The Accidental Tech Podcast

172: iPhone X

 

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  everyone always knows that yeah that's a [TS]

  given I know but like more than usual [TS]

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  week [TS]

  goodness right so I i tweeted earlier [TS]

  today that we would have a show without [TS]

  photo I didn't say we'd have to show [TS]

  that followed but at that point earlier [TS]

  today we had we did not yet have [TS]

  follow-up and here it is just a few [TS]

  scant hours later and we have follow-up [TS]

  about new macbook pros we had evolved it [TS]

  just wasn't written into the thing it so [TS]

  you had follow follow up it just it just [TS]

  expanded it's like hard drive space and [TS]

  wedding planning it expands into [TS]

  whatever space is available for it to [TS]

  expand into the end crap in your attic [TS]

  right well John's adequately likely [TS]

  knighted somatic cleaning actually the [TS]

  the other weekend I i must have got rid [TS]

  of I don't know 40 boxes of stuff and [TS]

  some boxes of not stuff that's a lot [TS]

  I'm supposed your house has been falling [TS]

  down what do you have more of boxes of [TS]

  stuff in the attic or browser tabs open [TS]

  right now boxes automatic no contest [TS]

  I'm slightly surprised to be honest with [TS]

  you okay i mean so if if you are able to [TS]

  get rid of 40 like how many do you think [TS]

  are still they are mean is this is the [TS]

  low-hanging fruit I'm going for [TS]

  like you know the modems okay it's not [TS]

  easy to get rid of those are we talking [TS]

  like surfboard or us robotics now now [TS]

  boy [TS]

  28 modems 56k modems 14-4 modems at [TS]

  least are the RAK 56 flex over the ax to [TS]

  their the witch one more than I think [TS]

  they were the Flex 1i remember those [TS]

  competing standards I'm think I didn't [TS]

  look too closely the box we were next to [TS]

  family that we were all about the x2 [TS]

  because that's what our isp set us said [TS]

  we should be I think x2 was was the [TS]

  superior one until they merge the two [TS]

  into the v90 whatever that was [TS]

  yeah yeah maybe that's what I had when [TS]

  they finally settled that thing we do [TS]

  lots of boxes of stuff a lot of these [TS]

  boxes didn't have anything in them [TS]

  anymore some of them did and the things [TS]

  in them weren't worth much [TS]

  yeah a lot of empty boxes or someone [TS]

  empty boxes someone just had cables on [TS]

  boxes for old hard drives are driving [TS]

  closures the easy things to get rid of [TS]

  but it was a lot there's all these boxes [TS]

  were flattened know and you will you [TS]

  want to make sure that when you sell [TS]

  your 28k 56 flex modem doesn't make [TS]

  sense [TS]

  you want to make sure that you have the [TS]

  original box so that you get the maximum [TS]

  price for it [TS]

  well that's the way things are stored in [TS]

  my attic is in their boxes don't get rid [TS]

  of the boxes until I ever to think for [TS]

  the most part but think about how much [TS]

  more old computer garbage you could [TS]

  store you're adding if you weren't also [TS]

  storing the boxes i don't know if that's [TS]

  true because they with all the loose [TS]

  cables and everything and I just think [TS]

  they can pack them in better like a [TS]

  Tetris puzzle if they're all kind of [TS]

  rectal in here [TS]

  good anyway I got rid of a lot of stuff [TS]

  and then getting rid of so much stuff [TS]

  and seeing that the the bags and bags [TS]

  full of styrofoam that you know you can [TS]

  really compress and then the stacks and [TS]

  stacks of flattened cardboard boxes and [TS]

  then looking back at the attic and [TS]

  realizing it looks like stuff has been [TS]

  removed but not that much stuff but I [TS]

  got a long way to go [TS]

  like I can't believe your house hasn't [TS]

  imploded under the weight that you're [TS]

  putting into the Attic [TS]

  yeah I thought about how much that stuff [TS]

  is way up there so it's pretty heavy [TS]

  hey wait can we solve multiple problems [TS]

  here can you take some of the flattened [TS]

  cardboard boxes of old computer [TS]

  equipment [TS]

  you've taken out of your attic and make [TS]

  interior door trim with it for your [TS]

  front door already recycled too late for [TS]

  that that time have to wait till you get [TS]

  more modems yeah actually you know us [TS]

  robotics extra motives were about the [TS]

  right shape to be like molding if you [TS]

  line them all up you know that's fair [TS]

  point don't have that many the sports [TS]

  stars [TS]

  yeah I i remember you get at the time I [TS]

  didn't think of it that way but there [TS]

  was something oddly satisfying about [TS]

  hearing that god-awful no handshaking [TS]

  sound like today is so much better in [TS]

  every measurable way but like that that [TS]

  light a amount of stress that you had is [TS]

  this gonna work am I gonna get the full [TS]

  no 56k oh god it did fell down on the [TS]

  56k negotiation so we're back to stupid [TS]

  animal on the first thing i did and in [TS]

  my 80 whatever its strings turn off that [TS]

  sound come on people [TS]

  I don't need to hear that my camera [TS]

  frustrates me that i can't remember what [TS]

  that was what was the code for turning [TS]

  off the sound and 80s was it what was [TS]

  that whole protocol call was at the haze [TS]

  command center is it something yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah no I actually had to leave my [TS]

  speaker on constantly because we only [TS]

  have one phone line and everybody would [TS]

  always call it a nice talk to my mom and [TS]

  so I was only allowed to you took time [TS]

  off the phone line if I left call [TS]

  waiting on and would leave the modem [TS]

  speaker on constantly with special [TS]

  config string today to set it to the [TS]

  higher-level unlike john says to like [TS]

  number two or whatever that keeps it on [TS]

  the entire time so just always hearing [TS]

  static when I was online and I did when [TS]

  I would hear call waiting beeps have to [TS]

  go flip off the power to modem so to [TS]

  hang up immediately and then take the [TS]

  phone and then just go do something else [TS]

  for a while my mom's on the phone [TS]

  fun yeah good times [TS]

  cod world in any case we should talk [TS]

  about what you're intending to talk [TS]

  about which is new macbook pros [TS]

  apparently there is going to be [TS]

  something funky with the FN key row but [TS]

  it may actually be only one screen and [TS]

  not individual screens on the individual [TS]

  buttons like we were perhaps led to [TS]

  believe I don't know what to make of [TS]

  this and i feel like my thoughts really [TS]

  changed since last week it could be good [TS]

  this doesn't strike me as it's fixing a [TS]

  problem i have in my life but you never [TS]

  know with Apple sometimes they come up [TS]

  with things you don't know you need so [TS]

  and his parts like Sarah legit it [TS]

  definitely looks like one big long [TS]

  screen and not a bunch of Optimus [TS]

  keyboard style individual cases greens [TS]

  on which I'm very disappointed about so [TS]

  I had my hopes up from last week but [TS]

  that's what it was going to be but boy [TS]

  looking at these parts leaks you see [TS]

  little place where probably like a touch [TS]

  ID sensor or the connector for things [TS]

  going to be in the part where ribbon [TS]

  cable exits in a big long channel looks [TS]

  like it's going to be for a big long [TS]

  screen [TS]

  the only thing i can think of that now [TS]

  I'm trying to convince myself that this [TS]

  is not as bad as i think by saying well [TS]

  I could show notifications on it or [TS]

  something could scroll across there i [TS]

  don't know the other thing I was getting [TS]

  my hopes up about was like if I was [TS]

  thinking about a key caps maybe they [TS]

  could be e ink so they wouldn't take any [TS]

  power because keycaps a kind of [TS]

  monochrome to and I would be like classy [TS]

  but it really looks like it's going to [TS]

  be a big long skinny screen again if [TS]

  these things are to be believed but this [TS]

  close to announcement date it's [TS]

  reasonable her farts to leak is look [TS]

  semi legitimate i'm kind of sad [TS]

  yeah now the tipster is saying in the [TS]

  chat that's just the amount of things [TS]

  sits in [TS]

  we'll see that's not I mean from to my [TS]

  eye that is not at all what it looked [TS]

  like [TS]

  but it's so hard to say with these like [TS]

  terrible pictures that clearly were [TS]

  taken knows what sort of 14 [TS]

  surreptitiously something like that [TS]

  taking illicitly if you will and so it's [TS]

  hard to tell the other thing with these [TS]

  pictures is like you know if you if you [TS]

  look at me like tips was also kind of [TS]

  arguing whether this might be the the [TS]

  13-inch macbook which you know last week [TS]

  we talked about this is this rumor in [TS]

  the middle of like the big long sentence [TS]

  of the report was also a 13-inch macbook [TS]

  one that we didn't talk about it all [TS]

  that's what it's worth it's worth [TS]

  mentioning [TS]

  and then the there's some speculation in [TS]

  the chat that I think is is possibly [TS]

  warranted hear that the these leaked [TS]

  photos may have been that 13-inch [TS]

  macbook not 13-inch macbook pro and [TS]

  there's a few things support that you [TS]

  know first of all the people and trying [TS]

  to figure out like you is this [TS]

  impossibly thin for the kind of cooling [TS]

  system that an i5 would need but what I [TS]

  spotted earlier when I saw these photos [TS]

  it only has the four USB seaports [TS]

  there's no other ports and so that would [TS]

  mean dropping some [TS]

  ports that are on the current 13-inch [TS]

  also it would mean dropping the magsafe [TS]

  port and while it is possible to charge [TS]

  things through USB pd into a USBC port [TS]

  like with the macbook one does [TS]

  there's a limit to how much current that [TS]

  can actually deliver and I think once [TS]

  you get into like the the 15-inch [TS]

  macbook pro with its external GPU I [TS]

  think you're probably pushing that [TS]

  limits its probably I'm guessing the [TS]

  15-inch probably still has magsafe and [TS]

  then if the 15 inches still has it the [TS]

  13-inch should probably have a two [TS]

  because they're built very similarly and [TS]

  share a lot of similar features and [TS]

  ports and capabilities and everything so [TS]

  I'm guessing that the the speculation [TS]

  that this part is actually the 13-inch [TS]

  macbook one is probably correct because [TS]

  that presumably would be able to be [TS]

  charged through USBC just like the look [TS]

  the 12-inch MacBook one or this will be [TS]

  more likely to and you know we can [TS]

  speculate also about what the heck [TS]

  13-inch macbook one might include and [TS]

  what what why that would be necessary [TS]

  when there's also a new thinner lighter [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro but overall looking [TS]

  at these photos I'd say it is fairly [TS]

  likely that we're looking at 13-inch [TS]

  macbook one enclosure not 13 macbook pro [TS]

  enclosure [TS]

  however that said I agree with John [TS]

  Casey I agree that if these are [TS]

  legitimate parts which they look like [TS]

  they probably are [TS]

  and this would be you know a reasonable [TS]

  time to be leaking I'm guessing that [TS]

  this is real and that you're right about [TS]

  the keyboard row that the FN key rocher [TS]

  does look like it's gonna be just one [TS]

  big screen and if you think about one [TS]

  other detail to the these rumors all [TS]

  said these are supposed to have touch ID [TS]

  at least the macbook pro we don't [TS]

  Michael on these are supposed to have [TS]

  touch ID where do you put the sensor [TS]

  there is really no we're on the keyboard [TS]

  to put it you might be able to put in [TS]

  the trackpad but that it you know just [TS]

  is that even possible without messing up [TS]

  the track pad sensor I don't even know I [TS]

  thought there was a patent for that [TS]

  well there could be yeah there's lots of [TS]

  its patented never actually sure [TS]

  practically showing products but only so [TS]

  that it might be possible but you know [TS]

  for now I know we don't know if it's [TS]

  there i'm guessing them [TS]

  a sensible place to put it is probably [TS]

  on you know if that's gonna be one big [TS]

  flatscreen probably just like on the on [TS]

  the right side of that or something you [TS]

  know it's an area of that is actually [TS]

  touch ID sensor and not a screen but it [TS]

  just looks and maybe just like look [TS]

  straight black across the whole thing [TS]

  looks unified but it's actually like [TS]

  this part of screen this parts of sensor [TS]

  you know if you think about where else [TS]

  you put the touch ID sensor there's not [TS]

  really a lot of other good places that [TS]

  are plausible so i'm guessing it's there [TS]

  and then if you're going to have one [TS]

  area of that b-flat to be a touch ID [TS]

  sensor and not be a key it would look [TS]

  weird if there were a whole bunch of [TS]

  keys next to it and the keys and like [TS]

  one key with short of the right side it [TS]

  connects the flat area there so it's [TS]

  probably gonna be all screen across the [TS]

  whole thing [TS]

  yeah i'm not i'm not sure what to make [TS]

  of this but I am excited and and I think [TS]

  it's worth recognizing that this [TS]

  hopefully will be something new in [TS]

  different about the macbook line for the [TS]

  macbook pro line and we haven't really [TS]

  seen that much different in a long time [TS]

  I mean there's certainly been [TS]

  incremental improvements and I love my [TS]

  work macbook pro and God do I love my 5k [TS]

  imac but this is something new and [TS]

  exciting and different and I kind of [TS]

  like that we're trying something new and [TS]

  it's not just the ones at the titanium [TS]

  powerbook whatever that kind of started [TS]

  this whole unibody look it's not a [TS]

  continuation of that just another you [TS]

  know photocopy or perhaps slightly [TS]

  shrunken version of that it's something [TS]

  that's a little bit different and that's [TS]

  exciting [TS]

  so what do you think this is the 13-inch [TS]

  macbook one it's not wedge-shaped isn't [TS]

  that kind of the signifier of that of [TS]

  the sort of ultraportable macbook one [TS]

  line is that it would be wedge-shaped i [TS]

  don't know i mean what would have [TS]

  13-inch macbook one before you know if [TS]

  you think about like bigger screen [TS]

  ok bigger screen but then what what what [TS]

  could differentiate it [TS]

  what could justify existing compared to [TS]

  just 13 inch macbook pro which at which [TS]

  the new version will probably be almost [TS]

  than light as the current 13-inch [TS]

  macbook air so like why why does that [TS]

  product need to exist and i have a hard [TS]

  time answering my question honestly [TS]

  whatever wimpy wimpy your cpu maybe you [TS]

  could still be fanless they could put [TS]

  the like the fastest of the fanless cpus [TS]

  in there giving more battery because [TS]

  it's bigger and [TS]

  a bigger screen i don't know i mean that [TS]

  if I'm trying to think of that when I [TS]

  picture a macbook one since it's only [TS]

  been one model line in that you know one [TS]

  physical shape for that model line I [TS]

  think of a kind of like the areas where [TS]

  there was 11 chair and the 13 chair and [TS]

  they're both here shaped and the 13-inch [TS]

  had a bigger screen and more battery [TS]

  life but otherwise not much [TS]

  differentiation [TS]

  I mean what if it's for price you know [TS]

  what if what if this is how they [TS]

  eventually replace the macbook air is by [TS]

  just making these like cheaper more [TS]

  limited computers at the low end and [TS]

  then the macbook pro is is the [TS]

  profitable one [TS]

  ya see ya in a little picture they show [TS]

  you can see the little connector in the [TS]

  upper right which I imagined like there [TS]

  has to be connector for the screen right [TS]

  yeah I suppose you can have the same [TS]

  connector for both the screen the touch [TS]

  ID but there's also a little opening on [TS]

  the left side that like a ribbon cable [TS]

  could go through so if the ribbon cable [TS]

  connects to the screen that could be all [TS]

  the screens to the connector which would [TS]

  lead leave that thing on the right tree [TS]

  for touch ID but also the left side just [TS]

  looks like a physical mounting point to [TS]

  me but I don't know what I mean who [TS]

  knows what we will probably hopefully [TS]

  know soon enough from apple but but yeah [TS]

  I i think if it's if it's the macbook [TS]

  pro the image the 13-inch macbook pro [TS]

  then you know [TS]

  ok then then it makes I think it makes [TS]

  more sense that way honestly even though [TS]

  we'd lose you lose some of the ports and [TS]

  things are on the current one and some [TS]

  people get mad [TS]

  well that's what Apple's best that is [TS]

  angry people who like the old laptop so [TS]

  you know that it in the name of business [TS]

  before four USB seaports that's a really [TS]

  pretty big number for apple and I think [TS]

  you can do a lot with four USB ports [TS]

  like just one of those ports you can do [TS]

  a lot with a bunch of adapters but [TS]

  having for the means you're probably not [TS]

  going to run out of ports you may be in [TS]

  Northeast have to carry a bunch of [TS]

  adapters around but I think for them is [TS]

  enough for a 13-inch because you can do [TS]

  pretty much anything from any one of [TS]

  those points you have a monitor USB [TS]

  thumb drive an ethernet cable and an [TS]

  external hard drive and I feel like that [TS]

  that is plenty of things hanging off of [TS]

  and you connect so much more for just [TS]

  one of those if you have like a [TS]

  thunderbolt breakout box or never [TS]

  yeah exactly and then that also this one [TS]

  of the biggest things I'm looking [TS]

  forward to the USBC Thunderbolt three [TS]

  transition because you know we find [TS]

  only will have liked more assuming that [TS]

  these are real assuming the laptops at [TS]

  least some of them are getting four [TS]

  ports total i would love to have four [TS]

  USB port on my laptop I'm always running [TS]

  I'm always using like both of mine [TS]

  usually like at least one of them is [TS]

  charging something or something else [TS]

  like I'm always using those when i [TS]

  travel so that be I you know I'm looking [TS]

  forward to the future but I do wonder [TS]

  like it it's such a weird wild cards [TS]

  like you know it assuming this is the [TS]

  13-inch macbook one and not 13-inch [TS]

  macbook pro how why they justify having [TS]

  four ports on the 13 inch version of [TS]

  this computer where the 12 inch version [TS]

  has one you know it's just weird it's [TS]

  like this is a weird leak of what [TS]

  appears to be a very like a product that [TS]

  raises a lot of questions that might end [TS]

  up being awesome whatever it is but but [TS]

  they did certainly certainly raises a [TS]

  lot of questions still has a headphone [TS]

  port 21 like the rumored iphone well [TS]

  doesn't it is your right [TS]

  yeah yes I know it's at the weird thing [TS]

  to me is the dropping of the magsafe in [TS]

  this in this kind of enclosure like if [TS]

  it's if it's big enough and high-powered [TS]

  enough to have four USB ports and no [TS]

  magsafe then you know that it's charging [TS]

  through this then and if that can do it [TS]

  then why then could the 15-inch also do [TS]

  it i don't know i don't know it's a [TS]

  whole bunch of questions here but I [TS]

  don't like this this is looking like [TS]

  it's going to it's going to be a pretty [TS]

  great update as to why this one's not [TS]

  tapered I commend whatever decision led [TS]

  to this not being tapered because I [TS]

  don't always go for it to ya but I'm [TS]

  just saying like if I have to think of [TS]

  what defines the macbook one line it's [TS]

  like not only is it so insanely thin but [TS]

  there wasn't enough that they have to [TS]

  make one edge like it then enough to [TS]

  slice cheese [TS]

  well also you know keep it you know get [TS]

  account so much what I said last episode [TS]

  about like kind of defending deep [TS]

  keyboards because keyboards away almost [TS]

  nothing in laptops Joey when you're when [TS]

  you're defining like the the thickness [TS]

  of the laptop your limited really by how [TS]

  much you know how to wait you're willing [TS]

  to devote to battery basically because [TS]

  batteries are generally like one of the [TS]

  heaviest things inside of modern [TS]

  computing devices it might be heaviest [TS]

  thing depending on the device and so and [TS]

  the way you make computers thinner and [TS]

  lighter is not by just like putting the [TS]

  case in half and saying all right now [TS]

  just kind of shove everything in tighter [TS]

  I mean that's part of it but the way you [TS]

  make them thinner and lighter is you [TS]

  first make them lighter by removing [TS]

  battery and you remove battery by [TS]

  removing the need for as much batteries [TS]

  you had before but usually comes in [TS]

  power advancements in how much power the [TS]

  screen and processor both draw usually [TS]

  processors bigger one but anyway so easy [TS]

  ideas you know you you develop [TS]

  technology you develop savings you [TS]

  figure out a way to make the processor [TS]

  and everything else use less power then [TS]

  you need less less battery mass in there [TS]

  to achieve the same better life you had [TS]

  before to achieve a people consider [TS]

  acceptable so then you can shrink the [TS]

  battery and then you can kind of shrink [TS]

  the case around it like now you have [TS]

  recently card how how thin community can [TS]

  make this case that only has to hold X [TS]

  amount of battery plus it with the other [TS]

  parts I think the reason the macbook one [TS]

  is as thin as it is and and the reason [TS]

  it's wedge-shaped is because they were [TS]

  probably first targeting a weight goal [TS]

  because that makes more sense you know [TS]

  it's like okay well now [TS]

  Intel's making this new 5-watt cpu that [TS]

  so we can make a family and everything [TS]

  so if we make computer that's small [TS]

  enough with a smaller screen it uses the [TS]

  cpu it will only need this little tiny [TS]

  amount of battery inside so then how do [TS]

  you make the thinnest case possible to [TS]

  contain these parts and they had to [TS]

  still have some even though it's very [TS]

  little some room for a keyboard in there [TS]

  so but he didn't need the wrist rest [TS]

  area was filled with battery didn't need [TS]

  it to be any thicker because any thicker [TS]

  and they would just been empty space or [TS]

  more battery driven the weight up in [TS]

  which they didn't want so you make the [TS]

  front of it as thin as it can be also [TS]

  love my battery and make the back of it [TS]

  as thick as it needs to be to fit the [TS]

  keyboard and the other parts and that's [TS]

  how you get a wedge-shaped so they [TS]

  weren't they weren't necessarily [TS]

  targeting the wedge they did the wedge [TS]

  because they just didn't need any more [TS]

  space in the front half of the laptop so [TS]

  if this you know that if this part is [TS]

  real and this is actually a member of [TS]

  the macbook one line and not the macbook [TS]

  pro line it certainly raises the [TS]

  question of what the heck is all that [TS]

  extra space for and as far as I can [TS]

  guess what didn't the macbook ones cpu [TS]

  architecture that with that with the [TS]

  crazy until five one thing didn't have [TS]

  like a very low limit on how many ports [TS]

  you could even drive with the chipset so [TS]

  maybe this isn't using the CPUs at all [TS]

  businesses using some other Intel [TS]

  low-wattage chip that's higher end than [TS]

  the than the core m and then that's how [TS]

  it's driving all these ports but then it [TS]

  needs that all this additional battery [TS]

  to to function into to have a simple [TS]

  battery life which of course then raises [TS]

  the question of what the heck is a [TS]

  difference between that and the macbook [TS]

  pro all that empty space in the front is [TS]

  for speaker cavities right like the ipad [TS]

  pro 4 speakers tell you what that'd be [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  that'd be amazing but no I doubt it we [TS]

  have so much space left on this case we [TS]

  don't even know what to do with it [TS]

  cabinets speaker cavities for everybody [TS]

  or anything else about these laptops i [TS]

  I'm looking forward to hearing what [TS]

  these actually are in seeing them [TS]

  because I i educate Casey like you know [TS]

  major changes to to like the the mac [TS]

  designs don't happen very often and [TS]

  especially to like the main workhorse [TS]

  computers like it's one thing to [TS]

  introduce a brand-new tiny little [TS]

  macbook one at an event but you know [TS]

  everyone's the macbook pros it's a whole [TS]

  thing to totally redesigned the macbook [TS]

  pro or the imac or the mac pro these are [TS]

  these are major events in the product [TS]

  line and it's exciting and it's exciting [TS]

  you know for for those of us who have [TS]

  and love our max it's and it's and it's [TS]

  kind of reassuring it's nice to know [TS]

  that the company that seems like cares a [TS]

  whole lot more about iOS devices that [TS]

  they haven't forgotten about the mac in [TS]

  the process that the mac is still being [TS]

  actively developed being evolved and you [TS]

  know and having attention put on it [TS]

  really yeah the thing is to kind of [TS]

  build on what you and I have both said [TS]

  earlier is that they clearly Apple [TS]

  clearly takes messing with the macbook [TS]

  pro and even the the non-pro line very [TS]

  seriously like they don't tend to make a [TS]

  really crummy decisions like yeah we all [TS]

  we all complain to mount a little bit [TS]

  about the macbook one but at least you [TS]

  could understand what they were going [TS]

  for their and for them to be messing [TS]

  with a design that really does work i [TS]

  mean i have loved every macbook pro ever [TS]

  owned and and i love the one that work [TS]

  gave me and and i'm very anxious to see [TS]

  this new one because if they're going to [TS]

  change something that that is so [TS]

  important in that and that works so well [TS]

  because the design that they have today [TS]

  I really do love then it's gonna have to [TS]

  be something good [TS]

  this isn't the playground like the [TS]

  iphone or the ipad [TS]

  things change fairly frequently this is [TS]

  kind of the slow and steady wins the [TS]

  race [TS]

  sort of a product for them and so [TS]

  because of that I'm really really [TS]

  anxious I'm really really excited to see [TS]

  it and also dreading it because I'm [TS]

  gonna want to buy a laptop and I really [TS]

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  alright so sticking with hardware for a [TS]

  moment let's talk about this rumored [TS]

  external 5k display this is all coming [TS]

  back again I don't remember what it was [TS]

  we talked about this but it was quite a [TS]

  while ago all coming up tipster it's all [TS]

  coming up tipster and so just earlier [TS]

  today as we record this [TS]

  there's been increased rumors about the [TS]

  potential of a new cinema display [TS]

  Thunderbolt Display given that stock [TS]

  seems to be running out everywhere so [TS]

  any new thoughts on this do you think [TS]

  this is real or is John finally getting [TS]

  his external retina display so he can [TS]

  get his stupid trashcan mac pro what we [TS]

  thinking the story the angle of the [TS]

  story of scene i think we did discuss [TS]

  all this in past episodes that maybe we [TS]

  did it off air maybe will happen to the [TS]

  chat room at all kind of blends together [TS]

  but the the angle of the story is a new [TS]

  fireplace place fine but then everyone's [TS]

  like oh how are they going to plug this [TS]

  into Macintosh computers and make an [TS]

  image appear on the screen and everyone [TS]

  is going through all the displayport [TS]

  specs and seeing that they don't give [TS]

  enough bandwidth and trying to figure it [TS]

  out and going around and around and [TS]

  eventually the GPU and the display idea [TS]

  comes out so just as a review in case we [TS]

  actually didn't discuss it was all in [TS]

  the chatroom the the idea is that you [TS]

  can power it with displayport because [TS]

  there's not enough bandwidth you can let [TS]

  you connect two wires which is kind of [TS]

  what it happens internally on the imac [TS]

  or can happen externally on current max [TS]

  but everyone believes that I won't do [TS]

  that because it's gross [TS]

  you don't have two wires connect your [TS]

  actual display and Intel is not going to [TS]

  have the words that display board 1.4 or [TS]

  whatever whatever standard is that has [TS]

  the band with the power 5k 1.3 I believe [TS]

  maybe it's 1.30 everybody the way it's [TS]

  not going to be in the sky like things [TS]

  is not going to be in the next one even [TS]

  I think it's like the long ways out so [TS]

  even though displayport will eventually [TS]

  supported doesn't look like any of the [TS]

  current max are going to and so the only [TS]

  thing left is something weird and people [TS]

  think proprietary but really is not [TS]

  proprietary just plain old Thunderbolts [TS]

  because remember Thunderbolt speck has [TS]

  been with allocated for data transfer [TS]

  and also [TS]

  displayport and the ideas they will [TS]

  ignore displayport it will connect to it [TS]

  as if it's just a thunderbolt three [TS]

  device and it will be running [TS]

  pci-express over a wire and the thing of [TS]

  the other end of the wire will be this [TS]

  monitor that has some sort of PCI [TS]

  Express Terminator so that from the [TS]

  perspective of the mac that you have [TS]

  connected to it looks like the monitor [TS]

  itself is a video card and then it [TS]

  starts to go hazy and like well as the [TS]

  GPU entirely in the monitor maybe for [TS]

  laptops that don't even have a GPU they [TS]

  can drive it anyway the GPU in the [TS]

  monitor will handle it but what about [TS]

  something like the mac pro we're surely [TS]

  the mac pro itself will have a better [TS]

  GPU the monitor [TS]

  well if they updated at night yeah it [TS]

  will use internal GPU but then just use [TS]

  pci-express to communicate that the [TS]

  image information over to the monitor [TS]

  and then the monitor will act as a [TS]

  pci-express device even though all the [TS]

  GPU stuff is happening on the mac pro [TS]

  anyway bottom line is not display port [TS]

  that's the best baby answer that we all [TS]

  think of how they're going to drive this [TS]

  5k monitor from a bunch of Max biggest [TS]

  under bolt and use it as the same as all [TS]

  those thunderbolts pci-express breakout [TS]

  box is only this will be a breakout [TS]

  monitor box [TS]

  yeah i mean this is one of those things [TS]

  where like there's a lot of people [TS]

  making a lot of like blanket statements [TS]

  of well this isn't possible because of X [TS]

  and the reality is this stuff is all [TS]

  very complicated most of us who are [TS]

  making these statements don't have a [TS]

  full understanding of all the stuff [TS]

  that's involved and what actually is [TS]

  possible and what actually is impossible [TS]

  and what's you know what's kind of just [TS]

  a thing we heard the reality is the more [TS]

  I learn about this the more I learned [TS]

  that it's way more complicated than I [TS]

  thought [TS]

  there are actually ways to do it with [TS]

  the with current hardware or the near [TS]

  future hardware and so it's really just [TS]

  a question of like you know has [TS]

  everything gotten together in time and [TS]

  we know what will support it and when [TS]

  will it come out and mobile plug into [TS]

  and it seems like up the answer almost [TS]

  all those things kind of like well [TS]

  that's up to apple it's okay i think [TS]

  it's too early to say really [TS]

  and I've had a long time to work this [TS]

  out an apple does have experience for [TS]

  example having dual GP laptops and [TS]

  dealing with the GPU switching that's [TS]

  another question people have like happen [TS]

  you have a GPU in the monitor will be [TS]

  yanked the cable out of the monitor [TS]

  first of all yanking the cable out [TS]

  monitors historically has always been a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  weird not just went over Thunderbolts [TS]

  right but Apple has some experience [TS]

  dealing with multiple gpus running [TS]

  multiple displays and laptops granted [TS]

  without all the experience is great but [TS]

  presumably apples the company can they [TS]

  can do it because they know all the [TS]

  hardware involved that they control the [TS]

  monitor side they control the mac side [TS]

  and surely will be limited to support [TS]

  for you know for certain collection of [TS]

  Max that can do this and it will [TS]

  probably require a new OS update and all [TS]

  this other stuff and we just waited so [TS]

  long like how how long is the [TS]

  Thunderbolt Display been out for think [TS]

  you saw the date five lives it's been [TS]

  like four years five years I don't know [TS]

  it's it's been a long time [TS]

  yeah well it's and it's especially [TS]

  because it's it's barely different from [TS]

  the LED cinema display that came before [TS]

  it right you just uploaded with a [TS]

  thunderbolt with the having more person [TS]

  going over Thunderbolt yeah july twenty [TS]

  there you go yeah that's a long time so [TS]

  I so it is entirely technical pasta [TS]

  technically possible now for apple to [TS]

  launch both our new mac pro apple please [TS]

  and for a external 5k display that a [TS]

  bunch of the laptops that they will also [TS]

  introduce can drive now is it possible [TS]

  that existing laptops can drive it to [TS]

  probably maybe especially the GPU in the [TS]

  monitor that sufficient to drive the [TS]

  monitor itself and this will be a weird [TS]

  solution but it's better than waiting [TS]

  for the next waiting for the display [TS]

  prospective support system waiting year [TS]

  many more years for intel chipsets to [TS]

  support their think this is far [TS]

  preferable so I really want Apple to do [TS]

  this we've all waited long enough for an [TS]

  external 5k display its time and mac [TS]

  prompted well i'm willing to believe [TS]

  that is not in the cards for wec like [TS]

  I'm trying to keep my expectations tamp [TS]

  down but surely announcement of new [TS]

  laptops and surely an announcement of a [TS]

  5k display [TS]

  oh I keep seeing more people already a [TS]

  cue for definitely later in the year so [TS]

  they could even they can even skip this [TS]

  and announce it not a wi don't [TS]

  understand why they would but they could [TS]

  if they wanted to give all the glory the [TS]

  WBC stage two [TS]

  I don't know what could possibly Trump [TS]

  this iphone stuff the Swift stuff [TS]

  renaming mac OS and iOS i don't know [TS]

  like who knows what they have planned [TS]

  but this year for sure right guys mm I [TS]

  sure hope I mean I'm really excited for [TS]

  you have works out I don't know if I can [TS]

  handle it doesn't you know even if they [TS]

  release the mac pro you know John's not [TS]

  gonna buy it [TS]

  that's true you don't know that you [TS]

  don't know that all saving my pennies [TS]

  mmm your first first you're going to say [TS]

  well I want to wait and see make sure [TS]

  that doesn't have any big problems went [TS]

  away for other people to buy it first of [TS]

  course I'm gonna do that of course i'm [TS]

  going to wonder what about everything [TS]

  right and so then so six months in we're [TS]

  going to remember to ask you better he [TS]

  said on the wait six months to find [TS]

  we're gonna say hey John remember when [TS]

  you said you're waiting for the first [TS]

  people to buy my first has been awhile [TS]

  there no problem so when you bite into [TS]

  it well so true i wish i had better gpus [TS]

  or the gaming performance is not good [TS]

  here and and no it's so expensive and so [TS]

  I think my mac pro still gonna work for [TS]

  a little bit longer I can get a few more [TS]

  years out of it until the next one and [TS]

  then two years into the psyche like well [TS]

  it now it's pretty old another way to [TS]

  the next one comes out smacks gonna [TS]

  break someday right can't last forever [TS]

  and those are with macros are pretty [TS]

  solid it is tempting to try to go for 10 [TS]

  years and no no it's not but would you [TS]

  you would you or 10 years like for milk [TS]

  in your fridge not like it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't matter well number is where this [TS]

  is not the kind of area we should [TS]

  achieve incredible longevity of like [TS]

  your main computer just for this just [TS]

  for the heck of it was a great when i [TS]

  upgrade my ps4 to a faster version wimax [TS]

  it's there continues not to be upgraded [TS]

  how many gaming systems have you bought [TS]

  in the time you've had that mac pro ball [TS]

  at all what my n64 came out before this [TS]

  right well i think the police ticket but [TS]

  you have 360 right know that I think 360 [TS]

  came out before it but did the ps3 ID [TS]

  the ps3 but before that was like oh six [TS]

  or something like that right yeah it's [TS]

  not a get consultation for like seven [TS]

  years for the ps3 still haven't [TS]

  oh good [TS]

  and what else is going on let's see here [TS]

  I'm we didn't talk about Apple [TS]

  potentially opening up Siri and [TS]

  developing an echo rival we mentioned [TS]

  the article but then we got off on [TS]

  another tangent about apple and services [TS]

  stuff we would never do that [TS]

  us but that was that was the the [TS]

  headline of the story was you know an [TS]

  echo rival and the Syria opening up i [TS]

  guess we didn't talk too much about the [TS]

  API aspect of it but we mostly just [TS]

  talked about apple and services [TS]

  yeah so apparently apple may be opening [TS]

  up Siri there may be an echo rival and [TS]

  that's about all we know which is to say [TS]

  basically nothing was this the article [TS]

  that said or maybe heard that somewhere [TS]

  else that the idea of opening up series [TS]

  that it wouldn't be as open as the [TS]

  skills are on the echo still be more [TS]

  kind of at least initially for like [TS]

  select partners to have Siri integration [TS]

  i got i don't quite understand what the [TS]

  holdup is on having an official api for [TS]

  Siri Apple loves api's WWDC is all about [TS]

  API is like they're all just look at [TS]

  these great new API integrate this into [TS]

  your apt to write that into your app [TS]

  your app should have one of these and [TS]

  get serious like ya know nothing for you [TS]

  this year like it's been so long it it [TS]

  seems like they could have come up with [TS]

  the safest possible Syria integration [TS]

  maybe you would be useless maybe know [TS]

  and use it but I get the ball rolling on [TS]

  the idea that Syria is not just like [TS]

  this feature of your phone but rather is [TS]

  an API that your apps can integrate with [TS]

  to make you know your apps can make [TS]

  Syria more useful in the same way to [TS]

  share sheets made like every app on the [TS]

  system more useful just implement the [TS]

  new sheet API and suddenly everybody's [TS]

  apps can all work together to make [TS]

  everybody songs more useful series [TS]

  should be exactly the same but isn't I i [TS]

  really hope that this report is true [TS]

  that there is siri p I being unveiled [TS]

  soon because as a developer i would love [TS]

  it and there are so many things that [TS]

  like I would love for myself to access [TS]

  to I would love for other developers [TS]

  have access to it i would love to as a [TS]

  user for other developers who have [TS]

  access to it so i can do so much better [TS]

  stuff with Siri i really hope this is [TS]

  real [TS]

  I recognize it's a very hard problem to [TS]

  solve in a way that Apple be happy with [TS]

  and it is not that surprising to me that [TS]

  they don't have an API that they have [TS]

  had an API yet [TS]

  up to this point because it is a very [TS]

  hard problem to [TS]

  solving a way Apple would find tolerable [TS]

  but it's time it's really time you know [TS]

  as we see other other voice assistant [TS]

  platforms having API is and adding api's [TS]

  and coming soon with ap is it this is an [TS]

  area where I just really hope Apple [TS]

  keeps up i guess and you know as we [TS]

  talked about last week I i really really [TS]

  hope that they they bring competitive in [TS]

  this area because it's exciting it could [TS]

  be really cool [TS]

  it's it's very useful a lot of times and [TS]

  i hope i can participate in that is an [TS]

  Apple user and an apple developer you [TS]

  know thinking of the api's and thinking [TS]

  about the the Amazon echo skills system [TS]

  is it it's not like Apple hasn't done a [TS]

  PS like that before i'm thinking of the [TS]

  passbook API before they changed it to [TS]

  Walter remember tomorrow's that was like [TS]

  it was pretty easy for you know Airlines [TS]

  or whatever integrate with passbook it [TS]

  was just like it was very well be it was [TS]

  very sort of make a rest assured [TS]

  endpoint that sends and receives json in [TS]

  this format and send some simple markup [TS]

  and in the app look like these little [TS]

  cards and you know I think it's probably [TS]

  say maybe are for the wall thing I don't [TS]

  think they changed that much that is [TS]

  exactly the API that you can use for [TS]

  skills in terms of integrating series [TS]

  now with with iOS apps muchas with other [TS]

  backend services and stuff like that to [TS]

  be able to ask Siri questions and have [TS]

  skills installed the let Syria ask [TS]

  something other than wolframalpha to get [TS]

  questions about but most importantly [TS]

  gasp ESPN for more detailed sports [TS]

  information or whatever like that type [TS]

  of system that is an API is like an [TS]

  apple has never made those api's or [TS]

  they've done it it's rare but it's [TS]

  possible and it's you know it's 60 [TS]

  successful like passbook and all that [TS]

  stuff had pretty wide adoption pretty [TS]

  quickly because it's like we don't [TS]

  really care that much we don't know how [TS]

  much people are gonna use it but it's so [TS]

  easy to do throw one web developer out [TS]

  for a few weeks every airline did it it [TS]

  was fine and continues to serve lurch [TS]

  along right they could do that with Siri [TS]

  easily maybe they just don't think that [TS]

  sufficient maybe they have bigger plans [TS]

  with this the new you know whatever [TS]

  rumored much better serie the other [TS]

  thing I was thinking of is that if there [TS]

  during the whole mac OS renaming with a [TS]

  lowercase M AC capital OS it's a good [TS]

  time to perhaps think about and end of [TS]

  series going to appear on the new ver [TS]

  no the mac operating system good time to [TS]

  think about rebranding / combining [TS]

  spotlight in Syria which have been sort [TS]

  of merging and dancing around each other [TS]

  for years [TS]

  I don't know who wins probably Syria [TS]

  instead of spotlight but how can you [TS]

  have two different things that are all [TS]

  very similar the great should be [TS]

  integrated you I wise branding and [TS]

  conceptually it's kind of confusing to [TS]

  have them like that so this would be a [TS]

  good time to unify those brands too and [TS]

  if you did that spotlight does have an [TS]

  extension mechanism where you can write [TS]

  plugins to let your out your files be [TS]

  indexed on your Mac or whatever that's [TS]

  another good time to add a serie a p.i [TS]

  because once they're combined into one [TS]

  thing when you can add an API for I [TS]

  don't know like that again [TS]

  Apple that's what WBC is all about it's [TS]

  all about sessions where they have new [TS]

  AP is that you can use to make your apps [TS]

  cooler and that usually Apple wants you [TS]

  to incorporate their they're practically [TS]

  begging you to think of a reason think [TS]

  of a way that you can incorporate this [TS]

  new API I'll and all the sessions like [TS]

  you may not think you need this API your [TS]

  app let me show you some examples you [TS]

  can add you know a rotating 3d cube in [TS]

  the corner so you should use sink it [TS]

  like like they're very gung-ho about we [TS]

  have greater api's and you can [TS]

  incorporate them because by [TS]

  incorporating the new API is you add [TS]

  value to a platform and show its unique [TS]

  value proposition because i believe [TS]

  these api user you know something that [TS]

  the other platforms don't have things [TS]

  that could be worth over there api's are [TS]

  more complicated or whatever so yeah I [TS]

  guess this is the time of year where did [TS]

  everything seems possible WC all our [TS]

  dreams will come true and everything we [TS]

  thought of will be announced at the [TS]

  keynote will have 15 sessions but [TS]

  obviously they can't all fit in so we'll [TS]

  see what gets dropped on the floor so [TS]

  quick aside are you in favor of or [TS]

  against os10 becoming mac OS [TS]

  athletically I'm pretty against but in [TS]

  terms of its time for a rebrand I'm for [TS]

  but I don't like the lowercase them a [TS]

  CEOs but i think it's just like the drop [TS]

  the cats if you want to rename it after [TS]

  so many versions to do a different thing [TS]

  get rid of the 10 and the ex thing and [TS]

  like no yeah sure we named it but I [TS]

  really don't like the locus thing but [TS]

  I'll live with it and I think it'd be [TS]

  good i think it's time i'm ready yeah me [TS]

  too i'm in favor you know the [TS]

  capitalization of the mac aside you know [TS]

  I don't really have a strong opinion [TS]

  that you know i would think it'd be cool [TS]

  to his cap [TS]

  because it can be you know an old-school [TS]

  reference and can't just fits better as [TS]

  a reference if there's no space but but [TS]

  yeah outside of their name [TS]

  we have a new sponsor this week your [TS]

  sponsored by eero ter o0 now 0 is a new [TS]

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  works now almost everybody i know who's [TS]

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  almost everybody there's always like [TS]

  areas of low reception or dead zones or [TS]

  parts they're just really slow what you [TS]

  really need is multiple access points [TS]

  multiple Wi-Fi routers to cover the area [TS]

  of your house it's just it's very hard [TS]

  to have one super powerful one that you [TS]

  put hopefully near the middle of your [TS]

  house and have that have adequate [TS]

  coverage so 10 is a system that makes it [TS]

  super-easy to have multiple Wi-Fi [TS]

  routers in your house that all talk to [TS]

  each other and automatically configure [TS]

  themselves to basically just plug them [TS]

  in wherever you need them roughly one [TS]

  per thousand square feet so most homes [TS]

  in the u.s. you have either two or three [TS]

  of them you designate one of them as [TS]

  your router and you plug that one in [TS]

  with a wire to your your modem or [TS]

  internet connection every further into [TS]

  ethernet the other to use plug those in [TS]

  somewhere else in your house and they [TS]

  communicate with each other on a [TS]

  secondary mesh network and so it's [TS]

  faster than white than typical Wi-Fi [TS]

  range extender because it uses dual [TS]

  radios you don't worry about the the [TS]

  throughput being horrible and it's [TS]

  automatically configured through they're [TS]

  really nice app so it will basically [TS]

  solves the home Wi-Fi coverage problem [TS]

  in a way that it's I've never seen [TS]

  anything that was as easy to set up as [TS]

  this so you guys have them right [TS]

  how do you think I'm really impressed i [TS]

  wasn't sure if i would just throw them [TS]

  on and then kind of trying out and put [TS]

  them away but i think they have replaced [TS]

  my very old airport extreme alright [TS]

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  our show [TS]

  so iphone 7 another talk or maybe tick i [TS]

  didn't i didn't see the first tell me [TS]

  about this and talk hey christina warren [TS]

  oracle at Mashable talking about the [TS]

  iphone 7 we talked a lot about it [TS]

  already dropping the headphone port and [TS]

  we've seen the spy shots where it looks [TS]

  a lot like the iphone 6 but the antenna [TS]

  lines are a little bit moved around and [TS]

  the big ones gonna have two cameras and [TS]

  so on and so forth [TS]

  this story was the sort of Medicine [TS]

  worry about okay assuming all that's [TS]

  pretty much the case [TS]

  hey the iphone 7 doesn't really look [TS]

  that different than the iphone 6 and hit [TS]

  for a long time now the iphone has been [TS]

  on the thing where they make a new case [TS]

  design then they put faster innards in [TS]

  it the negative cases I'm input faster [TS]

  and resent it and they're calling the [TS]

  tick-tock strategy unfortunately now [TS]

  that Intel's let's talk strategy and I [TS]

  have a solid grasp exactly what is the [TS]

  second was the talk really there they [TS]

  said all the iphone 7 will be as if it [TS]

  was Tik Tok Tok when really it should be [TS]

  talk tik tik it's confusing and anyway [TS]

  the iphone 7 really be another tick the [TS]

  stick is the shrink and shrink is the [TS]

  boring one where it's the same thing but [TS]

  they just put in a smaller size so and [TS]

  the talk is the exciting one the new [TS]

  architecture whatever anyway so dive on [TS]

  sex new form factor look different than [TS]

  its predecessor phone entirely down [TS]

  success looks like the six faster [TS]

  innards and the iphone 7 also kinda [TS]

  looks like this isn't success with [TS]

  faster innards and the the angle on the [TS]

  story is that this is a new three-year [TS]

  cycle for phones that they're not going [TS]

  to do the every other year thing they're [TS]

  slowing down a little bit possibly [TS]

  permanently or possibly just because the [TS]

  iphone 8 will be like the 10-year [TS]

  anniversary of the iphone and the rumors [TS]

  about that wonder like an edge-to-edge [TS]

  glass and it's super thin glass all over [TS]

  and it looks like it's really radical [TS]

  and amazing and wouldn't it be great to [TS]

  have a 10-year anniversary of the iphone [TS]

  with just as amazing your design that's [TS]

  something no one ever thought of so [TS]

  maybe the iphone 7 year this year is [TS]

  going to be a kind of boring year for a [TS]

  change where yet can be faster and cool [TS]

  and have different airlines and maybe [TS]

  some different colors and all the great [TS]

  stuff that we love the big moment have [TS]

  two cameras duo cool things but next [TS]

  year is the big one where the [TS]

  it's going to look totally different [TS]

  it's going to blow your mind is the [TS]

  touch ID sensor will be integrated into [TS]

  the screen and won't have any frame [TS]

  around the glass and who knows what the [TS]

  heck else it'll have and I'm not quite [TS]

  sure how I feel about that because I'm i [TS]

  have a6 and I skip the success and I was [TS]

  thinking of getting a 747 looks the same [TS]

  and if I know the ad is gonna be the [TS]

  crazy 10-year anniversary one is gonna [TS]

  be like my mac pro / gonna keep his eyes [TS]

  a little harder for the first and only [TS]

  i5 ever on how long you gonna keep using [TS]

  this cuz you know my iphone 6 is fine [TS]

  like it's it's still good i still like [TS]

  it [TS]

  the battery life is still decent eat [TS]

  your custom to using crappy ipod touch [TS]

  hardware John trust me it we we need to [TS]

  teach you as a first-time iphone we need [TS]

  to teach you how to be an iphone owner i [TS]

  need to get whatever two years I need to [TS]

  get whatever you ever want to be like [TS]

  you crazy people you're a tech podcaster [TS]

  just get one every year it's part of [TS]

  your job [TS]

  yeah I agree my wife has a success plus [TS]

  like i see that it's faster and [TS]

  everything is also giant but i don't [TS]

  think i need a new phone every I'll [TS]

  think about you do you know at least [TS]

  every 2 based every to but then like it [TS]

  then if i get these seven then when the [TS]

  10-year anniversary one comes out and [TS]

  it's awesome i'll be even more resistant [TS]

  to getting it i don't know i really have [TS]

  to think about it i really have to see [TS]

  what seven is like when you get the 6s [TS]

  and 6s or that whatever without this [TS]

  year don't think they're gonna go with [TS]

  SS just off the top of my head [TS]

  yeah let's hope not so so what when you [TS]

  get the one that comes out this year and [TS]

  then next year just one year later an [TS]

  amazing new one comes out get that one [TS]

  too [TS]

  I don't know you're a tech podcast this [TS]

  is what we do [TS]

  yeah that's the thing like I always [TS]

  wanted to go on the annual cycle and [TS]

  could never justify to myself and then [TS]

  it occurred to me we do make a little [TS]

  bit of money off of this show [TS]

  be it is sponsored for a reason and you [TS]

  know what a thousand $1,500 for however [TS]

  much damn iphone is these days where you [TS]

  get your iphone what the hell which are [TS]

  they know they're like they're like a [TS]

  tinderbox now on his back during the [TS]

  cost of the data plan [TS]

  yeah totally that's what I yeah okay [TS]

  yeah but anyway [TS]

  no but the point is you know even a well [TS]

  well equipped iphone you know it's what [TS]

  is it like a tinderbox that is not yet [TS]

  that yet so once a year i think i can [TS]

  afford that and I do consider to be part [TS]

  of that [TS]

  job of doing this podcast and and I [TS]

  don't think that's true of everyone like [TS]

  Aaron I've offered to get her new phonon [TS]

  off years for her and she's there I [TS]

  don't think I really need it and that's [TS]

  fine i don't think that's a bad thing [TS]

  before the podcast i wanted it but I [TS]

  never get it but John you make a few [TS]

  dollars in the show it's time isn't this [TS]

  why we do the podcast I'm i want my wife [TS]

  has this year's phone and she has a5k [TS]

  imac she's all swanky and the fancy new [TS]

  hardware [TS]

  I'm the the one with the on the other [TS]

  hand i'd i have been by more games [TS]

  recently so that's how I spoil myself I [TS]

  mean it is the polite thing to do as as [TS]

  the tech podcaster to make sure that [TS]

  you're the other members of your family [TS]

  are adequately set up with technology so [TS]

  you you doing that part right but you [TS]

  know you do have to you know think of [TS]

  yourself as well hear you you don't buy [TS]

  an iphone and sit on it for three years [TS]

  with the next one might be good [TS]

  well anyway but my particularly you [TS]

  decide what do you guys think of having [TS]

  like a and an off year where they just [TS]

  kind of cruise with like another x-ray [TS]

  vision while we wait for what we hope [TS]

  will be an amazing anyone do you think [TS]

  that's a good idea bad idea can lower [TS]

  the price if they do that can I get they [TS]

  get their margins up like why is this [TS]

  something that will do i mean lets you [TS]

  know think about you know first of all [TS]

  as a huge disclaimer here we are you [TS]

  know this is really talking about is an [TS]

  external case design like every new [TS]

  generation of iphone has been a [TS]

  substantial upgrade from the one before [TS]

  it so far [TS]

  you know the the ones that have the S on [TS]

  the end [TS]

  look about the same or exactly the same [TS]

  but they still have really significant [TS]

  upgrades all of them have so what we're [TS]

  talking about here if if they actually [TS]

  do what this rumor might say they're [TS]

  really just saying like you know we're [TS]

  not going to change the case this time [TS]

  you know what normally would have [TS]

  changed his case this time this but you [TS]

  know now we're going to give another [TS]

  year and change the case next year that [TS]

  matters a lot less really then [TS]

  everything else all told I mean granted [TS]

  sometimes the case changes come with [TS]

  things like screen size changes which is [TS]

  nice and important but you know [TS]

  ultimately i think it's not that big of [TS]

  a deal as long as they have the like a [TS]

  good set of iphone gut as long as the [TS]

  good phone and it's and it's a decent [TS]

  upgrade from the success in input [TS]

  certain ways like if you know that if [TS]

  the rumors are true that like the [TS]

  cameras getting a lot better especially [TS]

  the plus-size one then that's a big deal [TS]

  you know I'm so you know it all depends [TS]

  on like what else the upgrade if it's a [TS]

  compelling upgrade for that for the [TS]

  privilege of us who upgrade every year [TS]

  that I'll talk about how good it is or [TS]

  how good isn't it will be fine if it's a [TS]

  compelling upgrade for all the people [TS]

  who still have two and three-year-old [TS]

  phones to want to upgrade now instead of [TS]

  waiting for the crazy former dog last [TS]

  one next year whatever that's good for [TS]

  them to I do think though given the [TS]

  state of iphone sales at being you know [TS]

  the the growth is slowing and they're [TS]

  under all the scrutiny now I do think [TS]

  the timing of this is not good [TS]

  you know it's obviously this was [TS]

  probably decided before its quarterly [TS]

  results came in but it certainly the [TS]

  timing of an appearance of them slowing [TS]

  down or not trying as hard whether or [TS]

  not they actually are slowing down and [TS]

  no matter how hard they are trying it [TS]

  will appear as though they're like [TS]

  slacking off if they do this again so [TS]

  I'm I'm totally up for it I I don't [TS]

  really care for the six design that much [TS]

  but it's fine it's good enough i care [TS]

  more about the way the phone works and [TS]

  the internals so I'll be okay [TS]

  you know most of us will be ok people [TS]

  who buy the phones without doing a whole [TS]

  lot of research will be ok but i think [TS]

  in the public eye and for a lot of the [TS]

  for a lot of the press I think it will [TS]

  not be well received because people will [TS]

  think apple is kind of phoning it in [TS]

  no pun intended well but there are [TS]

  potential upside so i could think of a [TS]

  couple of sides one potentially the [TS]

  battery life could be better because if [TS]

  they're not making it thinner like [TS]

  that's the rumor that not only will look [TS]

  the same but that essentially like the [TS]

  cases will still fit and everything like [TS]

  or at the very least it won't be any [TS]

  thinner they always go down in power and [TS]

  find ways to eke out a little more power [TS]

  from you know the components if they [TS]

  keep the same amount of battery battery [TS]

  life should be better there right [TS]

  it will also presumably be cheaper for [TS]

  them to make because they won't have to [TS]

  have the new tooling and everything and [TS]

  then build those costs into the line of [TS]

  phones so they could either lower the [TS]

  price for consumers will make them sell [TS]

  more or they get higher margins on the [TS]

  ones they do sell so potentially even [TS]

  though it could be boring aesthetically [TS]

  and they could be stories written about [TS]

  how like you said they're not really [TS]

  trying or whatever when it comes time to [TS]

  report results depending on which one of [TS]

  those levers HR to pull they could have [TS]

  increase customer satisfactory life is [TS]

  better they get a higher asp because [TS]

  it's cheaper for them to make them or [TS]

  they could have more sales because they [TS]

  could actually sell it for a lower price [TS]

  or at least like adjust the price is [TS]

  like the top and then we'll still be the [TS]

  same price that would be a bad signal to [TS]

  send but they could mess with the prices [TS]

  and by the way luckily it seems like I'm [TS]

  just pulling I'm just believing what I [TS]

  want to play but anyway they were [TS]

  stories about the low-end model still [TS]

  being 16 gigs and then they were [TS]

  follow-up story said no no don't worry [TS]

  the bottom my 32 if they make the bottom [TS]

  and 32 that will also increase customers [TS]

  at probably won't increase the cost of [TS]

  goods any because people probably even [TS]

  sell them the stupid 16 gig chips [TS]

  anymore because it's insane [TS]

  so financially speaking like in terms of [TS]

  what results they report and how many of [TS]

  these things they sell everything and a [TS]

  another expedition could actually be [TS]

  really good for apple and really good [TS]

  for consumers especially if they [TS]

  actually do s stuff to it so the success [TS]

  they tried to make less slippery like [TS]

  the outside is a little bit less [TS]

  slippery right and you know obviously [TS]

  we're all the components and if there [TS]

  are any sort of manufacturing problems [TS]

  with like it was a little bit bending in [TS]

  the 60 they made the success stiffer if [TS]

  they keep doing that stuff like this is [TS]

  yet another s where it's like it's you [TS]

  know it's even less slippery and it's [TS]

  even stiffer and we've made it lighter [TS]

  and it gets better battery life and of [TS]

  course the into the components are all [TS]

  you know revised and faster and all that [TS]

  other good stuff [TS]

  this could really be like they've never [TS]

  had three shots at the same phone [TS]

  essentially before this could really be [TS]

  sort of a you know a third attempt at [TS]

  building a iphone 6 shaped phone where [TS]

  they've learned so much from the past [TS]

  two years of doing that this will really [TS]

  be a great phone to buy but when you [TS]

  look at it from the outside it will be [TS]

  boring and then whatever the 10-year [TS]

  anniversary phone is however you know [TS]

  very radical that is that in theory [TS]

  could have a bunch of weird problems but [TS]

  it will sell like hotcakes because it'll [TS]

  be sexy and new and everything so I I [TS]

  like breaking up cycles like that's any [TS]

  type of cycle you kind of get into it [TS]

  starts to feel like you're in here into [TS]

  a rut for a while I think there are a [TS]

  lot of potential upside to this but if [TS]

  you're going for like glam and trying to [TS]

  allow people thinking of like showing us [TS]

  on the stage it traditionally showing [TS]

  the new iphone has been especially when [TS]

  it's like you know even year whatever i [TS]

  do like when it went [TS]

  we're expecting that the big redesign [TS]

  has been like whoo ha i can't imagine [TS]

  how much going over the iphone 7 except [TS]

  for maybe the dual camera thing on the [TS]

  plus stuff I guess what has saved you [TS]

  and I for the 10-year anniversary and [TS]

  whatever that's gonna look like who you [TS]

  know I agree on uh I agree mostly with [TS]

  Marco that I think that the fallout from [TS]

  the media will be ugly but not just the [TS]

  media the public you know like Apple [TS]

  gets a lot of crap from regular people [TS]

  from the cosmic room whenever they don't [TS]

  change the outside design its it is not [TS]

  just like a couple articles from from [TS]

  like tech media trolls it's it's [TS]

  actually people care about this now [TS]

  that's a good point and a lot of people [TS]

  say oh I'm holding on you know I don't [TS]

  want to bother with an ass i want the [TS]

  new case and they saw him holding on for [TS]

  the seven or what have you [TS]

  I do think I don't know if I'd go so far [TS]

  as to say it's a good idea but I i don't [TS]

  i'm not frustrated by it and I in you [TS]

  know like i was saying a few minutes ago [TS]

  I like that my macbook pros over the [TS]

  last few years have been basically the [TS]

  same they've got a little bit thinner [TS]

  and a little bit lighter but the battery [TS]

  life has kept about the same they've [TS]

  gotten faster they've gotten better [TS]

  they've gotten retina screens I it so [TS]

  it's a formula that works and i'm the [TS]

  author of a problem with just iterating [TS]

  on a formula that works i think that [TS]

  there perhaps better choices of taste [TS]

  design than the six but I don't dislike [TS]

  it and if the formula works I don't have [TS]

  a problem with them sticking with it but [TS]

  the fallout from the press and to [TS]

  Marco's point a second ago from regular [TS]

  people is just going to be intolerable [TS]

  and there will be a part of me that will [TS]

  be like oh that's sad that we're not [TS]

  getting a new one this year but in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things I wouldn't be [TS]

  upset about it so I i don't know we'll [TS]

  see it it would be a very fascinating it [TS]

  would be fascinating to see the reaction [TS]

  if they do have a six SS gonna call the [TS]

  headphone no certainly not [TS]

  but whatever it can cause 6s plus area [TS]

  use that name [TS]

  what they called the seven even if it [TS]

  looks the same i would guess so it's [TS]

  nice to meet to me I think if they call [TS]

  it a seven that would make the the [TS]

  negative reception even worse you know [TS]

  the negative superficial reaction [TS]

  because people will be like remember [TS]

  remember with with like the iphone 5s [TS]

  the [TS]

  RS the forest was the one that made [TS]

  everyone loses their crap because it was [TS]

  like what was supposed to be the five [TS]

  and it's only for with a letter [TS]

  yeah like I'm going to wait 45 and it [TS]

  was like this massively like upgraded [TS]

  for boys got this new stuff with Siri [TS]

  difficult way faster chip and everything [TS]

  for us was a great phone it was an [TS]

  amazing i was a great upgrade and yeah [TS]

  and then you know everyone freaks out [TS]

  because they didn't call it five that's [TS]

  why I think they have to name it the [TS]

  seven though they have to give it like [TS]

  you can't if you do it the other way [TS]

  just reinforces story you have to give [TS]

  it the seven because they'll be like [TS]

  well it doesn't look very interesting [TS]

  but the number is one bigger so I guess [TS]

  it's no they can I mean I see the [TS]

  argument for that but I feel like the I [TS]

  feel like that would make people even [TS]

  more mad that like they call this the [TS]

  seven it's the same as the last one you [TS]

  know I I feel like that would that would [TS]

  make that worse [TS]

  yeah I I think you gotta put the numbers [TS]

  like that you even if the story will [TS]

  then be this doesn't justify the number [TS]

  7 not having the number seven is worse [TS]

  yeah that's where I'm coming from [TS]

  because then you then you then you're [TS]

  like you're like buying into the store [TS]

  anyway they could just go to think about [TS]

  the letters and so this is the new [TS]

  iphone for the numbers rather here [TS]

  here's here's how you solve this problem [TS]

  you're ready [TS]

  one simple problem you call the seven [TS]

  and you change all three four you change [TS]

  all four colors [TS]

  yeah like you even call them the same [TS]

  names and just may call them like [TS]

  lighter or darker just make them all [TS]

  look different [TS]

  visibly different animation and flower [TS]

  power it's time yeah [TS]

  stephen has finally had his day I was [TS]

  honestly i would love cool colored [TS]

  iphones personally but like even just [TS]

  even if you keep the same colors but [TS]

  that you offer now like the names just [TS]

  change them all make them all will make [TS]

  the phone look visibly different even if [TS]

  the exact same stupid case the exact [TS]

  same design adhesive make everything [TS]

  that matters you know make it all like [TS]

  the same physically make it look [TS]

  different and people be happy with that [TS]

  just you can still call space great [TS]

  because everything is great with all the [TS]

  greater effect how many space grades [TS]

  have their business about 14 goodness [TS]

  not and i will see what happens but uh [TS]

  it'll be an interesting fall if that's [TS]

  the case and I don't know I'm there's a [TS]

  large part of me that [TS]

  thinks maybe just slowing down isn't a [TS]

  bad thing we keep this the three of us [TS]

  especially keep talking about how how if [TS]

  the Apple stretched so thin and how [TS]

  they've got so much going on now granted [TS]

  that's usually about software but still [TS]

  it may be nice for Apple to have a [TS]

  rebuilding year they make a piece such a [TS]

  terrible thing and Wall Street just [TS]

  imploded anything that nobody should [TS]

  suggest that that the way for apples [TS]

  slowdown is to release the iphone less [TS]

  often [TS]

  oh my god all right Casey you should not [TS]

  direct Apple it sorry I mean in all [TS]

  fairness neither should i but still that [TS]

  that's the one option they should not [TS]

  look well I mean short for the purpose [TS]

  of wall street which granted is kind of [TS]

  the purpose for that entire company [TS]

  existing is to please Wall Street many [TS]

  ways but I don't know it would just be [TS]

  cool to see them breathe for a second [TS]

  and take a breath in and make the iphone [TS]

  8 even more amazing than we ever could [TS]

  have imagined they gotta think it should [TS]

  call the iphone 10 they're gonna skip 89 [TS]

  and called the iPhone 10 because it with [TS]

  10-year anniversary they can use Roman [TS]

  numerals they want they'll take the [TS]

  Roman or away from the mac operating [TS]

  system give it to the iphone [TS]

  there you go a conservation of excess so [TS]

  good and you have everybody's saying [TS]

  iphone access to my phone 10 and know [TS]

  that they should actually call iphone [TS]

  next like it's not a Roman numeral a [TS]

  capital letter X confused yet wait to [TS]

  wear your name more stuff iphone times [TS]

  you remember the the very brief OS 10 [TS]

  days to remember that what know the [TS]

  capital capital s space capital X that [TS]

  there was for like 15 minutes that was [TS]

  going to be what they called forget it [TS]

  was like that the shared operating [TS]

  system between the Macan and the phone [TS]

  is when they drop the iphone OS and [TS]

  they're like the iphone runs OS 10 [TS]

  remember that part of the presentation [TS]

  during the initial iphone yeah yeah they [TS]

  didn't say the iphone ran Mac os10 [TS]

  iphone runs OS 10 [TS]

  right and in the literature briefly in [TS]

  annapolis press releases there was a [TS]

  thing called capitulo capitalist space [TS]

  capital X that was not referring to the [TS]

  mac operating system later they were [TS]

  dreaming that card and operating system [TS]

  to that drop the mac and that didn't [TS]

  last very long i think it may be a [TS]

  miscommunication or they changed their [TS]

  mind about the branding but was an [TS]

  exciting day or two there it would be an [TS]

  amazing troll John Gruber if they switch [TS]

  to Roman numeral numbering for the [TS]

  iphones that would be no people people [TS]

  can handle roman numeral yeah well like [TS]

  when you do get up into the high numbers [TS]

  you do have to do something because the [TS]

  iphone 17 I don't know it just doesn't [TS]

  have the same ring to it but they're [TS]

  they're fine for a while to start using [TS]

  year's iPhone 95 know Microsoft has [TS]

  tainted that whole naming scheme forever [TS]

  yeah really it's not like there was a [TS]

  good idea when they had it it served [TS]

  them well but now everyone who uses it [TS]

  is associated with like [TS]

  is associated with like [TS]

  windows operating system and office and [TS]

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  these for these fracture prints look [TS]

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  try to try to buy exactly the right size [TS]

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  Apple almost bought time warner whatever [TS]

  that or maybe anything according to this [TS]

  rumor story i like the fact that [TS]

  involves any cute because now i have [TS]

  said well not really new image of them [TS]

  but reinforcements of old image from [TS]

  that uh that cover story when he was at [TS]

  the basketball game just do that [TS]

  mmm video of him yelling as excitement [TS]

  is favorite players face anyway [TS]

  according to this rumor from the [TS]

  Financial Times DQ is all we should buy [TS]

  Time Warner what you guys think [TS]

  and that didn't really go anywhere and [TS]

  Apple didn't buy Time Warner but the [TS]

  fact that it was floated as an idea and [TS]

  was vaguely resulted in meetings [TS]

  according to this and and that there was [TS]

  a thing that might be considered kind of [TS]

  blends into the we talked about it a [TS]

  couple weeks ago we're talking about [TS]

  Jason L story about Apple should do [TS]

  something like Netflix and sponsor its [TS]

  own content that type of stuff Apple [TS]

  getting into the creative content [TS]

  business as not as a middleman not as a [TS]

  distributor not as a store but as a [TS]

  creator of original content or at least [TS]

  under original content think that idea [TS]

  still has legs and I just think Apple [TS]

  hasn't quite figured out what to do [TS]

  about it which is good there you know [TS]

  considering all ideas and not quite sure [TS]

  like it's bad to jump in with that time [TS]

  warner itself is such a weird history as [TS]

  a not a great to like there's not not [TS]

  good precedent therefore the AOL time [TS]

  warner merger which was kind of a [TS]

  disaster and i know that wants to get on [TS]

  that I'm not the right company by they [TS]

  have HBO now and everything right so you [TS]

  can kind of see where there's some value [TS]

  there but on the other hand netflix or [TS]

  have gone on it's on it's own apple [TS]

  goodbye netflix like so many things you [TS]

  can do when you have so much money piled [TS]

  up and maybe that's part of it was like [TS]

  money burning a hole in their pocket [TS]

  they're trying to get back to [TS]

  shareholders they're trying to buy back [TS]

  their own stock they're doing all sorts [TS]

  of things to try to try to make this [TS]

  pile of money not quite increases the [TS]

  same right I think that kind of leveled [TS]

  off a little bit the rate of increase [TS]

  but it's just so much money and if [TS]

  they're not going to buy google which [TS]

  they probably shouldn't really and [TS]

  they're not going to by Nintendo and [TS]

  apparently they're not going to bite [TS]

  you finally we're never gonna talk about [TS]

  that no buying some company that owns [TS]

  the rights to a bunch of television [TS]

  shows and has an existing system made to [TS]

  create original content [TS]

  it's not the worst idea in the world so [TS]

  even though it didn't go anywhere [TS]

  assuming this room story is true i like [TS]

  the idea that this is what Apple's [TS]

  considering doing with its money instead [TS]

  of say i don't know i'm actually more [TS]

  enthused about this about then the idea [TS]

  of making a car for instance on the [TS]

  other hand this was too bad for even AOL [TS]

  to hold onto wasn't too bad for AOL or [TS]

  was i well too bad for time warner that [TS]

  was just a good point it could be there [TS]

  i guess I forgot but now I mean that you [TS]

  know in the world of you know in the [TS]

  areas in which Apple competes now things [TS]

  like that you know things that include [TS]

  online media services and possibly [TS]

  tv-related things in the appletv me with [TS]

  people like Amazon playing hardball [TS]

  which we can get to but there's much to [TS]

  discuss having good original content is [TS]

  important it is strategically important [TS]

  it is important for sales of your stuff [TS]

  and your device's it is important for [TS]

  potential subscription services that [TS]

  Apple might want to launch with things [TS]

  like TV service or you know like a [TS]

  necklace kind of service so it totally [TS]

  makes sense why this is a plausible [TS]

  story and why it might make sense for [TS]

  apple or do something like this so you [TS]

  know this is the kind of thing I mean [TS]

  you know Apple is such a big company now [TS]

  if you look at what other companies this [TS]

  size do there's a lot of like big [TS]

  acquisitions and stuff for strategic [TS]

  reasons like that's totally normal i [TS]

  know apple doesn't work just like other [TS]

  big companies but you know there's gonna [TS]

  be some similarities there and we're in [TS]

  a big business world all this media [TS]

  stuff we know we're in wherein x where [TS]

  lots of monies being thrown around for [TS]

  very important things and and a lot of [TS]

  power shifting going on a lot of [TS]

  high-stakes going on stuff this is gonna [TS]

  happen and it makes sense and most of it [TS]

  is going to be really boring for us to [TS]

  talk about or to think too much about it [TS]

  but you know this is this is the one [TS]

  with analysis were in the big leagues [TS]

  and we're in big company dealings apple [TS]

  is no longer the scrappy underdog I [TS]

  worry a little bit about [TS]

  the size of acquisitions like I liked it [TS]

  better when Apple is buying smaller [TS]

  companies especially when it comes to [TS]

  something that can really change the [TS]

  character of the company as much as [TS]

  getting into the content business i like [TS]

  the idea of Apple getting into the [TS]

  content business as just one aspect of [TS]

  its ongoing strategy of selling digital [TS]

  television movies you know all that kind [TS]

  of stuff if you make a big acquisition [TS]

  with the company that it's not as big [TS]

  example but is actually really big how [TS]

  do you incorporate that those assets all [TS]

  that intellectual property all those [TS]

  employees all those existing deals how [TS]

  do you incorporate into that into Apple [TS]

  without it significantly changing the [TS]

  character of the company so that's why i [TS]

  would say i would prefer smaller more [TS]

  strategic purchases so for example of [TS]

  Apple could just by HBO and the things [TS]

  HBO on right instead of all time warner [TS]

  or even just by Netflix because I think [TS]

  they're the sizes of their business and [TS]

  their entanglement is not Christ better [TS]

  hey about to go out too late for that [TS]

  those type of acquisitions I feel like [TS]

  don't threaten don't threaten the [TS]

  character of apple won't distract apple [TS]

  from the important things is already [TS]

  doing within in a distance as well as a [TS]

  lot of competition but we'll give it [TS]

  table stakes to be part of the [TS]

  competition for you know TV set-top [TS]

  boxes and having a value proposition why [TS]

  should you buy our puck thing well we [TS]

  have original content and that's why you [TS]

  should do this and and it all this as [TS]

  we've said many times in the best get [TS]

  into the whole conflict-of-interest [TS]

  where you know you sell a pop-up box [TS]

  that lets me use the netflix app but [TS]

  you're also competing with Netflix [TS]

  because you have your own subscription [TS]

  video service and you have your own [TS]

  original content how does that work [TS]

  that's I think you know that's [TS]

  unavoidable this point the same way that [TS]

  apple sells apps in the App Store but [TS]

  also sells your apps in the App Store [TS]

  and sometimes apples apps are free or [TS]

  cheaper than yours can be and have you [TS]

  know to the point where you know Apple [TS]

  is funding the development of its iwork [TS]

  suite with all the rest of the money its [TS]

  makes if you're going to try to compete [TS]

  with them you're not gonna be out you're [TS]

  not doing it on a level playing field [TS]

  but somehow everyone lives with the idea [TS]

  that Apple sell software through its own [TS]

  app store and also lives with the idea [TS]

  that apple doesn't always have to follow [TS]

  its own rules and all these other things [TS]

  and we get along and it's not like [TS]

  everyone leaves and a half it's harder [TS]

  to do [TS]

  music and movies and TV because there [TS]

  are fewer players in their bigger and [TS]

  are crankier but i think apple can [TS]

  navigate that again especially since [TS]

  everybody's doing it these days like [TS]

  it's just going to be expected at some [TS]

  point and it also makes sense in light [TS]

  of apples apparent inability to cut a [TS]

  reasonable deal for subscription video [TS]

  service which we know they wanted to do [TS]

  for a long time that they want to launch [TS]

  it with the apple TV and just couldn't [TS]

  and didn't [TS]

  this is another angle well if we can't [TS]

  figure out how we can license your [TS]

  content and compete with cable or [TS]

  whatever will go to bootstrap netflix [TS]

  route and say will still sell the people [TS]

  stuff but we're going to find on [TS]

  original content and really in the grand [TS]

  scheme of things funding your original [TS]

  content couple hundred million dollars [TS]

  here and there for a couple TV shows and [TS]

  movies or two [TS]

  its peanuts for Apple they probably [TS]

  spend that much money [TS]

  like I don't want to speculate about [TS]

  what the budgets are out because I would [TS]

  probably be way off base but in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things for company with [TS]

  hundreds of billions of dollars in the [TS]

  bank is nothing and the potential upside [TS]

  is huge so yeah i'm i'm all for [TS]

  something happening here i am [TS]

  disappointed that this is just a rumor [TS]

  that it was considered a nothing [TS]

  happened i'm disappointed there still is [TS]

  no TV subscription service but I'm [TS]

  heartened to hear that ideas like this [TS]

  are floating around even if they do come [TS]

  from medic you because content is king [TS]

  here you know it in so many ways [TS]

  look at what people will tolerate in [TS]

  terms of bad devices bad apps bad [TS]

  services incredible expense in order to [TS]

  get specific content they're looking for [TS]

  you know that the entire world of TV [TS]

  cable video movies this is like [TS]

  everything is you can just dictated by [TS]

  like must have content and people are [TS]

  willing to do crazy stuff like have [TS]

  cable TV which if you think about it is [TS]

  incredibly hostile and terrible in so [TS]

  many different ways but people are [TS]

  willing to do it for specific content [TS]

  they get their people willing to you [TS]

  know even even within the realm of like [TS]

  iOS and apple TV and stuff people are [TS]

  going to use horrible apps from other [TS]

  companies in order to get must have [TS]

  content people want to pay big money [TS]

  look how many people pay for HBO ivory i [TS]

  just described it will check [TS]

  version of Bigfoot doesn't require the [TS]

  cable subscription whether it's an hour [TS]

  ago i forgot one of those we just we [TS]

  subscribe to that now the app is [TS]

  horrible and we're paying fifty dollars [TS]

  a month i haven't paid a monthly fee for [TS]

  television shows in almost 10 years and [TS]

  now we're paying for this and using [TS]

  their crappy app because they their [TS]

  stuff on there we really want to watch [TS]

  people are willing to make decisions [TS]

  like that people are willing to to use [TS]

  inferior apps to pay decent prices to to [TS]

  change entire platform to not use entire [TS]

  platforms like Apple TV or whatever [TS]

  because of certain content they get [TS]

  other places so it's very very important [TS]

  for Apple to to play in that world it [TS]

  you know if if the if its content that's [TS]

  keeping people away from apple stuff or [TS]

  that is not that that is that is making [TS]

  it less of a good proposition for people [TS]

  or the making of course experience [TS]

  people to go use other things apple has [TS]

  to get into the content business so it [TS]

  till it makes total sense here that [TS]

  Eddie go ahead and buy whatever [TS]

  companies you want you have our blessing [TS]

  we say it's okay well you just run past [TS]

  me first think of a thumbs-up [TS]

  thumbs-down obviously didn't stop [TS]

  yeah but beyond that yeah alright go [TS]

  ahead Eddie have fun and if anything [TS]

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  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

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  yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

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  Syracuse [TS]

  what [TS]

  something big happened this past week [TS]

  something happened this past week season [TS]

  or Series 23 of top here started in [TS]

  aired and began at cetera the new top [TS]

  gear without our dear friends Clarkson [TS]

  Hammond and may all three of us have [TS]

  watched it and watch the whole thing I [TS]

  don't really watch the beginning didn't [TS]

  have time to watch the show you what you [TS]

  wanted what was supposed to watch i go [TS]

  to work come home and make dinner for [TS]

  the kids the better do this the worst [TS]

  well I'm Tony spoiler city now you said [TS]

  in them you said in the middle of the [TS]

  day when i'm at work you said we should [TS]

  all watch top gear for today don't know [TS]

  what the day what time did you think I [TS]

  was supposed to watch this [TS]

  after you got home from work let's see [TS]

  what time the middle of the day was 657 [TS]

  in the morning [TS]

  657 in the morning i'd like to discuss [TS]

  the new top gear on the post-show so [TS]

  Marco if you haven't watched please do [TS]

  so today [TS]

  Marco did you do your homework I did [TS]

  he's unemployed [TS]

  well there's that but we're also not [TS]

  allowed to give you homework because [TS]

  that's what the theme song says yeah [TS]

  anyway I would have watched the rest of [TS]

  it if I had time but I didn't know so [TS]

  how far did you get [TS]

  I got through the first segment I feel [TS]

  like that was enough i'm gonna watch the [TS]

  rest of it be fair that's most of all [TS]

  you need [TS]

  so spoiler horn we will be a sounding [TS]

  warning whatever the word is looking for [TS]

  we have the right to you the spoiler or [TS]

  I don't even know if you can use the [TS]

  spoiler dog that's all in the family [TS]

  ok so the spoiler spoiler dog has just [TS]

  gone off let I think this that the new [TS]

  the new Top Gear's i'll call it shows a [TS]

  lot of promise i really really honestly [TS]

  do really and and if you remember you [TS]

  should and this is collective you not [TS]

  you Marco not you John just anyone you [TS]

  if you really want to see a rough car [TS]

  show [TS]

  go watch seasons one and two of the top [TS]

  gear that had Clarkson Hammond and may [TS]

  because they were borderline unwatchable [TS]

  they were so bad or the american top [TS]

  gear the american top gear particularly [TS]

  in the beginning was unwatchable [TS]

  I actually don't think it's bad but I'm [TS]

  I mean teach their own a as we've [TS]

  already established i'm not the arbiter [TS]

  of what's good and bad haha but yeah let [TS]

  me like the first season of top the top [TS]

  gear that we know didn't even have James [TS]

  May had Jason dollars i believe who did [TS]

  like a used car segment on every show or [TS]

  something like that I haven't seen it in [TS]

  many many years but it was bad at the [TS]

  studio audience had like 50 people in it [TS]

  or something like that because it seemed [TS]

  like nobody could be bothered with going [TS]

  to the set to fail to you know be part [TS]

  of the filming it was rough [TS]

  this show season 23 episode 1 similarly [TS]

  rough chris evans i was expecting to [TS]

  love him because I'd heard just tons of [TS]

  chatter about how much of a car guy he [TS]

  is a gearhead if you're American petrol [TS]

  head if you're not I was excited to see [TS]

  him he seemed like you really love the [TS]

  brand the brand seemed like he really [TS]

  loved the opportunity i hated Christmas [TS]

  so much oh my god did you like a Marco I [TS]

  i'm trying to think of what i liked [TS]

  about this about the show or joke about [TS]

  chris evans because I was just I was [TS]

  just concentrating chris evans at the [TS]

  moment I know the answer is no they what [TS]

  you're looking for is no yes yes I i [TS]

  love Clarkson like he Clarkson is [TS]

  bombastic and loud and obnoxious and [TS]

  ridiculous but chris evans was just like [TS]

  loud for the sake of loud i did not get [TS]

  it and I did not care for it now [TS]

  John what did you think of course Evans [TS]

  I've never seen him before to my [TS]

  knowledge we were watching the show he [TS]

  struck me as an overexcited poor man [TS]

  simon pegg and didn't give me what i was [TS]

  looking for i'm looking for different [TS]

  things and then you are certainly from [TS]

  from top here again first show there's [TS]

  always gonna be first jitters first [TS]

  segment of our show [TS]

  I give a lot of leeway I didn't get the [TS]

  impression i I'm sure this is the case [TS]

  but it wasn't communicated to me his [TS]

  enthusiasm for cars in general like [TS]

  enthusiasm was communicated but it [TS]

  seemed like non genuine enthusiasm not [TS]

  particularly focused on cars and I guess [TS]

  like it's kind of rough comparing the [TS]

  old top gear all the hosts were had [TS]

  mellowed into their roles and could [TS]

  relax and just kind of [TS]

  be themselves and had sort of establish [TS]

  that personality the old ones had sort [TS]

  of the the gene hackman school of acting [TS]

  as a injury so it didn't happen once [TS]

  where someone's asking about his acting [TS]

  technique and he says you if you're [TS]

  acting for a long enough time and you're [TS]

  in enough movies near enough things you [TS]

  develop a certain poised based on your [TS]

  years of experience and you pretty much [TS]

  know how things are going to go down and [TS]

  people interpret that poisons good [TS]

  acting as the host of the show they've [TS]

  been doing it long enough they can know [TS]

  what their sticks are and they do them [TS]

  to relax man on matter and you become [TS]

  comfortable with it and is it the case [TS]

  that the previous hosts were actually [TS]

  Whittier and more insightful about cars [TS]

  and these new ones [TS]

  maybe but definitely they were more [TS]

  relaxed and more assured in there sort [TS]

  of roles and personalities when it comes [TS]

  to their positions on these cars on our [TS]

  end in general as you don't know i don't [TS]

  like this silly stunt things they do [TS]

  with cars [TS]

  I like the part where they pretend to [TS]

  review cars like as seriously as the [TS]

  show possibly can [TS]

  that's what I like that of the show then [TS]

  I tolerate the parts where they play [TS]

  with the giant soccer ball with a bunch [TS]

  of small cars like I tolerate those [TS]

  barely so the first segment being a [TS]

  combination of let's review the viper [TS]

  ACR and let's also do some silly thing [TS]

  with Top Gun I didn't like my [TS]

  combination like any of the segments and [TS]

  chris evans just seemed overexcited [TS]

  about nothing the only party came away [TS]

  from the first segment liking was the [TS]

  fact that the jet fighter pilot got sick [TS]

  in the car [TS]

  yeah yeah and Sabine is excellent like [TS]

  she was relatively route relatively [TS]

  reserved I thought on this episode I was [TS]

  disappointed that she got like three [TS]

  minutes of airtime but I'm super super [TS]

  excited to see more of her cuz i've [TS]

  enjoyed anytime she appeared on old top [TS]

  gear if you well I thought the segment [TS]

  was fairly cheesy i agree but I was [TS]

  happy that they started with something [TS]

  American which was surprising you would [TS]

  figure they would just triple down on [TS]

  all things British and then matt LeBlanc [TS]

  came out and matt LeBlanc had also been [TS]

  rumored to be a huge gearhead petrol [TS]

  head and I wasn't sure what to make of [TS]

  him [TS]

  and I actually really liked him and I [TS]

  can't figure out if it's because I'm [TS]

  American and I'm just predisposed to [TS]

  like other Americans on the show but i [TS]

  really liked him I thought he did a [TS]

  great job and and he was far and away my [TS]

  favorite host of the basically three [TS]

  that they showed some being Chris and [TS]

  Matt and I can't hit Chris Evans all the [TS]

  other thing i noticed i actually jumped [TS]

  ahead the lap times that they used for [TS]

  the supercars he actually rewrote all of [TS]

  Clarkson's little stickies or whatever [TS]

  in hint chris evans his hand which i [TS]

  thought was kind of funny and i also [TS]

  thought the jabs at clarkson hamden may [TS]

  like they did make me giggle but i don't [TS]

  i don't know i just didn't think it was [TS]

  really necessary like I feel what he [TS]

  said but something like oh we don't talk [TS]

  about catering on this show anymore haha [TS]

  yeah I find most of that pretty [TS]

  cringe-worthy I feel like you do have to [TS]

  acknowledge it like if you say nothing [TS]

  it will seem weird but you have to do [TS]

  it's a tough line to walk with you want [TS]

  to do it in a way that is funny but also [TS]

  respectful but also acknowledges that i [TS]

  know that you know that I know that this [TS]

  is weird and they didn't pull that off [TS]

  I completely agree well set so yes matt [TS]

  LeBlanc i really liked this segment with [TS]

  the two of them the Reliant Robin like [TS]

  it was ostensibly us vs Britain but [TS]

  they're into British cars like it just [TS]

  served no point to me and that I didn't [TS]

  care for at all but everything took a [TS]

  terrible terrible terrible turn when it [TS]

  was time for the gas [TS]

  this was the most ridiculous [TS]

  cringe-worthy terrible interview I've [TS]

  seen on top here so the premise was they [TS]

  were having like a competition between [TS]

  Gordon Ramsay and just see something [TS]

  rather the dude who played Zuckerberg on [TS]

  the social network and they were like as [TS]

  a partner [TS]

  thank you they were talking about like [TS]

  oh who had the best first car and who [TS]

  had like the best current car and it i [TS]

  just thought it was terrible that sounds [TS]

  like I haven't I haven't seen the [TS]

  segment but that sounds like a good [TS]

  premise for an interview like that [TS]

  wouldn't be fun to have celebrities on [TS]

  and have them compete over those type of [TS]

  car related things but i guess they [TS]

  didn't do it well no I think [TS]

  if the roles were reversed I would have [TS]

  said the same thing but having seen it i [TS]

  thought it was terrible what did you [TS]

  think Marco hmm where do i begin i mean [TS]

  so to be fair I i started watching this [TS]

  at 8pm or 745 so you have to fast [TS]

  forward so I had died i knew i was going [TS]

  to have to ask for the parts and this is [TS]

  fine because for all top year I would [TS]

  always fast forward through the British [TS]

  Liberty interview and the star the [TS]

  reasonably priced car segments because I [TS]

  they were just too slow for me always [TS]

  for those and usually didn't know the [TS]

  people so it was fine so i gave this [TS]

  show the same courtesy because I i [TS]

  started watching a little bit of it to [TS]

  give it a chance and it was so bad said [TS]

  just dragged on so poorly in general my [TS]

  one of my main complaints about about [TS]

  what I saw so far and you currently [TS]

  episode 11 my main complaints is that it [TS]

  seems like both the writing and the [TS]

  editing have gotten substantially worse [TS]

  and that was made very clear in every [TS]

  part of the show but especially in the [TS]

  in the interview where it's like it was [TS]

  clear that you know a lot of these [TS]

  things are scripted that they're saying [TS]

  they're trying to to make it seem like [TS]

  it's not scripted it kind of float in [TS]

  many ways [TS]

  similarly to the the Tim Cook bono skit [TS]

  before the finger-touch where it's like [TS]

  it's so painfully obvious that its [TS]

  scripted and they're trying so hard to [TS]

  make it seem like it's not and doing a [TS]

  really poor job of it that's how a lot [TS]

  of this felt to me the interview the [TS]

  it's the the challenge in quotes [TS]

  whatever challenges were going on and in [TS]

  reality it all just seemed like it was [TS]

  really forced it seemed like everybody [TS]

  was reading badly written cue cards and [TS]

  having trouble seeing them i mean it was [TS]

  it was so rough in so many ways and it [TS]

  is the fundamental problem i have with [TS]

  this is that they they walked right into [TS]

  the shoes of a show where the show has [TS]

  really moved beyond its initial premise [TS]

  of [TS]

  basically like a boring BBC show about [TS]

  cars [TS]

  you know I it moved beyond that into [TS]

  these three particular people who had [TS]

  great chemistry great personalities who [TS]

  had years to develop into these into [TS]

  this chemistry and these personalities [TS]

  and and into the show and the show that [TS]

  was really about them and and about [TS]

  their their chemistry together the [TS]

  things they did together then being [TS]

  funny together being you know making fun [TS]

  of each other and doing things together [TS]

  it was really all about them it wasn't [TS]

  really about the cars [TS]

  sorry John it and so it isn't taken that [TS]

  remove them and then they tried to just [TS]

  keep it going in the same way with a [TS]

  completely different cast and and some [TS]

  minor variation on the formula but not [TS]

  much variation and I just don't see that [TS]

  working because what you have now is all [TS]

  these people who don't who clearly have [TS]

  no previous experience with each other [TS]

  or there's not enough to matter i'm [TS]

  trying to take a role of a show that [TS]

  depends so heavily on chemistry and our [TS]

  long-established personalities i just [TS]

  don't see how it's going to work and and [TS]

  it doesn't I mean I hopefully the show [TS]

  will develop over time into something [TS]

  people care about but the way it is now [TS]

  I don't see that happening because i [TS]

  think what what took it from that old [TS]

  boring british car show and turn it into [TS]

  the worldwide phenomenon that it was was [TS]

  that it went beyond just talking about [TS]

  the cars and doing you know skits with [TS]

  cars and it went into something that was [TS]

  way more mass appeal and could appeal to [TS]

  people who only like whores a little bit [TS]

  or did barely even care about cars at [TS]

  all but we're just entertained by the [TS]

  show the new show doesn't do that it the [TS]

  new show is it kind of reminds me it or [TS]

  it has shown me how little I care about [TS]

  cars because I had I had no interest in [TS]

  almost anything they did why realize [TS]

  what I was actually watching for all [TS]

  this time was the cast the end not this [TS]

  cast now to maybe over time you know as [TS]

  they're trying [TS]

  too hard to be old top gear you know [TS]

  there have been there been other things [TS]

  in the past that have started off this [TS]

  poorly i have gotten better i think the [TS]

  the most direct clear example of this is [TS]

  the US version of the office where the [TS]

  the first couple episodes were like [TS]

  direct clones of the british office show [TS]

  with a whole different cast and trying [TS]

  to be that and they were terrible [TS]

  they were just so bad and eventually you [TS]

  know maybe like one or two seasons in [TS]

  the show kind of grew into its own and [TS]

  became its own thing because it stopped [TS]

  trying to be the old show and it became [TS]

  its own thing and it ended up becoming [TS]

  what I think one of the best shows [TS]

  that's ever been on TV and so this I [TS]

  hope this does that I I don't have [TS]

  incredibly high hopes that it will based [TS]

  on what I've seen so far but I hope it [TS]

  does because it just so much of it just [TS]

  didn't work for me at all I mean it just [TS]

  seemed so forced so badly acted badly [TS]

  edited badly written badly conceived the [TS]

  end it's like you have this massive [TS]

  budget and not enough talent to use it [TS]

  right this is only episode 10 I mean [TS]

  like Casey said if you're gonna think of [TS]

  an example to show started off bad [TS]

  episode 1 according to casey top gear [TS]

  did like always ride i give them to give [TS]

  them some time to settle and although i [TS]

  wish i hadn't read the stories are skim [TS]

  the stories about like who's shooting [TS]

  with you on the show because it seemed [TS]

  to me that from the from the first shot [TS]

  that matt LeBlanc does not like the the [TS]

  fake simon pegg I don't know those are [TS]

  the two people who were supposed to be [TS]

  feuding they were I believe but that's [TS]

  but that's not a good that's not a good [TS]

  start for you know your show is going to [TS]

  be based on the chemistry and [TS]

  camaraderie [TS]

  whatever you say about the the badly [TS]

  behaved slightly eccentric and [TS]

  all-around strange old host of top gear [TS]

  they seem to all pretty much get along [TS]

  with each other as evidence from the [TS]

  fact they had some amount of solidarity [TS]

  to sort of stick to their jerky face [TS]

  punching nonstick either guy when he got [TS]

  kicked off the show like so I think they [TS]

  all get along with each other at least [TS]

  in the working relationship [TS]

  and that came through on the show that [TS]

  they mostly enjoyed being together in [TS]

  doing the show together and I think you [TS]

  need that if the show is going to be [TS]

  based on chemistry you need that and [TS]

  even though the show is not about the [TS]

  cars in terms like a gearhead type [TS]

  things where they're going to tell you [TS]

  about tech specs and and go into the [TS]

  nitty-gritty of the testing and stuff i [TS]

  think everyone on that show had an [TS]

  enthusiasm for cars that came through in [TS]

  the cars that they reviewed like each [TS]

  person would would review a particular [TS]

  car and they would do the voiceovers and [TS]

  I assuming they had a lot of influence [TS]

  on how the segment was put together and [TS]

  structured and that came through in the [TS]

  reviews it's not like I read car [TS]

  magazines for the more in-depth reviews [TS]

  and stuff it's not like that's what I'm [TS]

  looking for looking for basically the [TS]

  same reason we like a columnist or [TS]

  whatever like three individual people's [TS]

  personalities that come to know talking [TS]

  about cars that they have interesting [TS]

  things to say about that they're [TS]

  interested in whether they like them or [TS]

  not or their into them or they're not [TS]

  into them they always had an interesting [TS]

  angle on the cars and I felt like the [TS]

  segments were put together well edited [TS]

  well and it's sort of like it was like a [TS]

  coherent vision of it you know that [TS]

  James May review is very different from [TS]

  jeremy clarkson review and and all the [TS]

  different cars were different user [TS]

  different from each other and that's [TS]

  what I enjoyed the show and I mean we [TS]

  got into well I don't have a gun to the [TS]

  car you saying was that easy our thing [TS]

  it about you finish the episode is there [TS]

  anything more in there for me [TS]

  not really well anyway episode 1i give [TS]

  them lots of Lee by in the meantime i [TS]

  will try out the whatever whatever the [TS]

  hell is called the Amazon think those [TS]

  guys are doing a lot unfortunately grant [TS]

  or if they're not reviewing cars at all [TS]

  maybe i'll be not too excited about that [TS]

  either [TS]

  yeah i think that Marco really took the [TS]

  words right out of my mouth that when [TS]

  they the the rare occasions when they [TS]

  didn't try to just follow the exact [TS]

  formula i thought it actually went [TS]

  reasonably well the starter reasonably [TS]

  priced car is now starting rallycross [TS]

  car i think they called it so it was [TS]

  like a rally mini and part of the track [TS]

  for the purpose of the stars is an [TS]

  off-road segment which at first I was [TS]

  like really and then actually I was like [TS]

  I I've watched a little more thought you [TS]

  know this is pretty good [TS]

  hey they're trying something different [TS]

  there there there trying some new I'm [TS]

  okay with this i thought the US vs UK [TS]

  segments with matt [TS]

  and then Chris after the starter [TS]

  recently reasonably-priced cars once [TS]

  they got into the the Willys Jeep and [TS]

  the and the Range Rover Land Rover Land [TS]

  Cruiser i always get it wrong i'm sorry [TS]

  it the it's all a mash mash up in my [TS]

  head doesn't matter it's only a British [TS]

  thing right whatever the only British [TS]

  car they never matter yet never all its [TS]

  complicated something out so much email [TS]

  about this because i know they were like [TS]

  the most popular offer cartoon world we [TS]

  know etcetera block the point is all the [TS]

  people in British cars don't listen is [TS]

  there they're busy fixing their cars [TS]

  shots fired in any case that segment I [TS]

  actually enjoyed I thought that was that [TS]

  was really good I thought Matt segment [TS]

  on the air on the offroad Ariel Ariel [TS]

  Atom I thought that was really good [TS]

  the things that bothered me the most [TS]

  about those two segments were exactly [TS]

  what Marcus said earlier that even [TS]

  though if you really look closely at all [TS]

  top gear you could tell it was scripted [TS]

  and maybe for some people who didn't [TS]

  even have to a close but for me I I was [TS]

  so caught up in the entertainment of it [TS]

  I didn't really think about it and then [TS]

  you look closely and you realize oh wow [TS]

  this is totally scripted it was so [TS]

  obvious here how scripted it was and [TS]

  where it was completely clear that it [TS]

  was that they were trying to follow the [TS]

  script it just made it rough but all [TS]

  that said I do think the host with the [TS]

  exception of persons chris evans have a [TS]

  lot of promise i'm hoping Chris Evans [TS]

  gets his act together and lives up to [TS]

  the expectation I had because he is so [TS]

  well regarded as a radio host and that's [TS]

  the other thing the other reason I hated [TS]

  the interview because he's interviewing [TS]

  people on the radio for decades and yet [TS]

  it was such a rough interview but anyway [TS]

  I do think it shows a lot of promise I [TS]

  thought the cinematography was still [TS]

  really really really good [TS]

  maybe i'm easily amused but I thought [TS]

  that was still completely up to snuff [TS]

  and I really feel like if we give them [TS]

  time this will end up ok the other thing [TS]

  I should point out is that they did [TS]

  another show called extra gear which is [TS]

  kind of like a behind-the-scenes thing [TS]

  that's only about half an hour if this [TS]

  was curious I didn't see this yet but [TS]

  I've been so i'd i'd really prefer not [TS]

  to have spoilers if you don't mind but I [TS]

  have heard it was very very good and [TS]

  chris harris who was one of the hosts of [TS]

  that [TS]

  at least this episode of extra gear i [TS]

  really like because he had a youtube [TS]

  series for a long time a couple youtube [TS]

  series is that were excellent and so I'm [TS]

  really looking forward to seeing Chris [TS]

  Harris on top gear without spoiling it [TS]

  was extra gear good i take it you have [TS]

  the time to watch it Marco so I i had to [TS]

  do a lot of skipping through because I [TS]

  was trying to fit in before the show so [TS]

  I did I had a lot of skipping but i will [TS]

  say that i had a way higher TIFF and I [TS]

  both had had similarly low opinions of [TS]

  of the main show and we both had [TS]

  similarly promising opinions of extra [TS]

  gear where extra gear is a different [TS]

  cast almost entirely it's it's Sabine [TS]

  Schmitz the it's it's just the guys name [TS]

  Matt Chris Harrison area that show was I [TS]

  think substantially more promising it [TS]

  was kind of like after dark [TS]

  behind-the-scenes kind of thing but they [TS]

  also did like some original bits here [TS]

  are some original things here and there [TS]

  it's it's clearly a way lower budget [TS]

  thing and you this is clearly like the [TS]

  b-team in like celebrity rankings i [TS]

  guess like that whatever politics let [TS]

  them choosing these weird people for the [TS]

  main show but to me that has a way [TS]

  better chance of developing into [TS]

  something good [TS]

  the main show does because those hosts [TS]

  are not only I thought substantially [TS]

  better and their enthusiasm for cars is [TS]

  more obvious and clear and and his is a [TS]

  better integrated into the show but [TS]

  they're doing like less goofy crap [TS]

  because it there there the role of that [TS]

  show is not to have like a fighter jet [TS]

  fly around it's like all the goofy crap [TS]

  the main show did extra gear didn't and [TS]

  it was people it was it was what you [TS]

  want the main show to be in many ways [TS]

  which is three people who are very [TS]

  passionate about cars who know a lot [TS]

  about it and can talk that talk well [TS]

  about them in a in a seemingly less [TS]

  scripted way or unscripted way compared [TS]

  to the main show so honestly I think [TS]

  that I think extra gear is the better [TS]

  show and [TS]

  when you see extra gear it kind of makes [TS]

  you wonder why they didn't just make [TS]

  these people the host of the main show [TS]

  that's too bad i mean i'm excited to [TS]

  watch it even more so now but that's too [TS]

  bad that's the way the hosting the cash [TS]

  you know kind of played out [TS]

  so did you like Matt LeBlanc are not [TS]

  really honestly no I I really didn't [TS]

  like him or chris evans yeah I'd like [TS]

  either of them and I I you know I mean I [TS]

  saw his hotmail bonking friends I have [TS]

  really father's work since then but I [TS]

  really you know I had a fairly neutral [TS]

  opinion going in I never never saw the [TS]

  other guy but I thought both of them [TS]

  were pretty painful [TS]

  honestly it was it was hard to watch it [TS]

  was very hard to watch because i thought [TS]

  they were both so they were both doing [TS]

  such a mediocre job reading you know [TS]

  doing things and and reading things that [TS]

  were you know written in mediocrity hand [TS]

  and it just it was not my position on [TS]

  the show is now I'm just gonna let you [TS]

  keep watching it and you tell me what a [TS]

  good because I am I have zero interest [TS]

  in seeing any more episodes of the show [TS]

  until everyone else decided that this [TS]

  has become good we'll see how it goes [TS]

  i'm i'm curious to see I am I am hopeful [TS]

  I'm excited that that we have two shows [TS]

  to watch their was fifth gear back in [TS]

  the day that actually just got canceled [TS]

  which i used to watch when I could and [TS]

  it was a much more serious motoring show [TS]

  so might have been much more up jonn's [TS]

  alley but it was never quite the same as [TS]

  top gear was always kind of an also-ran [TS]

  I'm hopeful that even hopefully the [TS]

  grand tour of the new top gear if you [TS]

  will with with the original three hosts [TS]

  i'm hopeful that's really good i'm [TS]

  hopeful that Amazon treat it right and [TS]

  I'm also hopeful that they get their [TS]

  their act together on the the actual new [TS]

  topic that we spent all this time [TS]

  discussing because i really do think [TS]

  there's promise there but man wore it [TS]

  was rough this first one we'll see i [TS]

  think there's a reason why we've seen [TS]

  all these different spin-offs and clones [TS]

  and everything of the show and none of [TS]

  them have taken off there's a reason for [TS]

  that and what we have now is basically [TS]

  just another top year clone or spin-off [TS]

  I don't think it's going to go very far [TS]

  I think it will probably be cancelled [TS]

  within maybe three to five years at most [TS]

  and I think you know whatever Clarkson [TS]

  and may and Hammond do is going to be [TS]

  what we are mostly paying attention to [TS]

  but we will see [TS]

  yeah but I'm hopeful i mean i agree with [TS]

  with nearly everything you said but I am [TS]

  hopeful and John you should watch the [TS]

  rest of the episode never be spoiled it [TS]

  just so you can see and then decide [TS]

  which one to whether we are trying to [TS]

  shine a turd or if it's actually really [TS]

  just a diamond in the rough [TS]

  i will enter the extra gear Spain word [TS]

  is that on after it like when it is one [TS]

  of that supposed to be there is that [TS]

  web-only or something [TS]

  now you believe was on after I think you [TS]

  can get it on BBC america or if you have [TS]

  a friend that might have acquired it you [TS]

  might be able to get it off of his flex [TS]

  or technology perhaps possibly maybe [TS]

  it's right next to the main show on [TS]

  Casey's flexor verge on it that's it [TS]

  that's how I might have seen it so they [TS]

  are they airing them and I get BBC [TS]

  america they airing them in real time [TS]

  are easy America not real time I think [TS]

  it was a Monday that they aired on BBC [TS]

  america because the show airs on sunday [TS]

  evenings on the actual person but it's [TS]

  not delayed by like a week or anything [TS]

  it's like a day off [TS]

  that's correct and for Lisa was this [TS]

  week and I don't know how much time was [TS]

  allotted to it on BBC america the term [TS]

  is saying that it will be consistently [TS]

  on Monday nights on BBC america but i'm [TS]

  not sure i'm not sure if they're going [TS]

  to do the thing that they used to do [TS]

  where they cut it down and add [TS]

  commercial that so the runtime is [TS]

  actually an hour on the BBC honestly [TS]

  that would be doing a favor [TS]

  what happened potentially but yeah so [TS]

  they used to cut out scenes and also [TS]

  change the music which that was another [TS]

  thing i meant to bring up the music i [TS]

  didn't notice any of the music on that [TS]

  episode which is peculiar because [TS]

  usually the music on top gear is at [TS]

  salons and friend of mine put the guy [TS]

  who got me into top here actually said [TS]

  to me that he had he doesn't think they [TS]

  actually licensed and license any actual [TS]

  songs like like popular songs to use on [TS]

  the episode they just found like the the [TS]

  aural equivalent of stock photography in [TS]

  order to fill out the episode novelist i [TS]

  watch back since he said that i might be [TS]

  wrong he might be wrong but on the i'm [TS]

  curious to see whether not that's true [TS]

  in any way I bring that up because of [TS]

  the BBC america version they didn't have [TS]

  a look at the rights to all the songs [TS]

  for anywhere with the UK so changing the [TS]

  music and would be crappier they would [TS]

  cut it down from an hour to 42 minutes [TS]

  because commercials and it was just [TS]

  terrible additions and I don't know if [TS]

  that's going to be the case again for [TS]

  for the new top gear and may or may not [TS]

  be all right I'm hopeful we'll see that [TS]

  makes one of us [TS]

  no no matter what you can satisfy your [TS]

  cravings for car related things by [TS]

  buying a t-shirt and quickly very [TS]

  quickly it but right now [TS]