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0:00:06From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 162. Today's show is brought to you by Balance,
0:00:12Squarespace, and Flight Logger. My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.
0:00:18Hello, Steven Hackett.
0:00:18Hello, Mr. David James Michael Gregory Pierce Hurley.
0:00:25Yeah, you ruined that one.
0:00:27Hello to Mr. Federico Fittucci as well. How are you Federico?
0:00:30Hello Albus Percival Horley, how are you?
0:00:33Oh my gosh, what is happening now?
0:00:35How are you doing buddy?
0:00:40I'm doing very very well, thank you very much.
0:00:42I'm pretty sure I got your names right. I wrote them down.
0:00:45Yeah, you probably did.
0:00:48Do you want to do some follow up? I can't take this.
0:00:51I would like to do some follow up.
0:00:53We've been talking about the iPhone X and reachability.
0:00:57It seemed that reachability was gone,
0:01:00but our friend, Mr. Rambo on Twitter,
0:01:05says that it may still be there.
0:01:09There's a, he has an animation that he tweeted,
0:01:11I guess from the simulator that looks like reachability,
0:01:15like that comes down from the top,
0:01:17but we don't know how you would enable it
0:01:21'cause there was no home button.
0:01:22The side button now does 15 things.
0:01:24Maybe it's a volume button, we don't really know.
0:01:27It seems like it's maybe still there.
0:01:28This could be a remnant from this being in the firmware
0:01:32for four other phones and it won't be on the 10,
0:01:34but anyways, I would say that this is not a closed book yet.
0:01:38I would say that we don't know for sure
0:01:40that reachability has gone on the new phone.
0:01:44This is a conjunction, I don't know who put this
0:01:46in the notes, but someone, it was Mosex,
0:01:49as this document said, "You can no longer bring
0:01:51notification center down via reachability which I've noticed as well
0:01:55which is I don't use reachability much but that's one of the things I use it
0:01:59for and that's been a little frustrating. So clearly something is changing here.
0:02:06Have y'all's feelings changed on this over time? Do you feel like we'll be okay
0:02:09without it? I mean I'll be okay without it right because I'm okay now.
0:02:14The thing that I use it for on the plus I can't use it for so I just
0:02:19don't use it. You know, like the only thing I've used reachability for was just a quick way to get to the
0:02:23Notifications without like moving my hand or whatever. Like I feel like it's gonna be fine if the iPhone 10 doesn't have
0:02:29reachability mode, but I think it would be nice if they could find a way to elegantly put it in but I don't know
0:02:37I don't know what that is
0:02:39Yeah, I very rarely use
0:02:41reachability on the iPhone plus
0:02:44I don't think I will need reachability on the 10.
0:02:48And by the way, quick aside,
0:02:50I've been talking to a lot of friends about the new iPhone
0:02:53and literally everybody is saying iPhone X.
0:02:56Like I've yet to meet a single person who says iPhone 10.
0:03:01And when someone asked me,
0:03:03"Why do you call it the iPhone 10?"
0:03:05And I explained the reason, they just laughed at my face.
0:03:08- They're like, "What's wrong with you, Federico?
0:03:10Why do you call it the iPhone 10?"
0:03:11(laughing)
0:03:13They were like, "What do you call the iPhone X?"
0:03:14I was like, "Yeah, because Apple's marketing approach
0:03:17is that it's tomorrow's iPhone today."
0:03:19They're like, "Yeah, sure."
0:03:21They just laughed at me.
0:03:23And so good luck, Apple convincing people
0:03:25that it's the iPhone X.
0:03:27- Some real-time follow-up from the chat room.
0:03:31Apparently, now I'm not running this beta,
0:03:33but the 11.1 beta returns reachability
0:03:36and notifications there, like it reconnects them.
0:03:39So maybe this was just a short-term bug.
0:03:42I mean it's in the chat room. I have no reason to doubt it.
0:03:44Can we trust them? Can we trust the chat room?
0:03:46Yeah. Yeah.
0:03:48I think so.
0:03:50Steven, you took a visit to an Apple Store, right?
0:03:52Yeah, I've been there twice in two weeks now.
0:03:55Yeah.
0:03:57So, middle of the week last week, my iPhone 7 Plus took an unfortunate tumble onto the concrete floor of my studio.
0:04:05It missed the rug that's right next to my desk. It hit the concrete.
0:04:09It hit a bigger rug.
0:04:11You know, if there was only a way to make the whole floor
0:04:14rug, what would you call that?
0:04:15It's gotta be something that would do that.
0:04:18Anyways, it fell and shattered from the bottom right corner
0:04:22basically across and up the screen.
0:04:24It's a pretty good break.
0:04:25So I made an appointment to the store.
0:04:28It was like several days out, but on Friday,
0:04:31I had a little time and I was already in the area
0:04:33and I was like, well, you know, I'll just drop by the store
0:04:35and see how long it would take.
0:04:37And they could see me in about 10 minutes.
0:04:39They had my phone about an hour and a half
0:04:41and they replaced the screen,
0:04:43so I got the same phone back.
0:04:44I've never done this.
0:04:46It's been a long time since I've broken an iPhone.
0:04:48Last time I did, they still replaced the whole thing.
0:04:51So I had to disable Touch ID and find my iPhone.
0:04:55It goes in the back.
0:04:57They have a special machine that puts the screen on.
0:04:59It lines it all up.
0:05:00A machine, by the way, that I broke the story on years ago,
0:05:03not that anyone cares,
0:05:04but I was reminded of that in this experience.
0:05:08and got my phone back.
0:05:09So it was interesting being without a phone
0:05:12for an hour and a half.
0:05:13I didn't hang out in the store.
0:05:14I went to, there's a Whole Foods around the corner,
0:05:15so I thought I was gonna go get something to drink
0:05:18and hang out in their cafe area and get some work done,
0:05:21but I had my Apple Watch.
0:05:22So I turned on LTE on my watch,
0:05:25so if someone needed a hold of me, they could get me.
0:05:27And I got back in my car,
0:05:29and I realized that I didn't have any music.
0:05:31Believe it or not, even though I own 37 iPods,
0:05:34none of them were with me at the time.
0:05:36And I was like, oh well, I have a watch
0:05:38that has music on it.
0:05:39And I thought, I'll just pair my watch to my car
0:05:43and I can just listen to music, right?
0:05:45Like it'll work, it doesn't work.
0:05:47It didn't work.
0:05:48- Can you pair it to Bluetooth stuff other than like AirPods?
0:05:52- Not really, so you can do it to headphones and stuff.
0:05:57But the car, so on tomorrow's episode of query,
0:06:00Serenity and I talk about this.
0:06:02And it's because when you pair it to a car,
0:06:05The car also can pull contact information
0:06:08and recent phone calls and stuff.
0:06:10And so the watchOS doesn't allow that connection to happen.
0:06:14They saw each other and they attempted to pair,
0:06:17but then the car basically said, you know,
0:06:19a device unable to connect,
0:06:22kind of a generic error message.
0:06:24So that's why.
0:06:24So Serenity explains some of that on Query Tomorrow.
0:06:27Probably not, honestly probably not super surprised,
0:06:30but it was a little disappointing that it didn't work.
0:06:33But I survived the 10 minute drive to Whole Foods
0:06:36and back, guys, I had to listen to the radio.
0:06:38It's like us, people are talking and there's music and stuff
0:06:43but it's way worse than podcasting, it's terrible.
0:06:46When my phone's back, I was out 187 bucks or something
0:06:50after tax and it's here and it looks brand new.
0:06:53I mean, they did a great job and the 7 Plus rides again
0:06:58for the next two to 27 months when I can get my hands
0:07:01on the iPhone X.
0:07:02$187 seems like a lot of money.
0:07:05- Yeah, it was, I think the repair is 170 or 175
0:07:09and then sales tax on top of that.
0:07:11That was only about 10 or $15 more
0:07:14than the sort of third party repair centers.
0:07:16We have a couple of those in town,
0:07:18like iFix or like whatever, you know,
0:07:20you take your phone in and they'll do a similar repair.
0:07:22My phone was out of warranty, so I, you know,
0:07:25I did consider that, but because Apple's repair
0:07:29was only like a little bit more,
0:07:31I opted for, to kind of get it done officially.
0:07:36So, but it's seamless, you would never know.
0:07:38Like if I handed you my phone,
0:07:40you would never know that the front of it had been shattered.
0:07:42They did a really good job.
0:07:43- But the reason I mention that is like,
0:07:45I know in many times you've made reference
0:07:49to AppleCare being your case, right?
0:07:51Isn't that a thing?
0:07:51- That is a phrase that I've used.
0:07:53- I remember that you have laughed at me and Federico
0:07:56for using a case.
0:07:57Oh, you use a case.
0:07:59Like, oh, it's fine because AppleCare is my case.
0:08:02So that seems like a really expensive
0:08:03AppleCare payment there, Steven.
0:08:05- Yeah, so here's the situation with that.
0:08:09I bought my now internationally famous
0:08:14original iPhone 7 Plus, pre-ordered it, it showed up.
0:08:18- Oh, the hissin one.
0:08:18- The hissin one.
0:08:19- The snake phone.
0:08:21- Right.
0:08:21So when I signed up, when I booked my Genius Bar appointment
0:08:26I did it in the Apple Support app on iOS,
0:08:28which by the way is like really awesome,
0:08:29it's way better than using their website.
0:08:31And it tells you your warranty status.
0:08:33And I said, "No AppleCare Plus."
0:08:34And I thought, huh, that's weird.
0:08:36So I assumed, I bought AppleCare Plus on the Hising phone,
0:08:39that phone got replaced by Apple,
0:08:42and maybe the AppleCare Plus didn't get attached
0:08:45to the new phone, but I'm sure I have emails
0:08:47of all that stuff and I can get them to fix it.
0:08:49So I went back to my email archive,
0:08:51and I was like, well, let me find the receipt
0:08:54from that original phone, the Hising phone.
0:08:56I found that receipt. No Apple Care. I don't know. I don't know what happened in the middle
0:09:01of the night. I didn't order it. I usually do. I most definitely will on the 10 because
0:09:07if the back of that phone breaks, it is going to be super expensive because the way that
0:09:11phone is constructed is the same as the six, seven and eight where they've already said
0:09:16they're going to be more expensive, right? Like they've just said it's more expensive.
0:09:19Mm hmm. And there's a put a link in the show notes for Apple has pricing of this on their
0:09:26website. So it's it's a KBSR called iPhone screen repair prices. And so you can look
0:09:32at this, the 10 will be more. So I would urge everyone who's looking at the 10 who's like,
0:09:38usually does AppleCare definitely do AppleCare plus on the 10 because it's gonna be really
0:09:42expensive. So anyway, so my seven plus is here has a 90 day warranty on the screen.
0:09:47So if it, you know, gets weird in the next three months, they'll take care of it.
0:09:51I do have it now and back in my Apple leather case now that I know I don't have AppleCare
0:09:57Plus on it and I've already sold this phone like a family friend is going to buy it for
0:10:02me when the 10 shows up.
0:10:03So I'd rather not smash it up anymore.
0:10:05So it is now in a case and it will remain in the case until until it is is no longer
0:10:11mine.
0:10:12But yeah, it's, you know, AppleCare visit or Apple store visits come in threes.
0:10:16So I'm sure I'll be back this Friday for something and then I'll be done for another six months.
0:10:20Your iMac explodes.
0:10:22Don't say that it can hear you.
0:10:24Well, you know, animals get in them now.
0:10:26Jason has a spider in his iMac so you might have something similar.
0:10:32The Belkin Rockstar now has a 3.5mm headphone jack.
0:10:37So I remember Federico you bought this adapter.
0:10:39This adapter came out with the iPhone 7 right?
0:10:42It was a Belkin adapter that had two lightning ports to allow you to charge and listen to
0:10:49music with your lightning earphones at the same time.
0:10:54They have now released a new version of this which has one lightning port and a 3.5mm headphone
0:10:58jack instead of the second lightning port.
0:11:01Yeah, they made this for The Verge, specifically, because they really miss the headphone jack.
0:11:08I had the original version with two lightning ports. It's fine. I bring it with me when I travel.
0:11:16It's quite comfortable to use on the plane, you know, when I can plug in a battery and also listen to my headphones.
0:11:22Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to see this. It's a good option. It's just, you know, I'm not gonna get this one
0:11:29because I don't use headphone jack based headphones anymore, but I can say that the original version is a
0:11:37fine dongle. It is funny though, because this should have been the one that came out first,
0:11:43right? Yes, I think the timing is a little strange here. Like this should have been the first one,
0:11:49because this is what everybody wanted then. I do wonder if Apple played any kind of role in this,
0:11:57like they wanted to push the idea of lightning headphones, so they convinced Belkin to do the
0:12:03Lightning version first, otherwise I just have no clue, really.
0:12:07Why did it take them a year? It's like, "Oh, I know what we can do! We can put a headphone jack on this!"
0:12:16I mean, it's not like nobody ever attempted the combination of a headphone jack and a
0:12:23Lightning port before, so...
0:12:26Oh man.
0:12:27You know?
0:12:28It is a bit out there, I give you that, it is a little bit out there.
0:12:31It's a wild idea, really.
0:12:33Yes.
0:12:35So did you all buy them?
0:12:37No, but this feels like something I would buy in an airport.
0:12:41Right? Like, I would be in an airport and I would buy this. Like, it feels like something
0:12:45that would be useful in that situation.
0:12:48It feels like something I would buy to have in my bag of, like, tech stuff.
0:12:54Yeah, dongle bag.
0:12:55Like, if... Yeah. Well, not my daily dongle carry.
0:12:58No, no.
0:12:59my emergency dongles dongle reserve yeah dongle reserves really good yeah yeah
0:13:05I should probably buy for my upcoming trip like a dongle pouch or something
0:13:11like yeah oh I have I have some ideas I'm gonna send you what you need like a
0:13:15separate thing for my for you know I have the bulking rockstar and the of
0:13:21course the Apple one or the headphone jack then what do we have some USB C
0:13:26stuff. I have one for the SD cards for the iPad and one for the USB
0:13:33connections to the iPad. I have the Ethernet adapter with the Lightning
0:13:38connector. It's like five or six of them. So yeah, I do need to
0:13:43figure out the dongle situation. I cannot tell you the uncomfortable feeling that
0:13:48I have right now because I can't think of a word for bag that begins with D. I
0:13:52I want it so bad, right? So it can be like the dongle de something.
0:13:58You want to do the alliteration.
0:13:59Yeah, that's what it's all about these types of name things, right? Like I just want the alliteration. That's all I want.
0:14:05The dongle duffle bag.
0:14:07Dongle duffle. The dongle duffle works. That works. You did it. I'm so happy to know you right now, Steven. Like you have no idea.
0:14:16You truly are a wordsmith, Steven.
0:14:19I'm glad I finally found a way to please the two of you.
0:14:22- Dungle duffle, oh so good.
0:14:24So good. - Dungle duffle.
0:14:25- Dungle duffle, we should trademark that and sell one.
0:14:29There you go.
0:14:29- Why don't you, why don't we do an Indiegogo.
0:14:31- I have it in my mind.
0:14:34You know a regular sized duffle,
0:14:35I use one for my gym bag, but it's just tiny.
0:14:38So it has the tiny little loops,
0:14:40but you can just kind of put like one finger through them.
0:14:43And then where the shoulder strap would be
0:14:45is only like four inches long.
0:14:47I think it's perfect.
0:14:48The side pockets would be too small to put anything in.
0:14:50like can't do anything in it.
0:14:52One thing that I'm struggling with is how do you spell duffel?
0:14:56Is it L E or E L?
0:14:57Uh, let's look at the dictionary app.
0:15:00D U F F E L.
0:15:02I think in England Myke it's F F L E.
0:15:07Well, cause it's frustrating because you've got, uh, I'm ignoring you G L E
0:15:11and then F E L right?
0:15:13Like that's, there is a frustration in there.
0:15:15You know,
0:15:15I think it's kind of nice.
0:15:16It's got a little rhythm to it.
0:15:17Don't worry about it guys.
0:15:19I'm buying dongleduffled.com.
0:15:20I've got us taken care of.
0:15:22Good.
0:15:24Good.
0:15:24If only we knew someone who made tiny things.
0:15:27Oh, we do.
0:15:29Call Brad.
0:15:29Can we add Brad to this call?
0:15:31He's like, Brad, we've got a great idea for you.
0:15:33It's called the dongleduffle, and he just hangs up immediately.
0:15:37We promise your company won't go out of business if you do this.
0:15:41This is a great idea.
0:15:43All right, I own it now.
0:15:44dongleduffled.com, everybody.
0:15:46Oh, gosh.
0:15:47That's really good.
0:15:48Okay, so we should move on.
0:15:52Google Drive got files--
0:15:54- Oh, in England it is D-U-F-F-L-E.
0:15:57- I told you, I was not joking.
0:15:59- I thought you were trolling me.
0:16:01- I was, but then I realized I was also right.
0:16:03And so that sort of, that canceled the troll
0:16:07because I was right.
0:16:08- You gotta buy both.
0:16:09- I've gotta buy both now.
0:16:10- It's like analog, there's no right way to spell it.
0:16:13- All right, you gotta carry on with the follow up
0:16:16'cause I'm buying domains.
0:16:18- Okay, we will carry on with the follow-up.
0:16:20- I'm spending so much money on these things now.
0:16:22- Federico, tell me about Google Drive file support.
0:16:26- So you can now use the Google Drive as a file provider
0:16:29in the Files app, which is nice.
0:16:32It's kind of like Dropbox and others we've seen so far.
0:16:35The problem is that it's super buggy right now.
0:16:38I would say it's still less stable
0:16:40of all the file providers I've seen so far.
0:16:42And I've told you guys before that these extensions
0:16:45are not extremely reliable right now,
0:16:49but the Google Drive one is the most problematic one.
0:16:52I've seen issues with people trying to just tap
0:16:56on a thumbnail and the file provider extension
0:16:58just crashing and displaying a content unavailable message.
0:17:02- Oh no.
0:17:03- And this sort of adds,
0:17:05I mean, at least Google fixed the problem
0:17:08with the Google Drive app,
0:17:09just opening any kind of file
0:17:11that you tapped on in the files app,
0:17:13but now they gotta fix the file provider
0:17:15because it seems to be very prone to crashing
0:17:18and just erring out because of memory constraints, I think.
0:17:21So yeah, I mean, it's good news
0:17:25that Google is being relatively speedy
0:17:28when it comes to Google Drive at least
0:17:30in adopting iOS 11 features,
0:17:32but here's to hoping they will improve the,
0:17:36especially the memory management of the extension
0:17:38in the short term.
0:17:39- Gotcha.
0:17:42I have a little more real-time follow up.
0:17:43The Belkin Audio Plus Charge Rockstar is sold out on Amazon.
0:17:48- Wow, people want it.
0:17:49People need that sweet sweet Rockstar.
0:17:52I will agree-- - I could get it
0:17:53from my Apple store though.
0:17:54- That the Google implementation,
0:17:58the Google Drive implementation, it's not that good.
0:18:01Right, like there's,
0:18:02there's clearly something wrong with this one
0:18:05in a way that isn't with the Dropbox one.
0:18:07And the Dropbox one isn't perfect.
0:18:09Like I've had some slowness or some weirdness,
0:18:13but Dropbox have clearly implemented it better than Google.
0:18:16I mean, also as well, like, I mean, you know,
0:18:18the Google Drive one, it kind of, I mean,
0:18:21for most people that use Google Drive,
0:18:23like, it doesn't really work the way you would want it to.
0:18:26Right, like, all it is is just links to open Google Docs.
0:18:29Right, that's kind of all it is.
0:18:31And my, it's just all a big mess there for me,
0:18:35just a bunch of Google Docs that like,
0:18:37I haven't put into a folder,
0:18:38but now they just all live there
0:18:40and they're all intermingled of everything else.
0:18:42Yeah, I much prefer the Dropbox one, I think.
0:18:45- To round out follow-up,
0:18:47I'm gonna ask you guys a very serious question.
0:18:50Does Google Docs have drag and drop support?
0:18:52- No.
0:18:53- Nope.
0:18:54And you know what, it never will.
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0:19:57their support of this show and Relay FM. So I saw an article by a friend of the show Alan Pike
0:20:05of Steam Clock Software, which is titled,
0:20:09which I initially thought that he was just writing
0:20:12a review of Do Not Disturb While Driving.
0:20:14But the article is called Do Not Disturb While Living,
0:20:18which is a, I like it, although I also in my head
0:20:21read it as living, but anyway, this is my problem,
0:20:24not yours. (laughing)
0:20:26Do Not Disturb While Living.
0:20:28So Alan's post is basically suggesting some improvements
0:20:32and some enhancements that could come
0:20:33to the Do Not Disturb system,
0:20:35currently exists in iOS and he comes at this from a place which I completely
0:20:39agree with that like notifications these days are constant and they can be
0:20:44anything right like you can find out about a friend of yours is just at a
0:20:48baby all the way down to atrocious things that are happening around the
0:20:52world and of course just take a quick sidebar there are a lot of terrible
0:20:56things happening right now and we think about them all the time and they're
0:20:58horrible and I wish that stuff would change but anyway so you can find out
0:21:02stuff like this, like from news alerts, or you can find out what the weather's like,
0:21:07or you can get an email telling you that you just received a pay – it can be anything,
0:21:10right? Notifications can be anything and they all come to you and it doesn't matter when
0:21:13you want them or when you don't. So more controls over this and what you see would
0:21:18be great. And so like this is an interesting time to think about Do Not Disturb because
0:21:24Apple seems less intent on making Notification Center better, it's only regressing Notification
0:21:29center over time, but they are improving Do Not Disturb with Do Not Disturb while driving.
0:21:34So maybe this could be an improvement to notification handling in improving Do Not Disturb.
0:21:40So I wanted to start off by asking you two what you're doing about Do Not Disturb.
0:21:46Like Stephen, do you have a programmatic Do Not Disturb?
0:21:50When is it set for you?
0:21:51Do you have it on Never all the time?
0:21:53What do you do?
0:21:54So I use it in the car and I actually just looked at my schedule.
0:21:58I have it enabled at 10 30 p.m. and it comes off at 6 45 a.m. which is about you
0:22:05know probably half an hour after my alarm is set in the morning I have it I
0:22:09have phone calls from favorites allowed to pass through I keep my favorites is
0:22:14very short I mean it's my immediate family Myke it's you on FaceTime and
0:22:19that's you know maybe one or two other friends it's a very short list and of
0:22:24that list of favorites, none of those people would call me late at night unless it was
0:22:31something truly serious.
0:22:33These are people that I text with.
0:22:35So I feel comfortable that if someone needed to call me, then it would get through at night.
0:22:41I also have the repeated calls turned on.
0:22:44If someone, now my favorite is just calls you and then they call you back within three
0:22:48minutes, the call will come through.
0:22:50I've never had an experience where that's been an issue,
0:22:55where like a robocall or something,
0:22:56so I leave that on as well.
0:22:57So yeah, it comes on at night automatically.
0:22:59I used to not do this,
0:23:01but then the three of us became friends,
0:23:03and I will often wake up to many, many iMessages
0:23:07that the two of you have passed while I've been asleep,
0:23:10and that used to drive me crazy,
0:23:11and so I really use this because the two of you.
0:23:15- Anytime.
0:23:16- And so yeah, it's about it.
0:23:18I will manually do it occasionally.
0:23:19Like when we're recording, I put it in Do Not Disturb manually.
0:23:24But that's how I use it.
0:23:26What about you, Federico?
0:23:28I actually don't.
0:23:30Most of the time, I enable Do Not Disturb manually
0:23:34when I know that I absolutely need it.
0:23:37But when we record, for example, I
0:23:41need to be able to see if my girlfriend is texting me.
0:23:44Because either she's coming back home or something's up
0:23:47with the puppies.
0:23:47and I need to be able to see the notification
0:23:51on the lock screen.
0:23:52And when I turn it on manually,
0:23:55when I'm working, when I'm writing,
0:23:57when I need to be focused,
0:23:58like when I'm working on the iOS 11 review,
0:24:01when I was working on the iOS 11 review this summer,
0:24:03I kept it on all the time basically
0:24:05because I needed to be super focused.
0:24:07But during the year for the typical workday,
0:24:12I don't keep the Not Disturb and Able
0:24:13unless I'm working on a long form story
0:24:16or like a review that requires a lot of attention.
0:24:19And I also do not keep the while driving option
0:24:25enabled anymore.
0:24:27Not because I want to look at my phone while I'm driving,
0:24:29but because I want Sylvia to be able to look at
0:24:31notifications while I'm driving.
0:24:33If something happens and there's like an important email
0:24:35or a message, she's able, funny story,
0:24:38she's often the one who replies on my behalf to John
0:24:41and Myke or Steven, but they actually don't know this.
0:24:46because I tell her what to write, but she's the hands behind the messages.
0:24:51I'm not comfortable with this.
0:24:53You never know. You never know when it happens.
0:24:56This is now the problem, right? I'm not comfortable because who knows what I could be saying.
0:25:00Now I'm going to have every message that I send to you. I'm going to imagine it's Sylvia seeing it.
0:25:04Yeah, you really do not ever say anything appropriate.
0:25:08Not appropriate.
0:25:09Oh my gosh. I was like, "Oh no, what have I done?"
0:25:11You never say any appropriate thing. You are a terrible human and we hate you.
0:25:14Anything not appropriate.
0:25:17So all of your messages are very, very polite and kind and funny.
0:25:21He's a gentleman.
0:25:22So I think you're fine, really.
0:25:24I've got to say, I don't like the driving thing because you're the only person
0:25:29that I've had this with Federico, like sending a text message and it comes up like,
0:25:32"Oh, Federico's driving. I really don't like those messages."
0:25:34Yeah, I turn them off.
0:25:36Yeah, me too.
0:25:37And first I turn those off and then I just realized I should just turn off
0:25:41DLD while driving because most of the time I'm driving with another person.
0:25:45I rarely drive alone and I want Sylvia to be able to look at my messages and just give
0:25:51me like a summary of if there's anything important she'll tell me otherwise you just say you'll
0:25:55respond later.
0:25:57So yeah, I enable it manually when I want to.
0:26:04So I still live my system of do not disturb always.
0:26:07So my phone is in constant do not disturb mode and then things come through to my watch.
0:26:11I still live that life, that's my life that I live.
0:26:13So my phone is always in do not disturb so that works great for me.
0:26:16And I do the calling thing right like favourites it will ring and the multiple people calling
0:26:20through it will ring.
0:26:22But I keep the do not disturb on my phone all the time.
0:26:25So one of the things that Alan proposes which I actually think is something just from listening
0:26:29to you two talk is actually something that would be great is the ability to set timed
0:26:36do not disturb. And this is kind of like the big thing that he's talking about in his article
0:26:40that there are a bunch of applications like Slack, right, that have their in-app based
0:26:45do not disturb, which you can set up on their schedules or you can set for small periods
0:26:50of time. So you can say like, I'll turn this off at such and such time because the remembering
0:26:55to turn off do not disturb can, I assume, is something that happens quite a lot if you're
0:26:59someone that does it the way that you guys do, right? Like you turn it on for a little
0:27:02while like why are you necessarily gonna remember to turn it off so it would be
0:27:06really great if do not disturb could be set for a specific period of time and
0:27:10turn itself off like if you're about to go into a one-hour meeting or you're
0:27:13gonna record a podcast for two hours just set it to be like turn off in two
0:27:16hours and there is definitely an ability within Apple's UI to do this right like
0:27:22the new 3d touch stuff and even Alan created a mock-up right like there are a
0:27:26bunch of things where you can press down and make effects and it would work in
0:27:29control center. So it all fits and I think that this would be a really really
0:27:33good evolution of the Do Not Disturb system.
0:27:38Yeah totally I agree I think especially the manual option with the sliders that
0:27:43you select an amount of time that's super clever and it fits with the
0:27:46current control center interface design and I also agree on the idea of more
0:27:51contextual Do Not Disturb triggers. I think it would be super useful. First
0:27:56well to have like a movie mode where automatically when I'm watching a video
0:28:01and I'm in full screen I do not want notifications to come in and interrupt
0:28:05me whether they pop up on screen or they also lower the volume of the
0:28:10movie and I also think there should be a mode where like Do Not Disturb is able
0:28:16to look into my calendar and like when I create an event there's a toggle that
0:28:21says when this event is in progress automatically engage Do Not Disturb
0:28:26and I would flip the switch in the event creation UI.
0:28:29And so when the event is on, like connected recording,
0:28:32my iPhone would automatically see that the event is going on
0:28:35and it remembers, well, I should turn on the
0:28:37Do Not Disturb now because Federico
0:28:38doesn't wanna see notifications now.
0:28:40So I think there's definitely a lot of potential
0:28:43for extending Do Not Disturb in addition to the manual mode
0:28:47and to the driving mode to other contextual options.
0:28:50- Yeah, that would be, I really like the idea
0:28:53of the event-based, doing a disturb, right?
0:28:56Like, even if it was like,
0:28:58even a whole calendar would be amazing, right?
0:29:00So like, my podcast calendar would just set
0:29:01doing a disturb on constantly,
0:29:03and then I would just, nothing would ever come through.
0:29:05Like, that is a really nice idea.
0:29:07- Yeah, it seems like, you know,
0:29:08Apple's trying to build all these links.
0:29:10You know, they're kind of using the Siri branding
0:29:12to do this, and this feels like such a natural extension
0:29:15of what they're already doing.
0:29:16Like, they have all this data,
0:29:18and it's all on device.
0:29:21Like, this would all be done on device, right?
0:29:23it can parse the calendar and put it on a widget and do all such stuff.
0:29:25It really seems like do not disturb is one of those things where besides the
0:29:30driving thing they added this year, like I can't remember the last time they
0:29:33approved it. Like it's been basically the same since launch.
0:29:37I don't even, I mean, do you guys even remember when this was added to the
0:29:40iPhone? Like I can't even.
0:29:42I want to say 5, 6 maybe?
0:29:45Yeah, somewhere in there. It's been a long time.
0:29:47It feels like a 6 or 7 thing for me. I don't think, I think it was later than 5.
0:29:51five seems pretty far away but.
0:29:53- But I agree with you, it's time that Apple sort of
0:29:56make this smarter.
0:29:58I mean they have all the data like, come on, just do it.
0:30:02- This is one of those things where like, rightly so,
0:30:04like anybody that uses Android, you know,
0:30:06I'm sure you can do this, I bet you can, I bet.
0:30:09And so it should be in iOS.
0:30:12Like this is one of those things where they can be like,
0:30:14oh this is Siri powered.
0:30:15Like wherever it is or isn't, right,
0:30:16you could just be like, Siri's doing this.
0:30:18This is one of the things that Siri can do for you.
0:30:20so smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that will be the branding actually, yes you're
0:30:25right. And also piggybacking on this, just like a super quick thing for me, right, because
0:30:29I use the watch as my notification filter, I would love to see the abilities when a notification
0:30:34comes through to force press on a notification to get an option to disable all notifications
0:30:39for that application. Like, because too often apps sneak through my system because if you
0:30:46enable notifications on the phone, it enables them on the watch. And I would love to be
0:30:50able on the watch to just be like, I don't want to see notifications from this game on
0:30:54my watch, right, rather than needing to go into the app all the time and turn them off.
0:30:59Just purely because the force touch and push notification does nothing. So give me something,
0:31:04right? Like, I would like to be able to do something there because I've tried it. It's
0:31:09like, I wonder, will it work? Or I just looked at my watch and Federico's looking at me on
0:31:13my watch. So that's that's fun. Last week it was Casey. This week is Federico. He's
0:31:18It's just smoldering at me on my watch face right now.
0:31:22- Okay, all right.
0:31:23- I'll put a screenshot in the show notes
0:31:25so people can see smoldering TG on my wrist.
0:31:28- You know I disabled the Siri watch face.
0:31:31I really like it.
0:31:33I like the idea.
0:31:35But every time I raise my wrist,
0:31:36I need to, I read about what is going on
0:31:40with US politics or some other tragedy
0:31:42and it's really depressing.
0:31:43- Just turn that off.
0:31:44Just what source is that?
0:31:45What news source?
0:31:47Like what thing is that?
0:31:48- You can turn news off entirely.
0:31:49- Yeah.
0:31:51- You're right.
0:31:51That could be that I didn't think of that.
0:31:54Yeah.
0:31:56- What data source is that though?
0:31:57- Is it news? - Apple news.
0:32:00- Oh, that's interesting.
0:32:01It doesn't show for me probably
0:32:02because I deleted the application on my phone.
0:32:05- That would probably do it.
0:32:06- That's cool that it does that, right?
0:32:08Like, so it knows the app isn't there
0:32:09so it doesn't even show it as a possibility
0:32:11in the Siri watch face for me.
0:32:13Huh.
0:32:14So yeah, just turn off the Apple news thing.
0:32:15Because we can go, if anybody doesn't know this,
0:32:17on the Siri watch face, once you've enabled it,
0:32:20you can tap on it and you can change the complications
0:32:23and amend the data sources.
0:32:24So I turned off stocks because it was like,
0:32:26what are you doing?
0:32:27Right, like I don't know that.
0:32:28So yeah, if you like the watch face Federico,
0:32:31that's a way around it, right?
0:32:32You just turn that off.
0:32:34- I really wish that I could,
0:32:36that third party developers could plug into this
0:32:39and like show me like a summary of my to-do list or whatever.
0:32:42Like that would make it,
0:32:43Like just that single addition would make it like 10 times more powerful for me.
0:32:48I genuinely think that that is a watchOS 5 thing.
0:32:51Like I genuinely believe that they're going to do that because I think that they've introduced this as a potential,
0:32:58like this is how we think the watch should be right.
0:33:01Like this is what it should be.
0:33:02It should be showing you this information.
0:33:04So I have my I have my fingers crossed for like watchOS 5 to allow developers to push this sort of information to the Siri face.
0:33:13I got my fingers crossed. I got my fingers crossed. That's all I can have. I've got my
0:33:20picture here now. I'm going to put it in the chat room. I'll put it in the show notes so
0:33:23you can see. They've got a smoldering tg on my wrist. I'm really happy to have that today.
0:33:30You see it? See him? See him just there? Just looking back at me?
0:33:33Let me take a look at this picture. Oh wow. Okay. That is really intense for a watch face.
0:33:41This is nice. I like it. It's like you're just looking into my soul and just telling
0:33:45me that it's all going to be okay.
0:33:47You should set it as your actual watch face.
0:33:49You know what? I might set him as the kaleidoscope. You know, and every now and then I'll just
0:33:54match it all up again and it'll look great.
0:33:57That's good.
0:33:58The TG emerges from the mayhem.
0:34:00Wow.
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0:35:43All right, so Amazon did a bunch of stuff.
0:35:50There's like a bunch of new Echos.
0:35:52We're gonna touch on a couple of those
0:35:53and talk about some news related to the Amazon Echo.
0:35:58On upgrade, we spoke about some of the new devices.
0:36:03And during that segment, I caught an amnesty on the name
0:36:07and just let it fly.
0:36:09I think we're gonna do that here today too.
0:36:11There is a vast possibility that if you have an Amazon Echo
0:36:15in a room with you, we're gonna trigger it at some point.
0:36:18So I am giving everybody the time right now
0:36:21as I'm talking to mute their Amazon Echos
0:36:24and we could just let it fly.
0:36:26So Federico, we have some middle show followup
0:36:30to address right now.
0:36:31Both me and Steven made a heavy bet
0:36:35which we'll get to around timeframes,
0:36:39about you coming back to the Echo
0:36:42because a couple of weeks ago, you were like,
0:36:45"I'm done, I don't want this anymore in my life.
0:36:48Siri is amazing, we don't need this Amazon Echo nonsense."
0:36:53And both me and Steven on episode 158,
0:36:56published on September the 5th,
0:36:58believed that you would come back
0:37:01to the Amazon Echo and Alexa lifestyle.
0:37:05Now, Steven, you bet six to eight weeks, right?
0:37:08And I said by the end of the year.
0:37:11So Federico, that was three weeks ago.
0:37:14Have you stayed true to your pledge?
0:37:18- No.
0:37:19(laughing)
0:37:21- There we go, welcome back, buddy.
0:37:22Nice to see you again.
0:37:24- So what happened?
0:37:26Well, we're back partially,
0:37:28and I think we both found out what the problem was.
0:37:32So it was funny because it turns out
0:37:34that both Silvia and I were actually missing the Echo,
0:37:38but we were not telling each other
0:37:40because we were kinda ashamed of the fact
0:37:43that we were wrong.
0:37:44And it was so surprising to me
0:37:46that especially Silvia was missing being able
0:37:48to ask the Echo to do stuff like setting timers
0:37:52or turning on the lights or listening to music
0:37:54via the Spotify integration.
0:37:56And then one day we were like cleaning the house
0:37:59and rearranging a few things.
0:38:01And I just went, you know, I kind of miss Alexa.
0:38:04And she's like, oh my God, I do as well.
0:38:06Like, I didn't want to tell you.
0:38:08- It's a real moment for y'all.
0:38:10- Yeah, it was really romantic in a way that, you know.
0:38:14Yeah, and so I went into the,
0:38:16like where we keep all of our old accessories and stuff.
0:38:21- Computers.
0:38:22- Like a box that I keep outside.
0:38:24And I just, I just brought Alexa back from the dead.
0:38:29And yeah, but what we did is we realized that we were,
0:38:34the Echo Dot, we're not using that
0:38:39because we both were annoyed by the constant presence
0:38:44of the Echo in the bedroom.
0:38:46And we didn't like that I set it up
0:38:50so it was connected to a bunch of,
0:38:54to a set of really crappy speakers
0:38:57and terrible sound quality.
0:39:00And also the fact that I thought it would be a nice idea
0:39:03to control our television just with Alexa
0:39:07and the Harmony remote.
0:39:08- That's a terrible idea.
0:39:10- That is a terrible idea.
0:39:12And also Sylvia really doesn't like the touch input
0:39:15of the Harmony remote.
0:39:17And also the fact that it combines a bunch of shows.
0:39:20She prefers, so we have a TV and a soundbar
0:39:23and she prefers having separate remotes for the soundbar
0:39:27and the TV.
0:39:28- Okay.
0:39:29- She finds the interface of the Harmony remote confusing,
0:39:31which I totally understand.
0:39:32- Yep.
0:39:33- And so we're not using the Echo Dot anymore,
0:39:36but we have the full standard Echo back in the kitchen.
0:39:40And yes, I was missing especially timers
0:39:43and lights controls.
0:39:45And also the Spotify integration is nice
0:39:49because when you're cooking,
0:39:51you can just say something, play something real quickly.
0:39:54and it does play something on the Echo.
0:39:58So yeah, I think it's important for me to,
0:40:02you know, I do this all the time,
0:40:03it's important for me to leave a few things behind
0:40:07to understand what is really important to me.
0:40:09And another experiment that I did recently
0:40:12was for like three days,
0:40:13I wanted to use Things as my task manager.
0:40:16And I was able to appreciate the design of Things.
0:40:20I think it's a really great looking app, seriously.
0:40:23Like it's super, like it's adequately put together.
0:40:27But it made me realize just how much I rely on Todoist
0:40:31for automation, for collaboration.
0:40:33And even if it's not as pretty, it is so useful to me.
0:40:37- Yeah, it's interesting that you actually did undergo
0:40:40that experiment, 'cause I feel like I could have told you
0:40:42immediately that you wouldn't be able to live
0:40:44about the automation.
0:40:46- Yeah, yeah, but I need to see this with my own eyes.
0:40:51- Yeah, I understand.
0:40:52I need to test this and also the fact that we removed both of the echoes and then we realized we were really missing only one of them.
0:41:00I think that was useful to just to understand how we use technology around the house.
0:41:06And so now we're back on the echo train and we're keeping our usage quite light.
0:41:13We have controlling the Philips U lights, listening to music, setting timers.
0:41:19And maybe we're going to enable the Logi Circle skill for the camera because we got a wireless circle to camera.
0:41:28Maybe we're going to enable that skill. I'm not sure it's so useful because all I think all you can do is start a new recording or set in private mode.
0:41:35What made you want to get the camera?
0:41:37The wireless camera. Basically, we need to keep a camera in the by the front door.
0:41:41And with the angle that we want to have, there isn't any wall outlet nearby.
0:41:47So up until now we needed to run a cable and like duct tape it to the wall, to the wooden frame of the kitchen door.
0:41:57Because that's the nearest wall outlet and that was super inelegant.
0:42:03So we got a wireless camera and I also bought a...
0:42:07I already bought like another battery so that when it runs out I'll just whop it in and put the other one to charge and do so every two to three months.
0:42:15Also, I mean a wireless camera is amazing.
0:42:17Like, you can just place these anywhere.
0:42:19It's true, yeah.
0:42:21It's true.
0:42:22So it's really what you have done here with your Echo is like what I do with Evernote
0:42:27sometimes, right?
0:42:28I just have to go...
0:42:29It is actually what you do with a lot of things, right?
0:42:32I have to go try it and then I come back to where I was.
0:42:36You still using Apple Music?
0:42:37Yes, yeah, very happy with it.
0:42:39Good, good, good.
0:42:41Yeah.
0:42:42I don't think that...
0:42:43I'm really happy with Apple Music.
0:42:44Anyways, so Frederick, I'm glad you're back.
0:42:47I'm glad that the two of you had some sort of
0:42:50weird tech-centric couples therapy over this.
0:42:53It sounds like you maybe worked through some things,
0:42:55which is really good, it's encouraging.
0:42:57- Yeah.
0:42:58- Did you welcome the Echo back when you set it up?
0:43:01- I actually did.
0:43:02I said-- (laughs)
0:43:04- I'm so sorry.
0:43:05- No, I said, you know, I said like,
0:43:08Alexa, welcome back, and she came back
0:43:10with some totally useless reply.
0:43:13And Sibiya was like "oh she's back"
0:43:15She's like "I'll show you, put me out in the hallway, I'll show you"
0:43:19Yeah, yeah, yes I'm really happy that we were able to stay without the echo for two to three weeks
0:43:30and sort of understand what we appreciate about this speaker and just how we use it
0:43:38I think it's a powerful idea and it made me even more curious about the HomePod.
0:43:42Like will Apple be able to replicate this kind of experience?
0:43:46I don't know.
0:43:47Okay, so the event was done in secret.
0:43:49It was even, like the event itself was embargoed, which I found hilarious.
0:43:54They released a whole wide range of stuff very quickly.
0:43:59There's the Echo Plus, which is in the body of the old full-sized Echo.
0:44:03It has an improved speaker system, some new finishes.
0:44:07smart home stuff so it has a radio that can talk to some smart home devices
0:44:13directly and it comes with a is it a Philips Hue bulb like yeah a Philips Hue
0:44:18bulb comes with it which is kind of cool they have the the regular echo which is
0:44:23now much smaller if you've seen a Google home it looks very similar to that sort
0:44:26of small smaller and squad ear you get them cloth covered or different finishes
0:44:31again they say better speakers and then there's the spot which is like a
0:44:36shrunken down Echo show so it has a screen it's like a it's like a two and
0:44:42a half inch round display maybe three and a half inch not very big this is
0:44:47really I think designed to be like a smart alarm clock like it feels like it
0:44:51wants to be on your nightstand remember it has a front-facing camera so maybe
0:44:55you don't want it on your nightstand or maybe you'll go all Zuckerberg on it and
0:44:59tape over it this feels way more approachable and more friendly than the
0:45:03The Echo Show, it's way better looking.
0:45:05The Echo Show looks not great.
0:45:08And these things are like scattered across the price range.
0:45:12So I think the normal Echo now is 100 bucks.
0:45:15You can spend less, you can spend more.
0:45:18There's a whole wide range of things.
0:45:19They've really taken the Apple approach
0:45:20of having lots of devices to hit every price point.
0:45:24Which is new for Amazon that, you know,
0:45:26up until this point they had the Echo Dot,
0:45:28which is for sale anywhere between 35 and 50 bucks
0:45:33depending on when you get it.
0:45:35And then the Echo was, I think, 149
0:45:37was its most recent stable price point.
0:45:40So they've spread out a little bit,
0:45:42which I think is good.
0:45:43You can charge them with throwing spaghetti on the wall
0:45:49to borrow a phrase from the chat room,
0:45:51and Apple's doing the same thing with iPhones, I think,
0:45:53and iPads and everything else.
0:45:55But companies do this because it works,
0:45:57'cause people want different price points.
0:45:59They don't wanna feel like they have to spend 149 bucks
0:46:02to get something decent.
0:46:03So I see whether Amazon's doing it.
0:46:06I don't have a problem with it.
0:46:07As far as my household, I've ordered the new Echo.
0:46:11You know, we have a full size Echo in the kitchen.
0:46:13We primarily use it for Spotify,
0:46:15even though my wife really likes it
0:46:16for like the news roundups at the end of the day
0:46:18and we do all sorts of stuff on it.
0:46:20But music is a big use.
0:46:21And if it does sound better,
0:46:23which Amazon says it does,
0:46:25but they're like imagery of the inside,
0:46:27looks a lot like the imagery of the old ones,
0:46:28so there's some question there.
0:46:31You know, if it does sound better,
0:46:32then I think we'll be happy with it.
0:46:33So I got the new full-sized Echo.
0:46:36So it'll be shorter and smaller than the old ones,
0:46:38which would be, actually would be nice.
0:46:39Where we have it sitting in the kitchen
0:46:40is very conspicuous, so something a little bit smaller
0:46:42would be nice.
0:46:43And I will probably put the full-sized Echo,
0:46:46the previous one, out here in the office
0:46:47and replace the Echo Dot that I have out here.
0:46:50So that's what we've done.
0:46:52I'm not interested in the Echo Plus,
0:46:54because I already have lots of smart home hubs
0:46:56running around on my network.
0:46:57I don't wanna take them off the network
0:46:59and swap them out with this.
0:47:00didn't seem to make any sense to me, so that's what I've done.
0:47:03What about y'all?
0:47:04Y'all doing anything?
0:47:05I did want to say about the spaghetti on the wall thing just real quick.
0:47:08Yes.
0:47:09I'm actually really impressed by Amazon here, that they have been able to come out with
0:47:14like essentially three main products and a bunch of ancillary products like the landline
0:47:20thing or whatever, but they've developed all of these products really quickly.
0:47:25Like they're just like, here's a bunch of new stuff, right?
0:47:28including the show and the look. I'm impressed by their research and
0:47:33development and design teams. They've been able to kind of, they made
0:47:36this one cylinder and then they're like, "People seem to like this,
0:47:39let's make all of the form factors now instead." And they've just done all
0:47:43of it. I think it's pretty impressive, the speed that they've
0:47:46been able to move to expand the line and what works they'll keep and what doesn't
0:47:50they want. I don't think Amazon care about that. What you'll notice,
0:47:56one of the echoes seems to have completely disappeared now which is that battery power
0:48:00Bluetooth one was it the tap?
0:48:02Yeah.
0:48:03Right and they just don't care about that sort of stuff. That one's gone now and here
0:48:06are the new ones. I bought the new echo the smaller echo I think it's a much better looking
0:48:12device. I like the cloth coverings but we went with the metal finish because we're going
0:48:18to put it in the kitchen we're going to replace the big one in the kitchen. So I don't think
0:48:22that a cloth covered thing will hold up very well in the kitchen, right? Like I
0:48:27feel like that that thing's gonna get all nasty after a certain period of time,
0:48:31right? Yeah, I did, I'm actually looking at my order, I think I did the black
0:48:36cloth one and I had that thought but ours is sort of, it's not near the stove
0:48:41or the sink or anything, it's sort of just on a counter. Yeah, ours is like bang in the
0:48:45middle of the sink and the stove, right? Like it's like right there. Yeah, that's gonna get, that's gonna get nasty.
0:48:49- Yeah, so we went with the metal one,
0:48:51and then we're gonna do the shuffle.
0:48:53So like, I'm gonna put the big one in the office,
0:48:56then we're gonna put the dot in the bedroom.
0:48:58We'll see how that goes.
0:48:59Maybe we'll go Federico in that situation,
0:49:01but that's where that's gonna go.
0:49:02Like, and we're just gonna use it as an input device,
0:49:04we don't have to attach anything to it.
0:49:06'Cause we have smart lights in the bedroom,
0:49:08and I think it would be nice
0:49:09to just be able to control them that way
0:49:11rather than shouting to hope that it will hear me
0:49:13in the office.
0:49:14- That's the only reason I have a dot in our bedroom
0:49:16is that at the end of the night,
0:49:18we come to bed and I have several lights on smart switches
0:49:22and they're set on a timer to turn off late at night,
0:49:24but if we want them to turn them off early,
0:49:26we just say hey, shut my front light off and it does it.
0:49:29- So yeah, we just further continue connecting the house.
0:49:33Although, I mean, our house is, our apartment is
0:49:35of the size where you can be anywhere in it
0:49:37and just speak loudly enough and one of them
0:49:39will pick you up, but we're just gonna fill it all out.
0:49:42'Cause we're gonna have an extra one,
0:49:43so we might as well put it in another room
0:49:45and that feels like the place for it.
0:49:46But I like the new Echo, I think it looks lovely.
0:49:48It's a much better looking thing, it has the controls on it, you can hook up speakers to it if you want to.
0:49:53I think it's a good looking product.
0:49:55Yeah, I do too.
0:49:56What I want to do is I want to get an echo spot, because I think it looks nice and definitely nicer than the Echo Show.
0:50:03And I want to put one on my nightstand, but without connecting a speaker to it.
0:50:09And I want to see if... there's a few things that I would like to be possible.
0:50:14First I want to see if I can talk to it and create tasks in Todoist and see like a visual confirmation on the tiny screen.
0:50:26I assume that that is possible for developers, I'm not sure, but I want to see if I can just talk to it and then see like a UI pop up on the screen.
0:50:35I also want to see if maybe now that I have all these different cameras inside the house if they can maybe send
0:50:41Like a video stream so that if we keep the bedroom door
0:50:46locked we can see what the dogs are doing somewhere else in the house and
0:50:51Finally I want to see if I can just do regular Alexa stuff
0:50:57but without a speaker now I want to see how much the screen can help in this regard and
0:51:03I wonder if maybe Amazon is gonna do things differently than the echo show or
0:51:07if it's gonna be just the same interaction and the same API's just on
0:51:11a smaller screen. Now that I don't know. Yeah I'm interested by the little um
0:51:16what is it called the the spot - I think it's like a cute little thing like it
0:51:21just looks kind of fun and it feels like you know that like this show is the
0:51:27original Kindle and the spot is like every Kindle that came after it. You can
0:51:33actually look at it without your eyes bleeding. Yeah it's less angles, less
0:51:36weird angles. They love angles on first-gen hardware. They sure do but like
0:51:42it's a it's not it's I mean I know that Federico you can get around us like you
0:51:45did the original one but it's US only starting sale in December. Oh yeah I got that
0:51:50covered. Yeah I have no doubt that you've got it covered I have absolutely
0:51:54oh you know I'm gonna be in the US in December I might just order one to like
0:51:58a hotel or something but yeah I'm looking forward to that like on that
0:52:02note as well. The show is available to buy now in the UK and it ships within the next
0:52:09couple of weeks like the regular echoes do. It comes out at the end of October, the new
0:52:15echo stuff, but I won't get mine until November. If you're not buying one of the cloth ones,
0:52:20it's a little bit longer wait, it's a couple of weeks more. Also, the echo to echo voice
0:52:26calling as of today has been enabled in the UK and Germany. Not that I'm ever ever going
0:52:32to use that.
0:52:33You can call Germans now.
0:52:35I just don't want to do that. I'm not up for that.
0:52:39I used the Echo messaging the first day to troll other people who I knew had them and
0:52:45that was the end of that.
0:52:48There was a moment today where I saw the app update and was like "Oh I'll call Steven"
0:52:53but it was like 11 a.m. my time.
0:52:55So that would have been fun for everyone.
0:52:58- Yeah, that would have been bad news.
0:53:01The Alexa app on iOS, still the default screen
0:53:04when you open it is conversations,
0:53:06which still drives me crazy.
0:53:08And mine are all from May when it was introduced
0:53:10here in the US.
0:53:11Not a super useful feature.
0:53:15They're obviously pushing into it.
0:53:16We didn't really talk about the Kinect,
0:53:18but it plugs into your landline
0:53:19and turns your landline phone number
0:53:21into some sort of Alexa messaging platform,
0:53:26but I don't know.
0:53:28It seems, I don't know why they're doing it.
0:53:33Maybe it'll prove really popular in some place
0:53:37where FaceTime and iMessage or WhatsApp
0:53:39don't have a strong hold on the market,
0:53:41but at least here in the US, it really feels like a,
0:53:44okay, well, I don't really care about that at all.
0:53:47- Oh, I can not enable it.
0:53:50That's great.
0:53:51I'm looking at the app right now and it wants my phone number and I'm just like skip and
0:53:55then it's just not letting it's just not setting up the messaging stuff so I'm just gonna leave
0:53:59it like that because I don't want this like I have no design for it.
0:54:02It's a silly thing.
0:54:03Yeah because now everybody's tested it and they know it works and whatever like I don't
0:54:06need to do it so great news everybody.
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0:56:20Okay, so iOS 11 has been out for a couple of weeks
0:56:24and we've been testing it.
0:56:25Is that how that goes?
0:56:27We've been testing this app for a couple of weeks now.
0:56:29- We've been testing it for a couple of weeks.
0:56:29- Yeah, I mean, I've just been on iOS 11 since,
0:56:33you know, I don't put betas on my devices.
0:56:35- Yeah.
0:56:36- I installed it when it came out, you know,
0:56:38I read the full--
0:56:39- Yeah, we were waiting for the release date
0:56:40and you know, I read this walkthrough on MacStories
0:56:44and then I started.
0:56:45- Yeah, I don't like those walkthroughs and those guides.
0:56:48I really don't think they're for me.
0:56:50I just prefer-- - It spoils the game, right?
0:56:52- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just prefer to read short posts,
0:56:56like 500 words or something.
0:56:57- Hot takes.
0:56:58- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:56:59- The hottest takes, 280 character hot takes.
0:57:01That's what I like.
0:57:02Finally, there was a place to get them.
0:57:05- Yeah.
0:57:06- But in all seriousness, we've been trying,
0:57:08there's been so many app updates and new apps
0:57:10that have come out since iOS 11.
0:57:11We wanted to share some of our favorites with you
0:57:14and you know what this means, it's time for a round robin.
0:57:17So we're gonna round robin some iOS 11 apps.
0:57:20I'm gonna start off with one that I was sent a beta for
0:57:24and it is something I've used a bunch of times already
0:57:26and I love it and it's so simple.
0:57:28It's called Zipped and it's by a developer
0:57:30called Multi-Educator.
0:57:32There'll obviously be links to all these in the show notes.
0:57:34It is just a very simple application
0:57:36that lets you zip and unzip files on iOS.
0:57:39You can import things from the files app,
0:57:41so you can just open the file,
0:57:43like the document picker files app thing,
0:57:45and choose a bunch of files and it will zip them.
0:57:48Or you can use drag and drop,
0:57:49so you can drag multiple files in at once
0:57:52and it creates a zip.
0:57:53Or you drag a zip file in and it will unzip it,
0:57:56and then you can save the results somewhere in files.app.
0:57:58Super simple, something that I'm very happy to have.
0:58:02There have been a bunch of applications that can do this,
0:58:05but this is the one that works for me in this iOS 11 world,
0:58:09because it does one thing and does it well
0:58:12and it implements drag and drop in a great way.
0:58:14So yeah, it's called Zipped and I really, really like it.
0:58:17- So my pick is a default app.
0:58:22It's actually Apple Mail.
0:58:24- Look at you.
0:58:25- I have a complicated relationship with Apple Mail
0:58:28in that I think Apple is making a mistake
0:58:32by being stuck in the past
0:58:34and not adopting push notifications for Gmail
0:58:37or app integrations with third-party services
0:58:40or just really enabling some kind of extensions
0:58:43while you're reading an email message.
0:58:46But also, the reason that I'm using mail for now
0:58:51is that I've yet to find an alternative email client
0:58:55on iOS 11 that works with drag and drop the way that I want.
0:58:58And before people recommend airmail--
0:59:02- Like I will in a little bit. (laughs)
0:59:05I've been having some issues with airmail and just general stability and animations,
0:59:12a few bugs, a few graphical glitches and...
0:59:14Oh, so you've come into the problems that have existed with airmail for airmail's entire
0:59:18time.
0:59:19It's so buggy.
0:59:20I feel like we could have said this constantly, right?
0:59:22Like it is like that.
0:59:23This is the app.
0:59:24It has gotten worse for me and to the point where I, you know, when it launched in my
0:59:30review I wrote that there's a few bugs, there's a few glitches and it seems like over time
0:59:34it's gotten worse and I feel bad because I love those guys. They have so many good ideas,
0:59:39but in terms of polish and in terms of bugs they really do need to find a solution. Because I mean
0:59:45sometimes my emails they say airmail plays the sent sound and then an email message is not sent
0:59:52at all. And that for me is a problem. And I do appreciate the general stability and you know
1:00:00Apple Mail is fast and fluid. You can say whatever you want about it, but at least the UI is not as buggy as
1:00:08Air Mail. The reason that I like it is that when I drag an email message from Mail into something else,
1:00:15usually my task manager, which is Todoist, it creates a link back to the email message.
1:00:20Like a message column slash slash link that I tap it and it takes me back to that individual message.
1:00:26And that for me is the right way to implement drag and drop on iOS 11 from an email client.
1:00:31I want to pick up an email message and drop it into my task manager or my note-taking application.
1:00:37And I want to reference that message. I've yet to find, besides Yarmil, which does this,
1:00:43you know, stuff like Outlook or Spark or email by EasilyDuo, which is now called Addison Mail,
1:00:50I think. So all these other email clients, Polymail, they don't have this feature,
1:00:56which I think it doesn't make any sense because it's perfect. So until that happens,
1:01:00or until Airmail figures out all these bugs and graphical glitches and, you know,
1:01:04bugginess, I'm sticking with Mail. It's, even if I don't love it, but it works with drag and drop.
1:01:13So, yeah. Welcome to using the adult Mail client. Every time I try Airmail, it lasts shorter and
1:01:20shorter periods of time for all those all those issues. So my my pick is Todoist
1:01:26which is an app that all three of us use and have used for a long time now. With
1:01:31iOS 11 it has Siri kit support so you can ask the Ahoy telephone to add things
1:01:38to your to-do list or to tell you what's due today those sort of things. I
1:01:42I struggle with the trigger word making that work correctly for me.
1:01:51Some of the phrasing is a little funny and the word "todoist" sounds like a lot of
1:01:55other words I guess the way I say it.
1:01:57It just flat out doesn't work.
1:01:58Like it doesn't work.
1:02:00It just thinks that I want to do it.
1:02:03And like I know like but the thing is I'm not going to say "toidoist".
1:02:07I'm not going to do that, right?
1:02:08Like this is what people tell me.
1:02:11They say, "Oh, just say todoist or to-do-st."
1:02:14I'm not doing that.
1:02:15It's called todoist, and until they can find a system
1:02:19to make that work, like, I don't care who this is on,
1:02:23like, this is not usable.
1:02:24Like, I'm not gonna give apps, like, random names
1:02:26because Siri might work with it.
1:02:29- Yeah, yeah, it's a little iffy,
1:02:32but when I get it to work, it's nice.
1:02:33It has drag and drop support for notes attached to tasks.
1:02:38You can drag in things like email messages.
1:02:41I have, however, discovered a super fun bug between iOS 11 and High Sierra, where iOS
1:02:48mail links don't work on the Mac.
1:02:50They seem to encode them incorrectly.
1:02:52I don't know if it's a to do issue or a mail issue.
1:02:55Haven't dug super far into it.
1:02:57But it drops the two slashes after messages colon and so the links are broken on the Mac.
1:03:03If you manually fix them, then they work on the Mac, which is super annoying.
1:03:07So I don't know whose fault that is, but, so, Todoist iOS 11 isn't perfect by any means,
1:03:13but I like the direction they're moving, I like that they're adopting things quickly,
1:03:18so that gets my first pick.
1:03:21I would like to pick an app called Air Mail.
1:03:24It's a mail client that I really like.
1:03:28So here's the thing, right?
1:03:30I don't like the phrase that Steven used about using an adult client, that mail is some
1:03:37somehow better because the thing that Federico started on
1:03:41I mean, it sends mail when I tell it to you.
1:03:42Yeah, but the thing that Federico started on was the idea that Apple's Mail app, and
1:03:47it's in the review, I know this because I read it a bunch of times.
1:03:51Oh, interesting.
1:03:52Oh really, did you?
1:03:53Yeah, that Apple's Mail client is stuck in the past. And that there are a bunch of features
1:04:00that they either don't want to do or can't do or for some reason believe there's some
1:04:04some philosophical reason that they shouldn't do. But there are just a bunch of things that
1:04:08people expect from mail clients now that Apple's mail just seems to refuse to do. And I don't
1:04:14like mail because I am a very heavy email user, very heavy. I spend a lot of time in
1:04:19email and I want my email client to be the application that has every setting imaginable.
1:04:27I want all of the settings and that's what I get with AirMail. Like I can completely
1:04:31customize the app to work in the way that I want and that's why I use it.
1:04:35And the thing is, it's just a thing, right?
1:04:38Like if you use airmail you need to accept that it's going to be bugs with it and you
1:04:41end up getting into some different workflows.
1:04:44You can say you don't want to do them and that's fine, but just every now and then if
1:04:47I send an important email I just check my sent folder and just make sure that it's in
1:04:50there.
1:04:51You know, it's just something that I do every now and then.
1:04:54Like look, I know it sucks and I've said it and like I have said this for as long as I've
1:04:57used airmail that it is an application full of bugs and eccentricities but I love the
1:05:04settings I'm willing to make the trade off because the thing is if I used Apple's mail
1:05:09app I would rage quit it in like a day because every time I open the application I'm frustrated
1:05:15by some of the settings that it has and the things that it does and just the amount of
1:05:19extra steps that I have to go through to get my email to work in the way that I want. But
1:05:24But anyway some of the things I like about Airmail and iOS 11, I like all the drag and
1:05:28drop implementation, like the fact that I can drag an email to my notes app to make
1:05:32a PDF which has removed the need for me to use workflows.
1:05:36I like that I can drag an email to Todoist and I get a mail link, they are the two expected
1:05:40things for me that's what I want.
1:05:41And I like the drag and drop for attachments, so I can drag attachments in and out of my
1:05:45emails.
1:05:46I would like to see them work out a way to drag multiple items in, that would be really
1:05:51great but just dragging three things one at a time is so much faster than how I've previously
1:05:56done it. I think it's great. And of course Apple's Mail app I'm sure allows you to do
1:06:01the drag and drop of multiple things and I'm sure that's great but you know just simple
1:06:05stuff that I really like like for example the way that I like messages to be marked
1:06:09as unread and what state I want that to be in. Todoist allows me to do that and no other
1:06:14email app does. Not Todoist, Air Mail. Air Mail allows me to do that and that's one of
1:06:19that I love about it. It's buggy, it's dumb in places, but I love the development that they have
1:06:24in that application. So that's why I use it. My next pick is going to be an app that I've been
1:06:30using for a long time. It's been my clipboard manager of choice on iOS. It's called Copied.
1:06:36And Copied, thanks to iOS 11, evolved into something closer to a shelf type of app,
1:06:42of which there are plenty. What is a shelf?
1:06:46A shelf is one of those things you buy at IKEA and then you have to assemble with a bunch of instructions.
1:06:53So it got AR support then, right? So you can put the shelf in your house, is that what you're saying?
1:06:58Yeah, and you just do it on the iPad.
1:07:00Sounds nice.
1:07:01Yeah, it is nice. So now on iOS 11, copied, you can use it with drag and drop and you can keep it in slide over.
1:07:10and you can drop images, text and links into it.
1:07:15As you go you can pick up a bunch of things and drop them into Copied,
1:07:18which syncs them with iCloud.
1:07:20So they show up on your Mac and they show up on your iPhone too.
1:07:23And it's really nice because for a long time I've been using the Copied extension
1:07:29or the Copied custom keyboard to clip text and links into the app.
1:07:34But now it's just so much easier to keep Copied in slide-over, slide it onto the screen
1:07:39screen and drop things in from either like an interesting tweet that I want to share
1:07:45with my team or like a bunch of links or a bunch of screenshots that enter a kind for
1:07:50reference. It's really nicely done. And I like the shelf apps like I've been testing
1:07:57the beta of Yoink that Apple apparently doesn't want to approve on the App Store. And there's
1:08:03this new shelf app called Gladys, which does a bunch of things that I like and also workshelf.
1:08:08those apps, copied cannot work with files, with documents, like you cannot put PDF
1:08:14documents in there or you cannot put a zip file in there, which is too bad
1:08:18because I would like copied to evolve into something bigger but right now it's
1:08:22still mostly a clipboard manager in the sense that it deals with text and images
1:08:27but I would like you to become a little deeper.
1:08:30So I was gonna ask you what is the Shelf app?
1:08:36What is the one that you recommend? I've got a bunch on my iPad, right?
1:08:42Like I'm meaning to test out. What is the one that you recommend that provides the
1:08:46features that you were looking for? It's like a place to store everything.
1:08:50So I would say either Workshelf or Gladys. It's spelled G-L-A-D-Y-S. It's got like an alien icon.
1:09:02icon. And I recommend this too because Gladys, I think it's got a nicer UI, but
1:09:09both of them allow you to drop anything you want into the app and inspect the
1:09:15multiple versions of what you just dropped. Like if you drop in an image
1:09:19from a webpage, you get both the image and the link to the image, and you can
1:09:24choose what you want to export later. So you can inspect the multiple
1:09:28representations of an item. And both of them, both Work Shelf and Gladys, are free to download.
1:09:35They have in-app purchases to unlock the complete feature set. And they are the closest
1:09:42implementations of my original idea, which of course was something else for my iOS 11 concept.
1:09:48But if you're looking for Shelf apps to use to clip anything, from text to links to documents,
1:09:55I would go with these two.
1:09:57Okay, then I will delete the other ones that I have.
1:09:59And if I really had to choose,
1:10:02I would probably say Gladys because it's nicer.
1:10:05Okay, this is new, right? Like, I haven't heard of this.
1:10:08Nor can I find it anywhere.
1:10:10I'll give you, I'll send you, I'll send you a link.
1:10:14App Store search, man.
1:10:16Like, I'm literally searching the word.
1:10:18Have you tried searching with John's Blink app?
1:10:23Let me try. I bet Blink will find it.
1:10:25This is a live test here of Blink.
1:10:28See if it can help me.
1:10:30Gladys Shelf maybe?
1:10:32My gosh, why is that so such a good one?
1:10:34Gladys Shelf works.
1:10:36Yup, Blink found it.
1:10:38And Blink, you know.
1:10:40As always.
1:10:42Yeah okay, well there's something to try.
1:10:46I don't know what I feel about that icon, but like, what are you gonna do?
1:10:49Alright Steven, you're up.
1:10:51I am up and I'm going to pick Day One. This is another app that I've used for a
1:10:56long time, but with drag-and-drop my most common workflow with it is much faster.
1:11:00So my biggest use for Day One is say we take the kids out for a day of stuff.
1:11:05I'll throw you know three or four pictures in Day One and write a
1:11:08paragraph or two about you know what we did that day. By far my most common
1:11:11use of Day One. And before you'd have to go in there create a new entry, hit the
1:11:16media picker, find the images and add them. But now with drag-and-drop I can have
1:11:20photos and day one open and I can just select the images I want and drop them
1:11:24into day one and they attach and it's much faster. So that's one of those
1:11:30things that you know it seems like a small thing but when you do this maybe a
1:11:34couple times a week or several times a month it makes it a lot faster and using
1:11:37the media picker you know even in iOS 11 if you have iCloud photo library on it
1:11:41could be a little slow at times and this way I kind of avoid all of that and just
1:11:45drag them in so it's a it's a big win for me and every time I use it you know
1:11:50I'm glad that it's there. It makes it much faster.
1:11:52And it's kind of fun, right?
1:11:53Just like to watch stuff and drag them over and drop them in the funny animation.
1:11:56So, um, that's, uh, something I've been enjoying a lot.
1:11:59Uh, I want to talk about an AR game that I think works pretty well and it's AR
1:12:05sports basketball. It's very simple.
1:12:08You can put a basketball hoop in the world that you're in,
1:12:11either full size or desk size, and you fire basketballs into the hoop.
1:12:15And you can play a couple of different games. They have a horse mode.
1:12:19But...
1:12:20It's fantastic and you can just fire little basketballs into a basketball hoop.
1:12:24It's just a really really simple fun AR game.
1:12:27It's one of the nicest implementations that I've seen just for like a fun quick little
1:12:33game.
1:12:34So AR sports basketball would be my recommendation there.
1:12:37So another app that I've been using for years really is called Linky.
1:12:42And Linky is a custom share sheet for Twitter and Facebook.
1:12:47And of course it's become even more essential now in iOS 11 that Apple removed the native
1:12:52Twitter and Facebook integrations.
1:12:55And for a long time, Linky has allowed you to set up multiple accounts and tweet.
1:13:04When you select an article in Safari and you want to tweet like a snippet of text as an
1:13:09image, you can do that natively.
1:13:12Now in iOS 11, the developer of Linky has done something that I didn't know was possible.
1:13:17And that is, you can drop stuff into the extension.
1:13:21So as you're using Safari, you can pick up a bunch of things.
1:13:24You can select text, you can start dragging a link or even an image, and then you can
1:13:29tap on the share sheet and bring up the Linky extension, and then you can drop stuff in.
1:13:36And I had no idea that would...
1:13:38Yeah.
1:13:39I think you didn't know this, Myke, because it was a footnote in my review.
1:13:42And of course you didn't read the footnotes.
1:13:44Didn't read the footnotes.
1:13:45But yes, it is possible to drop stuff into an interface generated by an extension.
1:13:53So that's really cool.
1:13:54And I've been using this to share articles from Mac stories and other sites,
1:13:59and it works really well.
1:14:01So yeah.
1:14:02That's awesome.
1:14:03I didn't know you could do that. That's really cool.
1:14:07Yeah.
1:14:08All right, Steven, you're up.
1:14:11So my last pick is an update to the Notes app.
1:14:15I think like lots of people, Notes has become very central to a lot of my work.
1:14:21And in addition, in iOS 11 and in High Sierra, is the ability to add simple tables to Notes.
1:14:28So these aren't as fully formatted and fully featured as what you may get in something
1:14:32like Pages.
1:14:34But for simple organization, having tables there is really nice.
1:14:38So just the other day, I kind of went through and I had some notes that were sort of, they
1:14:43had structured data in them, but not, it was kind of messy.
1:14:47And I could just very quickly make a table and say, "Hey, these are all the specs for
1:14:51this thing," or, "These are some," I use it for contact information or the classroom numbers
1:14:57my kids are in at school, that sort of stuff that was just sort of text.
1:15:00I can now have it nicely formatted and it works cross platform so it's on my Mac and
1:15:05my iOS devices.
1:15:07Something that on the surface of it may not be that exciting, right?
1:15:12Features in the Notes app, they've had bigger and better features over the years, but it's
1:15:17one that's really helping me keep my notes more organized than I ever have.
1:15:21And I've been enjoying slowly converting a bunch of my notes to include tables for the
1:15:25first time.
1:15:26All right, I have two quick ones that I want to just touch on.
1:15:29That's not how round robin works.
1:15:31Well then you two, okay.
1:15:33Myke gets the extra because he came up with the idea.
1:15:36You two can come up with two more picks then.
1:15:39Oh no.
1:15:40How about that?
1:15:41No, no, no.
1:15:42You did the dual pick Myke.
1:15:44I'll do it then.
1:15:45Just two applications that I think have nice implementations of drag and drop just for
1:15:48a couple of things I wanted.
1:15:50Fantastic L2.
1:15:51You can now drag and drop events around on days for rescheduling.
1:15:54This is something that I've wanted to be able to do for a while rather than having to select
1:15:58the date picker to move something so I really like that. And 1Password you can drag and drop
1:16:03fields which is fantastic. Some things don't auto fill. I find that sometimes you want
1:16:10to put a credit card in and it just doesn't work so now you can just open 1Password anywhere
1:16:18and you can drag and drop things out. You can also do this from the, you know you get
1:16:22the fill in extension. You can drag and drop things out of the extension. So that works
1:16:27So yeah, you can do that and it's great and it just allows you to drag and drop stuff in nice and easily
1:16:33So yeah, that's it. That's all my picks. That's all of our picks
1:16:36That's the end of the round robin and the end of this week's episode
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