The Accidental Tech Podcast

174: A Ding in the Room

 

  is there where's there a good summary of [TS]

  what the hell happened in the keynote [TS]

  i'm on in your notes damage on I didn't [TS]

  take good notes what do you want from me [TS]

  you guys are the best so we are here [TS]

  live in California almost on vacation we [TS]

  are in my hotel room [TS]

  so any weird audio things that might or [TS]

  might not be here that's a the parc 55 [TS]

  fault definitely not ours and so we just [TS]

  got out of the state of the union and so [TS]

  I guess there's a lot to cover here I [TS]

  don't know how much we're going to today [TS]

  because we have a bit of a time limit [TS]

  let's just try to get started huh right [TS]

  so what was the first thing that was [TS]

  covered in the came out it was it I [TS]

  don't like it was all blurred when I [TS]

  don't have a swatch i was watching [TS]

  that's right that's right there and [TS]

  watch us three holy crap it turns out [TS]

  the watch 3 is actually the first non [TS]

  beta version of watch us in my personal [TS]

  opinion man did it look good [TS]

  well we haven't used it yet don't look I [TS]

  said look good idea was good yeah but [TS]

  honestly and no I mean I mean you know [TS]

  I'm kind of a watch skeptic at this [TS]

  point our yeah but a little bit but but [TS]

  no I mean I think it looks great and I [TS]

  was really really hoping that they would [TS]

  you know kind of just read rethink the [TS]

  watch rethink the app paradigm rethink [TS]

  the but the difference between the [TS]

  glances and the app and and everything [TS]

  else and I think they did and it looks [TS]

  really good i'm very tentatively [TS]

  optimistic about it honestly I think it [TS]

  shows that they are like you know by [TS]

  getting rid of the glances and by [TS]

  consolidating you know the app with the [TS]

  face and everything it looks like they [TS]

  are actually willing to reconsider and [TS]

  rethink fundamental things about how the [TS]

  watch works and that is awesome and it [TS]

  was because you know it kind of needed [TS]

  that you know Obi I think the overall [TS]

  the overall impression that I think [TS]

  we're getting from apple for about the [TS]

  watch during this is please use apps [TS]

  like that's kind of like you know first [TS]

  of all please make asked for and [TS]

  secondly like they are they are being [TS]

  much more forward with users including [TS]

  things like the like the the [TS]

  complication like gallery they showed up [TS]

  in the ethyl and the stadium in there [TS]

  there being more for with users about [TS]

  like how how how they discover that they [TS]

  can put apps on there [TS]

  watch and by making this better [TS]

  hopefully they'll make them a little [TS]

  more you know sticky and useful for [TS]

  people so overall it looks great and I [TS]

  really hope that it ends up performing [TS]

  and just being as good as it looks in [TS]

  the keynote yeah as the one of the three [TS]

  of us that i think is most enthusiastic [TS]

  about the watch i was overjoyed by what [TS]

  I saw I it looked unbelievable Apple [TS]

  apparently has made tremendous strides [TS]

  on making appt launching considerably [TS]

  quicker as far as we know all of that a [TS]

  software doesn't require any new watch [TS]

  hardware which presumably is coming [TS]

  sometime soon but no formal mention was [TS]

  made of it it looked awesome and there [TS]

  were some other features that I thought [TS]

  really good the the emergency thing that [TS]

  they did so if you mash down what was [TS]

  once the completely useless contacts [TS]

  button but it's now the like what is [TS]

  that the glances button or not glances [TS]

  but like that after the Amazon was gone [TS]

  yeah yeah doc so I seamaster on the dock [TS]

  button and it shows you what today is [TS]

  the three sliders which is power off [TS]

  power reserve lock device [TS]

  well if you hold down the button long [TS]

  enough it will eventually place an [TS]

  emergency call to the local emergency [TS]

  number in the particular locality that [TS]

  your standard sitting and and so if [TS]

  you're in Hong Kong with you have an [TS]

  American watch it will call whatever the [TS]

  appropriate number is in Hong Kong if [TS]

  you're in America regardless if you [TS]

  watch happens to be British it will call [TS]

  it's very very cool it will also i guess [TS]

  paid or send a push notification to the [TS]

  emergency contacts with your location [TS]

  and and I guess whereabouts or whatever [TS]

  it looks really really cool yeah this is [TS]

  i mean i-i I worry a little bit about [TS]

  how easy it is to invoke like if you [TS]

  just hold down the button because it is [TS]

  fairly you know it's not that uncommon [TS]

  to accidentally hold down the button on [TS]

  your watch if it's like pressing against [TS]

  something to have an action that read [TS]

  that only requires it to be held down [TS]

  for a long time with no additional [TS]

  confirmation step I think there's a bit [TS]

  of a risk of false alarms there but [TS]

  overall the idea of this feature is [TS]

  really nice you know implementation [TS]

  details aside the idea of it is great [TS]

  and it's yet one more reason why some [TS]

  people might want the watch yet one more [TS]

  benefit some people might get from it [TS]

  I don't expect this to be extremely [TS]

  widely used but for the people who do [TS]

  use [TS]

  it'll make a really big difference in [TS]

  their life and that's that's nothing to [TS]

  sneeze at [TS]

  I think you can make it too complicated [TS]

  though like because if you're in a [TS]

  situation and all like you can't make [TS]

  that you can really make it be an [TS]

  interaction can really make it so okay [TS]

  well to call mine online do this then [TS]

  look at your watch then place your [TS]

  finger precisely to touch this thing [TS]

  then do that then you know like confirm [TS]

  and double confirm insert both keys it [TS]

  really has to be the all i can do in [TS]

  this injured state is grow up for my [TS]

  watch feel a physical button and hold it [TS]

  down for a long time and even that may [TS]

  be beyond the their physical abilities [TS]

  of someone who's in a real dire [TS]

  emergency [TS]

  I mean a more clever i'll have enough [TS]

  for collaborate and even more prone to [TS]

  false alarms implementation would be if [TS]

  it notices like your heart rate going [TS]

  down to unsafe levels or something but [TS]

  then again some people have really low [TS]

  heart rates and I don't know that you [TS]

  know like you're trying to make it sort [TS]

  of the this watching is actively [TS]

  monitoring whether this person is alive [TS]

  and healthy and when they're not at [TS]

  sends notifications on to call 911 but [TS]

  at least something there [TS]

  there are location out to their [TS]

  emergency contact or whatever I mean [TS]

  overall for although the watch three [TS]

  things I don't want to be mean Apple but [TS]

  it kind of makes me wonder maybe i watch [TS]

  has been in development for a long time [TS]

  and they launched it with one of only [TS]

  two physical buttons on the device being [TS]

  a feature that basically nobody used and [TS]

  they fix that and watch us three great [TS]

  girls were all talking about this you [TS]

  know that consolidated things made think [TS]

  that one of the biggest applause lines [TS]

  when people realize they repurpose that [TS]

  huge button on the side up to something [TS]

  that people whose I'm like when you were [TS]

  testing it internally did you have [TS]

  testers bias where you so enamored with [TS]

  the idea of contacting the other five [TS]

  people on the watch OS team and sending [TS]

  them scribbles or whatever like that [TS]

  that that you convince yourself that is [TS]

  actually such an important feature that [TS]

  deserve this big button i think it [TS]

  reveals a flaw in their testing group or [TS]

  methodology or some other bias that they [TS]

  missed this and it's also a shame [TS]

  because of apples recycles that kind of [TS]

  have to wait for an entire year from to [TS]

  fix this because it required a big [TS]

  rethink like I feel like almost all the [TS]

  things that they're revamping here with [TS]

  the exception of the text of making [TS]

  launch faster but almost all the other [TS]

  revamping seem like things that could [TS]

  have discovered with a with a [TS]

  broader test group when they were coming [TS]

  up with the first design and the rest of [TS]

  the stuff like making it launched faster [TS]

  that's not really making a launcher is [TS]

  making it be already launched can be [TS]

  already there right keep more stuff in [TS]

  memory so you don't have to launch it [TS]

  because you're never going to get [TS]

  launched fast and slow hardware that [TS]

  seems like a good rethinking I've heard [TS]

  some people say that is actually still [TS]

  not quite stream lined to left enough [TS]

  that you could streamline it further so [TS]

  that you could control the entire watch [TS]

  with just the physical buttons for [TS]

  example in your fingers and sweaty [TS]

  sweaty finger people are very angry [TS]

  ok the idea that trying to use you're [TS]

  watching a certain point your finger [TS]

  becomes useless it's got its 22 sweaty [TS]

  right and so they want to be able to [TS]

  quickly hit physical buttons to stop and [TS]

  start timer on their work out and stuff [TS]

  in situations where the finger cannot [TS]

  precisely interact with the screen [TS]

  anyway so I think there's still ways to [TS]

  go in terms of accessibility for can i [TS]

  use the watch like a regular watch [TS]

  without touching the screen at all i'm [TS]

  not sure the use case that Apple cares [TS]

  about this point but definitely watch 3 [TS]

  is it huge step in the right direction [TS]

  on all fronts especially performs the [TS]

  way they showed and especially if [TS]

  whatever hit there is the battery life [TS]

  is not noticeable because one thing I [TS]

  think people are mostly not been [TS]

  complaining about is that my watch dies [TS]

  in the middle of the day so maybe they [TS]

  have a little bit of battery despair [TS]

  maybe they can squish things down and [TS]

  they'll be enough overhead for all these [TS]

  background updates and stuff like that [TS]

  yeah well I mean the watch battery is a [TS]

  bit of a problem for the 30-millimeter [TS]

  users who use work out a lot of that's [TS]

  true but beyond that yet in general [TS]

  you're right i mean most i mean when i [TS]

  was wearing the watch i would finish [TS]

  most days with like fifty percent [TS]

  battery left which is great but you [TS]

  weren't using the apps on the launch [TS]

  like that ever see how this works out in [TS]

  practice was like it you know because [TS]

  the apps or so cumbersome to use you [TS]

  wouldn't use it for that and so now if [TS]

  they become better to use I don't let [TS]

  that hold the whole brushes that we want [TS]

  people to be in and out of the apt [TS]

  quickly small quick interactions and [TS]

  your interactions can't be quick if you [TS]

  can't start them until you know 3 10 [TS]

  seconds past they are talking about how [TS]

  the current app won't go away for a much [TS]

  longer period of time so that if you're [TS]

  in the store looking at a shopping list [TS]

  every time you bring that you know you [TS]

  look at shopping list you somehow we [TS]

  navigate to it and you check off the [TS]

  item you know Scott and then you put [TS]

  your arm down you walk 20 feet and i'll [TS]

  pick up another item pick up your watch [TS]

  again it's like I have no idea what [TS]

  you're looking at here is the time [TS]

  like I was just looking at the grocery [TS]

  list find the grocery list again even if [TS]

  it's something as simple as I hit the [TS]

  button swipe swipe to the doc go back [TS]

  into the end it will remember [TS]

  oh you were just looking at your grocery [TS]

  list and stick on that and this is kind [TS]

  of like a mind-reading thing where when [TS]

  you want it to be on the last thing you [TS]

  were looking at your frustrated that [TS]

  it's not but if you just want to show [TS]

  the time you're frustrated that it's [TS]

  showing the previous watch so there's [TS]

  another delicate balance and I hope they [TS]

  sort of user tested this more in the [TS]

  real world maybe now the largest [TS]

  publicly that they could have been all [TS]

  wearing it maybe that was the full on [TS]

  the methodology if you try to wear it [TS]

  secretly small group of people you're [TS]

  not gonna learn like it's so easy to [TS]

  convince yourself that little wheel of [TS]

  people is like super awesome and you can [TS]

  send each other like digital times and [TS]

  stuff and then once it's out in the wide [TS]

  world you're like you know I don't find [TS]

  myself using the wheel of people that [TS]

  often we have a whole big buttons use or [TS]

  something else but but kudos to them for [TS]

  not being stubborn saying you know that [TS]

  they didn't come up with the right [TS]

  paradigm the first time so let's try [TS]

  again instead of trying to just let me [TS]

  do minor tweaks and maybe we can adjust [TS]

  it as if they change the purpose of the [TS]

  home button iOS like it used to be when [TS]

  you push the home but you went back to [TS]

  the grid of icons we turned out that's [TS]

  totally wrong and we're using for [TS]

  something that they got that right the [TS]

  first time on the phone they did not get [TS]

  it right and watch [TS]

  yeah yeah we should probably move on [TS]

  from the watch pretty soon but a couple [TS]

  of other notes a lot more support for [TS]

  people who are wheelchair bound which I [TS]

  thought was really really cool that's [TS]

  great I'm and among other things a the [TS]

  stand notification now says time to roll [TS]

  take a break and push around for one [TS]

  minute i thought that was really awesome [TS]

  and I i can imagine if I was in a [TS]

  wheelchair I think that's amazing and [TS]

  certainly more inclusive they did a lot [TS]

  Welton they sort of did a lot with faces [TS]

  so there's different phases newer faces [TS]

  more customizable faces yet unless I'm [TS]

  missing something you can't as a [TS]

  third-party developer make your own face [TS]

  it's just the complications are a little [TS]

  bit more robust now is that kind of a [TS]

  fair summary yet it's basically I mean [TS]

  yeah you you have basically no ability [TS]

  to make faces at all but complications [TS]

  suck less you know before before like it [TS]

  one of the reasons why we haven't seen [TS]

  you know an incredibly useful [TS]

  complications from developers is there's [TS]

  been all sorts of limitations employees [TS]

  and honest underscores way better to you [TS]

  know qualified to talk about this than I [TS]

  am because I because basically I from [TS]

  what he told me i discovered there's [TS]

  nothing for me to do they're really [TS]

  before you know things just things like [TS]

  you know how [TS]

  often the complication update its own [TS]

  data from its app versus just try to [TS]

  guess from like a timeline what it [TS]

  should be discovering stuff like that so [TS]

  with this release some of those [TS]

  limitations have been lifted and yeah i [TS]

  mean there haven't been removed just you [TS]

  know maybe like the limited raised or [TS]

  some some new things are possible that [TS]

  weren't possible before and complication [TS]

  but it seems like that the major [TS]

  advantage that the watch apps have is [TS]

  that kind of unified glance / at mode [TS]

  and if you're configured as a [TS]

  complication you you could you're more [TS]

  frequently kept in memory or something I [TS]

  don't know the details but like you have [TS]

  higher privileges in the system and [TS]

  you're refreshed more often and you you [TS]

  can you know you can respond faster [TS]

  because you're kept more memory so you [TS]

  know for people who want to configure [TS]

  one or two apps as their complications [TS]

  those apps will be substantially faster [TS]

  to respond then the other ones in the [TS]

  system but we will see how that shakes [TS]

  out and all the apps will have [TS]

  background refresh the the big slamming [TS]

  other on the old watch was that a lot of [TS]

  the times when you went to anything any [TS]

  kind of screen very often used all the [TS]

  information and by going to the screen [TS]

  you triggered ok now this application [TS]

  gets to do something to update [TS]

  information and again that kills the [TS]

  whole getting get out quick nature of [TS]

  the watch the new system is back and [TS]

  refresh all a privilege for i think its [TS]

  rollout definitely privileged if it's a [TS]

  if it's a complication and the little [TS]

  demo they gave was update all of your UI [TS]

  so it always matches so that you never [TS]

  in a situation where the glass shows one [TS]

  thing but if you launch the app but [TS]

  showed something else of it but if you [TS]

  you know so on the complication shows [TS]

  the third thing to just keep them all in [TS]

  sync always up-to-date and in the old [TS]

  regime of watching so you couldn't do [TS]

  that because you weren't running until [TS]

  they activated you and by then it was [TS]

  too late because you should was supposed [TS]

  to already have the information so [TS]

  they've learned that lesson they've [TS]

  implemented hopefully in a way that [TS]

  again doesn't kill your battery and and [TS]

  sorts out the limited memory on the [TS]

  watch in a way that actually enables the [TS]

  applications you use frequently to be [TS]

  all today tall consistent now in it [TS]

  always really really good it was funny [TS]

  that they actually showed a [TS]

  demonstration watch is two and how [TS]

  crappy it is too late and have been [TS]

  watching was too and is kevin lynch i [TS]

  believe was basically said in so many [TS]

  words [TS]

  look at how crappy this is you guys [TS]

  don't worry we fixed it so it's all good [TS]

  people apples apples willing to to [TS]

  critique their own past work once the [TS]

  problems [TS]

  go away that one yeah and once the [TS]

  problems you on the work isn't how [TS]

  crappy this is look how crappy this was [TS]

  yeah it's very disappointed you're right [TS]

  a couple quick other watch highlights [TS]

  scribble I think they called it so you [TS]

  can actually do handwriting on the watch [TS]

  and that will turn into text I don't [TS]

  think that's going to be terribly [TS]

  convenient [TS]

  however I do applaud the fact the the [TS]

  fact that it's a possibility that it's [TS]

  something you can do because sometimes [TS]

  you maybe don't want to dictate and [TS]

  maybe only want to write one word like [TS]

  the example on the apple website that [TS]

  goes through all the different stuff on [TS]

  the watch is the word starbucks like [TS]

  you're not gonna want to you're not you [TS]

  may not want to dictate that necessarily [TS]

  but at least you can scribble out STI [TS]

  ARB and it would hopefully figure out [TS]

  and I would never want to be be heard [TS]

  saying the word starbucks natural [TS]

  aptitude and there's this feels more [TS]

  like an accessibility feature feature [TS]

  for people who have difficulty speaking [TS]

  to it because I can't think of a [TS]

  situation where i mean you can whisper [TS]

  to the watch bring it up to your face [TS]

  and say starbucks whispered it's like a [TS]

  prayer and then like but because [TS]

  scratching out those letters [TS]

  graffiti-style not graffiti you can [TS]

  actually write actual letters on a [TS]

  little watch face especially if you have [TS]

  the small watch [TS]

  oh boy that does not sound like a good [TS]

  time and dictation for people who [TS]

  haven't tried it [TS]

  dictating on the watch like dictating [TS]

  anywhere if you're afraid to be talking [TS]

  to your device's just do it a few times [TS]

  do you realize wow this is faster than i [TS]

  could type on a keyboard because it [TS]

  usually is for most people it's really [TS]

  efficient but yes it's nice they added [TS]

  there is an option and it's definitely [TS]

  an overwatch os3 feature table throw it [TS]

  in we can do it may be good may be bad [TS]

  maybe people use it in certain [TS]

  situations but why not certainly it's [TS]

  not sucking your battery up its input [TS]

  mode and yeah it's better than it's [TS]

  better than digital doodles to each [TS]

  other it's not you know so and it also [TS]

  supports Chinese which yeah that's a big [TS]

  house which is really impressive and [TS]

  actually that's a great mini segue there [TS]

  were a handful of people of color on [TS]

  stage there are a handful of women on [TS]

  stage and I thought every single one of [TS]

  the people of color and women on stage [TS]

  absolutely killed it will talk a little [TS]

  bit more later about the woman whose [TS]

  name escapes me that did the music demo [TS]

  who I thought was fantastic and the [TS]

  woman who did the scribble that the [TS]

  Chinese scribble demo I i could have [TS]

  practiced that character a couple of [TS]

  characters or so [TS]

  this week's and screwed yeah that's [TS]

  difficult the amount of space I mean [TS]

  look so big up on the screen no it's [TS]

  drawing chinese character but think it's [TS]

  like some of those strokes were so small [TS]

  on like that finger must have been [TS]

  covering the entire thing yeah I don't [TS]

  know enough about a Far East text input [TS]

  to know how important it is to be able [TS]

  to do this on the watch like his [TS]

  dictation worse in in Chinese or [TS]

  Japanese or other language like that [TS]

  because I don't always get you know it [TS]

  still seems like it would be faster to [TS]

  dictate but certainly drawing out [TS]

  characters or he's like you know [TS]

  selecting radicals or whatever and [TS]

  combining into characters like when you [TS]

  have language that don't just have 26 [TS]

  letters it's nothing it's a big feature [TS]

  well and also like you know it when you [TS]

  have a language like that where the the [TS]

  density of like how many characters you [TS]

  need to express the message that you're [TS]

  trying to shoulder when you have like [TS]

  you know only a handful of characters vs [TS]

  like you know having to step out five [TS]

  words and I think it's more compelling [TS]

  because it's in a less time you didn't [TS]

  put this thing on this on this very on [TS]

  this device that has very limited input [TS]

  capabilities but you know overall I [TS]

  think that the dueling of characters is [TS]

  it's the kind of thing where like it's [TS]

  going to be one of those fine balances [TS]

  where it has to be a very short thing [TS]

  you're trying to doodle and it has to be [TS]

  way faster than doing it on but then [TS]

  taking that your phone just doing it [TS]

  there and like it's only you know if [TS]

  it's also it's almost like the [TS]

  implementation and the context what [TS]

  you're doing these things if it's going [TS]

  to be a big pain like the first few [TS]

  times you do it you probably can say is [TS]

  you take my phone from now on to do this [TS]

  and this thing so it has to be really [TS]

  good and you know it's it's probably not [TS]

  going to be that widely used but it [TS]

  would be nice for the for occasional use [TS]

  i think yeah i'm getting back to the [TS]

  diversity topic like yeah become this [TS]

  before is there's only so much apple can [TS]

  do here because they're the high-level [TS]

  c-level executives the people on there [TS]

  like important people page are mostly [TS]

  white guys right now and you have to [TS]

  wait for them to die or retire to be [TS]

  replaced until you can fix your [TS]

  diversity problem at the top right you [TS]

  know like that that's just a problem [TS]

  they face from years and years of not [TS]

  paying enough attention to this topic so [TS]

  they're fixing it in presentations the [TS]

  best they can't they still have you know [TS]

  Craig federighi q and like everyone else [TS]

  up there like doing it and and tim cook [TS]

  and like the whole people who are really [TS]

  really in charge at the very top the [TS]

  right below them the people who do the [TS]

  demos there's no reason that those have [TS]

  to be a bunch of people look at that [TS]

  exactly like them right and so they're [TS]

  doing they're doing a good job they're [TS]

  doing and it's amazing like they could [TS]

  have done this many years ago but it's [TS]

  taken a long time for them to realize [TS]

  you know like the first time I did it [TS]

  like we'll have one woman presenter like [TS]

  me [TS]

  keep trying no yeah okay we'll have two [TS]

  women presenters but both white good [TS]

  you're making progress on it's like [TS]

  they're they're slowly working the way [TS]

  up to in and like you said all the [TS]

  presenters are great of course like you [TS]

  know all they're gonna be great because [TS]

  they get these aren't just like random [TS]

  people they picked out of Apple [TS]

  employees you look at their titles [TS]

  they're in charge over intimately [TS]

  involved with the products they're [TS]

  presenting their not like random drop-in [TS]

  people they they know their stuff [TS]

  they're enthusiastic about it and like [TS]

  everyone else on stage they rehearse the [TS]

  hell out of them into so everybody's [TS]

  good [TS]

  so that was nice to see it's alex is [TS]

  still going to be years and years before [TS]

  you see that at the very top but I hope [TS]

  all presentations are like this should [TS]

  be like the minimum bar now for example [TS]

  the top level they should all be like [TS]

  this and quality wise as well because [TS]

  yeah now I thought I thought it actually [TS]

  added to the quality of the presentation [TS]

  as a whole to hear different voices and [TS]

  in because these people like you said so [TS]

  freaking good at doing these [TS]

  presentations mean he's careful these [TS]

  people were the first time I'd seen them [TS]

  on stage and the better than Craig's [TS]

  first time hard yet [TS]

  now to be fair i freaking love Craig now [TS]

  got any cute now [TS]

  yeah that's yeah that's already come on [TS]

  opinions so I love photos I can't wait [TS]

  to do it anyway that's what us and I [TS]

  think the best summary of the watch is [TS]

  part of the keynote which up until the [TS]

  state of the union was the my favorite [TS]

  thing i've seen so far today but the the [TS]

  summary page [TS]

  further the preview page for watching us [TS]

  which I mentioned briefly earlier it [TS]

  says at the top of the screen watch OS [TS]

  feels like a whole new watch which is [TS]

  kind of uncomfortable that's hair like a [TS]

  well this old stuff is crap today we [TS]

  already fixed they would go over all [TS]

  good right but it's true i mean i'm [TS]

  really really x i'm really excited about [TS]

  them about where this is going and the [TS]

  watch looks really great response to [TS]

  this week by fracture fracture is a [TS]

  company that prints photos directly onto [TS]

  glass go to fracture me.com you can get [TS]

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  now fracture these photos are amazing [TS]

  looking these nice thin pieces of glass [TS]

  with your photos printed in vivid colors [TS]

  the colors pop up you won't believe and [TS]

  it comes in the solid foam core backing [TS]

  behind the glass so you can mount it [TS]

  really easily on walls or you can stand [TS]

  up on desks little desk stands they make [TS]

  it so easy to use these prints and they [TS]

  just look fantastic [TS]

  I get compliments on my fractured prints [TS]

  all the time because they're all over [TS]

  our house they make your photos look [TS]

  good if you want to get your photo [TS]

  printed you know what you probably [TS]

  should [TS]

  so often your photo just kind of set on [TS]

  your phone forever or the UFOs what you [TS]

  post on facebook or instagram and [TS]

  they're there for like a day and they're [TS]

  just buried forever and no one ever sees [TS]

  them again with fracture you can get [TS]

  your photos printed and have this [TS]

  physical artifact have an actual [TS]

  physical representation of your photo [TS]

  that is an object made to last and it [TS]

  just looks fantastic [TS]

  you don't need to frame they are their [TS]

  own thing you know they're all their own [TS]

  self-contained thing so it looks great [TS]

  the value is amazing for the video for [TS]

  the price of a fantastic gifts you can [TS]

  give them as gifts for holidays or if [TS]

  you're only if you go on a trip with [TS]

  somebody you can do something gift some [TS]

  photos from the trip on fractures are [TS]

  you can send family if you have like you [TS]

  can like send pictures of your kids to [TS]

  their grandparents or something else [TS]

  like that you can do that fracture just [TS]

  make great gifts and Great Prince I like [TS]

  fracture a lot i used them myself there [TS]

  if I if I need photos printed let's go [TS]

  to them it's simple as that and i said i [TS]

  recommend you do the same now fracture [TS]

  is partnering with big green egg to give [TS]

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  fracture me.com and use code ATP 10 to [TS]

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  so next TV OS the only thing I really [TS]

  got from that I was really excited about [TS]

  there were two things actually one dark [TS]

  mode yes which is something i didn't [TS]

  even know I wanted but now that I know [TS]

  what I know you did as soon as I saw it [TS]

  I was like oh yeah that makes a lot of [TS]

  sense that's really good [TS]

  and supposedly single sign-on which [TS]

  supposedly will fix all those problems [TS]

  that will be awesome to so dark mode [TS]

  that I've noticed recently that some TV [TS]

  OS apps have been implementing their own [TS]

  dark mode like they've been responding i [TS]

  guess i'm assuming user requests for it [TS]

  i like why why do people care about dark [TS]

  mode it's not just aesthetics but you [TS]

  know athletics is one thing just as [TS]

  Marco people sometimes like dark mode [TS]

  for their applications second thing is [TS]

  people watch television and darkened [TS]

  room sometimes and if your UI has a [TS]

  white background and you come out of any [TS]

  kind of video which usually doesn't have [TS]

  a white background [TS]

  it can be extremely sort of shocking and [TS]

  glaring and this is not why they did it [TS]

  but for me specifically have a plasma TV [TS]

  and pure white and a plasma TV draws a [TS]

  lot of extra power and can make your [TS]

  Transformers wine a little bit and it's [TS]

  the situation it's a that again this is [TS]

  not why they did it but I'm excited by [TS]

  it and also because i watch TV in a semi [TS]

  semi darkened room at night so it kind [TS]

  of boggles my mind that they decided to [TS]

  go with white for their TV you why [TS]

  because they know people watch TV and [TS]

  kind of darkened rooms and you know when [TS]

  the show is over you hit the menu but [TS]

  you know what your eyeballs blown out [TS]

  especially since non plasma TVs have [TS]

  incredible brightness like LED tvs can [TS]

  go super super bright and sometimes [TS]

  people haven't turned up that bright so [TS]

  they can see then bright sunlight [TS]

  it's just not a good plan and a single [TS]

  sign on is the other major pain point [TS]

  for like you know when you install [TS]

  applications you got to go through this [TS]

  little dance and go to website and type [TS]

  in these codes and I think that stops [TS]

  regular people from stalling too many [TS]

  apps because it's a pain in the butt if [TS]

  there is a single sign-on you can do [TS]

  once and handles all that for you and [TS]

  people implemented which i'm sure they [TS]

  will because people want you install [TS]

  their apps [TS]

  this will be great so two thumbs up it [TS]

  seems i mean the single sign-on I don't [TS]

  honestly know because I don't have cable [TS]

  and you know I'm probably never gonna [TS]

  see this myself but the the dark no just [TS]

  go back to that for a second [TS]

  you know that we saw like with the with [TS]

  watch us with the update it seems like [TS]

  watch us is getting a major course [TS]

  correction and with iOS looks will get [TS]

  to a little bit i'm sure it seems like [TS]

  the design language has been updated to [TS]

  some degree as [TS]

  somewhat of a course correction so much [TS]

  and refreshing things making things new [TS]

  you know things like you know buttons [TS]

  are now more visible as buttons and some [TS]

  of the texts little bit thicker to be [TS]

  more legible and stuff [TS]

  the the TV getting dark mode i wonder if [TS]

  that is kind of like a like a half step [TS]

  in a course correction we're like you [TS]

  know the previous Apple TV was all [TS]

  constantly dark background you know most [TS]

  other TV boxes do dark background [TS]

  because it all the reasons that it [TS]

  basically works better for tvs the ATVs [TS]

  are actually used and TV hardware [TS]

  everything the new Apple TV getting this [TS]

  all white theme up front [TS]

  honestly I consider that a design [TS]

  misstep and I think you know they should [TS]

  have like instead of just offering dark [TS]

  mode they should just make TV OS 10 or [TS]

  whatever it's gonna be called just make [TS]

  it dark like just rethinking the whole [TS]

  OS to be dark because most of the other [TS]

  design elements don't have to change [TS]

  that's one of the reasons are able to [TS]

  offer a dark mode without the whole ton [TS]

  of work like almost all the rest of the [TS]

  design works whether it's a light or [TS]

  dark background so why not [TS]

  course-correct all the way and just [TS]

  really themed TV OS to be dark and not [TS]

  have this weird setting have to mean I [TS]

  have a bright dual design there as part [TS]

  of the reason light mode of each other [TS]

  like motors it did it was a [TS]

  differentiator because except every [TS]

  other TV box was a like a black rich [TS]

  background with stuff on it and Apple [TS]

  was different different a bad way in [TS]

  this case but it is differentiated in [TS]

  the market so it seems like they want to [TS]

  get even a dark mode is not black like [TS]

  the old apple TV it looks like it's dark [TS]

  grey yeah anyway this is not the things [TS]

  that are most wrong with TV OS are [TS]

  mostly involved inside the applications [TS]

  themselves how do i navigate how is it [TS]

  presented and that's not an OS level [TS]

  problem that's like a problem of how do [TS]

  you implement the your app for showing [TS]

  TV shows and movies and individual apps [TS]

  can fix that Apple's may still be not [TS]

  particularly convenient to use but the [TS]

  netflix app or whatever can continue to [TS]

  make a pleasant experience within the [TS]

  framework that's provided that the other [TS]

  thing that's worth bringing up with [TS]

  regard to the tvs and you remote app [TS]

  that was aq promise like three months [TS]

  ago when he was when he was on the the [TS]

  talk show [TS]

  yeah you're right it wasn't the talk [TS]

  show wasn't it that's here now and to be [TS]

  honest I don't really see what some [TS]

  people play games but they can have [TS]

  multiple controllers you can use any any [TS]

  iOS devices control that was the other [TS]

  big announcement and instead of doing [TS]

  that at CVS games can finally require a [TS]

  real controller- [TS]

  again at a misstep that seems remember [TS]

  there was a bouncing back and forth but [TS]

  the thing is released about the copy but [TS]

  this is I don't know how you can come to [TS]

  that decision and not realize the [TS]

  implications not like anything has [TS]

  changed radically in the market since [TS]

  then they've just like heard the cries [TS]

  of everybody else in the same crimes [TS]

  like you just got any 5lb look this into [TS]

  the room and said you know you can write [TS]

  games for Apple TV but you have to mute [TS]

  you have to make them usable in this [TS]

  terrible remotes like seriously no you [TS]

  have to why we want everyone to be able [TS]

  to play them well then there's certain [TS]

  kinds of games we just can't make well [TS]

  try harder and then that I don't I its [TS]

  they still seem weird about games apples [TS]

  always worried about games this is a [TS]

  step in the right direction [TS]

  those controllers are still super [TS]

  expensive than the show you know we have [TS]

  support for controllers a family but by [TS]

  sport controllers plus the price of an [TS]

  apple for controls crossed like what [TS]

  twice as much as an apple TV [TS]

  yeah there are like certainly still like [TS]

  40 or 50 bucks I don't know there's at [TS]

  least 50 years [TS]

  yeah their gaming story is still model [TS]

  less compared to the consoles but you [TS]

  know [TS]

  time marches on I mean you know console [TS]

  controllers aren't cheap either but but [TS]

  you know overall you like it you get you [TS]

  definitely into console price territory [TS]

  if you're planning on buying for [TS]

  contractors but I think if that ends up [TS]

  working out like if we get cool [TS]

  multiplayer games that could be really [TS]

  great like that could be an awesome [TS]

  thing for the platform if they care they [TS]

  make a first-party controller but i'd [TS]

  read them doing well based on the design [TS]

  of their first part of remote yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  but yeah those tos and I mean I think it [TS]

  looks good I we really should have just [TS]

  steal on or something like that to see [TS]

  if he's happy but to me it looked good [TS]

  but i will see what happens after tea [TS]

  vos was iOS 10 so when I said iOS I [TS]

  really meant OS 10 which is interested [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  yeah i like i like the beginning at team [TS]

  could come out and say we have four [TS]

  platforms and listed them off and they [TS]

  didn't do the rename then you know like [TS]

  they was a weird kind of anomaly arrange [TS]

  the presentation that was an intentional [TS]

  tease or the just realized all at this [TS]

  point we can't tell them it's mac OS so [TS]

  Craig got to come out into his renaming [TS]

  slide that he's done for the past few [TS]

  like picking place names in California [TS]

  like this time was about changing it to [TS]

  lowercase a mac OS cases favorite name [TS]

  at that was fine we expected it what did [TS]

  they talk about what I will say though I [TS]

  I did kind of expect them to just go [TS]

  with mac OS 12 I didn't expect the [TS]

  California names to continue and I [TS]

  totally expected that some places in [TS]

  California it's such a great branding [TS]

  because they ran out of cats cats [TS]

  weather good branding too but they ran [TS]

  out but they won't run out of place [TS]

  names in california right i think i [TS]

  think the place names are better than [TS]

  years and the better than numbers by the [TS]

  way the version is 10-12 so not that it [TS]

  matters anymore but and also Sierra is a [TS]

  way better name than freaking out captan [TS]

  which i still hate the all time that [TS]

  time is over now [TS]

  yeah thanks sara is a good name so in [TS]

  mac OS Sierra there is a serie which [TS]

  looked very powerful and toward the end [TS]

  of this serie demo it appeared as though [TS]

  it was doing a very googley photos style [TS]

  like show me the files that involve i [TS]

  don't know i'm trying to do whatever [TS]

  example they use but you know showing [TS]

  the files about the party i'm throwing [TS]

  no show me the ones i worked on with [TS]

  Aaron or something else something along [TS]

  these lines where you're you're finding [TS]

  a search query but being fairly abstract [TS]

  well and it's kind of abstract show me [TS]

  the files about the about the party [TS]

  we're planning you know there's [TS]

  something on those lines and it was able [TS]

  to piece together what that meant know [TS]

  the ones that i worked on with Aaron and [TS]

  then you bring down a shorter list [TS]

  I didn't like that it was very goofy and [TS]

  the initial response pastor I was trying [TS]

  to be funny be like here's your files [TS]

  your master file there i love the way [TS]

  you work like yeah the whole like Siri [TS]

  like being beings like what it thinks is [TS]

  funny and clever like the idea I think [TS]

  that time is over now to drop though [TS]

  there's a place for that but it's not [TS]

  when you're in the middle of an [TS]

  interaction our searches like and the [TS]

  fact that everything was like [TS]

  Notification Center was weird and they [TS]

  have another magazine or save searches [TS]

  and speaking of the photo stuff a lot of [TS]

  the features that we're going to talk [TS]

  about in the context of iOS I think it's [TS]

  pretty clear now that they're also [TS]

  available on the mac like the photos in [TS]

  the deep learning in the blah blah a lot [TS]

  of those like oh and also on photos on [TS]

  the mac which is great like but they [TS]

  just didn't demoed in the context of mac [TS]

  you know backpack is ryan was all these [TS]

  features have been demo'd like it here [TS]

  is you know face detection for example [TS]

  shown in iphoto it would be shown on the [TS]

  mac and iphoto all the stuff here with [TS]

  face detection stuff i assume is all the [TS]

  better all be of help on the mac [TS]

  but they didn't demo in that context so [TS]

  surely Syria will fit in with that but [TS]

  really it seemed like the the new [TS]

  impressive features a series were mostly [TS]

  reserved to be shown in connection with [TS]

  iOS i'm assuming some of them are on the [TS]

  mac but fact the series exist in the mac [TS]

  is good the UI and having stuff in [TS]

  Notification Center maybe not so good [TS]

  and the my hope unification of spotlight [TS]

  in Syria doesn't seem to be in the cards [TS]

  they still seem to be separate things [TS]

  which seems so it to me and I do kind of [TS]

  like it kind of bothers me how [TS]

  Notification Center is kind of like the [TS]

  junk drawer on OS 10 like where they [TS]

  show new features that like that most of [TS]

  which come from iOS then the way to do [TS]

  it that did they do that just by like [TS]

  having this iOS like drawer guys like an [TS]

  iOS simulator simulator is highly [TS]

  enigmatic mystery because he asked any [TS]

  mode like I do wish there was like a [TS]

  little bit you know maybe more more [TS]

  native seeming or more you know more [TS]

  integrated you know integration of these [TS]

  features but you know i guess you well [TS]

  that will work itself out over time as [TS]

  they have a you know works redesigned as [TS]

  they say and features you use but yeah [TS]

  overall it looks pretty cool i do think [TS]

  though I i will go back and say like I [TS]

  think that there i think the room for [TS]

  Syria to have any kind of personality or [TS]

  wit I think that's over because that [TS]

  gets all first of all that it doesn't [TS]

  translate well a lot of different [TS]

  cultures you people you want how that [TS]

  when you're conversing with it in a [TS]

  funny way not what now when you started [TS]

  doing a task i think i think it gets old [TS]

  after like five seconds and then and [TS]

  once you're past that point like you [TS]

  don't want to hear you don't want your [TS]

  your computer to be witty like when you [TS]

  type in command the command line you get [TS]

  witty responses from bosch something [TS]

  else but i think i like it occasionally [TS]

  but the problem is there's no way to [TS]

  tell when I'm going to receive it and [TS]

  think oh that's that's really cute and [TS]

  when i'm going to see your filin is [TS]

  stylin like come on really [TS]

  but they don't have that are the [TS]

  personalization stuff down like that the [TS]

  whole thing we're talking about Google [TS]

  is like it should learn my preferences [TS]

  if you love the thing to be funny that [TS]

  for those people should be funny for the [TS]

  people don't like the funny it should [TS]

  learn that that doesn't want them you [TS]

  know that that is not even in the cards [TS]

  in terms of of personalized interaction [TS]

  with Syria that it will learn from what [TS]

  you do and how you interact with it what [TS]

  it is you like [TS]

  and don't like and that they need to get [TS]

  on that it also like its kind of no good [TS]

  if it's being funny and also not doing [TS]

  what you want to do that's the worst [TS]

  like then you really hate it you're like [TS]

  you why you being funny you just failed [TS]

  when i asked you guys do you like it [TS]

  just doesn't interest notice there are [TS]

  some websites i found for why are you [TS]

  being funny [TS]

  hey what happened exactly I can search [TS]

  the web for that if you'd like I mean [TS]

  yes seriously [TS]

  yeah like it has to like I just think [TS]

  they're the chances of that not being [TS]

  annoying are so low the head they should [TS]

  just got to get cancer got abs and [TS]

  windows windows and tabs [TS]

  I don't know we've got a bunch of things [TS]

  actually so going back the unlocking the [TS]

  mac with walks watch proximity really [TS]

  dig it or toucha touch ID on the [TS]

  keyboard of your Mac just saying yeah [TS]

  maybe you never know i really dig the [TS]

  proximity thing what I want to see [TS]

  though is how is corporate IT and like [TS]

  that sort of now but i suspect that [TS]

  anyone who has a job that has more than [TS]

  just a few people at it will probably [TS]

  have the kibosh put on that immediately [TS]

  or kibosh however you pronounce yeah [TS]

  today I got a lot of flack about that [TS]

  honest question like do companies and [TS]

  have that kind of strict security [TS]

  requirement often use max yeah i mean so [TS]

  my company issued me a 15-inch macbook [TS]

  pro issues a lot of developers 15-inch [TS]

  macbook pros and the VPN software we use [TS]

  which is checkpoint VPN also includes a [TS]

  non device firewall that prevents all [TS]

  sorts of crap like airdrop why is [TS]

  airdrop filtered by my butt by my own [TS]

  advice and it doesn't have to be a [TS]

  secure company as soon as you have an IT [TS]

  department makes at all that stuff that [TS]

  exam so so I you know I don't run VPN on [TS]

  this computer unless i actually like [TS]

  it's not even installed unless I need to [TS]

  do something for work involving the VPN [TS]

  when I will and I will install it do my [TS]

  work and uninstall VPN because it's that [TS]

  much for nightmare but anyway I really [TS]

  like the idea of unlocking them at the [TS]

  watch by proximity really dig it [TS]

  universal clipboard i love this this [TS]

  looks amazing universal clipper looks [TS]

  like a good idea but as someone who uses [TS]

  the clipboard to store lots of crap i [TS]

  saw it as a potential for data loss [TS]

  where some until I get into the right [TS]

  mindset i don't have the idea that [TS]

  copying something in my phone will [TS]

  squish what's on my mac not use a [TS]

  clipboard history things are really [TS]

  squished will just push it down but it's [TS]

  still weird for regular people think [TS]

  we'll be fine [TS]

  if it works well historically continuity [TS]

  has been weird and flaky and if this is [TS]

  built on top of continuity I don't know [TS]

  but many third-party applications have [TS]

  proven that this is something people [TS]

  want the model to copy on their iOS [TS]

  device and paste on the mac i find [TS]

  myself about to try to do it before i [TS]

  realized that i don't have any of those [TS]

  apps installed 15 it won't work [TS]

  um like continuity if this works I will [TS]

  come to rely on but if it's at all flaky [TS]

  i will just go back to pretending it [TS]

  doesn't exist [TS]

  yeah yeah I completely agree with you [TS]

  i'm really looking forward to though it [TS]

  looks super impressive to me I still [TS]

  missed a spot from way back in the day [TS]

  I'm hopeful that it works well there are [TS]

  a few things that Apple is done today [TS]

  make me think they're really really [TS]

  going all in on all in iCloud which is [TS]

  bold [TS]

  I mean some things that our server side [TS]

  with apple like messages seemed to work [TS]

  pretty well generally speaking and the [TS]

  cloudkit based things that Apple's don't [TS]

  like notes for example seem to be [TS]

  working well generally speaking but I am [TS]

  I am very scared about having this all [TS]

  rely on some sort of server so i'm [TS]

  assuming maybe not maybe it's only local [TS]

  but I'm assuming some server side thing [TS]

  on Apple's well now the the one I'm [TS]

  thinking of my tree developments that [TS]

  I'm scared hold me was the disc [TS]

  optimization like the idea is good that [TS]

  people run out of space in the maknae [TS]

  have no idea what the hell to do about [TS]

  it and apple can tell you more space in [TS]

  their iCloud Drive thing if they know [TS]

  they'll transparently take your files [TS]

  and and take the ones you haven't used [TS]

  in a while push them up to the cloud and [TS]

  free up the space and it will all be [TS]

  transparent to you and you'll save a lot [TS]

  of room on your mac and like this is [TS]

  basically automated cleaning that people [TS]

  don't do manually which is all great [TS]

  like I'm all for this feature concept [TS]

  wise and implementation was especially [TS]

  if it's entirely transparent or well not [TS]

  entirely transparent you would still [TS]

  want some way for people to know the [TS]

  dismal get pushed up to the cloud lots [TS]

  of people have expressed the idea i want [TS]

  to be able to tell that it shouldn't [TS]

  push these files up to the cloud [TS]

  I don't know like that there are lots of [TS]

  pitfalls in terms of the implementation [TS]

  of this but the real one is if it [TS]

  doesn't work like reliably all the time [TS]

  or at least as reliably as Dropbox then [TS]

  then is just like a giant potential data [TS]

  loss button or you can turn this on an [TS]

  Apple will selectively hose certain ones [TS]

  your files transparently in the [TS]

  background without you knowing and with [TS]

  new with no way for you to fix it so [TS]

  this is a feature that I look at and say [TS]

  I'm never turning I'm terrified of this [TS]

  feature based on my past history of [TS]

  using iCloud Drive and the complete [TS]

  under bug ability of it and the non [TS]

  flexibility other whereas something like [TS]

  Dropbox focused [TS]

  it's a single folder you can have [TS]

  selective sink their badges on all the [TS]

  icons to an official API they support i [TS]

  know when things are saying I know when [TS]

  they're not i can I can you know I have [TS]

  a web interface to see like its version [TS]

  of truth like all the tools available to [TS]

  dropbox even though they're you know [TS]

  fidgety or whatever don't seem to be [TS]

  available miss and historically speaking [TS]

  apple has not been as good and reliable [TS]

  as Dropbox and other things about this [TS]

  so this feature really scares me [TS]

  especially since it looks so attractive [TS]

  to people who are novices and just like [TS]

  oh yes please take care of my storage [TS]

  for me [TS]

  yeah if they turn that on and it just [TS]

  hoses everything that's going to be a [TS]

  bad experience how you even recover [TS]

  someone from that I know this is maybe I [TS]

  shouldn't be so pessimistic about this [TS]

  like implementation why is it seems like [TS]

  it's a good idea but there are so many [TS]

  places that from user interface to like [TS]

  reliability to performance where it just [TS]

  seems terrifying to me [TS]

  yeah i mean like you know like an [TS]

  interesting thought experiment where I [TS]

  think would be you know if if dropbox [TS]

  offered this exact same feature would [TS]

  you enable like OS why not just like [TS]

  yeah it's dropbox folder yeah did you [TS]

  enable i don't think i enabled for [TS]

  dropbox i don't think i would either end [TS]

  and dropbox I trust way more than [TS]

  thinking a cloud drive like it seems [TS]

  like a good idea but I think they're [TS]

  better solutions to this problem which [TS]

  we'll get to in a little bit of the tap [TS]

  the tabs and windows thing that seems [TS]

  like they're just like scraping the [TS]

  bottom of the barrel like oh we added [TS]

  tabs the most things you know we just [TS]

  make this an official API that you get [TS]

  for free to use any document is easy to [TS]

  implement you can just mixed windows [TS]

  together with tabs lots of applications [TS]

  have tabs it's nice to have a unified [TS]

  interface is a recognition that tabs are [TS]

  as common as buttons and sheets and text [TS]

  input field and combo boxes and all the [TS]

  other controls they have instead of [TS]

  having to roll your own tabs here is a [TS]

  standard control for you know not tabs [TS]

  as in the old style one where you switch [TS]

  your different like what they call it [TS]

  the segmented control now just looking [TS]

  at your actual fact abs back in the day [TS]

  but web browsers have to know each tab [TS]

  is actually entirely [TS]

  no you can tear them out and combine [TS]

  them it's nice to see that the system [TS]

  level feature they're kind of boring [TS]

  they look like Safari tabs and I'm not [TS]

  sure safari tabs the best information of [TS]

  tabs but it's a nice idea but I think [TS]

  you get it for free of your NS documents [TS]

  of class yeah he tells what I think so I [TS]

  mean and I think that's great you know [TS]

  as as a user of rs.10 mean I'm not [TS]

  really a Mac Developer but you know as a [TS]

  user of OS 10 i think that's gonna be [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  yep picture-in-picture not a problem i [TS]

  feel needs solving but always hungry [TS]

  I mean yeah like for people to use full [TS]

  screen is totally a problem solving this [TS]

  full screen is like I would like to be [TS]

  falsely and that's how I work i swipe on [TS]

  my pad from side to side but sometimes i [TS]

  also want to keep my eye on the game i [TS]

  wish they had more than one picture in [TS]

  picture so you could stack them up [TS]

  of course you want more windows nothing [TS]

  haha you got it you got a 5k imac you [TS]

  can have four games like they should be [TS]

  like Tyler the for football games from a [TS]

  the ESPN yeah right [TS]

  really I i think it would be it will be [TS]

  nice because like so often i want to [TS]

  have like a video going from usually to [TS]

  youtube or in some occasions vimeo [TS]

  usually youtube so i have this video [TS]

  going and like I want to move it to the [TS]

  side of the screen so I can do something [TS]

  else at the same time or so i can watch [TS]

  another window and you have to have the [TS]

  you know it you know if you wanna do [TS]

  that now with before picture in picture [TS]

  on the Mac you have to have the entire [TS]

  browser Chrome around that showing some [TS]

  wear and kind of move the window in such [TS]

  a way that you like you know you have it [TS]

  off screen it's kind of its kind of [TS]

  clunky now so this would be nice for [TS]

  that too now that didn't think about the [TS]

  full screen stuff that's a that's a very [TS]

  good point let's see what else they do [TS]

  the messages improvements which we'll [TS]

  talk about in a minute comes to the mac [TS]

  as well [TS]

  I'm not most all Apple pay for the web [TS]

  which is a kind of exciting and I don't [TS]

  know i think that was most everything [TS]

  that big like flagship features seem to [TS]

  be Syria which is similarly solving a [TS]

  problem i don't think i have but that [TS]

  that really deep contextual search does [TS]

  sound pretty interesting and I am [TS]

  curious to try that [TS]

  so even though they didn't announce it [TS]

  at this segment this is the bar we talk [TS]

  about the new file system because it was [TS]

  only available on the mac right now [TS]

  it was not it was not announced the [TS]

  keynote I found out about it after [TS]

  walking outside of the keynote when [TS]

  everybody else found that you know the [TS]

  updated WT sessions to show the secret [TS]

  ones and section 701 was the one about [TS]

  the new file system they never found the [TS]

  developer documentation online didn't [TS]

  even get as far as I'm aware and note in [TS]

  one of the little word clouds and that's [TS]

  mostly because even though there's going [TS]

  to be sessions on this and this [TS]

  technical documentation and it was [TS]

  announced in the state of the union [TS]

  this is not a feature around the [TS]

  operating systems beta is that they [TS]

  shipped and it's not going to be a [TS]

  feature of any the operating systems [TS]

  that that they ship in final acceptance [TS]

  experimental form the new opera the new [TS]

  file system will be for 2017 because as [TS]

  we all know 2017 is the year the file [TS]

  system but they announced that is it now [TS]

  and they're getting people working on it [TS]

  now [TS]

  what the hell's the name of it it's got [TS]

  a terrible day pfft it's called a pia [TS]

  apfsds stands for Apple the P stands [TS]

  full stands for pole i guess i don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  PU ll i don't know it's like Apple like [TS]

  a ship PFS PFS is andrew filesystem and [TS]

  ifs probably also anyway it's got a name [TS]

  it's called a PFS it is only available [TS]

  on the mac and you can do a limited [TS]

  number of things that now you go so far [TS]

  you will be on the platform read and [TS]

  write you can't boot off of it now has [TS]

  all sorts of limitations all which I [TS]

  assume ur because like it's not done yet [TS]

  right [TS]

  and so this is how they're sort of [TS]

  testing the waters with it and letting [TS]

  people play with it [TS]

  I mean they're also kinda like saving [TS]

  people from themselves here like you [TS]

  know it's not bootable and you can't [TS]

  time machine within stuff because they [TS]

  really don't want you to be installing a [TS]

  beta file system on your main drive and [TS]

  get with your only copy computed and you [TS]

  know people would do that if they didn't [TS]

  have these restrictions [TS]

  yeah and it has [TS]

  a lot of interesting features almost all [TS]

  the ones i would expect it to have more [TS]

  than that more than I had hoped because [TS]

  i had heard things that made me think it [TS]

  was gonna have too much force it's flash [TS]

  only yeah which we expected and that's [TS]

  great because it means they can optimize [TS]

  for that case it has cloning files which [TS]

  is you would think it's just not just [TS]

  like hard links to files but it's not [TS]

  because they're copy-on-write so you can [TS]

  basically duplicate file in more or less [TS]

  instantaneously and they will diverge [TS]

  slowly are part of that is the same [TS]

  underlying technology i'm assuming the [TS]

  unit for snapshots which means you can [TS]

  take a point I'm snapshot of the entire [TS]

  file system you can I think in clone [TS]

  entire file system i would assume you [TS]

  can revert to a snapshot which they said [TS]

  it's great for flashlights classrooms [TS]

  where they can just you know have the [TS]

  initial state and let the kids use [TS]

  introverted it's also great for apple [TS]

  stores i'm sure they're all of it where [TS]

  they can at the end of the day revert [TS]

  all the demo devices to their previous [TS]

  state if you are a backup program having [TS]

  a point I'm snapshot to work out which [TS]

  is great and you know the fact that [TS]

  doesn't work with time machine it's [TS]

  because the new version of time machines [TS]

  can take advantage of all these features [TS]

  and be a million times better than used [TS]

  to being it supports extended attributes [TS]

  because it has two and this this Apple [TS]

  documentation will put a link in the [TS]

  show notes it basically goes through [TS]

  like here's why hfs+ sucks and not so [TS]

  many words and it goes through all the [TS]

  things like oh hm s+ could do things [TS]

  where your thing was inconsistent on [TS]

  disk and has no atomic operations and [TS]

  things wouldn't be committed so that [TS]

  something happened at this point you [TS]

  think you could corrupted they tried to [TS]

  be nice about it but yeah and the [TS]

  session description 471 is we're gonna [TS]

  tell you why this file system is better [TS]

  than hfs+ which is shooting fish in a [TS]

  barrel but it's better fast directory [TS]

  sizing never try to get the size of a [TS]

  big folder and it is calculating and [TS]

  everything like they have a way to that [TS]

  you know atomic operations limited [TS]

  atomic operations [TS]

  this is all great stuff out being able [TS]

  to make containers and put multiple [TS]

  lines on the same container and having [TS]

  them all see that side so I can set of [TS]

  partitioning so you have a hundred gigs [TS]

  you can put three volumes 100 gigs and [TS]

  they all look like they're hundred gigs [TS]

  are not designed hundreds of the space [TS]

  and they're going to fight for it but [TS]

  there's no like only divide the hundred [TS]

  big partition up into you know 50 50 or [TS]

  33 3333 it's just that's not how this [TS]

  file system works its they could all [TS]

  share the space and then they will [TS]

  slowly accumulate into the space it [TS]

  supports raid 10 and [TS]

  just you know a concatenated volumes and [TS]

  jbod where you just take a bunch of [TS]

  disks and make one larger volume out of [TS]

  it [TS]

  the only real thing is missing and I [TS]

  don't think it's something they can't [TS]

  add later I hope is any facility for [TS]

  data integrity at the file level to [TS]

  account for bit rot so you have a bunch [TS]

  of important files like your family [TS]

  photos and you keep them around and keep [TS]

  popping from this disc how do you know [TS]

  that you did flip errors aren't solely [TS]

  corrupting your files [TS]

  the answer is for now at the file system [TS]

  level you still don't but this seems [TS]

  like a thoroughly modern file system and [TS]

  the fact that feature doesn't exist now [TS]

  I don't mind too much because all the [TS]

  other things are doing it's like that [TS]

  they're saying all the right things ok [TS]

  at everything in this documentation says [TS]

  modern sleek file system that's going to [TS]

  enable UI features that are better will [TS]

  make time machine better make backup [TS]

  apps better will make it easier to roll [TS]

  back to known good states like so many [TS]

  nice friendly features can be built on [TS]

  top of this file system this is what the [TS]

  world is waiting for for a really long [TS]

  time still upset there's no data [TS]

  integrity but because it's nomas so [TS]

  modern [TS]

  I see no reason they can't add that [TS]

  later for systems that can support the [TS]

  cpu CPU overhead that's going to add so [TS]

  as far as you can tell so far so good [TS]

  two thumbs up [TS]

  yes now i like it i'm happy the name is [TS]

  stupid but you know then name is stupid [TS]

  and no dead integrity which is which is [TS]

  again it's not a small thing like I [TS]

  talked about this past enemies like one [TS]

  of the biggest reasons i want a new file [TS]

  system all the other reasons are still [TS]

  super important and it's just so great [TS]

  to see apple finally moving on and like [TS]

  Barbara said this is all platforms from [TS]

  the watch all the way up to the mac pro [TS]

  they never update that is the whole the [TS]

  whole line they made a file system for [TS]

  the future that spans their entire [TS]

  product line and which is exactly what [TS]

  you could hope for and like this is just [TS]

  the first version look at all the crap [TS]

  they had hfs+ and hid in there all [TS]

  documentation like we don't have your [TS]

  NHS plus extended attributes were [TS]

  attacked on wasn't that crappy well here [TS]

  is not tacked-on we thought of it from [TS]

  the beginning it's a super important [TS]

  feature good job guys [TS]

  so I'm I'm excited I'm happy I'm [TS]

  optimistic I'm ready for 2017 real-time [TS]

  followed by the way a PFS is optimized [TS]

  for flash / SSD storage and can be used [TS]

  with to do with traditional hard disk [TS]

  drives so that's interesting that's I'm [TS]

  kind of surprised that they can even [TS]

  call [TS]

  did that I just that because you can [TS]

  make like in the current uh command line [TS]

  tools you can make like an image i got a [TS]

  volume container image like a disk image [TS]

  of it i am assuming people here with it [TS]

  oh and one thing we didn't touch on as [TS]

  one of the current limitations is [TS]

  case-sensitive only i'm not quite sure [TS]

  what they'll do their because a lot of [TS]

  the unicode normalization and case [TS]

  folding comparison crap and hfs+ is a [TS]

  reason a lot of people hated because [TS]

  it's complicated and doesn't do what [TS]

  people expect and it's kind of a [TS]

  non-deterministic but it's it's [TS]

  complicated know what exactly is going [TS]

  to do in terms of this is like when you [TS]

  named files what what is the filename [TS]

  and hfs+ really complicated rules about [TS]

  what a file name is case sensitive or [TS]

  insensitive [TS]

  this is case-sensitive only for now i'm [TS]

  assuming they will implement case [TS]

  insensitivity but it's still I think an [TS]

  open question will the implant case in [TS]

  sensitivity in the same weird way that [TS]

  is implemented hfs+ and by the way each [TS]

  of us on iOS is has always been case [TS]

  sensitive [TS]

  I think so for and probably for [TS]

  performance and simplicity reasons [TS]

  yeah like it I mean I'm no one sees the [TS]

  processing on the phone so it's fine but [TS]

  yea case-sensitive is simpler to [TS]

  implement and if they do way with the [TS]

  filename normalization stuff will put [TS]

  some show about links for unicode [TS]

  organization we don't have time to [TS]

  explain now but if they do away with [TS]

  that and just make it a giant bag of [TS]

  bytes and leave it up to the OS that [TS]

  would be one easy enough solution or if [TS]

  they come up with a more streamlined [TS]

  modern way to do their case folding for [TS]

  the case insensitive things and and [TS]

  handle that I don't know I not quite [TS]

  sure what to do but a lot of the scary [TS]

  limitations are just because this isn't [TS]

  done yet and this is only sort of a a [TS]

  toy for people to play with on the mac [TS]

  but it will be rolling out everywhere [TS]

  next year so I have one other important [TS]

  questions so I i do not have to get to [TS]

  WTC I'm going two layers i was sitting [TS]

  in my hotel room streaming both the [TS]

  keynote and studying with a handful of [TS]

  other people and let's say the Union it [TS]

  happened that almost everyone in the [TS]

  room was a developer and today the Union [TS]

  they said okay it's time to talk about [TS]

  the new file system and literally [TS]

  everyone in the room of which there were [TS]

  like six of us ever all of them verbally [TS]

  the same moment such thing as I'm [TS]

  sitting there watching the the talk [TS]

  people are on Twitter saying oh my god [TS]

  there was a ding and I thought that I [TS]

  heard you I heard you in your room right [TS]

  and I thought that's funny huh [TS]

  and and then I realized no no these [TS]

  people are not being funny there there [TS]

  was a day is that a truth is that true [TS]

  was there a ding in the room there was a [TS]

  day in the room did it come from PA no [TS]

  interesting but there was a ding there [TS]

  was a ding in the room next up let's [TS]

  talk about filesystems alright that's [TS]

  magnificent and i am very impressed [TS]

  so I just want to put that out there [TS]

  that someone had the wherewithal to [TS]

  either simulate or bring an actual bell [TS]

  with which to ding when when it was time [TS]

  to talk about the file system to the [TS]

  personal estate here could you tell that [TS]

  that that's going to come out of the [TS]

  video first of all and second of all [TS]

  it's a big place [TS]

  I think the only people who heard it [TS]

  with people who are in the proximity of [TS]

  the day I don't know some people on [TS]

  Twitter were saying they were like [TS]

  second row or something well let's sort [TS]

  of this way the reaction in the room [TS]

  shows that some people know what the [TS]

  thing was about other people didn't know [TS]

  and didn't care but that's fair that but [TS]

  did you notice to the person to the the [TS]

  person speaking at the time did they [TS]

  even notice the powers now I don't that [TS]

  I don't think so anyway I just want to [TS]

  say for the record I did not make the [TS]

  ding yeah well god knows i didn't [TS]

  because I was married [TS]

  well somebody spent eight dollars very [TS]

  well to make that ding approximately [TS]

  when we start again I'm just think i [TS]

  would never an interrupter disrupt a [TS]

  live presentation by apple in that way [TS]

  no of course not you wouldn't I mean you [TS]

  know what I would not do that fair [TS]

  enough uh anything else on macros oh we [TS]

  forgot one more mac OS it doesn't [TS]

  support my mac yes right there haha John [TS]

  has to get a new mac pro to run the new [TS]

  l-system it's amazingly they stopped [TS]

  supporting my mac and i wondered why and [TS]

  asked Marco he came up with what I think [TS]

  is the actual answer pretty much on the [TS]

  spot [TS]

  why won't they support the 2008 macro [TS]

  which is my mouth they support the 2009 [TS]

  mac pro their 64-bit x86 machines there [TS]

  plenty fast it's not like my machine is [TS]

  too slow to run Mac OS Sierra what's the [TS]

  deal why is my mac not supported and [TS]

  then tomorrow came up with and then [TS]

  until I hear someone say otherwise [TS]

  sounds like the answer is my cpu doesn't [TS]

  have the Intel like decryption focused [TS]

  instructions i figured with the [TS]

  colleagues at apx or something [TS]

  I i don't know i forgot it's like like [TS]

  the hardware aes acceleration stuff like [TS]

  like the Intel and instructions to the [TS]

  CPUs somewhere around that time and I [TS]

  think you fall on the wrong side of that [TS]

  that right and so the lot of the arm you [TS]

  know the arm system-on-chips have these [TS]

  instructions a dick modern x86 CPUs have [TS]

  these instructions encryption by the way [TS]

  to mention this for the new Apple [TS]

  filesystem encryption is built in both [TS]

  thought full volume encryption and also [TS]

  profile encryption like iOS users but [TS]

  this is built into the file system [TS]

  instead of built on top of it like you [TS]

  can totally tell this is a filesystem [TS]

  made for apples devices these are [TS]

  exactly the features they need that they [TS]

  previously able to implement on top of [TS]

  the fossils and now they're built into [TS]

  it you can run it without encryption how [TS]

  it requires encryption but for the sake [TS]

  of simplicity of implementation they [TS]

  basically said we're not going to put [TS]

  like a conditional code and have a pepe [TS]

  have a code paths that doesn't use we're [TS]

  not going to like disabled encryption on [TS]

  2008 max and we're not going to save you [TS]

  do the criminal do a second coat that [TS]

  doesn't use those instructors said fine [TS]

  just not support i mean it's an [TS]

  eight-year-old computer at this point [TS]

  totally understandable luckily i have [TS]

  2009 macro at work so i'll be ok there [TS]

  will be able to use it but yeah I [TS]

  stopped supporting my mac with the [TS]

  current version of the mac operating [TS]

  system so my my 2008 mac pro was able to [TS]

  run every version of mac OS 10 OS 10 [TS]

  more or less but not like it's not every [TS]

  person's 10-0 didn't have a x86 version [TS]

  yeah I don't think you could run any of [TS]

  them until what ten yeah shell 10 until [TS]

  the x86 transition anyway the point is [TS]

  my mac is not supported and they did not [TS]

  release new mac for me to buy so we'll [TS]

  keep watching on that front [TS]

  oh god I don't even want to think about [TS]

  so what do you want to do like you know [TS]

  this fall and it becomes the new version [TS]

  you just never going to have the new [TS]

  version OS time going to install it at [TS]

  work and I'm not gonna install it at [TS]

  home and we'll see how long that it that [TS]

  remains terrible [TS]

  wow I mean by that point they could have [TS]

  announced new macro that i order I don't [TS]

  know but it's not it's not an issue that [TS]

  I have to deal with for a couple months [TS]

  yet i love that this is like this is [TS]

  this is like the the roller coaster of [TS]

  Syracuse keynotes it's like you know you [TS]

  have like amazing filesystem news like [TS]

  it that you know no one expected a new [TS]

  file system to ever happen just like us [TS]

  with came at like so i said you okay [TS]

  yeah but no one else like you know [TS]

  you've been waiting for this for like [TS]

  forever [TS]

  it finally happened but also there's [TS]

  always a party yeah [TS]

  also going to force you to finally [TS]

  upgrade your back for that's not bad use [TS]

  that that's good news all they're gonna [TS]

  do is make me mad like that's fine like [TS]

  there again I don't think there's [TS]

  there's a perfectly valid decision to [TS]

  not support an eight-year-old computer [TS]

  like that but totally like it's fine i'm [TS]

  i'm i'm not upset about that at all [TS]

  I it will be handled know it's kind of [TS]

  it's kind of amazing it made it this far [TS]

  yeah so leaving aside hardware gripes [TS]

  what's the next bit of low-hanging fruit [TS]

  the file system has been conquered [TS]

  Copeland's been conquered or preventing [TS]

  home 2010 with Swift has been conferred [TS]

  conquered what's the next bit of [TS]

  low-hanging fruit that you're really [TS]

  really waiting for you fix the finder [TS]

  I mean especially oh no don't don't get [TS]

  us to come on let you know what you're [TS]

  saying i gotta find the one that finally [TS]

  I want to kind of gave up on because it [TS]

  becomes less and less relevant to fix it [TS]

  and you know so if they can make it [TS]

  irrelevant it's fine and there are still [TS]

  many things that I wish they could fix [TS]

  about it at the whole show we can talk [TS]

  about it some other time [TS]

  that's I mean that's the big one from [TS]

  way back when but if I have forced to [TS]

  come up with an entirely new list like [TS]

  you know I can still great but complain [TS]

  about services forever like I'm some [TS]

  work i will not run out of things to [TS]

  complain about it before [TS]

  oh no I don't run out of things to [TS]

  complain about but I am curious to hear [TS]

  what your top four complaints are these [TS]

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  but automatic calm / ATP thank you for [TS]

  your support [TS]

  automatic iOS 10 it's a thing I always [TS]

  xkc oh my bad iOS accent that's that's [TS]

  right it's thing it looks good it [TS]

  actually looks different it has about [TS]

  this earlier yet it like they they [TS]

  refresh the design like a like a [TS]

  half-step yes i'll put like it's not [TS]

  like a total redesign the system but [TS]

  it's like a point five like the of the [TS]

  ios7 you know style design which I like [TS]

  they they have made many of the fonts a [TS]

  little bit heavier weight [TS]

  they've introduced into like super-heavy [TS]

  bold for San Francisco that's in use in [TS]

  in the news app in music to really like [TS]

  massively draw attention to headline [TS]

  which i don't think i like but we'll see [TS]

  we'll see in use but you know overall [TS]

  around the system there's like you know [TS]

  little improvements to the text to make [TS]

  it a little bit thick a little bit heavy [TS]

  little bit more bowl to mix makes it [TS]

  easier to read for a lot of people [TS]

  moving on from text though the big [TS]

  change is they've introduced buttons [TS]

  that like button which is awesome land [TS]

  and windows look like Windows like your [TS]

  little with its yeah everything's like [TS]

  Natalie's little rounded window like [TS]

  things which I like this new style a lot [TS]

  you know I've I like this design i like [TS]

  that Apple's moving it forward I think [TS]

  this will prove to be more usable then [TS]

  like the pure ios7 looks because things [TS]

  are going to have shapes again and [TS]

  texas started to become more legible and [TS]

  this is all good stuff so I i think you [TS]

  know i have not actually used the beta [TS]

  yet we will see how this is in practice [TS]

  but tentatively I give the design [TS]

  improvements whatever comes up that i [TS]

  can give ya lock the lock screen changes [TS]

  in particular likey its Apple finally [TS]

  not giving up on but thinking better of [TS]

  like their attempt they always wanted to [TS]

  say you can have an arbitrary image and [TS]

  we will display text on top of it in a [TS]

  minimal way there remains readable it's [TS]

  really hard to do that without deciding [TS]

  having an algorithm kind of like their [TS]

  itunes like a lot more thing like should [TS]

  be dark in the background noise like [TS]

  text should be light in the background [TS]

  use dark text and what about they love [TS]

  stuff showing through and like it was [TS]

  all about usability would say use an [TS]

  opaque white background with dark text [TS]

  on top of it that's easy to read like [TS]

  they don't want to do that so they're [TS]

  creeping up on it so they said no we [TS]

  won't [TS]

  we're not even trying to mess with your [TS]

  background anymore we're going to put [TS]

  these white essentially windows on top [TS]

  of it or not [TS]

  opaque white you can still see stuff the [TS]

  room with the whole vibrancy like but [TS]

  it's just it's just more readable it's [TS]

  clear what the units are it's clear [TS]

  where they begin and end the text on [TS]

  them is easier to read because it is [TS]

  dark text on a white background always [TS]

  it doesn't depend on the thing that's [TS]

  behind it and those are all good [TS]

  decisions especially if they're going to [TS]

  add functionality that screen which they [TS]

  are to make it a more straightforward [TS]

  you I and to give up on the dream of it [TS]

  being like this beautiful text that is [TS]

  laced onto your image like minimally as [TS]

  a Victor's been sprinkled there with [TS]

  Stardust and in practice that what that [TS]

  translates to is hard three can't tell [TS]

  what the hell's going on [TS]

  yep the it [TS]

  yep the it [TS]

  lock screen now has widgets on it and [TS]

  they actually literally use the word [TS]

  widgets which I thought was a little [TS]

  surprising I it's interesting that what [TS]

  they basically did was they took what [TS]

  used to be your today view widget or [TS]

  notification center with you know [TS]

  whatever you call those things and [TS]

  they're not kind of sticking those in [TS]

  more places which like you know I never [TS]

  thought it was worth overcast having a [TS]

  two-day view widget because there's no [TS]

  one's going into the today we find out [TS]

  what's up with overcast today where [TS]

  exactly like it's not it doesn't didn't [TS]

  think it was that kind of app and I [TS]

  personally never used today widgets [TS]

  because I don't look at my today view so [TS]

  you know it but now they're putting [TS]

  those now in the lock screen they're [TS]

  putting those on 3d touch when you [TS]

  preview a nap so now this is going to [TS]

  give way more apps a big reason to have [TS]

  Notification Center winner to have these [TS]

  witches you know now it's no longer [TS]

  notification center with international [TS]

  law 280 now it's just your apps widget [TS]

  and they can put those in more places [TS]

  and as both a developer and a user i'm [TS]

  looking forward to this sounds great [TS]

  they did a lot of stuff of the lock [TS]

  screen to make it so that you don't [TS]

  accidentally dismiss it with a touch [TS]

  thing I thought I saw someone tweet that [TS]

  maybe this is just the beta but instead [TS]

  of just placing your thumb over the [TS]

  touch ID to like to unlock it that you [TS]

  actually have to press the button in you [TS]

  can't just tap the touch ID that to get [TS]

  through that screen i believe that i [TS]

  believe that was ryan jones who said [TS]

  that I believe that's correct from [TS]

  whatever when it was kind of it's kind [TS]

  of unclear as to like you know what [TS]

  sequence of buttons you have to hit or [TS]

  not have to do that but that's roughly [TS]

  correct right and the whole thing where [TS]

  you don't touch anybody just raise it up [TS]

  the table and i will show you the lock [TS]

  screen because they want you to do more [TS]

  in the lock screen is going to be more [TS]

  information there hopefully you can [TS]

  customize it more and so they want a way [TS]

  to get to that without you actually [TS]

  unlocking it it's kind of weird that [TS]

  they have like designed out all the [TS]

  delays which are basically bad but the [TS]

  people would you know those delays had [TS]

  become part of the UI for people who [TS]

  would be dealing with their phones and [TS]

  they don't want to put the delays back [TS]

  in because unlocking your phone real [TS]

  fast when you want to pick it up [TS]

  actually use it as a great feature they [TS]

  still wanted to find a way to let you [TS]

  use your lock screen so hopefully we'll [TS]

  be able to develop new habits and [TS]

  hopefully the sort of raised feature and [TS]

  pressing the button will work itself out [TS]

  into a situation where you can get into [TS]

  your phone as fast as possible but never [TS]

  frustrated by accidentally getting into [TS]

  your phone and really you want to work [TS]

  with your new fancy lockscreen yeah [TS]

  and this is a this solves this raised to [TS]

  view or raised awake i think they call [TS]

  it it's also a problem that i actually [TS]

  don't have because I I'm really good at [TS]

  hitting the side button in order to see [TS]

  my notifications but i am the only [TS]

  person him or one of the only people i [TS]

  know that doesn't get annoyed by the way [TS]

  the new touch ID works and so this is [TS]

  clearly solving a problem for the [TS]

  overwhelming majority of people wear [TS]

  like you said they they mash down on the [TS]

  home button suddenly they're right [TS]

  through the lock screen and they didn't [TS]

  get to see any of the notifications that [TS]

  they wanted to see and I do that [TS]

  occasionally but generally speaking [TS]

  pretty good at avoiding it [TS]

  what was interesting though and as a [TS]

  potential security issue is you could [TS]

  interact with these widgets on the [TS]

  lockscreen a pretty pretty interesting [TS]

  like you could respond to a text message [TS]

  for example right on the lockscreen [TS]

  you're letting someone take your locked [TS]

  phone and respond as if they're you like [TS]

  I'm not quite sure right how this all [TS]

  works and you did not this what I'm [TS]

  about to describe was clearly not shown [TS]

  during the demo but what I would suspect [TS]

  is if you ever have your phone in its [TS]

  locked and you swipe up and go to the [TS]

  camera to take a picture and then you [TS]

  want to go to your old pictures he had [TS]

  taken previously in order to do or to [TS]

  send one in order to do that it has like [TS]

  an interstitial if you will saying ok [TS]

  enter your passcode or idea what have [TS]

  you in order to perform an action like [TS]

  that anything that's destructive or that [TS]

  involves something leaving the phone i [TS]

  would guess that the same sort of thing [TS]

  would happen here but without question [TS]

  that is not what they showed during the [TS]

  demo [TS]

  yeah and the same thing speaking of the [TS]

  widgets like of doing more stuff from [TS]

  the lock screen the same kind of [TS]

  situation present a problem presents [TS]

  itself there's like to make the [TS]

  lockscreen more useful you want people [TS]

  to be able to do more things but to do [TS]

  more things to show more information [TS]

  that shouldn't be on lockscreen I don't [TS]

  wanna yeah imagine you have these rich [TS]

  widgets they could show you all sorts of [TS]

  contextual information about your day [TS]

  and things that have happened to [TS]

  different applications do you want [TS]

  anyone else to see that when they raise [TS]

  your phone but that's why on the mac a [TS]

  lot of the sort of notification center [TS]

  stuff says hey [TS]

  should the show on the lock screen [TS]

  should not i'm sure the same things will [TS]

  be on iOS but it's it's a type of [TS]

  granularity even I have trouble deciding [TS]

  like going to reach individual app and [TS]

  saying do I want Sean lockscreen its [TS]

  kind of useful but then what if someone [TS]

  comes by my mac and sees a message my [TS]

  wife that's like floating in a corner in [TS]

  a box that I don't want to [TS]

  you know I don't know it's it's [TS]

  difficult privacy wise like I think what [TS]

  Apple is creeping up on slowly slowly [TS]

  slowly is a screen on your phone that is [TS]

  not a springboard that is not the big [TS]

  grid of icons that has a bunch of [TS]

  information that you can customize the [TS]

  third party apps can contribute to I [TS]

  don't think the lock screen is that [TS]

  screen [TS]

  I think that's another screen android [TS]

  users and tell me exactly what screen is [TS]

  like going to have real widgets that [TS]

  don't have to be the full width of the [TS]

  thing that you can customize and have [TS]

  sort of like a like a dashboard if you [TS]

  will for the phone that that you [TS]

  customized to contain all this [TS]

  information and that's not really the [TS]

  lock screen so i think they'll arrive at [TS]

  that eventually but they're not there [TS]

  yet and right now there is making [TS]

  lockscreen better than what i think is [TS]

  good [TS]

  yeah a couple other quick hits and then [TS]

  there's some other big ones maps looks [TS]

  improved the term better the [TS]

  turn-by-turn looked a lot nicer to me [TS]

  the traffic that instead of doing little [TS]

  dots it's like it's an actual highlight [TS]

  which looks better in zoom out without [TS]

  fighting with your goddamn phone right [TS]

  now how many times I thought with a home [TS]

  in like seven fingers on the screen [TS]

  stays zoom [TS]

  no I didn't see with our doors yeah I [TS]

  completely agree with you [TS]

  they also did a very cool things I think [TS]

  ways or has already done for years but [TS]

  if you're not about to make a turn the [TS]

  zoom wait way in and if you're not going [TS]

  to make a turn for a while it'll zoom [TS]

  way out which I really really like [TS]

  that's nice [TS]

  they also had some contextual stuff a [TS]

  lot of this a lot of today's [TS]

  announcements were about trying to infer [TS]

  to context for many of the operations [TS]

  are doing and it's not just wanted two [TS]

  maps and that actually brings me nicely [TS]

  to Syria improvements they touted a lot [TS]

  of different Syria improvements [TS]

  including a serie a p.i and one of the [TS]

  things that I thought was most [TS]

  interesting about the Serie A p I was [TS]

  that they said without saying that this [TS]

  is all natural language and kind of [TS]

  implied that unlike alexa which I've not [TS]

  used to be completely fair but I've [TS]

  understood to be and I think one of you [TS]

  guys actually said it to be very much [TS]

  like a command-line answer that [TS]

  exactly so it's not what series is not a [TS]

  command line series not just a command [TS]

  line where you have to do you know [TS]

  subject-verb action or whatever the PSAP [TS]

  it's more flexible and tax it except [TS]

  right and actually the state of the [TS]

  union when they go when [TS]

  went through the nuts-and-bolts about [TS]

  how that works from a developer [TS]

  perspective one of the things they said [TS]

  in so many words was hey listen this [TS]

  could happen [TS]

  the this same command that you're trying [TS]

  to perform could be verbalized in one of [TS]

  six different ways and that's on us to [TS]

  figure out into extract what the actuals [TS]

  if they had the different components of [TS]

  assyria command forget they are offhand [TS]

  but whatever those components are it's [TS]

  awesome allan appel to extract what [TS]

  those particular like the verb the [TS]

  subject the action whatever are and we [TS]

  will give that to you developers so that [TS]

  means it's on Apple to parse out how [TS]

  exactly is the user structures that [TS]

  sentence which assuming it works is how [TS]

  I think it should work but that's a big [TS]

  assumption that's what the intent system [TS]

  is about and that's why it's limited to [TS]

  certain kinds of applications i would [TS]

  imagine it's because serie determines [TS]

  the intent and of like what is this [TS]

  person trying to do and then creates a [TS]

  structured meshes message for that [TS]

  intended action so the intended action [TS]

  is some kind of messaging that's the one [TS]

  they showed like it's like there's a [TS]

  recipient there's the content of the [TS]

  message and maybe a few other bits and [TS]

  it gives the application that structured [TS]

  information the application is no idea [TS]

  what you said on you know you can get [TS]

  that information from the application [TS]

  but because it's an application says I [TS]

  handle you know if someone if the intent [TS]

  is to message somebody that's the thing [TS]

  that I can do so [TS]

  Siri will figure out you're trying to [TS]

  send a message you're trying to send [TS]

  this person you try to send it with this [TS]

  app and then will hand off to the app [TS]

  here is the information here's here's [TS]

  the users intent they want they want to [TS]

  talk to you we chat or whatever they [TS]

  want to send to this person and here's [TS]

  the message and that's why you have to [TS]

  have structured like the white can't be [TS]

  for all apps like oh I just want to make [TS]

  it happen if someone says I want my have [TS]

  to do that no it has to be one of the [TS]

  intense that they support i don't know [TS]

  how many different intensities important [TS]

  it's a limited set of like it like say [TS]

  five or six so it's right here so they [TS]

  announced that the following are [TS]

  supported in Serie kit messaging apps [TS]

  avoid calling payments ride booking [TS]

  photo search and workouts and that's it [TS]

  all only those scents and each one of [TS]

  those things has a structure of the [TS]

  message that the application has to be [TS]

  ready to handle and Cirie handles the [TS]

  i'll figure out what they said a bunch [TS]

  of crap and what they mean is I want you [TS]

  application to do this thing and it's [TS]

  one of the short list of supported [TS]

  things which is its limiting [TS]

  because you can't say oh I have had a [TS]

  game and I want people to say i want you [TS]

  know plz food all the blood are you know [TS]

  I challenge John a game but nobody would [TS]

  even like something within the world of [TS]

  you of your appt like you know up the [TS]

  change armor put on the good armor on [TS]

  character whatever like you know was in [TS]

  Destiny's would understand if you want [TS]

  to do this not gonna have integration [TS]

  with destiny but yeah like I imagined [TS]

  something that it only made sense in the [TS]

  realm of your game you can't support [TS]

  that because you have there in the [TS]

  series a p.i you have no no facility to [TS]

  to say what you want you know I want [TS]

  people to say this and I want this to [TS]

  happen that's not how it works at all so [TS]

  this system is much more flexible but [TS]

  also more limited and it allows people [TS]

  to add series support without knowing [TS]

  anything about how Syria works are [TS]

  carrying how it works or even carrying [TS]

  that they use Siri because an intent can [TS]

  be expressed by anything and intent can [TS]

  be expressed by hand signal by sending [TS]

  an email to yourself by putting text [TS]

  messages in by waving your arm like your [TS]

  application has no idea how the intent [TS]

  was expressed by the user is totally [TS]

  divorced from which i think is super [TS]

  smart but it's also going to mean that [TS]

  the rollout of series going to be [TS]

  limited and I think it's fine for it to [TS]

  be limited especially since the classes [TS]

  they chose are good common classes of [TS]

  applications [TS]

  I'm sure this will expand outward just [TS]

  like extension points have expanded [TS]

  outward for the thing to the places you [TS]

  can extend on iOS on the mac but it's I [TS]

  i think it's a very very clever API and [TS]

  it is better than let's just do the [TS]

  simplest thing which you say a bunch of [TS]

  stuff and you identified application and [TS]

  then we translate the text in hand off [TS]

  your apps that would have been a [TS]

  disaster [TS]

  yep couldn't agree more yeah i mean like [TS]

  the system as it stands now I I have [TS]

  kind of mixed feelings about it because [TS]

  you know they didn't basically give me [TS]

  anything to use for overcast because [TS]

  they didn't create or release one of [TS]

  these like intense structures that is [TS]

  play media item or control control media [TS]

  playback it was a comedian tent is a [TS]

  gimme like that's something they will I [TS]

  feel like they will do well it depends [TS]

  on why it's not there now if it's not [TS]

  there now because they just didn't get [TS]

  to it [TS]

  sure if it isn't there now because maybe [TS]

  they wanted to protect Apple music I [TS]

  hope that's not the reason I that there [TS]

  it is possible that the reason i hope [TS]

  that isn't it and knowing apple that [TS]

  probably isn't it [TS]

  no I mean that they would want to [TS]

  control like it was that was the case [TS]

  you'd be able to have to talk to Siri [TS]

  too [TS]

  control all media playing in any of the [TS]

  native media controllers right yeah I [TS]

  guess but yeah I don't know it so I'd [TS]

  say we'll see [TS]

  yes like right now you can say you know [TS]

  play this artist name and it just plays [TS]

  at music and that's one of the big [TS]

  reasons why people choose that music [TS]

  over time thinking like a video services [TS]

  like they're not competing with YouTube [TS]

  at this point but still have this don't [TS]

  know you know yeah I mean don't show me [TS]

  the latest whatever video on the [TS]

  whatever trial on youtube but they have [TS]

  an apple TV like they did at tu apple TV [TS]

  2 apple TV series we're now you can you [TS]

  know you [TS]

  youtube is part of that Apple TV's [TS]

  universal service but not in iOS and [TS]

  YouTube is on there as well anyway [TS]

  hopefully it's not a political reason [TS]

  but technologically speaking a media [TS]

  media playback intent or even like [TS]

  something i don't know did they have [TS]

  like an email and time getting that [TS]

  falls into the category message I think [TS]

  it's necessary means only for people [TS]

  like us it's not legal and kids are [TS]

  doing it anyway like this is promising [TS]

  theory finally has an API it seems like [TS]

  a reasonable good API that they spend [TS]

  out to New intense and by adding new [TS]

  attempts i don't think there's any [TS]

  particular complexity they add is just [TS]

  like the intense address categories not [TS]

  individual app so they didn't select [TS]

  partners any intent that they add if [TS]

  they make a media playback intent [TS]

  they're not making like an overcast [TS]

  intent or YouTube content they're going [TS]

  to make one that encompasses huge [TS]

  numbers of applications just like they [TS]

  have with like a the intense they have [TS]

  been out so I think that the possible [TS]

  number of useful intense in the world is [TS]

  like low hundreds you know right and [TS]

  that will cover thousands upon thousands [TS]

  upon thousands of apps [TS]

  yeah i mean overall i'm i'm very happy [TS]

  with how they implemented this API it [TS]

  seems like a very smart way to do it [TS]

  it is as you mentioned earlier like you [TS]

  know because it kind of abstract away [TS]

  dealing with the language and some of [TS]

  the like some of the details of how the [TS]

  person structures their statement it [TS]

  abstracts all that away from the [TS]

  developers so like it's really easy to [TS]

  do things like a bit like instant [TS]

  messaging app because you don't need to [TS]

  like you know if you say like you know [TS]

  send a message to john that i will be [TS]

  late and you know if it's like does the [TS]

  app need to know that I said that before [TS]

  I will be later you know doesn't just [TS]

  get I'll be late and the United like an [TS]

  abstract way to deal with all that for [TS]

  you that's awesome you can blame all the [TS]

  stupid bugs I'm like well I don't have a [TS]

  choice that this is the intense enemy [TS]

  this and thinks the messages this and it [TS]

  includes that we all just complain about [TS]

  series more yeah exactly but that [TS]

  abstracts away dealing with so many you [TS]

  know language issues and different [TS]

  languages and different constructs [TS]

  so it's great for the developers that it [TS]

  supports and I hope in the future [TS]

  support for developer yeah I completely [TS]

  agree with everything you just said in [TS]

  and it i want to double down what you [TS]

  said a second ago which is it supports [TS]

  like 30 some languages or something like [TS]

  that which is quite a bit different than [TS]

  most of the voice enabled stuff they're [TS]

  certainly amazon's if not Google's there [TS]

  are a couple of other things that were [TS]

  mentioned that I'd like to try to [TS]

  breathe through pretty quickly because [TS]

  there was another big section in the iOS [TS]

  stuff the quick stuff i'd like to [TS]

  breathe through his Apple music i [TS]

  refresh this was when bozeman st. John [TS]

  came up i'm a pronounced that wrong but [TS]

  she was awesome children there was one [TS]

  small part where she was trying to get a [TS]

  bunch of like completely nerdy [TS]

  developers to try to the singer/rapper [TS]

  like that was part of the joke though in [TS]

  the end it's like it was it was a long [TS]

  set up for realizing this is not [TS]

  happening right and you guys need to [TS]

  practice but it was other than that [TS]

  which got a little bit cringe-worthy I [TS]

  thought she did an unbelievable job into [TS]

  my recollection the best first time [TS]

  performance of anyone I've ever seen on [TS]

  an opportunity but later maybe one of my [TS]

  few tweets during the thing was like [TS]

  being cooler than a DQ is admittedly a [TS]

  low bar because like that she achieved [TS]

  it handily like everybody's really i [TS]

  mean it's a tough call like it you want [TS]

  someone to be up there to show [TS]

  enthusiasm for music and it's hard to do [TS]

  that them all the time I someone starkly [TS]

  treated like once again Apple shows how [TS]

  to enjoy music like we all understand [TS]

  how to enjoy but like really like if [TS]

  you're going to an apple music demo you [TS]

  can't really demo it as like a series of [TS]

  screens and stuff like the whole point [TS]

  of the thing is the music and even [TS]

  though the message of this was like you [TS]

  can find your stuff more easily whatever [TS]

  there's always gonna be a part where [TS]

  they show enthusiasm for music and you [TS]

  need a presenter up there who was [TS]

  clearly enthusiastic about it and bottom [TS]

  line is you have to have someone who is [TS]

  relatable and even though a lot of us [TS]

  are old in the audience like it we can [TS]

  relate to any Q getting down and I don't [TS]

  think it's not his fault like you know a [TS]

  little bit he can't everyone gets old [TS]

  man ever [TS]

  run but everyone becomes uncool uncool [TS]

  earlier than they were before and it was [TS]

  just a silly choice to happen up there [TS]

  doing that bring someone else who is [TS]

  better at this than you and who is more [TS]

  relatable and they did [TS]

  hallelujah and it was better yeah i mean [TS]

  like it's still a really tough gig [TS]

  because like that audience is and that's [TS]

  setting is really not conducive to like [TS]

  we're gonna talk cool about music and [TS]

  we're gonna get all everyone all excited [TS]

  about our cool music like that you know [TS]

  you can't do that in that room no matter [TS]

  how cool you want you can do it by being [TS]

  funny like Craig killed at once again [TS]

  yeah right i keep you have to be [TS]

  relatable to that audience but you can [TS]

  do it like you can do it through humor [TS]

  you can do with your self deprecating [TS]

  humor but I actually think that she was [TS]

  a different kind of funny like that [TS]

  again that 12 inch worthy part aside I [TS]

  thought she was a different kind of [TS]

  funny and arguably more funny than [TS]

  anyone else on stage and the thing that [TS]

  was so striking to me was the that she [TS]

  was a different kind of funny instead of [TS]

  the dad jokes that have been out that's [TS]

  all you can do with your dad [TS]

  agree agree that is that is the entirety [TS]

  of your repertoire but but it it in a [TS]

  way that I've never seen an apple [TS]

  keynote be funny her portion of the [TS]

  keynote was a different kind of funny [TS]

  and even as not a very even as a fellow [TS]

  white man like most of the people that [TS]

  were always on the Apple Keynote stages [TS]

  i really enjoyed this different kind of [TS]

  funny I thought it made for a better [TS]

  keynote and having this different kind [TS]

  of voice and and I would have really [TS]

  thought she did an unbelievably good a [TS]

  manager as always the trick to being a [TS]

  presenter that you have to be [TS]

  comfortable with yourself and she was [TS]

  and that makes you like even even if [TS]

  your presentation doesn't go that well [TS]

  if you're comfortable with yourself and [TS]

  your role with that that's that makes [TS]

  the audience more comfortable and if you [TS]

  can express genuine enthusiasm for the [TS]

  new things are showing and like as rap [TS]

  music itself [TS]

  they're trying to make it nicer to use [TS]

  by making it easier to find the stuff [TS]

  that you actually care about and [TS]

  addressing the idea of like hey get on a [TS]

  plane I have no idea what the heck is on [TS]

  my phone right so they address that [TS]

  directly and said oh now we have a [TS]

  special view like I feel like they're [TS]

  dressing a once again addressing you [TS]

  needs that I feel like I should have [TS]

  known a year ago but didn't [TS]

  now they've discovered them they [TS]

  rearrange things a little bit they've [TS]

  added a limited amount [TS]

  it features is that enough to make apple [TS]

  music better is it still gonna fight [TS]

  with people's metadata and give you bad [TS]

  versions of stuff and do all that like I [TS]

  don't know I hope not but the Apple [TS]

  music I still feel like that's the [TS]

  albatross around our music snack is for [TS]

  the people who should be the biggest [TS]

  fans about music music lovers who have [TS]

  huge music collections Apple music I [TS]

  still think feels like the enemy because [TS]

  going to screw with your music in ways [TS]

  that you don't understand and it's like [TS]

  a giant be strangled you say no thanks [TS]

  as opposed to say itunes match which [TS]

  have the potential to be just as bad but [TS]

  was not just as bad that it would mess [TS]

  with your music in fairly predictable [TS]

  ways and the upside was pretty big like [TS]

  so [TS]

  yep i still use itunes matches to love [TS]

  it yeah if they cancel itunes match that [TS]

  would be terrible because i don't want [TS]

  to use you know like we want like photos [TS]

  we want we want the the photo style [TS]

  refresh we're still waiting for the post [TS]

  was refreshing music companies exposed [TS]

  to be it but it's a bad job we want all [TS]

  our music everywhere and we want to [TS]

  control it and we don't want Apple [TS]

  screwing with it and messing it up [TS]

  so that's perfect segue to the other [TS]

  thing I wanted to very briefly touch on [TS]

  which is photos and basically it was [TS]

  hey we're doing google photos but we're [TS]

  doing it on device in it with no mention [TS]

  of google any anywhere but that's that's [TS]

  expected you and I mean that's basically [TS]

  what i saw and what I saw looked to me [TS]

  like it was taking all of the best bits [TS]

  of google photos like arbitrarily [TS]

  searching for handbrake or controller [TS]

  likely wouldn't do that demo they didn't [TS]

  do the like they said hey will notice [TS]

  that there's water and there's animal [TS]

  they didn't pull up a search screen and [TS]

  say horses like I i continue to think [TS]

  that Google do this bed is obviously [TS]

  going to the controlling us and by the [TS]

  way update on we'd never involved in [TS]

  this episode but a small amount of [TS]

  follow-up once i uploaded all at once i [TS]

  uploaded all of my photos to a photo and [TS]

  i typed controller guess what it found [TS]

  exactly the controller cricket the [TS]

  controller pictures that have found [TS]

  before and also the ones that they just [TS]

  hadn't been uploaded yet so Google [TS]

  photos totally aced the controller tests [TS]

  found all my controller pictures and so [TS]

  that's going to be my first test with [TS]

  you know cuz all my photos already [TS]

  uploaded to apples photos you know in [TS]

  the cloud thing and when this feature [TS]

  rolls out as I assume it will on the Mac [TS]

  as well i'm going to type controller and [TS]

  I can almost guarantee that it will not [TS]

  find it [TS]

  I'm so it's just a question of how much [TS]

  better is going with the [TS]

  the Apple there was no demo we have no [TS]

  way to judge the fact that Apple is [TS]

  doing this at all is great maybe someday [TS]

  they can get family photo library by the [TS]

  way I was hard but speaking of family [TS]

  photo libraries there is new sharing [TS]

  features in cloud get that like [TS]

  collaboration of notes and everything I [TS]

  know something you can use this feature [TS]

  for a moment you have a single photos [TS]

  library for an entire family and share [TS]

  it among them so everyone's going to do [TS]

  one big pool [TS]

  yep I that was not announced maybe not [TS]

  this year or whatever but anyway that's [TS]

  me that's a fall event feature or maybe [TS]

  that's the next year yeah i mean he [TS]

  could be and it scares me a little too [TS]

  i'll see how well it works notes but [TS]

  anyway you know the photos features like [TS]

  Casey said like we're going to try to do [TS]

  things google photos did [TS]

  we're gonna have the privacy angle that [TS]

  we're not going to do it service are [TS]

  going to do a client-side Howie into a [TS]

  client-side without holding your battery [TS]

  presumably they didn't say this I feel [TS]

  like they should have [TS]

  oh don't worry we won't destroy your [TS]

  battery we will do it when it's plugged [TS]

  in at night and we won't start doing [TS]

  until it's been plugged in for a certain [TS]

  period of time we won't start doing [TS]

  until you're above eighty percent like [TS]

  that is a suit i assume what they're [TS]

  doing because i can tell you from seeing [TS]

  face recognition bring down many a mac i [TS]

  do not want to face recognition running [TS]

  on my giant 70,000 photo library even [TS]

  just that the band was to download the [TS]

  original do the recognition and chuck [TS]

  them out of storage again it's just you [TS]

  know so i assume they will do this when [TS]

  it's plugged in there doing it on device [TS]

  instead of in the cloud because apples [TS]

  bad cloud and because they love privacy [TS]

  i hope they do a good job not didn't [TS]

  demo anything to let me know they were [TS]

  going to do a good job but good for [TS]

  apple for you know playing catch-up once [TS]

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  it can do like high alert likes a new [TS]

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  ah so the other big thing on iOS 10 to [TS]

  me anyway was messages and some of this [TS]

  made me feel like the old man i really [TS]

  am [TS]

  oh I i think the entire thing shows that [TS]

  all of us including most of the people [TS]

  in that room are too old to understand [TS]

  why anybody would want to use these [TS]

  things I totally understand like I mean [TS]

  it but it amazes me that I message has [TS]

  been so boring for so long in light of [TS]

  every single other messaging allegation [TS]

  being having all these features having [TS]

  stickers and like animations and [TS]

  snapchat child features annotations like [TS]

  Apple had the text special i call you [TS]

  know like making a picture and [TS]

  scribbling over it like they have all [TS]

  the pieces there this is once again [TS]

  catch up where Apple finally realized [TS]

  hey [TS]

  messages applications let you type text' [TS]

  energy back and forth to each other are [TS]

  super boring and tons of people use [TS]

  other ones that have all sorts of [TS]

  features like stickers and weird [TS]

  animations and like and now they're [TS]

  doing all that which is great again it [TS]

  is playing catch-up but it amazes me [TS]

  that they spent so they know it's the [TS]

  most used application on their platform [TS]

  they spent so long not even be able to [TS]

  send messages in the right order and [TS]

  then Beth haven't delivered all devices [TS]

  they didn't mention anything about this [TS]

  and like the proximity thing so now if i [TS]

  have 7 devices on my desk will not make [TS]

  all them ring at the same time because [TS]

  it knows I'm there I watch like they [TS]

  didn't mention any of that like messages [TS]

  has been so far behind everybody for so [TS]

  long and they caught didn't catch up [TS]

  entirely but a lot of the features they [TS]

  put out as like all those things [TS]

  everyone else is doing [TS]

  we are finally doing them as well it [TS]

  would be nice if they were adding these [TS]

  features after making every other part [TS]

  of messages the boring part exactly no [TS]

  rock solid and stable and like not [TS]

  annoying and presidents notification and [TS]

  messages being on all devices and all [TS]

  times and working out all the privacy [TS]

  things but they're not they're going [TS]

  ahead with these things and I think this [TS]

  is that just the price of entry [TS]

  this is not like a radical features like [TS]

  Apple has woken up and realize that you [TS]

  have a message application you need to [TS]

  support these things and your message [TS]

  conversations will be as annoying as the [TS]

  people you or as exciting let's say the [TS]

  people you message with jon was looking [TS]

  right and I said that FYI i know that a [TS]

  lot of this looks really good to me the [TS]

  emoji fire whatever they call them where [TS]

  you type text and then it will I think [TS]

  yellow highlight an underlying [TS]

  individual worries give you not only the [TS]

  option of converting that word say peta2 [TS]

  emoji but if you have something like I [TS]

  don't know girl then you if you tap girl [TS]

  it'll give you several contextually [TS]

  relevant hopefully options that you can [TS]

  convert in the girl the word girl into a [TS]

  different emoji I feel like that is not [TS]

  the way people use emoji a lot of times [TS]

  that like I think it's forcing a [TS]

  particular style because the and they [TS]

  said in the presentation that people [TS]

  will finish sentence and want sort of an [TS]

  an emoji capper like that's how people a [TS]

  lot of people use emoji is sort of like [TS]

  to express something after you've [TS]

  written the text going back into the [TS]

  Texan replacing announced the motor yeah [TS]

  people do that sometimes but it's not as [TS]

  common in my experience as or at least [TS]

  you want edition [TS]

  everything in the end i wanna see more [TS]

  like slacks autocomplete you enter emoji [TS]

  autocomplete mode you want to find this [TS]

  that right emoji capital they said in [TS]

  the demo but you didn't find the emoji [TS]

  happy just went back and changed much [TS]

  announced the emoji which is a good [TS]

  feature and you should have it but you [TS]

  should also have a way to you know [TS]

  quickly sort of inline autocomplete [TS]

  emoji and in the end message anyway [TS]

  maybe it still makes sense to me though [TS]

  because it's um considerably faster to [TS]

  type words then to scroll through that [TS]

  damned emoji list trying to find the [TS]

  right emoji so it made sense to me [TS]

  speaking of of writing you can write [TS]

  with your own handwriting a kind of like [TS]

  on the watch but better which is [TS]

  exciting you can do the same thing that [TS]

  google google showed where you can make [TS]

  the text that expands and shrinks but I [TS]

  think you pointed out John that it will [TS]

  land and its resting state is full-sized [TS]

  that we talked about like a lot of [TS]

  things a lot of things we saw download [TS]

  exactly what a google demoed it's a love [TS]

  thing i like you know down to the [TS]

  whispered and shouting and the the [TS]

  bigger emoji and although the stuff only [TS]

  Apple did some of them better and the [TS]

  Whisperer is a great example if you want [TS]

  to be like whispering halftime text you [TS]

  can do that but it stays small just for [TS]

  a second and then comes back to what I [TS]

  assume is whatever the normal size is so [TS]

  if you have your font size cranked up on [TS]

  an iOS for accessibility that your [TS]

  whisper we'll start microscopic for a [TS]

  second get the effect of advantage you [TS]

  know doesn't stay that way it goes it [TS]

  goes large again one of the things I [TS]

  like most [TS]

  i can't i can't verbalize why but i [TS]

  really liked invisible ink [TS]

  I thought that was really really cool [TS]

  because it's like hey I'm showing you [TS]

  something that say they're they're both [TS]

  shaking their heads and laughing at me [TS]

  right now but it if you're showing you [TS]

  something like that were step I take [TS]

  no this one it i think it's cute i think [TS]

  there's an emotional aspect right is [TS]

  that it works but here's the thing that [TS]

  it worries me a tiny bit about it [TS]

  invisible ink the feature makes people's [TS]

  phones act exactly like the crazy [TS]

  haunted gadget that some people believe [TS]

  their phones are back so the first time [TS]

  you send this to somebody who doesn't [TS]

  know what this is there like all I've [TS]

  got a virus my phone is haunted the [TS]

  letters are all scrambling I can't see [TS]

  anything [TS]

  I'm sure looking over that and you'll [TS]

  explain her i think it is a good feature [TS]

  it's a clever feature it is another [TS]

  feature that will confuse people who are [TS]

  less savvy then business presence is not [TS]

  obvious what you're supposed to do with [TS]

  it when you know it's not obvious that [TS]

  you should swipe it to make it go away [TS]

  right so that's fair and it looks [TS]

  exactly like what people think bugs look [TS]

  like in like movies [TS]

  fuck am I think all the texts all [TS]

  scrambling the aliens are into it looks [TS]

  like it looks more like sand is covering [TS]

  it but I mean your point is still fair [TS]

  it seemed to me like the new messages [TS]

  combination of slack with the responses [TS]

  on individual lines which I didn't yeah [TS]

  I never thought how you engage that but [TS]

  you can like thumbs-up an individual [TS]

  message that everybody all right actions [TS]

  do you think yeah I was like flagging [TS]

  for your own purposes do they see you [TS]

  thought my they do my impression was [TS]

  that they see it's very much like the [TS]

  way slack works if you have to know if [TS]

  you use slack and I like that a lot so [TS]

  you know the example they haven't on the [TS]

  introduction I was 10 page and they call [TS]

  it tap back so here you go just have to [TS]

  send one of six quick responses to let [TS]

  people know what you're thinking and so [TS]

  they have an example of somebody saying [TS]

  head to santa cruz ? and then the tap [TS]

  back is a little thumbs up and that's [TS]

  actually really convenient because it's [TS]

  nice especially if you're like on the go [TS]

  you can just basically say yes I [TS]

  acknowledge what you've said I agreed [TS]

  let's do it we're good rather than [TS]

  having to write out a text message so [TS]

  its combination of slack snapchat i [TS]

  jokingly celebrated during the keynote [TS]

  that I don't have to learn how snapchat [TS]

  works anymore because it seems likes a [TS]

  lot of those features have come [TS]

  otherwise this is way more limited it's [TS]

  like I was like I tweeted baby slap yeah [TS]

  yeah it's a chat for parents [TS]

  yes which make significant take exam so [TS]

  yeah something like off is also a little [TS]

  weird like the let's celebrate say [TS]

  things like happy birthday or [TS]

  congratulations with animations to take [TS]

  over the entire screen you can have like [TS]

  bubbles yr balloons excuse me fly on [TS]

  confetti and fireworks always was always [TS]

  really good shot underscores confetti [TS]

  out here so I mean I think some of that [TS]

  stuff again it's going to be the kind of [TS]

  thing like series Joe penis or like it [TS]

  might be cool the first time you see it [TS]

  but like there's only a very small [TS]

  handful of these like and effects so [TS]

  it's get there going to get old quickly [TS]

  i think and and I think some of them [TS]

  seem a little heavy-handed [TS]

  you know overall I i think it's it's a [TS]

  cool it's a fun little feature to have [TS]

  but i do think their implementation of [TS]

  it is gonna is gonna get I think a [TS]

  little annoying but pretty quick but the [TS]

  same is that that's what how you view it [TS]

  but it's a nice thing to have but like [TS]

  this is how entire groups of people [TS]

  communicate all the time you have the [TS]

  same limited palette of stuff that you [TS]

  would find annoying really quickly but [TS]

  as far as they're concerned anything [TS]

  that you can't do this with this crap [TS]

  and they never get tired of it like [TS]

  never meeting last night like they're [TS]

  just I mean I scroll through like my [TS]

  kids conversations like they're there to [TS]

  tolerance for repeated and they don't [TS]

  even have they haven't even smaller [TS]

  vocabulary and still just repeating it [TS]

  and everything like I think this will [TS]

  like it's not how we will communicate [TS]

  but you have to have this and you have [TS]

  to have you and more of it and they will [TS]

  not burn out these things will just keep [TS]

  using them and potentially be using I [TS]

  just hope they don't crash the apps that [TS]

  will be ashamed well into that end there [TS]

  now there's now an app store for I [TS]

  message which in principle i'm all by my [TS]

  hundred percent behind but in execution [TS]

  my little scared people already doing [TS]

  that was buying like the keyboard like [TS]

  Kim Kardashian keyboard guy who write [TS]

  like this is already they're responding [TS]

  to a market again it's not like Apple is [TS]

  like oh we're the pint they're catching [TS]

  up like this is a thing that people do [TS]

  on all platforms that they're finding a [TS]

  way to do through keyboards and apples [TS]

  platforms [TS]

  this is what people want to do with the [TS]

  front may not be what we want to do [TS]

  other phones but they have to provide a [TS]

  way to do it even if ya even if it's [TS]

  outside the realm of like Steve Jobs [TS]

  still alive today [TS]

  what do you think of this probably not [TS]

  up his alley probably he would want that [TS]

  we suffer for like bitchy animations [TS]

  write that letter but I think I don't [TS]

  know if you think my draw the lines like [TS]

  the sticker stores yeah well but you [TS]

  know I think one thing interesting like [TS]

  a theme we saw throughout this unit is [TS]

  you looked like things like the [TS]

  integration with other services into [TS]

  your contacts you can like you know [TS]

  right in your address book or your [TS]

  contact that you can see like are you [TS]

  can call this person on whatsapp or [TS]

  whatever I don't know how these but it [TS]

  is that a phone call service ever just [TS]

  messaging have to decide is good [TS]

  so yes so now you can do that you can [TS]

  you know they have like all these little [TS]

  hooks everywhere that you know that's [TS]

  are slowly adding more places for [TS]

  third-party apps can hook into the [TS]

  system and and appear native if you if [TS]

  you look at something like android or [TS]

  windows you know where things are kind [TS]

  but more and really things are kind of [TS]

  like the Wild West and there are [TS]

  lots of ways for apps to hook in all [TS]

  over the place or to be everywhere but [TS]

  it's it's done in like a very like Wild [TS]

  West but it kind of you know risky or or [TS]

  unstable or just kind of messy way what [TS]

  an apple has done with iOS is slowly [TS]

  make a system over time in which you can [TS]

  integrate and when you integrate it's as [TS]

  nice as the built-in stuff and they're [TS]

  doing this like very slowly over like a [TS]

  decade but the result is so different [TS]

  from what you get on Android wear on [TS]

  Android like you could do way more [TS]

  especially back in the day on day one [TS]

  you could do way more but it resulted in [TS]

  overall I think a less nice system than [TS]

  what we're slowly developing on iOS [TS]

  we're now you can integrate all sorts of [TS]

  cool stuff you can integrate you know [TS]

  certain kinds of apps in many different [TS]

  places all around the OS and make it [TS]

  seem just like the first party [TS]

  integration but without many of the [TS]

  downsides of the android style kind of [TS]

  more Wild West system without the [TS]

  downsides of the Apple approach which is [TS]

  ok so you can have some integrations but [TS]

  when you say ask Siri contact somebody [TS]

  or our pop some UI were always going to [TS]

  show you our first like they're all [TS]

  right pitch was low but if you get most [TS]

  of the time when you talk to this person [TS]

  to reach at that will be the first [TS]

  choice like we won't say oh well cable [TS]

  you can add that extra integration but [TS]

  that's a frail when you contact them by [TS]

  NE pourrait programmatically will always [TS]

  present you with the apple ones first [TS]

  this ties in with the ability to delete [TS]

  the built-in apple apps and the [TS]

  potential I don't know if this is [TS]

  confirmed that ability to pick different [TS]

  default apps for things that we know [TS]

  that's what I'm really quick before we [TS]

  get to that I just want to say that I'm [TS]

  all-in on the net on the master stuff [TS]

  i'm really excited about it in during [TS]

  the State of the Union forget who was [TS]

  but they were talking about the sticker [TS]

  packs specifically and they were saying [TS]

  oh here look at how easy it is to build [TS]

  these you do need xcode but bid but [TS]

  whoever was they say they started xcode [TS]

  did a new project from this new template [TS]

  and they said okay i'm almost done [TS]

  literally all they have done was made in [TS]

  project usually dragging the images [TS]

  right and that's about it like there's [TS]

  no code you can make a code list sticker [TS]

  and which is really exciting impressive [TS]

  and I'm really hopeful about that but [TS]

  i'm also very scared that's just going [TS]

  to be Spanish city if you want to say [TS]

  you can sell images like I'm sure people [TS]

  will just upload pictures of Star Wars [TS]

  stuff and try to sell them until [TS]

  Lucasfilm me and it's gonna be a [TS]

  copyright infringement nightmare [TS]

  alright so I a leaving messages behind [TS]

  I'm really enthusiastic about it some [TS]

  things I don't totally understand i [TS]

  think it's really great with jon is [TS]

  alluding to as summarizer in chief is [TS]

  some people have noticed that you can [TS]

  actually delete like the stock mail app [TS]

  that comes on iOS yeah and they're like [TS]

  in the appstore never yeah and if you [TS]

  want to get it back how do i get back to [TS]

  ya at the little cloud with the bounty [TS]

  facing arrow and there's been no [TS]

  official documentation or talk about [TS]

  what that means but it could potentially [TS]

  mean and seems like it means that you [TS]

  can get a different default mail app [TS]

  we're not a special about this you know [TS]

  but so you delete the mail app you have [TS]

  no way to send mail does the mail share [TS]

  she did not show up anymore and that's [TS]

  the solution right or like you know what [TS]

  happens if you ask Siri for a certain [TS]

  feature the right wires like you know if [TS]

  you believe the weather app can serious [TS]

  look at the weather there stuff like [TS]

  that like they're like the system isn't [TS]

  built for so long to assume that these [TS]

  certain apps are always available right [TS]

  so it'll be interesting to see like how [TS]

  they handle all this I mean whether [TS]

  we're going to get the ability to change [TS]

  default setting is a totally separate [TS]

  decision that like we can we can have [TS]

  this system that only exists so we can [TS]

  delete the tips app like yeah but like I [TS]

  say you like tap am a link in a way a [TS]

  male to lincoln a webview actually no [TS]

  handler what I said that there's an [TS]

  alert so there's a tweet by Mike sore [TS]

  neck who with more positions show notes [TS]

  into the picture and that he said he got [TS]

  from a male to link and it says restore [TS]

  mail ? you followed a link that requires [TS]

  the animal which is no longer on this [TS]

  iphone you can restore the apps but [TS]

  that's crappy like where it's a half [TS]

  solution like yes it's great that we can [TS]

  leave the tips app like it so we're all [TS]

  for that right but if i delete mail like [TS]

  share sheet we already have a solution [TS]

  if i delete mail and I go to share a [TS]

  link the gmail share thing will be there [TS]

  good we're all set there but the default [TS]

  comes in 10 i tap a male to link then [TS]

  what happens [TS]

  it's nice that it's not an error or [TS]

  nothing happens and it gives you a [TS]

  button to fix it be nicer today I [TS]

  believe the mail app for a reason [TS]

  because i don't use it to do my mail let [TS]

  me tell you which one I do use to do my [TS]

  mouth and then you come up with a [TS]

  protocol or an intense system or [TS]

  whatever the decision to make the gmail [TS]

  app conforming with this and can replace [TS]

  and maybe they have that plan but you [TS]

  know it could be that dialogue is coming [TS]

  up because we have not detected any [TS]

  other application on the system that can [TS]

  handle the mail intent or whatever and [TS]

  therefore we have to bring this dialogue [TS]

  up whereas when you learn about this new [TS]

  API in a session later this week you can [TS]

  make the gmail app [TS]

  be a standard mail application that's [TS]

  part of it you have to to be it to [TS]

  fulfill the role of a default web [TS]

  browser email client messages client or [TS]

  whatever you have to be conforming with [TS]

  whatever way the system communicates you [TS]

  how does it launched you and say you're [TS]

  now supposed to be still composing a [TS]

  message the mail options whatever the [TS]

  hell it doesn't system integrates with [TS]

  it once it becomes open the third party [TS]

  that has to be formalized so i would say [TS]

  that dialogue doesn't tell us anything [TS]

  yet other than no current applications [TS]

  are able to be the default mail [TS]

  application i still hope that we will [TS]

  learn that there's an easy way for them [TS]

  to do that and that would be great i [TS]

  will say we are pretty much at a time [TS]

  for now but before we go Marco how do [TS]

  you feel about the keynote and the state [TS]

  of the union which we didn't get to talk [TS]

  too much about 1,000 up two thumbs up [TS]

  thumbs down how do you feel [TS]

  overall I think two thumbs up we're [TS]

  gonna see all you know it the there's a [TS]

  lot of stuff that they're still there ? [TS]

  up like well if that really works well [TS]

  everything was a lot of that or like you [TS]

  know we're kind of guessing how certain [TS]

  things are gonna be implemented so as we [TS]

  find out more about the details of these [TS]

  things obviously you know my opinion [TS]

  might be refined but overall I'm very [TS]

  happy with this and overall I think it's [TS]

  really good i mean they're the in there [TS]

  are some things that we were hoping for [TS]

  that we didn't get but I think we've got [TS]

  a bunch of really big stuff is gonna be [TS]

  really nice so overall for me two thumbs [TS]

  up [TS]

  John really liked that paints a pretty [TS]

  leaks basically no hardware so that [TS]

  prepared us for that which is again [TS]

  disappointing but you know fine i like [TS]

  that in the absence of hardware they now [TS]

  folks they had a4 platform structure to [TS]

  focus on and they took us three to the [TS]

  platforms and the kind of the good [TS]

  keynotes especially about software are [TS]

  the ones where you find yourself saying [TS]

  finally yes that thing that thing that's [TS]

  been annoying yes you have addressed it [TS]

  and every single one of the sections had [TS]

  things they're all like yes good [TS]

  finally I am excited to do that that [TS]

  isn't normal for a long time and you've [TS]

  solved it or I'm excited that you [TS]

  recognize like it's fun to see them [TS]

  recognize a problem like with the watch [TS]

  us thing that they didn't just say oh [TS]

  and we tweak things to make it a little [TS]

  faster it's like we leave we feel your [TS]

  pain we understand we didn't do a good [TS]

  job or take another run at it [TS]

  and of course the biggest finally of all [TS]

  the file system which I'm so tickled the [TS]

  day pre-announced even though it's still [TS]

  not coming in 2017 until 2017 is [TS]

  everybody talked about last week I am [TS]

  super happy about that and I guess we'll [TS]

  just always patiently for the hardware [TS]

  that's going to replace my now [TS]

  unsupported mac pro but i think two [TS]

  thumbs up I thought it was really good [TS]

  the only problem I have with the [TS]

  presentation was the thing I was most [TS]

  amped about during the keynote was the [TS]

  watch stuff and so not that it was [TS]

  downhill from there [TS]

  but I thought that was the most [TS]

  impressive stuff of everything I mean [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm just not I don't enjoy the [TS]

  filesystem species you do the revamped [TS]

  emoji for you have ok but you everywhere [TS]

  after you better than three times bigger [TS]

  and yea alright fine i tell you're right [TS]

  you're right that one choice for I feel [TS]

  like I'm on top for again you're arguing [TS]

  with me but you're right [TS]

  ok but no matter what i still land on [TS]

  two thumbs up I thought it was really [TS]

  really good and I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to it although i completely [TS]

  agree with a little bit of what each of [TS]

  you said I completely agree Marco that [TS]

  it's a lot of assuming this works right [TS]

  it but we have no reason to believe it [TS]

  won't so so far so good and i agree with [TS]

  what John said about it they'll finally [TS]

  this is a thing [TS]

  finally this is fixed I I think you're [TS]

  absolutely right you nailed it that and [TS]

  that's like a mean way of saying they [TS]

  had things that people liked they [TS]

  announce things that people like lots [TS]

  and lots of things that people like big [TS]

  things small things I mean that's what [TS]

  they're supposed to do but it's like it [TS]

  didn't feel like they were lacking in [TS]

  any of the platform's there are tons of [TS]

  things that you know good things we just [TS]

  had a episode was like that what you see [TS]

  is not Santa Claus but they still bring [TS]

  a lot of little gifts let you know that [TS]

  presently working like Marco said we [TS]

  could unwrap them as a doctor in there [TS]

  more soon but for now like there are [TS]

  many great gifts if something is for [TS]

  everybody under this tree of WWDC and in [TS]

  a way the hardware getting the hardware [TS]

  of the picture just stops us from [TS]

  talking about hardware just like all [TS]

  right all your platforms have knew [TS]

  better things that that is the this is [TS]

  the blessing of waiting all year and [TS]

  holding all this stuff and holding it in [TS]

  for one big burst is that we get to be [TS]

  cranky wrapped the mind everything is [TS]

  like oh they did have a bunch of nice [TS]

  stuff for us [TS]

  actually I think John if we've learned [TS]

  anything from today it's that if it is a [TS]

  dog turd that's on that's in that that [TS]

  gift box it's actually dr. mojee at [TS]

  three times the size [TS]

  and it's a happy and it's a very happy [TS]

  together [TS]

  alright thanks a lot to our sponsors [TS]

  this week and thanks for all the live [TS]

  listeners 4229 we had a 925 listeners [TS]

  seriously yeah so that while that might [TS]

  be a record for us and thanks everybody [TS]

  and we'll cover a lot more this next [TS]

  week so talk to you then thanks a lot [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin as it was accidental [TS]

  it was accidental John research Marco [TS]

  and Casey would let him [TS]

  because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

  and you can find the show know today [TS]

  DP and if your twitter follow them [TS]

  yes byl ISS so that's Katie list and a [TS]

  co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our see you [TS]

  at Syracuse [TS]

  alright thank you are people that's very [TS]

  kind of you to tune in and I'm sorry we [TS]

  weren't in the chat room and I'm sorry [TS]

  we're basically hanging up on you but we [TS]

  gotta go see you later [TS]

  I can't believe this worked yeah me [TS]

  neither [TS]