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0:00:06From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 144. Today's show is brought to you by Jamf Now and PDF Pen 9 from Smile.
0:00:16My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr Federico Vitici. Ciao Federico.
0:00:21Ciao Myke.
0:00:22Mr Stephen Hackett. Howdy Stephen.
0:00:25Howdy Myke.
0:00:26We are just one week away from two things.
0:00:29We are one week away from two things.
0:00:31Monday, but next month, actually next Tuesday.
0:00:36Yeah, we're a week away from it being next Tuesday, in which the WWDC keynote is done.
0:00:40We're also one week away from sitting around a table, looking deep into each other's eyes
0:00:47and talking about whatever it is that Apple is doing, because next week we'll be together
0:00:53in San Jose, California. California, I think they call it.
0:00:57We're not invoking any spirit at the table next week.
0:01:01We're just talking about tech news.
0:01:02We could. OK. We can invoke the spirit of Forstor.
0:01:05Oh, you got there before me.
0:01:07It's not dead. It doesn't have a spirit to invoke.
0:01:10It's alive and doing Broadway.
0:01:12So the table turns to felt.
0:01:16Let's do it. OK, let's do it.
0:01:18Tune in next week, Stephen.
0:01:20Until then, we have many things to address.
0:01:24We have so many things to talk about.
0:01:27We're going to start with follow up,
0:01:28because that's what we do.
0:01:30I wanted to point people to episode 36 of Canvas,
0:01:33the podcast that Federico does with Fraser Spears about iPad
0:01:37and iOS productivity.
0:01:40Episode 36, Merlin Mann joined the two of you guys
0:01:43to talk about in-depth iOS wishes,
0:01:46especially around the iPad.
0:01:47And it was a great episode.
0:01:49Even though you did steal the pending Round Robin connected style picking selector on
0:01:57a podcast patent trademark.
0:02:00I'm sorry, don't sue me please.
0:02:04I got nothing so you can actually sue me, you'll get a bunch of Nintendo amiibo from
0:02:09me.
0:02:10That's all I have.
0:02:11That's all I own.
0:02:12Those things are rare.
0:02:15Coming after your puppies.
0:02:19So we're going to talk about our WWDC wishes today, but if you want to really get nerdy
0:02:25on iPad and iOS stuff and you don't listen to Canvas A, you totally should, but at least
0:02:29check out episode 36.
0:02:30There'll be a link in the show notes.
0:02:32Quickly, we wanted to remind people of relays to WWDC events in San Jose.
0:02:40First, on Monday night, tickets have been sold out for a long time, but will be at the
0:02:44Textile Museum.
0:02:46If you have a ticket to this event and for some reason you're not coming to San Jose,
0:02:51please let us know because we have a crazy long waiting list and we would like to have
0:02:56a full house.
0:02:57Sizeable.
0:02:58It's good.
0:02:59It's a good word.
0:03:00So if you have a ticket and for some reason you're not making it to California, we're
0:03:02sorry we're not going to see you but please let us know and we'd love to have your ticket
0:03:06go to somebody else.
0:03:08And secondly, if you have not yet bought a ticket to the AppCamp for Girls fundraiser,
0:03:12you definitely should.
0:03:13There will be a link in the show notes.
0:03:16We will have a section of the event kind of deemed as a Relay FM meetup and some hosts
0:03:21will be there.
0:03:22It's a great, great opportunity to support AppCamp for Girls.
0:03:26Even if we're not going to be there, you should totally buy a ticket anyways.
0:03:29Definitely worth your time.
0:03:31But we are going to be.
0:03:32But we are going to be.
0:03:33So it's just an added bonus.
0:03:34Yeah.
0:03:35So there will be a link there in the show notes as well.
0:03:37So I think that's all kind of like the preamble stuff.
0:03:42I will say, I don't know how the two of you feel about this, but leading up to these events,
0:03:46I always think about our community and like how basically everybody I work with is super
0:03:51busy this week, like packing and doing laundry.
0:03:53And then when everybody gets back, we don't talk to each other because we've seen way
0:03:56too much of each other and just decide that we need some alone time.
0:04:00So I at least am in that process right now of like getting stuff together, pulling stuff
0:04:05together for our shows.
0:04:06Like I have a whole table full of sound equipment.
0:04:08I have to stuff into a suitcase.
0:04:10always a fun week for us but we have follow up so the fun must end and we must get down
0:04:15to business. Myke I think you put this in, what is going on today with Touch ID and the
0:04:21next phone?
0:04:23There is a point at which I feel I'm just talking against myself week on week, right?
0:04:29Like one week I tell myself one thing and then the next week I tell myself another thing
0:04:33because that's how these rumors tend to roll. But I did just want to take a moment to mention
0:04:38and something I saw on 9to5Mac which is coming from whatever Economic Daily News is via DigiTimes
0:04:45it suggests that Apple will be using a new type of optical fingerprint sensor in the
0:04:50iPhone 8 to allow for a touch ID sensor to be embedded in an OLED screen which this type
0:04:57of optical fingerprint sensor can read through an OLED screen. So basically this is another
0:05:07rumor which is suggesting that Apple is in fact going to be putting the touch ID behind
0:05:13the screen, not on the back of the phone. I think at this point it is clear to say that
0:05:20this is just going to continue to keep changing and so from now on, unless there's anything
0:05:24a little bit more substantial, I don't really want to talk about it, but I wanted to just
0:05:29bring this up because this is something which is in contrast to what we've been talking
0:05:34about over the last couple of weeks so is prime for follow-up. I am sticking by
0:05:39my guns in that I would love for this to be the case I just don't think it will
0:05:46be. Yeah we've talked about this to death I agree with you that we
0:05:52should we should let it go but clearly like something is going on here either
0:05:57they're working with multiple prototypes or they're having issues still and
0:06:01trying to hedge their bets but I agree with you I'd like to put Touch ID kind of on the
0:06:05shelf for a while and until we get closer to it you know kind of let it be.
0:06:10Yeah as you say I think it is this is an indication that Apple have been toing and throwing over
0:06:17this quite a bit because I mean I believe that everybody that thinks this thinks this
0:06:22right for good reason but I think it's probably because they've been investigating all of
0:06:26their options leading up to this point.
0:06:28I do believe, right now, they know what they're doing, right?
0:06:32But that some of this stuff maybe takes a little while to leak through all the supply
0:06:36chains.
0:06:37I'm sure that the decision has been made and we'll find out in September.
0:06:41Yeah.
0:06:42So, we also kind of have an item here about HomeKit.
0:06:46So the Wemo Bridge, which is a popular smart home product and line of products, they're
0:06:54all Wemo powered.
0:06:56is coming to HomeKit. They have announced a HomeKit bridge for both
0:07:01existing and new Wiimote devices which is really nice. You know sometimes these
0:07:05things come out and it's only for new stuff but Belkin is gonna have a
0:07:10backwards support as well. This is very similar to what Philips did for the Hue
0:07:14lights. I think initially those were sort of a separate system and they work
0:07:19with HomeKit now via a little bridge. The Hue bridge for instance you know it's
0:07:24like a little hockey puck.
0:07:25It looks kind of like an Apple TV, but it's white.
0:07:27Plugs into your network over ethernet
0:07:28and it talks to your devices
0:07:30and kind of lets everybody know what's going on.
0:07:33And so I'm excited that Belkin's doing this.
0:07:35I've stayed away from Wemo
0:07:36because like we spoke about forever ago,
0:07:39I want things that work both with HomeKit
0:07:41and the Echo products.
0:07:44And Wemo has not been able to do that,
0:07:46but now that it will, once this comes out,
0:07:47I may look at adding some different types of things
0:07:50to my network.
0:07:52I'm pleased about this because Belkin are one of the only companies that make these types of products that make them for international plugs.
0:07:59I have some wemo switches and they continue to make these products.
0:08:05So I'm pleased that they're making this.
0:08:07Right. Like, I think this is great.
0:08:08A lot of this stuff is like, it's, I wonder if there is a better way to do it than to have it all just plug into a modem.
0:08:15Like, I feel like at some point, like I'm just going to have all this, all these ethernet things just flying all over the place,
0:08:21which seems a little bit strange.
0:08:23I don't know, like it just feels kind of old school
0:08:28in a way, right, with like this new technology.
0:08:30Like I'm speaking into canisters,
0:08:32but yet there's this thing that needs
0:08:33to connect to ethernet somewhere.
0:08:35(laughing)
0:08:37- Yeah, I mean I think for most people
0:08:38it's not a huge deal because even if you use your router
0:08:41from your ISP, those things have ethernet jacks on the back,
0:08:45so you just kind of shove one of these little hockey pucks
0:08:47in with your router in the closet and you're done.
0:08:50But yeah, it is weird.
0:08:53My thought is that they just need it for the throughput and for the setup, right?
0:08:56You just plug it into Ethernet and you don't have to configure anything.
0:08:58It just gets a DHCP address.
0:09:01But I've got mine just in my network closet with my cable modem and my router.
0:09:07It's fine.
0:09:08But yeah, I'm excited about this.
0:09:10Since the last time we spoke about this, I've purchased a couple more of the iHome plugs,
0:09:16which again work with both Echo and HomeKit.
0:09:19But I think all this stuff should be universal.
0:09:24I mean, clearly, I think the ship has sailed on having one controlling standard.
0:09:28People are going to have Amazon stuff, they're going to have Apple stuff.
0:09:31Google is not really doing anything directly unless you do the home hub deal, which I don't
0:09:36really know much about.
0:09:37But it's clear that people are mixing and matching this hardware.
0:09:41Like how many iPhone users are also Echo users?
0:09:44I mean, the overlap there has got to be pretty big.
0:09:47And so if you're a developer of this stuff, I think it's only smart to support everything
0:09:52that you can.
0:09:54What I also like about this is that, I have no evidence of this, but like this is, like
0:09:59we're seeing more and more home kit stuff, it feels like over the last couple of months.
0:10:03And maybe Apple's getting through that backlog of approval.
0:10:07Maybe they've changed something so approval is easier or they have more people working
0:10:10on it to make it easier to work with partners.
0:10:12is going on it definitely feels like Apple is making ground pretty quickly on homekit
0:10:17and I think that's great.
0:10:18I don't know have we seen any more stuff especially in Europe or maybe just in Italy I feel like
0:10:23the situation hasn't improved at all in any meaningful way it's just sad.
0:10:29It's just sad and I mean we're stuck with the same basically the same set of lights
0:10:35and we don't have any compatible door locks we have one camera which is kind of okay it's
0:10:41It's not great, it's not bad, it's just a decent camera and that's about it.
0:10:46I mean I haven't seen any, you know if you look at Amazon of course you just find the
0:10:52Elgato sensors and I'm not even sure we have an Italian plug that works with HomeKit.
0:11:00I mean I don't know, I see this, even a few weeks ago Apple had this marketing push with
0:11:06the HomeKit homes, you know, these homes in California set up from scratch to be full
0:11:14of HomeKit accessories and to us that's not only a dream, like the basics, like wall plugs
0:11:23and switches, we don't have those. So I guess, yeah, maybe in the US it's improved, but whatever
0:11:30it is they're doing it's not working out internationally because again…
0:11:34Nothing's changing here.
0:11:36Yeah. Like I think in the last year, the only new things on Apple's website like to go and buy
0:11:41is the camera, that D-Link camera. Yes. And the Honeywell, there are Honeywell thermostats.
0:11:48They're the only things that have changed. That's it. Yeah. So I agree. It's like there's
0:11:54stuff happening, but there's not a lot of stuff happening internationally, but this all could be
0:11:57the same problem, right? That like if slow approvals, I mean, it's always going to be
0:12:02coming outside of the US lower.
0:12:05So maybe it will start to pick up now.
0:12:07I do think that the timing of this announcement is curious
0:12:11because from everything that I've seen,
0:12:13Belkin didn't announce a date for this product,
0:12:16just that like it's coming.
0:12:18So like I figured if they're gonna be on a slide
0:12:21or something on stage at WWDC,
0:12:25they need to let the world know
0:12:26that they're actually working with HomeKit
0:12:28before that's the case, right?
0:12:30'Cause it would be like, they would show all this stuff
0:12:32and be like, "Well, come on Belkin,
0:12:34"I don't know anything,
0:12:34"I'm gonna have to replace all of my things."
0:12:36Right, like that's the kind of thought process
0:12:38I would go through.
0:12:39But announcing this before,
0:12:41when you see them using a Wemo switch on stage or something,
0:12:44then you'll know why, because there's this HomeKit hub
0:12:47coming, that was my thinking anyway.
0:12:50- No, absolutely, I mean, anytime a company
0:12:53in the Apple ecosystem has an announcement this close
0:12:57to an event, either I think one or two things are happening.
0:13:00One, they're trying to get in the news cycle
0:13:02before they get buried for a month in WDC News.
0:13:07But two, I always think, like what you think of,
0:13:09they are part of something that's coming
0:13:11and they've got permission or they just did it
0:13:14to get the news out a little bit early.
0:13:17Now they've done this Apple,
0:13:19if there's a HomeKit section in the keynote,
0:13:21can say, hey, HomeKit's growing.
0:13:23Just last week Belkin is adding support.
0:13:25It's beneficial for both companies.
0:13:28And I have the feeling we're gonna get into our desires
0:13:33in a little while, but I have a feeling that HomeKit
0:13:35is gonna be a part of this year's announcements, no doubt.
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0:15:38A person familiar with the matter
0:15:44has told Mark Gurman that Apple is working on
0:15:46and developing a processor solely devoted to AI related tasks. Internally this is known
0:15:54as the Apple Neural Engine. It would be designed to help improve tasks such as face and speech
0:15:59recognition. Apparently, if this chip does exist, this chip would take the strain away
0:16:07from the CPU and GPU of devices when they are performing these tasks, therefore making
0:16:12improvements to battery life and overall performance whilst trying to get these tasks computed.
0:16:17Like for example, one thing I can think of is when the faces stuff is running in photos.
0:16:22This currently CPU and GPU is of course being used for this and it's why probably your phone
0:16:25gets so hot and things act weird until it's done crunching what it's going to do.
0:16:30Google has been doing something similar.
0:16:32They have, is it called the tensor processing unit, the TPU?
0:16:37But from what I've seen and from what they talk about, this stuff seems to be like put
0:16:40into servers and use for cloud infrastructure rather than being baked into actual personal
0:16:46devices.
0:16:47Steven, what do you think about this?
0:16:51It seems like a very, very Apple-like way of doing this.
0:16:55So Google is going to take this stuff and they're going to offload a lot of it to the
0:16:58cloud and the cloud is going to send it back to the device.
0:17:02But Apple really starting a couple of years ago and especially last year in the keynote
0:17:07spoke about, you know, this stuff we want to do it on device and things like differential privacy,
0:17:13you know, if we need to send stuff to the cloud, it's going to be so obscured,
0:17:16we can't we can't trace it back to any one person. But bringing more of this on device,
0:17:23really kind of frees them from that where they don't have to do stuff in the cloud,
0:17:27a they're not great at it and to they want to do it on device from the privacy angle. So Apple,
0:17:34you know, building a chip just for this is going to live inside our iOS devices
0:17:38and potentially the Mac at some point.
0:17:40I mean, it seems like, of course, that's the way Apple's going to solve it.
0:17:43Of course they're going to solve it with a custom chip.
0:17:46They're really good at custom chips. They don't want to do it in the cloud.
0:17:48They don't want to send it across the internet.
0:17:50Why not do it on device?
0:17:51So I think it's a really strong possibility that this is accurate.
0:17:57I think it makes a lot of sense to have a dedicated chip
0:18:01doing this kind of machine learning and AI tasks
0:18:05when the GPU is probably getting more intensive
0:18:10and serious augmented reality features.
0:18:13So it is my theory that maybe Apple wants to bring
0:18:17some AR APIs and features to the current generation iPhones
0:18:22and maybe the next iPhone.
0:18:24And it makes sense to dedicate those type of tasks
0:18:28that are more 3D and graphic oriented
0:18:32to delegate those tasks to the GPU
0:18:36and to have a separate chip,
0:18:38kind of like the motion coprocessor
0:18:41helps with the fitness and motion stuff.
0:18:43I think it makes a lot of sense to dedicate AI
0:18:46to a custom made piece of silicon
0:18:48that is built to handle exactly those tasks
0:18:52instead of sort of doing the work around of the GPU,
0:18:56because it's not like phones are constantly rendering out 3D graphics and managing tasks that are traditionally better equipped for GPUs.
0:19:07So a bunch of companies said, "Well, you know what? We have this chip in here and it's not like we're pushing graphics all day,
0:19:13so why don't we delegate some stuff to that chip?"
0:19:15And it makes sense, but it's not perfectly tailored to that chip.
0:19:20So it makes sense to have a new one.
0:19:22And I wonder if maybe by doing a separate chip
0:19:25that is specifically built for AI,
0:19:28Apple can do things like, well, now we can actually sync here
0:19:33recognize faces across devices.
0:19:35And I'm just theorizing here.
0:19:37It's just trying to think of why Apple might wanna do this.
0:19:42Now we can sync your stuff
0:19:43because we have this more intensive algorithm
0:19:46that associates random IDs with contacts and faces
0:19:50and pictures on your phone, and then it decrypts that information locally.
0:19:54So what we store in the cloud is just a bunch of metadata, but the actual decryption happens
0:19:59locally on the device because we have this new chip.
0:20:02There could be a way to go about it, but just in general I feel like it is better to build
0:20:07a thing with an exact purpose and with the kind of technology that you know you're going
0:20:14need instead of finding workarounds in the GPU even if it's a lot of power I
0:20:19think it's better to have a separate thing for AI which is totally Apple like
0:20:24Steven said and also push you know AR and more graphic intensive features for
0:20:32the GPU which is built for exactly graphics, camera, 3D, that type of stuff.
0:20:38So yeah this rumor makes a lot of sense to me and the name is also kind of cool.
0:20:42this is one of those things where I just kind of nod along because in my mind in
0:20:50my in my puny little mind I can't understand like why and how you could
0:20:57make a specific chip that's good for this right where it's like okay so the
0:21:02reason is so it is more efficient all right like what what happens like what
0:21:08is it like just different different sand from a different beach or something
0:21:11right? That is more acceptable to learning? Like I just can't fully process why it's better or worse?
0:21:19I think it's in how you optimize the silicon in the sense of you know you're gonna deal with tasks
0:21:26that involve for example a lot of comparisons between millions and millions of lines of text
0:21:33for example and maybe you want to have a chip that can deal better with caching that information for
0:21:38faster processing and maybe even multiple operations occurring at the same time.
0:21:43Instead of optimizing for pushing out graphics and pushing out millions of polygons, maybe you want to
0:21:48optimize the architecture of the CPU to say, "Now you gotta compare these two billions lines of text
0:21:54in under 30 seconds." And those lines of text actually represent IDs for pictures or locations
0:22:00that you need to decrypt. So maybe you want to optimize for a decryption algorithm that also
0:22:06combines this new AI chip with the new file system stuff that Apple is doing on iOS to be even faster in that comparison.
0:22:14So, you know, there's lots of smart people working on this stuff.
0:22:18Yeah.
0:22:18And I think, you know, besides the actual sand and the materials that you use, I think it's more in how,
0:22:24like when you build a car,
0:22:26it's always, you know, you're gonna use steel, you're gonna use plastic,
0:22:31But then you optimize the car whether you know, it's an off-road kind of track or maybe it's a city car
0:22:37The materials are the same but the optimizations are different
0:22:41So that's my thinking that makes a lot of sense to me
0:22:44But there's like there's still that thing where I don't want to get into this and I don't want anyone to try to explain it
0:22:48To me either but like where it's I have to make that jump into understanding how these things even work
0:22:53anyway, right like just this this pure like I
0:22:57No understanding that I have for how these tiny little pieces of silicone
0:23:02Make all of this stuff work, right? Like it's it's it's all mind-boggling to me
0:23:07But it just it gets even more so when it's like oh, no, you just make a separate chip for that
0:23:12that's like purpose made for that and I'm like
0:23:14All right
0:23:17Good work guys
0:23:19Like I'm I believe everyone can do this
0:23:22If you really think about it, like you use your phone and your iPad and your Mac and you think you know how to use them
0:23:27But in reality you really don't know what is going on. Like if you in a metaphysical bunch of abstractions
0:23:32Yeah, metaphysical sense once you get to think about you know
0:23:36There's electricity running through this piece of silicon and they're doing operations with a bunch of zeros and ones
0:23:42It doesn't really make any sense, but you know how to use it
0:23:45So I think it's you know, like you said just abstract abstract the idea of there's a separate chip
0:23:51It's like, you know, AI is getting a new t-shirt that is, you know, better fits AI.
0:23:58That's all you need to know.
0:23:59Hmm.
0:24:00Not...
0:24:03Hmm.
0:24:04Well, that explains it perfectly.
0:24:08Yeah, I think we're done with that.
0:24:09Talking about something else that looks really nice, but I also don't understand how it works.
0:24:13um, Reedle, which is a company that makes a lot of productivity focused applications
0:24:20mostly for iOS including Spark and PDF expert and document 6, scanner pro and the like.
0:24:27They have implemented their own form of drag and drop with their own applications.
0:24:33So if you use Spark and document 6 and have them in split view on an iPad, you are able
0:24:39drag-and-drop files from one to the other. Federico you had a really great
0:24:44article explaining this and going into some detail on this. This is kind of
0:24:49impressive right? Well actually no, this is really impressive.
0:24:52Yeah, it is and especially if you consider the again the workaround that
0:24:58these folks are using. So once again it is not a system-wide drag-and-drop
0:25:05It's drag and drop limited to Riedel's own apps and the way that they're doing this is clever.
0:25:10So on the iPad in Split View, they
0:25:13create a local web server. So an app creates a web server and
0:25:18if it finds
0:25:20another app of the same family, so another Riedel app on the other side of Split View,
0:25:26and if it finds that the user is starting to drag a file or a collection of files,
0:25:32It communicates through this web server. So imagine there's like a website, but it's locally on your device
0:25:38and it communicates information between the app on the left and the app on the right and it tells well the user is dragging so
0:25:44represent this action with a drag and drop and
0:25:47It looks like you're dragging a file from left to right and vice versa
0:25:51But in actually if you pay attention, you can see how the file doesn't really
0:25:55jump over the Split View divider
0:25:58it just transitions very smoothly, but it transitions from the edge of the UI on the left to the other edge of the UI on the right.
0:26:08So the little vertical black line between the two apps, it doesn't pass over that.
0:26:13And that's because it's not taking over the iOS interface, it's just moving across apps.
0:26:19But that kind of illusion, it's very hard to break and you've got to really go look for it, because it's really well done.
0:26:27And the way that you can now move files from the email to PDF expert for example
0:26:34Or you know a few days ago
0:26:36I was talking to my accountant and I needed to share like five PDFs and usually what I do is I
0:26:41zip them up in a single archive and I import the the single file in my email client because it's easier and because we all
0:26:48Know that on iOS dealing with multiple files at once kind of sucks. So
0:26:54Now with Spark and PDF export and even documents I can just grab the actual documents and you know
0:27:00Drop them one by one
0:27:02Into my email message that I'm working on. It just makes a lot of sense
0:27:07I mean we've talked about this when when I did the iOS 11 concept and
0:27:11Now that I've tried an unofficial but also real implementation of this
0:27:18I continue to think it makes a lot of sense to have drag and drop on the iPad in Split View
0:27:22It just feels natural and all the arguments that well, you know, drag and drop is meant for desktop computers
0:27:29I think it actually makes more sense and it's more fun to use
0:27:33On an iPad with multi touch and you know, maybe we're getting an official version next week fingers crossed. Yeah this this
0:27:41This is great, but it hurts me because I don't use readers applications
0:27:46So it makes me more and more sad that it exists right like I've downloaded documents and spark now
0:27:52So I have them as a specific tool set for when I do something like dragging three attachments, right?
0:27:59Because I prefer airmail to spark
0:28:02I prefer PDF pen and I prefer just using something like Dropbox like I don't use an app like
0:28:09Documents right like I don't use anything like that
0:28:12Which is an app that kind of brings together a bunch of different files and you can use it for stuff
0:28:17that is one that I have on my iPad anyway,
0:28:20just in case I need to unzip something,
0:28:23but I don't typically use an application like that.
0:28:26So now it's like, ah, every time I use it,
0:28:29I'm like, ah, this is so good,
0:28:31but I feel this internal struggle
0:28:32because they're just not the apps that I like to use.
0:28:35And the reason is, is the apps that I do use,
0:28:37I'm very used to them,
0:28:38and I'm used to their specific way that things are done,
0:28:41and I have no reason to move from them.
0:28:43I really like Air Mail.
0:28:46I like airmail a lot, airmail also frustrates me but the things I like about airmail outweigh
0:28:51it which will be my, I think my eternal review of airmail, like that will remain for as long
0:28:56as I use that application is that it does things that drive me bonkers but also the
0:29:02stuff that it does right, nobody else does it so that's why I use it.
0:29:07So it's frustrating to me that it's like this functionality is there and I want to be able
0:29:12to have it all the time. They did a fantastic job of it. It feels perfect, right? Like it
0:29:17feels natural. It doesn't feel like anything's happening other than the fact of me dragging
0:29:20from one to the other. Like it's mind-blowing to me how they got the little transition thing
0:29:25to work so well because it looks perfect. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Something
0:29:31that I cannot reconcile in my head is that this got through App Review and I can't work
0:29:37out why. I'll tell you why. So here's my thinking. This is super close to WWDC. So does this
0:29:46mean that Apple's super cool with the idea of drag and drop because they're about to
0:29:51do it? Or are they super cool with it because they're not going to? Right, like if Apple
0:29:55was just about to debut drag and drop, would they let this through?
0:30:00Well, the current argument is if Apple is about to do drag and drop and they reject the app,
0:30:09now everybody's gonna think, oh well, Apple is gonna do drag and drop and they don't want
0:30:13Readdle to have their own thing.
0:30:14Yeah, but a super easy way of getting around that is just like they didn't like the way
0:30:19that Readdle was doing it, right?
0:30:21Like they're setting up these web servers between the applications.
0:30:25How can you have an opinion if you don't have an official way to do it?
0:30:29it's not like they're breaking any rules. Apps can create local web servers.
0:30:32I mean Apple has lots of opinions about things it's never gonna do when it comes
0:30:36to app review, right? Like screen recording applications. Let's just assume
0:30:40that they're never gonna do those for one, right? Like that could be one thing.
0:30:42Or emulators, right?
0:30:45Yeah, but you could have the privacy and the copyright arguments there.
0:30:49What's the argument against the user is wiping a file in an app?
0:30:54Well, I'm just saying, like it could be they could say security, right?
0:30:56that they think that there is a security risk,
0:30:58which I assume that there isn't
0:31:00with these web servers being set up, right?
0:31:03'Cause you know, who's looking at them,
0:31:04who's got access to them, I don't know how it works,
0:31:06but let's just imagine there's some way
0:31:07that something strange could happen.
0:31:09So when I see something like this,
0:31:11I'm like I can't work out in my head
0:31:12whether it's good or bad, that it's there,
0:31:15like from the opinion of App Review,
0:31:17or you know, it's just the case of like,
0:31:19it passed all the tests, App Review have no idea
0:31:22about whether drag or drop's coming,
0:31:24so they let it through, right?
0:31:25That is what I hope is the most likely answer,
0:31:29but it's just curious to me.
0:31:32- Yeah, I don't think it's unusual.
0:31:33Also, there's a third possibility,
0:31:35which is something that I've heard from a few developers
0:31:38over the past year of App Review,
0:31:40approving some possibly controversial feature
0:31:45with the promise that you're gonna not remove,
0:31:49but adjust the feature within the next few months.
0:31:53So this happened before, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of, I don't
0:31:59want to say deal between them, but maybe a mutual agreement of, "I'm gonna let you do
0:32:06drag and drop, but when the time comes, you're gonna have to support the official version
0:32:13that we're doing."
0:32:14I don't know.
0:32:15Curious.
0:32:16Yeah, I guess.
0:32:17We're never gonna know anyway.
0:32:20All right, gentlemen.
0:32:22The time has come, we need to talk about WWDC because it's happening next week. And of course
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0:34:21Steven, establish the rules please.
0:34:26Okay, so as we have said a couple times, these are not official predictions.
0:34:32We decided to go for wishes, and so this isn't necessarily what we think will happen.
0:34:37This is what we would like to happen, if that distinction makes any sense at all.
0:34:41I think it does.
0:34:42Well, it's like these are the things that we really wish Apple would come out with,
0:34:47but we don't necessarily believe they're going to do them all.
0:34:50Which is how I feel for most of my picks.
0:34:52Or it could be a contest of who's gonna be the happiest in the end.
0:34:59Mmm, yeah, that's interesting.
0:35:01So like nobody, I mean there isn't a winner in the idea that like we're competing here,
0:35:05But the person who gets the most of this right will just be more happy in life.
0:35:10We should mock up like a happy-ometer with our faces on it.
0:35:17With all the dials that go around, you know, like an applause thing.
0:35:21You know, like when you get it empty.
0:35:24Please clap now.
0:35:26Oh, poor Jeb.
0:35:29Alright, so we have broken this into four categories.
0:35:35Mac OS, hardware, and what I very descriptively called "other". Yeah that
0:35:43was so helpful when I went to the document. Yeah, you know, other stuff.
0:35:48Stuff that's not the other things. And so we're gonna, our order will change
0:35:52each time, but we're gonna start with iOS and Federico that means that we start
0:35:57with you. Alright, so what I would like to have and what Apple is probably never
0:36:05gonna do is to have a more integrated and consolidated family sharing
0:36:10experience on iOS all in one place. I would love to have a single app, a single
0:36:16dashboard of all my family members and where we can see our reminders, our
0:36:21calendar events, what is coming up, maybe even having an embedded iMessage
0:36:26conversation where we can share photos, view photos taken at specific
0:36:34events or locations, share memories or albums from the Photos app.
0:36:38And even as an administrator, I would love to be able to manage other people's
0:36:43storage, buy them subscriptions for iCloud or for Apple Music.
0:36:48So to have a single place where I can invite family members and I can manage all of
0:36:55their information instead of having to do this in a bunch of different places and a bunch
0:36:58of different apps. I love to keep the apps as the repositories of that data.
0:37:04So iCloud Drive, Photos, but also to have a single place called the Family App or
0:37:09whatever, where I can go in there and see all in one place.
0:37:14Both from a consuming media perspective but also from an administrator
0:37:21perspective to manage subscriptions, accounts, resetting passwords, you know
0:37:27that kind of stuff. And Sylvia and I, we've been using Picnic to share todos,
0:37:35calendar events, and to have the... and it's exactly this type of dashboard, you
0:37:38know, you get these tiles of calendar events, tasks, you can assign them,
0:37:43assign them to each other, view what is coming up on each other's calendar, and
0:37:47it's very handy. There's even an embedded chat thing going on. And I would love to
0:37:52have an official Apple take on this. Instead of having to use a third-party
0:37:55It makes subtle sense because Apple has the hooks to this stuff already with family sharing.
0:38:00It's just very scattered shot and it's inconsistent and I would love to just have a single app and a single dashboard to manage and view all of this.
0:38:08Yeah, I think there's a lot they could do with the family sharing, especially in the photo library thing, but we'll get to that in a minute.
0:38:17it. Alright so I am up next in our robin of round and I would like to see additional software
0:38:27functionality for the Apple Pencil. So one of the things that was spoken about, like
0:38:33Fraser was talking about it quite a lot in the episode of Canvas that we alluded to earlier
0:38:37on and he mentioned one thing which is system wide mark up which I think would be really
0:38:41cool and I've imagined this before I think I spoke about this in the past like that you
0:38:44You would for example invoke the multitasking or the split view picker and there would be
0:38:48a button there that you could press which would basically freeze the screen, you know,
0:38:54or whatever, you'd be able to choose an application.
0:38:57And then just draw straight on it, press done and you just get something saved straight
0:39:01to your photos app that you could share somewhere else.
0:39:03So you're just able to draw around and very easily just mark up the screen that you're
0:39:07looking at.
0:39:08It's a very simple feature but it would be a good feature for a lot of people, especially
0:39:12people working in design, right? Like I think it would be a really good use of the Apple
0:39:17Pencil because you know the markup functionality exists within a couple of applications on
0:39:22iOS and I think it would be really nice if you could just do it wherever you wanted.
0:39:27Even just enhancing this and putting this into more applications like Safari for example
0:39:32to even just get a markup feature I think would be really cool. Outside of that I think
0:39:37it would be a nice addition for the Apple Pencil to be able to invoke 3D touch on iOS
0:39:47on the iPad. Because it would be a little work around, right? The Apple Pencil has the
0:39:54ability to sense force rather than the screen. So why not just have that functionality exposed
0:40:02via the use of the Apple Pencil. None of these 3D touch actions are not mandatory on the
0:40:07the iPad because it can't support it. But if you have a device which can sense pressure,
0:40:12why not enable this stuff in the UI and have it accessible with the Apple Pencil. I don't
0:40:17see what you'd be losing with that. I think it would be a benefit for people like me who
0:40:21use the Apple Pencil in this way. Lastly, I would really like to see some APIs and maybe
0:40:28like a framework or whatever you would call it which Apple could create for other applications
0:40:33to take advantage of in the way that it's Federico is it called ink the hand
0:40:37like the detect the handwriting thing with the Apple pencil is that what they
0:40:41call it in iOS yeah I think so so whatever it is that Newton kit no I
0:40:47don't think it's called that but it's a good name for it whatever it is in iOS
0:40:51that developers can take advantage of that allows them to have like the really
0:40:55smooth drawing right like that came with the Apple pencil I would like to see
0:40:59something like this created for handwriting to text conversion so you
0:41:02you could take some notes and then have them converted into text which could be copied
0:41:07and put into other applications. I would like to see Apple do this so we can get a consistent
0:41:11thing across apps rather than people trying to do it themselves with varying degrees of
0:41:16success, right? So I think it would be nice to see if Apple could do something like this
0:41:20themselves. So for example, I would be--and as I like to do, I like to take calls, you
0:41:25know, whenever I take calls, I like to use something like Notability to take notes of
0:41:28of the call, but then I would like to be able to maybe copy and paste some of the text in
0:41:32Slack or something to share with somebody. I think it would be really nice to have a
0:41:37system-wide feature as well, or like an API which people could take advantage of, which
0:41:41would allow for this to be expanded. I think that would be really nice.
0:41:45Yeah, these are all great wishes, Myke. Thank you, Federico.
0:41:52My first one is improvements to mail.
0:41:55So unlike Myke, I don't use Airmail, I don't use Spark.
0:41:59Really no third party email client has ever really stuck for me.
0:42:02I keep finding myself going back to mail.
0:42:05And I think that out of like all of the software Apple has ever shipped on iOS, mail has gotten
0:42:12the least number of changes over the years.
0:42:15It is very, very similar to what it was even at launch a long time ago.
0:42:21And I think that's time to change.
0:42:22I think there's a reason that third-party mail apps that are experiencing this big boon
0:42:26right now that people want more features.
0:42:29People want things like snoozing and smart mailboxes and the ability to attach multiple
0:42:34documents or to, you know, easily share with other services.
0:42:39And right now mail just doesn't do any of that.
0:42:41It's very basic.
0:42:42It's very old.
0:42:44And I think it's time that Apple do that.
0:42:48And one thing I would really like them to bring over is contact management.
0:42:51So in Mail on the Mac, you have things like your previous recipient's panel.
0:42:57So if you haven't saved someone as a contact, you can scroll that list and find their email
0:43:02address.
0:43:03Conversely, if you email somebody and their email address changes, you can tell Mail,
0:43:08"Hey, don't auto-complete this address anymore.
0:43:13You know, pull the one from the contact record."
0:43:15And that sort of stuff is really helpful on the Mac when you do a lot of email like I
0:43:18do and having some of those tools available on iOS would really be nice.
0:43:24And to see Apple move mail kind of into the 21st century would be really exciting for
0:43:30me.
0:43:34My next one is about Siri.
0:43:36I would love to have more SiriKit on iOS and just new ways to talk to Siri.
0:43:43When it comes to apps, I think we should have more "domains" as they're called.
0:43:48I should be able to talk to Siri and control podcasts from other apps like Overcast, for example.
0:43:55I would love to play my cue or a specific episode using Siri.
0:43:59It would be great to have task management support so I can create tasks in Todoist or OmniFocus
0:44:07instead of just reminders. Note taking support, calendar events for third-party
0:44:13apps. In general I would love to see a deeper integration of SiriKit across all
0:44:19the different kinds of apps that we can have on iOS. Because you know the few
0:44:23times that I've used SiriKit and it's not been a lot of times but for example
0:44:28I need to send a WhatsApp message or I even tried it with PayPal a couple of
0:44:33times. It's really nice so I would love to get support for more different kinds
0:44:38of apps. And the second part of this wish is a way to talk to Siri using text.
0:44:45We've seen some companies doing this. I think Cortana has a proper text mode and
0:44:52definitely the Google Assistant which is now also on the iPhone with an app as a
0:44:56keyboard mode where you can type and you can have like a message conversation
0:45:01with the assistant.
0:45:02And it works.
0:45:03You know, we're not arguing here about the merits
0:45:06and the problems of the Google Assistant,
0:45:09but the idea of I cannot talk right now,
0:45:11but I want you to do stuff on my behalf,
0:45:15I think it totally works.
0:45:16And I think there should be a way to talk to Siri,
0:45:20which knows a lot about me as access
0:45:22to a lot of my personal data on my iPhone.
0:45:25And there should be a way to talk to Siri
0:45:27when I cannot actually speak aloud.
0:45:30So whether it's embedded in iMessage with a dedicated Siri recipient or Siri thread,
0:45:38or if it's a keyboard mode in the default Siri UI, I don't care.
0:45:43I would just love to have a way to bring up Siri and instead of talking, using the keyboard
0:45:51to type my messages and to respond to Siri by typing instead of talking.
0:45:58I think it makes sense too.
0:46:00to be able to do that.
0:46:01- I agree with the typing thing.
0:46:03I think especially if we're going to the future
0:46:05that is predicted for AI assistants,
0:46:09we should be able to ask them complex things
0:46:14that we will be able to get answers for quickly
0:46:16just by typing a question to them, right?
0:46:18Like right now, if you're able to type the question to Siri,
0:46:23you can get the answer you need by typing it somewhere else
0:46:27for the majority of things, right?
0:46:29Like if one of the things that you do to Siri is ask for your sports scores, if the phone's
0:46:33in your hand and you can type to Siri, you can probably just go to Google, right?
0:46:37And get it.
0:46:38But I'm talking like, I think we should have this now so it can be more useful in the future.
0:46:43You know, like for example, even something like sending money, you know, you can do this
0:46:47stuff with Siri where you can send money.
0:46:48I think it would probably be quicker for me to just pull down Siri or press the Siri app
0:46:52or whatever it is and just type like, "Send $5 to Kyle."
0:46:56will probably be quicker than navigating through the Square app.
0:47:03Or like if I imagine PayPal, right? So I had to send money to somebody with PayPal on the iOS app yesterday.
0:47:07It took ages. So many times.
0:47:10Oh yes, I agree with you. Okay, okay, okay. I think you meant the opposite.
0:47:14No, no, I mean it would be quicker to just type to Siri and say like, "Send $25 to Federico."
0:47:20Like that is quicker.
0:47:21- Oh yes, totally.
0:47:22- It took so long for me to send $20 to myself
0:47:26to another PayPal account.
0:47:27Like that was what I needed to do
0:47:28from my business account to my personal account.
0:47:30And it took forever.
0:47:32So they're the more complicated things.
0:47:34And I think as what you can do with Siri
0:47:36becomes more and more complicated,
0:47:38it will be quicker to do it.
0:47:39Like for example, I love Fantastical.
0:47:42Many people love Fantastical
0:47:44because you could just type your events in.
0:47:46Because like if you wanna open a calendar app
0:47:49and add an event just by tapping on things.
0:47:51It takes ages, right?
0:47:53Like to set all of the stuff you have to set.
0:47:55But if you just type it in as a sentence, it's really quick.
0:47:59So that's why I think it would be useful
0:48:00to have the ability to type in Siri
0:48:03is because eventually as these things
0:48:04get more and more complex, it's quicker to just ask it.
0:48:07And sometimes you can't speak.
0:48:09So I agree with you completely.
0:48:10But like I think like a lot of people are like,
0:48:12"Oh, why would you wanna type to an assistant?"
0:48:14That's why, as things get more and more complicated,
0:48:16it's quicker to do it than in any other way.
0:48:18My second pick, or my final pick for iOS,
0:48:23something that I feel like I have asked for every year,
0:48:26and I'm just gonna keep asking for it,
0:48:28which is improvements to notifications.
0:48:30So one thing that I would like to see,
0:48:32and just, this is purely selfish, right,
0:48:34'cause if we're measuring on the happyometer,
0:48:36is the return of the ability to group notifications
0:48:39in the notification center by app, not just chronologically.
0:48:42I will never understand why they took this away.
0:48:45It makes me sad every single day
0:48:47because I just get this huge list of things
0:48:51and all I really want to do is just be able to see
0:48:53X and Y application and clear the rest,
0:48:55but I can't do that.
0:48:56I have to go through the whole massive list
0:48:59if I want to see all my notifications.
0:49:01The thing that I continue to ask for,
0:49:02which I'll ask for here,
0:49:04is the ability to give developers more control
0:49:08over where notifications can get sent.
0:49:10We have two devices.
0:49:12We have the watch and we have the phone.
0:49:15And currently, all you can do is say blanket yes or no
0:49:20by device for where notifications get sent.
0:49:24So if I want to get Tweetbot notifications to my phone,
0:49:29and to my phone, I wanna see mentions
0:49:31from my friends and DMs,
0:49:33I also have to get those to my watch
0:49:35if I want any Tweetbot notifications at all.
0:49:38I would like to see the ability for inside of applications
0:49:41for me to be able to choose,
0:49:43Some go to my phone, some go to my watch.
0:49:46So some other examples of this would be,
0:49:48let's say Slack for example.
0:49:49So I have many channels in a Slack.
0:49:51Let's say that there's one channel
0:49:53where I wanna get notifications on my phone or on my iPad
0:49:57for everything that happens in a specific channel
0:49:59because it's important, right?
0:50:01But if people are getting into a conversation,
0:50:04I don't want that buzz in my wrist
0:50:05because that conversation is not important then, right?
0:50:10Like I only ever want it to buzz me
0:50:12for when somebody would send me a DM or say my,
0:50:14like mention my name or something, right?
0:50:16I would like to see that sort of thing.
0:50:18So I could split these notifications up.
0:50:20So like only the most critical get sent to my watch,
0:50:24but my other iOS devices can still receive
0:50:27more notifications because it's less intrusive.
0:50:30Another one would be messages, right?
0:50:32So let's say with messages,
0:50:33all notifications for all the messages that I receive
0:50:36go to my phone or my iPad,
0:50:37but just VIPs to my watch because they're the people
0:50:39that I only really want to be buzzing my wrist.
0:50:42So that's the type of stuff that I would like for the ability for developers to let you
0:50:48push different types of applications to different places.
0:50:51This is a superpower user feature, right?
0:50:52Something that a lot of people are not going to use.
0:50:56But then just don't, you know, everything just defaults as it does now.
0:50:59But I would love to see Apple really take further steps with understanding that one
0:51:04of the big features for a lot of people with this device that they created that we strapped
0:51:07to our bodies is to receive notifications and giving developers the ability to allow
0:51:13us to have more control over that would be great.
0:51:16I also saw an Android O feature that I really want, dots and they're long pressed for notifications
0:51:21so they don't do badges, they do dots and the dots don't have numbers on them, oh my
0:51:26gosh would I love that for notification badges to not have numbers on them, for them just
0:51:31to be a color, that's all I want.
0:51:33Oh I want to know something's in there, I don't want to know I've got 20 emails right,
0:51:37that's just me, I don't like the number, I like the visual notification. But what I also like is
0:51:42that when you see something that has a dot, you can 3D touch or long touch or whatever it is called
0:51:47in Android, and it gives in the little expanded pop-up, it shows you the notification for that
0:51:53application. That makes so much sense to me, right? Like if I've cleared all of the notifications from
0:52:00the notifications center, but I have a badge which has four on it, I have to open the application to
0:52:05to see what those notifications are about. I would love for it to just long
0:52:08press and just seal the notifications right there within the 3D Touch menu.
0:52:12That would be cool. Apple is probably just gonna keep the numeric badge but
0:52:17also show you notifications from the app when you 3D Touch. I would like, I mean
0:52:22yeah, out of those things I would prefer the 3D Touch action more than the badge
0:52:27change. But then you get a bunch of menus like you get the shortcuts and the
0:52:32widget and the notifications.
0:52:33- Yeah, but you can get rid of the shortcuts
0:52:35'cause nobody uses them.
0:52:36- Really?
0:52:38I use them all the time.
0:52:39- What do you use the shortcuts for?
0:52:41- To create a new task in Todoist,
0:52:44to open my recent WhatsApp conversations,
0:52:48- All right, okay. - To change teams with Slack.
0:52:50- Okay, you've made your point, you've made your point.
0:52:53What about then?
0:52:54- All the time.
0:52:55- Getting rid of the widgets?
0:52:57- That I could agree with.
0:52:59- Okay, cool.
0:53:00All I needed was something.
0:53:01get rid of the widgets and show notifications and stuff.
0:53:03- Or have it be an option.
0:53:04- That I could agree with that.
0:53:07I'd miss the recent chats from WhatsApp, but you know.
0:53:12Yeah, okay.
0:53:15- I chuckled that you used Slack as an example
0:53:17because you still can't reply to a notification.
0:53:20- Yeah, that sucks, I know.
0:53:21- Come on guys, come on.
0:53:24What are you doing?
0:53:25You're making threads, do this instead.
0:53:28So my last one to round up iOS is multi-user support on iPad
0:53:35for normal human beings.
0:53:37So with iOS 9.3, with the classroom app,
0:53:40you can have multi-user support for iPads in schools.
0:53:43There's a lot of stuff you have to do to make that work.
0:53:47It'd be nice to see this come to just regular old iOS
0:53:52with the next version without needing a Mac OS server,
0:53:57without needing Apple Classroom, but to have it basically
0:54:02like on the Mac, where you have multiple users,
0:54:04and each user on iOS would have their own apps
0:54:07and their own Touch ID login and their own settings.
0:54:10Obviously, there would need to be some sort of system
0:54:12requirements for this.
0:54:13I could see this only being available
0:54:15if you have 64 gigs of storage or more, perhaps.
0:54:21Probably only on newer iPads.
0:54:23But I think we've talked about it on the show,
0:54:26as a person with kids in the house and they use iPads.
0:54:31It would be nice to have this set up where
0:54:34if they're using my wife's iPad for something for school,
0:54:37they don't go in there and delete all of her email
0:54:39or remove an app accidentally or something.
0:54:41So this really seems like all the pieces are there,
0:54:45it's been locked away for education,
0:54:47and they can make it work as a standalone feature.
0:54:50I think it would be really, really nice
0:54:52for those of us who have sort of shared iPads at home.
0:54:55- All right, moving on to Mac OS.
0:54:57Steven, you have destroyed the idea of round robin
0:54:59and you're going first again.
0:55:01- Yes.
0:55:02No, I told you, I opened this saying,
0:55:05the order changes in each section
0:55:07based on who cares about what the most.
0:55:08So Federico is last in the Mac OS section.
0:55:10- I don't think that's how round robin works.
0:55:12Like this is a series of individual round robins.
0:55:14I'm not comfortable about that.
0:55:16- It's like Russian nesting dolls of round robins.
0:55:20It's like, you crack one open,
0:55:21there's another round robin inside.
0:55:23Crack it open, there's a smaller round robin inside.
0:55:25round robins all the way down. So up first on Mac OS I have the breaking up of
0:55:34iTunes and this is not necessarily a new idea but it's I think it's high time
0:55:40that Mac OS adopts the iOS approach to Apple media stores and consumption where
0:55:48on iOS you have the music app, you have the TV app, you have the podcast app, you
0:55:56also still have the iTunes store app which there is like some real weirdness
0:56:01if you haven't used the TV app on iOS heavily like just try it for like a
0:56:05couple of weeks try to buy media through it try to like manage your media through it.
0:56:08It's really weird in places I still find myself purchasing stuff in the iTunes
0:56:15store app and then just watching it in TV. Maybe it's just me but they can clean all
0:56:18that up. But that makes a lot of sense on iOS, you sort of have these siloed apps, and
0:56:23they all talk to their own stores. But iTunes on the Mac, they haven't done that. And you
0:56:28basically have a tab for each of these things in iTunes. And if you're in the TV mode, and
0:56:33you hit the store button, you go to the TV store, or if you're in the podcast section,
0:56:37and you hit the store button you take into the podcast directory, I think it's time to
0:56:41break that up. The way I see this happening is very much like it is on iOS
0:56:46where you have the music app which is both local and Apple music stuff, TV your
0:56:52TV and movies being there and then it could sync all that you know your
0:56:55provider stuff like it does an iOS and the Apple TV, the Apple podcast app
0:57:00coming to the Mac and really the only kind of question mark I have here is
0:57:05what about people who still sync devices to a Mac?
0:57:11And I know that listeners of the show may laugh at that, but a lot of people still do
0:57:14it.
0:57:15And I think that Apple still has to accommodate those users.
0:57:19People still use iPods.
0:57:20People still use this stuff.
0:57:22And maybe that's in the music app, or my thought is there's maybe even a fourth syncing app
0:57:27that you plug your phone in and it knows about all these apps, it can talk to them, and you
0:57:32can select what you want on your device.
0:57:34Again, not everybody uses this.
0:57:35It's not something Apple has to support forever.
0:57:37But I still think a lot of people do this today.
0:57:40And I think there needs to be some way to do that.
0:57:43Things like backing up your iOS device to a computer.
0:57:46Or if your iOS device has fallen into DFU mode,
0:57:51the only way to put iOS back on it is through a computer.
0:57:54You can't do that just with a device.
0:57:56And so there are cases where you still
0:57:58need to attach an iPhone or an iPad to a Mac.
0:58:00And so there needs to be some sort of Sync App,
0:58:03Apple used to have iSync, they could bring that name back.
0:58:06Some sort of app in the middle to kind of manage this
0:58:09when you need it, but for those of us who don't need that,
0:58:12you can just use the music, TV, and podcast app
0:58:14and not ever plug your device in,
0:58:16but some utility there for those who need it,
0:58:18I think would be a necessity still.
0:58:21- Well, one way you could do that with the devices thing
0:58:25is just not to get rid of iTunes,
0:58:28but it just lives somewhere in a folder
0:58:30like how old GarageBand stuff is, right?
0:58:33Like, that they up-- or iMovie.
0:58:34You know, they have a history of this.
0:58:36They update an application so far away from the current users
0:58:40that they just put it in a folder and just hide it.
0:58:43It's there, but don't pay any attention to it.
0:58:45They could just do that with iTunes.
0:58:46So you could continue to keep plugging stuff in and using it,
0:58:49but you actually never really use it unless you need it.
0:58:55Yeah, so I think that's definitely--
0:58:57that's the easiest way out, right?
0:58:58You just stick it in the utilities folder
0:59:00and it's there forever.
0:59:01which would be fine.
0:59:02Jason said this on Upgrade yesterday,
0:59:05this idea of Mac OS is a very mature product.
0:59:10I think all of us struggle to come up with things for this.
0:59:13- So bad. - I wrote an article
0:59:14predicting things in 10.13 and it was a struggle.
0:59:18This would be a way to sort of mitigate that,
0:59:20that hey, 10.13 comes with all new media apps.
0:59:24And yes, that's not part of the OS itself,
0:59:28but neither is something like Mail or Safari,
0:59:29and that always gets headlines when they have a male Safari update for the Mac.
0:59:33So I think this works to cover Mac OS 10.13 maybe being a little bit of a bummer OS
0:59:40because it's really solid now and it's hard to come up with new things.
0:59:43I think this would be fine to sort of lump in there altogether.
0:59:46>> All right.
0:59:48So I went with two different picks, right?
0:59:51And my picks are weighted in certain ways.
0:59:54I'm picking my first one because I know that the people
0:59:57that will be made happy by me talking about this are the same people that will be irate
1:00:03by my second pick. Just bear this in mind everyone, that when you hear my second pick,
1:00:09remember I said this first thing which you might like, because the second thing you probably
1:00:13want. First pick is some changes to the Mac App Store. So I think it would be really nice
1:00:19and really great and would be a good idea for Apple to make a compelling case again
1:00:24for Mac developers to actually put their software in the store. I think that they should make
1:00:28the business model better in some way, right? Like they maybe could make the deal a little
1:00:32bit sweeter in developers favor. They should relax some of the sandboxing restrictions,
1:00:37right? Just understand that like apps are different on the Mac to iOS, right? And they're
1:00:42just gonna be. I think that they should also do something to try and make the application
1:00:46better. I was doing some updates the other day and like it's just so bad, right? Like
1:00:52Not only is this the App Store, it's also like where system updates happen.
1:00:55And I will be like, OK, press install and then no UI changes.
1:00:58It's so buggy.
1:00:59But if I go to the purchase tab, I can see that stuff's happening.
1:01:02Great. No, that's good.
1:01:03That's where I want all of my updates to be occurring.
1:01:06Like you go to the purchases tab. That makes sense.
1:01:08So bad. Just so bad.
1:01:11Like App Stores themselves,
1:01:14there are lots of conveniences for customers and developers.
1:01:17And I personally miss that on Mac OS, right?
1:01:20Like the idea of like, okay, so I bought this application
1:01:23and I have to save the serial number
1:01:25in case I get a new computer
1:01:27and then I need to put the serial number in again.
1:01:29Like I don't like any of that.
1:01:30Like I like to be able to just go to the app store
1:01:32and redownload stuff, know that I've got them
1:01:34on like the two Macs that I have, right?
1:01:36Like it's easy and that all of my updates come to me.
1:01:40All of my updates are gonna come to me
1:01:41without being infected by horrific malware, right?
1:01:45Which is a trend right now.
1:01:47like I really would prefer to get all of my stuff from the Mac App Store for the reasons
1:01:53that I like the App Store. So I think it would be good to see Apple really like just walk
1:01:58back a lot of the stuff that they did just to make it easier for developers and for the
1:02:03convenience and safety of their customers.
1:02:05Yeah, because if the result of the Mac App Store is people still going to websites to
1:02:09download apps because those apps cannot be on the Mac App Store and those apps bring
1:02:14malware onto your Mac, well, did you really fix any problems with the Mac App Store and
1:02:18set-boxing?
1:02:19No, not at all.
1:02:20If basically by enacting some rules and people resort to the old ways and now everybody has
1:02:27a problem, do the rules really work in your favor?
1:02:31So yeah, I agree.
1:02:33Anyway, is it my turn now for...
1:02:36Yeah.
1:02:37It's your turn.
1:02:39Can I not just agree with what your guys are gonna say about the Mac?
1:02:42Yeah.
1:02:43No, no wishes for Mac OS at all.
1:02:47Okay, I'm just gonna, I can do this one out of respect and especially I'm doing it for
1:02:55my girlfriend.
1:02:56It would be nice to have, she's a Mac user, it would be nice to have HomeKit access on
1:03:03the Mac.
1:03:04And I mean, I will never use it, but I understand why it could be useful to, I don't know if
1:03:10it's gonna be Control Center or some other widget or a home app on the Mac.
1:03:15I cannot see a home app happening on the Mac, it just feels IOS-y to me in a way.
1:03:22But it could be useful to have some way to turn off the lights and to control your homekit
1:03:28accessories on the Mac.
1:03:29And especially I guess it makes sense to use, especially desktop Macs, they're always gonna
1:03:36to be plugged in, whether it's the future Mac Pro or the Mac Mini if it's still around
1:03:42or an iMac, to use them as HomeKit servers.
1:03:45You know, you can use the iPad and you can use the Apple TV as remote hubs.
1:03:49And I mean, I use it all the time.
1:03:52The only reason why I keep my Apple TV plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi is to be able to
1:03:56access my HomeKit stuff when I'm not at home over 4G.
1:03:59So it could be useful for people who have desktop Macs to leave their Macs running and
1:04:03connected to the internet so the HomeKit accessories can still be accessed
1:04:07remotely and managed remotely. So yeah that could be nice I think.
1:04:14Yeah I'm definitely in favor of that. You know I've got a bunch of HomeKit stuff
1:04:19and it'd be nice to have a widget over there in the Today View. I would jump in
1:04:24and say as someone who does use Mac the whole Today Widget View notification
1:04:32center on Mac OS is real hot garbage. Like it's impossible to understand what
1:04:37tab you're in. Even in dark mode it's bright white. The widget picker thing is
1:04:43sort of buggy and sort of hard to use at times. I think hey when you're making a
1:04:47homekit widget put some thought into how this thing actually
1:04:52actually works and looks because it feels really grafted on right now. So I
1:05:00I guess I'm up next and I'm going to go deep nerdy on this and I'm going to say a more
1:05:06powerful time machine.
1:05:08And so I'm going to talk about the file system.
1:05:10So you boys just buckle up.
1:05:12It's going to be fun.
1:05:14APFS includes two technologies that I think could really make like time machine two, call
1:05:22it that, much more powerful for Mac users.
1:05:26And those are snapshots and better indexing.
1:05:29So I think Time Machine could become faster and more flexible.
1:05:32Right now if you want a bootable backup, so if you have a bootable backup, basically what
1:05:36that means is if my iMac dies, I can plug that USB drive into my MacBook Pro, I can
1:05:41hold down Option and I can boot from that external drive and it's just like I'm on my
1:05:45iMac.
1:05:47It's very helpful for troubleshooting, it's very helpful to have a backup like that in
1:05:51case something goes terribly wrong.
1:05:52A lot of nerdy people use bootable backups as a second tier to Time Machine, so they
1:05:58time machine but then they also have a bootable backup, that's what I do. In addition to something
1:06:02like backblaze which you should use as well. But right now you have to use a third party
1:06:08utility like super duper or carbon copy cloner to make these bootable backups. And as far
1:06:16as I'm aware the snapshotting feature in APFS could make it possible that time machine could
1:06:21offer something like that. The time machine backups could become bootable. Right now if
1:06:25If you have a time machine backup, the only way to get that data off is to restore it
1:06:30via the time machine utility or to do it as part of a new max setup.
1:06:37And so it's kind of limiting what you can do with that data.
1:06:41I'm also would be very curious and very interested to see if APFS would give Apple the ability
1:06:49to restore to multiple points in a time machine backup.
1:06:53So right now, if my last Time Machine drive, or my last Time Machine backup was three days
1:07:01ago, but for some reason I need to restore a computer to the state it was in seven days
1:07:06ago, I can't do that.
1:07:07I can only restore to the most recent complete backup.
1:07:13And APFS and Time Machine 2 could allow the ability to do that.
1:07:18So I could pick what point in time I want to restore to.
1:07:22that's not something most people need,
1:07:24but it's something that could become useful
1:07:27in certain situations.
1:07:28And so I fully expect to see APFS as part of 10.13.
1:07:32They basically have said that,
1:07:32that it's coming this year to the Mac.
1:07:34But I would like to see them revisit Time Machine
1:07:37and make it more powerful for those people
1:07:38who need more options.
1:07:40And even if it just means it's more reliable and faster,
1:07:44then that's a win for Mac users, I think.
1:07:46- Okay, I don't really have anything to add, I'm so sorry.
1:07:51You guys both use Time Machine, right?
1:07:53- Yeah, I use it, but it's one of those things
1:07:55that I use for the point to never think about it, right?
1:07:58- Right.
1:07:59- Like, okay, great, improve it,
1:08:01but I don't ever wanna be bothered with the improvements.
1:08:04- Right, I think that's definitely how they would do it.
1:08:06I think that it's more options if you want them,
1:08:09but they would, I mean, absolutely,
1:08:11like the user interface for Time Machine
1:08:13that you plug into Drive, you click OK,
1:08:14and then it does it, that should not change.
1:08:16That's why Time Machine is so successful, I think,
1:08:19'cause people don't have to worry about it.
1:08:20Alright, so, remember I said some good stuff, right? Like everyone agreed that like my first
1:08:27Mac pic was a really good Mac pic?
1:08:29This is where people are going to get upset with you.
1:08:31I think that Apple should start to show the signs of a MacBook with touch input. I am
1:08:38concerned that Apple is not making the right call in just being like, "Macks do not have
1:08:44touch screens, like they should not." I don't think that there has to be a hybrid OS, but
1:08:50but I think the ability to use a touchscreen on a Mac,
1:08:54on a Mac laptop, it's not crazy.
1:08:56Like the option to touch the occasional thing,
1:09:00like for example, highlighting text with my fingers,
1:09:03which I find to be nicer and quicker
1:09:06than using a keyboard and mouse,
1:09:08to the point where I was using my MacBook,
1:09:10Adorable, the other day,
1:09:11I was getting it set up for my trip,
1:09:13and I was typing some text on it,
1:09:15and I reached out and tapped that screen
1:09:18highlight a word, right?
1:09:20Like, okay, so I'm going to give you…
1:09:21It happens.
1:09:22The reason that I think that this is something that should happen is because I use a machine
1:09:26in this configuration every single day.
1:09:30I use an iPad Pro with a keyboard, right?
1:09:34Every day I'm doing this.
1:09:35I have my iPad Pro on my lap with the keyboard in front of me.
1:09:39I type on the keyboard, I touch the screen.
1:09:41Like, that is a configuration that Apple believes works.
1:09:46touch because they make a product that does it right the old
1:09:50Reason that they used to give of like no one wants to reach out and touch a screen like that doesn't exist anymore
1:09:55Because they make a product where you can only touch to interact with the UI
1:10:00I think having the ability to also have this is
1:10:05not a bad thing like if the iPad program work then so can a MacBook and like
1:10:11because
1:10:13People growing up now are used to touching screens. Screens you cannot touch are stupid, right?
1:10:19I think that laptops with screens that you can touch is not a terrible thing. It's not a bad thing.
1:10:26You don't have to use it, but for the person that would want to,
1:10:30why is it a bad thing to have that, right? I think start with the MacBook line. The most consumer-y
1:10:37consumer product that Apple make in their Mac line, right?
1:10:42and just see if people start to like it because all PCs come like this now
1:10:48there's a reason for that like people want that whether you want it or not
1:10:52it's fine but I think just give people the option I don't think that it is the
1:10:56worst thing in the world to allow somebody to use text selection with
1:11:00their finger of course it takes a lot of work right because there are a lot of
1:11:03things that you have to accommodate for it's not as simple as just like wherever
1:11:07I touch my finger, it's where the mouse goes.
1:11:10That is a bad way of doing this,
1:11:13which is why I think start to show the signs of it.
1:11:15Start to have people think about it.
1:11:17Start to do some work which could lay the groundwork
1:11:20for adding some of the great stuff
1:11:21that you've done on iOS into the Mac
1:11:24and trying to help people bridge the gap.
1:11:26They do this all the time.
1:11:28There are these features that they bring to the Mac
1:11:30because iOS has them, right,
1:11:32to try and make these devices more cohesive.
1:11:35And I think that touch should be the next one of those.
1:11:38- So, I would say a couple things in response to that.
1:11:43A, you're totally right that finger input
1:11:46and cursor input are different,
1:11:47and that the cursor should not move around
1:11:51under your finger, right?
1:11:52- No, it's terrible. - That it's a system
1:11:53to see them and treat them differently.
1:11:55I think a lot of Mac people hear this sort of thing,
1:12:00and I think that was the thing about Windows,
1:12:02where Microsoft has sort of smudged a touch OS into a desktop OS to varying levels of
1:12:12success and I think it's getting better and better every year.
1:12:14I think that there's a lot of powerful uses for it.
1:12:17I also agree with you that I too fear that Apple is missing the point on this and you
1:12:28think back to the Mac event when that first time that slide showed up of like putting
1:12:33your hand out, touching the screen, your arm falls off, that funny quote.
1:12:38There's merit to that, that it shouldn't be just touch, but I think the iPad Pro has proven
1:12:45that at least on the Apple side of the fence, that that combination can work.
1:12:50You can have a keyboard and you touch the screen when you need to and Apple is pitching
1:12:54the iPad as the future of computing, for better or for worse, and so that is a part of it.
1:13:01Where I think Mac fans get hung up on this is that, and people, I can already hear them
1:13:08emailing me, "Well, Mac OS touch targets are too small, it's not really designed for touch."
1:13:14And I think what you're saying is, you don't have to make a hybrid OS, you're not merging
1:13:18Mac OS and iOS, maybe there would be accommodations in Mac OS to make touch a little more viable.
1:13:24Maybe they do some trickery around the window controls
1:13:31to make the touch targets a little bit bigger.
1:13:33Maybe they do tweak things.
1:13:35And I think that's fine.
1:13:37Like, out of the three of us, I'm
1:13:39by far the most hardcore Mac user.
1:13:41And I'm fine with this idea, especially
1:13:44if they do it in a way like the touch bar,
1:13:46where it's not mandatory.
1:13:48There's some niceties if you want it.
1:13:50But if you don't want it, if you want
1:13:52to keep driving with a keyboard and mouse, hey, that's fine.
1:13:54That'll still be the primary input method.
1:13:57And if you never want to touch your screen,
1:14:00that's totally fine.
1:14:01But I do think we're at a point that Apple should
1:14:04be seriously considering it.
1:14:07And the fact that they said-- the question was asked
1:14:10in that Mac Pro roundtable, what are you doing with touch?
1:14:14And the answer was just a flat no.
1:14:16They were not doing anything.
1:14:17That's very different than Phil Silicon went out and saying,
1:14:20oh, voices in a canister need screens,
1:14:23and no one has a screen, so they're doing it wrong.
1:14:25That's Apple teasing.
1:14:27Them just saying no flat out,
1:14:31and their historic answer to this question being no,
1:14:35I really don't think they're doing it,
1:14:37and I think that they probably should be,
1:14:39at least experimenting with it.
1:14:41Maybe like you said, put it in the MacBook.
1:14:44Maybe it starts as you have the MacBook,
1:14:46and then you have devices $200 more
1:14:48called MacBook Touch or something that does offer it,
1:14:51and you slowly ease it in.
1:14:53But I agree with you.
1:14:56There are parts of this industry, some two-in-ones
1:15:00and stuff that I think are a little bit trendy that
1:15:02aren't going to stick around.
1:15:03But I do think touch in a laptop is something
1:15:08that people are going to expect and want.
1:15:10And if every Windows notebook does it and the Mac doesn't,
1:15:13the Mac is going to look old-fashioned in a way that's
1:15:17not particularly good.
1:15:17We touch our computers.
1:15:20That's what we do today.
1:15:21- Yes, and they touch us back.
1:15:25So-- - They really don't.
1:15:27- They shouldn't, they really shouldn't.
1:15:29- So Federico, close us out on macOS.
1:15:33- Yeah.
1:15:35- I've never heard you more uncomfortable.
1:15:39- Sure, I mean, you know,
1:15:41this is gonna sound controversial
1:15:43and my wish is that macOS doesn't take up half an hour
1:15:47at the WWC keynote.
1:15:49Is this okay as a wish?
1:15:51- Wow.
1:15:51- It is for me. - Wow.
1:15:53- I just like Apple to focus more on iOS and watchOS
1:15:57and even tvOS or SiriKit, whatever.
1:16:00It's just like, I think everybody agrees
1:16:03that Mac OS is mature enough.
1:16:05And you know, all year we get the complaints
1:16:08from Mac users that stuff is not working,
1:16:11that they want reliability, they want stability,
1:16:14they want Apple to polish things.
1:16:16So that's fine.
1:16:17We're gonna give you 15 minutes at the keynote
1:16:19where we have two slides, one new feature
1:16:22and another slide that says we made it better.
1:16:24And it's like 200 bug fixes and we're done.
1:16:29I just wish, you know, let's not waste 30 minutes
1:16:32explaining PowerNap or, you know,
1:16:35here's how you can now click on messages in Apple mail.
1:16:39You know, we get it.
1:16:40Like the Mac is mature, it's all grown up.
1:16:43There's bug fixes now.
1:16:45Let's move on to the next things that are actually quite young and they still need a lot of improvements.
1:16:51This is my second wish.
1:16:53I mean, people can email you directly about that.
1:16:56But I understand what you're saying, right?
1:16:58It goes into the Mac as a mature platform and iOS is not yet, it's getting there,
1:17:05but it's not yet as robust and as far-reaching as the Mac and what it can do.
1:17:12And so if Apple has two hours on stage,
1:17:14what do you spend it on?
1:17:17I think, and we'll move on after this,
1:17:19but I think to a degree,
1:17:21Apple is sort of stuck with macOS, right?
1:17:24That if they completely burn it to the ground
1:17:25and rebuild it, Mac users would be upset.
1:17:28But if they do nothing, Mac users would be upset.
1:17:29I think Mac users are just gonna be upset no matter what.
1:17:32On one side or the other.
1:17:33- Exactly, they seem to me like the kind of people
1:17:36who are gonna be upset anyway.
1:17:38So at least make them upset
1:17:40because there's too many bug fixes, you know?
1:17:44Like, hey, you're upset, but at least it's faster,
1:17:46it doesn't crash anymore.
1:17:48And, you know, here, there's also better Mac App Store,
1:17:53you know, like Myke said.
1:17:54- Yeah, and the focus on the Mac recently
1:17:57has really been, you know, bringing it on par with iOS,
1:17:59things like continuity, things like handoff,
1:18:02and, you know, when the Mac got Siri,
1:18:06it got it in a way that was unique and, I mean, limited,
1:18:09but Mac-centric.
1:18:11And if all they do with the Mac is keep it on par
1:18:14with the rest of the ecosystem and polish it
1:18:16and improve the system apps,
1:18:20I think that's fine at this point in its life.
1:18:22I'm not saying leave it alone,
1:18:23but I'm also, I don't want them to rebuild it from scratch.
1:18:27I don't want them to move it to ARM.
1:18:28It's fine where it is.
1:18:29So anyways, we should move on.
1:18:32- All right, so let's move in to hardware.
1:18:35and Steven has deemed that I care about hardware the most.
1:18:39So I get the first round robin pick
1:18:42and the first thing that I'm gonna wish for
1:18:45is a Siri in a can, a Siri speaker.
1:18:48I think it's well known that we love our Amazon Echos
1:18:51on this show and I am very keen
1:18:53to see what Apple were able to do, right?
1:18:55So we've been talking about the Echo Show, yeah?
1:18:58And one of the things that we were talking about
1:19:00on that show, one of the things that YouTube
1:19:01were very excited about was the idea
1:19:03being able to do voice and video calling. Well, I posit that I would prefer this stuff
1:19:08to be occurring over FaceTime rather than in Amazon's app because all of my family
1:19:13have finally come around to understanding how FaceTime works and I am not interested
1:19:18in teaching them how to use Amazon's app for video calling. So we now know that people
1:19:23can use that. I would prefer to see all of this in an Apple device, right, instead. I
1:19:29would like to see a device that by default can just mirror all of my contacts and calendars
1:19:35and stuff without needing to feed them into somewhere else, right? Like, I'm assuming
1:19:39that Amazon's Echo Show or Google Home with a screen or the Google Home where you can
1:19:45connect to the Chromecast thing is not going to be able to see my iCloud calendars, which
1:19:50I keep and share with family. But I'm pretty sure that Apple's device would be able to
1:19:56mirror that stuff from my phone. So Apple already has all of that, which is great. And
1:20:00also from a device like this, if I'm going to be upgrading my Echo, I want an Echo with
1:20:07better speakers and a device that looks even nicer. And I am very confident that Apple
1:20:12can provide me with both of those, a good looking device and a device with great speakers
1:20:17in it. So I'm keen to see what Apple can do because if I'm going to go further, like if
1:20:22If I'm going to upgrade from what I currently have in my home, I would like to believe that
1:20:27Apple has the ability to do something interesting here, which is one of the reasons that I'm
1:20:32holding off from something like the Echo Show, because I want to see what Apple can do.
1:20:36I mean, I think that, I may agree with you that Apple could do more here.
1:20:41My thought is that we're going to see a bunch of SiriKit stuff, and this hardware
1:20:45is going to be next to the phone in the fall.
1:20:47I don't think we're going to see it next week, but we'll see.
1:20:50Okay.
1:20:50We'll see. We'll have a fight to the death. Up for me on hardware, my wish is that Apple
1:20:59would update some Macs. So the MacBook Adorable is definitely due. There are a lot of rumors
1:21:05that the MacBook Pros are going to get an update, which is fast, at least over the last
1:21:10several years of activity. But as of this morning, people are reporting that the 15-inch
1:21:15is delayed if you order one that's not shipping until next week.
1:21:19So my kind of guess is that they're just going to do the 15 inch, there'll be some nice config
1:21:24and the 13 will get it in the fall, but we'll see.
1:21:26And at least desktops.
1:21:30I don't think I'm going to get a Mac Pro tease.
1:21:33I know people may want that.
1:21:34I kind of don't want it because I don't want to be having that in my brain for nine months
1:21:40waiting for the Mac Pro to show up, so I'm fine not being teased.
1:21:45I would like to see the iMac updated, I'd like to see the iMac Pro, but I don't think
1:21:51we're going to see any of that.
1:21:52But I would love to see the one port MacBook and the MacBook Pros get updated with KabyLake,
1:21:58the new Intel chipset, possibly 32 gigs of RAM support on the MacBook Pros.
1:22:03But we'll see where it goes.
1:22:05I think it's due, I think it's kind of a boring wish, but I think one that I and a lot of
1:22:10other people would appreciate.
1:22:13Why is the MacBook adorable? The only one that we call with this nickname. Can we just
1:22:18call it the MacBook? Otherwise, let's just call all the Macs with a nickname. Like, the
1:22:23MacBook Pro is the MacBook Serious, the iMac is the Mac Tall, the Mac Mini is the Max Small,
1:22:30and the Mac Pro is the Mac Never.
1:22:32Okay.
1:22:33Damn.
1:22:34Oh, God. Well, I think it's because the MacBook is the least efficient of naming, because
1:22:40MacBook is also...
1:22:41No, it's called the MacBook.
1:22:42No, no, but it's also a grouping of all of the laptops, right?
1:22:45Air Pro and the 12 inch, but also the, uh, the MacBook Pro with the bar, like
1:22:53the, the, the, the actual keys that tends to be given a name like MacBook escape
1:22:57because some of the names are problematic.
1:23:00That is a terrible name.
1:23:01They are problematic namings.
1:23:03It's pretty bad.
1:23:05My wish is that Apple gets Mac naming, right?
1:23:10You know, or maybe, you know, this kind of speaks to the Mac people.
1:23:15They don't know what else to do. They just come up with new...
1:23:17Federico, go for your pick. Just, just please.
1:23:21Yes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
1:23:23My pick is a new iPad Pro.
1:23:26You know, I think it's been a while since we last got any major refresh to the iPad Pro line.
1:23:33I mean, the original iPad Pro came out in November 2015.
1:23:38and there's been rumors of these smaller than the 12.9 but bigger than the 9.7 iPad Pro in the works
1:23:46that initially the rumor said it's gonna have an edge-to-edge display, now it seems like it's just gonna have
1:23:52thinner bezels but no bezel-less design.
1:23:56And in this iPad Pro I would love to get faster Touch ID and more power.
1:24:03And I think more power is always going to be needed because I would love to get more
1:24:08pro apps by Apple on iOS 11 and forward.
1:24:12I would love Apple to set an example and to bring more apps, whether it's from Apple,
1:24:17stuff like Logic and Final Cut, or just Apple trying to work with third-party developers
1:24:22to convince, for example, Adobe to bring Photoshop and Illustrator to iOS.
1:24:26In some way, pay them a lot of money, I don't care.
1:24:28Just bring Photoshop and Illustrator to the iPad Pro.
1:24:31So we need more power, faster touch ID, and I would love to get some other niceties such
1:24:37as for example, True Tone Display everywhere, and so this will require also an update to
1:24:43the 12.9 because I think it's gonna stick around for people who love the option of a
1:24:47bigger iPad, and even louder speakers, so we currently have the four speaker system,
1:24:52I would love those speakers to be even louder, and finally more battery.
1:24:56And I know that 10 hours is probably enough.
1:24:59I would also get 15 hours.
1:25:02Why not?
1:25:03I don't want to charge my iPad overnight.
1:25:05I want to charge it in the morning.
1:25:07And I think nobody ever dislikes more battery.
1:25:11It's like RAM.
1:25:12The more you have, the better.
1:25:13So why not?
1:25:14Right.
1:25:15Universally loved.
1:25:16Yeah, the 10 hour thing, that jumped out at me in your notes.
1:25:19Every iPad ever has been 10 hours.
1:25:21And with the 12.9, you could understand why they, even though there's more room, battery
1:25:26heavy and that device is already pretty heavy relative to other iPads so you
1:25:32could see why they wanted to kind of cap it but this 10.5 I think they have an
1:25:36opportunity to push it further and I would yeah I'd like to see it I think
1:25:39it'd be I think it'd be nice it seems like a no-brainer for you to get a bunch
1:25:44of iOS stuff that a new iPad could be there to show it off so fingers crossed
1:25:48I'm with you guys I'd like it I'd like to see a 10.5 inch I have complained a
1:25:52couple times that I would like an iPad in between the two sizes and so this would be
1:25:58a device for me I think if it's real.
1:26:01Along with Federico's iPad Pro I would like to see revised iPad Pro accessories so I would
1:26:07like to see a new Apple Pencil and a new keyboard cover/case so with the Apple Pencil I would
1:26:13like to see maybe like a button, like a function button added which you could have, you could
1:26:20could assign different actions to it based on application or it could be a way to do
1:26:25some stuff with the system but like for example you could press this button and change to
1:26:29a different tool or press this button and then use an eraser in a drawing application.
1:26:33I would like to see better battery life and like a better way to handle that if you keep
1:26:39the Apple pencil close to the iPad that the battery doesn't drain because that seems to
1:26:42drain it quicker so I'd like to see something there and also you know from a design perspective
1:26:47I would really like it to not be a perfect cylinder so it doesn't roll. I would like
1:26:51it to have a flat edge to it or something that stops it from rolling. Maybe a clip or
1:26:56a roll stop or something like that. In regards to the keyboard, as well as a new smart keyboard
1:27:05cover that has a function row, I would like to see Apple take a crack at making their
1:27:10on
1:27:29very best. Like I've had a piece of the plastic break off recently on the case part.
1:27:33I'm like, shouldn't do that. That shouldn't happen. And I think I would like to see Apple
1:27:39give it a crack too.
1:27:40Yeah, so this is my last wish and it is that Apple would release a updated Bluetooth keyboard
1:27:49for the Mac. It's kind of a line that you're saying with the touch bar. And maybe the new
1:27:54switches you know people seem to really dislike the new keyboard on the MacBook
1:27:59Pros I don't mind it I kind of wish the MacBook Pro and my Mac keyboard were the
1:28:02same I don't like the different but touch bar and touch ID in particular
1:28:08support for other Macs and so whether it's Bluetooth keyboard or even you
1:28:15know something like the MacBook with no nickname having that pick up at least
1:28:20touch ID or touch bar somehow just spreading the technology around I think
1:28:24I think it would be great. The touch bar being isolated on the most expensive
1:28:27MacBook Pros has limited its adoption and there's no way to do it on a desktop
1:28:32at this point so I think a new external keyboard or a new keyboard on the
1:28:37MacBook would be swell so that's that's my last that's my last hardware pick.
1:28:43My last pick is kinda hardware related and this is gonna sound silly but I would
1:28:49love Apple to make new lightning cables because the current ones suck and they
1:28:54break all the time and I shouldn't have to rely on a third party like Anker for
1:28:59example to make decent quality lightning cables. It just feels like Apple makes
1:29:04the basic, cheap, actually the cheapest lightning cables around. The top, you
1:29:12know, where the connection between the connector and the cable occurs
1:29:17breaks all the time, I haven't found a single person who doesn't have issues
1:29:23with their lining cables and I just wish that Apple made them of a different
1:29:27material or that they made them more durable or whatever, just make new cables
1:29:31so I don't have to go on Amazon and give my money to someone else to make a
1:29:37decent cable. I mean I love my Anker stuff and I'm probably, you know, I don't
1:29:41see Apple making nylon braided or you know cables with whatever it is that
1:29:46Enker puts inside their versions, but I would love the default option to be stronger, more
1:29:53durable, and maybe while you're at it even longer cable.
1:29:57That would be nice.
1:29:58Just make the basic cable in the box better and more durable so it doesn't look gross
1:30:06and broken in two years.
1:30:08I like that.
1:30:09I like that your pick is the most basic accessory.
1:30:13It's pretty good.
1:30:14So let's move into other.
1:30:16My first is shared iCloud photo libraries.
1:30:19I wrote a blog post about this last week.
1:30:20You should go read kind of two ways I think they could do it.
1:30:24Google Photos is killing Apple in this space.
1:30:27Photos last year got a really nice update,
1:30:29but it feels like there's a lot of stuff undone.
1:30:31And sharing is a big category there, I think,
1:30:35that Apple could do better in.
1:30:37And not necessarily just in family iCloud accounts.
1:30:39I could see them putting those two together,
1:30:41which means my wife and I would finally have
1:30:43accounts with each other, but a way to share iCloud photo libraries with friends and family
1:30:49that's reliable and more expansive would be a huge win for me and really anyone I think who,
1:30:56you know, you have overlapping photos with a spouse or significant other or something,
1:31:00it gets messy and I think Apple has the know-how to fix it and I think they should. So I'll defer
1:31:06to the blog post though for details, but that would be a big win for me. I saw other as like
1:31:13like complete wish list.
1:31:15- That's fine.
1:31:17- Just pure, like I never think this is gonna happen
1:31:20but would love it if it did anyway.
1:31:23I would really like to see Apple create
1:31:25an ergonomic keyboard for the Mac.
1:31:28Like I use the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard,
1:31:31the old one, not the new one.
1:31:33Apparently the person that I trust on this keyboard,
1:31:36which is Marco 'cause I got this keyboard
1:31:39on his recommendation in the first place
1:31:41'cause I was having some RSI trouble,
1:31:43He says that the new one isn't as good as the current one so he's bought a bunch of
1:31:46the old ones.
1:31:47So I tell you why I want an Apple version of this.
1:31:50I hate that I have to use this little USB receiver thing because it just feels like
1:31:55a pointless waste of a USB port to put this little thing into my computer so I can use
1:32:01my keyboard.
1:32:02It should be Bluetooth.
1:32:04I hate that I have Windows logos on my keyboard and that I have to remap keys.
1:32:10It's really annoying.
1:32:12It's very frustrating, I hate that.
1:32:14Really, I wanna see Apple's take
1:32:17on them making a great ergonomic keyboard
1:32:19that is designed to combat RSI issues.
1:32:23Like this keyboard, this keyboard,
1:32:24whether it does or doesn't for a lot of people,
1:32:26like I think it does, I think that's why
1:32:27Microsoft continues to make this product,
1:32:29they have designed something with this in mind, right?
1:32:31Like how do we make it more comfortable
1:32:33for people that are typing over long periods of time?
1:32:35And I would like to see Apple take a crack at that as well.
1:32:40I have one I can send you. There will be a link in the show notes to a Wikipedia article.
1:32:44In 1993, Apple introduced the Apple Adjustable Keyboard.
1:32:50And it like splits apart and you can use an adapter with it to make it work on current hardware.
1:32:57And I've got one, so I'll just bring it to San Jose and you can give it a try.
1:33:00You can buy one for 50 euros on eBay.
1:33:03Done.
1:33:04I don't think I want this keyboard.
1:33:06Well it's 40 to ship it to Europe.
1:33:08I really don't. I mean, okay, I want the 2017 version of this, not this version of this.
1:33:17Don't you know, Myke, that the switches on these keyboards were the best?
1:33:22- They're pretty good. - Yeah, see? I totally improvised.
1:33:28And it is like 2017 because the escape button is not where you expect it to be.
1:33:32the tilde button is double wide and next to the one and there the escape button is a little pill
1:33:40sized button off to the side offset from the entire keyboard so it really is like 2017.
1:33:45You cannot win this argument Myke.
1:33:46Oh god here's another serious reason I want this that I don't want this keyboard is that
1:33:51it is in US layout and I have a scope keyboard in a UK layout.
1:33:55I'm sure we can just swap some things around.
1:33:59No, because like physically key sizes and shapes are different.
1:34:03That's fine.
1:34:04Real English is the US one anyway, so...
1:34:07Yeah.
1:34:07You know?
1:34:08Yeah. Deal with it.
1:34:09For everyone that I would expect this from, I would not have expected this from you, Federico.
1:34:15I'm just having fun trolling you.
1:34:16My... not so unrealistic...
1:34:23You know, it's not too crazy to me.
1:34:27pick is the idea of an even deeper and more open iMessage framework for developers to make iMessage
1:34:36apps. And I know that we like to make fun of stickers, well I actually don't, I use stickers a lot
1:34:41and I spend way too much money on stickers, but I think a lot of people tend to make fun of the
1:34:45useless iMessage apps, of which there are plenty on the App Store. But I also think it is convenient
1:34:53to have these interfaces in iMessage. It's just that the way that it's currently done, mainly
1:34:59with the iMessage app picker and the just the general UI of accessing apps is terrible, but the
1:35:06idea of having these richer messages where you can interact with those is a good one. And I think we,
1:35:14you know, there's an article on Mac stories today that we did about the going beyond stickers and
1:35:19trying some of the more useful iMessage apps. And I believe Apple should find a way to make it more
1:35:26convenient for people to send these richer messages made by iMessage apps. I don't know if Apple wants
1:35:34to do something like Android where there's stuff like Instant Apps so you can preview the
1:35:40contents of an app without having the actual app installed. I don't know if Apple wants to do this
1:35:44but it's just I would like to have an easy way to share for example a
1:35:49Dropbox message card with someone else who doesn't have Dropbox without having to teach that person now go to the App Store and download
1:35:56Dropbox and make sure that the iMessage toggle is turned on, you know, it's a lot of steps
1:36:01So there should be an easier way to get going with iMessage apps
1:36:05And also there should be an easy way to separate stickers and apps
1:36:08I could go deeper and say there should be a way to search stickers for specific expressions.
1:36:15Apple has a whole support for accessibility in iMessage stickers.
1:36:21Developers can add labels. For example, for visually impaired users you can say "Happy face" and "Sad face" to label your stickers.
1:36:30Why not use those labels to let users search for stickers that belong to the same category?
1:36:37I can tell you one way that that would be terrible if you were trying to search for the relay FM stickers
1:36:42Because they are labeled but they are labeled so voiceover will pronounce them correctly
1:36:48So some of the spelling is hilarious like trying to get voiceover to say
1:36:53tichi
1:36:55That was that was a lot of fun. That was that was a great afternoon genuinely
1:37:00I had a great afternoon trying to trick voiceover to say things the way that I wanted
1:37:04Yeah, that seems like a sort of an edge case
1:37:07I would love everybody to search for "teaching" their iMessage, but it doesn't seem like something
1:37:15that would occur often.
1:37:17Anyway, I would just love a way to better separate the two types of apps that developers
1:37:23can make.
1:37:25I still don't understand why the digital touch has to be in there as a shortcut.
1:37:32In a premiere spot next to the Compose box there's Digital Touch, which Steven to this
1:37:39day I should say continues to send sarcastically, ironically, I don't know, but Steven seems
1:37:45to be obsessed with Digital Touch and every couple of weeks he sends the same message
1:37:50which is "Why is this thing still here with Digital Touch?" or some variation of that.
1:37:56So either Steven really likes Digital Touch or is the expression of all of us, which is
1:38:04why is this feature still here?
1:38:07Nobody cares in a serious manner about Digital Touch on the iPhone and the iPad.
1:38:13Is it on the iPad?
1:38:14I think it's on the iPad and it's probably ridiculous in terms of design.
1:38:18So let me pin my favorite sticker pack or let me have easier access to my favorite iMessage
1:38:26I think Facebook Messenger does this in a better way than Apple.
1:38:31So I think there's still potential for iMessage and for these richer conversations, like these
1:38:38interfaces that you can collaborate on, that you can preview documents and links and whatever.
1:38:43It's just the way that you initiate these apps and that you manage these apps is awful.
1:38:48So improve the basics and then maybe open up the framework even more.
1:38:53In case you're wondering the sticker in question is the fatigue you see it of quality and the teachy is spelt vit
1:38:59eechi
1:39:02That doesn't make any sense that it wouldn't say other words man. There is no might that is not my name
1:39:07It's not my well
1:39:08Then you need to to file a radar because voiceover does not like to say your name
1:39:12I would want it to be file a radar for life file a radar to my parents to the voiceover team
1:39:18There you go. You get them to change the pronunciation of a tiki
1:39:22Okay, sure. I'm filing a radar right now, Myke.
1:39:25Good luck with that.
1:39:28Mine is about continuity.
1:39:33And it's one of those things, like Federica, like you were talking about a minute ago, like polish and make the experience better.
1:39:39Continuity features should be more reliable.
1:39:42I'm mostly looking at universal clipboard, which is hugely hit or miss for me.
1:39:48And I use it every day.
1:39:50So I have this workflow where I post,
1:39:51I'm posting a photo a day this year as an art project.
1:39:54And I write my caption in the photos app on the Mac.
1:39:58And then I copy it and I want to paste it into Instagram
1:40:01where I'm posting the photos.
1:40:03And like, it works three times out of 10.
1:40:07And it's not that, you know, there's a timeout.
1:40:09It's not that I'm out of the timeout.
1:40:10It's not that I'm on a different network.
1:40:12I'm at my iMac and I pick up my iPhone,
1:40:14which is like right next to like inches away from it.
1:40:17If they can't make it reliable, maybe they should just give you an option to turn the
1:40:21stuff off.
1:40:23In Mac OS, if you go into System Preferences in general, you can turn off all Handoff and
1:40:27Continuity features, but you can't turn them off one by one.
1:40:32And maybe some more dynamic control would be nice here.
1:40:36Even if it doesn't work for you, maybe you can't use your inverse clipboard because of
1:40:39security issue at work, but you want to use the rest of it.
1:40:43This stuff is all kind of a black box right now between all of your devices and I think
1:40:47Apple should open that up a little bit and give you as a user options on how it behaves
1:40:52because not everything works for everybody all the time.
1:40:55Alright, so I also want to see the beginning of seeing Apple start to embrace AR or VR
1:41:01in a meaningful way.
1:41:02I think that these are both different experiences but can both be fun and rewarding, whether
1:41:07it be through games and entertainment or information.
1:41:11I want to see Apple start to get on board with this and see what they can bring to the
1:41:14table to see like, you know, what can AR be.
1:41:17I really would like them to get into VR as well in some way to help legitimize the medium
1:41:22even further.
1:41:23You know, this is this is a typical thing, right?
1:41:25Because Apple is not only the biggest technology company, but like the basically the biggest
1:41:28company on the planet.
1:41:30When they move into a space that legitimizes it for everybody else and it helps to like
1:41:37encourage further advancement and development by them and by other people when Apple start to really get into something and I think AR and VR would be a great starting point for what could potentially be some of the future aspects of technology.
1:41:52So I would really, really like to see Apple start to show their hand here this year would be fantastic.
1:42:00My last wish is about Apple Maps.
1:42:06And about Apple not saying copying Google, but taking a similar approach.
1:42:12I think Google is doing some really great stuff with Google Maps in terms of aggregating crowd sources data
1:42:20above places to bring you information that is actually useful and actionable.
1:42:25and I'm referring to the couple of features really. Now for a store or any
1:42:33other public address you can have this little info box on Google Maps
1:42:40it's called the Busy Times feature and it shows you during the average weekday
1:42:46how busy a place is gonna be. I found that to be so useful as a
1:42:52as a reference, if I know I need to go to the Apple Store, and I can just quickly look
1:42:58it up on Google Maps, and it shows me, well, maybe if you go between 10am and 11am on a
1:43:04Thursday, it's not gonna be so crazy as 2pm on a Saturday.
1:43:08And yes, I could have guessed that, but it's nice to have a confirmation from Google Maps.
1:43:13And also the new areas of interest, which, you know, especially if you're in a new city,
1:43:18For example, you get these colored blocks in the map view to show you where people tend
1:43:25to spend their time.
1:43:28I assume with Google Maps open or running in the background.
1:43:32And when I was visiting Barcelona a few months ago, that was useful to understand and to
1:43:38have again a visual confirmation of "yes, this is a landmark, this is a place where
1:43:42people go see and go hang out so maybe I should go there too. And finally Google
1:43:50is now using this and I know that we're gonna get the arguments of people "I don't
1:43:54want Google to know my information" and I mean I've made my point clear and Myke
1:43:59also has and Stephen has too. That is fine if you don't want Google to know your
1:44:04stuff and to see your photos and whatever but personally I do love the
1:44:10personal timeline feature of Google Maps, which I recently received in my account,
1:44:19I guess. So now on Google Maps I get this timeline view where I can see... it's kind
1:44:25of like the Moves app which is owned by Facebook. It shows me all the places that
1:44:30I've been to, but unlike Moves the information about places is more accurate,
1:44:36So it gets the names of the stores and the shops that I go to write, it gets the street addresses more...
1:44:43I think they're more correct than moves, there's less manual management going on.
1:44:49But what I love is that it combines the places with Google Photos.
1:44:53So on the same timeline I can see where I've been to and which photos I've taken, at the same time and the same location.
1:45:00And it's basically this automated log of my life that I can view in a single place in an app that is with my phone,
1:45:07that is always with me. And I just love that. And I would love Apple to do the same in a more private, you know,
1:45:12privacy conscious way maybe. But it's all information that Apple has, maybe even in a better way because I am an iPhone user and Apple Maps and
1:45:21photos have higher privileges than Google Maps and Google Photos.
1:45:26In general, I think I would love Apple to use crowdsources data more whether it's about
1:45:32Telling me when I should go to a place to a store or
1:45:38like
1:45:40you know how like more practical advice when I'm using Apple Maps instead of just being a
1:45:47really
1:45:49visualization visualization of places around me also
1:45:53becoming a smart
1:45:56persistent for travel, for transit, for turn-by-turn directions, just being smarter as
1:46:03Google if possible and if not as smart as Google
1:46:08maybe just try to be not just pretty but also intelligent in the places that you show me, the suggestions that you give me.
1:46:17Because right now I feel like Apple Maps is pretty to look at
1:46:20but it's not as intelligent as Google and I would like Apple to change that.
1:46:24that.
1:46:25Yeah, it's like, you know, irrespective of whether it gets your location correct, irrespective
1:46:32of whether it has your points of interest, some of the things that Federico is talking
1:46:36about, which is things that I absolutely love about Maps as well, I mean, these are advancements
1:46:40that are continuing from Google that we're not currently seeing from Apple, right? Like
1:46:47stuff like the Busy Times thing, which is awesome. I love it. Like we use it a lot when
1:46:53We're trying to decide somewhere to eat right?
1:46:55So like we're going to a place and we want to try and decide between a few restaurants
1:47:00Well, we could see that this one's typically pretty busy at this time. So maybe we try a different one
1:47:04Yeah, I think it's really really great big fan big fan
1:47:08so like it's very pretty right like I'm poking around right now and you know, like the 3d view with the
1:47:13Maps information on so like you're actually zooming in on what looks like a real little model set of buildings, right?
1:47:21like it's very beautiful but maybe there should be a little more functionality there, a little
1:47:27more change in functionality might be more helpful in the aggregate over time.
1:47:33All right so that is it. That is our barometer of happiness for the keynote so you'll be
1:47:40able to know next week having listened to all of this how happy the three of us will
1:47:44be. If you're going to be in San Jose, come up and talk to us and tell us and try and
1:47:50guess how happy you think we're going to be by coming over and saying hello, telling us
1:47:55what makes you happy. That's what we're all about on the Connected Podcast. We'll see
1:47:59you at our meetup if you're going to be there. We'll see you at the AppCamp event if you're
1:48:04going to be there and/or maybe in the street. Come over and say hello if you see any of
1:48:10the three of us. We'd be more than happy to say hi and exchange some of the things that
1:48:15we are excited about from the week. If you want to find our show notes for this week,
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1:48:37Stephen is at five twelve pixels dot net and he is at is mh and I am at I Myke I
1:48:43am y ke there we go everyone this is the last episode before WWDC and before the
1:48:51real fun begins so until then say goodbye everybody
1:48:54are you there to keep adios