [TS]

00:25:35   that and I had you know I did little to [TS]

00:25:37   f 1.8 50-millimeter prime that tomorrow [TS]

00:25:40   starting at cheap but good but I mostly [TS]

00:25:43   outdoors i use the big zoom and i [TS]

00:25:45   thought i would be bothered by how darn [TS]

00:25:47   big it is but it was i was able to [TS]

00:25:49   wrangle it fairly easily and I felt like [TS]

00:25:52   it was worth it like that's that's lens [TS]

00:25:53   believe about the end up using the most [TS]

00:25:55   i thought of using the prime minister [TS]

00:25:56   but I end up using this fairly large [TS]

00:25:58   doing the most so I don't want to maybe [TS]

00:26:00   i'll just get that same lens only six [TS]

00:26:02   hundred dollars but in the beginning I [TS]

00:26:03   probably just get that the Prime and and [TS]

00:26:04   the kit lens our mail by the body [TS]

00:26:06   without lens and just get the prime for [TS]

00:26:08   it just to save some money i don't have [TS]

00:26:09   to decide yet responsive this week by [TS]

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00:26:14   mattress and shockingly fair price to [TS]

00:26:16   Casper calm / ATP and use code ATP for [TS]

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00:26:40   addition of the mattress they also offer [TS]

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00:26:43   sheets Casper is revolutionising the [TS]

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00:27:07   you regulate your temperature throughout [TS]

00:27:08   the night especially important in the [TS]

00:27:09   summertime now the catcher mattress is a [TS]

00:27:12   shockingly fair price premium mattresses [TS]

00:27:15   usually cost fifteen hundred dollars or [TS]

00:27:17   more and that can be a lot more but [TS]

00:27:19   Catherine mattress cost just 500 for [TS]

00:27:21   twin 754 full 854 queen and 954 King [TS]

00:27:26   these prices are awesome for premium [TS]

00:27:28   mattress that's like half the price of a [TS]

00:27:30   similar quality mattress and every [TS]

00:27:32   Castle mattress is made right here in [TS]

00:27:34   America now Casper has made buying [TS]

00:27:37   mattresses online easy as you might [TS]

00:27:38   think why would you want to buy matters [TS]

00:27:40   online how do you know if it's going to [TS]

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00:27:46   returns with a 100 night home trial it [TS]

00:27:50   it's very very simple there's no risk [TS]

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00:27:58   understand the importance is truly [TS]

00:28:00   sleeping on a mattress before you commit [TS]

00:28:01   especially considering to be spending a [TS]

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00:28:05   today and try it for a hundred Knights [TS]

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00:28:19   thanks for Catherine for sponsoring our [TS]

00:28:20   show [TS]

00:28:22   our days Marco of lording over John and [TS]

00:28:27   feeling superior to him I'm sad to say [TS]

00:28:30   they're over because John now has a blue [TS]

00:28:33   checkmark oh I was afraid you're going [TS]

00:28:35   to see you finally got a new computer [TS]

00:28:36   oh god no come on let's talk everyday kc [TS]

00:28:38   ya John congrats on your blue checkmark [TS]

00:28:41   my friend my computer still better than [TS]

00:28:43   yours too crazy [TS]

00:28:44   mmm is it doesn't crash that was waiting [TS]

00:28:47   for that's why I didn't say anything [TS]

00:28:48   because I knew that was coming before we [TS]

00:28:50   go to check marks what is the status of [TS]

00:28:51   the computer has has the problem [TS]

00:28:53   recurred it has not and i haven't lost [TS]

00:28:55   power for let's see six days 14 hours 20 [TS]

00:28:59   minutes still stock ramen it is your [TS]

00:29:01   computer plugged into the UPS yes no [TS]

00:29:03   it's not because you want to reboot it [TS]

00:29:04   that's what because I wanted to I wanted [TS]

00:29:06   to keep this damn run going [TS]

00:29:08   I it has not lost power is not rebooted [TS]

00:29:11   it say does still have the OEM ram [TS]

00:29:13   minutes so i am still perhaps perhaps [TS]

00:29:16   unfairly I'm still convinced it's the [TS]

00:29:18   mac sales ram ok [TS]

00:29:21   no you should get a get on getting that [TS]

00:29:22   replace then I did you well I wanted [TS]

00:29:25   memtest x64 thing that does like the [TS]

00:29:27   SuperDuper thorough ran tests i did not [TS]

00:29:29   see six come on whatever side but that's [TS]

00:29:32   what that's what i said in my head but [TS]

00:29:34   my mouth did something different [TS]

00:29:36   your section not a pc nerd every pc here [TS]

00:29:38   knows that is what i said in my head but [TS]

00:29:41   the words came out differently it's [TS]

00:29:43   pronounced 1086 now what did I actually [TS]

00:29:45   say that XD cool i was probably thinking [TS]

00:29:48   uh you know the modern instruction set [TS]

00:29:51   every hand a memory test [TS]

00:29:53   so anyway the point is this is still [TS]

00:29:55   going strong on the on the OEM ram and [TS]

00:29:59   whenever this thing decides to reboot [TS]

00:30:01   itself or I lose power text or after [TS]

00:30:04   like two to four weeks I've decided what [TS]

00:30:05   i consider to be a long enough run then [TS]

00:30:07   at that point i will officially start [TS]

00:30:10   the arm a process with Maxwell's didn't [TS]

00:30:13   you have to install the the 10 whatever [TS]

00:30:16   6 update recently the the really [TS]

00:30:18   critical security updates with the image [TS]

00:30:20   parsing i recall i know what you talk [TS]

00:30:23   about our qualified it or not you should [TS]

00:30:24   do that if you have yeah alright i'll i [TS]

00:30:28   will see it maybe I'll just did not use [TS]

00:30:30   my computer for the next week [TS]

00:30:32   it's what I don't have to reboot it I [TS]

00:30:35   don't see what happens but anyway I so [TS]

00:30:36   to come back on point John you are [TS]

00:30:38   verified congratulations you are a [TS]

00:30:40   sellout just like me [TS]

00:30:41   we are not good enough like Marco to [TS]

00:30:42   have had received our check marks [TS]

00:30:44   without solicitation in all fairness I [TS]

00:30:46   did basically asked for it just not [TS]

00:30:48   doing it [TS]

00:30:49   yeah yeah I guess it's just the normal [TS]

00:30:51   version of the same thing but most [TS]

00:30:54   importantly now we are the fully [TS]

00:30:56   verified podcast obviously so as I [TS]

00:30:57   analog for that matter any more fully [TS]

00:30:59   verified podcaster happening now let's [TS]

00:31:02   just put there by the way you know so i [TS]

00:31:05   got my check mark 42 did not get his [TS]

00:31:07   brown did not get hers so there's still [TS]

00:31:09   day [TS]

00:31:10   Renee didn't get it nope use your [TS]

00:31:12   generator just hasn't heard back to know [TS]

00:31:14   he got rejected rejected don't the [TS]

00:31:17   world's coming to and what the hell's [TS]

00:31:18   going on anyway still massive injustice [TS]

00:31:22   in this world there is for those of us [TS]

00:31:24   who don't actually need it on this [TS]

00:31:25   podcast guess what we got it makes no [TS]

00:31:27   sense [TS]

00:31:27   oh and people ask me if I'm going to [TS]

00:31:29   change my bio that I complained about [TS]

00:31:31   mostly in reqtest about having to write [TS]

00:31:33   this silly bio now I'm afraid to change [TS]

00:31:36   because I'm afraid of change all this [TS]

00:31:37   magic mark so i decided to leave the [TS]

00:31:41   Siller silly embarrassing bio there [TS]

00:31:43   forever or maybe to like give it a year [TS]

00:31:45   and then it's safe for me to change it i [TS]

00:31:46   don't know [TS]

00:31:47   so do i have to be influenced or forever [TS]

00:31:49   I think you can change it i just i'm not [TS]

00:31:52   sure if you make it go away if they'll [TS]

00:31:54   get upset because part of what you have [TS]

00:31:56   to do to have a right exact mark is to [TS]

00:31:58   is to have a bio the funny thing about [TS]

00:32:00   this whole experience for me is that I [TS]

00:32:03   have apparently become I don't know how [TS]

00:32:05   to put this maybe I I've become like the [TS]

00:32:07   litmus test for like Oh Casey got [TS]

00:32:10   verified of course insert person here [TS]

00:32:13   should totally be verified so I saw that [TS]

00:32:15   about Renee is all that about federico [TS]

00:32:17   dude [TS]

00:32:18   Casey got verified little bit worse this [TS]

00:32:21   person should be verified so that that's [TS]

00:32:22   my new claim to fame I should change my [TS]

00:32:23   bio I'm that guy you couldn't believe [TS]

00:32:26   got verified that's me [TS]

00:32:28   you just have to find someone who you [TS]

00:32:29   think is even less deserving of being [TS]

00:32:30   verified and then you just point to them [TS]

00:32:32   yeah right whatever but yes I get to see [TS]

00:32:35   those tweets flyby like everything have [TS]

00:32:37   every few hours dude Renee didn't get [TS]

00:32:39   his thing I can't believe that Casey got [TS]

00:32:42   one call my favorite things like Howard [TS]

00:32:44   people are [TS]

00:32:45   just like back and insulting you like [TS]

00:32:47   this they feel the need to add to [TS]

00:32:48   mention you to average actually except [TS]

00:32:51   that that's what sure like okay if you [TS]

00:32:54   want to think that I mean knowing me [TS]

00:32:55   i'll probably find it an advantage [TS]

00:32:56   research because hello little least have [TS]

00:32:59   the decency not to not to mention me [TS]

00:33:02   oh yeah ok so we are the fully verified [TS]

00:33:04   podcast and that's very exciting right [TS]

00:33:07   moving on I where is tip these days [TS]

00:33:10   Marco I don't know how to pronounce the [TS]

00:33:12   more specific location however the [TS]

00:33:15   general location is France [TS]

00:33:17   fair enough yeah my dad took my wife is [TS]

00:33:19   on vacation for the week so I am solo [TS]

00:33:22   parenting this week how's that going on [TS]

00:33:24   well I mean it's only been like three [TS]

00:33:25   days so far so for these three days it's [TS]

00:33:28   been totally fine but there's four more [TS]

00:33:31   something like that yeah so there's [TS]

00:33:33   still a while ago i'm mainly finding it [TS]

00:33:35   challenging that like like last night [TS]

00:33:37   you know so is the last night was sunday [TS]

00:33:39   night and he he's in he's in like a [TS]

00:33:41   school day camp just like that you know [TS]

00:33:43   de Kamp is preschool the summertime I i [TS]

00:33:46   have to pack his lunch every day and I [TS]

00:33:48   realized last night like a big part of [TS]

00:33:49   what we pack is fruit of some kind like [TS]

00:33:52   you know raspberries or strawberries or [TS]

00:33:54   something and there was just nothing in [TS]

00:33:56   the fridge we had none and he was [TS]

00:33:58   already in bed [TS]

00:33:59   it was like ten o'clock at night oh also [TS]

00:34:01   Marco doesn't know where food comes from [TS]

00:34:04   no I would usually comes from me going [TS]

00:34:06   shopping for it but I can't leave the [TS]

00:34:08   house with him that's your shopping with [TS]

00:34:10   the kid [TS]

00:34:11   imagine that yeah that's what we did [TS]

00:34:13   today but yeah it's just there's just [TS]

00:34:14   little things like that that you know [TS]

00:34:16   like I had to realizing oh when you have [TS]

00:34:18   two parents in the house one of them can [TS]

00:34:20   leave and go go run an errand and you [TS]

00:34:23   don't go to jail you know so it's it so [TS]

00:34:27   it's been a slight learning experience [TS]

00:34:29   like that but otherwise yeah things are [TS]

00:34:31   going pretty feel like I've had it [TS]

00:34:32   before alone just think is the longest [TS]

00:34:35   span that we've ever had and see the [TS]

00:34:37   chatroom see this is this is a rookie [TS]

00:34:39   mistake here so a sip in the chat room [TS]

00:34:42   has suggested that I go food shopping [TS]

00:34:44   while he is a camp that is an [TS]

00:34:46   interesting idea [TS]

00:34:48   sip I thought of that however then after [TS]

00:34:51   school in the six hours before he goes [TS]

00:34:54   to bed [TS]

00:34:55   that's one less thing we could do [TS]

00:34:56   together [TS]

00:34:57   we have a whole week here the whole week [TS]

00:35:01   so we get any any area that i can run [TS]

00:35:04   with him i'm going to run with him [TS]

00:35:06   yep i know those fields and that [TS]

00:35:08   actually segways someone nicely into a [TS]

00:35:12   brief follow-up I wanted to discuss [TS]

00:35:14   which was a friend of the show [TS]

00:35:16   underscore David Smith came down to [TS]

00:35:18   visit on Friday evening into Saturday [TS]

00:35:20   morning we watch The Hunt for Red [TS]

00:35:22   October together because it's one of the [TS]

00:35:24   best movies the entire world come at me [TS]

00:35:26   and then saturday morning which is I [TS]

00:35:29   think you guys do sunday Marco but in [TS]

00:35:30   the landless household we do a saturday [TS]

00:35:32   morning into into naptime daddy time and [TS]

00:35:37   Dave join me on this and we took his [TS]

00:35:40   Tesla to cars and coffee [TS]

00:35:42   it was underscore in Declan myself and [TS]

00:35:45   we took the Tesla cars & coffee and it [TS]

00:35:48   was funny because I had promised him [TS]

00:35:51   that we would try to find the [TS]

00:35:53   self-organizing group of Tesla's that [TS]

00:35:55   always shows up there's typically three [TS]

00:35:57   or four of them i even saw a Model X [TS]

00:35:59   there two to one or two times ago which [TS]

00:36:02   was surprising but anyway we showed up [TS]

00:36:04   in the Tesla and i drove there which I [TS]

00:36:05   was slightly perturbed by only because I [TS]

00:36:07   felt like this was Dave's big moment and [TS]

00:36:09   you know here it is you can get out of [TS]

00:36:11   his car and be like yes well this is so [TS]

00:36:13   not underscore style but yes look at me [TS]

00:36:15   in my Tesla this is mine and I'm proud [TS]

00:36:16   of it but instead it's me instead it was [TS]

00:36:19   me who got out of the driver's seat and [TS]

00:36:21   of course we we stepped out of the jar I [TS]

00:36:23   stepped on the driver's seat within i [TS]

00:36:24   kid you not 15 seconds somebody came [TS]

00:36:26   running over to ask questions and I [TS]

00:36:27   basically threw my hands in the air and [TS]

00:36:28   wave them like I just don't get no I [TS]

00:36:30   threw my hands in the air instead dude [TS]

00:36:32   it's his car [TS]

00:36:33   you should ask him about it but yeah it [TS]

00:36:34   made quite a splash people quite liked [TS]

00:36:36   it [TS]

00:36:37   yeah we were packed in as you do because [TS]

00:36:40   I'm not an animal and I was back in [TS]

00:36:42   against maserati so it was pretty [TS]

00:36:44   interesting but it was funny how many [TS]

00:36:46   people were just completely impressed by [TS]

00:36:49   and and interested in the Tesla and [TS]

00:36:52   perhaps even more surprisingly really [TS]

00:36:55   loved the rear jump seats they really [TS]

00:36:57   thought three jumps were interesting to [TS]

00:36:59   the point that I i think it was a kid it [TS]

00:37:01   was like 15 18 year-old something like [TS]

00:37:03   that to ask if he could jump in the [TS]

00:37:06   jumpseat just to see how they have a [TS]

00:37:07   fail how they felt which underscore [TS]

00:37:09   because he's a nice man alive was like [TS]

00:37:11   sure definitely definitely feel free but [TS]

00:37:14   it was funny and underscore is is [TS]

00:37:17   hysterical watching him do this because [TS]

00:37:18   he's like the most easygoing guy [TS]

00:37:20   meanwhile i wouldn't be able to hide the [TS]

00:37:22   fact that my you know my plumage had [TS]

00:37:25   come out in full force if you will if it [TS]

00:37:27   were me but underscores just like [TS]

00:37:28   announce the thing is he's just so much [TS]

00:37:31   better than I am now he's way cooler [TS]

00:37:33   than all of us yet pretty much what a [TS]

00:37:35   nice car though I kind of a mad at him [TS]

00:37:37   now because I've forgotten how much I [TS]

00:37:38   hate my car i had forgotten how much I [TS]

00:37:40   hate my car and then I drove his test [TS]

00:37:42   again and now I hate my car again that [TS]

00:37:43   you have a very nice car just the test [TS]

00:37:45   was better i have a wonderful car truly [TS]

00:37:48   do but a kind of test so nice i saw [TS]

00:37:51   white m3 today and thought you know [TS]

00:37:52   thanks buddy anyone or an older one that [TS]

00:37:55   was the last generation the one that you [TS]

00:37:56   like but it was the fucking door like [TS]

00:37:58   converter i think it was convertible is [TS]

00:38:00   at least two door so it's like the weird [TS]

00:38:02   one snap question I know we're not [TS]

00:38:04   really in the neutral part of the show [TS]

00:38:05   but I have to ask friend friend of the [TS]

00:38:07   show who will remain nameless has been [TS]

00:38:10   debating between m2 and boxster s what [TS]

00:38:14   do you think so with the caveat that [TS]

00:38:16   driven either i would say I mean those [TS]

00:38:18   are very different cars like the boxer [TS]

00:38:20   is like you know it's convertible I [TS]

00:38:22   assume right because the kid that came [TS]

00:38:24   asking everyone so yes okay it's [TS]

00:38:25   convertible it's probably smaller if I [TS]

00:38:28   had to take a guess I would guess the [TS]

00:38:29   box was probably more expensive it is [TS]

00:38:31   why are you waffling there's an obvious [TS]

00:38:33   answer air Marco finish the thought that [TS]

00:38:35   I want to hear the obvious answer so get [TS]

00:38:36   the m2 that's not it is not the answer [TS]

00:38:38   the correct answer first of all don't [TS]

00:38:40   get the new generation boxer like the [TS]

00:38:43   one with the the turbo engine get the [TS]

00:38:45   previous generation boxster if it's [TS]

00:38:47   still on sales not get like it used one [TS]

00:38:49   that's the obvious choice [TS]

00:38:50   it's so much better than the m2 and [TS]

00:38:52   every possible the car will make you [TS]

00:38:53   happier because if you're shopping for [TS]

00:38:55   him to or boxer you're not looking for [TS]

00:38:57   like going something to all the [TS]

00:38:58   groceries of the kids get the previous [TS]

00:39:00   generation non turbo charged boxer well [TS]

00:39:04   so again having driven none of these two [TS]

00:39:07   cars and now the third about to mention [TS]

00:39:08   why get the boxster when you can get the [TS]

00:39:10   Cayman isn't the Cayman better in every [TS]

00:39:13   way and has all the same advantage of [TS]

00:39:14   the boxer this person once i Convertible [TS]

00:39:16   obviously the shopping boxer mix [TS]

00:39:18   convertible the top comes that's a big [TS]

00:39:19   difference if you're shopping horrible [TS]

00:39:21   you're not confused about whether you [TS]

00:39:22   know [TS]

00:39:23   you want to convert you want to [TS]

00:39:24   convertible nobody wants a convertible [TS]

00:39:25   people like them [TS]

00:39:26   no no but it's not convertible it's it's [TS]

00:39:29   one of those decisions that you should [TS]

00:39:30   choose to sway people away from like no [TS]

00:39:32   you trust me you don't want to [TS]

00:39:33   convertible how their this well this [TS]

00:39:36   person wants one and I think it's fine [TS]

00:39:37   and the box the box was just a more [TS]

00:39:39   special car yes it is more expensive the [TS]

00:39:40   M two is a good car if you're shopping [TS]

00:39:42   like em two verses m3 then we're gonna [TS]

00:39:44   have a real discussion but it was them [TS]

00:39:45   to vs. box or no contest boxer previous [TS]

00:39:48   gen yeah i know you want to wear socks [TS]

00:39:50   with sandals but trust me you don't want [TS]

00:39:52   to wear socks with sandals you don't [TS]

00:39:54   want to convertible convertibles are not [TS]

00:39:55   sauce and fun experiences but I'm [TS]

00:39:58   talking about like Jaguar convertible [TS]

00:40:00   from the eighties that are going to leak [TS]

00:40:02   water all over you and short out that [TS]

00:40:03   modern convertibles are fine not there [TS]

00:40:05   they're never find out about [TS]

00:40:07   convertibles a fine car in general I'd [TS]

00:40:10   really do like convertibles but yeah [TS]

00:40:12   this particular individual let's just [TS]

00:40:14   say that they're always on vacation so [TS]

00:40:16   it would make sense for this particular [TS]

00:40:18   individual to be shopping a convertible [TS]

00:40:20   but anyway um yeah I was just curious [TS]

00:40:23   like years ago in like 10 2005 I a [TS]

00:40:27   friend of a friend had a Boxster S this [TS]

00:40:30   is when they're still pretty new and i [TS]

00:40:33   drove that box dress and I got in that [TS]

00:40:36   car thinking others just an imposter 911 [TS]

00:40:38   I'm gonna hate this piece of garbage and [TS]

00:40:39   all my god did I loved it it was [TS]

00:40:42   phenomenally good i was stunned i could [TS]

00:40:45   see all the non s boxer would be kind of [TS]

00:40:47   a dog and kind of boring but man the box [TS]

00:40:50   dress was nice this way back no.5 I [TS]

00:40:52   haven't driven them to there is a friend [TS]

00:40:55   at work that has m235i that i have yet [TS]

00:40:58   to drive without he promised me I could [TS]

00:40:59   at some point and this obviously it's [TS]

00:41:01   just that but more but yeah that the old [TS]

00:41:04   boxers anyway super nice i'm curious to [TS]

00:41:06   see how this new one is we are all [TS]

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00:42:57   follow-up on the neutral thing [TS]

00:42:58   apparently the 2016 model is the bad [TS]

00:43:01   boxer it's when they added 17 to the [TS]

00:43:03   public-facing name the Porsche 718 [TS]

00:43:06   boxster that's 2016 model don't get that [TS]

00:43:09   one you want the 2015 boxster which [TS]

00:43:12   doesn't have a number in the name it [TS]

00:43:14   does have a number 98 one is that the [TS]

00:43:15   number behind the scenes but it's just [TS]

00:43:17   called boxer so it's confusing i know [TS]

00:43:19   because karma is always on they do look [TS]

00:43:22   very similar but the 2016 one with the [TS]

00:43:25   turbo four-cylinder engine thumbs down [TS]

00:43:28   so we thought the neutral part of the [TS]

00:43:30   show was over but turns out it's not [TS]

00:43:32   apple was hired somebody from QX which [TS]

00:43:35   is interesting so qnx is a company that [TS]

00:43:41   makes an operating system also called [TS]

00:43:43   qnx and that operating system [TS]

00:43:46   I understand to run a bunch of embedded [TS]

00:43:48   systems not least of which is [TS]

00:43:50   so is it the entertainment system in [TS]

00:43:52   cars or is it the actual like ECU and [TS]

00:43:55   cars [TS]

00:43:55   I don't think it's well it might be the [TS]

00:43:57   ECU but i think what did its most known [TS]

00:44:00   for its like that the reason you people [TS]

00:44:02   care economics at all is because it's a [TS]

00:44:03   real-time operating system so you would [TS]

00:44:04   never need a real-time operating system [TS]

00:44:06   to run like your infotainment because [TS]

00:44:07   things are slow as molasses anyway [TS]

00:44:09   oh my god so slow yeah well but the link [TS]

00:44:11   in the show notes about what [TS]

00:44:12   no that would be the entry in real-time [TS]

00:44:13   operating system which describes it [TS]

00:44:15   pretty well basically real-time [TS]

00:44:16   operating system is the only situation [TS]

00:44:18   where you can make guarantees about when [TS]

00:44:22   things will happen so you can say we be [TS]

00:44:25   guaranteed that this thing will be [TS]

00:44:27   serviced in a maximum of this amount of [TS]

00:44:30   time writing is hard real-time and soft [TS]

00:44:32   real-time soft real-time you know cries [TS]

00:44:34   very hard to to give you know computing [TS]

00:44:37   time to certain things and certain [TS]

00:44:38   intervals and hard real-time is like [TS]

00:44:40   this is a part of the system you are [TS]

00:44:43   going to be able to service this in a [TS]

00:44:45   certain interval at minimum and use hard [TS]

00:44:47   real-time systems for things like space [TS]

00:44:49   probes or flight control systems where [TS]

00:44:51   you can't have like a space probe [TS]

00:44:54   whizzing around the solar system and [TS]

00:44:57   have it go to do something that has to [TS]

00:44:59   be done with millisecond precision and [TS]

00:45:00   then have a a memory allocation happen [TS]

00:45:02   or interrupt happen when you didn't [TS]

00:45:04   expect it and not have your routine [TS]

00:45:06   service for an extra couple of [TS]

00:45:07   milliseconds because there was like a [TS]

00:45:08   little icon right on our personal [TS]

00:45:10   computers those little hiccups and [TS]

00:45:11   glitches happen all the time but in [TS]

00:45:14   real-time operating systems especially [TS]

00:45:15   hard real-time operating systems that [TS]

00:45:17   the whole design is made so that can't [TS]

00:45:19   happen ever [TS]

00:45:20   and the reason this comes up for [TS]

00:45:21   automotive things is there are some [TS]

00:45:23   things in automotive systems that are [TS]

00:45:24   like that you know anti-lock brakes [TS]

00:45:27   possibly also engine control things [TS]

00:45:29   where you can't ever have any kind of [TS]

00:45:31   pick up you always have to have things [TS]

00:45:33   done on a certain time line within a [TS]

00:45:36   certain deadline but some fuzzy decided [TS]

00:45:38   but like there are limits that you need [TS]

00:45:41   things to happen right now guaranteed [TS]

00:45:43   every single time no possibility that it [TS]

00:45:44   could make it happen so I think we [TS]

00:45:47   talked about this we're talking about [TS]

00:45:48   like what kind of what could Apple bring [TS]

00:45:49   the cars with software we talked a lot [TS]

00:45:50   about like like Barbie mb entertainment [TS]

00:45:53   systems and the UI and things that Tesla [TS]

00:45:55   does on its big touchscreen that's all [TS]

00:45:57   well and good Apple probably good then [TS]

00:45:58   you can basically run Iowa [TS]

00:46:00   it's on that and you'll be fine but for [TS]

00:46:01   the other parts of the car that driving [TS]

00:46:04   parts whether they be self driving or [TS]

00:46:06   just simply driver aids or smart cruise [TS]

00:46:08   control or engine control and stuff like [TS]

00:46:10   that that stuff has to be real time [TS]

00:46:12   because it's a safety issue you can't [TS]

00:46:15   have me you know you can't have any like [TS]

00:46:17   stutter or whatever that you see and and [TS]

00:46:20   regular operating systems and you know [TS]

00:46:21   offering something like I was ten do [TS]

00:46:23   have things with a try to give you [TS]

00:46:24   guarantee times like audio processing [TS]

00:46:26   but anyone who's ever used audio on a [TS]

00:46:27   Mac knows that it's not a hard real-time [TS]

00:46:30   operating system you can get into [TS]

00:46:32   situations so you have underflow and you [TS]

00:46:33   have a little stutter and you know your [TS]

00:46:35   disk isn't fast enough or whatever parts [TS]

00:46:37   of the whole chain can fall down to give [TS]

00:46:39   you a failure in the weather the audio [TS]

00:46:41   or video but a hard real-time system [TS]

00:46:43   just simply can't do that it has to give [TS]

00:46:45   guaranteed time slices to all the [TS]

00:46:48   software running which means it's much a [TS]

00:46:50   very different thing for you to create [TS]

00:46:51   you wouldn't create a real-time [TS]

00:46:52   operating system even for someone like [TS]

00:46:54   to watch it would be silly but it's very [TS]

00:46:57   different than anything apple has ever [TS]

00:46:58   created to my knowledge and so that's [TS]

00:47:00   why it's interesting to see this person [TS]

00:47:02   who i think it was like that the founder [TS]

00:47:04   of q XR jump that's right some bigwig [TS]

00:47:06   and QX it's not like he's the one [TS]

00:47:08   writing the real-time operating system [TS]

00:47:09   but he was well in the beginning but you [TS]

00:47:11   don't even like now I'm sure I was not [TS]

00:47:13   hiring into right there operating [TS]

00:47:14   systems or if you're going to hire [TS]

00:47:15   someone to be in charge of the real-time [TS]

00:47:18   operating system effort for your car or [TS]

00:47:21   whatever the guy who is the founder of q [TS]

00:47:24   NX is pretty darn good hire yeah and [TS]

00:47:27   real-time follow-up from wikipedia where [TS]

00:47:29   everything is guaranteed to be true at [TS]

00:47:31   the geneva motor show Apple demonstrated [TS]

00:47:33   carplay which provides an iOS like user [TS]

00:47:35   interface to head units and compatible [TS]

00:47:36   devices once configured by the [TS]

00:47:37   manufacturer QX can be programmed to [TS]

00:47:39   hand off its display in certain [TS]

00:47:40   functionality to an apple carplay device [TS]

00:47:42   so it seems at least for now that can [TS]

00:47:45   actually be used for carplay but like [TS]

00:47:47   John is as described maybe more than [TS]

00:47:49   that and blackberry about human acts [TS]

00:47:51   like it's not as if you can access the [TS]

00:47:53   only useful for real-time like [TS]

00:47:54   blackberry bottoms like oh they can be [TS]

00:47:55   our phone OS like it big QX is a [TS]

00:47:57   flexible operation you make do whatever [TS]

00:47:59   you want but for if Apple's ever going [TS]

00:48:02   to any self-driving stuff or even just [TS]

00:48:03   like the you know the the barrier to [TS]

00:48:06   entry for just a basic car with simple [TS]

00:48:08   smart cruise control and lane departure [TS]

00:48:10   warning stuff like that or even just [TS]

00:48:11   anti-lock braking systems or what [TS]

00:48:13   ever you need a real-time operating [TS]

00:48:15   system to do that type of functionality [TS]

00:48:17   and the question is always applicant it [TS]

00:48:21   invent one in house is already have one [TS]

00:48:23   in house is it going to I mean obviously [TS]

00:48:25   didn't just want the it hired this guy [TS]

00:48:27   didn't buy qnx I forget who owns the [TS]

00:48:29   assets the Qax maybe blackberry still [TS]

00:48:31   around i guess they still wanted at this [TS]

00:48:32   point mom anyway this is a problem that [TS]

00:48:37   they need solved if they're ever going [TS]

00:48:38   to make a car like an actual complete [TS]

00:48:41   car instead of just like some component [TS]

00:48:43   of a car the software system for a car [TS]

00:48:45   so I think this is the first public [TS]

00:48:48   signal that they are serious about this [TS]

00:48:52   aspect of the car as opposed to all the [TS]

00:48:53   rumors like well of course it's going to [TS]

00:48:54   be self driving and of course it's going [TS]

00:48:56   to that this higher really only makes [TS]

00:48:58   sense in that in the context of car [TS]

00:49:02   software that does the car stuff the [TS]

00:49:04   safety related car stuff [TS]

00:49:06   yeah the gentleman's name is damn dodge [TS]

00:49:08   for the record the unfortunate name for [TS]

00:49:11   really ended up not a motive sort of so [TS]

00:49:13   I guess that makes sense right [TS]

00:49:15   I know but Dodgers not really the brand [TS]

00:49:17   that i will probably want to evoke yeah [TS]

00:49:19   I don't know whatever i'm at least in [TS]

00:49:22   part of products with mopar family so [TS]

00:49:23   nobody's perfect but yeah it's really [TS]

00:49:26   interesting i like you said John I think [TS]

00:49:27   what's most interesting about this to me [TS]

00:49:29   is that it's a public signal that Apple [TS]

00:49:32   is moving towards automotive I mean sure [TS]

00:49:34   you could interpret this in many other [TS]

00:49:36   ways short qnx does seem to underpin [TS]

00:49:39   blackberry 10 or the the newest [TS]

00:49:41   blackberry operating system i think but [TS]

00:49:43   anyway the point is all signs point to [TS]

00:49:46   this being an automotive related higher [TS]

00:49:48   and and a high-profile one so I don't [TS]

00:49:51   know where there's smoke there's fire [TS]

00:49:52   and there's ever-increasing amounts of [TS]

00:49:54   smoke seem like Apple is kind of like [TS]

00:49:56   decreasing ly o lay about their car [TS]

00:50:00   plans they're like they're just not even [TS]

00:50:02   denying them anymore and he's like yeah [TS]

00:50:04   okay you guys all know we're making a [TS]

00:50:06   car right and something they could do [TS]

00:50:08   which is definitely an apple move is for [TS]

00:50:09   the first car that comes out 20 20 or [TS]

00:50:12   whatever like if they're just starting [TS]

00:50:13   the real-time operating system ever now [TS]

00:50:15   it's not gonna be ready in time for that [TS]

00:50:16   right so what they can do is release a [TS]

00:50:19   car that's not self-driving [TS]

00:50:21   it merely uses third-party components [TS]

00:50:23   for its engine control and anti-lock [TS]

00:50:25   brakes and it's airbags and it's smart [TS]

00:50:28   cruise control these are all things that [TS]

00:50:29   you can buy you know from various [TS]

00:50:31   manufacturers off-the-shelf an apple [TS]

00:50:33   does the car play part of the car right [TS]

00:50:35   in the UI and all the things that are [TS]

00:50:36   not real time that are just you know you [TS]

00:50:38   i type things and that's still a [TS]

00:50:41   perfectly good Apple car and in the [TS]

00:50:44   meantime over the next three or four or [TS]

00:50:45   five years they work on their [TS]

00:50:47   self-driving thing with their own [TS]

00:50:48   real-time operating system that it's [TS]

00:50:49   kinda like the ipod approach where you [TS]

00:50:51   know they had that pic slowest thing or [TS]

00:50:53   whatever the day from a third-party the [TS]

00:50:55   license then using their ipods when it [TS]

00:50:57   came time to the iphone they didn't put [TS]

00:50:58   that over [TS]

00:50:59   oh that was one of the competing options [TS]

00:51:01   internally they they did their own thing [TS]

00:51:02   it takes a long time to do your own [TS]

00:51:04   thing [TS]

00:51:04   I'm not sure depending on what stage [TS]

00:51:06   there right now and if this is coming on [TS]

00:51:08   board to Shepherd their multi-year [TS]

00:51:11   running real-time operating system [TS]

00:51:13   effort to just make sure like it's on [TS]

00:51:15   track in to you know get a gun then [TS]

00:51:17   maybe they can hit 2020 but if they're [TS]

00:51:19   just starting their ever now and [TS]

00:51:20   staffing up i don't think they're gonna [TS]

00:51:21   be ready in time for current running and [TS]

00:51:23   I think they need to be because nobody [TS]

00:51:25   has produced a completely self driving [TS]

00:51:27   car this point they can drive in any [TS]

00:51:29   roads and I don't think apple is going [TS]

00:51:30   to in 2020 either so it might be smart [TS]

00:51:32   to put out a car that is impressive and [TS]

00:51:35   good in all the ways that Apple's cars [TS]

00:51:37   can be good but that Apple outsources [TS]

00:51:39   all the parts that it's not innovating [TS]

00:51:41   and essentially like they don't have any [TS]

00:51:43   particular innovation to add to and you [TS]

00:51:45   like breaking your or adaptive cruise [TS]

00:51:46   control or engine control and so there's [TS]

00:51:48   no reason for them to put their own [TS]

00:51:49   operates in fact it's a huge risk to do [TS]

00:51:51   that just their third party vendors who [TS]

00:51:53   make parts for the rest of the car [TS]

00:51:55   industry that you can buy those things [TS]

00:51:56   from the software and hardware they [TS]

00:51:58   should just do that and put all their [TS]

00:52:00   effort into the design of the car and [TS]

00:52:02   the UI in the parts that they're good at [TS]

00:52:03   all right so I guess we're out of [TS]

00:52:06   neutral portion of the show which means [TS]

00:52:07   only one thing left to talk about that [TS]

00:52:08   we might have to go through the stupid [TS]

00:52:10   tivo section i offer i can explain the [TS]

00:52:13   mp3 file format to you if you want and [TS]

00:52:14   why podcasts apparently aren't and maybe [TS]

00:52:16   can't be vbr oh yeah where does that go [TS]

00:52:19   that was in the show notes then [TS]

00:52:20   disappear it John demoted it right [TS]

00:52:22   before the show oh I was the motive the [TS]

00:52:24   Swift thing too is I don't think there's [TS]

00:52:26   much to say but you put their gay so [TS]

00:52:27   what you have to say about swift swift [TS]

00:52:29   update it's gonna be quick to be honest [TS]

00:52:30   mostly I just wanted to hear you hear [TS]

00:52:32   your reaction to the line about [TS]

00:52:34   the the goal being to be better at [TS]

00:52:37   regular was it regular expressions then [TS]

00:52:39   purl way to remember a time i read them [TS]

00:52:42   on the Swift evolution mailing list i [TS]

00:52:43   read all these things I'm I'm soaking in [TS]

00:52:46   it there's nothing that's what is going [TS]

00:52:49   to be surprised [TS]

00:52:50   that's a reference to an ad that was on [TS]

00:52:52   before you're both delightful anyway so [TS]

00:52:54   I tell me John what you think about this [TS]

00:52:56   claim that Swift will be better than [TS]

00:52:58   string processing then purl not a claim [TS]

00:53:02   it's a goal and the goal is not a [TS]

00:53:03   promise if you would know if you read [TS]

00:53:04   this [TS]

00:53:04   yes i did read it I did really just [TS]

00:53:06   kinda I'm just trying to get you to get [TS]

00:53:08   a rise out of you anyway tell me about [TS]

00:53:10   it [TS]

00:53:10   number its fine so like Swift three that [TS]

00:53:13   a lot of lofty goals some of them is [TS]

00:53:15   particularly ABI stability they didn't [TS]

00:53:17   get not api api application binary [TS]

00:53:21   interface which basically means can [TS]

00:53:22   Apple build a library and Swift and ship [TS]

00:53:26   it with their operating system and then [TS]

00:53:27   people ship applications that link to [TS]

00:53:30   that binary and then can they update [TS]

00:53:32   that binary the next person operating [TS]

00:53:33   system and not break people's [TS]

00:53:34   applications because the applications [TS]

00:53:37   that are linking to the library and [TS]

00:53:38   expecting things to be in certain places [TS]

00:53:39   and find certain symbols [TS]

00:53:41   how do you update that you need ABI [TS]

00:53:42   stability if you change the calling [TS]

00:53:44   convention 04 libraries and you release [TS]

00:53:46   a new version of that library it will [TS]

00:53:49   break everybody's applications because [TS]

00:53:50   they they're binaries expect a call in [TS]

00:53:51   to a different way so so if the still [TS]

00:53:53   point where they haven't nailed that [TS]

00:53:54   town and wanted to episode 3 but it [TS]

00:53:57   didn't make it a lot of things they did [TS]

00:53:59   doing with three are the reason because [TS]

00:54:01   they're still trying to nail down [TS]

00:54:02   generics and some other features that [TS]

00:54:04   effect [TS]

00:54:05   ABI and also this resiliency stuff where [TS]

00:54:07   it's like if we change aspects of the [TS]

00:54:10   language now again can we make a new [TS]

00:54:12   version of library and have the old [TS]

00:54:14   applications still work with it [TS]

00:54:15   this is important for its most important [TS]

00:54:18   for us vendors what Apple does the ship [TS]

00:54:19   libraries like UI kit and many other [TS]

00:54:21   you know it's an umbrella framework [TS]

00:54:22   whatever huge libraries that application [TS]

00:54:25   link against individual application [TS]

00:54:27   developers for the most part unless they [TS]

00:54:28   have like a suite of applications and [TS]

00:54:30   they have their own frameworks that they [TS]

00:54:31   share between them [TS]

00:54:32   you can always application better just [TS]

00:54:34   at the link your whole thing but you're [TS]

00:54:35   going to dynamically linked to the OS [TS]

00:54:36   libraries but up until this point [TS]

00:54:39   everyone shipping a swift app was sort [TS]

00:54:41   of shifting shipping uh with the entire [TS]

00:54:44   Swift standard library as part of their [TS]

00:54:46   application because it was the only safe [TS]

00:54:48   way to do that and that's sort of [TS]

00:54:49   untenable even for applications to be [TS]

00:54:51   shipped that way so apples gonna fix [TS]

00:54:53   that problem and swift for that is now [TS]

00:54:55   they're going for so forth they still [TS]

00:54:57   have some issues to work out [TS]

00:54:59   leftover stuff from 23 to make that [TS]

00:55:01   possible and they're trying to put [TS]

00:55:03   forward two phases one is like the [TS]

00:55:05   important stuff and then it's like the [TS]

00:55:06   threat the frills [TS]

00:55:08   interestingly the in the important stuff [TS]

00:55:09   section the stage one of swift for one [TS]

00:55:12   thing the case he was talking about is [TS]

00:55:13   that they're going to take another crack [TS]

00:55:14   at their strings they can change the [TS]

00:55:16   strings couple times already and they're [TS]

00:55:18   gonna fill with them again and their [TS]

00:55:19   goal is to be as good at string handling [TS]

00:55:21   as parlous which is actually fairly [TS]

00:55:23   lofty goal because parole for all its [TS]

00:55:26   historic weirdness is actually really [TS]

00:55:28   fast dealing with strings and can do [TS]

00:55:31   things that most other languages can do [TS]

00:55:33   in terms of Unicode and all sorts of [TS]

00:55:35   cool stuff like that [TS]

00:55:36   I to hold on i was going to ask you [TS]

00:55:38   about this I I now I am NOT trying to [TS]

00:55:40   needle um honestly asking what makes [TS]

00:55:43   pearl so good at string processing I [TS]

00:55:44   know that like regular expressions [TS]

00:55:46   expressions are I guess like a first [TS]

00:55:48   class citizen or something but I've [TS]

00:55:49   written very little pearl my life and it [TS]

00:55:50   was a long time ago so can you give like [TS]

00:55:53   an executive summary of what makes pearl [TS]

00:55:55   so don't go to this because it seems [TS]

00:55:56   universally accepted that it is so why [TS]

00:55:59   well this two aspects one is string [TS]

00:56:02   representation which is weird and pearl [TS]

00:56:04   for historical reasons and is actually [TS]

00:56:05   very complicated but for example in a [TS]

00:56:09   language like objective-c that doesn't [TS]

00:56:10   sort of have native strings like you've [TS]

00:56:13   got you know character pointers which [TS]

00:56:15   are no good for you because we live in [TS]

00:56:17   the modern world [TS]

00:56:18   I mean you had a string and a string is [TS]

00:56:21   like utf-16 under the covers [TS]

00:56:23   there's also some methods to get what [TS]

00:56:24   you want but it's not a particularly [TS]

00:56:25   efficient format if you had to pick like [TS]

00:56:27   you never pick utf-16 as an internal [TS]

00:56:29   representation for because it's just not [TS]

00:56:30   it's not the way to do things [TS]

00:56:33   in the modern world it's bigger than you [TS]

00:56:34   wanted to be it's still not fixed size [TS]

00:56:37   because you have things that did take [TS]

00:56:38   you know it's not everyone that you know [TS]

00:56:40   you have characters take multiple sets [TS]

00:56:43   of the bytes in studio it's not it's not [TS]

00:56:46   uniform like an array-like it has all [TS]

00:56:48   the disadvantages none of the advantages [TS]

00:56:49   pearls representation used to just be [TS]

00:56:53   bag of bytes and they were smart enough [TS]

00:56:55   to switch to utf-8 internally pro can do [TS]

00:56:58   everything every other language can in [TS]

00:57:00   terms that has libraries that you could [TS]

00:57:02   encode and decode however you want the [TS]

00:57:04   way you want to write things in pearl is [TS]

00:57:06   when you pull data into pearl from [TS]

00:57:09   whatever from the disk from the network [TS]

00:57:10   or whatever that string data you have to [TS]

00:57:12   know the encoding obviously because [TS]

00:57:14   otherwise how do you help you know how [TS]

00:57:15   to deal with it and you want to sort of [TS]

00:57:17   decoded into pearls internal [TS]

00:57:18   representation then all three or poker [TS]

00:57:21   program you want to deal with I don't [TS]

00:57:23   know what you might call it like pearl [TS]

00:57:24   strings where they they are just strings [TS]

00:57:28   that pearl understand that you don't [TS]

00:57:30   have to deal with the encoding and all [TS]

00:57:32   pearls functions in terms of regular [TS]

00:57:33   expressions and sub string matching and [TS]

00:57:35   all sorts of other stuff deal with them [TS]

00:57:37   as logical sense of characters or fan of [TS]

00:57:41   comic characters whereas unicode code [TS]

00:57:42   points right and when you output them [TS]

00:57:45   whether to be a disk file or terminal or [TS]

00:57:48   over the network whatever at that point [TS]

00:57:50   you decide how you want to encode it for [TS]

00:57:52   transmission you turn it back into a [TS]

00:57:54   byte sequence with the utf-8 16 so on [TS]

00:57:56   and so forth and because the modern [TS]

00:57:58   world basically uses utf-8 everywhere [TS]

00:57:59   and parole you know secret secret [TS]

00:58:03   unbeknownst to you use utf-8 internally [TS]

00:58:05   as internal representation you can go [TS]

00:58:07   through that whole cycle without ever [TS]

00:58:08   having to encode and decode which is not [TS]

00:58:10   the case for a string which isn't a [TS]

00:58:12   native feature of delicacy and every [TS]

00:58:14   time you come from utf-8 and tennis [TS]

00:58:15   string instrumental string back to utf-8 [TS]

00:58:17   it's an expensive process so that's just [TS]

00:58:20   like the most fundamental level [TS]

00:58:22   why is it convenient to deal with stuff [TS]

00:58:23   in Pearl because they picked a good [TS]

00:58:25   internal representation format because i [TS]

00:58:26   have a system that says we decode on the [TS]

00:58:29   way in our entire working with the [TS]

00:58:31   string of the program you don't have to [TS]

00:58:32   worry about the reputation but trust us [TS]

00:58:33   it'll be efficient and an output UN code [TS]

00:58:36   to whatever you want to be and that's a [TS]

00:58:38   no op it's utf-8 through the whole way [TS]

00:58:40   and then after that it's like okay well [TS]

00:58:41   then your representation is good your [TS]

00:58:44   algorithms are efficient in terms of [TS]

00:58:46   allocating but for strings when you [TS]

00:58:48   start a pending and realizes you're [TS]

00:58:49   going to keep ending so pre-allocated [TS]

00:58:50   you know like also just smart things [TS]

00:58:52   like that [TS]

00:58:53   Pearl's regular expression engine is you [TS]

00:58:55   know that the gold standard of a regular [TS]

00:58:57   expression engines in terms of the [TS]

00:58:59   number of years that have been put into [TS]

00:59:00   both the syntax and the engine itself [TS]

00:59:02   with all sorts of crazy efficiencies [TS]

00:59:04   we're going to look at your regular [TS]

00:59:05   expression figure out you know what i [TS]

00:59:08   can see that is it faster way to do this [TS]

00:59:10   than using you know just a regular [TS]

00:59:12   regular session I could do something [TS]

00:59:13   simpler because I can shortcut this by [TS]

00:59:16   looking at the anchor and optimizing it [TS]

00:59:18   to an index lookup or use a DFA when [TS]

00:59:20   it's faster than fa rapes engine because [TS]

00:59:23   I can look at the regular session like [TS]

00:59:24   it is very clever optimizations for [TS]

00:59:27   regular expression engine addition to [TS]

00:59:28   all the features i think we're talking [TS]

00:59:31   about for the Swift stuff is they just [TS]

00:59:33   want their switch strings to be as [TS]

00:59:34   powerful as pearl strings is convenient [TS]

00:59:36   to deal with that have a nice can be [TS]

00:59:38   methods for doing things and that when [TS]

00:59:39   you use those methods things are fast [TS]

00:59:41   because you can get in trouble really [TS]

00:59:43   fast with strings if you have to keep [TS]

00:59:44   changing representation internally or [TS]

00:59:46   your internal representation is weird [TS]

00:59:47   and anytime you have to do any operation [TS]

00:59:49   you have to like walk the whole string [TS]

00:59:50   defined boundaries between things or [TS]

00:59:52   whatever there's lots of lots of chances [TS]

00:59:55   for inefficiency or even just like you [TS]

00:59:57   have a string in your repeatedly pending [TS]

00:59:59   and making a bigger and biggest [TS]

00:59:59   and making a bigger and biggest [TS]

01:00:00   bring that can be massively inefficient [TS]

01:00:01   to if you are careful about how you [TS]

01:00:02   allocate memory so pearl for all the [TS]

01:00:05   weirdness know there is one is related [TS]

01:00:07   to this that didn't wanna go into mom is [TS]

01:00:10   very fast and has like all the features [TS]

01:00:13   you can possibly imagine some which may [TS]

01:00:14   be obscure but the investments was going [TS]

01:00:16   for they want to be faster than NS [TS]

01:00:18   string which they didn't list but [TS]

01:00:19   they're not gonna throw their own stuff [TS]

01:00:20   under the best number faster and better [TS]

01:00:22   than NS string native to the language [TS]

01:00:25   and really efficient internally with [TS]

01:00:28   lots of operations and then regular [TS]

01:00:29   expressions were in the face to where [TS]

01:00:31   it's like that's a nice day we just need [TS]

01:00:32   to get the string representation and the [TS]

01:00:34   basic features down and then we can add [TS]

01:00:35   regular expressions at any point after [TS]

01:00:37   that and that's a whole the project like [TS]

01:00:39   how do we make a really fast regular [TS]

01:00:40   expression engine but that's that's in [TS]

01:00:42   the face to box the phase two is the [TS]

01:00:44   goodies in phase one is like eat your [TS]

01:00:46   vegetables and get get our house in [TS]

01:00:48   order to get everybody down figure out [TS]

01:00:50   with generics going to be and by the way [TS]

01:00:52   async stuff that's that's even farther [TS]

01:00:55   in history it's not even gonna be so for [TS]

01:00:57   probably know like icing kuwait and I [TS]

01:00:59   actually didn't get to use that too much [TS]

01:01:01   my C sharp days but i know enough to [TS]

01:01:03   know that's super awesome but you know [TS]

01:01:05   what i did use a lot of my csharp days [TS]

01:01:06   and i'm really excited about reflection [TS]

01:01:09   super stoked about that was that stage [TS]

01:01:11   one I forget this reflection stage 1 [TS]

01:01:13   stage 2 so reflection is basically a it [TS]

01:01:16   allows you to it allows your code to [TS]

01:01:18   look at itself [TS]

01:01:20   hence reflection and make decisions [TS]

01:01:22   about things and i think i like it so [TS]

01:01:26   much because it's my favorite hammer and [TS]

01:01:28   so everything looks like a nail to me [TS]

01:01:30   and there's certainly appropriate times [TS]

01:01:32   and ways to use reflection and [TS]

01:01:33   inappropriate times and ways to use [TS]

01:01:34   reflection but they're there sometimes I [TS]

01:01:37   can think of a contrived example right [TS]

01:01:38   off my head but there are some times [TS]

01:01:40   when when reflection is a very powerful [TS]

01:01:42   way to solve a problem and I think a lot [TS]

01:01:45   of the kvetching that was going on in [TS]

01:01:47   the past about how swift is not dynamic [TS]

01:01:50   enough for some of the developers [TS]

01:01:53   particular generally speaking the old [TS]

01:01:55   objective-c guard a lot of that would [TS]

01:01:58   potentially a lot of that complaining [TS]

01:02:00   would potentially go away with more [TS]

01:02:02   robust reflection because there is some [TS]

01:02:03   support Swift but it's really really [TS]

01:02:05   crappy that's with today but it's really [TS]

01:02:07   crappy i don't i'm excited about what's [TS]

01:02:11   coming I think [TS]

01:02:12   everything in this post by chris lattner [TS]

01:02:15   which will link in the show notes all [TS]

01:02:17   that is worth reading I don't think [TS]

01:02:19   there's any really wasted words and i'm [TS]

01:02:21   really curious to see where this goes it [TS]

01:02:22   seems like they're learning from their [TS]

01:02:24   mistakes are learning from [TS]

01:02:25   over-promising and under-delivering or [TS]

01:02:27   maybe it seems from their perspective [TS]

01:02:29   they didn't necessarily promise ABI best [TS]

01:02:31   ability in three but they didn't do a [TS]

01:02:35   good job of staying with their intention [TS]

01:02:37   was whether or not you agree with that [TS]

01:02:39   whatever but the point is they're trying [TS]

01:02:40   to be a lot better about that in the [TS]

01:02:42   future maybe a stability was a goal so [TS]

01:02:44   if everybody got as they got into [TS]

01:02:46   swiftrage i think they realized a couple [TS]

01:02:47   of things one of the the appetite for [TS]

01:02:51   syntax changes and Swift seems to be [TS]

01:02:53   waning like as in people got it kinda [TS]

01:02:56   like I just learned with two or Swift [TS]

01:02:58   2.12 by now we're gonna change it again [TS]

01:03:00   as with three and so there was kind of [TS]

01:03:02   eventually a a rush say look this is [TS]

01:03:05   probably our last big chance to change [TS]

01:03:08   some tax stuff so everybody let's like [TS]

01:03:10   it was any other sin tax crap in the [TS]

01:03:12   language overusing equals here we should [TS]

01:03:14   use the colons or casing of things [TS]

01:03:16   inconsistent between this and that and [TS]

01:03:18   picking new keywords like now is the [TS]

01:03:20   time to do is I spent a lot of time and [TS]

01:03:21   Swift three doing syntax breaking [TS]

01:03:24   changes non backward compatible changes [TS]

01:03:26   to the language itself to the characters [TS]

01:03:28   that you type to make your programs [TS]

01:03:30   because they're trying to really say we [TS]

01:03:33   got a little bit you know a little [TS]

01:03:34   trailing end of syntax changes numbers [TS]

01:03:36   shutting the door on that and we're [TS]

01:03:37   saying now that we're never going to [TS]

01:03:39   have them again but they're they're [TS]

01:03:40   going to be really you know they have to [TS]

01:03:42   be really justified as to be really [TS]

01:03:44   strong reason to then we're going to try [TS]

01:03:45   to maintain source cumulative [TS]

01:03:47   probability from Iran so there's a big [TS]

01:03:49   rush to get those things in the second [TS]

01:03:51   part is when dealing with the ABI stuff [TS]

01:03:53   they still haven't sorted out all the [TS]

01:03:56   generic system and other things that [TS]

01:03:57   that affect the ABI because they have to [TS]

01:03:59   figure out what kind of things are we [TS]

01:04:02   going to be calling in what ways and [TS]

01:04:04   everything before they can nail down all [TS]

01:04:05   the ABI and if they hadn't started out [TS]

01:04:08   that part of language is impossible to [TS]

01:04:09   the API so it's kind of like they [TS]

01:04:11   weren't ready to do the ABI yet because [TS]

01:04:14   there are other things that they had to [TS]

01:04:15   do first like they went off into the [TS]

01:04:17   weeds and we're dancing through the [TS]

01:04:18   daisies and doing other frivolous things [TS]

01:04:20   right [TS]

01:04:21   they realize that actually were not at [TS]

01:04:23   the point yet where we [TS]

01:04:24   can do ABI stability we haven't figured [TS]

01:04:26   out all these things that are [TS]

01:04:27   prerequisites for it so they spent all [TS]

01:04:28   their time trying to sort of get all [TS]

01:04:31   that painful stuff out of the way and [TS]

01:04:33   develop and they're still doing that do [TS]

01:04:34   all the prerequisites and then hopefully [TS]

01:04:36   in this in the swift for Stage one time [TS]

01:04:38   frame they will have all that i'm not [TS]

01:04:39   sure you know again they were trying to [TS]

01:04:41   be careful say this is a goal or [TS]

01:04:42   whatever not a promise it's still not a [TS]

01:04:45   promise with stage one thing who knows [TS]

01:04:46   how this will turn out because you can't [TS]

01:04:48   like the worst mistake they can make is [TS]

01:04:50   to rush the ABI stability and be stuck [TS]

01:04:52   with a dumb calling convention that [TS]

01:04:54   prevents them from adding features later [TS]

01:04:55   this is like the most important time to [TS]

01:04:57   not rush to nail things down and set in [TS]

01:05:00   concrete because once you do that and I [TS]

01:05:03   will start shipping frameworks that [TS]

01:05:04   people like their apps against that's it [TS]

01:05:06   you can't renege on that you can't like [TS]

01:05:08   oh we're breaking all your absence next [TS]

01:05:09   release we compile everything right [TS]

01:05:11   they I mean they really really don't [TS]

01:05:12   want to do that kind of like you know [TS]

01:05:14   for for an OS vendor for platform render [TS]

01:05:16   API promises are something you really [TS]

01:05:19   don't want to break or if you do break [TS]

01:05:21   them you want to a carbon 64 and break [TS]

01:05:23   it before you actually shipped to [TS]

01:05:24   customers and they're still pissed off [TS]

01:05:25   about that because they are developed [TS]

01:05:27   applications against it and plan their [TS]

01:05:28   products and so is over but it's even [TS]

01:05:29   worse to be shipped to customers and [TS]

01:05:31   then a year later say up you know what [TS]

01:05:33   all your apps don't work anymore and [TS]

01:05:34   people update their operating system [TS]

01:05:36   sorry about that so this is really a [TS]

01:05:39   critical time in Swift and it's much [TS]

01:05:41   much better for them to continue to miss [TS]

01:05:43   dates and to make sure they have it [TS]

01:05:45   solid because once you set this in stone [TS]

01:05:47   and start shipping and frameworks that's [TS]

01:05:49   it for many many many years that makes [TS]

01:05:53   sense [TS]

01:05:53   Marco you have a lot to add on this [TS]

01:05:55   would you like to add about this whole [TS]

01:05:58   Swift thing haha final sponsor tonight [TS]

01:06:02   is 0 [TS]

01:06:04   despite its importance in everyday life [TS]

01:06:06   Wi-Fi is broken Wi-Fi never reaches your [TS]

01:06:09   entire house you have slow zones you [TS]

01:06:11   have dead zones and you try try to solve [TS]

01:06:13   it with these routers and have like six [TS]

01:06:15   antennas on them they look these crazy [TS]

01:06:17   things and every router claims oh now [TS]

01:06:20   now we have increased range and it just [TS]

01:06:22   doesn't work very well and you only have [TS]

01:06:24   one access point just doesn't work the [TS]

01:06:26   single router model in practice cannot [TS]

01:06:29   cover your whole house very well for [TS]

01:06:31   most people so what you need is a [TS]

01:06:33   distributed system of multiple Wi-Fi [TS]

01:06:35   routers [TS]

01:06:36   and 0 makes this really really easy with [TS]

01:06:39   these nice small devices and they sell [TS]

01:06:42   them to you any quantity when you can [TS]

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01:06:45   buy like 235 they recommend one per [TS]

01:06:48   thousand square feet in your house so [TS]

01:06:50   most houses wanted two or three of them [TS]

01:06:51   these are like these little tiny routers [TS]

01:06:54   about the size of an apple TV and use [TS]

01:06:56   plug them into one of them you plug into [TS]

01:06:58   your internet connection the other ones [TS]

01:07:00   you can you can just plug them into any [TS]

01:07:02   outlet in your house and they [TS]

01:07:04   communicate with the other ones [TS]

01:07:05   wirelessly and they build a little mesh [TS]

01:07:07   network so that you don't have to be [TS]

01:07:08   running ethernet wires all over your [TS]

01:07:10   house to have multiple access points and [TS]

01:07:12   the way they do it with this mesh [TS]

01:07:13   network it's actually faster than you [TS]

01:07:15   think like it isn't just like a repeater [TS]

01:07:17   they actually do this kind of side [TS]

01:07:19   network in its way faster than like it's [TS]

01:07:21   a simpler Peter would be and you guys [TS]

01:07:23   have gyros this works pretty well for [TS]

01:07:24   you right [TS]

01:07:25   yep yep i have a set that they sent me [TS]

01:07:27   three and i plug them in thinking i'll [TS]

01:07:31   just try this out so I can talk about on [TS]

01:07:32   the sponsor me then I'll go back to my [TS]

01:07:33   actually relatively old airport extreme [TS]

01:07:35   and the i'm looking at my ear one of my [TS]

01:07:39   three-year-olds right now because it's [TS]

01:07:40   sitting right next to me because I liked [TS]

01:07:42   it enough that i never disconnected it [TS]

01:07:43   so the management through the ios app is [TS]

01:07:45   great it's simple in a good way and i [TS]

01:07:47   really like it did the same thing I i [TS]

01:07:49   hook them up thinking all trying out for [TS]

01:07:51   you know because their sponsor still [TS]

01:07:53   hooked up [TS]

01:07:54   there's then I also still have my other [TS]

01:07:55   router connected to have them in bridge [TS]

01:07:57   mode like not that i would recommend [TS]

01:07:59   doing this really you should just get [TS]

01:08:00   these and they will do everything but [TS]

01:08:01   because i have all these rules in my [TS]

01:08:02   airport router you can set up in bridge [TS]

01:08:04   mode so i have my previous wireless [TS]

01:08:06   router not doing anything wireless [TS]

01:08:07   anymore and those things too is [TS]

01:08:09   everywhere and I can't go back to not [TS]

01:08:11   having you know five little fan shape [TS]

01:08:13   things everywhere in my house [TS]

01:08:15   yeah i mean zero it's such a better [TS]

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01:08:46   it's time whether you end the show or [TS]

01:08:51   not because if you try to the show now [TS]

01:08:52   it's just going to be in the after-show [TS]

01:08:53   that's still part of the show [TS]

01:08:55   it's so the thing of it is I swear to [TS]

01:08:57   god it's true i opened and I message [TS]

01:08:59   window and started writing to Marco you [TS]

01:09:02   should just end the show after the Swift [TS]

01:09:04   I know I know your plan doesn't matter [TS]

01:09:06   doesn't matter if you do it you go ahead [TS]

01:09:07   and show we're just gonna do in the [TS]

01:09:08   afternoon I didn't send it I was going I [TS]

01:09:11   was going to have you know i was gonna I [TS]

01:09:13   was gonna tell him just do it just end [TS]

01:09:15   the show and then we'll do it the [TS]

01:09:16   after-show but it'll be a funny moment [TS]

01:09:17   but that as i was typing that I message [TS]

01:09:19   I swear to god this is true as i was [TS]

01:09:21   typing the iMessage it occurred to me we [TS]

01:09:23   had more sponsor to do and then I [TS]

01:09:24   resigned myself to my fate [TS]

01:09:27   John tell us everything that I'm so [TS]

01:09:29   excited to know about tebow what you [TS]

01:09:31   want to hear but mp3 file format i would [TS]

01:09:33   love to but somebody had to move it down [TS]

01:09:36   no that doesn't deserve the place that I [TS]

01:09:38   got that'sthat's down by how we handle [TS]

01:09:40   email now [TS]

01:09:41   tivo tivo was purchased by Rho V a long [TS]

01:09:46   long time ago [TS]

01:09:47   solo in April long time I tried so hard [TS]

01:09:51   you guys let's go over the list of [TS]

01:09:53   things that have happened since the yeah [TS]

01:09:55   rovi is used to be gemstar even [TS]

01:09:58   remembers them and make like on screen [TS]

01:10:01   TV guides like that big gray would you [TS]

01:10:02   pick some channels and macrovision do [TS]

01:10:04   you actually remember macrovision like [TS]

01:10:06   when it was a thing i do know it was [TS]

01:10:08   like a copy protection for VHS tapes [TS]

01:10:11   like analog protections and if you [TS]

01:10:12   bought a VHS that had a movie on that [TS]

01:10:14   you tried to make a copy of it and now [TS]

01:10:16   the right equipment the copy would have [TS]

01:10:18   all these little fuzzy things on it [TS]

01:10:19   wouldn't look good it was very silly [TS]

01:10:21   yeah but it has that is weird like [TS]

01:10:23   alternating bright and dark line that [TS]

01:10:25   was in the overscan range of the TV [TS]

01:10:27   picture so that it wouldn't show up on a [TS]

01:10:29   TV but the idea was to throw off the [TS]

01:10:31   automatic gain control of the VCR that [TS]

01:10:33   would you possibly flight from bright to [TS]

01:10:35   dark and show we are things in this one [TS]

01:10:37   line so garbled the maximum brightness [TS]

01:10:39   of the signal is really high right now [TS]

01:10:41   so tournament game control down and then [TS]

01:10:44   like then it would go back loading area [TS]

01:10:46   that now turning trigger making control [TS]

01:10:47   up and so if you made a copy of a movie [TS]

01:10:49   with this with the VCR when you know [TS]

01:10:51   most VCRs would try to automatically [TS]

01:10:52   balance the brightness of the picture [TS]

01:10:54   the movie would just isolated a few [TS]

01:10:56   seconds from light to dark and light to [TS]

01:10:58   dark [TS]

01:10:58   as it was adjusting for this line that [TS]

01:11:00   was actually off-screen yeah of [TS]

01:11:02   protection has always been crappy but [TS]

01:11:04   anyway this is the company that bought [TS]

01:11:06   team its kind of someone had mp3 file [TS]

01:11:07   format works actually if you get that so [TS]

01:11:09   many more [TS]

01:11:10   no we're not talking about that now I'm [TS]

01:11:12   so the company rovi is a combination of [TS]

01:11:15   jumpstart macrovision so this is not a [TS]

01:11:17   company that really makes products that [TS]

01:11:20   people love like who love macrovision I [TS]

01:11:22   guess content owners did I mean throwing [TS]

01:11:25   Rambis and that you have let you know [TS]

01:11:26   rambutan lots and you have really a [TS]

01:11:28   favorite team here but Ram bus made like [TS]

01:11:31   in theory you know their patterns that [TS]

01:11:34   were used in products to people like but [TS]

01:11:36   yeah until they were convicted for fraud [TS]

01:11:38   because at deep links anyone like that [TS]

01:11:41   you know the gemstar on screen TV guides [TS]

01:11:44   like a bit to jumpstart suffers [TS]

01:11:45   enterprise software was sold to people [TS]

01:11:47   who make cable boxes and macrovision was [TS]

01:11:48   licensed to people who you know you know [TS]

01:11:52   content owners for making their thing so [TS]

01:11:53   this is the company that bought tivo [TS]

01:11:55   just give a very very brief Tebow recap [TS]

01:11:58   people who don't know what the boys [TS]

01:11:59   because it's increasingly larger number [TS]

01:12:01   of people that evil was one of the [TS]

01:12:04   original and probably the best-known [TS]

01:12:05   makers of dvrs digital video recorders [TS]

01:12:08   which is like a VCR but instead of [TS]

01:12:09   recording television onto a bunch of [TS]

01:12:11   tapes and records that video onto your [TS]

01:12:13   hard drive in the beginning they were [TS]

01:12:15   they would take analog video and [TS]

01:12:16   recorded onto a hard drive and [TS]

01:12:17   eventually they worked with cable cars [TS]

01:12:19   in digital stuff or whatever and not a [TS]

01:12:22   lot of people bought TiVo's in the grand [TS]

01:12:23   scheme of things people who bought them [TS]

01:12:24   early on early adopters like change [TS]

01:12:26   their lives are changing bar alive we [TS]

01:12:29   bought goblin around the same time we [TS]

01:12:31   had kids when we couldn't like schedule [TS]

01:12:33   your lives around like Oh a television [TS]

01:12:35   show is going to be on a date I better [TS]

01:12:36   be at the TVA if I got some possible the [TS]

01:12:38   children so along with getting a digital [TS]

01:12:40   camera getting a tivo around the same [TS]

01:12:42   time we had kids was a really smart move [TS]

01:12:43   because now we no longer had to be on [TS]

01:12:45   the schedule of televisions and really [TS]

01:12:47   totally changed your life but in terms [TS]

01:12:50   of how to deal with television everyone [TS]

01:12:52   has tivo especially but early on like [TS]

01:12:54   the fact that you could pause live [TS]

01:12:55   television you recorded anything whether [TS]

01:12:56   you could choose the show's you want to [TS]

01:12:58   record by picking the shows instead of [TS]

01:13:00   programming your VCR to say record [TS]

01:13:02   channel for an 8pm and stop recording at [TS]

01:13:04   9pm and you would have to do that it [TS]

01:13:07   just had a built-in guide the children [TS]

01:13:09   the show you to a season pass for show [TS]

01:13:10   to say i want to watch next [TS]

01:13:12   calls whenever the x-files on is [TS]

01:13:13   recorded only record the new episodes [TS]

01:13:15   don't record the repeats all sorts of [TS]

01:13:17   good stuff like that it just became the [TS]

01:13:20   way we watch television you never [TS]

01:13:21   actually watched live television and of [TS]

01:13:22   course the most important feature is the [TS]

01:13:25   skip button where you could skip 30 [TS]

01:13:27   seconds at a time so you wouldn't have [TS]

01:13:28   to see any commercials because your DVR [TS]

01:13:30   you tivo would record the commercials [TS]

01:13:31   but you would skip over them when you [TS]

01:13:32   watch because he wants to watch that the [TS]

01:13:34   current version of tebow has a series [TS]

01:13:37   i'm assuming a series of humans figuring [TS]

01:13:39   out where all the commercial break [TS]

01:13:40   boundaries are and shows so now when [TS]

01:13:42   you're watching tivo when the commercial [TS]

01:13:44   start you can hit one button it just [TS]

01:13:45   jumps past all the commercials in a [TS]

01:13:47   single button press you may ask yourself [TS]

01:13:49   hey why do I have to even push the [TS]

01:13:50   button why doesn't the table just [TS]

01:13:51   exercise the commercials for me [TS]

01:13:53   well replaytv did something like that a [TS]

01:13:55   competitive and I got suit out of [TS]

01:13:57   existence so he was kind of dancing [TS]

01:13:59   around but anyway I love TiVo's I keep [TS]

01:14:01   buying them i always buy the most [TS]

01:14:03   expensive biggest best TV like possibly [TS]

01:14:05   can and when a new one comes out i buy [TS]

01:14:07   that one and keep replacing them they're [TS]

01:14:09   fairly expensive there's either a [TS]

01:14:11   monthly fee or you pay a huge amount of [TS]

01:14:13   money for like a lifetime service and I [TS]

01:14:15   you should just do that because you know [TS]

01:14:16   we use the TV wasn't just rotate around [TS]

01:14:18   the house i'm a big proponent of tivo [TS]

01:14:21   for many many years I've complained that [TS]

01:14:23   their software and hardware has been [TS]

01:14:24   terrible for the amount of money you pay [TS]

01:14:26   it should be incredibly fast and [TS]

01:14:28   responsive and it hasn't been they've [TS]

01:14:29   improved that in recent years but [TS]

01:14:31   apparently not enough to make people buy [TS]

01:14:32   their products so I'm if you listen to [TS]

01:14:35   I don't hypocritical of me complaining [TS]

01:14:37   about tivo or many podcasts have [TS]

01:14:38   complained about it same way we can play [TS]

01:14:40   about cap Apple it's like its product [TS]

01:14:42   well for me and it's a product i love [TS]

01:14:44   that i think is the best in the industry [TS]

01:14:46   but that it could be better in obvious [TS]

01:14:49   ways and I've always complain that the [TS]

01:14:51   company seems not to know how to be [TS]

01:14:53   successful and doesn't understand what [TS]

01:14:55   it's got like many times I was asking [TS]

01:14:57   the charge me more money for higher-end [TS]

01:14:59   product that higher margins like I was [TS]

01:15:01   ready and willing to pay but really they [TS]

01:15:02   were going down Market to try to grow [TS]

01:15:03   their their user base anyway everybody [TS]

01:15:07   didn't work they were never able to [TS]

01:15:09   really make any money they're streaming [TS]

01:15:11   services came and started their lunch [TS]

01:15:13   and I was sad about that because I think [TS]

01:15:16   you know until cable companies released [TS]

01:15:19   their death grip on all the content that [TS]

01:15:21   we all love which is happening slowly [TS]

01:15:22   like a lot [TS]

01:15:23   large increasing number of the shows [TS]

01:15:24   that i watch are not on quote unquote TV [TS]

01:15:27   like a stranger things that I just [TS]

01:15:28   watched as on netflix and not anywhere [TS]

01:15:31   else orange is the new black house of [TS]

01:15:32   cards was that a man hi castles and [TS]

01:15:37   Amazon there is lots of original content [TS]

01:15:39   coming there but there's still a lot of [TS]

01:15:40   stuff that's only on television or HBO [TS]

01:15:42   now Marco can get the HBO thing that you [TS]

01:15:44   can never remember the name of but it's [TS]

01:15:45   now the one doesn't require you to have [TS]

01:15:47   the the cable subscription right so [TS]

01:15:50   things are happening to eventually take [TS]

01:15:52   us out of the death grip of cable [TS]

01:15:54   companies but for many many years and [TS]

01:15:56   still today in many ways depending on [TS]

01:15:59   which shows you're interested in the [TS]

01:16:00   only place to get this content is on [TS]

01:16:02   television the only place to get it in [TS]

01:16:04   real time in high quality without having [TS]

01:16:07   to wait you know is on television and [TS]

01:16:10   the only civilized way to watch [TS]

01:16:11   television and my opinion is to use a [TS]

01:16:14   tivo not to use the DVR that comes from [TS]

01:16:16   the cable company which are universally [TS]

01:16:18   very bad but t-bo's been bought by this [TS]

01:16:20   company and the question was well what [TS]

01:16:22   we gonna do with them wrote mostly [TS]

01:16:23   licenses intellectual property and does [TS]

01:16:25   their on-screen guide stuff doesn't look [TS]

01:16:27   promising [TS]

01:16:28   rosie has a lot of patents tivo has a [TS]

01:16:30   lot of patents related to DVR stuff so [TS]

01:16:32   everyone's worried like oh yeah they [TS]

01:16:34   just want to go for the patents through [TS]

01:16:35   a couple of good signs when they bought [TS]

01:16:36   them by they bought them for 1.1 billion [TS]

01:16:38   dollars which is not you know it's not [TS]

01:16:40   bad that's like an Instagram and a bit [TS]

01:16:42   right for a company that everyone's like [TS]

01:16:44   Tebow are they still in business so it's [TS]

01:16:45   pretty good because they have a lot of [TS]

01:16:47   important patterns they're also taking [TS]

01:16:49   the name of tivo which I thought was a [TS]

01:16:51   good sign like we didn't buy them and [TS]

01:16:53   say the tivo name is no more now it's [TS]

01:16:55   just Roe v and we will just stop selling [TS]

01:16:57   people will stop selling Hardware to [TS]

01:17:00   customers and we will just stop [TS]

01:17:02   everything about the company and just [TS]

01:17:03   like license the patents and become like [TS]

01:17:05   a patent troll or whatever but the fact [TS]

01:17:08   that they're taking the name TV over the [TS]

01:17:10   new company is my thought was a good [TS]

01:17:12   sign at least in their initial [TS]

01:17:13   announcement then they started saying [TS]

01:17:15   well we we don't really feel like we [TS]

01:17:18   might we have to make these plastic [TS]

01:17:19   boxes with hard drives in them and give [TS]

01:17:21   them the customers that Kim seems like a [TS]

01:17:22   loser business to us so we're looking [TS]

01:17:25   into other options and people are [TS]

01:17:26   panicking like oh no like when my tivo [TS]

01:17:28   dies [TS]

01:17:29   well I not be able to buy another box it [TS]

01:17:33   does the same thing this is my big fear [TS]

01:17:34   because we're at evil household and [TS]

01:17:37   you keep buying them ever ever catch [TS]

01:17:38   wind of that happening kinda like with [TS]

01:17:39   the plasma a new panasonic was stopping [TS]

01:17:41   making plasmas gonna buy like three of [TS]

01:17:43   these things and just hope they continue [TS]

01:17:45   to work until you know they'll break [TS]

01:17:47   right there aren't dependent on a [TS]

01:17:49   service run by tivo uh yeah kind of I [TS]

01:17:54   mean I feel like that's the surmountable [TS]

01:17:56   problem we're like I don't know what [TS]

01:17:58   their their commitments are illegal [TS]

01:18:00   legally to people who bought their [TS]

01:18:02   products to keep that service up and [TS]

01:18:04   running for a certain period of time but [TS]

01:18:05   even if they stop selling the plastic [TS]

01:18:08   boxes i'm assuming they'll keep running [TS]

01:18:09   the service first because the service [TS]

01:18:11   like if you don't pay for lifetime [TS]

01:18:12   you're paying monthly fee for service [TS]

01:18:14   and it's got a hugely profitable to just [TS]

01:18:16   run the service because it's not you [TS]

01:18:18   know whatever the fee is it's pretty [TS]

01:18:19   expensive and it's not costing that much [TS]

01:18:21   per user to keep the service up and [TS]

01:18:22   running so i'm assuming they'll keep the [TS]

01:18:24   service running for a while but that is [TS]

01:18:26   very optimistic [TS]

01:18:27   well so here here's the here's the angle [TS]

01:18:29   like the statements that the most recent [TS]

01:18:31   statement i seen from this is basically [TS]

01:18:33   the the new owners of the company [TS]

01:18:35   hinting at the idea that they don't want [TS]

01:18:38   to make the boxes but they will gladly [TS]

01:18:40   let somebody else make a box and tivo [TS]

01:18:44   branded which have done before they did [TS]

01:18:45   the directv which was the tivo branded [TS]

01:18:48   for directv if you sign up for direct TV [TS]

01:18:50   you would get essentially a tivo box [TS]

01:18:51   integrated with a directv thing in a [TS]

01:18:54   single unit so that you know from your [TS]

01:18:56   cable company or your television [TS]

01:18:57   provider instead of doing the crappy [TS]

01:18:59   set-top box that they have now they [TS]

01:19:01   would let them use tivo software and [TS]

01:19:03   tivo services to give you a tivo power [TS]

01:19:06   tivo branded box that is not sold to you [TS]

01:19:09   by tivo so the kind of like armor they [TS]

01:19:11   were just license to them these [TS]

01:19:12   electrical properties software and the [TS]

01:19:13   hardware and maybe they would still run [TS]

01:19:15   the service or whatever but that would [TS]

01:19:17   give you a larger variety of potential [TS]

01:19:19   tivo boxes of all tied to the cable [TS]

01:19:21   companies which if I had to pick i'd [TS]

01:19:24   rather than continue to make their own [TS]

01:19:25   hardware and just be better at it like [TS]

01:19:27   this [TS]

01:19:27   that's choice number one second choice [TS]

01:19:30   of having a bunch of cable companies [TS]

01:19:33   make tivo branded boxes that's not [TS]

01:19:37   terrible i suppose the worst is no more [TS]

01:19:39   cable boxes at all and I have to use the [TS]

01:19:41   current you know cable company dvrs [TS]

01:19:43   that's that's my nightmare scenario so [TS]

01:19:45   keeps you up at night it does because [TS]

01:19:48   like this is literally how we watch [TS]

01:19:50   television in the house if it's not on [TS]

01:19:51   netflix or amazon video it steve-o [TS]

01:19:53   that's how our apple TV 2 apple users [TS]

01:19:56   our client boxer netflix or whatever [TS]

01:19:58   that's how we watch television in the [TS]

01:20:00   house and I'm just waiting my finger on [TS]

01:20:03   the trigger to spend like one or two [TS]

01:20:05   grand on a bunch of the highest-end [TS]

01:20:07   TiVo's before they stop making [TS]

01:20:08   amendments I guess when do that i'm [TS]

01:20:09   going to i love like your nightmare [TS]

01:20:12   scenario like it's like one of the [TS]

01:20:14   reasons why I criticize Apple we had to [TS]

01:20:17   listen to the show somewhere [TS]

01:20:18   what reasons might criticize apple is [TS]

01:20:21   that i love using the mac so much and I [TS]

01:20:24   worry like if the mac ever became [TS]

01:20:27   something that I couldn't or didn't want [TS]

01:20:29   to use any more from my work I'd have to [TS]

01:20:32   switch back to windows and the thought [TS]

01:20:34   of that [TS]

01:20:35   I mean I don't say I might even try [TS]

01:20:36   linux instead like that the thought of [TS]

01:20:37   going back to Windows it is so like [TS]

01:20:41   turns my stomach [TS]

01:20:42   that's how little i want to do that you [TS]

01:20:45   seem to be having that kind of reaction [TS]

01:20:46   with the thought of going for a tivo to [TS]

01:20:48   let the cable companies DVD partner you [TS]

01:20:51   just you can't go back like just ask [TS]

01:20:52   anybody who has a tivo like they'll have [TS]

01:20:54   complaints about it's not the greatest [TS]

01:20:55   product number but you can't go back to [TS]

01:20:56   watching regular like live television is [TS]

01:20:59   barbaric like first of all you see [TS]

01:21:01   commercials which is you can't go back [TS]

01:21:02   to that of use and never ever seen [TS]

01:21:04   commercials and second of all like just [TS]

01:21:07   losing the ability to pause live [TS]

01:21:09   television or skip around without a [TS]

01:21:11   buffer queue up for like you just can't [TS]

01:21:13   there's no replacement for that because [TS]

01:21:15   it is always just do screaming well you [TS]

01:21:17   know what it's like when game of throne [TS]

01:21:18   comes on like the commercial have to [TS]

01:21:20   skip but like I can watch it every time [TS]

01:21:22   whereas when their servers go down [TS]

01:21:24   because everyone's trying to watch the [TS]

01:21:25   episode exam time I don't have to deal [TS]

01:21:26   with that I'm I'm above the fray on that [TS]

01:21:28   like it is the tivo for all its faults [TS]

01:21:31   and all its low software passes the bar [TS]

01:21:34   of being like as reliable for the most [TS]

01:21:37   part as TV is supposed to be when we [TS]

01:21:39   were growing up you turn on the [TS]

01:21:40   television is a picture there right [TS]

01:21:42   especially if you had cable as the cable [TS]

01:21:44   is out in which case you see nothing [TS]

01:21:45   right but if the cable is not out you [TS]

01:21:48   turn on and the picture is there and you [TS]

01:21:50   change the channel you can see what's on [TS]

01:21:51   that channel and never is buffering and [TS]

01:21:54   never can't find the servers and never [TS]

01:21:56   asked your iCloud password and [TS]

01:21:58   there's anything like it's just there [TS]

01:21:59   like it is it passes that level of [TS]

01:22:00   reliability this way way more and is [TS]

01:22:03   only ever slowed slightly less reliable [TS]

01:22:05   I can't remember the last time I had a [TS]

01:22:07   time of crash or problem at all with my [TS]

01:22:10   tivo just sits there like an appliance [TS]

01:22:11   on all the time 24 hours a day never [TS]

01:22:14   have to do anything to it and it just [TS]

01:22:15   runs home and it's it's incredibly high [TS]

01:22:19   bar that i've been using them since the [TS]

01:22:21   the series 2 which is not the original [TS]

01:22:22   one but it was still back in the analog [TS]

01:22:24   days and everyday box i've had i've been [TS]

01:22:26   frustrated that it's not faster and [TS]

01:22:28   doesn't have better hardware in it and [TS]

01:22:29   can I can't get it with a faster cpu and [TS]

01:22:31   more ram and a bigger hard drive but [TS]

01:22:33   other than that the alternative is just [TS]

01:22:35   unthinkable to me so eventually like [TS]

01:22:38   when all the streaming services get [TS]

01:22:39   better and all the content of care about [TS]

01:22:41   is no longer on court realty but it's [TS]

01:22:43   all on streaming then I'll be able to [TS]

01:22:45   leave tivo behind but until then I want [TS]

01:22:48   something like that and back in the old [TS]

01:22:49   hypercritical episode about this I [TS]

01:22:52   talked about what I really wanted Apple [TS]

01:22:53   to make this back before Apple [TS]

01:22:55   definitively close the door on ever [TS]

01:22:57   doing anything tivo like when Steve Jobs [TS]

01:22:59   was like one of his a most like d3 talk [TS]

01:23:02   to something like that and basically [TS]

01:23:03   explain exactly why they're never going [TS]

01:23:05   to tivo box and made me super said what [TS]

01:23:07   I always wanted was a company that's [TS]

01:23:09   better at this than tivo to do what I [TS]

01:23:12   called an omnivorous box because of my [TS]

01:23:14   idea back then was like look video comes [TS]

01:23:16   from million different places even back [TS]

01:23:19   then there was Netflix and there's cable [TS]

01:23:20   network over the air and there's local [TS]

01:23:22   TV and all sorts of other places where [TS]

01:23:24   you can get video from an itunes and all [TS]

01:23:26   that stuff it's like I don't want to [TS]

01:23:28   deal with all those places the video [TS]

01:23:30   comes from i don't wanna deal with 10 [TS]

01:23:31   remotes I don't want to deal with 10 [TS]

01:23:32   services i don't want to deal with [TS]

01:23:34   figuring out where it is and how i get [TS]

01:23:36   it and what input i have switched or [TS]

01:23:38   anything like that but on the other hand [TS]

01:23:40   I realized that all the different people [TS]

01:23:42   who own those things are never gonna get [TS]

01:23:44   together and say we should make things [TS]

01:23:45   easier for customers because everybody [TS]

01:23:46   owns their different content and the [TS]

01:23:47   different towns has a different [TS]

01:23:48   licensing deals for the NFL Major League [TS]

01:23:51   Baseball and all the HBO shows and [TS]

01:23:53   network programming and all the [TS]

01:23:54   different channels and cable but like [TS]

01:23:55   they're never going to get together so [TS]

01:23:57   the only way to solve is technologically [TS]

01:23:59   is to do what Tebow did but even bigger [TS]

01:24:01   to make a box that will eat any kind of [TS]

01:24:04   input an omnivorous box that says I will [TS]

01:24:06   sit in front of your television and you [TS]

01:24:08   just throw all your video crap at me [TS]

01:24:11   and then a bunch of people will figure [TS]

01:24:12   out how to integrate with all those [TS]

01:24:13   services and they will make the software [TS]

01:24:15   for it and figure out how to do all the [TS]

01:24:17   integration and you're only interface [TS]

01:24:19   will be with that I'll never ask box and [TS]

01:24:21   it takes in all your input and it can [TS]

01:24:23   record it locally can stream it can do [TS]

01:24:24   everything and it doesn't matter where [TS]

01:24:27   it's coming from as far as you're [TS]

01:24:28   concerned into one unified interface and [TS]

01:24:30   that's an incredibly hard thing to do [TS]

01:24:32   google drive to do it [TS]

01:24:33   tebow has been trying to do because you [TS]

01:24:34   can do netflix on TV on amazon be open [TS]

01:24:36   to you and stuff like that but they're [TS]

01:24:37   not great at either no one has ever made [TS]

01:24:39   that because it's incredibly hard [TS]

01:24:40   problem every one of those companies [TS]

01:24:42   would be your enemy because they don't [TS]

01:24:44   want you doing that they don't want you [TS]

01:24:45   being the one and only device television [TS]

01:24:46   like the cable companies want to do with [TS]

01:24:48   a set-top box and netflix wants to do [TS]

01:24:50   that need to have your client and [TS]

01:24:51   everything like it's incredibly hard [TS]

01:24:53   thing to do no one has ever even [TS]

01:24:54   attempted to do except for maybe you [TS]

01:24:55   will not fail pretty much measurably [TS]

01:24:57   tebow has come the closest Tebow does it [TS]

01:25:00   for playing old cable television they [TS]

01:25:03   were able to do that because of the [TS]

01:25:03   cablecard thing where you can totally [TS]

01:25:05   replace your I don't have cable box and [TS]

01:25:07   all i have found that cable box in my [TS]

01:25:08   house ever [TS]

01:25:10   maybe I had when I was in Georgia before [TS]

01:25:11   a TV out but since i've had people have [TS]

01:25:14   not having cable box in my house period [TS]

01:25:15   only had Tebow's the thing you can do [TS]

01:25:17   because of cable car which was a sec [TS]

01:25:19   thing they did was not perfect but it's [TS]

01:25:21   better than nothing and the tivo it's [TS]

01:25:25   not omnivorous but it will accept all [TS]

01:25:27   like corte-real TV input and then slowly [TS]

01:25:29   but surely they added features for like [TS]

01:25:31   Netflix clients and amazon video clients [TS]

01:25:34   and the ability to play video from one [TS]

01:25:35   tivo onto another tivo and they added [TS]

01:25:37   iOS app which is actually pretty good [TS]

01:25:39   what I can do everything on my tivo from [TS]

01:25:40   my phone or my iPad anywhere in the [TS]

01:25:42   world i can delete shows i can set up [TS]

01:25:44   season passes i can watch video on it [TS]

01:25:46   from my tivo anywhere kind of slingbox [TS]

01:25:48   style I can you know what shows on tivo [TS]

01:25:51   on the TV downstairs a little extender [TS]

01:25:53   box you can do if you don't need a full [TS]

01:25:54   fledge Tebow they actually have a pretty [TS]

01:25:56   good system in a pretty good product [TS]

01:25:57   this point it just said that they could [TS]

01:25:59   never get enough customers to make it [TS]

01:26:02   work financially i really hope that [TS]

01:26:04   someone would buy them that had a lot of [TS]

01:26:06   money that could do really good job of [TS]

01:26:08   the product but Apple sort of put a [TS]

01:26:09   stake in the ground said no we're doing [TS]

01:26:11   the appletv puck thing we're never going [TS]

01:26:12   to record locally we're just going to [TS]

01:26:14   streaming that's the future [TS]

01:26:15   forget about the tivo thing and rovi [TS]

01:26:18   seems like their plan is we will take a [TS]

01:26:22   piece of every cable box sold by letting [TS]

01:26:23   your [TS]

01:26:24   the box have tivo hardware and software [TS]

01:26:25   and I didn't get to talk about the [TS]

01:26:27   remote which is another table innovation [TS]

01:26:28   of having an actual good remote with a [TS]

01:26:31   nice shape and distinct buttons that you [TS]

01:26:33   can use in the dark by feel [TS]

01:26:35   boy there's a lot of things like about [TS]

01:26:37   evil and i will be sad when they're gone [TS]

01:26:38   and right now with rovi owning them it's [TS]

01:26:42   kind of like a quiet period where [TS]

01:26:43   nothing is happening but I just really [TS]

01:26:44   really hope that I can still I'm begging [TS]

01:26:48   his company let me give you that [TS]

01:26:49   literally thousands of dollars to buy [TS]

01:26:52   the most expensive DVR with tivo [TS]

01:26:55   software that I possibly can that works [TS]

01:26:56   with my cable cards and i will keep [TS]

01:26:58   doing that for a long time [TS]

01:27:00   cool I don't understand why either one [TS]

01:27:03   of you two don't have tivo boxes you can [TS]

01:27:05   we'll save that for the next episode and [TS]

01:27:06   follow-up you to come all this way why [TS]

01:27:08   you don't have to i can tell you right [TS]

01:27:10   now the files box just fine [TS]

01:27:11   it's not that I don't have cable yeah [TS]

01:27:14   you keep that it's a really quick [TS]

01:27:16   response to it she doesn't care and I [TS]

01:27:20   can't use it so there you go [TS]

01:27:22   actually all kidding aside that is the [TS]

01:27:24   executive summary right there but here's [TS]

01:27:26   the thing that with 4k see if you got [TS]

01:27:28   one you would never be able to get rid [TS]

01:27:29   of one it's like the Tesla thing like [TS]

01:27:31   you can't you can't go back [TS]

01:27:32   no one gets tivo uses it and then it's [TS]

01:27:34   like go back to the old way it's [TS]

01:27:35   apparently a lot of people did otherwise [TS]

01:27:37   he wouldn't be out of business [TS]

01:27:39   no it's not enough people got them to [TS]

01:27:40   begin with because it was so much more [TS]

01:27:41   expensive like the cable box is like oh [TS]

01:27:43   it's part of my cable to lincoln dollars [TS]

01:27:45   a month to rent or whatever no does the [TS]

01:27:46   math to figure out that if you just [TS]

01:27:47   bought a tivo you were to come out [TS]

01:27:48   anyway [TS]

01:27:49   good idea in the show thanks for the [TS]

01:27:53   responses this week [TS]

01:27:55   Casper warby parker and 0 and we'll see [TS]

01:27:57   you next week [TS]

01:28:01   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:28:04   mean to be in as it was accidental was [TS]

01:28:09   accidental [TS]

01:28:11   John racer Margo in kc would let you [TS]

01:28:16   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

01:28:21   and you can find show know today p dot [TS]

01:28:26   and if twitter follow them [TS]

01:28:33   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:28:38   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our DC at [TS]

01:28:46   Syracuse [TS]

01:28:59   I don't the the files box is not good I [TS]

01:29:03   that as much as I'm trying to get a rise [TS]

01:29:06   out of you it's not good but it's a [TS]

01:29:07   meeting for the basic needs that I had I [TS]

01:29:09   really think like the windows comparison [TS]

01:29:11   here is apt like the like every DVR [TS]

01:29:15   that's not a tivo is mediocre at best [TS]

01:29:18   and that's really being generous [TS]

01:29:20   you know the interfaces these things are [TS]

01:29:22   all awful unlike john i actually have [TS]

01:29:25   reused and lived with a cable company [TS]

01:29:27   DVR before and yet like yeah they're [TS]

01:29:30   they're horrible really [TS]

01:29:32   however most at the whole reason TV [TS]

01:29:35   doesn't really have much business left [TS]

01:29:36   anymore is because as you said like most [TS]

01:29:39   people don't care and they will just be [TS]

01:29:41   happy to get the one their cable company [TS]

01:29:44   offers them for a few dollars extra [TS]

01:29:45   month and that's all they know that's [TS]

01:29:48   probably the only kind of Arsene know [TS]

01:29:50   something I don't care it's just that [TS]

01:29:52   they can't they don't want to pay more [TS]

01:29:53   that's what it comes down to it steve-o [TS]

01:29:54   you have to pay for the box which is [TS]

01:29:56   expensive and then you have to pay for [TS]

01:29:58   monthly service on top of that that's [TS]

01:29:59   not part of your cable bill which is the [TS]

01:30:01   key feature right exactly and then so [TS]

01:30:03   they yeah they were just never able to [TS]

01:30:04   remember an able to come up with a [TS]

01:30:06   business model the customers they got [TS]

01:30:07   for the most part of you did their [TS]

01:30:09   customers SAT there be super happy but [TS]

01:30:11   they could never figure out a way to get [TS]

01:30:12   people over the barrier and it was [TS]

01:30:13   substantial barrier because the boxes [TS]

01:30:15   have always been expensive lifetime has [TS]

01:30:17   always been super expensive and the [TS]

01:30:19   monthly bills have also i mean i think [TS]

01:30:20   they've gone down but they used to be [TS]

01:30:21   like equal to or more than netflix i was [TS]

01:30:23   like what am I getting for this like I'm [TS]

01:30:25   you know it was hard to understand what [TS]

01:30:26   youre even paying for so it's mostly [TS]

01:30:28   just a bunch of you know rich people [TS]

01:30:29   essentially will have these boxes and [TS]

01:30:31   who enjoy them which is a shame and the [TS]

01:30:33   windows comparison i would do it like [TS]

01:30:34   this i think Tebow is the windows where [TS]

01:30:36   it's like that's good enough it's like [TS]

01:30:38   maybe the windows 95 there is no Apple [TS]

01:30:40   that's actually good in all respects [TS]

01:30:42   like there is no iOS and then the cable [TS]

01:30:44   boxes or i guess like das maybe or like [TS]

01:30:46   punch cards [TS]

01:30:47   thank you know and some cable box is [TS]

01:30:50   better that like I've seen I seen a lot [TS]

01:30:51   of these cable box that use them some of [TS]

01:30:53   them have interesting technological [TS]

01:30:54   solutions someone actually i think some [TS]

01:30:57   companies do server-side DVR and [TS]

01:30:59   industry to over there what's [TS]

01:31:00   interesting solution to keep hard drives [TS]

01:31:02   out of people's houses but the UI's are [TS]

01:31:04   all terrible the capacities are like [TS]

01:31:07   maybe they're ok for regular people by [TS]

01:31:09   feel like part of the thing about t-bo's [TS]

01:31:10   and part of the reason i think [TS]

01:31:12   I think most ppl customers by the fancy [TS]

01:31:14   ones is the people who buy our like [TS]

01:31:17   enthusiasts ensure they will know what [TS]

01:31:19   is the biggest hard drive you can get [TS]

01:31:20   the biggest heart ever had in my house [TS]

01:31:22   was like when they cannot go 3 terabyte [TS]

01:31:23   hard drive this that was the biggest [TS]

01:31:26   hard drive my house was the one in my [TS]

01:31:27   tivo why do I need to like capacity [TS]

01:31:29   because you realize when you have a lot [TS]

01:31:31   of room you can do things you can treat [TS]

01:31:34   it differently you kind of like oh I'm [TS]

01:31:35   just going to do a season pass and then [TS]

01:31:37   I'll watch them you can record an entire [TS]

01:31:39   season of a show and just have it [TS]

01:31:41   sitting there for like the period of [TS]

01:31:42   time with no new shows are coming out [TS]

01:31:44   and then just you know and again this is [TS]

01:31:46   barbaric people like oh well i dunno [TS]

01:31:47   netflix has always a house of cards i [TS]

01:31:49   can watch it whenever I want [TS]

01:31:50   why don't you have recorded but these [TS]

01:31:52   are shows that are not available through [TS]

01:31:53   streaming or all are only available [TS]

01:31:55   through purchase on itunes our date [TS]

01:31:57   delayed or whatever like you know again [TS]

01:31:59   it's getting better [TS]

01:32:00   back in the day there was this was [TS]

01:32:02   literally the only place to get a lot of [TS]

01:32:03   stuff these days it's almost never the [TS]

01:32:05   only place but it is still often the [TS]

01:32:06   best place I mean that something like i [TS]

01:32:09   mean the the reason why Apple never [TS]

01:32:10   aren't this business is very obvious [TS]

01:32:12   that it the the DVR as a thing is just [TS]

01:32:16   an incredible pile of messy hacks [TS]

01:32:18   everything about it is a messy hack [TS]

01:32:21   that's a beautiful hack there is no way [TS]

01:32:24   to make it good [TS]

01:32:25   there is no way to make it reliable and [TS]

01:32:27   and perfect there's no way to get what [TS]

01:32:29   like what it tries to do is turn [TS]

01:32:32   broadcast TV here and whether it's [TS]

01:32:35   broadcast over the air cable I'm not [TS]

01:32:36   distinguishing here effectively into [TS]

01:32:38   on-demand video but with a ton of [TS]

01:32:40   asterisks on that and and where you know [TS]

01:32:43   it's well turns into on-demand video [TS]

01:32:44   sort of and most of the time but it does [TS]

01:32:48   a phenomenal job with the only place [TS]

01:32:50   where it falls down as i said in the [TS]

01:32:51   fall down neveress thing where it only [TS]

01:32:53   consumes broadcast television broadcast [TS]

01:32:55   television is a really really good job [TS]

01:32:57   they're really good at that but it [TS]

01:32:58   doesn't take input from any other source [TS]

01:33:00   and treated the same way it's like if [TS]

01:33:03   you want to watch netflix or you can [TS]

01:33:04   load the netflix client and the netflix [TS]

01:33:06   client evo is not good and neither is [TS]

01:33:08   the m11 like they're just this is not [TS]

01:33:09   their strength right so there is no [TS]

01:33:11   omnivorous box for broadcast TV tivo got [TS]

01:33:14   pretty darn good at and the number of [TS]

01:33:15   caveat is really small and if the [TS]

01:33:17   alternative is just watch it when it's [TS]

01:33:20   on to use the cable company DVR it's [TS]

01:33:22   it's night and day [TS]

01:33:23   ultimately this is it's a really [TS]

01:33:26   the complex Jackie solution to a problem [TS]

01:33:29   that shouldn't really exist and the [TS]

01:33:32   world is moving away from needing to [TS]

01:33:34   exist [TS]

01:33:34   yep investing in tivo now would be like [TS]

01:33:37   investing in cassette tapes in 2002 [TS]

01:33:39   having yeah there might still be some [TS]

01:33:41   uses for them but it there diminishing [TS]

01:33:43   and it's not as bad as acceptance but [TS]

01:33:45   here's the thing about that like apples [TS]

01:33:47   Apple decision not to do it like they [TS]

01:33:48   did their own TV thing which is more [TS]

01:33:50   forward-looking that makes sense right [TS]

01:33:51   but this was happy when it was done with [TS]

01:33:55   analog standard-def video and if you had [TS]

01:33:59   said okay well I'm not going to be [TS]

01:34:01   interested in that because it's not the [TS]

01:34:02   future that was what 10 years ago 15 [TS]

01:34:06   years ago like it's not as if like just [TS]

01:34:08   around the corner we won't have regular [TS]

01:34:10   television anymore [TS]

01:34:10   there was a long period of time and [TS]

01:34:12   during like basically my entire [TS]

01:34:13   children's life at least decade [TS]

01:34:15   oh maybe a decade-and-a-half that's it [TS]

01:34:18   15 years worth of value that they've [TS]

01:34:22   delivered making my television watching [TS]

01:34:24   better during that time you could be [TS]

01:34:25   saying whole time while this isn't the [TS]

01:34:27   future this is my futuristic yeah but [TS]

01:34:28   it's a 15 years from like I'm not gonna [TS]

01:34:30   just throw in 15 years not talk about [TS]

01:34:32   geological timescales I live through [TS]

01:34:33   this 15 years acting important years [TS]

01:34:35   during those 15 years I had a better [TS]

01:34:38   experience of watching television so [TS]

01:34:40   maybe if you're investing on a 20-year [TS]

01:34:42   timescale maybe don't invest in t-ville [TS]

01:34:44   but I'm glad some company decided it's [TS]

01:34:47   worth doing this for 50 I mean look at [TS]

01:34:51   how long you know classic mac OS last [TS]

01:34:53   July we shouldn't have done that because [TS]

01:34:54   the future is not this the future is iOS [TS]

01:34:56   well I was not going to be here in 2007 [TS]

01:34:59   so want to do something between 1984 and [TS]

01:35:00   then and and maybe we'll get value out [TS]

01:35:03   of that like it because Apple only turns [TS]

01:35:06   I television really late to office it [TS]

01:35:08   wasn't the time for them to do that well [TS]

01:35:11   I feel still think they would have [TS]

01:35:12   benefited from for example buying them [TS]

01:35:14   up and buying all their patents and [TS]

01:35:17   assets and having them perhaps designed [TS]

01:35:19   the remote for the apple TV like they're [TS]

01:35:20   still value that they could extract from [TS]

01:35:22   the company but whatever they wanted to [TS]

01:35:23   go their own way but I'm glad to have it [TS]

01:35:25   was around for her what it was and I [TS]

01:35:26   still think now there's a place for its [TS]

01:35:28   fading there they should be they should [TS]

01:35:30   be shown the door eventually but for [TS]

01:35:32   that to happen [TS]

01:35:33   everybody else needs to get on the same [TS]

01:35:34   page and right now like I would much [TS]

01:35:36   rather watch Game of Thrones cute up [TS]

01:35:38   you know 10 or 15 minutes they couldn't [TS]

01:35:40   get into the room and time on my tivo [TS]

01:35:42   because i know a hundred percent [TS]

01:35:44   reliable i'll be able to watch it and I [TS]

01:35:46   can watch the tears of people as the [TS]

01:35:47   week on twitter trying to load their HBO [TS]

01:35:50   now happen they can't get the video to [TS]

01:35:52   load because lots of people trying to [TS]

01:35:54   stream it next week tune in for the best [TS]

01:35:58   cordless phone to buy for your home [TS]

01:35:59   already did that [TS]

01:36:01   I think about the wire cutter pic and [TS]

01:36:02   I'm not happy with it but whenever I [TS]

01:36:06   seriously we did like it but i love that [TS]

01:36:08   you wanted to cordless phones like now [TS]

01:36:10   no new cordless phones plural oh that [TS]

01:36:13   makes it so much but we have to have we [TS]

01:36:15   have to have their minds because [TS]

01:36:16   ourselves like most terrible at her [TS]

01:36:17   house so we can't reliably just use our [TS]

01:36:19   cell phones you know obviously both have [TS]

01:36:21   cell phones there are no other solution [TS]

01:36:22   to this problem so we have a landline [TS]

01:36:24   but we don't like we have like you know [TS]

01:36:27   telephone wire running all over the [TS]

01:36:28   house so we didn't really need new [TS]

01:36:30   phones i think our find one of them just [TS]

01:36:32   had a dead battery but she was annoyed [TS]

01:36:33   and once we go on no one's everywhere [TS]

01:36:35   they're not getting much better [TS]

01:36:37   that's another thing of like our phone [TS]

01:36:38   cordless phones getting much better not [TS]

01:36:40   really not really great put the cheap [TS]

01:36:43   and we got like 5 handsets and you know [TS]

01:36:46   they're all over the house and they work [TS]

01:36:47   fine and like you know talking about [TS]

01:36:49   that much anyway but anyway I had [TS]

01:36:51   entered the wire cutter pick and it was [TS]

01:36:52   it was alright i love John that you are [TS]

01:36:56   that the same man can say oh I must have [TS]

01:37:00   the best possible version of this [TS]

01:37:02   antiquated technology and my antiquated [TS]

01:37:05   edge its oh god I just follows all the [TS]

01:37:08   menus are in HD now who are you gonna be [TS]

01:37:12   the one that's buying the accord when [TS]

01:37:13   everyone else on the planet has a Tesla [TS]

01:37:15   or other electric vehicle not buying the [TS]

01:37:17   quarter of its only CVT I'll tell you [TS]

01:37:19   that my limits no its you know will say [TS]

01:37:25   maybe we know when I'll stop with the [TS]

01:37:26   cord but yeah I said I don't have a [TS]

01:37:29   choice for what am I gonna do it all you [TS]

01:37:30   shouldn't I call this one you can do [TS]

01:37:32   everything yourself on wall if I want to [TS]

01:37:33   hear people's voices I can't and I can't [TS]

01:37:35   install new cell power so you can [TS]

01:37:37   actually install really little ones in [TS]

01:37:40   your house so the little repeated now [TS]

01:37:41   i'm there's no way in hell I'm doing [TS]

01:37:43   voice that's something i have the my [TS]

01:37:44   demand is that phone be as reliable as [TS]

01:37:46   phone and one of those little repeater [TS]

01:37:48   things that use the internet connection [TS]

01:37:49   does not pass that bar for me you can [TS]

01:37:52   also switch to a carrier that actually [TS]

01:37:53   works in your house like AT&T know [TS]

01:37:55   everyone just bit my carrier has the [TS]

01:37:57   best signal at my house i'm in a there's [TS]

01:37:59   a cell phone dead zone nearby me where [TS]

01:38:01   certain section of rich people refuse to [TS]

01:38:02   have cell towers build another house and [TS]

01:38:05   the reward is they get no cell signal [TS]

01:38:06   i'm not in the i'm not in the actual [TS]

01:38:09   dead zone but I'm close enough to it the [TS]

01:38:11   dish [TS]

01:38:12   the great thing about is on my thing I [TS]

01:38:14   can hear them but I can't hear a word I [TS]

01:38:16   say they think you're just a really good [TS]

01:38:17   listener [TS]

01:38:18   now I calls me all the time my cell [TS]

01:38:20   phone on at home and I'd say hello you [TS]

01:38:22   talk to you there are you there family [TS]

01:38:23   know about talking you can your word I'm [TS]

01:38:26   saying I can hear everything you're [TS]

01:38:27   saying perfectly clearly it's great [TS]